The Sevan Podcast - #561 - Blayne Barber

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

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This morning we have Blaine Barber on on at least that's the plan professional golfer retired from what i can tell what a day yesterday yacht club with uh hiller and hunter and the three plane brothers and my wife and the california hormones lady sarah and her husband and her two kids man we raged they came back to the house took a quick, and then went back out to the beach. It was a crazy day.

When I mean nap, I mean like at 6 p.m. Hey, dude, Blaine, what's up, dude? Good morning. Good morning. Uh-oh, I'm on the wrong headphones. How's my audio? I'm going to tell you in one second. Sounds good.

Okay. I have it on the computer audio but i have headphones with me so it sounds good where are you that looks like a fun room this is my office it's just in our house yeah wow uh do you practice in there at all is there like one of those like green carpets that rolls out in there and you stand there with a stick and um if you do a little cut so i have a hitting mat that me and the boys hit into the yard sometimes i pull it out in the driveway and we'll bang balls uh and then upstairs i have a putty green it's just built up on two by sixes so it's like pretty basic has holes cut in it but that's turned into more of a uh play stage for uh performances from the children

um oh i see yeah so it's you know six inches high and it's turned into more of a play area than a putting green but it's fun how many kids do you have blaine uh we have three and number four coming in about seven weeks so right okay yeah because i saw your other three kids holding the uh is that a sonogram or what are those things called yeah that's right yeah so we uh a girl and then two boys and then another boy come what state are you in uh alabama good place to live deep south good place to live it's awesome uh we love it i I'm from Florida originally. Grew up in Florida.

All my family's still there. I'm the oldest of four. Everybody's married. A few kids now amongst my siblings. My parents are there. And then my wife and I met at Auburn. We went to school at Auburn University, which is in Auburn, Alabama, and still live here. How old are you?

32. And you have four kids already. Yeah, Alabama, and still live here. How old are you? 32. And you have four kids already. Yeah, we're just rocking and rolling. When I was 32, just to put that in perspective, I was living at home with my mom. I love it. I had been kicked out a few times, but I was trying to get back in. And then two more years later at 34, I was kicked out for the final time.

That's when I moved in with my wife. you did you've done great sense thanks yeah yeah it was a great run even then i'm i'm proud of it i i uh i guess you don't want your kids living at home if they're just like high on drugs or just just doing dumb shit i was i was pursuing dreams and i think my mom saw that i wasn't lazy i mean when i say pursuing dreams like i was into shit i was i was pursuing dreams and i think my mom saw that i wasn't lazy i mean when i say pursuing dreams like i was into art i was drawing yeah but dude you had a stick and we're trying to hit a ball into a hole i was which is really weird i don't i don't even know if there's more money in that in a stick and a ball versus like being the next van go you know yeah that's true because you can uh that

could have become a billionaire that's right on some crazy art art is a funny my wife is uh she's an artist on the side just as kind of a hobby we have a little studio upstairs and she has a um she has a website she does some like landscape type abstract painting she's fantastic she's just not trained at all she just loves to do it she's good at it it's something that an outlet for and uh art is so subjective man you can you can take a paint can and just like throw it at a canvas and be like that's worth 10 million dollars and if somebody believes you then that's what you can sell it for yeah when when hunter biden was in a pinch he just made some art there you go you could never be in a pinch and just be like hey i'm gonna hit some balls

that's right you gotta you still gotta i meant to hit it into the trees what are you talking about that's right there you go like that yeah that's why that's why i'm done i wish that's how it worked i wish that's how it worked um how old were you the first when you uh your earliest memory of golf uh my first memory i i started saying with my boys, they don't play, but they love going to the course and riding in the cart and eating snacks and hanging out. And so I went to the course with my dad. That's the accessory work.

In CrossFit, we call that the accessory work, right? Sitting in the cart and like, yeah. Exactly. So my dad was a recreational player, just picked the game up in college and played for fun. And I would go to the course with him when I was two or three. Uh, so my dad was a recreational player, just picked the game up in college and played for fun. And I would go to the course with him when I was two or three. Um, obviously don't remember that, but I do remember it around five. We were at the house on a Sunday afternoon and we were going to the golf course to hit balls to practice. And, uh, he had golf on the TV, the PGA tour was on.

And I was like, Oh, they're going to be people like that out there watching us when we go today. Cause you know, all the gallery and, uh, that I didn't have the perception of what we were going to do, but I do remember that vividly. That's kind of like my first golf memory that I can think of. So you have really 32 years exposure from the second you were born. You had exposure to the game that's right yeah um do you know your dad's history with golf he he did not play he played kind of the classic sports

growing up he is from a really small town florida lake butler florida and he played uh he was quarterback of the football team pitcher on the baseball team and played those pretty competitively he wasn't um he kind of went a military his dad was a marine and he went rtc and was going to go into the marines um that all chair the navy i believe that all changed with some he had a spleen rupture and just issues medically that prevented him from continuing so he didn't play sports in college but he was athletic and then um once all that ended and he was in college i think he just found the game and enjoyed it and just kind of played sense for fun so still we still all my whole family plays except for my mom i remember i i don't i really don't know anything about the game of golf, but I do remember hearing like 10 years ago that it was just being overrun by women.

I mean, I should probably use a different word because that has negative connotation, but basically that women who had just completely embraced golf, like they were maybe even surpassing the men in numbers. Yeah, I don't know that I necessarily have a finger on that pulse but it is certainly i from a collegiate and a professional standpoint there's certainly a large um surge of the interest in it and the opportunities they're getting and i think it's great um the a lot of their major sponsors on the professional tours have stepped up and started putting more money into the game which you know there's always that argument between you know clearly if you bring in a lot of money you can pay a lot of money that's just how

the market works um but they there's a lot more intrigue so yeah it's definitely a multi-sex sport in terms of just uh interest and accessibility now it's a great it's honestly a great way for women to get, uh, collegiate scholarships and a free education. Cause there's a lot of opportunity in that space. And, um, I think they gravitate to other women's sports. And so there is a huge market there for being able to go to school for free. I had a golfer on before Scott. Yeah. Very early.

It was really actually cool of him to come on. Um, it was, uh, in the beginning, there were some nice guys. I felt like who came on for charity work, Dave Castro being one of them and Scott also,

um, he made it sound. Also, he made it sound – my perception of what he said was to be the guys – so unfuck me. But basically there's 125 guys that are basically in, and basically they get some sort of stipend that's nothing barely anything to being super rich and then there's these other 125 guys who are invited to play but it's all on their own dime and if you're not in that 250 it's it's just like fuck you it's it's a it's a very difficult uh is that the way it is can you kind of give me that what's what there's a herd that's like the herd that gets all the invitations and then there's a herd that's like the herd that gets all the invitations and then there's a herd that's like trying to get the invitation right yeah so all uh and then there's

and then there's the other guys just the dreamers that's correct yeah okay so uh a lot of that is because it's an individual sport and it is a true meritocracy so there is no uh owners managers uh nobody's calling you up and saying hey you got potential we're going to pay you to be on our team here's some guaranteed money come and play caleb could you look that word up meritocracy sorry oh you look he's about to take a sip of coffee what's caleb doing i saw i'm just about to say okay go ahead uh so it's it's just performance based right if you shoot a lower score than me you win that's just okay there's no there's no subjectivity to it it's not your pants fit better or which yeah i wish that's how it

worked because uh i feel like i get the details right but you gotta still shoot a lower score uh yeah those pants you have are pretty awesome i was looking at those wondering if i could pull those off uh meritocracy government or the holding of power by people selected on the basis of their ability oh so the exact opposite of woke yes wow meritocracy is the exact opposite of woke that's when you're just okay i like that yes your ability is all that matters if you make a three and i make a four you win there's no like judge telling you otherwise right they're not like well we don't have any armenians we're taking him yes that's right um but before we go there scott scott is shout out scott he uh he finished second yesterday on the pj tour in their playoffs which is a huge event uh his best finish in a long time uh made like 1.6 million dollars great great week set 600 000 after taxes and expenses people don't

get too excited right um qualified for the tour championship for the first time in his career which is a huge uh benchmark and then scott is who actually uh introduced me to crossfit um oh wow back in 2016 15 14 to 15 is uh scott's kind of my intro into the fitness world so uh he's good buddy of mine and uh had a great day yesterday so i want to give him a shout out not only did he take second in that tournament but it let it's lead to an invite to some other badass tournament i mean how much more badass can a tournament be if you get 1.6 million for second place well next week the winner of the season-long points gets 15 million so oh wow so if he has a good week it's that's a big you know yeah exponential uh that's a new house on the lake in corderline that's right next week is the end of the regular season which is it's only

30 guys so they dwindle it down throughout the playoffs. They go from one 25 to 70 to 30. And then those 30 guys are playing for the like massive bonuses. And so it's a, it's a huge accomplishment professionally. So. Just so you know where I'm taking this is I'm going to compare what you say to CrossFit because all the athletes, how explain to the athletes, how good they actually have it, those whiny little fucks. Because what you guys do, there's so much more money circulating in your ecosystem. And I bet you when you look at it, it's even worse for you guys.

Well, this could be a tangent. I love tangents. So Heidi just mentioned the Live Tour. I love tangents. uh, that they've taken a number of the top players and it's sort of, uh, come in as a competitor to the PGA tour and sort of disrupted their business model. And so, um, so that's not a meritocracy. Uh, no, for the first time in professional golf, it's, it's a different model. Um, and they've just come in and give guys guaranteed money and said, Hey, come play for us. And we're going to kind of start a new fun, you know, entertainment league. And it's more that way.

So it kind of it puts a wrench in kind of what golf is historically about. You you got a dream, you work hard for it. If you beat the other guys, you achieve it. And that's just I love that about golf. I think that's one of the things that has always drawn me to the game. I love that about golf. I think that's one of the things that has always drawn me to the game. And, you know, it's fresh, infuriating, and exciting all at the same time because there's so many ups and downs and highs and lows.

But to your question, the way that it works is if you're an American junior player, and honestly worldwide, up until this point in history, because now you have this new tour that is to be seen where it goes your dream is to play in the pj tour that's where jack nicholas has played and harold palmer's played and tiger woods and it's where the best players in the world play for the most money against the best competition and it's it's just the best place to play and so that's where everybody's shooting for and on that tour there's only 125 spots that you have a guaranteed position to be able to play in their events year to year so

there's about 200 people who have access to the pga tour but numbers 126 through 200 are what they would consider conditional so field sizes sizes vary. So like the CrossFit games has 40 men or 40 women, and then the number of teams, right? In a golf tournament, depending on time of year with daylight or size of the venue, et cetera, a tournament is either going to have 120, 144, or 156 people. It changes depending on daylight savings and how many people they can tee off and all that kind of stuff. Tell me those numbers one more time. One what? 120 is like an invitational small field. Some are even smaller. Like I said, next week's 30. That's an exception because that's

only one time a year. Okay. 144 or 156. And those are kind of depending on like other like court size or uh like what you say number of hours uh in a day okay depending on how many tee times you can effectively tee off do the ass players have to go first they uh they going first is actually kind of advantage because the greens are smoother there's less traffic and then typically the weather's nice early in the day the wind not as hot you know as hot. It's all variable. But some sort of order. The better platters, the higher rank you are. They do it in a system.

