The Sevan Podcast - #102 - Rich Froning

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

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Back to YouTube live. Oh, it's not disrespect to be on your phone. It's a generational thing. You know, there, there's these group of people who think like it's rude if you're at dinner with people and they're texting and it's just like, Hey, that's just the way it is now. I mean, not for me. Well, I'm not above that shit. Actually. I was going to get on my high horse, but I better, I better stay off it for a second. Ryan, you got to figure out this split screen stuff. Yeah, blame Brian.

Thank you so much. Because you guys are always yelling at me for moving the screens around. And just so you know, there's a delay and I don't even watch the YouTube version. So you guys think I'm watching the YouTube version, but I'm not. Rich and I are watching on some like

outside software called Riverside. Yeah, that's awesome. Rich. That's a great angle for you too. I'm on wifi now. Hey, thanks. I'm about to, I've got it.

The phone is sitting in a shoe, like a kid's shoe right now. So got all this high tech equipment. Where are you? In my truck. It's a quiet place away from the kids. At your house? Yeah.

It's my studio, you know? Rich Froning from the Mayhem Empire has probably one of the most beautiful podcast studios known to man, and yet he is not soft, and he continues to challenge himself in situations where failure can occur. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, yeah. Truck works. I know you guys want to hear Rich speak, but I got to go off for just a second and explain something to you. So when I was in 2010 or 11, I can't remember.

I heard about this guy named Rich Froning. CrossFit was exploding. I was at the beginning of, it was a very small media team. I went out and saw Rich. I was super duper into photography and I felt like meeting Rich was cheating. I was immediately blown away. You couldn't take a bad picture of him. He was cool as shit. He was accommodating beyond belief. He introduced me to his wife, his mom, his dad. He let me into his home. I stayed for a week, I think on a couple occasions.

And at the time, Rich didn't have a wife. He didn't have kids. I think he maybe just bought his first home. And I was in a similar situation. I didn't have a wife. I didn't have kids. Neither of us really had money. And didn't have kids. Uh, neither of us really had money and we were both, there was a, when we came together, I think I can't speak

for rich, but, um, it was two guys who were, uh, really embracing life and going hard and having a blast. And for me, it was, uh, love at first sight. And over the, over the years as, um, Rich's life grew and he, he, you have four kids now, Rich? Three. Oh, okay. Do you know how many I have? You have four, right? Three. Three. Perfect. Yeah. Good answer. Okay. I don't have social media anymore. So I just, you don't, well, we'll get to that so uh you know once you hear after your friends no matter how close they are after they have one kid you just stop oh you're done it's done yeah for sure so now rich has homes um coffee shops um wife one home a wife no one wife too right one wife i got okay okay um and you guys all know what he's doing. You've seen it. I'm sure we don't know all what he's doing, but he's a very, very busy man. And my life has grown too. And over those years, Rich and I, because we had an intimate connection in the early years when there wasn't a lot of stuff around us, we connected. And over the years, we grew apart. And as his business grew and my business grew, there were times when there were bumps in the road.

And I wouldn't say anything of it was – I never saw any of it as part of his character. I don't know if he saw it as part of my character. I think we both know that there were a lot more pieces. But then when the two of us came together and it was just man to man, we would always stay connected, but we did, but we did drift apart and it wasn't, um, it wasn't something I enjoyed, but, um, we both had to do what we had to do. And, uh, it's, it's not, there's no like, um, vicious drama. It all worked out great for us. Um, but what is really weird but what is really telling about rich and is that he has no he has no reason to come on this podcast and um there's uh i'm wanting to talk to you that's why i'm here yeah that's awesome and uh and so and i'm and i'm excited and i'm super duper excited that

he's letting me leverage wanting to talk to me by helping me uh pursue this this whole podcast thing so it um it's huge this is like a this is like a huge moment for me. So you guys bear with me and bear with Rich here. I'm happy to see you again. Yeah, you're the man, buddy. You're the man. When Rich won the CrossFit Games, you're still with Reebok, Rich? Yes. I've got two years left on my contract, two and a half.

And is that the original contract you signed? No. This would be my third contract with them awesome congratulations ma'am um when rich won the crossfit games i bought uh well i didn't buy i asked a reebok for 10 of these shirts and they thought i was ridiculous um i wear at least one rich froney shirt every single day that's not hyperbole um it is like my go-to shirt. Usually when the day's over, I slap on one of these and I have 10 from this year and 10 from the year after. And I know people think I'm crazy and they're like, but it's just the way it is.

It's just the way it is. I appreciate that. Thanks for the support. Are you terrified that Tommy Hackenbrook's putting a team together for next year? Are you just shivering in your boots? I love Tommy. No, I love Tommy. I just heard about this yesterday, actually. Andrea texted us. No, no.

Who told me? Andrea told us that Christy Aramos is putting together a team. Who else? Somebody else. Christy Aramos putting together a team. Who else? Somebody else. One of the guys that works out in the barn in the afternoons said that Tommy posted something about it. Like I said, last March, I guess it was, I removed all social media from my phone.

So I don't really know anything about what's going on in the CrossFit world day to day. So you're not even doing your own Instagram anymore? So what I do is we have Jennifer at Mayhem runs it. Um, I, I either clean up kind of, she'll either write up something, like if it's a sponsor or something, something that we have to get in. Um, I don't really touch those that much. Um, but for the most part, you know, I I'll send a picture or, Hey, will you put this tag on it or whatever? I just got to where, I mean, and you know how it is, you get, um, connected or get on your phone and it just kind of snowballs. And it was taking time away from my family. And, um, I just, there was no good coming out of social media for me. And so I decided to kind of step back from it and have

not turned back since and absolutely love it to be honest so it is essentially me on my instagram but i'm not typing any of the stuff that goes on to the actual app and there's so much access to you on all the media you guys have going anyway yeah we do a lot of youtube and um you know all of our our mayhem athlete stuff uh we have kind of a live stream that you know we do a lot of back and forth with people so um you know i you know, I, I just, like I said, I, I'm, I'm weak, uh, when it comes to that stuff, the algorithm knows what to, how to attack me. And so, um, I'd rather spend that time with my kids. So it's been good. Is it, um, so it would be scrolling, not DMS. Yeah. Yeah. Scrolling. I would just, you know, and I didn't even follow

anybody. I would just go to the discover and you just, before you know it, you're, you know, 20 clicks deep. And I was like, all right, this is, there's nothing productive coming out of this. So what do you do when you go to the bathroom now? Uh, I tried to either, uh, look at sports news. Um, I try to stay away from anything real world news. I mean, I do read into that stuff, but, uh, man, it's just, there's just so much happening on the planet to bring you down. Uh, it's tough. Yeah. How do you stay within a pretty tight radius of your, of your compound? My compound? Um, yeah, we, everybody kind of, uh, talks, talks about that, but yeah, I'm a homebody. I like being home. You know, we do travel quite a bit.

