The Scathing Atheist - 529: Phoenix Rising Edition
Episode Date: April 6, 2023In this week’s episode, the Catholic Church takes a firm stance against city planning, we learn how thoughts and prayers took down the Medellin cartel, and we’ll watch a video that was too conspir...atorial for YouTube. --- To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click there: https://www.amazon.com/Outbreak-Crisis-Religion-Ruined-Pandemic/dp/B08L2HSVS8/ To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show’s hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies To check out our half-sister show, Citation Needed, click here: http://citationpod.com/ To check out our sister show’s sister show, D and D minus, click here: https://danddminus.libsyn.com/ To hear more from our intrepid audio engineer Morgan Clarke, click here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/ --- Guest Links: Learn more about American Atheists’ convention here: https://convention.atheists.org/ --- Headlines: TX Bill would force all classrooms to contain 10 commandments display: https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/texas-bills-would-force-classrooms and replace qualified counselors with chaplains: https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/texas-lawmakers-want-to-replace-trained The Catholic argument against 15-minute cities https://catholicherald.co.uk/the-catholic-argument-against-15-minute-cities/ Chaz Stevens demanding a ban of ALL BOOKS in public schools of Broward County, Florida: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-ban-the-bible-in-florida-public-schools Chaplain awarded £10k after NHS Trust said diversity 'takes precedence' over religious belief https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/31/catholic-chaplain-award-nhs-trust-equality-religious-belief/ Evangelical douche nozzle sneaks into Nebraska school cafeteria to preach to kids: https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/nebraska-school-revamps-security Colombia's national police chief says exorcism and prayer used to fight crime and cartels: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-exorcism-prayer-used-fight-crime-cartels-general-henry-sanabria/?intcid=CNM-00-10abd1h
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On this week's episode, the Catholic Church takes a firm stance against city planning.
We learn how thoughts and prayers took down the Medellin cartel.
And we'll watch a video that was too conspiratorial for YouTube.
But first, the diatribe.
I've said a number of times on this show before that we as atheists kind of lucked out in terms of how wacky and stupid the religions we have to argue against are.
Right?
Like, the Bible could have been a very relevant book filled with historical facts, believable stories, fantastic advice, and present moral teachings.
It's not.
But even without an extant God, it could have been.
There are books that are filled
with that shit they're just not the bible and how much harder would our job be if we couldn't
dismiss their holy book by pointing out that it endorses slavery and includes a talking donkey
likewise the religions themselves are nonsensical and contradictory like the problem of evil perfect
example at least so far that is an insurmountable hurdle for the
people that we find ourselves debating but it's not a problem inherent in theism just in monotheism
and just if the god in that monotheistic tradition is omnibenevolent right if they'd elected to go
with a pantheon of gods with no one supreme over the others they'd have no trouble at all explaining
why we should worship this particular god even if there is still evil in the world. They just elect to hamstring their
argument in advance by claiming that their guy is omnipotent and omnibenevolent. So it's easy to
think, or at least it's been easy for me to think in the past, that we just really got fortunate
that none of the more logically defensible religions or holy books won out and became
the major religions of today. But the more I reflect on it, the more I realize that luck doesn't really have anything to do with
it. Their silliness is inevitable. See, the problem with religion, as always, is that it
isn't true. It's bullshit. And no matter how good your bullshit is, you're eventually going to have
to prop it up with more bullshit. Of course, you can actually get away with this for a very long time if, A,
you're a good liar, and B, you know that you're lying. And while that's almost certainly the case
at the beginning of any religion, it can't be the case for long. So eventually, people will start
seeking to answer the flaws inherent with the system, not with new lies, but with truths.
the flaws inherent with the system, not with new lies, but with truths. And of course, truths never quite line up with the lies, so they have to start employing logical contortions. And if you do this
long enough and you leave it in the hands of smart enough people, you inevitably wind up with a
convoluted web of nonsense filled with very obvious flaws that will make the job of future atheists
easier and easier.
Of course, when the underlying belief has truth value, it becomes easier to defend over time,
right? It was, for example, way easier to poke holes in evolution 100 years ago.
I mean, I should say good holes, right? Since there's no solid floor to the intellectual depths that they'll plumb in their effort to deny the observable in this instance. But
the point is, the more we study the evolution, the more questions about evolution we've been able to answer, because evolution's
true. But the more we study any particular religion, the more the questions just multiply.
Consider the perfect example here, the Trinity. Now, if you knew you were lying and you knew that
you were later going to have to defend that lie, you'd never come up with something as silly as a God that's part himself and part his kid and part a ghost, but all
the same guy, but still different guys. There's literally no way to describe it without admitting
how silly it is, right? But if you thought Jesus was real and God was real and there was just the
one God, you kind of have to start divvying him up in this way. Add to that
the fact that people want to deify the voice in their heads, and you're kind of stuck with this
weird-ass tripartite God. And when you really look into these things, you find that's always the
cause. Look long enough at any wacky contradiction in Christianity or any religion older than its
founder, really, and you're going to see some hole in the plot that it was originally created to spackle over. I mean, we don't know enough about ancient Judaism,
but if we did, I'm sure we could even figure out what sillier implication Blom's talking donkey
was meant to ameliorate. And that's a damn encouraging realization for two reasons,
right? The first is that we didn't just lock out. Even if they came up with a brand new and
improved theology tomorrow, we would know that over time it would inevitably get sillier and right the first is that we didn't just luck out even if they came up with a brand new and improved
theology tomorrow we would know that over time it would inevitably get sillier and sillier until
atheists could easily dunk on it without a running start but the second somewhat less obvious one
is that this process doesn't have any logical end point save the dissolution of the entire religion. In other words, all of the world's religions are still getting dumber.
And they always will be.
