The Sevan Podcast - #732 - Kerstetter & Panchik | GAME ON

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

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bam we're live good morning guys and it begins the stretch to wadapalooza audrey the shiz kev jessica kyle vindicate hey you guys probably saw last night monday night football guy falls down on the field twitter lights up instagram lights up everyone's showing the videos here it is right here uh the guy's name i think is damar hamlin and uh it's i think i think it's it's is it the bingo player no buffalo bills player it's one of the guys in the white, white, white outfit, white Jersey, the guy on the,

this guy right here. Yeah. And, uh, he stands up. Sorry for the stutter. And then he goes straight to his back. Here's the thing. A lot of people are referring to this as a, uh, that there was

a collision on his chest and the timing was perfect. And it was something that, that, you know, that's pretty common where you, you, you hit the rib cage. It impacts the heart right at the right minute and it stops the heart.'s a name for it do you know the name for it caleb i think you're the one maybe who shared it with me commotion cordis commotion cordis commotion cordis commotion cordis the problem is this uh you know just for an example we've never seen um anyone go down at the crossfit games from clotting. And, you know, this year we have two, and then we've never seen this in the NFL. And when I say never, I'm just saying what the commentators were saying last night. They, two guys kept saying, we've never seen this. And one

guy's like, well, we saw it, but it was a long time ago. And when you're not, when you're not transparent about what we've gone through in the past two years uh it's totally um our call at that point to start uh you know saying whatever we want so for the people who are freaking out name calling those of us who uh suspect that this may have been uh injection related like hey man they put us in this spot by lying to us so often that it's our go-to the the the nfl guys hey brian good morning good morning the commentators were tripping when they would go to the desk the people were tripping tripping olivia good morning. Morning. What time is it there? Nine. Oh, is that early for you?

Yeah. Oh. During winter break, that's early. Well, thanks for doing this. Yeah, you're welcome. Are you in your senior year? No, I'm still a junior. I'm just a junior.

Oh, my goodness. I know. Can I get you on an accelerated track or something? Maybe you finish a semester early next year? I wish. I think some of the, I know that some of the other athletes have sometimes been able to manage that. But it's usually just, you know, you guys are obviously very hardworking. So when you want to, you know, set your mind on something can often be achieved. hard working. So when you want to, you know, set your mind on something can often be achieved. Yeah. I only have like, I think like two and a half or three credits left. So at least maybe trying, I'm just might try and convince them to have me do like half days or something next year. But you would do that if you could, if there was some way you could get out early, you would do that. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Wow. Would any part of you miss high school? I mean, I would still be going for half a day, and so I'd still be kind of having the experience, but no, not really. You get to see – do you have a lot of friends at school? Yeah. Is that the primary reason you like to go? Yeah, basically.

Yeah, me too. I went just for the friends. I loved going there to see my friends. That shit was cool. So not only are you just a junior, but you're not even done with your junior year. You're barely halfway through. Yeah. We're about to start second semester, so halfway through. Oh, man.

And then when school's in session, what time do you get up? Like 6, 545. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And that starts tomorrow? Thursday. Oh my goodness. They should have just rolled it over to Monday.

I know. I don't know why. We just have two days this week, I guess. The school schedules are extremely variable right now. There's a lot of college freshmen and sophomores that have, you know, trained at our gym through the later part of their high school careers, but they're always coming back at random times. Some of them will stay for a week. Some of them are here for like five weeks. They had like a whole month plus off of college. I never know

what's going on. Oh yeah. College. Like both my sisters, like they have like over a month off. I'm like, that's crazy. How old are your sisters? Um, one of them is 20 and one of them is 23. A 20 year old, uh, I have to believe was a big inspiration for you in pursuing CrossFit. Yeah. Ellie, she did CrossFit, but now she just does it for fun in college good me too i don't do it in call i do it in my garage for fun uh you made your rogue debut yep yeah that that is uh truly uh remarkable How did you... Can you tell me about the discussion

you had with yourself, with your council? How did you decide to do this? Well, I just wanted to... I knew that my goal going into this year was to make it in the elite division, so I wanted to get some experience so that the first time I like did a

competition I wasn't just like shocked and so um we didn't know if Rogue would be able to happen but whenever they did the qualifier I was like well might as well do it and so then we did that and then I'm also doing Waterpalooza coming up in the elite division. So I'll have a pretty good idea of what it's like to be elite so that I'm not shocked going into semis. And when you say the elite division, you mean at the CrossFit Games? Yes. But really, it's the semifinals. That will be either way. In order to get to the CrossFit Games, you have to go through the semifinals.

And those events are big events basically is what you guys are telling me. You're telling me that like, Hey, the semifinals is like showing up to rogue or is like showing up to Wadapalooza in terms of the number of events, the crowd, the pressure, the athletes who will be at your right and left, those types of things. Yeah, basically. Yeah, those are very similar. The weird thing is, in one case,

it feels like it's the most that's on the line at the semifinals because if you don't perform there, you don't get to the games. But on the other side, and I don't know that this is something that weighs too heavily on Olivia right now, but in the offseason, there's a little bit more at stake financially than at the semifinals. so the pressure can be felt differently do you have financial pressure olivia yeah dad i need money um oh how how how was rogue in terms of these on i'm going to call them unknown elements that maybe you

that you that were different from i mean it's not like you didn't compete at the highest level you completed competed at the highest level where you were capable to compete and that's the team division at the games and you did really well um what about uh and by well i mean when any surprises at rogue were there any like um starstruck crowd was too big uh too too many fans uh not being able to overcome poor performances were there any shocks in any of those places where you're like oh that was a bigger hurdle than i thought um i thought maybe the biggest hurdle was just like the star struck like just the fact that i was competing with like people that i've always looked up to it was kind of hard for me to like get over that at first and like actually like want to beat them so that might have been the biggest

hurdle which is why i'm glad that i did rogue and like I'm doing Waterpalooza so that I can like get over that so that it's not like that at semis. Yeah. Anyone in particular that you're like, wow, you are real. You're not just like someone on social media. I mean, all of them. But just like I think like a couple of events I was lined up next to Annie and I feel like that was like really real. I was like, OK, this is like my like childhood idol. So, yeah.

Yeah. And I think Annie, she is probably the one that I would have guessed that you would have said. I mean, she's so iconic and she's, you know, just physically also her presence is very radiant. She's, you know, great presence on and off the field. And for pretty much, I mean, I don't think it's just women. I think a lot of people coming up and cross it, you know, 10, 12 years ago, all the way through now have continued to be impressed and inspired by her. Yeah. Olivia, when, um, when you're out there that I heard stories repeatedly from, I think it was Gazan, Alex Gazan. And, uh, maybe it was, I can't remember who the other person was.

It was another young athlete and they were saying how nice some of the older athletes were to them. Like I heard a lot of compliments regarding Danny Spiegel about her putting their arm around them, her talking to them, her making them feel comfortable. Did you get that from any of the ladies out there? Oh, definitely. I think just starting from the very first check-in day when we had a meeting and there was no coaches, I was just kind of lost. I didn't know what to do. But yeah, Danny and Ariel Lowen and like most of them were all very nice.

So that was nice having them like comforting me when they could tell I was like nervous and shy. But yeah. Well, and you were kind of thrown into the deep end, too. I mean, I was there in Rogue in the stands. And I remember for a majority of the events, it was not very difficult to find Jacob. You know, he was standing up with a very jersey on supporting you. But event one, you didn't get to have your coach either. Yeah, he was there most – I could see him or hear him most of the time.

He has a distinct, like, sound I could hear. But, yeah, the first event, I was I was just like right when they announced that we were all like laughing like of course the first event like I'm a 16 year old girl and just like going on a bus don't know where I'm going with no coaches I was like trying not to freak out and just laugh about it and but yeah i mean glad i like once again glad i had that experience at rogue and not like at the games or somewhere where it like actually matters but that was crazy was there any discussion about okay well we have to make an exception here and like olivia's dad or mom has to go on the bus um no they didn't ever say that but i think my mom had to like sign a permission slip for me to go did they have an official permission slip uh yeah it was like a

waiver like online but wow yeah i mean i i would think that's probably common is you have to sign some kind of waiver to compete and if you're under 18. And, you know, Emma Lawson was in a similar situation. Did you bond with her over that at all? We kind of like laughed about it a little bit, but we weren't on the same bus, so we didn't really like talk about it that much. that bus ride like for you? Were you nervous? Were you just hanging out with the other girls or guys or were you just pretty much focused on what you were about to do? I mean, I was nervous. Most people on my bus, like the way there, were not talking at all. So I was kind of just like quiet with headphones in. And then the way back, they were a little more talkative. And like, I would kind of like talk sometimes. But yeah, I was just nervous. And I think we like all knew what we were about to do, like some sort of like running

thing. So I was just kind of like mentally preparing myself for that and just get over with. And maybe there'll be a heavy barbell out there for me yeah maybe in the middle of this run oh did they go away uh at three two one go and you get going did it all go away did all the noise go away and once you got in got sweaty and got the heartbeat up did you feel at home? Yeah. I'm not sure about the first workout, but once we got in the stadium,

the first workout, and it was like three, two, one, that's when, yeah, it definitely went away and I could just do what I always do. What, if any, reasons were there that you wouldn't go to rogue were there any reasons we've talked about the benefits of going to you know just get the get the experience but were there any reasons like hey this isn't a good idea um i mean the only reasons are just like the reasons that like everyone else doesn't go is just because it's like right after the games and if you really want to like

like I don't know it kind of takes away from like if you're doing a cycle or something to like really improve on something for the like new season then it kind of like disrupts that I guess so just like affecting training for uh or getting better for the new season. But I think that it was like big enough thing, like experience for me, like it made me better itself. So it wasn't like, like I was disrupting, like, or not getting better from doing it. I mean, do you, do you, is the goal to win the CrossFit game someday? Like, do you think about that?

Yeah. is the goal to win the crossfit game someday like do you think about that yeah i mean obviously but that's like not 2023 goal right does that dream ever dim do you ever like after the games and then you're gonna sign up for rogue you're like man like do you ever feel uh you know burnout or um what's the word i'm looking for but what's that thing that they say happens to kids if you train them too hard or adults i can't remember but does the dream does the dream ever dim have you ever felt it like another thought creep in um not really i mean like sometimes i've thought like oh this is going to be really hard or, like, especially with, like, school and everything. Like, I don't know if I can do this, but I feel like, especially after the games, I feel like I'm, like, more, like, inspired or motivated than ever. So, I don't know. I don't really get burnt out just because, like, I'm having so much fun doing it. And, like, yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't really get burnt out just because like I having so much fun doing it. And like, yeah, I just I don't know. You had a great showing as a child, and now you're transitioning to the adult game.

What's weird is you're transitioning to the adult games, but you're still a kid. You are still a kid, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're in high school. I just turned 17, so. Do you drive? Do you have a driver's license? Yeah. It's just every time I see you, I just can't even believe it. How are things with Jacob?

