The Scathing Atheist - 521: Accountability Edition

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

In this week’s episode, breakfast sullies its good name with national prayer, we learn about a fake treatment for autism that's dumber than ass bleach, and we’ll explore yet another of the abundance of dark recesses in David Icke’s brain. --- To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click there: https://www.amazon.com/Outbreak-Crisis-Religion-Ruined-Pandemic/dp/B08L2HSVS8/ To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show’s hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies To check out our half-sister show, Citation Needed, click here: http://citationpod.com/ To check out our sister show’s sister show, D and D minus, click here: https://danddminus.libsyn.com/ To hear more from our intrepid audio engineer Morgan Clarke, click here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/ --- Headlines: First rebranded version of the National Prayer Breakfast takes place: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1153705297/congress-takes-reins-of-prayer-breakfast-from-secretive-christian-evangelical-gr AOC ripped into MTG on Twitter about hypocrisy regarding antisemitic remarks: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/02/aoc-ripped-into-marjorie-taylor-greene-on-twitter-she-ended-it-with-a-laughing-emoji/ Satanists are opening an abortion clinic named after Samuel Alito's mom: https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/satanists-are-opening-an-abortion Less than 10% of anti-LGBTQ+ bills proposed in 2022 actually passed: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/02/less-than-10-of-anti-lgbtq-bills-proposed-in-2022-actually-passed/ Naturopaths 'not bound by science,' lawyer argues in hearing on fecal transplants for autism: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-naturopath-fecal-transplants-jason-klop-court-hearing-1.6504615 https://www.hopestandard.com/news/fraser-valley-naturopath-still-banned-from-selling-fecal-transplants-to-treat-autism/

So, we're obviously starting things off a little bit different this week. Because this week, I am too angry to wait through the intro and the sponsor and all that shit. And look, so right up front, I get that for most of you, this is just the noise that you listen to on the way to work. And you don't want to hear about the how the sausage gets made drama that goes on behind the scenes. I get that, right? But for some people, this show is a community. It's an alternative to the religious communities that they left, the church groups that disfellowshipped them, the friend groups that shunned them. And for some of us, it's even more than that. For some of us, it's a family. Instead of family reunions, we have live shows and

conventions, but it's a family nonetheless. Hell, it's better than a family because we mostly really like each other. Well, last week, the news broke that somebody hurt my family. What's worse, what's kept me up every night since is the fact that it's somebody I invited into the goddamn house. On Wednesday of last week, while Heath, Eli, and I were recording the last episode of this show, a story was released in Religion News Services that detailed multiple allegations of sexual misconduct by Andrew Torres of the Opening Arguments podcast. You'll know him from his frequent appearances on this show as well as our sister shows, Godawful Movies and The Skeptocrat.

Now, you might not be familiar with the site, but I can assure you that Religion News Services is a legitimate news source. It's one that I've used for years and years now. Now, since this story broke, as is so often the case, a number of new allegations have come forward. In the wake of all of this, we met with Andrew, who, in addition to being our lawyer and our friend, was also a minority owner of our company.

He agreed that it was in the best interest of both the company and the community if he stepped aside and we severed all ties. We released a statement to that effect a few hours after the story broke. Now to be clear, given the nature of the matter, there's a lot of shit I can't say. There are a lot of terms I can't use, a lot of journalistic best practices that I have to abide by.

And I always hate shackling my tongue. But this is one of the instances where it physically hurts. But maybe it's for the best. Maybe it's best that I have, to some degree, been deprived of my outrage here. Because let's face it, we always have outrage.

Every fucking time, and where has that gotten us? Over and over again, our community has put its trust in men and then seen that trust betrayed. And when it comes to light, we invariably respond with a sound and a fury signifying nothing. I owe you better than outrage. I brought someone into this community that did real harm to it. I owe you more than that. And I owe you more than I'm sorry and I'll do better. Because I am sorry and I will do better, but that's not enough. The walls of our community just came crashing down. And when that happens, you don't respond by just apologizing.

You also respond by building better walls. So that's what we're trying to do. In the wake of these allegations, an organic effort arose in several online communities to create a new system of accountability. In retrospect, we realized that our thinking had been governed by a careless assumption that it couldn't happen here. We didn't even have a system in place where victims of sexual harassment could come forward, nor did we have an established set of procedures for what to do if somebody did. That means that if someone was victimized, the only person that could tell about it was like the friend and business partner of the person that did it. And then it counts on that person to objectively assess a claim against a friend.

then it counts on that person to objectively assess a claim against a friend that's not tenable, that cannot work. Clearly, what we need is an independent body that can handle accusations like that. We need a tag that we can put at the end of the show that says, you know, if you've experienced sexual harassment or sexual assault by anyone affiliated with our podcast, you can call this number, you can email this email, whatever. We need to empower that group to investigate. We need to indemnify that group against publishing accusations of wrongdoing. And what's more, that group needs to operate with all reasonable transparency, and it needs to be funded in such a way that it's not financially dependent on the success of the people it's investigating.

