The Sevan Podcast - #727 - Paulo Rubio | How To Get Into a Knife Fight, Better

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

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two it's 7 a.m there it is damn we're live it is damn you're are you in toronto i am in toronto yeah 10 a.m for you 10 a.m still early i i'm in uh santa cruz california about as far away as i can be from you except for caleb who's deployed in an undisclosed location even further away what's up man uh very very far away paul i always uh he's he's deployed and he's uh basically i call him i say he's part of an equity experiment but thank god he's deployed because then i get him every morning to help me with the show he can't he can't run away i don't have to pay him he's just stuck perfect man yeah yeah he's fast he's the perfect partner uh all righty good morning everyone good morning vindicate kenneth bruce guys alan i uh i want to start this morning and i want to show you a clip of uh paul um a father of two you have two have two. Yes, sir. I want to show you this clip of Paul playing with his daughter.

How old is she here, Paul? She's 11. And how old is she now? 11. 11. That's her. Yeah, this was recently. Very recently.

And what are you guys doing? This isn't checkers or? No. Well, as far as it depends on the perspective, right? Like I'm being a dad trying to teach her some coordination skills, really trying to spend some time with her. To her, it's just a game. This is a drill called Sabayan.

And it's a drill from the art of Bikini Tursha, which is a Filipino called sabayan and uh it's a drill from the art of bikini tertia which is a filipino martial art and it contains within this drill you know two common strikes but when i when i play it with my kids it's more like patty cake you know i don't uh i don't know Some of the comments imply that, you know, she, she killed you. I guess it's, you know, Did she Paul? Little murderer. Also. Yeah, this is, this video got almost a million views and it was just interesting how people interpreted this. I didn't even think about it until you said the comments did anyone

say was there one negative comment yes yeah there were plenty yeah and the predominant one was that i was giving her a false sense of security oh geez and that's not how knife fight goes and i was just like man the context i wrote was i was just spending time with my daughter you know like we were playing and this is a thing about the knife world right it's it uh people infuse their interpretation of value into all sorts of things and this was me spending time with my daughter playing with those awesome acu strike knives and uh me and you know teaching her a little bit of the filipino martial art those are those of you who are worried that this isn't how a knife fight goes also remember that 86 of the cell phones in the united states have watched porn

and that's not how relationships go all right so let me let me let me let me let me let me put that put that up that's not how healthy relationships go i mean let me let me tell me let me put that put that up that's not how healthy relationships go let me let me tell you that um you also uh there's a video on your instagram it's an amazing instagram by the way people it's gn underscore funker tactical it's one of those accounts um that you can just get lost on there's so much much fun stuff on there. He has a ton of cool stuff showing athleticism, comedy, but also a ton of micro tutorials on things. I caught myself setting my phone up and practicing the triangle footwork. It's like a common theme in your Instagram account.

I'm like, I don't have time to practice this shit, but I'm preparing for a podcast. But I stopped and I did, and I'm going to show my sons today. But there's a video in there where you're, you're training with your son and you basically say that he's young. You basically say that he doesn't even know what he's preparing for. Like he doesn't, he doesn't know that this, this is a drill for knife fighting or for warming up. It's just a patty cake game to him. Yes. And I thought that was so cool because that's how I do it. My kids have been doing jiu-jitsu three to seven days a week for three years.

Damn. I never talk to them. I let them figure out what it is. Yeah. Yeah. My kids also did jiu-jitsu. And that 11-year-old girl, I mean, she was a provincial champ. Wow.

In jujitsu? In jujitsu. And she was like nine. Wow. Yeah. But she hated it. That's a crazy scene, by the way. I'll go over to – I'm in Santa Cruz, so I'll go over the hill.

Yeah. And here's your son. How old's your son? He's 15. Yeah. And he and I have been playing this since he was you know maybe 10 9 years old god how fun and you're building a dance partner for yourself yeah and he's uh he's a little over a year into boxing now i've been building this guy up to be my trading partner since he was uh three years old

and it's a it's a lot of reps, right? It's slow and patient. Yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah. I mean, you guys know this, but all the, you know, the, I don't know, the uninitiated think everything needs to be like a full-on pressure test fight and train like you fight you fight fight how you train and they just spew all of these you know memes and without really understanding not that there isn't any truth to

train as you fight fight as you train slow smooth smooth as fast better to be tried by 12 and carried by six and all of all of these you know one-liners that people wish to encompass the totality of their training to without really understanding what they mean weird stuff man the knife world is weird dude training martial arts it's so weird man well it is weird i i trip on the fact so i go over the hill to san jose i enter my kids in these jiu-jitsu tournaments that they have every few months um first of all every you're lucky if you see one blonde haired person there which i find fascinating right it's it's all people who look like you it's all filipinos latin american people brazilian it's all those people

and then it's another interesting thing that we're all we must be weird parents because we're all bringing our kids to do a combat sport on the weekend. And I got, and part of me is like, this is so cool. And part of me is like, what's wrong with us? Yeah.

There's, there's my, uh, there's my young, or my oldest. He's just, he just turned eight. Yeah.

And, and, and those are my, and he's, uh, training with, um, one of his brothers.

I, there's, there's twins. That's amazing, man. Jiu Jitsu is so good for kids bro it's it's so good for them hey you know what um way off subject here but you know one of the byproducts of it are that i never expected was um comfortability touching people oh huge my kids are so touchy

feely loving when they see other kids They're not afraid of people's bodies. They're not afraid of their bodies. They sit close to people. They just understand their bodies so well. And in an era where so many people want to – where kids' identity is so fucked up and parents are putting so many fucked up things into their heads, I just love the fact that I don't have to do that. I just give them opportunity and they're building their own identity. So if I ask my kids, who are you? They give their name.

And then I say, well, what's something that you're good at? And they're like, jujitsu. You know what I mean? Like they're just building. They don't have to worry about any of these crazy ideas that adults are putting into their head about their identity, their identity. Yeah. That's, that's beautiful, man. And the thing with, the thing with jujitsu that I really found,

somebody dropped this into my brain a few years ago, this idea of manufacturing adversity and that children these days don't really get the kind of adversity that people our age had growing up, you know, cause I was in that transition like there were no i grew up in the philippines until i was nine years old so i was out in the out in the streets playing you know exploring finding trouble figuring out what i can step on and and and what will make me fall through and you're being chased by animals And a lot of the kids growing up these days don't have that kind of gradual, incremental adversity that tests and builds their character. And so jujitsu is one of those ways where you can manufacture adversity to build character.

So there's a lot happening in a kid's jujitsu class. A lot happening. But before we leave this subject, and I want to go back to the beginning of your life but how for parents out there like i have no i have no combat experience zero at all me too me too people think i do man but i'm not i'm a straight up civilian yeah but man you have really you've really immersed yourself in a world and you are a wealth of knowledge and i think what you're sharing with the world and what you're doing as a, I call it a repeater, man, you just going out there and repeating information,

good information you're getting is awesome. But do you have any thoughts on how parents can pick a good jujitsu gym or, or good coaches? It's been something I've been focused on a lot. The importance of making sure you find a coach because you're taking your kid there three to five days a week yeah and your kids are spending time there and a lot of facilities like you could take your kids to a gymnastics facility if you watch it's just a glorified babysitter right but that's not why i take my kids somewhere do you have any like you know i do man i do and it's it's it's not high level stuff right if it if it's if the place is clean if there are a lot of kids

of different ages and sizes and if they roll that's really it you know um parents who are you mean when you say roll sparring sparring in the class yeah yeah um and that's that's some people will be like duh so some some places are still prohibitive i mean you know they're scared they're scared of the liabilities so it's it's a jujitsu class with no rolling they exist um but that's pretty much it you know observe observe how the kids are during class and and again, I say this as, you know, as a parent who knows that probably the number one factor is proximity to your home, you know, right, right, right. It's got to be close by, right. It's got to be close by so that, you know, you can be consistent with it. And I'm also saying this as somebody who not from the perspective of a parent who's like okay well from the age of three

i'm gonna get my kids to to do a sport so that they can be a professional one day and then that could be their living you know it's just for pure development just make sure there's just there's a handful of kids there enough to challenge them it'd be nice if they weren't the biggest kid there right right um yeah i um i i've pulled my kids out of situation where he's the rabbit like he's been the rabbit for a year and it's like time to move him like he needs kids that he's chasing not everyone chasing him i love that analogy yeah right he can't he can't be the best kid in the class for long absolutely um born in the philippines yeah were you barefoot kid the way you said you had to worry about what you stepped on you you raised without shoes we were all raised without shoes in the philippines

no um i was actually i mean i i was raised in a in a pretty big city but like a lot of people in the philippines there was a provincial sort of rural connection where our grandparents might live in a place that we might visit over the weekend so i had this like crazy childhood where i was like jumping roofs some tin some plastic i've like fallen through wells i've been attacked by monkeys i've been in you know scuffles i've been in scuffles I've been thrown into a boxing match just as a 8 year old running wild in the streets of Manila

and then in the weekend we would drive to grandma's house and the closest neighbor was maybe it wasn't far, it's not like rural America or anything, but it was proper jungle, you know,

like the backyard led into a river system, a Creek, rice fields were full of awesome things. So yeah, I had a, I had a super fun childhood in that way. And do you have siblings? Yeah, I had a super fun childhood in that way. And do you have siblings? Yeah, I have three sisters. Are they all in the States too? Or North America? Yeah, yeah, they're all in Canada here.

And I apologize for that. Us Americans have trouble. We just think we are all of North America. I'll get them used to it, bro. And why did your family go to Canada? What was that journey like? My dad was ambitious, man. He knew how to speak Japanese and French.

English is their second language in the Philippines. And he was just adventurous. And he wanted to look for opportunity. So, boom. Roulette wheel, Canada, Toronto. Let's go. And what was your first language? It was Tagalog and English.

