The Sevan Podcast - #838 - CrossFit Games Quarterfinals w/ Friend & Howell

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

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Like personalities in this space. So in April. Oh. Were you like, hey, I don't really smoke weed anymore. I don't really do that. I was just like. I just sent a laughing face. Yeah.

Ha ha. Yeah. Let them wonder. more i don't really do that i was just like i just sent a laughing face yeah haha yeah let them wonder how are they late they are late um start the show hillary yeah he actually hillary could have done that yeah because you're not doing your part hillary um my power went out here and uh yeah did you nap after our show today brian no time did you nap after our show today jr yes did you really nap today no absolutely not i wish caleb did you nap yeah i woke up just now. The power's back on. My wife's gone.

I'm like, what happened? She's like, dude, you are out. Excuse me. The quarterfinals are here. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I listened to this podcast with Adrian and Chase. And if you go... Uh-oh.

Not you, you sporty Beth. Uh, if you go to the, uh, 41 minute mark, five or six minutes left and switch this in my opinion. Um, but an easy way to think about it is basically the regions that have more

athletes. Adrian Bosman says an easy way to understand the worldwide rankings. That will be my top 100. It would be more likely to get more spots awarded for their qualifying. Adrian Bosman says an easy way to understand the worldwide rankings. That more people that get into that worldwide rankings, top 100 in your region, the more people you will have go to the CrossFit games. So let me say that one more time. The more people in the worldwide ranking top 100 in your region, the more people that you've already had who've attended the crossfit games meaning that without stating that what adrian just said it is completely out of context

because there are regions that have haven't represented in the past at the crossfit games and you will not be represented at the crossfit games because to get enough points to go to the crossfit games you had to have already been at the crossfit games and one of those regions is africa i just just want to be super duper fucking clear about that it's weird to uh it's weird to mention um things out of out of uh context we have the We have the, we have the, don't look at the burning house. Just look at the hedges. Yeah.

Okay, fine. I know. I told myself to be cool, be cool, savvy, be cool. And I am excited. And when I heard him talking about the layout for the quarterfinals this

year, I am really excited. I think it's cool that they gave the layouts first. Have they ever done that before? Yes. Yep. Yeah. Well,

this, I guess this is the closest I've ever been, or I don't remember, but I think it's really cool. Do you guys like this? They, they, they put out the layouts and they let us kind of pontificate on, on what, what the future could hold. Yeah. I mean, as fun as it is just to guess what we think the open workouts would be. I think it would be even more fun if we got floor plans. Some would say maybe the open would be more fun without floor plans at all. Some would say maybe the open would be more fun without floor plans at all.

Oh, is that what Brian says? Adrian addressed that on the podcast this morning as well, to some degree. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I think getting the floor plans a few days before, I mean, there's possibilities are endless, but you see some things like you see a rower and you know, you're probably not going to be using it for lateral burpees. You could be doing it for you. You could be using it for sumo deadlift. Hey, this is a very interesting, uh, Barry McCockner dollar 99 donation for JR's lipstick. You know what I was thinking, Barry is when they made that crash crucible shirt,

they put a picture of JR on there and you know, in Photoshop how you grab the pen to match a color well they fucking match that writing to the color of uh the affiliate owner's lips and now you know jib mccockner cracked the code for the color a great joke that was thank you uh jr loves this look at jr flexes a little bit stop looking at my lips stop looking at my lips oh yeah floor for floor plans uh corbano floor plans equal uh anxiety let's fucking go so i can't read you jr we do we like do you like the floor plans yeah i love that they give them to us okay good makes it a lot easier for me to start taping the floor a few

days before all the athletes that walk in and expect the floors to be taped and cameras to be set up and clocks to be ready to go. What about the athlete side to you? That's the kind of the affiliate owner side of you. What about the athlete inside of you? Oh yeah. I think if you're an intelligent athlete or hopefully you have intelligent coaches, you're able to at least maybe put some final touches on what you think possibly movement combinations could be that are coming out. And it just gives you a little bit more peace of mind, a little bit more confidence going in. Uh, Mr. Friend. I just, I like JR's

idea of what, you know, what would it look like to just drop the floor plan for each open workout on the Monday before that week of the open? I think that might be a cool thing to try. So, and then on Thursday show the workout pattern that they have for quarterfinals, just do it week by week for the open. I think that would be a fun way to, I mean, if you just drop a dumbbell on a jump rope on Monday before 23.1, a lot of people would be like, Oh, dumbbell and jump jump rope i could probably do that yeah yeah okay okay i like it uh next year i think we're gonna see it next year makes it make sense would there be any reason why no no no no no not yeah because they never do the ideas that we talk about one year after it's always two or three years after okay okay okay two or three years um there is

something else he says interesting in the podcast that i want to make sure i point out um the pundits have been taking some shots at crossfit in regards to the fact that they're they're bragging that they have 110 000 new um people sign up for the open but only like 20 or 30 000 more than last year so that basically they've lost 80,000 people. But what Adrian also did say in that podcast was that they had the biggest re-sign up. He calls them repeats. I think what he means is that the new people from last year that did it again this year. There was the biggest return on first timers doing it a second time this year or a bigger one than there usually is. I think that's what he meant by that. Yeah, I think so too. Returning registrants. First time registrants or just registrants?

Second. I inferred from what he said that he meant second time, meaning 2022 is their first. The percentage of 2022 rookies that re-signed up in 2023 was higher than the normal rate. Retained participants. Okay, interesting. Okay.

So really, I can't do anything with that. Okay. All right, fine. Nevermind. Forget that. okay interesting okay so really i can't do anything with that okay all right fine never mind forget that i i i take back my uh compliment um okay no you could say uh that's a good thing well it is but it's not as good as i thought it was okay um okay uh should we just dig right in start just looking at the floor plans or actually before we do that give me an idea what of what's going on. Give me the layout here of what happens and who's going. It's the top 10%? Yeah, so it's the top 10% after the Open.

But looking back on the Open briefly, I think Brian had mentioned his Open Elite status. And a lot of people responded with some questions about what's the criteria to be an open elite. And I think he made a couple of posts recently on his Instagram about it. Okay, you want to start there? Okay, let's do that. And I couldn't understand the post. It was over my head. It was like Twitter talk to me.

It was like, oh, shit, I need this explained in way more words. Okay. Hence the picture of you I just sent to the group of us. Ah, okay. We are at Brian Friend CrossFit Instagram. There's a beautiful black and white graphic of the beautiful Jeffrey Adler and the even more beautiful Brooke Wells. It says the open 2021 to 2023 elite. And then Brian writes the open elite. The open elite.

What if I told you that over the last three seasons of open tests, there are only one man and one woman who meet the minimum requirements to be considered the open elite? So now we're all wondering what is the open elite? We need that defined. Thank you to Vans Schindelgadent for the awesome graphic to help depict this three-year study. Take your time scrolling through. Oh, geez. Doesn't he sound like an old person at an aquarium or something or a museum? Yeah, I should have put on my Paul McBeth polo and tucked it in for that part.

This is at your local American History Museum. Take your time scrolling through if this is a topic of interest. I appreciate how impressive it is to make this list even one year that there are very few who find a way to qualify twice in a row and that only these two have managed to to do i should just say to meet have managed to meet the threshold for every single open test oh you have the same um you have the same uh spell checker a proofreader that crossfit games uses that's cool oh my goodness and brookwell's uh commented on your post she did yeah and uh yeah so this is something that i started doing a while ago i think probably if

you scroll to the right you'll see this like the thresholds that I came up with for 2021. And you see the, in bold there, the number of athletes that met the requirement. So 134 is a low end, uh, for the women in 21.2. That means you had to be 134th or better in the world to qualify for that workout. And then, uh, 242 on that same workout is the upper threshold for the men. And it's, it's, I mean, I should, it's just, this is just me basically, uh, just picking it, picking those numbers based on the results from those workouts. And so I'm looking for more help than that. Like what, how did you get this? It is. I mean, basically what I'm telling you is it's somewhat arbitrary, but I'm looking for like a benchmark or a threshold of time reps or weight that is, you know, what I consider

to be elite. Like there's a, you know, and it has to be, you have to cut it off somewhere. I usually just cut it off at whole numbers. So in some cases, people miss this qualification by a couple pounds or a couple seconds or a couple reps in one workout. But I don't look at any athletes before I do that. I just look at the leaderboards and I say, oh, look, you know, there's 11, you know, whatever it says at nine minutes. And that's 173. And that's right in the thresholds, a nice round number. So that's what we're going to set the mark at for 21.3.

OK, give me a second here. So this is from two years ago. This is a 2021. If we theoretically, if we went to the leaderboard right now, we would look at the time 1330. Let's go to the right one page, one slide. If you scroll to the right, you'll see that for 2021, there was a group of athletes that met all four thresholds, those 10 men and those 14 women. And the left is their corresponding open rank. So those are the only ones that met the threshold for all of the marks in 2021. And in 2021, we had the barbell complex. So that strength test eliminated a lot of people.

Okay. Go back a slide again. I just, just to be, just to be clear. So all those names we just saw those 38 names of men and women's names, they all had 21.1. They were under 13 minutes and 30 seconds, 21.2. They were under 10 minutes and 30 seconds, 21.3. They were under nine minutes and same 21.4. He made an error here and he addressed it in the comments, but it should be the lift. And it was 300 pounds and 200 pounds were the benchmarks for men and women respectively. Okay. And wow.

Okay. And how did you do? So Brian, if I went to 21.1 on the leaderboard and I went to 1330, there'd be 164 names above. Yes. Oh, okay. Interesting. Okay. Wow. So many more women. It's always going to be, there are always going to be more women that meet the threshold, or at least for now are going to be more women that meet these thresholds than men because of

the thing that I regularly remind you of, which is just that there's a greater depth of field. So it's harder to be elite amongst the men's division and the women's division. God, I still need to, I feel like I need to know how you came up with these times. It's not that important. Okay. But anyway, if you scroll through, there's, if you want, so it's, if you want Brian friend to think you're elite, I mean, look, I'm like I said, I'm not considering any athletes performance in making these. I'm just looking and seeing what did the best in the world do? And about 150 were able to do this, this or this. Ah, I see.

Okay. Okay. Okay. And would I see those patterns right away if I went to the board? Or I'd be like, okay, he chose everyone. Yeah. Now the interesting thing here is these look like smaller numbers in terms of you had to be better to do them in 2022.

But if you scroll to the right, they're actually similar to even actually substantially more people who met those thresholds or marks. And it's interesting. It was really interesting to me doing that because a lot of people thought that the 2022 open was like catered to the non-elites. Like there was just very basic things that you had to do, but it turns out that the best in the world were also the best in the world at that. And there were quite a few who qualified that year,

but not that many that qualified two years in a row. What's it, what's the, um, the turquoise. Hmm. I just, I think the turquoise are the ones who made it to,

uh, who qualified twice. Um, okay. So my, but I think that I'm not sure you got the color, who made it to who qualified twice. Okay. So I think that I'm not sure you got the color colors perfectly here at the bottom there. It tells you who the ones were that qualified between 2021 and 2022 in the black. And I see Phil tunes on there.

You didn't boot them. It's very nice. You didn't, you didn't find a drug tester in the open. And who is a 29 on the women's side? This is Valentina Magliotti. Magliotti. She competed in Dubai this year.

Crossfitter from Italy. Isn't she good? If you get on this list one time, you're pretty good. Number 15, Addison Desrosiers. Who's that? She competes on a team frequently. Number four, Lori Clement. Yeah, we've talked about her before.

