The Scathing Atheist - ScathingAtheist 221: Recovering from Religion Edition

Episode Date: May 11, 2017

In this week’s episode, Andy Wakefield is a baby murdering piece of garbage, creationists get strangely angry about schools teaching the controversy over cisgender capitalism, and Gayle Jordan and Darrel Ray will be here to talk about recovering from religion in a non-reupholstering sense. To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click there: http://www.amazon.com/Diatribes-Godless-Misanthrope-Scathing-Presents-ebook/dp/B00J53FZFI/ref=sr11?ie=UTF8&qid=1396141562&sr=8-1 To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show’s hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies To get more info about our upcoming live tour, check here: https://scathingatheist.com/2017/05/01/god-awful-movies-world-tour/ Guest Links: Check out the Recovering from Religion Foundation Here: https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/ Sign up to volunteer here: https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/volunteer/ Learn more about the Secular Therapy Project here: https://www.seculartherapy.org/ Headlines: Trump’s latest XOs look to fuck church state separation as near to death as possible: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/politics/trump-religious-liberty-executive-order/ <> http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/05/04/171991/ <> http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/05/04/atheists-will-sue-donald-trump-over-his-executive-order-weakening-the-johnson-amendment/ Daubenmire will wear a tin foil hat to avoid chemtrails that cause Alzheimer's disease: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/im-gonna-err-on-the-side-of-tin-foil-hats-dave-daubenmire-suggests-chemtrails-are-causing-alzheimers-disease/ Daubenmire accuses women at Fox of “tempting men” into sexually harassing them: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/dave-daubenmire-the-leg-crossers-at-fox-news-are-titillating-men-into-sexually-harassing-them/ Rick Wiles fears computer is giant brain for Satan (yep, really) http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-theyre-building-a-global-brain-that-will-embody-lucifers-mind/ Measles outbreak in Minneapolis because people are stupid: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/03/526723028/autism-fears-fueling-minnesotas-measles-outbreak Kevin Swanson outlines school’s plans to turn kids into transgendered communists: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/05/04/pastor-kevin-swanson-public-schools-have-a-nefarious-plan-to-turn-kids-into-transgender-communists/ This Week in Misogyny: Women banished to huts during their period: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39734380# Cleric: During Jihad, Muslims can’t fuck women they own if those women are married: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/28/extremist-cleric-during-jihad-muslims-cannot-have-sex-with-enslaved-girls-if-they-get-married/ Boko Haram releases the girls it couldn’t sell: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/05/06/radical-islamic-group-boko-haram-frees-more-than-80-kidnapped-girls/ Greg Locke’s planned parenthood protest a bit underwhelming: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/27/this-is-the-saddest-planned-parenthood-protest-ive-ever-seen/

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Hello, I'm a guy who listens from England. I mean, literally, my name is Guy and I listen from England. I mean, literally, my name is Guy, and I listen from England. I went to the same thousand-year-old school as Stephen Hawking and Pope Adrian IV, where I learned that we are indeed descended from filthy monkey men. It's Thursday. It's May 11th. And I'm firing Noah and Heath, and it has nothing to do with the crawl space. Or Heath getting his shorts back. I'm Noah Lusions.

I'm Eli Bosnick. I'm Heath Enright. And from New York, New York and Secret Lair, Pennsylvania, this is The Skating Atheist. On this week's episode, Andy Wakefield is a baby murdering piece of shit. Creationists get strangely angry about schools teaching the controversy over cisgender capitalism. And Gail Jordan and Daryl Ray

will be here to talk about recovering from religion in a non-reupholstering sense. But first, the diatribe. didn't we learn this fucking lesson with socrates i mean blasphemy ireland you might as well just drop charges against stephen fry for cavorting with the accursed one to withhold the reins and when i say that, keep in mind what it takes in the present moment for an American to criticize another country's ability to govern itself. All right, so here's the story. A couple of years ago, Stephen Fry goes on Irish public television and he gets one of these bullshit, you know, what if you're wrong

about your atheism questions? Now, baked into those questions, of course, are always the assumption that your inquisitor's religion is right, but they rarely actually that so when i get these questions i often clarify by asking you mean if i found out the ancient egyptians were right and i should have been mummified but fry did better than i could have ever hoped to he let loose on an epic rant that has become iconic in the intervening years goes goes viral every three months or so this jackass asks him what he'll do if he shows up at the pearly gates and has to answer to God. And the first words out of his mouth are bone cancer and children. He spends a solid five minutes railing about what a cruel motherfucker the Christian God would have to be to create insects that exist by burrowing the corneas out of children. He calls the Christian God capricious,

mean-minded, evil, stupid, maniacal, selfish, and of course, non-existent. In the space of a couple of paragraphs, Stephen Fry destroys Christian mythology, shows why we're better off without it, and makes the interviewer really wish he'd gone with the boxers or briefs question after all. And along the way, he blasphemes a lot in legendary ways. And technically speaking, that's against the law in Ireland. So we get news last week that Fry is currently under investigation after a complaint was filed under the 2009 Defamation Act. The anonymous complainant says he wasn't reporting this because he was personally offended, but rather because it's against the law and he figured it was his duty as a citizen to tell the teacher when she came back in the classroom. So now, as is required by this stupid fucking law, the Irish government has to investigate to see whether Fry's tirade hurt Jesus's feelings.

