The Sevan Podcast - #471 - Jeremy Kinnick

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

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Southern California. Oh, what city? In the city of Fontana. Fontana. Where? I mean, I know the name. where it's um it's like near ranch kookamonga ontario it's like a little bit north up the 15 a little bit more okay all right oh look at you look at you you're either huge or that's a tiny cup so how you doing man dude i was so happy to find your instagram account

it's got it's got it's got like almost uh i mean uh what is the instagram account i'm gonna i'm gonna change your name for the instagram account so So anyone can check it out. It's just my name at Jeremy Kinnick. Okay. No dots or anything like that. Okay. Okay. Uh, like that.

Yep. Just like that. So, uh, were you in the 2007 CrossFit games? No, I, I started CrossFit,

um, just before the games, but I didn't, we didn't go up. Okay. Were you in the 2008 games yeah i was in eight yep yeah all right and that's how our paths that's how we first came on each other's radar yeah 2008 2009 and then uh yeah and like just yeah over there and then and then i know that um uh i've been to your gym at least a couple times uh with greg when greg spoke there there was some event there i know i've been there a couple times and then your brother started beyond the whiteboard yeah so my brother is was the

was the owner of the gym i managed it for him uh-huh because he was doing other stuff um but yeah they found it beyond the whiteboard and i managed the gym but uh-huh because he was doing other stuff um but yeah they found it beyond the whiteboard and and i managed the gym but he's he actually sold it so i'm not we're not doing that anymore oh what are you do you have a day job well i i actually my wife got hired as a firefighter and so congratulations yeah thank you yeah and so when that happened i started um like i left the gym because we she was staying at home and i was working and then we just kind of flip-flop because we want we wanted one of us home right the kids because we were homeschooling them so so i do that now i i stay home with the boys homeschool and do all their practices all their

just all the stuff and are you consulting uh yeah i'll do a little bit on the side um excuse me i was doing like nutrition coaching for a while i stopped that um now i'm doing some like supplements and stuff like that how how about how about home schooling consulting are you doing any of that do you pair um yeah so you know my instagram is revolves around that it's it's to help you know like it's so good it's so good i cannot tell you how good it is if people want to do public school i have no i don't have any problem with that that's their thing right that's i'm not i'm not gonna tell people what to do but if people want to do homeschool if they are like they heard all the lies, all the myths, all this crap about it.

I want to help them like realize what it actually is. Right. So I'm not trying to convert people to do homeschool. I'm just trying to help people that are interested or that are kind of leaning like, hey, maybe this public school thing is a little bit crazy. I want to help those people. Right. public school thing is a little bit crazy. I want to help those people. Right. There, there are you, if you have kids or if you're thinking about having kids or if you just want to get a different perspective on what's going on with society, you should really check out this Instagram account. Jeremy is much more,

um, even keeled than myself. It's a very safe Instagram account to go to. He's very thoughtful. There's a lot of resources there. And basically, he's laying out some stuff. One of the things, he just points out some things that I realized not necessarily about homeschool but

about life slowly so so one of the things is we had our babies at home and when we and we we really wanted to have the babies in the hospital we felt like it was the safest it was the best way to go we wanted to have you know a trained medical professionals there it's the birth then we ended up we ended up going doing a birthing class and the birthing teacher pulled us aside and said, Hey, after listening to you and your wife talk, you guys want to do a home birth? I'm like, no, we don't. She goes, yeah, you're saying some things that I, that you're going to, I think she's like, I'm not telling you what you have to do. I'm not, I don't care what you do, but I'm listening to you speak and you're, you definitely want a home birth. So we looked into

it and, um, and you say the same thing about homeschooling that I realized after we had the babies at home, homeschooling is, is not the experiment. Public school is the experiment. Yeah. After you have a baby at home, you realize that the brave people aren't the ones that have the baby at home. The brave ones are the ones that have, um, have it at the hospital. Cause when you have a baby at home, the baby's just born and it sits in bed with mom and you're done yeah there's no one pricking it there's no blood test there's no one fucking with your baby you don't got to get into a car

you don't got to introduce your baby to plastic or off gas you don't do nothing yeah yeah the mama just sits you know what i mean it's just like yeah and you're like oh my goodness i cannot imagine a doctor touching my baby right now. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's just natural. Yeah, yeah. And there's no experiment. It's not trippy. I mean, it's just the woman just plops it out on your living room floor and then she does whatever she wants. Starts feeding the baby off the boobies.

And it is illegal to have twins at home in the state of california oh i didn't realize that twins huh yeah my my what what is it my my body my rights but but not if you're not if you're a woman and you want to give birth only if you do what we what we say yeah and and another thing is if you go over two weeks you're not allowed to uh past your uh gestation oh really you're not allowed to give birth at home too now there's a lot of rules a lot of rules around that that baby stuff a lot of rules yeah that's weird i grew up thinking as a kid that homeschooling was for all the weirdos like um you had to be like mormon or scientologist or jehovah witness or uh um a crossfitter you had to have like yeah some sort of fucking cult uh you you had to be amish you had to be uh i don't know some fancy

christian thing where uh religion it'd be like a shut-in right like you didn't you were afraid of the world so you like hide in your house like that was my idea of homeschool my actually i had you you started there too that's what you thought is yeah for sure well i whacked out parents and whacked out yeah well i was like those kids are weird i knew some homeschool kids i i my cousins were homeschooled and i love my cousins they're awesome but they're very like to themselves like they're not going out it was like you can't uh you can't play the video game because there's magic in there that's evil you know like stuff like that where it's like kind of extreme and so that's my my idea was like oh that's weird like but as i got older we met some families and

we met some really cool kids and they're like oh yeah they're homeschooled and i was like what and so some people from our church they were telling telling us like, oh, yeah, we've always homeschooled. And I I really respected these two people and and their kids were awesome. They weren't like weird. They were just normal kids. And. So that kind of piqued my interest. And I always had, dude, I was I hated school, like I've always liked learning, but I hated school. You didn't like going there and the friends and like getting in trouble and like riding your bike there and there were parts of it yeah there were parts of it that i liked like you have a lot of memories from that and but like

like sitting like spending that many hours sitting there and and being subjected to like there's some awesome teachers i had some great teachers. I had some great teachers, but I had some terrible teachers. I had a teacher in one grade. I didn't, I just didn't even go to school. I just told my mom I was sick every day. So I was sick. And I'm like, mom, you didn't realize that there was a problem. She's like, no, I just thought you were sick. I was like, all right. But what grade was that? I think that was like, we'll say it's like fourth grade. Yeah. Yeah. Fourth grade. I started doing stuff early where I would tell my mom I was going to walk to school around that age and I'd go in the backyard and then my mom would leave to go to work. And then I just come back in the house. Chill out. Yeah. Yeah. Just as a little kid. Yeah. How old was that? Around that age?

Yeah. Third, fourth, fifth grade. grade yeah my parents were workaholics okay they could buy peanut butter and jelly and feed me yeah yeah that's awesome and what i never liked that did the teacher hit or something what was the problem no she didn't hit she was just a jerk yeah like she just would yell at yell at kids or demean them or you know make a point like embarrass you in front of class and it's like you know and i remember dude i remember being in like i forget what grade it was second or third grade and i had to go to the bathroom and the teacher wouldn't let me go and i peed my pants yeah like that's so stupid dude that's so stupid yeah like all that kind of stuff and like

like i don't i don't think that it's so unnecessary. Right. And like I said, I don't have a problem. Like when I talk about homeschool with people, like, you know, we had a crossfit gym forever and there were tons of teachers and they all knew that I homeschooled, but I made it very clear to them. Like, I don't have a problem with teachers. Right. You're having to teach, you're teaching 30 kids. Right. Like that's, that's hard. Right right that's a hard hard thing to do like i have two boys and they drive me nuts sometimes right like you know how it is like like it's hard i don't have a problem with them i but what i have a problem with is the

way the system's set up it's not set up for us guys for boys to thrive like it it's, it's, it's set up for us to like, become a robot, you know, like do what we say, like, listen, follow these rules, go get a nine to five job. You need to go get that nine to five job because then you have security and then you need to get the insurance and then you need to get, you know, it's all this stuff that, that you, you need to have that security. Right. And so we're, we're conditioned to say, okay, well, that's your habits are ingrained yeah exactly so that's that's my issue you know one of them did anything happen um that so so for me um the for me when the uh so-called pandemic hit and they started demanding that kids wear masks, I knew then that my kids would never go to school. I knew that my kids would never, ever, ever, ever, ever be asked by me to cover their nose and their mouth.

And I asked Nikki Rodriguez, the phenom jujitsu guy out of the B team out of Austin, I said, hey, do you ever wear a mask? And he goes, I cover people's noses and mouths to kill them. Right? I'm like, check. Got it. Yeah. Got it.