So there's like an A category, a B category, a C category. Okay. And the tournament winners from like the premier players, Tiger Woods is going to tee off in the middle of the wave because then the TV is going to get the most of his round. Okay. So it's based off TV money contracts visibility uh veteran players are going to tee off first and then rookies and new guys are going to tee off at the last half of the wave so they're going to get more difficult weather conditions uh course is going to be more beat up and that's just so rookies that do good that's impressive it is it is extremely

impressive um okay yes it's rare like there's a there's probably like in crossfit winning an event from the from the first heat you didn't get to see anyone. And it's rare. Like there's a, there's probably like in CrossFit winning an event from the, from the first heat, you didn't get to see anyone else go. It's like, holy shit. Great, great analogy. Love that. Okay. Um, so yeah, that, that would be a great example of that. And so, uh, so year to year, only 125 guys. So you can think of that in, in relation to other professional sports in nfl you have what is it 30 man roster to 40 man roster over 30 something teams mlb similar with more more i don't know the numbers on mlb but like it is a very small subset of people and and you have to if you can if you can snatch 300 pounds do what you froze for a second go ahead froze for a second go ahead okay uh if you can snatch 300 pounds you're gonna you're gonna beat

a guy every time in an event if he can only snatch 200 pounds, right? That's just science. In golf, there are a bunch of these dreamers who can do the exact same things as the premier guys on the PGA Tour, but they maybe just can't do it as consistently or regularly. But on any given day, anybody can beat anybody from like the professional standpoint in a money game on a Saturday or even in a tournament. But then if you draw that over the course of the season or the course of a

week, the better player, the cream is going to rise to the top. And so it's just extremely competitive. And then you duplicate that same system down to the corn fairy tour, which is a corn fairy is just a massive consultant from an LA that is like the title sponsor. It's a strange name. Audibly, if you see it written out, it's KORN, not CORN. But it's basically like AAA baseball or like semifinals, semifinals athletes that are getting close to the games, not quite there, but you have a chance to earn your spot there. And that's what,

that's the tour that you have to play on in order to get into that elite level of 125 guys, if that makes sense. So, yeah. And those 125, does the 125th guy make any money? Yeah. I mean, I think, especially with purse increases and the tour signed a new TV rights deal within the last two years that has kind of drastically increased purses. The 125th guy probably makes close to a million bucks. A year.

Yeah. It's a lot. 800 to a million. And then, you know, between. No shit. Actually, look at this. This is just great. That's last week.

I think. Go down to that guy in the very bottom well hold on you got to go to uh go to the pga tour website and then pull up like current year uh because the season's over so that'll give you a good projection but yeah so it's but on that same there's an argument to be made where the and this is where the competition between the live tour and the pga tour and kind of what started this whole debate is if you look at the 125th paid person in other major sports it's like 5x 6x times the amount of the pga tour okay so you're saying if you took if you took like the uh i don't know how the the

a thousand guys who play in the nfl the 125th guy still makes more than this dude that's correct yeah it might even it might even be yeah okay i see what you're saying it could be some backup quarterback who's making 15 but but what's what's fascinating about it is uh in this model, you, Phil Mickelson or Tiger Woods is bringing in exponentially more money than I am at a tournament. Like nobody's coming to watch, paying, buying a ticket to watch me play except my friends and family.

Right. Blaine Barber sold eight tickets. Because, because Phil's in the event, he's enabling the tv contract and the sponsor the tournament for the purse and like he's propping up the purse that i'm now playing for and so he we're playing for the same amount of money but he deserves more money than i do and right right you know which is why tom brady makes more money than a rookie. So there's all kinds of arguments we had about that,

but it's a fantastic way to make a living and you make a lot of money. When I, when I look at your Instagram, if I'm going to be completely frank, it doesn't look, are you ever not completely frank? It doesn't look, what's the word i'm looking for you don't look at it doesn't look fun or it's fun it's not the right word like it looks hard like stress like like you don't look stressed but the the stories you share repeatedly wherever i clicked around it's like oh like like you you don't never seem like you're happy with how you performed. Like you're never good enough. That's right. And I'm like,

Holy shit. And you played four years on the PGA tour. I did. Yeah. So four consecutive years. Correct. Yeah. Right. Uh, from 2014 to 2018. And then, yeah. And it just seems stressful as And then, yeah, and it just seems stressful. Oh, man. It is a very stressful career. And let's see here. Yeah, there you go. And a lot of that is.

Yeah, so the quote, sorry, that Caleb highlighted is, honestly, I don't like it most days, but it's currently where I'm called. That's a quote from your Instagram. Yeah. So, and it's not that I don't still have that sort of childlike, you know, just excitement to do whatever you're learning to do. Like inherently I love golf. I love the challenge of it. I love being outside. I love the artistry of it. But I'm very type a, I'm a perfectionist, um, very high structure and order and golf is just everything but that. And, and so there's blessing and cursing in that, like you can, it can be beneficial if you use it appropriately, but it, for the most part for me and the way that I'm wired, it's just been maddening. Like it's, it's like, you know, I'm, I'm trying to do X and I keep getting Y and it is just, uh,

you have to kind of have the, you have to be that way in terms of practice and preparation, but then kind of just be carefree and roll with the punches when the competition occurs, because it's so, um, there's just no level of control to it. I i mean it is just the weather changes you can get a wind gust you can feel bad one day you can your swings just off your mind's not sharp like it's it's a very very very difficult game i guess i i don't know how so there's tic-tac-toe right and i don't know how many different strategies or moves there are in it but but it's pretty confined and it's really strict game yeah and then and then there's chess and it's it's it's

also very strict but fuck there's like some crazy amount of like ways the game can play out it's in the billions maybe trillions right but still it's so fucking like this king can only do this this queen can only do this you can only do this and even in its gazillion moves it's really finite and structured still yeah but golf's not like that it's like goes off into infinity the wind and bugs and like how you feel and there's just it's kids it's it's it's chaos right like theoretically uh you and i could go play yeah in terms of what able – you know, like you hear the cliche phrase in all sports, control the controllables. Like I can think clearly, go through my routine, make a beautiful swing, hit the ball where I'm looking. It can hit the flagstick, which is what I was trying to accomplish, and ricochet in the water. Oh, yeah.

That sucks. I see what you're saying. Or you could go out there. You don't know anything about golf. You probably haven't. Have you ever swung it off of? Once when I was like 15. I played a hole nine with just a putter. Like I played nine holes and the kid I played with, we snuck onto the course. He's like, you only get to use this stick.

I hate, and you might know that I hate golf because of that. So this is an extreme example. So I can do that. Hit the flagstick, rich in the water, execute it perfectly. You could hit it, miss the ball kind of on the top, skip off the water, hit a tree, Rick Shay over and it could hit a slope and roll. That's literally how golf can work. And it just doesn't, it's like, it's maddening. So I love it. It has been so, so good to me and my family and we've the last 10 years

have been a crazy ride and journey and it's changed me and and humbled me and uh and i love golf so don't like the takeaway here anybody listening isn't that you know i hate golf it's it's just that uh i played it and i played at the highest level and i'm super grateful for that but uh as of this year yeah we just and honestly added to all that not only is the game difficult but you're on the road half the year i mean yeah that part sounded nuts when scott talked about it too a tournament is monday to sunday and so when i go to a tournament i'm leaving morgan and the kids here at the house um and that's difficult as a family and i felt like it's eventually that would win out um and we're just we're ready to be

together more often so um coming home's hard too i used to travel a lot i don't travel at all anymore but coming home's weird did you ever have like re-entry uh no because i'm kind of a control i would be like a control freak for the first like not a long time but first like six or seven hours i'm home yeah i mean yeah i can i can feel that but honestly it's just it's just i miss them so much that they're yeah and the regularity of me coming and going is consistent throughout the year in terms of like when the summer hits i'm gone two weeks at a time pop home for a week or two go out two more weeks at a time and so i started wrestling with when i was at home i'm always thinking about going to playing again because i'm excited to play and then when i'm playing i miss home and i'm just like

i had a hard time being where my feet were, which is just difficult. This is totally off subject. Do you ever think about the word gratitude? Yeah, a lot. What does that mean to you? I'm trying to understand what gratitude is. I think, yeah, what does it mean to you i'm trying to understand what gratitude is i i think what yeah what does it mean to you gratitude um i mean thankfulness is the first word that comes to my mind um the quality of being thankful readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness there's gonna be a different go ahead yeah please uh it's easy to feel so golf's a very

individual sport and then sort of the cultural moment we're in is all about individuality and like uh being your best self listening to your inner voice. It's just very centrally focused and gratitude is more of a position of like nothing I have is because I chose to be here. Like I didn't pick my parents. I didn't pick the life I was born into. Now you can certainly take and cultivate those things and be a good steward of like the opportunities you're given, whether that's meeting Greg and working with CrossFit or it's being homeless for a period of time or your mom that allows you to come in and out as you want. or your mom that allowed you to come in and out as you want. But like,

ultimately my family sacrificed a ton so I can plan the PGA tour. So for me to stand up and say, man, look how hard I worked and like, look what I achieved. And I mean, sure. I put in a lot of hard work and I use my natural gifting,

but I mean, my, my siblings gave up a lot of fun time at home on the weekends to go travel with me. So I can play junior tournament. So I can play golf. Like, yes, I'm not a one man show show um and so gratitude i think is just the kind of outward looking perspective of being aware of uh why you are where you are i like um uh i liked what you said it's's a, it's a, it's a position. I'm starting to think that, that there,

there's something magical in like that, that word, that thought could be a gateway for me, like a door. If I can get, if I can embrace that idea more, more and also I could share with other people because i feel very thankful like almost so thankful that i'm not thankful i can't really explain it but but when i but yesterday when i was looking at your instagram i was like you seem like a very um uh you don't take anything that you have for granted. It seems like. I, well, I instinctively I do, but I try to push back against that. I think that's kind of a right, right. Easy trap to fall into. But, um, yeah, I just like, uh, you know, the,

the go back to CrossFit, anybody who like CrossFit takes a stupid tremendous amount of hard work and suffering and all these things but like for somebody to stand up and be like look at me look what I achieved like you didn't choose the body composition you were going to be born with to be five nine and like if you just kind of like kind of just let that roll off and not stand on some high horse of pride, it's just I think that humility sort of leads to gratitude because it just it's perspective. It just changes your perspective. And then that just sort of leads to a more peaceful existence. a more peaceful existence. I guess there's got to be some sort of, if gratitude's a position, there's got to be some sort of way of feeling it when you hit a bad ball versus when you hit a great ball. But either way, you just stay in that position. Have you ever stayed in a good place when you hit a bad ball?

I would say that was one of my greatest struggles. Can anyone do it? Can you have a bad stroke and still stay in a good place? Yes. Maybe good's not the right word either. I've been there. I think that's the one thing that kept me from sort of achieving what I felt like I was capable of achieving, i.e.

playing on tour every year, winning tournaments, competing for big events, etc. And I think we're naturally inclined as humans to be circumstantially swayed in our emotions. So bad things happen, my emotions are going to change and then if i start listening to my emotions i'm going to start making irrational decisions and so it's a matter of having the right perspective uh and now for me like what i would would place my uh cultural lens or worldview or like stability on would be my faith. And to be grounded in a place where circumstances don't sway, you know, my identity or my happiness or my comfort level.

