The Sevan Podcast - #637 - Brad Gosse

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

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bam we're live uh-oh uh-oh how come it's just me hi Caleb where's the guest good morning holy cow uh this is I hope this isn't the kind of thing that I say over and over and over because I don't think it is. I am beyond excited. Usually when I'm really excited to have a guest on like Patrick Bed-David or Don Fall or Aljamain Sterling, even people closer to home like Haley Adams. There's a bit of me that's like nervous, that wants to run away. This is one of those first, this is one of those guests where I'm beyond excited and there was no urge to run away today.

Like I really wanted to do it. There's a part of me that wants to run away today like i really wanted to do it there's a part of me that wants to run away from every single podcast minutes before we go live i'm like fuck why am i doing this and like my whole fucking giant brain starts up and i just want to run away from doing the podcast this guy that we're gonna to have on today, there is, uh, there's, there's two things going on here. There's like a small business miracle that you're about to witness. Just like CrossFit Inc. Everyone, those of you who have been indoctrinated into CrossFit,

you know that it is the cure for the world's most vexing problem. You know that the level one is the, um, uh, manual to the human genome. You know that if you do CrossFit, you follow the protocols of eating and movement, you'll be inoculated from fucking everything. 86% of all medical expenditure goes to chronic disease and you get inoculated by it and all that. And it's fucking great. And it's a community and it's holistic and you get support. But the small business miracle around CrossFit, which is super like like crazy, is there's 15,000 gyms on all seven continents in 162 countries. And people don't realize that. That is a crazy small business miracle. This guy you're looking at that just popped on right here, this is a guy who's doing what he absolutely loves to do.

He's funny. He's crass. He's wise. But there's also a small business miracle. There's get the story of him of what makes him confident enough to pursue this path but i also want to touch on the part of it that's the inner child of me that's always loved just really crass humor uh you know as a child i was obsessed with uh abbott and costello upset a lot of you probably don't even know who that is uh but but it's a different path to wealth and success and freedom than patrick bet david took who he had on as a guest you know he's worth several hundred million dollars i think he's about to actually cross over the billion dollar mark uh this is a different kind of story of this real uh go-getter success brad hi hi what's up brother um i'm up it's 10 a.m i um i've had a dozen comedians on the show and uh i'd say we're at a 90 failure rate

they are complete fucking depressed messed flop bunch of weirdos yeah that's my experience that's my experience but i watched just about everything i could get my hands on about you and uh it's interesting and you know the two approaches with comedians some some of your podcast hosts expect you to come on as um the character that you portray on the internet and and then others just have a real conversation like the um you did that podcast with the guy uh who was kind of the publication expert right his whole podcast is around bringing people on who are self-publishers oh yeah dale yeah yeah yeah um do you mind i'd like to start i'd like to start with this completely off topic uh i'd like to start with this quote. Usually I say this for my live calling shows, but I saw this yesterday. It's a quote from Ayn Rand, and I'd like to read it to you guys. I'd probably read it on a bunch of podcasts.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities and ran i like it einrand do you think i'm pronouncing her name right i have no idea good okay i don't know who that is well then you think then you must think i'm smart yeah you yeah you're coming off way smarter than me right now what um how will you pronounce your last name for me? Goss. Rhymes with boss. Goss. Our guest is Brad Boss, Brad Goss, and he is hailing from north of the United States where I reside. And I want to show you three links real quick before we get started. Caleb, do you see those three links that says Big Black Hawk?

Can you click those in order starting with the YouTube? Brad, how many books have you written? How many books do you have published? 123. 123 books published. His first book was in 2012. It was a bestseller. He took a hiatus. And then, Brad, three years ago, you got back on the – three years ago, he got back on the train, and he published his next 122 books between three years ago and today. And hang tight. Do you have any idea what number this book is, Big Black Hawk? That's number 123. No shit? This is your most recent publication? Awesome.

Okay. By the way, everything you're going to see is – I think everything you're going to see is available on Amazon. And they come like this. They're great books. I also – if you're a cheapskate like me, you can start finding copies of books where there's like here's 14 books in one. Okay. Here we go brad by the way when youtube set finds out that i stole this from you please just pass on the copyright oh yeah you're good okay good all right all the girls love my big black hawk when they come to ride

he makes them all squawk big black hawk has a giant black head. Big Black Hawk only sleeps in my bed. Big Black Hawk scares the fellas, except my friend Jack. Big Black Hawk makes you jealous because he's so black. Black Hawk is Jack's most favorite ride, but I can't get jack off until he's satisfied my big black hawk is available on amazon i loved i loved jack uh how long did it take to decide on the image of jack oh no no time i mean just you know i don't draw so i have a cartoonist i i basically just describe jack to the cartoonist you know pencil mustache you know scarf you know i don't draw so i have a cartoonist i i basically just describe jack to the cartoonist you know pencil mustache you know scarf you know i kind of just described him french canadian homosexual exactly god i'd love to see your notes i'd love to see your email do you talk to your

artists or do you email them or both we skype we sky chat yeah uh you ever had an art one any of your artists be like hey i'm not i'm not doing this you've gone over the top yep wow yep i have moral boundaries yeah they don't gonna work for me anymore um i had a i had i had this cartoonist she was really good um she was she was like very strict catholic and uh i can't even remember what I asked her to draw. I wish I could remember. It's like, it was, it was one of those, like it was something religious and I can't,

we had probably involved the Pope and she was like, sir, I draw the line here. Okay. We, we show the second link on it. We have it. They're all around the big black Hawk. These first three links, Caleb, this, the second link on, um, we have, they're all around the big black Hawk.

These first three links, Caleb, this, the second link from Instagram. Okay. So, um, normally I don't jump ahead. I don't even let you guys know who the guest is. And we just start the interview, but this is like, I really want you to, you guys to see what we're dealing with here of all. He has 123 books. I scoured his Instagram and i never saw anyone read his content

besides him is this the is this the first guy to ever no no my stuff gets read all the time but this this particular but i mean where you showcase it um yeah that's a little bit more rare this guy reached out to me he's a voiceover artist and he was like hey if i you, if I send you a video of me reading the book and I looked, I checked out his, his Instagram, I'm like, Oh God, this guy's got the voice for it. So he's, I said, yeah, you know, send it to me. I'll tag you and I'd love to share it. And it's doing really well. So here is the same book with another artist, um, giving their, uh, rendition of it. Uh, and his audience is a little rude and keeps interrupting him. But enjoy.

Black Hawk. All right. All the girls love my big black hawk. When they come to ride, he makes them all squawk. What's a squawk mean? That's when they make a noise. Big black hawk has a giant black head. Big Black Hawk only sleeps in my bed.

Aren't they lucky? Big Black Hawk scares the fellas. Except my friend Jack. Big Black Hawk makes you jealous because he's so black. Black Hawk is Jack's favorite ride. But I can't get Jack off until he's satisfied. Yeah, you like that?

It's called my Big Black Hawk. Do you have a Big Black Hawk? I do have a Big Black Hawk. I'll show it to your mother at our parent-teacher conference. Alright, it's nap time now. My... Shout out to Marcellus Shepard. Someone's going to be happy. All right. It's nab time now. My.

Shout out to Marcellus Shepard. That was, he's amazing. Marcellus Shepard. Let's queue him up as a guest. Yeah. And finally, we click the third link down there. I forget what this is. This just might be a still photo of the book. I want to make sure everyone got to see.

Oh, so on top of that, now this is what's important also this guy is a one man wrecking crew um we'll get into all the the the accessories he has um a marketer would be like oh he's such a great promoter i i just don't see it that way i just see it as um he loves his books and he has all of um his books have a like you saw one was the guy reading it he has jingles before he ever um of all 123 books um i'll show you some of the videos before he starts reading them online a jingle plays and i here's a just a little you know another this is like the um the purse of the book here we go every every book has something like that also it this guy is um he's like an animation publishing he's just a

you're a publishing house of some sorts that's one way to look at it yeah yeah tell me tell me um do you ever late how do you label yourself what do you identify with it depends who i'm talking to i usually say comedian um but it's it's one of those weird things where when you say that people always want you to entertain them immediately they're like well tell me a joke you know and so i try i don't know i haven't quite figured out how i identify but to me this is you know is – it's a business. Humor is the product. I create the humor and I sell the humor. When you say business, what do you mean?

Something for you to put food on your table? Yeah, I do it for the money. I'm not going to pretend I'm an artist. I hire artists. I write comedy. But this is a business first. You know, I publish humor books, and I have a social media outlet to promote those humor books. And I go viral a lot because the content of the books are funny. But, you know, it's a business. Yeah business yeah i don't okay uh i don't believe you

here here's why here's why i don't believe you i don't think someone can put as much energy into some i don't think it's a business first i don't think someone can put as much energy into what you're doing oh i love it yeah and money is 100 aligned with me inside like yeah yeah okay you know but but you know i'm 40 i'm turning 49 next month right so i you know i was an entrepreneur long before this and always a funny person to my friends and and then at one point i realized i could align the two and you know and and and that's what happened but it's still to me like if there was no money i wouldn't do it oh understood understood you know what you hear some artists that are like i would do it in a

cardboard box that's not me i'd be i'd go work at kreis, you know, whatever. Have you ever had a nine to five job? No. Well, in my early twenties, a couple of times. Yeah. What did you do? I worked in telemarketing. I managed my dad's furniture store for a couple of years and then became an entrepreneur. Never fast food.

I worked in a restaurant, but not fast food. I worked in a 24 hour diner as a dishwasher. Oh, I wash dishes at a pizza place. What was the other job? I was just going to ask. You've had another job. Oh, parking cars. Did you ever park cars?

No. Yeah, I parked cars too. That's kind of a cool job because there's a lot of camaraderie i bet you know there's like 10 of you dudes and you're just everyone's just running yeah um you're born where were you born in canada toronto and what did your parents do my dad sold cars my mom was a nurse. And are they – are both your parents still alive? Yep.

What do they think about – were they concerned when you sort of went off on this, how you were going to make a – and you have a daughter, right? Beautiful daughter. I have twins, yeah. Oh, awesome. I have twins too. How old? Five. Okay. Mine just turned 13. Wow 13 wow congratulations i have two oh hence the picture of one of the girls making the other girl look small in the staircase

yeah okay yeah yeah they'd okay um and uh what did your parents think you have two daughters um they know you have to support your kids do they get concerned when you when you're what did you do right but what did you have a nine to five. Do they get concerned when you're – what did you do right? Did you have a 9 to 5 three years ago as you transitioned into this? No. I've been an entrepreneur since I was 24, CEO since 24. Yeah. Exactly.

And were they ever concerned going back to when you were 24 like, hey, Brad, you really need to get a job at starbucks so you can have health insurance and you can start paying into your whatever social security and all and all that stuff no i i'm i'm very lucky i'm an only child and my parents were were my mom especially was very encouraging of you know do what you want do what you love don't compromise um so no i never had that um i've seen other people who have that upbringing and they have a lot of self-doubt i'm very lucky you know i'm to a fault maybe i was told you know i was special and um i guess that's a common theme and a lot of people who come on the show they have someone in their life that believes in them yeah and i used to talk about that a lot both my mom and i was raised by my mom and my sister i saw my dad on the weekends but both my mom and my sister always believed in me and i felt that like crazy felt that yeah it's a different you know it's a

different thing when that happens right when people around you believe in you, you want to live up to their belief. Right. And if you believe in you, it's easy. being able to say things that I think that might have offended my mom, things that I didn't think my mom wanted to hear come out of my mouth. So when you publish something like Big Black Hawk, you just have to push that. And now my mom listens to my podcast nonstop, and I'm like, holy cow, I can't believe she's taking this. I can't believe I'm not getting in trouble every time I get off the air, even at 50.

