The Sevan Podcast - #677 - Dale Saran

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

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Yeah, what's up? Can you hear me? Yeah. Dale, when you were on the Brett Weinsteininstein podcast you had your shirt button and now you're on my podcast and you're all casual and shit yeah that's intentional uh dale caleb caleb dale how are you that's me dale uh dale caleb is deployed in an undisclosed uh location somewhere in the in. Oh, sweet. He comes on here every morning. It's not morning

for him, but he comes on here every morning with me. Oh, so what is it, like 3.30 in the afternoon there or some shit? 6 p.m. Oh, jeez. Allison NYC. Hi, Dale. Holy smokes. There's a blast from the past. Wow. How are you?

Before we start with the great Dale Saran, who has a pretty amazing just life, military career. And then, as I know him, and maybe the fourth or fifth iteration of his life, when he showed up, well, actually, maybe showed up before me even. when he showed up. Uh, well actually maybe showed up before me even, um, we crossed paths. He was the general counsel at a CrossFit Inc and we worked together for more than 10 years. Very, very, very, very closely. Uh, I want to say a couple of things. I don't, um, believe in, uh, transparency in people's lives that that seems to be a buzzword. When they fired Dave Castro, there were people putting a lot of pressure on Eric Rosa to, um, be transparent and say why he fired Dave, even though I'm no fan of Eric Rose, I thought that was bullshit. If Dave wants to say why he got fired, Dave could say. I just use that as an example of like, not everyone owes

transparency. I don't owe transparency to anyone because I'm just my own person. That being said, I want to tell you something because it's been a quite the remarkable week here at the Sevan podcast. 90% of all the money that I've made from this podcast. And I say this to you guys, because I want to share this with you because you guys donate have donated so much money to me. And the show has generated money. 90% of that money that you guys send to me goes to raising my kids. It either goes to paying my mortgage, for their whatever they need i have the entire time of doing this show i haven't bought a pair of underwear a pair of socks i've done nothing with your money except help raise my kids the other 10 are just stupid little checks that i send for a hundred dollars to caleb here and there or to matt souza or that we use to buy computers

or microphones and i can't tell you how appreciative I am of that. Like you have, you are helping me raise my kids on a level that's, uh, I take so fucking seriously. Every dollar you guys have ever sent me goes to the most serious thing I do in my life and what brings me the most pleasure in my life. And that is my three sons. And I not only use that, um, to help my sons, but it, it, it leaks off on shitloads of other kids. If I may say in the most humble yet most arrogant thing I'm going to say, every kid that crosses paths with my kids, it's a blessing for those kids. And when my kids are in the classes with those other kids, those kids all benefit from the money that you're paying that allow my kids to be in tennis, skateboarding, jiu-jitsu, music, all that. And I want you to know that all of that money goes to individuals in my area that are basically small

business owners. These are individuals who've dedicated their lives to help take care of kids, to help raise kids, to make kids better people. So one of the things that you can think about every time you've given money to me, whether it's a dollar or a hundred dollars is it's going to some guy named John Smith who teaches kids tennis here in Santa Cruz, California, and you're putting food on his plate too. So I just want you to know that's the ecosystem that you're supporting. Uh, and, and I, and I really, really, really appreciate it. Wads on me. Thank you. One of the most consistent best donors we've ever had, uhby's next pair of chonies. Those are underwear, I think.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I wasn't sure that that five bucks for chonies was that you can just give you like for hand grenades. But just so you know, in the last 10 days, without a doubt, the foremost powerful people in the CrossFit ecosystem, people that probably you might not even know their names, have either texted me or called me numerous times to tell me that we're absolutely murdering it. And this is pretty pretty damn uh cool uh uh and there's this core uh 200 of you that come on here every morning i know sometimes the numbers go up over a thousand but i know that there's the core couple hundred of you it's because of you and we've done it with positivity well we don't attack people uh for the most part um we look at things we look at things honestly and fairly and uh the podcast is being recognized by it but it just shows you once again the vocal mind the i don't know if i want to say the vocal minority but this you you guys have really you guys have really been uh profound uh happened on the Sevan podcast Instagram in the last 24 hours is, man, people always say it humbles me. It doesn't humble me. It flattered me. I don't know what that means when people say they're humbled. Like they accept the Academy Award and they go, I'm humbled. What does that mean?

Isn't it I'm flattered and I'm proud. I'm humbled when someone punches me in the face. I'm flattered and I'm proud when what? I got humbled last night. I'm sitting here kind of half lit. I'm like, I wonder if seven can tell I'm listing to the right. I got a guy drill me playing hockey last night. I think he separated my shoulder. I felt like, Oh, he smashed me. He took advantage i

was in a really vulnerable spot i played in no check league you know and this guy just i i subbed in it was 10 20 last night one of the guys who runs the league calls me she's like hey we need subs can you come play and the rake's about 15 minutes up no check league dale means that they're not supposed to do that they're not supposed to do that and so i was i didn't brace myself because i didn't anticipate it was like a 50 50 puck between us and i reached out and i was leaning down and i was cutting away from the guy to try and not smack into him you know yeah yeah and and he took advantage of it and was like just unloaded on me like it was like we were why how is that cool does everyone kind of boo him

no well you know the guys on my team were like crazy the refs missed it i mean it's tough you know it's it's beer league hockey at 11 but you get some guys who tell you you know how it is you got people who in wads you know why are people cheating in wads where it's like you're never going to be in the games you know the scouts scouts aren't here. You know, Noble is not here to sponsor you. You're never, you're never going to compete. But yet, why do people do that? Right. Yeah.

It's I mean, we know the answer. The answer is ego, of course. Dickheads. Yeah. That well, yeah, that's a short. So explain this to me. It's 10 o'clock at night and you get a text. Hey, can you come play hockey?

So you go out there at 11 p.m. No, it was earlier in the day. They out a little call to to some of us and they're like hey the c league they're you know the teams are it's tough to keep the league running and you know friday night ice hockey right yeah okay yeah and so i earlier in the day they're like hey anybody who can make it we're going to be short both teams need guys blah blah blah and so middle of the day i talked to you to, you know, the wife. I'm like, hey, what are we doing? You know, are we going out tonight or anything? She's like, no, no.

I'm like, well, are you all right if I go? You know, beer league. I wanted HGH league. Ken DeLapp. I probably should be in the HGH league. I'd feel a lot better today. But so, you know, I rogered up. I'm like, yeah, I'll go.

So once I commit, you know, I'm going to go out there. So it's 1020 at night. You know, go out there and win. Great game. It turned out, I mean, I rogered up. I'm like, yeah, I'll go. So once I commit, you know, I'm going to go out there. So it's 1020 at night, you know, go out there. Great game. It turned out we went to overtime. We lost in overtime, but still a good game. But I got drilled. I came in last night. I couldn't even sleep in my own bed.

I told my wife I came in. I was just like, she's sleeping. I dragged myself downstairs to the guest room because I couldn't I couldn't lay right. You know, my shoulders all jacked up. I've had it dislocated and popped out a few times, a handful of times, and separated. So I got a pretty good sense of what that feels like. And so right now I'm like, oh.

What quarter was that? What quarter? Yeah, did you get it? It was in the – I think it happened late in the second. And then were you out for the rest of the game? No, no, I played the rest of the game? No, no. I played the rest of the game.

Oh, my goodness. There's only one more period after that. Yeah, there's only one more. I mean, tough enough. There's only three periods in hockey? There's three periods, yeah. Oy. Yeah. Do you guys play 20-minute periods?

No, we play 12. 12-minute stop time. Caleb knows. He's a hockey guy. You can tell. He's got a hockey guy right all over him. He's got the hockey mustache, too. He's got the serious – yeah, look at that.

I watched him time. He's going for the Lanny McDonald porn stash special. I like it. Nice. Dale was recently on Brett Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. Yep. Oh, wow.

Look at this. I'll send you a link in the private chat. What? Allison NYC sending you some money?'s what is that what just popped up yeah that's what it looks like oh allison you're too kind thank you thank you thank you thank you good morning mr spin good morning good morning uh those can you give us the the bat so that by the way, can you just go to the homepage?

Look what he's done here. He's made it so that you're look at that. The podcast you did with him is the default podcast that automatically plays. A lot of people have hit me up over it. He's got a he's got a pretty, pretty good following. He's a nice guy, by the way. I spoke to him a good bit offline. It was really funny.

They do in their recording. Everybody's on a separate, they do each on a separate stream. And then, you know, I guess they engineer it. You know, you probably know better than I do about how that all works. They do that for picture quality. It records to your computer and then your computer sends it automatically to the post-production crew. Right. So, so afterwards we, we have to, they go, Hey, you need to finalize your, your stream. Something didn't go through. So you got to go in and finalize it. Right. So, so I log in and this guy, the guy right there, who's got the, he's got like Caleb's must help Caleb. That looks like he could be your brother, John Bowes there. It looks like he could be,

look at that. That's, I mean, that's airy like there's caleb's brother john so john bows is an air force pilot he's a captain good good guy and f-16 and um uh i he he's trying to direct me to log in right so we log in to finalize the stream and he's like okay i think you got it he logs off and i'm staring at what looks like it's brett just like that. And I'm like, I thought it was like the screen. So I'm just dicking around. Right. And then at some point, like he blinked or something. And I realized I wasn't looking at an image.

It was Brett was still logged in and sitting there. And John and I were talking. I go, have you been listening this whole time? And Brett's like, yeah, yeah, that's me. Not a mannequin. And so I got to, I got to spend probably, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes chatting with him afterwards. He's a super sweet guy. Did he come to life a little bit?

He's so – I was going to say stiff, but I'll choose a different word. He's so sober on the show. on the show he's he's um i think he takes his his uh science scientist kind of um role seriously and so he approaches it i noticed that about like some of the folks you know around the um the uh science thing with greg you know it's kind of that same trying to be dispassionate about whatever it is that you're investigating. So I think he I think he just tries to be as detached as he can from it. But he clearly cares, you know, and. Yeah. I wonder if it's because they're raised in that generation that our parents were raised in.

