The Scathing Atheist - ScathingAtheist 227: Inciting Incident Edition

Episode Date: June 22, 2017

In this week’s episode, Ken Ham blames us for his failures, an article about a couple who claims to photosynthesize gets unironically published by The Sun, and Marissa McCool will be here to get that Freytag pyramid kicked into the upswing. To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click there: http://www.amazon.com/Diatribes-Godless-Misanthrope-Scathing-Presents-ebook/dp/B00J53FZFI/ref=sr11?ie=UTF8&qid=1396141562&sr=8-1 To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show’s hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies Guest Links: To check out all of Marissa’s work; click here: http://rismccool.com/ You’ll find Marissa’s blog here: https://incitingincidentpodcastblog.wordpress.com/ And you can get tickets to her live show here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/inciting-incident-podcasts-100th-ep-w-chris-kluwe-scathing-atheist-more-tickets-31754100369 To check out the House of Atheism YouTube channel, click here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLl9jpze22Ven-rehrE-w Headlines: Study suggests religion could be driving unprecedented political divide: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/15/study-shows-religion-may-be-contributing-to-unprecedented-political-divide/ Hindu extremist calls for death of beef-eaters: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/15/extremist-hindu-calls-for-public-executions-of-people-who-eat-beef/ 4-Year old hogtied with duct tape at Christian day care: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/19/church-based-day-care-worker-hog-tied-4-year-old-girl-using-duct-tape/ and https://www.newamerica.org/education-policy/edcentral/religiouscc/ Ken Ham blames atheists for Ark Park’s abject failure: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-ark-park-failure/ Church treasurer used church funds to pay hookers on Craig’s list: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/14/former-church-treasurer-used-donation-money-to-pay-women-on-craigslist-for-sex/ MO legislator kills chicken and rips out its heart on YouTube to make an anti-abortion point: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/13/missouri-legislator-slaughters-chicken-on-video-to-prove-a-point-about-abortion/ Bring ben Back http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/16/this-church-wants-you-to-pray-for-a-dead-worship-leaders-literal-resurrection/ Breatharians claim to exist: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/18/no-breatharians-cant-live-without-food-and-neither-can-anyone-else/ This Week in Misogyny: Wonder Woman “women only” viewing gift bag contains items for doing lady chores: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/attendees-at-women-only-screening-of-wonder-woman-given-gift-bag-containing-diet-pill-pamphlet-and-a7789076.html Women in Ireland will not be able to get abortions under NHS: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/northern-ireland-supreme-court-nhs-court-ruling-abortions-arlene-foster-dup-a7790021.html Iranian women wear white headscarves to protest headscarf laws: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40218711

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I'm Heath Enright. I'm from New York, New York. Secret Lair, Pennsylvania. This is Scathing Atheist. On this week's episode, Ken Ham blames us for his failures. An article about a couple who claims to photosynthesize gets unironically

published by The Sun. And Marissa Alexa McCool will be here to get that Freitag pyramid kicked into the upswing. But first, the diatribe. If you've listened to this show for long, you already know that I'm a real big fan of Hemet Mehta's Friendly Atheist blog. For my money, best one-stop shop for atheist news on the internet. And while I don't always agree with every opinion expressed on that blog, friendly and scathing are conflicting goals sometimes after all, Hemet and his team of

contributors do as good a job as anybody keeping the internet informed of the atheist issues of the day. So I want to make it clear before I spend the next five minutes furiously ripping a post on that blog to shreds that I am and will remain a big fan of that site. And the post in question was written by Terry Firma, a normally excellent blogger that does a normally commendable job but utterly failed to do so last week. But before we talk about his opinion kind of stuff, let me lay out the facts of the case. So the headline he's talking about is about Jalene Hinkle. She's a player on the U.S. women's soccer team who withdrew from all the matches the team was playing in the month of June. And officially, she cited personal reasons for her absence.

Unofficially, though though her social media activity and previously stated opinions strongly suggested it's because the u.s team was donning a rainbow infused jersey for gay pride month and she was too christian to have a bunch of gayness all over her tits now since her decision was made public hingel has been roundly and rightly criticized on social media but terry firmer's recent post on Friendly Atheist pushed back against the pushback, and I want to push back against that. His article starts off by posing a series

of what he seems to think are analogous hypotheticals. Imagine you're on a sports team that wants you to wear a pro-tea party message on your jersey, or a jersey with a Bible passage condemning gays. Wouldn't we support a person who refused to wear those jerseys so yeah that's how long it takes for this argument to fall apart i mean let's

acknowledge as the article does that nobody's saying she shouldn't be allowed to do that they're just saying she should be shamed and ridiculed for it and she should gay pride isn't a political message unless i don't think gay people should exist as a political position. It's substantively different than being asked to endorse a set of economic policies. But there's a lot more wrong with this post than analogies that aren't analogous. And the problem at the heart of this argument is one that I see often in atheism and skepticism. This idea that standing up for your beliefs can somehow be divorced from the merits of those beliefs, right? If one religion forbids somebody from eating shellfish and the other forbids them from accepting gay people, those are not equivalent propositions on the

acceptability scale. Refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance is not the same as refusing to stand for equality. And again, it's not like anybody is arguing she shouldn't be allowed to have those beliefs. As Terry Firma acknowledges in his article, no sponsors are threatened to boycott the team until she publicly apologizes and wears a really gay shirt. I mean, I'd support them if they were, but they're not.