Like it's easy to miss five cuts in a row, make no money and wonder if like, we're going to be okay as a family, right? Instead of like, I'm going to work hard. I'm going to trust that this is my job is what I'm supposed to be doing. And I'm just going to wait for that moment to come when everything kind of clicks. And if I start getting angry and upset and wavering on my work ethic, or I start changing and bouncing around my ideas, then maybe that's not going to lead to that kind of out from that difficult moment.

So it's just, does that make sense? Yeah, it's crazy that you have... I hear, what is that sound? I just heard it. Let me turn my fan off. Okay, thank you. I wonder if you didn't have any kids, you think you'd still be – so are you retired from golf now? I am. I joked this last week that it's going to stop. I promise it's squeaking.

Retirement is when you don't have to work again. Unemployment is when you got to find another job. So I'm retired slash unemployed. But yeah, I'm just done with golf competitively. I want to still be able to enjoy it. And honestly, I'm kind of excited to just play with my buddies and have fun again. Cause it's kind of just, it's turned into a job,

which is normal and you just bounce it. But yeah, I'm done with golf competitively. Do people ever, so, so if the last time you had been on, well, two,

two thoughts here. Imagine if you, I wonder if you didn't have kids if you'd keep pursuing it. Yes. We've discussed that. I think at this point with every piece of information that I have and kind of where i'm at um if i didn't have kids it would kind of just depends on more morgan's feeling about it but i think it would be a lot easier like when before we had kids we traveled together full-time as a couple morgan hasn't worked we just kind of set off on this journey together and traveled and um pursued it and it

i'm certainly choosing my family's wellbeing at this point. And listen, there's guys who do it great and can handle kind of the back and forth of being gone so much. We just feel like for the first time as a family, we're not thriving and kind of firing on all cylinders. And, and I,

I want that for my family. And so. You really are a professional dad, though. Four kids is like that. That's you're you're like really doing it. Yeah. Or at least you have the opportunity to really do it. That's correct.

Yeah. As you know. And so, yeah, there they are. It's way different. It's way different than one kid. Way, way, way, way, way. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. So there's in the Ford and Lawson. and then Maverick is number four coming. The boy in the overalls, what's his name? That's Lawson. We adopted him, and we were there in the delivery room with his birth mom, so we've had him since he was born. So why – God, I have too many doors open um why uh why adopt a child you already have two why did you adopt a child we uh i i love adoption i think it's a huge need were you adopted no i was not did your parents adopt kids no no adoption in my family um

but i clearly i love it i think there's a need for it. I think it's a beautiful thing. But Morgan has always kind of felt inclined to do that and pursue that ever since she was in high school, even. She just has kind of had a heart for that. And so we discussed that when we were dating and we were engaged and it was just kind of always a discussion topic. And then we, for no reason other than we were just like man we want to do

this why not pursue it um we after we almost we kind of had uh took a while to get pregnant with ford our second um not not drastically long just more months than we had envisioned and then so we kind of started to pursue it and we found out we were pregnant with ford so we held off and then we were like man we're in a place where we can do this. Uh, we have two healthy babies and we have the finances to do it. And so let's go pursue it. And, uh, we did, and it's been amazing. He's a, he's a cool man. It's, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, I mean, it's a human being. It's a lot to take on. It's like crazy, crazy, uh, responsibility. It's, it's so freaking impressive. What does your family think? Does anyone push back when you want to adopt a kid? No, we, uh, we've had great support from our family,

which is awesome. Um, and it's been, man, it's, there, there is, there was no difference whatsoever in loss and coming out of a woman's body who was not my wife. And then him being mine immediately versus the other two. Like, I can't explain that. I don't, it just,

uh, here's a baby. He's yours. This is your son. And, uh, you get to raise him and it's, it's been really cool.

And he just has been, uh, a barber since the beginning. And, um, it's been really cool. And he just has been a barber since the beginning. And it's been really cool. So. Is it expensive to adopt a kid? The, the, the, the paper, the. I mean, obviously kids are expensive, but I mean the process, not like raising a kid, but I mean the process is that expensive? It is. It can be. There's cheaper ways to do it.

I think our eyes were open to a lot of the, I think there's a huge need for it. Is that expensive? point is crazy like it just felt like a felt like i was in a mergers and acquisitions at sordium for a year as we were going through all the paperwork and the you know can anyone take him from you is he yours yeah he's he's ours there's a as much as your other kids are yours yes correct so there's a awesome that is fucking great to hear yeah there's there's a every state has like a turnover period where the birth mom can change their mind after birth. He was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, and it was only 24 hours or 48 hours, maybe. It was pretty fast. And then it's like six months until, I don't know if that's a just kind of check-in phase where the social worker's like hey this family's grounded and stable and like the baby's being taken care of but i think it was six months after

where all the legalese is like completely finalized and there's i mean he's uh he's he's a barber for sure so um is this true um uh travis uh bellingen from Vindicate says adoption is a requirement to become a mayhem athlete. Is there truth to that? No, not that I know of. Are you a mayhem athlete? I mean, I'm a I'm a fan of mayhem. And I do. I've been just kind of casually doing their programming. I've learned I just learned a ton through watching rich and that whole crew and kind of the stuff that they put out. Um, and they've been great to me. And they, they as of actually this morning was my first like full mayhem athlete training

session now that I don't play golf anymore. So yeah, it was fun. Um, when you, when you're, you have this four year run from 2014 to 2018. And so at that time you were in your twenties. Yes, that's right. Are you, is that young to be on? What's the average age? Is that young to be on the PGA tour? No, man, there are, I think.

12 year olds now? 12 year old Pakistani kids? Not quite. We haven't gotten there yet. But I mean, average age on the PGA tour used to be like mid 30s. And now it's like mid to late 20s. It's shifted dramatically. And I think that's just like any sport. People get better earlier. And they, yeah, there you go. So 10 years ago, it was 35. That's right. And I don't know what it is, like what the actual data is for today, but it's shifted way younger. I mean, you got guys competing for major championships at 22, 20. Wow.

And it's just like any sport where the progression and the improvement at the professional level trickles down to the college level and the junior level. And then guys are just more prepared mentally and physically and um they're just ready to roll and so they come out with and and there's a i'm a huge i've i've reflected a lot on ignorance being an advantage at 24 like i didn't know why i was good i was just i immediately went there by the way when you said young guys i was like god it must be nice to just give no fucks right i think i think a big part of my struggle over the past four or five years since i've lost my pga tour card is when i was 24 if somebody told me to do something with a golf ball i just did it i was just like okay well this is like this is what i do and i'm good at it and then you almost like figure out why you're you start to like in in

an effort with good intentions to improve you start trying to figure out why you're good and then you get too many voices coming at you with different opinions and perspectives of how you can improve and then you sort of that like naivete just crumbles. And then for me, I felt like that happened. And then it just becomes like a, you're kind of digging and searching for, I know I'm good. Like I have a lot of self-confidence. So I think I can still go out and play with the best players in the world, but it just hasn't materialized into results. And I think that ignorance of a 22 year old just helps a lot of times it's like the difference

when you're 18 and you're saving your money or you know even 15 saving your money to buy your first car you just you're just saving your money to buy your first car you're just singularly focused but when you're 35 you're like hey i'll keep driving this car i'll put that 30 grand in a trust in a mutual fund and when i'm 70 it'll be three million dollars and so you don't get the and so yeah yeah uh hindsight is is 2020 and uh you know you can i wish i wish my 32 year old self would have told my 25 year old self a lot of things if i was told that if you did it's really easy if you come with golf i don't know if this is true but i was told that if like if you were

to take a week off your game would slump like it's the kind of thing you have to be like on top of yeah that's another uh another unique thing about it is balancing work and rest because you never feel like you do enough similar to any high level performer in any endeavor i mean whether that's you researching for a podcast or crossfit or a football player i mean it right you always feel like you can do more right um and once again back to gratitude and perspective I think I really had to press into like believing at a functional level that like, I'm not the one controlling the universe. Like I can put my work in and then I can just leave it at the golf course and I can go home and I can be a husband and a dad because that wrestle, every time I leave the parking lot

at a golf course after practicing, it's like, the golf course after practicing, I didn't hit those last five shots like I wanted to, or I could have put more work in on my putting or whatever it is. And so where was I on the original point there? Basically, if you were to take a week off, does your shit just start waning? No. I heard that and I was like, wow. There's a level of that. You definitely, because it's so muscle memory oriented, like if you, if you build your strength in a 12 week strength cycle, you can take like a month off and still lift a lot of weight.

Like your retention level is really high. Right. In golf, if you don't practice a particular skill set because it is so it's both feel based and mechanically based in terms of muscle memory, like you have to be very precise with how far the ball flies with any given iron or wedge shot, right? Like it's gotta be the firmer, the conditions get the harder it gets. You have to be more and more precise. And that just takes my eyes seeing the target and getting a feel for how far

it is. And then also my body relating to that feel in terms of practicing it and so there is here we go this is me uh i got a net in the gym in the garage uh doing a little bit of practice uh dangerous right there no it just ball bounces back it's fine i mean i guess it could come back and smack me in the balls or something but it'd be all right yeah i'd be scared to death oh you have two assault bikes you have two bikes well i have i have all the uh cardio type machines um salt and an echo yeah salt and an echo that's right oh god that's good i'm impressed yeah got a good good setup in there so yeah but but at the same time it's so mental it's so

mentally taxing and it's so there's you have to have so much mental acuity that if you take a week off i vividly remember my second maybe my third year on tour i was in a i was just in a slump i wasn't playing well i was burnt out i was in the meat of the season. I played a ton of weeks in a row. And I came home and I did not touch a club for the entire week. I just put the clubs in my closet. I worked out, hung out with my family and just had fun. And I went to the tournament the next week in Hilton Head, South Carolina, and I'm a best finisher of the year. Wow. Wow. That's a trip. Okay. There's a balance there. That's not prescriptive. That's not how it works. But there are times when your brain is so jacked up that you just need to chill and then go out there and just let your instinct take over a little bit. whether I need to come home and work my butt off or if I need to take five days off. And it's always just juggling, finding that middle ground there, I think. And that's even that in and of itself is taxing. So in 2018, so you fall off that there's the 125 and you fell off the bottom. That's right. Yeah. I finished like 160 something that year. So are you trippingpping it's like the last

tournament of the year and do you go into that like with just crazy pressure on you like oh fuck if i don't win this one i'm fucked um yeah that that year was crazy so uh in january of 18 my college roommate and one of my best friends was my caddy he was working for me full full-time, which was amazing. It was cool. He worked in sales for a while out of school. And then that would have been five or six years out of our school when we graduated. He quit his job and came and caddied for me full-time. And it was awesome because he was a high-level competitive golfer and close friends. And it was cool to travel and do that together. And we were in Hawaii at the Sony Open, which is like the first event of the calendar year. And Friday night we've made the cut,

which when I say that every week you play two rounds, Thursday, Friday, they cut the field down to about 70 people. And then you play Saturday, Sunday. And if you don't make a cut, how many holes,

how many holes for a cut? 36. You play 18, 72 for a tournament. Okay. Okay play 18 every day. Oh, wow. 72 for a tournament. Okay, okay. So you play 36, they cut it, and then you play for money and points on the weekend. So if you miss five cuts in a row, you make no money those five weeks. Does your performance before the cut continue or no?