Now, to be clear, there is no hemlock in Stephen Fry's future. Within days of the international publicity, the Irish government dropped the charges. But damn, does this offer us an opportunity to underscore all the progress we haven't made. I mean, how the fuck can a law like this sit in modern law books without all the other statutes just laughing it off the page i mean the fact that they dropped the charges makes it less cruel sure but not less stupid one way or the other you invested public resources investigating defamation against a fictional fucking character and one way or the other you're scaring off people tempted to speak out against the absurdity and abuses of the church that might not have the ability to garner

international press the way that stephen fry does right know, we tend to think of blasphemy laws as some vestigial remnant from the Irish Magna Carta or whatever, but we're talking about a law that went into effect in 2010. We've covered a number of stories since we started doing this show about European countries trying to pass new blasphemy laws or strengthen existing ones. Most often, it's justified as a means to combat Islamophobia or hate speech or whatever. But Riffer was originally designed to protect peyote-smoking natives. Regardless of what you think the value of their intent is, we already know what the result of these laws is, and there's no value in that.

And if you don't believe me, ask the mayor of Jakarta when he finishes serving his two-year sentence for a mistranslated subtitle. And I don't need to tell you, but there are plenty of places where you can still lose your life for this shit and you can bet your ass that these nations justify their laws in some degree by the fact that most other nations seem to agree that there's something criminally wrong about calling out god for being the poorly constructed literary villain that he is and look if he had to i bet stephen fry could probably prove that the christian god fictitious or otherwise is capricious mean-minded evil stupid maniacal

and selfish to the standard of any reasonable court but that's not how this shit works blasphemy laws aren't about whether or not a statement is true they're about whether it's offensive of course in practice they're rarely even about that most often they just exist so a ruling regime can imprison anybody they care to you know i don't think russia's harsh blasphemy laws are an outgrowth of putin's deep and abiding respect for religion, for example. But even when they function the way they're supposed to, they're stupid at best and barbaric at worst. And yet Western democracy seems perfectly willing in all too many cases to cede the moral high ground on this one and play along with a nonsensical notion that God is a thing that can be insulted. Now, you'll forgive me for talking so much about

an occupational hazard that probably doesn't affect you as much as me, but restrictions on speech are restrictions on ideas, and that's important enough to scare us all. It seems like even in this country, our commitment to free speech is starting to get a little fuzzy around the edges, and you don't need to paint any grand conspiracies to imagine the U.S. body politic coalescing some anti-hate speech groups and some progressive Christian groups and getting majority support for the exact same foot- the door bullshit that we're seeing in Ireland. And the fact that we were so quick to drop the charges against Stephen Fry is an admission that the law is bullshit. So why not go all the way and drop the fucking law? I mean, would the outcome have been the same if nobody was out there raising their voices to ridicule this archaic third world bullshit? Atheist Ireland put out a press release saying they welcome this investigation because it showcases, quote, a law that is silly, silencing and dangerous, end quote. But that only works if we showcase the fuck out of it. So, Ireland, if you're listening, even the country that elected Donald

Trump thinks you look stupid and also God is capricious, mean minded, evil, stupid, maniacal and selfish. Come at me, bro. They're talking about you, Jesus. We interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special news bulletin joining me for headlines tonight are two gentlemen who wish they were french heath ed right and eli bosnick fellas are you ready to recognize franco superiority at last yeah definitely but let's be clear about the bar they rolled over we're praising france for not electing the child of a Nazi as president. That person came in second

in their election, so congrats. Félicitations, great job. Actually, in the single most French thing ever to happen, abstaining from the election came in second, Nazi daughter came in third. Oh, right. Well, one way or the other, I feel like I need to brush

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No, they get it. They get it, Eli. Do they? Do you have a good day? Do you have a good day on Monday? And now, back to the headlines. In our lead story tonight, according to a new executive order from Donald Trump, pay attention to me. Voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters. Other than that, it was basically just a meaningless reminder that the IRS should continue not doing its job when it comes to revoking tax-exempt status from religious groups that

violate the johnson amendment by endorsing political candidates and i say meaningless because the irs has already been not doing that job for the last 63 years except literally once they did their job on this exactly once since 1954 when the rule started so yeah pretty much nothing happened i wanna be a church no we know we know you're like god jesus nobody can piss me off with inaction like donald trump except maybe my oncologist thus far the entire trump administration has been a series of nothing happening but still managing to have negative consequences it's like the not exercise of administrations. You don't think

nothing can be bad for you, but it's real bad for you. Real, real bad for you. But this would be like if you were making sure you didn't exercise by like throwing those dumbbells out of a ninth floor window

onto a busy street. But yeah, yeah, no, but the analogy holds. I told you that in confidence. Yeah, so Trump didn't really accomplish anything but he's still tragically stupid and wrong he just told the irs that it's cool with him if they continue not taxing political groups that are pretending to be charities as long as those groups are religious so it's not like we needed confirmation that the president of the united states is cool with

undermining the first and Fourteenth Amendments, but now we have extra, just in case. Also, 3 through 10, probably 13, definitely 15, 19 through 27, and the Emoluments Clause. I will quarter our troops, the best troops, in people's homes because our soldiers, and these are great

people, by the way, need places to stay. They don't have places. They have the worst places. We're going to fix it. It's going to be so great. You're going to have a soldier in your home, high schooler, shaved head, weird kid who wants to be in the military. There's no way he knows that about me. Yeah, so again, nothing was really accomplished. But this is Donald Trump we're talking about.