A master's age athlete, excels at the body weight open style workouts. All right. Number 15 on the men, Nicholas Anapolsky. Yeah, competed on a team that year as well. And then the rest of these guys are almost all uh individual right number six victor uh yeah we've talked we talked about him a lot last year when he's doing well during the open so yeah very high level and if you keep scrolling to the right you'll see the 2023 qualifiers and there's less than 2022 again the lift eliminates a lot those

are the thresholds and i was pretty generous with the lifting on this one but it still eliminated a lot of people uh emma carrie for example um and then you know there was that there were a few very few people who qualified at all this year and then of those people there were obviously less that qualified two years in a row and only one and one that qualified three years in a row. Let me see the list for 2023. Scroll over one more. And why so few this year? Which one did you, which, which, which number did you pick that, that screwed so many people?

I mean, even fourth place worldwide, Tyler Christoffel didn't make the list. It was very difficult on the men's side, especially almost everyone was eliminated, not even because of the lift, but because of either 23.1 or 23.2. Interesting. Okay. And, and, and the only two that were all three years are Brookwell's and Jeffrey Adler. Yeah. And I put all of their stats at the end of this slide because I just, you know, I think it's like, it's pretty cool to uh to you know to perform this well consistently amongst the worldwide population and basically a random collection of tests um uh blink three times if you're okay uh jr and caleb jr's like a cobra when he strikes

he's deadly oh i thought you're gonna say he's like a cobra he doesn't have eyelids no i was just i was thinking about how impressive it it was that Brooke was the only one that's on this list. And she was doing it while coming back from a major injury. That is incredible. And, and just in case anyone's wondering, Mal O'Brien barely missed on one of the tests from like maybe by 20 seconds or something in 2021. And Tia, if not pregnant, also likely would have qualified for this. But, you know, circumstances are what they are, and neither one of them did. I didn't see Medeiros on any of these lists.

It generally doesn't perform very well in the open relative to major live competitions. Is Vellner on any of these lists? No. And how do you choose whether you're going to go with Jeffrey or Jeff? I don't know okay cool uh it's going to be something we're going to be seeing on uh did you have you done this before i did write an article about it a couple years ago i had done one i think for 1920 and 21 and there were a few more athletes that made it across all three years maybe or there was only one male at that time i think there were a few more athletes that made it across all three years. Maybe, or there was only one male at that time.

I think there were three women. I'm going to, I'm going to do my own elite. 18, 19 and 20 would be cool. Cause it was the last three years. There were five weeks. You think there would be up?

I mean, rich makes it made it almost every year. He just didn't make it this year because of the lift. All right. Okay, anything else before we talk about what's happened? What's happened in the season and where we're going, like kind of where we're at? I think we're good.

All right. So everyone knows the CrossFit Open goes, or the CrossFit Games goes from the Open to the quarterfinals to the semifinals to the Games. Last year there was a stop between semifinals and the Games that was called the Last Chance Qualifier. I believe that is gone. Is that correct? It's correct. And so right now we just finished the open uh the one of the cool things about crossfit it is uh super duper low barrier of entry everyone in the world

could enter it's a massive net it's not like the olympics there's no politics involved that hurt to say that and uh uh anyone can enter you pay your 2020 and you do it. And so we got all the scores. We got all the rankings. And we know that out of those 300,000, obviously there's different categories. We're just talking about individual right now, correct? Individual men, individual women that everyone is able to enter. And so we take the top 10%. How many people were there? How many women and how many men were there in the individual?

Do we know a total or do we know quarterfinals do we know either of those numbers i guess we could figure out we know how many people like how many invites were sent out or how many people yeah like how many men in the world qualified for the quarterfinals oh uh i don't know if the world i'm sure helping has the worldwide i just have it by region here in front of me. Okay. But it's... Do you have a rough number for the men and rough number for the women? Is it like 20,000 in each? It's like 18 to 19,000.

It's probably 19,000 for the men, substantially less for the women. Okay. So basically... Maybe like 19 and 15,000. Okay. So if you're in that top 10% of the open, uh, uh,

so that, that would be that 190,000 men entered in 150,000 women. They take the top 10%. And now where are we? What happens? Did these people get an email saying you have now qualified for the quarter finals? Yeah.

I think emails were sent out at some point today and today is that what you said they were sent out yeah i think they were sent out yesterday when the floor plans came out did you get one jr i thought i still thought it was monday yeah okay and everyone gets the same one all the men all the women doesn't matter how good you are how bad you are if you made it into that you got an email yeah and it doesn't matter if you're going to be competing team like adrian said on there you know they're not they're not going to sift through and just not send to people that they know are already going to be on team if if they want to sign up and do the test they're going to be factored in you know from all angles and then also too like masters and

teens so if you were good enough to qualify on the individual side for quarterfinals they don't take into account your age either okay at least for the masters brian i don't know if that's true for teens if they're even allowed to do that or not 16 17 yes okay okay here we go top 10 of athletes 25 for the teams let me see if they got the numbers here thank you justin i'm scrolling down now it looks like the quarterfinals is going to be three days long uh five workouts one or two workouts are due every 24 hours uh teams and age group have two days and and four workouts and those will not be this week those will be in the subsequent weeks coming up.

Yeah, teams and age groupers have four tests instead of five. Oh, it's interesting. They have the individual broken down here. Yeah, that's what I was looking at to do the quick math. I didn't see the total number, but just did a little mental math. It's time I get a haircut. Did Tia qualify? Mm-hmm.

Crazy. I wonder if she does it. Seems like she's probably going to. Fergie says Tia is a saint. Okay. So now – so this happens. So they gave an equipment list a few months ago, so we know all the equipment that's going to be used.

It could potentially be used. Potentially be used. And equipment could be used twice right just because we saw in the open doesn't mean we we cross it off the list yeah and we speculated that that might be the case because there were some elements that were included in the open that were not not there the volume was very low like a double unders for example and and then and then the and then now the floor plans were released and the actual workouts will start to begin to be released on this Thursday, March 16th. Well, I think at this point we're expecting all of them to be released on Thursday.

Yeah, they'll all be released on Thursday at 12 Pacific. And the first window, 24-hour hour window will be Thursday to Friday. And at that time, they'll have to have tests one and two scores submitted, but that doesn't mean that they may have not already done tests three, four, and five. So each 24 hour window, they have two scores due, two scores due. And then the last 24 hour window, they have one score they have to submit. But the order at which they do them is still kind of left up to the athlete. So, so on the 16th, we think that that's the case there, there were indications earlier in the year that that might not be the case and

that they would release the workouts two at a time, 24 hours, two more, 24 hours, one more, which I thought would have been a positive change. There's still the potential that they will release all the workouts, but they might do something like give a password and the password might passwords for the workouts might only be released at specific times. So they might say, here are all five workouts. The password for workout one is Johnny and the password workout two is a tree. And you will tell you the passwords for workout three and four 24 hours from now. And if they did something like that, they could still potentially force them to be done in a specific order, which I think some people are in favor of and some people are not in favor of.

But we don't know. know so so if we're if what jr is saying is correct and they release all the workouts on the 16th then you're saying that there is a chance that someone could do uh workout number five and three and submit those that basically you just have to at least submit two on the 16th yes someone so you know for example oh we don't know let's say that i'm going out of town on friday evening and i'm just like well i have i don't have I'm not going to be around this Sunday, Saturday, Sunday to do any workouts. So I'm just going to do them all from Thursday when I get them until Friday, before I leave, I'll submit one and two when I have to. And the others I've already have them done and I'll submit them when they're due. Interesting. And will they be reviewing these in real time? So let's say you do workouts on the 16th and they tell you,

Hey, you know, in your deadlifts, you weren't standing up all the way. Will you have a chance to redo it? Yeah, you could have a chance. And that's a point that's usually driven home in the last couple of years, like by Adrian and others that, Hey, the sooner you get your scores in the leaderboard is blind. So the, the, the sooner you get your scores in and you upload videos, if there are any issues or you have any questions, there's still time. But if you wait until the deadline is approaching, there's not a whole lot they can do as far as saying, Oh yeah, actually we couldn't see you completely in the frame or all of your GHD wasn't in the frame. And this is going to be an invalid video.

Would you I'm guessing then the recommendation is, is like, hey, if you're going to submit videos, submit them early and submit them to YouTube so that if people are going to talk shit, if people see you doing fucked up shit, they'll bring attention to it. Don't be afraid. Well, I know in the past when you submit a score yeah there's just a place for you to post you know for you to copy a link to the video doesn't matter if it's private or public so you can you can go ahead and do it when you submit the score or you can wait for them to ask for a video but chances are if you're planning on making it you should just submit the video when you submit the score i guess my thing is is you could submit a video and they could not have time to check it.

And then they check it after it closes. Yeah, I don't think that there's any guarantee that they'll look at it ahead of time. And honestly, they're not going to look at a majority of the participants' videos anyway. But if you have a time that's competitive to win, then they might look at it. But again, there's no prize money in the quarterfinals. There's nothing that you, you know, in the open, the top five people plus the winner every week get paid out something. So there's like a reason for them to review those videos.

And quite frankly, it doesn't matter if you're the best scorer on all five workouts and you're Justin Medeiros, there's still not any real reason for them to review your video. Like it's like, yeah, whatever. He's going to, we know he's going to semifinals, whatever. on all five workouts and you're Justin Medeiros, there's still not any real reason for them to review your video. It's like, yeah, whatever. We know he's going to semifinals, whatever. The only reason would be if they were catching flack from the outside. Well, so here's the thing.

And I spoke about this. I didn't speak about it here, actually. But I have been having this thought. Oh, Brian. Oh, Brian. Oh, Brian. What? He's getting his podcast confused. Well, I mean, we were on for three hours this morning. You're getting your pod with those. Oh, I'm sorry, Brian. Oh, Brian. What? He's getting his podcast confused. Well, I mean, we were on for three hours this morning.

You're getting your pod with those. Oh, I'm sorry, Brian. Your picture's broken. Oh, we lost Brian. Oh, there he's back for a second. Thank you for humbling me, Salah. I was talking about this with some people earlier, and the fact that for the Open, outside you know outside of the top five the money winners

it's not very relevant for the elite athletes because making it to quarterfinals is an afterthought and for those people honestly making the semifinals is an afterthought as well for the bottom 70 80 percent of the open the quarterfinals is also irrelevant because they have no chance to make it but there's a group of of people, maybe like, let's say the 20,000 men made it. So, you know, 5,000 on either side of that, like a group of 10,000 men that don't know when they enter the Open if they're good enough to make it or not. And that's the population that CrossFit has to ask a question of themselves. Do we care about these people?

Because those are the people that care the most about the Open because it is the make or break for them of if they get to meet their goal for the year, which is making quarterfinals. I know for a fact that there are people that are going, that are registered for quarterfinals that, that did zero open workouts. They didn't even do them. They just put scores in that were competitive enough to make the cut and no one asked for their videos and no one asked to check them and they're going to do the quarterfinals. It's embarrassing from a personal perspective that people would do that, but it's also embarrassing from an organizational perspective that people could get away with it. Let me just say this real quick in their defense. There's no way of stopping that. There's no way of stopping it. And so it completely delegitimizes the advancing process

of the quarterfinals, you know, because I'm trying to make it and I wasn't good enough this year, but I know that there's people that may or may not be better than me that just put in bullshit scores to make it through and no one's holding them accountable to that. But there is no way to hold them accountable. That's the problem. It's not, that's not CrossFit's fault. I mean, CrossFit needs to reevaluate if that's something that they want to be condoning or supporting or encouraging well they would have to change the whole whole entry process there's no way you could have enough people to talk about before yeah okay right so

they've created a system that's unmanageable on their end is what i'm saying if you want it to be legit okay that's fair yeah at the quarterfinal stage it's not the Justin Medeiros' and the Brooke Wells' of the world that really matter. We know they're going to be well within the threshold to make it. And again, there's thousands of people that register that have no chance to make it at all. But on the cut line, 30, 60, or 120, or I guess it's only 30 or 60 now, depending on what competitive region you're in, there are a group of 20 to 30 athletes on both sides of that line. And those are the people for whom the quarterfinals is critical. And it is a major, major goal for that group of athletes to qualify for a semifinal,

just like it used to be to qualify for a regional. Additionally, because of what you said at the start of the podcast, if you don't make the semifinals, you're capped at 3000 points that you can earn in a season. As soon as you make the semifinal, your ceiling for points earning potential skyrockets. Now you might not get very many if you don't do well in the semifinal anyway, but at least you have a chance to. So if I'm, if I'm, uh, an athlete that's participating in quarterfinals, I don't care if you review Pat Vellner's videos, who cares? There's literally nothing on the line for him. He doesn't win any money. He doesn't get any recognition for winning any individual workout. Maybe I'll get an

Instagram post on CrossFit games or whatever. But if I'm athlete 50, 51, 52, 60, 61, 62, I'm bound to know for sure that these videos are being reviewed and that that guy who's 59 is better than me if I'm 61 and that he did it legit. You would hit them up. Those are the videos that need to be being reviewed. If you're in the last 10 qualifiers in your competitive region or the first 10 out, especially the last 10 in, every one of your

videos should be being looked at. At least with an overview and glance. Carlos Ernesto, I agree with Brian. I glance, uh, Carlos Ernesto. Uh, I agree with Brian. It could, I could have lied and added two reps to my 23.2 way and make it to the quarterfinal.