Yes. It does? They cut it, and then you just continue to play the weekend where you were at yeah okay so you don't get a clean slate no that's right yeah okay okay um so anyways we make the cut friday night uh he's like hey i'm gonna go down to the sports bar and get some drinks with some friends and hang out and uh 10 minutes later i got a phone call that he had a seizure and he was unconscious oh shit and i was like uh well that weird. Cause that's never happened before. He's healthy. He's in good shape and 28 and whatever. So I ran down there and fast forward, crazy long story. I can talk about this for an hour. He was in a coma for seven weeks

in a hospital in Hawaii, in ICU. And, uh, that happened on January 12th and he didn't fly out of Hawaii until march 1st wow uh back to nashville where he lived and then he was in a rehab facility for like another month um just had a traumatic brain injury they don't exactly know what happened uh he just collapsed he was kind of like standing at the bar with his elbows on it ordering a drink and like passed out collapsed hit his head on the concrete and then was brain bleed and pressure and uh it was nuts so that that occurred and then that kind of started play that week did you play yeah so uh so that happened on friday night saturday morning i don't

know if you remember the news story when that false missile alert was sent yes yes so i was there so and at the time i mean this is this is where it could be a crazy long discussion i was just just really quick so people who don't know because i know because greg glassman's father-in-law was there and then i just had someone told me about it the other day that they were there everyone who was on the island i think of kawaii received a text but okay yeah received a text saying incoming fucking nuclear missile what a fucking weird thing to send everyone who's on the

Hawaiian islands and it came from some government like oh here we go Caleb's gonna pull it up on the morning of Saturday January 13 2018 a ballistic missile alert was accidentally issued via the emergency alert system and wireless emergency alert system

over television and radio so it's not a drill the message was sent at 8 0 7 a.m like fuck you and and so many people thought they were toast so many people thought they were toast i got right there yeah and it you know that uh you know the like amber alert on your iphone that goes yeah like some kid's been kidnapped. I had to turn it off because when an Amber Alert would come through, I had just like this like, it just freaks me out. Like I hear that noise and I relate it back to that morning. So that happens Friday night.

So Saturday morning, me and my brother, thankfully my brother happened to go with me. He just was like, hey, I've never been to Hawaii. I want to go hang out. So his wife would come with me. So if I had been there by myself it would just been i'd have just been overwhelmed uh so shane's with me and we're walking we literally take an uber we give does he caddy for you does he caddy for you ended up caddy for me on the weekend

i didn't know where to play like i was just in a state of shock right uh my friends potentially dying in the hospital and like i didn't know what what to do, but I couldn't help him. I mean, so we step out of the Uber and we get the alert and he looks at me and I look at him and I was like, do you get this? And then it's like a movie. Like we walk through the front doors of the hospital and every person you can see is like, did you get this? Is this real? Like what? Everybody's like looking at each other and scrambling. And then the whole place just turns into panic. Like we all, the whole hospital just ran to the basement. Like we didn't know what to do. We're like ran to the basement. I called my wife. He called his wife.

We're like, Hey, I don't know if this is just complete scam, but I'm saying goodbye. Like I love you to death. I may not be here in five minutes. Yeah. And so those two events within 12 hours each other at the time i was wrestling with some and this is kind of the a good thing to know just about professional athletes and kind of you you look at what people do performance wise and it's easy to judge them or question them or nitpick like i was dealing with severe anxiety off the golf course, like just in my life. I think stress from my career, having young kids, it's just kind of my natural bent and wiring. I'm just a very

uptight, anxious person, or I should say was thankfully. And two of my greatest fears were like a medical incident happening on the road or dying. And like those two things confronted me within 12 hours of each other, 5,000 miles from my family. And so all that to say, 2018 was like a crazy year of growth and personal change outside of golf that I think, and then golf just kind of deteriorated and I wouldn't change it for anything. And so, yes, I was very stressed when i lost my card but at the same time i'm so grateful that it happened the way it did because it really gave me a lot of gratitude and changed my perspective um and what do you mean there's that word gratitude what do you mean gave you gratitude it just um i found a lot of joy and identity and being a professional and being a

pga tour player and kind of walk around my chest puffed out and like, you know, I'm cool. I've made it. And when that gets stripped away, you, you kind of have to figure out what, what is going to make you go to sleep at night with peace. And, um, so just that you got something a little more real than that. That's right. Um, So just that you got something a little more real than that. That's right. And it was just, yeah, it was a huge season of my life of personal growth and change and deepening of my faith and my relationships. And I wouldn't change it. The last five years have sucked professionally.

I've had a lot of just sucky moments and frustration. And it's led to ultimately me turning and going a different direction but um wouldn't wouldn't change it for i said this year i've uh i had one or two rounds that were just like just terrible i had no clue where the ball was going i didn't have any like my preparation wasn't showing up at all it was like it was like i've been like a nightmare like a bad dream even kind of yeah it's like you're practicing your deadlift and you just can't even like get the bar off the ground you're just like right what am i doing and i left those rounds just so at peace and content like had fun with my caddy had a good conversation with guys in my group like

just enjoyed being outside and now listen there was a lot of days this year where I was just pissed off and breaking clubs and like in a bad place. But there were those moments compared to walking off the course and cashing a half million dollar paycheck and checking off like another success that I wouldn't trade for anything. Like I choose the ladder all day just because of the state of my life, heart and mind. And that just can't be taught through success. And so all that to say, that's kind of the practical application of you kind of learn through suffering. And when things are going well,

you kind of just take inventory and just express gratitude. And then you just kind of learn from those difficult times. Like gratitude from paper street coffee. Yeah. Get you some paper street. Thank you. Paper street coffee, Gabe. So then when you fall off,

do you cry? Is there, is there a moment of mourning? And does that mean that you're off for all of, so then for 2019, you know that like you're, you're, you're down with the corn fairy guys. Yeah. Um, I, I don't think there was ever that moment. It was kind of just like when you get into something that's difficult or hard, you just kind of, what's the next thing I can do? Like where, where do I go from here?'s my next oh here comes a tornado uh I just I just was like okay this is where I'm at I want to get back to here so what's my next

step and then just okay you know there was a good three to four months of kind of just being able to decompress spend time at home work on my game etc, et cetera. But it was definitely a transition and kind of humbling in the sense of like, man, I've been playing against the best players in the world, playing for a ton of money, and then now I'm back to, you know, just trying to grind my way back to that point. So it was different. And so that's basically from 2018 to 2000 till last week yeah you're you were trying to get back on in that that's

right circle yeah and i what are is there a word for that what are those guys those are just dudes who are on the tour that's yeah just basically having status on the tour just okay being able to compete in their events. Yeah. Yeah. And in 19... I played okay, continued to, I got to the final event, which is kind of what you're planning on doing. And what year? Say that again, because you broke up.

In what year? 2019. So it was my first year back on the Corn Fairy. And I missed getting back to the pgo tour by one shot the last term at the last round um so it was uh that was difficult i think i cried on that drive back i was proud of my effort and i was proud of my execution and i just looking back like i can't look back at that because it just that still kind of grinds at me that it was that close to being back. Um,

and then, you know, it's, you never know what could happen from there, but a very, very serious question. Sean M M asks, if you do CrossFit,

can you break the clubs easier? Yeah, for sure. It definitely increases your work capacity across the domain of snapping golf clubs. When, when, uh, do you remember the first time you met Scott stalling? work capacity across the domain of snapping golf clubs. When, when, uh, do you remember the first time you met Scott Stalling? Um, I don't remember the first time we met, but we started hanging out my rookie year.

Just my rookie year on the PGA tour was the same year. He kind of started his weight loss and fitness journey. Okay. Okay. So just kind of serendipitously cross paths there and then as he he's older than you right yeah he's uh he's probably four years older than me okay not much not much yeah and did you think did you ever poo-poo it were you ever like hey well i don't have to deal with that you You were a fat dude. You should have never gotten fat. Like that's where I would have gone.

Like, yeah, good job, fatty. No, it was more, it was, I, my introduction to fitness as a collegiate athlete was pretty intense and I got the bug pretty fast and just enjoyed the, back to the unpredictability and craziness of golf sort of, I think, drives my passion for fitness because it's way more measurable and linear. And you can see results and you can kind of just plug and play. And so I've always just enjoyed it from that aspect. I think it's been as much of a benefit as it's been to me with my body and my performance. It's also just mentally like to have an outlet to actually see progress is just I've loved that part of it.

And did he introduce you to CrossFit? Was he like, hey, dude, you should try this CrossFit shit? Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure he because he was at Tennessee Tech around the same time as Rich. And they weren't I don't believe they were buddies in school, but with that connection. And then Scott, they both live in Tennessee, obviously. I heard about Rich through Scott and then started following CrossFit as just kind of a fan of the sport and seeing what those guys were doing.

And then Stallings pretty immediately into his fitness journey, implemented the just kind of high intensity functional part of it to sort of a golf specific weight loss style training program. And so I was just intrigued by it and just started going. I remember the first, first week he's like, Hey, I'm going to this CrossFit gym on a Monday morning. We got the place to ourselves. You just come and follow me.

It was the first time I ever got on Salt Lake. Oh, so he's cool as shit. He's a generous dude. He's not like, I'm not sharing this with Blaine so that he can become his best. Fuck this guy. Okay, wow. That's awesome. Yeah, he's been.

Isn't that anti? Shouldn't he be more competitive than that? I think golfers are most competitive. What's funny is it's so hard and it's so individualized in terms of implementation that we share a lot of stuff. And then it's like, good luck figuring out how to do it. Like,

here you go. Here's all the info. You're not going to figure it out. So I'll still beat you. Um, but, uh, yeah,

Scott's like, he's kind of just been a, a mentor to me in a lot of ways there. And then, uh, uh, I mean, we, we text back and forth so many times, workouts we've done and um just things we're doing and so yeah that day you guys go when when you're when he says hey i got so it's a monday it's after the whatever tournament

you played is over and you guys are going to work out do any other golfers come with you or just the two of you no it's just the two of us and then it was a dude that was uh trying to compete you know like the regional level at the time or something um in crossfit uh was this yeah josh bridges a little short guy with the i wish but josh josh just got our good friends yeah yeah that's why i asked uh no i've never met josh um this was in it was in napa it was in california actually though It was in, it was a CrossFit gym in Napa. And yeah, and I just remember the, we did five rounds of 10 cal assault bike. And I want to say it was dumbbell thrusters, which for a warmup just makes no sense to me now. But I think we did five rounds of 10 cal assault bike and 10 thrusters.

And I had never done either and uh that was my intro so yeah that's brutal you're hurting how did you how did you get your blue check mark does everyone who goes on the pga tour do they just does is it like the ufc's like that they got a guy who's banging some chick at the ufc and she uh she just hooks everyone up yeah it's not That wasn't the reason from my experience. There's someone on the PGA Tour sleeping with someone there at Instagram.