Does he look like he's going to make it another year as your coach? Are you keeping him? Or is he your training partner or whatever you call him? They're nice. Yeah, exactly. Where are we? Are we re-signing the contract with Jacob? No, he'll always be there.

But we don't know yet. We're trying to just kind of see how the season, or how Water Palooza goes and everything, to see if I might need a more professional coach to take the next step, basically, in the next level. But he'll always be there, so it's not like we're breaking up or anything. And we could make fun of Jacob for not being professional, but really, I think he has a lot of things going on and he works hard at a lot of different tasks in his life. And for me, it's like, if you're going to pursue that, he wants, I'm sure he wants to make sure that he can be as available as needed to support you. And, and if, and maybe that's not the case,

and I think that's really cool that you guys are able to have that conversation. Yeah, for sure. What, what would that look like? Um, Olivia, I mean, you have, you know, this semester left and then you have a whole nother year of high school. What would that look like? Would you go to a training camp or would you just take programming from someone else or what would happen? You'd move to Fort Vancouver with Ellie and Mr. Medeiros? No, I definitely would not move until I'm out of high school for sure. So I would just probably get programming from someone and do it at the barn because I would still have jacob and um i have a couple other people that i train with and i would still have them training with me so yeah poor jacob's probably

terrified what if like you're gonna sign up with mayhem and he's gonna be stuck doing wall balls for the next and ghds for the next few years is he able to keep up with you anymore? I mean, it's crazy what you're doing. Oh, yeah. He keeps up, especially in his specialty workouts. I don't know the burpees and I don't even know. But he definitely keeps up. He just thinks I beat him. But he's still the man?

Yeah. And he just gets sore after every workout I deal with him so he doesn't like doing them um is there did you feel any pressure as a teen being at the at the top of the mountain and maybe some of that pressure has uh gone away now that you're swimming in a bigger pond I mean you were the big big dog, and now maybe you're a puppy. Do you feel any pressure release? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, there's still pressure on, like, making it to the games,

but, like, right now, since we're still, like, months out from the real pressure, then I'm, like, definitely a lot more calm than I was, like, leading up to the games. I could definitely feel, like, a lot more calm than I was like leading up to the games. I could definitely feel like a lot of the pressure, like I'm like the number one, like see that I'm the number one pick and like all this, like what if I don't even win? And like, so I was definitely stressed leading into the games. But yeah, now that not like at Rogue, I wasn't as stressed because I was like, okay, I know I'm not going to win.

Just go in and have fun and do the best you can and so yeah definitely less stressed right now do you know if you're gonna go um adult at the games have you have you made that decision yet or is it still still both doors are open i mean obviously both doors are open but in your mind or have you have you made a choice um well in my mind i've like made the decision like that i want to like make it in the elite division but now that they have now that like the new rule you can do both semis that also made a lot of stress off my plate so now i can do both so what do you mean explain that to me i'm not following like last year they said you could do the same like you could do individual and teenage quarterfinals open all that but once you get to semifinals you have to like make a choice like if you're going elite or going teenage and so like that's when I had to make the choice that I was

going in the teenage division um but this year you can do both so like I can qualify as a teenager and then I can go do semis and just be like what the? I already have a spot at the games if I don't make it, but, and do both. Wow. So you won't actually have to make it as long as you're willing to put in, do the workouts and keep succeeding at them. You can do, but could you do both at the games? Could she do both at the games, Brian? No, no. But what I, but what I hear her saying there is that that's stressful,

you know, is that she did like, she's in a little bit of unknown. And what I've kind of always wanted, I think, is that at the start of the season, you just decide. When you sign up for the Open, you decide if you're going to compete on a team or as an age group or in an individual. And then that's locked in. It makes it easy for everyone to follow the trajectory of the season. three of the season. Open it back up like this, for me, from my perspective, creates a lot of chaos and challenges in terms of people saying, well, who are the teams to watch at the games? I don't know. There's 50 people on this roster. I'm not sure if that team's actually going to compete or half their people are going to go. I mean, two years ago, the top qualifying team

out of quarterfinals in Europe, the top, the best male and best female one individual. And so we didn't get a chance to see that team at all. It was a Spanish training culture team. I was excited to see him. We had to wait a whole year to see them anyway. So, but to hear an athlete say that it's also stressful is something that, uh, is, you know, stands out to me because CrossFit has been very, uh, open about the fact that they've communicated with athletes a lot in trying to make decisions going forward. They've been seeking out advice and counsel from athlete organizations, agents and managers in the space to try to, you know, do things that are in line with what the athletes would like to see. So I don't know. I don't know if it'll stay that way or not,

but I do imagine that when you're good enough to make it on multiple paths, that it is a really difficult decision. Is that is that accurate, Olivia? Basically, like, hey, it's nice having the options, but it's just added more stress for longer because because you have the option for so long. I don't know. I mean, I feel like the most stressful part is just that, like doing all the qualifiers, like I put on my schedule, like all the qualifiers like I put on my schedule like all the qualifiers and it's like one is like every weekend or like every other weekend so I feel like that's the most stressful part is just you never like get a break or get to really like train because you're just doing all these qualifiers but for me especially this year I thought that it took like a lot of stress off my plate because Cause I didn't have to like, like, I like, since I want to go elite, if I went to semis and then like, I would have so

much stress there. Like if I didn't make it, but this now I can kind of go there and be like, not as stressed because I already have a game spot. Like, I mean, obviously I still want to make it, but like, you you know not as stressful because i'm still making it to the games either way oh my goodness so so let's say before we get to this hold this here okay okay you did the qualifier for rogue online qualifier yeah and did you do the online qualifier for wadapalooza or were you invited to that? I was invited. So I asked you that. That's nice. And if people don't know, there are a lot of different ways that Guadalupe invites athletes to compete in their competition, all individual games, athletes, some teams, some

age group winners, and then there's several other small competitions and historical stuff. So there's a big, a lot of different ways, but that's at least nicely. Didn't have to do that qualifier, but seven, just to put it he didn't have to do that qualifier. But Savant, just to put it in perspective, she did the Rogue qualifier. That was like end of August, beginning of September. Competed in Rogue at the end of October. She's competing in Guadalupe in the middle of January. In the middle of February, she has three weeks of Open.

Two weeks later, she has individual quarterfinals. Two weeks after that, she has age group quarterfinals. A month after that, she probably has the individual semifinals. Then she has the age group semifinals, and then she has the games. Yeah, this is crazy. The one thing I don't know if you mentioned in there, Brian, was this. Oh, that's the team quarterfinal. Okay, okay.

Yeah, the March 31st to April 2nd. So she'll do March 16th and 19th and 31st to 2nd. So Olivia. That gets her through two stages of the season. Then she'll have to do the age group semifinals and the elite semifinals. So she'll have to do five competitions before going to the games. Olivia, what comes first in the semifinals? The age or the elite? Do you know?

Well, I think they're different weekends, aren't they? Do you know which one comes first? Which comes in the order? For the semifinals, I think age group semis are first. Oh, my goodness. I believe. Oh, my goodness. So you'll do those regardless.

Because if it was the other way around, maybe after doing the semifinals, you might be like, okay, I'm good. I'm going elite. But now, wow, that's going to be crazy. Yeah. Has anyone ever done that before, Brian, what she's going to do? Yeah. I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting, but I know that Sam Briggs has done it a couple of times. I think Mal did it the year that she, or maybe it wasn't like the whole like quarter semis thing,

but I know that she had qualified. I think her and Emma Carey both did that year. Yeah. But it's a lot. I mean, it's a lot. That's like she was saying, it's basically every other week she's competing for three months in a row or

something. I want to get back to this. I just want to let this person ask this question. Cole Solomon. Someone asked Olivia how she felt at the final workout at Rogue. The final workout was, what was that? That was the 30 clean and jerk? Yeah.

And what was the weight on that? I think it was 135. Okay. The floor is yours, Ms. Kerstetter. Yeah. And what was the weight on that? I think it was 135. Okay. The floor is yours, Ms. Kerstetter. Yeah, that was definitely like, that was so much fun. Whenever they announced it, I think I was- 165. You don't know the difference between, that's how strong you are.

You don't know the difference between, I would never forget that. I would never forget that. I'd be like bragging for a be like 165 feels like 135 to her oh my goodness that was a long time ago you are nuts yeah but like whenever they announced that i like thought initially that it looked really fun and i was like okay this is like the very last workout. Just go and, like, you like this workout. So just have fun and end it on a good note. And then I definitely did not expect to get second place, especially with, like, Dani Spiegel in my heat. I was like, okay, just keep, like, right behind her,

and then you'll still get a good placing. And then I just kept going, and I, really good and then yeah i don't know it was kind of a blur but it was like definitely sparked some like energy in me and made me motivated so i'm glad that we ended on that one i think it might have won you a few fans as well people were loving that i'm trying to remember were you on what you were on the end closest to the camera and danny was in the middle yeah she was in the outside lane she wouldn't know where the camera was necessary right and and you were pretty close and you were pretty close or were you ever ahead of her

and when you heard that voice in your head say you're out there on the floor and you're like, okay, I'm just going to stay with Danny Spiegel. Is this all new to you? These type of thoughts and this type of strategizing? I mean, yeah, it was new to me, but like also since it was the last workout of the weekend, it was like I was kind of used to like the whole thought process by then. And so you finished that workout, you take second place in it.

And what was, what was your time again, Caleb? 348. So just to put this in perspective, I suspect that the 2007, 2008 and 2009 CrossFit games, that would be a top 10 finish in the men's division maybe top five what do you think 165 yeah in what years to seven eight nine yeah i mean well we had uh i mean that's crazy you know we had squat clean grace wasn't it as the final of 2008 and And I think that.

And that was 155, but you had to squat it. But I think her time is competitive with Kalipas, the champs that year. Yeah. And his time was a lot better than most of the guys. Wow. We've come so far. When was the first time? How old were you when you, you're 17 now?

How old were you? 17 at Rogue also? I was 16 at Rogue. Of course you were. And Annie's probably 32, right? So she's double your age probably. Probably something like that. How old were you the first time you pulled 165 off the ground and it went over your head oh i have no idea okay we'll give you some i'll help you out were you out of diapers

yes i don't know was it before you had a driver's license yeah i think uh i remember doing I think I remember doing 160 for a cleaning jerk in like Jacob's old barn. I was probably like 12 or 13. I'm not sure. But keep in mind, like, you know, like I mentioned about her sister, you know, her sister, when she was 12 or 13, her sister is 15 or so. And she was podium. Yeah, I was training with her the whole time so um it's just normal to you right do you like you don't do you feel strong or do you just is this just normal to you or do you feel strong i mean i feel strong but you do

i'm just used to it now i guess yeah um do you think that there's any um do you think it's more uh how much do you think genetics plays into it i'm not a big fan a lot of people talk about genetics and and prodigies and i'm not a big fan of that i think that i lean on the more like when people say oh oh, your kids are so good at something. I'm like, they're just so talented. I'm like, no, they're not talented. They work really, really hard. Like they, they came out of the womb looking, you know, not being able to walk also. Yeah. I don't know how much genetics plays into it. I mean, my dad is pretty like big and strong. So all dads pretty big and strong.