At the same time? Yeah. So when you showed up in Canada, you spoke English? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't have to take English as a second language classes or anything like that and so you're a nine-year-old uh filipino boy with three sisters are you the oldest yeah i am wow okay yeah in traditional stuff in in that sense uh there's a responsibility that comes with that um yeah you know my family my dad was always black sheepish you know like he would just be a supremely logical individual

so certain traditions he would adhere to i remember him not wanting to go to church which is kind of strange. You know, Philippines is like 90% Roman Catholic or something like that. He was just kind of like an adventurous, logical, free thinker kind of dude. So, yeah, we had tradition. But, yeah. Also, when we moved to Canada, we had no family here. No family.

My father passed away when I was 19 years old, so 10 years later. Why so young? I guess it runs in the family. Heart issues. He had a stroke. Yeah. And then all of a sudden I was like, shit i'm the last rubio wow in this

cold place and so it was it was very important part of my life where you know this is why i'm so resistant to a lot of the filipino martial arts community where a lot of them are pretty much respect your elders, whatever they say is right, and this is how you stop a knife. I'm just like, what the – wait, hold on. Let's examine that because I had this built into me to question everything and not just bow down to my elder. I made this video in Filipino martial arts about Filipino martial arts,

and the title was, you are not my elder. And it was just like, it was about this. It was just about, we shouldn't readily accept the stories that were being told about these techniques that are supposed to work. And that was because of the upbringing that I had. So people find it strange. I don't belong in either, you know, sect in Philippine martial arts. Like I'm not entirely combative.

I love the art, history and culture. I'm also not like so dogmatic and blind to, yeah, there's a lot of bullshit in this. Let's address them that being said you are by no means a hater your account is full of tons of respect even when you address people who have techniques that you think are flawed you're respectful and there's even a video on your youtube where where you go and you apologize you find a guy who's an expert in the field um who you had it out with on the internet and you um you make amends yeah that was craig douglas from shivworks i was so i was blown away when i saw that video i was like holy it gave me

hope for all of humanity i don't even know what the dispute, I don't, I didn't know what the dispute was, but just the way you, you came up and you addressed him and you squashed it. Uh, I was like, wow. Yeah. Um, a few years back I had questioned one of the techniques that he was proposing and it kind of got, you know, social media is people love drama. Yeah. That's the man right there, Craig Douglas. He's actually a really cool dude. But he's a no-nonsense guy. And I was, at that time, to him, just another internet troll asking questions perhaps I shouldn't have been asking the way that I should have been asking them.

So a few years down the road, we were at the same event. I made an active attempt to talk to him and be like, hey, dude, let's talk about it. I'm a different person. I want to clear some things up. And then we're buddies now. Did he remember the incident? Oh, of course. Yeah, because people blew it way out of proportion, man.

In fact, as i was going to that event there were people messaging him and messaging me like hey kirk douglas is gonna be there and he said this about you people just they were just kind of like fine fine yeah yeah yeah yeah i picture a school year yeah so i got these messages i'm like what people are weird dude so as soon as he stepped into the hotel where we're all kind of staying i i stepped up i'm like what people are weird dude so as soon as he stepped into the hotel where we're all kind of staying i i stepped up i'm like hey man shook his hand and i'm like i think we need to talk yeah it's it's a it's a it's a beautiful video that shows how um gentlemen should act yeah thanks man yeah thanks for sharing that those things are those things are hugely impactful it's like um you know we have this rule in my house if my wife and i get Yeah, thanks, man. right? Yeah. They need that lesson too. They need to. Absolutely. They need, they need to know how relationships work.

So you get there at nine years old and have you, when you get to Canada, have you started in the, in the Filipino arts? No martial arts. No. You know how long ago I started doing Filipino martial arts? A thousand years ago from the way it looks on Instagram.

No, it's like five, six years. No kidding. Yeah. There's a process to it it i'm smashing dudes in competition right and this is again a part of why and you're a beautiful mover the way you move your body is so beautiful oh thanks man that's it looks like you've been doing it forever yeah yeah yeah no i i dude i like the way you think man you're like uh this cosmic observer and appreciator of some things that people might not i love watching people move i love watching

too dude yeah me too like that's the thing it doesn't it doesn't like lie oh geez yeah that's that's how old are you now i'm 42 okay so you so around 35 is when you started yeah 37 35 37 yeah yeah yeah i was initially just documenting stuff i'm dude i sit all day i'm a video editor i'm a content creator i'm a cameraman i'm a director of all those things um and man this is another crazy tangent story about how a civilian canadian hippie-ish immigrant all of a sudden runs funker tactical traveling the world with special forces and you know going to africa with chris barrett and your contacts and your friends are insane the people that you're rubbing shoulders with are just insane yeah dude from bisbing to

i saw the dana white photo to uh what's the um max holloway and then to all of these guys who are the unknowns in the shadows uh endless guys of those who are who are imparting knowledge on the world oh yeah Ed Calderon we had him on the show crazy you know what I think it is dude it's like there's a lot of fakeness in the tactical community and the martial arts community there's a lot of

even in yeah it's like my ops are blacker than yours and friggin oh were you here or were you there and what belt did you have? And how many certificates, you know, certification? I'm just like, dude, I don't care, man. You know? And so I find also that a lot of people are trapped within like this image that they've crafted for themselves. You know, you're, you're,

you're a big tough Delta when you, when you can't enjoy Mario cart, like you can't enjoy a Thai latte latte bro yeah we know the truth man and uh and i just think people like that in those positions and situations just kind of appreciate somebody seeing them as a fucking human being first of all like hey what do mr you know badass dude who's like done extraordinary things for humanity like what do you have in common with me you know you do you watch netflix too and like eat too many cookies sometimes and i that's how i think i get to rub shoulders and you know go on all these adventures meaning you disarm them because you're real personal with them you connect on a level that's not just the combative protector world yeah and i i'm not i'm not judgmental at all man up

for a period in in my life this is my job okay um i would get a phone call and i would have to fly somewhere to talk to a veteran because they're ready to share their story on camera, stuff that they'd not told their wives or their families. I'd worked for this veteran owned and operated PTSD intervention and awareness campaign. Part of that was telling these stories. I was the guy who they flew to meet a stranger. In half an hour, we were both bawling our eyes out. Then I got to go edit that video and tell that

story, recreate that story so that other people will be like, that happened to me too. so that other people will be like, hey, that happened to me too. And yeah. I want to get to that in one second. By the way, have you read The Longest Kill by Craig Harrison? No, no.

I think that's no longer the record, by the way. Oh, really? Oh, you mean it's not The Longest Kill? Yeah. Oh, yeah. For what it's worth, that's not even what the book's about so yeah that i highly recommend that book you've probably heard the stories he he's gonna be on the show soon i read the book was super cool man what an insane story what an insane insane um yeah this is this is a brutal, brutal story about PTSD.

It is absolutely – and I was – it was one of those audiobooks I was so sad when it was over. But this is a remarkable book. I think you will love it. Okay. It is – Audiobook. Audio book is fine. Okay.

Yeah. I mean basically the abusive childhood enters the military. Wally's in the military. Can't get along., goes AWOL, tries to join the French Foreign Legion. After the French Foreign Legion finds out that he's AWOL, they send him back to the UK. He basically just cleans up dead bodies for four years, and he goes into excruciating detail about all the bodies he has to clean up and piece kids into bags. And then he finally begs to be a sniper and after two years he gets to become a sniper and it is uh i i can't even believe i can't i can't even believe this is real life and then he comes back and he's fucked he's fucked he's fucked the most so vulnerable

um commenting like dude's vaping on the show sorry man is that is that cool do it do what you want do what you want thanks um hey we had hunter mcintyre i don't know if you know who that is he's one of the fittest men in the world he's a high rocks world champion it's this it's this kind of uh it's like a crossfit workout that this other company has taken and just made the whole event is around that and i've had him on the show and he's vaping i'm just like holy shit cool yeah we're not i mean don't let me into the vapor guy please it's just my way of calling the nicotine so i i guess it's semi better than smoking cigarettes or being on that chew stuff which is awesome but. But yeah, it's just nicotine.

Nicotine is a powerful drug. Another fascinating topic on the show. Yes, it is. Very powerful. Yeah. But anyway, I was going to say, speaking about that book, what you noted about it, probably one of the most severe cases or instances of PTSD that I've documented was from a combat cook like yeah the the guy in

the fob cooking up the meals and i'm like before this video was even released you had all these people like kind of bagging on the dude like oh okay well you know what it is man it's like all the infantry guys are like what but then some people kind of they're like oh i get it but he was the dude as soon as that you know um truck of a and a dudes were going to be offloaded and prepared for their families, basically casualties. He's the first guy to volunteer to process, right? So he was around death and like just the smells and the things he had to do. And, you know, he was like that bridge. He saw how families reacted to the, to the individual and, and how that impacted them.

And he had to prepare in some way to, to hand the family back. So it's, what does ANA stand for? Afghan National Army. Yeah. Sorry. One more time. Afghan National Army. Oh.

In the air force, the, like the chefs are like the cooks, they also have to do mortuary affairs. So they're the ones that are also processing bodies and stuff too. Yeah. Oh, shit. You could have somebody who's making lunch and then they get a casualty come in and they have to process them that afternoon, essentially. Yeah. It's nuts, man. essentially yeah it's nuts man and i this is just one thing that it's just a byproduct of ignorance for people and how quickly they comment online and we can we can talk about you know a martial

arts move all the same it's just people are generally ignorant of a lot of things that they, you know, want to appear to be experts at. And it's easy because they're behind, they're sitting behind their computer. They're on their phone on a subway and they can just spout off. Yeah, dude. So, so at nine years old, you're already familiar. You've already learned your body pretty well from just exploring Manila and being a free range kid. It sounds like.

Nice term. I love it. Yeah. And then you come to the United States or into Toronto. And do you pick up any sports? What do you do to keep yourself busy and start moving? Do you do sports? Do you do martial arts?

