The Sevan Podcast - #96 - Jayson Hopper

Episode Date: August 5, 2021

The Sevan Podcast Episode 96 Today we have Jayson Hopper as a guest for today's podcast @jhoppr3 The Sevan Podcast is sponsored by http://www.barbelljobs.com Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/therealsevanpodcast/ Sevan's Stuff: https://www.instagram.com/sevanmatossian/?hl=en https://app.sugarwod.com/marketplace/3-playing-brothers Brian's Stuff: https://www.instagram.com/brianfriendcrossfit/ https://morningchalkup.com/author/brianfriend/ Support the show Partners: https://cahormones.com/ - CODE "SEVAN" FOR FREE CONSULTATION https://www.paperstcoffee.com/ - THE COFFEE I DRINK! https://asrx.com/collections/the-real... - OUR TSHIRTS ... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Can you guys hear me okay? What's up, Brian? I just ordered it. Oh, cool. Look at you. You're all happy and excited and shit okay i just saw a link go out we're about to go live on youtube i don't know why i'm so nervous

i do not know why i am so no no facial hair protecting you today maybe is that why i don't know why i'm so nervous. Look at my picture on YouTube. It's all fucked up. That's okay. There's nothing to look at. Jason, whoa. Wow, look at all those comments. Okay, guys, I'm going to check out here. I will

check in with you guys later. We have two podcasts today. We are going to do one about scoring later. Subject that kind of bores me, but Brian will make it interesting for me. Uh, we are going to do one about scoring later. Um, subject that kind of bores me, but, um, Brian will make it interesting for me. Okay. Bye. Oh, bye. Kind of bores me. So, uh, while we wait for Jason, I want to tell you guys something, uh, explain something to you about kindness. I tell you a story. So my kids take jujitsu three days a week at Garth Taylor jujitsu. And, uh And it's an incredible program and it's jam packed. And I

think there's actually a waiting list to get into the class. And so basically I take my four year olds are in one class that's an hour long. And then my six year olds like in a class that's like an hour and 15 minutes long or something like that. And they're back to back classes. And the little four year old class, it's like kids who are like three to six, I think. And it's jam-packed. And all the parents sit along the wall on these benches, right? So you get in there and your kids get on the mat and then you sit on the bench. Well, there's times you have to get up.

Like your kid needs water or you need to retie their belt or there's reasons why you have to get up. And the other day, this lady next to me, she, she gets up and she puts her sunglasses on her seat and it's packed and the seats are like, are valuable territory, right? So she puts her sunglasses on her seat and gets up to deal with her kids. Well, this guy comes over and goes to me, are these your sunglasses? I said, no, they belong to that lady over there. So he picks up her sunglasses and takes them over to her while she's dealing with her kid and goes, hey, these are your sunglasses, and then takes her seat. And it's like two minutes into class, and it's so fucking obvious to me that it's her seat.

And I'm like, it's bizarre because he's trying to be kind, but he's stealing her seat. I mean, he might as well have said, yo, I'm stealing your seat. Get your fucking glasses out of here. So she stands up and turns around and realizes what happens she's cool as shit you know i mean and all the parents there get along it's it's it is a really really nice scene there and then she sits on the floor and like he can clearly see like that she sat on the floor like what the what the fuck and so i i just thought i thought it was like this rare occurrence right 15 minutes into the class my kid comes over and goes hey i gotta go pee so i pick him up because

i pick him up and i carry him to the bathroom and i come back and this dude's in my seat and it's i'm just like come on come on people come on i mean that's just basic uh that's just basic just basic courtesy basic basic basic courtesy who was in the seat that he was in previously i don't know that's a great that's a that's a great question um i i spend the entire class between looking at my instagram and trying to reply to all my DMs and making sure that my kids at least get in a few chokeouts every class. By the way, that class is amazing. If you live anywhere near Garth Taylor Jiu-Jitsu, you should sign your kid up for it. It's crazy.

And if you don't, you should get your kid in Jiu-Jitsu. Johnny Form, thanks for the $4.99 in your pounds, in your kid in jujitsu, Johnny form. Thanks for the four 99 in your, in your pounds, in your, in your, in your UK money. I love the UK money. Uh,

did, did, where is Jason? Did him bought a new laptop? I don't know if he bought a new laptop, but with all of your generous donations from the game, seriously, you guys aren't going to believe this.

I can't believe this. I can't believe we pulled this off. Brian actually got a computer. He ordered a computer today with the money that you guys sent in from the games. It's nuts. I actually would have preferred that we use it to pay for my kids' jujitsu classes for the next six months, but we didn't. But we didn't. I want to tell you, I'm also mad at our executive producer and sort of the founder of the Sevan podcast, Matt Souza. Punch him in the stomach when I see him later today or tomorrow or whenever I see him.

This guy, he works his ass off to get guests on the show, like the great Jason Hopper. Relevant guest, Bill Sharp. Thanks for the $4.99. Get Brian to tell his favorite disc golf and discs and players. Oh, please, Bill. That's going to be more than five bucks if you want me and Jason to listen to that shit. Please, Bill. Please.

Don't get Brian. Jason and I don't give a shit about disc golf. And so. I don't know if that's true. Jason asked me to teach him to play. Oh, you jocks. You fucking jocks who play anything. So then Matt's trying to get MMA fighters on,

and he's telling me he's making a lot of headway. I think we're going to have a lot of fighters and managers and agents on, and I feel like crazy confident and excited that we're going to get in there and get some great stories and hear some new angles to these stories. But he tells the guy, he's bragging that we have 200,000 downloads in the last 28 days. And I'm like, Matt, we have 700,000 downloads in the last 28 days. And that really blows my mind. But between iTunes, YouTube and Spotify, it's like if you hear your girlfriend whispering to her friends and she's bragging about the size of your penis to them. And she's like, yeah, he has a great penis, all seven inches of it, and you know you're packing 10.

It's like, yeah, I like that my girlfriend's bragging about my penis, but you missed it by three inches. I mean it just hurts a little bit. It just hurts a little bit. Another little bit of house cleaning here. There was the – I did a podcast with Dave yesterday when he was at the airport. And there was a comment in there saying, hey, like I can't believe I fucking clicked on this. I can't believe I watched this. This is the worst podcast I've ever heard, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the other 30 comments are just like, hey, thank you so much. This is the greatest ever. And I realized that if you come to this podcast and you don't know what you're like looking at or what you're doing, then you're going to totally miss out on the gems that come out of this podcast. thought he was going to a rap concert and he was so fucking pissed that he showed up at the Oakland Philharmonic. It's like he had no idea what he was looking at. He had no idea the gems that Dave was fucking dropping. And so he said something stupid on YouTube. But it also made me aware that

like, hey, this show I don't want it to be niche, but it is. Maybe it is niche. Sucks. Bum me out. Hopper, what's up? Thanks for coming on. What's up, man?

Is there an echo? No. You sound good. You look good. I have this guy doing yard work behind me, so if y'all hear that randomly, then mute me. You don't do your own yard work? No. He doesn't mute himself either i'll mute my own i'll mute my own computer no no it's good don't ever mute yourself why don't

you do your own yard work because i rent oh yeah yeah good point so so that so you're yeah that's what i i have a rental and i um both i i have have a, make sure I have a gardener going for two reasons. So we can. You're renting still? No, no, I rent a home, two people, homes, two people, but one so that my gardener can spy on my tenants and two that I can make sure the gardens stays dope. Bro, do you grow marijuana? I do grow marijuana. Well, that's a little bit of a mistake. The marijuana grew in my yard, and I did not plant it, but I have not evicted it either. Have I sent you pictures of that? No, you put it on your Instagram.