And we're not the only ones that need this. Our community is made up of scores of podcasts and YouTube channels and TikToks and bloggers. The constituent parts range in size from international organizations with hundreds of staff and volunteers to one and two person operations that just had to incorporate to take on ad revenue, right? All of them need the same kind of accountability and all of them want it, you know, at least the ones worth having so we want to create an organization that can provide this service throughout the secular community but we need more than that we also need to educate people you know i'd i'd never thought

about it before i learned about these allegations but i literally would have had no idea what to do if one of the accusers had come to me about it. I would have been there Googling what to do when your business partner is accused of sexual harassment. And let me tell you, most of the advice you find when you Google that is not coming from a person with the victim's best interest at the top of their priority list. Now, we're in the very early stages of creating this organization. I say we, but the first thing that the group did once we brought them together was kick me out. And for good reason, right? Like if the goal is to regulate the industry I'm in, I shouldn't be exerting any influence on how it's put together. The people who are doing the work so far are a mix of sexual assault survivors, listeners, and concerned

members of the community. And if you'd like to get involved incidentally, be sure to check out the Scathing Atheist Facebook page. Tim will be posting updates over the next few days, directing people on the best ways to help. Everything's still a bit chaotic, so apologies if we don't have clear directions right away. But even just having a list of volunteers for when the organization is ready for them is going to be really useful long term. And even though I'm not directly involved with the formation of the organization, I'm still in constant contact with the people that are. Puzzle and Thunderstorm has pledged $10,000 to help get this thing started. And we've already secured several other meaningful sources of funding. We've been in contact with a number of the major organizations in the community,

and the responses have been universally receptive to the idea. Real and meaningful movement is underway. And that was true even before they kicked me out. Now, we don't exactly know what's going to come from these efforts. At minimum, we're going to get an independent reporting system, but everyone involved has far more exciting long-term goals. We ultimately want a victims fund that provides legal resources to people who fear retribution for public accusations. We want to create a restorative component that can help victims heal. We want to create a model

of how a community comes together to protect itself. But whatever we create, we'll do it knowing that it came too late. And that's the biggest takeaway. Diversity isn't a goal because it makes atheism's college brochure look better.

It isn't a goal just because it makes it more inviting for members of underrepresented minorities. It's a goal because it affects the way we think. It affects the decisions we make and the ones that we don't make. When people complain about this being an overwhelmingly male community, it's not just because they're keeping some fucking gender scorecard. It's because, let's face it, if this community had more equal representation, this would have been a thing years ago. We fucked up. We left vulnerable people in our community undefended.

We failed them. And it's not enough to just do better. We need to be better. And that leads, of course, to the awkward question of what to do with the rest of the show, right? Because it's really hard to transition right from this to the poop

jokes that we would normally be doing right now. There was a lot of talk about releasing just this diatribe in lieu of an episode or something like that this week, but ultimately we decided the best thing that we could do was to soldier on. For a lot of this community, this show is an important way that they unplug and escape

and far be it from us to deprive them of that right now of all time. So without further ado, I will tag in Lucinda. Warning, just, just, fuck. This week's episode of The Scathing Atheist is brought to you by Allbirds, Honey, HelloFresh, and by the unrelenting desire to keep moving forward even when it seems like we aren't getting anywhere. And now, The Scathing Atheist. It's Thursday.

It's February 9th. And it's Jewish Disabilities Awareness Acceptance and Inclusion Month. Huh. Okay, not sure being Jewish is a disability. That's weird phrasing, Eli, but we're proud of you anyway, I guess. I'm no illusions. I'm Eli Bosnick. I'm Ethan Wright. And from Samuel Alito's mom's New Jersey, Hanover, Michigan, and Waycross, Georgia,

this is The Scathing Atheist. On this week's episode, breakfast sullies its good name with national prayer. We learn about a fake treatment for autism that's dumber than ass bleach, which already existed. And we'll explore yet another of the abundance of dark recesses in David Icke's brain. But first, a word from this week's first sponsor, Allbirds.

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Joining me for headlines tonight are the Yabba and Dabba to my do, Heath Enright and Eli Bosnick fellas. Are you ready to get stoned right it's a living and it is yeah i got giant ribs they're knocking over my shitty subaru that's on fire it's good it all makes sense nice in our lead story tonight the new and improved national prayer breakfast now with fewer russian spies took place last sunday president biden addressed the explicitly religious semi-official gathering that could not possibly exist without violating the concept of church-state separation and casting non-Christians as lesser citizens with a message of unity.

He urged congressional attendees to unify despite their religious differences, arguing that their shared goals for American excellence could inspire them to work together regardless of whether they were Christian or slightly different Christian or ever so slightly different Christian or Ilhan Omar. Hey, everybody. Our new and inclusive theocracy breakfast has 100% non-GMO secular pancakes now. You're welcome. Right. Yeah. Cool. And Ilhan is here.

Hi, Ilhan. We're friends. Right? Say that we're friends. Wave if you mean we're friends. Sorry you got removed from your committee as a symbolic gesture against Muslims. Did you get my snack basket? It has mousse munch.

It has mousse munch in there. Get in there. Get some of Joe's mousse munch I sent you. You're going to like it. So this is actually the first national prayer breakfast since the big schism that took place when it came to light that the existing event was literally just a venue for foreign influence operated by the secretive evangelical power brokers known as the family. If you're not familiar, they're an insanely well-funded Christian group officially called the International Foundation. Yikes.

Yeah, right. Because I guess generic organization name was taken. because I guess generic organization name was taken. And it's literally impossible to say any true thing about that group without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Sure is. The title is insane. Like the supervillain colonizing syndicate from Black Adam was like, guys, you got to tone that down.

That's right. Yes. I don't know. Maybe something like intergang. That's hard. Don't do exactly that. But like intergang, just, you know, relax it down. Closer.