There's still a lot of people do it, too, that there is a posture of professionalism that they want to give. do it too that there is a posture of professionalism that they want to give i mean we see all these people who appeal to um uh you know the fallacy of appealing to authority in their argument but the doctor said and so i feel like that's kind of what he's doing he's like hey i don't he doesn't want to show any um chinks in the armor yeah and he wants to come across super professional but he wasn't like that off the air did you ever ever see him laugh? Uh, yeah, no, I had him cracking up afterwards. I got him a couple of good ones and he was, um, he had somebody who wanted some help with some other things. And so, you know, he introduced me to some other people, but he's, he's super nice. And he had, um, some other folks on, he did a series of those. So he's, you know, maybe the most mainstream guy, uh, who's talking about that

issue for me. So it was, uh, Oh dude, he's hugely popular. He's he, I mean, during the, um, definitely during the, um, heart of the, uh, whatever, whatever you want to call the pandemic debacle, he was the voice of anyone with sanity. He was the largest voice and most prestigious voice with sanity on the air, no doubt. If there is a tier of podcasts and Joe Rogan sits atop alone, right below him is this guy and some other guys. I mean, he's definitely, and it's cool that he used to be a lib and then he's had his shit unraveled, right? And then he's had his shit unraveled. Right. I've had several of those people. It's really interesting that I've had sort of lefty folks, maybe more than even so the right right who who have kind of reached out to me. And in this, there have been a lot more people, I think, on the left who probably got their eyes open, who were like, whoa, holy smokes. And so I find myself kind of talking to people I would normally have maybe been on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Although I don't I would certainly not on the right. I I'm now I'm full collapsitarian, man. Bring it on. I can't wait to look. I want it all to burn to the ground.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. I don't have any illusions that we're at the end of the empire, man. I don't. This is Rome circa Nero playing with the fiddle kind of thing. You know, we're we're at the end of the empire. We just have to, you have to kind of come to grips with it. You know, it's not, oh, the politicians ruined us and they brought us to this end. It's no, our culture kind of collapsed. And this is, yeah, there you go. Yep.

Become a libertarian for a few months until you realize the whole system is messed up. Then move on to anarchy where you want to change the system shortly after that. Become a collapsitarian and sit back and watch it while it all burns. What about the Constitution, Dale? As a document by itself, it's no good? It was a great attempt at something, but I got to say this. It's really interesting. Only recently I've been doing some reading i went back to read uh some things on the constitution and the and the founding of

it and all that and i have to say that the anti-federalists were correct that i think i think the anti-federalists who you know there's those famous documents and hamilton was one of the authors and and you know so are some of the founding fathers the federalist papers i don't want to tell me tell me yeah the Federalist Papers. Tell me. The Federalist Papers were a series that were written looking, arguing, making arguments about whether there should be a strong federal government. Before we had the Constitution, we had the Articles of Confederation. And the conception of the United States as an entity was that it was United States. And in fact,

in the old yeah, Madison J right. And the, the anti-federalists were headed up by a guy named Brutus who used the, the he used the pseudonym Brutus and And you should, hey, Caleb, check out, look up anti-federalists and Brutus. It's an amazing thing. All of a sudden you read the complaints of the anti-federalists who basically said, look, if you build a strong central government, you'll come to regret it.

That you'll lose all the individual autonomy of the states and what you'll have is elitist twats running things from washington dc yeah rudis was a pseudonym for one of the most forceful anti-federalist voices during the ratification debates over the constitution while scholars still debate the author of the brutus essays most believe they were written by new york anti-federalist robert yates yates was a new york state judge yeah if you go read the anti-federalists, they get no run. Nobody talks about them in civics, but if you read the anti-federalist stuff,

it would be impossible to come to any other conclusion other than that the anti-federalist papers were 100% correct about what would eventually happen. If you had a stronger and stronger central government, you'd eventually wind up where we are now. And so I've come to, you know, I spent my life, I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States, you know, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And then I had this epiphany recently, I was reading through all of this stuff, you know, historical stuff. And I realized that a lot of the things that are wrong are baked into the system. And we got here not by accident, you know. Is what you're saying scary scary no i'm not i don't nothing's scary to me anymore um what what about

okay because it sounds it sounds like it could be a little scary right you have kids in this world you have people oh yeah and you're saying that that the that the society is going to collapse yeah well scary you know i whoa um i'll say i don't i don't have that same sense for my children that i used to because like i can imagine that my mother and father i was born in 69 and you're you and i are pretty close you're like 71 71 or something. 72. Yeah. So I can well imagine that, you know, you have, you have a record recollection of the seventies and despite what kids are like, Oh my God, it's horrible. And racism horrible. And I'm like, Oh my God, you guys have no idea. Right. I just remember what, you know, it was like in like 70, I went to, in 1977, 1976 or 7, the federal district court judge in Florida was trying to carry out Brown v. Board of Education.

So Brown v. Board of Education overturned separate but equal, which is a case called Plessy v. Ferguson. So the Supreme Court said, yep, you can't have segregated schools separate, but equal as bullshit. Now we're going to have integrated schools, right? And that's Brown v. Board of Education. That decision actually came down in like the 50s. And then it bounced around because the federal courts were like, okay, well, now what do I do? Heidi said, remember the 70s, he was high as a kite. Eh, it's possible. Not yet, not yet not yet not yet not quite that was the 80s height yeah um but uh um the um so what happened was eventually it bounced around and then judges federal judges were told that like the south and the north i mean everywhere kind of dragged its

feet on integrating the schools right so so the Supreme Court says segregated schools are bullshit. That's illegal. Separate but equal is not the law of the land. Constitution doesn't dictate that. So everybody's got it. You know, we got to have integration. It's like, well, what does that mean? Because the reality is what no judges wanted to deal with is that we're segregated as much by maybe even more so by class than we are by race. Those are just proxies, you know, that we use. But I mean, I grew up, for example, like I grew up right next to the Hartford Projects. My mother was an orphan who grew up in the Hartford Projects. There are broke white people living right alongside the broke black people in the inner cities, you know.

And so anyway, in 70s. Lots of them. Lots of them. Yeah, lots of them, lots of them, lots of lots of them. And well, which which brings up an interesting point, a little diversion here. Only only on the Twitter victim stack can some kid who's the son of a orthodontist and a, you know, liposuction surgeon in Marin County. You know, he can be 19 and get confused about his sexuality. And now on the Twitter victim stack, he's up 19 and get confused about his sexuality. And now on the Twitter victim stack, he's up here and I'm a piece of shit because I'm a white male, even though

I grew up broke, joined the military, went to Afghanistan and, but I've got white privilege, you know, so only in the Twitter victim stack, do you, can you alter reality like that? Because in the real world, you know, where you fall, if fall if if it's true if the current lefty paradigm that that inner city blacks have it worse than anybody if that's the worst of the worst then you can judge what society really thinks about you based on where where you sit relative to the inner city project kind of reality right and so i lived right next door. So I knew, I knew exactly what society thought of me, even though I was white, you know? So in 1977, most people, you know, won't remember this and it's kind of a forgotten chapter, but Star Wars. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's

where I saw it down in Florida. We were living there. I was living in Florida and the schools had decided a federal judge said, well, we've got to integrate schools. And so this is when they started busing kids to different schools. And so me and my sister and about a dozen white kids who lived in this little apartment complex right on the edge of Winter Park in Orlando, they shipped us to this, bused us in to Hungerford Elementary School, which had previously been a segregated all black school. And so they took like, I don't know, there might've been 15 of us total in the whole school, white kids, and sent us to an all black school. And so if you want to, you want to see what angry and unhappy looks like, you know, and I was seven at the time. I remember coming home and I might tell my mom, you know, I was like, these kids hate us. They hate us. And I was like, and I didn't know why I wasn't, I wasn't mentally prepared for that. You know, I didn't have the context. What did I know? I was seven years old. Right. So I didn't understand anything about, you know, Brown v. Board. I just knew the black kids at school hated me and wanted to kill me. I was the only white kid in my whole class. Second grade. school, hated me and wanted to kill me. I was the only white kid in my whole class, second grade. My sister had, there was another two kids, like there was me and my older sister. She was three years older. And there was a boy and girl. She was closer to my age. And then he was similar to

my sister's age, but that kid got sent home in an ambulance. I mean, they beat that kid mercilessly. And I used to every day at recess spend almost all of recess running. And I mean, I did nothing from the start of recess. When we got out the door, it was like, it was on. Because the kids were picking on you. Oh, they wanted to kill me. They were, I mean, you know, they, they had a lot of hostility and anger and perhaps justifiably so, but you know, what did, I mean, it got taken out on me because I represented, you know, I was a white guy. I was, you know, what did I mean, it got taken out on me because I represented, you know, I was a white guy. I was, you know, maybe the first white kid a lot of them had seen ever.

You know, Thomas Sowell has written about this quite a bit. He's the black economist over at the Hoover Institute. And basically, one of the things he was saying is that and I only say the black because I think it's relevant to the conversation. It has nothing to do with his his credentials. relevant to the conversation it has nothing to do with his um his credentials he he basically said that if i understand correctly that they should have never forced the law like once it let went into play they should have let everything be and let it slowly happen he said because who suffered the most from that were all the schools that all had all the black students because and he shows the statistics soon as you brought in the white students all the test scores across the board dropped in those

black schools and he did say he shows that the highest test scores in the country at that time were coming from two all black high schools beating out all the white high schools and soon as they brought in the white kids it all got fucked up so it was this um it it was an idea it was a thought it was once again it was anti-science once again it was like hey the predictive value of what's best for these kids is this but we would rather have this because of our political ideology and they fucking ruined everything yeah you people would much rather have would much rather have the sense of righteousness of, uh, you know, to virtue signal. We didn't have that term back then. Then they would actually have a good outcomes. And I didn't realize Alison went to Jamaica Queens. Hey, Alison, I see this. I, I, when I lived in New York city too,

I went to all black high schools more than once in my life. And I tried to go to, I started out, I lived over in that same area and I went to, my mom used to work in Jamaica, Queens, which is a predominantly black part of New York city in Queens. And I live nearby. I was supposed to go to John Quincy Adams high school. And I went to try out for the football team, my junior year. And I was one of maybe 10 white kids to try out for that football team.