What is happening is that some people online noticed a bigot being all bigoty and they responded with the kind of public shaming that normally goes unchallenged. Okay, unchallenged is a bit much i've been on twitter but unchallenged by progressive pro-lgbt rights bloggers like terry firma anyway so the article goes on to argue not only that we shouldn't castigate hingle but that we should support her since we all benefit from living in a world where it's okay to express unpopular opinions as though there were a binary choice between supporting her bigotry and criminalizing it. And it's while he's trying to justify that point that Terry dives into territory.

I think he owes us an apology for quoting from the article. And it's a long quote, and there's a lot wrong with it. So just bear with me. Quote, I've heard nothing to suggest that Hinkle is anything less than cordial and professional towards LGBT soccer players and personnel. If she were, in fact, to scold and castigate them, a la the abominable Margaret Court, thereby creating a hostile work environment, that would be a different kettle of fish. Then I could see grounds for disciplinary action and possibly dismissal. But we're not talking about behavior or even an openly hostile, toxic attitude. We're talking about behavior or even an openly hostile toxic attitude we're

talking about an article of faith wrong-headed and prejudicial though that belief appears to us there can be no doubt that it's legal and thank goodness protect it end quote well shit i'm sorry i didn't realize some of her best friends were black i i mean yes okay being openly hostile is a worse form of bigotry than being closedly hostile but that doesn't make the latter acceptable i mean i'm not gay so i can't say for sure but i feel like somebody publicly saying i shouldn't exist or i shouldn't have pride or that my love doesn't count that's gonna make for a hostile work environment even if they're crazy nice to my face and yes by the way of fucking course we're talking about behavior. If her prejudice didn't affect her behavior, we wouldn't even be able to talk about it. And the fact that her bigotry is motivated by an

article of faith is no more exculpatory than the guy who says he only hates Mexicans because of the one that took his job. No excuse for bigotry stands up to the light of reason and shame on anybody who would suggest otherwise. Now, if you're not convinced, right, if you disagree with my take and you want to defend this article, have at it. As me and Terry Firma clearly agree, that is your legal and protected right. But before you do, I want to ask you a quick favor. Just reread the article. But as you do, try to swap out gay for black just imagine that on black history month some athlete refused to play rather than don a logo about racial harmony and let's suppose that upon investigation their social media post was peppered with messages that decried interracial

marriage would anyone give a fuck if those social media posts cited a biblical passage would anyone hesitate to call for that athlete to be fired? Would any liberal atheist bloggers come rushing to their defense? I feel like no. And you know what? Maybe I'm wrong. You know, maybe Terry or somebody else listening would say, yeah, you know, that is what happened. But I'd rather live in a world where that theoretical racist athlete also wouldn't see their job threatened. And we can disagree about that too but if we do let's at least agree that that's what we're disagreeing about and at a minimum let's all admit that all bigotry is created equal they're talking about you jesus joining me for headlines tonight are the burton ernie a blasphemy heath enright and eli bosnick

fellas are you ready to put down both the ducky and Jesus? I think it's pretty clear that like Heath and I, Bert was the top. Either way, if we're a gay Muppet couple, we're obviously Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and a slightly smaller

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a new study might have a lead on why our show is getting so flinging-flanging political lately. And as many of you already know, it's mostly Eli's fault for hating freedom and still being friends with Steve Shives. I knew it. I knew it. And knowing is half the battle. Right, but it's not just that. No, of course, there's a whole other half.

Yeah, it turns out it might also have something to do with religious leaders becoming more politically divisive. Who knew? Yeah. Also, Darth Vader is Luke's father. Right. So everybody knows. Yeah.

Also, that stripper's only pretending to like you. It's not a good size and death panels are actually a good idea. See, if the sick people all die, everyone will be healthy. I've been saying this for years. healthy i've been saying this for years okay so uh the survey is called partisan pastor the politics of 130 000 american religious leaders and numbers are pretty much exactly what you'd expect religions full of mostly educated people like reformed judaism have leaders who tend to be liberal and the shitty ones with way more ignorant people all shitty like evangelical christianity way shittier yeah have leaders who lean heavily conservative

thus confirming what we knew all along that socialism is good and christianity's stupid also that this study was uh kind of a waste of money again fucking doy but most importantly we learned that if the Jews did a better job on the cover-up when they killed Christ, America would be a better place. That's really what we learned. Well, I mean, they've learned that lesson. If you want to know how thoroughly, just look for any direct evidence that they were behind 9-11.

Uh-huh. What an amazing summer. I don't want to go into it, but guys, it was a huge production. We were all so proud. It was like the last day of camp. Eli, pretend to be grieved. Pretend to be grieved, Eli. Remember, we're a huge production. We were all so proud. It was like the last day of camp. Eli, pretend to be grieved. Pretend to be grieved, Eli. Remember, we're going outside now. Oh, no.

Yes. So despite church attendance getting smaller, the study found that religious leaders still have more influence in shaping political opinions than any other group of professionals in the country. Oh, my God, that's depressing. Yeah, and that's why our show about religion is also naturally going to be about politics, too.

We're just following where the news about religion takes us. So, I mean, if the evangelicals start handing out copies of a modest proposal next year, all of a sudden the show is going to get a lot more about food. We go where it takes us. But just in case, nobody give Paul Ryan a copy. I feel like it's not out of his deal. You know what I'm saying? And speaking of which, Ian, meat is

murder news tonight. You know, we talk a lot about Abrahamic extremists on this show, and it can be a real bummer. Yeah, bummer. Terrorism's a real bummer. Yeah, bummer. Yeah, terrorism's a real downer. Yeah, and rising theocracy is quite lame. You guys get it.

Gross. So it's nice to step out of the norm once in a while and deal with Hindu extremism in the form of me trying to give an example of something silly that Christians would never put up with, namely, recent speaker at the Hindu Rastra Conference, Sadhvi Saraswati, who called for everyone who eats beef to be hung in the public square.