I didn't do it. I know people who did, and they're on the quarterfinal. One of my friends is even on steroids and he's in the quarterfinals. Asshole. Okay. Um, we should do, we should do a show on this that it's it's interesting because if they want it to be a massive movement of a school of fish it's going to be i don't i don't see a an easy solution but but yeah i mean look we and someone should probably come up with all that we

want but you know there but there are limitations. There are metrics that CrossFit HQ and the games team, the internal team that Adrian always talks about are looking at that we don't know about. So we could have that conversation and come up with solutions that seem like they're great, but absent the information that they have, we might be coming up with a futile solution anyway. Right. Okay.

you know, we might be coming up with a futile solution anyway. Right. Okay. So then, um, so this, let me just go back to the scheduling, uh, real quick. So they'll, on, uh, they released the floor plan on March 16th at noon Pacific time. Um, sorry, I know you went over this once, Gerald, already at noon, they give all five workouts. When is, when are the first two workouts due? What friday at noon so the 17th at noon correct and then two more are due on the 18th at noon and then two more are due on the 19th at noon one will be due on the last window the fifth workout okay and we don't know once again what the order will be or if there will be an order hopefully they'll give some clarity on that uh on by noon on the 16th there's a chance they won't they might just have becky harsh come on and go you know what to do you know how to enter a score right yeah i mean i think everyone that

got an email on monday will get another email on th saying, welcome to quarterfinals. Here are your tests. The first two scored tests will be due no later than Friday at noon. Go for it. Because they know a lot of people will wait until they see the workouts before they sign up. You can sign up all the way up until the closing of the first scoring window. So like that, which is also true for the open.

Right. So you can sign up all the way which is also true for the open. Yeah. So you can sign up all the way to March 17th at 1159. Yeah. Okay. I think it's also worth mentioning for anyone who's, you know, doing quarterfinals or, or potentially frustrated with this,

this timing of it, that it's a global competition. So that 12 PM is specific time. And you have 24 hours from that time to submit your workouts. But for some people, that's midnight. They're asleep. And for some people, it's 3 a.m., 6 a.m., or 9 o'clock in the morning the next day. But from whenever that moment is, you have 24 hours to do it.

And if you're good enough to be participating in the quarterfinals, you and or your coach should have already been thinking about that and planned out a way that you can, you know, do these workouts or a place that you can go to do these workouts that are not interfering with classes or whatever else. And yet for some people that might have to be late at night or early in the morning, or they might have to take an afternoon off of work, but you know, if you want to participate in it, it's not, it wasn't not unknown. It's not like that's surprising. And this is the third year that we're doing it. So you should be prepared for that. Okay.

How many people will go from the quarterfinals to the semifinals? 300 men, 300 women. From each region? No. All together. In the world. Wow. Okay.

And then, and then from there to the games, it's 40 and 40. Correct. And we don't know that for to the games, it's 40 and 40. Correct. And we don't know that for sure. We're just guessing from last year. And we know that. They've already said that. Yeah. There are 23 pre-distributed spots and 17 that will be allocated between quarterfinals and semifinals to get to a total of 40. And the, um, those, how many, uh, of these, uh, semifinals are there? Seven.

Correct. So seven. So they all don't have the same amount of participants. How many of these semifinals are there? Seven. Seven, correct. So they all don't have the same amount of participants. North America East, West, and Europe have 60 men and 60 women. The other four have 30 each. Okay. Wow, these could be really amazing events. Yeah, I think that the North American semifinals and the European semifinals are going to be extremely competitive and extremely entertaining. The only caveat to that is CrossFit has yet to announce or release what the format that those 60-person competitions is or the format that they will, you know, take place as. So there are,

you know, I'm hopeful that they've thought that through well, and that they have a good plan in place for how to do that. I have my own speculations and opinions, but you know, those competitions are four days long, whereas the ones with only 30 men and 30 women are three days long. So there is already a built in additional time to accommodate those athletes because there's also more teams competing in those competitions. 40 teams, I believe 40 teams with the 60 individuals. So that's, you know, to Brian's point, it's makes you wonder, is everyone going to compete four days? Are the teams going to start Thursday and be done on Saturday? And then the individuals start on Friday and be done on Sunday. How are they going to stagger everything? Are they going to stagger everything

are they going to cut are they not going to cut you know with four days they could potentially do a cut before Sunday and you could take six out of the eight tests and then if you're in the bottom 30 so the bottom half you're done might not be any cuts at all but we don't know any of that stuff yet

do all of the will all the semifinals have the same workouts? Yes. All of them. Okay. Well, and that's going to affect,

that's definitely going to affect the choice. It might not all take place on the same days or relative days. That's what we're, you know, we're waiting to see. Okay. And that's going to be interesting because that's always, there's always there in some of these places there, there are some equipment restrictions.

They're not going to take 30. What are those things you put on your shoulder and you walk with? Yoke. They're not going to take, you're not going to have 30 yokes in Africa. They might have the same number of yokes as they do athletes in the top 100 right right what is this number what's helping sharing those are the number of participants in each semi-final and then the what he's saying is the most likely outcome based on all the studies that he's done about the current worldwide rankings the projected worldwide rankings after quarterfinals, and the subsequent application of the DeHaan method for the distribution of the final 17 spots.

So 22 from North America, 10 from Europe, and then three Australia, and then it just trickles down to whatever those other places are. Yeah, and if that's the case, then exactly what I thought was going to happen when they first announced this is going to happen, which is all 17 spots that they took away from Europe and North America are just being redistributed back to Europe and North America. And if that's the exact case that it is, then this is actually worse for Europe than it's been the last two years where they had 11 qualifiers because they got one through the last chance qualifier each year. And it actually did nothing in terms of achieving the stated goal, which is to have a more competitive, a more, a field that's more reflected of the actual competitive landscape for both men and women. And when you mean worse for Europe, you mean not just necessarily less people,

but less people who are deservingly to go relative to the field. Meaning they would just, last year there were 11 women here. If those numbers hold that Mike said they would have 10 this year. And I'm contending that they should have at least 15 based on their competitive performance. Ethan Bowen brings up a good point. He will also be going to the semifinals. He says, I'll be going to the semifinals if they don't make me submit a video. Let's talk about that for a second. What are the rules with the quarterfinals do all

of these people do all 300 people will they have to have videos of every single one of their workouts historically they've asked for two workout videos is that right chair uh i know last year two athletes that competed at crash and did all the quarterfinals there got thumbs up for all their tests videos. They submitted videos on their own or they were asked by CrossFit to submit all five videos. They submitted all five and got approval for all five. But if you submit zero, what will happen? If you submit zero videos?

Oh, that's a good question. I'm not sure if they request just two, request one. From my understanding, they would do it based on the leaderboard in the 24-hour window. Like if you were someone that was in the top 10 after day one, they went ahead and asked for those videos. And basically what I'm saying is they should be asking for the bottom 10 of the qualifiers, not the top 10 after day one they went ahead and asked for those videos and basically what i'm saying is they should be asking for the bottom 10 of the qualifiers not the top yeah

wasn't that in the email that they sent a jr in that first email doesn't it say make sure you videotape all of your or make sure you record all of your workouts there's been some there's been some problems with this in the past and I would prefer to move on to the floor layout plans pretty soon after this, but I'm helping just explain it here. It says that you, you should have them available, but you do not necessarily need to share them.

Okay. And in the past there's been, there's been grace period where it would say, Hey, seven, a great job on a quarter final test. Number two, can we see your video for that? Okay. And you'll say, I didn't take a video of it. And they'll say, Hey, Savan, a great job on a quarter final test. Number two, can we see your video for that? Okay. And you'll say, I didn't take a video of it. And they'll say, okay, well, you have three days to give us a video that shows that you can do that, that work.

So, and if that's the case, then you open up just another one of these scenarios that could happen in the open where I could just put in five scores, wait for them to ask me for the videos for whichever ones they want to see. And then I know that based on the past circumstances that if they say, Hey, we need to see workouts two and five, then I would be like, okay, I'm going to go do those two workouts having maybe never done them before and send the videos. And if they're the same score or close to what I got, then they may not ask for one, three and four. Yep. And helping her Brian, when you guys can correct me but i'm i'm almost positive that they've given themselves essentially eight days that they've said that on the 27th

the quarterfinals leaderboard will be finalized so it ends on the 19th and then on that monday they send out invitations for teams and age group qualifiers and then the following Monday the 27th I believe is when the quarterfinals individual leaderboard they said will be finished thank you jr mason mitchell um why would you volunteer to share reps so keyboard warriors like killer can attack you well that's the reason you want people to do that um while there's still time left to redo them as opposed to when they're if there's not time to redo it. Right. I mean, that's the goal to have people look at your shit and call you out, because if your shit's wrong, then you have a couple of days to redo it. Yeah, I mean, obviously, we would we would hope that everyone who's who's participating in these things has some degree of integrity.

But it's just known that that's not the case for everyone. Magnus Holmgren in reality, who cares about quarterfinals? All we want is Brian friend. All right, fine. You got, you got the best of both worlds. You got both. You got JR with lipstick. You got Caleb. You got Brian. Okay. Let's let's take it over to these floor plans. Anything in any of these that stood out to you like oh shit oh yeah there's entirely too much that stood out to me but i'm gonna try to keep it as as as shallow of a deep shallow of a dive as possible okay uh brian let's

try to get him to go as deep as possible well let's try to fuck up jr's plan and notice by the way just in defensive crossfit they got a camera in here so i mean they're that's like better have a camera yeah you better film that shit okay uh and we so test number one that means it's test number one that's that's why even number well i guess you have to number them so we can talk about them. Well, no, you've got to number them because the athletes got to know which tests they got to submit scores for by the end of the 24-hour window, which is going to be test one and two. Regardless of what order they do them in, one and two are going to be due Friday at noon. And look, Stephen, what you're saying is what everyone knows.

If you're going to number the test one through five, there's an implication there that your intent was for them to be done in orders one through five, but they're not monitoring that. So the tests do matter for the reason JR said, but they're kind of silly for the reason that you're thinking. Okay. And why are there six slides if there's only five tests? An alternate view for the first workout. Oh. Okay, shit. All right. God, this is getting complicated. When was the first year they introduced floor plans?