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In our lead story tonight, when it comes to Republican educational educational reform it's not enough to just take true things out you also have to put false things in and complete the circle
and we're going to open up this segment talking about two efforts to do so in texas that are being
debated as we record one would require the 10 commandments to be prominently displayed in
every single texas classroom from kindergarten on up and And the other one, believe it or not, is way the fuck worse.
Okay, I get that teachers in Texas might want anti-murdering visual aids,
but that's like the worst one you can pick, right?
So, okay, so let's start with this Ten Commandments bullshit.
This one is SB 1515, and it's a companion in the state house, HB 3448.
And it's clearly heard about a lot of the shenanigans that we
secularists have pulled in response to laws forcing schools to post in god we trust shit
so it's super specific about you know yeah you have to post all 12 of the 10 commandments and
they must be prominently displayed on a sign that measures at least 16 by 20 inches that's um
40 by 50 centimeters if you're a communist thank you you're welcome it has to be it's it actually
says it has to be legible.
They have to use the King James version.
Doing technicality school.
Yep.
It has to be readable from any point in the room.
What?
Okay, so all rooms have to be empty.
Got it.
Yeah, right.
No one tall can stand in front of anyone.
No physical objects.
No blind people are allowed in school.
They did not, however, think to specify that they needed to be in English.
So Chaz Stevens is no doubt having some Arabic language ones printed as we speak.
Excellent.
And I will be sending a whole bunch of 16 by 20 inch golden calf statues with a flat side for the commandments.
There's no rule about obeying the commandments, just displaying in your face.
That's fair. I also noticed that they've set a minimum size, but they didn't set a maximum size.
So how about we just send them a sign that is exactly three inches smaller in all directions
than the dimension of the classroom and then force them to display that?
There's no way they can say that doesn't fulfill the visibility requirement.
Right? Yeah. But again,
that's the less disturbing of the two bills. The other one, SB 763, would seek to tackle the
endemic shortage of qualified counselors in Texas public schools by adding unqualified ones.
Specifically, the bill would allow schools to hire chaplains in lieu of the legally required
school counselor. And the bill goes out of its way to emphasize that the chaplains in lieu of the legally required school counselor.
And the bill goes out of its way to emphasize that the chaplains are, quote,
not required to be certified by the State Board of Education certification, end quote.
In other words, no qualifications whatsoever are required for this publicly funded position.
Written by people with no qualifications whatsoever for their publicly funded positions. Written by people with no qualifications whatsoever
for their publicly funded positions.
Guess that tracks.
Terrifyingly true, yeah.
Now, of course,
nothing in the bill says
that the chaplains
would have to be Christian,
but obviously they all would be, right?
Like no Texas school
is going to bring in a mom
to talk to their students
about test anxiety.
No, that's true.
But hiring a Buddhist
might help the kids
deal with flunking.
You didn't fail.
You achieved a state
of academic nothingness.
That could work.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Well, and it's also worth noting,
since it's probably cheaper
to hire a pastor
who just really wants
a captive audience
than it is to hire
an actual qualified counselor,
social worker, or psychologist,
no doubt many cash-strapped schools
will replace secular
help with religious bullshit. It would, this is true, be more beneficial to students if they
replaced counselors with a goddamn Ouija board. And in motor cardinal sin news, the gap between
committed Christian and deranged conspiracy theorists continued to be
slimmer than a communion wafer this week, with the Catholic Herald jumping on board the latest
paranoia du jour, the 15-minute city. Well, yeah, if Catholic mass has anything to go by,
they do hate doing things quickly, so... Right. Now, I'm sure there's many listeners and possibly
a few cohorts who might not heard about the whole 15-minute city idea, but it's basically a concept dreamed up by city planning nerds to make it easier for you to get to the grocery store or to your kid's school or to your local doctor.
The idea is that everything you need for your day-to-day life ought to be accessible within about a 15-minute walk of where you are, thus allowing us to save time and help our local communities thrive
and drive our gas-guzzling cars less.
Boo! Boo nerd hates freedom.
Un-American. Absolutely not.
And to achieve this goal, city planners will put in place schemes
discouraging drivers from driving through the busiest parts of the city,
meaning that if you are going to drive,
you just have to take the slightly longer way around.
That's basically the entire idea.
Well, yeah, right.
It's basically what if things were better?
So we can already see why Catholics have an issue with it, I think, right?
Sure.
Look, I can already tell this probably seems completely ridiculous to you guys
because where you are, anything within a 15-hour drive
is considered a reasonable commute.
But for those of us who don't want to spend our entire lives
staring at some other guy's tailpipe,
being able to walk to get groceries is pretty desirable.
Okay, but Marsh, have you seen us walk
to have all that stuff within 15 minutes for us in America?
That's like geometrically impossible
to smush all that together so close.
Like, I know you're married to a cartoon speed walker,
but to picture the average American
and now add the amount of food
you imagine being purchased
by the average American for the walk home
is even tougher.
Okay, okay, that's fair.
You think it's ridiculous
and so do the Catholic Herald
who are pretty sure this whole idea
is just full socialism
and not even the sell your
worldly possessions, give to the poor, eye of a needle, et cetera, kind of socialism either.
As writer James Jeffrey outlined in an op-ed entitled The Catholic Argument Against 15 Minute
Cities, there's just something about the thought of improved local infrastructure that's just too
authoritarian, he says. And by that, he means too authoritarian for Catholics. Right. The obey my every whim or you're damned to eternal
hellfire guys, those Catholics. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, back to our list of which types
of consensual sex you're allowed to have. And the best thing about all of this panic is that at its
core, the idea amounts to a few traffic calming measures.
And so to object to something that benign, they've got to exaggerate to just insane degrees.