If they order it super well done and put ketchup on it, sure. Yes, in that case. Thank you. And I just want to say, fuck all the goddamn steak apologists out there like, oh, I could have it how I like it on the one eating. No, they wouldn't cover it in marshmallow fluff for you. And they shouldn't burn it into a charcoal brick just because you don't have taste buds.

Amen. Okay. I mean, I agree. But you order steaks a la textured soy protein. I'm not sure you really have any standing to judge. What's that? Well, I have the grace and dignity not to pretend the food I eat is anything but the nutrients

to keep me from dying. Speaking of my veganism and superiority, I also call for the public slaughter of carnists, as I call them, but Saraswati, or to call her by her rap name, S-squared, didn't stop there. She's also afraid of Muslims, specifically love jihad.

Love jihad? Picturing a very different ending of the sign scene from Love Actually. Just drops the last sign, he's wearing a bomb vest. Yeah, I get it. See, I was thinking of a very different ending scene for Love Different, but you know. See, I was thinking of a very different ending scene for Love Different, but you know. No, Love Jihad is a special kind of paranoia aimed at the practice of an older Muslim man marrying a younger non-Muslim woman for the sole purpose of converting her. And it's such a problem for S to the Arswati that she recommended, quote,

stocking arms so that they will not be destroyed in the future. Yes. So, uh, first of all, SS, not a great rap name. Also, uh, like I'm just picturing like an action movie where she shoots the engagement ring out of a Muslim guy's hand at the last time. I don't

coming this fall. Or maybe forever hold your peace, but like peace with an eye, like a gun. It would work on the poster. You'd get it if you saw it. I'd watch it. I'd watch it. Now, we should note, as I said at the outset, that the group who put on this conference is known for their extremism and have had members arrested for being associated with assassinations and extreme declarations like this one in the past. But it's nice to spice it up every now and then

with some crazy that's not in our backyard. You know, it's refreshing. Yeah. Refreshing. Yeah, no, nice. Well, it lasted. Meanwhile, back in our backyard, I'm going to bring the mood down

with the story of a four-year-old being hogtied with duct tape at a Christian daycare center. And I'm going to do that knowing fully well how inappropriate the jokes Heath and Eli are going to make are, so it's really my fault, I guess. I mean, we could introduce

quiet reverence as a reoccurring segment, I'm just saying. Yeah, and I think it's upsetting that Noah would suggest jokes during the quiet reverence time. Yeah, have some respect, Noah. Yeah, I mean, if we weren't here to draw lines for Noah, the show would get way out of hand.

Right, yes. We are way out of hand. Right. Yes. We are the voices of stability and reason. Thank you. Right. So this story takes place at the Zion Lutheran Learning Center in Valley Park, Missouri. And the catalyst, apparently, between the daycare worker in question and farm animal-based torture punishments was a four-year-old girl's refusal to lay still for her nap. Nap time.

Such a stupid practice. Kids don't need fucking naps if they don't want to take naps. If they get tired at night, they go to sleep. It's bullshit. I'm with her. I'm with the four-year-old. That's what I'm saying. Well, okay.

Well, I'm also on the side of the little girl who got hogtied. But the pros and cons of nap time don't really factor into my opinion. It's a weird thing. Debate me! No. You can say no! Well, he can, yeah. According to a local report, the Riverfront Times, the incident was known about throughout the daycare center but was not reported to the state. And the perpetrator, who admitted to the behavior apparently, wasn't even disciplined, let alone fired. From the article, quote,

the supervisor the parents spoke with laughed it off as a silly thing and suggested that Reeves, the hog tire in question, might need to take another training course. The parents have, of course, sued the daycare for false imprisonment, assault battery, negligence, supervision, supervision, negligent retention and civil conspiracy. Yeah, I'm guessing that meeting turned awkward pretty quickly. I bet. Hey, thanks so much for coming in.

Yeah. Yeah, no problem. What seems to be the issue? Well, it's it's about little Jane. She is just not holding still during nap time oh no really yeah really big problem very disruptive i mean i literally had to hog tie her with tape today so um if you get a chance i'm sorry i'm sorry you hogied our child with duct tape. Yeah, because

she wouldn't hold still farther down. Now, obviously we can't go through this every day with it. Yeah, I would say that. Right, because of the tape cost. I'm sorry, what are you doing? What is happening? Oh, I'm just moving some chairs around so I can beat the shit out of you.

So you can... Yeah, beat the shit out of you. Yeah can um yeah beat the shit out of you yeah hon will you hold my purse yeah sure thing sure thing hey what's your blood type over there they're gonna ask at the hospital and stuff i don't no i want to be clear here because somebody out there probably thought to themselves hey guys if a kid got abused at a secular daycare center you wouldn't be holding that up as an example of the problems with secularism and that much is fair i mean there's no sanctified secular instruction book that tells you to beat your child but there's also no biblical doctrine that tells you to hog time with duct tape but the problem and the thing that makes this newsworthy is that in 16 u.s states religious and secular daycare are not created equal.

Ten states offer way more lax regulations to get a license if you call your daycare center religious. And in an additional six states, religious daycare centers aren't required to get a license at all. Missouri, by the way, is in that latter category. Yeah, it's not all Christian bad behavior deserves the spotlight. Yeah, it's not all Christian bad behavior deserves the spotlight, but if you keep dropping off your old dildos and quaaludes at the church as state law, we're going to point it out when some fun stuff goes down. And speaking of dildos, quaaludes, and spotlights,

maybe we put Christianity on a no-kids plan for a little bit. Or forever. Yeah. I'll watch them. Nope. See how easy that was Francis? See how easy? All it takes. And then I would have got away with it. Two

news tonight. Pantene Pro-V antidote and guy who looks like crime-solving kids often try to pull his face off only to find it's not a mask. Ken Ham doing some thinking about why his giant boat filled with lies themed theme park is a miserable

failure. And the answer is us apparently. Really? Damn, I was hoping the answer was insufficient parking. Nope. Plenty of parking. The problem is us people.