Uh, but if I'm, if I'm here, I try to stay here as much as I can. I just, you know, I'm a homebody. I like being home. You know, we do travel quite a bit. But if I'm if I'm here, I try to stay here as much as I can. I just you know, I I like to, you know, the barn where we train, I'd say 75 percent of the time is within 100 yards of the house. So the kids can come back and forth and in and out. And, you know, they make up their own workouts or just trash everything else around here. Or if I go to the gym nine times out of 10, they'll go with me and just kind of hang out and run around. So, you know, they really like hanging out with dad right now. And I know in probably five or six years, they're not going to want to hang out with dad as much. So I want to get as much in as I can and have as much time with them right now while they do like me.

Would a three-day period go by and you didn't leave the property? Yeah, that happens pretty regularly. Yeah, that's awesome. So you've made your own, I don't know what the word is, Garden of Eden. Oasis. Yeah, Oasis. Yes. Yeah, that's awesome. made your own i don't know i don't know what the word is garden of eden oasis yeah oasis yes yeah that's awesome the only thing we're missing at this point i would like to have some type of pool uh just to get so dang hot you know we will go up to like for swimming like actual swimming

laps that's really the only piece of equipment or piece of anything that i'm missing from my entire fitness like we just built some trails up in the woods so we can, uh, now mountain bike in the woods if we want to. Um, like I said, pool is pretty much all we're missing. What are you waiting for? I don't know. That's a lot of money. It is a lot of money, right? Yeah. It's crazy. And you probably want something crazy too, right? I would like to have a lap pool. That's, that's my only thing about it is i'd like to have one lane of a lap pool you know that's that's not too much to ask but the wife thinks it is so what do you think saying like a 20 by 50 pool or 10 by 50 or uh are you thinking a lane next to

a giant pool for the kids a lane next to a pool that the kids can enjoy i mean you know kids kids and pools it's the only way to get them to sleep. In the summer, it keeps them busy for hours. Really, honestly, that's what it's all about. I want the kids to be active, and they love that type of stuff, getting in the pool. Like I said, it's a really good babysitter. You just got to hang out and watch them. How many acres are you on?

good babysitter just kind of hang out and watch them how many acres are you on uh we have 165 now um between yeah 165 and does that stress you out um you know we've got the the bison herd on probably 50 of it so that probably 50 of it needs to be, you know, overly maintained. The rest of it is just pretty much woods and then some, a little bit of pasture that we use for some hay. We have some horses too out, out the other side. So it doesn't really stress me out. There's not a, you know, there's, there's some work, obviously you need to make sure the fences and all that stuff are good and the animals are all right. The cool thing about bison is they're pretty hands-off. They're really cool to look at though. There's, you know, there's a ton of

history with them and, uh, there's just something, I don't know, primal, I guess about, you know, looking out and seeing bison in the front yard. I have a half acre and it stresses me out. I mean, I enjoy it, but fuck man, there's a lot to do. Well, there's a half acre. There's a lot more, you can see it. It's, you know, kind of front and center with the 165 acres. A lot of it, but fuck, man, there's a lot to do. Well, there's a half acre. There's a lot more. You can see it. It's, you know, kind of front and center with the 165 acres. A lot of it you don't even see because it's woods and all that type of stuff. So, yeah, it is stressful, but it's a good stress. You know, I mean, you know my parents.

There's always something to do. So, for me, it's a lot of the same where I just, you know, something to do and something for the kids. It's been pretty cool. You know, the, the whole reason we started the farm in the first place was growing up. I never had, we didn't live on a working farm, but we had chores and stuff to do. So I wanted the kids and, um, you know, wanted some, the, us to have some chores and some stuff that we could take care of together. And so it's come full circle. You know, the coolest thing was, I guess, last, it was last December. It's starting to, you know, spit snow. It was kind of a crappy evening and I had to go put out hay for the bison. And Lakeland looks at me and she's

like, oh, I want to go. And I'm like, Lakeland, it's, it's dark. It's 30 degrees outside. It's like, it's not, it's not fun out. Like you can help me tomorrow. And she's like, no, I'm coming. I want to help. And so for an hour, we were out there putting hay out and she was right there with me. And, you know, in my head, I'm like, man, this is, this is why we did this in the first place. So it's been pretty cool. Like this morning, um, you know, it's this, this time of year, I get to spend a lot more time and a lot less stressed, um, with the kids. And so this morning Lakeland went to school. So me and the little two went out and checked fences and, um, just got out there and kind of check. We put the bison in a new pasture out back and they haven't been out in that one yet. So I just wanted to make sure they were kind of, um,

handling it. Okay. And so me and the little two went out there and while we were driving in the truck, we found some Turkey feathers. So they're fighting over who gets which Turkey feather. And you know how it is kids, man. I don't know about your kids, but my kids just pick at each other and just fight all the time. And that's really the only source of any type of them in trouble all the time is like, they just pick at each other, but it is when it's kids. How old are your kids? Uh, Lakeland is seven, uh, trice. So Richard the third, he is, uh, four. And then Violet is three. Yeah. You know know what's interesting is when they're in the house there's a lot of that picking on each other and a lot of that fighting but like if you open the door and like let them out into the wild yeah it's just kind of like yeah that that is pretty

good for us i will say except for that we have an in-ground trampoline and they just fight the wrestle you know hillary is uh she's a mama bear so she and she grew up with a sister so she doesn't understand that hey a little wrestling's okay like i tell them ground game is okay but once you start swinging then we're having problems you know uh but she does not stand for that she does not appreciate that or like that yeah my kids wrestle a lot the the the kicking in the face is hard to watch yeah i try to i try i try not to step in but i'm not good at it i always ah no no we're not gonna kick in the face or or if they're running away and lakeland comes up and just shoves him trice from the back which happens a lot especially

if he's going towards no clipping something concrete or something exactly i'm like no shoving in the back um so you know i try to let them handle most of their stuff between them. But I do step in quite a bit. I get in trouble more, though, for not stepping in than I do for stepping in. Right. Right. Me too. There's the what are the roles? The mom's role is to nurture. Yeah.

The mom's role is kind of to protect the kids from the dad. Yeah, it's accurate. That's definitely accurate in our situation. Yeah, I'm the roughhouser or the, you know, I'm a glorified playmate. I'm not good with kids until they're about eight months to nine months old. I'm a glorified playmate. That's, you know, the whole deal with me. Hillary is an incredible nurturer.