Oh, yeah. It's an amazing plant. Don't hate on God's creatures, Hopper. That's what you're doing. I'm not hating. Oh, yeah. It's an amazing plant. Don't hate on God's creatures, Hopper. That's what you're doing. I'm not hating. Oh, good. Do you smoke weed? No, man. Have you ever smoked weed?

No. You know, Dave's never smoked weed either. He's L7 also. L7? L7 also. L7? L7. Square. Did y'all hear that behind me? No. Did you fart? No, the dude was doing your hard work.

You made a post and I can't remember exactly. It was an ask me anything uh post yeah and someone said what what what advice did matt fraser give you can you tell us about that i thought then after um half a little bit of that that post was me kidding and another half was um him being serious i talked to him after the competition and we were looking back and talking about some events from the beginning of the week so it was like he wasn't being serious because it was more of like we were joking about some things like for instance my strategy on the rope climb i came out

burning hot and so we were to the point where we were able to laugh about it so he um he saw some things, you know, being there. And you know Matt, so he has that sense of humor. So part of it was he, I don't know how that conversation got brought up, but he said something about me looking like my dog got kicked. And I thought it was funny. But we laughed about it, but I threw it out there just to get some laughs on Instagram. Oh, I thought it was very poignant. I thought it was like some great advice. Like basically you said to him, someone asked, hey, what did Matt say to you about the competition or what advice did he give you?

And he said, stop acting like someone kicked your dog. Meaning like don't feel sorry for yourself. Like he thought you were moping out there. Were you moping? No. I can look up that word if you need to know the full definition because I'm not even sure the exact definition. No, I wasn't moping. Something was going on you were

you were you were struggling to what yeah there was definitely something going on you were struggling you were you were you were you were struggling might not be the right word but you were processing your your it it looked like you weren't living it looked like you weren't living up to your expectations, and it was a fucking shitload for you to process. The expectations you put on yourself, by the way. Let me clarify. I mean, there are some truths to that. It was more of a, I struggled because I had – what are you laughing about about brian there must be someone in the comments just tearing either me or you up and how can i see how can i see the comments you would have to go to

uh you youtube and drop the pop down window that's why brian brian normally never reads the comments either yeah i'm not reading the comments i'm watching the last husafel bag carry of yours oh that's even worse oh jesus oh jesus that's not nice brian come on we're not even 10 minutes into the show and you're already gotta warm them up i told him i told him the other night i said you should take a picture of the of this moment right here and put it on his wall or his gym or something and use it as motivation to never have this experience again. Is that the event where they had to help you off the field? Yeah, man. Ryan, is there a video of Hopper needing to be helped off the field?

Dude, I actually hope there is. Do you think that, thank you. Do you think that, like, I don't know any other sports. Does Tom Brady ever lose? Did he ever lose a Super Bowl? Yeah. He did? Yeah.

Do you think like afterwards, like 48 48 hours after Tom Brady loses Super Bowl, he gets on a Zoom call with his friends or a FaceTime call and they just rip on him? Dude, your arm looked like a fucking noodle. Jesus Christ, did you have diarrhea that whole game? You were running around like a jackass. Does he have people breaking his balls or is it just too sensitive? No, I'm sure it is.

I'm sure he's over it at that point. Two days later. How long did I'm sure he's over it at that point. Two days later. How long did it take you to get over it? The next day. What did you finish? 19th. What are you happy about from the games? I'm happy about a few things um i obviously took some blows throughout really every single day i took a big blow whether it was whatever event it was um i'm happy

of the way that i handled the adversity obviously Obviously it looks like I'm like pouting maybe on TV from some perspectives. Um, really it was just, there's a passion that I have and I hate like there's a frustration that's going to come out and I'm okay with people seeing that and having a misconception about what that is. Um, but I'm happy about, there were some events, for instance, like the, the rope, no, the muscle ups, muscle ups was the second event. And I came in seventh and the next event. And then I took 24th and then even after that, then I came back on Friday morning and took a big blow. Rope climb was one of the worst workouts there. And then I came back with the cleans. I think the cleans were next. So when you look at all the events, it's like I took a big punch and then I had like a top 10

finish, took a big punch, had a top 10 finish. And big punch out of top 10 finish and so I was proud of the way that it was really hard for me to like get over the event like obviously I did carry that into the next event because I'm a rookie and so I never like people said hey like as soon as the event is over like you put that to the side but it's really way harder said than done as a rookie um especially if like you have all this you mean way harder done than said way harder done than said no i'm yeah as a rookie it's way harder than not being a rookie right right right um so as a rookie like i did ride the emotional roller coaster all weekend long and i hated it um but people had told me not to do that

and i was like dude i won't ride that that roller coaster like i'll move on from events but i rode the hell out of that coaster bro um and so um i would obviously bring that into the next event but also i'm i'm proud that it didn't necessarily affect the next event. You know, like I took a lot of punches, but I bounced back in a way that I was proud of. And then I took a punch and then I bounced back in a way that I was proud of. So it was really like throw a punch, get punched, throw a punch, get punched. So I'm happy the way that I kept just fighting as a rookie.

punch, get punched. So I'm happy the way that I kept just fighting as a rookie. Were there any other rookies in there that made it in the top 20? I see Lazar Jukic is the only one that I see. There were three rookies in the top 20 besides Jason. They were all from Europe. So it was Jukic who finished ninth, Andre Houdet who finished 15th, and Enrique Apelainen who finished one spot ahead of him in 18th. Okay, so 25% of the field was rookies.

You beat Will Morad. He finished 20th. Did you get a chance to walk over to him and tell him he's a bitch or anything like that? Like just posture on him, bump him? No, I like Will. Give him a wet willy? That's okay. I like him too. He's dope, but still, you got to posture on someone.

Oh, I didn't. What did, what did your mom and dad say to you throughout the weekend? You, you said you weren't talking to them. Is that true?

Yeah, I didn't talk to them throughout the whole weekend. And then what did they say when it was over? Thanks for wasting our time. We watched all week. Oh, my mom was super proud oh that's awesome i love it yeah and do you like that making your parents proud yeah um yeah i love my mom was crying um and she was just so happy to be there and it wasn't about winning for her. It was more about, hey, my son's doing what he loves,

and I love watching him, and she enjoyed it every single second of it. So that made me happy. Did she give you any feedback about your demeanor, the someone kicked your dog demeanor? Did she give you any feedback on that? Before we get into like some specific events there was also tell me about um your what was going on between you and dave during the the after the the the events were you and dave like mad dogging each other and were you guys gonna throw down or what's going on there's a lot of people saying that like you

and him were like like giving each other nasty looks and shit. Have you talked to Dave about that? I may have. I may have. He gave me a mean mug, man, and I gave it back. But he started it. Oh, damn. Oh, damn.

Okay. But by the end of the weekend, not so much. The last event when you walked off the floor you smiled and winked at him that's i think that's what you saw i don't think i i don't i don't recall winking at that dude i definitely thought it was tell me i couldn't miss it it may have been in the moment thing he had something in his eye it was a twitch it's his twitch right before he throws a right hook it's his tell um tell me about your your your your conversation with him in the tunnel you're funny saman thank you thank you i can't tell you about that conversation you can't why would i tell you you know exactly what i told him and you know i can't say that

You can't? Why would I tell you? You know exactly what I told him, and you know I can't say that. You're a good dude. But you guys did leave on very good terms, and it's all good. It was just a misunderstanding. Yeah, man, we're good. We talked right after in the tunnel.