They have a whole social media team and when you go through your rookie orientation, actually, that's a funny story. By the way, this has to be close to a record for least amount of followers you've ever let on your show, so thank you. It's not true for least amount of followers you've ever let on your show. So, you know, thank you. It's not true.

Caleb, look at Caleb. Caleb's on the show. He's got six followers. We're sitting in rookie orientation with, and it's me and a bunch of dudes who are now superstars. A bunch of guys who are now fans on the tour. And I'm sitting next to this guy. And at the time, we all have like 300 followers. And he's not paying

attention to anything in the whole meeting we're going through tour business how to conduct yourself how the tour operates the tournaments you know boring stuff and we get to the social part and the guy's like yeah everybody just send me an email here's the email and we'll get your accounts all verified bubble and he like shoots up he's like wait a minute so you're telling me you can verify and give me the blue check mark on all my accounts and the guy's like yeah he's like sick and he just like went back to his phone and started i'll never forget that i just thought it was funny um so yeah it's just because similar to you know it's just a public figure so if you're you play for any of those professional leagues i'm sure they do it well um it's interesting because someone it's there are someone like josh bridges who not only

is the founder of his of several companies but also probably one of the best crossfitters who's ever lived for some reason his count isn't verified he's tried fucking a million times it's so it's so weird yeah it's can you look caleb i don't think his is there if i yeah that's crazy and the only i mean for me the only reason why it mattered and i had my account taken away recently but for me the only reason it mattered is because if i dm someone you pop you go up to the top of their mailbox yeah i mean look at this this is fucking nuts that's nuts i will say i have so someone there doesn't like him something is flagged you know what i mean like yeah like is it because he served because he fought for our freedoms and instagrams against freedom like maybe i mean i seen it kind of joking but maybe maybe you know

yeah uh it is i have enjoyed it's been a nice benefit to when I've dropped in, because I drop into a local affiliate every week on the road when we're at a tournament. And just being able to shoot them a message and it look like, if I shoot them an email, there's no context to like who I am or like, oh, this stupid golf guy wants to come in here and work out. So it's been nice. I've made a lot of awesome connections around the country just being able to do that. They see the blue checkmark and they know you're not lying, that you actually are a – well. They can at least poke around. Yeah, I never checked it. Once I just took for granted the blue checkmark in our conversations in the DMs that you were a professional golfer.

Is he a professional golfer, Caleb? Can you check that? I didn't even fucking fact check. Former. Yeah. Yeah. So are those four years just – is part of you – I wonder if you would have quit if you would still be in the tour. What about you – sorry to do this to you. You're going to have to do this.

What if next year you decide you're going to come this to you you're gonna do this or what if what if next year you decide you're gonna come back uh we are you too old or no no not at all i've made it okay to myself and to morgan i so many guys say they're done and then get a year down the road they're like man i don't know what i'm gonna do with my life i'm just gonna play again like i can play golf and i just don't want to i don't know what I'm going to do with my life. I'm just going to play again. Like I can play golf. And I just don't want to, I don't want to waver in that way. Like we've made this decision for a bunch of reasons. We've thought through a lot and I want to be committed to that.

And I want to kind of be just a hundred percent in wherever I'm at. So I'm chasing some new ideas and I want to, I potentially want to be in the space in some capacity whether that's through being able to coach other guys via my experiences mostly my failures more than my successes but I think I have a lot of valuable experience and information that I can potentially pass along to other guys trying to do it so maybe somewhere in that realm. But I think why people do it is the carrot's so big. Like you can go from not having status on the Corn Fairy Tour, like one of my best friends, Phil Knowles.

And then yesterday he secured his PGA Tour card for 2023. So like in the course of a year, he's now playing on the PGA Tour and he's going to have a chance to be playing for millions of dollars every week. So he'll go from being concerned about being able to fill up his gas tank to not being worried about the price of gas overnight. He can buy all the avocados he wants. That's correct. And set his family up for it. Exactly. I tell you, your question's very relevant because I view those four years more than...

Because even looking back, I, I, I see so many ways I should not have made it. Like I should not have stayed on the tour for consecutive years due to mental issues or, uh, just ways that I practiced or physical deficiencies with my short name of sharpness. I truly view them as a,

uh, a gift. I'm thankful to God that I was there because if I wouldn't have had those, I probably would have had quit sooner because we wouldn't have had the sort of financial buffer to be able to wrestle for four or five years and just be like, I can keep chasing it. We can keep coming out in the red every year and it's okay. And if I wouldn't have had those four years of success monetarily and professionally, I wouldn't have been able to wrestle for four or five years and kind of be a different man now and so i view it in large part like sure i achieved a dream and it was awesome but um that was that set us up for 2018 to 22

to like come to this point will you stay in the business will you like invent a new golf club or or be a caddy or um no uh not outside of uh heidi just said did he say he wants to be in space in the golf space like all right right right out outside of potentially like performance coaching just consulting i guess would be the most blanket term like i would be interested in doing that because i do think i have information that can and experiences that can help guys get to there because i've done it and i've also failed and i kind of think i know why that is so I would be interested in kind of just getting a group of players that want to use me as a a resource to kind of get there but I don't I don't want to like do something specifically at all um do you do you um

do you love watching people swing a golf club or do you like love watching the ball fly through the air or do you enjoy the smell of the grass or the sound of the club passing through the air um i love is there all sorts of weird things like that that's like like your shoes you love your shoes and and and all these things are just like that when you look at the flag blowing you get all excited or like you see a nice just like a cup the way grass approaches a cup i mean just shit that the rest of us are just like oblivious to um yeah i i think so uh i'm a very visual person. So yes, I like, I like watching things move in space. I like thinking of the physics, why golf club moves a certain way and like it imparts force on the ball and the ball does a certain thing. Like you can actually change the flight of the ball just due to your mechanics. the ball it just dudes your mechanics um and i love the visual of like seeing a ball it's very like i said earlier there's an artistry to it just seeing the ball like work around one tree

and then around this bunker and then landing here like yeah i i do like that a lot um and that's probably something that yeah maybe other people don't see or think about unfortunately it was due to drug experiences but um i my whole life i never knew what the word focus meant uh-huh i never had no idea what that meant and it's something that i really want to make sure that my kids know what it means because i think that there's something magical there by magical i just mean i don't think that words have been put to the power of what focus really can achieve um and in the most simple way is I can just once I learned what focus was I could just wad up a piece of paper and throw it into a trash can and never miss and whenever I do miss I know it's because I my my focus was off, but it has

nothing to do with my skill of how I throw or anything. I just have to trust. I just have to, you know, if a trash cans within 20 feet of me, I can, and you know, it's not a hundred mile an hour winds. I can just look at the hole and I can make it a hundred out of a hundred times. And the one time I miss, I know it's because like something caught my eye over there and I don't know how it works. So there's some faith in the mechanics of trusting my eye and my hand and I just throw it and it goes. And I didn't know that that trick until I was in my 20s. I'm like, what the fuck?

How does every human being not know this magic? Yeah, I've heard it. You know what I'm referencing? And I'm not I'm a fucking doofus. I'm not a professional uh anything no i i've heard it explained well as you don't want a cluttered mind you don't want to be thinking about mechanics how far that thing is how i'm going to do it and then you don't need an absent mind like you have to have some level of objective between i'm going to take this piece of paper and i'm going to throw it in that you want a quiet mind you want to find this like intermediate flow state as you probably heard that term used oh yeah i've practiced my mechanics i trust my feel now i'm just going to act and so

the grape in your mouth is exactly the same too once i realized i don't have to do shit open my mouth and follow the grape with my eyes and my and my body will do everything else yeah yeah i don't have to do shit yeah i just have to stare at the grape and my body will not let it hit the ground one of the crazy one of the toughest things for me with my tight anus is not letting mechanics overwhelm my thought process in a pressure situation like i understand mechanics extremely well i know my tendencies i know what's going to happen if the club does this but in a moment of pressure of a tournament having to execute a shot i can't be thinking about this stuff i need this here's me and my body here's the target here's the win execute and finding that like quiet space in the middle between no thought and too much thought is

it's a challenge every single time and that's why the mental side of sports is so difficult and i've honestly it's transferred into i've been doing more olympic weightlifting and like if i just if i start thinking about the mechanics of a squat clean it gets clunky and weird and like if i just go into it and do it there's there's this like weird balance between yes mechanics need to be right for safety and speed but like i can't think about it while i'm doing it and so i'm it transfers from like any endeavor um and you're just trying to find that focus is just that space in between thinking too much and not thinking enough give me an example like uh could you be up there at at the pro level and your brain start

being like hey you're squeezing the club too hard like just shit like that even gets starts like oh yeah we'll start turning on for sure and that's no and that's no good right i can be you can you can just be in a state of like just it's just gonna happen like i see the ball i see where it's going and i'm just gonna do it and it just happens every time and then you can even i've gotten you almost get too comfortable then you get to the next shot you're like oh this is the easiest shot ever like i got all the screen over there i got this club it's a perfect number and then i'll hit a bad shot because i'm almost like too confident in my ability to pull the shot off and i almost lose the focus so it can it teeters back and forth it's just an s curve and you're just trying to like minimize the amount of wiggle as much as you can like your confidence goes almost to celebratory

and if it crosses into that yeah then then it goes to the like absent-mindedness it's like oh well i didn't think about the fact that the wind is this way or yeah you can just that idea of focus is extremely important in anything but in golf it's just you're i've also heard it described as this like funnel of focus where when i'm walking into a shot my mind's going to think a lot of stuff there's water don't hit it over there don't hit those people you're nervous blah blah blah and then as you get closer and closer to your controllables your routine and the just the mechanics of the physics of what you're doing this is 135 yards that's this club i'm going to aim at this target the focus just gets tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter and then when you get to execution it doesn't matter what kind of happened out here

you just let that flow through and by the time you get down to the shot itself you've just funneled that focus down to the basics and i think it's not so much that the high level stuff doesn't happen to athletes or professionals or anybody where the things that are happening in your brain are very vital to your performance. It's not that those bad thoughts don't happen. It's just that you learn how to let them just kind of water off your back and you just get down to that tightness of execution. Do you have a protocol that's like pretty crazy at different places? Well, for, for any shots, but like pull your pants up with your right hand, turn your right foot, twist your right foot into the grass. Like, is there a kind of like a Zen tea party? You know what I mean?

This is the protocol at to narrow it down. Yes. Like your eyebrow. I mean, I don't know. No. Yeah. That, that all just comes in like the practice and preparation. So if I'm a normal week at home, I would spend, you know, 30 to 40 hours a week between practice and preparation and just the time of a normal job, like four to five hours a day, five or six days, just the boring.

In those, you're kind of doing those things and streamlining them to where it just happens when you get on the first tee box. And so for me, it's the same amount of steps from when I'm standing behind the ball, looking until getting into the ball. It's the same amount of steps from when I'm standing behind the ball looking until getting into the ball. It's the same amount of practice strokes on my putter. It's the same look to the hole every time before I come back down and I make the stroke. But those things just that becomes muscle memory pretty fast if you dial in what you want to do with it.