She's an incredible mother. She's an incredible nurturer. She's an incredible mother. She is a protector and like just, you know, wants them safe. And she's incredible with that. And I want my kids safe, but I want them to learn how to be safe by doing dangerous things, you know. Right. I fully get it. You know, it's funny. Over the years, when you stepped away from individual competition, one of the reasons, as I recall recall that you gave was that like, Hey, I need to spend more time with my family. And I always wondered until hearing you talk now, I wonder if that's true because it's hard to see that from the outside because you're doing team and you're doing so much, but look at here we are 10 minutes into the conversation. And you're telling me about

last night going out with Lakeland and today going out with your kids. So you really are getting in that kid time. Well, yeah. I mean, honestly, the biggest thing is I probably train similar to the amount of time if we're being 100 percent honest. But when I'm done training, I'm done training. I'm not all consumed, obsessed with what I'm going to do tomorrow. I mean, obviously, there's probably six weeks out of the year, the final six weeks leading up to the games, um, where that is in my head. But this time of year, even when I was an individual, I was thinking about, all right, what do I got to do? I still need to maintain. I got to do this. I got to do that. Um, I mean, to be the best in the world at anything, I mean, you talked to Matt quite a bit, you know, you have to be obsessed, uh, to be the best. And I knew that,

uh, I couldn't do that and be a dad. And so, like I said, I still train probably as much. I'm a lot smarter about, you know, how I, you know, get in, get out, all that type of stuff. But I'm not, when I'm done training, I'm not thinking about what I need to be doing training wise next or stress if I miss something, you know, like there's been, there was times this year where Lakeland had soccer games on Saturday morning, relatively early, or, you know, right around the time we would normally train. And I would, I'd miss that session. I'd make it up later somehow. But it wasn't either with the whole group or whatever it was. And I wasn't probably doing as much as I thought I would need to do, but she's definitely more important than, you know, a missed training session.

So, so really it's like that? It's like Hillary will tell you, you'll see pop up on your calendar, Hillary will tell you, hey, Lakeland has a soccer game Saturday at 9 a.m., and you won't do your training, you'll go to the soccer game, huh? Yeah, I won't. Or I might get up a little bit earlier than I normally would, an hour or two earlier, and try to get something in. We're all psychos, and I think you're probably the same same way where I need to do something or else I'm not pleasant

to be around. Yeah. We've been doing this so long that it's like, all right, just, I just need to get out of breath, break a sweat, something like that. Um, just to make me feel better, I guess. And so, you know, that might happen or I might, you know, like I said, do it later on, whatever it is, but it might not be the whole quality of session that I normally would on a Saturday. So, um, and you know, that's really where the point, like when I get to the point where I feel like I'm missing more of that

stuff, um, training wise and not a valued or productive member of the team, that's when I'll step away from that as well. You know, it's the, um, the kids are always going to, and my parents were incredible with that. Um, like, you know, we're always going to, the kids are going to be at the forefront for sure. Um, this morning. So this morning, uh, you and I were texting, we were trying to set up a time and you're like, Hey, I'm going to grab a workout and then let's do this. And I said, okay. And then I'm like thinking to myself, fuck this guy, this guy's going to go get all clear eyed and shit and bright eyed and be all alert. You're not. And I'm not.

So I'm like, all right. So I text you back. I'm like, OK, I'm going to ride the assault bike for 15 minutes hard, jump in the shower. I'm not going to let him. Yep. Yep. Can't one up. You can't FOMO that.

You probably did a lot more than 15 minutes on the assault bike. But for me, that was like, OK, I'm going to and I pushed really hard and I'm like, okay, I'm not going to let them be sharper than me. There you go. There you go. That mental clarity of the fit and the fitness just kind of clears out all the junk. But you didn't shower. I bet I did not know. I'm still in, uh, I sweat. It's, it's kind of, you know, everybody jokes or makes fun of me cause I never have a shirt on, but if I'm to wear a shirt through a workout, uh, it's going to add probably another 10 pounds with how much I sweat. So that's training is best training when you wear a shirt. Well, yeah, well, earlier we did a best workout. So we're, there's two things that I'm kind of training for right now. Um, we're doing

an off-road triathlon next weekend. Um, so it's more of a sprint. It's just an 800 swim, a 17 mile mountain bike, and then a three and a half mile trail run. I did one last year. I'd done a couple of triathlons and I just didn't really enjoy the on the road versions, but we did an off-road one last year and had a ton of fun. Um, so we're doing that. So I'm kind of preparing for that a little bit. When I say training, like I'm just adding a little bit of an endurance session every couple of days, just so I don't look like a jackass out there with all the actual, uh, really good endurance people. And then we're going on an elk hunt in September, um, kind of backwoods back country. Um, and so preparing for that. So today we just did, it was like a 400 meter jog, um, a 30 box step ups to 20 inches and then a 240 foot sled push, uh, for eight rounds. So

it was like 40 something minutes. So it was just kind of a slow grind with, with a 20 pound vest. Who's we, uh, me and Angelo. Awesome. Is, is, is he like, is he all there all year round? That guy? Yeah. So Angelo, Angelo lives in Cook in cookville uh he's a firefighter in uh in cookville city fire uh we kind of joke that angelo did my career in reverse where he won the games as a teen and then went to be a firefighter uh but no angelo is a great kid he's going through emt school right now uh but firefighting and then i think he's doing the uh madrid uh event in october i think so he's kind of training event in October, I think. So he's kind of training for that right now. Did really well in the semifinal.

I was proud of him. He wasn't really going to compete this year, and we needed an alternate. And so I said, hey, I need you to do the open. So he did the open and then qualified for a semifinal or for a quarterfinal and then through the quarterfinals qualified for the semifinal. So it's been good to have him around. He's's a good kid he's an idiot like all of us at 21 22 uh but he's a good kid and uh proud of him proud of what he's doing so he's going on the elk hunt with us and actually doing the triathlon with us so we've been kind of just kind of grinding

what a trip just to have someone just in the stable of athletes around you that you're like hey we need you as an alternate make sure you get past yeah get to the semi-finals yeah um rich do you know anyone who sweats more than you have you have you ever like like looked over at someone been like oh shit you sweat a lot there's people that i that sweat probably equal to me but i i'm a pretty uh i'm pretty aggressive sweater so uh one of scott Vander Sloot, one of our camera guys, he sweats pretty good. Uh, Oh, that's tough as a camera guy. That's tough. Yeah. Scott works like his hand sweating shit. He's just like, you'll look at him. And he's, you know, he does a lot of moving though, while we're working out,

like, you know, he's very, uh, he's very involved camera guy, but he gets pretty sweaty. I've been, there's been a couple of times. I'm like, well, that's impressive. Wow. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Have you ever destroyed a weight vest? Have you ever had to retire a weight vest because you've sweated out?