We talked right after I gave him the death stare. He gave it first, and I gave it back, and then he came up to me. He saw him in the tunnel. We exchanged some words. That's when I told him what I gave him the death stare he gave it first and I gave it back and then he came up to me saw him in the tunnel we exchanged some words that's when I told him what I told him um and that was that yeah so I he the way the way I heard the story from witnesses and from him is that you gave the mean look first but but that's not really important what's important is that it was just a misunderstanding that wasn't advice matt fraser gave you was it hey whatever you do just fucking mad dog day the whole week because if you did matt gives some good advice but that would be bad advice i think well i was a little pissed

because i was a i was a little pissed at dave because of the event study program so i guess that frustration was probably seen um what do you think about the programming? I mean, it was very high skilled. So I got exposed, which I'm not saying like I, because of the program, if the programming wasn't skilled, then I would have won. I'm not saying that like, obviously was not the fittest man out there. Just Medeiros earned every single second of that. But there was obviously

some events that you you see and you're like oh man this is not going to be fun like when you release 48 consecutive muscle-ups it was like oh man that's not going to be fun at all um like five pig flips i was like there's no way i can separate enough to even get a head start on 48 muscle-ups. And then there was like some events that I was just like, I got exposed in and it was very high skilled and I wouldn't look at and be like, oh, that's a well, that's a pretty well balanced event for me. So it's like the deadlifts and handstand walk, but like, I'm pretty really good at deadlifts, but the workout wasn't about deadlifts at all. It was about who's going to figure out these handstand pushups without a

wall. And so I'd be like, in my feelings about that, but I'm not saying like if it was flipped the other way that I would have, everything would have been different. I'm just, I can, when the workouts released, like who, who do you take your frustration out on except Dave? I mean, he's the one that came out with this crap. So it's easy to be like, Oh, thanks Dave. Like you just made me, you're going to make me come in last again on this event.

Cause I've never done a handstand pushup before. So it was, he released that and it's like, you look at Dave and it's, you shake your head. So. Oh, like a free, a freest standing handstand push-up yeah um i just want to talk about justin madaris's win for a second there was something very interesting that i've been pondering in my head a little bit um you know pat velner beat him on eight of the seven events he did the 15 8 of the 15 what did i say 8 of the seven sorry eight of the 15 so there were 15 events yeah and if you were so basically if you were if it would have just been let's say let's say like

let's say like ebola was here and they had to reduce the games to just two people and it was just pat and pat and justin pat would have won. That's pretty cool, I guess. Just food for thought, people. Just food for thought. I was messing with Pat a little bit. I told him I said that. There's a lot of things that you could say, but if Pat could have won if he came 20th in the swim.

Yeah, if Pat wouldn't have drowned in the water, yeah. He could have won, too. That's true. I told him I didn't. Pat didn't have drowned in the water. Yeah, he could have won too. That's true. I told him I didn't. Pat didn't take his floaties out there. I told Pat, I said, you're probably the fittest person alive who doesn't know how to kayak. Good effort, Jason. Thank you, 7-On-1 Podcast team, for keeping us fed

with content post-games. No problem, Nick of Time. Thanks for always throwing the coin at us. Kent Skikes, great coverage over this weekend. You both did great. And insights with Dave were fantastic. See if you can get Hopper's phone number for me. I want to set him up with my sister.

Wow. No, he didn't say that. That's what he was thinking. Jason, Jason, how many pig flips do you think they would have needed to be on either side of those muscle-ups to offset 48 muscle-ups? I was hoping for 100 feet. I think that would have helped the cause. But, I mean, 48 muscle-ups is – I was out there forever doing 48 muscle-ups.

I was hoping – I think the difference would have been for me if it was 100 feet and just bar muscle-ups because that's what i trained hoping it was that was it um but the combo it was just so it was such a big set that it was so easy for like i'm not the most elite at ring muscle-ups and so when he says 48 like like I instantly thought to myself, that is such a big set for someone just to slowly separate from me. And so I knew that there was like, I was, I'm pretty realistic about like my expectations. Like there was nothing in me that said, oh, I have five pig flips and now I have to beat Patrick Vellner and Justin Medeiros off 48 ring muscle-ups. Like I knew that wasn't going to be the case. And so there was, there was a lot of things that, you know, happened in that, that event that I came, listen to this.

I got out of that swim after an hour of being on the lake. And I was so just drowsy and like, so like you ever, you ever get done of like a long late day and you're like, I get to nap. Yeah. I was literally like, we were out there all for an hour and I get back and they're like, oh, you have an hour before we go out there. And I'm like, dude, there's no way I can, I'm feeling this way. And I have to do 48 ring muscle ups for time. It's not going to happen. So, man, it was, it was a weird feeling, but it was a hard event, man. It was the going back and forth.

The rings were super low. That's probably why I'm also pissed at Dave because the, the young, the shorter guys get the little step up, but the taller guys can't adjust the ring. So I was hitting my toes on the ground and whatnot. So thanks Dave. What's the most muscle ups you've ever done in, in, in training?

Do you ever do 90 or a hundred consecutively? No, but just like in a workout, do you ever do muscle ups with with like oh yeah i've done like i think training the capacity when we train it we get up to like 80 to 90 in a session okay the capacity wasn't isn't necessarily the issue like i can do if it was like a sets of 15 then i could do 10 come down shake it out get five like relatively fast it was like a sets of 15, then I could do 10, come down, shake it out, get five, like relatively fast. It was 48 over time, but just the lactic acid of that buildup is like,

dude, I'm 220. Like I'm not going to beat anybody off 48 ring muscle ups. I get that too. I, I did a workout yesterday where I was doing sets of 10 toes to bar, basically every four minutes. And I was able to do all the sets unbroken but if i have to do anything more than 50 consecutive toes to bar then i just start breaking down around the 50 55 it's kind of like if we rode a like like a 10k like all those guys i'm gonna be probably up there on top of the leaderboard if we wrote a 10k most of those guys would be on my butt for the first 500 000 meters though like a couple seconds behind me but as the as it gets longer and longer and we get deeper into it i'm just going to slowly be separating myself from them

because i'm a better rower um but that's the same thing for the remuscle ups it was like okay for 12 i'm right on your butt you beat me by like one rep off 12. You beat me by three reps to 24. And as we get deeper and deeper and deeper, you just slowly – I'm getting more fatigued because I'm not as good, and you're just slowly separating yourself. And so when you get to 48, I'm at like 30 still. And then last.

Jason, you did good on the swim in the kayak 12th place. It's basically for a lot of people. And I'm guessing for you, correct me if I'm wrong. It was basically a place just to mitigate damage. No, it was at first until they released the kayak and they give me, and they gave me flippers,

bro. So how were the flippers? Amazing. So so the thing the reason i came in 12th because the flipper the flippers helped me more than it helped anybody else why is that because the flippers position you in the water better and if you're a good swimmer you don't need you don't need help positioning yourself in the water. Your hips are already up. Everything's where they need to be. So the flippers just help you swim paddle faster or have a better kick.

So that's going to help you go faster. But the flippers also help put your hips in the right position if they're not in the right position. So mine, I have terrible position in the right position if they're not in the right position so mine i have terrible like position in the water so the flippers are going to help me be more positioned and help me kick um so like i'm still going to get beat but if justin maderos or whoever came in first in the swim in the mile had cut like three minutes off their mile time because of the flippers i'm cutting like 10 minutes off my mile time because of the flippers um so the flippers helped with everything so they helped me because i was one of the worst swimmers out there um so yeah so you're happy with your 12th place

finish on that yeah dude yeah i would be too if i were you i was expecting to be like the goal is top 20 in that in that event um and then i think i got out of the water around 20th and then dude i got on that kayak and i just went to work and i picked like eight people off what was event number two the ring muscle ups and what the ring muscle ups and the ring muscle ups and the pig flip yeah so you go into that event you you said you were you said you were ready to take the day off after the swim kayak but by the time you lined up at at the lineup for event two were you back in the game did you feel fired up oh yeah dude i was amped okay and then you take 33rd in that, and you're pissed. Tell us about when that event was over, where you were at, if you can remember. Obviously, a little frustrated.