Like Jeffrey deserves some kind of medal for his effort where he manages to compare municipal fines by Oxford City Council to the actual Taliban.
What?
To the Taliban.
The Taliban.
See, okay, this is why we never should have pulled out of Afghanistan.
It's grocery fascism is going to pop up.
That's why we were there, preventing that.
So as Jeffrey wrote, quote,
I've experienced transport being excessively controlled by the Taliban,
and I can assure you it sucks.
Their IED campaign in Afghanistan's Helmand province
was so deadly effective that the British Army
lost its freedom of movement.
Admittedly, the use of IEDs
is an extreme form of traffic fines.
What?
But the principle is the same.
Someone else interdicting your movement.
Close quote.
An extreme form of traffic fine?
Yeah, much like carpet bombing is an extreme form of plowing i guess yeah you know lots of people forget about the commute in dresden after that
whole thing it was fucking exhausting and that's the point and look i get it i get it i completely
get what jeffrey means because you know i've never had had my head cut off by ISIS insurgents as part of a brutal terrorist attack.
But I have had some of my hair
cut off by someone
I've paid to give me a haircut.
And in both cases,
the principle is the same
in that it's sharp objects
cutting stuff.
Yeah.
Same sharpness, sharp.
I see two things that are the same.
Okay, so this was
the Catholic argument
against the Taliban,
not against the 15-minute city.
The goalpost went from farmer's market to Taliban within like a paragraph.
It did, it did.
Now, obviously, this is just a ridiculous attempt by the Catholic Herald
to try and be relevant by jumping into culture wars
about them damn wokes and their climate change agenda. But I do think this is a bit hypocritical of the Catholics in particular,
because a lot of the objections to 15-minute cities from the conspiracy theorists
boil down to essentially the fear that there's an obscenely wealthy global network of organizations
that are determined to enrich themselves by lying to us, stealing our personal freedoms,
exerting complete control over our behavior, and putting our kids in harm's way. All of which is the Catholic Church's whole deal.
That's their whole thing. They are not in the position to cast the first stone here.
I think not. And next up in headlines, we have a story about Chaz Stevens, the goat of
anti-theocracy trolling.
He's a math nerd who lives in Florida,
and apparently he's pretty comfortable financially.
Maybe he's retired, I don't know.
So he spends most of his time
coming up with amusing ways
to fuck with Christian right lawmakers.
He's kind of like us,
but with money, he's financially comfortable.
And his latest move
is a delightful version
of malicious compliance
regarding the ridiculous new laws
about book banning in Florida.
Last week,
he wrote a letter
to the administration
of the Broward County
public school system
demanding that they remove
every single book
from their libraries
because he finds
every single book
in their libraries offensive.
And according to the wording of their law that's just about to pass he is allowed to do that and they do indeed
have to deal with it amazing and look if your standard is book that contradicts the teaching
of the bible which is the standard that a lot of those parents are using that does describe all of
books right yes right and i and i include the bible when i say
that yeah plus i'm pretty sure all those books have arabic numerals on every single page and
that's just indoctrination at that point yeah so big thanks to alan for sending the link skating
news at gmail.com great stuff okay so the whole weird oddly sexual email rewards but that's just
for when eli's here then is it is it? Okay. Yeah, right.
I mean, I thought maybe you'd have one, but you didn't.
So one of the letters from Chaz
was targeting the proposed legislation called HB 1069.
It's basically an expansion of the fucking don't say gay bill.
And it's almost certainly going to become the law very soon.
Aside from the standard bigot boilerplate
that they always put in stuff like this, it would give panicky Florida parents the right to personally object to any book
in the curriculum and or any book offered at the school library. The bill says, quote,
any material that is subject to an objection must be removed within five school days of receipt of
the objection and remain unavailable to students until the objection is resolved. Parents shall have the right to read passages of any material that is subject to an objection.
If the school board denies a parent the right to read passages from that content,
the school district shall discontinue the use of that material, end quote.
Wait, so the parents have to be able to read the books themselves?
This is Florida.
Schools have been denying Floridians the right to be able to read
for generations.
Yeah.
There's another loophole in there for sure.
So Chaz sent a letter
to Broward County schools
that both objected
to every single book they have
and also demanded to review
every single book
that received an objection.
That is now about
55,000 books
or all of them.
It's amazing how well you can demonstrate the stupidity of their laws by using them, right?
By just using.
Doing the law.
Yeah, malicious compliance is a beautiful thing when they're this ridiculous with the law.
And here's a few highlights from the letter.
After quoting their own stupid law, he explained that he finds math to be very
sexual and honestly strong agree.
Oh, multiplicationist. That's
fucking. And he also finds any
mention of dangling
participles to be inappropriate for kids.
And then he writes, quote,
it's my intention to use this
stupid rule of theirs as stupidly
as possible. The current
legislation makes no demand upon a
requester's agenda, nor mindset, nor ongoing use of brown acid. We've already had to deal
with frivolous demands, including the ban of Huck Finn in Tampa. So, well, here we are.
Even if you deny 55,000 book requests, you'll need to process each and every request.
thousand book requests you'll need to process each and every request sorry in advance and nothing personal but please stand by for an incoming barrage of bullshit end quote okay so yeah and
admittedly the math thing's funny the dangling participle bit is brilliant but neither of them
is dumber than objecting to michelangelo's david because his dick's out right right like i
appreciate chaz's enthusiasm here,
but it was only a matter of time before some Florida parent
actually did this for realsies.
That's true.
Although, please stand by
for an incoming barrage of bullshit.
Might as well be Florida state motto.
It should be written on the wealthy signs
when you enter the state.
And the license plates, yeah.
We'll send you some giant ones.
You guys can put them up.
Also worth noting, Chaz recently sent another letter to Broward County making a similar point, but citing the existing law called HB 1467.