I was looking at mine today. It's from the games, I guess, in 16 maybe when we got them. And it's about to that point where it's, it's starting to unravel. So I think it's, it's time. Like it's got, it's got hope me in spots, you know, like it has some like salt buildup, salt, gross. Yeah, that's gross. It weighed 10 pounds when you got it with no plates and now it weighs 15 because of all this. Exactly. Exactly. Rich, I'm reading this book. Um, I've been, the last couple of books I've read is a book called range and a book called bounce. And then,

um, and the premises is like what, that there's really people with a broad range of skills. It's better to have a broad range of skills and be a specialist. And I remember hearing you say, you know, early on that, you know, that you, as much as you love CrossFitfit that you think kids should be playing a lot of different sports and a lot of different activities and then i was um reading this i'm reading this book bounce and it's talking about what to say to kids basically what you can say to ruin them and what you can say to make them achieve and then i keep seeing confirmation of it one of the confirmations i saw the other day was i saw uh khabib do you know who that is? Nirmat Gamenov. Yeah. UFC guy.

Yeah. Champion. And he was saying that after his fights, he would win a fight and then he would call his dad back in Russia and his dad would tell him he wouldn't, his dad would never say, Hey, congratulations. His dad would just tell him all the things he's done wrong. And, um, and, and, and this book bounce, they were saying that like, Hey, you shouldn't tell a kid that they're smart because when you tell a kid that they're smart and they start to believe it, what it does is it builds a fear of failure in them because then they don't want to try anything that would expose the fact that they're not smart because they're living up to this – their parents trying to say they're smart.

So if I understood the book correctly, basically the thing to tell your kid is, man, you're a hard worker. Man, you're a hard worker. Because in the end, hard work is what pays off. Just grind. And to tie this back, and I would like to get your input on it, but to tie it back, when I first came out to visit you, your dad jokingly and just, but I'm sure there's some truth to it, said, hey, the only reason why Rich Froning Jrr is so fit is because of his chores i put this kid to work um does any of that resonate with you did your dad was did your dad how did your dad encourage you to to like not be afraid of failure how did your mom encourage you to not be afraid of failure and were you always just a grinder honestly Honestly, I think, you know, for my, with my parents, um, there's like, who are you trying to impress? I think them, I think, you know, there's a lot of things I think

that go into, you know, just why, you know, it's almost like a perfect storm of a bunch of things. You know, I grew up, uh, we did like chores. We, there was, I used to get so, um, like mad when my friends would come over. Cause my parents, I just felt like they were like, Ooh, more, more hands for chores. Um, you know, when I would go up to Michigan, my aunts, you know, it was like, Hey, we had chores to do. There was all these types of, there was a ton of us cousins. So, um, but my, my parents, I guess I'm, I say that to say they didn't just say, go do this, fix this, whatever. They were either out there with us or doing something else working. So they led by example. There was never like I didn't feel like they were telling us just to to make us do something.

It was like something needed to get done and they were going to go do their, you know, whatever they had to get done. And so they were there. I always say that they're the two hardest working people in any room that I've ever been in. And so for me, the leadership style that I've always had is not a ton of words. I'm not going to do a rah-rah pep speech or anything like that. I really hate. or anything like that. I really hate, I'm not a huge fan of slogans or like, you know, motivational speeches or motivate, you know, motivational talk, that type of stuff. It's more of a lead by example. And so there was that, there was the, as a kid, you know, there's, I'm one of, on my mom's side alone, there's 32 of us first cousins. Twenty five of us are boys. The seven girls are just as good of athletes as the 25 boys.

And so everything, every family get together. It was, hey, let's see who can run around the pond the fastest. Let's see who can swim across the fastest, who can ride their bike the fastest. And so as a kid, I thought that was, hey, they want us to see who the most dominant cousin is. And now I realize they were just trying to make us tired. You know, now that I have kids, I'm like, oh, I get it now. But at the time, you know, it was, hey, it was this competition that was, you know, fight to those type of things, I guess, kind of blended into why I am the way that I am and how I either parent or how I compete or anything like that. And so, you know, I know that there's there's some holes in a lot of that stuff, but, you know, it all kind of worked out in the end, I think. So so culturally, it sounds like my upbringing to My parents were always the first one awake. I never, I can never remember seeing my mom or dad ever sleep in.

Right. And they were the last one up at night and they, and they, and they didn't. And when they went to bed, they weren't watching TV. They were like working, cleaning the kitchen. My mom was an attorney. She'd have her shit set out on the table. My dad would be like at the store late. So, and you're right. That's interesting. And my parents, and I said, who are you trying to impress? But maybe the other side of the coin is who are you trying not to let down? Let down. It's kind of like the same thing. Yep.

Yeah. And that other thing that they said about people telling you that you're smart, that really resonated with me too. Because as a child, I remember like people were always telling me, you're so smart, you're so smart, you're so smart. And then I never wanted to do anything that would expose the fact that I wasn't smart. But hard work was always like grinding and like, Hey, dig that hole. Well, you couldn't, you can't fuck that up. So I was like, yeah, I can do that. Or like we would go to a, you know, a banquet or something, someone would be like, set the table. And you're you're like yeah i'll fold more napkins than any other kid here and i'll fold them better right but you probably weren't so when you said chores you probably had different

chores than me like i was told like get the vacuum cleaner and dust the corners and that would take oh man we had that i did that type of stuff we had you know house depending on time of the year but there were house chores there were like you know we had to weed flower beds we had, you know, house depending on time of the year, but there were house chores. There were like, you know, we had to weed flower beds. We had to, you know, my mom used to, which is crazy. She would around trees in the yard. She would want us to edge and pull the weeds away from the tree. And I'm like, what? We had to pick up at, we had these kind of apple trees on the property.