All dads are big and strong. Pick someone else. Pick someone else. All boys and girls say that. But also my sister, whenever she was competing at the games, her biggest weakness was strength. So we're related and we have like totally different like strengths and weaknesses. So, yeah, I don't know if it was genetics or just. I would even say you guys have different body types.

Like, you know, scientifically, there are different types of bodies. I'm not an expert on them, but she's I would say she's more tall and lanky relative to you. Yeah. And she was like a gymnast. So she was definitely smaller. Yes. Avi thinks his dad is strong. They walk around being like, my dad can pick up 200 pounds. Strong but not big.

Yeah. And I never show him videos of Olivia ever. They're not allowed to watch this. No, absolutely not. I don't want to screw it up. It's like telling Santa Claus doesn't exist. Olivia.

I was listening to uh spencer panchik yesterday i was listening to an old podcast that he was on with um uh kettlebells and cocktails the john woolsey over there and it's actually a great interview. I really enjoyed it with just John and Spencer. And Spencer said that when he went to the CrossFit games, he thought that it was going to be, he was going to be ready for it mentally because he had got to watch Saxon and Scott for so many years. And he's like, I got this, I got this. None of the pressure is going to get to me. And he got there and he's like, man, I was so wrong. The pressure really, really got to me. And there were a lot of obstacles to overcome. And he said that there is no substitute for going to the

CrossFit games. Do you have, does that resonate with you at all with being at Rogue? And he also had that bike incident that he had to mentally overcome, you know, where he came in a lap early. had that bike incident that he had to mentally overcome you know where he came in a lap early yeah so he so he he was delta hey here's a big dose of try to get over this um any moments in rogue any emotional like where you started beating up on yourself or any unique highs or unique lows at rogue um nothing that like comes in mind just that i like obviously didn't like do how I thought I was going to but um I gave myself a lot of grace just because like I wasn't in shape because of like taking time off after the games and then like going back to school so it was really hard for me to like stay in the same shape that I was like at the games and so so that might have been the hardest thing mentally,

was just trying not to look at the leaderboard and be like, I thought I would do a lot better than I did. But yeah, like I said, I gave myself a lot of grace. Matt, Brian, where doesivia rank as the most dominant um young athletes that we've ever seen in the sport is she is is it her and mal o'brien who is it is olivia well there's a nose ahead of her a nose ahead of her there's just a changing landscape in that regard because for a majority of the time that the teenage divisions have existed at the games, no one was really considering or able to make the elite divisions until they'd aged out. And then with Mel O'Brien and Emma Carey, we saw

that happen. Then we saw it happen with Emma Lawson, and now Olivia's trying to continue that trend. Whereas prior to that, you had athletes like Haley Adams and Dallin Pepper who were competing all the way through 17 years old. And, you know, Dallin was three for three at the games, had a ton of event wins. Haley's last year at 17 years old, she won, I think seven of the eight workouts at the games and all of those other women, Mal, Emma Lawson, Emma Carey, and possibly Olivia, will be passing on their 17th year or their last year in the teenage division. So it's hard. It's kind of hard to say from that perspective.

Gotcha. But she's in the contention. When you win the games as the younger person in your division, so Olivia won it at 16 against a 16 and 17 years old, that to me immediately elevates you amongst anyone who won it in the older year, because so many things are changing for people when they're 14 to 15 and 16 to 17. Right. And so Olivia, let me ask you this hard question. There are these great athletes who you see have these holes in the games who have holes speaking of hayley adams right she's this great athlete and if she filled up this hole that everyone always talks about she could be sitting on the podium you know for many years uh you look at uh uh who's another one laura horvat um

when you see that and then you went out to rogue was it the rope climb which there was an event where you took last place right is there an event you did really poorly on the running one was it was it the running one she yeah she had she was the only one she was last place and was a running one but she had the rope climb one you're thinking about the dual two she was 19th and then the one with all the ring muscle up she was also 19th so So obviously you're young. And so you can be like, you have that to lean on. Like, hey, man, I'm so much younger than these guys. I've had so many fewer reps than them.

I've had so much less experience. But when you see this and you start seeing your holes, are you already thinking about addressing them? Like, hey, I have, you know, four years to address this until i'm 20 like oh my goodness i need to start being a triathlete um or does jacob oh you you got muted or something maybe your hands over the microphone can you hear me now yes beautiful oh okay well immediately after rogue i actually made a list like on my phone of like all the things that I took away from Rogue and like wanted to work on. And basically like a couple, like a week later after I'd taken time off, I like showed it to Jacob and was like, okay, we're fixing all these before like semis and before the season starts so yeah I definitely noticed those holes and wanted to fix like I knew they were there and um I knew I hadn't really worked on them since the games because of just taking time off and starting school and being busy and um just such a short

amount of time from the games to Rogue so i knew i hadn't really fixed them and i knew they were there but then after rogue i feel like i was kind of like more motivated to like okay that was embarrassing we're fixing these now so that they're not a problem anymore so you do do that so jacob doesn't even have to tell you he doesn't have to pull you aside and be like yo you don't you have the hard talk with yourself oh yeah i know i was like yeah i made the list myself and showed him was like we're doing this and he's fine with it because it's everything he's good at and and how about um uh reaching out to someone like a specialist in the field like hinshaw will you do is that something that's on your

on your list okay reach out to someone like chris i mean i'm sure he would kill to work with you yeah i mean we've i've worked with him once before so that's something we did um like a little like probably right before um like the summer last year like in April or something um we worked with him a little bit so I have some like insight from that and like advice and like stuff that he gave me that I worked on a lot during the summer for running and so I saw a bunch of improvements during the summer um but yeah we could definitely reach out to him again or get like some professional like insight into helping my running what about doing something um completely unorthodox what about joining the track team

or the cross- country team at your high school? I actually like Fraser did. I just get your shit humbled about this this year. Like I wanted to join cross country and the swim team. Wow. Um, wow. And I almost did it, but I just, I think that, I don't know why I didn't, to be honest, but I think that, like, it would just take up too much time that I cutting out of my like crossfit time is like worth it for if it fixes the weaknesses i'd love it if you join the track team and jacob goes out there and gets into a scuffle with uh some of the coaches what are you doing don't talk to her like that what are you doing no she's not running that Yeah. I used to do track in middle school, but it's kind of like right during like the open and all that. Like it's in the spring.

So it's like during all the qualifiers. So I can't really do it now. But you're going to have another year. You still have your senior year. I know. senior year i know but also i also like for my school if we do a sport then like like if i wanted to do the whole half day thing um if we do a sport then you have to like have be in a certain number of classes so i wouldn't be able to do that cooking sewing yeah i wish free free read free reading uh i heard um you were on uh talking elite fitness this is a great story and it's kind of a funny story but i want to talk about it like it's serious

because i'm curious how important it was to you uh jacob offered you i think you were 12 years old, and he offered you $500 if you didn't complain for a whole month. And on the 30th day, he gave you like one of the, he picked your two worst movements. I forget what it was, running and maybe, I don't know what the other one was. And he, to try to get you to complain and you didn't complain and you made it the whole 30 days. Did that actually work? Is that story true? And did that actually work? So you stopped complaining from there on out? Yeah, that story is true. He made me do like the double under mile. So we had to do like 35 or 50 or something double unders like every

minute on the minute until you like run a mile so you run with your rope yeah and do like double unders on the track but yeah that those at the time those were like my two least favorite movements like I was terrible at both of them so that's what he was trying to get me to complain but I didn't do it but yeah I don't know i think i feel like for a while after it i didn't complain just because i was like so used to like not but now he makes he always jokes that he needs to like make that bet again because i complain too much now is it gonna be i guess it didn't stick this whole time it would be be $5,000 now, Tal. Yeah, you got to up the answer.

Yeah. My question is, how much does Jacob complain? Yeah, I feel like he complains too, but I'm the only one that gets hate for it. I really appreciate you coming on. It's always wonderful seeing you. What a shining light and great asset you are to the CrossFit community. Thanks for being you. Thanks for letting us take a peek at your life and letting us talk to you at 9 a.m. on your vacation. Yeah, thank you.

All right. It's not easy to do. That was a very fast 45 minutes, Olivia. You did great. It was nice to have you here, and I'll see you next week. Okay. Bye. Bye.

Good luck at Wadapalooza. Thank you. Oh, yeah. No Wadapalooza questions. I didn't even get to that. I mean, seriously, it could have had it on for twice as long. It's very easy to talk to. Brian, you think she's going to be able to fill those holes?

And, you know, by the time we're 20, we're looking at like a top five finisher every year. Maybe. I think that she, you know, she's right on the money. Like she's got to balance a lot of stuff right now. You know, when you're in high school, there are certain things that you have to set aside time for. And when you want to pursue the CrossFit Games like this, same thing. There's not a lot of room for error. So I think if she's able to, I think that maybe the best case scenario

for her to achieve that would be to finish school as soon as possible, to open up some time for her. And then she needs to, I think, probably make the commitment to, you know, a few months of a swimming cycle or running cycle that is taking a little bit of the time away from the barbell. And, uh, and, you know, I also think that a little bit of a focus on the upper body pulling for gymnastics, just looking at especially the workouts, you know, from Rogue that she struggled with. Um, it was the muscle ups on the log, 18th rope climb, legless rope climb, 19th a muscle ups on the log 18th rope climb, Legos rope climb 19th ring muscle ups 19th.

Um, and then snatch and press with the strict handstand pushups 18th. So gymnastics needs to be right up there alongside the conditioning. I think we know that she's going to crush the barbell. Uh, so basically we have, we have two, two years to see. Well, if you said by 20, 20 i mean the other thing that's challenging and it's not there's no uh point in shying away from it is in your way is emma lawson emma carrie mal o'brien hayley adams gabby magawa laura horvath you know they're increasingly getting older between 17 and 25 years old but by the the time she's 17, the oldest of those will still

be Laura Horvath at 29. And there's no reason to think that any of those women won't continue to be threats to the podium, you know, over the next five years. Right. All that being said, her room, her glass ceiling theoretically is further away than all of those girls. theoretically is further away than all of those girls? I think so. But I'm not really sure. It's still in my mind that if Hayley Adams is committed to her strength this year and for two more years, that by 2027, she might be the one to beat. That's not out of the realm of possibility for me

because she's so good at all the other stuff. The problem is if she does that and she gets stronger, will she still be that good at those things? And same question for Olivia, like, will she still be able to win heavy grace when she's running, you know, a five 30 mile? I'm not sure. Um, would you, um, if you had, if you were an athlete, would you rather be in Olivia situation where you need to work on your running or Haley Adams need to work on your strength? Olivia. I don't know that this is exactly accurate, but I think it's Ben Bergeron, and maybe he wasn't the first to say it, but he was the first I heard say it.