And I just knew at that point I would never do that. And you're a little more, uh, um, I think, uh, and I do judge, I do unfortunate. I don't know if it's unfortunate. I do judge people who do cover their kids mouth and nose. And I do judge actually. And I, and I made this mistake and my wife judged me and unfucked me. I judge actually parents who wear masks in front of their kids too. Um, my wife is one of the nicest people ever, no pushback, but she refuses to wear a mask in front of the kids because she doesn't want to send them the message

that there's anything wrong when there's not. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. And so that's what did it for me. We're like, oh shit, our kids can't go to school. And that's when the homeschool door opened. Okay. Was there anything that happened for you? Like you're like're like oh they're

teaching my kids this or my kids i don't know like no there wasn't one specific thing no because we they've they've never gone to public school our boys okay so mine didn't either by the way they were but you were just young enough right they were young yeah it was just young enough it was just coincidental circumstantial yeah yeah yeah we yeah there was no there was no like one thing that happened that was like oh i've never owned ever doing that to my kids um but i just didn't want them i didn't want i couldn't imagine my boys they're so rambunctious they're so you know i feel like your kids are the same way like they're just full of energy full of life yeah and then you're telling them to go sit down for six hours or however long it is

right I just couldn't imagine that and so we just never even my wife was like well let's do it you know we kind of talked about it for a while um before we had kids and then as we had kids and then when they were really young and then we like I said we had some friends and so we had that support and and like homeschooling now is completely different than like when we were growing up. The resources, it's like a lot more acceptable. There's more people doing it. So there's like groups like we're involved, like we belong to a co-op group through a local church. And so we go and meet once a week and they do like enrichment classes.

They'll do science. They'll do art. They'll do some Bible. They'll do some PE and they'll just do like enrichment classes. They do science. They'll do art. They'll do some Bible. They'll do some PE. And they'll just do things like that. And they're hanging out with friends. But it's like just for a couple hours, like once a week. It's like that's cool.

I don't have a problem with my kids sitting down listening to somebody. It's the repetitive like for no reason, right? Like you don't need to do that you can still learn without sitting down for six hours a day right and and this whole thing of appealing to the lowest common denominator i don't i don't have talented kids but i do have really hard-working kids yeah and they look pretty talented to me. Well, just, it's just through hard, just through hard work, right? Yeah. And I don't want them, I don't want them subjected to the, to the lowest common denominator. If that, if that's what's happening, especially, I mean, I know, you know, what's happening in California, they're doing the thing where

they say it's not fair to make kids turn in homework. They're now in some places, they're now grading kids based on the color of their skin. So they basically hold a piece of paper up next to you. And one side it's white, one side it's black. And it's just, I didn't, I didn't hear about that. Dude. Nuts. Nuts. Hey. And you know, what's worse than doing that is my kids finding out that that's happening. Did you know what I mean? I don't want my kids to know no yeah that's happening yeah that's not okay like that idea shouldn't even be put in their head like that that's a thing like that's horrible that really is there's this line and i have a bunch of slides from instagram that i want to share with people some just fun ones um homeschool is not public school at home when i read that last night

i was like i felt this huge sigh of relief yeah yeah you know my kids are five and seven and and everything's great but even that kind of let me off the hook like yeah it's not i'm not trying to do public school can you can you tell me about that how you came to that and what that means well i mean basically it's just like and i and it's something that i thought was necessary to say because people were trying to people were asking me man or telling me like it's so hard like my kids are spending all day on zooms right this is something that i realized like as the pandemic was going on right because everyone just they all the school sent the kids home and they just put them on Zoom all day.

So they're sitting in front of a computer like this. When I heard that, by the way, because my kids do a lot of activities with school kids, tons. And I'm hearing the parents say that. And I'm just like, my kids don't even know what Zoom is. My kids have never even sat in front of a computer.

Right? It's crazy. They're five. Dude, why would they right i have my next door neighbor is a kindergarten teacher teacher and i'm talking to her and i i was at that time i was training people out of my garage just doing some crossfit stuff doing some you know and anyway and so she's at home and she's like man i have to do zooms with kindergartners. I just start laughing at her. I'm like, what does that even look like?

And she's like, it's a lot of games. I'm like, so you're just babysitting them. She's like, yeah. So anyways, so I realized that people were getting a bad taste. They weren't getting a good experience of what homeschool was like they were just doing public school at home right they were taking exactly what they do at school and coming home and mimicking that and that's and homeschool is not that homeschool like is very like we don't spend a lot of time at all on schoolwork we we learn through doing things

right and we'll do some work here we'll do some work there but then we'll go to the field and we'll hit my boys like baseball or we'll go to the go to the park and they'll ride their scooters at the skate park or we'll go to the grocery store and get groceries or we'll clean the house or we'll play on the trampoline right like our day is made up more of those kind of activities right and so they do that before covid they were going to a stem class so like once a week they would go and when they would learn about you know engineering they would learn about some coding they would build and tell me what stem is so stem is um it's an acronym right it's an acronym it's uh science technology technology engineering and math yeah there we go okay okay right so it's kind of like that that kind of

stuff it's super cool and there's a place near us actually rancho and claremont but it's called stem center usa and these there's two sisters that started they're amazing they're there i believe they were on don't quote're amazing. I believe they were on, don't quote me on this. I believe they were on Shark Tank. They were on something. Anyways, it's super cool. But they go once a week to that and they build and they have these teachers. But once they had to start wearing masks, I just told them, I said, hey, we love you guys. It's awesome. But I'm not going to, boys can't do it. Like, they're just not gonna be, they're just not gonna do that. So we, yeah, we, we just, so we just stopped. And unfortunately, like they loved it. And my

older son did robotics, like tournaments where he'd like build little robots and they like battle and, and he had to stop. So, because I wasn't going to have them do that. So, but we like, that's what our day looks like, right? So, so our homeschool, it doesn't look like anything like what we're doing at public school. And so that was where that, that, that quote or that idea came from. It's like, you guys, cause people kept asking me about, you know, Hey, is this, I guess this is easy for you guys, right? You guys, you guys are already at home, but no, for us, it cut off a lot of stuff, right? We had to be, we actually had to be at home more because we couldn't do the activities that we were normally doing. There were a lot, there's a lot more pushback with that, you know, with what you kind of lost me there.

Well, there was like, like with the STEM class, right? We we couldn't i didn't want to go because of the masks right right and certain certain things got shut down um you know and they've yellow tape around the parks exactly i'm like come on you know so and actually for us like there were now there were more people doing like at parks and you know the ones that weren't shut down. And so it was harder for us to go do the normal things that we were doing. So a lot of people were like, Oh, I guess you guys weren't impacted at all. And it's like, we were, we absolutely, absolutely were. Cause we're not, you know,

like sitting at home all day is not what we do for homeschool. Right. You know, I'm sure with your kids too, and I see it on Instagram. Obviously, my kids do a lot of moving and they do a lot of counting. So from a young age, it was like, okay, you're going to push that 50-pound D-ball back and forth across the garage 10 times, right? And then one day, I don't know how young they are, but it's the same with all three of them. They go, I have three left. And then I know that they're doing math, right? Yeah.

I told them they had to do 10 and they've done seven and now they're doing math. And I'm like, oh shit. The two or three year old knows addition and subtraction. I didn't have to teach them shit. They're like, yeah, they didn't have to sit down and scribble and, you know, yeah, they're calculating. That's really cool. Yeah. And you see that stuff everywhere.

And one of the other components, pieces that I did is my kids do – and I know maybe not everyone can afford this, but I know that there's avenues to get it for everyone. My kids, I always wanted them to have adult interaction. And you talk about this on your instagram yeah also yeah and i didn't care what the sports were but i wanted them to have professional teachers so i was i know i knew nothing about tennis i thought tennis was stupid but i found an amazing tennis coach and now they've been doing tennis three years and i just want them to be able to interact with really with adults who really care about their craft and then i found a jiu-jitsu instructor who thought the same thing i found a professional skateboarder who like has like pride and all these guys have a little bit of pride and arrogance in their crafts yeah yeah and my kids

from dealing with these guys all three days a week these guys and gals they have uh this ability to interact with adults that's uh so unique i feel like yeah absolutely compared to other kids in those settings i also see them with other kids and um there's there's two things i noticed i'll i'll start with the first one i walked up to the tennis coach the other day and i go why why do you think my kids my three boys have so much more um focus and are different than these other kids and I didn't even ask him if he thought that I just projected that onto him I made that presupposition yeah and he goes because your kids don't go to school and I go what do you mean by that he goes all these kids spend from eight in the morning to three o'clock in the afternoon in dick measuring contests with other kids yeah and i was like

holy shit and we just had some friends over this weekend and anytime their kids did something that beat my kids like any game like wrestling or basketball they would run and tell their parents i beat so and so i've never heard my kids do that they'll occasionally say something like hey i choked that guy out or did you see that ollie i did yeah yeah they're so not about beating down other kids it's not about how they beat them it's like look at this cool thing i did right like i accomplished this thing isn't that cool dad you know yes and the tennis instructor's like hey dude all these kids are in pressure cookers they're with fucking 30 to 300 kids all day just fucking in a pressure cooker in a dick measuring contest he's like your

kid he's like you have a seven your seven-year-old just wants to get better at tennis yeah well you know what's interesting i don't know sorry i don't mean no no go ahead yeah yeah no that's it well what's what's interesting about about them being with that group right they like public school kids like it's very clicky like you only hang out with kids that are your grade second graders second hanging out with you don't go up like high school you don't hang out with freshmen if you're seen right there's no like there's these huge age barriers right like you're stuck with these kids whereas like homeschool kids, like they, there's like, you just play with whoever's there. Yeah.

And your son's deadlifting 280 at 13. Jeremy's son. What's it, Carl? Carson. Carson. Sorry. And so when, when you're deadlifting 280 at 13, you don't train with other 13 year olds. Probably you're training with 17 year olds, 40 year old men, 38 year old women.

