The Sevan Podcast - #837 - Who is Brian Friend?

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

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I woke up sick this morning. Well, I don't know, sick's a little too strong. Not feeling your best? Well well i feel my best but just my well i don't know how to explain i don't know how to explain it it's not going to stop normally well some normally when people say that they're sick it's like they're going to change something that they do throughout the day i just woke up with like my i shouldn't even call it sick i woke up and my my nose felt stuffy and my throat is sore. Dude, it's been raining here, I'm not joking, for a month.

That sucks. It's just a crazy, crazy downpour. And we have a big storm coming in for the next three days. And it's warmer than usual here too. It's crazy. Last night it didn't even... Is it humid? Yeah, humid.

It's crazy. Not like humid like the east coast but like last night my house didn't drop below 68 degrees which is crazy for a winter night didn't have the heat on or anything stevan stop being a bitch i i hear you dude you never get sick i know that's what i mean i'm not sick but like i i'm i have symptoms i'm playing sick how's that i'm playing sick my body's playing sick i don't know what's going on when you wake up and you're not feeling great is there something that you do differently do you take extra vitamin c do you like to uh go walk in the grass anything like that i like to go to uh um uh my analytics for my podcast and see how fucking it's just killing it and i'm like yeah i feel better i don't ever wake up not feeling i can't remember ever waking up where like i mean i'm always still so excited

to get up no maybe maybe gargle a warm water but i do that once every five years i don't know do you like waking up in the morning Maybe gargle warm water, but I do that once every five years. I don't know. Do you like waking up in the morning? I mean, it's better than not waking up. Yeah. I love fucking waking up. I'm so excited every time I wake up. I'm like, oh, fuck, this is dope.

But I have very different days. Some days I have to get up early. And that's a different kind of feeling than when I can be a little bit more relaxed about it. The worst part of my life, this is probably I shouldn't share this. The worst part of my life, the part that's consistently bad in my life is when I look at a clock and i know that i should be

asleep but i'm awake that's the only that you know what i mean so it's like i know i'm gonna be up at six and i look at the clock and it's fucking 11 45 p.m i get a little feeling of oh fuck i fucked that up that's the worst shit that happens to me god i hope my everything else in my life is great it just gets better from there yeah i i don't like that feeling on the days that i have to that i wake up at 4 30 yeah i like if i unintentionally wake up at like 245 or something like that oh and then i'm like, oh man, I really hope I fall back asleep quickly. And if I don't, then that, that is when I have that feeling. I don't look at the clock if I get up because I, I, what's even worse than that dude is, is if you have to get up at four 30 and you

wake up and it's like four Oh five, now you're stuck in some weird, no man's land. A four Oh five is I'm like, ah, it's close enough. I'm just, I would usually just get up if it's two 45. I'm like, I'm not getting up an hour and 45 minutes early, but sometimes I can't fall back asleep. And those end up being tough days. I'm a napper too. I napped,

you know? Uh, yeah. On the, uh, when I, there's some days that I nap, usually a Wednesday and Thursday. The other day that they went to the, um,

vindicate store and they couldn't find a CEO shirts. So let me tell you something. This is the cool thing about the seven podcast. Just go over here to this website as rx the seven podcast collection dude all of this shit is so fucking nice i live in this gear i live in those sweatshirts i live in those shirts i wish there was a zip up see i live in uh influence over there the thing is that they have they have to make these are made to order if i make the zip ups i guess they have to make them in advance i don't have that that's interesting dusty rose unisex i don't have that pink one either

maybe they were assuming some things about you whoever sends you this stuff yeah they shouldn't look at this purple one is sick this is the best shirt if you don't own this shirt go get this shirt right now the limited edition fuck off that's the only one i have actually yeah that's the best one that's not limited edition get as many as you want that's stupid that it says that i feel like you should be sending me more more ceos attire i would love to yeah add it into my contract what what's what size are you a large will you do i will you send me your address right now i'll send a text right now to the guy at life is rx but again tell him brian wants one random piece of apparel every month on the 17th of the month that would would be, that's a fucking great idea.

Look at Elise. Starting with the pink one. Elise, Elisa. How do I have more CEO shirts than Brian? I'd assume someone wears an extra small. Jeez. Colin, Colin, we're not talking about condoms. Yeah.

Oh, man. Oh, man. That's just a comment for Colin specifically. Julian Iford. I'm flying out to San Francisco, and it's downpour out here. Keep up the hard work. Yeah, crazy rain. It hasn't rained like this year like in 30 years.

Anita Moorhead. Anita Moorhead. See that? I need a more head. I need a more head. See that? That's not that real person's name, right? No, it's probably a guy.

Yeah, it sucks too because the chick in the picture is hot. We all wish it was the chick in the picture. Michael Brink in some... Michael Brink is the guy who does graphics for my instagram quite regularly from south africa oh and that's why he wears a banana hammock that's how they roll out there i have very specific standards so if anyone wants to work with me they have to wear banana hammocks yeah uh good afternoon brian and savvy well that makes sense why he says it's good afternoon. Brandon Waddell, today's a big day. It's Pi Day

and S&BJ Day. I know what that stands for. You do? Yeah. 3.14 March 14th yeah okay S and

project forward 12 hours quarterfinals yeah Savan and Brian and JR oh damn you're good

you're probably good at like when you see customized license plates reading those too yeah I'm good at any game that involves unscrambling letters how about this someone sent this to me last night

and it's weird I thought of you ready here we go now let's watch carefully this ain't the fucking rookie hour over here yeah I've seen this you have? yeah many times it's a pretty well known shot

a double skipper? yeah I mean throwing it off the water like that is difficult the second skip that he has is that like uh it's moving left the disc is moving left but it skips back to the right it's like called an anti-skip depending on the slope of the ground but that's pretty good obviously pretty impressive shot i wonder why he'd do that. You don't think he has enough arm to make it over the water? He's trying to do it. He's trying to skip it off the water. And so you think that's like an ask disc that he's willing to lose?

Maybe. That's a weak-ass hug, too. That's a weak-ass hug, too. There were no fat guys on the circuit, Brian. Not really. There are a couple that may look a little bit thicker than most of the guys, but, yeah, most of them are pretty thin and wiry. You think that's a sport? You could be heavier.

You could be a little thick around the waistline. There are a couple. Like I said, not too many. Matt Morrison, I remember when Brian Friend was the nerdy guy on Talking Elite Fitness after hitching his cart to the Armenian

stallion, Sevan. He's become a total badass. Actually, I was with Sevan before TEF. Don't ruin the story. Do not ruin the story. Phillip asked where my donation was, Brian. Elise Carridau. We're on this thread, and this morning someone on the thread said

that the Talking Elite Fitness Instagram account was down, and Tommy Marquez's Instagram account was down. Can you confirm or deny either of those rumors? I haven't tried to, but if that's the case, that's unfortunate. Because they, cause they didn't. Oh, oh, here it is. Oh no, that's not good. Wow.

Oh, that's really weird. Zero. Look, it's followed by Mike Halpin. Zero post, 28 followers, zero following. Well, obviously that's not their real account. Oh, because of the underscores? No, because their actual account has – well, it's not the account that you're – I don't know what you're looking for here. Just like their official account. Oh, you think that's like a – well, obviously – I see what you're saying. You're saying it's obviously not their account because they have over 30,000 followers or something like that.

But look at – but Mike Halpin follows them. So that's either an, an account that, that they just made or that someone else has just made. Yeah. Fuck. No posts, not following anyone. So I wouldn't,

I mean, I don't, I don't know. And if it's, um, if, if both that account and Tommy's account are down, that would be a,

um, that would be a very weird coincidence. I would assume that Tommy has access to both accounts, so it would likely mean that someone has just gotten control of his Instagram or something. Yeah, I'm looking at his. His pages are gone. His shit's gone too. That sucks.

Yeah, that does suck. I lost my Instagram account. Yeah, I had some experiences with a fraud recently as well in a different realm. It's unfortunate that that's what people are choosing to spend their time on. Can you tell me about the fraud thing? I mean, I don't really want to say too much about it, but yeah. I mean, what do you want to know? Someone fucking stole your identity.

I'm not sure about that. They unraveled your shit and stole money from you. Yes. Yeah, that fucking through banking. Yeah. Fuck, that sucks. Thanks for making my daily commute enjoyable. Allegra, do you know who that is?

No, but you're welcome, Allegra. Hey, that makes me nervous seeing someone hug a cat that close to their face. I think a lot of people do it, so you might want to get used to it. I had this friend that I went to Europe with, Brian, and his mom had a scar on her face that was massive. It was crazy. And I go, what happened? She was hugging her cat, and her fucking cat scratched her. Yeah, that's the risk, I guess. It's like hugging a bag

of knives. It's like hugging a bag of knives if you also have seizures. Right. I think it's a good point. Bag of knives that have their own mind of their own here we go fraud equals Brian got catfished by Trish

damn the comment that Daniel Garty made last night let's stick with that one we liked that one yeah what was that one that one was good my identity was stolen I didn't know about it until I tried to come back Yeah, what was that one? That one was good. Seven, my identity was stolen. I didn't know about it until I tried to come back from Mexico on a trip and got detained by customs.

It was a mess. It happened over 10 years ago. Still dealing with it. Oh, geez. That's why he uses that picture now. You think that's really him? Don't know. here we brian was this fraud recent did you get it back yes recent and no to the second question god i would be so fucking pissed

not pissed no not your favorite subject you're you're you just you just water off your back who gets more donations froning or friend it's a great question hey where were you born brian 10 minutes drive from where I'm sitting. Are you glad you were born? Yeah. You like in life? Yep. More often than not, by a lot. How old are you? 35.

So you're 35 years old and you're born in Chicago. Do you have any kids? No. Why did that take you a little while to answer it's reading comments fair and your when you were

did your parents did they stay married they got divorced when I was 14 oh shit did that fuck you up? I would say yes. Yeah. Would you prefer,

you think it's better for parents to divorce when kids are like three? I think it's a tough question. I mean, I, what I often tell people in general is that it's difficult to care for others if you don't care for yourself. And so if you find yourself in a situation where, for whatever reason, the marriage has become toxic to the point of making either partner, but especially if it's both partners,

struggling to take care of themselves, then I don't think they're really in a good position to take care of kids or to be good in their jobs or as members of society. That can just eat away at you. So I think that if you've made the commitment to be together for a lifetime, that's usually worth exploring options to try to maintain that. But I've done a lot of self-reflecting on it. And I think that both of my parents are a lot better off now than they would have been if they'd stayed together. And that, you know, and I don't necessarily think they made a mistake getting married or having kids together in the first place, but they had just moved into different directions that I don't think it would have worked. And I think if they'd have forced to

stay together, it would have been more difficult than everyone in their lives. Yeah. And that's probably like a super healthy, mature perspective. But at 14, that shit hurts, right? It's kind of like you wake up and the fairy tale's over. Well, it's just, when I say we,

I mean, me and my brother and sister, we had no idea it was coming like there was nothing about my parents lifestyle or interactions with each other that changed from our point of view we didn't see any conflict we didn't you know and so one day they just sat us down in the living room and told us that they were gonna get a divorce and that dad was moving out of the house and he left the house that day and it was very – that had a big impact on me. I felt like I'm not going to let him leave on his own, so I decided to go with him. Oh, shit.

Oh, wow. Did you cry a lot that day? I can't remember. I remember just kind of leaving the room and going up to my own room um and i think it was it feels like i think back about it feels more apathetic like that day i may not have had any emotion because i was just like dealing with it but i'm sure i did cry about it at some point um i i remember my mom working late at night and feeling bad if I went to sleep and she was still up working. She was an attorney, so she'd have all her paperwork out on the dining

room table. Was it like that? You felt bad for your dad like that? Like, fuck, homie needs it. He needs someone. Yeah. I actually have an extremely vivid memory of it. He would always wear a lot of jeans back then and always this green winter jacket. And I just remember him walking out to his car in front of the house, and I was like, yeah, I'm just not going to let him leave on his own. Garrett says marriage is overrated anyway coming from a married man it's interesting you say that and i don't marriage is just one component but after watching the chris rock uh stand-up comedy on netflix he seems like a sad and lonely man to me i like him but there's this underlying like his like he's divorced right he just got divorced and he just seems sad uh and he's you know just being alone he seems sad yeah it just seems yeah just like I have

a loneliness there's a loneliness uh piece about him I mean I think that one of the most valuable skills a human can have is to be comfortable being alone and that doesn't mean that you should always be alone but I think that if you know it same, it's kind of of the same line of thinking of what I said earlier, or started this discussion, which is, you know, if you can't take care of yourself, it's difficult. I think it's, it's a more difficult to be a value to other people. And if you can't be content on your own in silence, do nothing, you're not comfortable with yourself. And I, you know, I think that you're, you're less equipped to be of service in a variety of different realms and you know when when other people are involved i take that take this however you want

from barry mccauchner uh i don't know how you're going to process this but brian is a good dude you don't have to process that right now you can process that later if you want um you're you're i mean dude it must have meant the world to your dad that you went with them i was just picturing myself and hayley getting a divorce and if one of my kids went with me it would mean the world to me and you have siblings yeah i'm the oldest of three my sister you are you're the oldest of three wait a second whenever you talk about your brother that's a younger brother yeah i actually think he's gonna come on one of the disc golf shows with us sometime. I thought for sure he was fucking an older brother.

No, he's almost five years younger than me. Wow. Isn't that crazy? I didn't even know that about you. Oh, I wonder if that's why you're so – and you're a good older brother, right? Like you make time for him. I would say I'm probably a good older brother, right? Like you make time for him. I would say I'm probably a good older brother now. When younger, I don't know so much.

I'm disgusted when I call you and you're like, my brother's here. I can't talk or I can't do a podcast because my brother's here. I'm disgusted by it. I think, yeah, I mean, we have a good relationship. I probably don't get to see him as much as I would like to. He moved a little bit further away earlier this year. Um, but when I was younger, he was, uh, I, you know, I made a lot of mistakes that, you know, he had to look at and probably wasn't that proud of or impressed by his older brother,

but he didn't make those mistakes. So sometimes I feel like I made them for him. And then you have, did you say you have a sister too? Yeah. She's in between us. And where does she live? Near Vancouver, Canada, but she's kind of on the road right now. Is she okay?

She's actually in California. Is she okay? Yeah. How old is she? 33. So when you, oh, so she's just barely younger than you. My brother's 31. So it was just two years between each of us. Wow. So your parents were busy. That's not, that's not easy to have a kid every two years. A couple of miscarriages as well one before me and one before my brother how do you know that my mom told me yeah that's the way it happened one before you and one before you that's what happened to um there's like two there's a basic no yes yes no yes yeah we had a no yes no yes yeah yeah yeah that's did it, too. So we got two at the same time. Thank God.

Brian shows are my favorite. I hate you already. He brings so much insight into the sport for the fans. Okay, fine. You deserve every penny you can get for all your work. He doesn't get any of that. I get all of that. $4.99.

Thank you. Appreciate it, though. Any questions? Heidi blocked my my donation can she do that if you're a wrench you can funnel the money to your own account uh well you did either of your siblings go with your dad no they basically you know stuck to the split time plan that was outlined for us. And then, you know, once, you know, once my sister got like a driver's license, you know, it's a little bit more free. She just goes where she wants.

And she's I think she spent more time at my at my mom's house than my dad's. But she and my dad have always had like very specific things that they had bond over and have maintained a good relationship because of that. I want my money to go to Brian. Okay, fine. Give me more money and I'll see what I can do. Give me all your money and I'll see what I can do. No, not this question. Hold on. Here we are. RB has HQ ever formally approached Brian about a career. They have not.

Brian, are you still working for Bar Bend? I see a lot of your work on Barbell Spin. No, I'm not working for Bar Bend, and I published one article on Barbell Spin. I think a second one will be published today, but I'm not working specifically for Barbell Spin either. one will be published today but i'm not working specifically for barbell spin either so uh are this guy with the motorcycle helmet hq sucks um there uh did any reason why you go with your dad because of your feelings towards your mom like did you did you were not close to him it seems like hard to leave your mom as a 14 year old boy like that would break like that would have been hard for me i had a great great relationship with my mom prior to that as well and i think um i think if my mom had been leaving the house and walking out on her own i probably would have gone with her too like i just couldn't i just couldn't stomach the fact

of either one of them i think leaving, leaving everything behind. Right. It's interesting. God, what a fucking emotional time. Did you switch schools when you left with your dad? No. I was a freshman in high school, and my mom still lived within the same school. They moved to separate homes, and my mom still lived within the school district that we were all a part of. My dad did not.

He got remarried pretty quickly and moved to the next town over, but we could just use my mom's address and all still stay in the same school district. At 14, did you have your virginity? Yes. Michael Birchfield, Brian was a man at 14 I've proven you wrong with one stroke of a question just fucking fucked you up fucking just

defeated you but I appreciate you giving me an easy win like that now we know how you define being a man yes of course how old were you when you lost your virginity have you lost your virginity? Have you lost your virginity? Sorry, I didn't mean to make a presupposition.