That law is also about public school curriculum and parental read Christian rights about book banning.
So Chaz wrote as allowed under Florida law HB 1467.
I'm seeking the permanent online slash offline ban of the dictionary.
And he explained that many of the words in that book
can be considered offensive or even violent.
No, that's true.
So, yeah, Florida Republicans wrote laws that would ban
a list of the words that make up our language.
That's a thing they did.
Like, okay, yeah, they're evil,
but at least they're fucking stupid too.
Yeah.
Something to cling to there.
There's another motto for them.
It's been the silver lining of this entire decade.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, on the off chance that Chaz is successful in his dictionary ban,
I think we need to start harvesting good obscure word insults
for when they're not allowed to look up what we just said anymore.
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dude started preaching to an entire airplane full of people and playing worship songs and his stupid
little guitar like the dude literally brought me a weapon or or honestly a suppository depending
on how quick the other passengers were to pull me off of him.
But it turns out that that's not even the worst place to start randomly preaching to a captive audience that doesn't want to hear your bullshit, which we learned last week when evangelical douche nozzle Ryan Foley barged into the cafeteria of a Nebraska public high school and started screaming to the captive audience about the dangers of sin
and the powers of Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Well, I'm normally anti-bullying,
but if this does not end
with an atomic wedgie somehow,
I'm going to be very disappointed.
Yeah, that's fair.
In all the bullies.
I'd never seen this guy before
and now I've seen him,
I've got to know,
how is he only 20?
In his TikTok videos, he looks like he's
just escaped after being held hostage in the desert by ISIS for three months. He looks so rough.
Yeah. So yeah, so he apparently told the school that he was just there to pick up his transcripts,
but on the way out, he passed through the cafeteria and decided to yell about the power of
Jesus. And honestly, I encourage you to watch the TikTok videos on this because it's as hilarious as it is enraging.
He starts the whole thing by telling everybody that when he was a student at the school, he was really popular and, quote, slept with anyone I wanted, end quote.
But then he found out.
That's exactly what the student body was doing.
I've had sex with a woman.
Dude, just say your thing.
Right, yeah.
Made it worse.
Well, pretty much the entire student body starts cracking the
fuck up the instant he says the word
Jesus. And then some fucking
shop teacher shows up to escort
him out while he rails about the dangers
of Satan over his shoulders.
Yeah. But like, I was really
popular until I found Jesus
is what counts for this guy's sales pitch.
So I'm guessing those school transcripts
he was picking up,
it didn't include
any lessons in marketing.
Yeah, right, right.
If you want to sleep
with anybody you want,
avoid my religion.
Yeah.
It's a really sad song
in High School Musical.
I was really popular
until I found Jesus.
Now, of course,
this is disturbing
for way more reasons
than just the church
state separation stuff.
After all, this bullshit happened on the same day as another school shooting,
a distinction that the rest of the world refers to as a weekday, I think.
So there are all kinds of reasons to worry about deranged adults getting unapproved access to schools full of kids.
Yeah, and adults who use that access to brag about how much fucking they did in high school.
No less, yes.
So following some outraged feedback from parents, the school issued a statement the following
day, ensuring parents that they were reevaluating all their security procedures and moving a
lot of administrative shit to online only.
Now, given that this is Nebraska, I'm inclined to think that the outrage had less to do with
the evangelism and more to do with the fact that some of his TikTok videos fully admits
that he's watched a lot of trans and gay porn in his life. And that eventually led him to, quote, act on his
homosexual desires, end quote. But the key here is that they're moving to a place where it takes
more than I want to see how many A's I got again for a former student to get unfettered access to
a room full of students. Yeah, I can't imagine he got a lot of A's, but it sounds like he got plenty
of D's anyway.
He's just looking at the transcript.
You need to add
lots of sex right here at the bottom.
Does it say anything here about how
popular I was? It doesn't mention my popularity
at all. You guys get back. I'll come
back tomorrow. And
finally tonight, in
Raising Cane news,
Chief of Police for the entire nation of Colombia,
General Henry Sanabria,
is convinced that the Christian God of the universe
has been on their side for decades.
To be clear, on the side of law enforcement
in the country of Colombia.
Really?
Yeah, apparently God had a bit of a habit at some point.
Nobody's perfect.
Nobody's perfect.
Whatever.
Regardless, according to Sanabria,
the biggest weapons at the disposal
of Colombian law enforcement
are prayer and exorcism.
They fight lots of literal demons,
according to Sanabria,
and the reason the cops win all the time
is indeed catholic magic
yeah i mean seventh highest murder rate in the world i'm just like maybe you leave the demons
alone for a bit and you tackle the human criminals for a couple of days you know what you do you do
you maybe focus up you do yeah so big thanks to h heiska for sending the link scathing news
gmail.com if you want to help out. So we learned about this
very unorthodox law enforcement
technique when General Sanabria did
an interview last week with Semana
Magazine. The interview was conducted
inside his insane
torture-themed office
full of Catholic tchotchkes
and a comically
oversized statue of Jesus
on the cross. Yeah.
It's absurd.
It's amazing.
I put a photo in the notes here so you guys can see it.
I also found a different photo from a different room
with that exact same ridiculous statue.
So either this guy has a bunch of these enormous blood spattered things
or he carries around the same one everywhere he goes
and puts it behind him for every photo op.
Either way, it's insane.
Yeah, normally this is a necklace.
So now we should be clear to the listeners,
this statue includes all the whip marks and shit.
So it looks like Jesus just gave his cat a pill.
It's insane for a giant tortured to death guy statue.
Thank you.
Right?
It is.
He's also, he stood in front of it like he's proudly showing off what they confiscate in a drugs raid as well.
He's so proud of it.