I mean, I don't even remember. I get done, and it was the first time that it was the first 30 place finish and i had expectations not to have any any of those like there was so much hype around me and i was like well maybe i'm starting to like believe the hype you know and it's like i'm getting to this event and i had done it in training and i had done the pig flip. I had a flip sled that everybody else had. So I'm flipping the flip sled and I'm doing bar muscle ups though. And I'm thinking the bar muscle ups are the ring. Adding the rings are going to be a little bit different.

But I didn't think it was going to be like drastically different. And we were out there flip the sled or flip the pig five and, you know, bomb the ring muscle ups and the bar muscle ups and then get back. And it was like, dude, like, I think I was most frustrated because it was the second workout and I was already, I already put myself in a hole. Like if I was going to put myself in a hole, like let's, let's bomb an event that is like deeper into the weekend where I have some like momentum building, not like the first couple.

And so like, like not let it get into your head so quickly. Yeah. Like, let me have a good first day and then like have some momentum. So at that point I had no momentum. It was like 12th place which was cool um and then i bombed that one and it was like they have no momentum whatsoever so it was hard to like i wanted to get my get the ball rolling and i just didn't so i was a little bit frustrating event number three you took seventh place what was event number three

that was the sprint yeah um what did you think about your placement in that i was a little bit frustrated with that as well came in seventh um i i was in a slower group not that they do that was running with were slow we were just running as a group we were running slower compared to the the third group that did all their stuff in like one i think their stuff was their run was 115 and so i had paced off noah and travis and um another dude in that group that one. And so we were running, I think it was a Luca Jukic. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, and so we were running like, and at the same time that I, so I, that was a second event after that was a third event, the event right after the ring must slip. So there was a level of like,

okay, as a rookie, I'm already having these thoughts of like, okay, like I'm kind of scared to attack this because I already bombed the second workout. So it was like, you come out way too hot in this and you could get hot, you know, like you don't want to kick it at the last second or you don't want to kick it too early and then get caught where you can't finish like at your peak. And so there was a lot of doubt of like, okay, you don't want to go too slow, but you don't want to go too fast. And so I didn't want to bomb it because this was a good opportunity for me to climb the leaderboard, but also didn't have that mentality, like attack mentality because it was more of like hey like let's play the safe almost you know because i i just brought this the baggage from event two into my strategy for event three when it shouldn't have there was like because i bombed

event three this this had nothing to do with how i should strategize event three. And I did let it do that. Um, because I was just, there was an intimidation and fear of bombing and coming in 33 again. Did you talk that strategy out with anyone or is it more subconscious or it's just in your own head? Like, do you talk it out with your coach or anything like that? My coach was competing. Oh, so your coach wasn't even around. No, I was by myself for day one by myself.

All right, we'll get back to that in a second. I am Hop. Can you ask Jason if he has contemplated joining a team for training this year? Not if he is, but if he's contemplated it,

thought about it. None of your business is a perfectly acceptable answer. Thanks for the 10 bucks, I i am you get paid right now you just they're just dishing out money yeah we'll send you a few cents we'll send you a few cents no it won't um no i haven't even thought about any of that stuff man um i'm still trying to just decompress from the games but well those conversations will be had they will be had yeah you but so let me ask you this would you go team next year i don't think that's what that person means i think he means will he go in a line with some one of these training camps that has popped up in the last year and train alongside other

elite individual athletes. Oh, you mean like a comp train or a training think tank? Learn how to interpret the comments. But I like my question too. Are you going to go on a team next year to hide your weaknesses? Yeah, man,

I'm starting a team. Me, Jason, you've said that you said you won't leave it's a great question though me and taylor are going to um it's a great question because basically when we first interviewed you said you really weren't interested in leaving your hometown that life was so good yeah it still is like there are some things that i don't think i'm i want to change um like i have my best friends live here and you know this is where i feel called to live greenville is amazing all the whole nine yards and so there are some things that

i don't think that i want to change especially like hearing Matt's story about going to Cookville. There are some things that I've learned from other people that I don't think I would. Plus, if you look at the results from this year's games, Justin Medeiros trains alone. Pat Vellner trains alone. Fikowski trains alone. Saxon Panczuk trains with his brother. Those are the top four guys. BKGkg very consistent training

i think the the joining a team or joining like a a training camp that conversation wouldn't happen for another couple of years because there are so many things that played there are so many reasons why i came in 18th that weren't necessarily because 19th 19th 19th because i because i wasn't i don't know what i was saying like i i came in 19th not because i was training alone or with a somebody or a training camp like maybe if you would have been at the front if you would have been at the Froning Empire. Let me say one, two things. Brian cannot put sacks and trains with two of the best crossfitters who's ever walked the fucking planet.

So that was a slip up on Brian. Him and his brother moved away from his – him and Spencer moved away from Scott a couple years ago. What I was trying to point out is that in this last year, a lot of these training camps have popped up. But if you look at the men's top ten, I don't see anyone in the top 10 here except for Noah Olson. And Noah Olson's training, he's been a part of that group for a while, whose training is part of those training camps that have emerged.

They all train on their own for the most part. And no matter what Matt says about his experience in Cookville, he fucking won the games five times so i i mean but he won the game he won the games before he moved out there right but i'm just saying i'm just saying it it's a um people's personal feelings versus you know excuse me what i'm saying is the training camp the training camp method is unproven so far the people who did the training camps this year didn't do as well as the people

who did not fair enough and maybe it was just year one of those things and that will change in the future but based on this year alone especially if you're talking about the men's field you want to talk about where Hopper wants to be which is on the podium and you look at Medeiros in the future. But based on this year alone, especially if you're talking about the men's field,

you want to talk about where Hopper wants to be, which is on the podium, and you look at Medeiros, Villeneuve, Fikowski, those guys train all alone. And they have been for the majority of their careers. I bet you that no one

who trains at the Froning Empire, Mayhem Empire, has any problems with handstand push-ups or handstand walks. Neither do those three guys okay there uh john berthesil berthesil john john john thank you for the 499 thoroughbred sportswear.com gotta get

brian a t-shirt as well oh yeah those guys sent me a t-shirt with a horse on it that was kind of cool i love it so you can donate money to us and then advertise your shit right on the in the chat that's cool uh so so you do the sprint um pacing you were pacing off the guys in there and you were also a little bit um uh shell shock from your previous finish. You were trying to be smarter. And you think it may have inhibited how hard you pushed yourself. Yeah. And then we get to event number four. And I realized that I went too slow at the gate because I had like 50 more meters at the last. I kicked it on when we got into the

stadium and i passed everybody that i was running behind and then i almost hawked down the person in front of me i lost by like half a second or something but i could have kept that speed for like 50 more meters because he was slowing down and i was going to pass him if it was more like if it was like 10 more feet and then you didn't finish the finish line you had more gas in the tank when you crossed you're saying yeah you're finishing that actually made me nervous you reached out your leg and it looked like it got pretty straight as you landed yes i had my thing on my ankle i was trying to send it forward yeah no that's that was good to reach that across and but as it landed your knee was

very straight as it hit the turf and that just always makes me a little nervous. What was the fourth event? The fourth event was wall walks thrusters. Wall walks. Oh, you love wall walks. They're my favorite movement. Walks thrusters. You didn't see the picture Dave posted of me?