How old was I? 18. Yeah, me too. Were you completely shocked? Like, wow, what's wrong with this person? This person's actually going to get naked with me? No, it was actually a terrible experience. It was?

Yeah, I was way too drunk and high, and it was bad. Was it your girlfriend? No. I had had a girlfriend that I was very serious about for the last two or three years, and honestly, I had no intentions of ever being with anyone other than her. I went away to college. She was still in high school. I was still dating her.

And I was staying faithful to her. And I did something very nice for her birthday in the middle of the year. And I think at that point, she was feeling kind of guilty. And she told me that she had been cheating on me, but not with men. Oh, that's fine. That's not even cheating and uh um so after that i got a little uh promiscuous for a few months no like like like you like to take that i mean i wasn't i wasn't in a good place in general then and that that didn't help yeah interesting you went so when you were um 15 16 17 you were with a girl but you guys didn't have sex yep yeah that's the way it was for me too why didn't you have sex

well it turns out she wasn't really into the male genitalia, but from, from, from me, it didn't matter. I actually told her that I didn't care. I would still marry her and she could hook up with the girls if she wanted to, if we were only having sex to procreate would have been okay with me because I've just liked her. I liked being around her. I liked doing things with her. And I could imagine coming home to her and having you know enjoyable evenings doing anything reading book watching tv show um i still care about her and um you know if i if or when i ever see her we always have a great time together when's the last time you saw her maybe two years ago that's that's pretty good that you kept that relationship yeah i mean she's she is one of my best friends like if i if i needed to call someone to give me the hard truth like to tell me what i

need to hear but don't want to hear i would call her wow is she married she is she's back with dudes no oh she's married to a woman. Does she have kids? They've been trying. It's not been going very well. Did you think about when she started seeing girls, did you ever think, well, fuck you, and you would start dating boys? Like, I'm going to be gay then? No. I actually suspected that about her before she was willing to admit it to herself, I think.

But, no. what were the signs uh just like i said that you know um sexually she just didn't it wasn't like disinterested it was like i don't know i just i just had feeling. I felt like that about a bunch of girls that I dated that they might be gay. But they had other qualities too. You know what I mean? Like they didn't wear makeup. They could beat me at arm wrestling. They were Division I soccer players. You know what I mean?

And I'm just like, yep, dyke. But I fucking loved hanging out. Fuck. They were dope. They're fun. I was bummed. I mean, not bummed. I was more like you kind of. Like I would loved hanging out. Fuck, they were dope. They're fun. I was bummed. I mean, not bummed. I was more like you kind of, like I would just tolerate it.

But they were fun. How old were you when you first started? You had your first drink of alcohol. I think, like I had probably family gatherings when i was young you know little bits here and there but i didn't really drink a lot um throughout high school i was very focused on school and on sports um i'm sure i had some you know a or whatever at a couple of parties when I was younger. But it was really after, it was like the middle of my senior year of high school that I started drinking a lot. And how much is a lot? Like every weekend?

It was, for me, it was never so much about the frequency. It was that when I drank, it was too oblivion, basically. So you threw up a lot drinking? Yeah, or blacked out or both or i mean it was it was never a good situation when i drank would you become violent i not no not not really violent um more just uh sick non-responsive uh cory uh leonard, Brian, your article is up on Barbell Spin. What an interesting number, 376. Hey, do you think you've thrown up 100 times from drinking?

No. No? No, a lot less. I didn't, because when I drank, it never really went that well. I didn't drink very often. I smoked a lot more pot because it didn't have the same negative effects. I didn't drink very often. I smoked a lot more pot because, uh, didn't have the same negative effects. Like I wouldn't black out. I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't wake up feeling like shit. I wouldn't be wasting the next day. I wouldn't make

irresponsible decisions. I just get tired and hungry and whatever. And what, and what about smoking weed? How old were you when you first started smoking weed? Similar. Senior year of high school. Do you smoke weed now? Yes, sometimes. No shit? I did not for a long time. But now I will on occasion. How long is a long time

did you go without it? Well, I ended up having to go to rehab. For what drug for what drug primarily marijuana but also i think abusive alcohol use how old were you when you did that 18 i turned 19 while i was there i can't believe you smoke weed i didn't even know that but i thought you were just fucking straight edge as a mofo i thought you were just like i didn't think you drank i thought like maybe since i remember hearing you like once in the last three years like i had a beer this evening

and i pictured you just carrying a beer around until it got warm and not even really drinking it i'll tell you a little bit about it so i mean i was i was for like 18 months i was high like 24 7 For like 18 months, I was high like 24-7. Like from like 18 to 20? Like from the middle of my senior year of high school. I was young. I was only – like my birthday is in August. So I was 17 and a half basically. Started smoking pot and all the way until my 19th birthday, which I was in rehab for.

I was pretty much high that entire time. Towards the end of that time – Like you woke up in the morning, took a bong rip or rolled the joint. And then when you, right before you went to bed, you were smoking, like you smoked it like cigarettes. Yeah.

I was high all day, every day. Like I didn't, when I was in school that first year in Madison, I didn't really go to any classes. I went to, I think I went to my French class because I had placed into like fifth year French and it was worth 20 credits.

And I wanted to get those credits. But outside of that, I never really went to classes. Um, I just, people just came by my dorm room all day long. And we just smoked, they'd bring me food.

I'd smoke them up next person in and out, whatever. I was, Oh, were you selling? No. Did you smoke a pipe, a joint or a bomb?

Everything. Oh, all of the above. Most people. Yeah. Most people stored their paraphernalia in my room. Yeah. And my roommate liked to roll blunts. A lot of times he would come back from the bars late at night and roll a blunt, and we would just smoke it together.

Too expensive. Too expensive. It takes way too much weed to roll a blunt. One weekend. And it's just – One weekend, two friends and me, we smoked 31-gram blunts. That's an ounce worth of blunts. Actually, it might have been in 24 hours.

Yeah, but blunts is like irresponsible. Blunts is like – especially for a young man. Blunts is like buying a car that's like you make $1,200 a month and you buy a car with a payment of $800 a month. You're just not thinking right. It's just – I don't approve of blunts. I was certainly not thinking right at that time. What college was that? Madison.

UW-Madison. Oh, shit. The next time I went to Madison was for the games in 2017, 12 years later. Wow, great. Did you start twitching and shit? Were you like – 2017, 12 years later. Wow.

Great. Did you start twitching and shit? Were you like, no, because I had had a, between then that time I had come to peace with all of it. Did you have a lot of sex in college? Well, none until I found that out about my girlfriend. And then there was only about a month before I had to drop out of school because of these problems that I've been creating for myself. So during that month I had a little sex during that month.

God, we have some great doors open. I have a feeling this interview is going to be great. Jeremy Garcia, loving Brian getting interviewed about himself. It's always about himself, Jeremy. You just have to read through the lines. Even when he's talking about scores on the leaderboard. Those numbers mean something. they reveal something about brian um uh savon is now even more infatuated with brian no than knowing that he smokes pot yes the infatuation grows my infatuation jar runneth over um uh that's why they call it uh mad-o-Wanna in Wisconsin.

Is that right? Like Madison, Maddy-o-Wanna? Have you heard that? No, but. Okay. So that girlfriend was in college. That wasn't high school. I made the assumption that it was high school. No, it just began in high school and went into my freshman year of college.

Did she go to your college with you? No, she's younger than me. Oh, okay. That's crazy. For some reason, I can't accept that she's still a lesbian. I want to say it was just a phase. I think even some women who are lesbians end up going with men anyway. I guess you could say they, they, they end up going with men anyway.

I guess you could say that about men being gay, end up going with women anyway. Uh, Sebi, are you okay with the THC being eaten and not smoked? No, it's even worse. Fuck.

Do you ever do edibles? Jeez Louise. How often every night you're a gummy guy every night. You're a five, like a five milligram or every night. No no like go to concerts or something like that do you have gummies at your house right now yeah yeah i'm concerned already this show's taking a twisted wicked turn hey does that fuck with any of your memory like your memory of your stats or any of that stuff? I don't think so.

I heard you, you made an error yesterday on the Frisbee show. I didn't correct you. Oh really? Which one? You said that the two holes both had an average of 3.5, but it was actually one had like a 3.25 and one had a 3.5, but it was negligible. Yeah.

and one had a 3.5, but it was negligible. Yeah, maybe it was a different round for a specific round versus for the entire tournament, but the point is they were close. Yes, the spirit of what you were saying was very, very accurate. Jeremy, you were always new. Fragger. I always knew. Fragger.

There was some serious depth to Mr. Friend. Hashtag good dude. Hashtag paper street coffee. So tell me about the first time you smoked weed and how it just fucking turned into fucking a year and a half of you just being stoned. How did you afford that? Well, I had, I had, um, drink. Like I said, I basically middle of my senior year of high school, I, the soccer season ended, I decided not to swim and I'd already been accepted into college.

So all of the things that were occupying my time were not, were no longer time consuming. I stopped really like caring that much about homework in school. Cause I'd already gotten to the college I wanted. I didn't have, uh, you know, the commitment of sports for the first time that I could remember. So I had, you know, it's just the classic saying, idle time is the devil's toolbox or whatever. And I had time. And so I started hanging out with friends in settings that I usually would say no to because I was focused on other things. Started drinking a little bit, had some really bad experiences with that.

And then my friends are like, dude, you should try smoking pot. And I bad experiences. You don't. Do you mean like DUIs or you mean just not? No, I just mean like like one day I just decided I was going to try to finish a bottle of Jack Daniels. OK, I tried to and I don't really remember much of the night. But then when I came back to consciousness, I was standing in my bathroom,

throwing up into the sink, which obviously is a pretty stupid place to throw up. And I could just see in the mirror, my dad was watching me over my shoulder. Oh yeah, that's tough. Yeah. And then, so you switched to marijuana. Someone's recommended that I try smoking weed instead.

And I was sure, why not and i did and um it was an enjoyable feeling i mean you know you know how it is for addicts like they always say they're chasing that first time it was an enjoyable feeling i felt you know different kind of outside my body look relaxed um and i didn't you know i didn't i don't think i was abusive with it the first time but i didn't get get sick. I woke up feeling pretty fine. And I thought, oh, this is like a cool option as opposed to drinking that doesn't come with some of the terrible repercussions, at least in the short run. Colin Lawrence, Be Friendly Financial Recovery Fund. Thank you.

I'll use that money wisely to help talk him through his issues. But basically, from the first time you started, you were hooked. You're like, yeah, this is for me. And you got at it. Yeah, I think that's kind of fair to say. How long before your first time you smoked that you bought your first bag? I don't know. A week?

A month? I don't know. A week? A month? I'm not, I don't know. Yes, probably. Yeah, that's quick. Because I always think that that's the turning point when you buy, right? Like I did meth for a month and then I was like, oh, I'm going to buy some and then I quit. I'm like, yep, that's a problem, right? Like if you want your own credit card and your own, do you remember buying your first b like if you like you go buy your own papers you know what i mean you're like oh yep that's a problem i guess i mean i don't know it just blends together it happened pretty quick you have a hiding spot in your car for your weed you have a problem

like those are like those are the signs uh brian being a former pothead explains that painting oh shit you want to take a stab at this name it's Joshua Van Schalk quick Brian is the reason I watch your podcast fuck off Joshua make sure you keep him around okay thank you I appreciate the advice

that's very insightful of you all the way from south africa well enjoy enjoy the downfall of america as it trickles over into your hood uh olsen dudes good morning gents dropping in to throw out a high five and some cash for good coffee thanks dude god that guy's so generous uh judy reed uh there goes my argument that weed kills brain cells. Brian Friend is one of the smartest people I know. Knows in quotes. And so 18 months of that, and that doesn't seem severe enough to go to rehab to me. Marijuana. Don't you need to do something like end up going to jail or so i mean by the end of that 18 month period of time i had you'd ask how i was affording it i had

basically i'd saved money my entire life up to that point anytime someone gave me birthday money any jobs that i had i just was bank account bank account bank account whatever so i had you know a couple of tens of thousands of dollars at you know 17 years old 18 years old in's bank account, bank account, bank account, whatever. So I had, you know, a couple of tens of thousands of dollars at, you know, 17 years old, 18 years old in my bank account. And I depleted that over that period of time, basically all on marijuana or the fallouts of that, you know, eating a lot of junk food and just whatever. I had dropped out of school. I had, you know, more or less lost all of my friends from the, from before that the only friends I had left were, you know, the guys that I smoked pot with. I had been, I was no longer welcome in my mom's house and I was, I was broke and desperate for

drugs basically. Um, and I had a really bad night where I got drunk instead of high because I didn't have any marijuana available. I think I had thrown my cell phone in a river that night. I drove the car into a tree in my front yard. I threw a bottle of Crown Royal at my dad, took a golf club to his car. I threw a bong inside my house over the railing full of bong water at my stepmom. This is all the same day same night yeah probably in a couple hours i had a laptop very similar to the one i have now that i snapped in half backwards uh there was some broken picture frames and i woke up with an

ultimatum uh typed out from my dad that basically said you know these are the things you have to do if you want to stay in in the house the first one was go to rehab and i just i didn't even read any more of it i crumbled up the paper got dressed walked downstairs said fuck you i don't ever want to see you again and left wow hey that that fucking reached a head quick it'd been coming to a point i mean i'd already been in and out of the hospital for like uh like the psych ward for substance abuse and suicidal ideation so it was it was getting bad no shit was the marijuana causing that the suicidal ideation i was just threatening that to get money from my dad so i could buy more pot oh no shit yeah damn dude that's

fucking that's a speedy um i wonder do you think like this um intensity that you bring to like your knowledge of crossfit or do you immerse yourself in it or uh frisbee you think that there's a a parallel like that there what the feature of go hard no matter what it is yeah yeah do you think that there's like yeah and you, I think those are probably attributes of an addictive personality. Like when I do something or I'm passionate about something that I do it pretty intensely. Teresa, thank you both for making my day better. Always nice to see Brian on this podcast. Well, thank you for including both of us. Unlike that other guy who just included Brian. Andrew Hiller with some religious sentiment. Holy fuck. Um, uh, that, that, that,

that night of violence, um, was that the first time you'd seen that side of you or had, were you capable of that? Uh, no, I would say I knew that I was capable of it. Um, uh, it's been probably the biggest, like, it still comes out sometimes. I can just snap to anger really quickly. Like, I'm not very proud of some of the things that I was yelling in the gym during 23.3, for example, because I couldn't get a strict handstand pushup. So, like, sometimes it comes out when I get, you know, like in a workout like that, like I'm in a place of intensity.

So it can, you know, you can see glimpses of it. But when I was young, like that, you know, like, you know, like before my parents got divorced, going back to when I was a child, like all the way through middle school. If I got, you know, I would sometimes lose control and have a outburst of anger. So I've had to learn to manage that. Were you a nice child? Were you a good kid? Extremely. I would say, I think I can humbly say extremely nice child.

I have some people who've told me some stories that I empathized with and cared for a severely special needs child in our grade who most of the other students were kind of afraid to be around. afraid to be around. And I always tried to go out of my way. I mean, he was violent and he also had to be removed and sent to a separate school. But prior to that, apparently I had, you know, kind of made an effort to be kind to him and relate to him that most of the other kids were not willing to do. Hey, because there's so many fucking naughty bratty kids and you weren't one of those. Did your parents ever tell you you you were joy to be around and that you brought happiness to their life i'm sure they did say things like that i mean um i would i would say that you know up definitely up until high school i was uh i think up until eighth grade i was a really really good kid i would say yeah that's it my mom told me i was the greatest fucking kid in the world and then i turned 13 and it just completely flipped the script.

Yeah. I started being a little bit more rebellious around that same age. Yeah. So, so interesting. Hormones, right? Hormones.

I think so. Yeah. But I, I think I was like throughout my life, I've always kind of been late, late developer. Like I went through, I think I feel like I went through puberty a little bit later,

filled into my body a little bit later on, which I'm actually okay with. I don't really have a study to back this up, but I feel like the people that go through puberty really young, that they probably don't have as long of a life expectancy. Everything just happens a little bit quicker. I like that. I feel like I'm still going through puberty. Um,

uh, did you, um, did you, do you feel pent up? Like there's something uptight about you, like in general, I have had that feeling at times.

I feel more, more often than not. I feel pretty relaxed now. And, and, and, um, did you feel that as a younger age, like as you, like that there was something like there was a, like a teapot that was boiling and just like ready to. Yeah. Sometimes that, that night, um, that you had that explosion, the breaking the laptops, the throwing the, the throwing the shit around.