2021. Whew. Scott Perkins, hell no share it all jr okay uh what what do you guys see what's the plan here we're going to look at these and then you guys are going to speculate on what you think the workouts are yeah i think actually before we start talking about this one because we have rings here it's probably good to listen to something adrian has said and i think it's important like after last year and all the predictions saying that he's been kind of an open book compared to how dave was about telling us a little bit about how he

thinks and about things that he values and what he thinks athletes should be focusing on before the games and before the last chance qualifier and all that kind of stuff so this is a just a brief instagram live he did with rory and what he says here at the end to me is something that everybody should have heard and should be taking note of because it may come to light in the open i would argue it did it may in quarterfinals i'll argue it will in semifinals and at the games oh this is good i can't wait to hear this all right um it's like we are the whole training methodology is like be broad be capable right and when you take a tool and you reduce it down to one thing i'm just like it just seems like such a shame and be to me it's like oh well i have a barbell but all i do is deadlift with it. It's like,

really why? Like there's so much cool stuff you can do with a barbell. Why would you only do that? Yes. I feel the same way about, you know, the double unders. That's what a rope has become to a lot of people is just my double under machine. Um, I could not agree more. Yeah. Same thing with the rings, right? It's like, well, that's my muscle up machine. That's all I do is muscle ups on that. Okay,

cool. But there's a lot more that you can do that. Maybe you should be, but you could do not me personally, but that one could do that. One could do with the rings. No way, man.

You give it two minutes. I bet you come up with a dozen different things that you're not doing now that you can do tomorrow. You know, buddy Lee had a video that was like 200 things you can do with. You know, Buddy Lee had a video that was like 200 things you can do with a rope. All right. So what you're saying,

can we go back to that floor plan? And specifically around that, I know JR, you're saying, hey, you should just carry that with you. That voice and that sentiment with you through all the stages. But specifically here, you're talking about the rings?

Absolutely. Because how last year, some of the programming, the event that he chose to repeat, you know, the Legos rope climb event, the fact that we didn't get to see it put into action, but we know the alpaca was going to introduce a like 2001 two and three rope climb version that whenever it was programmed way back in the day it was always either from a seated position or legless or l it wasn't it wasn't done any other way and we didn't get to see that happen but if we go backwards and we look at what he chose to do at all the regionals and then what he was going to do at the games um the age groups doing the strict pull-up max,

all that kind of stuff. The writing was kind of on the walls. So he did muscle-ups the first week of the Open. Maybe that was his way of saying, hey, this is the easy ring movement, guys. This is the unicorn that you guys think about, but really it's one of the easiest ring movements you can do. Now, I'm not saying that in quarterfinals, we're going to do back rolls to support,

but I absolutely think that a back roll to the support is something that you're going to, they're going to do with the games, if not this year and years to come. Because I think that for a lot of people, movements like that were reserved for grid or they were reserved for just Glassman videos. Or like you said,

Glassman came down the hall one day and just brought all of you guys into the gym and wanted to teach you guys a back roll to support for like two hours. So I think just going backwards, think about how many times ring dips have actually shown up in CrossFit Games competition. There was the 50s chipper, 2014, just like the legless workout at regionals. They did Elizabeth one year with power clean, not squat clean at the games. They did dumbbell snatch and ring dip in 2017 when it was the dumbbell year. But I absolutely think that these rings are not for muscle ups and they're for something else. They're either for ring dips.

pushups and they're for something else. They're either for ring dips. They're going to find out a way to do a ring pushup standard where you elevate your feet or you say, Hey, measure the bottom of the ring. It has to be six inches off the ground at the bottom. You have to touch the shoulder and fully lock out at the top. I mean, I think that there's going to be something like that. Another way of Boz reminding everybody, hey, basics, basics, basics. I think push-ups. I think you're right. What about Patrick Clark here is saying, what about pec tears? What about recognizing, you think he starts with small numbers,

thinking about that? I mean, there's a few things it could do. I know judging is going to be the thing that people talk about the most. And while there's a ring dip on every ring muscle up, it's not consecutive and it's not fast, right? There's some time in between each of those ring dips where you get to scrutinize them a little bit more closely. But if he slowed you down and said you had to do strict ring dips, you know, maybe that helps. Maybe it keeps people from staying up on the rings as long. But like Brian can tell you what he thinks. When I look at this layout, it screams to me maybe three couplets back to back where you have a barbell and a handstand push-up movement.

You have a barbell and a ring movement. You have a barbell and a handstand walk movement. It's kind of a progression, but also a classic complementary push and pull. Maybe like a deadlift with each of those gymnastics variations. Oh, why not a triplet? I was thinking something that was organized more like, um, I think there's going to be at least four movements in this workout. Right.

Because they've the 10 inches from the wall and there's nothing that's indicating that it's a wall walk because that other tape line is eight feet away, which is much further than the starting point of a wall walk would be. So that 10 inches to the wall is almost definitely going to be for handstand pushups or an evolution of handstand pushups using the same standard that we saw in the open. 25 feet of space designated is, is, uh, I think is a lot of, a lot of people think that they're going to traverse the barbell across that space, which is possible, but it's, I think that it's most likely just going to be an evolution from some kind of handstand pushup to a handstand walk later in the workout. Maybe you have like, you know, three rounds with a barbell ring and handstand pushup movement evolving into three rounds of a different barbell ring and handstand push-up movement evolving into three rounds of a different barbell ring and handstand push-up movement um and then you got the rings so you got you know something now if the barbell is just uh maybe it's an overhead lunge across that space then you could be have a

triplet where you have handstand push-ups overhead walking lunge and something on the rings what are the implications of that sorry if you guys already said this of that um eight feet the tape being eight feet apart there it's just uh to make sure that you're safety it's i think it could definitely be safety but i think it's you know the floor layout plans and adrian addressed this in the podcast with chase that came out this morning are also put in place to eliminate some of the kind of ridiculous setups that we've seen in opens past where people are just doing things in really tight quarters that are either, you know, that's not really the intent of the transition to just be sitting on the rower and then grab a pull-up bar that's immediately above it.

Or it's something that's distinctly advantageous if you have the setup available for that, but knowing that not everyone will. Okay. Because when I think of safety, if you just have one person out there then i can't see a reason for having that uh like why not i mean that 25 feet i'm just thinking why not have that 25 feet be away from that line on the wall you're only going to have one person out there at a time uh well that's a good a great uh thing to talk about i mean the nice thing about having the four layouts out on a monday is that thing to talk about. I mean, the nice thing about having the

four layouts out on a Monday is that you can think about that. You can look at this and say, okay, I have to have this, this, and this to meet the check marks for this workout. And given the layout I have at my gym, how many people can I put through this workout at one time? And then I have, let's say based on the space I have, I can do four and I have 20 people at my gym that have qualified for quarterfinals. So that means I'm going to- Are there gyms like And I have 20 people at my gym that have qualified for quarterfinals. So that means I'm going to. Are there gyms like that? There's gyms where 20 people have qualified for quarterfinals?

JR, how many from your gym made quarterfinals? More than 20. Holy shit. Will they all do it, JR, there? Probably not. But think about that. To run 20 plus athletes through that workout that takes up so much space Probably not. that you need to do it in a 24 hour window where there's also another workout that you have to get done and you still are likely running classes and having all these other things going on. I mean, it is logistically challenging for some gyms, very logistically challenging for others,

but at least they have Monday through Thursday to prep for that. Whereas in the open, when you have a workout like 23.2 A and B, it's just as demanding in terms of space that's needed, because not only do you need the space, the pull-up rig, all the space where the shuttle runs, then you have to have heavy barbells loaded somewhere on the perimeter that you can move in. And it's just an excessive demand in terms of time and space, especially if you have hundreds of people that you're running through that workout. Okay. Do we want to give a shot at what the workout is? Anything else we want to say before we slip? I think we should do that and then move on to the next slide. Okay.

Go ahead, Brian. Lucky you, Brian. I'm going to stick with kind of what I said before, which is, I think there's going to be three rounds of a handstand pushup variation, uh, an overhead squat and a toes to ring evolving into, uh, three rounds of,

uh, handstand walking with, um, maybe, maybe a same or a heavier overhead squat and, uh, a ring muscle up plus dips variation. overhead squat and a ring muscle up plus dips variation.

What's a ring muscle up plus dips. I mean like a ring muscle up and then like a dip. Maybe, maybe every round has seven ring muscle ups, but after each one, instead of doing one dip, you have to do three. Okay. So basically you're saying three rounds and each round is a different

couplet. That would be like a triplet into another triplet that's higher difficulty. JR? Yeah, and just to like piggyback off his point, I really like the idea of using high rings for ring dips instead of low rings because it gives a – puts a premium on being able to stay up for longer. So let's say you do like a three rounds of 15 deadlifts, 15 ring dips, but you know, on sets two and three fatigue is going to start to set in. Well, every time you come down and break, you got to do another muscle up to get back up there,

which will not be the standard at the quarterfinals. Cause it says rigs can be configured in any position, right? And what it means is that they need to be five feet away from your barbell in any direction okay but but but they could be low to the ground right it's not what we don't know that they have not specified if they're lower high rings okay so those are the kind of things they can change that they can change that yeah i'm assuming that they're high rings because of the way the diagram is but there's i mean what was it last year where they just put a

like a barbell or a squat rack or something and no other information and then it ended up being the the total the other total so yeah there's definitely still the possibility that there's some missing information here okay jr um i'll say i'll just keep it simple and say like three rounds of 21 deadlifts, 21 handstand pushup. A lot of people have asked me, do you think they could do deficit and just say that the edge of the plates are what has to touch the edges of the 30 inch tape line. So your hands have to be on top of the plates, but you just have to put the plates on each edge, outer edge. It's possible. It could be a progression from strict to deficit strict or even kipping deficit, which they did last year.

But just for the sake of this, I'll say that, hey, if you were strong enough in the open to show that you could do them strict, now you get the right to kip them. So we'll just say the three rounds of kipping, um, 21 kipping handstand pushups, 21 deadlifts rest a minute. Um, three rounds of 15 deadlifts, 15 ring dips rest a minute. Um, I'm sorry, two rounds of that. So three rounds of 21-21, two rounds of 15-15, and then one round of nine deadlifts and nine handstand walk reps. So one 25-foot segment is one handstand walk. You have to do not this. All righty.

But I really like Brian's overhead squat prediction. I was telling a lot of the people that are doing quarterfinals that if I had to guess, I would say it's probably a hinge from the floor, but if it's not, I think overhead squat with shoulder interference makes a ton of sense because the first two years of quarterfinals, we've gotten very dense shoulder fatigue tests. Time domain. I think this would be one of the longer ones, if not the, yeah, I think one of the two longer ones, 15 minutes-ish. All right. Number two.

Wow. Okay. I like this. This should be the open diagram for 24.1. Perfect. I love that rope. Yeah. I think it's rx smart gear you recognize it uh dumbbell one dumbbell one jump rope one could even say it looks like some sort of heavy rope

uh one jump rope one dumbbell i don't think it's going to be quite that simple though you have to hold the dumbbell in your feet while you jump the rope and jump up lifting the dumbbell up with your feet uh not that complex either i think it's important too when you look at this floor plan specifically that people automatically assume it's a couplet. That is not the case. It could be five different dumbbell movements with sets of double unders in between each one, much like that open workout that had a hundred double unders after every movement. So just saying that this is going to be one of the couplets is you don't know that at all.

But I think something that is worth mentioning is that last year when we got floor plans on test one, we had a pair of dumbbells and wall space and everyone was thinking, oh, it's going to be dumbbell squats and handstand variations, or it's going to be dumbbell thrusters oh, it's going to be dumbbell squats and handstand variations, or it's going to be dumbbell thrusters, or it's going to be devil press. And what do we do? We lunged for reps, for steps and not for distance. So they didn't include that on the floor plan. So like my idea from this, and I know Brian knows this workout because it was, it came out on main site recently, really simple. Five rounds, 50-foot overhead walking lunge with one dumbbell, 50 double-unders.