And so that's that's why we have to practice. So those things just become instinctive. When you're out there, have you ever been out there when the fans are just so crazy, people are getting booted out? Like, I always think of golf is like such a calm sport, but then I, then I figure, oh, within that calmness, there must be some crazy motherfuckers. Like they drink too much or something. Caleb, there may be a video further down from like 2016 or 17 from the um waste management phoenix open which is

just it's a big booze party for four days in phoenix oh is that when they basically build the all the yeah i've seen that i've been in phoenix when they build that thing it's nuts it is crazy i played that tournament three times and it is, I love it, but it is overwhelming. I mean, it is, it's a crazy experience. Um, and yeah, it gets loud. Does, so is that the exception to the tour? Does the tour, is the PGA kind of proud of that? Okay. This is our kind of our, everything else is this, and then this is our Mardi Gras. Yeah. And yeah and i mean they're they're trying to and also kind of organically trying to appeal to more of the sports fan that wants to come out have some beers have fun root yells whatever which is needed you know golf is kind of that has that perception of

just kind of like stuffy and uh not super fun and exciting and so there's more of that week to week on the pj tour but that one just has always been that way and it's kind of just a novelty and uh it's fun i mean it's it gets rowdy it's kind of like when you go to tennis and i know some of the purists don't like it but i've started watching old tennis and i like it like uh when uh when they fight when the the players start fighting with the fans like there's a pretty famous one this year where one of the big players started yelling at ben stiller like he's like did you see that yeah he's like hey i don't tell you how to act you know so shut up. I'm like, damn, you know, just like. Yeah, so it's trying to be a little bit more of that golf,

but it could use some more because it is, it makes it, I mean, as players, the players enjoy it. It just, it has to be, it's got to be appropriate because it does have to be a level of, like at that tournament one year, I had a guy yell on my backswing on the 18th hole when I hit it in the water. Like as I got to the top of my swing, he yelled yelled something i like flinched and hit a bad shot so that's not appropriate in that setting but um do you yell back at him do you call him an asshole or no and i mean there's so many people standing around that you can't sometimes you can't know who it was but um yeah uh is golf the one where if you hit a hole in one everyone throws their beer onto the yeah that happened that happened last year got out of hand uh it was

nuts but that hole specifically um if there's there's a youtube video probably sam rider r y b e r it's probably i don't know if you can play a youtube clip but anyways it's it's an it's you should people should look it up it's crazy beers all over the green and then that stops the tournament yeah i mean it halted it for probably 10 or 12 minutes because they had to clean up a lot of cans and cups yeah that's crazy god you must be so bummed if that happens and you in well i guess you see everyone because i five with five was there and there was a hole Yeah, that's crazy. God, you must be so bummed if that happens. And you in. Well, I guess you see it because I five with five was there and there was a hole in one. I'd want to be one of the dudes throwing my beer out onto the. Yeah, it was it was the problem was the next day guys would like make a pot or chip in and then they try to throw the beer and people.

The hole in one was unique and special. We can't we can't just throw all of our stuff anytime something happens fun does does everyone have a hole-in-one in their repertoire like do you have a whole like have some time in your career have you ever hit a hole-in-one i have uh eight of them wow yeah uh here you go see we're gonna get in trouble seven seconds caleb seven seconds oh so there's beers coming from like they'll show a picture of the green at some point it is crazy oh i've never even seen it uh i've never even seen a uh i didn't know they played golf like that the stands are built around the hole oh yeah they just it's completely enclosed i mean it's uh it's turned into just a full stadium. I think they get-

What hole number is that? 50 or 60,000 people in there. No, no, no. 20 or 30. It's number 16. So it's kind of coming down the stretch toward the end. Wow. And so the second the dudes pass through there, does everyone just leave those seats?

At the end of the day. So when they open the gates at like 5 a.m there's like a mass rush of 2 000 people sprinting out there because there's like a limited number of public seats and then there's like uh oh so people will stand at the 16th hole all day oh my goodness so uh if there you go oh my goodness wow wow yeah so the like if you're looking at the green the back right section is public seating so people turn over in there they'll sit and drink for a while and leave and then people come in and the line will be a thousand people deep wrapped around the outside waiting just standing there waiting to get in at some point um and then once the final

group finishes then people will filter out and go watch them play the last two holes but yeah it's just sun up to sundown it's wild in there does your wife play golf she doesn't she could care less yeah yeah that's interesting is that a good thing it is she's she's always been a great uh balance just she cares in the sense that obviously she wants what's best for me. And she is a part of the journey, but like she, she doesn't care if I, you know, shoot 80 or 60, she's supportive. And, um, it's just kind of oblivious, which has been, it's a good escape because a lot

of, you know, there are wives that aren't like that. I mean, you got married at 22. I did. I did. And why did you get married? We started dating our junior year. In high school or college? In college, sorry. We had mutual friends and, um, we, we started dating and we, we, we wanted to get married cause we just

wanted to, we knew that we had that discussion pretty early on in our dating relationship. Like we want to do this together and be a team and, um, start our lives together. And so we finished school. And then I proposed shortly after graduation, like a month after graduation. And then we were like, she was like, man, I can plan a wedding in four to six months. And she had moved home with her parents and didn't really know if she was going to start a career or not. And I kind of started my professional career around that time. And there's just a lot lot of unknowns and we were kind of ready to just jump into the mix and uh do it together and so um we did you think that's what you were supposed to do yeah uh and what's it yeah I mean it felt uh I don't know sorry not like that not not like in your heart um but like so so i don't know

the way i was brought up is i don't know if it was societally or my parents i don't know where it comes from but there was this perception of everyone's life should have the same story you go to school you um take your sats you go college, you meet a girl, you get married, you get her pregnant, you buy a house, you die. Were you kind of in at 22? I think I was still in that. Like there's these milestones that you're supposed to. No, I mean, it wasn't like, no, for us, I think it was, um, it, there's a, uh, importance to, and a beauty to marriage. Like I've heard you talk about it, just kind of the, that thing that you can't quite

put your finger on that was different. Um, yeah, but I stumbled into it. Like I did not want to get married, but I, but I, I mean, I mean, at some point I thought want to get married yeah but i but i i mean i mean at some point i thought i would get married just because it was what i was supposed to do but then at some point i don't know i smoked enough dope to where i was like yes i'm not doing that yeah i mean so just very pragmatically i found a woman i wanted to spend the rest of my life with yeah how did you know that part we just 22 you just know yeah we just uh i, you just know. Yeah, we just, uh, I think you can,

or maybe it's, you just don't know. I mean, it's, it's, it's a commitment just as much as it is anything. It's not like this crazy commitment. Yeah.

And it, but it's not this lovey dovey, like, like you're going to, your personalities are going to change. You're going to, you're going to bring out the worst in each other. Your bodies are going to change. You're going to bring out the worst in each other. Your bodies are going to change. You're going to, you're going to get old. You're going to get

tired of being around one another at times. You're going to frustrate one another. And so it boils down to like, this girl is attractive. I like being with her. Uh, she's, she's grounded in all the right values and dispositions. You even knew that at 22? You knew what values were at 22? Okay. Yeah. And also, like, to get – just to make it deep, and I don't know if you wanted it to go here, but, like, there's also this level of like i'm i'm staking my entire existence on the bible being true like wherever you know everybody's standing on that right so

i that's that's where my uh value judgments truth uh belief system resides in and like a step in life is you're gonna leave your mom and your dad and you're going to be a man and if you want to marry someone you're going to go to her dad and ask the same thing and then you're going to start your life together and i i wanted to take that step towards manhood and uh being able to start a family one day we weren't in a crazy rush to do that but um that was kind of just the next step in my progression as a as a man so it is a trip right um so i mean you you you married her like when she was coming out of young ladyhood or or or you know maybe she's even a late bloomer but she's basically turning from a

girl into a young lady and then she turned you right before your eyes she turned into a mom to a young lady and then she turned you right before your eyes she turned into a mom yeah it was kind of like the highest level of like woman you could be right she never seemed like ninja woman when we started dating and even like close engaged she didn't want to have kids she was scared to death she's like i'm gonna be a terrible mom i don't want to have i think that's healthy ever you should yeah you should be scared to death and she she's also an only child and so oh interesting she doesn't have that experience of kind of just the craziness of siblings and right fighting and bickering and um and and then for me to be gone so much and for her to be at home seven months pregnant with three kids she's just a superwoman she's amazing um and so it's pretty easy for me to say no to golf, like seeing what she has done to support me the past

four years and to come in and she's so excited and relieved and the kids are excited. I don't have to leave anymore. And it's, uh, we're, we're in a good spot. So, so, so you get married and um how long before you have your first kid um three three and a half years three years three years basically and you said something so 25 so you said something you staked your you staked your whole life that the Bible is true. Yeah. How did you get to that point? Was there like at 18 years old, you're sitting there? No.

I'd say that, so I grew up in a Christian family. Both my parents are- You mean you go to church every Sunday? Go to church every Sunday and hold to the belief that we're sinners in need of a Savior. That Savior's Jesus.

And if you trust in His righteousness to be yours, that this issue that we have, like the brokenness that we see all around me is kind of traceable to a singular issue. And that's like our hearts. Like we're all a bunch of messed up pricks and uh so grew up in that

methodology worldview right and then in high school college it kind of comes down to like do i actually believe this like i got all these other alternative potential options. I, it sounds right, but like, there's other religions, and there's other philosophies to adhere to. And like, there's things I want to do that maybe that does, the Bible says I can't do, and that doesn't make sense. Like, what if I want to do this? and um so i think a lot of times people may have the perception of a a christian that believes in the bible is kind of just like well you're just you're not like intellectually astute or you haven't thought through the potential other opportunities or possibilities and like you're just kind of like blindly following this whimsical faith that makes your life cool. And for me, it's been much more like I think that there are some serious intellectual claims and arguments that are made in the text of the Bible that can stand up to really any philosophy or argument.

And it's and it makes claims that are specific and unique and not and are exclusionary like it is jesus says clearly i am the way the truth and the life nobody comes to the father except through me he claims to be god he says like all these things that that don't make it like here you can choose the bible or you can choose this or you can choose that it's like it's it's saying in and of itself based off its own um revelation that like the other stuff's not true like this is where conversations and reading and podcasts and just experience, my next thing was my experience in the world is, man, I got nowhere else to turn. I jokingly but truthfully say I've based my existence after life on this earth in a homeless middle Eastern single dude who claimed to be God. Um, and, and I'm, I am firmly on that rock. And, uh,

and so that shapes, that shapes my perception of and view of the world. And, uh, and, and I, and I, and that doesn't make me like some narrow minded singularly focused. Like I want to engage difficult conversations and I want to engage what, what life is about. And I think that, uh, it's not like you believe it. And then you just go to church on Sunday and you just sit in your house and kind of just chill. Like you get out in the world and you get after it. And so, yeah, I'm very passionate about that. And your wife is also. She is as well.

Yeah. We kind of come from different faith backgrounds just in terms of how that different denominations within the Christian faith. so we like that was a fun part of our dating was just kind of like wait you guys do what what you guys do what and like just kind of coming together cohesively as like we were we saw this and we're taught this growing up but then in college you know 18 to 22 is such a crazy time of just like personal change and the way you think and see the world. And so kind of, we almost grew up together in our dating relationship. And then when we graduated and kind of had an idea of where we were going next, we were like, Hey, let's just do it together.