He said, you want to improve your cardio? Give me six months. You want to improve your strength by the same margin, I need six years. Wow. Okay. And where do you fall on the genetics versus the training? I think genetics is a factor for sure. I mean, look, you know, if you were to look up her sister, you'll see she's, you know, when she was competing, she's very skinny relative to what Olivia is.

And they're, you know, they both had some success. Her sister was third place, I think, at the Games in her best year. Obviously, Olivia's won it, but the things they were excelling at were a little bit different. All right. And they were from the same family. So, you know, just because you're from the same family doesn't mean you're going to get the same genes. But that's a good example of where the body type, someone who's got a thicker bone structure compared to a thinner or longer muscles compared to shorter is going to have an inherent advantage on certain things. There's nothing that can that can.

I don't think that you're genetically a hard worker, though. I think anyone can be a hard worker. Right. 2027. I think anyone can be a hard worker. Right. 2027. I know. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Spencer, what's up, dude? What's going on, guys? How are you? Awesome. Great to see you.

You too. I cleaned my office last night and listened to endless interviews of you. So I feel like I spent the whole uh evening with you and now here you are right i want to i want to start with this post uh that um your brother made that is just absolutely brilliant i watched it like 10 times um will you pull that up uh mr beaver it's with you and saxon and scott uh fooling around with the worm. Where are you in this? Which one are you? I'm at the front.

Okay. So this is 2016. This is nuts. Where are you? Is that you in the middle? I'm in the middle. Oh, thank God. I at least made it underneath that.

Just saying, Scott should have been facing the other way. Okay. This is wild. And then that's you in the front here. Yeah. Let me ask you this quick question about the worm. Are there rules to it, by the way? Do you all have to be facing the same way?

I have no idea. Actually, I've done team before, and I can't remember. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I don't know. That's a really good question. I think yes. I think Scott was just doing that. Cause he's like, I know one of these idiots is going to mess it up and I want to make sure I

see it. Oh, tell me about that. Uh, tell me, can you go back to 2016? Do you remember that day? Oh, I do. So can you, can you walk us through no details too small. So who's I, this worms just sitting over at, uh, in Scott's gym. And he's like, come on boys, let's go, let's go fool around with this thing. Yeah, that was actually Scott ordered it. And, uh, he's like, all right, we got to hit a couple of workouts on it. And we,

I think I'm pretty sure we've been on it before. Um, but, uh, he's like, uh, he just put us in different spots. He's like, all right, pick it and that that's what everybody's facing a different direction but it was just like no instructions it was just like pick it up is in and then in 2022 it's just it's a whole different game four years later yeah yeah he's older and weaker and you two are stronger and smarter i wouldn't say he's weaker. No, he's not, huh? That man's still strong. Is this the first time you guys are on the same team together? No. No, we've done a lot of blues on team before.

At least twice. Yeah. I remember I was there in 2017 watching you guys, and I was extremely impressed. I think you guys all snatched 275. 285. 285 back to back to back. It was crazy.

That was such a fun event. Whose idea was it this year to go all as a team together? And tell me how that works. Are you guys all in? Do you guys all say yes right away? Or do some of you be like, I don't know? Well, Scott and I talked about it and Saxon went and he was competing. And unfortunately, Saxon's not coming down with us this year.

So we're in the process of finding another teammate. He was just just from traveling and stuff. He just wants to kind of focus on the year. So we're accepting we're, uh, accepting resumes for, uh, for a third teammate. So, so he's injured, but you're not allowed to talk about it. No, he's not injured. Okay. He's not injured. Uh, what, so one quick thing before we dig into that, um, what a cool event water Palooza is that you can do that. There's probably so many events that wouldn't allow you to do that and wadapalooza has been notorious for uh to just allow people to come in last minute to

make changes because at the end of the day it's about just going down there and competing yeah i think wadapalooza i think it's it's a really big platform but it's definitely more of the uh it's it's a more relaxed competition but it's still competitive because athletes are just going down there and and just having fun when saxon um are you guys on a three-way when he tells you or does he text you how do you find out that he's he's thinking about not doing it he talked to scott and then uh i sent him a message and uh because he was up for christmas and we did like some of that team stuff and um he um, he drove up from Tennessee. And I think by the time he got back, he was just kind of,

kind of smoked from, from the trip. And he went to, uh, he competed in Australia on a team and then rogue. And, um, I think he just really wants an off season.

And he has two kids. Yeah. He has two twin girls. Yeah. Crazy. Um, and, and when he tells you that,

do you guys try to talk him into it? Like, Hey buddy, don't worry. We'll just go trying to talk him. Crazy. Um, and, and when he tells you that, do you guys try to talk him into it? Like, Hey buddy, don't worry. We're still trying to talk him into it. Oh, you are. Okay. Good. Good. I like it. I like it. Um, what, what, uh, any candidates, uh, for the third, third wheel? It's kind of late. If we're finding anybody. We reached out to a couple people. And I know some people are going individual. Some are going team. Some are doing both. But it's, I don't know.

It's just, we're at the start. I'm in pretty good shape right now. Let's do it. Brian. Wow. And does that stress you out at all about that? A little bit. Cause I really want to, um, I definitely want to get down there and compete with Scott. I know, uh,

who knows when he's going to stop competing. He always says he is and that he just keeps going. So, um, anytime I get a chance to get on the floor with him, I really want to do that. Um, has your, not that you and Scott, not that there's any signs or I didn't see anything where you and Scott had a falling out at all, but I'm just like in all relationships, you know, there's ebb and flows. Have you kind of rekindled? I kind of get this impression from listening to some of your interviews that you've rekindled, you and your brother rekindled your love for each other. You're spending your training with them once a day and then you're you you guys are starting to really

bond again yeah it's just brothers and um we went and opened up a affiliate saxon and i and we did that for a few years and ran into a few issues with our landlord and wouldn't renew our lease and ended up just kind of shifting our focus just on competing right now. Saks moved to Tennessee, so I was just kind of up here and training alone. And it gave me a chance to really kind of get back and train with Scott. And again, it just kind of like rekindled my relationship with Scott. And it's just been fun since. Yeah, you're loving it, huh? Yeah.

And no kids, just a dog. Just a dog. Yeah, you are a smart man you there's plenty of time buddy plenty of time plenty Spencer are you uh do you have a new coach this year I'm working with Nick Fowler oh I worked with a very experienced coach yeah I worked with him last year going into semi-finals um and then I felt like I needed to kind of train with some people. And I went down and trained with some people at Mayhem going into the games. And then I ended up kind of stepping back.

And really, I just wanted to focus on myself and make sure I'm doing everything that I need for myself personally. And I ended up talking to Nick. And we decided to kind of pick up where we left off and go into the new year training together is it lonely training at mayhem when you're when you're the new guy no i don't i don't know if there's always somebody new coming in right i the reason why i say that is i was watching a video yesterday with uh rich and tyler christophal working out and i saw just roman in the background just working out. And it's not like you guys aren't capable of that. But I was thinking, oh, I wonder if it's people go there thinking that they're just going to fit in and assimilate. But really, I mean, you're coming into a really tight knit group of people, right? With Rich and Haley and Guy and Tyler and Samuel. And so it's not difficult kind of mes right with rich and hayley and gee and tyler and samwell and so it's not difficult kind of meshing with the group no not at all everybody's everybody's really welcoming

and um i had a chance i trained down there multiple times uh my previous coach was vacundo so we went down there and uh trained a few times before and i have a really good relationship with each one of those guys down there. That games camp also had a lot of athletes that had come in, and some of whom came from much, much further than Spencer. I think that the South American woman, Michelle Moran, was there. Uldis Upenix had come from Latvia. Lazar was in town. So there were a lot of kind of people who aren't usually there.

Yeah. Every week somebody new kept coming in. Was that the first time you met Lazar? I've met him before. I actually built up a really good relationship with him. He's a good dude, and he's just a really hard worker. Was that where you guys devised the plan to skip a lap on the bike workout? Listen, I'll take that to the grave. I don't convince I didn to skip a lap on the bike workout listen i'll take that i'll take that to the grave i don't convince i didn't skip a lap what a what a crazy well i mean in hindsight it's

so cool but at the time what a crazy uh situation right yeah i mean we were going through and everyone uh that was that was such a hard thing for me to overcome at the, at the games. Um, because for me as an athlete, somebody questioning my integrity, um, that's something that I just hold very. Wait, wait, people were actually questioning whether you did it on purpose. Oh yeah. The amount of messages that I got and, um, people's agents were crazy. People's agents were putting posts out saying that I got away with murder.

And I'm like, I will not work with you. But what a lot of people don't realize is it's five laps, but not only are you under fatigue, but you're communicating. And anybody who says they're not drafting with other athletes and talking as they're going through every three to four minute, every lap was three to four minutes. And you're, you're constantly having a conversation with somebody. And, um, again, I can see how it could be easy to, to lose track. But, um, when I came out on, uh, when I came out going into the last, uh, was it four or five laps? Um, Iar in front of me and uh we were just communicating the whole time and i'm like this is this is the last lap he's like this is the last lap like and i'm like yelling at the judges on the side i'm like last one and uh i come around to the gate and i said this is the last one and the guy uh he had a flag and waved us in he's like last lap and waved us in um so i i mean

i i was i was convinced that that i hit all my laps yeah to this day does it feel like when you think about it are you like okay i did five laps i mean my family was up top and they're like i swear you did all the laps awesome but again i, there's, there's so many people on the, on the, on the course. And, uh, I mean, I was lapping people coming around on my last one. I'm like, there's like, there's no way that there's no way I'm lapping somebody in a one mile, uh, in a one mile course. Um, but you were, but you were lapping people. Yeah. I was like, which made the counting even more fucked up. Yeah, it was, I mean, it was just, it was really difficult. And again, I think that's, in CrossFit, it's hard to have the consistency in events because we're always testing something different.

So there's always going to be something new to take into account when something were to come up again. But like I said, I'm'm convinced i'm convinced i did all my laughs but um again that was just a a wake-up call for me at the crossfit games of being able to to just let that roll off my shoulders and um for me like i said somebody questioned my integrity that was just very very difficult for me to me to process going into another event. I felt like I worked and I trained really hard to do well in an endurance event. So like I said, it was just very difficult for me to let that roll off my shoulders. But again, there's so many events and that's going to happen.

And it's how well can you just move past that when you when you came in um did the when you came in you came in first then right um no i lazar lazar came in before me um because i'm like i was like let's just draft i'm like your lane's closer like i'm fine with second like or i'm or i'm because i i thought we thought i'm fine with third because we thought uh yona because yona kasi was the only one that was in front of us so we assumed that he was already across the finish line um so we came in i'm like like i'm fine i'm fine with the third place in this workout um and then like we came in and he he rode his bike all the way to the to the field so as we come in and start pushing he rode his bike all the way to the, to the field. So as we come in and start

pushing the bikes, he's pushing his bike to the, to the far lane. And I'm like, oh man, like I'm going to, I'm going to beat him because, because he, uh, he didn't get off his bike when he was supposed to. Um, so I'm like, they're making him go to the last lane. So I'm going to take second in this workout. Uh, and actually he was he started pushing his bike back outside of the stadium why how did he know did someone signal him somebody at the end said like one more or something like that to him i think oh no that actually screwed him right yeah because i and i i sprinted across the line as if like that was it um so they ended up going back and taking our slowest lap and adding it on.