In a recent post on his Answers in Genesis blog, Ham got confused about what several words mean and wrote the following whiny nonsense. Quote, Recently, a number of articles in the mainstream media and on well-known secularist websites have attempted to spread propaganda, read numbers reported by Ken Ham, to brainwash the public, read inform the public, into thinking, read knowing, that the Ark Encounter attraction is a dismal failure, read extra dismal abject failure. It's like he got a pep talk from my therapist.

Well, how do you define failure, Ken? Continuing the quote. continuing the quote sadly they atheists and the secular media are influencing business investors in such a negative way that they may prevent grant county kentucky from achieving the economic recovery that its officials and residents have been seeking end quote you hear that guys we aim for a war against giant boats of lies and grant county kentucky gets caught in the crossfire i hope you're happy i hope you're happy well if you want to make an omelet i am happy and i do want to make an omelet make an omelet later anyway among the secret satanist media sources conspiring against Ken Ham are apparently

all the people who gave him money in the first place. Oh, really? Grant County executive Steve Wood said of Ham's multiple broken promises, quote, it's a really bad deal for taxpayers. It was a shock for me because I didn't really know all the details. Maybe I should have.

Huh? Maybe, maybe, maybe i should have oh maybe maybe maybe he should have if only there had been some mainstream media or well-known secularist websites to warn him but uh he's not the only one the williamstown mayor had a rather short and sweet comment about how much the park has benefited the area saying quote there hasn't been any commercial development here adding it's gone all gone but uh ken ham is undeterred he went on to say quote we are in a spiritual battle is that it and the intolerant secularists are so upset with such world-class attraction sick like the Ark and Creation Museum that proclaim a Christian message.

They will resort to whatever tactics they deem necessary to try to malign the attractions, end quote. And sometimes that tactic is math. Well, saying numbers, not even math just counting it's like one arc park visitor ah ah ah nope that's protester one arc park visitor well i for one am glad to know what an inordinate sway we hold over the investor class and i'll do my best not to abuse it and to legally insulate eli when he inevitably does and i'd like to announce the ipo for your lyme disease get in while you can literally and in this is why no one doesn't let me touch the money news tonight, gentlemen, scholar, and my personal hero,

Alan W. Fenske is in hot water this week after confessing to having spent $50,000 of church money on prostitutes from Craigslist. Wow. Well, to be fair, if the water gets hot enough, maybe it'll boil off all those crabs and the fungus. No, it will not. Just saying. Let's not let our listeners make mistakes we've already

learned from on this show. Someone may or may not have pressed a tea kettle to their penis this week. Someone may have. May have. And also put his dick in a beer bottle to win, lose, or bet. Also maybe. Maybe. Okay. And just circling back real quick, if you were in charge of the money put his dick in a beer bottle to win lose a bet also maybe maybe okay

just circling back real quick if you were in charge of the money you'd buy prostitutes on Craigslist buy prostitutes wherever they're sold Heath it's not really a marketplace thing all of a sudden the Zales

thing is out the window when it comes to huggers okay i see now fenske who is the hero gotham needs and deserves the secretary treasurer for holly united methodist church and pled guilty to taking the money he was sentenced to 20 days of electronic home monitoring and was ordered to repay 30 000 of the money he stole what i assume because anyone who can spend 5050,000 on Craigslist hookers is automatically entitled to some $20,000 fine. Yeah, I guess so.

You would think maybe $50,000. Maybe the prostitutes were African-American. Oh, Jesus Christ. Is the church up to.6 yet? Oh, wow. I just see the jury sit there going like, look, y'all, it's not all bad that the money went to hookers instead of missionary trips i mean 60 bad at most i figure people still got fucked i'm

just saying he had fun but less spreading of aids i get it's a good jury good jury good jury that's what lawyers say at the end give him a slap slap. But don't worry. This story has a happy ending. Thank you. Is that what you say after a happy ending? That's kind of weird. No, of course not. They don't speak English. But everyone understands. Jenga!

Jenga! That was a very unpopular ad campaign for them. Can I just just say that they sold less board games if anything anyway prosecutors are totally fine with fenske not serving jail time since he agreed to pay back more restitution than they could charge him with and the pastor of united messed has said he confessed i assumed penthouse and made amends and that Fenske's actions have made them quote, stronger as a church end quote.

Architecturally? It's like spackle. He presses them against the boards and makes sure they're hammered in. I just want to say, when it all goes down, I feel like you guys will be mad at me, but think about how much stronger as a podcast

will be on the bright side speaking of which I need to fiercely apply some stop payments and have another difficult conversation with Andrew so while I do that we'll hand things over to my lovely wife Lucinda a man wrote the bible a horse would smug if it's a legitimate race it makes me slick right cooking can be fun

hey I'm proud of a man this week in Massage You're a slut, right? Cooking can be fun. Hey, I'm proud of a man. This Week in Misogyny. You know, with the American political system steadily moonwalking away from progress, it's easy to narrow your scope and lose track of the fact that the rest of the world is sinking, too. So with that in mind, I'd like to take you on a quick international tour of sexism. And this week's segment is going to take a page out of the Schlieffen Plan and start off in Belgium. This story comes to us from the Independent by way of astute listener Michelle, and it's the story of one of those women's only premieres of the new Wonder Woman movie.