And she just usually gives me a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Or sometimes she'll be like, hey, you need to turn down the swearing a little bit. But like all the vagina jokes and penis jokes and all that stuff, she just kind of flowed with, just tolerates. But I didn't know. It took me 50 years to figure out that I could do that. I could say it. I didn't just have to sit around with the boys and make these jokes while watching ufc right did you have a moment where you're like okay fuck it i'm not going to worry about what my mom thinks or what my dad thinks yeah that was a long time ago you know my why did it take me 50 years my you know my you know my whole life I've always just kind of done my own thing and been on the outside of what normal people are doing.

Every business I've done, everything I've done has been weird. So nothing shocks my family. There's nothing. And the fact that I'm, if anything, I'm sure, I mean, I haven't talked to my parents about this specifically, but if I asked them, they would probably say, yeah, this makes sense what you're doing. Like, seems about right. And you have a girlfriend. Wife. Wife.

You told a story. 19 days. Been married for 19 days. Oh, shit. Congratulations. Thanks. You guys live together? Yeah.

Oh shit. A lot of big steps here. I know you Canadians do stuff kind of funny. Like you guys might get married, but not move in together. You guys think out of the box. I don't know anybody who does that. All right.

Well, I made it up. It sounds like something you could say about Canadians and everybody would believe you. So you should just keep saying it i think that'd be great uh when you were when you were growing up did you play sports as a kid no what were your what were your hobbies as a kid what did you do to pass the time what kind of extracurricular stuff did your parents um put you in from let's say 7 to 18 they didn't put me in anything i was an only child um you know my parents didn't have a lot of money so when i was when i was uh nine years old

my toy of choice was a box of old wire clippings from electrical work and switches and things and i would just like you know fiddle with them and rewire them twist wires together and cut my fingers on strands of copper wow and would you pretend like their stuff too like would you pretend like they were spaceships and they would fight and stuff like that yeah i had lego as well when i got a little you know when i got older and i i definitely did that but you know it was um you know i didn't i didn't there were there were no like karate lessons or you know i think they put me in soccer for like a half a year. And I bet $100 Brad is a fan of Rush.

False. OK, but my mom also put me in soccer. It was the only sport that I ever played growing up. Organized soccer. I was the worst kid on the team. I was the I cried every game because some other kid would push me down um and after a year i think the last game of the season i actually enjoyed it and and then my mom never signed me up for season two so i went through like a whole season of just

fucking hell and then that was it i never liked sports it's never been my thing just i can't watch it i can't relate you know and uh i always find it interesting when some dude starts talking to me and just assumes i know why the blue jays traded so and so last month or when uh no sports how about ufc it's a little it's kind of fringe fringe no no uh funny enough i have a lot of ufc it's a little it's kind of fringe fringe no no uh if funny enough i have a lot of ufc fighters as fans for some reason like when i see all the verified accounts that follow me it's a lot of ufc fighters um so you know um it's just not it's just not for me like and and i mean if i think if i was going to get into a sport it would probably be if it was going to be anything it would either be that or maybe basketball but it's just not i don't know i get bored watching competitive stuff

do you get anxious if you're working on anything besides your uh besides working you start to get anxious no no um No, no. I mean, if I go if if I'm pretty good at like, if I have an idea, I, you know, I stopped to put it down. And that kind of allows me to just go back to the moment. So sometimes, you know, like ideas, if I don't put down my ideas, you know, I'm sure this happens to you, you have an idea. you're like, oh, I got to I'm going to remember that. And then a few hours later, you're like, shit, what was that idea? I kind of you know, I always want to make sure I'm if I have a joke idea, I write it down or a book idea. I put it in my notes and then I can just go back to whatever I'm doing. A few hours. How about a few minutes? I'll come up with these ideas.

I'll be like, OK, I need to make this video right now, but then I'll do something else like wash my hands, go pee, kiss my kid, and the idea is gone. I'm like, what? Even when I got out of the shower today, I ran to my notes for the show, and I hand wrote one down in here. Make sure you tell Brad that he can come on. By the end of the show, make sure you tell Brad he can come on and promote anything ever, always. I like that. So look, I got that off my chest. Do you do any movement now? Do you do any training now? Do you sweat every day?

I walk every day. You do? Yeah. Same route? Pretty much, yeah. We live in a nice area, so we walk the whole sort of um it's a it's a wooded path usually um but but saying that um over the last couple of months i've been doing kettlebells a bit more look at you um you know uh um i'm realizing that like i'm turning I'm turning 49 I don't want to be 50 years old and be

sore you know and I and I've been I've been conscious of some stuff like you know I'm six foot five no shit yeah so so and I'm a I'm a you know I'm putting on some weight

and I see like I see video of myself on stage and I see this old you know, I'm putting on some weight and I see like, I see video of myself on stage and I see this old man with a giant gut and I'm like, who the hell is this guy? Right. You know? Right. And so I'm starting to become a bit more conscious of it. Like, you know, maybe I need to get a personal trainer. Maybe I need to like, I have a, I have a, you know, 45 pound kettlebell within, you know, arm's reach right here. And so, you know, oftentimes I'll be watching a, you know, YouTube video or something, and I'll just pick it up and start, you know, doing stuff with it while I'm watching a video. So I'm, I'm conscious of it, but I'm not,

I'm not putting in the effort like I, like I put into my business. Yeah. 45 sounds heavy for a guy who doesn't train just as I had one here, I would probably use a 20. I work out all the time, but I would probably keep a 25-pound kettlebell. How did you choose 45? I have a 25. I used a 25 for single arm. I used a 45 for swings. Yeah.

I'm 5'5". I'm like a little man compared to you like a little version of you yep 65 my goodness don't laugh caleb are you surprised he's so big caleb yeah 65 is huge i i include tall in my privilege stack i was wondering why the ceiling was so close to his head now it makes sense ah oh what what what room is that are you underground are you in the basement yeah i'm basement comedian how many hours a day do you spend down there eight i put in a nine to five pretty much every day or five days a week. My wife works nine to five. So I,

I kind of follow her schedule. She takes a day off. I take a day off. She works. I work. Um, yeah, that's nice.

How did you guys meet? Um, we met in high school. We dated in high school, married other people, got divorced and met up in our forties. Did you like her in high school married other people got divorced and met up in our 40s did you like her in high school yeah we dated for three years in high school oh okay and then met and then separated got met did you stay in contact with her during your

marriage a little bit yeah yeah crazy i i have a similar i have a similar story to that. It wasn't in high school, but very early on in college, I met this girl. We dated for probably three years. Then we parted ways, and now I'm married to her. But I give myself credit for being with her for all those years. So like when people are like, how long have you been together? I'm like, 25 years. Nice.

It took me five years to have intercourse with my wife five fucking years of courting i wrote a screenplay it's called five years to fornication crazy right what if it was disappointing after five years oh that would have sucked imagine yeah put in all the work and then i refuse i refuse to imagine yeah it's weird to it's it is weird to be with her now knowing that that was the right one all along it is weird isn't it like in a good way, weird, but it's weird. I don't have any more kids. I just,

no, no. Um, there, there are her kids from a previous marriage. So no kids of your own. No. Okay.

No, but I consider these two, my daughters, like they're awesome. And I, you know, I've been in there, I've been, we just got married,

but I've been in their life for like four years. We've been living together for a while. And they know what you do. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're, they're, uh,

they're embarrassed of me. They don't want me to come to their school. Cause the kids know who I am. And that's me. I'm the Mike hunt guy. Is this guy based on you? No, no. Okay. No. No.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That was, you know, that book was book number 121, I think. Okay. And that book was a throwaway.

That was never supposed to be the runaway hit that it was. I mean, that was just, I've been, I've been sitting on that idea for seven, 16, 17 months. Isn't it weird that that seems like your most obvious book and yet no one had done it on planet earth. I know. I,

and it was like, I, I'm not joking when I say it was a throwaway. Like I, you know, I, I sort of consider my stuff like punk rock children's books. Right. So it's like, you know, they've, they've always kind of been a bit, you know i i sort of consider my stuff like punk rock children's books right so it's like you know they've always kind of been a bit you know like they're not necessarily i don't want

to be political but they're social you know and and and i like to kind of agitate the social a little bit the you know the the race and the and the gender and the you know the only fans and all the things in our pop culture um but um for for some reason that you know this like this was kind of like the you know my cartoonist was like hey i need some work i'm like uh all right draw these pictures and like i never saw this book taking off you know i've had other books away, but this book ran away 10 times greater than any other book ran away. Even when you read it, even when it came out, you still didn't know. When I read it on TikTok, they flagged it for community guidelines as they do. And I appealed it and I waited two days and then they put it back up and then when they put it back up it was like you know first hour 100 000 views second hour 300 000

views i was like okay this is now i see something happening it got up the next morning and it was like 1 million 1.3 million or whatever you know now it's like six and a half million and i think 600 women have duetted that video so the number of views on the duets out outpace the number on my actual video when how do you know it's 600 women and not um like i've watched i've watched every duet wow i've watched them all i read every comment i watch every duet if you interact with me on the internet I've seen it Men don't duet it? Some of them do yeah but over

So there's like over 600 Duets or maybe I can't remember last time I checked It was like 590 duets and that was a couple Days ago So I'm assuming it's over 600 but Like out of those duets 95% of them were women Like very few of them were men wow interesting

so and they loved it do you know do you know what your fan base is do you like when i whenever i see stats about this show it's like 70 male so it's funny my up until recently my audience was was 60% female. And then over the last year, it became 70% male over the last year. I mean, you really, really speak to the – well, you speak to both sides. It's kind of like The Simpsons. When I watched it as a kid i didn't get half the jokes or family guy right it's even even that movie shrek you watch like i'm watching it and i'm like this isn't appropriate i'm in the theater with my kids or some kids i'm like this isn't appropriate for kids i'm like oh wait a second they don't get this shit no it's over

their heads yeah or bugs bunny the old bugs bunnies when i watch them i'm like this motherfucker's on acid my my fan base is it's it's all over the place it's 15 year old boys and it's 40 year old women you know 50 year old women it's it you know it's dudes in their 30s with with tats and beards like it's all over the place. You know, I was like, I went to McDonald's on Saturday to get coffee and I'm standing there waiting for my, you know, I mobile ordered it and I walked in and I'm standing there waiting for it. And there were these four teenage boys, you know, and they were just like, they were making a lot of noise and then they kind of got quieter and quieter. And I looked and they were all over on their phones and they were trying to find me. And then I just heard them say, ask him, ask him. And then as I grabbed my coffees, I head to the door and they're standing in front of the door staring at me.

And one kid holds up my profile picture. He's like, is this you? Yeah. I'm like, yeah. And they're like, can we get a picture? I'm like, sure. You know, and took a picture. And so, so like, you know, and, and if I'm honest, like I couldn't be happier.

Like. Sure. Recognized for your work. honest like i couldn't be happier like sure recognized for your work but but like at 49 to be relevant to 15 year old boys it's like tough crowd they're gonna retire me you know what i mean like i'm i'm doing well now when they have you know when they have like jobs and disposable income they're gonna fill theaters for me you know so that's that's the audience i want to cultivate i don't want the geriatrics i don't want the old people they're gonna die soon they're running you know they're gonna like i don't want their i don't want them as fans um elaine wants to know what a

duet is so on tiktok um you can look you can make a video of you next to somebody else's video so you can so and so what a lot of people do with a duet is they do a blind react someone will someone will tag a friend in my video of me reading a book and they will rather than even watch the video they'll just duet it which means they can watch it and film themselves watching it at the same time so you get these kind of reactionary videos and it's like a side-by-side split screen that's how i've always heard them reference reaction videos there you go side by side yeah duet allows you to post your video side by side with a video from another creator on tiktok a duet contains two videos and a split screen that play at the same time keep in mind you must have a public account to allow others

to do at your videos um brad do you get annoyed when people give you suggestions no um but i ignore them um because i can't i can't put myself in a situation legally where uh you know i appear to be accepting submissions because then someone's going to come looking for their cut of whatever. So people do make suggestions often. If you slide into my DMs with a suggestion, I'm not going to respond to you. I probably, as soon as I see that you're making a suggestion, I just delete. I don't even want to because I can't appear to be influenced by your ideas. So I have to be careful with that.