You're training with, yeah, that's, that's interesting. You said the same with my kids, my five year olds, the youngest person in their tennis class is like eight because they've been playing tennis since they're three. Not that they're great at it. They just have put in the, they just put in the work. Yeah. They just put in the work. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. So like my 13 year old, like when it's like hey let's go play let's go hang out somewhere like he'll be hanging out with seven year olds you know or my 10 year

old be hanging out with 15 year olds they're just all just hanging out playing and just having a good time they're they've never been told that they they can only hang out with their age group and that it's only eight marks the same way jiu-jitsu is the same way for sure yeah you see that a lot so for me that's like a huge like i love that i love seeing that you know and like you were saying like i love i love seeing like those professional coaches like your kids are learning from and and their their role models are these guys that are like way up here right like they're the best of the best they have this good mentality this good mindset and they're they're being molded

and shaped by those types of guys like that's what i want too i want my boys to be challenged and i want them to have these role models that aren't people that are pissed off going to the nine to five you know i don't want them to like that like sucks the life out of you i feel like you know what i mean yeah you remind me of another thing too so the other day a young girl was getting her gray belt in jujitsu and they chose my son to do her test with her and even though he's fucking way better than her he he has the social grace to let her perform all the moves on him. The instructor doesn't even have to say it. And then they're supposed to do a three-minute spar, and they tell my son, hey, just go as hard as you can.

This doesn't matter. But he still won't because he knows it's her. He has the social grace. That's really cool. It's her gray belt. Yeah, and I see that the other kids don't have that. It's her gray belt. Yeah, and I see that the other kids don't have that.

Like you can put my son with someone who's brand new to the class in a white belt and who's 37 pounds even though he's 50, and he'll never smash them. Never, ever, ever. Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. And the other kids aren't like that. Some of them are. I shouldn't say – I'm not saying all of them. Yeah. A lot of the kids, it's just about fucking it.

Well, I guess what they're taught in school, it's only about winning. Yeah. I heard this guy say the other day, Jeremy, that please and thank yous are non-negotiables. And I had a friend come over to my house and he was visiting from out of town and I knew he was bringing his son. So when his son came, I had ordered this really cool spinner form it was all made of you know what spinners are those things kids play with and they spin yeah and it was this really cool steel one it was kind of expensive and it had all these gears and it was super intricate when you spun it all sorts of stuff was activated and i gave it to him and he wouldn't say thank you and his dad

still let him have it um which I disapprove of. But those are also the kind of things that can happen in school. For me, it's non-negotiable either. If you came to my house and gave my kid something and he didn't say please or thank you or make eye contact with you, he'd have to give it back to you. And then when he was ready to make eye contact and say please or thank you, then he could get it. Yeah. Those are the things you get away with in school too, right? Yeah, because they kind of fall through the cracks, you know?

Yeah. Teachers aren't enforcing that shit. They can't enforce that with 30 kids in seven classes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot of those little things that just kind of fall through the cracks. Cause you're just, you're all you're, you can't control 30 kids. It's not going to happen. Right. And, and may by the time they're like in high school then they're all sitting perfectly and they they've learned they've learned how to do school right you sit there you obey the teacher you never question like my boys question authority all the time they're just because an adult said it just because their coach said it just because so-and-so said it, that's older than them.

That doesn't matter if that if it's not right. Can you give me an example of that, like what that looks like? Gosh. If you think of one, tell me. I'm so I'm so curious. Yeah. I mean, they just because someone tells them something to do. If like, let's say, for example, a coach wants them to do this. I don't know um like they may listen to them but then afterwards they go hey dad that like why are we doing that like like a drill like if it's like a drill or like or they're gonna do like a ton of running

like a like oh you guys messed up you're gonna do a bunch of like we're gonna punish you and you're gonna go run for the rest of practice. Right. Like they're questioning that they don't just go, okay, coach said, so I'm going to do it, go do it. Like they go and do it out of respect. But then, then they come to me and they say, dad, why are we like, why are we doing that? Like we should be practicing to get better, you know, like, and so they're, they're not, they're not just going to be this. Yes. Yes. Guy. Right. They're going to, they're going to go, Hey, what's, why are we doing that? Hey, or someone treats somebody poorly, right? A coach yells at a kid or the, or the dad coach yells at the son.

And it's like, man, that, that must suck dad. Like that, like, you know, why is, why is he doing that? And so I got to explain, well, you know, sometimes dads are, if their kids don't perform, it makes them look bad or they feel like it makes them look bad. and so they have to and then if they're frustrated so they yell at their kid and they're like oh that's kind of dumb you know like like they kind of are able to step back like and look at stuff instead of just going yes coach yes coach and then just go and do it or yes sir you're older than me you're the authority you're the boss i'm gonna obey you know do you think they develop that

question because they have a little more autonomy at home in terms of in terms of their schedule in terms of what they do i for sure do and there's a there's opportunities for me to interject through life right through moments of hey this kid was kind of picking like a like a kid my younger son said hey dad this kid slapped me in the face yesterday and so we're driving home and i'm like well why you know and so we start talking about it and i'm like hey you have some options like you could slap him back right you could ask him hey why'd you do that you could say hey you do that again i'll knock you out you could knock him out like i'm i'm like going through these are all the options you have to decide is this a a good friend? Do you want to fight him?

Or do you want to let them know you can't push me around? And so I'm talking them through like, but if, or did you deserve it? So I said, and I know, I know my, I know my son and I'm like, what were you doing? Well, I mean, I punched him in the stomach. Yeah. Right. That's what my boys do. He hit me. Why? Well, cause I kicked him in the back but he goes i i punched him in the stomach but it wasn't that hard and i said well why'd you punch him well he's picking on his little brother and i was like okay i'm like that's cool but you have to decide like

is this friend a guy that i want to fight and then not be friends with or is it hey you want to let him know you can't treat me like that? I said, you need to set the boundaries. And so the point of that is like, I get to have those conversations throughout the day with my boys, right? I get to do that. Whereas someone that's at school, you just don't get those that many opportunities, right? Somebody else, some other, their teacher, their principal, and great if they're great people, but what if they're not, right? They're the ones who are dictating how they live their life.

Not the parent, not me. And I want that. I want to decide like how my boys view life, right? That's, and so, you know, you just don't get that when your kids are gone all day and i understand like i'm in a unique situation right like not everyone's a stay-at-home dad right and maybe it's not possible for everyone but previous years we've made a lot of sacrifices to be homeschool parents right to be a homeschool family like my wife stayed home. We had one income from being a gym manager and it wasn't a lot of money. Like we had to just make sacrifices. And so like, I get that, but I, I wouldn't trade, I wouldn't trade the opportunity I have with my boys.

Like for me, it's so rad to be able to like hang out with my boys all day and just do life with them, you know, and teach them. Cause like, I i feel like that's like that's my job no matter what right like even if i was working a ton of hours and i wasn't home that's still my job but i i have much less impact on their life when i'm gone a lot uh it's funny i i'm 50 years old i've only had one one new car that i bought my whole life my minivan and i bought it for my kids and i don't and i don't go on vacations unless unless unless like i someone else pays for it i don't do i don't do any every single uh cent of money that i have i make sure allows me to live the lifestyle of spending time with my kids. That's it. I don't buy camera gear.

I don't buy new clothes. I don't, uh, everything is to push forward that agenda. Like you're saying of spending time with kids. I do hear that. Um, I do,

I do hear people say that a friend of mine, uh, he lives in Los Angeles. He works in Los Angeles. His wife works in Los Angeles. And I was talking to him the other day and his kids are getting ready to go to school. And I said, why don't you homeschool? And he says, we just don't, we don't have the ability to do that. Yeah. And I'm just torn. I don't know how to, I don't know how exactly to respond to that. Yeah. respond to that yeah i i don't know if that's a true statement that they don't have the ability or if they just don't want to make the sacrifice i don't even want to say sacrifices because i

never sacrifice for my kids i my life isn't compartmentalized like that yeah yeah i gotcha i'm never like you know have you ever have you ever made something to eat and you're so hungry and you're being so patient and you're not licking the knife and you got this tuna sandwich and you sit down and you stretch out and you turn on the tv and you're gonna watch some ufc and your kid runs over goes can i have that and you're like uh-huh and it's not you're not you're not happy about it but it's not a sacrifice because your heart is just filled and your son takes your sandwich and runs off to the backyard and eats it. You're like, okay, well, I'll just have a beer instead. All the time.

I was, I heard somebody say, you know, homeschooling is, is, uh, you just make food all day for your kids, right? You just sit at home and you just make them food for them all day. Like that's all it is. Non-stop. Well, cause they're just moving. They're running. Yeah. I was thinking, I was telling my wife said, man, babe, like when I was in high school, I was 175 pounds, like five, 10, right? Like I'm strapping young lad. I'm playing, you know, uh, soccer and baseball and football. I'm playing all year long. And my, this is what I eat. I eat an egg sandwich in the morning for breakfast. I go to school.

I have a bagel with cream cheese and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And then I don't eat again until like six 30 at night. We didn't even drink water. No, I'm like now all my kids got their own water bottle. Yeah. I'm like never remembered drinking water. No, I never drank. How could you drink water? There weren't like, you didn't have water bottles. The drinking fellas didn't work at our school.