We'd have to get up, pick up sour apples so they wouldn't, you know, get bees all over the place. And I don't know, like it was just at the time I'm like, what, why are we doing this stupid stuff? But, um, now I look back and I'm like, all right, I, you know, I appreciate that. It's Hey, you can go do the, the lowliest job there is. Cause somebody has got to do it. And, and, um, like I said, my parents and, you know, they were never above doing any of that stuff. They just, if they had more hands to help, they were going to have more hands to help. Did your mom have an edger? Uh, like a stick with that. Oh, okay. Yeah. But I know what you're talking about. Stick with the wheel. Yeah, no, we just

used a shovel and you just kind of like You wouldn't really dig it You just kind of pop it up And then you'd pull the weeds and tamp out the dirt and then chuck the dirt and you'd come by with a wheelbarrow And pick it up my aunt Uh, she you know if the the grass got too long when she would mow Um, they had five six acres and then she had six boys Um, she would mow and it was before they had like baggers for the

extra glass grass clippings and so we'd have to walk around with a wagon scrape up some grass throw it in the wagon pitch it in the weeds and you know for two and a half hours we would do that that was the worst and then if you got in trouble they had a big pond and in michigan you have swimming ponds they'd have decorative rocks around it if you got in trouble you'd pick weeds for 45 minutes or whatever it was so like a like out of the decorative rocks i hate we If you got in trouble, you'd pick weeds for 45 minutes or whatever it was. So like, like out of the decorative rocks, I hate weeding. That's the one thing on this planet. I, I absolutely despise. Yeah. I was scarred from that as a kid too. And whoever invented that wheel should have their ass beat. Yep. Exactly. Cause that would, that's horrible. Um, what do you do? What do you do? Do you have any stuff like that? You do domestic stuff that you do that would

surprise us. Like every morning I wake up, I take the dog out at 6 a.m. and I walk around my backyard barefoot with like five poop bags just like I'm like obsessed with like there not being any poop that my kids step in. Or like I love doing the wash. I don't like folding the clothes, but I love putting the clothes in the wash and putting the soap in and making sure like it gets an extra rinse. Do you do any of that stuff? Oh man, I do all of it really. You know, I don't really clean up poop. Um, our dogs are pretty good about going outside the yard. Um, but when's the last time you stepped in poop? Last time I stepped in poop or tri stepped in poop. Um, last time I've stepped in poop, it's been a while. Oh good. Okay. The last time i've stepped in poop it's been a while oh good okay the kids randomly step in poop but it's been a long time actually honestly i don't know if they they're the feet their feet because the the rubber around the barn out here is so dirty i guess just from outside weather and stuff that trice yesterday looked like he came out of a

coal mine his shins were black his stomach's black So you didn't have a shirt on his, he had like black on his face, all this everywhere. So, um, yeah, there could have been some shit in there. Who knows? Um, but yeah, no, I mean, I vacuum, um, you know, there's never any, like, I won't, we don't have any, I guess, gender assigned,assigned chores. Like if something needs to be vacuumed, I'll vacuum. If Hillary wants to vacuum, she'll vacuum. Uh-oh, we lost him. We lost him. We lost you.

Rich, we lost you. We lost your audio. Ryan, you have any thoughts on that? Is that my fault or is that Rich's fault? Can you guys not hear me or you don't hear rich oh good that makes me feel so much better yeah i hate vacuuming you know i don't like oh i don't like vacuuming because i don't like breaking the vacuum cleaner out and i don't like putting the cord away. But sometimes my wife will vacuum and leave it out, and so then I'll be like, shit, I'll get a few miles in on this thing. But then I just put it back in the corner and hope someone else riles the cord up.

We have the central vac. Oh, that's nice. It is nice, but it's also a pain in the ass as well. is nice but it's also a pain in the ass as well um i don't really know like sometimes i don't you like you there you have this little mess right that you got to clean up you have to get this you know 25 foot piece of hose out and coil it up and it's usually downstairs because it's the only place it's out of the you know what honestly what i hate the most what turning lights off oh because everybody in my house my house turns the lights on upstairs, downstairs. Like we have, you know, we have three levels with the basement and the kids

play downstairs. Well, they leave all the lights on downstairs. Well, then at the end of the night, they played upstairs at some point and they turned the light, left the lights on upstairs. And so I have to, and I'm usually really sore by the end of the day. So I have to shuffle downstairs, turn off all the lights, shuffle all the way back upstairs, turn off the lights because the kids are afraid to go in the dark once they turn off the lights, that type of deal. So it's – That's a sign that you're getting old. That's awesome. Old. Old. That's what it is. Are you like, shit, I sound like my parents? I know. I like shit. I sound like my parents. I know. I know. Right.

You said you get you mentioned getting sore when I was how old are you? You're thirty five. Thirty four. Yeah. Just thirty four. OK, so I found CrossFit when I was thirty four. And when I would work out, I would get sore the next day. Now I'm forty nine. And sometimes it takes me two days to get sore. It's bizarre. I'm assuming that's normal as you get older. But the next day, I'll be like, shit, I'm not sore at all. I'm a beast. I'm good.

And then the next day, I'm crippled. Are you noticing that your soreness is taking longer and longer to set in? Yeah. It usually is now either the afternoon after a hard day or the next morning. Who's calling you, Rich? Who's calling you? I'm going to text him and slap him around. Random people.

That was one that I don't even know. Can you still hear me? I don't know why it's doing that. I'm here. I hear you. I hear you. Okay. So it was this week.

We kind of still do some stuff with Coach B. And so I was doing some, I guess. Hey, guys. His audio went out again. Rich, your audio went out again. Rich. Rich. Hey, Rich.

Rich, your audio went out. I'm waggling my finger at him hopefully he'll see it that we can't hear him oh maybe he can't see me that's why he's not he's not stopping talking ryan what do you think what's going on how come he's still talking do i have to text him we can't hear you What's going on? How come he's still talking? Do I have to text him? We can't hear you? I can't hear you. We need a signal so when I can't, I can't hear him.

Bam. Not now either hi babe well it's going good um we got rich on we got his face on that's like 51 but we just have it struggling with audio a little bit but we see his face that's always a good part of the show yeah don't worry. My wife says all we need is your face. Nope, can't hear you. That would be an incredible way to end the show, right? We're just warming up. I said it before that Ford hacked into his phone. Who's Ford?

That truck is beeping like mad once in a while. Yeah, it's good. It's all good. This is the best CF podcast, but Breathe, Move, Adapt is closing ground. Breathe, Move, Adapt. Let's go check it out. God, I hope they take over so I can go back to my kids. How's that?

Good. Hey, I'm in airplane mode now. So hopefully that'll fix it. Oh, that's awesome. That gave me a chance to read some of the comments. It sounds like that there's a better podcast than mine coming up. It's called Breathe, Move, Adapt. Oh, nice.

Who's that? I don't know, but I'm excited about it because then I can stop podcasting. I'm only doing it because I'm the best. There you go. I feel an obligation. So soreness. Sorry, I missed the soreness thing. So your soreness is changing as you get older. Yeah, so it's usually two days.