And they had the number one football team in the city. There were state city champs from the year prior. And so I went to try out for that team and that high school. And my mom came by to pick me up from practice one day tryouts. This is before schools even started in like August of 80, 85. And my mother shows up and she's like, Oh my God, she was not this again. And I didn't even,

she sent me all the way across the city to a magnet school, international baccalaureate school. And I used to have to drive into work with her in the morning and catch the bus across all the way to get to, to a flushing Queens to go to, to go to a Francis Lewis high school because it had an, you know, an international baccalaureate program so i could justify going across the city but she was basically like we're not i'm not doing this again like i'm not going through you being in an all all black school and and what that entails particularly in high school basically at the time since it was you were just getting beat up just get in the dog shit beat out of you uh uh uh kazabion joiner i went i went to a college in cleveland uh ms and the high schools were still what's ms mississippi mississippi

yeah oh cleveland missouri okay and the high schools yeah uh and the high schools were still segregated and forced to integrate in 2016. I think Haley was bussed around. I think my wife was bussed around in LA. Yeah. And what's famous about that is if you look back, the famous national images that come out of that are from South Boston High School. of that are um from south boston high school and of course i later married into southey to the irish when they bust all the black kids in from dorchester and they bust them into south boston and they had the riots and you know they the famous images in the boston globe are the high school kids at southey the irish kids throwing rocks at the bus with the black kids coming over

from dorchester and somebody oh it's you know terrible but But it happened in both directions. Of course. It's that kind of enmity is, you know, it's kind of baked into us. And which is why after all of that, like I remember Al Sharpton from the 80s when he was, you know, got a bunch of got a crowd ripped, whipped up they killed some Jewish folks in, in New York. And that guy's been a fraud and a race baiting piece of shit my entire life. And yet now these guys all, all sit, you know, sharped in, I mean, a whole bunch of them and they got a TV show. And so we're not, we're not here by accident. You know, there's, there's the,

the race baiters and all that um can't move on and and so we're like it's no one's willing to just stand up and uh call call bullshit on it you know so it's kind of it just keeps going and it keeps going and you know eventually it's gonna break it is interesting when people like morgan freeman denzel washington lil, Lil Wayne, Kanye do cool bullshit on the system. Look at what happens to them. Look how they get treated. But Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington survived it. Yeah.

You've seen the interview, right, with Morgan Freeman? Just destroy Don Lemon. Yeah. Destroy Don Lemon. Yeah. And by the way, those guys are heroes to me. Denzel is one of my favorite all-time actors. I think the guy's the shit, you know, and he's,

and he handles himself as a won't even do sex scenes with women or kissing scenes with women because, because he's married. What a stud. Yeah. Dude's a, yeah, absolutely. Dude is a straight up stud, you know? And I loved, I'll tell you who was, the eighties were interesting to me in that the biggest cultural icons of the 80s were, in my life, like, if you were a football player in high school,

I don't care if you're a white, black, if you played football in high school in the 80s, everybody's favorite player, everybody's idol was Walter Payton. You know, soft-spoken black guy, number 34 for the Chicago Bears. And I was a Pats fan, but Walter Payton you know soft-spoken black guy number 34 for for the Chicago Bears and I was a Pats fan but Walter Payton was the tits you know we all loved Walter Payton um the biggest name in music and pop culture was Michael Jackson correct Michael

Jackson was moonwalking his way over you know we don't have anyone like that anymore right and then right the other Bill Cosby was also the bill cosby was everywhere the whole country went silent when that show went on the air yep thursday nights 8 p.m and then and the other uh the other cultural icon of the 80s who dominated everything and who was beloved and i loved him for for one particular thing that happened was michael jordan right who didn't want to be like with no race talk back then dale almost none i mean it was going on it was here and there but but i never i never heard in the 80s once wow this is a show about a black family right it was just the cosby show we just watched

it my whole thing everyone watched the whole country went silent 8 p.m thursday nights yep yeah yeah it was it was as big as anything and my favorite part of all of that was there was a political campaign and this is why i i think it's broken we come back to the return to the issue of the anti-federalists and politics is that national politics in a federal government means that they makes everything a national issue you know something happens in podunk you know, North Carolina. Now it's a national issue because we've got national politicians and that's how they win these these federalized elections. So Michael Jordan, there was a black candidate running for North Carolina senator against a white guy.

And some black leaders, including Sharpton and others, wanted Jordan to come out and make some statements. I mean, this was Michael Jordan was God. He was the king of all. And just a word from him would move markets, you know? And one of the greatest lines he ever had, he became famous for, maybe a little infamous, is he wouldn't commit. He's like, I'm not wading into politics. And he was like, you know, and people were like, why? And straight as an arrow, Mike just looked at me and goes,

hey man, white people buy shoes too. And I thought like, wow, you wow you know like i remember that i was like i loved him for that because here was an opportunity people were intentionally trying to get mike to stoke up racial divisions and he kind of was like from a businessman perspective but he was like hey man we want you want me to hate on white people who do you think buying all my shoes and by the way it's an interesting it's always struck me as this interesting kind of schizophrenic aspect to Snoop Dogg. So here's Snoop now doing commercials with Andy Samberg and, you know, doing Corona commercials on the beach. I mean, Snoop's is, he's got his own, you know, strains of weed and all that stuff. And he's legit businessman. I love my, you know, God bless him.

But do you, I mean, how do you square that with his gangster kind of creds? You know what I mean? It's an interesting thing. Right. And yet, and yet it's, it's always struck me as interesting about the, the gangster, um, the gangster mentality is what is it, what is it seeking in the end? Right. They're always flashing bling and bills and commercial success and so baked into it is this idea at some point you're going to get you're going to get kind of amalgamated and yet you're somehow supposed to keep your street cred while being a businessman and all of that you know what i mean it's a it's an interesting it's an interesting thing that you can pull that off in america i mean i don't see anybody out there screaming that snoop's a hypocrite you know right well rappers and fighters have get some sort of and comedians get some sort of pass

right yeah uh if you're if you're if you're a rapper and you hit your girlfriend it's um you get a pass maybe even a little credit if you're a fighter and you hit your girlfriend it's um you get a pass maybe even a little credit if you're a fighter and you hit your girlfriend you know you get a pass and you get a little credit if you're a comedian you can't hit your girlfriend but you know you can say some crazy shit some fun shit you can point to some truths that other people can't point to yeah it's it's three interesting uh professions when i um i was thinking about this while listening to your podcast with uh brett it's weird that people's morality is now being dictated by where they work and it's scary that the u.s so if you get a check from the u.s government

now you kind of have to do everything your boss tells you. Standby, sorry. Caller, hi. Hi, yes, this is Paula with Prelegal with DMS. Look, I know this is the last kind of call anybody wants to get, but on this account, we have received no dispute, no tax forgiveness of debt form has been issued, and no arrangement has been received i just got one

question is your mom still mad at me for that is your mom still mad at me for excuse me i'm talking it's a scam it's a scam call it's just a robot talking i so bad wish it would have been a person oh i could have done some mom jokes on her damn it i was like we don't even have the live calling number up what is what is this i was like what the what is going hey i get this text uh um i get scam text all the time that this is the you're you know the watsonville courthouse you know you missed your date or this is amazon someone has purchased uh please push this link and and log i almost got i almost got they almost got they almost got me on one of those no it was a paypal one the paypal one looked so i was like oh yes i get

paypal requests in my paypal saying i need to pay shit yeah i was like what yeah that's funny uh so so so like nike for instance if you don't get the injection they fired you right yeah and and and then i was watching the thing with brett um weinstein and if you don't um if you don't get the injection the u.s military uh fucks with you fires you and i'm like oh wow these people's jobs are dictating their moral authority and it got me to start thinking and i'll just go straight there too brett was insinuating and so i i have to just make up what he was insinuating he was insinuating the entire podcast that this is a what's what we're witnessing is a psyop to make the u.s military unready for battle yes he he kept he kept going there and i was trying to be you know it's funny it's like people it's almost like people are like poke poke

poke to see i was like how many times is this guy gonna poke me and does he is he want me to say what i really like does he really want me to go there you know like of course it's not an accident you know i was like of course it's you can't, you couldn't possibly believe that it was an accident. And I'll tell you what, I told him this. It's funny, I was thinking of this conversation when I was telling you earlier about we had this conversation, I told him privately, offline after the thing, and I go, he brought it up again. And I go, Brett, you can't poke me. I go, you want me to give you the truth like unvarnished right now here, me and you with F words and everything? You know, I go, Brett, of course, it's not an accident.

I go, the people in power, and I won't even put it to a particular political party. I'll just say the uniparty because I'm not sure there's much difference between Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi, if I'm being honest. McConnell or Nancy Pelosi, if I'm being honest. But the people in power have dreamed about, and it's what everybody who holds political power dreams about, the crown jewel of the United States. What makes us a powerful nation is its military. For better or for worse, our military is better than everybody else's. I don't mean to be, that's not chauvinistic. I'm just telling you like, that's a fact based on my own experience. I'll give you an example. I was in off the coast of Bosnia in 95, right? And we had, we had just done the, I don't know if you remember,

there was an air force pilot who shot down over Bosnia. Scott O'Grady. Yeah. I was drinking a lot those days. That was five years out of high school. They kind of loosely based it with Owen Wilson behind enemy lines. They made a movie about it. And the guy who was rescued, that was my squatter that rescued him. And then after that, we were still dicking around because that's when the Bosnian war was going on. And we went into Albania and its economy was collapsing and all that.