No, did he post a picture he posted a montage of several athletes just laying in the floor in misery but the first one you think he got curb stomped um and and by now you guys this in the third and fourth workout they'd put you guys in heats yeah right they didn't in the first two so 24th tell me about that about that workout the wall walk did you go into that with a good mindset since you took seventh in the um yeah so seventh i came in seventh at that point i was 12th in in the swim, 33 and then seventh. And so I was like 16th overall at that point, he releases the workout. He's like 10, nine, eight, seven, six, four, three, two, one, all the way down thrusters and wall walks 185 for thrusters.

And I'm like, giddy dude. I'm like 185 pounds thrusteruster i'm about to crush everybody in this and i just was like no no one like i'm a bigger guy so it's like finally i get some like this is my shot to make move like it's it's just a thruster workout with some interference of wall walks that was my mind literally first i was like there's the wall walks are just interference. And the workout is about the thrusters. And so we're out there warming up and I'm the second heat. So I watch everybody go. And there are people that are like dropping. I was like, I'm thinking about going on broken on the thrusters. And I see people like putting their arms out on the wall walk and like, like miserable. And I'm like, dude, Jason, if you just keep moving through these wall walks and you go unbroken on the

thrusters, like you're going to be top 10, like it's going to be fun. And like I said, I had no coach. So this is my own, this is the thoughts, the thoughts that I'm processing by myself. I'm not going to go up to justin madero's coach and say hey does this strategy sound good that would have been awesome if you did you should have so i'm like processing these by myself being an idiot and i'm thinking this whole thing is about thrusters and i'm convinced that i'm if i just keep moving through the wall walks,

that the little interference that they're going to be, and I go, I'm broken on the thrusters, I'm going to win this thing. And we go out there, and as soon as they 3-2-1 go, it took three wall walks into the workout instantly my mindset like instantly stopped and changed it and i was like oh my goodness this is a wall walk workout and this is not gonna be good and so the whole time i mean it was a miserable workout in my trial like i could first of all i went wrong when i took my shirt off because the first round. I disagree, but go on.

Let him explain why. There was a puddle of sweat, dude, right there every single rep. And I was slipping. My hands were slipping every single step. And I was like, I can't take big steps like brent was taking so i was like doing many steps because if i took a big one i was like i would i would probably slip was it your sweater competitors before you in that lane or both no it was mine 10 10 wall walks were like dry and i was like good we all got up like i was was behind the leader by like one wall walk, but like eight, seven, six,

it was like a puddle and they got harder and the sweat didn't help the cause. And so the whole workout was miserable. My, um, I could have split up the, at that point you knew if you thought, if you said you were going on broken or trying to go on broken on the thrusters, that wasn't going to change as soon as you pick up the barbell for the first time. So like I said, I was thinking it was a thruster workout. I get out there. I do three wall walks and instantly I'm like, oh, man, this is going to be miserable. going to be miserable. And then you pick up the barbell thinking you have to catch up to the people, make your move. And you get, I get through like seven thrusters and I'm thinking, oh my

goodness, this is getting worse and worse and worse. And I went unbroken for 10 and I get back to nine wall walks. And at that point it was like like you don't worry about anybody else right now you just go to that place don't worry about what place you finish in just move at your the pace that you can go give your best here see what happens and it was miserable and so as you finish that workout you finish it in 20 minutes and 31 seconds. What's your mindset at that point? Are you pissed? Yeah.

Do you know that you took 24th in it at that moment? Like right away, you're like, oh, this is bad. Yeah. I knew that. Yeah, I knew. At that moment, it was it was it was pretty frustrating

is that the one where Noah came over to cheer you on yeah so Noah comes over there to cheer you on and you did that to him you gave him the hand

like that just this I did but it wasn't if it would have been anybody they would have got the same thing. It wasn't because it was Noah. I like Noah.

Right. I like Noah too. There is just a, when I'm in like a deep workout like that and I'm like hurting and I'm in like the pain cave, like dealing with the things going on in my head um i think i just i want to be alone and i don't i don't want anybody helping me whether like if i if i like needed help and they were like trying to give me tips that were going to help me move faster at that point the damage was had already been done um and it was like dude i want to deal with this crap by myself like i'm in like mentally i'm like in it right now um and i don't

need any hand any like high fives i don't need no clapping i don't need no go jason you got this like it was let me deal with this crap on my own and like get away from me so so you finish workout for at any point are you like starting to like think about things outside of yourself like holy shit like i told the world that i was that i really wanted to win this that i thought i could win this and look at me i have a 12 33rd 7th and 24th like did any of that shit creep into your head where you started really beating on yourself yeah i mean that happened after event two um and i had a lot of a lot of people that were like in my close, in my circle that were, Hey, like it's a long weekend.

You can't win it on day one. You can't lose it on day one. So there was a lot of like encouragement from people that actually believed and trusted in. And so awesome. Didn't know the rest of the workouts. And so I was hoping that since day one was so like skilled that day, day two, three and four would be like some, I would get a lot more opportunities for like heavy stuff, like grunt work that I can make some moves on.

But as the weekend went on it was my hopes were slowly going away uh event five so you you you get a 24th you're pretty pissed at yourself you have to wave no off um you misstrategize that one also you you thought it was going to be a thruster workout and it was a wall walk workout and you go into event five. And what was event five? Brian's favorite workout to watch. Were you,

were you laughing at, were you laughing like that, Brian, when you were watching it? No, I was, you were in the lane closest to me and I was not laughing then I was feeling very bad for you.

What was the workout, Brian? It was the Husafell bag carry, but that wasn't the problem. It was the rope climb ski Husafell bag. And really, at the start of that workout, in the first round, I was like, what the F is he doing? He's winning the heat. I'm like, this is not the time domain workout that Jason wins the first round. When we watch him at semifinals in this kind of workout,

he would let anyone else do that in the first seat. And he would reel them in around two, three, and four. And I was like, he must know either. He knows something that I don't about his capacity in this workout, or this is not going to end well.

And then I waited to see what happened and everyone knows what happened watch this savannah i remember seeing this is this the final round when the bag didn't want to stick to you god you're lucky you didn't poop your pants oh yeah yeah i saw that and who who patted you on the back right there and did you tell him to get the fuck away no that was the event that i had to be helped off the field so you were just late how does that happen tell me about that so you're laying there and like all the other athletes leave and you're just still laying there no i was laying

there and i remember after like like 15 seconds someone came up to me it was like all right we gotta go and i'm like dude we i just finished this workout 15 seconds ago i can't i cannot get up right now um and they were like we gotta go we gotta. We got to go. I think the women were after us or before us. I don't know. But for some reason, they were like, we got to get off the field. And, dude, I was like, I can't move my legs. Can't move my body. It was really like that?

I can't move my body. It was really like that? Dude, I came out literally 100, like max effort. It would have looked like if you saw me come out and didn't know the workout, you would think, oh, this is a sprint. Why did you do that? Were those nerves? Maybe. There was a lot of it man there was dude i brought day one into my my strategy um there was a a level of one the reason i came out like that

is because that was my best workout out of the all of them to the like best workout for me, not best because of the result to since day one was so rough and I didn't get a workout that I necessarily liked out of the four, except the sprint, the sprint was one that I liked the three of the four were not good for me and so i had to go the entire day off thinking about event five and like what my strategy like how i was going to make a move like because dude i i was 16th but i had 33 and 24 lingering in the back of my head. I had to deal with that crap for a whole 24 hours. And I wanted so badly to have event five, like be here right now. So I can just make all that a wash and like balance this out. And so once it, once it got there, I'm thinking, dude, I'm going to win this thing.