Yeah. No, it was terrible. And I think to my wife, I'm like, man, these like, our kids have it so good. Like I just, that was, and that was a lot. Like some kids wouldn't even eat. You know, it's just, I'm like, that's so bad for like developing, right. Our brain, our body, we know that with, with, you know, with, with CrossFit and all we've learned with nutrition, like that's terrible for us. Yeah. You know, I think about,

I think about that all the time. I'm like, man, how did I, how did I survive on that? Like, would I have been a better athlete would i have been a better student you know would i like would i have been able to like grasp concepts better learn better if i was if you had better nutrition i was fueling myself yeah and my mom we cook food at home so i go home i have a great home-cooked meal but it's like that big long gap of not eating. And I was active, you know, it was like, we're moving. And even when you're in school, you're not like in between passing periods, lunch, you're just like messing around and you're just active, you know? And I think about how much food my boys eat and I'm like, man, that would have been super cool. Yeah. I'm looking at one of the comments here from cory cory says i've always

talked to my children like i talked to anyone else i get the comment of you can talk to them from their teachers baby talker treating them um less than normal is crazy the one exception i have to that is and i was talking to my guest last night about this. I feel like most of the – not I feel like. I see that most of the parents that I see out in the wild, they over-talk to their parents. They over-talk to their kids. You don't really need to talk to your kids that much. You really need to just, I think, leave them alone.

And I'll give you an example. My kid will – I'll be on my computer, and my kid will walk by and be like, hey, can you buy me a Batman Lego? And I just don't – like I just don't say anything to them. Like he's just – they don't deserve that response. Can I be – it's Christmas. Can I be a ballerina for Halloween? You don't get – you're just a twitching, you're just twitching. You don't get my, you don't get my attention for that. And then they just move on to the next thing and they're just twitching.

And I see this thing where kids aren't, parents aren't giving their, part of our practice is to be mindful of ourselves, to hear them, to acknowledge them, to create space for them, but not to dote on them. Yeah. Yeah. The example I also like to give is your kid is struggling with something. Your job isn't to rescue them. Your job is to make sure the safe, the place, the space is safe for them to struggle. Your kid falls down on the street, you run over and pick them up and carry them to the

sidewalk. Your kid falls down on the sidewalk. You don't do shit. You make sure someone's not riding behind a bike two totally different scenarios so sometimes they don't need um they need way less talking to than i think most parents uh i agree and there's this belief that you should be encouraging your kids you should not always be encouraging your kids you should be encouraging your kids just on the things you want them to do. So if your kid says, hey, I want to – if one of my sons were to say to me, hey, I want to buy a pink dress, I don't say anything to him. I don't say, oh, I love the fact that you're exploring colors and that you're exploring different types of outfits. I don't say that to him. I don't say no either. I don't give it any i don't give it any energy yeah zero i just give

it zero and he switches to the next thing and it's just something floating through his head he's just right i just reward them for the things that i want them to do right i and by reward i don't even have to say good job a kid only needs me to say i saw you like my kid was pumping in the skate ramp yes the other day and i'm like beautiful pumps yeah i or i love to see you out here working hard right i heard that one the other day in a book don't tell your kids they're good tell them you like to see them work hard because then the reward they'll want to impress you by working hard don't tell them great job or bad job just Just be like, wow, you know how to work. Yeah. Yeah. You're teaching them that that's, that's what you need to be doing. Not, it's not about being good. Right. It's like, oh, you're really smart. It's like, no, no, no. I love how

you're figuring out these math problems or, or I love how you're, you're using your, yeah, you're putting out the effort. That's what we want our kids to, to learn is important. Right. Yeah. I love that, dude. Um, like, so they get their backpacks for school and that's what we want our kids to to learn is important right yeah i love that dude um like so they get their backpacks for school and that's when you reward like our backpacks hang on the um like in the wall hall in the entryway and they wake up in the morning they grab their backpack and they sit at the kitchen counter and they do they do kuman do you know what that is oh yeah absolutely yeah my boys did that for a bit yeah they do that every morning they're come on and the reward is hey good job grabbing your backpack good job starting off do you have a time every day like a 10 or 15 minute window where this is the time at like any schedule like

that for anything no ours is pretty loose yeah ours is pretty loose always just everywhere yeah how about but but except for let's say there was, do they play organized baseball? Yeah. So they have like their practices and, and, uh, like I said, we go and we go once a week, right, right now we're not doing anything, but they go once a week to, um, to this co-op group and they, they learn, but like, besides those scheduled like appointments or practices or whatever, we, we just kind of fit it in. So if my boys, my boys get up kind of when they wake up, unless we have to go somewhere, like they'll sleep till whenever they wake up,

I'll let them sleep until eight or nine or 10, sometimes 11. It just depends on what we've done. If they're exhausted, they just get to sleep because we don't set, I don't set an alarm for them unless we're going somewhere, right? Obviously we have to be somewhere, but I want them to, I want their body to heal and recover and grow. I don't want to cut that short, right? So, so our, yeah. So sometimes we start at nine o'clock, sometimes we start at eight, sometimes it's, it's 1130, you know, and it does also depend on what we have going that day. Right. Like if we have a lot going on, like I'll get them up. I'll get them started a little bit earlier. You know, hey, we got to get this stuff in. Let's get working. Do you ever say to them, I like to do this a lot. You know, it's 730 at night and maybe they're having their 13th dinner. And I say to them, hey, just so you know, tomorrow morning, it's going to be hot tomorrow.

And so I want to leave early and go to the skate park like at nine so we can leave at 11. And I just give them a heads up. Yeah. Just let them know, hey, these are some of my thoughts for tomorrow. This is what we're doing tomorrow. Yeah. My older son loves that. Like he wants to know what's coming up. Like he wants to be ready.

My younger son's like, whatever, just like, let's go. Just, he'll just get ready. Like he just wears the same clothes all the time. And he's always ready.

He wakes up. I'm like, Hey, we got to go get ready. Five minutes later. He's like, all right. I'm like,

did you brush your teeth? Yep. All right, cool right cool let's go and my oldest son likes to know do they like hanging with you jeremy oh yeah yeah for sure we have a great time yeah we really do i um i uh do either of your kids have phones yet my 13 year old does when he turned 13 he got a phone yeah was that hard i've noticed that all the coolest kids i've known um the later you give them the phone like my kids just started playing tennis with this kid he's 15 he's like the best tennis player in the area in santa cruz county okay and uh he didn't get a phone until he turned 15 and he's such and then this other girl i was talking to the other day, she's like the new high rocks champion, that thing Hunter McIntyre does.

She didn't get a phone until like she was 17, you know, and she's homeschooled. Right. And I'm just like, man, these people are so fucking cool. These kids. And they're less sophisticated. Like my kids are so less sophisticated than their peer group. Like when they go places, the other kids are so sophisticated. My kids are like cavemen yeah but absolutely like i'm kind of like fuck it i love their i think people like them more yeah yeah my my boys are yeah so we got my 13 year old uh a phone he really so he's on baseball teams soccer teams and he wants to communicate with his buddies right yeah and i'm like oh okay we, it's very, very, very limited. He doesn't just, he doesn't get to just do whatever he wants with

his phone. It's like, what do you, you don't need your phone. Like it's, it stays downstairs when he, when he goes to bed, he like, he doesn't, he gets to have it to communicate with me or like his mom's gone a lot. Right. Like she works as a firefighter and so she's gone. And so he, it's really cool. He gets to text her, Hey mom, or ask her questions or he'll ask me stuff.

I'm like, I don't know. Text your mom. See what she thinks about this, you know? And so he's a, he gets to have these conversations with her. So like,

there's like, we're trying to allow him to have the phone for the positives, but not the negatives. Right. He doesn't get to just sit and, you know, social gatherings like there. We went to Chili's last night with his baseball team after a game. And all the parents are sitting at a table, all the kids are sitting at a table and half the kids are just head down on the phone. And the other another half are just kind of looking around. And I told him, I said, dude, i don't want you to be like that i want you to put your phone away and talk make some jokes have some fun you can do that people you can do that when you're at home

if you want it right like you don't need like you're in front of people interact with them and so that's like a big part of like giving them the phone was you have to be responsible to act properly. Right. If you want to have your phone, like these are the things that we need to be doing. Right. What about when I would come home from school in the fifth grade and I would go to the dictionary and say, we had the Encyclopedia Britannica. Oh, yeah.

And I'd pull down the dictionary and start looking at words like fuck and bitch and ass. And I would be like, bitch is in there. Fuck wasn't in there. Yeah, yeah. Now I'm in the eighth grade and I have a phone. And I could ask that phone some crazy shit. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, is not for any moral or ethical or any reasons like that. Do I care? I, I just know that once that stuff goes into your brain, it changes your brain right yeah absolutely um i i don't i don't want my uh eighth grade boy and maybe i'm just fucking naive as fuck

but i don't want my my boys to um see a video of blow jobs until they're like old yeah like yeah you know what i mean like over 18 i don't i because i think it will change their entire interaction um because i didn't we didn't have that shit i didn't have the internet yeah yeah and i didn't see anything like that i mean it was like playboy magazines right there was no like yeah sex and it was like and i was lucky if i had one page right you know what i mean and it's a girl in a bikini and one boobs out i tore it out of like my best friend's dad's playboy it was like mine it was my porn um yeah i just uh did you do you worry about that yeah you know that was maybe worry is not the right word but what's your worry? But it's yeah. So, I mean, we're trying, that's what I was saying. We try to limit his use of the phone,

what he is able to do on it. Uh, we set the parental controls and all that stuff. I mean, obviously we can try as much as we can, but, um, I try to, we, we try to set them up for fail for success, not for failure. Right. So we're trying to set parameters on like, these are some things, like without saying like exactly what to do, it's like, these are the things I want you to use. This is why you're having a phone, right? This is what your phone's for.