So did you ever take, did you ever, did you ever take medication for your anxiety? Did you ever take medication for your anxiety? Shortly after the incident and Corey and the missile thing in Hawaii, it was the first time I always just felt like that was going to be the remainder of my life. I was just going to have panic attacks randomly, and I was just going to suffer the rest of my life. I saw no light at the end of the tunnel. And then we were having a conversation with some close friends about two weeks later at the Phoenix Open. Actually, we were renting a house together for that tournament. And they were saying like they struggle with the same things.

And she's like, the wife was like, yeah, I go to counseling occasionally. And my doctor prescribes medication. And I just remember like feeling like a thousand pound weight was lifted off. I was like, wait a minute. Like, I'm not the only weirdo that struggles with this stuff. And so shortly thereafter, I started doing some counseling and then started taking some Medicaid Zoloft or something that just kind of helps regulate the serotonin in your

brain. Are you still taking it? Yeah. Every day. And it totally changed my life. Interesting. Yeah. And,

and there's, I'm very much like, you know, careful about what I put in my body and the effects of it and whatnot. And I've had follow up conversations since. And there's literally, yes, there's literally zero side effects that they really know of, or that i've experienced based off that information and then um it literally just creates more serotonin in your brain and so um or i guess inhibits i don't know whatever it does i'm not a doctor uh but you can just take it i mean there's they were like i mean listen you come off of it but like there's no there's literally no downside to just putting

more of that chemical in your brain that for whatever reason, blame barbra's brain doesn't produce enough of. And so, yeah. Is a panic attack. I'm trying to see if one or five ever had a panic attack. Panic attack is when you feel like whatever situation you're in, you need to get out of it. Like,

so like you're like, I'm about to give a presentation somewhere or like even before podcasts start, like I do not want to sit down yeah fuck i do not it's a little mini panic attack but i've had really big ones to where i actually see myself in my mind's eye running out of the room and going to my car and driving away and i'm like what the fuck is going on here my heart beats reading and it's like kind of like i'm having an out-of-body experience i think they manifest themselves differently for everyone.

The way I describe it as my brain doesn't have a governor between I have a headache and I have a brain tumor and I'm going to die. Like, it's stupid. Oh, your imagination just, wow, okay. So you could see like a little blemish on your face and Google skin cancer and fucking an hour later, you're freaking out. You're freaking yourself out. Anything health related. I'm gonna lose my job. Like my family's gonna be homeless.

I, you know, that's that, that wasn't necessarily a struggle for me, but that would be an example. Yeah. I've been there. I've been there but there's just i've been there so i think this far along in my journey it just i have more tools available at my disposal whether that's the medication i take the conversations i'm in with my uh counselor fitness uh truth that I know are true. Like I just have more resources to like pump the brakes when my brain starts going crazy.

Amy, I didn't like the idea of medication. Neither do I, but sir, sir Trillene probably saved my life after I had my first child from terrible postpartum depression, anxiety to feeling like myself again in a month. And what's so funny is when i started taking it i was so wound up in a ball that like i was actively thinking of ways like it wasn't going to work i was like you know i took it for two weeks and then i'm like oh i'm still having these same thoughts and then like at some point it just like shut off and it's just like it's like magic i don't know so how did training how does training

affect it uh to me like like crossfit training i think just the uh and this is where i'm speaking away about my pay grade but just the the the dopamine response and the the things that just naturally occur within the human body when you put it through stressful situations intentionally and you do difficult things. And I'm, I look at a task and like, I can't complete that. And then I finish it and I'm laying on the ground. And there's just something to that action with our body.

That's just good for us in our brain. And most of my issues are in my head. They're not like actual issues. And so I think just, most of my issues are in my head. They're not like actual issues. And so I think just, it's been such a gift to me to, life gets stressful and golf is so cerebral and it's so like slow and methodical that fitness has just been, CrossFit has been such an outlet to just do something hard and fast and

difficult and like feel good at the end of it. Has your prescription changed since 2018? No, I think it's still, it's like 25 milligrams or maybe 50. It's a really small dosage, but it's just stayed the same. It's like the smallest it could be, I think, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And that's not considered performance enhancing?

No. And like when I started taking it, I looked, um, which it should be cause it's enhanced. Well, I've sucked since I started taking it, but, uh, the clarity of mind, uh, it's, it's on the list of approves, um, over the counter medications you can take. So it's not over the counter, is it? Oh, well, no, I guess it's prescription. It's, it's on our list of like prescribed medications that you can take because we have, I think, uh, PJ tour drug testing protocols are WADA, um, because it's an Olympic sport now. And so I looked into it before I took it when I was on the tour then. Um, but it was, it was allowed. So I'm trying to remember what book it was that I read, but it was a book talking about,

maybe it was a Malcolm Gladwell book. Maybe it was old or maybe it was something more recent. But basically they were talking about, and I don't know if it was Adderall. I've never taken that, but- That is not, that one is not approved. It's not approved. Yeah, I think that one might be like just basically meth.

Yeah. It's like a Coke or something of some kind. Yeah. Yeah. And they were just talking about how like people would go to, like someone would apply to go, uh, be like a violinist at a, uh, you know, for the New York Philharmonic and they would be on that shit and that shit was legal. And yet pro athletes couldn't do this or this and it was an interesting comparison of just like what is cheating yeah yeah because you could you could make an argument tons of guys dip or chew or smoke cigarettes when they play oh nicotine's so powerful i would think nicotine would be the for if you're a baseball

player or golf or nicotine would be fucking godsend. I've heard so many arguments. No shit. Sorry, sorry. One second. Sorry, one second. Wait, let me see that again, Caleb. Is Adderall an amphetamine? That's fucking nuts.

Hey, if you're giving your kid this shit, you're out of your fucking mind. Every single person I know who did methamphetamines for a prolonged period of time a hundred percent of them you ended up fucked up even those of you who think you came back you didn't you didn't you're you're fucked up yes and the dudes who take it the dude all the dudes who became addicted to amphetamines that i know ended up uh um putting dick in their mouth for drugs i swear to god i i wish i could be less cr that i know ended up uh um putting dick in their mouth for drugs i swear to god i i wish i could be less crass i know you're a man of god but all a hundred a hundred percent of those dudes i went to college with ended up sucking dick for some sort of

methamphetamine you do not give your kids that shit do not don't take it fuck okay sorry back to nicotine you're good but so i think like yeah nicotine's crazy powerful shit if it changes your state of mind and body in a way that allows you to perform better that you wouldn't be able to otherwise it's performance enhancing and but yeah it makes it so basically you can just do remember what you were saying about just like bringing like as you approach your swing nicotine just brings the whole i mean when i used to draw the whole i could draw in a fucking the most chaotic airport in the world just on my hands and knees on a piece of paper if i had a fucking cigarette yeah i'm breathing i'm taking nicotine and the whole world goes away me and my

pencil yeah that huge on the pga tour huns chewing chewing huge i wouldn't say huge but yeah i mean there's a decent handful of guys to do i think what's the etiquette what can you do they swallow or do they spit no they spit i mean you there's plenty of spaces to duck out in trees or you know whatever um so because uh the the hardcore dudes i know are swallowers that i fucking never that that shit i've never i've never dipped because i'm way too soft but uh i yeah i if i i've considered it and i feel like i just puke my brains out and pass out you you the first few times you do but you just worked the first time i smoked a cigarette i fucking vomited i'm like i'll just push through and then you go next thing you know you're addicted yeah it's it's a fascinating um nicotine is such a fascinating drug i would think that that one would be illegal um in sports because it clearly does bring the whole world yeah it actually does i think the word is called

there's there's some distinction between range and fitness i mean and focus range and focus and i think range is when like if there's a million sounds you can just like pick get to one and that nicotine is supposedly the only drug known to man that allows you to narrow your range i wish i could be more articulate on it interesting don't do it it's bad for you yeah but but but but going back to focus pitching is is a perfect example i guess i need to interview a professional uh pitcher but it almost seems like you have all the tools now it's just look where you want the ball to go yeah do the mechanics of the release and and and that's it it's just pitching must be fucking intense right it is but i mean think think about the act of

pitching is is such an amazing skill and art but like think about throwing a baseball if if one of your kids that want to play catch like you don't think through it um you just you just grab the ball and you look at the person on it and throw it right and so yeah yeah the simplicity of that can just kind of be expanded out to other another example is when you want to um uh hit someone with something that you want to throw at them and you miss, and you know, you missed because you didn't really want to hit them. You know, you missed because you,

and it works the same way. Do you know that effect I'm talking about? Yeah. Yes. But I, you know, like, like you have a friend somewhere and you have an orange in your hand and you

throw it at him, like with his back to you and you really didn't want to hit him. So it misses like you only, you only, um, uh, wanted to hit him so it misses like you only you only um uh wanted to hit him like uh 49 percent or you do you know what i mean like it works the same way i uh go on sorry you did i was a uh i pitched in little league and i was terrible and i would throw not because i didn't want to hit them, but I was so bad that I would throw one pitch a game behind the batter,

trying to throw it to the catcher. But I'd release it too early, and it'd end up going way behind the batter and hit the fence. Just looked like an idiot. Sorry, I have to stretch my legs for a minute. I'm losing my shit. Hey, are you at home, home are you on vacation or something no i'm uh in um i'm in uh um uh newport beach it's about 300 miles south of um i i'm just tripping because here i did this i take

this like this is my fucking craft and i was just imagining someone like coming and fucking trying to hug you while you were swinging the golf ball i was about to is my fucking craft. And I was just imagining someone like coming in and fucking trying to hug you while you were swinging the golf ball. I was about to lose my fucking shit. Like, listen, motherfucker. Like I'm on a fucking podcast. It's great. It's authentic.

Yeah. I don't know about that. I gotta, gotta chill. I gotta chill. I just got a little fucking wound up. Fuck. Deep breaths. What, what are you, do you know what you are gonna do uh switching professions is fucking hard i lost my job a couple years ago i wanted to just like

hide for i just wanted to hide in a hole specifically yet but i have some uh i have some good ideas and uh i i want to i would love for it to be in the fitness space in some capacity, just because that's turned into a passion of mine. And I think it's valuable for people and people need it. And so next steps are just, I've wanted to take my L1 for a while and in part, just because of you guys discussing it all the time and kind of your feedback on it.