And what's worse, we could learn tomorrow that these executives share a baby before every board meeting and your conspiracy theory uncle would still be like, but why did Hillary Tripp go into a car wash? Yes. Oh, right. Your eyes. So anyway, so so they're the ones that conceived of the national prayer breakfast and they've run it since its inception 70 years ago.

But it came to light in 2018 that Russian spies were attending these things, including Maria Butina, who was convicted of spying in 2018 and served 15 months in prison. According to CNN, at least 60 Russians had made plans to attend the 2018 breakfast before the news about Butina broke and scuttled the whole thing. Yeah, terrifying. 2018 breakfast before the news about Bettina broke and scuttled the whole thing. Yeah. Terrifying. The 2017 breakfast, it was just like hundreds of people sitting at the same table, but facing away like they were on benches in a park, sliding briefcases and walking away. And then somebody gets on the mic. They're like, hey, everyone, two quick things.

One, everyone make sure you open that email from Giuliani just now. Click on the Britney Spears attachment is what he told me right a trench coat guy told me that oh and two we refilled the bacon so good enjoy that oh all right and god is love god is love and yeah right anyway so upon learning that the constitutionally dubious practice that grew out of cold war hysteria had become hopelessly corrupted congress Congress decided to solve the problem by continuing to do it, just less constitutionally. A new organization was created called the National Prayer Breakfast Foundation that will set up the same basic event, but with more congressional control, right?

So instead of simply giving the appearance of government endorsement, they just gave it actual government endorsement. They just gave it actual government endorsement. Okay. Well, if they're just going to do the things we accuse them of, I want to see Pat Robertson's cheek stilts. I want to see that.

Do they go from the ground? Do they go from his shoulder? Is it like a tent that's falling apart? Yeah. Yeah, I want to know. Questions. An RV that's parked for the day. Yeah, exactly.

And as if this isn't bad enough by the way i should point out that the old national prayer breakfast is still going on really it's just been given the new like conspiracy theorist who is too tired to put their all into it name the gathering literally guys titles just spend a little bit more time. Well, look, it's even still happening in essentially full coordination with this new other breakfast. They took place at the same time on the same day. The old unofficial prayer breakfast even paused to pipe in a live stream of Biden's remarks. So literally the same evil thing still happens, but now it happens twice as much and gives some politicians but not others one degree of plausible deniability in terms of corrupt foreign influence guys we're the breakfast front of judea

we're the real one that the other thing is different well and what's so funny is that the inevitable solution to this is going to be a third secular breakfast where fucking jeff blackwell and the two nerds we have in congress book a table at ihop it's actually just the three i know we booked for six it's just three next up in headlines representative elaine omar we already talked about her a little bit she was removed from the foreign affairs committee last week by Speaker, just fucking barely, Kevin McCarthy and House Republicans. And the new members of the group are, of course, Christian right lunatics like Marjorie Taylor

Greene. The GOP leadership claims that Omar was replaced because she made offensive remarks several years ago that contained anti-Semitic tropes. Omar immediately apologized and acknowledged the problem. And otherwise, she's been a great leader. She also happens to be one of the first two Muslim women to ever serve in U.S. Congress. Yeah. And of course, that is why she was actually removed. The being a great leader and the being a Muslim woman and an immigrant. So that's the first part of the story, I guess. Republicans are liars is the top line.

Racist liars who lie about being racist might as well be republicanism's post-colonic at this point. Okay, here's the next part, which was fantastic. In response to the move by McCarthy, the hero that we do not deserve, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, pointed out the absurd situation of this whole thing

on the House floor. I'm going to paraphrase here, but she basically said, oh, okay, so we're playing with no anti-Semitic remarks in the past? Those are the rules?

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. So when Marjorie Taylor Greene said that wildfires in California were being caused by space lasers controlled by Dianne Feinstein's husband and the Rothschild family of Illuminati globalist bankers in order to steal money from Donald Trump's border wall and pay for high-speed rail that would help destroy our delightful big oil sector and cement more power for the Jewish laser cabal.

So when MTG said that. You guys are saying it was pro-Semitic? Just to be clear. Is that all the rules and everything we're all saying? I'm saying they're good at building lasers. It's comparable. Yeah. That's all real.

I didn't exaggerate the claim. That's what MTG said. That is what she said, yes. And just, you know, exact words from AOC for clarity. She said, don't tell me that this is about a condemnation of anti-Semitic remarks when you have a member of the Republican caucus, Green, who has talked about Jewish space lasers and elevated her to some of the highest committee assignments in this body.

This is about targeting women of color in the United States of America. End actual quote. Yeah, well, targeting women of color in the United States of America would be another great post-colonic, actually, if they're shopping that. So MTG is an idiot and decided to wade into a battle of intellect and words with AOC. Just a terrible idea, but entertaining for us, I guess. And MTG literally started this whole thing by saying, debate me like a crazy person, like Steven Crowder in a meme.

Seriously. Here's the tweet from Madge Tadge Gage. Quote, I have repeatedly asked you to debate me, but you've been a coward and can't even respond. When are you going to be an adult and actually debate me on policy instead of run your mouth like a teenage girl? And while we're at it, Mike Tyson, fucking box me, you coward. You've seen my weird swingy pull-ups. Let's fucking do it. So, okay. First of all, when this happened, the entire internet loved the idea of watching AOC absolutely destroy Marjorie Taylor Greene in a debate.