So nothing wasn't quite as successful as you might expect from your average person who did nothing. He managed to do nothing so badly that he's being sued by the FFRF just on like general principle. Yeah, right. Just FFRF sitting around their executive table. I mean, it doesn't mean anything. Well, we could do something that doesn't mean anything to Alan who said life is meaningless anyways. This is serious, guys. Okay, so

before we wrap up this story, here's a quick highlight from Trump's executive order. He said, quote, we will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied, or silenced anymore. Wait a minute. Yeah. And we will never ever stand for religious discrimination.

Never ever. Wait, what? End quote. Two never evers. Two never evers like a child. It might as well have ended with, wait,

plus another Muslim ban and never ever starting now. Yeah. Now. No backsies. No backsies. And in double D-bag news tonight, Dave Dobenmeier, a.k.a. Coach Dave, continues to serve in his role at Past the Salt Ministries.

And apparently that means talking into a microphone from the press box of a stadium that seems to have emptied out about five years ago. It's such a weird fact. I'm sure he's just been up there soiling himself this whole time. He just doesn't want to get involved. Coach Dave and I both know a door barricaded by your feces is a barricade that

holds. That barricade means we got to hear about chemtrails and the women at Fox News getting sexually harassed for fun and profit on purpose. Okay, so as offensive as the she was begging for an excuse always is, it's even worse when it comes from a man whom no one ever so much has consented to it with.

Right? I mean, Dave, you're a grown man in a fucking baseball cap. You have given up your chance to opine on sex with other people. Sorry. All right. chance to alpine on sex with other people sorry all right we're gonna start with those crafty liberal sexual harassment victims over at fox news so coach dave's talking about i'm assuming the horrible persecution of bill o'reilly and here's what he had to say quote have you seen how the women on fox news dress oh for fucks dress like that, and if you say something to them, you are harassing them.

Hard segue. I wonder if Anderson Cooper has propositioned any boys he's had on his show. How come we don't hear anything about that? I wonder. I wonder.

How come we haven't heard anything about that? And if he has, what do you think them young fellers wore to catch his wandering eyes? Sorry, what was I talking about? Call me coach.

Wait, I want to back this up for a second. So the fact that Fox has a sexist wardrobe policy excuses the sexism of their hosts? Like they've created some misogynistic singularity where all the rules of sexism break down the fuck all right so continuing with the quote he also added you turn on right now fox and friends and i guarantee you there's some leg crosser leg crosser is the term he's using there's some leg crosser sitting right there on the couch showing all flesh probably doesn't even have sleeves on sleeves so and fixin uh you guys picturing coach dave watching sharon stone cross her legs just punching newman in the face diving across the table at her with his dick out

because that's what i mean it's thursday so, yeah. Can I just say how much I love that Coach Dave seems vaguely aware of the like, let's have a pretty white lady say our racist shit techniques of Fox News, but not the purpose. It's like he's standing on a giant X figuring out whether or not treasure exists. He's like, how would gold even fit into coins? All right, so

we got from there to the chemtrails thing. According to Coach Dave, there's a sinister plot by fucking someone to spread poisonous chemicals all over the sky, which will eventually get inside our food, but also inside the utensils

we cook with somehow. So, not like the forks and knives, but like poison spatulas. Yeah, no, I was worrying about poison spatulas is my church of life spinoff solo project. Anyway, you see airplanes

full of poison to contaminate kitchenware is how the people he calls God haters are going to give everyone alzheimer's disease that's our plan apparently everyone and then i guess we're going to swindle everyone's money betting on memory games is go forward i keep saying it at the meetings but it would be so much easier to just get a spatula guy in the factory. I've told Berkholder a thousand fucking times. Yes.

Because the obvious chemtrail conspiracy, Coach Dave says he's going to quote, air on the side of tinfoil hats because that blocks the poison from when you hit yourself in the head with a spatula all the time. You have a hat.

But foil. Splatter. You're better. And in with a spatula all the time. Oh, I see. Give a hat. No, that, yeah. But foil. Splatter. You're better. And in with a red hot poker news tonight. Coach Dave is not the only one worried about memory games coming to get us all. Call backward. Christian host of True News and sports announcer who Pepe Le Pew is about to confuse for another skunk rick wiles is back to the future again this week after news that a poker playing robot otherwise known as a computer program has been worried that it's probably possessed by satan oh jesus all right all right so before we even get to all of that

i just want to say putting true in the name of your newscast is like putting democratic in the name of your country. Okay? We're not. It'd be like us renaming the show. The Eli doesn't really want to fuck that. It's just a joke. Atheists. Andrew is still pushing hard for that.

He is. I get a lot of emails. I'm saving that for the spinoff show we do when Heath dies. Anyway. Okay. I'm going to die before you. Content. Detente.

Go. Waz's logic goes like this. The program. Detente. Go. Yeah. Detente. Go.

I love that so much. That's my favorite two words that have ever existed side by side in all of history. Thank you for that. Start a betting pool. His logic goes like this. The program, which, by the way, is actually pretty cool and you should look up, has learned to bluff and, more importantly,

read bluffs based on a player's style. And since bluff and lie are the same if you're Rick Wiles or Noah and Heath getting fleeced by a 19-year-old Japanese magician who's never played poker before, before W Japanese magician who's never played poker before. Before Wiles, who's never played poker before,

Wiles is now under the impression that computers have learned to lie. Okay, wait, fleece? I came in third place in a tournament game. That's not fleece. It's a $5 tournament. We played like 30 hands all night. There's no fleecing in that.