Um, like, you know, there's, there's a, there's, there's part of me that knows there's litigation at the end of taking suggestions. So I saw a suggestion just now pop up in the comments. Uh, how would I share that with you? Don't. how would I share that with you? Don't. Maybe I have to do it like subliminally. Like I ever taught, like I'll talk about, um, I can ask it to you in a question. Have you ever, um, you're a big, here we go. Let me see if I can slip this in here without it being a suggestion. You're a big man at six, five.

So your range of girls that could be spinners in your life is larger than mine. Yeah. Right. So for me, a spinner has to be like, uh, like, uh, small Filipino girl.

You could be my spinner. I could be your spinner. And I hate to say it, but I think that may have been the suggestion in the comments. Someone says he should make a book where you're a spinner. So on you assholes. It's my show. We make fun of him not me uh this is what happens okay cheryl the spinner um uh let's you you said you just now you you mentioned uh retiring you, and you alluded to the fact that there could be a movie in the works.

Could you hit that clip? I think it's on the first page. It says a movie, question mark. Are you working on a movie, Brad? I'm not working on a movie. When I said theaters, I meant for live broadcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is the – there's my spinner.

Oh, that poor guy. Script movie. No, no. That was a joke. But we're, I'm not making a movie about racist robots.

I'm making a book about racist robots that are, um, keeping white privilege alive for us. Um, but, but no, uh, I'm, I am working on like a, like a, like a half hour pilot show, but not for a network or anything like that. I'm not, I'm not really seeking. like that i'm i'm not i'm not really seeking and i'm not so when i say i'm not seeking i'm like i'm not looking for a publisher i'm not looking for a network i'm not looking for a studio i'm not looking for an animation you know what i mean like my stuff's so weird i gotta be vertically integrated i gotta self-publish i gotta self you know everything so i'm looking at making like a 22 minute you know

children's like children's style program like a mr rogers type thing like i have puppets i've ordered custom puppets of some of my characters um i have like here i'll show you i've never seen them step into the back like that i've had some claymation stuff made like this is Cucumber Curtis, you know, one of my characters. So I'm I'm I'm slowly kind of putting together the pieces of what what will become a pilot of like a, you know, a kid's program for adults. So think of it like, you know, Pee Wee Herman meets Pornhub. you know, Pee Wee Herman meets Pornhub. Uh, I, I, once again, I bring up the fact that I don't believe you that this is a business, but you kind of, kind of helped me integrate that, but just let me beat up on you a little bit. Yeah, do it. This guy, this guy, you will scroll through his Instagram and you will see how much he's not afraid to try. He has tried so many things,

so many fun things. Now, of course, there's some themes that there's – it's not like you start to understand him and you start to understand his body of work and you recognize, hey, it's Brad. But he's tried a ton of stuff, and here we are again. He's trying – he's talking about making a pilot, but who's he doing it for? pilot but who's he doing it for he's not doing it for a network he's not doing it for a movie theater like it's like you only know the entrepreneurial way which i have to believe comes out of passion what's something like i don't know something something in you money i do it for the money it's it's some pathology you have that has to get out i i don't know i i feel like i just kind of like and this is just i like you know there's with me there's no layers i'm not going to pretend to be someone i'm not i'm i'm never been more honest with who i am than than than this moment you know what i mean so when i when i tell you i do this for the money the ideas are the ideas are there but it but it's

like the money created the created the space for me to have the the creativity and have the freedom to do this stuff but i wouldn't be doing it if i if all my energy was sucked away at a job right i'm not going to be doing this you know what i mean i'm i just wouldn't be doing this at night like it like so you know really okay then let's let's talk about your first book then not the one in 2012 but the one three years ago tell me about the very first book the build-up up to it like maybe the week before the month before can you tell me the origin story of the first book well the first book was the birth of all the books the first book was it was called daddy drinks and 99 other children's books that never made it and it was essentially

the the book each page was the cover of a book right it was just another idea for a children's book and um that because that came from i had a company called vector tunes was a clip art company um and uh i was making some facebook ads one day and i and i took some of the clip art and i was like uh you can do anything with vector tunes even make children's books and it was like a really crass you know children's book cover and that, um, those ads did fairly well, you know, and they got, I, and I could tell by kind of the, whenever I put something out on social media, I can tell even, you know, even if I only spend $5 on a Facebook ad, I can tell, okay, this, this was something, you know, there was a bit of buzz. And so, and then my friends were like, oh my God,

this is really funny. Can we, can we, can we buy these books? And then I was like, Oh, you know, and I put out this book of the covers and it didn't actually do very well. And I think I only sold like a hundred, maybe 50 or a hundred copies of this book, um, when I first published it. And then, um, so, so essentially I came up with a hundred, you know, bad children's book ideas. And I did that in a weekend and I designed these, you know, on my Mac with, you know, clip art.

Like I didn't have any custom art done. I didn't, you know, I just designed the idea. It just threw them together. Frankenstein, some clip art and made these things. And then you personally did it.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I've software. Did you use something in Adobe? Uh, no, I use a, I use an app called comic life it's like a 30 30 app it's available mac and windows and i use it to put all my books together um it's you know it allows you to kind of drag in cartoons and put bubbles and you know all that stuff um and uh so then i started doing tiktoks, my, my kids told me about Tik TOK and I was like, oh, okay, let me, let me try this out.

And I, I, I was still just an entrepreneur with a business, but I always wanted to be a comedian and always wanted to try and find a way to turn comedy into, into, you know, money. Um, and so I made a, I made a Tik tiktok where i said my children's books keep getting rejected by my publisher tell me why you think this one did and then i would just show the cover just pull out the you know the cover and show the cover um and i showed them why daddy hits mommy and it got a million and a half views on tiktok and i just read the comments and all the comments were the same read this book to us and i hadn't written it so i wrote it i wrote it like dr seuss style and uh and then i held up the cover and i just read it like a poem and they were like why can't we see the pages well i hadn't you know and then and then it just hit you know okay they want us they want this to be a book so then rather than you

know so then so then i put the pages together published the book waited for it to be in hand and then i read the book to them and then the book started selling and that was it that was like show me how to make a dollar and i will turn that like i you know i will mine i will mine that to death and that's what i did you know just that book was the blueprint for every future thing it was like make a book get book, get the book, read the book, sell the book. That was it. Uh, there's, here's something that's another theme in Brad's life. You're going to notice, um, the conventional wisdom is don't listen to anyone, um, be your own person, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And this guy leans into everything. If you, if you talk shit

to this guy on the internet, he leans into it. He does what boys, healthy boys do in the locker room. We sit around and we make fun of each other. And it's your, it's your friend's way of telling you that they like you. And it actually feels good. Like, I know it's hard when I was 16, people made fun of me for being short and having a huge nose but now it's like i i just i i'm an alchemist i just turned that shit into love he listened to the people and you'll be like well yeah of course it was all positive what's he do with negative shit well we let me give you an example of that too um i mean this is so you know what i do in my comments on youtube if someone i turn everything into your mom joke.

Oh, yeah. I do that too. Hey, you should quit, Savon. You suck. Yeah, that would give me more time to fuck your mom. Thank you. Right, right. I always like to ask the question, did your dad love you too much or not enough? Right, right. Did he hug you for too long or too short right uh i also you also do the same thing that you recognize that for every finger that they have pointed at you they have four pointed

back at themselves so when you someone says points to you as being a pedophile and you had no pedophile intentions and it's like oh shit this person just fucking outed themselves right right uh don't put me on a pedestal with your dad yeah that's that's one of my favorite things to say to people uh brad this uh i don't know where these comments are from but he posts them it says it's not my job to listen to anyone i'm a comedian i make laughs i don't change votes then the response is you don't have a response or sorry it says you do have a responsibility to listen to people of color. That's woke talk. That's woke racist talk. When talking about their issues.

Their issues. And this person's fucking profile pic is a white cartoon character, by the way. And then Brad responds. Go ahead, Brad. I was just going to say it's an anime profile picture. And then Brad responds, I don't talk issues. I write dirty poems with cartoons. Don't put me on a pedestal with your dad. Bam. Eat a dick.

Lower your expectations when consuming my content. Did you have a – or just recognize like, hey, this is like a wisdom book. If you're projecting shit onto it, take a moment to realize hey where's that coming from it's like when someone screams that person's a racist i'm like did you see their kkk mask did you see the swastika on their back well i'm sorry i didn't see anything racist there what did you see that was racist did you go into their closet and find their manifesto on to kill all armenians like what i think well i think people are really there's i think i think the definition of the definition of racism for a lot of people has stretched way beyond – it's like we're looking for subtleties now that never existed before. Do you know why we're doing that? Why? Why do you think we're doing that?

I want to hear you go first. I just think we're doing it because we're so agitated and things have gotten like, you know, like I know there's racism. And but when you're not racist and people are constantly trying to label you as racist, which is me, I realize that it's just because there's so little of it out there. Because, you know, we've, you know, like of it out there because you know we've we've we've you know like you look at kanye you know what i mean he said he said something that he shouldn't have said and boom de-platformed so we we take you now and we de-platform you when you say anything racist so now everybody's now they're trying to figure out the most subtle form of racism they can attack in you because it's all that's left you you were you were going to say the exact same reason that

i know in my dogmatic arrogant way there's so little of it in the outside world and so much of it in some people's inside world yeah that they were demanding to see it there was it's basically economics right they were demanding that car's black that's racist you culturally appropriated our car. I mean, they're just, they're starved because they're so frustrated that they still are racist inside that they're demanding to see an outside world. It's what, the basic example is you're hungry. That's an inside feeling. Right.

That you think is real. And you act on it and you go to the refrigerator and eat a handful of nuts. Right. You have a racist thought. you're not aware of it and then so then you start to demand to see it in the outside world to validate your fucking existence and then and then you demand that we validate that shit with you it's crazy i think a lot of people think they're actually helping the world yes by by yelling at by yelling at the funny man on the internet and saying you you can't say because the problem is right i'm like and i i talk

about this on stage all the time i'm i'm a white middle-aged cisgendered canadian male what's that mean what's that mean cisgendered means i i'm i'm a male i'm i'm a i'm a i'm a single gender i'm not fluid i'm not you know you have a penis it means you have a penis well you can have a penis and not be cisgendered but and, and don't get me wrong. Like I'm, I'm all like, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not one of these people who's like, you know, I don't believe in pronouns. Like I'm totally down with all of that stuff. Like I'm not, you know, one of these people who's like anti woke or pro woke or either,

either way. But I think people take everything to extremes. And I think some people think they're helping the world by yelling at the funny man on the internet because of some subtlety that they decided that was racist and it's all they got, you know? And so that's that, but it's like, you're not actually out doing anything. You're not actually, you know, volunteering for some anti-hate crime organization or, you know, I don't see you scrubbing swastikas off of synagogues.

I see you in my comment section yelling racist in all caps. And if you think that's helping the world, you're human garbage. I want to play the Mike Hunt book, but I can't drop this. So let me throw this out there. I hear you about people take things to too much of extremes. I hear you. much of extremes i hear you and and i and i my canadian friends who have had on the show a lot um i think it would be fair to say that canada is a little more socialist than the united states and they think the metaphor i'll use is that canadians think it's okay not even true i'm being using broad sweeping generalizations. Let's just say some people think it's okay if the government puts this little bit of their penis in your ass, just a tiny bit. It's okay. It's for the greater good of humanity. I get it because I used to be there. who didn't do as well as some of the Asian kids because, and call it affirmative action, change the name of it. Don't call it judging people by their, don't call it what it is, racism. I get it. I used to be there. I was in college. I was a dirt twirling hippie.