People seriously were like contacting ESPN and like looping in the WWE, setting up pay-per-view contracts, trying really hard to make that happen. But AOC's follow-up was even better. She responded, Hey there, in case you forgot, we sit on the same committee, which literally debated this week. I don't blame you if you forgot. You spent almost no time there. In the few minutes you did show up, you claimed that one elementary school

got $5 billion to teach critical race theory. And yes, MTG did say that. Oh my God. AOC, AOC, I know you're a listener, big fan. I don't have a million dollars, but I will find a million dollars and I will give it to you if you agree to do this debate. But then you just go all John Cleese from the argument clinic sketch,

right, the whole time? No, it isn't. No, it's not. No, it's not? Yeah. So, I think the big takeaway here is that Eli and Anna need to find that elementary school

and get that kid enrolled. Right? Five billion dollars of funding, just a whole bunch of critical race theory. He's so critical of race. Sounds amazing. I wondered why all the black kids in Max's preschool had their own spaceship, and now it's all

coming together. I just thought it was like a carpool thing. I get it. And on that note, we're going to pause for a quick word from our second sponsor this week, Honey. Kid can learn about racist babies for real. Oh, yeah, there you go. Dude, stop.

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Oh, that does change my strategy significantly. Oh, I bet it does. Still bet on red. And we're back. Next up in headlines, the Satanic Temple is continuing in their quest to support bodily autonomy and also in making it so fucking clear

that religious exemptions from laws are stupid. Because God is fake, that's nothing, and people are real, that's everything. The temple just announced that they're going to be launching a virtual abortion clinic where patients can conduct telehealth visits and receive, quote, free religious medication abortion care. And that might sound like weird phrasing, but it has the word religious. So shitty red states can't enforce laws about it

because they said the magic word in their thing. Sorry, Heath, I was smoking some religious sacraments and I didn't catch that. What was that? I get it. Now picture you smoking pot out of that swingy thing they use in mass. Swinging it around your head.

So most importantly, the clinic is going to provide extremely important medical care. Great stuff. And it gets even better when you hear a bit more of the exact wording and the branding that they chose for the announcement. Of course, they explain how their magical demon-based abortion ritual is part of their sincerely held belief system. No backsies. I said religious. You can't do anything. And then they gave us the title.

Here's a quote from their announcement. The Samuel Alito's mom's satanic abortion clinic provides religious medication abortion care. And that, in this little announcement on their site, is followed by a cartoon of Alito's mom standing outside the clinic. And she's saying, if only abortion was legal when I was pregnant. Nice. Well, no, that's infomercial advertising 101. You start on some universal thought that everybody's had before.

I wish Sam Alito's mom could have got an abortion. That makes sense. I get it. Good marketing. Yeah. So good stuff. Nice branding, guys. And just one more quick reminder about this.

More for Eli, Eli and Anna, more than anybody else. Eli and Anna live minutes away from Samuel Alito. And I'm sure Eli knows to be very respectful at the supermarket. And he'll let us know about all those very respectful interactions they may or may not have with mild disputes. I have so many bread costumes, he'll never see me coming. You do have a lot of bread costumes. I do.

And in Pushed Out of the LGBTQ News, the bad guys are losing. It feels hard to say that sometimes, but it's true. Because despite all their bluster and muster, the desperate attempts of theocrats to make their Theo, the eponymous crat, they have failed. And thanks to a recent report from the Human Rights Campaign, we know just how hard they failed.

Because less than 10% of anti-LGBTQ bills. Proposed in 2022. Actually passed. Yeah. Okay so I'm glad they're rolling badly. On that D10 or whatever. But maybe we stop offering. Roll for bigot stuff at all.

Just regardless of which D it is. And to be clear. We do that by voting. Everyone, every good person votes every time. We have the numbers to win just about every time, at least on the national level. No more bigotry checks. We're not doing bigotry checks. And look, nobody could blame you for thinking, hey, man, even one anti-LGBTQ law passing is a bad thing, especially if you're not from America and you don't know that our government is one half slave owner

participation trophy and the other half internet comments section. And those are just the federal branches, people, but proposing a bill and it becoming law are two vastly different things. I can't be the only one that was hoping that was the lead-in

to Eli's rendition of Schoolhouse Rocks I'm Just a Bill, right? It was just the fucking point he was making I'm disappointed too, couldn't get the rights So, of the 315 discriminatory anti-LGBTQ plus bills proposed in 2022 149 bills targeted the transgender and non-binary community With the majority targeting children 80 bills aimed to prevent transgender youth from playing school sports and 42 bills were written

to prevent transgender and non-binary youth from receiving and i'm quoting the report here life-saving medically necessary gender affirming health care now Now, again, only 29 of those bills passed. But as the report says, that is still far more than has been passed in recent memory. So this fight is far from over. Well, yeah.

I mean, to echo Heath's point, like if you just frame this story as 29 bills targeting transgender children passed, like this is a terrifying fucking story. Terrifying. And that's the story. Absolutely. Yeah. Now this is, this is a terrifying fucking story. Terrifying. And that's the story.

Absolutely. Yeah. Now, okay. I'm going to try to find the positives here. It's tough. I don't know. It's good that they lost on some of those,

but yes, 29 bills. Horrible. I guess. Okay. One little good sign is that even some Republicans are finally jumping off the bigot train a little bit. And other Republicans are dying. So that's good. I guess what I'm saying is more of that, right?