Your phone's for talking to your friends. Right. That's it. Your phone's not for anything else. You call them. It's for the web. Yeah, you don't need to do that i said if you want to watch youtube you want to watch youtube cool put it on the tv right right because

they have their youtubers that they love they love to watch you know all these like these certain guys right and i'm like that's fine i'll sit there and watch it with you and there's certain stuff will come up we'll be watching and the dude starts cussing and and i'm like who is this guy i don't know that i well why are we watching him uh i don't know let me let me find a different guy i'm like i don't you guys don't need to watch that stuff right you know and it's like but it's we're there together and we and we talk about it and sometimes dude will say we'll say something that i don't like and it's like okay that's fine and i want to and i want to see their reactions i want to know how they're like how they handle that stuff and they're I want to, and I want to see their reactions. I want to know how they're like, how they handle that stuff. And they're, they're not, they're not drawn to that. And it's

not like me sitting there, like shaking my finger and like, shame on you for doing that. It's more just like, we're just doing life together. And, and this happens and, and I can see they didn't like that. I'm like, let's not watch this guy. There's a a let's go watch Mr. Beast or let's go watch uh you know whoever it is let's go watch Dude Perfect again right you know and so like that's I want them to know like this is what the purpose of your phone is for right you're not you don't need to take it in the bathroom you don't need to um have it in your room you don't need to you know that's just not what we do yeah i like those i it makes me happy to hear that that's what i'm thinking too like hey you don't need it in your room you don't need your bathroom you don't need alone time with your phone no yeah there's no

reason you have video games cool go go play on the xbox right right right and so everyone in the house can see what you're doing everyone yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's no hiding. My boys never, they never go to the room. They just don't. Like they go, they're just in the house. They're in the loft. They're downstairs. They're usually wherever we are. They're like with us. My boys, Avi has his own room in the twin share room

and Avi never goes to his room yeah yeah if they go to if they go to a room they have a ton of books in their room so they like to go to the but they all and they have always all slept in the same bed their whole life like he's never slept in he's never slept in his bed once yeah yeah yeah it's fine it's fucking it's uh yeah we well the boys have two they have they have two rooms well so when we first when your kids are older how old are your kids again sorry 13 and 10 yeah i'm not even close i'm like yeah like not even halfway to where you're at well when we when we lived when we had that when we were at the gym for 10 years or whatever i lived across the street so i walked to the gym so i years or whatever, I lived across the street. So I walked

to the gym. So I get up, grab the coffee, walk across the street, open up the gym, train the classes, come home between classes. Hey kids, what's up? Do my thing. Right. We, they always, like we had a very, very tiny house, super tiny. And we, they, they've always just been together, right? Like they slept, like their bed, they had two different beds, but they were literally like almost touching, right? Like they were all, they've always been close. We move in. So my wife got hired as a firefighter. We were to save some money, bought this beautiful home. Um, and it has too many bedrooms, right? It's they, they don't, and my wife goes, Oh, we're going to buy them

their own furniture for their room. And they're going to do this. And I'm like, ah, they're not going to, they're not going to use it. I'm like, it's just not going to happen. No, we'll put them in their own rooms. They want to have their own rooms. Okay, fine. That didn't last. They they've been in the same bedroom with each other for like, they did that for maybe a couple months and then they just started sleeping and they're like hey can i put my bed in carson's room i'm like carson you cool with that yeah and they arranged it they just did it themselves they took it apart they took the bed frame apart they moved it over they rearranged a couple things and they just did it i was like yeah do whatever you want and so now they they so we have

this empty room that's my younger son's bedroom and then we have this other room that they're both in and they just start a parenting podcast yeah maybe is i i saw this video and uh one of my sons is well all three of them play piano and one of them is really starting to get into the guitar and I saw this I have to be like oh my god this must is is this like just like one of the greatest moments of your life oh man like that yeah dude so I introduced my so my my brothers we like growing up we always played my dad played guitar and so my dad would play guitar I played some John Denver for us and we'd sing with them and we'd just hang out like that was like good family time and so we've carried that my dad passed away um years ago and so we've kind of carried that along my brother

jonathan very good in the guitar and so my boys grew up seeing their their uncles and their dad kind of i'm not great on the guitar, but I'll play around. They're seeing this. My son has the desire. He's like, I want to learn those songs. We give him a ukulele at nine years old. He just starts rocking out. He picked up on it so fast.

Then he goes, Dad, I want to play guitar. I'm like, okay. He was like, I'm bored with the goes, Dad, I want to play guitar. I'm like, okay. He was like, I'm bored with the ukulele. I want to play guitar. I give him a guitar. Ten years old, he's just rocking out on the guitar. It's super cool seeing him doing this with my boys. I love it.

People, so here what you're seeing is a boy is being rewarded he's not being forced to play he's being rewarded because dad is spending time with him so there's nothing kids want to do but more than make their parents proud yeah and he feels how proud jeremy is here and so it's like this crazy synergy all you have to do is just re you want your kid to play musical instrument. Just give him attention every time he does. Absolutely. If my kid starts playing the piano, I don't care what I'm doing.

I can be on the phone with president United States, but got to go. And I go in there and I, and I, and I give him attention for it. Even if I don't want to. Yeah. Actually 99% of the time I don't want to, I'm always glad I ended up doing it, but I go in there and I just sit there. I lay down on the floor and listen to him play. He looks at me and I just give him attention.

Like, hey, you got my attention. Yeah, that's the best moment of his day right there. It really is. It's so awesome. When I saw that, I was like, man, that's great. Yeah, for sure. Well, I mean, it's, you know, everything that we do, right? Like, people highlight, oh, oh kids will do not won't do

what you say but they'll do what you do right and it's always like a negative thing right it's like they're gonna do the bad things that you do and it's like but that's unless you're doing good things for them right like unless you're teaching them good things unless you're like when my when he was in my wife's womb right when he was in her stomach like like i was playing guitar for him and singing and And when he came out, I was playing guitar and singing. And it doesn't matter how good I was at it. I was playing guitar and singing. And like, now he's like, that's cool. I want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so, so we just recently at 13 years old, he finally had his first guitar lessons and the teacher's like, wow, you're like really good. Like, what have you done?

Like, who, who'd you have lessons? And he goes, no, I never had lessons. I just listened to a song and then I just play it. Like, we don't give him the chords. Like now he's like learning chords, but he just would play the song. And I'm like, I'm like, and even for me, I'm like, how do you remember all those chords? Like, that's a long song. He goes, I don't know. Hey, and you couldn't teach someone that. No, you yeah absolutely yeah you can't uh this this when my when my sister um i always thought my sister was crazy and now i'm following directly in her footsteps it's kind of funny uh when my sister told me she was going to homeschool her three sons, my three nephews, beautiful, fucking crazy, cool boys. I was like, what is

she doing? She doesn't have a teaching degree. She doesn't have the space. She doesn't have the money. Where's she going to get the curriculum from? My parents don't like it. And I see this slide you put up, five things you don't need to homeschool. And that was my thing. All always too. I'm not smart enough to home to teach my kids. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you have that? And how did you get past that? How did you realize that's not what's happening here? Well, my wife homeschooled our kids first, right? When I was, when I was, so she started off, but we never, I don't know. Like we always kind of had this idea of like teachers go to school to learn to teach because there's a lot of kids. Right. Right.

They didn't, when they're in school, they're not learning. I shouldn't say this because I don't know exactly what they're learning. But it's more they're learning to control and do lessons plans for 30 kids. When you have one, doesn't everybody help their kid with their schoolwork when they get home? Like when they have homework? Like that's what people do, right? Like if I had a problem at home, who would I go to? I couldn't call my teacher.

Hey, mom. Mom, I need help with this math. I don't understand it. Mom would come over and we'd work through it, right? Or dad, if dad was home, we'd work through it. And i i kind of always had that idea like i didn't like like i know i can i knew i could teach my kids for at least and i i just thought it was going to be just when they're really young right i was like oh well i can do it when they're really young but then when they get older i won't be able to do it and that's not true either but but what a lot of people don't realize, like you would have never been able to

teach him the guitar and you didn't need to, you gave him the environment to where he learned it himself. Yeah, exactly. But a lot of people think that you as a parent, as a homeschool parent, you have to teach your kids everything. And that's not true. Right. Right. Your kids do Kumon. They're learning a lot right there. right? My kids do, you know, they're doing different subjects, like do math on, they have this, they go, they, they go on, it's called Nicole, the math lady. And she does like a little lesson for them. They follow along and then they do some work problems or they do some, some problems. So like, I'm not having to teach them everything, right? I don't have to know everything. I just have to know how to get them access to

someone that can teach them that stuff, right? some stuff they'll naturally just kind of learn like a guitar right but there's some things that someone needs to show them how to do it right needs to say hey like let's go through this let's work on this um but you can you there's acts you have access to like there's con academy there's so many like so many great. My brother Jonathan uses that with his boys. He's like, dude, my boys. Oh, yeah. Actually, my whole family is homeschooling.

So I started it. Yeah, I started it and no one was doing it. And then my brother Jonathan started doing it. And my older brother Jason started doing it with his kid. And now my sister whose son just started in my younger sister who started in kindergarten or first grade, she's doing it as well. So so that's super. So like, they're all some of them were were in public school, but they all are homeschool kids. So it's kind of a cool, like when we get together, that's all like, we just talk about that kind of stuff.