The problem is, is it sets, they've changed the word from it being racist. Hey, we're going to use, we're going to like, they should just be honest and say, Hey, we're using racism to try to do some good. Instead, they switched the name to affirmative action. Are you you familiar with that i don't know if you guys have that in canada it's not a thing well it it's not really affirmative action is not specifically a thing here but okay i mean it's a huge in california these do have quotas okay yeah and california in the school system it's been here forever i mean as long as i can remember and um and there was even a black guy on the school on the on the california um the uc california system that's the largest uh college institutions in the world you see the california college institutions you know ucla uc santa barbara all that shit uc san francisco and there

was a black guy on there who was against affirmative action because he called it racist and people fucking hated him but but flash forward and that that little bit that we let them put in our butt, they've now shoved the whole finger in there because of something that I think the term is called precedent. And so I hear you that we don't want to be extreme. But it seems like everywhere we've let a little bit of precedent come in um that that's what led to the issue like there was a there was a denial of what we were really doing we were being racist and judging people by the color of their skin to let them into the uc system and now overtly in new york city they let blacks get their covid shots before whites i mean it's i can't even fucking believe it and then and then what do they have brad do they have like a

strip of paper it's like black and white and then all the colors in between and they and they hold it up to your skin and they're like hey if you're if you're this or or darker you get to get your shot and if you're not and how about indians most of the indian guys i know are darker than black dudes but they don't get to be black dudes i mean because because it has nothing to do with skin color it has to do with culture the whole thing is just a fucking mess the metrics we're using is just right are you following me kind of on this shit show no no uh no but it's where i live it's different okay um you know where i live um you know vaccinations were not canada's a bit different you know we don't have um we we do

still have some segregated neighborhoods we do still have some you know some areas you know are definitely you know um populated with more of one race than another. And, you know, even where I live, the, the, you know, I live in a, in a, in a fairly, um, um, upscale neighborhood in the greater Toronto area. How long have you owned that house? Uh, I've been here for, uh, four years. Damn life's good. And, um, uh, where I live, it's mostly, you know, brown people, Indians. You know, I think there's on my street, I think there's three white people. You know, brown people, by the way, are rich as shit. Because in the United States, they make an average $100,000 a year where white people only make $60,000.

Because they're motivated. They work hard. Culturally. But it's not their skin color it's their culture it's it's always culture it's never about skin color it's we you know we we need to make it about skin color because we can see it okay we agree yeah but um but well that's i think that's what what people do right they make it about skin color because i can't see your culture i don't know i don't know you know what household is like, or I don't know what kind of food smells are coming out of your kitchen. So I judge you based on skin.

But here in Canada, vaccinations, all that kind of stuff, they were rolled out unanimously in all neighborhoods at all the same. You know what I mean? There was no, well, let's go here first. Right. I was just using that as an example. Right. Things here are very, like i i don't know i i think things here are pretty good in terms of of how we deal with with multiculturalism canada's it canada's a huge melting pot huge melting pot especially where i live and i'm i'm okay like i'm you know, I know there are some white people who have moved further and further North to get away from, you know, this because Toronto specifically is like a landing zone.

There's an airport here, international airport. A lot of people land here and then they, they go 20 minutes away and get a place, you know, they don't go very far from the airport. So, um, so it's a melting pot and a lot of white people don't like it. I'm okay. I'm cool with it like i'm i'm not bothered by you know different races in my neighborhood i don't feel like somebody's invading but some people do feel like that and and and it's not um you know it's it doesn't always come from a place of hate it often comes from a place of fear they just don't want they just don't want to see people who don't look like them right i don't know anywhere like i don't know any people like that or anywhere like that in the united states either i'm sure it exists but i live in the bay area okay so yeah and so in the

entire bay in the whole tech industry facebook amazon apple i mean basically indians and asians have just like completely taken over those areas when i go to tennis what part of the bay area are you in i'm insane i'm in santa cruz i'm about 70 miles south of uh san francisco it's i was born in oakland and uh born and raised in oakland and berkeley and then came and then eventually came down here which is kind of a trip this is this is this is not a um it's not a healthy group of people here mentally yeah i can see that we have a shit ton of weirdos okay uh can we play um a mike hunt i played this on my show several times i apologize for stealing your shit so no it's never stealing. It's all free advertising. So this is just a still photo he posted.

And then, bam, here we go with my cunt. My cunt gets so hairy. Sometimes my cunt bleeds. It can be kind of scary. My cunt loves to squirt and gets wet easily. My cunt once got crabs and scratched endlessly. My cunt gets ingrown hairs. My cunt collects toys. My cunt has a piercing and gets pounded by the boys. Sometimes my cunt farts with great force and power my cunt is the freshest right after a shower my cunt smells like fish is available on amazon my uh reach number 92 and it reached number 44 actually on all books on amazon.com uh and i got to number 17 on amazon.ca. Wow. Are you tripping?

Is that the highest any of your books have ever gotten? No. I have been number 40 on Amazon.com at one point. What book was that? My first book in 2012, which was a business book, launched at number 40, but I've actually taken that book off. I don't sell that book anymore.

How come? Mainly because when I started writing all the humor books, Amazon was showing my, my old business book as like the first result because it was good reviews and it was just confusing the market. I'm like, okay, I'm, I've become a comedian, but I have this weird business book sitting on the shelf. It just doesn't, it didn't align with the brand. So, and it wasn't selling that well. So I just took it down. Wow.

Okay. That, that takes a, that would break my heart to make something, put it up and take it down. That shows like some like understanding of the markets that I, that I, that I don't. You know, that book did really well. That book sold, you know, I think 30,000 copies in 2012. Holy shit. So, you know, that like that book served me for, for a good 10 years, you know, it got me keynote speeches at business events and it got me, you know, all kinds of notoriety and, and, and that book, uh, you know, was a game changer for

me in business. But then 10 years later, I took it down like a year ago. So yeah, like nine years later, it's not – the ideas in the book are still relevant and they still make sense to me. But it's just not in line with what I'm doing. I'm not a business author anymore i'm a comedian are all your books uh print on demand through through amazon you use the publishing yep options they offer yep and and are all 123 of them except for the one you mentioned um still available yep wow incredible do they all sell yeah um you know it's like it's an 80 20 rule right i have you know 20 of my books are doing the most of my business but you know every book

sells do you have a user interface where you can see all your books and be like okay this one is today went from 109 sales to 110 it It went to 100. Oh, man. Amazon's reporting is not the best. They report. So two places I can look. I can look at the Amazon bestseller ranks to see how it's doing right this moment in terms of sales. And that's updated every four hours. Or I can check my Amazon publishing reports.

But those publishing reports, they only, they, they only pay you a royalty when you, when they ship a book. So if you order a book today, I'll see that in the bestseller rank, but that book might not ship until tomorrow or the next day. So I won't see that in my publisher royalty stats until a couple, until the day it ships. So I'm, you know, my, so I have two kind of metrics to look at but the the bestseller ranks don't tell me how many books sold they just give me i can kind of estimate how many books have sold god i would be obsessed with that i would be looking at that shit every day i do when i look at it i'm obsessed with stats there's no question it must be fun um did you have a did you watch a lot

of tv as a kid yep what did you watch brady bunch or leave it to beaver or what was there any shows they're like yep i've seen all these dukes of hazard seen them all gilligan's island yep um god i watched that show too that show is stupid right i've seen all those 20 times so stupid um but somehow i always thought that in my life i would wind up shipwrecked and i would need to know these things um that understood um i but i, when I was a kid, I watched a lot of infomercials and I watched a lot of televangelists, like a lot. And I actually went when I was like, you would watch a whole Bowflex. Yeah, I would watch like, you know, amazing discoveries where they would sell car wax or I would watch, you know, and I was fascinated by the infomercial. They would sell car wax or I would watch, you know, and I was fascinated by the infomercial and I was fascinated by Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts.

And I actually, when I was 10 years old, I went through this phase where I ordered everything that came for free from every, like every evangelist on TV had something for free. You know, you could get the Book of Mormon sent to your house. You could get, you know, some prayer card or whatever. They just want to to get you on their mailing list you would call the 1-800 number and 700 club and i would order the things you know and whatever they would send for free and then i'd get on their lists and they every week i would get mail from televangelists and that was fun getting mail as a kid yeah of course and and, I was like, I was 10 years old and I knew these guys were con artists and I just, I was fascinated by them. What did your parents say about that fascination? They weren't there to watch me watch. They were working.

My mom, my mom was, I was raised by my mom. My dad left when I was 10 or nine, I think. So, so I, so I, you know, know my mom was was a working single mom she wasn't home very much i had a key you know around my neck so yeah and i had a bus pass you know and and um and then you know i would come home and lock myself in the house and turn on the tv and you know i watched whatever i had no nobody was saying stop watching watching that Pat Robertson crap or whatever. It was just like I was fascinated by the way that they the way that they perform, the way that they sold, the way that they, you know, like I could see the business. I was 10 years old and I could see the the man behind the curtain, you know, and I was fascinated by how that all worked. Wow. I would just pass by those channels because I just thought it was just over my head.

I feel like as long as I've been alive, I've always been fascinated by the person on the stage that captivates the audience. Why are they all listening to him? Her? What is, you know, what is so special? person on the stage that captivates the audience why are they all listening to him her what what is you know what is so special why are you know i'm fascinated like how is he keeping them in their seats you know like i want to know everything uh when you start when you start publishing these any comedians any comedians that you you admired did you have like all the richard prior records or all the right did you have records? Eddie Murphy.

Yeah, I had Eddie Murphy, Rodney Dangerfield, Cheech and Chong. Yeah. I was into all that stuff as a kid. And you had, you had the big records and you play them on the record player and just sit down and listen. I had, you know, bootleg cassettes. Yeah. Yeah. God, Dangerfield was amazing when I was a little kid.

I saw him in vegas before he died by the way and that was like one of the and i knew every punch line and i still couldn't stop laughing like it was just so good uh um i dated this girl who was so fat she got on a scale and the card came out and said one at a time but i'm done dangerfield yeah i think my favorite one is is uh uh i got a vasectomy at sears now every time i jerk off i open a garage door i i had sex with this girl she was a double bagger she's so ugly i put a bag over my head in case the bag over her head breaks. That is a classic. I would sit there as a little boy. My mom wouldn't be home, of course.