I mean, not fast enough, but it's something. They are. More of that. They're dying. And again, I want to leave you on a bright spot as well. So the HRC report also points out that 24 equality bills were passed last year, protecting name change rights, voting rights, and bathroom freedom for trans people. And yes, many of those are long overdue, but that number is growing both

at the state and national level. So while we absolutely have to keep fighting, we should never forget that part of the reason for that is because we're going to win. Amen. And finally tonight in PUDO science news, Canadian naturopath Jason Klopp is a liar. Sorry. Okay. No, let me start over. Naturopathy is nothing. It's nonsense.

It's people who try to heal things with like all natural ingredients or self-healing or other ridiculous things like homeopathy. That's part of it. Theoretically, okay. Yes, a naturopath could provide real medicine sometimes but the extent to which they're a naturopath is the exact extent to which they're not a real doctor so one of those guys made some news recently jason klopp has been fighting with oversight boards in british columbia for the right to provide fecal microbiota supplements as a treatment for autism.

Right. Which is exactly why you don't want your doctor trained in not medicine, right? You don't want them trained in anything not medicine. You don't want trained in knitting either, right? Anything that isn't real medicine that a doctor does needs to be their hobby. That'd be great. No part of the doctoring. Just hobby.

Yeah. So most of the story is actually from last year, but somehow we never covered this thing. I don't know how. We never covered the insane liar who's trying to sell the idea of literally eating other people's shit. And that is unacceptable. We're covering it today. Here we are. Let's start with the treatment called fecal microbiota transplantation or FMT. It is literally eating

other people's shit, but it's also a real medical thing. Just not for autism. It's pretty much only used for treating certain rare cases of a condition called C. diff, which is something that happens in your colon. But there's no colon-based autism because that's insane. So FMT is definitely not approved for autism treatment. Nonetheless, Jason Klopp was selling pills of processed fecal matter and claiming they remove your location on a spectrum from your ass where that concept lives somehow. And he was charging parents of autistic children about $15,000 for one round of FMT. Yeah, which we should point out is way above market rate

for paying someone to shit in your mouth. I'm not going to ask why you know that. I mean, why do you think I own all those bread costumes?. Okay. I'm not going to ask why you know that. I mean, why do you think I own all those bread costumes? No illusions. I don't. Not more clear now. What?

Nope. Moving right along. Moving right along. So the authorities in Canada decided to shut him down last year. It started with an investigation by the college of naturopathic physicians. That's the governing body that provides oversight so that they don't have any irresponsible business practices among moon clerics and quantum druids and northern paladins. So that's the voice of reason here, just to be clear. If a governing body that has a magical

fraud occupation right in the title decides that you are being unscientific that's ridiculous that's terrifying you're probably selling literal shit to people for them to eat yeah for something that doesn't help yeah well klopp decided to sue and tried to get a judge to order the college of naturopathic physicians to stop being such sticklers about things that are like you know real and here's the argument from klopp's attorney he started by claiming that you can't really break a rule in the field of magic because what would that even mean which okay that's a solid argument no it is yeah the way he seems to think exactly he said quote what does it take for a naturopath to do something unbecoming in a field that is so broad and open to interpretation?

Yeah, it's, oh, really? I'm faking it. The legal argument. Well, yeah, right. No, it's the argument here seems to be it would literally be impossible to do this wrong. So we should keep doing it. Yes, right. Yeah.

Yeah. So we should keep doing it. Yes, right. Yeah. Yeah. From there, Klop's lawyer explained how naturopathic theory isn't really big on numbersy stuff historically. And instead, it's more about anecdotes. He actually said that. He actually said he's like, no, this is an anecdote thing.

So we're not playing with numbers. We don't do numbers. And he even uses homeopathy as a defense of naturopathy. He even uses homeopathy as a defense of naturopathy. He argued that naturopathy includes homeopathy, which is based on, quote, magical thinking and is certainly non-scientific at its core. In certain respects, naturopaths may rely on science, but they are not bound by science. End quote. That's the argument for naturopathy, to be clear. They're not bound by.

If I'm the fucking judge, I'm going to ask the natu naturopathy, to be clear. They're not bound by... If I'm the fucking judge, I'm going to ask the naturopath in the court to fucking fly. I'll be like, oh, no, he says you're not bound by science. Fucking float around or some goddamn shit then. Drop you off or something. I feel like that attorney-client meeting probably wasn't a lot of fun. Okay, so look at this over.

I plan to argue that everything you believe is fake including this thing. I'm your lawyer to be clear. I'm doing this for you. You're paying me to do this for you actually.

God. Yeah, okay. So this one ends with a bit of good news. The investigation discovered that Klopp was producing FMT in a

random basement apartment in British Columbia using shit from his nephews and putting it into gel caps. Wait, this is the good news? I'll get there. I'll get there. Okay. All right.

I was going to say, man. Talk faster. You can't pause after that sentence. Sorry. No, I'm explaining it so much faster than you. Let me finish. Let me finish. We found that out.

Klopp swore that the kids had really high quality shit because he knows their lifestyles. Seriously, he said that as a defense. Peanut butter and jellies. Yeah. Great for you. But after about a year of trying to figure out a non-scientific argument against a fake medicine, out a non-scientific argument against a fake medicine, I guess the College of Healing

Wizards was somehow able to shut down Klopp's FMT business in December. So there's the good news very end. There it is. Yeah, not for nothing, but if I discovered a person who I thought was a doctor was feeding my child gel caps of his nephew's shit, I would be asking for him to lose a lot more

than his business license. So there you have it. You know? Yeah. And with that disturbing reminder of just how full of shit these motherfuckers have to get before we'll shut them down, we're going to wrap up the headlines for the night. Heath, Eli, thanks as always. Pumanji. And when we come back, we'll sacrifice a few more IQ points to the ramblings of David Icke. David Ive.