Do you do anything like that? No, I did a year of Muay Thai. I did a year of this thing, which was like a blend of karate and something else. But I've always been outside. I've always played. I've always wrestled with my friends. I just loved controlled fighting. Like even in high school, I wasn't like a punk, but I wanted to fight.

So I made friends with the big guys and the tough guys. And then I even organized one thing where we'd go to the YMCA, lay down mats and just kind of play fight. Wow. I was, I never, I've never really taken any formal class, like in the Filipino martial arts and the bladed arts. I've never taken regularly scheduled classes. I've never subscribed

to one instructor i was just fortunate to have crafted a career that allowed me to travel and seek out experts and because they know like i'm not going to be you know i go to some you know highly touted grandmaster and we have a chat and we do knife flows and we play it's a very pure interaction because they know I'm not going to be their student, that I'm not going to sign up for the three-month trial that leads me into the one-year membership. I'm not a belt chaser. So we just have this, like, very pure exchange of information. And that's what – and I've done that for over a decade across the field of fighting from you know precision shooting like i was helicoptered up to the rocky mountains with

some canadian snipers and i'm just finding all of these really really interesting commonalities across the spectrum of fighting like like a karambit and a you know a sniper rifle like at the two extreme ranges of combat there's things in common what's a karambit oh a karambit is like a curved blade okay with the ring it's like a southeast asian knife thing yeah oh i got one of those from home depot for opening boxes yeah and i cut a hole and i cut a hole in my leg yeah it's one of them yeah jackass those are pretty again it's what i mean the carabin is a it sucks compared to a straight edge you know fixed blade but it's just one of those things that people are mystified about because it looks freaking cool.

It looks like the claws of a tiger and, you know, T-1000 had a baby. Jeez. Right. Like, like it's the nail of it. Yeah. Yeah. You said you're 42. Yeah.

So 31 years, 31 years ago ago you picked up your first video camera 11 years old i was 11 years old yeah and sony 8 handycam with the with the big cassettes uh yes yeah yeah well they yeah medium size they were. They weren't the mini DV. They weren't the mini DV. Yeah, they were the precursor to the mini DV. Then there was Hi8. Yeah. Yeah. And whose camera was that?

And why did you pick it up? It was my dad's. It was my dad's. I was 11 years old. He brought one home. And as soon as I looked through that viewfinder, I was like, this is what I want to do forever. Oh, really? You knew?

Oh, I knew, man. I knew the moment that I was able to preserve a moment in that way and play it back. It's like, this is freaking awesome. I came after you, which is kind of crazy. I had that camera right there. I had like three of the like the high eights I got from circuit city. And then I moved to DVD, but I would, I came a little bit after you. I started in probably 2000.

And so you, you, you would shoot these movies and as a young kid, were you frustrated that you couldn't edit them? Did you know right away that that was a missing piece? I edited in camera. Okay. You would just kind of like compose the shot and then time when you hit record to make a cut. Right.

Make a cut, so to speak. But that didn't last very long because in high school, when I was in high school, That didn't last very long because in high school, when I was in high school, excuse me, my school had an AV program that shut down when I was in grade 11. So me and my friends stole like the linear editing equipment. So we had for the longest time in my house, I had like a VHS to VHSs editing machine like manually scrubbing videos and yeah i've been editing also for a long time hey isn't it crazy like that a school would shut down their video editing program when you're junior knowing now what the future looked like it's like they should have doubled down and quadrupled the size of the program instead of shutting it down because now it's like i mean that we're here it that that is the job a video editor well the thing is that equipment was really really really expensive back i remember yeah right and so even to just have a an editing

platform which is essentially two vhs decks together was like $70,000. Right. So it was, and then at that time when technology was like revving up and things were getting replaced and things were getting smaller, there was a, there's a period of time where it's like you bought a studio would buy 60,000 or, you know, a hundred thousand dollar cameras.

And then in three years, they're absolutely practically obsolete, but they can't afford to replace it. Right. So there was a weird time where we were watching high definition standard definition and some really crappy looking stuff with some gorgeous looking stuff it was a very interesting time but yeah yeah the iphone's better than any camera that we started with it's nuts man yeah so you you actually took the equipment from the high school do you remember did you sneak in at night you actually remember doing that no i was actually part of like um it had been in this room with like chairs stacked on top of it and it was only like a handful of

of guys who were really into that stuff um and so somebody would take a light from that room or you know and then one day, my buddy was like, do you want this? I'm like, fuck yeah. So I was in my room. I was in my room. I wasn't part of the break-in crew. I wish I was.

That sounds really cool, but no. And then, Paul, when we used to make videos, there was nowhere to show them, so I would make the videos because there was no internet yet and there was no YouTube. And I would take them down to the public access station. I don't know if you guys had that in Canada. And I would give them the tape and they would tell me what time they were going to air it. And then I would go up and put flyers all around town.

Wow, you did that? Yeah. That's so cool, man. To announce that my show was coming on. And if I got just one viewing, I was like beside myself and I would throw a party at the pizza place and I would put it on the TV and the pizza place. And we would do that. And I did that fuck for years. I did that for three years. That's crazy, man. Were you disappointed you couldn't find an audience for your stuff?

Oh, man. Or did you find an audience? Were you disappointed you couldn't find an audience for your stuff? Or did you find an audience? It was such a great pleasure in content creation that if I had five people watch it, it was awesome. And then I ended up going to college for broadcasting as well. And so it was just from the moment that I was 11, it was just like a gradual growth of audience from just my immediate family to my extended family to my classmates to the college and then right around that time was when youtube was coming up so we started uploading our content there it was like holy crap bro like see that like 45 views

yeah yeah yeah damn 45 views i wonder who these people are yeah and uh yeah it's just a really interesting evolution for me what what um do you remember when starting your first is this is this gunner tactical uh funker tactical your first is that the your original youtube station uh no no no i mean in college we had it's it's all down now because like we were using copyrighted material and like right but um no you remember when that happened when they swept in and just like if you everyone was using stolen songs and everything you you're this kid and you're getting threatened by some big yeah it's funny man like funker the funker tactical uh youtube channel has over a million subscribers

and i i rarely upload there anymore kind of got kind of got burnt out in a way um from the tactical community. You did? Yeah. Just the – there's just a – it's a tough place to be because there's so much criticism. It's just like, all right, I'm going to take a break. No, I'll tell you, man, when I first got into it, everyone's like, oh, it's a tight-knit community. Everyone looks out for each other. It's bullshit.

It's not the case. Somebody has the wrong site and he's being attacked by a thousand people you know what i mean and it's it's also like a very on on the business side of things it's it's there's like a thin veil of civility amongst these firearms manufacturers and these accessory manufacturers and especially at the onset of like you know the the youtubers i used to go to i last two years were the only two years i didn't go to shot show for like maybe seven years for people who don't know that's a huge show in um las vegas where i don't know thousands of of people in the combat of space show and they hire their

favorite Navy SEAL to man the booth and people walk around and look at the latest and greatest it's like Disneyland for gun guys pretty much right but yeah there was just a lot of I mean the tight-knit community was there the support

was there but it was it was also like it was a grind, man. Like I was producing videos for like Smith & Wesson and Barrett and doing pieces on the new Glock. And, frigging, it was just endless. It was a grind. I enjoyed every bit of it. But there was no conversation to be had, man.

There was almost no room for logic, no room for debate, no room for skepticism, especially when the guy presenting the thing that you're questioning, you know, has, you know, this storied military background. It was almost disrespectful for somebody who has no military experience to have a question and to have a voice. But, you know, there were these beacons of hope, like Kawa Malai, right? Like this dude, too alpha to quit that dude. Or even like Tony Sedmanet uh who's a swat operator they were just all of these guys um you know craig sawyer guys that i would meet they're like bro you have you have the right to

question like it doesn't matter what somebody did the number one foundation is logic and that we welcome a healthy civil debate but but everyone says that right i was gonna say how do you know if they really mean it because i press them on it i i actually am skeptical and i ask you know um one of the biggest things right everybody in this space wants to be the player coach the teacher student the white belt mentality they're always learning right every sifu guru grandmaster expert will make that claim i'm still learning you know um part-time instructor full-time student like that kind of crap and then i'd go okay when was the last time you took a class from somebody else, you'd be like, oh. But some people would be like, oh, last month taking combat submission wrestling with Eric Paulson.

And so, yeah, real-world tactical. Somebody just made a comment. Tony Sentmanet. Solid dude. Great guy. And, yeah, I just couldn't find a voice and it was it was it was really hurting hurting that i couldn't ask these questions so i'm like i'm gonna go into this martial arts world and see what's up seems more open-minded right there's only you know if

master sergeant was like this is how you pull a trigger that's how you pull the trigger but in martial arts somebody says this is how you pull a trigger. I'm like, that's how you pull a trigger. But in martial arts, somebody says, this is how you throw a kick. There's a bunch of opinions. We can have a discussion. But it's just as close-minded, man. It's just as dogmatic. It's just as my, this is the way I was taught, and this is what my master did. And then it becomes comparing, well, your master didn't really fight.

My master had eight fights. I was like, let's talk about logic, man. Let's talk about what you're capable of, how it's taught. Because not to be, you know, post-modernistic about it, but like there is some truth to, you know, nothing works and everything works. Right? But it's a slippery slope like we don't want to be teaching nonsensical stuff to somebody who wants self-defense solutions which ought to be immediate and you should you should have functional skill sets in a relatively

short period of time but yeah it was just as dogmatic and closed-minded but there was more room for conversation that's where i sort of crafted my voice and now hopping back into the tactical community i can articulate these things and i can be a little bit more i can present myself as a skeptic despite not having served in law enforcement nor military nor even professional security just a dude who kind of traveled the world met with all these people um had these conversations stumbled back home drunk after like an awesome night of just hanging out with these dudes and you know i come back and i'm like i'm questioning this krav maga master you you know, claims to be like Israeli special forces.