I have to win this thing. I'm going to make sure I win this thing. I'm pumping myself up, all this stuff. Now that I'm looking back on it, a lot of it was I'm fearing the results of day one again. And I came out, man, can y'all hear that behind me? Yeah, it's not a big deal. Okay. Um, I, I wanted to win and I was, I, I was so scared of losing. I was so scared of like being, I didn't want that feeling of being like in the middle of

the pack because I had been in the middle of the pack because I had been in the middle of the pack during the wall walk. And I stayed in the middle of the pack and I ended up coming in 24th. I stayed in the middle of the pack on the ring muscle ups and I finished last. And so there was this fear of like, I wanted to get out in front and stay out in front. Um, and since it was my best workout that I had trained

for, like I'd done that twice and I'd done it, they really, that was one of the first ones they released. And so I had trained for it and I was ready for it. I was excited about it. Um, but dude, I just, the strategy I had in, in practice was a strategy that I felt like I could hold. And for some reason I said to myself, like, we're going to go harder than that. And I'm going to be able to hold that. Like, we're at the games. Like, the adrenaline would help me or something. And, yeah, man, it was a a disaster three people finished worse than you adrian

munn viler sean sweeney and georgius georgius georgius caravas caravas georgius caravas and sweeney withdrew after that event oh he did yeah that broke him something Something was broken at that point for him. Did you talk to any of those guys after that event? No. Dude, I got carried off the field. I went back into the athlete. Like on a stretcher or like dudes with their arms under your shoulders? Dudes with their arms. The medical, I don't know who carried off me on the field,

but I know when I got back to the athlete warm-up area, I had like five medical staff like putting ice on my body like having my feet propped up and like checking my heart heart rate and stuff i was like dude i think i'm okay i'm just like super dead um and they were like any part do you think that that was the end of your games when you're being carried off that you're like oh shit i might be done that was the when i got done with that event and i was in the athlete um part the north park right behind the field i had ice on my head all the athletes were walking by and there was like they were like coming to check up on me like are you good like good? Like Pat Vellner came up and was like, you good? Like had all these people like Katrin Davis daughter came up to me before and was like, you good?

And at that moment, it was like, okay, this is super embarrassing. The game's a different beast. At that moment, I knew that it was like, okay, like that was my best workout. That was my, almost like, cause that was my chance. That was my almost like because that was my chance that was my opportunity to like bounce things out for me that's what i wanted to do and since i bombed that that was like almost like all right like we're we're fighting for 10th place now did you ever drop below the did you ever fall below 30th place what was the lowest place you had in the games all week?

20. Okay. Event number six. You took 11th and you got capped. What was event number six? The cleans. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the light clean ladder. Yeah.

And almost everyone got capped on that event. And then they changed the time gap for the next event. Is that right? Yeah. What was the process like for you guys as athletes to find out that they were going to make that change? We get done with event seven. The ladies are going. Event six.

You finished event six. Yep. the ladies are going you finished event 6 Dave gets us all around and says hey we're going to give you two more minutes or one more minute whatever it was and we're going to shorten the run that's all they said didn't tell you the distance

they said what we were going to do they said we were going to instead of running around the green the little island out there we were going to do they said we were going to instead of running around the green where we're going to the little island out there we were going to run in front of it were you happy to hear those changes no i didn't really care irrelevant because you did you did end up doing better on the second clean workout than the first clean workout relative to the field yeah the so the first one was more about the run and i knew the second one was going to be more about who's going to be able to clean who feels comfortable running faster and cleaning and i did so i think that

i think i mean if you look at the first the six results, like almost, you know, I can't remember how many people got capped and all they had left to do was the last barbell. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14 of you guys all got capped. You were somewhere on that run or approaching that barbell. And it was like, obviously, it still wasn't that heavy, but it was the heaviest one. So it was like, if you were a guy like you who was going to capitalize on the weights more than the running, not being able to lift that last bar, maybe that was like a chance to pass one or two of those guys, you know? Yeah. The only reason I missed that last bar is because I intended on power cleaning it instead of squat cleaning it. And I powered it and missed the power clean and you weren't i mean you weren't the only one who missed that last bar really you know right up against a

time cap both uh brent and pat did the same thing they went for it missed it and then that was it time was up all right were you happy with that placement did you feel like there was some redemption there were you how did that go after event six with an 11th place 11th place finish um i don't think i was excited about any any of my placements i just felt there was like a there was just something holding me back after bombing events and there was like this like there was this fear to attack because Cause I just kept bringing baggage into like, it was like, dude, like you can't attack because dude, like this is your workout. You should be in top five in this one. Like this is a power clean,

clean ladder. Like you clean freaking three 90. Like you can win this event if you take it. Or like I knew I wasn't going to win because there were some dudes that like Jeff, I knew Jeff Jeffrey could freaking move and clean so i was like i knew i was i wanted to be jeffrey adler yeah okay um and i knew some guys are better runners than me so i knew that they would like doing power cleans out that way weren't that wasn't the workout it was going to be who can run the fastest and then walk up to the bar um so i there but there was just like this this this like fear to attack because i kept bringing workouts into like that mentality and there was there was no attack mode and so the whole time it was play it like safe but don't go too slow and it cost me and so i came in seventh that's why there was like never really any home run

hits on like any workouts that i felt like super confident in because there was like this fear of like blowing up after the rope climb so then you do the seventh event and you do pretty damn well in it yeah i needed the the clean it's coming in when i come in 10th on that one the second one the first one 11th on event six came in 11th yeah so i can the second one you came in eight yeah so that put in me some like some like attack mode because I came in 11th and I kind of like held some back. And I knew that the cleans were going to only that the heavier the when we put weight on the bar, I was only going to help me. Because I could still keep up that pace on the run and clean that much. Because I could still keep up that pace on the run and clean that much.

Where some other guys, I probably had to slow down. And so I was super confident about that. And you celebrated a little bit when you crossed the finish line on that one, right? Yeah. And eighth place, 5.59. And then how do you feel after that event how do you feel that's that's the sixth event now of sorry the seventh event now of the crossfit games how's your body feeling you recall my body is like shot at that point but the the best it feels throughout the entire weekend

is when i'm actually like doing the event because there's something about like being out there that kind of like you weren't thinking about the pain of your legs or you weren't thinking about how like tired you were but before like warming up you were you're thinking dude there's no way this is about to happen um and that's already set in by event eight. It's like that. Yeah. Dude, like the volume was a huge part of why I didn't do that well. Are you injured at all right now? No.

Like you woke up this morning all good? Like you weren't like, uh-oh, that's not right. Yeah, I feel great. Shoulders? Feel great. Knees? Shoulders, knees shoulders knees and toes lower back great did you are you hearing something no no just checking just kind of like scanning your body you know just want to talk about your body just doing a little a little cup check. Event number eight. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. This ain't good. What was event number eight? You took 30th and you got capped. God, I hate to see you get capped. What was event number eight? Handstand walk course. So do you practice handstand walks a lot?

And when the event was announced, did you know that you were going to get capped? Do I practice handstand walk or do I practice handstand walking on a course? Those are two separate things. Both. Do you practice adequately? Which one? The handstand walking or the handstand walking over a course? Well, if you didn't handstand walk over a course, then you didn't handstand walk over a course then you didn't then you didn't practice adequately of course i practice over a course and so and so when you heard the announcement were you excited were you like i got this shit

no i'm a thrusting machine my shoulders are strong i'm agile like a cat i could balance upside down on my feet on one leg no dude Dude, I just started practicing that crap right after the mat. Wow. So you're almost like a CrossFitter who made it to the Games who's not really a CrossFitter. Exactly. I'm exactly what you call a CrossFit Games athlete with a full-time job. So there were some things that you just prioritize in training and that was not one of them um one real quick how what year did

you find crossfit your two year how old are you again you're 23 yeah and um and and how old were you when you started crossfit i did it one year in 2017 so like 18 years old then i took a year i played i went playing football at clemson for a year and a half and then i picked it back up right after that like in 2019 yeah so it'd be fair to say you've been doing crossfit for two years yeah but you've been an athlete your whole life yeah gotcha okay makes sense so so you so do you know at the beginning of that you're like, oh, shit. Yeah. I, yeah.