Just like slapping it.
And this motherfucker said he was the king of the Jews.
Yeah.
It's so crazy.
Look this up if you get a chance.
He sees this thing every day.
It takes up like half the office.
It must.
He has to like duck to get around it,
to sit down.
So big.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe there's a law saying
that he has to have it in his office
and it has to be big enough
to be seen from any part of the room.
Where's Columbia's Shaz Estebals
when you need him to really test these laws?
So the interview started with, I'm assuming, just like a basic question for the general.
And this guy immediately launched into a tirade about his Catholic anti-demon magic.
Like he was going to do that no matter what the first question was.
He said that Colombian law enforcement has been doing the Catholic magic for at least 50 years now.
And this led to the capture of several major criminals, including Pablo Escobar in 1993 using anti-demon magic.
Jesus dicked around on that one for like almost 20 years, but he eventually got around to taking this series.
So Colombia has a strong Catholic tradition, but it is a relatively
secular country at this point in terms of government. And it was nice to hear a little
bit of sanity from President Gustavo Petro. The interview with Sanabria sparked a pretty big
debate in the country. One side was pointing out there's a wizard guy in charge of the entire
national police force. And the other side was pointing out there's a wizard guy in charge of the entire national police force and the other side was pointing out there's a wizard guy in charge of the entire national police force so in response president petro he did his
best to explain like yeah we know that guy's a fucking crazy person we're keeping tabs just be
cool about it without actually saying those exact words he said quote we know the beliefs of the
general but we try to make sure that these beliefs
do not affect the rules.
In actual quote.
I mean, look, we know they're crazy,
but we're hoping to contain it
as basically how we run our courts
and our Congress at this point.
So I guess we can't really cast stones.
Yeah, and I get it.
You know, I agree with Petra.
You know, policing, it just isn't an area
where God ought to be meddling.
My Christ.
Mwah.
I'm so happy about that.
Meddling.
Oh, that's so good.
I'm so mad I didn't find a way to work that out.
Well done.
Okay.
I'm so mad.
Like I said, they're better at wordplay, man.
It's a whole country.
It's so smooth.
Okay.
One other thing.
I want to give a little credit to CBS News.
They ended their article about this by adding almost exact quote,
in recent days, Columbia employed more traditional methods to tackle crime,
like when the Navy intercepted two giant submarines full of cocaine,
just, you know, regular without magic.
They do real police things too all right well apparently i've got to do aacon without my cocaine submarines now so i've got some phone calls to
make i suppose uh that's gonna have to do it for the headlines heath marsh thanks as always and or
occasionally as the case may be jumanji and when we come back we'll experience the level of
incomprehensibility immediately above speaking in tongues on the Nonsense Tile.
You know, when you get 500 plus episodes deep into a podcast about atheism and skepticism,
people sometimes ask how you find new questions to tackle after so long.
But then I remind them that included in the questions we have to tackle are things like, okay, but then who taught the reptilian overlords
how to manipulate genes in the first place?
And then they understand.
And then they also generally offer me a
hug. And yes, that is pretty much exactly
the question we're going to be tackling on this week's
God Awful
Mini.
So tell us, Heath, what will we be breaking
down today?
We watched What You Need to Know about the reptilian alien race.
It's the story of what happens when you don't have a coherent narrative like David Icke,
but you try to talk about that stuff.
I missed David Icke as we were watching this.
It was really rough.
It was a weird emotion. We get a little bit of Icke.
We do get a little bit of Icke.
At least we get to look at him.
He's presented as an expert.
It's so sad.
It's so sad.
Well, sort of.
Sort of.
And Marsh, how bad was this mini?
Well, if you loved the stories that you used to make up about your action figures when you were eight years old,
but you really want to hear them recounted,
half remembered by someone deep in the grip of a psychotic episode,
you will love this movie.
Yes.
All right, is there anything you guys want to nominate this one
for being the best at being the worst at?
Yeah, I'm going to come right out with best worst Bible justification
because I have watched a lot of longer films with you.
And in the past, it's been like, oh, this is quite a long film.
I'm not sure how they're going to get any biblical stuff in here.
And then suddenly they take a turn
and manage to get it in.
But somehow this seems to
squeeze in that late Bible turn
to something that's only 15 minutes long.
It's like, this isn't going to be Bible-y.
This can't possibly be Bible-y.
Oh, wow, they got there.
That's impressive.
Yeah.
Basically an end card that's like,
and the Bible is real.
And also Jesus.
Also plus Jesus.
See, I was going to go with best worst smart guy sentence structure this is what i call cop speak
when you have somebody who's like trying to speak and sound more intelligent than they really are
like throughout it's it's it's a ton of fun we have a lot of fun yeah and the narrator is like
carl the pug peg corn the cop also like That's the voice that we're literally hearing throughout.
He starts off trying to do like a Morpheus voice,
but it does not stick.
No.
He's pretty bored.
Okay.
I was going to go with best worst argument
with absolutely nobody.
Right?
So the whole thing is this crazy narrator guy,
I think in an argument with somebody,
but we don't hear the other side of the phone call
we just hear him so he's explaining his insane thing and then he'll be like okay but what about
mermaids you might ask well they're fucking real who asked you what where are these questions coming
from so yes all right so first note i have on this one is man nothing screams this is a video
i should take seriously like a kaleidoscope opening.
But apparently that's the production logo.
Yeah.
They called themselves kaleidoscope
after the kaleidoscope filter
that they found in Premiere Pro or something.
Right.
I wasn't paying attention to this part.
I was just like, I'm on rumble.
This is bad.
I feel like this is going to,
and I'm radicalized as a white nationalist.
Fuck.
What happened?
Algorithm got me.
So we get this slow motion crowd shot and he goes,
there may be an evil among us.