July 6, 2006. Were you conscious? Do you remember that? I have some memories of it, yeah, but also some periods of time not remembering that night. Because you were so drunk? periods of time not remembering that night because you were so drunk yeah but i also think that at one point i was like uh so angry that i was like outside of my consciousness and it was all because and were you angry at your do you think that there's like like it feels like when i think back on it feels like i was angry because i didn't have any marijuana yeah just that so so it's not

like it wasn't just a way of acting out because you're upset your parents got a divorce or you felt like your dad abandoned you when you were three or your mom hit you or something it was literally like fuck i want fucking weed like a little kid throwing temper tantrum like i want crayons and he's just fucking melt a meltdown on aisle three. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Robbie Myers, $5. I relate to Brian's story a lot. Thank you for your boldness in sharing this. It's crazy.

Were you paying for your college or just your drugs? I actually, I'm like kind of torn on this. A part of me resents my dad for this, and a part of me is obviously grateful for him because of it. My dad worked in the stock market, an options trader since the early 80s, and he did very well in the 1980s. And when we were born, me and each of my siblings, he set up college investing funds for us immediately. So we always had funds available for that. But I have friends who have had similarly well-off parents that made them find their own way through college. And I think it created, you know, he obviously could have supported them if he wanted to, but he chose to let to kind of let them figure that out on their own. And I think it created a financial independence in them that that I was deprived of, basically, the opportunity to create for myself. deprived of basically the opportunity to create for myself. Um, and actually in, as an adult and in the process of my more recent years, one of the things I try to achieve is just a no

codependency on anyone else. And I think that the last obstacle for me is to, is, is to achieve that financially from my dad, because he's always, you know, he's always provided financially for us. So that's been actually a goal of mine recently is to try to like, make sure that I'd be okay in terms of like managing my own finances. And, you know, we still have like a bunch of investments that he's always made that I'm not that well aware of. So I've been trying to learn more about those and be prepared to manage that,

you know, if, and when he passes away. God, you're in the exact opposite spot of me. Dear mom, if you're listening to this, the hundreds of thousands of dollars that you wasted on me to put me through college and all the money you gave me that I spent on smoking marijuana every single day for five years of my life and cigarettes and alcohol i didn't do much bethamphetamine it's a short stint and and i don't think you paid for that either mom i think that girls gave me that i want to tell you that i am not like brian and i appreciate it and um uh i didn't say i don't appreciate it hold on don't interrupt me and and the fact that you still give me money to pay for my kids' piano lessons and give me money sometimes as a 50-year-old man is much appreciated. And I hope when you pass, you leave me shit tons of money.

Thank you. Thank you, Mom. I love you. Okay, where were we, Brian? Are you fucking nuts, Brian? I understand your sentiment of wanting to be independent but there's this like don't kick a gift horse in the mouth

is that something if you I like this one better if you if you don't accept the gifts God gives you God will stop giving like don't grind like don't grind an axe just chill it's your problem don't make it don't make an axe just chill it's your problem don't make it like oh fuck my life sucks money keeps coming

but I'll deal with it thank you more please okay you think that there's something missing because we'll get to this. This will be a theme. Do you think you ever hit rock bottom? I mean, that night probably was this close. I mean, because when I left there, I tried when I left my dad that morning and told him to fuck off and I never wanted to see him again, which is still like it's a very painful memory.

I can remember seeing his face yeah and very painful to think about that what that must be like for a father to have you know your child say that and then to have the strength to not break down like he let me go in that moment and gave me the opportunity he's like i think he think he was like, I have to, um, I have to let him do this. I have to let him go because I, if I keep bailing him out, then it's never going to get better. Um, but I went to, you know, and I walked around for a while and I went to some friend's house and they're like, dude, you can't stay with, with us. Like you can't stay here. And so that night I had nowhere to stay so I stayed

I just went to like a forest preserve in town and found a little place to stay and just didn't sleep at all that night and I was like I don't want to do this so I told my dad I would go to rehab but I didn't you know it only it seemed like the only option, the only out at that time. So I didn't have any intent of stopping smoking weed, but I was willing to go for a month and like try to buy myself some time and figure out what was the next steps. Did you pay for your rehab? Yeah. But it didn't go as expected. Your rehab didn't?

No. My real dad has been worthless in my my entire life now he's sitting on a two million dollar property with his 400 pound body making me wait for him to depart um uh why didn't he go as planned you came out sober well Well, I was... You got one of the counselors pregnant? No. I was probably the epitome of the worst inpatient patient you could have for about six days.

I was a nightmare, and I feel, to this day, I feel genuinely bad for the way that I treated one man there named Terry in particular. Employee? Employee. Incredibly kind and generous man. I think you have to be to work in a place like that. But I was very unfair, belligerent, rude, condescending. condescending and then and we had these you know we had a schedule and we had these uh uh evening meditation times and one night they had i think enya was playing and there was this gay guy a couple years older than me that was in the group and he decided that he wanted to do

some interpretive dancing pretending that he was a butterfly escaping from a cocoon to this enya song and i was like this is fucking bullshit like and so i just like closed my eyes i was like i need to zone out i can't pay attention to this lunatic over here and like i said i was just in a very negative you know condemning accusatory mindset and i had this vision and i you know i can't explain this uh or why the things like this happen but it's really clear i still have a super clear picture of it in my mind and i i've written as element i've written parts of a like a autobiography and uh always debated between having two titles and one of the which would be above the clouds. And it's referring to this vision that I had, which was a very clear blue sky with a very defined white layer of kind of fluffy clouds and a moving escalator that was just retreating into the horizon. It was just black moving escalator, no handrails on it. And it was just an instant. And I just had this epiphany, I guess, that like there was a path

and I could stay on it if I wanted to and it would be a good path. But there was nothing keeping me on the path. And I was more than welcome at any point to leave and go beneath the clouds. But I don't know what's down there. And I woke up the next morning and I went up to Terry and I said, I'm in, give me the first step of the program and I'm going to do it thoroughly. Wow. And I did step one, two, three, four, and five in the next three weeks. And I would say I went from being the worst patient to the probably the best patient. And the last week I was there, I was nominated by the peers to be the leader of the group. Um, and I took the, how long were you there four weeks at the inpatient? I took their, um, aftercare recommendation, which was go to a

halfway house in town. And I did that. I was supposed to stay there for four months. I only ended up staying for three. I met. How come? How come? Because I just felt like I was ready to go. Okay. And I met someone there who was, I would say is amongst the 10 most influential people in my life. I just call him Johnny A. And we had a, he came about a month after me and we spent most of the days together for those two months. And he had a massive, massive impact on what happened next in my life.

Mason Mitchell, Brian was afraid of turning gay. The valuable analysis. I appreciate that. Brian, just embrace it. Mr. Halpin, you are wrong, my friend. Brian, just embrace it. Mr. Halpin, you are wrong, my friend. You must think deeper. When I say that if you stop accepting God's gifts, he will stop giving, it's not that God will stop giving.

It's that he will give you nothing because that is what you demand. He will give you pushback because that is what you demand. You must think deeper, my friend, just a little bit, not a smidgen. I mean, not a lot, just a smidgen. Remember, that God of yours is always giving you everything you want. And if you want nothing, he'll make sure you get nothing. If you want the devil,

he'll give you the devil. Everyone, please leave your money in the, uh, what's that called at the church? That thing they pass around. The plate. The plate.

Yes. Please leave your money in the plate for my wise words. Reverend Savon has spoken. Thank you. If you need a fucking harsh memory of what god can do go check out job one time okay uh what i took a class in college that was called uh wisdom literature and it was a study of job ecclesiastes andverbs. What'd you think of Job? I probably did some reading about it and it would be cool to find those. It's a very, I agree with you.

It's a book that's worth reading and reflecting on. There's a lot, there's a lot in there as there is with all the books in the Bible. Yesterday you made a Bible reference after we got off the show, right? Yeah. The armor of God. Yeah. That was a trip. I didn't expect that coming from you. Are you getting religious? I majored in theology in college, you know, after, uh, so what happened when I was in the halfway house there is, you know, after, uh, what, so what happened when I was in the halfway house there is, you know, we're supposed to get a job and I did get a job at the mall of America, actually. Wow. I only worked at it for a couple of days. I basically just got it so that I could like check a box that I had a job and the people who were managing us would leave us alone. Um, but most of the time I either did, uh, like, um,

odd jobs that they like, cause they, you know, people in town know that there's a halfway house there. So it'd be like, you know, go and help someone with a construction project or go and help someone pack up their house or go and help someone, you know, whatever they need to help with mow their lawn. And me and Johnny would just take these jobs and go and do them. And then we would go. He was another rehab guy, Johnny. Johnny A. And then we would go down to the river by the Mississippi River and just have like prayer and meditative sessions and talk about life. And basically, I was opposed to the concept of religion growing up.

And then I was intrigued by the concept of spirituality in rehab and the more of the freedom to choose than like being a force to adhere to a specific doctrine. And so I explored that and I became really curious about what I was called a new age spirituality and began reading a lot of books and going to a lot of little like men's groups and stuff that would, you know, talk about these concepts. I became intrigued by the concept after, after like new age spirituality, I became more intrigued by the concept of the religions that have been around for a long time.

You know, I was I've always been I was kind of skeptical. I'm like, OK, well, like I know Christianity exists and it has existed for thousands of years. And there's a billion plus people that have followed this religion. But the same could be said of Islam. And then there's Buddhism that maybe it hasn't had as wide of a reach in terms of number of people. But it's been around for as long or longer. And of course, Judaism, Hinduism. And so I wanted to study those religions. So I bought the, you know, the manuscripts or the doctrines for them, started reading them. I would go into like, you know, Buddhist groups and do walking meditations or sitting meditations.

I have prayed with Muslims. I've done like, you know, rain dances with Native Americans. I wanted to experience as much as I could. And sometimes people were offended and they're like, no, you can't, you can't take communion at the Catholic church because this and that. And I would be respectful of that. But if they let me do it, I would do it because I wanted to experience what that was like. And, uh, and then I, I ended up going, I couldn't stay here in the Midwest. I had too many triggers or bad memories. I, when I got back from rehab, I met up with my buddies that I used to smoke pot with and I smoked pot again and I got so high. I could not believe it. I mean, I used to spend hours ripping massive bonds and never would feel like that. And I took

one hit out of a little pipe and I was like high for 12 hours. And I thought I'd like let the world down. And it was, I needed to do that to have the like perspective that like, that's the high I was always chasing, but I could never get because I was just like perpetually high. And I realized I was like living in a, basically an altered state of mind continuously. And that was kind of like scary and weird to me. That was the last time that I smoked pot for like eight years. And I stayed sober from alcohol for about five years. But there were specific reasons why I did both again. Anyway, so I moved to Texas and enrolled. I went to a Christian school there intentionally. I put off studying Christianity until last because it was the most accessible. And then I decided, um, I actually enrolled as

a business major, but I was, I took a new, new Testament course. And I was like, yeah, I think this is, I want to learn more about this. So I switched my major. Why Texas, Brian? My best friend was living there, going to UT. And he was a freshman at the time. He's a year younger than me. He was going to be moving out. And I just called him up and I was like, Hey man, I got to get out of here. What do you think if I, if we like live together next year? He's like, we're looking at places right now with friend of his. So I went down to visit them. And your dad was cool with that. I'm assuming

your dad paid for your college and paid for your housing? He did. Okay. He was happy with your recovery? I think very grateful, yeah. Okay. So I moved down there and decided to study Christian. Well, I changed my major to a double major in history and theology. I just felt like they complemented each other very well it was a small school and there were a couple of professors in both the theology and history department that i really liked and i think doing the

tandem together was very valuable from uh for me um so i took a lot of weird kids in that major. Were there a lot of like kids searching in that major? A lot of searchers. Most of the people who are majoring in theology just wanted to be, you know, what do they call DCE director of Christian education. Okay. So I was,

you know, more or less in classes with a lot of people that wanted to become pastors or youth pastors. But you were searching. Yeah. And so I'll give you an example. They already knew and you were open. Maybe. You put new in quotes.

They didn't know shit. Yeah. This will kind of summarize this for you. So I, I had a class called Isaiah where we studied the book of Isaiah and then there was a term paper due and I turned it in just like everyone else. And you know, the professor was handing out the papers at the end of a class and he called

everyone to come up, get their paper. And he didn't call my name. And I was like, okay. So I went up there after class and I said, professor, no student called my name and he wears spectacles. And he's like, ah, Brian. Yes. Well, you did turn in a paper, but it was not the assignment that I assigned.

And I said, yeah, I know. I kind of took my own interpretation there. He goes, however, it was the most well-written paper in the class. I think a B is a suitable compromise. And he walked out of the room and left my paper on the desk. And what did you write on? It wasn't that I just, he gave specific parameters. You must use these research documents. You must have this format.

You must do this. And I was, I didn't want to conform. I felt like I could, I could, uh, I could offer something more than what he was confining us to. So I just took a chance and did that. And I say, I took a chance because I had a perfect GPA at that point. It was my last year of school. And I was like risking that maybe, you know, that perfect GPA. But, um, at that point to me, it, it didn't, I, I, I w I was passionate about what I was writing about, and I didn't think I could do it within the confines he was giving, so I just did my own interpretation of the assignment. Stand up.

But he mentions. What's the name of the show? Drink companions. Drink champs. Drink champs in the show. I thought that was pretty cool. Nicole. I love meeting Brian in October.

At MFC. What's that? Masters Fitness Collective. I love meeting Brian in October at the Masters's fitness collective. He was so kind. Seve, I listen every day. I can't always catch the whole love show. I can't always catch the whole love show.

I think of it as a love show too. Thank you for sharing your stories, Mr. Friend. Um, like, uh, Matt Burns,

I can't see Brian taking a giant bong grips. When you took bong grips, was it just a single chamber glass bong, or were you a plastic bong guy or multiple chambers? One of my buddies in school had a bong that had five water chambers, and he called it Chris Chambers because that was an NFL player at the time who used to play his college football at Wisconsin. Yeah, five chambers is nice't i couldn't light it myself

yeah it's too far away you or you had to have one of those like barbecue lighters yeah but then you couldn't pull the slide out good good because you were balancing the bong great point but very uh great details i tried to punch holes in you i was about to say you've never smoked out of a five chamber bong and you schooled me. Well, I saw the clip. Okay, back to Brian. Okay. So you go to Texas.

You're down there. You've gone through your sobriety. What's your mom saying during all this? That actually is a fascinating question. your mom saying during all this? That's actually is a fascinating question. So when I count, when I, first of all, the only piece of the 12 step process that I was resistant to was doing the work with regards to her. Um, and the sponsors I had were constantly pushing that. And I, I was resistant to it and I was work meaning like the 12 steps or something like making amends with your mom or whatever you're supposed to do. You know, say- The work, meaning like the 12 steps or something, like making amends with your mom or whatever

you're supposed to do. Yeah. People tell me things like, you're never going to have a healthy relationship with a woman if you don't resolve the relationship with your mother. I don't know. I'm sorry if people want to believe that. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. I'm not sure, but I don't like declarative statements in general. So anyway, I came back from rehab and I told my mom about like some of the stuff that I'd encountered there and the spiritual books that I'd been reading. And she was very interested in them. I think it was partially that she was searching for something in her own life and partially that she was looking for a way to reconnect with me

because we'd had a pretty rough relationship since, since they got divorced. Did you resent her for it? Is that why? Yeah, I think I always blamed her for it. I don't think that that was necessarily fair to do, but you know, for whatever reason I did and I had, you know, I've had to reconcile with that. So I gave her a book. I think the first book I gave her,

it was either the Celestine Prophecy or something by Wayne Dwyer or something along, or maybe the Peaceful Warrior, one of those books. You gave a book like that to her? Mm-hmm. And she read it. And then she started having some interest in it. I remember that she got really serious about Eckhart Tolle. She would listen to him all the time while she was walking her dog. And she, like me, grew up in the north suburbs of Chicago and had really never left. And when my brother finished high school, she moved down to the city of Chicago, which was a big step

for her, even though it's only, you know, a few miles down the road. And that was like the crack of cracking the door open. And then she got an opportunity through, she continued spiritual pursuits of her own. She had an opportunity to move to Vancouver, Canada for professional pursuit there, which she did take that chance. And she moved there with her dog. My sister followed her there and my sister still lives there. But my mom just continued further and further down the path of spiritual pursuit. Because of that one book, you got her. Yeah. And then eventually she left Vancouver because she could not get permanent residency there, which my sister was able to get. And she was feeling drawn to Hawaii. So she bought a one-way plane ticket and booked a two-week Airbnb in Hawaii, and she has not left. She met a woman there who now they live together and work together, and they are doing some pretty good work in the spiritual realm. Are they intimate together?

I don't think so. They have separate bedrooms, separate bathrooms. It's a nice place. They live in there. I went and visited them once, and I never got the sense that there was anything intimate between them. I think if you asked either of them, that they would say that they are bound and committed to Christ at this point, she would probably say she's a born-again Christian, which is interesting because her mother also was a born-again Christian in the early 2000s. But when that happened, my mom and her mom had a very, very tense and bad relationship surrounding that.