I mean, that just must be horrible. It's like when I took the SATs in high school and I was hungover. It was like worst case scenario. I'm fucking, I want to vomit. My eyes are watering. I'm just like crazy ill prepared. Is it like that? it was yeah all of the above i had every every emotion you can think of when when it came to that event that's why when i got done with event seven it was like there was there was a moment where i was super fired up out there, but as soon as I got back, it was like, who cares?

That's going to be a wash in 20 minutes. So the head fuck is that bad finishes, the psychological implications are far worse than good finishes. Good finishes only last as long as the next event coming. Good finishes. But bad events can linger the whole week. Yeah, I suppose so. If you're expecting that to happen,

if you're expecting that event not to be bad, like if I came in 30 in the system, like I would have got done in like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I expected that. But if I want to win, broke my, I'm going to be top five and I came in 30 something, that is when it didn't work. Someone just said,

poor dude, you can tell he's upset. Don't give him a hard time, fam. He's obviously hurting bad. He ain't hurting shit. What are you talking about? He's at home in fucking Greenville. He's in Greenville. All things are good in Greenville. I appreciate your sensitivity, SwanFit.

Hey, Ryan, Swan Fit. Hey, Ryan, quick question. That was the first audio glitch I've heard in this show and how's Brian's audio been? Because I haven't heard any glitches in Brian's but Hopper just went all fucking Transformers on us. Okay, he sounded like

Soundwave. You guys know who Soundwave is You guys know who Soundwave is? You know who Soundwave is, Hopper? Probably not. I can't tell if he's there. I can't tell if he's there either. But you know what I love? As soon as I made a Transformer comment,

Steven Latch donated $20. He must be a huge Transformers fan. Thanks, Steven. That's really cool of you. Jason, can you hear us? Yeah, dude. me yeah yeah yeah hey and swanfit i want to tell you this if you want to feel sorry for anyone who's down on themselves you should feel sorry for fucking me like i was literally like fuck after like this thing was over i was like fuck crossfit i'm not doing any more interviews fuck this podcast i'm only going to interview people i want i'm not interviewing any more crossfitters

Fuck this podcast. I'm only going to interview people I want. I'm not interviewing any more CrossFitters. But I got over it. I got over it, I guess. Jason, on that handstand walking workout, how difficult? Obviously, you're not expecting to win that workout or anything like that. But how difficult is it to wait and make sure that you're going to succeed the next implement when you see other people going?

And you're like, man, I'm not sure if I'm ready or not, but I just don't't want to stand here anymore and i have to kick up just because i don't want to stand here anymore how hard was it to do that yeah because i think that i don't think you were the only one there were a lot of guys that would you know kick up and fail and implement and then they kick up again and fail it again and i'm like thinking to myself man just give yourself 10 more seconds yeah i think i was just i wanted to get over it faster so i didn't have to feel that freaking guilt of not being able to but it's and it's tough because it's not like you're like you're not tired you know you're not like out of breath and you're resting because you're out of breath and that's a difficult thing to know in that like it's a very specific workout and a very specific skill to understand when you can kick up again and give yourself the

best chance to succeed i think i was so upset about that one because the so i this whole like last month i've been training for i've been doing um, the stairs and ramp and I like mastered it, dude. Like I figured it out on like two, like two weeks before the games. I don't believe them. I swear. I swear. I figured it out. And like, I was doing like, um, I was implementing, like I was getting my heart, my, my heart rate up doing them where I was like able to do them under fatigue. And it was like flawless. Like I would get over, be able to turn around, go back the other way. And I was like crushing them. And then I was, as soon as they were released to workout and they were like, there was going to be parallette things in them.

And I'm like, oh man, like another, something else I have to get really good at. And so we had like two weeks to get good at these. No, I had four days before we left. They released that workout like a couple, like a week before. And I was leaving that Friday. So I had like three or four days, like figure this out. And I said, sure, I'll just, or four days, like figure this out. And I said, sure, I'll just, I'll do it and figure it out. And so I spent like the last three days, like 30 minutes a

day, like getting, trying to do over parallettes. And I just could not, man, I could not do it. And I was freaking pissed. And I was like, well, if they took the parallettes out, I would, I would at least give myself a chance to do well. And since the parallettes are in it, like out of 30 tries in the last three days, like maybe got it like five. And so we get out there and I'm like. What is that, like 20% of the time you did it? Yeah. I'm like, dude.

One in five? That's not good. It was like hit or miss like if i if i can get over this parallette if i can get over this parallette like i'm gucci like we can we can get we can get through this whole thing and so they were they tell us to work out and we had to come we had to go down and then back and i'm like oh man i have to do it twice now instead of once um and at the end of the crowd did you hear anyone yell from the crowd your name like you got this hopper or jesus christ hopper you didn't practice this shit or anything like that like did you get any do you hear any of that from the crowd

no so i got that's what sucks about the community that we just need one heckler just one one would make it like so fun so they said they say go and i missed my first parallette figures like i didn't expect to do it in one try and i actually expected to be out there for like a good like five or six trying to get over these parallettes and i got it on my second time second time and i'm like freaking out i'm like oh my goodness i can actually do well in and then the freaking part where i had freaking done so well at for the last three months i couldn't get over the ramp dude and it was pissing me off man it was pissing me off and i was like i had practiced these over and over and i'd figured these these stairs out like i'd figured them out like it was muscle memory and for some reason i couldn't get over it and at that point it was

luckily i finally got over it when i got back to the parallettes with like 30 seconds left and at that point my shoulders were shot and i knew there was really no way for me to get over the parallettes at this point seven did you did you get a chance to see him do any of the handstand walking yeah i did this is all i think this is all i think about at least with the wall walks like he's got shit to do right and so he can't get caught up in the crowd or he can't start thinking because he has shit to do you know what i mean it's like a hundred burpees like you just can't feel sorry for yourself you got shit to do but this thing you're in there and your brain can fucking start up like you were saying brian he's not tired and so he's like he can be like man this

is fucking hard oh shit there's 10 000 people here and 100 000 people at home watching me and the worst thing is if you're the last dude on the floor the cameras have nothing else to point at oh yeah so as fucking retarded as some of the broadcast was just like just missing so much good shit and not telling the story i guarantee you they told your story oh look there's hopper out there he's the new guy and you know chase is going to bring it real he's going to be like jesus he didn't because they they love this this is this is the pundits favorite thing to say well what's he doing at the crossfit games if he didn't know how to do 6 000 muscle

ups in a row while smoking a cigarette how does he not know how to be inverted they should live inverted 18 of the time they should sleep upside down and everyone's thrown in their two cents and you're just getting destroyed and it's getting in your head and you're just like fuck i was supposed to be the rookie phenom go ahead but it doesn't get in my head that's the that's the thing like you mean it doesn't get out of your head no i get in my own head right but they don't get in my head explain so i can get in my own head of like i can bring events into how i how i like do the event at hand that we're doing like i can get my own head of thinking that i'm scared to attack and the whole nine yards but i'm not once was i out there like thinking oh man like what

do these dudes think like what are these people around me thinking what are the 10 000 people in this fans like what are people at home thinking well then you just ruined my story i know but people had to know that i at least i at least grew up i grew up playing football so like i the fans aren't an issue it was i came in 19th because i just wasn't fit enough and there was some holes in in my game so those of you that know if you haven't figured out how the show works um i'm an asshole and then the the guests have a chance to show what good character they have by like not being phased by it that's like the premise of the show the show is is that i i i'm rude to people and inappropriate and then they show how cool they are because they're not phased by it that's like the premise of the show the show is is that i i'm rude to people and inappropriate and then they show how cool they are because they're not phased by me and if they do get

phased by me then they shit the bed it's like good cop bad cop shit so now you guys know our whole our whole shtick and hopper's doing great um unless you just i mean unless you live next door and you just want him to come into my office and punch me in the face. That would be pretty good for viewership, too. But he doesn't. He lives 3,000 miles away. So you finished the handstand walk. The good news is that you didn't expect to necessarily do well. You finished 30th, and then you have to go into event number nine. What was event number nine?