And there just happened to be one next week in Birmingham, which is two hours for me. So I'm going to go do my L1 and get my certificate next week and or this weekend, actually. And I would love to potentially open an affiliate in some capacity, but I have kind of a bigger vision for it than just simply a crossfit gym i want it i i really believe based off my experience and just the research and the looking into it that i've done that there's such a broad application of it to sports in general i've seen the benefit of it for me in golf and I think it even applies more so in like high intensity sports where there's contact involved and there's other factors and so I think that the basis and the methodology of CrossFit really extends out from that and so there's three affiliates in this town you know we're not a huge population probably a hundred thousand people um and i don't want to you know come in and try to take market share from that or something but i i'm just trying

to figure out how what it could look like and how you know kind of a high performance training center could look um for for for the 65 year old who needs to be in better health, but also for a 15 year old athlete who wants to start the process of, uh, conditioning their body to be ready for, uh, you know, tons of physical contingencies. So, um, I don't know, I'm just exploring options and I kind of have a little bit of a runway, which is, which is good. So I'm not in a rush, but also trying to weigh through that as quickly as is good. So I'm not in a rush, but also trying to, to wade through that as quickly as I can. So what did, what did you notice? How did CrossFit help your golf game? Just, uh,

mostly the mental side, honestly, just the, um, I think it's, it's important to one of the clearest applications of it in my mind is just controlled suffering in a environment where it's uh regulated and you can measure it and then you can uh be be safe with it versus if you don't do anything you're going to suffer one way or another just not on your own volition um and so that part of it and then uh we walked like 70 to 90 miles a week probably during a tournament um there's my first muscle up very oh that's awesome very sketchy um got much better you're lucky you didn't hit your head on the ceiling well i knew it's i only have nine feet in my garage. So I just kind of did the like head duck muscle up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The level one staff probably wouldn't appreciate that if I did that. It's pretty good. It's pretty good for your first one. Yeah. So I, we walk so much and we play in so much heat during the summer that I used to always fluctuate weight like a ton. I mean, I'd be start the summer in the upper 160s and by the time we're done with the summer I'm down to 160 and

your energy wanes and there's just like so much fluctuation I couldn't ever find a training program that would allow me to put on weight and muscle and then sustain it and for like the last two years I've done that I've just been very consistent at the same weight, kept my training volume consistent. And so for me, like I said, I don't have, I wish I had more of a definitive, like I started doing CrossFit and here's the results I got. Right. I didn't get them as much from the performance of my score, but just my overall health and wellbeing personally. and then the way that my body felt um i think i did see that benefit and so um yeah it just allowed more consistency and every gym i walk into every week all over i've been to so many affiliates it's been fun uh gotten

to know a lot of great people and owners around the country and there was always the first like you're gonna wait you're doing this and you're gonna go play golf what are the country and there was always the first like you're gonna wait you're doing this and you're gonna go play golf what are you doing and i was like well you know you just if i if there's something that i didn't need to be doing i just talked to the coach of the day and just tell him like hey i'm gonna modify this or scale this and um uh everybody was good with it so yeah i think does everyone on the tour walk does anyone ride in those cars? No, you're required to walk. Okay. So it's not only the, I mean, not that I'm not poo-pooing 70 to 90 miles,

but it's just the sheer number of hours you're on your feet fighting gravity too. It's a shitload of time. And do you sit down? When you're not swinging, do you sit down? Occasionally. I mean, if there's no weight on a whole, no. But if you're like waiting on a hole no but if you're like waiting on a group in front of you you know you might find a bench or something but for the

most part you're just standing up the whole time you're on your feet yeah wow oh and sorry for so many dumb questions but are all are holes supposed to be in the sun or in the shade or just varies there's no like just okay there's golf courses where um there's no uh link style golf courses don't have um sorry uh there we go link style courses don't have trees they're more like sand dunes and the wind can affect it more so there's no trees there's no shade and then more like a parkland course would be more inland and like trees. And so you can find more shade, but it just varies. The, the, I mean, you're going to have an amazing time at your L1. The gym business is so, is, can be so hard.

Yeah. Yeah. The, the gym business can be so hard. Are there, are there any successful, like, is there a place like, you know, there's this place in Florida like where tennis players go. Yeah. IMG. IMG. Yeah. Does golf have one of those? Like, Hey, like these people came out of there. No, there's kind of camps. It used to be IMG actually.

They had a huge junior golf academy. They don't they don't anymore i feel they probably do but i feel like it's falling off but like when i was in high school like all the elite players were coming out of img and okay okay um but it's still tennis huge uh it's spread out all over the country there's kind of hubs where golfers live because of either travel or weather or taxes um and so there are like collections of groups of that around um but i mean it any endeavor is hard uh i think you you do the best you can to gather data and talk to people who've done it and sort of investigate whether it's something you're willing to step into. And then if you can offer a competitive advantage and you can provide people with a service that adds value to whatever they're trying to accomplish, like, I mean, you know, so

I'm just in the phase of asking questions, calling some of the affiliate owners that I've met throughout the country that I have a lot of respect for. I think they do it well because I've been, I've had a fortunate position of seeing like good ones, bad ones, good coaching, bad coaching, uh, access to the gym, class time. Like I've just got a lot of data gathered with like what I think people are looking for when they step in there and um so yeah just investigating you know how you're not supposed to ask like a woman if she's pregnant like yeah fuck up and she could just be just like fat yes that's kind of the worst but so any you're just going down from there if you're asking something else yeah so so the other day i had this dude on a danny beeler and he he was a guy he had he was like he was a 455 pound dude who lost 150 pounds

so he he rolls around i didn't listen yet but okay so he rolls around like at 300 right now right i just lost 150 which is crazy and he went into a gym and the coach asked him god what and you know he's been crossfitting for a year i mean he's a fucking legit crossfitter and i can't remember what the coach asked him but the coach asked him something fucking inappropriate like like hey there's there you got to be a little more tactful if you're running a fucking gym the front desk i forget what he said oh oh he walked in there and he goes um um he said hey have you been crossfitting? And I think Danny said, yeah, I'm a crossfitter. And he goes, well, I think you need to start with our intro course. And he was just visiting from out of town and wanted to jump in. I mean, this is a dude, this dude did a one mile ruck with

150 pound ruck on his back. You know what I mean? This is a guy who's done Murph three times in his life. I mean, if you've done Murph three times and he's only been crossfitting for a year, if you've done Murph three times in a year, yeah. Fucking legit. Yeah. So yeah,

it's interesting to you. It's, it's so hard for me to accept that there's bad gyms out there, but, but I've been, but I've probably been to 150 affiliates, probably maybe 350. I don't know, but I've been to some bad ones too to 150 affiliates probably maybe 350 i don't know but i've been to some bad ones too and it's always shocking to me and by bad i mean they just don't

give enough attention they lack social uh situational awareness it's not like they're assholes but they're just they're just not doing their job that's right i mean listen crossfit is you need good coaching you need eyes on you you need to be properly shown what you're trying to achieve. And when I say bad, it's mostly like, here's the workout. Good luck, everybody. Have a good day. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not like they're smoking cigarettes and they're next to you.

You just expect more. We expect so much from the people in this community but i guess i mean you and i could just go outside right now and stand on a street corner and we'll see the dumbest motherfuckers ever like we'll see people crossing the street looking at their phone yeah it's like do you or are women pushing two babies in a stroll or crossing a busy street while texting i'm like dude like do you do you what the fuck are you doing? I definitely want to own my own business and be my own boss simply because I think the floor of being a successful person

in whatever endeavor you're going to pursue to achieve is like making eye contact, remembering people's names, shaking hands firmly, uh, providing service that they're asking you to provide, like treating people with respect. I think if you, if you nail those little things, like the, the grueling, annoying, stupid stuff of like, you know, figuring out who you're going to hire to clean the floor or whatever, like that kind of stuff can be sorted through, but like, just be a person of integrity that, uh, cares for people. I just want to be in some, some work or industry where it's a people centric, um, endeavor. And I just think that, uh, offering people health and fitness is,

is a way to do that. Jason, I think Jason Ackerman has a podcast. It's called The Best Hour of Your Day. I'm pretty sure that that was like originally a Greg Glassman line. Like people come into your gym. That should be the best hour of their day. Yeah. It's awesome.

Shout out to one of the guys in the comments here, Drake Lewis. He was my coach in Salt Lake and Drake's awesome. He's a, he competed at Atlas game this year. He was, I was watching him do some lifts. He's a, he's a strong dude. Cool guy. So he's not an ass coach. He was fan. He was one of the best ones I've had.

He was very helpful. I asked him to look at my snatch form. It's, it was so bad and uh he gave me some good tips and i've actually improved since then so thanks drake uh blaine i appreciate you coming on um i know it's a crazy time for you to come on it's interesting i mean it sounds like any time would have been crazy because you live a pretty full life but um it's impressive impressive that you have the three kids. Impressive that you've done so much at only 32 years old. You got another one on the way already. I have a feeling if not already,

your life's going to be similar to mine. You're going to view your relationship with your wife as your crowning achievement. I view it as mine. You're just a cool dude, man. Thanks for coming on. You too, man. I appreciate it.

Seriously, thanks. I'll keep listening. You too, man. I appreciate it. Seriously. Thanks. I'll keep listening. I'm a fan. Awesome. All right. And stay in touch. You got my number if you're ever in California or anytime you want to get the families together. If I'm ever in Alabama, I'll bug you, brother. Please do. Got a spot here. All right. Ciao. All right. Thanks. See ya.

Mr. Be ya. Mr. Beaver, Mr. Beaver, that sign that you have, that's like to the, over your shoulder. I know you guys can't see Kayla,

but I can see him. Yeah. Yeah. That thing. I thought at one point I didn't notice that the whole show. And I thought at one point you were holding that up to cue me to say that. I'm like, why does he want me to say that?

I seriously thought that. Is that new? That sign on the wall yeah tis now live a great story god with your job it should just say stay alive that's what i tell everyone all the patients just stay tomorrow we have Brian Friend on we're doing top 100 best male crossfitters competing today maybe it's even top 125 I'm really stoked about it

JR Howell his what his events called the crucible that event unfortunately I'm embarrassed to say that the the the qualifier for that already happened and it looks like that event is going to be getting off here soon so hopefully i can get jr and taylor on here soon to talk about that event the leaderboard just uh should get finalized by friday I just submitted all my scores last night. Oh, what if, what if you make it?

It's unlikely, but I'll just, I just won't go. You won't go. All right. And then where's my phone? Oh, here's my phone.

And let me check the calendar to see what else I could tell you is coming down the pipe. So we have the top, top 100 tomorrow. Oh, on Wednesday, we have the top, top 100 tomorrow. Oh, on Wednesday, we have a show with Jr and Taylor top 10 best top 10 games, best games moment of 2000.

22 shit. We better get the links for that. So we can start having the prep in the videos. I didn't even realize that. That's awesome. And then on the 25th, we have steve bart he's an affiliate owner i wish i could see which affiliate i don't know i'm always excited about those shows and then friday the 26th uh we'll probably do uh the ufc show and a live colin show and saturday live colin show and 28th live colin show etc etc

that sounds like it'll be a four-hour podcast man i'm gonna have to go um uh i'll go through that top 100 fast uh savon spilled the beans who won the lubed up beach wrestling match between hillar and hunter we we all we we uh swam freestyle across the pool i lost and then i think um hunter and hiller both swam there and back. I want to say it was a 25 meter pool. And I think Hunter barely won or no, maybe Hiller won. Maybe Hiller won. I can't remember, but they're, they're, I mean, Hunter's a special creature, but Hiller's

extremely fit. It was a crazy day yesterday. We raged, we raged, and then we took a break and then we went to the beach and we raged again. And Hunter and Hiller probably spent, I shit you not, no exaggeration, probably three hours in totality just playing with my kids, throwing them in the water, playing Frisbee with them. It was crazy. And nothing can make me more happy.

All right, guys, I will talk to you guys soon. Peace and love.