And I would just play that record over and over and over. Yeah. And at that point, did you have aspirations to be a comedian? Did you want to tell those jokes to people? Yes, but I wanted to be funny more than I think i wanted to be funny more than i wanted i didn't understand that like i didn't understand that could be a thing when i was right yeah i mean it seemed so out of reach you know um and and but it like i didn't know that eddie murphy was a millionaire when i was right i mean either right this sounds really dumb, right. But it's like,

you know, somehow I could figure out the inner workings of the 700 club, but I didn't know Eddie Murphy was a millionaire. And so it just didn't, it didn't add up for me. But it also, it's like the path, it changes over,

over your life. So it's like, I think I wanted to be a comedian when I was, I know I wanted to be a comedian when I was a kid. Cause I remember saying it out loud at one point, I want to be a comedian, but knowing, knowing that the path was hard, I, you know, and, and, you know, of course people in your life, when you're young, always tell you, you gotta have a good backup plan or whatever. For me, it was like, I knew I always wanted to be funny. I've always been funny. I

always wanted to be funny in what I do. But when I, when I realized I could become a comedian was when the world changed enough that I could do it without, I don't want to go through the starving part of the artist phase. I don't, you know what I mean? I don't want to do like,

I go to clubs on like, you know, I did, I was at a comedy club in toronto last night for an amateur night and i i was the headliner and i you know i came in and they closed i closed it out and you know i watched all these this is last night yeah i watched i watched all these open mic amateurs you know some of them who i've met before because they're there's you know a limited number of comics in toronto and i and and every one of them has a day job you know they nobody is is a full-time perfect

like i'm the only even the headliners at some of these events you know they're like hey can i get a ride with you because i don't have a ride home or you know and like you know so so i didn't i can't go i can't be hungry i like money i like to do well financially. It's wired into me. I have a certain expectation of comfort in my life. And I've done well my whole life. So I couldn't become a comedian and be broke. So when I figured out a way to do it through self-publishing, social media, here in my basement without getting on a plane every week and going broke and staying in some fleabag motel so I can get a seven-minute spot in front of 12 drunks that came in from the Hilton Garden Inn or whatever. I just can't. That's not me. I had to be able to make it work financially. you know what I mean? I just can't, that's not me. I had to be able to make it work financially. Um, so, so, you know, if I had tried 20 years ago, I would have failed so fast because I couldn't,

I'm not going to do, I'm not going to sling it in the bars. I'm not, I'm just not that guy. Um, has anyone ever told you, you look like Bill Murray? I get that. Yeah. I have, I have a joke that I look like Elon Musk at his first day. Oh shit. Yeah. Wow. I have a joke that i look like elon musk at his first a meeting oh shit yeah wow i have a joker i look like the dwight shrewd doll you ordered off of wish um i don't know what that is dwight shrewd doll dwight shrewd he's the he's that he's you know the office yeah kind of kind of he's he's the nerdy guy in the office with the glasses and the the mustard colored shirt and the tie you know he's uh rain wilson's character i'm sure i would recognize him if i saw him yeah but yeah i do see elon i see elon but i was just getting some bill some bill murray vibes yeah

if you have 123 books and you've been doing this for three years that's uh 40 books a year. Yep. It's about a book a week with a couple weeks off. Wow. So you're all... How long does it take? What's the fastest the books come to your head and then you're holding the book? 48 hours.

No shit. Now, the fastest is... So holding the book is the hardest part because i have to wait for amazon to approve it print it ship it so the approval process is overnight you know if i if i submit a book to amazon today it'll be approved tomorrow morning have you ever had one that wasn't approved uh no but i've had one banned wow oh the the coronavirus one yeah and it was only because and this actually when this happened it really kind of if i'm honest it really kind of let me it hit me and i was like i almost gave up because that makes me happy to hear that because some part of me is like does this guy really just always play by the rules that makes me glad that it bothers you because yeah i get concerned about

what's going on up there in the north that there's too many compliant people no i i um they they took the book down because so i published a book called um you're going to camp coronavirus because you didn't wash your hands and i published it before the lockdown i published it in january or february like before all before when the coronavirus was just in China. You were moving faster than the speed of science. I, my wife was like, she was my girlfriend at the time. She was like, look, you know, we gotta be worried about this. This was like December, January.

She was like, this is a thing. She works for a healthcare company. She was like, this is bigger than we think it is. She was talking about it when nobody was talking about it. She was like fascinated with the numbers in Wuhan in December. And I'm like, you know, part, like, I know she's smart and I trust her judgment. So, but, but me, I'm like, nah, China, you know, but she's like worried about it. So I was paying more attention to it because she was and then in january came i was like okay you know what we're talking they're talking about on the news every day i'm gonna

write a book about it so i wrote a book published the book and the book was doing okay and then the end of february early march that book was the number one result on amazon for coronavirus and i was selling i don't know a few hundred copies a day and i think at one point i was selling over a thousand copies a day the book was just doing phenomenally well and then one day i got a i got an email saying we've removed this book and it was right it was like right at the time of the lockdown and then and then at the same time amazon i don't know if you remember this or not, but right when everybody, when we all, you know, two weeks to flatten the curve, when we all went into that two weeks, Amazon was so busy delivering groceries that they said, we're going to suspend all other shipments until we get all these groceries out. So my books stopped selling. Nobody was buying them so i had a book

that was doing really well and then it was gone and i there was no fighting amazon they were not like they were not hearing it they were like your book said coronavirus you're canceled and you know and i had other books but they just weren't selling and so during that two weeks i just kind of not i stopped making comedy i was doing, before the lockdown, I was doing really well. It was growing. And I think I, I think I went into lockdown with like, you know, 50,000 followers or something or, and so I, so I kind of quit for a while. And I, I, like, I don't, I think part of me was just like, fuck it.

What's the point of doing this? If they're going to ban my books, you know, like, why am I going to bother? And then, and then something hit me a few weeks later where i was like no this is about they took this down for their own legal liability reasons they didn't want to be appearing to sell anything that offered any advice or cure they didn't even they didn't even look inside my book they're not bothered to evaluate it they're just like take it all down yeah and then i and then i shifted gears and i was like okay i had a copy of the book. So I gave it away for free.

I uploaded the PDF and I said, you can have this book for free. Amazon bandit. You can have it for free. And I built a huge mailing list, like massive mailing list of people who wanted this book because they wanted to see why it was banned. Why did they ban it?

You know, genius. There it is again, guys. He leaned into it. That's a different book. I published that in 2020. The other one was called you're going to camp coronavirus. guys he leaned into it that's a different book i published that in 2020 the other one was called you're going to camp coronavirus because you didn't wash your hands it's on it's on bradgoss.com you can get it for free um but it's uh that so

that helped me to build a huge mailing list and that kind of helped to put me back on track but it took me um it took me a few months to get my rhythm back because i was so derailed like i was going like i think if that didn't happen i'd probably have 200 books and i'd probably wow like like i really let it kill my momentum and and i'm and i'm i'm i regret that i let that happen because i because i't know, because it was so early, like, you know, it's different now. Cause I, now I have the data. Now I know this is a thing, but then I didn't know then that was, I think that was like book number four. You know what I mean? So I, so I let it derail me because it was like, this is,

can I really make this a thing? You know, And now I'm 120 books deep and it is, but then I didn't have that. I have the rear view mirror vision now, but then I just had the unknown in front of me. And so I think I really let it derail me more than I should have. That's a great story. Go back now for me to the 48 hour thing,

like books that like the, some of the faster turnarounds, like, holy shit, you have this idea. I can make a book in an hour from, from idea. If I have the art,

like if I'm using clip art, cause a lot of my books, I don't now, most of my books are hand custom drawn, but I used to just use clip art. So if I had an idea for a book and I, and I could do it with clip art from idea to finished, like submitted to Amazon, I've done it in an hour. This company VectorTunes that you used to own, I looked up VectorTunes, V-E-C-T-O-R-T-O-O-N-S.

I don't see it. I mean, I see it on Pinterest. I sold the company and the company that bought it didn't want the website. They just wanted the art catalog. That company had 3.7 million copyright pieces of art that it owned exclusive rights to. Yeah. I sold it to another clip art company that merged it into their catalog. They didn't want the brand that I had built.

How do you start a clip art company? want the brand that I had built. How do you start a clip art company? So I was doing, it started with my book in 2012. Actually, my first book, I hired a cartoonist to draw some, uh, caricatures of me for the book. And she was so good at her work and she was so inexpensive, you know, and she was, she's like, she was like, you've just given me my dream job. I paid her better than she asked, you know, and she was just like, you've, you've given me my dream job. And so when I was done the book, I just kept her. And I, I was, I had her drawing stuff for different products. I was creating marketing that I was doing ads. I was running, I was doing all kinds of cartoon stuff in my ads and it was working really well. I was doing cartoons in my sales letters, my sales letters you know when i when i would sell like software my sales letters look like comic books

and um people loved it they loved it affiliates loved it they would promote my stuff because my sales letters were so pretty and um and then i would use these cartoons for like one thing and then they'd just be sitting in my hard drive so one day my assistant was bored and i'm like okay take all these cartoons um you know let's start a database let's come up with some keywords and some titles and some stuff and we're gonna make a clipart website i think i had like 500 cartoons just sitting in a hard drive and uh so we created vector tunes and and it was just like i'm just gonna put these up and let Google find them. And if people buy them great, and if they don't,

I don't care. That's how I started vector tunes. And, um, you know, fast forward almost 10 years with 3.6 million images. I sold it in, uh,

January this year. Um, did it feel good to sell it or was it sad? Um, it felt good to sell it because it was a business i owned with my ex-wife so now i'm able to close down my my my dealings with my ex-wife you know financially you know complete closure uh that was like the last asset that we shared um so i was happy to get rid of it for that reason and and it had run its course and i was already a full-time comedian the vector

tunes business was just kind of like you know it was on autopilot and it was paying me but you know i was happy to get rid of it because then i was now i'm 100 focused on you know my business which is which is the books yeah i'm a i'm a i have a corporation that owns the rights to all of my publishing and all my work and and i you know do you know anyone does anyone own all um 123 books yes yeah and and they send you pictures and they're just like all sitting on a bookshelf in order yeah i have a few um super fans that i'm very grateful for um i have one woman who buys um you have the you have one of the compendiums there of the multi-volumes yeah um i have one woman who's like you know yeah so i have five of those with four with 14 stories in them each yeah

yeah um and so i have here's here's some misinformation in one of your books uh no matter what you need vaccines that's right no misinformation okay yeah so so sorry so she has all all the compendiums yeah and and but she buys them autographed so she's always like whenever whenever they come out just just let me know. I'll buy the autographed copy. And I have a few fans that are like that, that buy everything autographed. Don't bathe with Uncle Joe. Is this based on Joe Biden? You know, actually, it's funny you say that.

The other one people ask me, is it based on Joe Biden? Is this one here Buster the Perverted Ghost? Because he smells your hair, and he licks the seat of where is it he he smells your hair and he licks the seat of your chair and he smells your underwear yeah but is this tell me is this oh no oh darn it no everybody wants it to be that that's what's that's what's funny about my books is everybody wants it to be about a thing right if they project that that's a great thing about cartoons you can project your own stuff into it and if and if that's what makes it great for you and if that's what makes you click buy now then yeah it's absolutely about joe biden oh i fucking love it you know what i mean

it's i i'm a whore i'm whatever you want me to be um in 2002 um or three when when uh greg glassman started giving away all the content from crossfit for free he always knew he was going to give it away for free he would do these seminars and they cost a thousand dollars to go to and he would film the seminars and keep giving it away free on youtube and people over in silicon valley were like hey we live just over the hill from there and um the investors would be like hey dude what the fuck are you doing giving away all your shit for free? And he goes, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

And, of course, he was right. People, even though all the stuff was free on the internet, they still wanted to come to seminars. And seminars exploded. It became the fastest growing chain in the history of the planet, growing faster than Subway, McDonald's, and Starbucks combined. You also are using that model. You're reading the entire books on the internet for free yep um and what was there ever like maybe that's not the best maybe i should just read three pages or did anyone tell you no you stopped giving your shit away for free or any concerns there a lot of people told me and every day every day somebody comments on one of my

videos and says why would I buy it? You just read it to me for free. I'm like, don't buy it. You don't have to. Right. If like Big Black Hawk has 10 million views. There's always going to when you get 10 million views on a product, but every one of my videos is a commercial for my book and i'm showing you the whole thing but you're still going to want to hold it you're still going to want to give it to your

friend you watch porn but you still want to have sex exactly um but you may not want to buy that video that you just watched right so so for me it's like i know that the law of of of of numbers always works to my advantage if i get 10 million views of me giving away a book i'm gonna sell thousands of copies of that book right so and they both work right i get paid by youtube for my views i get you know what i mean i'm monetized so if like i win either way i win if you don't buy the book maybe i only win a fraction of a cent from you but i still win something and i win if you do buy the book i win if the video goes viral and nobody buys the book and i win if the video goes viral and lots of people buy the book but it's never going to be 10 million copies sold because 10 million people watched it's always

going to be you know 10 000 copies sold because 10 million people watched, it's always going to be, you know, 10,000 copies sold because 10 million people watched and that's fine. In your, in a couple of the interviews, you talk about having a sort of a, I don't know if these might be my words, but a midlife crisis. Yeah. Can you tell me about that? Was that three or four years ago? That was when I, just after I turned 40. So 10 years ago. Yeah, about, yeah, about eight, about nine years ago. I, I, um, maybe, maybe like 41, 42.