And now they're like best friends because of it. Your grandmother's still alive? Until about eight months ago, all four of my grandparents were alive, but both my dad's parents passed away this past year. Both my mom's parents are still alive. Yeah. How did they pass away? Just natural causes.

It was, it was over long overdue for both of them. My dad's mom from a mental, just was completely gone mentally, dementia, whatever, and very stressful on the family. And my dad's dad, I mean, I thought he was going to die in 2011. And I can't believe he lived as long as he did. His life was extremely, extremely low quality, couldn't care for himself in any way. So I think it was, I wasn't sad about either of them because it was a, I felt like it was a relief for them and for everyone who cares for them. What's the longest you've gone without talking to your mom? Years. Years.

Yeah. And I don't talk to her that often now, but every time we do talk, it's usually for a couple, two to three hours, but maybe it's only once or twice a year. And did your sister go to Hawaii too? No, my sister and my mom are not. Their spiritual paths have gone in different ways. I don't know how well they get along right now. She's, like I said, still living primarily in Vancouver.

God, what a different world, Vancouver, Canada. Vancouver, Canada? Yeah, I guess even Vancouver, Washington. Are you talking about Vancouver, Canada, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, what a different world, Vancouver. Did your mom smoke weed? I don't think so.

Like less than five times in her life, I would say. Right, okay, right. So she doesn't smoke weed. And so this book um these books somehow caught her do you know and so she went from sire sort of eckhart tolle and the celestine prophecy to christianity were you were you in her life when she made that jump no i mean she went down a long a long train it's been so that was 2006 summer and you know it's been you know 17 years years of spiritual pursuit.

She's explored many different things. They both changed their names for spiritual reasons of their own. Do they still have those names? Yeah. Like the way Ronnie Teasdale changed his name. He's now Raw, like that. I guess so. I mean, my mom legally changed her name on all investments, bank accounts, passports, social security number. It was like a five-year process. And is it some name that sounds like that? Is it some sort of spiritual name?

No. Ciara. Oh. And is your brother close with her no i mean do you have a beef with her no but i have to but when i talk to her i'll tell i'll let her do it one time and then i tell her okay mom i understand that you think the rapture is coming soon please can we talk about anything else oh interesting interesting what what's the rapture that coming soon, please, can we talk about anything else? Oh, interesting. Interesting. What's the rapture? That's the end of days. Like the, the earth, does the earth catch on fire in that? She just, uh, yeah, it does. That that's actually what happens. She just, you know, she thinks that an imminent time is coming spiritually and she

wants her kids to be on the right side of it. So she pushes for it when she gets a chance to talk to us. But I think that it's pushing us more away. I don't think it's actually doing, especially, especially my brother. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any desire to spend time with her i'm not opposed to it i what like i said i did visit her one time i was there for three weeks and it was extremely traumatic experience come by the end of it when i came back i wrote about a 30 page short story that i titled

maui the demigod experience oh wow and wow. Just for yourself, you wrote it? Yeah, it was very cathartic. I just needed to get that out. And I have not gone back since. I would see her, but I think I'm more well-equipped to go see them now. So I would consider going back. But for a long time, I was not interested. time I was not interested. There's something I want to say in there about spending quality time with people. I wonder what it's going to be like to have older kids. You think you're going to have

kids? I don't know. Do your mom and your dad talk dad talk not really and you're close to your dad yeah uh probably as least little at least close to him as i've ever been in terms of frequency but yes i yeah very close to him um you do shit with your dad like Like sometimes I'll talk to you and you're like, I'm like, what are you doing? You're like, I'm at a basketball game with my dad. I'm like,

what? Like you do shit with your dad. Well, he's not in town often. You know, he lives in Florida majority of the time, but when he's here, he usually,

you know, he'll come to the gym once a week for a class that I coach. He's very active in general. And he's been open to doing a different style of training than he would usually do you know um and uh yeah i like hanging out with him i like spending time with him but i did you know like i mentioned earlier with the financial and it was really i think also emotional dependency on him he's the one person that i have always thought, like, if he dies that I would really struggle with and I, and I want to get past that. So I want to, you know, obviously appreciate the time I have with him and enjoy it. But I also wants to be confident knowing that when

he, when he passes away, that I'll be all right. If you want a quick fix, have kids. I thought I would struggle. That's a bandaid. Yeah, definitely. But I'm just telling you, it's a good bandaid. I thought I used to trip on that, too. What am I going to do if my mom dies? And then I had kids and I'm like, well, whatever. It's change, change, change, change, changes everything.

Kind of. But brings everything back to normal too. Brian, so you're in Texas and you played soccer down there for that team? Yeah, when I went to visit my friend, we were looking for places to stay. We were driving around the city and I saw a sign for Concordia University. And I was like, huh? I didn't have any plan going to Texas. I was like, I just need to get out of here. My best friend lives there. It's a different place. I'm going to take a risk and go. I saw the school. I called the school that same day. I asked if I could come

for a visit before I left town. They said, sure. I went the next day, met with the counselor, whoever showed me around the university. I was going, walking in the parking lot. I saw a guy who had a Concordia soccer shirt on. He was an adult. And I said, you don't happen to be the soccer coach, do you? And he said, yeah, actually I am. And I asked what the policy was for like walk-ons. And he's like, tryouts are August 1st, anyone's welcome. So I was motivated. So I went home, started, got a ball out, started playing again for the first time in two years or so. Got in a little Mexican league with some of my buddies who were playing college soccer at the time. I started training, went to the tryouts,

made the team. I played for four years there. I was a captain for two years. I made the all academic team, first team once or twice. I made the all conference team once. Holy shit, so you were good. I was pretty good, but I was also very focused. It was like a return to what my youth was like, where I was very focused on school, very focused on soccer. what my youth was like where I was very focused on school,

very focused on soccer. And just, you know, wanted to, you know, it's this pattern that you see, like when I do something, I try to do it really well. What a crazy skill.

You didn't play soccer for two years and then you went to college and you were able to dust off the ball and dust off your footwork and get back out there and make it and make it on the collegiate team. That's crazy. Yeah. The moral to that story, people, is give your kids real skills that they can keep their whole life, not shit like soccer.

Like playing an instrument. Holy shit, that's fucking amazing. What a great story. Phillip Kelly, $4.99. Second attempt for Brian to take Howdy out on a date. A Big Mac, french fries, and a banana.

That banana might be symbolic. Clydesdale Media, $10. Nobody more genuine and supportive than Brian. I owe him a lot. Yeah, Scott did say that when he came on, that when he left Morning Chalk Up – I'm paraphrasing, but that while other people there were maybe less than kind to him when he departed, that you were very supportive. Yeah, I like Scott a lot. So you're at college. You play soccer. You make the – you end up becoming – You make the all-academic team. That sounds like, I don't know if that's an act.

That means you're just good at school, but maybe you're not the best student on the team. It's one of the top 11 GPAs in the conference, I think. Okay. I'm speechless. I love you, Brian. Wow. Oh, wow. And then you were captain of the team.

Two or three years, yeah. So you're a good role model for the other people on the team. That's huge. Yeah, and you know what was actually really cool because I was sober that entire time. And they were, you know, in season most of the guys also refrained from any substances. But out of season they would party quite a bit and they would always invite me. And if anyone at the party ever, like, said anything negative to me or put pressure on me to drink immediately, half a dozen guys would be like, fuck you, leave him alone or you can get out of the party. Like they had my back and were fully supportive of me too. It was really cool.

Did they know your journey? Yeah. Yeah. I told them and you know, it was a small school and, uh, you know, I had obviously some athletic presence, but I also was involved with the Christian community of the school. And it was very much divided. Like half of the kids were there to play sports in college. Cause it was the only school I could get into to play sports. And then the others were there, you know, pursuing study of Christianity.

But the guy who is like, you know, he was like the leader of the Bible kids at the time. I can't remember what it was called. They ran a program on Thursday nights. It was called 908 and it met at 908 PM in the church there on the school. And the reason it's called 908 was from Mark for chapter nine, verse eight. And it says like, I don't know, the disciples walked up onto the hill and there was a shining light that was so bright and they could see nothing but Jesus. So it was just supposed to be like a time of focus on Jesus, I guess. And they would have the student band play.

And someone, usually someone would give a speech about something, one of the students. And they asked me if I would share my story there one year, which I did. And it was actually, it was actually, honestly, it was one of the more powerful nights that I have a tangible memory of. We were there for a long time. A lot of people stayed afterwards to talk to me. And I think that it was quite impactful on a lot of the soccer players and also just people in the school.

Did you vibrate? Maybe. It was a high for sure. Do you know what I'm talking about when I say, did you vibrate? Yeah. It's like a, like levitate, feel weightless, like have an aura. I don't know. You never had that vibrate. It's, it's, it's like a panic attack, but it's not bad. You just start vibrating. I'm not sure um uh yeah yeah that's the way i thought it too like the all the conference the like the best gpa in the in the conference it's like the spirit of the games well i did get that's

a separate award for that it was like the look mason this fucking box you've opened yes go ahead brian please there was an award. I can't remember what it was called, but the coaches voted on it. I think my third year playing, every coach in the conference, other than my own, voted for me for that award. Were you older than the other kids? Yeah, like two years older. What? Tell me. what tell me they gave there was there was one year that these four i was i think it was also

my third year playing that these four freshmen joined the team and they were like like good friends and they gave all the all of the kids or all the players on the team nicknames and in part my nickname was because i was older hairier and, and wiser than the rest. And what was your nickname? It was just Oso, which is Spanish for bear. There were multiple reasons for the nickname. They were quite clever. There's a Dave Matthews song called Oh, and one of the lines in it says, I love you, oh, so well.

And anyway, so they attributed many, many reasons for their nicknames. How many Dave Matthew matthews conferences have you conferences 42 that is nuts dude you've been to 42 dave matthews concerts at some point are you like hey something's wrong with me i'm i have like an obsessive like i need to chill you're not you're not like 42 is too many my I do too much CrossFit this Frisbee things out of control and I need to chill on like 42 dude how much is a ticket to go to Dave Matthews concert for a long time I was part of the warehouse club. So it was like some online supporters, whatever you pay,

I don't know, 30, 40 bucks a year. You get a couple of things and you get early access to the tickets. So you could get them for a hundred dollars. And you like as close as you want, basically. And do you normally pay for someone else to go with you?

Do you normally invite like a check or something? Most of the concerts I went to were my brother and two of our friends. Your brother has kids? No. Do you have any nephews or nieces? No. Is your brother married? No. For some reason I thought

you were an uncle. Nope. Those kids are his collegiate doubles partners kids. In tennis? Yeah. Is your brother still in college? No. He coaches a college tennis team though.

Oh, that's what it is. That's what it is. You know what's interesting too is you kind of remind me of my kid's tennis coach. Definitely not as good as tennis, but. Tennis is a weird, the coaches at the high level are weird dudes. Okay. Excuse me. Is Savon having a stroke?

Did I do anything? Did I do something like that? Tell me if I ever do. Did my words get all jumbled up? Why is this guy saying I had a stroke? You're making me nervous. No? Ryan, did you see any signs of me having a stroke?

I did not. Strong uncle vibes. Thank you, Trish. So you're in Texas, and what happens after you graduate from when your soccer career is up there and you finish school there? What happens next? Where do you go from there? Do you end up getting a day job? Yeah, I had no plan.

Did I just call Brian weird? If I didn't, I meant to. If I didn't, I meant to. Go on. I have this pattern in my life where I never plan for the next thing very well. So I was so immersed in what I was doing in college that I didn't think about what I was going to do after college. And no one was really pushing me towards that. So literally one day I just graduated college and then I had nothing to do.

And I was like, oh, shit, like I have to find something to do. And I got a job at a UPS store. I had previously worked at a UPS store in Chicago area many years before when I was here for a small period of time after rehab. I was in transition to going to Texas. I was here for a little while. So I had some experience there. I got a job at a UPS store in the west part of Austin. And after a short amount of time working there, one of the P.O. Box holders asked if he could take me out for lunch. And so I went out to lunch with this guy. This guy is also going to end up being one of the most influential people in my life,

even though I had a short relationship with him. And he hired me. This story is a little strange already, by the way. I know. I intentionally put that little gay vibe to it so that you could, you know, thank you. Thank you. You're a good dude. I love a good gay vibe. God, you're fucking brilliant.

Thank you. I just totally was getting all gayed up. I love it. We went out to lunch and he started reaching under the table. Is that the case? Anyway. No, he basically said he was impressed but wait but let's slow this down a little bit what kind of box did he have what how big was his box one of the biggest he did okay the kind that you can put packages in yeah but he had a lot of packages coming regularly

and some of them did not fit in the box. Okay. All right. He offered me a job as his personal assistant for a small company that he owned. And it was really, financially, it was a really, really good offer, especially relative to what I was making at the UPS store. And so I just took a chance and I was like, sure, I'll do it. So I put in my two weeks at UPS store, I started working for him and I were only worked for him for four months and it was on par with the two months that I had at the halfway house with Johnny A of like the most information in a small amount of time that I was able to obtain or retain about topics that I, that were similar, but much more illuminating. And actually last night after we got off there,

when you were talking about the polio vaccine, this is the, the guy that, that came to mind for me. He owns two companies. One of them is called the healthy protocol. And the other was called escape the USA. Now.com.

Oh shit. Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Hold on. Hold on. Escape. Escape. The what?

Escape the USA Now. I don't know if the I haven't checked in a long time. I don't know if his business is still operating or if that website is still up. It wants me to give a password to get into that website. Yeah. So it's a private blog where he basically assesses and ranks countries around the world and provides insights about how to become an expat in the countries that are going to be. Does his first name start with a B and his last name start with an S? Okay. that are going to be does his first name start with a b and his last name start with an s okay um are going to be most favorable places to live uh if you want to leave the united states oh so this is this guy's on the same uh kind of page as your mom rapture kind of rapture

to some extent yeah um so he hired me to work for the healthy protocol and then i ended up writing for some of his escape the usa stuff because he put me to the test he's he had he said okay well this is the next blog i'm planning on writing i want you to write it so i did and then he he wrote it also and he copies, one, my copy and his copy to his wife. And he asked which one he wrote. And she picked mine. Wow. So he said, because you can, you can write. And in my voice so well, I'll let you write for that website too. Is that, is that website still around? I can't find it. Which one? The healthy protocol. I don't know.

There was, I, but I did have a great domain name, by the way the healthy protocol i don't know there was i but i did have a great domain name by the way healthy protocol i mean he's had that business since the early 80s in some capacity or another but he keeps getting in in trouble with the government because he's basically providing a cure for the diseases that the government is trying to make money off of okay okay so now you can see the parallel between the polio he's selling apricot seeds to cure is that the government is trying to make money off of. Okay. Okay. So now you can see the parallel between the polio vaccine. He's selling apricot seeds to cure cancer and you can't do that. You can't make that claim. Something along those lines. The primary product that he was selling when I was working for him,

the main ingredient in it was IGF-1, which is basically deer antler velvet regenerative substance process you know how deer antlers work okay i feel like i've heard uh hillar talk about this is this shit in steroids uh kind of i mean nfl players have used it that i mean, I don't know much about it anymore. But basically, the deer antlers fall off every year, and then they regrow. Oh, is it growth hormone? Kind of. Okay.

If you get the deer antler, as soon as they fall off, you can extract IGF-1 at a high concentration rate. And then there's a process that you can, whatever. So basically it's meant to make your cells regenerate faster. But the protocol is much more than just taking IGF-1. It involves a lifestyle, diet, sleep, a specific type of exercise. The ancestral tenets, the ancestral tenets. Yeah. A specific type of exercise that stimulates lymphatic movement, grounding, you know. Walking around barefoot, is that grounding? Yeah. And you can take it as far as you want.

Like, you know, he's very, like, for example, the quality of water that you drink is very important to him. And he's done a lot of studying of the centenarian civilizations and what but one thing that they have in common is the quality of the water they drink is it's basically like glacial water that's just tumbled through rocks and then they get the natural water and so you know there's something did he drink rainwater he bought me a water ionizer at the time so it was supposed to replicate the natural process of glacier water filtering through natural rocks and and having like the most restorative or the most pure water i guess sounds like a grifter what's a grifter like a charlatan a hustler yeah and it's definitely

one of those things where person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling. My podcast is – I should call my podcast that, The Grifter. Just swindling. Go ahead. Okay, so you worked with him. How was that? Why only four months? Pretty intense.

Pretty intense story there. I became very, very much entwined with his life. So, you know, like in addition to working for the company, I would drive. Does he ever want to have a threesome with you and his wife? No. Okay. Just check it. I just want to like reach for the stars for a second. Okay. Go ahead. You know, like I would drive his kids around. I would take care of his house when he was out of town. And then eventually I became like a co-signer on some of the business bank accounts. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. One day I walked into his office and he was crying. And I was like, what's, you know, what's going on? And he's like, basically the guy who provides us with IGF-1 is unhappy with the business deal. And he has a second business, which is a murder-for-hire business, and he's in town. Whoa. Whoa. He has a second.