Yeah.
And at that moment,
there's a guy in an Ed Hardy shirt walking right towards the camera.
And I was like,
okay,
I see what you're saying.
It's him.
It's him.
So he's like,
he's like,
okay,
so there's two things that you need to know about the reptilian
alien overlords.
And I was like, I feel like it's more than that.
Otherwise, that's going to be a very short video.
I think it's less than that.
I think it's less than one of the things that I need to know.
He also says that this is an evil that's been with man since his inception.
It's like, yeah, you know,
ever since humanity was founded,
established, organized.
Also, can we talk about
how this guy said,
this is all about
benevolent aliens.
Menevolent!
Enjoy my serious documentary
about the benevolent aliens.
The secret reptiles
are the most notoriously
benevolent aliens. Yes. But I guess that's the secret kind of are the most notoriously malevolent
aliens
yes
I guess
that's the
secret kind
of notoriety
then I guess
because they're
secret and
notorious
he goes
is this all
science fiction
or hidden
truth
and I'm like
oh I know
this one
I know
this one
actually
yeah is
this true
or is this
just a bunch
of lies
who can
tell
and then we open on this old footage right of some dude talking about aliens and and i i wrote my
notes at this point i'm like how could this be both wrong and old does a surprising amount of
work in the world of pseudoscience right yes yeah yeah this is this is alex collier who apparently
is talking while his interviewer is off-screen knitting by the sound of the audio.
Because there's just a constant click and clack going on.
Oh, my God.
Fun fact, Alex Collier, his website identifies him as a, quote, Andromedan contactee.
It does.
So, let's take this guy super serious.
That's a resume bullet point if I ever heard one right there.
Well, and then he immediately starts
ranking the alien races.
It's like, oh, wow, you're earning your way
onto the God of a Many here.
Okay, Noah's not exaggerating.
He ranks them by quality
or by amount of danger
or skill against humans.
He's like the Orion group.
I thought it was like an org chart.
But actually the Alpha Draconis
are the real culprits above the Orion
group. And then there's the greys
also, but they're like third, I would say.
In what? What are
the units of this measurement?
They're not assistant regional alien.
They're assistant to the regional alien.
And is this
where he says about the aliens,
there are several stories behind
their existence? It's like, yeah, because true things
need a variety of backstories.
Right, so
that's when the Alex Collier interview wraps
up, the narrator cuts back in, and he's
like, really, and he spends most
of the video trying to reconcile
the fact that, like, everybody's
bullshit on this is different
right but he's like but but it's all
equally true there's just a lot
of interpretation going on
see this is where we first
see David Icke right and he's like
some people have too coherent
of a narrative
David Icke is presented as knowing
too much factual
information
to the point where they're making out that he's a plant yeah right I guess they're going for the David Icke is presented as knowing too much factual information.
To the point where they're making out that he's a plant.
Yeah, right.
I guess they're going for that David Icke's in on it.
Yeah. So to learn about conspiracies like this, it has to be a medium amount of data that you have.
I don't know.
David Icke knows too much, though.
The idea that David Icke knows too much, that is one accusation that has never been leveled at David Icke before.
It's possibly the only one that's never been leveled at David Icke before.
This guy knows too much.
Okay, he's choking on a cookie.
He's choking on a cookie.
The guy who knows too much.
So he eventually wraps up by going like,
but in the end, it doesn't matter if our stories are consistent.
And I'm like, yeah, man, you got us there.
Also, the narrator, just just again to describe the voice
we're hearing it sounds like a kid reading three or four levels above his reading level like a
grade or three or four they made him read a sentence he does not do well with like multiple
clauses it's very confusing to him there's also this great line. He starts talking about the aliens that existed before earth.
And he says they were the carrions.
And yes,
it's exactly what you think it is.
And I'm like,
you are overestimating how much I am thinking about what you're saying,
dude.
I want to turn this off.
I don't understand exactly.
No,
no,
come on.
I thought this is obvious.
The carrions are exactly what you think,
you know?
And I was thinking,
what is it like rotting flesh?
Like airline hand luggage?
Or did I just mishear and say carrions?
Like there's something in those areas.
But apparently he thinks that carrion means bird.
Right?
Because of ravens, I guess.
Well, yeah, because he sees vultures.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
He eats carrions.
Yeah, right, right.
And he doesn't know that one is the food
and the other is the animal, apparently.
They could grip it by the husk in their claw.
The carrion bird.
And then he tells us,
no, it's a race of alien bird people
and their parents were a feline race.
And I'm like,
I don't think that would have worked out well at all.
Yeah, it was a weird parental dynamic.
The bird people were like,
ah, you had a cat, honey.
What's been going on
with you recently?
But ultimately,
the felines taught the birds
the secrets of genetic manipulation.
Right.
And don't ask me how,
but somehow he says
the felines
in exactly the same way
that a men's rights activist
says females. And I don't know how he hit the tone so in exactly the same way that a men's rights activist says females.
And I don't know how he gets the term so perfectly.
I think he's required to be on Rumble.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
And the bird people,
they learned the trick from the cat people.
So I assume the trick is to like open dolls
or to knock stuff off shells when they're hungry.
Those are the only two tricks.
That's how you genetically modify.
Yeah.
And then he goes, he goes goes are you with me so far and all of us wrote down some form of not even close to
i tried to summarize it in my own head here i was like okay a cat alien fucked a bird and made a
dinosaur yada yada yada, yada.
George Soros got Trump indicted.
Okay, just get to your fucking point.
I know you're going to land there.
This is on Rumble.
Let's go.
So they mingled their genetics
with the reptilians that were already there
on the paradise planet.
And that gave birth to the quote,
humanoid dinosaur super monster,
the Alpha Draconian.
He goes, and he actually says, I love this line so much.