But for him, I mean, he ended up the penalty affected him even more because, because he went back for, he went back. So he not only did he lose the time from where his lane was, but he lost the time from where his lane was. He went to the end of the stadium and then back to his lane.

So not only did they take his slowest lap, but they added that time onto it as well and when you cross the finish line when do you um when do you realize uh-oh something's not right here i didn't see yona and i'm like oh no oh shit i'm like maybe he did maybe he did an extra lap and oh yeah okay yeah that makes sense that fucking idiot did an extra lap yeah i was like oh like he probably did a an extra lap and then boz came over and he's like you only you only did four and i'm like i did i did five like i'm i swear i did five um so again i think uh i mean for me I definitely think the penalty, I mean, I was expecting the worst.

I was expecting to just take a DNF in the, in the workout. Um, so I was like, I mean, I was really, uh, I was happy with, with what I got. Um, but again, I know it could have been much worse, but I think, uh, I think part of it was on CrossFit. I think part of it was on the athletes. And again, I think realistically, I think it was a fair penalty. I think everyone will say you still missed the lap. But I don't think anybody was going to – there was such a big gap between Lazar and I and then the people behind us that I think it would have been very, very difficult for somebody to catch up. But who knows? Anything can happen. behind us that I think it would have been very, very difficult for somebody to catch up. Um, but who knows anything, anything, anything could happen. Uh, Spencer's one of the best dudes in the sport. How could anyone question his integrity? I mean, I agree, but even if you were even the

worst integrity, no, no one out there is going to think that they're going to get away with doing four laps on purpose. And by the way, everyone – that's had to have happened to everyone in a workout. And when you're doing it in your gym – And when I do shuttle runs, I lose track. And it's only 25 feet down and back. It's like what point do you grab like chips or cards to count your rounds? And this is – these are three-minute laps. And like you're saying, if you're taught – right?

Weren't they like three? It was like there's a rate of 330 ish. So there's a lot of time to talk. Like you're saying, you're talking to other people, you're dealing with stuff. It's very easily for your mind to wander to something else and not keep track. Yeah. What would be the plan of attack next time? If you could go back and do that, how would you have counted them? Is there any like pull something off your wrist or yell the number out loud as you?

I think I would have just asked the question. And I think that's on me. I wish I would have just asked the question during our athlete brief. And I would have just said, at what point do you start grabbing chips to count your rounds in a workout in a gym? Because going back, I really don't know if there's much I could change. Like how, like, how could I figure out a way to, uh, to do that as an athlete? And when I look at it, it's like in the NFL, what, like if there's a penalty, is it like, Oh no, like you, you held me,

you know? So it's like, how do you, do you determine like what's the athlete's responsibility and then what's the judge's responsibility? So, again, I just think I just wish I would have asked the question. And I think there would have been a solution that everybody could have came to, because, again, it just wasn't Lazar and I. People did. Some people did extra laps. Some people did. It happened in the women's division it was it was just chaotic and i mean i i think it's great that you take you know some of the responsibility on the athletes but there's no for me there's no excuse from the cross the game's perspective there was nothing going on that day other than that you had all of the access to all

of the judges all the resources that you need just have one judge stay inside to count the gymnastics and one judge go outside and yell at their athlete every time they come by. Yeah. And I think it's just, I think figuring out how do you like, everybody has helmets on. It's like, everybody looks the same. It's like trying to pick somebody off while they're, while they're swimming. It's like, you're looking at like swim caps and stuff like that. And it's just, um, I think I like going back, I think there could have been like, maybe like speedometer on on the bikes or, you know, like those things that you collect odometer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think something like that that could have helped the athletes.

But again, I think I think it was just a very unique test. It was a great test. I think it was just a very unique test. It was a great test. Um, and I think, uh, I think there was, it's just very, very hard to plan for, I think. And, uh, I wish, I just wish an athlete would have asked the question. And again, like looking back, I'm like, I don't know what I would have done different. You know, what about this, Brian? Is this too chaotic? But why not let the coaches stand somewhere? Well, in this particular event, let them yell, you know, as your guy comes by. Scott, who did you give your coach badge to? Spencer. You gave it to Scott. OK, so thank you, Brian. And then so Scott could have just been yelling at you, right? Okay, so thank you, Brian. And then, so Scott could have just been yelling at you, right?

One. Yeah. Quit being a pussy, two. Yeah. I don't know if it was an open course out there or not. And if, I don't think that's- No, there was people that could, there was people that could, because everybody was calling me Saxon.

I'm like, I'm like taking Lazar's laugh and he's like, it's Spencer. Look at, I just called you Scott. It happens. Like, yo, it's Sax. I'm like, he's right behind you. He's's coming I was so scared when I was making the thumbnail for this video that I was going to use the wrong uh I was going to use Saxon instead of you so I'm like screw it I'm just going to his Instagram and I'm just stealing pictures from there that's funny hey when does um I got this

issue at home I want to ask you about uh two of my boys are six now, and one of them is eight, and the fighting has really been upped. Lots of like – it's just nonstop wrestling, like just so much wrestling. And like even at the dinner table, I see some face shots are kicking under the table, and they're having a blast until they're not right when when does that stop when am i gonna get uh i don't think it ever stops no it doesn't oh man and then they if they hurt each other they all start crying i'm like listen like well how did you think this was gonna end to end? Yeah, I don't think it ever stops. I think it only escalates. Yeah. Great. Any advice for me?

I just take him out to the garage and make him run on the treadmill when I can't handle it. There you go. Make it a little fitness challenge. Yeah. You're going to keep running here until none of you are crying anymore. Yeah. Right, right. Basically.

That's the stuff our dad would do. Yeah, basically. keep running here until none of you are crying anymore yeah right right basically basically yeah basically i i have this game that i have them play that's pretty cool i feel like it's pretty manipulative i stand them in a triangle and i have them throw a ball at each other and if anyone drops the ball they all do a burpee oh that's cool and that usually will buy me like 30 minutes of like because it's raining here and we can wait for like five days straight and we can't go outside. Outside, it's all good. Inside, it's just WWF. Yeah. It's just nuts.

I mean, I remember, I mean, Scott, I mean, I remember him coming home from college and we're throwing wrestling mats out in the driveway and we're just letting it roll. Would that scare your mom? No, I think she's been through enough that she's just like, ah, okay. Like, they're fine. Just let them have it out. Is it a two-on-one over there? No, it doesn't even matter. It doesn't even matter.

You would think that the twins would team up on the older brother. It's not like that at all. Obviously, they beat. There's five boys, so. Oh, with you, there's five? Yeah, there's five boys so oh with you there's five yeah there's five boys so i mean i remember i remember the day that i pinned at least everybody once and i was like all right i'm done yeah it's um there's no there's no rhyme or reason to it there's no there's just some dude just eating a sandwich at the table another dude just comes by and slaps him in the face and then it's just on i'm like what my wife blames me she's like this is the culture you built

um let's go back to this uh switching coaches are you looking for a home like would you like to be settled would you like to like do the like, do you have a dream situation or anything that's realistic where you'd like to just be somewhere for like six years, the next six years or 10 years? I mean, right now I'm, I'm, I'm really happy with, uh, with what I'm doing. And, um, for me, I, I, I really enjoy having a coach that's working with few athletes and, um um a lot of that focus can kind of be on me and it doesn't really uh i i think it's really easy to get diluted um especially with like a lot of like training camps and stuff i think uh because at the end of the day there's so many athletes and there's so many hours in a day it's how can you give each person what they

need? Um, and I think it's, it's really important to find a coach that's going to give you the focus that you need. And for me, that was something that I was like really seeking out, uh, where it's, Hey, here's your splits. You need to hit these. And like, these are the times. It's, um, I was listening to Danielle Brandon talkon talk about that about how when she was at the underdogs athletics it was kind of one size fits all and now she's with matt torres and you know they just train two people at a time yeah it's her and dallin so obviously hers is going to be different and she was saying the same thing like hey i i really i'm flourishing under individual attention yeah i think that's really important.

I think, I mean, the sport is, I mean, it's still evolving, and I don't think there's a perfect formula yet. But I know that it's requiring more and more hours of training. And, I mean, Saxon was up training, and I'm like, man, he's training. He's doing a lot of training too. And I look at some of the stuff that Scott's doing and I think it's, it's so important while you're at a young, younger age to, to be able to, to build up as much fitness. Because as you get older, obviously recovery becomes more of a priority and I think it's kind of getting ahead of the game and then uh as you develop all these skills and uh strength it's it's going to kind of carry with you as you get older and I think that's how you build longevity in the sport when you uh when you look at what Scott's doing

compared to what you guys are doing would you say that you guys are investing a similar amount of time in the day towards trying to optimize your fitness, but what you're doing has, that's what shifted for him. Yeah. I mean, he looks at what I'm doing. He's like, dude, you're crazy. Um, but again, I think, uh, I think the sport's evolving so much that it's, it's, it's just demanding so much more from the athletes and, uh, for him, uh, he's 35 now. And I think in order for him to be able to continue in the sport, it's, it's putting more of that focus on, I mean, it's good to really, it's going back to the roots of CrossFit and it's, um, the hours you have in the gym, like you're putting everything you have into it. It's a lot of high intensity stuff where, um, a lot of stuff that I'm doing, it's you see more of like linear progressions and you're you're doing a lot like you're going through different building blocks where somebody like Scott, he's I mean, he's fit year round.

But it's a more balanced training. Um, so for him to be able to go and step on a competition floor anytime a year, like he's good to do that where you have some of these athletes that, um, they're trying to develop skills that they, they really need to work on, but they spent the last like four to six weeks doing a block of, of just really putting a lot of focus on that. And, um, that's, that's their focus. And, um, they know they're not maybe ready to compete necessarily. Um, but I think they're, they're they're not maybe ready to compete necessarily. Um, but I think they're, they're trying to, uh, to peak for the right time.