Now, I'm going to be honest with you, not sure how I feel about those. Sure, they're harmless, but just as sure they're sexist. So I haven't weighed in on the controversy around them. But no matter how you feel on that, I think we can all agree that if those screenings include a gift bag to all of the lucky ladies out there, that gift bag shouldn't contain a toilet brush, a dish sponge, and a pamphlet for diet pills. And yet, at one Belgian theater chain, that's exactly what the women who showed up got. Now, further apart, the chain responded to online outrage with an apology that basically said, Shit, we should have asked a lady, huh? But we see why you're pissed though. Sorry, won't happen again. Which is, I'm pretty sure what it says under you bought a woman a toilet sponge in the secret rule book boys get when their balls

drop. But if I have to put a positive spin on that story, I can at least say it isn't terribly consequential. And regardless of how misogynistic it was, most of those ladies probably really did need a new toilet wand. But this next story out of northern ireland is definitely consequential and what these ladies are going to need the toilet one for is a lot more disturbing and of course i'm talking about abortion so yeah coming to us from the you may also like thing at the bottom of the last article is a ruling by the uk supreme court that says that women in northern ireland unlike those elsewhere in the ever less united kingdom will not be entitled to free abortions from England's National Health Services, despite the laws that say those are available to all women in the UK. They tried to

justify this decision by hiding behind respect for the democratic decision of the people of Northern Ireland. And don't get me wrong, that's something that should be respected, but maybe not over and above the rights of women. Speaking of which, no international tour of sexism can stay out of the middle east for all that long so we're going to bring our indiana jones style dotted line to arrest in iran where women are increasingly engaging in a silent protest against the laws that require them to cover their heads so that allah doesn't ejaculate all over himself at the sight of a naked scalp or so bill cosby won't offer them a drink, however the hell that's supposed to work. The protest was a brain shot of Masai Al-Anjad, whose name I apologize for mangling,

who founded a group called My Stealthy Freedom in an effort to protest Iran's oppressive and sexist mandatory dress code. Al-Anjad is asking women to post pictures online wearing white head scarves or other white clothing with the hashtag white Wednesdays as a legal protest under a regime that doesn't much care for protest. With that brief glimpse of good news or the promise that maybe good news might be around one of these corners eventually, I'll hand things back over to Noah, Heath and Eli. Thank you, Lucinda. And in what the cluck news tonight we're heading back to missouri for a story that's at least going to compete for the most disturbing of the missouri-based headlines noah will cover tonight title uh and what can only be described as an anti-abortion

homage to the most pg-13 parts of temple of doom missouri state representative mike moon posted youtube's first political chicken snuff film this week you have never been more wrong or less a member of vegan facebook groups oh yeah no right right wow who'd have thought there'd be worse parts about being a vegan than veganism response videos already happening just foghorn leghorn in a turban about to saw mike moon's head off i like it i like it angelo don't get any ideas so in the video moon is talking about being called back for a special session even though it's chicken slaughtering season and to underscore that point he beheads the chicken he was holding while he's talking about God giving him dominion over life. And then decapitated chicken corpse in hand.

He starts talking about how he's going to the state capitol to protect unborn fetuses and promises to get to the heart of the matter. And as a sight gag, as he's saying those words, he pulls out the chicken's heart with his bare hands and presents it to the camera like a fucking psychopath so clever what art you don't get it the matter when a facebook follower pointed out how gross the video was moon responded quote just think about how gross abortion is and gross is not the right That's not the problem. If you have a problem, I don't think. Do they rip out its heart in an illustrative manner? I only watch the Carly P. Arena videos. I'm not

Oh, well, yeah, right. No. And those ones. Illustrative? You mean like Kano doing a really slow step-by-step heart rip from a fetus? Yeah. They should have fatalities. Yeah, no, in a mortal combat,

Barack has little coat hangers that pop out of his arms and everything. I mean, there were babalities, but I was always unsure if they killed the baby after they turned into the baby, or did they, like, re-raise it as their own and then kill it? Mortal Kombat brings up a lot of questions,

guys. Oh man, they should have let you do a babality and then a fatality to the baby. The spine thing, the tiny little adorable spine, Scorpion. That was Sub-Zero. I should point out that as graphic

You did the fire face thing, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, I should point out that as graphic. Yeah, no. You did the fire face thing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, I should point out that as graphic as the video was, that's where my chicken comes from. So, you know, ripping the hearts out of the innocent isn't exactly a politically advantageous image or anything, but it's not inherently evil. I mean, Peter Singer and I disagree, but whatever. I don't want to do this on the air. Oh, look at me. I'm Peter Singer. I was voted one of Australia's 10 most influential

intellectuals for 2006. A list almost as exclusive as our top 10 tallest lion tamers list. Fuck Peter Singer. Fucking hack. But luckily, the anti-abortion bill he's touting is plenty evil enough to elicit agreement even from preference utilitarians or hedonistic

utilitarians or people like Peter Singer who seem to waver back and forth between the two with insufficient regard to intellectual cohesion. That's right. I said it. All I know is he told me it's okay to kill a broken baby

and I'm getting to be that age. No, I actually, I like Peter Singer quite a bit. Really pushing those lemon laws on Anna. I sit with a laptop on my lap all the time and I'm not going to find out what foods it'll eat. I'm just going to

just in an illustrative manner, I'll be like fatality. Exactly. And in I'll be back news tonight, we all have different ways of dealing with the loss of a family member. Some of us gain 80 pounds, then lose 100, then gain 40 back. Some of us grind away at a job in content creation.