We're supposed to do these big exercises right to help bring our countries together so we're doing a an exercise a nato exercise with albania and we we bring what we bring from an amphibious ready group you know so i'm flying cobras and we got you know 46s and hueys and jets up in the air you're flying cobras meaning that's a helicopter yep okay and so we so we're doing this big exercise. And before we go out in the brief, they're like, hey, listen, you guys go out there, do this, but be cool. And this is what we were told. There we go.

Because the Albanian military is spending like the last of its – like it's costing them a lot of money. They can't afford – yeah, there's Albania. That coastline, by the way, is some of the most beautiful coastline in the world. I've never seen coastline as beautiful as that right there from Croatia all the way around. That's the Adriatic Sea right there on the on the right side of the boot of Italy. And that whole area, pristine beaches, just gorgeous. Unbelievable how beautiful it is. But the economies were just stripped by by the governments there. And we were in Albania and they were trying to do this exercise.

So they put up their fighters or whatever. They could only put up, they were basically like, hey, listen, guys, they're going to have two of their jets fly by and they can't stay. They can't hang around. They're just going to whip through the area. And we have to kind of make up for their absence because that's all they can afford to do. They don't have enough. They don't have enough money to get fuel to keep their aircraft in the air. And so, and that's just one example, but like even the Soviets, Ukrainians, all these other militaries, nobody, nobody has the, has the kind of military that we have. And because of that, if you're, you know, the old power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Because of that, if you're, you know, the old power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. People who have power, politicians, they all have a boner to use the U.S. military on their enemies. I don't think there's a politician alive who wouldn't like, who wouldn't love to be able to turn to like a Marine amphibious unit and be like, destroy my enemies. You know, like just, oh, yes, yes. You know, they, they want that so bad. And you can, you don't even have to like, I'm not making that up. Look at, look at Eric Swalwell's tweets, you know, look at Biden about, well, you can't stand up to the U S military. We got, we got F 15, you know, I mean, he doesn't understand anything about war. He's a giant bullshitting knuckleheadhead but those guys all dream about

having an excuse to use the military on their enemies and all i'll tell you is i it's my opinion based on everything i've seen having gone through this 27 30 years whatever in the military what i see is politicians are just dying dying to be able to use the military to shut their enemies up an american lawyer politician u.s representative for california's 15th congressional district yeah he's probably your rep man yeah contra costa county north of me yeah he's uh craig howard's rep yep yep and what's his deal oh he's oh he slept with a chinese spy among other things oh that's the guy that slept with the chinese yes and then he put he

had all these tweets that were basically like when people talk about the second amendment he's always like oh eat shit because we got we we like he flies an f-15 or an f-16 but um you'll hear politicians tell you right david we'd war his money that's all it is buddy the merchants of death never never let go yes swalwell is also the i the the guy who uh broke a little ass what he farted during an interview yeah that was great it happens to the best of us yeah well listen i'm not gonna live against you sir uh so so to brett's question yes that's what I believe is going on. You want people to leave, to get people to obey, to disobey.

Let me give you an analogy to this. Let me say another controversial thing. You'll love this. Okay, hold that thought. So there's two things here that possibly are coming up. One, we're going to test them with this vaccine, and it's only the ones who will obey will stay. We're going to test them with this vaccine, and it's only the ones who will obey will stay. Or two, we're trying to make the military so unready.

And some of the things you were saying in that interview, you know, like we had the largest – I don't know. A few months ago, we had more people leave the military than any other month in the history of the United States except for like the month after Vietnam. And it's like, oh, shit. Yeah shit yeah we lost like we lost the equivalent somebody i think it was john bose had done the numbers but we're gonna lose like 90 000 or something he was like we we haven't lost that many people since like the battle of the bulge or some shit like it's and so which one are you saying which one are you saying is the plan to keep keep the brainwashed guys in who will do anything to keep their paycheck or to make us unready? Both.

Those aren't mutually exclusive propositions. That's not an excluded middle. You want a military that's less effective, but less effective in what sense? What do you mean by less effective? Like it's not like they're going to get different – they're changing out aircraft. What they want is people they can control, and they want to use – what they want to really do is use the military posse comitatus, which is an act that prevents the military from being used ever domestically in a law enforcement capacity. And so now comes the Insurrection Act. And now you see the National Guard around the election and all of that. I mean, all the optics on it are are not good. around the election and all of that i mean all the optics on it are are not good i want to put some perspective for you guys dale represents anywhere between 900 and 1000 military members

and that would be the world's 16th largest air force if his clients were to form an air force a shitloads of his clients are pilots and in that brett weinstein interview uh one of the things that you will hear is that the u.s military is short like 1200 or 1300 pilots which is i mean to use brett's words it's terrifying and brett also said this he said we're going through a a spasm of totalitarianism god but it sounds like it's going we're going through a spasm of totalitarianism. God, but it sounds like it's going to be more than a spasm. Yeah, for sure. So what were you going to say before I interrupted you? I just wanted to put some perspective on that. No, only this, that the people in power would love to be able to, you know, for example, how would you like to see your

elections? It wouldn't surprise me. Let's put it this way it won't surprise me i'll make a prediction that in 2024 presidential election you'll hear politicians asking to use the military or the national guard around election sites i'll make that prediction right now book it that hasn't happened every year since 1925 no no nope nobody the optics on hey let's have the military hanging around ballot boxes, the optics on that aren't great. Kazavi on Joyner, I have lifelong medical complications now from the jab. I'm getting med boarded. What does that mean, med boarded? They're going to do medical board.

Well, Caleb, you can chime in. They just look at all of his records, and then they determine that it's like like disability and then they kick him out of the military if they deem it necessary. They look at his readiness, like see if he can still do his job properly or he's like not worth keeping around, essentially. Yeah. And he'll be fighting for the rest of his life to get, you know, 15 cents on the dollar. From the government for his service yeah yeah uh do you know who uh called in the other day who's uh fucked up dale is uh do you remember michael mccoy the filmmaker for yeah he he said his his he's all fucked up from getting the uh injection oh well uh i hate to be mercenary,

but I certainly would love to hear from him because that sounds like a client to me. Speaking of which, by the way, on this issue, I've been working with Brandon Johnson defending the Republic and another guy named Andy Meyer, who's a longtime class action lawyer down in Florida. And all I can say at this point is that we think we may have found a

business model to continue to sue the government. So don't be surprised if you see coming lawsuits against bad actors. But I've got my teeth into this now. I ain't letting go. But more importantly, I think there's a business model here where we can, we can do this and, and get damages and money back. So working on that right now. For those of you, I don't mean to make you blush Dale, but one of the most honest, transparent, articulate, wisest, friendly, caring, bad-asses I've ever met in my life is you're staring at him, Dale Saran. I don't know anyone who recreationally goes as hard as Dale in anything.

I mean, the shit that he's done, I don't think most CrossFit Games athletes would dare to put their toes into. And yet, he has managed to keep this huge Jew brain of his intact, and he is extremely capable. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. And I remember I used to look at your

weapons. You'd have them like, we'd go to the trunk of your car and I'd see your weapons. I'm like, what the fuck? I remember, I always remember Greg such a hard guy, you know, but Greg was like, Dave was all for it. Dave was like, hey, we're going to do this at the games. This is great. He loved it. And Greg, I remember after the games,

after that big thing, we fought in front of that massive crowd. That was the largest tournament of armed combat since, there you go. That was the largest crowd. The one you did at the game was the largest crowd ever? Since the Tournament of the Roses in like the 13th century. Nobody's seen tournament combat like that since since the tournament of the roses i think was like 1350 or something so that was the largest

gathering of people to watch that ever but afterwards greg saw the video and he was like trying to be like i remember he wanted you to quit so bad he wanted me to quit so bad but he didn't want to say you cannot do that he didn't want to because you know he didn't want to cut like drop the hammer i remember he said to me one day we're just sitting around in the at the house and we're all living together and he came in and goes he just looked at me out of the blue was like uh hey brother you know i don't want to say anything but uh you know uh somebody's going to wind up with some uh brain trauma out of that i'm just telling you that's not going to end well somebody's going to wind up with their and let me tell you something about greg too in that regards greg's not the kind

of person to interfere in anyone's life like if you were smoking a cigarette next to greg he wouldn't tell you that's going to kill you he he really would mind his own business in regards to that but with dale playing with those hammers and hitting dudes in the head and in the back as hard as they can he did not like that no he was he, he was like – his lawyer, he's like, I'm not too keen on my lawyer getting his head stoked in. Allison, they try to kill each other. Yeah. Allison, check out – go to – there's a series you can watch.

I was in episode five called Night Fight on the History Channel. You've got to buy it. It had an eight-episode run, and I'm in, I think, eight episodes, and I'm in episode five fighting other dudes in armor. And you'll see if you watch it. It is not – there's no fake. It is WWE. Did girls do that?

Did girls do that? Yeah, we had some – yeah, there it is, Night Fight. We had female fighters too. Yep. In fact, the first overseas tournament I fought in, right, we had a women's team and they fought the other women. And we had one gal in particular who was awesome. She was the axe champ of the world.