The guy that you get the deer antler juice from has a second business, and his second business is smoking people, putting people to sleep. And was he just the boss or was he the actual – was he also the so one one man show god i had a a dude was upset at your boss who also runs a business that kills people holy shit did you were you like oh he lost his mind he's crazy this can't be true or did you suspect well I had a friend who was very high up and involved in the private sector of CIA, I guess. Something along those lines. Three-letter agency. And I called him and he knew who the guy was. And he's like, no, this is serious.

And he told me personally exactly what i needed to do is is this other guy still alive your former boss he is but you have no idea what maybe he could have blamed on you since your name started going on some of the business. When you told your dad – have you told your dad this story? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Savon needs his notes for wiping his ass.

This show has gone off. I don't know what that means, but, um, okay. When, when I want to go back and say, when, when he started having you like put your name on some of his businesses, that really intertwines you.

So if there was someone who was upset at him, they might also be upset at you. Did you think of that? Yeah. And I was supposed to drive him and his family to the airport the next day. And they were going to be going to Europe for a month. To get away from this guy? No, it was a pre-planned trip anyway that he'd been planning for a while.

But that day was bad. We were barricaded in the office. The police were on alert. I had phone calls with the FBI because he refused to handle them. And in the meantime, I reached out to my friend and asked him what he suggested doing. And in the meantime, I reached out to my friend and asked him what he suggested doing. And when I had the opportunity to do it, I followed instructions specifically. And 10 days later, I was living in the Dominican Republic. No shit. Yeah.

It was that serious? Yes. So he stole money from a bad person. They resolved that financial dispute eventually. They did? Mm-hmm. So did you go back to work there? No.

Because of the things that I did that day, that guy considers me to be dead. He considers me to be a non-entity and to have, he's just completely blocked me from existence. So he wanted you to stay by his side through the potential death thing. And you're like, hey, I'm out of here. Yeah, I mean, I was very, what my friend advised me to do was just to leave the state in a very intentional way and to call my boss and speak extremely clearly to him about the fact that I wanted nothing to do with him personally or professionally anymore. And that, cause he knew my phone was tapped at this time and that that would be enough to,

for this guy to realize that I was removing myself from that situation and leave me alone. The, the, the guy who the antler guy who also had the side business had tapped your phone and your fbi friend guy knew he had tapped his phone your phone holy how many years ago is this um i think it's spring of 2011 so have you ever told this story before not in this public of a platform um do you feel like you have good distance from it now yeah but i'm like yeah i thought about this last night if I would tell you this story or not, and I decided that I would.

But you never did anything to that guy for that guy wanting to kill you either. Like you're like, you're not like, fuck, did I move? Did I take three hundred million dollars from someone's bank account? Did I fuck his daughter like you? You can't even can you think of anything that you might have done to upset this guy other than being affiliated with your your boss no right you never felt like you were doing anything illegal no how do you know that the hitman and or the antler guy and your boss reconciled their differences?

Because of a friend of mine who also knows my former boss. You weren't the only two people at the company? No. Was his wife attractive? Not to me. Gotcha. you weren't attracted to her uh it does the guy own an orange theory now he owns the entire company you're joking right okay um and that was. I like that you weren't quite sure. Brian, you worked at a UPS. A guy there who had a box there saw the way you worked.

He saw something about the way you moved, the way you took care of business, the way you interacted with the clients. He saw you. He hires you to work at his two companies. You're there for four months. And one day, your boss is crying. And you're like for four months and one day your boss is crying and you're like what's up and you're like the guy that we're doing business we're buying our product from is not happy with me and he's in town and he also has a side business that's snuffing people out did you know when you worked there the whole time that the guy that you were

getting the antler juice from was also a murderer, like killed people? No. Did you ever meet that guy in real life? No. Is he on Instagram? No idea. Do you know his name? I do not. You don't know his fucking name?

I did then, but I don't know it now. You've erased it from your brain? Took a giant bong rip and flushed it away? I don't know his name. Do you know the person you've had the best sex with your entire life? Yeah. You do? Do you know their name?

Yes. Do you still have access to them? To that sex but possibly you keep you you don't but you want to keep the dream alive sure man dude i don't know what i would do then. So tell me, so you moved to Dominican or you actually moved to the Dominican Republic. I would not feel safer there. I don't think that's good advice. Why the fuck would you feel safer there?

I would think that he could just fucking pay someone eighty five dollars to kill you there. It's actually interesting. Republican Republic showed up in a Fast and the Furious movie as a safe haven or a refuge for the main characters when they were trying to hide at one point from the federal agencies. And I was freaking blown away when I saw that because this was probably 2017. I was the seventh one, Fast and Furious 7. I was staying at a casino in Michigan. My grandmother got for me. She was a regular at the casino at the time. And I was visiting her. She had me stay there. And I was watching the movie in my hotel room. And all of a sudden, it says on the screen, Monte Christie, Dominican Republic. And I'm like, no fucking way. That is insane. Because this is a

small town. If you look up where Monte Christie is, it is in the northwest part of the Dominican Republic, far from Santiago and very far from Santo Domingo. This is not where tourists go. This is a small- Oh, were you doing church shit there? I worked for a nonprofit organization, not specifically a Christian organization, though. Beachtown. Sure. Beachtown. It's on the ocean yeah uh but yeah so i was quite surprised when that showed up there and i i don't think um so uh i have not been there in a long time but but yeah, that's, I lived there for almost two years.

Did you have money saved up? Not a lot at this point. No, some, some, but. And what did your dad say about you moving there? So the previous Christmas, my dad was married to a second wife at the time, and she wanted us to go on a family vacation that was service-oriented. So we went to the Dominican Republic. You have a stepmom that wanted you to go on a service-oriented family vacation? She wanted to do it with my dad. He said, should we invite the kids?

She said, sure. I decided I would go, and then all of the other siblings decided they would go as well, except for one of her daughters who was unable to make it that year. And we, yeah, so we went as a family and did that. And during that time I was there, I met the owner of the company, the founder of the nonprofit organization. And I stayed in touch with him a little bit. And when I left Texas, I gave him a call and I said, hey man, I just had some really upheaval in my life. Um, and I was wondering if I could come back for the summer in a, like a leadership role or something like that.

And so I didn't, I wasn't working for him at first. I just went down there as like a trading services thing. So I had no expenses. He flew me out there, put me up food, whatever. And I just worked as like a leader for the summer and then it went well so we extended it uh spoken and true uh like brian friend that that's like so indicative uh i haven't spoke to you in a couple years and my life is in complete upheaval i'm being chased by a murderer uh would you take me in but i will only come in a leadership position that fucking says it all about that

defines you okay uh bailey walker uh this is definitely one of my favorite podcasts you've done hope this is another long podcast we need the whole brian friend story i don't think we can ever get the whole story i mean we've definitely skipped over some stuff, but that's okay. So that chapter just closed? Which one? You just went to Dominican Republic and that was gone. Mm-hmm. And it ended. That was it.

You put two years' time there. You felt safe and came back to the United States. It wasn't that I didn't come back because I felt safe. I came back for a girl no shit how did you meet a girl in this where did she live she was there volunteering for the summer and uh i would say that during that two years i did the calculation once, you know, close to 2000 college age women came through as volunteers. Holy shit. So it was like probable that I would meet someone I was interested in. Did you know that that was, you were going to a place where there would be 2000 women coming?

I didn't think about it. I wasn't, uh, that wasn't the way I went there. Is that place still open probably i think so yeah holy shit uh if you're a college age guy and you want to go somewhere and like get the check mark off your like from you want your your christian buddies to think you're doing something good i contact brian holy shit that sounds like a fucking dream come true there's a lot i mean it's hard work a lot of responsibility what did the organization do it's twofold the job was really twofold so we had a learning center in town where the kids in the dominican republic i'm not sure if this is still the case but at that time they only were mandated to go to school for half day. So half the kids went in the morning, half the kids went in the afternoon. So we had a learning center that was available to

the kids on the other half of the day that they weren't in school. So the morning kids would come in the afternoon, the afternoon kids would come in the morning and we would teach them the two most significant skills that they could acquire if they wanted to have a chance to get a reasonable job in their country, which were Spanish literacy and English. But the organization is funded basically by volunteers. So majority of them would come for a week at a time, usually with groups, colleges, high schools, churches, families. Sometimes people would come on their own and sometimes they would come for longer. And then our job was also to facilitate the experience to the volunteers. So I was the director of learning center and then also regularly, you know,

most weeks of the year leading groups through a week long volunteer experience. Did you have a handful of intimate relationships during that time? None, except for that one. No shit. Are you still in contact with her no no no she hurt me very badly but but that was it was crazy intense you were in love i proposed to her we got engaged oh shit is that the only person you ever proposed to? No, I also proposed to that girl that I was in love with in high school. Oh, shit.

The lesbian girl you proposed to? Mm-hmm. What did she say? She said no. I told her to keep the ring. Really? Mm-hmm. As far as I know her to keep the ring. Really? Mm-hmm. As far as I know, she still has it.

Was that the end of the relationship when you proposed to her? No. You still dated? We tried again one more time. Amazing. I wonder what she thinks. And she really likes you. There's so many good stories bubbling on the surface here.

She really, she really likes you. You're saying that or someone wrote that in the comments. I'm thinking that. Oh, tell me, tell me what, what's one that just comes to the tip of your, tell me, give me a freebie, give me a freebie. Well, I said that there was only one girl in the Dominican Republic, but I suppose there were actually two.

But the first one was from the family trip that we took in December that the previous year. And at that time, I was talking to that girl from high school again, and it felt like it actually might work. I went to the Dominican Republic and I was just like, uh, almost put in a trance by a woman that I met there. Like it was completely out of character for me to do something like this, but we had an intimate evening on the last night. No sex, but pretty remarkable, good memories.

And I told that girl about it when I got back, and that was like the end of everything. Oh, wow. Yeah. And a few months later, that girl, she was in college at the time. We actually bonded over her senior thesis that she was writing she was also a theology major uh-huh and she told me we had some great conversations and she told me that not even her professors understood her as the way that i did and so we had this like uh um connection that way and then there was a bit of a physical

connection but then she didn't really want to pursue anything. Otherwise she was also extremely put off by the fact that I had this other woman. She basically told me if you, she said, if you cheat on me, you'll cheat with me, whatever.

But a few months later she called. Oh no, no. If you cheat with me, you'll cheat on me. That one. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So she was upset about the lesbian. Well, she didn't know she was upset that i had someone back home and that i would still have this intimate evening with her oh okay but a couple months later when her thesis was getting ready to be due she called me or texted me or something and she's like hey i want you to come visit me she was living in san diego and uh i was working for that company at the time the one with the one with the deer antler yeah and he knew about her and i told him that she invited me he's like you got to go and that same day i brought i brought a i bought a plane ticket were you taking deer antler at the time were you taking the antler you were did you notice any changes in your, I think that it's, it's one of these things that if you're eating a very

healthy diet, uh, having a healthy lifestyle, you can notice this stuff also, but it's like the rate at which your fingernails and toenails grow is like, that's really the only outward sign of the regenerative properties of the cells. I felt good, but I felt good anyway, you know? Right, right. Okay. So on the same day that she asked me, I flew out to San Diego. She picked me up and she took me to a hotel, not to her place. And she basically threw me on the bed and just immediately just had crazy, wild, incredible

sex with her. We spent the next three days in the hotel room, basically just fucking and working on her thesis. And it was a very, very memorable trip in San Diego there. And I pretty much have not heard from her again since. No shit. But I, I, I don't regret it at all. That was a fun trip.

Wow. Was her name Carla? No. Okay. Just checking. Carla, $10. Thank you. Was – these were all – are all these women – are these women – they were all your age or younger?

Yeah. Have you ever had an older girlfriend? Girlfriend, no, but I've been with older women. Yeah. Do you like older women? I have at times. Yeah. And just women in general, you like women?

I do. Yeah. But, you know. Did her thesis get wet? just women in general, you like women. I do. Yeah. But, you know, uh, what did her thesis get wet? I, I did edit that a little bit. Uh,

she did. She did very well on it. She did do well on it. Yeah. I mean, we, we, we,

you know, you need to have some downtime between those, uh, physical sessions. So we worked a lot as well on our thesis that weekend. Wow. That's crazy. You need to have some downtime between those physical sessions. So we worked a lot as well on our thesis that weekend. Wow, that's crazy. So the first girl you proposed to, she said no. And then this other girl that you proposed to from the Dominican Republic, she – was that a quick proposal?

You didn't know her very long? You just fell deeply in love with her and proposed to her? Yeah. She was a senior in college at Rice University in Houston. I moved to Houston. I got a job there. I got a place there. I proposed to her.

It was her birthday. Is this at, oh, and this is after the antlership because you've gone to Dominican Republic, escaped from the clutches of death, and now you're back in the U.S.? Yeah, I think it's 2013. Okay. This is. And are you doing CrossFit yet?

This is like the same month that this story I'm about to tell you is the same month that I started doing CrossFit. Okay. It was October of 2013. Okay. And it was her birthday. And so I went to her house to surprise her, but I got surprised instead. She was just getting absolutely railed by her ex-boyfriend.

And I walked in on it. How long had you been living in Houston when that happened? Maybe three months, two or three months. And had those months been good? Yeah, pretty good. Was her getting railed by her ex a deal breaker? Yeah. I mean, I checked myself into a hospital that day.

No shit. Yeah, it had a pretty significant impact on me. I thought that the suicidal ideations were just a scam to get money for weed. There's a previous time this i was feeling pretty bad and uh upset so i i did i i did that i called my dad he flew down um after a few days i got out of the hospital we went to houston picked up my stuff and drove home. My friends here that got me into CrossFit were some of my best friends from childhood. I started playing soccer with them when I was about five. They moved down to Texas, him and his two brothers. They moved to Texas the year after I did and

played on my collegiate soccer team there. And then when I was in the Dominican Republic, they picked up on CrossFit, and when I came back here after that story I just told you, they were living here again, and they took me to CrossFit PFT and said, we got to get you out of the house. You need a distraction, and I went there, and it was kind of like a repeat of the rehab situation. I was a total asshole, and I was rude to the guys that are now my bosses and some of my best friends but they they were patient with me and after i know a week or so i was i was all in basically on the crossfit is because it was the only thing that i was doing that was distracting me from the pain that i was feeling otherwise emotional

oh um so you're, I just wanted to just, you're in Dominican Republic, a girl's there volunteering, you're working there, you hang out. She's only there for a month or a week. No,

she had actually stayed for the summer. Okay. So, and then how close were you to leaving Dominican Republic? I didn't, so I didn't leave right away. Like I stayed there the entire next year and then I went. And know and you never saw her for that year so you were just writing emails back and forth um more uh more or less yeah you didn't see her for a whole year she

never came to visit you you never went there correct so she you had a month of really fucking intense intimacy with her she was gone a year you had a month of really fucking intense intimacy with her. She was gone a year. You had a long-distance relationship where you didn't see her. Then she moved. She lived in Houston. You moved to Houston, and you're there for three, and you get there. And is she there at the airport with open arms, happy to see you? I drove. From Dominican Republic to Houston?

No, from Chicago. I came home. Oh, okay. And then when you get there, you rent a place you don't move in with her she was still living with her you know her girlfriends from college okay and so you rent the place there and what job do you have in houston i was working for uh another sort of a non-profit organization but in the realm of Christianity. Okay. And did you, did you, are you, were you a Christian then?

I never answered that question. Do you believe that Jesus came, that God gave? I did ask someone to do a baptism for me in the ocean of the Dominican Republic. And you did it? You actually did it? Mm-hmm. Do you believe that I'm probably not going to answer this. Hi. Thank you.

Yeah. Just be careful of that camera right there. That's my beauty shot. Thank you. Bye. Second cup of coffee for this show. Yeah. Can you give me one too, please? Yeah, Brian will take one too. Holy shit, it got cold outside.

Did it stop raining? No, it stopped a little bit. It's like this one now. Okay. Hey, you might want to watch this show. This show will probably make you horny. And we'll probably be done in an hour. Okay. I love you um uh so so um in in hindsight when you think about how you went down there do you think that you forced her or was she like oh my god i'm so excited you're

coming i'm grateful now that that didn't work out i i understand that but when you went down like were you blinded like should you have seen signs before you went to houston in hindsight when you play it that like oh i shouldn't have gone there it's interesting you know i introduced her obviously to friends and family of mine and this this this what i'm about to tell you reformed my own personal interaction with this kind of situation. Everyone that met her was like, oh my God, she's so beautiful. She's so nice. She's so smart.