You know, it's like pretty cool to see like my family. I haven't seen any bad homeschooled kids. I mean, I'm sure they exist. I just haven't seen any. I haven't really seen much, right? It's not like, it's like a very a very very rare rare thing versus i feel like there's more like delinquent bad kind of kids in public school because i feel like kids just get ignored right like parents aren't giving them the attention at home they come to school for

some attention and they don't get attention right and so how did they get attention when they act up? Right. Right. And it's like, but, and I, and like my 10 year old will do some stuff sometimes. And I'm like, I, and I, and I realized, ah, I need to, he needs some attention. He needs, he needs some positive, like maybe he wants to go do something with me. Maybe he, you know, like I, like I can recognize those cues versus like when you're in school and like my older son to go do something with me maybe he you know like i like i can recognize those cues versus like when you're in school and like my older son doesn't do that so it's not every kid right but you can't do like a teacher can't stop me like oh i'm gonna i'm gonna give johnny a bunch of attention because he needs some attention like maybe he had a bad night maybe

there's some stuff going on maybe he's struggling with something right you can't you don't get to do that you know when you when you when you take your son to these um uh like when this baseball team he's on are all are most of the kids in school yeah most of them are there are some we've been on some teams where there's a good amount of homeschool kids but most of them are in are in public school yeah and and do you see that those kids are more sophisticated than than your kids like i see the kids um you know like uh i heard just about a year ago they were looking at an ipad a bunch of kids were gathered around an ipad and um and one of the kids said who's younger than my kid said oh are there any naked pictures of your parents on there or or like uh um they come – my kid has a video game that has 500 games on it. And it's like Defender.

It's like Defender. Oh, yeah. Like a little tiny one. Yeah, dude. It's like this thing you get on Amazon from China for like $40. And it's like – and they can't – but these other kids show up like who are younger than them like with these Twitches or switches or things. And my kids are seeing that or the other kids know how to navigate YouTube. And my kids are like, holy shit, YouTube.

And I just see this – they talk gooder. They talk more gooder than my kids. Not more polite, not more intelligently but um almost like used car salesmen like they they got a shtick already and i'm like holy shit these kids are advanced and my kids aren't there they just don't well i think because your kids are what seven and five right yeah and i can't believe there's like four year olds who go to school or they're in preschool every day and they just fucking they're like little adults already. Well, that's the whole thing is that it's like this race to get kids to grow up fast, right?

They have to, you want to do, they need to do what adults are doing. It's like, well, yes and no, right? Like my 13-year-old, I would say he's more sophisticated, right, than my 10-year-old by far because he's just been around things more, right? We allow him more freedoms to do stuff, right? But when they were younger, they were just – they were exactly like your boys, right? And so I think just as they're getting older, like there was no rush for me to teach my kids how to do all that stuff when they're four or five. But now that they get older, like, you know, I would say this, like learning how to read, right? Like you can, you can push a kid to do that when they're young and they can learn how to read, but there's no benefit to them learning how to read at like five versus like 10.

at like five versus like 10. Yeah, I didn't learn how to read until I was seven. And now all the kids are reading at five. It's pretty, even my kids through Kumon learned to read at five. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? But like whether you learn at that age or a little bit older,

there's no like when you become an adult, like where do you see the benefit of that, right? You see, they need to learn that young because then the teachers don't have to help them as much, right? Right, right. Then they can read their problems on their own. Like, my 10-year-old has struggled with reading. We actually have him doing a reading tutor. He just isn't – he's not into it.

Right. Like, he just doesn't want to sit down and do it. And so I'm just like, okay. Like I'm not going to make it a bad thing and force him. Right. Right. And then he's going to hate reading. You cannot do that.

That will fuck everything up. Yes. Absolutely. And my parents, they didn't know any better. They tried to force me to read. And I didn't read books until I was probably out of college. Like I would, and now I love learning. Like I'm so passionate about listening to audio books, reading different books. Just, I want to learn like, but I didn't, I didn't have the desire

like when I was younger. And so, and I, and I was like, I I hate reading like that was in my head I hate reading and I like I'm a I'm great at spelling I have great comprehension I didn't read growing up very very little and I'm like well and I have cousins and you know we have cousins of the boys that read when they're super young and they're like crazy they They love reading. And I'm like, that's wonderful. My boys like to play sports, right? My, my younger son likes to take stuff apart. He will just take stuff apart. He'll build stuff for us. They want to just, he just wants to get greasy and dirty. And I just get in the mix and he doesn't want to read. He just doesn't care about it. So we're working

with them, like slowly getting them ready for stuff. But like, he's, it's been something that like now he's more interested and so we're doing it and he's doing great. Um, but he wasn't, you know, and so we were, we've been homeschooling through a charter school. And so they give us funding and we had kind of have to jump through some hoops for them. And it was like a big, they were like very concerned that my son had a problem. And I'm like, no, no, no. My boys understand how you get good at stuff. They know that when you work on it, you get good at it. I'm like, why are you so good at baseball and your cousin isn't?

He's like, well, because I play baseball all the time. I'm like, why is he good at reading and you're not? Well, he reads all the time. I'm like, okay. So I said, as soon as you want to be good at reading you just need to start reading more right okay and now he's like i want to learn how i want to read more right he knows that you know the basic words and stuff like that but he's like i want to read more i want to read that book i'm like all right well let's start working on it yeah yeah and so it's this it's not a negative thing for him right so the charter

school is like oh it sucks yeah my kids though i haven't had to deal with any of that yet but i grew up with that i remember being like the smartest kid in the fucking school until the third grade and then some things came up like cursive or certain kinds of math and and the second i fell behind i hated myself yeah yeah Where that doesn't happen in homeschooling. No, it doesn't. It doesn't have to. It doesn't have to. Like if you're doing Kumon and you struggle, everything just slows down.

Just slows down, yeah. Yeah, and the rest of the class isn't getting ahead of you. Everything just goes. You're in your own lane. And when you're doing great, you go fast. And when you need more time, you get more time. And it's just like. Yeah, you go fast. And when you need more time, you get more time. And it's just like, yeah. Yeah.

I look forward to every day of spending all this time with my kids. Is that how it is for you too? You're just like, I can't wait. Yeah. My wife, you know, she's working a lot. She's definitely like, man, I miss wife you know she's working a lot she's she's definitely like man i miss being at home with the boys a lot like that's definitely something that like we enjoy like when she's home we just hang out when she's home like our schedule goes out

the door like unless you have like it's like what do we have today when she's gonna come i'm coming home tomorrow what do we have tomorrow i tell her we just have these two things cool and then we just enjoy life we just do whatever we want i'm pretty i'm pretty ocd about the schedule and now that summer's here and we live you know right near the beach i've told myself hey you have to let everything go yeah yeah if it's if it's 80 degrees you have to like not take them to tennis You have to not take them to jujitsu. They have to be able to just wake up and we have to just be able to go to the beach all day. And it's, it's so, it's so good. Um, yeah, absolutely. And they flourish. I'm never like, Oh, I wish we wouldn't have spent the, uh,

the whole day at the beach. It's always like, man, that was fucking brilliant. That was the best. Yeah yeah absolutely self-education is the only possible education and i guess we were just talking about this right like yeah if it has to be at their pace it's when your son's ready self-education is the only possible education the rest is mere veneer laid on the surface of a child's nature yeah you know what know what? Go ahead. Go ahead. So Charlotte Mason's like really big in the homeschool community. She's done a ton of just great work. Like she has some curriculum that you can follow, like homeschool style, like a certain style. But she's just someone that I've

heard of over the years. And you know what, I think that, like, that's, like, if you look at people with learning disabilities, right? Like dyslexia, right? Let's say dyslexia, like, there's so many, like, extremely successful, wealthy, powerful, whatever it is people that have that right have that have struggled through that right and so like that tells me that to a point that you have to start asking yourself hey is it really a setback or is it just like that person's different and they're getting different exactly and so when they're in school they're getting screwed right right they're getting they the schools the system is making them think that there's something wrong with them not that something different there's something wrong with them and that's a big problem like they have a third leg

and all pants are only made with two legs and now this kid's out even though he's got a third leg yep absolutely do one of your kids have dyslexia no no but i i know a lot of people that have it and it's and i and it's something i can't even understand dyslexia you know what i mean like when people explain it to me i'm like i it's pretty complex it's not just like people like they switch your letters yeah Yeah. It's like, there's a lot up. It looks like a five. Yeah. You're like, it's like, it's very, I don't fully, I was just reading something on it the other day, um, just from a homeschool person that I follow, um, who deal, who like helps people with that. But a friend of mine recently, there's, their son was diagnosed with dyslexia.

And so I was kind of talking with her about it. And I was explaining because I forget what book I read about it. But they talked about all these successful people that have these learning disabilities. And so I was kind of just sharing that with her. I was like, hey, like, that's OK. Like, for some reason, we made that into like this weird thing. But it just means they're different. They're just going to learn different.

Right. And so with homeschool. Which means they're going to create different yes and very likely more unique and quite in tons of examples better yep absolutely uh we have to embrace that stuff and we have to like let kids know that they're there's nothing wrong with them. They're just learning differently, right? That's it. This one rocked me. Don't question your ability to teach your child. Question putting your child into the same system that left you feeling incapable of teaching your child.