But, you know, they're all special forces. Like, I've never met a Krav Maga guy that wasn't Israeli special forces. Like, they've got a ton of special forces. But, you know, we can go beyond that. We can go beyond the certificates on the wall and just, hey, let's talk about mechanics and possibility versus probability and capability versus development. How can you claim that this technique works? And people still get upset by it. But you've earned your stripes.

You took your lickings you you you've established yourself i i watched a podcast recently where these people own a big security firm and you basically did a podcast with them i can't remember exactly and it's it's more like a consulting session it's these two guys who are you know experts in their field but they have you on their podcast and they're super respectful and they're basically asking you questions as if they paid you to be their consultant. I mean, you earned your stripes. Yeah.

Thank you, man. And that happens quite a bit. People are surprised. But then again, man, if you look at my Instagram account, there's like dick jokes and inappropriateness and things that I, you know. I love those breaks. I feel like I, you know. I love those breaks.

I feel like I'm running up. I love those breaks with all the funny shit you got in there, mixed in there. Yeah. And I show my mistakes, bro, which is something that nobody really does in the, you know, subject matter expert field. I show me getting stabbed and get rocked and like, oh, frick, I dropped my knife. Right. Yeah. This is awesome. Yeah yeah this one's crazy um have you ever had a real job whatever that means yeah i had one real job one time

um it was actually i was a master control operator for a broadcast satellite company which meant uh i got to watch TV and monitor it for quality and make sure that it was up and running. It's a super cool job, man. Super cool. There's like 500 TV monitors in front of me and I can punch up stuff here. And that real job didn't last for very long.

No, I didn't get to enjoy that for very long because I had a kid right after and i was like damn that's good money and so and so you're just you're you're in it's at heart you're you are an artist and an entrepreneur and an artist yeah a creator like we all are like we all are and so you um you're in canada you're uh you you the video camera comes at 11 has it been steady ever since yeah it's always been okay and then you know that you like um the physicality of of tussling with your friends you're organizing stuff and you know the local ymca to like hey guys let's get a room and just just fool around, wrestle, throw down. And when does it become more.

You start to see that those two worlds are going to blend and you're actually going to try. Do you ever think, hey, I'm going to try to make a business of this or are you like it just happens organically? Well, I like tussling and I like video cameras. And so I'm going to start mixing the two together. And then, yeah. How did those two merge? And then you think, oh, I can actually do my two favorite things and make money. Yeah.

You know, I worked in TV. I worked in film sets. And then the catalyst for me taking the plunge, I always knew this is what I wanted to do, and I had to figure out a way to make money. Right. But specifically how martial arts and tactical got melded with the content creation, that's a cool story. Yeah. I smashed my ankle in a snowboarding accident when my wife was eight months pregnant. Oh, bad timing.

It was really terrible. And it was in the middle of winter. It was bad. But the insurance companies and doctors gave me four months to heal. And then I dedicated everything to, like, I would wake up and just do an hour of like ankle circles and i would try like panamanian jungle oils and anyway i i cut that healing time in half i healed in two months but i you know didn't the doctors and the insurance guys they gave me four months so in those two months i literally went out with my camera and i just told stories i met with strangers i

told these like little mini documentaries and that's when it was it was really like this is definitely what i want to do and i'm gonna leave this cushy job to just go head first and then everything kind of just snowballed from there but was that scary making that leap super scary it was the scariest thing i'd ever done man it was yeah and it was a was your did your wife protest no yeah she believed in you she kind of knew how i was and and that i'm kind of miserable when i'm not doing something that i love and creating she knew how happy I was when I was just making videos and sharing them. So yeah, that's her. There she is.

Pretty awesome. Yeah. So it's just, I got, dude, I was, I was telling stories for like, you know, Xbox Canada and PlayStation. I, I was at thereal grand prix doing videos for the mercedes patronus team i was just like in this consumer electronic you know fashion gaming world just telling these human stories right like when the splinter cell came out by ubisoft they had me talk to the motion capture team and the and then then I think it was a background artist team.

And I just told these stories, short little stories. And then when I got kind of pulled into the tactical community, I was like, holy fuckballs. Everyone's got a dope story. And at that time, everyone's like doing backyard gun videos so i kind of applied what i'd learned and i i produce i don't know if you guys know like fps russia like hello my friends this is fps russia oh yeah yeah you know today we have the aka four to seven like he's actually like you know the son of a chicken farmer in georgia i made you know six or seven of his videos like all of these gun dudes you know i've i've had some

relationship with in terms of hey let's craft this let's craft this friggin um you know influencer space but it was really just content creation space for the tactical community. And when did you, and when did you pick up your, wow, 16 million, wow, 7 million subscribers. Holy cow. This dude is huge, man.

We did a product, a collaboration with that movie, Olympus has fallen. You know, it's like he was getting major budgets. He was one of the first like oh gee big budget youtubers and and so um when did your youtube station hit a million subscribers i think it was two years ago maybe maybe a year and a half ago but at that time i kind of lost steam and i really didn't want to do it all but it just cascaded there's still some videos that i created like five years ago that all of a sudden spike in views because somebody discovered it right so so so there was a blend of you really love this thing

yeah but but you also were starting to feel the obligation to feed the beast like like your youtube station was a baby feed me feed me yeah yeah and also man managing all of these like alpha males and dude there's one time i went to shot show with like a team of 40 and it was a canadian sniper a krav maga guy from north carolina instructor zero from italy this martial arts guy from belgium and it was just like everyone was secretly talking you know this guy's bullshit uh why will you believe in that stuff and i was kind of like in the middle i was just fucking exhausting yeah exhausting trying to be like the alpha male whisperer and like trying to appease everybody's insecurities and be like no dude you're the man

don't worry it's it's funny you say that i um when i worked over at uh crossfit inc um i was it was my first experience being around you know i was uh born and raised hyper liberal hate the police hate the military and then i got immersed into the crossfit world where it was a ton of first responders using that uh lifestyle methodology in order to stay prepared and i quickly realized that i'm not a i'm not a beta or an alpha i'm an alpha tamer yeah like that was i like the way you said alpha whisper like my job is to navigate i'm the guy who walks around and feeds the lions and for some reason i can walk around in here and i and not get eaten yeah it's definitely not one of them but i'm definitely not one of them bro it's funny that you mentioned that like i'm a pot smoking

like i love uh the healing properties of you know magic mushrooms uh i was like pure liberal before i went into this like gunwell it was funny because for a while it was like my dirty little secret. Everyone's like drinking lib tears. And I'm like, I think I'm still liberal. I'm running one of the biggest gun channels in the world. But then, I mean, they're so misrepresented, man. It's like Yosemite Sam is like every American gun owner. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's what the, you know.

The left wants you to believe. Yeah right like that's what the you know the left wants you to believe yeah and and that's what i was fed like i thought everybody from the south was like not that smart and right every soldier and cop were like this way and it was just like the world was revealed to me in my and you know in my world travel and in meeting extraordinary human beings who do some fucking really cool stuff, man. And you're the Filipino guy that went into the tall white man world. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, I went on a safari with two rich white dudes and it was a blast. I was making fun of them. I'm like, hey, you guys are the endangered species now. You get a single white male, you guys can't say nothing bro and i was like i i like that show that you did um your co-host is a black guy and you guys are talking about the possibilities of what if uh will smith was white or what if chris rock was white or what if one of them was a woman or what if one of them was transgender or whatever, you know, whatever those people are that cut their penises off. I just love that honesty in the discussion.

It needs to be had more. And it's said with no spite or hate. But unfortunately, that's the only place where it is important to to have someone with the color of their skin this your skin fucking doesn't matter except for your relationship with the sun but in those discussions the fact that it's you and a black guy having it yeah it's like it's unfortunately we need that we this this country needs that so fucking bad from strong black people right now. This is the same reason why we need from obese people to speak up like, Hey, they're fucking lying to you. This sucks.

Like we need, we need those brave people to stand up and be like, it's not the way it is. No, I agree. And, and, and this was a context, which I think is really important. No, I agree. And this was a context, which I think is really important. It was a gas station assault, and it was a white woman being assaulted by a black male. Right, right, right. with this fear of appearing to be racist versus the nuances of managing our safety in that kind of environment, right? Like if a black guy was walking behind me and I cross the sidewalk, that's been the subject of comedic satire.

Am I racist, right? And how does that play into my my self-defense protocols? Right. And so we just had an honest discussion about it. And some people were like, oh, you have to make this about race. Like, no, I just think tons it's been a topic on this show to add nausea my fans probably the viewers probably fucking hate it by now but um uh it's for sure a factor there's people who don't cross the street when they should because they don't want to be judged for being racist listen if you see three boys walking at you i don't care what color they are and they have their pants sagging and they're talking loud and they're 17 years old and you can tell they're a little belligerent cross the fucking street for god's sake yeah cross the fucking street they're just the boys stay away from young men i mean yeah as as a default yeah at the very least it'll give you some information once you cross what happens

right but yeah i was walking down this high this old highway that I live on. And it was in the middle, it was like at six in the morning, sun had just come up. And I was walking home. And there was a black guy walking towards me. And he crossed the street away from me to the other side. There's no, there's nowhere to stand on that side. There's no sidewalk on either side, but my side at least had the shoulder. He crossed to the danger side. And I'm thinking to myself, and I and i've heard you know my friends who are black tell me this story a million times well that person crossed the street to avoid me no you told yourself that story and it doesn't matter whether that story is true or not you told yourself that fucking story and it's like who who would you be without that thought like just fucking hit the reset switch on that like it's it's not doing any of us favor i thought about crossing the street to his side just to fuck with them you know that would have been awesome you know like byron rogers is a big black dude he's one of my homies yeah and same for you know kenny big b jr people you should really look up but they're like highly intelligent big muscular combative dudes and and they tell me they tell me stuff like they need to go out of their way to disarm people and to appear non-threatening because they know that's the

perception that people have of them right right so the same way a short little guy postures up to try to be tough right because the perception of when you watch me walk in the room is that i'm a little old man right and so i thought that was cool but also unfortunate you know really though that's byron rogers yeah paul let's explore that though for a second sure really like um if if you're six four and you're a man, life, life is not fair. And that's one of the things you've been dealt with. Like, Hey, you're going to have to, um, if you want people to let you're going to have, you don't have to, but one of the roles you might play is to disarm people.