He was making pot-sized raises. I saw him start to shuffle two stacks of chips into one and then catch himself, catch me, catch him. You clearly brought a ringer. Yeah, those 19-year-old poker pros who do sponge bunnies. Like he would have told you. I want to point out that Eli's now defending himself by pretending 19-year-old Japanese statistics master

is something that would obviously be sarcastic. Racist. No. Forthwith. Not what that means. Also no. Okay. Since Satan is the father of lies,

according to Wiles, that means that the computer will function as the, quote, global brain that will embody Lucifer's mind, end quote. But, like, computers lying is a new thing you know like he's never seen his computer say oh that'll be done in two minutes and 30 seconds i'm sorry but either computers learned to lie a long time ago or i owe a lot of busty mostly naked potential

facebook friends an apology yeah i like them we skype we're still according to wiles eventually the demon controlled robots will start replacing human workers, resulting in massive unemployment. And that second part about the robots replacing humans, that's true, to be fair. But until the robots learned a podcast, I'm not super worried, I guess is what I'm saying. They will. Anyway, talk about Andrew and Thomas, whatever. Learn some intonation. Wiles concluded, quote,

I'm going to tell you where I think this is going. I think the deep state planners have already figured this out, and they have scheduled a massive war to eliminate tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of useless eaters. I really believe that, end quote. That's our word. Yeah, so, yeah, nobody break it to him but rick wiles has just crazied himself into the plot of terminator but it starts with poker he knows it starts with

poker doesn't know much but he knows that well just to be on the safe side i'm gonna go ahead and draft a letter of advanced surrender to our robot overlords who will at least get rid of time zones and just make it 14 a fucking clock everywhere at the same time so we're going to pause for a quick break and when we come back we'll hand things over to my lovely wife lucin allison enright hey mom oh he's so good to hear from you yeah thanks mom happy mother's day oh thank you sweetie yeah i i didn't forget so i uh you went to bloom that.com not you too oh you shouldn't have a just picked hand designed instagram ready gorgeous bouquet oh you're such a wonderful son well actually. Of course, I'm being silly. It's not just the bouquet. You must have gone to bloom that dot com slash atheist and gotten me that premium designer vase that cost everyone else $15 but was free with your order.

And those handmade caramel treats, which cost everyone else $10, of course. All right. Yeah. So here's the thing. You know, the other day I was saying to your father, I don't care what you say. It was totally worth carrying him around for nine months and then pushing him through a hole the size of my ear canal. A hole, by the way, that's never regained its elasticity or feeling.

Mom, really? I know, I know. And then to feed you milk out of tits for another four years, which was essentially like putting them on the rack three times a day while you grew into the baby version of a kaiju. Okay. See, the thing is... But no. No, no, no. I think it was all worth it because you went to

bloomthat.com slash atheist that's B-L-O-O-M T-H-A-T slash A-T-H-E-I-S-T and found the perfect handcrafted design of flowers. I mean, you automatically got the free premium designer vase and

caramel treats, of course, a $25 value. Again, that's bloomthat.com slash atheist for a premium designer bouquet, free vase, and treats. And it was only available to your listeners if they went to bloomthat.com slash atheist.

Yeah, well, I hope you like him, mom. Oh, I know I will. And to think I was going to do a shot of Jameson in three cartwheels when I found out about you. You were? Yep. Father hid the Jameson. He hid it in his stomach. This mom sounded like a smoker.

A man wrote the Bible? A whore is what she was. If it's a legitimate rape. It's a slut, right? Cooking can be fun. Hey, I'm proud of a man. This Week in Misogyny. Okay, first of all, I missed you too.

And it's awkward when you haven't talked to somebody in a while to just dive right into the conversation talking about menstruation. But I'm afraid I'm going to have to do exactly that. Because while I was recovering from my con-itis, I had multiple listeners send me a story from the BBC News magazine about a place in Nepal where women are still banished to the outskirts of town during their dirty time. But I don't really want to talk about that. I mean, given my choice, I'd be not talking about it because it wasn't happening. But after a week off, I don't want to start things off on such a down note. I don't want to be all like, hey, how you been? You know, Hindus in Nepal are still in the 11th century BCE.

You hear about that woman in Virginia who got kicked out of her church for having boob and a hungry baby? Pass the ketchup when you're done with it, huh? Instead, I kind of want to put you in a good mood. So I scoured the news sources for some good news on the misogyny front, and I think you'll be pretty impressed with what I managed to find for you. For example, here's a story from our friends, the Muslims, on a new progressive stance they're taking on women's rights. This comes to us from Kuwaiti cleric, Othman Al-Khomas, who took to television last week to remind Muslims that you can't just go around kidnapping, raping, and enslaving women all

willy-nilly. I mean, you can still go around kidnapping, raping, and enslaving them, just not all willy-nilly. There are rules. For example, if the woman you've kidnapped and enslaved is married, you can't rape her. So there you go. Good news. All right, not very good. I'll admit, but this next one actually is good news, and that's the latest news on those girls abducted by Boko Haram back in 2014. As of last week, 82 of the girls were released. Now, of course, that's out of 276, so this isn't exactly a fairytale ending,

but it's a better ending than I'd imagine those 82 girls were expecting. Now, the fact that it came immediately after I saw that story about the Kuwaiti cleric outlawing the raping of married women, it did have a, well, now where's the fun in this feel to it? But however it happens that these women escaped, obviously that really is something to celebrate. So yeah, good news, but overshadowed by the horrible news around it. So I have one more for

you, and that's an update on the antics of our favorite Planned Parenthood mega donor, Greg Locke. Locke is a jackass that publicly told the internet not to keep donating money to Planned Parenthood in his name, and then publicly told the internet he really meant it this time. Well, last we heard from old Greggy boy, he was planning an anti-Planned Parenthood protest where he was going to give them back the countless thank you letters he was receiving daily for his donations. Well, perhaps unaware that the what if they gave a war and nobody came thing was a rhetorical device, he led his army of four, plus guests, to the organization's DC headquarters and ceremoniously dumped all the letters into

a recycling bin outside the building. And then just sort of, you know, hung out there being angry and wondering what time CNN and YouTube were coming to ask him questions. Now, I haven't seen any updates from Lux since then, so I kind of like to think he's just still waiting around there wondering why the lamestream media keeps ignoring him. And as unlikely as that is, I'm making no effort to disconfirm it, because I wanted to leave you with good news.