She was tough. Sister of a guy I fought with. And one of the gals was like, at the end of the day, they allow you to do these melees. They call them all-on-alls. And so anybody who wants to fight comes to the list one of the gals was like we do at the end of the day they allow you to do these melees they call them all on alls and so anybody who wants to fight comes to the list and you go inside and we did like 28 versus 28 and we snuck a chick out there and so several of us were like um hey you know we kind of kept her nearby but she wanted to she wanted to see what it was like to be an

actual like to do it man to do the deed you know in you know 28 versus 28 armed combat melee you know and there's variations on it we got her in there and she she was so juiced afterwards i mean she got knocked on her ass but i was nearby her and it wasn't nothing too bad you know but gave her a chance to get in there and fight with the boys, you know? And yeah, good honor. Good honor. That's awesome. Did anyone ever find out? No, but you know who else we stuck in armor? Ask Jay Vera about it. You did? Oh yeah. Jay Vera go out there and fight. Yeah. Yes. Jay had been, Jay had been following us with a camera, you know,

and he eventually. Jay Vera is a filmmaker at CrossFit. He's still, he's still with CrossFit. He might be the only, I'm trying to think if they have anyone the media team was 100 people he might be the only creative still working at crossfit what a shit show their media team is what a fucking utter joke it's just so it's so bad and it could be fixed in 24 hours but but it's so anyway sorry go on so jay vera so jay vera had been filming us and following us right because those guys some of the guys have been training it uh what's his um who's jim uh jason kalipa's jim so jason kalipa had let us use the back of his gym. He had a whole bunch of space

and so we had done some tournaments back there and he was like, this is insane. And so Jay had been following all these guys who were doing CrossFit. We tried to get some of these guys because a lot of guys were fat. We tried to get them in shape. And so Jay followed us and we went all the way to the World Championships and while we were there, Jay was around and then we snuck Jay into

armor for an all of y'all. We didn't tell the captain of the team or anything. We didn't tell anybody we got Jay into armor. Cause once you're in the armor, you know, you don't know who it is. You can't see the guy's got a helm on. You can't. And Alison to your, to your question, how heavy is the armor? It runs between about 60 pounds and maybe 85 on the high end.

You know, it depends on what you're using. A lot of guys of you want lighter obviously it's better but it's about it's about 60 60 pounds worth of shit once it's on and um i've never even done murph with the vest so we started i tell you jay was in really good shape at the time right oh he's still in great shape he's a beast yeah he's a stud and he was crossfit hard at the time and so he was like all right let me get in this right he was watching a lot of these fat guys and he was like i'm gonna house these guys but the thing that nobody understands about armor particularly wearing a helmet you've got the demands of the helmet so that your face doesn't get caved in

are such that um yeah it's padded it is padded so you don't get concussed. You've got these foam pads on the inside of a metal – Hey, dude. Don't let Dale tell you any of this shit. I'm telling you. They have swords and axes. They have fucking 40-pound axes. They swing at each other full throttle. And like you'll swing and miss, and a dude will hit you with a fucking 30-pound hammer in the fucking head.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't. You can get concussed. You absolutely can. No, no. You are going to get concussed yeah that's one of those was me yeah it's nothing like it is in the movies it is fucking horrible look at did you see that guy swing that axe look at him oh yeah there's no toys out there there's no toys out there. There's no toys. Yeah. Yep. Oh, that was me just getting. So the helmets way my helmet weighed about almost 20 pounds.

My helmet would deflect a 22 round. If you fired a bullet at my helmet, it would it would ricochet off. But. So. Yeah, it's kind of their kid there. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. We have kids there, families, wives.

I got a great one for you, Seth, right? So my first tournament. I want to go back to the Jay story, but go ahead. Tell this one, and I won't forget. I'll finish this. Jay gets into, yeah, this is it. Jay gets into armor. Don't get us canceled, Caleb.

No more than seven seconds. Okay. All right. So Jay gets into armor. We get him out there, right? And what he doesn't realize is that fighting in armor is a lot like scuba diving in the sense that you really want to control your breathing. Because if you start breathing in and out really fast inside your helm, you do not clear all of the co2 so you're so you're like this right you're like and now you're breathing back in you're not getting 100 oxygen unless it's that's why we always would love windy days you'd like a windy day you want

a steady breeze because it clears the shitty co2 and you get clean oxygen but most days aren't like that it's hot and or indoor fighting that was indoor fighting and you you're2 and you get clean oxygen but most days aren't like that it's hot and or indoor fighting that was indoor fighting and you you're breathing and you're breathing in your own co2 so you're slowly suffocating and you can feel yourself start to do it and so a lot of guys who haven't worn a helm before they're like yeah i'm gonna get into somebody to fight and right and they're like and they start grappling and they're, and then all of a sudden they start going, oh, shit, I'm fucking drowning. It feels like you're being waterboarded. And so you slowly and so you'll see guys at the end of a fight clawing at their throwing their gauntlets down and trying to get their chin strap off and trying to rip their helmet off so they can get there because they're suffocating slowly.

It's a really disconcerting feeling if you haven't done it before. So we got Jay out there and he goes out there like, I'm badass, I'm fit, you know, and thinking like it's like a CrossFit workout where you can just breathe freely. And at the end of the first match, I mean, he did pretty, he did okay.

But at the end of the first match, he's running for the gate, trying to peel his helm off. And he's like clawing at his head and we're like, Jay, calm down, calm down. You know, and you, you know and he's like clawing at his head and we're like jay calm down calm down you know and you you know it's like you can't breathe and so people start to panic and shit it was funny he got his helmet off and he was like i didn't realize we were like well yeah you know that's the deal yeah yeah there i am how much are one of those suits? I dropped probably, I had a pretty basic kit and I dropped like five grand to get the kit, like my first kit.

But eventually, I mean, I probably spent 10 to 20 grand on armor, weapons, travel. Yeah, there I am right there. I think right dead center. That's me. Did you sell all your stuff when you got out of it? I gave it away. Yeah, I gave it away yeah i gave it away to some of the guys to the oh shit you're a good dude weapons everything all my armor my kit

metals all that shit you know what would you rather see your kid come home with one of those or a motorcycle you're like shit oh motorcycle oh boy that's a tough one. Hey, anyone ever die doing that? Yeah, but not from that. Guy died of a heart attack in the initial, the first, the 29. The first guys who did this went overseas and fought the Russians. The Russians, the Belarusians, Eastern Europeans, this is huge. And they're the best in the world because they're the most vicious. All right.

Yeah, but we did really well. The U.S. I mean, the U.S. is a team. We cleaned up, you know? Yeah. So these, going back to these clients of yours, when does this case end? What's an ideal ending for this thing? You know, it's interesting you bring that up. So we're waiting. We're just sitting right now.

And it's tough because, you know, I got people getting kicked out. My Coast Guard folks are getting just slaughtered. They're throwing them out left, right and sideways, even though they've got a pending. We've got a motion pending and it's and it's clear their First Amendment rights have been violated. They've they filed for a religious accommodation. And to back to the point about the military, you know, it's it's not an accident that they're kicking out the religious. Oh, oh, you know, you asked about that issue. That's the big picture that people don't understand. Those of you who aren't religious like me, you have to understand the nuance here. I want to go back a second. First of all, if we weren't clear, Dale represents a gang load of people, let's say 1,000 people just to make it easy.

Who basically are in conflict with the US military about whether they want to – about the injection. They don't want to take the injection. And so what Dale here is alluding to is they're kicking out the people who put up religious, who are putting in religious exemptions and that there is a deep, profound underlying concern there that goes beyond, hey, you're violating the constitution. Right. It's you're, you're chopping the military of those who believe in something higher, that there are higher principles that you serve, that there are things that are more important beyond this. You don't want an atheist military. I mean that in the – I mean that I'm deadly serious about that.

The Nazi war machine was – that was an atheist military. They have no brakes. It's just – they're just killing dogs yep even if there is no god you want people who think there is a god so that they have some breaks they have some more higher moral authority to answer to it's it's a it's a conscious check and balance and they want to root that from this thing which would make it whether they want to or not i guess isn't the point if they root that from here, you've rooted the breaks. You've rooted any any civility.

Yeah. You'll wind up with total war. You know, you wind up with something more akin to to to World War Two. And that's, you know, the interesting thing to bring it back to Brett. You know, we started talking about Brett. He was and he had that same concern. thing to bring it back to Brett. You know, we started just talking about Brett. He was, and he had that same concern. You know, he's, I think, a scientist, but he also recognizes that there's, it's an important thing here that you've got people who have religious objections to this shot and are saying, who are raising their hands. And then what the military did was set up a system, basically, they called it religious accommodation, but fundamentally what

it was, was religious targeting. If you raised your hand and said, hey, I don't want to take this, you didn't get a break. They didn't go, oh, okay, well, we'll accommodate you. That's what our religious accommodation policy says. Even though that's what all the policies say, what it did was anybody who tried to use that system, they immediately removed them from leadership positions, no promotions. I mean, Caleb could tell you this. Anybody who would speak out any CEO, like I had a, I got a client who's been on Fox news guy named Scott Duncan, uh, Sonny Duncan. He's, um, uh, he started out as an F-18 pilot in the Marine Corps and then he was a top

graduate out of Top Gun Navy Marine Corps. He was the guy all the way through became an F-35 pilot selected to be a squadron commander, devout religious guy. And he got selected for command, going to command a squadron F-35Bs. And when the shots were coming down the pike, he's a very religious guy. Everybody knew, well, you know, he's probably not going to take this. And so as soon as, as soon as they, yeah, F-35B guy. And as soon as, as soon as the thing came out and he said yeah i'm a christian and you know i'm not taking this they uh they pulled his command so he doesn't get to command wow and that's a guy what does that mean he doesn't get to command dale he doesn't get to

fly yeah they don't let him fly they stopped him all the guys the first thing they do i told all my pilots go listen i i hate to i hate to say this i go but they're going to go after what you love and so everyone the first thing they do is they ground them take they take away flying say that again kayla what did you say they just didn't if i'm until oblivion it's like the do not fly list you're just stuck on that list basically it's like a profile where you're just – that you're not deemed medically safe to fly. Even though they fly. Even though they're on oxygen.

They're on their own oxygen in the plane. Yeah, that dude – You can't possibly harm anybody. That one client of yours was saying, hey, dude, I sit in a plane by myself. I don't even have a co-pilot. I'm in a plane by myself with a mask on, fucking 10,000 feet in the air, and I'm a threat to someone? Yeah. I can't imagine how many times a pilot's been, like, just a little sick, and they've still flown.