Some of us use humor to cover the ever-spiring despair they feel. I feel like these are all you. Maybe, maybe. But in the case of Rock Church in Franklin, Virginia, it's asking your congregation to pray one of its members back to life. Oh, for fuck's sake. And y'all, be careful not to phrase your prayer in a monkey paw kind of way. We don't want him devouring the brains of the living when he comes back

and killing Herman Munster with a scalpel, now do we? Nobody wants it. Was there an episode of the Munsters where someone killed Herman Munster? TV was weird when you were a kid. Can I give you that payback? It was in Pet Sematary. They killed Herman Munster.

All right, entire family who's all watching TV together, you want to watch Herman Munster get killed or these rainbow colored bars? Yeah, me too. We love those bars, damn it. Bars are underrated. Yes, last week when

Pastor Danny Dillon's brother Ben passed away at the ripe old age of 43, his reaction was not to grieve and get over the death, but to make a video asking his congregation and presumably everyone who watches the video to pray, to literally bring his brother back to life, saying, quote, ever since Monday morning, we've been praying for resurrection.

When the paramedics were pumping his chest, when he was in the hospital and they announced his time of death, we've been believing God for a miracle. And if this is striking you as horribly depressing, just hold on to that feeling for the next time somebody acts like it gives people hope somehow justifies something. Thanks, Obama. Yeah. Now, look, on the one hand hand this is obviously incredibly tragic this is a young guy with young kids and the point of this story isn't to make fun of grieving desperate people but rather to point out that if you believe in prayer or allow people to believe in prayer unchallenged

there is absolutely no reason not to do this right what right yeah right i mean this is an exaggerated example but if you tell people prayer works why on earth wouldn't they pray for the dead to rise i mean as dylan points out in the video bible's pretty clear that it's possible and well i know that when this is over as danny has already caveated god wins either way i wanted to take a moment as someone who's experienced grief and still does to say how fucking horrifying this image is the image of this guy's wife praying for him to come back and how ashamed everyone who is part of that exploitation should be especially the ones that

make money from it right and finally tonight from the o2 soon file that's really fucking funny nobody can see how you spelled it because they don't know yet but that's really fun notation subscript get ready o2 soon file according to a homicidally credulous article in the sun last week some people don't eat food or drink water oh uh women in the first year you're dating no uh they're called breatharians and they claim to live off the pranic energy of the universe contained in air and sunlight huh and apparently that's just fine if that's what you're into spoiler it's not fine you will die die. Also, they're liars. These people obviously eat and drink if they're able to tell us that they don't eat.

Or they're dead now. Some of those people are dead now. Or they just started doing the breatharian thing like I did like 10 minutes ago. I feel like the average person goes more than 10 minutes, Heath. I keep saying that. I mean, your point's valid, but I think that's I mean, not the average one on this podcast. Keep in mind, the average person on this podcast eats a scotch-soaked vegan turducken

filled with marijuana once a year at 4 a.m. for breakfast dinner. So, you know, we are not representative. Our average is so interesting. All right, so the article in question focused on a married couple named I don't give a fuck who claimed to be living on a breatharian diet for the last nine years. But here's the thing. They're not actually living off air and sunlight.

No, they're just eating and drinking less. And they say that, but they go back and forth on it constantly the interview was like wow you guys really don't eat or drink yep yep just just air and sunlight so you don't eat or drink at all whoa we eat like fruit and drink broth but just like a little okay we're done this is a dumb interview also when you're not around the occasional cheeseburgers but no worries we're literally okay with you printing deadly advice based on our lie. If it offers us an illusory patina of fame among stupid people for a few seconds. Jesus fucking Christ.

I mean, as someone who fell for the Uber man sleep schedule a few years ago and had three very blurry, unpleasant days before Noah talked him out of it. I feel unqualified to comment. I just want to say people who live in class houses know that you need to sleep and you can't take a series of 10 minute naps or whatever the fuck I thought. So as far as I can tell

breatharianism, it's basically glorified anorexia with a bunch of religious nonsense being used to justify it terrible, point being it seems like nobody should have to say this but everybody should eat and drink

unless you have chloroplasts you probably can't photosynthesize food, and before you ask no, you don't have chloroplasts. There you go. Sunflower pulls his headphones out on the subway, unsubscribed. Now people will think he stole my joke in 10 weeks when that episode of Citation needed. Call Blackwood.

Flormund. What happened? No, I feel like this story could be true if they were like meth-arians. But even that nine years is a little long. Yeah. And in related news, area podcaster finally identifies his mortal enemies.

They're the opposite of you. He has an elaborate plan to eliminate the meth-arians. Faster than starvation was going to do that anyway. But until that's all taken care of, they're still here and talking to people and doing goddamn interviews. And we're certainly not letting them sit at our lunch counters.

So they're going to need their own. Let's put 30 seconds on the clock. Ideas for the breatharian restaurant. Go. Oh, um, Chipotle's anorexican bar and grill. At least this one won't give you the shits. Breathe

in and out. Chucky Wheezes? The the bronky old country buffet. All you can't eat and free chlor-re-fills. I like it. Happy birthday, Adam. That was a good one. Grana, thylakoid. Nope.

What about One Biology, guys? Love it. There's Grana and the little stacks of the thylakoid. Yeah! Do more notation! More notation! Thylakoid! Thylakoid! O2, O2!

Diatomic! Okay, um, what about oh two oh two diatomic okay um what about uh Fanda Express walking on air how about some fast food Lung John Silvers there we go

what about the Gastro Pub solids and liquids are for suckers Gastro Pub What about the gastro pub? Solids and liquids are for suckers. Gastro pub. And the menu there sucks, but I love the atmosphere. Biology, I like that one too. It was unrelated to the biology thing, but he liked that one.

Capillaries, giant subs. No, no. Starvebucks. Ooh, I like it. We know they cheat, so we need to account for that. How about inhale and hearty soups? Well done, sir. All right.