Yeah. And it's just the way it is. Life isn't fair. Right. I'm not saying that's not the way it is. It is the way it is. Absolutely. Life isn't fair.

Yeah. And I'm staying away from anyone who in in if i'm even suspicious at all of someone who's six four and has an insane body like that dude i'm i'm i'm make i'm gonna watch to make his if he starts talking to himself me and my family are leaving you know what i mean yeah no it's true it's true like and so if he wants to if he looks over and smiles at me and gives me a nod right it's it's so easy we're good yeah yeah i get it man right there's that piece of um especially once you have kids of um self-preservation safety so so so you so you get these so you get these um you you start getting paid gigs you start building obviously uh an amazing reputation and you start feeding the um youtube station

and when does your i don't even know exactly what it is you do, what your discipline is. I mean, obviously it's the Filipino martial arts, but when do you realize if you're already in this space, you have to show some crazy humility to pick up a new skill that you're obviously going to suck at. And when do you do that? And why do you do that? Are you around all these tough guys? And you're like, yeah, I want to learn some of their shit. Like if you hung around all Spanish dudes, you'd be like i'm learning spanish it was something like that like i but but there was also like it was a buffet right like was i gonna learn pistol craft was i gonna learn jujitsu or krav maga am i gonna learn precision shooting what what am i gonna learn and then i found myself in the Philippines, in my homeland, in this Filipino martial arts conference.

And the last day of the conference is always full contact stick sparring. What were you doing there? What capacity were you at the conference? I was documenting it. Okay. Yeah, I was making like tutorial videos for this guy, Jared Weehungi from the, it's called the ptta the bikini tertia tactical association um it's funny he's like the founder of this bikini tertia tactical association bikini tertia is a filipino martial art but this dude his mom is a caucasian lady from texas and his

dad is maori from new zealand um and he lives in Utah. And he's a Mormon. But he's a bad dude, this dude, right? He actually, on a faith-based mission, lived in the Philippines for two years. That's where he picked it up. Faith-based mission meaning spreading the word of God? Yeah. Okay. He learned like four Philippine dialects. He speaks more Filipino languages than me.

It's crazy. Yeah. But anyway, I was there documenting him, and I knew that the last day was full contact stick sparring. This is when the guys who had been training all week and were trying to rank up in this system would have to prove themselves. They fight.

They fight. You have to go five fights in a fight, they fight. We have, you have to go five fights in a row to get graded in, in the higher levels. I was like, I'm going to try this, man. I, I've been this hypothetical warrior,

just observing and like learning philosophies and concepts. I want to see if I can hit a dude with a stick. And I, And I did. I ended up fighting somebody quite high-ranking who had a world championship under his belt in stick fighting. I freaking hit him. I hit him. He destroyed me. I was welted up.

But I hit him. I hit him more than once i hit him good so i was like what was this formal was it what is a formal combat with like people watching or you were just like hey can i can i try this no it was it was it's kind of cool man because there's like a circle of people around you you're at the beach you're like there are these palm trees and then these you know people surrounding two combatants just hit each other with a spear. And so you have your camera gear there? You have your camera gear there?

And like you put your camera gear down and you're like, hey, can I try? Yeah. You're fucking nuts. That's exactly what I did, dude. And it was freaking amazing. And then I was like near tears. I'm like, it was freaking amazing and then i was like near tears i'm like it was so primal it was the thing that i'd been doing ever since i was a kid like i

have been picking up sticks and trying to hit my friends with it while my other friends watched and and i'm like i didn't feel any pain during the match it hurt a whole lot after yeah like this stuff yeah this shit's crazy i watched some of these clips like 20 times each yeah man and it's just look at that it's so it's not realistic right like it i should say it isn't a probable reality that you're gonna have a stick when you're attacked but the skills that you develop as far as timing and distance management and just strategy and staying cool uh under pressure is amazing so yeah i jumped in got my ass kicked and i was like i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna find a freaking way to get good fast because i'm like i'm already old some people have been doing this for like 15 20 years and i

want to smash those guys so i came came up with a process, man. Your own process? Yeah. You developed your own kind of curriculum. You're like, hey, I know from all the different ways you saw people train your whole life, you're like, okay, I'm going to put these. Yep. I took it from the firearms world.

I took it from tennis, from basketball. Oh, yeah. I saw your tennis in your triangle uh demo yeah for football it's and i'm just like oh okay and then people would like show me all of these like you gotta do this and do this and do that and do that like i gotta do it in that order like those were like four things you're you're trying to make me like memorize a 40 count sequence of just four things. How about I just work on those four things in isolation, get good at those four things and then have some footwork to back it up. And then then I can jump into tactics right away.

That's what people who study bladed arts or, you know, blunt weapons fighting whether it's you know irish stick fighting this is a rich culture by the way there's like a ton of um edged weapons cultures from the caribbean to obviously europe southeast asia everywhere people learn how to fight with sharp things and blunt things. And I found all these commonalities. And then I just kept sparring. I kept fighting, like put on a mask, put on gloves, and just kept trying to hit somebody. And because I'm a content creator, this is kind of like my big secret, right?

I have footage of my performances, so I know where I sucked. I know how I got hit. Now we just reverse engineer crap from there. I'm like, I'm not going to get hit by that strike in that way anymore. And this is how I'm going to craft the drills to make me better at that. And because I didn't subscribe to all the dogma and the tradition and okay, grandmaster,

you're correct. I can't possibly be right about this question that i have i didn't have any of that holding me down so it was all like reviewing my footage of me sucking at stick fighting and like these full contact you know quote knife fights with like aluminum trainers i would reverse engineer and i didn't have this idea that i couldn't create my own drills i just created my own drills and i just did them then i would fight again and that's how i got good fast when when you go up against i'm guessing that there's a traditional teaching of this and when other when they see you do they you, you know, there's UFC fighters that are just crazy, uh, unorthodox.

Like you can't figure it like, like, uh, Dominic Cruz. Yeah. He's like a praying mantis the way he like, you know, like praying mantis. He was like pretending to be a leaf or a stick. He's like doing some shit out there like that. And you can't figure out what's going on when people see you with your self developed, uh, you know, to get better do they see that in you like they do trained i'd be look at you and be like what the fuck is going on yeah um i'm gonna say humility aside because i'm quite proud of of the journey that i've that i've yeah you should be dude it's

crazy your content's crazy um thank you man um yeah, my footwork has been compared to Dominic Cruz. Obviously not Dominic Cruz. Like I'm not a level athlete, but in the same spirit, right? I'm trying to do what he's trying to do. Earning these angles and masking my true range. Earning angles and masks. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Masking your true range, especially in edge weapons fighting you

can't do it when your tools are just your hands you can right body angling and deceptive footwork lunging but with weapons you can really hide your true range um there's more to unfold i guess is the way i'm thinking of it you have it yeah there's more to there's more to like yeah like if i if i if i'm fighting like this for a while and then now i'm in this orientation my my weapons yeah like this if you look at my my lead foot tap ones so i'm conditioning my guy to think and then boom it doesn't land it lunges straight to his face kind of thing. Stuff like that. So I'm like, hey, I'm going to do these silly drills where I'm hopping on one foot and then lunging. That kind of crap. But, yeah, people see this mishmash because, again, my base is this art called Piketty Tertia, which is one of the most like just pure drama and politics and mysticism

and all this crap, but it's footwork is awesome. And it's a very aggressive style of Filipino martial arts. There's hundreds. So yeah, I draw on all of these experiences from different, you know, masters and subject matter experts and students. And I just take what fits the chassis that I've built. And so when I'm fighting somebody from one system, I'll just present a style that they're unfamiliar with. And at least for that engagement, I can dominate because it's unfamiliar to them. Whereas I kind of know after a few seconds what what he's up to

um i have a friend who's big into shooting like really big into shooting teaches his own shooting classes uh hold shooting competitions um and he says he goes to these competitions and he's mexican dude and it's it's him and 500 filipino dudes yeah shooting is a is big in the filipino community man why is that what is is there a reason for that what the what the culture is there that that they've taken up uh i mean i think the best shooter in the united states filipino guy yeah there's a lot of yeah um jj ricasa i think maybe yeah yeah yeah yeah i think i've heard that my friend referred to him as JJ. Yeah. Yeah. I think culturally in the Philippines, it's.

Sorry, sorry. Yeah, his name's Dave. Stop. Dave Castro. Dave Castro. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I can cite a few reasons.

I know in the Philippines, it's become kind of an elitist sport because it's like a dollar a bullet. And if you can afford to do that, it's kind of a status symbol for sure fuck is a status symbol here yeah all right um but also it's guns man you know filipinos are kind of they're here's another thing that i learned and traveling a lot into the American South is like rednecks and Filipinos have a lot in common, bro. We love the same things, man. And so shooting is one of them. It's a force multiplier. So even for a short individual, they can compete.

It's accessibly competitive, just like stick fighting. A lot of people think it's like, I can never do that. It's like, no, dude, you don't even need cardio for stick fighting if you've got good tactics. When you were a kid, were guns big in the Philippines? Or is it something new, this embracing of the Filipinos? Owning a gun was a big thing. I shot somebody in the face with a real gun before when I was a kid. Wow.

Yeah. Shot him in the face. My dad was running for office and then I found a gun under his seat and then I just shot it at some trees and I shot a guy in the face. Did he live? Yeah, he lived. My dad had to pay a lot of money though, but yeah, he lived. Holy shit.