Like, they just, like, it's not, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Fixed wing guys have to be much more careful about it helo guys now we could take like afrin and stuff and get in the cockpit but if you're going up to altitude you got to be careful because you can't uh flight physiology human physiology gets different up at 35 000 feet you know where those guys go and so you have to be you got to be real careful most fixed wing pilots i know always carried a bottle of nasal spray they're not supposed to but if you get a nasal block up at altitude and you're trying to come back

down, you can have real problems. And so most guys will, you're not supposed to nasal spray. Somebody asked Tyler spilled us. What's Afrin? It's nasal spray. Oh, it's like crap. You should try it. Whenever you're saying any NSCA case updates. That's funny. Hey, Tyler, CrossFit settled and they didn't disclose what the settlement was. I'll tell you what I heard, Tyler. I'll tell you what I heard. I heard that the settlement was so massive that they didn't want to tell anyone because they're afraid the affiliates would get upset. That's what I heard. I don't know if that's true. Oh, interesting. But that's what I heard. But that being said, for those of you who don't know, Dale and Greg and sorts basically were protecting the affiliates from a malicious study that was easily proved to be malicious to attack all the affiliates to attack every one of you they lied and the line was like just right up front yeah like basically they had the editor of

whatever that sports journal it came from saying hey you need to put injuries in here even though you didn't find any you need to put injuries in here and greg and dale got a hold of that and they sued these fucking guys and these guys wanted to fucking settle and dale and greg said no we're not settling and the metaphor that greg always used was um in the cowboy movies when you tie the rope around the guy's feet and you drag him around the town there's no destination you're just dragging him around to fucking show everyone the bad guy and to kill him greg had no interest in settling the case they offered him so much fucking money he's like nope you attack my affiliates you cannot exist basically on planet earth when you

and get in the way of these affiliates from uh having uh uh deploying the cure to the world's most vexing problem and these small businesses because greg had met thousands of these owners and he knew they were trying to put food on their tables and the second he sold the company i would say within a year whoever was in leadership what'd you say dale i was less than that it was i was shocked to hear that that's what my take and again i wasn't part of all that i was gone by then but so i don't have any insider info but i'll just say that when i heard that they settled it changed my view of the sale i i it it made every everything for me was like that settlement came not long after the sale and it just looked to me like that was that was what the sale was about but i don't know so so here's the here's here's what dale is saying and dale correct me if i'm wrong if i have a if i if i own a ranch and my neighbor has a ranch next door and he has

so many flies on his ranch that it's causing me three million dollars worth of effort to clean up the flies on my property a year and it's and it's shooing off all the tourists but i can buy that ranch for a million dollars i've now up two million dollars basically if i can get rid of my neighbor who's doing three million dollars damage a year to me for a million dollars and get his shit why wouldn't i just buy it right and so there is there is a a thought that's a very valid mathematical thought that there was so much disruption coming from CrossFit Inc and the affiliates and other people's business models, pharma, Coca-Cola, sugar drinks, et cetera, that CrossFit Inc was purchased.

And so to put this in perspective, Gatorade spends $300 million a year on billboards alone. And I'm using billboards as a metaphor for advertising. I don't know exactly where it goes but just think about that and so if you could buy crossfitting for 300 million dollars like just advertising dollars right and then shut them up take control of it and have crossfit say oh you can exercise away uh gatorade and then obviously the year that it's sold in comes monster energy so that's where the theory comes from i don't know if i buy it but but mathematically the algebra is like there's there's no there's no kinks there's no like well what about that number dangling there are none it's a perfect

match right so i mean it's like and um right diabetes is exhibit b um that Yes, that's good. Yeah. Very good, Tyler. He sees, he knows. Yeah. And to that, to that end, I'll just say that, you know, it doesn't, I mean, are these things all tied together? I don't know, but it just seems odd to me that the first thing that people came when the pandemic, when the scam-demic, plan-demic, whatever you want to call it, when that happened, it was amazing to me that the first places they, among the first places that they said they would shut down were gyms. Insane. I mean, of all the places, it's like right up front,

the earliest thing was like, hey, the best defense to any of this would be to be fit, healthy, you know, because fit, healthy people were basically at zero risk, less than zero risk. I mean, if you were a fit, healthy, you know, because fit, healthy people were basically zero risk, less than zero risk. And if you were a fit, healthy person during the pandemic, your risk from it was nil. I mean, you were at a greater risk of getting hit by a car crossing the street than you were catching COVID and dying during all of this. And then, so it just seemed, it seemed strange to me that like weed stores could stay open. Not that I'm, you then, uh, so it just seemed, it seemed strange to me that like weed stores could stay open.

Not that I'm against weed, God knows, but, um, still, it was odd to me that liquor stores and weed stores were deemed essential and, uh, gyms were deemed non-essential during a health crisis. And of course the answer, I wrote an essay about this and, you know, they've got to probably besides my mom, there might be 10 people who read it but i i had said you know uh essential is really an interesting word because it implies it implies that there's something else out there in other words if you're like these workers are deemed essential workers the first question that has to go through your mind is essential to what like what essential to what what's the essential What's the essential? What's the thing that this is essential to? When you say something's

essential, implicit in the definition of essential means that it's a necessary part of something else. So what is it that it's necessary for? And you could never get, all you heard was government, you know, governors and all these people who are locking down their, you know, the economy, collapsing businesses. And they kept saying, well, they're essential businesses, essential. And I would always go essential to what? What are they essential to? You know, and you could, no one, never, so far as I'm aware, no one, not a single reporter, no one ever asked the question, essential to what?

And that's, it's when I see stuff like that, Seb, that I come back to the point about it's collapsing. We, you can't, you couldn't have pulled the scamdemic with a numerate populace. Because anybody who can understand numbers would have, you know, couldn't help but look from early on and be like, oh, this is all bullshit. You can't be familiar with numbers and not appreciate that this was all bullshit. Baskin-Robbins stayed open near my house the entire two years. Right. Of course. Of course.

You can't go without ice cream, Seth. I mean, what are you going to do with no cookie? It was crazy. Yeah. And gyms and businesses, small businesses destroyed, restaurants destroyed. The only things, you know, fundamentally what we did was we, we cratered the, um, underlying engine of our economy, which is small business. You know, what do you, do you have any thoughts on homeschooling? Oh, baby. Yeah. Yeah. More of it.

Listen, if I were the emperor, the only question would be whether before I chained the doors on the Department of Education and burned it to the ground, the only question would be how much notice I would give, if any, to the people that work there. That's the only question. Would it be 15 minutes that I would give them to get out of the building before I burned it to the ground? Or would I just burn it to the ground and not care about everybody in there? In a just society, in an honor society, imagine that if the Tokugawa shogunate had, the shogun in Japan had decided to have a department of education and it did the same thing that the U.S. department of education did in its first three years. No chance that that guy wouldn't have had to commit suicide after year three. Tell me, explain why. Well, because if you look, if you

take a graph, right, and you go a little x-axis, y-axis, and you graph along the x, you graph time and across the top, you graph money spent, tax dollars spent on the Department of Education. It only goes one direction. It only goes up. We've only spent more money every year. We've never like, well, let's maybe retrench and come back on that. It only goes one direction. Spend more, more, more, more money since the Department of Ed was founded. And not coincidentally, test scores. If you took the same graph, and you can find this image, and you graph test scores since the Department of Ed in the US over time, it only goes one direction. And it ain't up. It goes, it goes down. So you're spending

more and more money, and you're getting worse and worse test scores by the Department of Education. And I'm just saying that if you had been, if you were like Japanese and an honor culture, and you worked for the Shogun, and you were the head of the department of education three years in if test scores had gone only down and money spent had only gone up you'd have to kill yourself publicly you that's the only way your family could show its face you know i mean you'd be obligated to commit seppuku you'd have to oh you're good similar but yeah same idea there you go look at how much we're spending now look at what we're getting for test scores and that was only at 2003 look at that it's pretty bad what what's maep test scores it

look like they're going up oh no that's, that's the spending. Oh, there you go, Sev. Got to be that blue line is money. That's money. That that's a dollar spent per student. Yeah, it doesn't matter how you do it, whether you do total dollars. Right, right. Doesn't matter how you do the measure. It only goes up.

Hey, you know, it's crazy, too, is it says in 2000. So my homeschooling, you know in in my area they give us like thirty nine hundred dollars a year for three kids but they get to spend in 2000 whatever that was eight they were already spending eleven thousand dollars per kid they should give me the whole fucking thing yeah if they're spending forty thousand dollars per kid they should give me a hundred twenty thousand dollars a year i'll make sure my kids are good yeah set it the money should follow the student if we're going to be a button. No, I think the whole thing is education. Look, the, the, all the assumptions that underlie the need for an education system are gone. They've all changed. So like, you know, in the, in the frontier days,

they would say like, well, we need, you know, you need education because you need an educated populace in order to understand issues. And that's how you know. And and you 1837, what's his face? Really? De Tocqueville writes his great Democracy in America volumes one and two that nobody's read and everybody quotes and gets wrong. But he said that it was the educated populace. Right. And so it had this impetus. Horace Mann, the 1840s. We've got to have public education. We've got to educate the next generation, blah, blah, blah. That's just, it's all just government propaganda. You know, you have publicly funded education, government education, and what you'll get is government education. You know, I mean,

I don't know how else to put that. Let's put it this way. Publicly funded education is, I think the word public there has the same meaning that it does the same thing as an adjective that it does in to restroom. So public is to education as public is to restroom or public is to servant. You mean it's for everyone? I know. I just think, think about this. What's the bathroom in your house like?

It's probably clean, clean. Nice. Yeah. Cause you don't want to go into leave it better than when you went in. Right. Okay. So what,

how does, how do public restrooms, they don't even fucking put doors on them. They treat it. They're fucking idiots. I was just in Newport Beach, one of the richest communities in the world. Their public restroom there on the beach doesn't have doors. I would beat the fuck out of someone if they – like if you have daughters and you go somewhere and they don't have doors on the public restrooms, you should go up to the city council members and bitch slap them.