One more. I got a Wendy's. No, Wendy's. Wendy's. It's hip to be air. Oh, there you go. Yeah. And if you're a night person, they're open.

Hyperventilate. That's right. Ventilate. If you're having night person, they're open hyperventilate. That's right. If you're having night and airs. And with that reminder as to why puns have such a high reputation for comedy, we're going to close the headlines off for the night. Heath, Eli, thanks as always. You must be this tall to ride atheism.

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Please take a moment to check out the video, tweet it, share it, and tell your friends. Because goddammit, it's got a crucified My Little Pony in it. And now, back to the show. Really excited to welcome my next guest to the show marissa alexa mccool is an author a blogger a speaker on both secular and trans issues and still finds time to host a couple of podcasts somehow she's the author of the pc lie how american voters decided i don't matter and her fiction works include false start and the upcoming novel voice in the dark and when she's not writing she also co-hosts a number of podcasts including doubting dogma the sister getting out of hand and the inciting incident podcast and that's really just scratching the surface here but if i listed all the shit she did in her intro she would never get a chance to

talk so with that i'm simply going to add riss welcome to the scathing atheist thanks again for having me noah well i'll tell you what i'm getting some use out of the big lungs in that intro. Holy shit, that was like thanking donors at the end of a show right there. All right, so obviously there's any number of things I could be talking to you about, but I invited you on to talk specifically about an upcoming milestone for the Inciting Incident podcast. Before we get to that, I want to talk a little bit about the show because the name doesn't tell you a whole hell of a lot. What is the Inciting incident podcast well the name actually used to used to describe what the show was about um it started out as a film podcast uh we we uh got a

spot with some uh people at a at penn where i just graduated from and penn not penn state even people in that state mess it up. The Ivy League one, guys, come on. Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I was like, not the one where they touch little kids with football coaches, like the one that Trump graduated from. Well, yeah, right, right. No, they don't touch little kids.

They do grab pussies on occasion, but it's a whole nother thing. Yeah, so that's the only time I was really an elitist bitch because I was spending how much money. So it was going to be like, at least tell me that I'm going to the right school that has a terrible reputation for a certain reason. So the Inciting Incident podcast became a thing because there's a film group at UPenn that was looking for contributors. And at this point, I had gotten really into podcasting because of someone who might be on this call. But I saw that as the opportunity.

It's like I have a degree now. I was going toward a degree then. And one of the subjects is film. So the inciting incident, for those who don't know, is the moment in a film where the character has a choice afterward. He can either react to it or go home. So Star Wars, for an example, because I don't understand the space battles, but I know story structure similar. His uncle and aunt get killed. He has the choice to either avenge them or just do nothing. So that would be an inciting incident. And we started out that way. But there was the fact that all the people I wanted to get on the show were secular podcasters. So it started to transform pretty drastically after a couple of episodes. But everything really changed when I came out about my gender transition.

but everything really changed when I came out about my gender transition. And that was both in the face of a hate preacher, which I covered on gam when I was on and on the show, which was shortly after. And the tone of the show changed from person is trying to be funny, but yet talk about serious things to holy shit. Donald Trump is president. What the fuck is going on? Look at all these other things that are going on.

I've been told we've gotten a little more serious since then too, yeah. I can't imagine why. It's not like there's a dumpster fire going on. No, I will say, you know, I've been on your, to kind of reveal what an amazing circle jerk podcasting really is. I was recently on your show,

and I've got to say, I've done quite a few interviews at this point of like, you know, come on, talk about your podcast, et cetera, et cetera. And not as an insult to anybody who's ever interviewed me before, but those tend to be fairly formulaic interviews. And they're the same – I'm not faulting anyone because they're basically the same questions that I normally ask myself, so I'm a slave to that formula as well. But I want to say, you did a great job of sort of taking the conversation in new directions and trying to connect on an emotional level. I think that's really awesome. That's something that I think you do really well on your show. Is there anything other than that? And obviously your perspective, obviously we each bring our perspective to this, but is there anything else other than that that you really felt like you could add to the

conversation? Well, I have a unique background, one that doesn't really get confused for other people too much. I'm trans, I'm polyamorous, and I'm pansexual and autistic. So those four things alone pretty much give me a really unique perspective on the world. And the reason I'm able to improvise conversations like that is because I'm a Shakespearean trained actor. That's something I did at Penn. And I've spent years in improv. So the idea of coming up with things off the top of my head is not unusual. But it's also because I used to be a professional wrestler. And there's a lot of improv in that too, except it involves getting punched sometimes. So all of this cocktail of the neurodivergence of the way my brain works combined with the unique experiences I've had, and I'm an out trans woman, six foot tall with purple hair. So I get treated differently than a lot of people do simply based on either experience or expectation. So I can affirmatively say that absolutely no one

that I've ever met has ever gone, yeah, you're just like X. Yeah, it's because... Well, I'm sure that I speak for the entire audience when I say that's the first time I ever heard Shakespearean trained actor and former professional wrestler in the same like, you know, back to back sentences like that. So, yeah, yeah. No, no question. You bring a different perspective. All right. So now you've obviously you've got a big milestone coming up. Episode number 100 is on the horizon. It's going to be another what if you do this weekly 17, 18 years before you get to add another digit to the episode number after this. Something like that, yeah.