Holy shit. I just throw that out there by the way i shot somebody in the face god that must have been traumatic for you as a kid was he an aggressor it was just a complete accident no i just shot at some trees bro i didn't even know i hit somebody in the face that so i'm completely detached from any trauma from that other than that's like a story. My family tells me I shot somebody in the face. Wow. Yeah. How far away was he? Like in the forest?

I know. Yeah. I don't. Okay. Remember I was talking about the rural area. I was there. I was in, in,

in my, my grand, my grandparents province where my dad was, you know, trying to run for like a local political office there and he had the flyers and yeah i don't know i don't know kenneth is asking if it's a ricochet guys i don't know i'm asking me about the dude i shot in the face it's not one kill one bullet one kill it's not as cool as i would hope it to be. Jim D, he's like Dick Cheney.

Yeah. It's awesome. It was a cool upbringing, man. How did you get red-pilled? How did you finally – what happened that you made – obviously, we opened up talking about the importance of logic and questioning. Yes, sir. But how did you realize that, oh, shit, my whole thinking process has been wrong?

It was a gradual process of spending. Oh, sorry. One quick question. Did his dad win the election? Great question. Sorry, Chris. That's a great question. No, he did not win the election.

Hey, did that fuck up his election? Like, oh, we're not voting for this dude. I don't know, man. I don't know. Hey, did that fuck up his election? Like, oh, we're not voting for this dude. I don't know, man. I don't know. Maybe his campaign just sucked. Again, it's not as cool a story as I'd like to. Maybe one day lie about it.

Sorry, when did I get that, Phil? Yeah, yeah. You said it was a slow process. Yeah, it was a series of drinking with uh i guess soldiers of different varieties of doing stuff right and and some politicians and mostly mostly dudes with guns that do stuff for government. It was just a slow revelation of crap that I would have never known, that I don't have access to. How intelligence is gathered but beyond that where do we choose to begin gathering intelligence to like who are those people who make those decisions what would you know what i mean um and so even these like three-letter agencies have unwashed laundry that you just never – it's crazy, right? So I was in the Philippines.

I was in Poland. You know, I just – these guys are everywhere where we have a few drinks and we make sure that there's no cameras rolling. And then I just get to kind of get glimpses of the shenanigans happening in the world. And I never – I was never like, I'm going to dig into it now. I'm going to find out where this US money is going to in the ukraine it was just like no that's fuck no we're not gonna know like we're not gonna fucking know and so that just happened constantly and i was just like okay well fuck it um it's too much to care about when you start seeing that like um i guess you obviously in that space, there are some big themes, personal accountability, personal responsibility, right?

Like if someone calls me fat, did they really hurt me? Or is that my personal responsibility to, it's me. Holy shit, I can choose whether that hurts my feelings or not. If I'm a master of my own mind and you start really taking it, does it open up any other weird doors for you? Like, you know, every 20th guy who wakes up is like, I wonder if the earth is flat. I wonder if they really went to the moon. Because once you start down this, it's not once you open your mind. Yeah.

I think most people don't get red pilled or open their mind. There's a great line in The Matrix that talks about they're just not prepared. They're so fucking scared. Yeah. I think most of the people don't get red pilled or open their mind. There's a great line in the matrix that talks about it. They're just not prepared. They're so fucking scared. Yeah. Because it can quickly run wild in your brain and all your shit can unravel when really you're just trying to get a job and put food on your table and feed your daughter. Yeah. Well, a lot of people feel like they have to do something about it.

I don't. I don't care about anything at all. At all. And this is the thing. We're made to care about this and that. We're kind of groomed to be upset about a gorilla who got killed or a lion. Like in a zoo we've never been to. We don't even know if the zoo exists.

Yeah. Exactly. There's so many things that we are fed and are expected to care about for a beef. There's so much outrage right now. And it's like, just wait a week. You're not going to be outraged about that thing anymore. And so when I say I don't care about anything, it's actually because I do psychedelics. And this is kind of like where the weird hippie stuff comes in.

I do psychedelics and this is kind of like where the weird hippie stuff comes in. I, you know, I, I, I do believe in some things like the collective, the oneness of it all. Like,

and so it's impossible for me to be outraged about, you know, a celebrity who died and then compare that to, you know, 10 Kenyan kindergarten students who got shot, to an accident that happened here, to this mine exploding, to child workers in China. There's so many things that could cause us to just feel pain. But circumventing that, it's like these are shared experiences you

know um we're all one and so i just i just choose not to i'm not compelled to display to the world how much i care about the thing that we're supposed to care about. And so that comes across the wrong way. People just think I don't care. It's not that. It's just that I'm not going to play this game where I'm outraged that Andrew Tate said this and that Kanye said that. I'm just like, I don't find it all interesting. It's just a fucking show. And so that goes across the board. I don't know what happens in Cobbalt mines and the space program.

So you still process it all. It seems like you're up to date on everything. But I guess as Lao Tzu would say, you stay in the center of the circle. Yeah. And you observe it and watch it. Maybe that's it. Yeah. Perhaps that's one you, and you, and you, and you, and you observe it and watch it. Maybe that's a, yeah. Perhaps that's one way to look at it. I, I, I, again, this profound idea that we are all one. Yeah. Right.

Like my left toe isn't going to care that my right toe hurts. Right. It's not going to be outraged and post something about you know injustices to right toes this is how i see things man you know and yeah no i i think you're closer to the truth than most um that that i always think about this that caring comes from the fact that you're born and your parents name you paul and then you spend the rest of your life trying to keep this semblance of this character together yeah and and it's and it's just all the whole thing is just a fucking facade of trying to keep this avatar together as you move

around on the planet but eventually it's just turned into dust anyway yeah we can enjoy it you know i think people the psychology of of ownership i don't know if you read you seem like a guy who reads i don't really read a lot but uh it's a book audiobooks i do audiobooks i should start getting into that oh you'll love it you gotta listen to at least a little bit you gotta promise me listen a little bit longest kill the guy speaks in a british accent it's so enjoyable it's so enjoyable yeah uh to quote bart simpson i can't promise to try but i'll try to try okay did you really say that yeah i did it's so good um uh what was i gonna say you're gonna talk about a book oh yeah it's a book called predictably

irrational it's it's probably one of the books that changed me a lot. And I actually read it, Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely. And it's just getting a glimpse into understanding our motivations and why we feel the way we feel. And there's this whole thing about the psychology of ownership. Yeah, the hidden forces that shape our decisions great friggin book man i'm on it i'm on it yeah but yeah this whole psychology of ownership that we tend to overvalue things that we invest time in and that we love so if you do jujitsu you're going to be like jujitsu is a shit it's everything right um and and

tying into identity politics where uh again let's let's keep it base right but like if i'm a filipino martial artist and somebody questions a technique that i show it's actually it feels like an attack on my character because i of associated the thing I do with who I am. Right. If somebody says, Hey man, your podcast sucks. And all you had in your life was your podcast. Or if somebody goes, Hey man, your audio could use a, a bit of work, even something as simple as that. Or it was like, Hey, I don't like your background. It feels like an attack on your character and yourself. And this is a lot of the firearms world you know all a lot of the martial arts world where if you question something you're questioning somebody's

integrity you call me a liar you know you put 30 years into your martial arts and then someone says something about it and you've conflated the idea between who you are in this martial art is and it hurts it hurts a lot yeah it hurts them a lot yeah yeah and and that's just all ego right yeah at the end of the day it's ego yeah it's it's like this misplaced value system you know and it's it's it's hard like it is hard yeah like if you're a cowboy, you're a cowboy. Maybe you also play violin. There are certain – That's why the word racist is so powerful.

No one wants to be called it, and they're even willing to become racist to avoid being called a racist. We can see half this country would rather be racist than be called a racist they're so scared of it they would they the term right because it's because it would hurt it's scary yeah and there's this jewish comedian who talks about like racist jokes harry shafir yeah well one of joe rogan's friends yeah and he's just like you know he's offended he's not offended by racist jokes he's just offended by unoriginal racist jokes so anyway anyway there's so much nuance right but like yeah i think i stand-up comedy i do believe it should be a protected art form there's nothing out of bounds and again that's

another one of those things where you can't say that you know anyway the world's weird dude yeah it is weird it's fun though i i really liked your attitude because that's what i think i'm You can't say that. Anyway, the world's weird, dude. Yeah, it is weird. It's fun, though. I really like your attitude because I think I'm doing that, too. I think sometimes I bring up a lot of crazy stuff on here, and sometimes when I'm alone, I'm like, am I fueling the fire or am I helping people process?

Because I don't want to fuel the fire. I like bringing up the subjects subjects but at the end of the day none of it really matters to me i just want to be outside picking barefoot with my kids in the garden picking persimmons and eating them that's so good it's easier for me because i got the right skin color passport to tell all sorts of wacky stuff and i won't get attacked or canceled right you know what i mean like hey uh plus i grew up in toronto you know in a super multicultural environment have you ever testified in court sorry go ahead um i've never testified um you haven't testified in court as an expert i was thinking the other day i go i bet you this guy's testified in court as an expert no i have probably i'd probably deny the opportunity to do it yeah

even though that's kind of like a like a badge of honor for people who you know who teach edge weapons like i was i was picturing you'd be in a case where it's like hey man this guy hit him with a stick and he's a highly profane professional uh with a stick and then they bring in then he's like no i'm not i've never picked up a stick and then they show you the video and you're like no i just made that made that story up in my head. Okay. Yeah. No, no, no. But people, people who get to do that, like to tell people they've done that. You, you brought up something very interesting on one of the podcasts you were on about the second amendment. Okay. Oh, okay. And I had never heard of it. Um, like this, you basically said that as I'm paraphrasing

that since we're human, we're inherently protectors. That's just part and parcel of who we are. We're just, it's in our DNA, whether we're protecting ourself, our kids, our property, but we're protectors. It's who we are. It's, and it's, it's, um, you know, for lack of a better phrase, God made us as all protectors of some sort. Everyone has a little bit of protector in them. They're trying to protect their own life. And I thought, wow, I wonder if the people who wrote the Second Amendment realized that it goes that deep. So I'm a Canadian, right? and to have an opinion about the second amendment like whenever my like canadian friends talk about american gun laws i just tell them yo

shut the fuck up man like you have no idea you live in you know you live in markham you live in toronto you have no idea right um so shut up about the second amendment. And so I take that advice, right? But, you know, I'm a secret supporter. support, Second Amendment supporters, is that it is a biological imperative to self-preserve. And so roses have thorns because of the kind of predators in their environment. So the tools for protection ought to be relative to the threat level. the tools for protection ought to be relative to the threat level. So whether that's camouflage, thorns, guns, knives, dogs, yeah, fangs, claws, right? You can't strip human beings from this.