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I kind of feel like that has... Yeah, right. If that's your book, that has to be the focus of your fucking book once you've introduced it. But we're about to talk about a 52-page chapter where that barely comes up okay counterpoint spoken like a man who hasn't watched three years of marvel tv shows about the hulk's least favorite cousins okay no actually yeah right right there is precedent okay fair so anyway this week davy is going to make us defend war with a chapter titled war war war we love, We Love It. Now, okay, so he starts out like, this is a frustrating one, right?

Because it starts off like, my notes are like, okay, I'll reluctantly agree with you that we should spend more money on homeless people than we do on tanks, or at the very least we should let them sleep in the tanks that we're not using. We're not using them most of the time. The M1 Abrams double wide, I love it. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Okay, exactly. Exactly. But to be fair, his point is kind of deflated by the implied stop spending more money on tax than we do on homeless people and get down to the real business of stopping the alien lizard juice. Right, right. And look, there are very few

things you can't fault Trump for, but putting people with ties to defense in charge of defense is actually on that list, David. Okay. Jared Kushner wearing body armor on top of his like $5,000 suit like Joe Gray might be the silliest image from the entire Trump administration. Yeah. And that's a high bar. That includes Donald Trump putting his hands on the magical globe that he thought he was going to

do a spell with all those other leaders and smiling. And that includes Mike Pence touching a piece of NASA equipment with his hand inches away from a sign that says, don't fucking touch this. We're NASA.

Are you crazy? Yeah. And him staring right into the eclipse and all of that. But still, yeah. That was a great one. I forgot about that. But of course, war isn't just about making money, although that's a lot of it. It's also about harvesting anger souls for the reptilian gods of the Jews.

Five sentences. Who had five sentences in the pool? Yeah. Okay, just to be clear, the Jewish reptile demons were feasting on the magical energy mana of human anger, but they were still a little peckish, so they started wars. Right, there wasn't enough anger. Yes.

That's the actual narrative of the book. I have so much trouble paying attention to any words that come after trilateral commission in any book. Absolutely. We need rules about those triggers at the beginning. If you start a sentence with trilateral commission or

honestly quantum anything and you're not a quantum physicist or if you're like, I have a podcast so therefore, no, you're done talking. You're done talking. Therefore, nothing. Right, right. So, and then he introduces us to the project for a new American century, which is one of his baddies du jour, apparently. And so doing, he keeps acting like when diplomats and high-level advisors say a foreign policy thing will will happen and then it happens, that's a gotcha.

Right. Exactly. David, David, how would uncorrupt diplomats look in your view? Right. Yeah. Now, to be fair, a nefarious cabal of Illuminati did start the war in Iraq under false pretenses. But like he was he was bound to get one right eventually. You know.

Right. And the people of Israel and Palestine have been safe ever since, thanks to the Lister aliens. He might be onto something. Oh, God. And then we get one of the most promising subheadings in the entire book, the real reason

for 9-11. He says, this reporter said that war in these various countries would take a Pearl Harbor level event. And then Bush referred to 9-11 as the new Pearl Harbor. What are the odds that two entire people would be aware of Pearl Harbor? Know that that place. Yeah. And like the Illuminati guy in George W.'s office, he's like, yeah, OK, make a statement.

But don't don't say Pearl Harbor. Dude, you said Pearl Harbor right away. That's what the claim is? Also, there's the point where he says, well, the media believed the same people about 9-11 that they believed about the WMDs in Iraq. And I'm like, that was before, though.

David, you know about before, right? Because if you don't, that would explain a lot. He does you know about before right because if you don't that would explain a lot not know about before yeah how is he getting the iraq war wrong just name evil shit about a war david that's what happens in the iraq war right yes exactly thank you miss right and that's why they should have known that jfk was in danger. Nope. Okay. I did time backwards. I don't, how does before work? And then we get, this is to me one of the weirdest

of the 9-11 truther arguments. He presents the whole like, be pretty hard to crash a plane into a building though. Would it? I have played the documentary Grand Theft Auto 4. Everybody on those planes

should have just woken up at the nearest hospital $ft Auto 4. Everybody on those planes should have just woken up at the nearest hospital, $500 pork. One of my favorite arguments, he's talking about the 9-11 hijackers and he goes, the so-called lead hijacker's favorite food was pork.

What? Right, as in like he's not really Muslim, but like how is your favorite food just pork in general that's a category what would that even mean one pork please uh write that down i'm leaving a breadcrumb trail i sure do love me the pork for 19 year old eli bosnick to actively believe oh he gets he gives us the, they did Vietnam so they'd have coffins to send their

heroin back in. That was new to me. I hadn't heard that one before. Yeah, it feels like there has to be a better way than that to transport heroin, no? Right? Yes! Guys, this is a sad funeral. Did you know Johnny knew Frank Lucas? Because he's here. Nice of him to come to the funeral

and open the coffin what's happening an actual quote from the fucking book he says okay time to welcome back george soros he's been away too long that's actually how he puts it real thing real quote i feel like david ike types the letter g anywhere like during a text and george soros pops up and that's just where the conversation goes he's just like yeah okay well we might as well talk about soros too just yeah right now honestly this whole book feels like david ike started a text and just kept hitting the first autocomplete word for 1200 yeah, right, right. He's like, you ever notice how all the modern revolutions are named after colors?