All these compliments about her. How was her body? I enjoyed it. Yeah. Except for my one friend. And this is the same guy that introduced me to CrossFit. And he says uh i don't know man there's something about her i don't trust her and he told me that and i was like

ah you don't know what you're talking about you just don't know her let me ask you this and then this wait wait wait and then this happens i walk in on her and obviously i'm completely devastated whatever and after the fact all of the other people in my life are like oh yeah i'm i think it's for the best i don't there was something weird about her and i'm thinking to myself what the fuck like you guys are supposed to care about me are you just telling me that you think she's pretty and attractive and smart because you don't want like like if you actually think or are you just saying now that you think there's something wrong with her because that's what you want me to hear now?

And I realize all these other people in both instances were just telling me what I wanted to hear and they weren't telling me what they actually thought. And I was really appreciative and grateful of my friend who told me what he knew I didn't want to hear because that's what he perceived. And he ended up being right about her. And so I've adopted this in my own life, but you have to be really careful with it. So when I see friends or family, when people that I love or care about that are embarking in relationships that I think are unhealthy or toxic for them, I, I want to let them know that I think that, but I want to let them know that, that I think that in a, in first of all, in a well thought out and productive way, and I only will do it once and I'll never

bring it up again. Oh, I fuck. I know that about you. Wow. That's so interesting. I know that about you. You and I've had this discussion many times. I didn't know the origins of it. You and I've had this discussion many times over the years. Yeah. Wow. That's really cool. that's cool to know the origins of it brian do you think that that friend sensed that she was hitting on him or that she was making the pussy available to him and therefore he knew she wasn't good i know it's a stab way big stab in the dark but i just i'm not sure i'm not sure did he tell tell you what vibe he got from her? I remember that he specifically said, I don't know what it is, but I just don't trust her.

Okay. So then let me go back to my other question. In hindsight, did you think that there were signs that you should have picked up on that made it so that she really didn't want you there? Yeah, I think that'd be fair to say. Okay. Do you think that maybe she really is a good person and it could have worked out she just needed to work out some of this like external i do think she's a good person yeah ancillary fucking okay um can you so you um you uh can you give me the details of of showing up to her house and what what happened that day like you pull up in your honda civic you get out, you see a car there. You don't recognize. Yeah, more or less that. And, uh, you know, I,

I've had some flowers for her for her birthday and just wanted to surprise her. And I was, I saw that car there and I was suspicious of it, but she, like I said, she lived with her friends. So like that, you know, it could have been one of their, well, just whatever. So I,

anyway, I just walked in and walked into the room and I just dropped the flowers. I was like, Holy fuck. And I like, wait, wait. So no one else was home.

It was early in the morning. It's like six, six, seven AM or something. And, and before you opened open the door could you hear anything yeah you could hear fucking bad moving bad moving you can you still hear it like now as we talk about it i haven't in a long time but yeah yeah. And then you open the door. When you open the door, is he on top or is she on top?

He was. Did he see you? Well, they both. I mean, I just was like, what? I just, I think I said something like, what the fuck? And I left and they both saw me. Christ, Sevan. That's kind of a weird juxtaposition of words, but I'll take it.

Jesus Christ, Sevan? No. No, not. No, just Sevan. Please, do not put me on a pedestal. Wow. I'm trying to think if i've ever had anything like that and that was it you never had sex with her again i've never seen her again never saw her again did she call you and try to say so i'm sorry? I mean, she was trying to call me throughout that day, but I didn't.

I think I turned my phone off. You got in your car, you put on some Peter Gabriel, cried your fucking eyes out, and you're like, I better go to the hospital before I kill myself? Something like that. Did you think about taking a picture? No. No. These stories, I need the details. I need the details. I want to ask her if they finished.

I'm dying to know. Have you ever been caught railing someone's girlfriend or boyfriend? No. No one's ever walked in on you? Did you know the guy? No. I knew of him. You did?

Mm-hmm. Was it one of her as an ex of hers or just a guy that Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh, we need to kick her out. I wouldn't be surprised if

they ended up getting married, honestly. Oh, interesting. She talked to me about him as if he was this bad stuff and whatever else. But when I think back about it, the frequency with which she brought him up, I think she's just like really hung up on him for good or bad. Who broke up with who in that relationship? Do you know? Like before you came around?

I'm not sure. Jesus, guys, easy. Look at this. Move on, Seve. Jesus, guys, easy. Look at this. Move on, Seve. Did you watch that video with Hiller and Miranda and Julian? I have not. Oh. I bring it up because I watched it and I just felt uncomfortable watching it for some reason. I'm wondering if some people feel uncomfortable with this, and so that's why they want me to uh move on up and then there's people like trish pull her up on social media that's cool it's fine i don't um yeah um why not give her a second chance brian why not why not um Why not? Why not? I just couldn't handle it. Yeah.

Emotionally. Yeah. I was up to that point in my life. I was an extremely emotional man. You think that cauterized something? You said up until that point. I feel like I'm less emotional now. Like you got damaged or you grew debatable

maybe a little of both so you went to a hospital and how long did you stay in a hospital 4 or 5 days or something did they give you any drugs like Xanax or Paxil no I just needed a safe place to be

were you in a place with other wackadoodles like dudes like just rocking looking out a window yes serious yeah oh my god there are some funny people there are some good times but there's also some stuff where you were like holy shit like that's that's that sucks uh it was really different content it was uh funny but cool walking you what the details of what there's just something about and and you'll never and you'll see that you'll know that feeling do you know that feeling or do you have to like that feeling has to be uh what feeling the feeling of walking in and seeing um someone you love getting railed or do you have to that that feeling has to be like sequestered

and locked away somewhere? I dealt with that. You did deal with it? Yeah. God, there must be a lot of power there. Can you use that hurt? Yeah, I think so. What are the best? No no couldn't worry okay so from there you get it it's at that exact time in houston you get to the hospital and your friends introduce you to crossfit as

some sort of therapy did i understand that right yeah more or less and it was it was a great distraction when i was at the crossfit gym early on i you know i i was in fact not thinking about that which was nice brian asked him to move on just because of that i'm going to go back in in hindsight do you wish you would have handled that differently for anyone who does walk in on on on someone they love getting railed how do you think you should handle that you think you should walk out yeah just ask if you could join in maybe that's what i was thinking something like that i figured you were thinking that any any god crazy and then from there have you ever had is that the last serious girlfriend you've had? Yeah. And that was in 2013?

Yeah. There was five years passed between that day and the next time that I even kissed another human being. Five years? Yeah. Holy shit. Dude, so you experienced some hurt that I'm not even like uh some people in the audience are picking up on it but i'm not so i'm like behaving like an insensitive asshole and they're like tripping oh my god oh here katie uh i started crossfit after my ex-husband cheated on me

thank you crossfit i mean dude what a fucking healthy um did you know that story about her no i do god can you imagine the fucking dms you're about to get listen if you're not going to come over to his house and try to blow the demons out of them just don't fucking dm them uh dear brian uh i know this may seem insensitive but i'd like to come over to your house and suck uh suck you dry and i think uh you'll be cured god damn he has moved on i'm just looking under just he has definitely he's moved on i'm just looking under just he has it definitely he's moved on i'm just picking up looking on picking scabs and asking about war wounds so that fucked you up that did that that rocked you yeah hey um uh so some of the themes are um uh very very nice boy then um

themes are um uh very very nice boy then um highly volatile had explosion at home went to rehab went to college got job uh karma then brings fucking wingnut fucking right wing conservative into your life almost gets gets you killed by hit man. You escaped to Bible camp for two years. You get out, fall in love with the girl. And within three months, uh, you have another crazy high of getting emotionally fucking devastated. Uh,

okay. Um, so, so, uh okay um so so how long do you leave houston after that right away you can't you don't want to be there did you ever drive by her house again after the incident no did you did you ever uh God, that's fucking crazy. Is she the girl that you had the best sex with ever in your life? No. And then so you didn't – San Diego was better than that. Wow, okay. Also not the best though.

Okay. Wow. wow um uh so from 2013 to 2018 no no he knew her for more than three months he knew her for like like almost two years a year and a half long distance relationship um so uh so you you why five years just because it hurt that bad uh it wasn't like a premeditated five years that's just how long it was yeah and um oh this is a great question was the best an older woman no oh well then the best is still to come. So you started doing CrossFit in Houston, and then you basically left there, and you went back to Chicago? No, I started doing it in Chicago when I got back here. Oh, okay.

Hey, why don't you live in Florida with where your dad is? Why don't you go closer to your family? I was living there for a couple of years, um, or a year and a half maybe, but things did not work out there. That's further down the line. What year did you go there? 2017. Okay. So from 2013, um, when you, uh, had the walking into the room incident to 2017, you were basically in Chicago working? No, I had moved back to Texas.

I stayed here for a small period of time. And then I went back to a different part of Texas to live with my same friend who had come back from spending a few years in Australia primarily where he was working on an oil rig. He had gotten a job as a petroleum physicist in Tyler, Texas. And I moved there and got a job teaching and coaching at a high school. Oh, wow. Okay, so then you basically did Take Your Mind. And how long do you think it took for that wound to heal?

Did you think about her a lot? Did you stalk her on Facebook? Did you? No, I, uh, I think I actually, it was, uh, the first couple of months were very hard, but I think I got, got through it all in the, in that time period. And then, and then you stayed in Texas, you moved to Tyler, Texas and you had, and how long did you work at that high school? Three years. And you were pretty, were you a recluse?

I live with my friend and his girlfriend, fiance at the time when she was in, in the country. She's not, she's Australian,'s Australian citizen and Bangladesh origins. It was difficult for her to get permanent citizenship here so she was in and out. You were doing CrossFit there and Tyler? Yeah.

I would drop into a gym nearby every once in a while but I had a garage gym during that time. We just bought a rig and barbell, rower, et cetera, and got all the stuff we needed and just trained with my best friend there most days. Brian is too young for all this. Are you fucking kidding me? He's perfect. He's cruising along perfect.

These are good. These are all this is perfect he needs a couple more incidents um okay so then you and then why do you leave there another girl no not a woman but not not It was, uh, that year they hired that third year, they hired an administrator who there's any Harry Potter fans out there. She was the equivalent of Dolores Umbridge, very, very strict rule follower. And I was not, those kids needed a lot more. I was a world history teacher and a lot of the kids in this school, it was 99% of the population is Black and Hispanic of the school. And a lot of them had very poor family situations, couldn't read very

well, couldn't write very well. And most importantly to me, were afraid to think for themselves. And so my emphasis early in the year was to build confidence in the kids, to take chances, to take risks and guess about things and write free, right. And I would give them 20 minutes to write and they would write two sentences and it might not even be legible or coherent writing some of these kids. And so I tried to instill like those kind of confidence things in them with basic skills first early in the year. And I didn't worry too much about like the details of world history that the curriculum is demanding them to know until later in the year. By the end of the year, the students in my classes trusted me and would learn, but it took,

you know, gain to gain their trust a very suspicious population of kids that have been done wrong a lot early in their life. And she didn't like that, the administrator. And so she basically worked to get me fired. In the meantime, she's sleeping with the principal of the school who's married. But, you know, my transgressions were worse. What was her role at the school? Basically an administrator, an assistant principal or worse. What was her role at the school? Basically an administrator and assistant principal or something.

So she was assistant? How do you know she was fucking the principal? Because someone at the school told me. Who knows? Told me. I don't want to say too much about that. How come? I just prefer not to.

Because it's not... I said something on the podcast the other day and I got a text message from someone. It was about them. They slapped me around a little bit. It ended up being good. I said, sorry, I apologized.

I asked them if they wanted me to correct the record. They said, no, it's fine. Just drop it. Sorry. Uh, Alan Kestenbaum, uh, what made Brian want to know everything and cross it? Uh, $2. No, no, no, Brian, don't answer that. We're not even close to that. Wow. So, um, uh, so what, what did she end up doing to get you fired? Or did you, did you, or did you – no, it's not Dan Bailey. I'm not saying sorry to Dan Bailey. I didn't do anything to Dan Bailey. What did she do to get you fired and – or did you quit? It was forced resignation.

or did you quit? It was forced resignation. There was, there's just a student who was being very difficult and belligerent. She was a student athlete. And obviously I have empathy for student athletes. I was the head coach of the soccer program i coached on the football team um but i had this kind of well i had like a i don't know what you would call it a pattern or a strategy when it came to

the students so i was very hard on them early in the year with a great deal of expectation and it would reflect in their grades and they would have bad grades, failing D's, C's. But when it came time to turn in the report cards or the final grades for the semester at the end of the semester, I would be lenient to some extent. I would give them easy outs to get their grades to where they needed to be to satisfy their requirements. And I mean, there was a part of that was pressure from the school system to just keep moving everyone forward. You don't just accidentally have kids as sophomores in high school that can't write. But one of the girls that was on the basketball team just was being extremely belligerent in the response to the sternness with which I was treating her. And she got her basketball coach, was friends with this administrator. And she just took the opportunity to basically, I don't know what you

call how she went about doing it, exploit or extort or, you know, and I had to like basically just make a decision if I was going to just do what she told me to do for the sake of the girl, or if I was going to just hold my line and say, no, she's done nothing in nothing in my class and until she does something i'm not going to give her a grade that just so she can play in the basketball game wow wow and she took it up the chain and the and the principal called me for a meeting and and i was i stood my ground and he and, based on what I was, a fucked up situation, but based on the things that she's presented to him and the fact that I refused, I was like, he took the administrator's side on it. And he said, you're actively suspended or something like that.

And basically a week later, I was given an ultimatum of getting, of either doing exactly as they say, being fired or choosing to resign on my own. So Brian, it was just cut and dry as like, yo, this bitch got to get a fucking C so she can play in the basketball team. And if you don't give it to her,

we're going to fire you. There wasn't like, by the way, we know you've been smoking weed in the parking lot at school and we're going to turn you in for that. There wasn't like, they didn't have like some sort of like, yeah,

right. They did or they didn't. They did did not so they didn't even have anything against you to leverage or blackmail you with it was just straight up your fucking job or give her a c yeah more or less it was really sad you think about did you think about suing them i've had some situations like this and i would know and where i've thought about that what happened in florida ended up also being a kind of a situation where I could have maybe pursued some legal action, and I chose not to. We haven't got to that story yet? No.

Can't wait. We might have. Anyway. What are you doing today? What the fuck could there be going on in Chicago? I can't believe you're in Chicago. I have another show to record at noon. Oh, with who?

Surprise. I don't think that anyway, that's in 30 minutes. Is it on with Talking Elite Fitness? Maybe. Dude, they're gone. They don't exist anymore. I just showed you. They're fucking gone. Everyone go try to find Talking Elite Fitness on Instagram. Tell Brian that they're gone. They're gone. It's done.

I paid someone 12 dollars to erase them so i could have you all for myself i sincerely hope they're not gone that sucks having your instagram account fucking vanished can someone check can someone in the comments check just check like don't log out of youtube make sure i'm still getting the views uh so so you lost your job you stood your ground and they fired you i chose to resign but it was the what the thing it's actually it's incredibly sad to me because that i had done the kids got hurt in the end the kids get hurt extremely extremely they had to in they had to reassign teachers to my classes four different times in a month before they found someone that could handle them. I had a really difficult group of kids.

And then the soccer team, what happened to the soccer team is one of the saddest things I could have imagined happening. We were favored to win the conference that year. We were really good. And the kids were really disciplined. They were really bought into what I was doing. All Mexican kids? All but one black kid the inverse of the football team yeah yeah and uh

like first generation mexicans right yeah first or second and i had um like a really good spanish how was your spanish well i I had learned Spanish living in the Dominican Republic, so I could communicate with them in Spanish. But, um, you're talking about how it's sad. What happened after that to the team? Yeah. I mean, we had no, we had, you know, we had had hardly any injuries the last two years and I had developed a good rapport with collegiate coaches in Texas who were recruiting kids from my school. Cause we were, you know because they were pretty good soccer players and I was holding them accountable for grades. And, um, that year after I was forced to leave, they finished last in the conference. They won one game. There were two ACL injuries, one ankle injury. One kid got a, one kid got a girl pregnant. One kid went to jail. Three, three other kids, uh, never played soccer. They just quit the team and never played again, and the program went to complete shit.

And when I found that out, I was pretty devastated. When you resigned, how long before you left Tyler? Not very long. A week, maybe. Crazy. Was the guy, was the guy that you were staying with pissed because he didn't have someone to help pay his rent? No,

it was actually kind of synchronistic in that regard. He was getting, he was also being moved to an office in San Antonio. No, not in San Antonio, in Oklahoma city. He lives in San Antonio now. No, not in San Antonio, in Oklahoma City. He lives in San Antonio now. And his wife had actually gotten a job in Florida,

so we all kind of dispersed at the same time. Wow, that is good timing. There was something Keston... So Black Kid had to be on the the team he was the fastest wing out there well it's funny you mentioned that uh this is uh a instagram account he was but he couldn't had no touch did he really have no touch so she scored so many goals, but he was fast. I wish I knew how to make this bigger. This is called White Woman Comedy, this Instagram account.

And this is a pretty crazy video I saw. I can't remember if I saw it late last night or this morning. But these are three melanated women here, then a fucking whitey, then three melanated women. Just fucking watch this. This is crazy right here. Set.