He goes, well, folks, I guess that answers our questions about dinosaurs.
And I'm like, man, you and I have very different questions about dinosaurs.
That doesn't answer a single question of mine about dinosaurs.
It answers my questions about your sexual thoughts right now in your life about
cat bird dinosaur things but that's about it and then he describes the alpha draconian like he's
the flavor text of a boss fight right he's like they have two hearts and a very large liver why
do i give a shit how big their liver is well i was going to try to out drink them until you said
that okay this is the argument side we're not hearing.
Some guy was like, but is their liver big?
And he was like, very large liver.
Yeah.
What?
And I thought, well, you know, they've got an enlarged liver,
which is often a sign of cancer or heart disease.
So I hope they got checked out by one of the cat people
to make sure that they were actually all right.
He also explains that they can live up to a thousand to four thousand years.
Yeah.
What does he think up to does in a sentence?
Just say four thousand.
You've given a three thousand grade.
Can they not die at nine hundred?
I don't, yeah.
And we should point out here
that the entire time he's saying this,
we're looking at a picture of a dragon
in a suit of armor, standing bipedally with the sword.
And he's like, now take this very seriously.
This is very serious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I swear this entire video is just an excuse for him to claim that lizard bird man model as a business expense.
If he wanted the model, he's got to justify it.
That thing is a giant like crucifix statue in his office
somewhere for sure. Probably.
And he goes, actually,
you know, the book of, you know,
this may sound like nonsense, but the book of
Genesis, and I'm like, oh, okay, very reliable
source. It says the book of Genesis
has many references to monsters,
dragons,
lions. Nope.
I mean yeah lions
those are real
man
that's just an animal
does he not believe in lions
also
they don't mention lizards
so it's like
it's not making his point
it says lions
but not lizards
well right yeah
and he's like
well you know
Greeks and Sumerians
and India
they all had serpents
in their mythology I'm like again that's a real animal bro they had all of them
he goes china fucking wall-to-wall dragons i'm still not reptile people though
they wrote genesis in china right that was what
so and then he explains that dinosaur fossils are actually draconian fossils and he
shows a t-rex but i'm like okay but what about all the other dinosaurs were there little tiny
chicken sized draconians because that sounds adorable with their little tiny suits of armor
and his segue here was like now what i find interesting about the draconians, and I was like, dude, I will blow you.
I don't care.
Just shut the fuck up.
Oh, my God.
You've definitely had sex by somebody who was like, just if you shut up, I'll do whatever.
It's fine.
And then he also says, he's like, maybe it's not that reptiles came from dinosaurs, but the dinosaurs came from reptiles.
And I mean, what?
Like, that's accidentally correct.
Like,
yeah,
he's too uninformed to correctly be wrong about this.
Maybe squares came from rectangles.
Maybe cup of water came from bigger cup of water.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
He's just,
he's confusing an example of a category with the whole category.
His whole argument can be debunked by a dictionary.
Right.
Or a Venn diagram, just the concept of.
Well, he does misuse the phrase for example here.
So yeah, I don't know if we can explain that.
He goes, now, when you go to research reptilians, I'm like, that's not what research means. He says, you'll be amazed at how long and how prolifically people have been wrong
about this.
Yeah.
So he's like loads of people have been wrong about this in the past.
So it must be true.
Yeah.
Right.
Yep.
And at this point he's like,
yeah,
no,
this is a really serious problem.
We're worshiping dragons and that they're evil alien dragons.
Very serious.
And we're for like a minute.
We're looking on the screen at a balloon animal.
Yes.
For so long.
Well, he tries to make a serious point.
Right.
And pretty sure that's the dragon from Mulan, no less.
Yeah.
He goes and basically he says, like, point he's like okay so if lizard gods
aren't real then who the hell were the ancient mesoamericans sacrificing people to yeah and i'm
like i'll admit i have not heard that argument before no it's incredible he's doing the die for
eliza he goes now i'm assuming that you guys all know about how angels fell from the heaven
and then they fucked people, ladies, and they made half fallen angel hybrids.
And I'm like, I don't like the assumptions you're making about me.
And I also don't like the fact that they're correct.
Also, he says something along the lines of like, all right, well, we all know lizard
aliens and fallen angel demons are going to have some friction.
This town ain't big enough for both of them.
You can't have both of those things.
That would be crazy.
So they must be the same.
Right.
What?
What?
What logical steps did he take?
What would.
OK, what would happen?
What would go wrong if there were lizard aliens and demons
yeah that's such a weird fucking line he's like you can't tell me that evil reptilian aliens and
demons both exist i'm like i'm not the one telling you any of this shit man i'm telling us that you
idiot put the other guy on the line whoever you're arguing with get get both of you in this what is
happening and the fact is like he's saying like so these two things can't both be true.
But his answer then is that, so one of them is?
These two dumb ideas are too stupid to both be true.
Therefore, we can assume one of them is true.
I don't know how that works.
Jesus Christ.
Subsets are very tricky for him, yes.
And this is why he tells us that he's been researching this
for days.
Like days, I tell you.
Days I've been on this.
I got to bed kind of late.
And this is also,
this is the part where he starts
trying to use the voice modulator thing
and it sounds like,
like he's doing a different voice.
Like he sounds like a kid
trying to do grown up
except he's already a grown up.
It's so good.
I laughed so hard when the modulator came on because
it's clearly him and he kind of
like darked himself out like he's in witness
protection. And it was like,
the Andromeda Council chose me to
deliver the message to the humans.
I'm a different guy from
the narrator.
And it's because he's seen whistleblowers
on TV and he's like, okay, so when he's seen whistleblowers on TV.
And he's like, okay,
so when you get a whistleblower,
they're sat in the dark
with a voice modulator.