Do I think a test like that is appropriate for quarterfinals? Yes, if you mandate the double-unders have to be unbroken this time. And it just becomes a signature boss. It pays to be accurate. It pays to not mess up. It would make a lot of sense to me for it to be something simple like that. Five rounds, 50 foot overhead walking lunge with a 70 and 50, 50 double unders unbroken. If not, yeah, maybe we do get single unders and it's like, Hey, you got to do 200 singles and then whatever, 50 dumbbell snatches and then 200 double unders and

50 squat snatches. I mean, unders and 50 squat snatches i mean it could be something like that too the possibilities are endless with this setup right here you bastard that's like almost my exact prediction for the workout we showed that i was gonna say 400 single unders 40 dumbbell snatches right like um with the heavy dumbbell and then 200 double unders or 40 per arm with the heavy dumbbell and then 200 double unders or 40 per arm with the heavy dumbbell. And then 200 double unders, 20 per arm squat snatches with the lighter dumbbell. JR, what about, um, this video that we started the show with showing Rory and Adrian that you're letting us know, Hey, it might be the same equipment, but it's going to be

movements you haven't seen before. And do you have any outlandish predictions with that dumbbell? It'll be used as a kettlebell swing. Do you have any outlandish predictions for the rope? Triple unders? I sent some touches to a lot of the people that follow some competitive programming that I give them. the people that follow some competitive programming that I give them. And just at the end of like a EMOM, I told them, Hey, just, just do 30 triple unders, just accumulate 30. And they're all like, what do you mean? You think we're going to have to do those? I said, no, I don't think you're going to have to do them. But what if you do, at least it's not the first time you ever tried.

Right. More likely to see a triple under or to see a crossover double under. triple under or to see a crossover double under? I think triples are easier to judge unfortunately than crossover doubles, but I think it would be really unlikely that we see either of, of them. When you see the dumbbell, like the last thing that I would think of, that's a really, that's actually what I was going to say. That's, that's really good. So that's actually was going to be my prediction for what the kettlebell was used for. We think about when there's ever been weighted pistols in CrossFit competition. It was on the Cinco's one with the 405 deadlifts and the weighted pistols. And I'm almost positive that that was also one of the few times they mandated you had to do five reps on the right and then five reps on the left.

You did not alternate legs on pistols one of the few times i've ever done that so i thought that maybe the kettlebell everyone was going to think oh what are we going to use the kettlebell for and since they've done pistols the last two years they were actually going to use the kettlebell for a weighted pistol uh by the way when i think of uh adrian bosman and movements I think overhead squat and weighted pistols. I mean, that's... I will wait till the games prediction show, but I found

a gem, some might call, of him doing a one-arm overhead kettlebell pistol. One-arm kettlebell pistol overhead. I think I've seen that. Is it outside when he does it, the video? I can't tell you that.

People will try to go find it. Okay. What about this reverse? I've never actually seen it. Caleb, is there such thing as a reverse? Yeah. Wasn't there someone who, when they first showed up at the games, they were doing double unders in reverse?

I think there was and um jason is really really good at backwards double unders he can do like 20 or 30 unbroken it's just like he has like jump rope skill sessions and he was like hey can you do these and i said no dude i'm gonna be so so uncoordinated and he got his rope and just did like 20 of them but it's really impressive to me. I actually asked Chase today. I got it. I said, handstand walking backwards, uncommon movement clause or no, because think about it. They've always said for double unders, the rope must turn forward twice, but they've never said that you could not walk backwards on a handstand walk. And I've got a really good friend who is a collegiate pole vaulter and she still says to this day she can walk way faster backwards than she can forward on her hands but she's always wondered if she was allowed to do it

because it's not in the rules but would it be an uncommon movement dude this chick makes these look smooth so all these people all these people are saying that the athlete that i thought that it might have been, I just couldn't remember. But it was Josh Bridges. When he first started doing cross-country. Not double. He did singles backwards, though. I don't think he did double-unders backwards.

I think it was doubles. I have a memory of him talking about that somewhere. I have him on tomorrow. I'll ask him. I'll put it here. I want to say, was it not maybe an 11.1? Like in the first open workout ever that he did as double unders backwards, maybe.

Because it couldn't have been a rule back then. It was the first time they were ever programmed, like in the open. I guess maybe they, they did them at the games maybe in 2009 or 10. 2009 was the first time. Yeah. Also in 2010.

CrossFit Corey. I tried it and it's pretty easy okay that's cool but yeah the other thing i was thinking too is that like you know i think we talked about this kind of a trickle down from them doing the pistols all on one side and all on the other could it be a one-armed dumbbell movement where it's mandated 10 dumbbell snatches, right? Double unders 10 left, double unders 10, right?

Double unders. And you just fatigue that one limb over and over again until you're not able to really do them unbroken. Or could we ever see like a stationary lunge where you just have the dumbbell overhead or on the shoulder or on the front rack and you're lunging a hundred reps, but you're not, you're not displacing any, anything. You're just stepping back. Remember you said Greg hated step back lunges. He, I mean the walking lunge for him is the only lunge. Yeah. Um, uh, and Jair, what do you think about the thought that they might have

two different weight dumbbells for this workout? It only shows one there. You might only be using one at a time. But could you have something that progresses either from the 50-35 to 70-50 or the other way around? Absolutely. And I actually think about a Wadapalooza qualifier from maybe two years ago that was like a handstand walk workout that had dumbbell snatches that went from 50 to 70 and how cool of a workout I thought that was. Yeah. Okay. Well, tomorrow we will... Still won't know.

And I think this is going to be on the shorter end of like a six to eight minute workout. Wow. So Josh just gave me an answer to the question. We'll save it for tomorrow's show. If you'd like to know, he's got a lot of information on it yeah uh yes you are a big deal um okay uh predict predictions uh for that thank you caleb we get the show moving along predictions for this i'm going to say it's a chipper. 400 single-unders,

80 dumbbell snatch with a heavy one, 40 per arm, 200 double-unders, and then 20 dumbbell squat snatches per arm with the lighter one. A chipper. I like it. I should keep it simple and just do that main site.

Five rounds for time time 50 and 50 overhead walk and lunge double unders have to be unbroken so a couple kind of opposite of what you said okay fine good to go we'll accept it uh test number three jr predicts against for workout test number two against his own advice bold bold move um okay uh just one one view on this uh tape lines five feet apart a plyo box doesn't tell us how high it is but it looks like one of those ones that has three different heights and a barbell oh and this one has a did those other ones have athlete start i don't remember seeing that no this is the this is the only this is the only floor plan that shows an

athlete start much to jr's uh pleasure yeah what what is the point of that i'm not sure i understand what would i think the point of this is basically that the movement's gonna the workout's probably gonna start with whatever the box movement is and they want you to start five feet away from it so you have to move there do whatever on the box before you come back oh I was thinking that it's because whatever the number of reps are to go back and forth five feet they want you to finish on on a certain side I think think this is an, uh, well, you think that there's,

or am I just crazy? Are you, you guys should make fun of me. If you think there's some sort of movement there, that's five feet back and forth, or that's a safety thing. Um, so, so this has basically been a test five in 2021 and 2022 quarterfinals.

It's been the exact same floor plan except with the rower. Yeah. So in 2021, it's been the exact same floor plan. Except with a rower. Yeah. So in 2021, it was 963. That actually started opposite where the box is on that one because they ended on the box jump over. Snatches, 185, 135. Burpee box jump overs, everyone uses 30 inches. And then in 2022, it was for time, 30 cal row, 20 burpee box jump overs, 24 and 20,

10 snatches, 185, 135. So this is pretty similar to that floor plan minus the rower, but very similar to 2021, which makes a lot of people wonder, would he do a repeat in a quarterfinals? Hey, you answer that. What do you think? I think he would, but I don't think he will. I actually think that this test is going to be similar. I think it's going to be a high power output test. I think this has a potential to be one of the heavy tests because as we go through them, we'll see that there's not just a squat

rack and there's not just a barbell that maybe strength is going to be tested under some fatigue. And I could see something like a similar rep scheme like maybe um 12 9 6 of burpee box jumps which they haven't done where you have to open your hip at the top or clears where you have to jump all the way over the box just as a small wrinkle and then like a clean and jerk at 225 hey wasn't there in in that weight list in that list of weights wasn't there something in there that showed that there wouldn't be anything heavy or no no did they tell you how much weight you need in plates in that equipment list no too much detail okay well it's i like the clips they have in this picture how they have clips on

there those are awesome. Yeah. Some people were asking me, too, if he would kind of pay homage to maybe some of the old regionals workouts. And when I see this, I think 21-15-9 deadlift box jump at 315 and how brutal of a test that would be for a quarterfinal. I actually think the idea is pretty cool. test that would be for like a quarterfinal i actually i think the idea is pretty cool i think it would be a little more cool if they tweaked it a little to be like a burpee box jump so you still opened up the hip but that line being there just screams over it's you got to be going over the box or else why even have the tape line unless it's just to show that it's five feet away i don't understand the tape line is gonna is like it's so it's designated one of two things either just the five foot increment but it's more likely also

suggestive of a burpee where you have to straddle the line and if it's shown on both sides of the box then you'd have to you'd assume you'd have to what the fuck is the point of that um correct of that uh what's the thing rule to make sure to make sure you're perpendicular to the box and you're not doing your burpee at it like a diagonal well i don't get why they would care uh i mean it's it's a it's a legitimate question for sure and i think that adrian was alluding to it again on the podcast this morning it's like do we need floor moments and there's some you can make the argument for or against this is just why not just make two feet on the ground like there's no there is there any implication of athleticism or or um i i just don't get why

you would need to straddle that line if you got both feet on the ground who cares if you're forward backward who gives a shit you do not but no i just want it to be easy for the judges and i want to see athleticism and creativity, just trying to create a uniform standard to say, we're not doing lateral burpee box jump overs. We're doing bar fate box facing burpee box jump overs. I mean, it's different.

Like when I programmed at the gym, we, and we had to have burpee burpee over bar and it's a busy class. I don't care. Most people are doing them them lateral to the bar. Yeah, diagnose faster. Let them do it. Exactly.

A couple of times during the year, I will make them do bar facing burpees, facing the bar perpendicularly just in case it comes up because it has before so that they're ready for it. And I think that it's responsible as a coach to have your athletes practice both. And the lateral jump is valuable. And turning around and facing the bar takes more time and stefan you asked about what's the big deal about not not having the athlete start arrow on all the floor plans yeah is because people can't be trusted and you're gonna now make them go and read on the standards to the line that says at the

call of three two one go the athlete will start at the call of three, two, one, go, the athlete will start at blah, blah, blah, and then progress to blah, blah, blah, where they will start their 30 handstand pushups. It's a lot easier if the green arrow is just there and you can write the floor plan and say, Hey, where do I start? Oh, I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I can probably start on the rower. Like that kind of thing. Okay. Right. See how good Caleb is. That's exactly damn. You're good caleb and then caleb flips through them to show us that the arrow is missing on the other one damn you're good my feeling is this i like the like if you're ever going to argue like that there's a difference

between the workouts and then what happens at the affiliate the competition workouts yeah all your gym members maybe should have like some sort of line there and try to get your feet on either side straddle but fuck there's a point where I want to just fucking untether the athletes and let them go. Look, you got to get over this box, do a burpee, and get back over as fast as you can. Go. And let's see. Let's see what happens. Let's see how that manifests.

Just the saying that you can't touch the box and do a box clear, it wouldn't be that far-fetched. I mean, I've talked about it before. You have to pay attention at the games. The last thing they did on up and over before the axle lunge was they did clears over the pig where you had to clear it in the air and you were not allowed to turn your body in the air. You had to land on the other side of the pig facing the same direction that you took off from. You weren't allowed to turn your body. And so I think if they did something like this, it would add a little bit more athleticism, obviously a little bit more plyometrics, probably a little bit more leg fatigue and heavy breathing. So I think it would be cool if that was kind of trickled its way down.