I, I realized that, um, I was in the wrong marriage. I was in the wrong life. You know, I had kind of, um, maybe not. I, I had, I had been pretty good about making my own choices, but I got to a place where I just wasn't nuts about the choices that I had made. Um, but I also remember, you know, 10 years ago, wanting to become a comedian and not necessarily having, um, you know, the, the support that I needed to do it. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to upend everything.

And I blew up my life. Like, you know, I blew up my life. When you say you weren't making your own choices, could you give me an example of what that looks like? Well, I was, when I say that, I mean, like I was, I had fallen into a business that I had chosen to be in, but I, but I wasn't nuts about it. It didn't feel like having a clip art company was great,

but it didn't feel like what I really wanted to do. And I think I knew I wanted to be a comedian and, and, and turning 40, you know, is, is for a lot of people is a big milestone. I loved turning 40. You know, I, I mean, I, you know, I went to Vegas for two weeks, which nobody does. I did some crazy photo shoot when I turned 40. I had a lot of fun turning 40, but then I started evaluating, is this where I want to be? Would 15-year-old Brad be happy with 40-year-old Brad was the question I kept asking myself because for some reason, age 15 was a milestone for me. I don't know why know why in my mind I think I believed I became an adult at 15 and so I started asking myself you know would this person be proud of this person

so I made you wanted more fame or more money or more sex or more wisdom or. Yeah. Yeah. All of those things. Yeah. But, but I also wanted to be, um, happier and I, and I, and I, and I wanted to be surrounded by people who understood and, and, and, and were happy with who I was. Oh, okay. Meaning maybe your current wife wasn't happy with who you was. Oh, okay. Meaning maybe your current wife wasn't happy with who you were.

Right. Yeah. You wanted more acceptance from her. Not from her, from someone else. I didn't, I didn't, I was done. You know, at that point I was done and I just wanted to, I was ready to change everything. That sounds so scary getting a divorce to me.

You know what? It was, but it wasn't because I knew I wanted to. At some point, you make a decision to go into the void. You're like, I'm going to blow up my life. And this is not for everybody. You know what I mean? But it was 100% for me. And I made not for everybody. You know what I mean? But it was, it was 100% for me and I made a hard decision and it was when, like the decision was easy. The execution of the decision took a long time.

Meaning from town, from sitting down with your wife to selling the last bit of vector tunes. That was. Yeah. Yeah. It's like pulling taffy apart. Yeah, exactly.

It took eight years to do all of that um you know and and you know most of it was done in a shorter amount of time but but the unraveling of when you when you're like hey i'm gonna blow up my life in your 40s you know there's a lot of paperwork involved in blowing up your life at least you didn't have kids yeah i and i never i never wanted them yeah me neither um but i got three and it's dope yeah it is dope um no i got a vasectomy in my 30s i was i was hard no on kids um but but yeah when when you decide to do that you know the midlife crisis was just i want to make a change but then when you ask the people in your life, hey, would you be okay if I made this change?

And they're like, fuck no. Then you have to blow up your life to make the change. You have to decide, do I want the people or do I want the change? Yeah, people don't like it when you change. No. Even I sometimes have sympathy for obese people. The people around them don't want them to get thin. No.

No one wants to change. You're the average of your five closest friends. And if they're all fat, they're not going to be cool with you getting fit. Even if they say they are. Yeah, they won't be. All of a sudden, you'll get – they're not going to invite you to the wing night. They're not going to invite – you know what I mean? They're going to be, oh, well, he doesn't want to come because he's just going to sit there and eat celery.

You know what I mean? Who didn't want you to get a divorce, like your mom and dad? Oh, no, they were okay with it. Oh. Yeah. Who didn't want you to? My wife. Oh, right.

At the time. Does she thank you now? Oh, we don't talk. Oh. Not that we don't, you know, I don't want to get into it too much, but you know what I mean? It's not that we don't talk oh not that not that we don't you know i don't want to get into it too much but you know i mean it's not it's not that we don't speak it's just that we don't have anything to speak about we've closed our business you know i mean if if there's some you know last minute paperwork to be done but there's no you know we don't have check-ins or you know right right

annual birthday lectures or any of that kind of stuff You don't run into her at the local coffee shop. No, she moved away. She moved to another province. Province. And then you got married. Why did you get married again? Because I've never been happier. Ah. And I'm 100% sure.

You know what I mean? It's like you may make choices in your 20s that are based on external pressures and what people expect. Or, you know, you've been with someone for a long time. They want to get married. You make a choice. So, yeah. Six, five.

That's me. I can't even fucking believe it. I would love to know what that's like. It's not a fair world, Brad. It's not. And, you know, I include tall in my privilege stack. to know what that's like it's not a fair world brad it's not and i you know i include tall in my privilege stack you know what i mean when i when i tell people you know about my my various privileges being tall is is like i would rather be uh you know tall and mexican than short and white um right right right right oh yeah yeah when i have no i i am so disgusted by some of that talk like when people are like would you rather be a black man or a white man i mean

i would would you rather be a five foot five armenian guy with a big nose who gets stopped in secondary if he has a beard or would you rather be black guy shut the fuck up and on top of that would you rather be privileged like hunter biden so your life can go that way or would you rather be privileged like jay-z yeah the only the only person who who is still allowed to be victimized by body shaming is the short man thank you he's the only he's the only he is the last victim for body shaming left on earth i appreciate that yes we're made here to fuck and nobody wants a short guy but don't worry in the end. It's a race between the tortoise and the hare.

I think though, like everything, right? Those types of things affect your life. Like being tall, being tall has made me feel like, like I have a sense of entitlement from being a tall guy and I can't, I can't escape it. I feel

like the world just owes me something because I think that's fine. I can see above the crowd. I think it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I think being short has made it so that I had to work harder and I never had a one night. I never met a girl at a bar and picked her up and fucked her. And I never got AIDS and died and thank God for that. And I think it made me work harder. You never had a one night stand? No. Listen, Brad, when it takes the work for someone like me to get a girl, you don't just fuck them once. I put effort in.

It would be like if you wrote a book and then just been like, okay, I'm done with it and erased it off your hard drive. There's no fucking – it could be the worst sex ever and I'm doing it again. I just show up and take off my pants. Let's do this in the terror way. But I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing, which is the fascinating thing, right? So at 16, I asked my mom if I can get a nose job job at 20 she says yeah when you're 24 and your nose just stopped growing and when i'm 24 it's my greatest asset oh i love mine you know what i mean there's these

your hardship one day is your greatest gift the next day absolutely yeah absolutely and i you know i've met a lot of short guys who are extremely successful and they're usually very fit. You know, they, they put in the work because that's what, that's the cards that life dealt them. And they, you know, and, and I think, I think I think oftentimes like we all have these external forces, right. And they're all, they all affect us in different ways. And I think, you know i think everything is a gift if you figure out why it is a gift yeah i never had a one-night stand but i had a harem that's pretty good so so there yeah there's so there's balance in the um there's

balance in the universe balance in the universe god i want to i have another idea for a book. How the fuck am I going to share this idea? Have you been following any of the myocarditis cases? No, I don't even know what that is. Oh, okay. Perfect. Great answer. It's interesting who gets offended by your stuff. It's fascinating to me.

The only book that I've seen that might be like not offensive but hard for someone is if you had a child who died and then they saw the baby – the dead baby book. Dead babies? Yeah, I could see this like fucking – but nothing else I've ever seen that you've written is even remotely offensive and for someone to be offended by it it seems like it's such a stretch to me it's a choice you have to make to be offended and then you have to put in the work of someone who's offended yeah like spin the narrative up you're saying but oftentimes the people who get so what i find interesting and it's both sides right it's the conservative and the liberals oh yeah it's both yeah like i can't even believe it they can't figure me out because they're there you wouldn't believe how many like the exact same book it's like typical libtard bullshit or you

know and then somebody else would be like this guy's a right wing blah blah you know that like yeah like you know like both sides think i'm on there. I'm on the other side. And the most most people who get offended are white girls and they get offended on behalf of the POC. Right. So this this Chris area, Ashley. Oh, yeah. I googled her name, by the way. You got to Google her name.

There's it's all white girls who have this name girl name possible getting offended on behalf of the poc right like can't like you know what i mean it's and you know why she's offended for them right i don't know why because she hates them and instead of recognizing i don't know if i believe that i i don't know i don't know if i believe it either but i think it's the most simple 50 cent psychological narrative. She hates people of color. And instead of addressing it inside of herself, she's projecting it onto you. That's I mean, I don't think so. I really don't. I think I think these are just like when I was a teenager, my aggression and angst and anger was misplaced often because I was dumb. My frontal lobe had not been properly developed. So you take a 16-year-old white girl who's trying to be woke. She doesn't hate Black people. She really believes that racism is horrible, and it is.

But she's looking for it in the wrong places, right? So she comes and attacks the funny man who make, because we've created a world where a middle-aged white guy making any jokes about homosexuality, gender, or race is forbidden. So the minute I show up and do that, they're like, this guy's old and out of touch and I'm going to teach him a lesson. I'm going to leave him a one-star review without a verified purchase label. And I don't think she hates Black people. I think she really hates racism.

And I think she's chosen that as her cause. When I was a teenager, I chose animal rights as my cause. And I believed everything that I believed in my soul. You know what I mean? And I think she's just misplaced her anger. I really don't soul you know what i mean and and i think she's just misplaced her anger i really don't you know what i mean i don't think she's racist and i don't like you know all the white emily's that get offended on behalf of the poc

they they're all the same they're just misplaced anger and i don't fault them for it i'll go with that misplaced anger i'll go with that i'll i'll go with doesn't hate uh for it. I'll go with that. I'll go with that. Misplaced anger. I'll go with that. I'll go with doesn't hate people of color. I'll go with misplaced anger. There's something inside. She's really pissed off about. Yeah. About her own shit. Yeah, I like that.

Or I'm her dad. Right. Right. Which I think a lot of the time people lash out at me because I remind them of their dad who they can't yell at. Right. Their dad does not have a youtube channel they can comment anonymously on um so they come to me yeah and that's why i always say stop putting me on a pedestal with your dad because but here's the funny thing you could if

you go to my youtube channel right my my like featured video on my youtube channel is called how i got the n-word pass which triggers them even more right but that whole video is me talking to black people on the internet complete strangers and sharing my racist books with them the books that get called very offensive to poc which is clip clop the racist horse cop my racist grand my racist dog if i was a black person and i was concerned about racism i would see your books as the exact opposite i would be like wow this is cool this guy's bringing attention to these issues that well that's what that's how they see it it's always the white emily's that get upset right but you know when when i write like when i write about

a certain group of people whether it's whether it's homosexual, whether it's race, whatever social subject I'm attacking in that moment, even people who have been victims of abuse, right? Some of them love Why Daddy Hits Mommy. Some of them hate it. But usually the people who the white Emilies think they're getting offended on behalf of are not bothered. Right. Right. So they're getting on like they're not only are they not bothered, they feel supported by your books. It's the exact opposite. Yeah. Yeah. When when like when I do live, I do book readings on in comedy clubs. It's black people laughing at the jokes.'s you know when i when i when i say you know like i live in a in an area that's heavily populated with indian people and when i

there's a one of my you know one of my jokes in one of my books is about uh it's race wars and it's about cars and i say brown cars parents don't approve of his career who laughs the brown people right right they i think i'm they know that i that They know that that's a true stereotype. The true stereotype. That's the thing. Somebody said in one of my videos that my stereotype about Asian people incites violence. And I was like, well, how exactly? And he said, well, you say that they're smart.