So with that, I'll hand things back over to Noah, Heath, and Eli. Thank you, Lucinda. And in land of 10,000 hot takes news tonight, the Somali population of Minnesota, thank tonight, the Somali population of Minnesota. Thank you. The Somali population of Minnesota is celebrating throwback Thursday this week by bringing back deadly long dead diseases.

And I, for one, am unsure if that or the picture of you and your girls in college is worse. I am sure it's you and your girls in college. There's a cure for measles, but lack of personality is forever. So is HPV. Thank you. We are many. And who, you may ask, is the villain behind it all?

Winner of his high school's most likely to get sucker punched by a podcaster award, Andy Wakefield, who you absolutely should not murder. For those unfamiliar with the ex-doctor, he's a big f***er who on f***ing

which is why you should put a f***er in the inside of your car and pretend it was an accident. Don't do it. This is all a joke. Any reasonable person would assume I'm joking about the joke I just made. Don't do it. This is all a joke. Any reasonable person would assume I'm joking about the joke I just made. I'm a comedian. No, you just said

that. And any reasonable listener will just assume that whatever Eli was saying underneath all those beeps was really funny, and they'll be fine with moving on with this story. There were no beeps. Anyway, back to the story. It turns out that a group of recent immigrants from Somalia didn't actually decide spontaneously to reject universally accepted medicine.

You guys picturing pirates taking over Wakefield's illegal lecture international waters boat. Look at me. I am the captain now. Look, just play. I'd love to. Nothing wrong with this. I'd love to. Nothing wrong with this. No, several well-known anti-vax group gathered at the local mall for an educational in session that included, you guessed it, telling decades old lies about vaccines and shouting down the actual doctors who showed up to correct them.

Oh, fuck. And diphtheria has a more motivated lobby than we do. Y'all, I don't want to depress everybody, but that's the world we live in, and there's no way out but suicide. Oh, sure. That stays in. So unfair. I wasn't recommending it. And by the way, if this story seems familiar, it should. Andy Wakefield was the cause of just such an outbreak of this kind in the exact same community in 2011 but a brand new batch of

assholes are here to cause it now with this latest bunch being led by mark braxell who regular listeners to all of our shows will remember from our review of vaxxed and regular all you can eat buffet patrons will remember as that guy whose picture is on the wall with the big ghostbusters circle and line through it yeah and and who 34 minnesotans may remember as that guy whose picture is on the wall with the big Ghostbusters circle and line through it. Yeah, and who 34 Minnesotans may remember as the reason they have an old-timey disease. Long story short, a mere

six years after a group of politically motivated lying baby murderers used immigrant scientific ignorance and vulnerability to propagate their terrible agenda, they're at it again. The more things change. Mm-hmm.

And finally tonight, from the Comic Trans File, notorious hate pastor and professional font of bigotry, font, font, nailed it, font of bigotry, Kevin Swanson made a big announcement last week about the secret atheist plot to abolish private property, overthrow the czar and make all the boys into girls and all the girls into boys. The craziest part of that isn't the party didn't say. Nope. During his radio show, he said the following, quote, the goals of the educational program in the public schools is that your kids be transgendered and communist by 20 years of age, end quote.

Well, that seems reductionist. Those aren't even goals number one and two. They're just on the list. I don't read the meeting notes anymore. They're just really long. Yeah, it just says the same shit every week. Okay, so this might sound likevin swanson's a fucking lunatic was just panicking about this stuff out of nowhere but nowhere would be inaccurate

he uh he actually warned us all about something similar last year when he blew the whistle on all those nambla preschools and transgender kindergartens, specifically as they relate to Nazis and cannibalism. So, you know, groundwork laid, not out of nowhere. Well, OK, say what you will, but Kevin Swanson is an overachiever. What an impressive historic swath of collective alarmism, right? I mean, he's got trans people from this century, communists and Nazis from the last one, cannibals from the one before that. Every time this motherfucker talks, he sounds like a vampire bigot playing a century-long game of racist I'm going on a trip.

Okay, now vampire bigot is my Church of Lies solo project. I won't drink black blood. The sickle trickle ballad. No, I've heard it. And yeah, so it turns out it's even worse than he thought actually not only is there a secular conspiracy to carry out a nazi cannibal pedophilia campaign in our public schools it's also going to end capitalism that's a trick and apparently we're going to make that happen by getting those proletariat five-year-olds to rise up, fuck some three-year-olds, eat some babies, obviously kill the Jews, and of course, seize the means of production. And also everyone changes their gender is one of the dots.

This is the letting Eli book the travel of evil plots. You say that, but horse and buggy is the loveliest way to see this country. Really appreciate our highways and byways. All right. So now that our plan is out the open, it's probably time to really flip the switch. Get everyone to finally take up the white trans burden. Let's put 30 seconds on the clock. Ideas for educational propaganda

once we become the communist trans people's republic of America really soon. You want to do something specific, maybe? Let's do something specific this week. I'm just picturing a Cuban guy in a kindergarten saying can Jesus give you handies in a communist accent. How about

a day in the life of Yvonne, denise or which about uh all animals are equal but tranimals are more equal than others it's uh from tranimal oh yeah no of course um i don't want to say this is hard um because that's obvious okay how about an uh educational film boulder to Boulder. The gland is ours. Tomorrow is ours. That's from Battleship Potemkin. Ooh.