Have you ever seen these videos? I make these videos on my Instagram where it shows my kids jumping and then it comes to a point where they can't jump over something so they have to dive over it have you ever seen that no and then they have to dive onto a mat that'd be a great thing to see at the games they could just be like hey you got to clear this and some athletes are going to look at that the vast majority of athletes are going to look at that and be like hey there's no fucking way i can get over that jumping over that and then someone's gonna be like yeah you gotta dive over it yeah go ahead first and then you're gonna say avi come on out here and show these guys yeah you you got to go fucking head first you got to go ahead first i could see it in that uh like that event what was

the event where they ran back and forth and then they had to do the jerks on the blocks what was that event shuttle to overhead yeah stick something fucking high in the middle of the field out there that they got to get over all right free free advice from seven dive roll yeah dive roll thank you i have a thought about this workout i think that we might see um you know in a recent podcast very not random boz mentioned a workout of uh power cleans and handstand push-ups from the open years back there was an increasing rep scheme of one movement but not the other or different intervals they would increase different intervals yeah and i think i think we might see an amrap here of burpee box jump overs and heavy deadlifts with one increasing more frequently than the other and which one did the deadlift increasing no uh i mean i would say that would say same number of

burpee and then deadlift increasing unless kind of like 17.1 or 20 20 20.2 was that but i mean but it also could just be an homage to the, if you're thinking along these lines, if the toes to bar was clean and jerks, or it's like 3-3-6-6-9-9. I could see something as simple as that six or seven minute AMRAP of 3-6-9-12-15-18, et cetera, deadlifts at 3-15 and burpee box jump overs. So you think deadlifts is a good? I think it fits here. And I think that deadlift box jump combo is, again, an old school open couplet that we were used to seeing that hasn't been tested recently. I like it. I would love to see heavy deadlifts. When you say heavy, you mean 315 or bigger, higher?

Yeah. They did have that one year they went up to 35 reps at 365 pounds. It was 14.3, which I thought was the only bad open workout that year. I just, I just thought of a way they could do the jump over. You could make it so they have to jump over, but because you feel sorry for the athletes the first year, you put the high crash pads on the other side so that they don't have to like, you know,

do you want to take a shot at this jr what you think it's going to be no i actually i like brian's guess i i am a little bit inclined to wonder if there's going to be some sort of death by trickle down and maybe that will trickle down to the semi-final level because they've they did death by wall ball for the age group semifinals last year and they've done something similar in the open with 13.5 you just kept doing thrusters and chest of bars until you couldn't get the work done anymore they've also done it with like overhead squat and chest to bar a couple years in the open where the reps just kept going up and the time interval stayed the same until you just couldn't finish the work in the allotted time anymore. And I wonder if like to what Brian said, where one of the movements stays the same, maybe the box movement

stays the same, but the barbell movement increases and it's a death by format here where you have two minutes to do 15 burpee box clears and then three deadlifts. And then you start again, 15, six, and you start again, 15, nine. Then you start again, 15, 12, and you start again, 15, 15. You just keep going. If there's going to be a workout like that, or if we're just thinking way too hard about it. I wish there was a gym in my, I wonder if there's a gym in my area close to me. I'm going to regret saying this. That has a, like a quarter finals night where I could go watch people do quarter finals.

I was just thinking about how it takes place over three days. So like we I've blocked out times at our gym for that. Yeah. You know, it's, it's communicated to like the 24 hour access members that the floor space is reserved for quarterfinal athletes during this time. And it's open to anyone who would want to come by and watch them do the

workouts. And then I'm sure a lot of gyms have something like that. I was just thinking about how invested Jr has to be. He owns the building. He's got a fucking shitload of clients who are doing it, a shitload of clients, even more clients who aren't doing it. And I was just thinking,

fuck, it would be so good for me for these kinds of shows. If I went down there every night and just watched like for 20 minutes and just get some perspective on just what this fucking takes to pull this off and how hard the athletes are working instead of just sitting here in my chair and waiting for people to donate money. Like, you know, make a little more investment myself. I'm pretending he's going to leave the house. Well, now what I'm worried about is some affiliate down the street's gonna invite me now that's probably gonna happen good i hope so go on a saturday no i'd actually go every night i'd take my boys down there i'd love to do that like if jr's place was

like three miles down the road i'd do it i'd love to i'd love to um not brian's place? Fuck Chicago, dude. Fuck Chicago. It's so gross. I can't believe you live there. It's grosser than where I live. I implore you. I beg of you to leave. No, you're doing God's work there. It's good.

Okay, test number four. What the fuck are these machines? Are those Transformers? Someone left their Transformers on the uh my kids left their toys on the check the equipment lists process of elimination you can figure it out uh that's a mechanical bull on the left and it says ghd touch floor that's a rower god i hate it already my kids do these magic tricks they get magic tricks from amazon and i hate the magic tricks that come with like equipment like it's a plastic thing you put the

coin in it they slide it over they pull it out and the coin's gone i'm like dumb dude they're like no it's cool i'm like no i want to see you like take this pen this pen and just make it disappear you know what i mean gone gone bye like what see magic holy shit can you do that again and that's when i see this i just see two pieces of equipment and i just hate it i just fucking hate it well i think that some people will also hate it yeah i hate it i think that i personally think this is going to be a very difficult test, even as simple as it might look. So I think this one's going to hurt. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Tell me. This is a couplet, right? Not necessarily. And I think of the three perceived couplets, this is the one that's most likely to be a triplet with pistols thrown in there. the one that's most likely to be a triplet with pistols thrown in there the you know and it's it's it might seem boring or redundant but he's had a pistol ghd workout each of the last two years right jr yeah this would be the third year in a row the thing i've been curious about because obviously there's no starting area here is if the if there's a possibility of having a forced time for a row at this as a buy-in to

this workout and then if you don't make it that your workout's over oh yeah so i think caleb has a picture of it but it's kind of easy to explain last year in the last chance qualifier similarly to jackie pro when he said hey you got to row this hard or your workouts over. We saw some people not be able to do that on Jackie pro last chance qualifier, eight minutes for guys, nine minutes for girls, 2k row, max distance, handstand walk. I was one of the ones that pushed back and said, I don't think that's enough time. I think they should have more time, but what did we see like Tim Paulson do? Right. He did what others didn't want to do. He wrote it, wrote to the edges of his capacity and still had time to accumulate a lot of

reps at handstand walk. So I think about a workout like that. And could he say, you know, you guys aren't safe either at quarterfinals. You guys are going to have to give too. So you have a nine minute window and you're going to row a 2K, and whatever time you have left, you're going to do max GHDs.

And it's every single GHD counts. And do you want to row five seconds faster just so you can get two more GHDs? Yeah, I have some other, I guess, kind of crazy ideas. I like that crazy idea. The other thing that I've thought about for this test, and it's a more of a concept that people have been throwing around out there, you know, is that we've had these, you know, these, these isolated strength tests periodically or frequently show up.

We had one in quarterfinals last year, one in quarterfinals year before, one in the open this year, but we rarely have at the open or quarterfinal stage had an isolated test that's not a strength test. So people have thought, oh, well, maybe this year we'll have an isolated rowing test or we'll have an isolated gymnastics test. And other people have even gone so far to say, well, if they do that, maybe they'll combine them. Like we kind of some people wish they had done with 23.2 A and B. but maybe they'll combine them.

Like we kind of, some people wish they had done with 23.2 A and B. So I think that there's also the potential here for something like a, you know, a rowing time trial. And then, you know, from whenever you finish or at a specific time that you start a gymnastics test and that you can combine those two scores.

And it could be a single, a single modality gymnastics text of a hundred GHD setups for time, or it could be a, you know, a gymnastics text of 100 ghd setups for time or it could be uh you know a couplet of gymnastics with the ghd and the pistol that the row is factored into i don't think that that's likely but i but it is something that i've heard people talking about yeah you know we stage one of the games 2020 you know we got the 1k row and we got the max handstand hold max handstand hold specifically has been programmed so much in the last couple years all kinds of isometric holds on main site and other places to where that's just something we need to be doing so i mean yeah i think it's legitimate to ask

could it happen at semifinals you know we we always see strength isolated in its own modality. And we don't see that. We've only really seen it at the games where it's one thing, not triple threes. Guys, that's three things. One thing, like a 2K row or a max L-sit or 30 rope climbs for time where there's nothing with it. There's no shuttle runs or anything like that. And to Brian's point, I think it would be great to mix that kind of stuff in so that you don't just look for the,

okay, cool. What's the lift here. Okay, cool. What's the lift going to be. And there's not always going to be one. There's one small thing that,

again, I'm probably reading into this too much. Caleb, can you pull up the two pictures of the last two years, quarter finals, GHD workout. I have two questions for you, by the way, about the workout. So this is- What is this? Sorry. What is this again? This is just a screenshot of- Last year's?

That's last year's. Yeah. and then we can go to the 2021 now when they first released the floor plan that blue box that the writing was not on it but what is that is that is it raining somewhere someone's at yeah not not here i do hear that though okay what's uh but caleb what is that it's not bugging me i just want to know what Or is your toilet – maybe your toilet's overflowing in the bathroom. It sounds like water rushing onto the floor or something. I just got that fixed, so it should be good. But what is that sound? What is that? Is it rain?

One hour and 28 minutes and 24 seconds. No, my heater just kicked on. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, stay warm, buddy. I ain't hating. I just like... So just the crazy person in me just wonders. Everyone knows what a GHD is. Everyone knows where your feet go.

Everyone knows where you touch. Why on this year's floor plan does it say GHD touch floor? That's my question. That was my question. Why? Tell us. tell again we go back to what he said you know you guys see this thing and you think oh that's the only thing you can use it for while i don't think they would find out a way to do hip extensions in a quarterfinal setting where you go down and you touch the ground and you come to parallel whatever i do think that when you look at other things on the equipment list and you look at the fact you come to parallel whatever i do think that when you look at other things on the equipment list and you look at the fact that we've only done 40 wall balls

and we know that there's a wall ball on the equipment list that this could absolutely be med ball ghd setups well tell i still don't answer your question i still don't you're not answering your question and i need an answer well it says ghd touch floor in the past there's always been pads there the males get get a riser and the females get a riser why why feel the need to tell everyone this is where you touch the floor on the ghd setup yeah why add that box at all if it doesn't if it doesn't mean something now just be reiterating to people, hey, you have to touch within the footprint. I really don't think that they would be putting the blue there. But in case they think that people are going to try to go to the side and touch, which they oftentimes do when they touch with both hands, maybe it's just their way of saying, hey, this is the target that you're going to touch with the med ball.

What do you mean to the sides? Like the guy, the really tall guys that you just target touch with your hands and they're going to force you to stay within the parameters of the GHG. Yeah. And maybe that's, maybe that's what that is. I was just very, very puzzled by that. And I went back and looked at those floor plans to see like, has this always been there? Like, why is this, why is this here? So, yeah, again, I think that sometimes the, the, the, the picture isn't complete.

Like Brian said, we knew we needed a flat bench, but the picture of the bench didn't make it into the floor plan last year for the other total. And then we still ended up using the bench, even though it wasn't in the picture. So we're not, we don't see, we don't see a medicine ball anywhere. Any of these workouts, there's no heavy medicine ball, and we only did 40 wall balls in the open. I just think that it could be a cool wrinkle that we did something like a med ball GHC setup. And it's not something that's uncommon, something they've done at the games many times. Is there a med ball on the equipment list? 20 and 14.

Is there a med ball on the equipment list? 20 and 14. Let me ask you this. This is off subject a little bit, but do you think for sure there will be pistols in the quarterfinals? Not for sure, but I think if I had to bet yes or no, I would bet on yes and I would bet on them in this workout. Okay. And if I had to bet yes or no, I would say no.

But if they had to be in a workout, it would definitely be this one. Didn't we talk about what about the one that was the dumbbell and the jump rope for pistols? We had talked about it, but I don't think any of us, either of us ended up thinking that that would be the case there. Okay. Rambo, this is not appropriate. I wish Haley was competing.

Not appropriate. We all wish she was competing. Okay. Bring your own, Kate, bring your own med ball. You think Kate drinks while she watches the show? You want a prediction for this one before we move on? Please. JR, you we move on? Please. JR, you want to go?