Red, orange, green, rose, tulip, lotus. Those are his exact examples. Those are the ones he really uses. The color lotus? Yeah.

French. Yeah, sure. Industrial. Ranch. Yeah, sure. Industrial. Ranch. No, damn it. He breaks down the to-do list if you want to start your own CIA-funded revolution at home. And I got ready to write a bunch of jokes,

and I'm like, oh, no, actually, I guess those probably are the four steps the CIA uses to overthrow a foreign government. I guess that's it. Just a council of lizard demons watching the CIA run all their coups and being like, fuck, that's way easier than our thing. Like we have this whole like anger oscillation harvesting.

Maybe we just outsource it to the CIA from now on. Yes. I think they're Jewish, right? The CIA, right? Is the name of All Jewish people? Also, and he tacks on at the very end of this subject where he's like, also the Illuminati is letting brown people

move to the UK. African brown people. Northern Africa, but still. Okay. I know this is a weird compliment to give David Icke, but I like that he occasionally takes a break from international bullshit to focus on the local.

Right, yeah. Lizard Jews started the Iraq War for Angus Soves. Also, what the fuck happened to Cadbury Cream Eggs? They changed them. You all know it. They fucking changed them. Who's drinking tonight? Okay, and then we get a subchapter called In Their Own Words.

And I'm thinking, anybody's but yours, bro. This is where we learned that the CIA made ISIS. Right. I mean, perfect crime, right? Solid cover. I get it. Like, for example, if Hitler had built a Jewish army, we'd all be like, what? Now I don't know what to think about this guy.

And we're off the trail. All of a sudden, we're off the trail. Yep. Yep. He goes, he's like, if there's not like one group running at all, why did Obama have the exact same wars as George W.? Okay, this is the dumbest argument in the book, maybe. You know, honestly, I went through this as well

because when they told me I had to live in the exact same house as the guy in Jersey I bought it from, I was like, eww. It's weird how Abe Lincoln was in the exact same war as Jefferson Davis. Think about it.

They're both the same. He tells us that the Jews are the ones that are really beheading people on video in the name of Allah. I love that. Well, excuse us for cultural exchange, David.

I thought maybe we could unite on some activity. Yeah. Okay. Those videos are like the foie gras of anger. Oscillation food though. Like clearly. Yeah. Just rich.

Oh God. I also, i love when his nationalism gets in the way of his anti-governmentness right he'll just suddenly go but actually the uk government is the most conspiratorial of all the governments right wine gums used to be harder who's with me and by the way in case he hasn't made it clear which ethnic minority is to blame for this whole armed conflict thing, the next subchapter is actually titled Israel, War and Terror. Jewish. And I'm reading the bit about how Syria wasn't hurting anybody. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, this aged poorly.

But then I reminded myself that this was published in 2017. Right. So it's just it just was poorly hop you got time going the other way buddy you did it again and and then of course there is that like well the palestinians were a little close to the fence moment you know oh my god he seriously makes that argument. If he starts telling us in what ways we'll love a movie, I get to sue him, right? That's how that works. He's literally shitting on the practice at one point of dropping leaflets before you bomb cities

and making it sound like that's colluding with the enemy. The description's insane. He's like, yeah, so you know when someone doesn't quite tickle you, but they like pump fake it, and it's even worse. That's Zionism. That's what that is.

That's what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is like. Oh, and I love this fucking email that he cites. This is insane. It is fucking, it's so good. In the Russian Spanner subchapter is fucking. Yeah, it's so good in the Russian spanner subchapter. He's like, it's like, hey, Phil, want to do a false flag chemical

weapon attack in Syria? Yes, no, maybe check a box. Yep. At shadow gov Phil you want to drop nerve gas on Syria and finally start a conflict in the Middle East like for the first time like this for yes, reply

for no. Seriously, he shows this email. It's nuts. David Icke has the email typed out that he allegedly has. It was like hacked or something. It's supposed to be one Illuminati guy talking to another, being like, hello, fellow Zionist

operative that we both are. We can make several giant bags of cartoon money if we drop a chemical weapon on syria might be risky but again so much evil cartoon money bags we're evil and okay literal exact quote kind regards yes dave yes at the end of the... You can't... That's not real. You can't say that and then say kind regards. Nope. I'm doing that for all my crimes from now on. You want me to bring weed to the party?

Kind regards, Eli. Yep, there you go. To whomst the fake chemical weapons may concern? Best, Dave. Okay, and then he tells us about the group that faked the chemical weapon attack in Syria, the white helmets, except for he uses, but he spells it like double hockey sticks. Very clever. He says, if you look closely at the videos of the sarin attacks,

you can see fake corpses and actors opening their eyes or, or dying people that aren't all the way dead yet. It's one of those two things that you're seeing. Yeah. Here's another cool thing. If you watch it while you listen to Dark Side of the Moon, it actually lines up. It's really cool. Oh, jeez. Right.