And lane four, Mary Beth St. Price of the U.S. She wins this Tyson invitation. Well, damn! You sure it wasn't no straight dog roaming on the track or something? She just beat

six sisters. You know how hard that is? I don't think Usain Bolt could do that she shot out of them blocks like a torpedo anyway stuck stuck in my head i just wanted to uh call you out on your your your prejudice mr kestenbaum uh damn shorty was fast i know she's a midget right there's got to be something there brian right like turnover that at that distance the turnover rate of her legs was like working in her advantage like there was an advantage like the the physics of that are just a crazy turnover rate i guess so it would be interesting to count their steps their cadence uh

we just won like our millions track and field ncaa event i don't understand that but it's probably funny so where do you go from there from houston where do you go you just pick up your shit and um at this point are you tripping at all do you have any flashbacks as you're leaving like as you leave texas do you go to a bar get a glass of whiskey and reflect like all right so uh dominican republic uh love gone bad and now uh you know good deeds gone bad i mean i uh at this point i how i always equate these moments in my life is or how I envision them is kind of like that. I open a door and, and it's just completely pitch dark and I just have to take a step.

And I do. And I just keep moving forward and trust that I'm going to land on solid ground or, or be on that path. And, and it's, it usually works out. A step into the unknown um uh steven flores uh two dollars um what is geese 40 meter sprint i think that was 60 meter but i mean

still a fair question i don't think you get an answer for two dollars but faster than yours steven oh there you go um you know what's interesting about these stories you told? Still none of them are as horrible as the one that just happened to you with the identity theft. It depends what you value.

Well, just because it's more recent. Right. If I could tell you, like, hey, are you in love right now no oh sorry I started reading it oh wow if you need a favor for me and you text me

during the middle of a fucking show, then that's a bad time to text me because all I think is, well, shit, you're not watching my show. Especially if the text is asking me to come on the show. Isn't that weird? Okay. Fine. One word answers, Brian is my favorite.

Well, that's funny. That's the one I hate. You leave Houston and where do you go? It's a little fuzzy from there. I was more or less on the road for a period of time. What year is this now? 2017? Sometimes I get confused about this period of time. What year is this now? 2017. I get it. Sometimes I get confused about this period of

time, honestly, but I spent a little time in Austin, Texas, uh, living with a friend of mine and helping him coach his gym. And then I went to Florida. Yeah, that's right. And then I went to Florida to Naples, to Naples, Marco Island, and was working at a CrossFit gym there part-time and was, and then I got another job coaching at a high school, coaching a soccer team at a high school in Naples. And then I had a kind of a decision to make the, the, the soccer, the high school offered me a full-time teaching job and wanted to keep me on as a soccer coach. And like, were you living with your dad? I had been living with my dad and then I moved into a place on my own. Okay. How long did you live with your dad? I can't, a couple

months maybe. How was that? It was fine. I mean, him and his wife were there and I never necessarily been a huge fan of hers, but you know, they had a guest room, guest bedroom. We had dinners together. She's a great cook. But I wasn't home a lot. I was at the gym or at the school coaching the soccer team most of the time. Does she have kids? She has two kids. Are they older than you?

Oh, that sucks. Hey, just so people know, look at this. You can take a road straight from Miami through just fucking the weirdest, some of the weirdest fucking landscape you've ever seen. I've done it many times. And you can take that road and just cross over straight over to Naples. But you said Marco Island is different than Naples. It's pretty far south of Naples.

Yeah, my dad lives on Marco Island. Okay. So I was living there and commuting up to Naples. Like where it says naples on there or east naples yeah that's where the gym was and then up further where it says golden gate is where the high school was how far is that commute it's like 30 40 minutes depending on traffic dude this is a fucked road network there's only two roads in and out of marco island the 952 and the 92 what a fucking on both sides say that again yeah bridge on both sides is the

only way to get to the island for you what a shit show that's only a matter of time before that gets fucked hey dude do you have if you that's a whole different story they better build like 20 more i can't believe they don't have one that just goes right up the coast here it must be just it's just so marshy right i don't know i don't know it's shit expensive in marco island yeah look at they got a jw marriott there used to stay at those when i was balling damn they're you know when the year my that i born, my dad got a timeshare on Marco Island, and we went there every year during spring break. So he's always had a kind of soft spot for that place,

and then he ended up wanting to move there when he was ready to move south. What are all these red things? Houses. Is it all old people there? There are a lot of old people there. Yeah. Okay. So you make sure you go to Marco Island.

You hang out with your dad for a couple months. You're there with the stepmom. Who's a good cook. And do her kids live at home? Uh, daughter. No, son at times. Okay. Crazy. uh, daughter, no, it son at times.

Okay. Crazy. She's trying to get your inheritance. All right. Um, uh, so, um,

then what happens after that? You, you, you stay in Naples, you get a job there. Well, yeah, I had to choose between the job at the high school and the job at the gym and that guy was trying he was gonna switch from being a crossfit gym he

just i think he just eclipsed 10 years as an affiliate but he wanted to switch to become an opex gym i had a previous i had what was his name do i know him i don't know. Was it CrossFit Naples? It was CrossFit Redline. Oh. Did his mom work at the gym too? I don't think so. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Go on. And I had a OPEC certification. Oh, CrossFit Naples is Matt Torres' gym. I went there and there's a picture of Matt Torres. Unless it's an old picture. Still him. Still him, though. There's a guy there named Daniel Condon.

Oh, Daniel Condon. Okay, sorry. I digress. Anyway, I chose to coach at the OPEX gym. Instead of taking the teaching job, I was kind of not interested in teaching in public schools anymore. And if I had another option, I was going to take it. It was interesting to me to potentially become a full-time coach. And so I did that.

And I had a couple dozen people that I was writing individualized programming for at the OPEX gym. I mean, I obviously told the guy that I had this other opportunity and that it was like, I have to be making enough money to support living in Naples. And he said, a hundred percent, we're going to make that happen. And I believed him, but he was unable to make it happen. So he was not able to live up to his end of the deal. but he was unable to make it happen. So he was not able to live up to his end of the deal. And I decided that it was not worth working for him anymore.

So I left. You left Florida or you left his gym? I left his gym and Florida. It did not end very well. This was right after the 2018 CrossFit Games that you brought me to. Oh. Okay, I like this timeline. And I'm looking at this red line place to see if I know the owner.

There's someone there I knew the owner. I just can't remember which gym it was. And it was a son and a mom, and the mom had cancer. They were good people, but they were, they, it was, it was a fucking struggle. So you never took the high school job. No. And is that when you got your OPEC certification when you worked there? Yeah, I got it. I mean, I got it before that. Yeah. Like while I was living in Florida, I was doing that.

Okay. And when I met you, you were – yes? Well, you weren't there when I came out to CrossFit HQ. Right. But Gary was there. No, not Gary. Eric was there, Matt Bischel, Eric Maceo, Matt Bischel, and Tommy. Tommy Marquez. Eric was there. Matt Bischel, you know, Eric Macy, Matt Bischel and Tom and Tommy Marquez podcast. Yeah.

And I invited you out there and told you I'd be there. Did I tell you before you came that I wouldn't be there? You didn't know. You just showed up and I, I had ghosted you. No. Yeah. You go to me and Tommy greeted me there.

And so my first impression was like, Oh, Tommy and seven are good friends. And then I was unavailable to be here. So Tommyy's here to you know show me around which he did um anyway uh they wouldn't they didn't want to pull up the gym because it was opex gym it was a crossfit podcast that i worked at so we just kind of skirted around it on that podcast oh oh shit okay interesting i wonder i don't think i think if i would have been there we wouldn't have skirted around it on that podcast oh oh shit okay interesting i wonder i don't think i think if i would have been there we wouldn't have skirted around it i'm guessing i don't know

i i was i was friends with uh maceal and uh matt i was not friends with tommy not that there was anything but it was kind of it was always it's always been weird between me and him, always. But it wasn't bad. You know what I mean? Like I didn't – I'm appreciative that he greeted you there and annoyed at the same time. So – but when I met you – so then where did I meet you the first time? Albany, New York. That was – so why did – I just said, hey then where did, so then where did I meet you the first time? Albany, New York. That was it.

So I, why did I just say, Hey, well you come out there and we can work together out there, but I never met you. No, I mean, I think the podcast went well.

I did it with Matt and Tommy. Probably Matt's like, I'm guessing that Matt told you like, no, that guy's pretty good. Like you, you know, and you were like,

huh, I wonder if we should do it at regionals. And he was like, yeah, I think he would do well. And I wonder if we should do it at regionals and he was like yeah i think he would do well and i mean matt told me that night at dinner that he was impressed with with me which is nice of him to say yeah you used to send me like just tons of shit that i could say on the podcast and it was all good shit i'm like but i can't read this stuff i need this guy to come out here and read this for me that's right right. So you reached out and you're like, Hey, you want to go to regionals, do a podcast? I was like, uh, yeah, sure. You're like, okay. Uh, I'm going to

get you in touch with whomever travel will set you up. We're going to Albany, New York week one. And I remember you being quiet and reserved. Was that who you, and now I think of you as a little more open. Do you think that's just you as a little more open do you think that's just because our relationship has changed or do you think that like you're more open you you are less reserved now i mean probably a combination i mean i was i was a new guy i you know you had your team of people there i knew i was there for the podcast and i was basically just viewed myself as like a crossfit nerd that you could rely on to answer questions about the competition. But I didn't know if I was like friends with you guys in the group with you guys.

So I just kind of felt like peripheral at the beginning. Were you surprised at what a Motley Crue it was? That it was like Chad Winterstrom, my little 13-year-old nephew um lillian fuentes yeah are you surprised like whoa it was on that team yeah were you surprised how crazy the team was i loved it it was great i mean i still i still to this day think it's one of the best uh you know teams i've worked on across the competitions yeah it was fucking nuts right what a fucking ragtag bunch of fucking hoodlums yeah but everyone filled into their role and did really well in it and people worked their ass off great content

because of it yeah yeah that was the podcast and it was crazy i mean we did a couple that was just you me and mike workington but then you're like oh we're gonna have guests on the podcast and the guests you know were velner and Bergeron and Katrin Davidstodd. Oh, yeah. And we just kind of did a makeshift podcast at like the top of the stadium. Gary just set up the lights and shit and we went. Yeah, that's crazy. And then you move.

So why was it bad there you you when you left that gym just that like there were promises that they um made that they didn't keep and that upset you yes i mean we had there was point of was any say it again there was point of conflict and contention it was more of the same thing which which was like, he was, you know, he had promised me something. He was not delivering on it. And I was not going to let him get off the hook with that. I was like, no, you, if you write a contract and we sign it, you are also liable to uphold the end of the contract. You can't just tell me, uh, I, I am, I own the business so I can do whatever I want. It's like, no, that's not how it works. Can he just tell what could he have told you? Like, Hey, I just can't it works. Can he just tell, could he have told you like,

Hey, I just can't afford it. I'm sorry. He basically did say that the business, like managing the business was something that they were struggling with. Yeah. I was okay with, but I was like, that's like, I'm sorry that you're dealing with that, but I still need to pay rent. Like I still need to buy groceries. I'm living in fucking Naples. It's expensive. Right. It turns down the job. That is like a very safe job to take with a guaranteed salary that you promised me that I could make just as much doing this. And I'm not even not even coming close to it. Right. I'm guessing that that kind of shit happens more at like CrossFit gyms and other places.

Like if you get a job with the city, they always fucking pay you. But CrossFit gyms, it's fucking like it's touch and go. It's month to month. Any part of you feel bad for them? I guess when you have rent to pay, you were getting pressure on your end. I mean, yeah, it was an interesting, um, it was an interesting relationship because he taught me a ton. I like, I feel like I learned so much from him about coaching. He had a lot of experience. He was friends with James Fitzgerald. He'd done James's training for a long time. He'd coached people to the games. He'd had a 10-year affiliate and he did it on the side. He was a sheriff in the Naples Police Department for 20-something years. And he gave me a place to stay when I needed it for a

couple of weeks. He was extremely nice and generous to me. His family was, but then on the backend, he just couldn't, you know, he was struggling to run the business and he was frustrated and probably embarrassed by it. And we had some contentious conversations as well. So it was kind of a sad ending to what I thought was a really good relationship. Do you remember when we, when OPT came on the show and like at the very end of the podcast, do you remember what question you asked him? No. You asked him about what's the difference between CrossFit and OPEX. Okay.

And all of a sudden, this beautiful podcast went sideways. And he said, I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said, we do individual training at OPEX. And I said, hey, CrossFit's scalable. And he rolled his eyes at me and snapped at me. Remember that? Vaguely. Like, basically, like, gave me the, like, he, I'm paraphrasing again, but rolled his eyes and was like, oh, you're one of those people? Oh, my God.

It just shows how much work we still have to do. Do you remember that? And then the fucking whole podcast went got weird after that and then fucking dave took a clip from it and posted it and shit i mean here's the thing james text me and he's like well that didn't that sucks that you guys highlighted that which it is true it is kind of suck that we did highlight it but but the whole it's it was crazy that the whole podcast went sideways in the last 10 minutes. Well, this is my approach. My approach to fitness in general is also my approach to theology or religion,

which is at the end of basically I spent five years accumulating information with regards to spirituality or religion and theology. And then I was like, well, what am I going to do with this information? Because I had a lot of it and a lot of experiences. And I decided that instead of looking for the differences, I would look for the similarities. And so I wanted to know across all of these religions that have spans millennia and even present in all of these newer age spiritual groups that have been around for dozens to hundreds of years, what are the things that are the same? And that's what I latched on to.

And that's what I do with fitness too. So I don't force people to come to CrossFit. If you're living an active lifestyle and you have something that you like to do that's generally physically active four to six times a week, you're moving blood through your body, you're sweating and you're getting your heart rate up. I'm happy. If you're doing nothing, I'm not that happy because I know what the product of that is in the long run for you. But, but it doesn't matter to me if, like I said, my dad's a very active person, but he doesn't do CrossFit. No one in my family does CrossFit, but they're all active. You know, my brother's a tennis bro. He's on the court all the time.

My mom does a lot. You know, she's a certified yoga instructor, does Pilates type stuff. And she walks like three hours on the beach every morning. My sister's in a similar realm. And my dad does a lot of, you know, bike riding and running and some weight training more recently. But whatever, they're doing stuff. So I don't, you know, but if someone's doing nothing, then that's what bothers me. So anyway, when it comes to OPEX and CrossFit, I did the same thing.

I thought that there was a tremendous amount of value in both. And I thought there were a lot of similarities. And I didn't think that it was worth highlighting the differences at the expense of the similarities. When it comes to religion, is there, you like that guy, Jesus? Like how he kind of is in all the stories during the time that i was in college i i met a professor he's also on my top 10 greatest influencers list and um he and i had coffee once a week on sunday mornings i wasn't drinking coffee at the time we went to a coffee shop he He would have coffee. I would have a smoothie. And we did a three-year study of the Sermon on the Mount.

You and him? Mm-hmm. Occasionally, his wife would join. Occasionally, my original lover would join when she was- Would they fuck up the vibes when the hoes were there, when the ladies were there? They wouldn't fuck up the vibe? It was a very, very easy in and out.

Okay. And anyway, so occasionally I guess, but the three of us did a three year study of the sermon on the mountain. That's only three chapters of one book of the Bible in three years. And I still can, I still consider the teachings from there to be probably the best summary of all of the things that I learned studying the world religions. You like, do you like that guy? Hey, I heard you. I heard you.

You like that guy? Hey, Zeus, who's in all the stories. I do. He's cool. Is he your favorite character? In all of humanity? Is he, is he your favorite person like you're like like of uh i don't know i don't like that question okay let me rephrase it uh is he your second favorite character my eyes are watering because one of my nostrils is closed up i'm afraid to look at my phone

your daddy's in the comments like trying to get you like to move along your handler annoys the fuck out of me like there's something better to do in the world than talk to me fucking hate that can you believe we're gonna get back on tonight yeah hey what do i have to do this is off subject what do i have to do to prepare for tonight like there's so much shit in that thread there was a bunch of screen much jr and i specifically have not spoken to each other the past 48 hours so that we will have plenty to discuss on the show tonight okay and and um what has there's some shit that's been released i should have the floor plans for the quarter

finals yeah you should look at those okay so some and where are those on dot com or those on instagram both they're all over the place. And you, and I put an article up with the barbell spin this morning. Okay. That's a followup to the one that we wrote a few weeks ago. And I'm hopeful that I'll have another, let me see, actually if this guy emailed me yet. So we have, we have the article on spin. We have the floor plan. We know what the equipment is going to be relative just to that equipment list

that came out a few months ago. Right? Yeah. We have equipment lists list but they i mean a majority of the equipment that will be needed for the quarterfinals is on the floor layouts and i will actually be putting up another instagram post here shortly that i think we should lead with the the spin article and this other one i'm going to put up because there looks back at the open and then we transition forward into the quarterfinals from there. Brian, thank you for being honest and vulnerable. I appreciate and respect you even more now. I don't respect you for whatever that you're wearing on top. If that's like a biker's jersey, I don't respect that.