Okay, I withdraw. How about Seize the Means of Baby Production and then cut them off with garden shears or whatever it is we do. I don't know. It's not clear. Ice cream scoop. Schwab.

Jesus. All right. How about a propaganda quote under cisgender capitalism man exploits man under transgender communism it's just the opposite that's john kenneth galbraith uh the communist manifest of course no office okay i see what we're going for here i see it um how about an essay on the private property of proper privates from Karl Marx's theory on sistery? Ooh. Okay.

This is a reach. Smart joke. Non-binary hours to read. What's happening? Not mine, ours. I don't know, man. You got real specific. He really did.

We used to just do like, funny girl scout. specif. He really did. We used to just do like, funny girl scout. I got an AP lit textbook I'm leaping through for this fucking week. All right, I got one more. How about peace,

land, bread, rape, cis people while they shit. That's Lennon's April theses on feces. I guess we can let Eli out of this now that we've raised the bar on intellectual shit jokes like that. We've done our duty and we can close the headlines there. Heath, Eli, thanks as always. Bleep.

And when we come back, Daryl Ray and Gail Jordan will be here because I didn't tell them they'd be following a communist poop joke. Hi, welcome to We're Out of Everything and We Hate You. What can I glare at you about today? Yeah, okay, so I've located both the jade key and the copper one. So I think you can unlock the plexiglass vault with the razors in it now, right? Um, do you know the secret password? Uh, Klaatu Barada Nikto. Okay, and you brought a bag of sand approximately the weight of the razors you want?

Yes. Okay, are you sure? Because I am not running from that boulder again. I brought it. All right, I'll page someone who won't answer, but might bring the key eventually. Wait there while I pretend like straightening these bags is an important

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Oh. Sorry? Thank you. In the U.S. alone, Christianity has over 100 dedicated television stations. They have about 600 religious universities, 350,000 churches, over half a million pastors, and well over $80 billion in annual revenues. We, on the other hand, have a handful of underfunded initial organizations with a lot of R's and F's in them. In fact, by my back-of-the-envelope calculation, every dedicated atheist activist in the U.S. has to counteract the work of about 80,000 equally dedicated Christians. Of course, not many people are up to this task, but I've got two guests here today that

have been facing that challenge head-on for years. Daryl Ray is the founder of the Recovering from Religion Foundation and the president of its board of directors. He's a psychologist, an author, and a popular speaker at secular conferences. Gail Jordan is the RFR's executive director. She's an attorney, a blogger, a fitness enthusiast, and a heathen. Gail, Daryl, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us.

Thanks for having us on, Noah. Good to be back. Yeah, been too long. So, Gail, we'll start with you. For the listeners that aren't familiar, can you give us a broad outline of what the Recovering from Religion Foundation is and what you do there? Sure. As you've mentioned, Noah, we were founded in 2009 by Dr. Ray, who found, who saw a need to have some sort of resource for folks as they go through this journey of doubting and maybe subsequently leaving their faith because there are some similarities in everyone's journey. There are obviously some differences, but it was enough in common that he saw the need to put together some kind of an

organization that would support this kind of journey. And that was, we're in our ninth year, so that was all these many years ago. You took my breath away when you said that each of us as a heathen has the work to do of 80,000 Christians. And I tell you, we feel it at Recovering From Religion. The foundation we have added, we've gone through a variety of changes, and we've added and expanded some of our services, but we absolutely take people where they are. When they come to us, they literally come to us with their questions. We have a telephone hotline.

We have an internet-based chat line. And we'll talk a little bit more later in the program about what we've expanded to include. But this effort is an effort to try to help those folks who are struggling and think they're the only ones and are sometimes in isolated areas and may be the only nonbeliever in their family and with their friends and church may be the only thing they've ever known. And the trauma and the arduous effort to work through that is what we're here to give them hope, help, healing, and support. Obviously, there's a lot going on at the RFR, and I'm sure we could have any number of interesting discussions about it, but I'd like to focus this interview on the Hotline Project. So, Daryl, what inspired the Hotline Project, and what's its goal? Well, I started this whole thing with the local meetings, and I realized really quickly that

there's a lot of people that don't have a local meeting. I could work my butt off and never get all the local meetings we needed in local communities. So it just led to the notion that why don't we set up some kind of like a suicide hotline, only it's not, of course, for that purpose. And we tried it out and it worked very well. Almost a little more than three years ago, we started it. It took about a year of planning and put it together. And we could see, I'll tell you, Noah, when somebody calls in and tells us they're getting ready to be thrown out of the house, or their wife hasn't spoken to them in four months since she found out he's an atheist, or my husband is getting ready to divorce me because I won't go to church with them anymore. Those are heartrending, just heartrending.

We are the first line of defense for them. We're the first place to call. And they've got a human being on the other side that is well-trained. All of our agents have to go through training and they have to go through supervision. And we realized we needed to reach out and touch more people. So that's when the idea of the chat line came up because we really can only accept calls from within the United States. It's just too expensive otherwise.