Are there times where you guys maybe will, you know, train together for 90 minutes and then you'll be like, Hey, you know, I got this, this strength progression I gotta work on. He's like, great. I'll be over here foam rolling. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when Saxon was up here, that was kind of like what we did. Um, and for Scott, it's just like i'm gonna go do a cardio session now so you're training more than him you're putting in more time i don't want to say more time i'm more time in the gym he's putting more time in doing recovery and um focusing on the stuff that he needs in order to to stay competitive in the sport. It still might be seven hours of invested time towards your fitness,

but you might be spending five in the gym and two on the side, and he might be doing four in the gym and three on the side. Yeah, exactly. What do you think about what Ariel Lowen's doing? She takes the classes at a CrossFit affiliate, and then she gets then makes it, she gets the workouts a week in advance and then makes her other workouts around the movements that she didn't get in the CrossFit class. It seems like, I mean, that's pretty,

are you impressed by that? Are you like, holy shit. I mean, that's impressive. I mean, that would be hard for me. Um, and I think, again, I think where the sports going, it's very difficult with with how much attention goes into programming. workout, a strength, and maybe a skill a day. And that was just hours of hours, hours a day of, of just programming. And I look at kind of like what I'm doing now and how much more time actually goes into that and becoming a coach. It's, it's very demanding. And if you can take that stress off an athlete, I think that's going to help the athlete a lot more. And I think those hours can be spent in other places. And I think for an athlete, it's time management of how you can maximize your time at getting better. How did you pick Nick? Like I said, I worked with him last year.

Scott recommended him to me um i know he talked to a few of his athletes before i know jacob uh heppner worked with him and um scott was like this is this is a good guy this is this is this is somebody that i think will be a good fit for you uh a lot of the athletes he works with have have built up really good aerobic capacities and um for me it was a lot of stuff that i really with have, have built up really good aerobic capacities. And for me, it was a lot of stuff that I really needed to work on. And after working with him, we just built up a really good relationship and I'm really enjoying it right

now. I think he, he lives out West somewhere. Yeah. He's in Salt Lake city. When the new season format came out, did you give any thought to maybe relocating west knowing that there's you know going to be an east and a west and maybe being proximity to him was that a conversation

you guys had at all uh no i enjoy being around family and um i spent some time uh down in tennessee and uh for me i just like that's my family's what really kind of drives me and i just i enjoy being around them. For me, I think it would hurt my performance a little bit more than help it. Spencer, is your body composition still changing? Yeah. Yeah, I started working with Mike from M2, and that was something that I decided to do this year is put on a little bit more size. Yeah, you look bigger.

You look like you're turning into your brother. Yeah, I increased my calories. Saxon, I just think we have such high metabolisms. And I mean, we're consuming six thousand plus calories. And I mean, it's kind of the offseason right now still. But I think taking a step back, I'm like, man, I was very, very under fueled last year. And like, I was tired and, um, kind of going through the motions in a sense. And this year I feel like I like I'm at the point where I'm putting size on,

I'm taking all my fitness with me. And, um, like I have so much more energy. I feel like it's just so hard to leave the gym. I never, I never put too much stock into the athletes weights that are recorded because they're not actually weighing you guys. So we don't really know. It's just whatever you choose to report. But I think that for the majority of your careers, you guys have been competing about 10 pounds lighter than most of the other games athletes. Yeah, for sure. Um, I, I mean, just looking at the stats, you can look at, uh, I mean I mean, in order to, I mean, based off past guys that have won the games, you're looking at guys that are five, about 5'7 to 5'8 and 190 to 200 pounds. I mean, I fit the height. It's just, it's putting the weight on.

And I think that weight will carry into a lot more like strongman stuff. And I look at a lot of my gymnastic skills and I think that's kind of, those are movements that I'm pretty good at. But I think just kind of playing with the weight and not putting it on too fast. But if I can take those gymnastic skills with me, I think with work and help out with a lot of like my weightlifting and strongman stuff,

I think it can really help me as an athlete. I heard someone say recently that when you show up at the games or you want to compete at the highest level, that it is also important that when you show up to the games, you show up as the very absolute leanest version of yourself that can still compete do you have any thoughts on that um i think you need to go in a little bit heavier because it's going to be so hard to consume the amount of calories that you need to over the course of the weekend and i think if if you go in under fueled and lean i think by sunday i think you're just going to be just fat that's just my opinion yeah yeah yeah lean i think by sunday i think you're just gonna be just fat that's just my opinion yeah yeah yeah yeah i think that's more of the matt fraser school that's been i think that was the matt fraser school of thought too right yeah but seven you've told story from i think 2011

where you were standing next to greg and he saw annie sakamoto walk out and he goes she's too skinny she's not gonna do well this year like immediately yeah yeah i think like i there's i mean nutrition is such a um i just wish i would have dove into it more because i'm like i'm just gonna keep eating i'm gonna keep eating and uh i think having that balance of your macros and uh just to just to chart it down and just make sure you're consuming enough because it's um um, when you're eating such clean food, the amount of food you actually have to eat, it's, it's crazy. Yeah. Is it hard? Really hard. Cause I'm, I'm the type of person, I don't like to eat a ton of candy to get my calories. I'd rather just keep it. Like for me, I want to make sure I know I'm doing everything

right. And I don't want to put something in my body that I feel like can hurt me. And, uh, so, so for me, like I'm definitely consuming a lot more food. What are your, what are your go-to junk foods like rice and potatoes? And I say that joking around when I say junk food, but what are your go-to like, Hey, I need to like, I need fast, fast fuel of baby food. Uh, during the day I do a lot of like drive through and applesauce. And I'll do like body armor, stuff like that. And then like, for like my carbs and stuff, it's just a ton of oatmeal and rice.

Yeah. Crazy. And do you not, I heard you also say you don't like to work out with a full stomach at all. I i don't right i don't hey can that happen at the games can that happen at the games where you eat it have you ever done that at the semi-finals or the quarterfinals or where it's like oh shit i have too much food in me no i think um the problem is is you're going from event to event so fast that it's just i mean you're you're kind of eating stuff that's just very easy to digest and then come nighttime it's just force feeding yourself. Do you feel when you're at the games this year or when you're in these long events that you're just this calorie burning machine? Like you're like, I just ate this bar and it's gone. Like you literally just feel your body just like –

Yeah. Just nuke it. I went into the game so under fueled this year it's it's ridiculous like i look back and i'm like i'm such an idiot wow yeah but don't be i mean i don't think be too hard on yourself you know it's those are some of the things that you have to learn and there's a variety of different reasons why people struggle in their first or two years at the games relative to what their perceived expectation is and getting the nutrition right is tough yeah and that's it like i'm still kind of figuring it out and uh i've adjusted my my numbers uh a lot but i finally feel like i'm kind of at a point that i'm like okay

like this these are these are good numbers um i'm keeping weight on and um i'm able to take a lot of like my gymnastics and stuff with me but but what is, what is the breakdown? Do you know offhand? Like, is there some carb fat protein ratio? I don't know exactly what the ratio is. Like my carbs are like seven 50 to 800. I think my fats are like one 35. And then my proteins like two 60,

something like that. Give or take some numbers. When you do Wadapalooza this year, will you just do teams or will you do individual also? We'll see if we can find a teammate. I mean I'd really like to go team. I really want to compete with Scott. I might have someone for you, Spencer. I'll talk after this.

Perfect. I thought about going individual. That's still something I'm kind of talking with my coach about. But again, we were going through some progressions and stuff and really kind of focusing on the year, but going down and having some fun having some fun and, uh, building some memories with, with my brother. So, um, we'll kind of see where it goes. Why wouldn't you do both just because you don't want to, because it would influence your, um, your capabilities in the team competition the last two days.

Yeah. I think, uh, Scott's Scott was only doing uh team and i think uh like i don't i think that would be kind of messed up to go down and do both where he's kind of like i mean he's been he's been training hard because he was so excited to go uh to go team and um like i want to make sure i can give it my all is for that for the team yeah that's cool that's very cool uh how how's the uncle life i love it i love it uncle life is the best you get to spend time with him when you're done with them you're like here you go back i just got over a cold because i was like uh i was at my parents for christmas and everybody's like sick and like, ah, like just jumping all over me. But I love it.

It's awesome. How old is your oldest niece or nephew? She is, I mean, there's so many. She's 10. Okay. So they know you. So you're the cool uncle. Yeah, I'm the cool uncle.

I'm the funcle. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Congratulations. How many are there? there's scotch has had one so uh eight eight wow and you got to spend your family with all of them yeah oh that's a good life yeah it's awesome i love getting them all together and my parents love it even more. So this last year was your first year going to the CrossFit Games. And how old are you?

Twenty six. When when Saxon went before you, did you did that fuel the fire or did you ever feel the dream? Let me go back a second. I remember seeing you in Carson. Yeah. And and you were just the two guys who would pull up in the car with your parents you need the two little kids in the car and um scott would at night scott would i would walk scott to the car and try to get some behind the scenes stuff and i would see you guys and i'd be like holy crap it's two little

mini me's um did you when did you know that um you would go to the games like did you, when did you know that, um, you would go to the games? Like, did you remember ever sitting up and sitting in bed at night or out on the track running and be like, holy shit, I'm going to go to the games. I've always said it. And I mean, I wasn't going to stop until I did it. Um, and I think this year, um, sacks and moving away was kind of a blessing because it allowed us to each focus on ourself. Um, I think just being brothers, it's very difficult because you want to see the other one succeed. And sometimes it's at your own cost.

And I think now that each one of us kind of went a separate way and we're doing our own programming, it's like, okay, like each one of us can just, we each one of us have a team around us and we can each focus on what we need to do in order to be as successful as we can in the sport and and really the vision is all of us being at the games on the floor and um it's it's holding that vision not um not us at the end of the day we're still going to help each other get there but um like the memory will be us like kind of walking off the floor floor together at the games did the dream ever dim has it ever crept in like okay i'm just gonna be a coach no no it's never it doesn't dim no yeah that's that's amazing have you ever heard it dim for

any of your brothers no no no i, no. I think, uh, I think Scott's at the bar high. And, uh, for me, I'm like, dude, keep going, like, keep going. Because for me, it's like, okay, I still have another nine years that I can keep competing. Yeah. That's awesome. Like, he's like, I mean, again, his brothers, it's just somebody who's always setting the bar higher and it's like, okay, how can I outdo you? You go to the games this year, and you have to deal with Adrian Bosman. Has that changed your training? And what have you seen change just basically in people's training in the landscape, in the elite division landscape?