We can say God-given right, but it's a natural law. It's a natural right to have defense mechanisms against threats relative to the environment. And if your environment has guns, stripping citizens of their right to own guns is inhumane. So, and that goes across the board. Do you think, do you think that things played out in the last two years differently in the United States because we had gun rights as opposed to what we saw happen more and I feel like what we saw happen in Canada or in Australia? I don't know.

I don't know. And can I ask you to be more specific yeah yeah um so in idaho they didn't do any covid games okay zero i think that was the only state they didn't do any covid games they they didn't do the mask mandates they didn didn't do shit, right? Wow. In China, they fucking, according to what I saw, they fucking welded door shuts on people's apartment building complexes. Yeah. And so here you have a society that's completely disarmed. I'm giving the two ends of the spectrum where you have no ability to fight back, right? Whereas in Idaho, I don't know what it is.

Maybe Caleb can look it up. But I'm guessing the average person there owns six guns. And then there's these nuances of Canada, Australia, what we saw going on in Europe, where the citizens were just – one of the correlates is that the fact that all the government in those places owns all the guns well i guess not in canada but but but but the government does pay because it's closer to socialism there than it is i think in the united states people are more uh susceptible to saying yes dad yes dad you know and so i always i always i've been wondering that a lot about hey i wonder if that's because we have fucking i don't know what it is eight million guns and uh like i i heard i don't know if this is true but i heard that when the during world war ii when the japanese were thinking about invading

the united states what stopped them was the fact that uh the citizenry here was armed in idaho an estimated 137 000 guns were sold from january to july of 2022 that's just in uh that's just in six months or something uh 78.6 firearm sales for every thousand people that's just in those six months i'm gonna have to guess everyone there there's more guns there than people that's pretty uh It's probably like three guys with a bunker. Right, right. Patting the average. And so that's what I meant. Do you think that there is a – it's basically like a scale.

Do you think that it – or no? No, I think there's some correlation between gun ownership and vaccine resistance, maybe? Sure, for sure there. Right? It doesn't mean it's causation. Can you guys look up what's the vaccination rate

for the United States? What percentage? Because in Canada, it's ridiculous, like 98 or something, 96 or something crazy like that. Well, Paul, do you want to know one shot, two shot, three shot, five shot.

I know. What is fully vaccinated? Oh God. Are we talking about COVID and vaccines? I did see something about Los Angeles where they're really concerned. Cause only 7% of the people have the fifth booster or some shit. Okay. At least 262 million people or 79% of the population.

Oh shit. See that. population. Oh, shit. See that? Okay. Right? Right, dude? So I don't know if it has anything to do with. Oh, my God. I wonder if those people are scared now.

No, it was scary. I mean, I think it was scary even for the most logical, well-informed person. They have to admit to some not you know fearful but concerned because there's just so much evidence coming out now yeah that uh you probably made the wrong choice yeah and i would be i would be scared if i like if i get if i let my kids get the vaccine i'd be scared right now for them especially if they were in sports yeah yeah now my kids aren't but i am well it's useless now how did you make it so your kids weren't i just didn't i mean that's gotta be there's a lot of there's a lot of pressure bro and yeah my kids can't go to school yeah um it was uh it was rough man yeah yeah uh family parents school boards yeah you and your wife weren't we're on the same page uh yeah i was i was sort of the lead uh the lead Google researcher at the time.

I did my research. No, but as much information as we can access, I think the term research is kind of – Allison, he's in Toronto. So you and your wife were on the same page because that could fuck a marriage up. Yeah. They don't have states in Canada. uh provinces i'm in ontario i know i'm just fucking with her she's probably like 10 people jump in the chat and they can be like you know 10 or 20 you know like an hour behind or 30 so she may be even here yeah no i don't ask every everyone's welcome on everyone's welcome on the show. Vaccinated, unvaccinated.

Heathens, Satan's welcome on the show. God's, everyone's welcome on the show. I want to hear everyone's perspective. I was one of those dudes. I got vaccinated. I got my two shots because otherwise I couldn't travel to the United States. I couldn't make videos. So it was one of those.

I kind of felt defeated. I kind of felt like, oh, all oh all right well tis the game did you did you think about maybe asking the doctor if he would shoot it on the floor no i know some people who did though it was yeah yeah i yeah and i was the first in my family to do it yeah that shit so many people i mean i'm i'm in the hive and i i can only imagine what the vaccination rate is in my town and uh i guarantee you that um well i know a bunch of people where it ripped their families apart yeah my mom canceled christmas parties this year and all the little kids and cousins were all very disappointed because oh this year this year yeah because somebody was exposed to it was a close contact to a known co my mom's very fearful she's very scared bro

she's she's all cnn like that'll do it she just bought it and she's very very scared it's unfortunate and it's it's almost to the point where i have family like that yeah i'm you can't have a discussion logic won't win here and so you might as well keep the peace with moms you know yes i agree i totally agree yeah keep the peace with your family if you can't yeah yeah it ripped a lot of people apart for sure um cory leonard i have plenty in my cabinet home enough to vaccinate everyone in this chat very generous of you cory maybe talking about bourbon oh okay um bye guys on a on a on just completely leaving the world of things like that when um i guess i guess there's i i guess the protocol um um

if there's dangers to all is de-escalation always the first if there's a checklist of things when there's problems um always like run or de-escalate uh vacate and de-escalate? Yeah. You're at the roller rink and a fight breaks out. I mean, I know it's a big... Sure. Yeah, avoidance, not being there, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, de-escalation, for sure. And then

yet there's jobs where you can't do that, right? I mean, if me and you are in the roller rink and a fight breaks out and we have our family by the door, we can just walk outside and get in our car and drive away. But if you're a cop, then there's professions where you have to escalate. You have to escalate, right? Yeah, this is really interesting.

First, there's a law enforcement dude who got this into my head. His name is Chad Lyman. He runs police jujitsu. You, you ought to get them on your podcast. Tell me what's his name. Chad Lyman. I have no idea how any cop doesn't take jujitsu.

I have no idea. How could you be a cop and not be a fucking grave or whatever? Try to get, try to at least get your, what is it for adults? Blue belt. At least get your blue belt. Just honestly, three months in a solid jiu-jitsu academy,

you can probably handle yourself against 90% of the population. So much of jiu-jitsu is like understanding that sometimes our natural intuition gets us into trouble. You know, but I lost my train of thought. Oh, this guy, Chad. Chad, Chad, Chad, Chad Lyman. Yeah. And about de-escalation. A lot of people confuse de-escalation as only being a verbal thing.

Force is a form of de-escalation. And he often says that inefficient use of force looks like excessive use of force. use of force looks like excessive use of force. So when a cop doesn't know how to use a baton properly, he's inefficient with it. It can look like excessive use of force. If he doesn't know

how to, you know, detain a resistive subject, he's going to want to punch the shit out of that dude or shoot him. So inefficient use of force looks like excessive use of force and jujitsu for cops ought to be mandated in in my opinion and he runs yeah the thing man like i've i've run or i've organized so many different seminars or

co-organized and we're like hey if you're a law enforcement dude in the area right you're a veteran you can come for free no cops show up and if any cops show up it's the guy that doesn't need that training because he trains all the time anyway right cops don't show up and and the cops who do show up, sometimes they're vilified as somebody who's learning how to kill better. It's like we're kind of villainizing somebody who's spending their own money to upscale their training so that they can better do their jobs. And so it should be mandated, or at least there should be, I don't know. I don't want to provide sort of like these surface level solutions without a plan. But if cops who trained in jujitsu or went to the gym to work on their grip strength, they should be compensated for that by the department.

You proposed it like this, which was amazing to me. I had never thought of it like this, but, and I'm paraphrasing, but basically you have a cop out there and if he's got this tool belt on and it has a gun and a taser on it, those are the only tools he has. And so if he gets in danger, those are going to, in the checklist of tools he has to address the danger, he's going to go for one of those. But if you teach them jiu-jitsu or footwork,

all of a sudden they have another tool that's less deadly that they can use with the danger. And then everyone is safer. The public doesn't have to worry about a gun being out. And I was like, holy shit, I never even thought of it like that. You want to give them tools that allow them to mitigate their use of deadly force. Yeah. Yeah.

Use of force is not like black and white. But if they're under trained, it's going to be. What's that saying? If all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's up, man. And, again, a lot of police departments are reactionary.

It would take a tragedy, a cop getting killed or a civilian getting killed, to go, we need to put some changes in. And it's like, like man we couldn't have been proactive about this that's how it works right like budget allocation is uh it's great it's crazy man but yeah every cop should be mandated to have at least you know some training in jujitsu or, or I don't know. Um, they're touching hands all the time. So they,

they should know how to navigate that. When, when, when you do, uh, mushrooms or any psychedelics, do you ever get, um,

concerned that in that window of 24 or 48 hours that your kids might need you? And then you wouldn't be able to like be prepared to help them like it's something as simple as they break their arm and you have to drive them to the hospital or something yeah no i'm i'm i don't do it recreationally i make time for it and okay and i prepare for it so yeah so that's something you have to but to set your mind free from that that has to be set with your wife or something yeah yeah so that's something you have to but to set your mind free from that that has to be set with your wife or something yeah yeah that that issue has to be contained you have to be 100 certainly they're safe yeah and i don't do it all the time like i've had maybe if i can count three heroic journeys where i'm unfit to defend myself if i had to. So yeah, no, it's not something I do recreationally.