Right, right. I'm just like, oh, dude. Yeah, that's a problem right like you went to the idiot for not thinking of this myself this is idiocy to not to think that yeah yeah right i know i know it's like there's a problem like you went through all these years of school and you you're an idiot like right that's in your mind you're like i'm an idiot i can't teach my kid the basics yeah it's like no you can you can and like why would you want to put your kids in that it's it's just and school's dumber now than it was then yeah yeah everything they're just the lowest common denominator they're just bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator yeah uh i do this one is uh i i just love so many of these slides

the parent-child connection is the most powerful mental health intervention known to mankind. Yeah. Can you give me an example of that? Why you say that? Well, I think with, you know, like this, I think this is, this is huge for, you know, like, like as a parent, having that relationship with my kid where they can come to me and they can talk to me, right. And they can confide in me. Right. Um, like that is, that's going to help them deal with so many issues that they have as they're growing up. Right. Cause a lot of times, you know, like I talked to my wife or I talked to different different people and they say, you know, like I was all, I felt all alone when I was growing up, like when I had my period or if I had my first,

you know, um, erection or like, you don't know, you're like, Oh, I'm alone. You're like hiding from that. Right. But if you have your parent, right. If you have that connection with your parent, where they're like talking to you about stuff where you go, Hey dad, I feel weird. Or, Hey mom, what is going on? Or, or they've said, hey, this stuff's going to start happening. Your body's going to change, right? Then you have like an outlet to go talk to someone that's going to help you. You don't feel like you're alone. Like I think a lot of mental health issues, like we feel alone, right? And I don't know what, you know, I don't know like the science behind,

you know, the chemistry in our brain. But I really feel like having that connection with your parent like is going to allow you to just navigate those things a lot more successfully you know i was i was driving the van once it's funny there's tons of stuff my boys do with their penis that like bring back memories like the one the one i always the one i always uh remember is like when they were three years old and they were all in the bathtub they were pushing their penis inside out so like push it inside of it and then watch it pop out again and i was like

here i am as a fucking 48 year old man i'm like oh shit i remember doing that 45 years ago right i wouldn't or or they would wash me shower and they would be like soap your face soap your face they'd like they just thought that was so manly to wash your face and i remember watching my i remember thinking that about my dad my dad would wash his hair with his eyes open i'd be like this motherfucker's hard you know what i mean like he even closes his eyes he doesn't even close his eyes and um but but the direction thing is so funny because um it happened with all three of my boys all in a car seat they one of them would at first with avi he screamed when he's three he's like my penis hurts my penis hurts so i pull the car over i open the car seat

i undo his pants and he's got a hard on and it's probably like you know and it hurts him yeah and i don't even know if it hurts them, but it's his first one. And the only word he has to describe it is, you know, it hurts. Or it's the first one he's had where he can talk and has it simultaneously. And I'm just dying laughing. And then it happened to the second one and the third one. But you're right. They need a parent who's like, hey, it's all good.

It's all good. Stand up, shake it off, do a couple laps around the car. I go, that's just a lot of blood in there. She's got a ton of blood in there. You just got a ton of blood in there. Like, why does it go in there? I'm like, it'll all make sense as you get older. It all makes sense. Exactly.

Yeah. Like, I'm not sure how to explain to you, but it's just blood in there. Okay. I just run it off. I'm like, yeah, just run it. I do a couple laps around the car. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah.

Yeah. And I want to be there for them. I want to be there for them, for them, for all that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because you'd like it go ahead it's just you know it's like you're the guidebook right like they're like they're gonna figure out a lot on their own but there's some things that they're they they need some guidance on you know like they need to know like hey that's okay you don't have to feel weird about it like everyone else all guys that happens to all guys oh okay okay that's cool but we don't talk about it but it happens to all guys you keep that's your private your private stuff right that's you talk about that in the household with mom and dad you know that doesn't go anywhere else

you know like and you like they they learn stuff. I'll hear these parents say stuff like, um, there is no, um, there is no, uh, book on how raising a child, there's no right way and there's no wrong way to do it. And I don't like that, even if it's true. Cause I just, I, there's a, I feel like there's a sense of like abandonment of trying to be better. But like one of the things that's really important when you're raising a kid is to understand the true mechanisms of how a brain works so for example if you yell at your child what you're teaching your child is not that um uh throwing rocks at the side of the house is bad you're teaching them that yelling is a way to handle situations now i'm not saying that's right or wrong but i would say the vast majority of times that we yell

at our kids it's not right yeah like hey you just showed your kid that you should like you know that they leave the bathtub on and it flows over the side and now you're losing your shit and you're showing your kid when shit hits the fan the proper thing to do is lose your shit that's what you're teaching your kid yeah and you have to understand that like you have to understand what you're teaching your child you know and uh and i and i feel like that's part of this whole this whole mental health thing i don't think people understand how much shit that they're teaching their kids that maybe that they don't want to be teaching. Oh, I'm so open and letting my kids explore that. No, actually, you led them down that path.

Yeah. Well, it's definitely a struggle, right? Like, as you're around your kids a lot. It is. You know, like, I get upset with my boys. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? Like, it happens and

but then we have to talk about it later hey yeah guys that's not the right way to do it like i'm i was frustrated because of this i was trying to get this done and and this distracted me like you know and and it's like we really like i have no business talking to your mom like that the mirror i'll tell them that i tell them once a month i'll be like hey listen i shouldn't like the fact that you know i don't know what happened my wife left the car door open and the battery died and i come in the house i'm like dude the battery's dead again and even that i catch myself i'm like dude first of all yeah don't ever talk to your mom like that don't talk no one wants to be talked to like that it's a jackass thing to do yeah for sure you gotta have i know you gotta have those conversations but um yeah i forgot what i was gonna say sorry because i

interrupted you you're basically saying about having the hard conversations with your kid or no no um uh getting mad at your children you get mad yeah you know you get mad at them but you have that conversation you go hey that wasn't right right like that wasn't okay um and you're you're like the mirror is turned back on you like you really have to take responsibility for your actions you can't go oh well you know sending them to school like that's their problem like they're gonna they're the teachers are gonna teach them everything and it's like well this is my problem i to teach them everything. And it's like, well, this is my problem. I'm teaching them everything. Everything that they do stems from things that I've taught them, right? It's not obviously my fault. It's that they're this way because of the things that they've learned from me. And so you really, like as a parent, I'm like, I need to be like learning how to be a better

human, right? How to be a better dad, a better spouse, a better friend. And I, and we talk about those things. It's like, guys, you're in school, like you're learning, this is school. But I said, have you seen mom and dad? Like, we're always reading books. We're always listening to audio books. We're watching podcasts. We're watching YouTube stuff. Like we're, we're always reading books. We're always listening to audio books. We're watching podcasts. We're watching YouTube stuff. Like we're, we're constantly learning. I told, I told him, I said, Hey guys, you're going to probably do more learning. Not probably. You're going to do more learning once you finish school than you ever did in school. And that stuff is actually going to stick, right? You're going to find stuff you love and you're going to,

you're just going to dive into it. You know, like when I found CrossFit, my brother and I found CrossFit. It's like we dove in and we were like, I can't get enough of this. I remember learning kipping, kipping pull ups in my garage with my laptop in my house, watching Nicole Carroll. OK, that's what I do. Running out to my garage, jumping on the pull bar, doing some wobbly things, going back in. And I learned that day how to do kipping pull-ups. But I was so passionate about learning that, right? Yeah. And so when everybody came over to the garage later, I was like, guess what I learned?

Boom, I'm doing kipping pull-ups. And everyone was so jealous, right? But it's like, you have that, like, you're so passionate about learning. Like, I was like, you guys are going to have that. You're going to have those things where you're like, I'm in love with that. And I want to learn everything I can about it. And you're just going to dive in. And you're also going to learn that I'm going to pull up to a parking spot. And even though I was there first, I see someone's about to pull in. I rolled down my window. I'm like,

all yours, buddy. And I go to the other one. You're going to learn that when I'm in line at the grocery store and I got a basket full of groceries and there's someone behind me with one item, I let them go in front. They're going to see that when I pull up to the counter at British airways and I tell the lady, Oh my God, your hair is beautiful. Uh, and then she, she upgrades us to a business class just because I, I was able to say something fucking nice to some 65-year-old lady who's like, holy shit, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day. I'm like, well, you do have fucking remarkable hair.

And it's like, yeah, they're going to see all that shit. They're going to see that please and thank you mean more than your – and as parents, there's nothing more rewarding when you go to the toy store and buy your kid a toy and the person opens the package for your kid and hands you your toy and your kid looks up at the guy, person at the store and goes, thank you. You're like, that's better than your kid graduating from high school. You're like, oh my God, look the way he treats his fellow man. Yep, absolutely. It's crazy. man. Yep. Absolutely. That's a big, that's a, that's a big thing for us is like teaching our, teaching our boys to be leaders, to be strong men, to, and a strong man doesn't mean like you go kick ass, right? You go beat people up. You bully people. A strong man is like,

you take responsibility for what you're, what you're responsible for right like yeah you take control the situations you're in yeah responsible yeah yeah yeah and you you and you you navigate that right like i was talking to my son about that kid slapped him in the face i'm like these are the options i said this is this is here are probably the better options right you probably don't want to fight a good friend of yours because you're going to see him because he's going to be at the baseball games because he's, you know, his older brother's on your older brother's team. So you don't want to fight him. Like that's not the right up, right time for that, but you don't want him to bully you.