Sure. I hope it's not this. Because I think rowing. I've never heard him say that. Because I think rowing for distance and not calories is silly at this level. But this is really like it's been a repeated main site workout tons of times um 2k row 50 med ball ghd 1k row 35 med ball ghd 500 meter row 20 med ball ghd savage horrific right yeah it's pretty bad although much more time is spent on the row some would argue that you could still you could still make up time on both movements

i would still say it's more dependent on the row uh 741 people do that 741 people watching only 118 likes those of you who can't hit the like button, just go home now. Just turn us off. If you don't like us, turn us off. And subscribe also. Don't be silly. Just subscribe. I talk about a lot of cool stuff besides the games.

You're going to love it. I'm going to go with the triple-edged stone. I'm going to say two rounds, 50 Cal-Row, 50 GHD, 50 pistols. What about these machines? Mr. Jr. Is there anything about these machines where we've been closed minded in our thinking of how,

how to use them? That's what he was talking about. The potential for a hip extension, the introduction, introduction of a med ball GHD. I don't think there's anything. I don't think we're going to be doing anything with the rower other than row.

Overhead squat with the rower? Yeah, I don't think we're going to be doing hug of Twinkies with the GHDs. I don't think we're going to be doing burpees over the erg. I mean, we could for sure do that, and it wouldn't be something that people see coming. People do it in training all the time

where they just use the rower as a barbell and do a lot of burpees over the road yeah uh but but we suspect we're already going to get some burpees with that box and those lines all right yeah and look and i think jr is doing the same thing here and that when i'm putting out these predictions i'm like trying to have a reasonable test of five things so not duplicating too many movement patterns etc uh okay final test wow we did it our first our first sign of the pull-up rig right yeah and hopefully a rope is right next to it yeah that's i don't understand that rope what what the fuck like well basically what he's saying is you have to have a pull-up rig and a rope that

are both eight feet away from the barbell and in the same plane there's not a alternate view oh no they stay down there at the bottom as long as they can be configured anywhere as long as they're eight feet away from the barbell so you could have a view where there's a rig eight feet to the barbell and then perpendicular to 90 degree angle, eight more feet to your rope over there. If you have to traverse between the pull-up rig and the rope in that situation, then you're at a little bit of a disadvantage if someone has this. But because of that nuance, I don't think that there'll be transitions between the pull-up rig and the rope. And we don't know how long the rope is. Is there some sort of standard for a rope climbing

CrossFit? Is it a 15-foot rope or 13-foot? Yeah, pull up Pat Vellner's Instagram story today. You can see for yourself. What the standard is? It just made me laugh when I saw it. And there's no way, if you have a rope that close to your pull-up rig, it's going to be fucking dangerous anyway. So basically, they're just saying a rope and a pull-up rig and the rope and the pull-up rig have to be eight feet away from the bar correct they each have to be and that's why i don't think that's why i don't think that you'll be moving from the pull-up rig to the rope i think every time that you finish on either one you go back to the barbell before you

go to the other or that it'll be everything, you go back to the barbell before you go to the other, or that it'll be everything on the rig, everything on the barbell, then everything on the rope or something like that. What's Pat doing up there? It's getting ready for quarterfinals. All right. Look at that rope is just fraying like a mofo.

Look at go down a little bit. God, that's kind of crazy, right? Hmm. It's pretty common. Hey, I feel like we have to say this,

Brown. We've talked about discussing this many times and never have. If they're going to tell you what kind of barbell you have to use, 45 pound bar, 35 pound bar. Are they going to do it? Say that barbell you have to use, 45-pound bar, 35-pound bar. Are they going to? Did it say that somewhere? They have.

They started doing that. And they're going to tell you specific things that you have to use or that you can't use, certain height plates, whatever. Short straps and ring muscle-ups are much easier than long straps some ropes are not an inch and a half some are an inch some are two inches all those things makes makes it easier so at this stage specifically do we think it's a good idea for them to say hey you need a pair of rings and you need to show that the strap is at least eight feet long. We're already getting up on a ladder to measure a 15 foot rope. So why aren't we showing that ring straps are the same?

Why aren't we showing that the diameter of our rings are not the skinny rings? And I'm not saying it matters for everybody. It doesn't. For the best, It doesn't matter. But for a lot of people, if you do a thruster legless rope climb workout and you add a pull-up movement in it, it's going to be a grip test. So if you have someone that has a rope, that's only one inch in diameter versus someone that's got one, that's an inch and a half, and they're doing 10 legless rope climbs, that might be enough to matter in the workout. That I know this.

When I get ropes from Rogue, whatever they are, and they're new, my fingers can go into the grooves of the rope, and it makes it significantly easier. Like way, way, way, way, way easier. Crazy easier. It's almost like the fatigue is like half as much. Pick an affiliate. How would they do that? They'd have to get behind a brand of rope or just the diameter? I think that in this case, if they wanted to do something like that,

either of the things that JR suggested, that those are things that would help in terms of unifying the competition for sure. But if they wanted to make those changes, they need to give adequate or ample time for people to you know accommodate that i would say like a year hey just so you guys know next year for the open if the if ring muscle-ups show up you're going to have to have straps at least eight feet long if if rope climb show up in any stage of competition you need ropes that are one and a half inch diameter. Ropes by Pan Chick. That's good.

Yeah, little hands. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I do not have big hands. Okay. Interesting. Maybe it doesn't matter in the quarterfinals. Maybe that shit only matters in the semifinals and the games because it's so nuanced, JR.

Yeah, maybe so. Okay. Any thoughts on this? I think this has the potential to be a really fun test. I think that we're going to get just about pull-ups in this workout since we had none of them in the open for the first time in a while. And I think that high likelihood the barbell movement is a snatch here. And I'll push back and say that I think the barbell movement is either a thruster or an overhead squat.

Another thruster. The concept of having thrusters in volume does make a lot of sense, especially given what JR talked about, excuse me, what Boswin talked about with having a thruster present in the open but not for volume. So I would say that's an excellent guess here as well. Legless rope climbs or with the legs? I think we are going to get legless here. A lot of people think it's too soon,

but they had 40 strict handstand pushups in the open, and I don't think it's really unreasonable at this point to see a legless rope climb as not equal to other strict gymnastics movements. What about something crazy, JR? Skin the cats, five skin the cats, and then five rope climbs and then uh 10 thrusters no well i do think like a bar pullover is very similar to like a back roll to support on the rings i don't think that uh any kind of pullover anything like that is going to be done

at quarterfinals i don't think they'll unveil any movement that's that obscure online um but i do wonder too like you know we did burpee pull-ups in the open. Maybe we do burpee chest to bar. Maybe we do burpee bar muscle up. But to me, it doesn't make a lot of sense only because the box has a line bisecting it that I just think is going to be used for nothing but burpees. So to me, the burpees don't make a lot of sense here. I think some type of Fran workout, maybe with a rope climb buy-in makes a lot of sense. Bill Grundler had a really cool idea for one. So maybe it's something for time. And every round you have to start with one legless rope climb or two regular rope climbs, and then you progress. But I think it could just be something really simple,

like, um, 40 chest of our 20 thruster, 10 rope climb for time, just something like that. Yeah. I really like that. I think more,

I think more volume of chest of our, I think at least 60, I think 60, 60 and 30 makes more sense to me. I actually really liked the, um, thruster. Now that you bring it up.

Hey, what, where have the kettlebells been there were kettlebells on that list on the equipment list we didn't see them in the open right no correct and we will not see them for individual quarterfinals you could still see them for team quarterfinals age group quarterfinals or age group semifinals so why and why don't you think we'll see them because these are floor plans not not equipment lists. Well, if you're going to have a, you know,

there's a dumbbell that's shown there. There's no kettlebell shown anywhere. I think it would be awesome if we used a kettlebell in one of the workouts. They just were like, yeah, we don't have to put everything on the floor plan. You knew it was on the equipment list, but I don't think they'll do that. Jamie Latimer,

the old people have to do farmer's carries with it. That seems kind of like a go-to for old people, right? Farmer's carry? Well, it's only ever been in online competition once, and that was last year for the semifinals with legless rope climbs.

For the young people, right? For the age group or the for the age groups yeah uh i thought i saw the f word here um look at another victor victor uh fuck quarterfinals let's interview brian dude we had three hours of brian you're gonna dream about brian tonight we had we had we had two hours we had Frisbee, Brian, and we had, uh, um, real life,

Brian. And then now we have the CrossFit, Brian, what the fuck? Brian, what do you think about Legos road climbs at this stage? If we saw 60 year olds doing Legos road climbs and age group semifinals to get to the games? Yeah,

I think, uh, I think it's possible. Um, I'm just think about like, what's about what's a reasonable volume of those, and if they did have them, would they have a different volume for men than women, which often does happen. But I like this last workout as being, again, one of the shorter ones,

maybe the best people finishing it in the four- to six six minute range with something like an eight minute time cap and it's like uh you know i kind of like i like i said i think there's gonna be chest repose maybe like 60 chest repose i really like the thrusters maybe like 30 thrusters at 115 and 85 and then you know maybe 10 rope climbs or five legless rope climbs as the final component five if it's like legless rope is maybe like five slash four legless rope climb or they might have a different height for women than men which is how what i usually do when i broken them at the gym 15 and 12 feet we didn't have one negative thing to say about the floor plans that's pretty good i think if they they could do like 60 chest-to-bar, 30 thrust, or six rope climb legless, but then make three for women.

Yeah. Would you rather see less number for women or a lower height per rep? I personally like the lower height per rep because when we do rope climbs at the gym to 15 feet, most of the proficient men are getting up there in two pulls, and most of the proficient men are getting up there in two pulls and most of the proficient women are getting up there in three pulls it's like 30 harder for them to get up there when we do legless rope climbs i have a 15 and a 12 foot mark on the rope and i said men go to 15 the women go to 12 yeah but there there we go again do we need to adjust the wall ball height based on height brian do you ever do you ever

when you're boning like you start narrating like you start narrating your boning and with the right hand in a very dexterous move she pulled the sheets down letting in some much needed fresh air as 15 minutes here under these heavy blankets this caused a lot of slippage and wetness like you ever like hear your inner monologue just start narrating your sex life yeah i usually just kind of put my phone quietly on a record under the pillow nearby so i can listen back to it shut up i'm recording uh i think i just yeah okay sorry i didn't say any of that out loud did i okay i'm not attracted to brian oh my god okay well that makes that's just you

um uh okay so so this one um uh thoughts didn't say she she's more of a caleb type of a woman yeah i like my men. I like my men. Because my boyfriend is in the military. Wow, there you go. Tell me about this workout. Is this one really going to hurt? I think that for the best athletes and quarterfinals, this workout is going to be fun, whatever it is.

Likely chest support pull-ups. I think thruster is a athletes in quarterfinals, this workout's going to be fun, whatever it is. Likely chest-to-bar pull-ups. I think thruster's a great call here, JR. It's not going to scar them. That rower one's going to scar them, right? I think that one is the one that people are going to be like, God damn it, this bullshit again. Yeah. Yeah, like we don't want to get too deep in the weeds on that,

but it really helps. Like if you're someone that just made quarterfinals, maybe you barely made it to have a good coach that wants to help you do the best you can on them based on the order at which you do them. Because like for me, if an athlete, that's not someone that would say, Hey, you're going to be fine doing them in, you know, this order or this order, you know, it's not that big of a deal outside of an injury. If you see a workout like road GHD, and you know, it's just going to be the most painful workout.

You want to encourage them to do it probably not before they do four other tests if possible. Right. So if there's a workout that, you know, psychological implications, you are a physical, physical, like if there's going to be something that's just going to wreck your body. Like if your lower back tends to blow up easily and there's a workout with 135 deadlifts, if you have the choice, you probably don't want to do that one first. If it's test five, you might want to wait until Saturday or Sunday to do that one. And I think some people see workouts and they think, oh, I should do this one first because I'm the best at this. Well, maybe, but what's it going to do the rest of your weekend? You have to think about things like that.