Oh, look at Sam Briggs' post, okay? And then we'll touch on other stuff. Like, I'll ask you stuff like, hey, is there anyone that didn't make it? Sam Briggs' post is just, she's not doing the quarterfinals. They may want to look at the predictions that she made for the workouts, but I'd rather hear what jr thinks uh people are so horny for uh airtime sorry let me read people are so horny they'll talk about ruining a great sentence with the last two words of it and then from 2000 when you moved from uh florida after you left uh crossfit redline or opex redline

where did you go you moved straight to chicago no i then i spent about i probably about a year mostly living out of my car, but not like that. Like I would, I just packed up what I could fit in my car, which is, you know, camping supplies, some training equipment, clothes, et cetera. And I would drive around and visit people for a month or two at a time or, and then after that, mostly, basically about a year of doing that, I ended up back in Chicago. And when you say back in Chicago, why, when were you there? I lived, I lived here. I gave my first 18 years of life. Yeah. But I mean, fuck you.

When you went to Dominican Republic for two years, and then you went to Texas and then you went to Florida. I mean, it's like, okay, fine. I'll let you get away with that. So you moved back to Chicago and when you moved there,. I mean, it's like, okay, fine. I'll let you get away with that. So you moved back to Chicago. And when you moved there, who lives there? Your mom lived there at the time? No.

No. During that time. Who was there? Why would you go there? I don't get why you would go to such a shithole. I mean, Chicago is a world. My dad was renting a place here that I could stay at. He wasn't living here at the time.

So I had, like I said, I've just been driving around a bunch and, um, I was up in, in this area anyway. And I asked, is that his apartment you're in right now?

No. Oh, that would be contradictory to the independence from him that I'm seeking. Does your dad still have a place in Chicago? Yes. God, your dad's a baller. Your dad has a fucking place in Chicago.

Just a place. Mm-hmm. Wow, what an interesting life you live. Okay, so you move there and you immediately get a job at a CrossFit gym? No. I was writing my books and screenplays at that time, and I was doing that pretty seriously. Screenplay about what? It's just the screenplays of that time. And I was doing that pretty seriously. Screenplay about what? It's just the screenplays of the books that I was writing.

What books were you writing? Well, we haven't talked about those. I, at one time was writing an autobiography, but these are more of a fantasy adventure novels is if they ever finished them, there'll be a series of four,

but only the first one is done right now. why don't you release the first one i haven't found the editor that i'm comfortable with yet okay and um so then um and then you were already turning them adapting them to movies i originally wrote them as a screenplay the first one then someone told me i needed to make it into a book so i did that and then i started writing the second one as a book, but then I also wrote this, the template for the screenplay. And I wrote the outline for the third and fourth one, but I haven't really filled them out yet. Are you comfortable with the screenplay format?

Yeah. I mean, I've just kind of taught myself how to do it, but it was fine. You used to come use a screenplay software or you use just, I had bought a screenwriting software or you use just – I had bought a screenwriting software, yeah. Oh, shit. Look at you. Wow. Holy shit.

And so you're there and you were – how are you making money if you were fucking smoking weed and chasing a dream? I wasn't smoking weed at this point you know uh and i was i don't know what your dream i'm chasing i mean i i had a little bit of money still and um from the teaching and stuff coaching and um i had worked a little bit part-time throughout the year when i was traveling around and then then, uh, yeah, I was coming to the gym here, the PFT and working out. And I asked him if I could just like coach part-time to offset the training that I was doing there. And, um, they said, well, actually we've been looking to hire someone full-time and you're at the top of our list. Wow. They offered me a job there. Brian, in 2013, when you walked into that room holding flowers, then you went five years abstaining. Did you ever have to, like someone ever in those five years lean in to kiss you and you turned your head away?

I don't really think so. I didn't put myself in those situations during that time. And who, what was the circumstance that you... I think I got to go for this other podcast now, unfortunately. What was the circumstance that you were intimate in that occurred? There was a friend of mine in a place that I was living that I think there was a natural sexual tension between us. And it was the last night I was going to be there. And I invited her over and I always say broke the seal.

And was that scary? No. Why did you decide that night to break the seal? I just felt that it would have been, if she was up for it, I felt like it was worth it to do it before I left. Because I probably wouldn't see her again. But I think that that tension had been there for basically the entire, since I met her.

And that was the only one time you hooked up with that girl? Yeah. And that was the only one time you hooked up with that girl? Yeah. Does she know that she broke the seal? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You didn't tell her?

I got to go, unfortunately. Where are you going? I have that other show. Oh, is it live? No, but it's at noon and there's five people on it. Oh. All right. Send me a link.

I'll come over with you. To be continued if you want. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Brian Friend, three hours. You're a good dude. Bye-bye. bruh bruh I'm surprised Andrew Hiller doesn't just jump on where's Andrew you got

five people in that photo Chuck Carswell and a baby. Ethan, Ethan Bonin, Bonin, Ethan Bonin, Scott Peterson, the two lovely kids,

partner deuce. I don't know. I don't know if part deuce. That was an amazing episode. Thank you. Hashim, Al Madani Hashim his life is a movie script

no one would believe what are your thoughts on Jesus he's fucking a G I love him hope he's real. I don't give a look. I don't give a about you. I just feel it would be inappropriate. Yeah, there you go. Thank you. I feel like it would be inappropriate if I just left right now.

But I think I just heard the garage door open. I mean, someone's about to get some. I think my wife's teaching a class in the garage right now. Let's see. Let's see. I'll give it. I'll give it. I'll give it. I'll give it. I'll give it. let's see I need more sound effects dude I'm reading the craziest fucking book right now I'm reading so much good shit right now

I can't even believe it I am so I'm reading so much good shit right now. I can't even believe it. I was getting what's cool, too, is I talked to Brian about a bunch of this stuff off the air. You know, you think about these people who come on this show. And in the in the line, they have to straddle kind of like people like him i kind of think about it it's like the guy who wore the ceo shirt to his gym and his lesbian coach said i'm homophobic like you got to deal with fucking morons like that

it's fucking nuts but um i appreciate people like brian who just like straddle the line like especially when i know they have super high values and high morals and high standards uh because um and high standards because I guess in the most superficial sense, it validates where I stand. You probably don't know this. I was talking to Brian about this last night. You probably don't know that the leading cause of polio in the world today

comes from people getting the injection. Probably don't know that. But you do now. And you can find it everywhere if you go to page two of Google. Imagine that. And so then it makes you think, I don't even know if I should go here right now. I was just reading this AP article about it. I've opened this can of worms, man. It's so unsettling how so many smart people are duped, but you don't have to look far. I'm just

telling you, you don't have to look far and you don just telling you, you don't have to look far and you don't have the, you don't, you're going to realize that the conspiracy theory is the truth or is, is what you think is your truth is the conspiracy theory. Oh my God, Philip, you're a fucking, uh, mind reader. So I'm torn between going for just the crazy fucking old guy look, like just keep going down this path, or shaving. Every day is a fucking battle. It could happen any day now. Just fucking, just shave. I was thinking, I haven't shaved with like a straight razor in forever, and I kind of want to do it.

And just get that complete baby face and shave my head. There you go. Yeah, bald is beautiful. Buzz it. I know. I should cut it myself, too, because it's one of those goals I've had in life. Buzz it on your birthday. That's not a a bad idea my kids would love to do that that's a good question dude jeffrey i am so fucked because of my arm i can't i have not this is the longest when i was 23 years old i did my

first pull-up i think i was high on ecstasy or MDMA. And I did a pull-up and I've never gone, I don't think, a week in my life since then without doing a pull-up. Pulling is my jam. It's one of those things that defined me when I was finally able to do it. And this is the longest I've ever gone in my life without being able to do a pull-up. I tried to do one pull-up yesterday. I tried all the grips and just this fucking bicep dude is so fucked up and it hurts so bad. So my workouts are crazy limited. I can't like crazy limited right here. I mean, it doesn't hurt to the touch,

but if I flex, it feels like something in there is going to pop or break. It's crazy. So I don't know. I've been doing just like silly shit. I just don't want to fuck my knee up or my legs up now. I don't think it is tendonitis. It happened when I was lowering a 70 pound dumbbell as slow as i can something happened in there yeah dumb old and dumb no it's got to just go away it eventually just has to go away and i just keep fucking exacerbating it it's got to go away at some point can't be can't go on

like this forever but i can do push-ups and bench press and i've been doing a lot more sit-ups and leg lifts and crunches and i've been doing just shit that like i never do that shit so just causing me just to do some other shit i just don't want to overwork out my legs that's what i'm concerned about like then i'm gonna start squatting and lunging and shit every day fuck myself there and deadlifts it It will heal, but it will take months. Yeah. I feel like it's been months. Katie Gannon.

I now understand why loyalty and honesty is so crucial for Brian. I think on the next episode, Katie, he's going to come on and tell us that none of the shit he said was true. That's what I suspect. Episode two with Brian Friend. I want to first begin with everything I told you in episode one was a lie. Not so much a lie, but like I told you, I'm a story writer.

I told you I'm a story writer. These earthlings, these earthlings telling you if you're having kids, don't get them. Don't get them injected. Don't eat them processed food. I'm starting to see the whole picture now. Go ahead and Google it.

Leading cause of polio today. Just Google it anywhere. You'll find the answer really quick. It's coming from the vaccine. And the truth is, since they brought out the vaccine, it's always come from the vaccine. Because polio was gone almost completely before the vaccine came out. But it would take you fucking 20 minutes to figure that out using the internet.

Or you can go to chapter 46. I'm actually going to post it here in a minute on my Instagram. You can go to chapter 46 of The the moth and the iron lung in a nutshell it happened like this you ready fuck yeah they still give that shit i'm telling you the the the polio vaccine is the leading cause of vaccine of polio on the planet right now today no one's hiding that you can go to the ap and associated press and see it the only way you get polio today on planet earth i don't know if it's the only way but it's the number one way is from fucking getting the vaccine and then people fucking get polio people die from that shit every year from getting the fucking polio vaccine no

one's hiding it anymore but what's crazy is they fucking tricked us the whole fucking time. The exact same way they tricked us with fucking COVID. It's like the playbook all over again. Oh, it's so bad. It's so fucking crazy. And there's no baseline because everyone's taken it. There's no baseline. Everyone's taken it,

you know? And so until, and that's what, that's the thing. If you start interviewing doctors, there'll be these doctors who work with fucking the, the wing nut, you know,

Christian families like mine, whose kids haven't been vaccinated. And they're like, Oh, now we see it. Cause if you see the fucking baseline, these fucking kids are different than the other kids it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a different game so 1890 gypsy moth comes from europe to the united states lands i forget where did uh fucking

delaware vermont or one of those tiny penner states up there starts destroying the fucking crops this is 1890 big big scary thing the reason why they bring the gypsy moth is uh it's uh originally to the united states is it's after the civil war there's a shortage of cotton and i guess you can take the cocoons from these gypsy moths, boil them in water, and then unravel the cocoon into one huge piece of thread. mass thread yeah i guess silk because there was a shortage of cotton because the north had just kicked the shit out of the south and the north one the abolitionists the republicans the ones that didn't have slaves not a one in case you you forgot about that too and uh these moths started getting out of these experiment chambers. They escaped. The moths escaped. The moths escaped, and they started destroying the crops, and it became very, very scary. And the caterpillars and you would walk down the street and you could slip and fall on just because there were so many dead caterpillars from people walking and horses running them over that you could slip and fall just on the carnage.

People would go to bed at night and wake up and their fucking crops would be gone. That's how bad it was. So they started spraying arsenic and lead on all the crops. Yes. There you go, Eric. Now you see it. Now you see it. They escaped. And so they started spraying all the crops with arsenic and lead in massive, massive high doses.

And guess what that did? That killed all the fucking moths. And so they started trying to get ahead of it and they started trying to spray they started not they're trying in 1890 the u.s government made it so that you had to spray all the crops in the country with um because it was for the good of mankind ready for this it was for the good of mankind to spray all the crops with arsenic and lead because that way the worms wouldn't spread. So even if you didn't have the caterpillars in your area, they still sprayed all your crops by law with arsenic and lead. And by the way, at that time also in the United States, a medicine – this book is talking about how almost all medicine had mercury in it.

Another fucking side story of insanity. had mercury in it another fucking side story of insanity and so they started spraying all the crops and this went on for years and years and years and uh eventually that they they realized that this arsenic and this lead was killing people and it was killing lots of people and it was killing specifically lots of kids and also what it was doing is it was on all the fruits and vegetables and they couldn't clean it you couldn't clean it off and so people were dying so they outlawed that shit in europe i forget what year but early i want to say like right at the turn of the century they outlawed that shit in europe not in the united states they doubled down the the insecticide companies bought doctors and lawyers and they bought the fucking fda

go figure and they kept spraying that shit and what eventually started happening not only were kids dying but it was destroying the binome or whatever destroying people's guts and then it was causing shit in your gut to cross the uh the gut blood You don't want that. That's leaky gut. You can just Google, I'll Google it for you real quick. You can just Google leaky gut. That's the reason why you don't want leaky gut because you don't want bacteria and shit that's in your stomach. A leaky gut syndrome is a theory that the intestinal permeability is not only a symptom of gastrointestinal disease, but an underlying that develops meaning you get leaky gut oh it even says here how do you fix leaky gut but basically just stop eating fucking processed foods

it's a medical mystery so um so they switched to ddt which they thought was a fucking miracle. They're like, okay, arsenic and lead is killing people. We're going to switch to fucking – and by the way, at the time, polio is spreading rampant throughout the country and the world. And they can't figure out – there's no rhyme or reason to it. They can't fucking figure it out. They can't figure it out. There will be clusters of breakouts in different areas that they can't make any rhyme or reason over. So they switch to DDT because at some point they realize arsenic and lead is poisonous, and they think DDT is going to save them, and DDT ends up being even worse.

And not only do they think DDT is the savior, but they start – Sherman Williams puts DDT in all their paints. So when you paint your houses, it keeps bugs away. They sprinkle the powder in all the babies' clothes. And guess what happened to polio during those times? Skyrockets. And in 1952, they stopped spraying all these crops with all these fucking poisons guess what happens the moth and the iron lung you got to read the book it's a great book uh dissolving illusions if you're going to have kids go figure it out out take care of yourself no one else is gonna take

care of you for you matter of fact they're gonna ridicule for you for it they're gonna say shit like it's conspiracy theory the conspiracy theory was that spraying your crops with fucking poison was a good idea and

tis not tis not a good idea to eat poison arsenic lead what's crazy is it wasn't until i think in the 70s they made it illegal to use ddt on crops and it wasn't until 98 that they really finally outlawed arsenic and lead although it wasn't being used i guess arsenic and lead on crops uh homer simpson the leaky juice reached the brain at cfhq media department and what's so sad yeah the moth and the iron lung what's so sad is it's easy read great historical read great stuff in there about roosevelt makes me want to read his biography four-term president got got polio they don't know how

man so many fucking kids died unnecessarily so fucked up i was at the skate park yesterday that the irony of this and there was no one there except a mom and her two kids. And they were twins and they were three years old. And we just had a small reprieve in the rain, so I take a push from there and a leaf blower and I try to get the water out of the park so that my kids can skate. skate and i'm there talking to the mom and the mom tells me right in front of her kids that one of her kids has a learning disability and he has some sort of speech impediment and she tells me that they couldn't get him to a speech pathologist because they didn't in the last year because they didn't have a vaccine for her kids. And the pathologist wouldn't see kids who weren't vaccinated. They couldn't use the resource unless their kids are vaccinated because the resource comes from the school.

And I'm thinking the fucking irony of this, right? She can't take her kid to see the speech pathologist because they didn't have a vaccine for three-year-olds yet when she wanted to take it. So I gently say to her, I said, ma'am, you know that there's 12 or 13 studies out there that show that more than 51% of kids learning on how to pronounce words and to speak comes from lip reading and not actually listening. She goes, oh, yeah, I'm very familiar with those studies. Very cool, right? And I'm like, yeah. And it's like she was just telling me about how her kid has some speech issues. And obviously she's bought into the system.

If she's waiting to get her kid the fucking injection, her three-year-old. It's like, dude, connect the fucking dots. But what are you going to do? Brian, did you go? Brian's not here anymore. Brian, did you go to rehab in Florida? I know a great guy in recovery named Terry. I'm wondering if it's him.

Molly Stewart. Brian's gone sorry so does that mean this lady is listening to the podcast from an hour ago is that what happened all right well thanks guys Fun show. Brian's awesome. And he will be back on tonight with Mr. J.R. Howell. I think that shows at six. okay have a good day love someone it's always fun to do see y'all tonight buh-bye