Like really? Or make them all shit in there while we all watch and their moms and their daughters and their sisters yeah what do you think it's crazy hey the first time the in the military at ocs the and boot camp you know in the military marine corps no door no doors on the stalls i'm okay with that it's a bunch of 19 year old dudes suck it up yeah yeah first First time you have that experience, man, when some, when you're there, like, you know, and you're on the clock, you know, and you're just screaming the first time he comes in front of you and you're

like, yeah, what, you know, I'm there trying to wipe. And this dude's like, get off. You will get off now. It's just the most horrifying thing. You're like, you eventually accept it though. Right. You have, eventually you can shit anywhere like a dog, right? Oh yeah the other one that was traumatic right i'm in line savvy i'm a new pilot i'm at 29 palms california in 94 i remember this they go one of the guys like hey man let's hurry we'll get over the bathroom now because the lines at camp wilson are bad for the for the bat you know the the heads the bathrooms right so i'm like all right so we get in this long line everybody's waiting and i'm like oh boy here we go we get in this long line. Everybody's waiting.

And I'm like, oh boy, here we go. And so some people in the comments who've been in, anybody who's been to CACs, combined arms exercises and 29 palms will know this, will back me up. So I get in line. I'm a first lieutenant. I'm like 23 years old, 24 maybe.

And I get in line. And as I come around, I'm coming into, now I'm in the building and you kind of turn the line snaking. And I'm like, where are the shitters? You know, I'm kind of looking around, right? As I come around, I'm coming into, now I'm in the building and you kind of turn the line snaking and I'm like, where are the shitters? You know, I'm kind of looking around, right? As I come around the corner, as I come around the corner, I kind of get a peek around this wall and I look and what I can see is that there are no doors. There are no stalls. There's nothing.

There's no walls. It's just like 12 shitters and it's like six like an art installation like not even a real bathroom like an art installation and they're just in this open area right and it's like six sides you're sitting but you're sitting staggered from the people so you're not directly across from the guy in front of you but it's like there's women and men just dudes okay just how nice of them to stagger yeah but but what's and so the guy next to you is just outside of you like if you extended your knees out if you like opened your legs you'd bump the knees of the guy next to you right that's next level i'm really comfortable i don't really

want to touch anyone what i have all my shit out yeah Yeah. All right. Wow. So, so I'm look right. I see this and I'm like, and my face must've given it away. Right. Cause I'm like, and I'm trying to just be, oh my God. Now I'm like, how am I going to do this? Cause like when my bottle is ready to evacuate, man, it's an event. Like, you know, the family needs to leave, get out of the house, get the kids off the streets, man.

It's going to be bad. Right. Get out of the house. Get the kids off the streets, man. It's going to be bad, right? And so I see this. And so this old, crusty sergeant, he's going to be in his 30s or 40s. I don't know. But he's this old, like, master sergeant or something, right? And he must have seen the look on my face. And he's walking toward me. And he's got a paper under his arm, right?

Like he's going to sit there and read it while he shits? He's got a newspaper in his arm. He's coming out. And I'm going in, right? And he must've seen the look on my face, the horror. And so he's got the newspaper in his arm, right? And he leans over and he slaps me in the chest with the newspaper, puts it in my chest and he leans in my ear and he goes, Hey sir, it hurts a little bit if you hide behind the paper and then you just, like, that's one of the great acts of kindness that anyone's ever done.

Like one of the nicest things, you know, like just, you know, he gave me the paper, right. And now I'm like, now you can kind of pretend like while you're sitting there,

you just hide behind it while you're like, you know, and just your body's making all these. It's like the ostrich effect, right? Everyone can still see you, but you're you have your head in the ground. So you're like, right. You're just telling yourself, like, it's all good. This is legit.

This is fine. No one can see me. Right. I'm hidden. I'm hidden behind the paper. Nobody can see what I mean. It was just. Yeah, that was pretty horrible.

Is it toilet paper just sitting on the ground? You pick up a roll yeah yeah yeah crazy um your listeners definitely needed that one that was how many years did you fly helicopters uh yeah five total and and what helicopter did you just fly one helicopter or a variety of them well you start out learning so i learned on the bell jet range of the bell 206 two different models of that in flight school and then got out to the fleet learned to fly cobras and then when i got to my squadron i had a i was in a dual i was in a two aircraft squadron hueys and cobras so the old uh1 nove. Yep. Yep. Bell 206 right there. So is that like what the news organizations use and shit? Yep. A lot of them do for sure. It's, it's probably the most used, I think it's the most

used helicopter in the, in the world. Great aircraft. It's the safest single engine aircraft in the world, even more so than a plane wow yep safest single engineer craft in the world right there the bell 206 jet ranger and and does that have a propeller on the back too yep tail rotor sure does it's the same motor that runs both of those it's the same motor that runs both of them yep yep they're connected through a drive train through that tail right through that tail boom right there is a is a shaft that spins the tail rotor right bingo and that spins the tail rotor and it's connected to the main rotor and what happens is which is why it's that's why it's they're a little squirrely because anytime you do one thing like you touch

a rudder pedal or you pull up the collective or whatever it affects everything else because they're all connected what happens is if you lose your engine there's a clutch it's called a sprag clutch and it lets go so that the propeller can free wheel through the through the air if you lose your engine, there's a clutch. It's called a sprag clutch. And it lets go so that the propeller can free wheel through the air if you have an engine failure. So the engine decouples from the drivetrain, and that's how you auto-rotate. You fall out of the sky. It generates lift up through the – or air up through the rotor head

that spins it, and then you kind of save all that energy for right at the bottom when you have no engine, and then you just pull and land it and grease them out. We used to do full autos to the ground in those things. Like, it was cool. Wait a second. Oh, my God, dude. Wait a second.

Engine's off, baby, all the way to the ground. Wait a second. You're telling me that the engine can stop on that, and there's a way to disengage the engine from the propeller so the engine's not slowing the propeller down? Yeah, it happens automatically. It senses that. It's drag clutch, let's go go and now it's freewheeling you can how close do you have to be

to landing when you do that like only 20 feet off the ground oh no no you you do it in all these different um regimes but there's something called the height velocity diagram we call it the dead man's curve you want to be you want to be on the right side of the dead man's curve if you're on the wrong side of the dead man's curve that's there's a reason it's called the dead man's curve so someone's landed one of these like being a thousand feet off the ground with no engine oh yeah yeah better higher is better you you even know from the chart you can see what the best altitude like i can tell you i don't know you know you still have these things buried in your head but the cobra you could you can safely auto the cobra i wish i could show you the diagram. It's a curve.

Yeah, there it is. Bingo. Height-velocity diagram. Oh, my God. Oh, Caleb, look at you. The dead man's curve. Yep, right there. So you see all that blacked-in area?

Yeah. Between 400 feet and zero feet, you want airspeed first. And so what you do is you fly in that area. Caleb, can you highlight the white area face right there so that avoid operation and that's the white area that's where you want to be say right you want to be in the white see what it says avoid operation in the shaded area yeah yeah for example you're at if you're at zero knots if you're at a hover at 150 feet that's a bad place to be yeah okay that's where i was when i crashed i was at 150 foot hover and when we lost both engines and the best place you want to be is uh 200 feet at 150 knots yeah 200 feet 50 knots 200 feet 60 knots right yes oh yeah okay wow oh they got a typo in there i think

oh no no it goes okay oh and you really and you also don't want to be oh shit you don't want to be at 15 feet going 50 knots either oh you crashed a cobra uh-oh did dale freeze i think we lost dale right at the good part did he say he crashed a cobra did he say he was at 200 feet and the cobra went down yeah it looked like it was at he's at 200 feet at 40 knots okay so can you pull that crap back up dale you you were in a cobra that stopped operating at 200 feet 100 i was at about 150 feet uh maybe 125 feet when both inch and zero knots i was on a hover and what happened right there did you get a malfunction

or attack uh malfunction during an exercise yeah that was the crash i i survived august 11th of 94 and were you you were the pilot i was Well there were two pilots I was in the front And there was a guy in the back I was calling in artillery We were doing an exercise And the guy in the back was a guy named Bill Dunn Did he survive Yeah we both lived Holy shit

Yep One of those right A whiskey cobra right there That was my guy Can you tell us what happened yeah we just the we had a rollback of one engine and we were it was really hot we were in the desert it was high hot day so we you know started to sink and then the other engine we had a we had a the subsequent engineering investigation found a bad bellows and the p3 bleed air valve i mean kind of shit you don't care about but yeah which is you

know bad luck man was it a miracle that you guys survived yes everybody who saw that all the people who saw the crash um uh came the ceo came into the hospital to see us and was like good job and uh turned to the doc and said as soon as their uh med up i want them flying again and they walked out shook our hands and walked out and everybody who had been out there to see all the huey guys had been out to see the crash site came when we got back to the squat you know to our little space by the way this is the same place where we had just taken i took the took the crap. This was all great. It was a rough six weeks, man. It was a tough six weeks. Holy shit, dude.

It was a tough six weeks. But, yeah, I walked away. Later, I got a ruptured disc in my spine, but probably from that. Can you eject out of those things? No. No, no, no.ussians have an ejectable helicopter there's only one the russians have an ejection seat helicopter it's the only one in the world and it's a it's got these twin it's hard for me to describe it i think it's the hokum but it's got four blades and they have explosives in the blades and when you pull the ejection seat it blows the because you can't eject out into the into a blender you know you can't eject yeah you know that's so they have

you know those things you put a hard-boiled egg in that you're like your mom has back in the 80s and you pull it down yeah it's in a nice thin slice this is like one of those yeah i mean theoretically i suppose yeah there it is yep the cam off or whatever yeah Licensed in slices is like one of those. Yeah. I mean, theoretically, I suppose. Yeah, there it is. Yep. The cam off or whatever. Yeah. And that has a, it has explosive charge in the rotor head.