And we set the chat line up and that opened us up basically to the entire planet. So both of those things have taught us a lot. We've learned a hell of a lot in the two, three years we've been doing all this. But what we realize is there's so much need out there, so much need. It's phenomenal. And we need volunteers. We need lots of help. We need donations to try and accomplish the mission that we've got. So now you said that your call takers are extensively trained. What kind of training do they receive? We have developed training over the two and a half years that we've been working on the hotline. We have used guidelines that we have gathered from the American Psychology Association and

the Psychiatrist Association on what kind of support and what kind of listening skills we can implement and what kind of techniques that we can use to try to elicit their response without giving them advice. And all of our agents are required to go through that. Not only as you become a volunteer, not only do you have to go through our vetting process, that's just the nature of how we vet our volunteers. There's an interview, there's references, those kinds of things. But then once you're inside the program, so to speak, and you're a volunteer, then there's still additional

training for you to go to in order to be a chat or phone agent. No, I was a trainer early in my psychological career for like the first 10 years. I trained peer support and peer counselors. And this training meets or exceeds all the standards for a very low level. I mean, we're not training people to do real sophisticated stuff, but it's amazing how sophisticated our agents get very quickly. Yeah, I can only imagine, as Gail was describing, and I was thinking to myself, boy, I could probably just use that training for dealing with the guy at Subway. You know what?

All of us can stand to develop our listening skills. Yeah. All of us develop our subway skills. Exactly. Yeah. So, okay. So now you've already kind of hinted that there's, you've got some big things in the works for the Hotline Project. So what are the plans going forward? I'll jump on that one real quick. And Daryl might want to follow up on that. One of the, as we've been talking though, you've heard us say that as agents, we are restricted by certain boundaries. That's a healthy thing to do, and we work hard to maintain those boundaries in place. However, when we do follow up, you know, when we've asked some of our callers to give us a little bit of anonymous feedback, one of the pieces that continues to be missing in this whole relationship is as much

as we can show that compassion and as much as we can help them be reflective and work out their own problems, they're still missing a critical piece, and that's being part of a community. This idea of community is not new within secularism, particularly for folks who are leaving religion. We oftentimes leave behind our entire support community. So in an effort to be creative, to try to think, you know, how can we provide for these folks? The thing that they, this one piece that they so desperately need, particularly our isolated folks. Yes, we can, yes, Recovering From Religion has support groups. And if you're fortunate enough to live in one of those areas where one is developed, then that's awesome. And you can go in person and you can create community with folks who are going through similar struggles. But for those folks who are isolated, in addition to that, we're offering the helpline community.

And that's where folks, callers, who have called in subsequent to a chat or a phone conversation with one of our trained agents are invited in, so to speak, into an online community of folks who are going through like journeys. For example, it's religion-specific or experience-specific support groups that they can join online. It might be ex-Christian, ex-Jehovah's Witness, ex-Mormon, but it also might be LGBT or military. That's a unique experience that as the community members come in, they are not under those same restrictions. They're able to build community. They're able to use that language that we have been unable to use, which is, I understand what you're going through. I know how that feels. Here's what worked for me.

And so we still have trained agents to be part of that community. And the agents will still observe those boundaries and restrictions. But the members of the community are able to form lasting relationships. They're able to develop new friendships. They're able to ask questions without judgment and get answers and hear stories and experiences about how someone else has gone through that similar thing. And the folks in the community can give back and they can help one another along the way. And that's the expansion of our helpline into our helpline community. We're kind of rebranding this whole thing,

as you've heard Gail use the term helpline rather than hotline. Within our system is still hotline kind of concept. People can actually phone in. But we want this to be much broader than just a phone call. We want to be much broader than just a phone call. We want to be a full service, one-stop kind of service, if you will. And we're also reaching out to

external groups. And we are really working, we'll be working very hard. We already started working very hard to reach out to other groups that we can ally with. And that would be LGBT groups, ex-Mormon groups, ex-Muslim groups, you name it. We want to partner with all of those groups because people are going to come to us. Oftentimes, they'll come to us first. And then we can turn around and feed those people through our system out to groups that they can provide, that provide external, a community external of what we're doing. I call this secular support. We are providing secular support to people who are leaving religion.

And we're helping people find support in their own communities or find support in their own former religious communities as well. And what we really want to do in the next, starting about August, and Gail can talk about this if she wants to, we want to reach into the religious communities. We want to put advertisements, if you will, on Facebook sites that are for religions.

Because we know there are people in church every day, every Sunday that need us and want to come out, but they don't know about us. So if we can free up some resources, we will be able to do that. And that's what we've done. We have cut our costs dramatically and we've increased our capacity for service dramatically, all at the same time. And it's largely because the technology has changed. I mean, technology is just going fast in this area. Well, and it's helpful to understand too, we're in a unique position among secular organizations, and you mentioned it earlier.

Not only is all of our effort spent in an outward direction trying to put ourselves in a position to be able to help folks, Recovering From Religion is an entirely volunteer organization from Daryl all the way down to the newest volunteer. organization, from Daryl all the way down to the newest volunteer, all of our resources, all of the donations, everything that we have is put into the program to be able to reach out to folks. And as Daryl mentioned, as we have become more and more efficient with this new expanded program, we'll be able to direct those resources, as he said, more into the Christian community and get the hotline, the chat line, the helpline in front of the eyes of the folks. So many of us who have been secular for a number of years, our social media communities have become much, you know, they've become secular. That's where

our friends have come from. And so we want to put the helpline and everything it can offer from the phone to the chat, to the resources, to the podcast, to the blog, to the community, to everything that we offer in front of those folks. And so when we restructured this system, we did this with an eye to being a client, being a person who's in need, who's struggling. And we wanted to be that thing. How can we help? What can we do to help you with your journey? What resources can we provide? What is it you need to help you with your journey? And everything that we have done is focused toward that direction. Amazing. You guys are doing the