I was saying that we do a lot of stuff with Coach B, and for some he decided after the games that uh the cycle is a lot of heavy squatting and so on monday there was some back squats and then some front squats and it wasn't incredible like nothing high percentage but it was kind of a 10 8 and then three sets of six and then four or five sets of five front squat and by wednesday i was more sore than i was after the CrossFit game. So that was fun. Did you know that Jacob Heppner and Josh are supposed to fight? And I say supposed to. I saw both of them at the games. And I've talked to Josh a little bit about his boxing career. And it started off that it was going to be in Vegas.

And then it moved to Jacksonville, Florida. And you probably don't know this since you're not on social media but now it's been moved to dubai oh wow and the guy on the main card um the the guy from game of thrones i think is i i don't know if i'm saying this right but half thor oh okay yeah okay um he was strong man right yes sir and he was supposed to fight ed Hall, and I guess that guy dropped out due to an injury. So it's got some issues, although I'm still excited to see whatever. Oh, do you know who Maurice Puginowski is? Of course you know who that is, right?

Yeah, that's another strongman, right? Yeah. I guess he's going to step up and possibly fight him. Is there anything – and it sounds like some of these guys – it sounds like Josh does like boxing, but it sounds like some of these other guys like Jacob Heppner when he Josh does like boxing, but it sounds like some of these other guys, like Jacob Heppner, when he came on the podcast, was very clear that basically he's doing it for the money. I mean, he likes new sports, but if the money wasn't right, he wouldn't do it. Is there anything that you, would you do something like that if the money was right?

Like, would you do, like, you know, I know people are always saying, hey, he should do a one-on-one with Matt Fraser as a CrossFit workout. Or would you ever do a boxing? Like if the money was right, like if someone was like, Hey, Rich, uh, we want you to fight Josh. And after he beats up Jacob Heppner, here's a half a million dollars. Yeah. I mean, for the right money, you can't, uh, you know, I got, I got kids, I got stuff to think about in the future. So yeah, I mean, um, as much as people want to say money doesn't matter, it does, you know, money does speak. So, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I don't like getting I wouldn't want to get hit in the face. You know, I'm pretty soft when it comes to that.

So how about how much would it take for you to fight Half Thor to go to Dubai and fight Half Thor? He'd probably kill me with one punch. So it probably a lot. You know, it depends on what my hospital bills are and how that's going to what it's going to cost in in damage to the future. That's the big problem. It's crazy that they have to find someone to fight him. Yeah, I mean, it's not crazy. Have you seen the guy? He's huge. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, how are they going to find someone? You can't find like the genetics don't exist. find someone you can't find like the genetics don't exist yeah it's not i don't think right and it and it's yeah it would be very dangerous um so off social media um when you work out do

you have your phone near you uh pretty yeah i mean in the barn wherever we're at but not on me on me do you check your text like if you're if you're in there how long is a session like one or two hours how long was your session this morning? This morning was that 45 minutes, an hour probably total was set up. We didn't warm up. Just went kind of straight into it. It really depends on time of the year. Um, how long my regular sessions are, um, this time a year, maybe an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon. And will you check your phone during that time? Depends on, you know, if it's an interval or something like that, I might.

That's my problem with a lot of missed texts usually is that I either see it in the middle of a workout and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll get back to it. And I completely forget. That's usually what happens. Yeah, that happens a lot. And do sometimes like your dad or your mom will text you and you'll purposely not open it because you know you need to give it your full attention and then like six hours later you're like oh shit mainly my wife oh yeah do they does your wife understand that yeah that's with my wife too if my wife sends me a text i purposely like if i've

got my hands full i purposely won't open it and then forget and then i have to then i explain that to her like hey your text needs my undivided attention it can't just be like oh hillary knows if she needs me needs me she calls more than once then i'm like okay i'll stop whatever i'm doing to answer and then most of the time uh i answer out of breath and she'll if it's important she'll say i need you to stop or she'll just say call me back when you're done. So just power call you? Yeah. Yeah, basically just wants to assert her dominance over my life. You've had the same phone number as long as I've known you. Is it getting crazy?

Have you ever been tempted to change your phone number? Like, Jesus Christ, I'm giving this out to too many people. Only the last probably six months, to be honest. It's been some random, like, people found my phone number on the internet. I don't know how, but for the most part, it's been some random like people found my uh phone number on the internet i don't know how but for the most part it's been pretty i guess safe so yeah man you're you're you really are aging you don't want to get punched in the face no you're off of social media yeah and you're considering switching you know not considering but you've had the thought like hey maybe this phone number's run its course yeah maybe I've had it since I got a phone when I was what, 14 or 15, 16, I guess when I started driving. So that's the only phone number you've ever had your entire life.

Only phone number I've ever had. And how many text messages do you think you get a day? Too many. Uh, 500 right now, my phone, when I came back on this, I had 21 text messages. And it was clear when we – and it was at zero when we started the – Yeah, I have a weird phobia of having red numbers on my phone. Of having what numbers? Red numbers. You know, like the number on the top. Like the color red?

Like, you know, where it says you have three emails or you have three text messages or three missed calls or voicemails. I have a phobia of that. Wow. Not a phobia, but it just stresses me out. Yeah, I know someone like that too, that no matter what, they open every single email. Do you open every single email you get? I'll archive it, but it still gets off. The number goes away.

Wow, that's amazing. You know who else is like that? Who? Dave is like that. Is he? Yeah. I can't do it. When I see people that have thousands of emails, it really gives me anxiety. Wow. That's awesome. And do you do email still? Yeah. I've got three emails, I think.

And you go on email every day? Yeah. That's kind of my toilet check usually is check my emails first thing in the morning. Wow. I would have thought that that would have been like one of the first things that you just – fuck that. I'm not doing anything. Sourced. Yeah. No, I mean I still like to talk to people.

I'm not a complete hermit. I mean I'm – I like my people. Would you consider yourself a relationship expert? No. No? Don't you have to be? Is anybody a relationship expert really though? Have you learned things about having relationships that are vital over the years? For sure. I've screwed up more relationships than

I've had good relationships. I would go with that. I'm not great with confrontation and usually I just kind of ignore it versus actually going at it. And so over the last couple of years, communication is something that I am trying to work on, have not mastered, but something I definitely need to work on and is vital to relationships. Any key lessons from there that you'd like to share? I mean, obviously one elephant in the room is me and Matt. The whole thing that happened a couple months ago really could have just came down to better communication between the two of us. And so basically just get ahead, just get ahead of things.