And I'm like, okay. And how does that create violence? Well, that creates pressure on Asian kids to be smarter and their parents may be violent with them. And I'm like, so you think I wrote a book and I created the pressure to do well academically in the Asian culture from my book. Like, you really think I did this? And, you know, it's white people trying to figure out why it's racist and trying to tell me how I'm inciting violence. But no Asian person is going, oh, my God, my parents beat me because I got a B plus on my test. And it's your fault.

Like, none of this is happening because of me. So, you know, everybody almost unanimously, every once in a while, there's some black person who's like, you know, and if they decide it's racist to them, then they can, that's, I have no control over that. I have no control over your feelings. Right. So there's, there's always going to be somebody who's like, that's racist. And there's always going to be someone who says that's funny. The great thing is you're all talking about me. You're all helping me sell books. You want to call me racist. You're bumping my books. You want to call me racist. You're bumping my engagement. You want to,

you want to tell me it's funny. You're bumping my engagement, good or bad YouTube, tick tock, Instagram. They don't care. Your comment is a point. I don't think though,

the Asians are the smartest. I think that there's been ample studies that show it's Ashkenazi Jews. Just by the way, if you want to get for those of you out there there who – I think Asians maybe have good work ethic. Side note. Different cultures prioritize education more than others. Yeah, but I do think that Jews – I think there have been some studies that Jews have some giant brain shit going on right i look i dropped i dropped out of high school so my you know my my culture's priority my my mayonnaise culture priority on education was way down here

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we do a live call and show some of my guests, keep the number and call in. I thought it was one of my guests, but it was just spam. All right. Jack jackasses at least it wasn't your car warranty about to expire right oh yeah yeah i do get that one wow yeah hey is that true um one time i was outside the um the the the the rec center at uc berkeley um there'sloads of foot traffic at UC Berkeley, thousands of people everywhere. And I had just gotten out of working out there, and I was standing out front, and there were kids everywhere. And across the street from me, a three-lane road all going one way of cars, there's a little Asian woman who's probably 40 years old beating the shit out of her fucking daughter.

I assumed it was her daughter who was probably like this 17 year old girl slapping her like this brad with the forehand and then the backhand it was crazy that wasn't that wasn't her mother that was her pimp that wow fuck i didn't even think about that so there's people walking by and no one's doing shit. And this goes on for like three minutes. Finally, I put my shit down. I ran across the street and I stood between them. And I just fucking told this lady. I said, hey, dude, if you hit this girl again, I'm going to make you go unconscious.

Wow. And then I told the girl, you walk that way. And mom, you walk that way. And they walked. But I didn't even know. Is that a cultural thing that Asian kids beaten for not doing good in school i'd never heard i don't know i just made it up oh okay because somebody told me that i'm inciting violence and so i'm like okay and then that's that was the line that they drew so that you know so there's no there was there was no

truth right right okay okay sorry i think. Sometimes I take shit too literally. Yeah. I mean, if I could write a book that would make parents beat their kids and I could get some publicity out of it, I would probably write that book. Just if I'm honest. I mean, I'm just, like I said, I'm here for the money. So. I really appreciate you coming on. You um made for kids did you see any links on here that just must be seen um caleb we want to finish with anything anyway uh um you you're an enormous inspiration because i think you're doing the job that fucking tons of people would love to do Be a creative get on to the internet Um, you have it seems like you have a pretty good approach through tiktok through this trippy website that i'd never even heard of before I went on it last night. It kind of scared the shit of me omegla. Oh, yeah omegle

How did you find that that's basically you just go it said there were 28 000 people on it Aren't you scared a little nervous basically you just go it said there were 28 000 people on it aren't you scared a little nervous when you go on there of what i don't know that just you're gonna have to interact with people oh that's i love that you do love that yeah it's it you know think of it this way right i mean it's it's a free audience and it has zero threat you know what i mean if i go to a comedy club, someone could throw a beer bottle at me. Someone could rush the stage and punch me out.

You know, I'm here in my basement. I go on Omegle. The worst thing you can do is say mean things to me. And, you know, I've had every mean thing possible said to me. So I go on there and I film people's reactions to my content and it's unlimited content for me. It's unlimited content for me it's free content so from here if i hit allow people will just start popping up in this window and being with us yeah where you hit where it says stop you can just you just get a new chat a new video chat

partner every time you hit the stop escape button there um it'll it'll just like you just skip and you're on to the next person it's like it's like uh tinder for video chat there see oh so that guy didn't like the way i looked and just and just he skipped you yeah skip me yeah so so do i have to push a button for someone new to pop up here we go you're another stranger yeah they just yeah they just pop up on there yeah if you hit that little escape button the bottom next to the chat box on the left oh i can't for some reason i can't hear him um i can hear him so these are just some dudes just smoking weed that's a pretty common thing i find on omegle is four four brown guys on a bed actually a very very common thing i don't know why but

can i mute that oh oh i just clicked the picture and it went to the next skip them. They're gone. Oh, they skipped you, I think, but you hit that little stop escape button. So these are people from all over the world. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. So, and then of course there's always the porn ads. That's pretty typical. Oh, I got to push escape twice yeah yeah and then and so then i so then i match with a stranger a lot of the time they know who i am um or i match with a stranger and i say i'll try to make you laugh and then they're like okay you know everybody

loves that challenge and then i show them some books and then i i filmed the reaction and i post it on all the channels so me and this dude are just having a staring contest right now looks like it yeah he has the biggest neck i've ever seen oh yeah you do have a fucking incredible neck wow yeah bye nice to meet you no one really says bye though on here no they just skip you oh that's kind of scary you got the face blocked you may get to some you may see some nudity you may get to some some actual penis so be careful just saying i see a lot of dicks sometimes wow

and there are and there are full you know one of the things i find funny is that when i go on omegle, I find a lot of teenagers. You know, I find a lot of 15, 16 year old boys, girls that I'm talking to that I read books to that I get, you know, I get their reaction. And then people are like, oh, my God, this guy's a pedophile. He's reading these books to kids. And it's like, if you spent an hour on Omegle, you would know that I'm the most wholesome thing they're gonna find that night right like the number of pedophiles actual pedophiles on omegle waiting to waiting to talk to those kids is unbelievable they're serious yeah they're naked they're actually

video if you go on youtube and you search for a omegle, you're going to find there are videos where guys have like, you know, they'll set a girl up in a little room with, you know, low cut top and she'll, she'll go on there and talk to a guy and she'll be like, I'm 15. Is that okay? And he'd be like, yeah, that's fine. And she'd be, and you know, and then he'll ask her to take her clothes off, you know, and then boom, something, then it'll switch to some guy, some, some, you know, YouTuber in a, in a fake cop outfit. And he's like, you're, you know, and, and like, you know, there are guys out there trapping the pedos and there are so many of them. Like there's, you know,

it's like trying to catch mosquitoes on a hot summer night. You know what I mean? It's like, they're so easy to find and there's like, you know, they literally want to, they, they, they want to ask these underage kids to take their clothes off or they're all the the pedophiles already masturbating he's already exposed himself to a teen he's already committed a sex crime the minute they match you know what i mean so it was interesting how there were so much sorry sorry go ahead no go ahead it was interesting how there were so many um

like indian looking guys on there pakistani looking guys it's a time of day thing if you go on late at night you'll find more um north american um european you know kids um it's you know there are a lot of people in india um uh there's another one that i go like that there are a lot of people in india there are a lot of people in india with with webcams um uh uh yeah but but for the most part you know it's it's like late at night it's it's kids it's you know teenagers uh bailey you're it's funny you say that your kids how old are your kids they've probably already been on there oh shit you know you think they're not going on there they've probably already they probably already know about it you know my 13 year old daughters they they're like you know oh yeah we just got a VPN and we blah, blah, blah. We do this and then we go in and we close all these pop-ups and then we're in.

They know how to navigate the internet. And I'm a programmer. They know how to navigate the internet probably a little bit better than me. So you'd be surprised what your kids are already doing. what your kids are already doing um but you know but especially in a lockdown time these these like omegle was on fire during that sort of first two months of corona like that's all the kids could do they couldn't hang out so you'd go on there and be like 200 000 people who owns that who owns that it's a china company of some kind i don don't know. Of course. Fuck. Wow. Are they the biggest ones in that market, in that space where you just live chat?

Yeah. Yeah, I guess the time of day thing is accurate what you're saying because the videos you have where you're on there, I didn't see anything like that, what I just saw. Well, I usually cut that stuff out. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make it um jesus you're so negative you're so negative travis you're so negative pedophiles on it yeah i i don't know who owns it but i think it's owned from it's owned out of china but it's um i mean look it's it's gonna fucking explode. I'm telling you, that's like the, that's the future.

Unfortunate. Well, I don't know if it's unfortunate, who might've judged, but that's the future. What we just saw right there. It's been around for quite a few years. And before that, there was a website called chat roulette. They've been around for over a decade, did the same kind of thing. It seems like a total stoner activity if you're in college. Yeah.

Yeah. Sit around a room with five of your friends and a lot of drunks, if you're in college. Yeah. Yeah. Sit around a room with five of your friends and a lot of drunks, a lot of high people. Absolutely. Yeah. I really appreciate you coming on. Great pleasure to meet you. What a great thing you've done.

Inspirational, making a living, loving what you're doing. Um, why did you come? Why did you come on this show? If you don't mind me asking, I come on every show you do.

Okay. I take every opportunity thrown at me. I don't care how big your audience is. I don't even look. I, I, I feel that every podcast is worth doing. Every interview is worth doing.

Every conversation is worth having. And I appreciate this one because you dig deeper than most people do. So I like that. But yeah, I'd like to say than anyone, than most people do. So I like that. But yeah. I'd like to say than anyone, if you don't mind. What's that? I'd like to say than anyone, if you don't mind. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah, you did actually, you know, I've had, I've had a, I can, I can, I've done probably 40 podcasts this year and I can count on one hand, the number that were like, you know, I'm going to tell you, I was the other other the ones i watched that you were on before were painful and the one good one from the guy who was the publication one he annoyed the fuck out of me because he wanted to paint you into a corner right right and and and i appreciated how you kind of unpainted yourself out of it i like him you know uh but but the you know a lot of them and i can tell in the first five minutes of a podcast if it's going to go well or i'm going to cut out in 20 minutes um

by how i'm introduced because the bad podcaster you know what the bad podcaster does tell me a little bit about yourself yeah for the people who don't know you i'll fucking kill you if you say that that's your job it's a can of soup don't ask it to open itself go over there and open it handle it it's your guest handle them and pick the things you want to talk about yeah come to me with a bit of research now i know we're gonna have a good time if you're like like i know you don't have any show notes if you're like like, tell everybody a little bit about, for those of us who don't know, including you, you fuckwad. Yeah.