And so you got to, you have to say something. I said, you need to let him know that that wasn't uncomfortable. You have to face that uncomfortable. You have to say something. And exactly what I told him. I said, even, you know, even, even if it's uncomfortable, it feels weird. You you need to say it the more you stick up for yourself the easier it is but like those like you're saying those are the things that we want our kids to learn like that's the important stuff like i don't care if my kids like i don't care how good they are in math like my youngest i wasn't able to stand up for myself jeremy until i was in my

late 30s yeah most most people never learn to stand up for myself jeremy until i was in my late 30s yeah most most people never learn to stand up for themselves you know it's so cool people respect you for it like you don't even have to be a dick about it yeah absolutely it's so nice whole yeah the whole relationship evolves when you stand up for yourself yes if you're just cool with it it's it's kind of just it's kind of honesty 101 yeah yeah it is this is the this was my favorite thing i uh woke my wife up and read this to her last night uh this is the one that's really if you have kids or you're about to have kids this is the one that you really i i cannot emphasize enough. And I'm so fortunate that I live on the coast of California, one of the greatest spots on planet earth. I'm fortunate

that I also have some, a little bit of property here just up off the coast that's fenced in. But in this time of extraordinary pressure, educational and social, in this time of extraordinary pressure, educational and social, perhaps a mother's first duty to her child is to secure for them a quiet, growing time, a full six years of passive, receptive life. The waking part of it spent for the most part out in the fresh air. Yeah. What is that? That's how easy it is, people. It's just your time. It is. for the most part out in the fresh air. Yeah. Can you, what, what is that? Um, that's how easy it is. People. It's just your time.

It's that those first year, six years, people like, what should I do with my kid in the first few years? I go, I used to walk Avi to death. Yeah. They're just fucking dogs.

Just walk. Yeah. Yeah. I would spend three when he, the, the day he learned how to walk, I don't know, like at 13 months or whatever,

even before then when he would crawl, I would take him outside and there would be a coffee he, the, the day he learned how to walk, I don't know, like at 13 months or whatever, even before then when he would crawl, I would take him outside and there would be a coffee shop a mile, a half mile from my house. We'd spend two hours walking there. Every kid would fall 600 times. He would stop and stare at flowers. I didn't give a shit. Yeah.

We're on a three, we're on a three hour, half mile walk. Yeah. That's all I did with my kids for years. I get a lot of people with younger kids who aren't in school yet reaching out to me, asking me about, hey, how do I start homeschool? What do I do? What curriculum should I get? Where do I go? And I'm like, they don't need any of that crap.

Nope. Just do life. Get outside. Go places. Have them experience things, right? Let them them fall down let them climb up trees let them like we we where we used to live in in uh um when we had the gym there was a big tree and so my boys guess what they did they climbed to the absolute top of the tree as much as they can our landlord comes over and goes hey you can't you're i don't want your kids climbing in the tree you know that, that's why, you know,

she says something about homeschool. That's why, uh, and I, all this stuff always happens when I'm not there. It always happens to my wife. I'm like, babe, it's probably good. I wasn't there. Cause she would have, she would have probably kicked us out, but you know, Hey, that's why, you know, your kids need to get to get in school so they can get the w us out, but you know, Hey, that's why, you know, your kids need to get to get in school so they can get the wiggles out, you know, but it's like, they're, they're climbing trees. They're like, that's what you do. That's, that's what kids do, especially boys, girls too. So I

think this, but I think boys are more like, that's, that's the adventure. They want to get to the top. Like they want to see how high they can go. Not because they're trying to beat, he's not trying to beat his brother. Right. He's trying to get to the top because he they want to see how high they can go. Not because they're trying to beat, he's not trying to beat his brother, right? He's trying to get to the top because he wants to see what he can do. He's pushing his limits, right? And that's, we need to provide those opportunities where they can, they can explore and, and try stuff and not, not have mom and dad running around. I'm like, Oh no, no, no. Like, don't do that. Don't do this. Navigating their every step. That's what grandparents are for. Stop acting like you're fucking the grandparents right it's really hard being around your parents in the beginning because they want to over protect your kids

let them do it that's their job but you don't do it you know what my kids used to love doing driveways especially avi so anytime we saw a driveway he wanted to run down it and run up it run down he loved incline yeah oh yeah yeah look i'll just sit on the cement next to him and just for 15 minutes like your job is just to be patient just chill set a three stair you go to a hotel and they just want to go up and down the stairs for an hour. Yeah. Let them get on the railing. Just hang on the railing. Yes.

You know, cool. Take a deep breath and just watch. Yeah. There's nowhere to go. There's nothing to do. Yeah, absolutely. You don't have to get to the park if your kid just likes jumping up and down

off the curb. Yeah. I feel like there's a, you know, obviously you see more with moms, stay at home moms with their little kids. And I feel like there's this, like, that's a, it's as if we've created this idea that that's a negative thing. Right. It's like, that's like, I need to hurry and get that done so we can go do important things. Yes. I got to get that. Hurry up. Let's go. Are you done playing? Let's go. Let's go. We got to go do X, Y, Z, whatever the things they have to do. Right. And it's like, no, those, those are the most important things for your kid to do. I take your time there. And it's this, this, there's a sense of, and I feel it too, being home with them all the time. Like there's a sense of like, I need to get stuff done. Yeah. I gotta go get stuff done. Cause I have so much, I have so much to do. And sure, maybe you do, but the most important thing is go get stuff done because i have so much i have so much to do and and sure maybe you do but the most important stuff is that and you need to make that the priority and spend

the time doing that until they're done and then you move on i had that exactly what you're saying and about a year ago um avi had an incident uh i don't know exactly what happened but i think i guess it doesn't matter but he was in jujitsu and i think what happened is a kid kicked him in the stomach and he said that he felt his urine go back up into him kicked him in the bladder and then for six weeks he refused to like participate in anything. And in that six weeks I realized, Hey, I don't care how good my kids at anything. Like it re I just, I just need a healthy kid who want, who I just need a healthy kid. I don't care if he gets his gray belt. I don't care if he gets better at tennis. I just need a kid who's happy and wants to participate. And it kind of, it connects to're just saying it just rewired me i slowed down with everything it's okay if i miss a class here it's okay if um uh like i used to get mad at the jujitsu classes if i would go there and it would just be all fucking kids who couldn't give my kid a challenge and then they played games the last half of the

class yeah now i don't care because because you know what I mean it rebooted like oh fuck I could have an injured kid yeah like chill the fuck out it's not about getting to the next thing it's not about always achieving a goal it's about just just being there and participating yeah absolutely it's hard it's hard to because we're that's what we were conditioned to to do is just keep going going going going going yeah you know and no one ever it's hard to get yourself to slow down and be not just slow down but slow down and be okay with it right it's that's that's a challenge it really is they're young there's so much time oh yeah and they're always and they're always growing even when you think they're not growing yeah well i i appreciate you coming on um absolutely man thanks for having me i can't believe i can't believe i'm 500 shows

in and this is the first time i've talked about homeschooling um if any uh jeremy is uh on instagram he's very active is it okay if people hit you up in the dms if they want to talk to you about homeschooling oh Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's what I'm there for. So I'm there to help. So hit me up. It's been fun being on here and talking with you.

And, you know, I've always liked following what you're doing. I've always appreciated what you did and what you've done, you know, all these years when we met way back in the day until now. And so I appreciate that. And I appreciate your consistency with your message and your approach to life. So it's very refreshing, right, when people are real. Yeah, thank you. They don't bullshit and they don't bend and they don't, like, unbiable, right, unfiltered. Like, you need to be like,

you need to be true to yourself. Right. And I appreciate that with you. Um, so, but I, and thanks for having me on here. It's been, it's been great chatting with you. I'd love to come back on if you ever want me to have be on here again. I'd love to have you back on. I need, this needs to be, cause this is, um, you know, there's other people I have on the show and it's fun talking to them, you know. But this is you know, this is going to be something I'm going to be doing for the next 10, 15 years. And so I'd love to have you back.

Yeah. Well, you know, there's so much that you can dig into with this with this topic. You know, there's and I feel like more and more it's becoming just so important. Like there's so many people that are like they they want to do it they think it's right and they feel like we do but they're afraid to take that step they don't and so like that's why just I don't know just one day I was like you know what I should just start supporting homeschool families like I should start helping people because people will just reach out to me and so like it's, it's something that more people need to do, not because of any other reason, but they want to, like, they feel that urge,

like they feel that urge and desire to go. I want to have my kids home. Like some people don't like their kids. Some people can't wait for their kids to go back to school. I'm not gonna, I'm not judging them maybe a little bit but that's them but i struggle not judging them by the way i have a whole section in here in my notes you said i don't judge you for putting your kids in school and i'm like thinking well i fucking do and i and not not like i still can't be your friend you know like i judge my own mom you know what i mean it's not that i still don't love you but like i but i do judge you i i yeah well i i can i understand that they're they're just maybe not ready yet right it is it is weird though like you i i the

whole script gets flipped like you're saying you you think it's going to be hard homeschooling them but now that they're homeschooled it seems like it would be really hard to send them away yeah yeah absolutely it seems the script gets flipped yeah all right brother i'm actually um the only reason why i'm rushing to get off is i'm taking the boys to their uh skateboarding lesson awesome yeah sounds fun loved having you on the show uh take care and uh and i'll be in touch okay and i'll be following you closely on instagram for inspiration all right we'll see you have a great day man thank you you too bye guys thank you so much tomorrow morning it's not

on the schedule yet at 7 a.m i will have justin nunley on and darian weeks from the ufc justin nunley the great comedian award-winning comedian uh tiktok superstar instagram superstar and we TikTok superstar, Instagram superstar. And we will be talking about UFC 275, 76, whichever the one. Israel Volkanovski, Max Holloway, Jared Cannoneer, et cetera, will be fighting on. I will see you guys then. And I'll get that scheduled on StreamYard. Thank you, everyone. Bruce, thanks for texting me this morning and unfucking me.

I apologize, guys, for being an hour late today. Love you guys. I really do. This is a blast. Okay. Get your No Plan B shirt now at Vindicate.