Yep. Get ahead of things, not let things snowball, uh, and really turn into something that it's not, you know? Uh, right. Right. And, and, and that, and you, and, you know, like, um, I guess that's, I guess that's everyone you start spinning. Like, so if I think Rich is mad at me, then I start spinning a narrative and that narrative doesn't help but just pushing us further and further and further apart now i have this whole before i want to talk to you again this morning i have this whole story that i have to like move to the side right so that i can connect with you again it's like jesus yeah yeah but you know there's just, you know, communication.

Are people allowed to spit on the floor in your gym during the workout? I wouldn't really wouldn't appreciate people not like purposely spitting on the floor. You know, if you get a little slobber or whatever, a little, a little sinus, whatever, you know, just clean it up when you're done. But I don't I don't think anybody should spit on anybody's floor really. Right. In the gym. And if you have to spit, you just spit out the window. You just go to the barn door and spit out. There's doors within probably 25 foot, uh, wherever you're at in the barn. So. So if you saw someone doing that, getting back to the communication piece,

would you say, Hey dude, don't do that. I would just say, Hey, go clean that up. And I think they would understand that. Hey, dude don't do that i would just say hey go clean that up and i think they would understand that hey i shouldn't do that next time oh there's the problem rich there's the problem i guess they understood assume makes an ass out of you and me right yeah maybe you should just try saying hey asshole hey don't spit on my floor please what's wrong with you why would you spit in here yeah i would see people come to hq back in the day and i would see them working out, and I would see them spit on the floor, and it would really, really trip me out, especially since there were doors everywhere. It's pretty disrespectful. It's almost like it's your home. What it is for me, it is my home, but I don't know. Somebody else has got to clean that up. If you're not going to clean it up. If you're going to clean it up, that's a little bit different. Even if I saw you spit in your gym, I wouldn't spit in your gym.

Even if I just saw you do it. Yeah, I don't spit in my gym. I spit outside. But like I said, here there's the center of the – the barn is 50 foot wide. So you can get to a door within 25 feet at any point. Why do you wear a mouthpiece? I mean, and do any other athletes wear a mouthpiece and how did you get into that? I, it's been probably a year, year and a half ago, I went to the dentist and the dentist said I was starting to wear some holes in my teeth. Um, and so they wanted me to start wearing some type of mouth

guard, uh, when I trained, but they gave me some really, uh, big mouth guard that I couldn't, couldn't really do anything with. And so, um, there's some company reached out airwave and they sent us some, some mouth guards and I actually really liked it. It's kind of a bottom fit mouth guard and it's supposed to help with, you know, cortisol levels and breathing and all that type of stuff. And, um, I like it. It gives me something to think about other than how much I hurt. It gives me, you know, a lot of people talk about how much I actually just play with it, you know, in a workout, but yeah, it's supposed to be in your mouth, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in between sets, you know, it comes out and does, you know, whatever, but, um, I, I enjoy it. Like

I said, it actually, it, it, I feel like it helps. And like I said, it does take myself, my mind off of, um, the pain a lot of the time as well too. So, um, it's not for everybody, but like I said, I like it. I like, it's pretty easy to, to use and it's, it's a bottom fit. And so it's, uh, it's pretty secure. Do you wear it at night when you sleep? Do you grind your teeth at night? No, but I have a retainer from where I had braces that I wear probably, I'd say, 90% of the time. Wow. Yeah.

I went through at 30 like an idiot. I went through and got braces, so I was like, I don't want to have to do this ever again, or I'm not going to do this again. So I might as well try to keep them as straight as possible. I'm impressed. Is it hailing where you live? Hailing? No, it's my kids beating on my door. That's really, and how old is that truck? This is, I think, an 18.

And you're okay with your kids beating on the door? It's a farm truck, you know? That's awesome. Which kid is it? It's both, Trice and violet now he's uh they're just being animals is what they do you know they're in their natural habitat what is um lakeland shared with you that lets her know lets you know that she knows what you're doing what you're up to with your life like what could like what kind of clues has she given you like oh shit she's starting to figure this shit out. Yeah. It's been pretty

cool over the last couple of years. Um, last, I guess a couple of months since she started public school last year, we homeschooled her. Uh, she said she wanted to go to actual school. So we said, all right, let's give it a shot. If that's what you want to do, let's do it. And she loves it. Uh, but it was pretty cool. She, after the games, she took my name placard, uh, to school for show and tell they had to bring five things that, uh, tells who you are. And she, that was what she wanted to do is, uh, to take that. And so, um, I mean, you know, like I've never once told the kids, Hey, let's do a workout or, um, let's go work out, but they're down here now. And if they see us do something, they, you know, they've got their little barbells that they'll start doing workouts, do burpees,

do pushups, Lakeland, um, now like tries to make up her own workouts. She's like, dad, I'm going to like, after the games is pretty cool. She I'm out here. It was Monday after the games. And I just, I have to move. Um, I'm a psycho when it comes to that, not necessarily after the games. so the game's finished on Sunday and Monday you came home and trained yeah not trained I worked out uh there's you know there's a difference in training and working out uh but I you know I was doing my thing on the rower and just doing some dumbbell bench like I said I just had to move I have to move every day I just feel better that way well Lakeland's down here and she's kind of made up her own workout

where she's running on the assault runner and then then she'd pick up the barbell, do some snatches. She'd climb up the rope. She'd, you know, jump on the box, whatever she's doing. And she, you know, when she'd finished, she was kind of like announcing the whole deal. And, you know, uh, she was acting like she was Haley, which was, was really cool. And I shared that with Haley. She was pretty down, you know, about where she'd finished and what she did incredible. Um, but I was like, you're still my kid's hero. You know, like she, you know, loves that. And I think it's cool that my daughter gets daughters, both of them get to see that, you know, it's okay to do some hard work. They see these girls in here working their butts off and, uh, training hard. And, uh, it's really, really cool. You know, I, I never

once thought about, you know, what they see from me. But, you know, they like I said, hard work, you know, lead by example type deal versus, you know, tell them a bunch of stuff that, you know, either it's going to go in one year and out the other. But one year, one when they get older, they might appreciate it. Who is that buff guy just saw walking in the background? That was Luke Parker. Luke P. from The Bachelor. ABC's The Bachelor. Or Bachelorette. I don't know which one he was on.

One of those two. He was in the barn. Was he the only? I think if you're the only guy, you're The Bachelor. Okay, so he was in The Bachelorette because he was not the only guy. So there was a bunch of guys he's competing against. Yep. Do you watch that show?