But I do train drunk a lot. You do? Yeah. Just because that could be because you drink too much or because that could be the scenario? I should say a lot, but I think— But it's one of the things you test. Hey, here's one shot of whiskey. This is what it's like. Here's two yeah yeah because i do enjoy drinking and social environments

so yeah i've i think it's important like if you drink you should know where your um capabilities degrade and if you film it then it's irrefutable proof that bro you sucked like can't have that many you know i thought i did well what what's your um what what's what projects are you working on what's your future look like if you're are you done taking your break in the tactical space are you going back to it are you, what are your plans for the next year? Do you have a plan? Yeah, I've sort of transitioned from, you know, the whole YouTube stuff to creating online tutorial content.

So it falls in line with content creation. It falls in line with me finding subject matter experts that I like and want to work with. And I want to present the material in a way that's authentic to who they are um even though it's super saturated like everybody's got a friggin you know tutorial how to get out of a headlock yeah but i i i like to think that i infuse a bit of my um my storytelling and, even in the most mundane kind of basic stuff. It was one of the things I did early that I think allowed me to stand out. When a holster company wanted me to make a video promotion for their holster, it was about how the instructor used it and what it meant to them,

even though the tutorial may just be a simple draw stroke and presentation. to them even though the tutorial may just be a simple draw stroke and presentation there's always like a layer of who the presenter is in connection to what they're actually presenting beyond just you know kind of a product placement but that's what i'm doing dude i'm making online tutorial courses for super dope instructors and typically people who don't feel comfortable doing social media people who like fuck that i don't want to do that oh for their site not for your site no no for for other people wow that's what i've been doing i'm kind of like a monument builder in that in that regard that's brave to do that especially since you have that amazing youtube channel with so many subscribers and you could probably just kick your boots up and just keep

pumping that thing spending time with your kids. You're pushing forward. I get bored, man. I need to be challenged, dude. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, thank you so much for coming on, man. Great. Paul, great to meet you. Uh, I will, I'm for sure going to reach out to, uh, Chad and, uh, from police BJJ and I'm and i'm gonna and i'm gonna check out that book uh predictability uh and uh yeah what's the guy's name arlie dan arlie yeah irrationally you're gonna love it man it's gonna it's gonna explain a whole lot of things uh thank you almost two hours of your time you demand i i haven't interviewed anyone like you uh and who's you know such a renaissance man in this world and uh i really appreciate your insights and everything you shared it's great

adds great value to the show thank you so much like i knew nothing about you guys i kind of just jumped in but it was uh it was a pleasure no you humans exist man i'm gonna do a little bit of digging and see what podcasts i've gotten myself into but it was a pleasure it was awesome talking and thank you like all look at all these comments sorry i wasn't able to like really address them but thanks to your community man it seems like you've got you you're kind of building something uh it's a great crew we come on every morning 7 a.m it's like we bring yeah we bring on uh we go live every morning you know we've had we've had everyone on from like we had patrick bet david on we had uh kayla harrison

on you know volkanovsky's been on the show so i dabble over there lots of crossfit athletes people who've cured themselves of cancer i just basically go anywhere but i saw you on instagram and i saw that thing with your daughter yeah and i spend all my time that I'm not podcasting. I spend every second with my kids. And so I saw that and I'm like, man, I got to meet this dude. That is so cool, man. Right on. Yeah.

I like what you're doing, man. What a blessed existence to get to be able to do that. It is. It is. Yeah. Thank you. If you're ever in the Santa Cruz area, you have my number. I'd love to uh

hang out and i don't know about the fighting part but i like to do the getting drunk part let's do knife play yeah the whole oh that would be great that would be a great video these guys would love to see me do some knife play okay yeah yeah if you're in california please hit me up all right brother thank you seven yes cheers all right peace guys thank you All right, brother. Thank you. Seven. Cheers. All right. Peace guys. Thank you very much. Later, bro. Got that, that, uh, Calderon vibe, right? Definitely. Seen so much, met so many people. Yeah. Drunk knife fight.

I want to go to Santa Cruz to just to see if someone would answer when I hit him up. I'm 50-50 when people come to town. Leave you on read. Yeah. It's not that I... It's not that I... It's usually just a timing thing. I like meeting people. This guy has a crazy Instagram account.

It's really good. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. He's like an original YouTuber yeah like as og as they get he probably hates that term like i hate it probably it's probably why he's not doing it anymore it took me probably two hours yesterday to get through his, uh,

Instagram and I was moving fast. He's got so much in there. Like usually I can get to the bottom of somebody's Instagram by the end of the show. And I could not, he, he, he kind of reminds me in the,

in the, yeah, it took me a long time. He kind of reminds me in the, yeah, it took me a long time. He kind of reminds me of, this isn't going to come out right. This isn't going to come out right. But basically there's people in our space, like the Buttery Bros or Craig Ritchie, who they not only follow the scene, right? But they're like, you see them participate in it. Yeah.

And that's what this guy's done. He's like really, really – Immersed himself in it. Yeah, immersed himself in what they call – there's a term that they kept using, the protector class or the protector group. I bet you his wife's cool as shit. Got to be right dude you know how hard it would be if you lived in canada to not get your kids the vaccine that would be fucking hard he's like the anti-canadian canadian right just crazy i um i wanted to tell him this story last so a bunch of the kids in in my kids jiu-jitsu class have gotten their gray belts gray and white belts there's three gray belts it goes for for kids it

goes white and then uh gray and white and then gray and then gray and black and my kids had their white belt and when they finished and got all not obvi but the other two my two youngest ones the six-year-olds when they got uh the four stripes on their white belt, they were supposed to go to gray and white, and they didn't. Instead, they made a new belt for them that no one else in the class had, and it was a white belt with a black stripe. The instructor just didn't think that they were ready for their gray and white. So now they're six, and they can beat all the gray and white belts in the class but they still have their white belts and and uh the instructors have explained to me what's going on and it's totally fine um and every everyone knows the instructors are so complimentary to

them they always say hey why are the youngest kids have the best technique why are the youngest like they they lay it on the big kids they're like why how are these two the most focused the beating you guys like hey come on guys everyone needs to step up their game what do you guys up to that yeah it's pretty cool but it's cool they do it in a loving way it's cool and my kids know that they can't they've come home the last three days from jiu-jitsu and they're like we don't understand so i pulled up this video of nikki rod at adcc not this last one but the one before where he goes up against orlando uh sanchez and i go this is nikki rod he's a blue belt and this is orlando sanchez and he's a black belt

so last night before they went to bed they watched that uh that match they're like that guy's only a blue belt and he beat a black belt i'm like yeah so it was cool it put it in perspective yeah like like like hey just chill it's it's all the belt doesn't really mean anything it's what you do in the classes or in your in your competitions it's all gonna happen and the instructors told me they're like hey dude what we really want to do is the next tournament they instructors told me they're like hey dude what we really want to do is the next tournament they go to when they're on the podium we want to give them their gray belt and i i like that because that will then encourage them to do more tournaments they'll see like a connection between them and they'll see it as a good thing uh jet throw hi

savvy hi caleb what can it be caleb b2 Seve and Caleb II uh wow sorry I'm super late just finished coaching and cleaning the gym good on you uh yeah how do they send their kids to school without it great question great question okay um tomorrow oh I scheduled a live call-in show for tomorrow morning Caleb so. What's tomorrow, Friday? Yes. No, tomorrow's Saturday. Already. I sent...

Say that again? New Year's Eve. Oh, yeah, no shit. Maybe I'll do a show tomorrow night, too. New Year's Eve show tomorrow night. Two shows tomorrow. Thank you, too. New Year's Eve show tomorrow night. Two shows tomorrow. Thank you, Jessica. I sent out

invites to 25 athletes. Matt, Susan, I sent out invites to 25 athletes. If the athletes have never been on, because we're prepping for Wadapalooza, if the athletes have never been on the show before, we'll probably

match them up with, or they'll get their sorry take two if the athletes have never been on the show before they'll get their own hour and a half with caleb and i so we might we're gonna have a nola kai on and hopefully and he'll get his own hour and a half the other athletes we're gonna you know try to split the shows up um although it does look like rich responded and said he's gonna try to come on before Wadapalooza. And he deserves his own hour and a half always, right? Always. Yeah.

I also want to say thank you to Lauren Connor. She was a guest on the show and she keeps sending me, um, thumbnails and she really wants to participate in the show. And I cannot tell you how much that helps. I cannot tell you how much that helps. We could use all the help we can get. And so, um, Lauren, thank you. If anyone does send me that stuff and it takes me a while to return, I, I, I return, I try, if you send me something, I will respond. Unless like one in a hundred, I won't respond. Even at least I'll double heart it to let you know I read it. And so, but please be like,

don't send me just 20 links to instagram shit like 30 minute videos yeah i can't i can't um are you are you send me screenshots of something really small that's in the lancet and it's like five pages long and you know it's like four like then i need a synopsis it's got to be a short one can't be be right. But we do need help with our Instagram. Our Instagram has gone silent, and we do need help with thumbnails. We just need help. That's it. We just need help.

Anyone who wants to participate, you could come get some. Okay, yeah. Thank you, Kenneth. Hey, I appreciate you too, brother. Okay, we'll see you guys tomorrow and maybe we on new year's eve as caleb is claiming it is and then hopefully tomorrow night maybe we'll do two shows that was fun doing that on uh christmas eve and christmas doing double shows let me help please allison please please please okay guys i oh allison i don't i sent you a text last night um we're going

roller skating at uh one o'clock at a seabright roller rink um want to go to kids and eat first or eat after anything let me know we got we got nothing going on and it's raining all right guys i will will see you guys tomorrow. Caleb, you da man. Buh-bye.