I look at that rotor head and I get horrified. I'm like, get out of here. That's, no, thank you. Yeah. Not a chance. Why? It's too much rotor head and you think it's going to snap off? It's just too much rotor head and you think it's going to snap off? It's just too much? The joke about helicopters is that it's one million parts flying in loose formation together.

That's horrible. Right at the top, at the very top of that thing, on a Cobra, it's called the Jesus nut. Oh, I think I remember you telling me about the jesus nut yes yes if that comes off that's the only thing that's coming out of your mouth that's it that's it baby so how bad were you guys injured were you conscious when you crashed yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the last 35 feet i had this i had this moment you saw jesus no it's funny because what went through my mind was not am i gonna die what went through my like at the last moment as we're you know we're coming down i mean you're it's like dropping it's like being in an elevator with the cable cut yeah wow so now you're just oh everything in between it's

like my buddy it's like my buddy. It's like my buddy, Bobby says about heights. I'm like, Oh man, I'm terrified of heights. I think it's, or maybe I'm terrified of falling. And he goes, I don't know, man. He goes, you know, you could, you could probably fall forever and get used to that sick feeling in your stomach. Eventually he goes, it's the bottom. That's really the problem. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so when you're actually falling, you know, you kind of, that goes through your mind. Right, right, right, right. And so when you're actually falling, you know, you kind of, that goes through your mind. Like, I mean, it did for me. And so at the last minute I sat bolt, like I got myself in the seat and the front seat, the back seat of the

Cobra has a, has a stroking seat. So it'll actually bottom out and kind of dissipate the energy. The front seat is metal posts welded directly to the frame. So it's just metal on metal. And so at the last second, I leaned back and kind of sat upright to get my spine in as good a position as I could. And then you just rip up on the collective kind of like you pull up on the collective. I always learned when you're trying to settle an aircraft that's landing is you pull as fast as the rate of descent is you try and match that and try and you know increase the pitch on the blades and then slow your thing and we smashed into the ground broke the skids the downslopes get snapped right off buried into the ground the tail swing are buried in the ground the top skid hit and cracked

and we hit on the side of a hill and then we hit and i remember hitting and like my head came down smacked the telescopic sight unit which is what you use to fire the tow missile i'm lucky if i were taller i would have taken that right in the face that probably killed me but because i'm a little short you know i said a little not a little not a little, not a little. When I, when I came forward, the top of my helmet hit the telescopic site unit. And then as soon as we hit, I saw the, the rotor blades bend down. They flex all the way down, almost touched the ground. And I looked out the, my door opens on the left, which was the upslope slide. And the other guy's door opened on the right, which was a drop down this hill.

So we hit, stuck in, and I popped my door, my cables, and he was screaming, get out. And so I flipped out the side of the helicopter and it started to slide down the hill. And so I grabbed the door like an idiot. It's a 15,000 pound helicopter. I don't know what I was thinking, but I grabbed my door edge and I tried to dig my heels in and it started, it started going like, started, you know, careening. Like it was going to go over the hill and roll down the hill. And by the way, it was fully armed. It had two seven shot. I was going to ask you about that.

Yeah. Seven shots, lots of rockets, 40 into 40 flares in the flare buckets, a thousand pounds of gas in the, in the bag. And I was sitting on the gunner pilot in the front, sits over the can, which is where the ammo is for the 20 millimeter nose gun. And so I'm sitting on top of 600 rounds of high explosive incendiary. So we smash into the ground. I jump out, grab the thing. It starts going down the hill. And I swear to you, I got pictures of it. I'll send them to you. But it checked up on a little, there was a little rock outcropping. And as the helicopter started to slide down the hill and tumble, it just checked up and caught on a hill and kind of stopped.

And I'm holding onto the door and I'm looking eye to eye with the guy in the back. This guy built on it. I'm like, are you all right? And his helmet, like the glass thing had come down over his face. So his eyes were sticking out over his thing. I'm like, are you all right?

And he's like,ael get out you know before hey how did he get out can he climb up to your front seat and then come out no you can't he had to like climb down jump out roll down the hill and then then we met at the front of the aircraft and kind of started hugging like like we were you did hug oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah we were we were jumping up and down as bill said you know i hope this doesn't offend anybody but bills when people were asking him later what happened he's like we was hugging like almost he's like we were so happy i mean we were we were hugging each other we were like oh my god you know we were alive and then you know a huey came and picked us up took us to

the hospital it was funny they had the flight surgeon in the back right and they land this huey and there was nowhere to get near us they had to land like 300 40 yards away on on a flat spot and they're yelling the doc's yelling at us right and so we're what's he saying so we start running over these rocks to get to him you know and we're running and we're like wait what's he what's he saying you know this helicopter's over we get about 100 yards away and he's like don't move don't run and then you can see the doc just throw his hands up in the air he's like oh fuck just come on you know we get in the helicopter he's poking us you know are you all right we're like oh we're fine you know yes so uh dale saran always awesome to have you on i hope that you can i hope you continue what what a i i knew it's funny i have all these notes but i always know i'm like i hope it'll be so much better if dale and i never have to turn to the notes yeah yeah we'll just cover what we cover man

yeah you're such a great dude, man. Thanks for doing this. Hey, I love it. I love coming on. You know how much I love this community and you and Caleb. Thank you. Thanks for your service, brother. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. And we'll be in touch. Talk to you soon. I'm sure I have a feeling you and I are going to run into each other in February. You and I are both going to the same Broken Science Conference. And if not sooner,

I'd love to have you back on the show. Yeah, I'll be out sooner. My daughter's living down in, she's living right down there in Seaside, man. Oh, please call me every time you come. Let's get the families together. Yeah, every time. We'll party. Promise. Love you, Dale. Peace, brother. Thanks for all the stories. Yep.

Bye-bye. Damn. He's such a cool dude so lucky to know him so lucky to know him uh i don't know how he got into a helicopter again that's a nightmare allison nyc yeah that is a nightmare you have to you're gonna look you can't just sit there and be like well fuck i can never do that again adam blakesley uh favorite guest yeah he's he's he's god he's an awesome dude um the the the video the affiliate commercial I don't even know if it's an affiliate commercial. Basically, we just had this idea that I would talk about what I thought about the L1 and I would talk about what I thought about affiliates. And then they were edited into, you know, 90 second spots.

And basically they were made. We thought we would use them so i could like run and do bathroom breaks so that's why we wanted them to be just a little over a minute and it's funny that it's funny to me that i i don't know i i don't think anyone to be honest is surprised I don't know. I don't think anyone, to be honest, is surprised. And I don't know how to say this with any humility. So maybe I won't. But I was the second person ever to do media on the media team at CrossFit Inc.

in the end of 2006, 2007. It was basically Lauren Glassman and Tony Budding who had made any of the previous media. And I was brought on. I worked there for a year for free. And the joke was that it was Sevan.com because I made so much content. I made an effort to put in a piece of content every single day.

Eventually, I became the media director executive media director which in in corporate talk is the chief marketing officer and i don't know anything really besides crossfit and i was there with all those numbers of our curves up and down, what worked and didn't work. I have in this little fucking peanut of mine from 2007 to 2020. And we had some enormous growth spurts, the biggest the planet has ever seen for any chain, than imagine the people like starbucks subway apple all of our metrics in terms of uh of geographical growth past all of them not economic growth god knows like if you're selling personal accountability they don't sell nearly as fast as iphones where people can watch porn but apple Apple maybe is in 35 countries. We were in 162 countries.

And it took me two years to understand this, but I was at the foundation of driving that. I'm not taking anything away from anyone else by saying that, but it was the media that drove that. Everything from the documentary in 2008, Every Second Counts, to the transformational videos going into 2017-18 when we were having some of the most explosive growth we've ever had in the company. It seems so simple to me to get this company back up on its feet what needs to be done because I see all the things that aren't being done. So, yeah, maybe I'm even a little frustrated.

But anyway, I'll just keep putting my head down and doing the only thing that I know what to do. Um, you know, there, there was that, that was just something we made for a bathroom break. Uh, and it was, and I just shoot from the heart. And, um, so anyway, I do appreciate all the people who've reached out to me. I, um, I, I take a complete, uh, I soak my ego in all the love you guys have been giving me. Um, that coming down from what you got, all this love you guys, uh, spood on the podcast over the last week has been just fucking crazy. I hate to see what the crash is going to be like, but I really appreciate it. Like, like, like I'm reading comments to my mom, you know, like it's, it's, it's, uh, it's cool.

You guys, you guys power me. Um, and, uh, all of you in my DMS, I know I've slowed down. It's taking me like sometimes 48 hours to get back to him. I would just want you to know that every minute I'm shitting, I'm answering DMS. So just remember, uh, and I shit a lot. So you guys are still a number one priority while I poop. Love you guys. Caleb, number one priority while I poop. Love you guys.

Caleb, you the man. Thanks for being here. Always. We will see you guys. Do we have a live calling show tomorrow morning, Caleb? Is that what we're doing? I don't think there's anything scheduled, but. Oh, my God.

I'm glad I stayed on an extra 30 seconds. That's a top premier tennis class. You the man. Costas Anton, thank you. Appreciate it. That's a hell of tennis class. You da man. Costas Anton, thank you. Appreciate it. That's a hell of a drawing too. Have a great day, everyone. Sean, Patrick Clark, good to see you in the comments.

Like I said before, we're covering CrossFit better than CrossFit is right now. Allison, they need you. Thank you. David Weed, awesome dude. Yeah, Dale is an awesome dude. Adam Blakeslee, favorite guest. I hear you, Bruce Wayne. I got to start from the beginning. He's everything. He's smart and funny and edgy and enlightening. And that dude's a complete package. G. Josh, always a good time when he comes on. G. Josh, I so appreciate

your wisdom and all your comments. Don't think I don't see them throughout YouTube. in all your comments. Don't think I don't see them throughout YouTube. You are my favorite critic. You're never harsh, but like Jeffrey Birchfield, I always feel like you give me love and help me point towards the true north. All right, guys. I will talk to you guys all soon.

Bye-bye.