I mean, I think a lot of the gymnastics, obviously, I think you're starting to see a lot more complex gymnastics movements. But I think it's just paying attention to the roots of CrossFit. And a lot of new movements that you'll see pop up at the games are on main site or in across the journal at some point. And, um, I think, uh, especially with athletes that are, uh, that have coaches, I think it's, it's really easy to kind of steer away from the basics and, uh, paying attention to that, that kind of stuff. And, um, I think as an athlete, like you need to, like, you need to do your work outside of competing and uh training and

again training is going online and watching videos and what's new how to do this and having a coach it's it's important but um i think i think there's a lot of stuff that really falls on the athletes is as well and it's um it's like watching film are there any skills you practice that you know will never be in the games like like like slackline or something like that um i mean i'll play with some stuff but who knows who knows if it'll ever be at the games or not i think you know slacklines is a good example you're developing skills that might not be tested specifically but could have a translation to a little bit more accuracy or balance coordination with any number of things yeah it's like um it's like when they thank you brian i thought spence was blowing me off with

that thank you no i think i mean you look at like when they were going across like the wet logs that they uh at the obstacle course um but i think i think if you can develop that balance going through different things um i think i think those skills all add up over time it's like rock climbing you'll probably never see rock climbing at the games but how does it how does it help you with other stuff what about so what about these these uh things that have popped up not so much the pegboard i know you're good at the pegboard but like this crossover or this um l sit on the parallettes to uh handstand are these things that like everyone knows like if a games athlete shows up next year and they can't do those is it like man that's all on you yeah it's definitely it's definitely on the athlete um i mean i think

there was i look at like the crossover ones i I think it was just the, uh, I think it was just the basics. And I think, I mean, I snagged on a single under and it's just like, like there's, there's no worse shot to your ego than snagging on a single under it's worse than snagging on a double under. Um, you know, that 90% of your affiliate would have hit those 75 single. My dad's 65 years old and was like, I would have hit that. Give me those. But again, I think going back, I look at that and I'm like, that was an experience thing for me.

It's like, what the heck am I practicing crossovers in the back for? If I make it to the crossovers, I'm top five in the event. I'll figure it out on the floor and only two people got off them. Um, and again, it's just banking on your fitness to, to carry you the rest of the way. But some of these skills, you're not going to learn instantly. And it's gonna, it's going to take time. Um, like I look at, uh, at water blues that they're they're doing those uh hands again holds on parallettes and i kicked up instantly and i'm like what the heck these are hard um but it's just having a few minutes and playing on it and what do you think about the fact that wadapalooza announced that

you know 10 days early compared to the games announcing you know five new movements in the speed medley 24 hours beforehand yeah i think uh i think wadapalooza doing it i think uh i mean i think that's smart for them for sure because you don't want the last thing you want to do is have everybody get out there and tie right um but i think i think there's a fine line with a lot of it like i think with the with the double under crossovers it's like okay am i going to use in order to move fast on double unders, you're starting to see people, their jump ropes are coming up to their hips. So they're on a super short rope and good luck trying to crossover with that. Um, so I think it's, it's,

I think there's a fine line with it, with making sure you have the right equipment with you. Um, so yes, it's playing with them, but not overdoing it. Do you, do you think that in particular, you as an athlete have an advantage getting information closer to the time that it needs to be done if it's something new or would you prefer the week plus notice? I like it. I like everything on the fly personally, because it's, everybody's on the same playing field when now, when you're doing it like a week before it's everybody's going through their deloads or their tapers.

And it's like, okay, am I going to test this workout or am I going to just trust my fitness when I get out there? Um, so it kind of takes that out of the question. How's it going to feel in the middle of a competition after a heavy lift? And do I want to simulate that now or just wait and see? It's like, and then you're like, okay, that hurt. Like, I don't want, like I know I'm going to get out on the floor and it's going to hurt again. It's like, I'd rather just hurt one time spencer do you journal do you write stuff down like how how it sounds like from the interviews i listened to you uh yesterday that you do see a life after

competing that involves uh still being involved in the sport? Yeah. Are you journaling? Yeah, I do actually after each event. And it gives me a chance to just kind of sit down and put my thoughts on paper. Literally at the games after each event, you'll journal a little bit. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Like once the event's done. Oh, okay. After the competition.

After the competition. And what about training? What about like things like, you know, like, you know, you've done enough burpees and you spot something you're like, oh, I can actually swing my hands down and throw my body down faster. Or as you come up with these things that just seem they're so they're nuanced, but you realize I've been doing burpees for three years before I thought of that. Do you write that stuff down? Are you preparing? I got the, I got the, when someone brought up coaching in the future, I felt like I heard a little pep in your step. Like you were part of you is excited for your career to come to an end, you know, in another 10 years, because you do want to, you do want to share everything that you're learning. Yeah. I think, think uh i think there's such an important uh aspect uh to writing everything down and uh like i remember opening i like i still open up books from when i first started cross it i'm like looking at times and notes i'm like oh my goodness like i remember

doing toes the bar where i'm grabbing the bar here my my feet are coming on the outside of them and scott's like what the heck are you doing i'm like 13 years old hey that's like the guy in college who puts his mouth over the whole bong it's like dude what are you doing but you let him you watch him do it two or three times but uh yeah no i i have uh i have two different journals and uh One's kind of like a competition log and one's more of a training log and different things that I've learned and different pieces of equipment that I've been on. Like getting on the P-bars that are wooden versus the P-bars that are metal. One has more give. As you kick up, you need to be ready for that kind of shock where you get on the metal ones and you're not going to feel like that, that bend in that bar.

But again, I think they're training a short barbell compared to a long barbell. Like a short, like everybody at Wadapalooza last year on the short bar, nobody, nobody could get their elbows through. It's like, what the heck? We talk about the, the medley workout quite a bit, but Rogue, I mean, that's what Rogue is just notorious for. I mean, they had that bar muscle-up log thing. Yeah. I mean, that was crazy. How cool was that?

I thought that was awesome. That was such a cool – and it was funny because I actually told Scott weeks before. I'm like, everybody – because he's like, he's always on – everybody's throwing their grips over the bar, but he can't do it. So that's why he's like, I'm going to tell them they can't do that anymore. It's going to go away at some point. And I'm like, you just can't do it. So you're going to take everybody else out with you. What do you mean, like the hand grips?

People will throw them over the bar. You see it like Travis Mayer, Scott, a of like the OGs will put their fingers in him. But like he's like everybody's getting an advantage for throwing their grips over the bar, which I don't know. I think it's I have mixed feelings about it. I think I think it's just different. It's just again, you're still protecting your hands and it just gives you more of a false grip on it. But but I told him I was like, I think if they put a thicker bar, it's going to eliminate that. And all of a sudden, at Rogue, you're seeing people turn their grips around and not use their grips anymore.

But again, if Scott has taught me anything, it's just standards are always changing. So don't get comfortable with one thing. It's just standards are always changing, so don't get comfortable with one thing. Have you tried since you've seen that workout at Rogue doing bar muscle-ups on anything thicker than a bar? I've tried them on a yoke before, actually. Oh, okay. Because it's a similar diameter. But, again, that's just like outdoor fitness and just getting out and doing off-school courses, getting over a wall like that are you that was more athleticism i guess right and you know and i guess there's a mental

component too because i'm guessing a lot of people may be freaked out when they saw that yeah i i'm sure i know they had them in the back of the warm-up area um so i think people had a chance at least play on them a little bit, but, um, I just think, uh, again,

I just think it's, uh, paying attention to standards always changing. And, um, you need to just continue, um, very in your training.

Oh, uh, you are, uh, you're engaged now. Speaking of mental pieces. I am. And that just happened,

right? Four months ago. Yeah. And is that, does that add to the complexity or is that relief? It's relief. It is. Yeah.

How long before you asked, were you contemplating it? Well, I had two, I, oh, oh, him. Oh, I thought you meant me it? Well, I had two questions. Oh, him. Oh, I thought you meant me for asking the question. Yes, yes.

I was contemplating it for 30 seconds. How long were you contemplating? Sorry, I forgot we're interviewing you, Spencer. Go ahead. I wanted to do it before the games, but again, I think that was – I think it was just kind of waiting until that weekend was over. But I'd say a few months for sure. I think it was just kind of waiting until that weekend was over. I'd say a few months for sure. What color lipstick are you wearing in this photo?

Listen, I don't know who edited that picture. That's really cool you guys put on the same lipstick. That's really sweet. There was a big kiss right before that. Yeah. It's a relief because it's something off your mind. It's something you wanted to do, and then you got to, like, it's done, and you got to take it off your mind. No, I've wanted to do it, but to just, I mean, she's been with me this past year.

And, like, just the support that she's given me. She came down to Cookville to train with me for months, and we only had one car. She just worked out in the driveway. I just threw a barbell in. Just the sacrifices that she's made for me. Again, it really meant a lot to me. To just be along with me on this journey, it just means a ton. Honey, I appreciate how much you've sacrificed for me now i'm gonna suck you into it for a whole

lifetime uh any any what any sports you're playing in the in the off season anything that you not not not anything formal but are you doing uh frisbee golf? Are you, um, you know, any flag football leagues? Are you doing anything? Uh, no, no, I don't. I, I mean, I'll go out and golf with some buddies and stuff, but, um, now I'm usually just working through, uh, different things through CrossFit. Listen, when you guys are ready for disc golf, give me a call. I'll come out to Ohio and teach you guys how to play. I love it. Well, thank you, Spencer, so much. I appreciate it. Always great to see you.

I'm starting to figure out who's who. And it's really cool. And I have to tell you, my favorite part of watching you is obviously your relationship with your brothers. It's so cool to see the kind of glean, uh, the rekindling of you and Scott, not that there was ever anything wrong, but just the ebb and flow. And it's really cool. It's really cool.

And congratulations for finding, uh, Nick Fowler. I've heard nothing but the greatest stuff about him. And you, you really are coming off like, uh, you're in a great place.

So congratulations. I appreciate it. And I appreciate you guys having me on. Yeah. Anytime, brother. All right. So I'm going to send you a DM, uh, just in case you're interested yeah i can get can i give brian your phone number yeah

you sure yep perfect he'll have it he'll have it forever then that's all right i'll give brian your phone number cool all right brother thanks guys Mr. Beaver. Hello. You look like you got some sun, Caleb. Maybe not up there. Yes. Brian's always pushing hard for disc golf.

Yes. He has found his, I didn't bring it up. I didn't bring it up. He has found his, his, bring it up i didn't bring it up he has found his his uh his love uh panchics are the future three playing brothers you mean three playing brothers the future panchics i don't know man they've those guys have set the bar so high hey so so we had all these brothers right we had um who were the first brothers there were you're probably thinking of the Anderson brothers. Yes. Thank you, Brian.

But you should be thinking of the Fitzgerald brothers. But only two of them. Still? Okay, fine. Yes. Two great brothers also. But we don't – that's pretty interesting that we had three. We had the Anderson brothers, then we had the Smith brothers, and then now we have the Panchuk brothers. And that's kind of over, right? There's no more brothers or sisters in terms of a three-pack?

I mean, that's pretty rare. Yeah, I think it's rare. And I think it will be unlikely to see too often going forward. And we have Sidney and Brooke, but that's just two of them. Even in those cases, like Dane Smith hasn't made the games, Sidney Wells hasn't made the games. This is an, and,

and in, in the case of, you know, what he's talking about, all three brothers making the games at the same year. We still haven't had that. Yeah. That's wild.