work of 80,000 people a piece and you're looking for a way to do more. Awesome. That's great. That's awesome. Okay. Now I've got to imagine that a lot of the listeners are sitting at home right now or in their car right now thinking to themselves, boy, would I like to get involved with something like that? What would you tell them? How can they help? Well, we've got it all set up and I'm glad that you asked that question. So of course, the website is recoveringfromreligion.org. When you go to that landing page across the top, you'll see a couple of options. The volunteer option would be one that I would encourage everybody to click. Once you click on that and you start that process, we'll handle it from our end. We

will do, as you fill out the form, we'll contact your references. We'll set up an interview time. We'll do our part to get you into the system as quickly as possible. We'll get you through your training so that you can be on the front lines with the rest of us. There's also a donate button right at the top. And as you know, all of this progress, all of this work costs money and we are being as efficient as we can be. And once again, we are an all-volunteer organization. So those are two things. But there's a couple of other things. And one is to give us a signal boost on your social media, to give us a retweet or a repost every time Recovering From Religion. Like us on Facebook, follow us on Twitter, and as we put out our social media posts, just give us a shout out, boost our signal, get this where more folks know about who we are. But one of the most critical things that you can do is to tell somebody who needs us that we are here.

We are so ready to help, but we can't help folks if they don't know we're here. So we're asking everybody, and that costs nothing, and it takes no time. But any time, if you're in a virtual conversation with someone, drop a link in to Recovering From Religion. If you're in an actual conversation with someone, say there's a telephone number. It's called 1-8-4-I-DOUBT-IT, and I think you can talk to them about your struggle. If you can help us do those things, imagine the impact as we work one heathen against 80,000 Christians. Imagine the exponential work that we can do if everybody joins us doing that. Well, you know, I've said for a long time, the strength of this movement can only be in the bonds between each other in the communities that we develop. So on behalf of the atheist community and all the people who might just be on their way

into it, I want to thank you for the work that you guys are doing. Thanks, Noah. Could we put in one plug for the secular therapy project as well? That's the last piece we haven't talked about. Yeah, by all means, please fill in the listeners. What is the secular therapy project and how can people find it? Okay, well, it's to help people find secular therapists because they're religious therapists. And they're licensed and they're trained in oftentimes secular to universities. What a lot of people don't know is, and the lay person can't know, is that person properly trained in evidence-based psychotherapy?

And you can't tell. You cannot tell by going online and finding a psychologist within 10 miles of your house or something. So we started the process of registering truly secular therapists. Therapist has to prove to us, they have to apply to us first, then they have to prove to us, they have to apply to us first,

then they have to prove to us that they have the proper credentials and license, and then they have to prove to us that they're secular. And then last and most important, they have to prove to us that they use evidence-based methods in their psychotherapy. They don't use new age stuff and they don't send you back to the church or read the Bible or pray with you, any of that stuff. So once a therapist gets into our database, it's kind of like match.com or a dating site. We kind of designed it that way. It protects both sides, both the therapist and the client.

You can get online, you say, show me a therapist within 50 miles of my house that deals with marriage and family issues. And just click on that and names will come up. And you can just choose one or two of those names and you can correspond through our system with that therapist. And then the therapist can respond to the client.

So you're going through our system. Nobody's name is there. Nobody's email, nobody's phone number. It's very much like a dating site. Everybody's protected on both sides. And then it's their responsibility to communicate. And then once they've decided, yeah, we fit together, then they make their own appointment outside of the system. And they do charge.

I mean, they're professionals. But our service is totally free. We have four very dedicated volunteers, therapists that are secular atheists, secular therapists that are vetting these therapists before they can get into our database. We have 320 therapists registered now and 10,600 clients registered searching for therapists. 10,600 people have registered on our site to search for a therapist. That shows the need right there. Yeah, right.

And whatever, 10 years ago, they had nowhere to really go for that. That's amazing. Like I said, there's a lot of things that you guys do at the RFR that really impressed the hell out of me. But the secular therapy project, I support that and promote it every chance I get. Now, of course, we're going to have links to Recovering From Religion Foundation's website on the show notes, as well as more links to everything that we talked about today. Again, we're only scratching the surface of what the RFR does in this interview. So please check out the website, learn more about it. And if you can, get involved. Gail, Daryl, thank you again so much for your time tonight.

Thank you so much, Noah. That was great. much for your time tonight. Thank you so much, Noah. That was great. Before we hit the showers tonight, I want to remind everybody that Godawful Movies is going on tour this summer. We've already got dates in New York, Salt Lake City, and Seattle. We're looking to add a show in Austin, Texas soon, and there's still one international date in the works. You can find the most up-to-date details on the homepage at scathingatheist.com. Anyway, that's all the blasphemy we've got for for you tonight we'll be back in 10,022 minutes with more if you can't wait that long be on the lookout for a brand new episode of our sister show the skeptocrat debuting at 7 a.m eastern time on monday and a brand or newer episode of our sister

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to power through the last couple of weeks despite the lack of access to his lucky shorts. I want to thank the lovely Lucinda Lusions for giving us a reason to smile this week and giving me a reason to smile for almost 21 years. I need to thank Eli Bosnick for eventually letting me get through my stories this week and for making it such a fun challenge. Obviously, I want to offer a huge thanks to Daryl Ray and Gail Jordan for all the work that they're doing. Again, check the show notes for a link to everything we talked about this week.

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