Like, you know, this is, this is how we're going to do this. And so those usually end up ending quickly. But, you know, when people do the research and they put in the work, it's a lot more fun because, you know, they have real questions. Yeah. Appreciate that. they have real questions. Yeah. Appreciate that. You're, you're, you're a remarkable role model in a, in a, um, in a time, you know, from, from the artistic perspective, from the art perspective, from being creative to doing what you want with your life, to putting out real content, to having lots of different mediums. Uh, it's just cool. And you're doing it. You're,

you're in a tremendous success story. Anyone who doesn't, uh, I just wanted to share when I saw you, I'm like, man, this, this guy's doing it. This is what all the podcasters you've ever been on their podcasts. They're you're doing what they, they want to be doing. Everyone wants to be making a living doing what they want to be doing. Anyway. So brilliant. Uh, you have my phone number. Um, if anything i could ever do for you interesting coming down again talk about a book we don't have to do two hours you want to come on for 15 minutes read anything um it i just i just love being a part of uh so much success thank you i appreciate that and um hopefully our paths cross again i'm sure they will all right brad all right peace thanks brother thanks And hopefully our paths cross again. I'm sure they will. All right, Brad.

All right. Peace. Thanks, brother. Thanks. Man, that Omegle app fucking spun Travis all up. He got all freaked out. I was a little stressed in the background. I've seen before those people just throwing their

dicks out on that on that app but it's funny uh i actually had a lot of pages today travis one two three four five but i was not nervous at all today today i was so fucking excited to meet this guy because oh i didn't even i wanted to ask him if he has knockoffs if he has thieves like people who are stealing his ideas oh look at i get it yeah that shit hit too close to home word i feel you brother okay fair fair enough so yeah that i know it is it's uh so last night when i pulled up that site i could i couldn't didn't even have the balls to to do what i did today i felt a little safer with caleb and that dude here and all you guys watching i did not feel safe doing that last night i was like i'm not doing it i'm not doing it uh um oh you uh what question i didn't know what question you asked i'm just what you're i don't mean to disappoint you you're a good dude you've never disappointed disappointed me. I mean that, by the way.

I fucking love working with you. Early on the chat about sexualization. I missed it. Ask me again. Was it for him? I think it was about your thoughts on whether or not it's the sexualization of kids or whatever. These books? Yeah, something like that.

I mean, they're clearly not for kids like if you read this to your fucking kid dead babies a serious a series of short life stories you're a douchebag that omegla is not for kids that is not for kids that that is um here's the thing too here's where i mean he was definitely canadian you can feel the socialist side of him i want i should have asked him about tall poppy syndrome your kids don't have to be on that i don't agree i don't agree with him maybe i'm just naive but just don't give your kid a phone, dude. Like, just watch your kids.

I'll probably learn about it eventually without you even having to tell them. Yeah, wait until they're like – maybe when they're 50, they're like me, they'll learn about it. They're illustrated books that look like kids' books. Oh, so you think it's like putting McDonald's in a Happy Meal? You're kind of like – there's poison in that box, but they're selling it to kids because they've designed it to attract kids. I guess. I just think it's the parents' job to – the thing is, though, if I read this to my boys, do you know what they would think if I read this to my boys? Mike Hunt smells like fish. They would think that Mike Hunt smells like fish because he's a fisherman. They take it literally?

Of course. Yeah. Of course. Of course. literally of course yeah of course of course i could leave this book i could read this book to my kids and i maybe i will read this book to my maybe i will read this um book to my kids so that like in 15 years i mean have you ever go back and watch the old bugs bunny cartoons are you fucking kidding me yeah no i agree i was thinking when you when you made that simpsons reference yeah it's nice stuff recently and be like wow i watched the kid yeah i watched shrek with my kids but you're too good this is fucking completely inappropriate and then i'm like oh they have no fucking clue not they have they have they have no clue there but

but travis that being said there might be some mean, there is some shit in here like like this dead babies. I'm not reading this to my kids. We drive by. Listen, it's from I feel we drive by a cemetery every day. My kids are like there's really dead. I mean, they want to go. They want to go in there. There's a lot of questions. Why do people die? Are they really underground there? Why do we save them? Can they hear you? I mean, it's they got to let that. And that cemetery triggers the fucking their thoughts going big time i want to be triggered i want to be triggered and i want to be used wait till they find out about cremation yeah why don't they burn them why do they put them on fire let me see i got a uh um uh i don't understand jr just text me i don't understand.

JR just texted me. I don't understand the text. Oh, we got to figure out the internet issues. We're not going to be able to stream the Zello games if we don't have fast internet there. Got to get that fixed. Oh. I'm trying to schedule to get Rich and... Oh, I'm trying to schedule to get Rich and Angelo on.

So, guys, something kind of crazy is about to happen here. I'm going to try to just start doing two-a-days for like a couple weeks. I'm going to try to get just shitloads of CrossFitters on here in a row. I thought Sevan just had a stroke. No, I was reading. That's what I look like when I'm reading text messages. A stroke, motherfucker. I'm the paragon of health, fitness.

All right. Yeah, more rich. I agree. I i agree it's been a while hey that that video that's going around about matt fraser everyone's making fun of on the stair stepper if you watch that whole video um or he he's doing a couplet with that stair stepper and then and then sitting in the pike position on the ground and doing presses. And I've never done that my whole life. Anytime I've ever done shoulder press, I sat in one of those little chairs at the gym. You know what I mean?

Right. It like matches the bench. It's like the same padding and shit. Yeah. For back support. So last night I took, while everyone was making fun of that video, I was like,

Oh, I'm going to fucking do that. I didn't, I don't't have the versa climber that he released but um i did a assault bike and uh and then i sat and i got 20 pound dumbbells and i sat in that l position i thought it would hurt my back but it didn't i was actually able to sit like that why is everyone um it is just a versa climber right yeah it's like a revamped versaclimber i think it's just it's not the machine people are making fun of it's just um the fact that matt's doing it or or the fact that it's kind of how it's presented like if we saw matt on a versaclimber we'd be like damn that shit's fucking hard like if it was in the corner of a sweaty gym and he

was doing the versaclimber like everyone yeah like if he's my versaclimber thrusters what i like that silver like whatever yeah yeah yeah if he would have i i think it's the way it was filmed so if he was doing that thing and it was like an in in it was like an infomercial look at the the rotation 3000 and it was like matt spinning around in 360s and it was on it and it had like you know i think people would be like oh my god matt's lost his mind he's selling cheesy shit i i don't think that uh i i really think that people have that misplaced i mean the shit people are doing is funny as shit what hillar did is fucking hilarious and what wad zombie did is fucking hilarious but i don't think once again it's just that the machine

he's branding it like how Mayhem brands their branches of programming I think that's and those lights in the background and just the way he was talking while he was doing it like a jazzercise class

it looks so cheesy yeah but I think that he could rework that and just the way he was talking while he was doing it like a jazzercise class. It looked so cheesy. Yeah. But I think that he could rework that. Matt, I want to help you rework that so that it's – I want to help the guys kind of redesign that machine so it looks a little more like rugged. Because everyone knows the VersaClimber has got to be one of the hardest machines out there. But it just had this Bowflex feel to it the way Matt did it.

And I'm sure that wasn't his idea. I'm sure someone's like, this is how it sells. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone be cool to Matt. Just chill. Just chill. He's just making money.

Well, yeah, but like I i said i got something from it i did those presses have you ever sat like that caleb just on the ground and done presses oh with no back support okay well i'd never do that i got that idea from it it's like okay that's cool uh it doesn't matter how difficult it is people would make fun of uh anyone on a verse i don't know really i don't i don't think anyone fuck versaclimber is a fucking gnarly machine you don't fuck with people who do that it's like the rower but worse some guys that like trying to climb everest and shit like that and their programming is like hours on the versaclimber like it's no it's no bullshit but definitely the way it was

presented could have been better yeah like i've never poo-pooed the versiclim oh here here let me let me just show you this real quick this will be a good example so do you have to go caleb no okay so so so here here here's the versiclimber in a gym it's a youtube video and it just shows um killer fitness so when i actually get on the machine yeah look at this is more casual let's see if we can get him on it so in look at in every second counts john wellborn has his brother really caleb you're fucking up my whole story my whole story bro okay go ahead oh my god caleb's ruining my bit uh okay versus this caleb i'm gonna give caleb wants to laugh so i'm gonna give him something i mean this is uh i don't know wait hold on let me see where can i go uh is this youtube okay i'm not fucking doing this bit let's see 30 never okay Let's see this one.

Is that the race car driver? Danica Patrick. Looks like it. Well, okay. Fuck this in, in, in every second counts. Uh,

John Wellborn has his brothers do the Versa climber and, and no one made fun of it so i i just i just think that matt um i think i think just it was presented it was it would be like having a pink harley davidson it was just weird he looked like like jillian michaels i know the poor guy was getting so torn up like jillian michaels i know the poor guy who's getting so torn up but but but but he was the guy who used to say he did the stair master and people started off making fun of that and they came around to that i mean fuck i really want one yeah to be fair like firefighters have been using the stair master for years

so i mean maybe just because matt said that matt the big old crossfitter said he did his chair master everybody thought it was stupid did you see wad zombie what he did yes so good so good so good i'm gonna have to try to call that number and see what i get such douche but what's funny is this phone this um the phone for uh the podcast does not get spam for some reason that was the first time god the guy sounded like such a douche bill collector didn't he yeah he did oh here okay Oh, here. Okay, let's see. LeBron versus Clymer. But LeBron's – listen to LeBron's workouts. Okay, go ahead. if you call right now and order the hwpo programming you will get matt frazier's fun busting program completely free oh dude it's the headset he even mad even had the headset on come on maddie come on man not your headset but but here's the thing lebron lebron's a douche when it comes to

working out have you ever seen any of his workout videos where he's squatting or doing any of that stuff i mean it's you can't even believe it's that that an athlete moves like him like you can't believe it's the same guy who plays basketball and does all that crazy shit because he looks horrible in the gym yeah Yeah. I mean, horrible athlete workout. Yes. Yes. They're just so stiff and they're not athletic at all. Uh,

you can get full extension on a versaclimber or used to not the little up and down hand movements, which do look kind of silly. Okay. That's what I was laughing at. Whereas the pegboard is kind of like, well, not really.

Matt is coming after Billy Banks. Is that the Taibo dude? I think so. Yeah. It does those like workout videos. Look at, look, we got, we got, uh, um, out videos look at look we got we got uh um uh look at we got uh we got travis back on track all right good he's all better yeah yeah we should good good good he's back on track all right guys um who do we have on tomorrow morning where's my phone oh i

turn my phone off i can't even see my calendar do you do you see do we have on tomorrow morning? Where's my phone? Oh, I turned my phone off. I can't even see my calendar. Do you see who we have on tomorrow morning? Oh, we have Gabe on. Oh, Gabe. Yes. Awesome. Tomorrow morning, Gabe Subri. It's our affiliate show from CrossFit 209.

And then in the evening, we have Patrick Vellner coming on. I i'm trying to get it's only going to be an hour with patrick i'm trying to get someone to come on for an hour before him uh i've sent out some text i don't want to tell you who you guys will just make fun of me and yeah so tomorrow's going to be fun tomorrow's gonna be the beginning of of some shit that's about to get really busy uh gabe subry pat fellner and a ufc update show then we have a a lady coming on named kim decario decaro she's she's a blind crossfitter. Then the next day we have Blade coming on. That's the police officer here in California. We're going to break down another video, cop video. It says we have Jared Grabieliel on king of online crossfit but we don't have jared coming on

so we had him come on on tuesday it's almost good he's not coming on oh i don't know who scheduled that it's in the calendar is that it's not the zilla games because that one's later on. Yeah, that must be a mistake. Then we have Nick Matthew. Then we have Chris Wark, author of How He Cured Himself of Cancer book. Then we have the Rogue Invitational Programming Show. Bryson Gray, the most censored rapper in history.

We have cool shit coming up. All right. Yeah, Patty B. Spiegel, thank you. 1999 as always. Oh, go to vindicatevndk8.com and get all your CEO gear. You'll be happy.

It's fun. It's great shit. I get tons of compliments on it. Caleb, thank you.