My wife watches that show. She's got a group of ladies that all get together and watch it and love it. I can't do it. Do you have a TV in your bedroom? Yeah, we do. All five of us sleep in the same bedroom so uh and seven if you count the dogs wait it starts like that you guys sleep together and it starts like that uh yeah we so we have a mattress so oh this is great this makes me feel better about um the

tornado that happened probably two years it's been almost a year and a half now. It was pretty devastating to the area. And Hillary got, she got panicked by it. And honestly, it shook me up a little bit. Like I just, you know, I was a firefighter for years and I'd seen some things, but nothing prepares you for that. So when, when that happened, all the kids' bedrooms are upstairs. And so now everybody's all back in our room and so we have a mattress in the floor for the kids but if i'm being honest i sleep in that uh yes by myself you know and it's great honestly it works you know like the girls are in the bed trice has his own bed in our room and i sleep on a queen mattress in the floor you gotta hear this so we all the kids start in their bedrooms right and actually they have their own bedrooms but they don't they don't sleep in their own bedrooms they all sleep in one giant king-sized bed in the twins

room together so we put them to bed and then we and then usually like i'll stay up in front of my computer by till like midnight you know and i'll see at least one or two go marching by into my bedroom you know and uh then usually but and then so then, so one day, I don't know, a couple of years ago I just said, fuck this. And I just went online and ordered a mattress and a mattress showed up and I just threw it on the floor in our bedroom. And some nights I'll go to bed and the kids won't have come to our room yet. And Haley's like, we'll be like, yo, what's up? And I'm like, Oh,

cause I'll just go straight to my mattress i'll be like oh sorry and then i like climb out of but i set my mattress up perfect because i know i'm going back to it yeah yeah yeah so then i know it's like i i sleep better by myself and so uh it is what it is and i sleep great and uh you know like hillary loves to cuddle and the girls love to cuddle. And I just I'm like, you know what? It works for us. So, yeah, that's awesome. Put everybody in their room thing like everybody just starts and stays in our room. You know, we'll usually watch a little TV, watch some Disney Plus and then usually lights out about 845, 9 o'clock and everybody falls asleep. God, that makes me feel so much better.

I don't know if I would have ever admitted that story if you hadn't. I always, you know, thank you for being a leader. Anybody that asked me about parenting advice, I'm like, here's there's two things. Don't listen to anybody. Do it yourself. Yeah. And don't let your kids ever sleep in the room. And, you know, do what I it is. There's what it is.

Do what I say, not what I do. Do what I say, not as I do. That's what my dad always said. Did you sleep in your parents' bed? Did you sleep with your dad or your mom? I think, you know, like you are saying with your kids, we went to bed, and then every once in a while we'd end up. You know, I remember now sleeping in my own bed.

But that's like the earliest memories I have. I do remember maybe sleeping on the floor in their bedroom once or twice but i think um like i said i think most of the time i was in my own room um so the earliest memories like i said are in my bedroom yeah i loved my own space but then i loved getting up in the morning and then climbing into bed with them but i love my own space yeah yeah then I loved getting up in the morning and then climbing into bed with them. But I love my own space. Yeah. Yeah. I love my. The kids, like I said, it's they're not going to do it forever.

And that's what we always come back to is they'll they'll move on eventually. And so it'll be what it is. I don't know many people that sleep with their parents still. So I'd be kind of weird and creepy. How how many years have you been married, Rich? I've been married for 10 years. So I've been with Hillary for 12. And do you think that the most challenging times, and I'm not picking anything in specific, I'm just speaking from my own experience. Do you think the most challenging times are behind you?

And I, and I'm saying that with the presupposition that all relationships are challenging. Yeah. I w yeah, I would, I would go with that for sure. Um, for us, the hardest times were when the kids were, when each kid was under six months old, just because they're so, like I said, she's so involved and so good with them as a baby, um, that, you know, I've not felt like, um, I got pushed by the wayside, but we just didn't spend as much time together and didn't get as much time together. And so I would definitely say, you know, I, I am not opposed to having more kids. Uh, I would love to have more kids, but man, I am over the baby stage, you know, like I just, I don't think I can go back to that. So,

um, yeah, I would say so we We, you know, me and Hillary, um, we're, we understand each other really well now and, um, get along really well and, and kind of know, uh, what works for our relationship. So how long were you guys together before you had kids? Uh, we were together for, well, we were together probably six years before we had kids and then we were married for four so okay so it's almost like having a new relationship once you have kids right like i was with hayley for a long time before i had kids yeah you're like man this is great we get along great and then all of a sudden you got kids in the mix and you guys are like oh shit not we're two new people. Yeah.

And so that's why I asked that. Because 10 years in of being married and your oldest child being seven, now you're – if you don't have it figured out by now – and by figured out, I'm not saying that everything's hunky-dory. But like what you said, you know each other really well. You know what triggers her. She knows what triggers you. And you guys try to disrespect each like and work on each other or work on yourselves yeah it's awesome rich we are at uh an hour and four minutes you tell me boss i really appreciate your time i have two more pages of questions but i've um i'm really uh stoked that i got your time again yeah we can do it again need a man thank you my kids are melting down outside they're pretty pissed that i'm not I'm really stoked that I got your time. We can do it again. Yeah, we can do it again.

Need a man. Thank you. My kids are melting down outside. They're pretty pissed that I'm not allowing them in the truck right now. So, yeah, we can do this again. Okay. If people want to hear it again, I don't know. Oh, they will. Hey, Sevan, don't ever talk to that guy again.

He sucks. We get enough of him on his YouTube channel. Leave him alone. This is what all the comments are going to be, and I get it. They're going to say this. I just looked at one randomly. Sevan, why are you being so well-behaved with Rich? How do you not ask him how they do adult stuff when they share a bedroom?

See? So listen, I am not in denial that I am being very – this is this is a next time you can, you can ask whatever the gloves are off, you know, now that we're friends again, uh, from your, your opening spot. Yeah. And, and not that we were never friends, but I had a lot of, um, okay. Okay. But I had a lot of, yeah, it was a joke. Sorry, Mike. I needed to communicate that. Hey, I'm going to joke for a second. Don't take this the wrong way. Because I am an asshole. Like I Hillary tells me all the time. She's like, hey, our kids don't understand sarcasm. You can't talk like that. I'm like, well, they're going to have to learn sarcasm, you know? Yeah, it's we probably have very similar attitudes like that.

My kids, their favorite thing to say to me is are you joking I know like I'll just be like hey get out of here and do a thousand burpees and don't come back till you're done they're like like I see a tear coming down and they're like are you joking I'm like yeah you can't do a thousand burpees alright man

thank you very much Ryan will you take us off live so I can say something to Rich that I don't want anyone to hear? Bye, everybody. And let us know when we're gone.