Like what workouts are going to cause the most effect on all the rest of them? Are you able to like work around it? Because maybe this is the last year they give you the option to do them kind of the way you want. I'm still holding out hope that they do the passwords and that they force you to do two, two, one. You do like that. I think I like that too. That would be awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it doesn't look like there's going to be a single strength test this year, but there have been the last two years and JR knows this. And most of, if not all of the elite athletes just did that test first, even though it was listed as test four. And everyone who's done CrossFit knows that, you taper for two days and come into a gym and are trying to do a heavy lift, it's going to go better than if you've done three competitive workouts over 36 hours leading into that heavy lift.

I like it. And then they would be updating the leaderboard regularly. Well, that's going to happen anyway. But it will be a shit show if we'll be comparing apples to oranges to cucumbers. No, it won't. Because after the first two, no matter when you did your four rep max front squat, it did not show up until the time that it was due. Even if you submitted it, it didn't show up on a leaderboard. They only reveal the first two tests.

Or you maybe don't even have the option to submit it that early. And so, Sevan, the scores will be due at 12 Pacific, and then at 1 Pacific, the leaderboard will go live. So one hour after, you'll be able to see day by day. But you won't be able to tell. I must not be understanding something. Let's say you do workout one and two on the first day, and Brian does five and four, and I do one and five,

and then the leaderboard fills with our workouts. It's like, well, we can't compare ourselves. No, no, no, no matter how many or which workouts you've done in the first 24 hours, you can only, and must only submit workouts one and two. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But some of the top athletes or some athletes will just do all five workouts in one day. Hey, so then are we doing shows on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday? How could we not? No, I don't think so.

How could we not? I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. What's really been cool about the last two years is that they've been very similar in some of the program design. But what's been really cool about them is the effect that the tests have on the leaderboard on each day. Because in the past couple of years, the first two workouts have been predominantly, I would say, to the more gymnastics-based athlete. Lots of handstand push-ups, lots of pistols, lots of rope climbs, lots of GHDs, muscle-ups. And pistols lots of rope climbs lots of ghd's muscle ups and then workouts three and four have always included the heavy test whether it's the one rep max um you

know like the four rep max front squat or the other total so the leaderboard would flip really hard from day one to day two and then the cream will always be at the top and then the last day has been that high power output high, really fast workout where some people just weren't strong enough to move the moderately heavy barbell fast and others were and the leaderboard would flip again. So it'd be interesting to see if we get that kind of parody day to day. When's the leaderboard close? What time again? Every day? Closes at 12 Pacific and then it will populate at one

every day or just the first day on friday saturday and sunday at 1 p.m pacific time you should be able to see an updated leaderboard okay guys listen listen guys if we're if you're wanting to do shows i mean this is i'm i'm already stretched really thin during this i'm sure jr stretched even thinner than I am. It does make sense. I can definitely not do it in the middle of the day. Friday, 1 p.m. We'll be here.

Don't anyone worry. Saturday, 1 p.m. No chance. I will not be here. Definitely be here. Sunday, 1 p.m. You can invite other people, but it's not going to be me. Sunday, 1 p.m.

And what's a good time? Sunday, 1 p.m. Pot closes monday at 1 p.m no sunday sunday sunday at 12 pacific oh my god sunday show is going to be incredible and fucking incredible what time works for you guys on Friday and Saturday, Friday and Saturday? I don't know, because I'm I'm basically I've made myself available to all of the quarterfinal athletes and they have to be flexible around the class schedules. So if they want to come in at eight o'clock on Friday night and do it, I will do it. Well, I'm very flexible to Brian, if you want to do it at 9 30 at night on friday i'll do it then too saturday's ufc big fight guys big fight saturday night during

the ufc fight i can do it hey you'll save me 79 dollars opportunity ever since you scheduled a show during the world cup listen uh. You owe it to me. Is John Young gay? I don't know. How the fuck would we know? We can ask him. How would we know? Well, I mean, he's going to say no. He has a wife. But I'll ask him. We'll get him on the show. John Young and Tyler Watkins

are both gay. Oh, no. Sorry. I read that wrong. John Young and Tyler Watkins will be doing quarterfinals. Okay. Okay. Oh, no. Sorry. I read that wrong. John Young and Tyler Watkins will be doing quarterfinals. Okay. Okay. So, guys, we're going to do shows. We'll be doing shows. Listen, Friday

at 1 o'clock, it will be me and JR, and we will also have Adrian Bosman on. And I promise you if we get Adrian here, Brian will be here. I will not. All right. Well, Brian, so the JV team is doing quarters.

Thank you. What did you say? That everybody who lied in their scores is going to be on that show yeah god ufc is going to be crazy saturday so i got saturday at uh 10 p.m show okay that's perfect okay and sunday at 1 p.m show a pacific standard time when's the fight uh i think i you know what i don't i i that's a great question i i have a feeling um the fights might be a little weird uh i don't know usually they're at 7 p.m pacific standard time uh ufc UFC schedule yeah it's Saturday at 2pm

Saturday at 2pm yeah it's crazy it must be in Europe or something I guess it's Saturday night is open then okay so Friday what time works for you guys Friday you guys have a time

what are you doing I know your wife's standing over you with a whip right now. Would you just look up to her and ask her, honey, Friday? No, she's she's in the bathroom. She put the whip down quick. No, she's asleep for sure. She's definitely asleep. I will be doing quarterfinals like I'll be judging and doing all that, especially between the hours of 9 and 12 and 1 and 4 because they all have to do them not during class time.

So that 1 to 4 window is huge. And then I'll be coaching in the afternoon and stuff. So 5 p.m pacific standard time uh on on friday that would be two that would be a eastern uh no i could do i could do a little bit earlier than that but i can't do that late i would say and brian has to go later and you have to go earlier oh this is gonna get fun uh bill grundler you'rerendler, dust off that fucking mouth of yours.

TBD. I think we can have these conversations off the air. All right. It's so much more fun on the air. JR has kids, Sevan, like I give a fuck. Fuck you. Barry. Okay. We'll see you guys Friday, Saturday, and sunday and uh did he write down all our

predictions for the workouts not really i pretended to i had a pencil and paper i remember one i was just scribbling around and people in the comments will tell me they'll be like jr was spot on they're incredible jr was so off on that one look at my cab fine helping good helping you're up. Good. Halpin, you're up. Dust it off, Halpin. You're up. We'll bring on a lot of guys. This is going to be good. It's going to be a great show. Good. Focus on the cut line. No one cares about who's at the top.

Truly. You mean that though, right? Truly. Yeah. This competition is about the cut line. It has nothing to do with the overall winners because there's nothing on the line for them. But having people, especially like Brian and Halpin, that know the athletes, that know that's team, that's team, that's team. I mean, of course, people are going to ask, well, why are they doing it? Well, because things happen every day.

Next week, one of your teammates may get injured and you want a fallback plan. But most people that you know are committed to teams, it'll be good to know who in the top 60 day to day will not stay there based on whatever reason. Yeah. And like JR said, there's like a high likelihood that, you know, the first two combinations of tests will favor a specific style of athletes or a specific athlete, and they might be looking great, but there may be a couple of heavy tests looming or a couple things that are, you know, holes that we're aware of for them. If there are legless rope climbs in the last workout, we might be looking at someone and say, yeah, they're probably going to do pretty well,

but what's going to happen when they get to that legless rope climb? Who are you calling? Ghostbusters. And Brian just said legless rope climb. Patrick could help for the right amount. I heard Claire Bays is free. You guys are so helpful. Andrew Hiller he's always on deck

Dave screening your calls we reached Matt leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can thanks have a great day at the tone please record your message when you finish recording you may hang up or press 1 for more options Sousa can you put on the

calendar um quarterfinal shows uh friday saturday sunday uh the times don't matter just make up times and we'll adjust them as it goes you can start with one o'clock he was saying thank you say there you go you have a tough time saying no don't you me you know i do oh i know but i like that about you it's good you're a good dude but not now i know now i know hey dude you invested in that mic say i did that yeah yeah that was good you invest you invested in that mic and you probably have like a uh uh what's that thing called that the chinese people use with the beads a hibiscus what's that thing calabas a smackus uh an abacus abacus thank you hibiscus he's got an abacus there and he's always

trying to figure out how much like how he's leveraging the equipment he purchased for the show and how he's making his money back on it. Uses. Okay, this used to cost me $300 a show. Now it's $150 a show. Now it's $75 a show. I just wrote it off. This and the laptop. Just write it off.

Awesome. Abacus, thank you. Thank you. I think this guy might be a dickhead, this your dagger dude do we are we fighting this guy he's really nice oh all right my bad oh bruce wayne oh sorry guys i'm keeping on and we have to go bruce uh my mom says um it's too much with the um with the movie uh thumbnails that it has to be like every fifth one or just what shows that i do with hiller that you have to show some pictures where i actually look cool or else then it's not funny if like every one i'm in a movie there's like two pictures of you

and the entire internet okay i'll send you some the one this is the one brian sent count as one no no uh suza hi yo hey what's up dude hey don't listen don't listen to anything yeah don't listen to him whatever he says right now don't listen to him I don't listen to them. Sorry. Okay. Sorry. JR has been drinking.

Oh, nice. I want to schedule shows for a quarter final shows for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. All right. What? Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Yeah. The time doesn't matter. I just want to get them on the schedule and then I'll bug Caleb every 15 minutes about switching it. All right. p.m guys watch what on monday phone call at seven oh my god one of these is one of these crossfit shows open i'm so sick of them tuesday seven more shows about crossfit everyday shows about crossfit time doesn't about CrossFit. Time doesn't matter. Get them on the schedule. JR, when did you say, when does the quarterfinals

close? Sunday at 1pm? That's when the leaderboard populates, yeah. And so that's what they have to be due by Sunday. The last, the fifth workout has to be due Sunday by noon. Correct. 11.15. Okay. Yeah, JR would like to do them. 1 p.m. is a good starting point for JR.

Roger that. All right. All right, thank you, Mr. Susan. We miss you. All right, bye. Bye. Is he stoned? There was a Brokeback Mountain thumbnail.

Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, great. Which guy was I? Was I the top or the bottom guy? Simon, did you get the next disc golf show on the schedule for Monday night? You forgot to tell Sousa that. Oh, shit. Shit, shit, shit, shit.

It's going to be a very busy weekend for you. Shit. Okay, hold on. Sorry. Is that really? I wonder who our guest is Monday. And then we'll close the show. Hey.

Yeah, hello. Sorry, Monday the 20th, we're blessed with another... Oh, fuck. We're blessed with another... Why do I always look like the dude who just... Why do i always look like the dude who just why do i always look like the goober have you seen the one with me and brian i look horrible caleb's fucking me right now on the show so hard uh monday monday the 20th can you um schedule a frisbee show also it's our third one it's it's in austin those frisbees all right monday the 20th what time 6 p.m again uh yes is that good brian 6 p.m

yep okay thank you brian thank you so much for being votable today okay okay bye that was awkward bye. It's your face. I know. I know. Unfortunately, you're right. It is my face. I love it.

I love that someone pays Brian and Frisbee shows. Oh, wow. Did you get the final trolling the leaderboard episode for next Tuesday night? Did you get that on the schedule? Is that really what it would be? That was, that was the plan. I mean,

we could, I mean, we could do it on Sunday theory, but there's always a chance that things change a little bit over the, those couple of days. That's Tuesday, the 21st. I better text him that this is too much information to give him.

Oh, and the 21st is, does that work for you, Jared? It's the same. It's the same time as this show. Not just next week. 21st of Tuesday.

Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. The face of a goober. I know, I know it's, it's a pretty goober face. Okay.

Thank you, everyone. We will see you tomorrow morning, 7 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. Joshua Bridges will be here? Some comments are so bad, I can't even read them out loud. Bye bye.