In this passage, David's like, look, either I'm encouraging my horde of mentally ill followers to sully some of the most tragic war footage of the last 50 years with their unhinged thinking, or I caught a blooper. It's one of those. That's what a blooper. It's one of those. That's what I'm saying is it's one of those. Oh, it's so awful. He's like, you know,

one little girl that they pulled out of the rubble didn't look very dirty to me. Like, Jesus Christ, dude. Seriously, he said that. The only reason that girl doesn't have a mob outside her house every day

is that David Icke doesn't have as many Twitter followers as Alex Jones. That's the only difference. Thank you. Thank you. And then he's just like, apropos of nothing, have a mob outsider house every day is that david ike doesn't have as many twitter followers as alex jones that's the only difference thank you thank you and then he's just like apropos of nothing youtube's terms of service are bullshit did i mention cadbury eggs earlier i'll also that oh jesus and then it's time to talk about what a fuck up trump is right i'm so sick of agreeing with him but like right away he starts fucking it up right

because he's like trying to let like list all of the high ranking military officials that trump put into you know high government positions but he runs out super quick and by like the third one on the list he's listing the director of the federal bureau of prisons all right everyone here at the illuminati today we're doling out top political positions to members of our secret cabal let me say before we start steve you drew the short stick on this one okay man but i don't want you making a big deal when i announce it just fucking sit there and get your position come on let me get a good parking spot and he's like you ever notice how no matter who the president is kim jong-un is still the bad

guy that's proof that democrats and republicans are exactly the same abe lincoln and barack obama same stance on slavery both parties that's a republican and a democrat right god and he's like apropos of nothing facebook's terms of service are bullshit. I feel like we're watching him get suspended from these services in real time. Right, yeah, as he's reading the book, he's like clicking back and forth from the book to Facebook. Yeah. It's like he thinks his keyboard is a typewriter

and he also can't afford like another ream of paper, like he's got exactly the number of papers he's gonna need. And that's how the demons control the geopolitical. Fuck, I got zucked. I got zucked for a squash that looks like a dick. I shouldn't type this.

I'm wasting paper. Then there's this great line. I love this one because finally we got to one that did age poorly. He's like, and Putin was accused of planning to invade countries on his Western border with no evidence at all. Bernie Madoff is amazing at picking a stock. I will say that about this guy. No one will ever say anything bad.

You know who can pick out a curveball? The Houston Astros. They are amazing. I don't know how they do it. They're just really good hitters. He tells us that Kim Jong-un is a U.S. puppet, which I wouldn't have guessed. Obviously. How else would we get him to do

bad things over multiple presidencies? Well, right. Yeah, no, it's got to be consistent. Pay attention. And then we wrap up with a subchapter where the subtitle does away with pretense and it just says World War III. And I love this so much, right? Because he's giving us his final thoughts and he opens up by saying,

in his 1959 book, Satan, Prince of the World. And I'm like, yeah, man, I am in. In the 1732 textbook, there's demons in my blood. Yeah, right, right. No, yeah, man. Truth lies where the Cold War propagandists met the satanic panic, I'm sure.

But in the book, some dude claimed that there was an old letter that predicted three world wars, two of which had already happened, the third of which never did. So this guy's been wrong for 64 years and counting. But if you don't understand before, I don't know. Yeah. Also, the old letter that he's talking about is from 1871. And the guy who wrote it literally helped start the KKK and, according

to David Icke, is also a Zionist operative. Yes! Who helped start the KKK. Yep! Baffling. Also, by the way, and I was surprised by this, apparently, according to this letter, the nihilists and atheists team up on the same side in World War III. We're one of the sides, us nihilists.

Just to see a bald guys with goatees charging down a hill, led by Aaron Raw in full cosplay. It must be exhausting. Nihilist army, yeah. Not a lot going on there. And then, of course, Satan is going to show up. He will beat both Christianity and atheism, which makes sense to me. Right? Yeah.

I mean, the minute Satan shows up, he's beaten us. Right. Exactly. Right. Yeah. But I also feel like we're all smart enough to sort of scooch over to the Christians. If I see Satan, I'm a fucking christian yeah for sure also i feel like say by the same token satan kind of has to be a christian right like yeah he's met jesus's dad

who is in fact god yep he sure has he's got to be a christian just like begrudgingly uh and because he's just never fucking done there's also a a postscript. I would have just left it out, but this is the first mention that we actually get of the yellow fringe on the flags in federal courts. The ad morality shit. A little gift at the end there. Yeah, right, right. Just when you're like, I can't even stand another chapter. He's like, yellow fringe on the flags. And you're like, all right, buddy.

Okay. David Icke does a bad job of the yellow fringe on the flag's argument, though, which is like, it's already ridiculous. And I don't think he fully understands. He says the yellow fringe indicates that U.S. troops are fighting for the United States corporation. Yes. Not the country. But the ancient law of fringing regulations, I guess, forced us to have a big hint about the world controlling aliens who haven't figured out a way to relax that regulation about the fringing during their control of the world. Well, yeah, we don't want to violate statute 372 of the flag.

I'm a road controlling demon, but yeah, 372, you don't violate 372. We have a line and it's a flag cone. And I'm proud to be a giant scary demon. Right. So David makes that final thing.

This is the very end of the chapter, by the way, that was his big like closer, except then he's like, also check out my YouTube. I have youtube i have a bit wait hold on when i get it back up again check out my youtube terms of service are bullshit end of chapter all right well i'll tell you what if there's one thing we know for sure about david ike is that he never runs out of bullshit so we're gonna be back with more of this on next month's installment of Everything You Need to Know. Before we pull the blankets

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