That makes what they're saying
is true.
That is the error
that he's made there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And by the way,
we're being really kind
when we say voice modulator.
He has just lowered the pitch
on this voice, right?
If we raise the pitch,
it's his voice again.
And then he's like,
he's like, well, you know,
you have a lot of people
who are trying to channel
these reptilians and that's not a good idea at all. And I'm like, well, you know, you have a lot of people who are trying to channel these reptilians, and that's not
a good idea at all. And I'm like, well,
I agree, but I feel like we got
there from different directions.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
This way, he's like, he says,
people need to stop talking to aliens. And I wrote,
guys, stop talking to aliens. Like, come
on, guys. We've been over this. Just
stop talking to aliens.
Now, to be clear clear his issue with this with
these aliens is their trustworthiness though right they might be lying
there's also this bizarre because this is where he brings up adam and eve right he's like oh if
you're talking to lizard aliens you're doing making the same mistake that eve made and then
there's this weird moment where he's like tell me she didn't fuck that snake right am i making this like he
seems to be suggesting that satan took the form of a dildo okay he actually says all right well
this was all rooted in sex obviously and all types of sex and i was like oh my god please
have this guy list the types of sex in his head. Just this guy being like,
regular,
slower,
man or lady,
sand.
But his whole thing of like,
he's trying to suggest the serpent was a penis and I really want that to be what happened.
I want to see him illustrate the Bible,
the Garden of Eden,
just even the talking dick
is what I really want to see here illustrate the Bible, the Garden of Eden. Just Eve and the talking dick is what I really want to see here.
And he's like, think about it.
If it wasn't a penis that we were talking about,
why would it be telling Eve about nakedness and stuff?
And I'm like, well, the real answer is because that story
doesn't make any fucking sense, bro.
I don't know what you want me to say.
Oh, and this is where he also says,
what was Eve really doing in that garden?
And I was like yeah
was was the garden of eden an inside job like if you look carefully man doesn't fall that fast it
had to be a controlled decision yeah yeah she says what if i told you that serpent in eden
was actually uh you know catbird dragon gargoyle demon who controls the world
banking system. And I was like, okay, man, I'd be
equally confident about the Bible
if he told me. I don't understand what point you're making.
And then he starts...
So then we get our final... He's going to summarize
his let's call them thoughts
as we zoom slowly in
towards him sitting on a
couch with a hoodie on.
Right? And he's like he's like you know what do
you do you know everything that you really need to know about reptilians dude i will say whatever
answer you want if you're done what's the test man yeah do you know what you really need to know
i wrote i feel like i know a lot less than I need to know due to this film. It's not falling out of my head.
And then he's like, the alien lizards are masters of seduction.
And I'm like, seduction? Are you fucking
a reptile, dude? You have to tell us who you are.
And the immediate
next line, he says, they're masters of seduction.
They'll appear to you big and
hairy, tall and
scaly. I'm like, those are the descriptors you
associate with
master of sedction, eh?
And then it ends
and we get this comically long, like
you keep thinking it's going to be over
scroll. It's so good.
Yeah.
Because just the way they spaced out the
text, it was like, okay, well that one's
nope. There's another one. One more. And I'm just like, I'm trying to leave the text. It was like, okay, well that one's nope. There's another one.
One more. And I'm just like,
I'm trying to leave the movie. I'm backing
out of the movie. I'm talking over my shoulder,
but I know actually you said something else.
I'm in the car. I don't know. I can see your
mouth moving, but I'm driving away. I'm driving away
from the movie. God, this
whole thing. Noah, you must
have been there many times. Was this whole
thing not like identical to every
annoying drug buy you had to make in your life yes where you had to go to sit on this couch
forever and then they come out and they're like let's talk about the list and you're like just
just i will give you money extra i just want the drugs so the scroll comes up it goes the existence misspelled of extraterrestrials does not negate
god correct yeah sure yeah that's not the thing that negates god and then he goes then you think
it's over but then it comes up and it says what we see and what we believe can be two different
things and i'm like well if you've demonstrated nothing else here today sir
and then you think it's over and it comes up and it says the things we see in the dark you've demonstrated nothing else here today, sir.
And then you think it's over and it comes up and it says,
the things we see in the dark, in the shadows,
they should not be feared.
And I'm like, yeah, no, they mostly just turn out to be a weirdly stacked pile of laundry, generally speaking.
What are you talking about?
Yeah. Oh, that's my cat, actually.
It's fine. It's just my cat. It's fine.
Although my cat might give birth to a bird
and then things are going to start getting...
Well, that's...
Yeah, actually.
You got to look out for them.
And then right when you're like,
wow, this is really fucking funny.
The last line comes up and it says,
and if they live,
they can certainly die.
And I'm like,
but keep in mind,
this guy thinks Hillary Clinton is a reptile.
That just got really fucking scary at the end.
Yeah.
Yeah, it did.
And then the next thing we see is him saying, like and subscribe.
Yeah, right.
Reptiles are real.
Absolutely Hillary Clinton.
And don't forget to smash that sub button, guys.
Yes, right.
All right.
Well, this video was as much in a hurry to be over as we were for it to be over.
But there's always more.
So we'll see you again soon on the next God awful mini.
Before we take this one in for a landing tonight,
I want to remind you one last time that we're going to be hanging out at the
exhibitors hall at American atheist convention in Phoenix this weekend.
And we would love it.
If you came by to see us, check the show notes for more information anyway that's all the blessing
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Ugh.
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to put in here like you do for Jersey?
I can give you a range.
Pete Best, was it?
Pete Best, yeah. Yeah, sure. The fifth Beatle. Pete Best, was it? Pete Best, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
The fifth Beatle.
He was in that band?
Yeah.
He was for a little while.
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