So, so did the Andersons never did that? I don't think it was the same year. I think that ZA made it in a year and then Alex made a few years and Alex and Jacob made it in the same year in 2016 i believe and they even had their dad make it to the games yeah and there are some athletes that have done that but again not as big of a of a family thing i know i'm telling you i don't think my boys would uh end up doing uh across it they're coming for something we just don't know what yet

yeah exactly they're coming for your daughters they're coming for something we just don't know what yet yeah exactly they're coming right now they're coming for your daughters they're coming for your daughters if you want young boys who are wild who won't have a cell phone until they're 18 uh mine are your uh guys uh coffee pods and wads uh the rare three generation trifecta of will savon and Bill Grundler. Wow. I need to have Bill Grundler back on. Today at 5 PM, I should probably send her a text now. I know you guys are going to find this very hard to believe, but today at 5 PM, we have Daniel Brandon coming on the show. Brian, will you be making that show? It's 5 PM Pacific standard time.

But today at 5 p.m., we have Daniel Brandon coming on the show. Brian, will you be making that show? It's 5 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. Coaching until 5.30 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. So maybe I'll jump in half hour into it. All right. If you'll have me then. I would love to have you then.

I would love to have you then. Do you think she'd like to have me then too? Oh. Actually, it's a half hour late. That might be right on time. Hey, do you like this? I'm so stimulated by the thumbnail. So I looked up the word emotional, and then I crossed out the bad synonyms for it, and then just stuck Daniel Brandon over it.

You're having fun. Yeah, I'm having so much fun. I did see what happened on Monday Night Football. I did see what happened on Monday Night Football. I did see. I actually turned it on and watched the commentators as they went back and forth from the desk to the field. I hope that dude's okay. Damar Hamlin.

What a crazy, crazy situation. It'll be interesting to see what they, uh, what they come back with and what they find out. I thought it was interesting that, yeah, I think that some people on the desk had opinions on what might have happened. I mean, obviously everyone's seen the videos of all these athletes falling on the fields and there's, you know, I don't know if there's two camps, but we're in an era of, uh, where it's difficult to get information, to get the facts. And so – well, here's the thing. We can all get information, but we all have to think.

We all have to be able to think, right? And so we just got to think and think things out and try not – but both sides are getting more and more biased. I'm guilty of that. So I'm curious what's going to happen. I'm very curious. What did you think about that, Brian, about them stopping the game just from the sports perspective? Did you see what happened last night?

A guy dropped on the field? I know what happened, yes. I was asleep, but I watched some stuff this morning and read some articles this morning about it. And I don't know. I mean, it's unusual. Do you stop the game? If someone died at the CrossFit Games, you think they'd stop the…

Diet is different. Sorry, someone passed out at the games? No. It happens a lot in the NFL. I think Lisa Saunders salt or the female reporter over there was talking about, you know, we were all just waiting for the thumbs up. Like it happens a lot in football that someone has something happened to him and they're taken off the field, but they give the thumbs up and the game goes on. The injuries happen. Yeah. And to the point where

they have to put on a stretcher and they're immobilized, whether they're that's necessary or not, it's a precaution that's taken, and they wheel them off the field, and usually they just do a little thumbs up, and then the stadium cheers, and the game goes on. And after a minute of game time, people are just back into the game. I think it's rare to have the game postponed or to not go through that process I just explained and have action continue. In this case, it's a big decision too because it's the end of the season.

Those two teams have positions in the playoffs to fight for, including a really rare opportunity at a bye in the first round. This was the final week of fantasy football, which shouldn't really be a focus, but there's a lot of people that play that, a lot of money on on the line, some big name players in that game that are now not playing. And so there's like, you know, many, many repercussions financially in terms of the season, the ticket holders, everything else that has to be weighed into and taken into account there. So by no means is it an easy decision. And I do think it's rare that they would, it's a rare decision to make historically. But, but there was something unique

about that injury we don't know what it is exactly but somehow it was so profound the way he collapsed the way he stood up the way he collapsed the way they had to do the cpr on him on the field that it was something set it apart from other injuries and then of course the polarizing nature of it because people some people just want to jump to the conclusion that it was because he was vaccinated because 95 of the players are vaccinated so there's that element too right sure but i mean there was some there was something about it the point of all of the stuff i was saying is exactly what you said. This is not the norm. This is an exception. Yeah.

The decision was made because he went to cardiac arrest on the field, CPR and AED on the field. So that might be what the exception is. In all of those other cases, they may not have had to use those things and and there's a possibility i don't know maybe this contributor knows that there's uh something in place that the nfl has in terms of protocols where if that happens that that elevates it to a different you know like a red alert type scenario where the the actions following that are you know different than what we're used to seeing i'm not sure i i think i could be i think that the most severe thing that I've seen happen at the games is what happened to Emily Rolfe. I mean,

we've seen stuff like what Brandon Waddell saying at the CrossFit games. Do you think if when Kara fell out after Murph, she needed CPR to keep her alive, they would continue. The athletes were shook emotionally. I think stopping was the right thing to do. Oh, the NFL.

Go ahead, Brian. Oh yeah. If that's what you're saying, I think stopping was the right thing to do for the NFL. I mean, in the case of the CrossFit Games, there's an event, and then it ends, and there's a period of time before another event begins where you have more time to make those decisions. In the NFL, you're pressed to make the decision in a timely manner. Are we going to continue playing this game or not? And we have about five minutes to make that call.

With 100,000 people in the stands and a million people watching at home. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. No, I'm not suggesting Emily Rolfo self-inflicted seven. She chose to continue. No. What I'm saying, though, is, is that I think her situation was like we saw Cara pass out. But, you know, she got her temperature cooled down, got some, you know, food and water in her, and she's back in the game. I think we've seen that, you know, I don't know. I'm going to say 50 times at the CrossFit Games on some degree. Back in the game, but not at 100%. Right.

But with Emily Rolfe, I think that if she wouldn't have gotten medical attention, her show could have gotten really bad really quickly. She probably shouldn't have even finished the workout right right right um stuff like this has happened in other sports prior to the vaccine this happened in other sports particularly chris pronger in the nfl uh playoffs back in 1998 i'd have to i'd have to see the video uh i'd have to see the video. I'd have to see the video. But let me tell you, that's also 24 years ago. Look, whatever happened, it's a rare incident.

Oh, NHL, NHL. Okay, here we go. Wow, look at Caleb. There you go patrick clark yeah that's very that that looks very uh i wonder what happens just prior to him taking that knee oh he is not good he got hit with a puck in the chest oh he did oh i hit him right in the chest and that was that what was that effect again you mentioned it at the beginning of the commotion cordis commotion cordis um and did that guy need

cpr out on the ice um i don't know what happened to following that or ad so when i saw that this was you know this morning when i woke up and saw all of this and i was hopeful that i'd be able to still see the video of it which i was I was expecting something a lot more dramatic than what the play was. I mean, it was like, right. From my perspective, like a very routine play with a very not routine repercussion. But, but in sort of along the line of what Patrick is saying, it's probably pretty routine for a guy to get hit with a puck also,

but that one was just placed perfectly, right? Can we watch that hit one more time? Caleb, when you watch that hit, does that guy get hit in the chest? The hockey one? No, no, sorry. The football one. Hold on, let me pull it up. I think he...

Patrick Clark, I've seen this, uh, injury in college and soccer and baseball. Yeah. A bunch of people were, uh, DM me and there's a bunch of people saying that it's not, um, completely uncommon.

How do people normally recover from this? Okay, here we go. Here's the play one more time with, uh, Damar Hamlin. Yeah. It looks like it. Can can you can we watch

yeah maybe i mean it's a glancing blow right ah shoulder right in the in the square to the chest yep yep yep and he and he can't he you can you can right there you can see it too right i mean he i don't know what that word is when you do that but he goes straight to hollow rock yeah he just lowers his shoulder right into his chest um there was a great uh eric weiss every nfl hit has got to be like a car crash this one just hit the right spot i remember interviewing john wellborn i think maybe who went to the pro bowl i don't know 11 times or something he was

a lineman and he said basically uh there would be 10 or 11 hits i think a night where he would get hit so hard that he wanted to throw up which is uh nuts i can't even imagine that uh brandon waddell from a tackling standpoint DeMar tried to catch him instead of driving through, which increases the impact. Yeah. His charity GoFundMe is like at 3.7 million, and his goal was 2,500. Pull that up. I want to see that.

Fact check that shit. Let's start a GoFundMe for Brian. Brian, go outside and jump in front of a car. We'll split the money. actually gotta get going but can you will you send me uh spencer's number please yeah absolutely brian thanks for being on and uh yeah you're more than welcome to come on today uh with daniel brandon i would love to see you yeah just um send me the link and when i get back from the gym i probably will all right brother see you guys peace spencer uh well uh caleb is going to pull up this go fund me you guys can donate to it do the right thing um

it looks like it might just be for his toy drive for kids oh okay not for him that's a little better he could he could peel up peel off a meal a meal off there no one's going to be upset probably oh that'll help the hey and the thing is this i i have to guess that um i would hope the buffalo bills there's got they got to foot that bill right oh yeah i'm pretty sure that all of their health care is through the team itself. So whenever, um, like you work for a collegiate team, like division one or an appellate professional team,

they staff their own medical people. So like you have your own surgeon, you have your own, um, like athletic trainers on the field, you have everything. So, um,

I would like to follow up with though. The conversation is very fair to have uh regarding what it could be uh i don't i don't think it's crazy to to speculate on on more than one possibility by any means uh uoc and bills probably covered him for the 60 K bill. Um, okay. Okay.

Here we go. He originally reached the goal back in 2020 and continue the charity the last two years due to its popularity. Patrick Clark knows a lot of shit. Okay, guys. Um, Okay, guys. I have been cleaning my office and preparing for a special guest tomorrow also at 4 p.m.

I will be – my guest will be sitting over there on the couch. I'm going to have to rearrange some cameras. Should be interesting. Should be interesting. Anyway, we have Daniel Brandon on later today. I think we have Rich Froning coming on this week also. Let me check the calendar here. Tomorrow we have Zeke Armhen coming on, police officer. And then on the 5th, we're going back to the Affiliate Series with Trish.

Not our Trish, a different Trish. And then on the 6th, we have Sam Dancer in the morning, and then a couple hours later, we have Rich Froning. So it's a fun week. And then we also have our special mystery guest tomorrow at 4 p.m. I've got to tell Sousa to put that on the calendar. When do we get to let them know? I don't believe it's going to happen until I see that person show up at my house.

Fair enough. Okay. If Danielle Brandon doesn't come, I'm hacking in and pretending to be her. Okay, fair enough. That would be cool. Can you put mystery guest on the calendar? But I didn't say mystery guest in the text. I wrote the person's name.

Oh. No, rosemary's here rosemary's here every day she's probably in the house teaching the kids piano right now i am not cleaning because rosemary's visiting oh david stop it when is that that's that's tomorrow at 4 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. Tomorrow, 4 p.m. The thing is, is I have to reorganize all my shit because this guest is coming over. And this guest insists on doing it in person. And I don't want to move all my shit around and then they not show up. Corey Leonard, 1968, called. They want their couch back asshole

no no no no no i'm not telling you what letter it starts with uh if if greg glassman doesn't show up put a dumbbell on the couch and interview it all right guys i will see you uh in a few hours thank you caleb thank you and uh buh-bye