Yeah. What are you doing to mark the occasion? Well, there's a special place in my life for the Carlisle Theater. And that's because that's where Aiden and I got... Aiden's my husband, who is a trans man. That's where we got married last year. And I kind of got to live out my dream wedding, which was to write a play and perform it as the wedding. So when it came time to have a live show, because right after your GAM live show in Chicago, I was talking to someone we both know named Andrew Torres, who is never suggestive or has good ideas or anything and doesn't like to push his friends to do better. Never, never, absolutely never. I'm sitting there going, God, I wish I could do a live show. And he never, absolutely never. I'm sitting there going,

God, I wish I could do a live show. And he goes, why don't you do a live show? And I was like, yeah, why don't I do a live show? So I figured episode 100 would come in July. This is January at this point. And at that point, I knew I was graduating in the spring. And I was going to apply to grad school in Minnesota, which is where I am now as of like last week. So I thought this would be a good way to celebrate everything that Inciting Incident has been and is going to be. And I rented out the theater and sort of reached out to my favorite people and either said, hey, can you come on? Or hey, would you come? And of course, you guys were the first one I reached out to because you were my introduction into the skeptic community. And we've all become friends since then.

So it was a big deal to me to have you there. And then I reached out. Andrew was in before I asked him because if I say I'm going to be doing a juggling act in a volcano, he'll be like, be there first thing, Chris. And then Callie and Ari will also be there. Thomas is coming with Andrew for representing opening arcs.

But then, so I had previously done a Hail Mary pass to Chris Cluey to write the foreword to the PC lie. And I figured, why not try to see if it works again? And I said, hey, you were on a really important episode of our show, episode 67, because we recorded the night of election night. And you can both hear two perpetually bubbly people get slowly, slowly more and more depressed. here two perpetually bubbly people get slowly slowly more and more depressed so i reached out to him and said would you come to the live show because he has a he has a card game a role-playing game coming out and i said you know you could promote that or whatever else you want and he

was like yeah sure and that was it awesome and for those uh who don't know chris gluey's former punter uh in the nfl he was uh very outspoken about lgbt rights at a time when nobody in i mean really we're still in a time when no one in sports is and he's just also a phenomenally funny guy if you're a regular listener you've you've heard chris before but um that's that's awesome and i and i will say i i hate to admit it i'm i'm coming to meet chris gluey that's going to be really awesome he's pretty well i'm going to pretend like that just didn't factor into it for me at all. All right. So give us the specifics.

You are supposed to, it's at the Carlisle Theater, which is in? Carlisle, Pennsylvania. It's about 10 miles south of Harrisburg, the capital. And it's July 14th. The way it's going to be set up is there's going to be a VIP meet and greet with all the guests, including some of the non-on-stage guests. But from four to six,

we'll sit around, hang out, and get a chance to meet everybody. And then it'll be broken up into two parts. First, I'll have Gaytheist and Opening Args on, and then the second half, we'll have you guys and Chris Cluey on.

Awesome. Awesome. And of course, if you want to pick up tickets or find out more about Rissa's voluminous work, you're going to find all the links you'll need on the show notes for this episode. Rissa, is there anything else you wanted to plug while I had you here?

Sure. I got a book coming out. It's my fourth since coming out. It's called voice in the dark. And because I've kind of become a water protector with Flint, a certain percentage of all sales that go through me at riskmccool.com will go to help the wolves down in Flint. So I want to give them that shout out. And the book is... I think it's really good. It's speaking on what it's like to speak out and the negative

and positive consequences of choosing to do so, to use your voice. And you contributed, I believe you read it for your Patreon supporters, and also Dan Errol, Matthew O'Neill, Karen Garst, Gleb Sapersky, and my friend Melina Barrett, all pitched in pieces for it. Because anytime I write a book other than Silent Dreams, which is just a short book of poetry and essays, I like to bring other people on it with me. Because I learned from you and you learned this from Cogdiss. If your stock is rising, you want to try to bring as much of the community as you can with you. So if I can expose other writers to new voices while also putting out my own, I'm more than happy to do that. Awesome. Well, you don't hear it from me very often, but amen to that. All right. Well,

Riz, thanks again for your time. And I look forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks. Awesome. Thank you so much. This was really awesome to be on here. Before we let that Freight Tag Pyram pyramid level off altogether tonight, I wanted to urge you to check out our YouTube channel or our Facebook page or our Twitter feed for a brand new animated diatribe from our good friend Angelo Madrid of Madrid Tunes of Christian movie bingo fame.

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recitation needed debuting at noon eastern on wednesday obviously i'd be in a state of near criminal negligence if i didn't thank heath enright for all his wacky antics i need to thank lucinda illusions for all her nutty shenanigans i need to thank Eli Bosnick for his zany frolicsomeness. One more thanks to Riss, who also frolics zanily. Again, live show, podcast, books, etc. All linked on the show notes. And a quick thanks as well to Rachel from YouTube's very own The House of Atheists for providing this week's Farnsworth quote. So while you're on YouTube checking out that animated dry tribe, you can check out her channel as well, which will be linked in the show notes. But most of all, of course, I need to thank this week's most prominent hominids, Tim, James, Lucas, Nick, Julie, The Price But most of all, of course, I need to thank this week's most prominent hominids,

Tim, James, Lucas, Nick, Julie, The Price of Reason, Stephanie, Maleka, George, Ben, Zach, and Nathan. Tim, James, Lucas, and Nick, whose dicks are bigger than Jesus and the Beatles combined. Julie, The Price of Reason, Stephanie, and Maleka, whose masterful ninjitsu is the only thing standing between atheism and complete domination by the forces of Chuck Norris. And George, Ben, Zach, and Nathan,

whose ejaculations are so massive, they co-star Anna Del Torp and Christopher Yoner. And if you don't get that joke, it's your own fault for underappreciating Norwegian cinema. I offer no apologies. Together, these twelve tremendously titillating totems of tenderheartedness traded temporal treats to tangle with the terrifying

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