You did good at it. You took eighth. Pain. Pain is what it was. I don't know what it was. What was it? Echo Bike Cows, Power Snatch 115. Okay. nine you did good at it you took eight pain pain is what it was i don't know what it was what was it echo bike cows power snatch 115 okay so you'd expect yourself you'd expect hopper to destroy the echo bike and do in in he does power snatches in his sleep at 115 i would say for me at this point in the competition i was expecting i was expecting him to finish in the top 10, but maybe not the top three.

What did you think about that workout, Hopper? Walk us through it. Make us some money, buddy. I loved it, man. But at that point in the weekend, the volume had set in. And, like, dude, when I went to nat when i went to nashville to train with tia we did a comp simulation when was that how soon how soon three weeks ago okay so just before the games yeah and we did like a number of events a day like crazy amount and i had never been through a game simulation so there's they were like this is going to be harder than the games so we're like doing events like back to back to back

and when we get to saturday saturday and sunday i'm like i'm like sitting out like i'm working out with tia and we get done with like a, a 40 minute workout with like a vest. And it was a good 15 minutes. And she was like, are you ready to do this next workout? And it was like a EMOM with like barbell cycling. It was like three minute workout. It was like high intensity. And there was, I had to sit out and it was like, I can't move right now. This was like Sunday. And I was like the volume here we had, like, I had to sit out, and it was like, I can't move right now, this was like Sunday, and I was like, the volume here, we had, like, I had to reach that, that peak, and they were, at that point, I knew the games, I was going to hit a peak at the games, because there was, like,

so much volume, and these people have been doing this full-time, and so they were able to build that endurance over the last years, however long they've been doing CrossFit. Whereas for me, it was like, I've been doing two, two hour sessions a day with a nine to five job. So I couldn't, I couldn't, I can't do that many events. I can't do that much work and put it on my body and expect just to go out there on Sunday and be, or go out there and snatch and expect to hit 300. Like my body right now is feeling way more fatigue because you, you're able to, you had

so much more endurance over the year than I did. Uh, and I'm just, I'm not saying that was, I'm not saying if that changed, like I would have won. I'm just saying that's the reality of my situation. And so you didn't train appropriately and long enough exactly you put it that way um and so when i went into the bike workout i could only give so much like you know if i was fresh i would have freaking pumped out 95 rpm out the gate and been okay and held on to that for the three-minute workout that it was um but when i was biking like i was giving my best and i was at like 87 rpm 85 rpm and there was like dude like i cannot push this bike harder um it would be cool to see you do that workout fresh and post it i'll send it to you.

Okay. I'll post it. I make money on my IGTV now. If it's longer than a minute, I'll make money. Please do send it to me. You did beat Madaris on that one. It was one of two workouts you beat him on on the week. That's nice. Because Madaris only weighs 112 pounds soaking wet.

No. He was only a second ahead of him. Madaris did well on that workout. It was tight. That workout actually is better for the bigger guys. Yeah, the only guy that really surprised me on that one was Yonikoski. He was one place ahead of you, but everyone else who was ahead of you was people that I expected to be up there.

Yeah. So I want to go back to the Tia thing. She said that to you, are you ready? Or um she said that to you are you ready or did shane say that to you am i ready you said that um you finished a workout and then she and then tia said to you um are you ready to do this next one i'm just wondering if it's her calling the shots or shane no tia came up to me and said are you ready for this next one and i said no i'm not ready for that and what did she say then she said okay and we're doing it we're doing without you then oh did she waited for you it was just me and her um we yeah and then i said whatever i'll do it and we of course

you did or she'd have fucked you up she'd have whooped your ass and that should have gone viral we end up doing it and before this workout i'm thinking there's no way i can make it through this workout it was so high intensity that my brain was like fried i couldn't do any more high intensity stuff and how how big of an honor is it to train with tia it was fun but i quit in the middle of this workout is it more than fun are you just like holy shit this is so fucking awesome are you just stoked it was i mean i thought it was cool have you ever quit in the middle of a workout before good question I wish I would ask that. Uh, yeah. Not how often, like once, twice. I had to think about it. It can't be, it can't be very many times. So a few times that you can

remember what it was. There's a difference between I've never quit a workout because it was so hard, except for the time with Tia was like i'm i'm quitting this workout i've never quit a workout because it was like i can't like i can't go anymore um i the reason i had quit and passed is because i was doing something without purpose and just going through emotions and i knew that it wasn't going to help me long-term. And so doing this workout with Tia, like she drug me into this workout and I was not ready. And I did it because I feared saying no to Tia. And so we're in the middle of this workout and I'm not fully recovered or

recovered at all from the last workout. I'm, my brain is fried. I wanted like at least 15 more minutes. I didn't even get to eat. And I were in the middle of this workout and I'm came and least 15 more minutes. I didn't even get to eat. And I were in the middle of this workout and I came and moved this barbell and it's at like 115. And I'm like so pissed that I actually like said yes to this. And I stopped.

I stopped right there. Did she talk shit to you? No, she understood. I wonder what, it would be great to hear what she thought when she saw you stop. Like, Brian, if someone – if you're training – what affiliate do you coach at, Brian? Performance Factory Training CrossFit. Do you just – if you see an affiliate member just stop in the middle of a workout, do you just walk over to them with their bag and be like, get the fuck out of here?

That's our model, yeah. One time I went to my i went to i love watching my wife work out and i went to go watch her work out at uh crossfit aptos and uh her training partner the coach said okay count your reps it was i forget what it was it was like you're supposed to count the burpees while the other person's on the rower and whoever gets the most burpees or whatever wins or whatever and um i heard her training partner goes let's not keep count and i wanted to fucking go over and just fucking grab her training partner and just drag him out get the fuck out of here because like as the training partner you're supposed to push hard hopper actually now that i re-evaluated this hopper actually hurt tia she probably would have won all events if she had fucking training partners that weren't fucking quitting in the middle fucking uh dustin anderson says

something that's really really important none of us can even imagine how hard the crossfit games are i don't i i can't even imagine how true that statement is, first of all. And if you qualify and compete, you are a savage. Nothing but respect for all games athletes. That is the truth. I think that there's an, it's such a savage beatdown that there's an emotional component. And Jason's touching on it now. Like, what do you do when your body's telling you no and you have to go? And that's every workout after day one

i mean it's like yeah can you mentally prepare for that jason will be better at that next year you think yeah for sure you just start believing in yourself more and more and more well after a year of the year of training i'm about to have, I guarantee you that I'm going to go into the games with a different mindset. Abraham Gibson, Sevan, do you even wad? Yeah, I wad your mom. Do I even wad? I don't ever fucking miss a workout. When I was a fucking alcoholic for the first two months of fucking the COVID response, I fucking worked out every fucking night, whether I was drunk or sober.

Yesterday, I worked out twice. I was so disappointed in my first workout i went in there again at 11 o'clock at night how dare you fucking ask me you want to see these fucking things even wad you owe me you owe me 20 burpees for that abraham uh workout number 10 you owe me, you owe me 20 burpees for that, Abraham. Uh, workout number 10. We're on with the great Jason Hopper, who took 19th at the CrossFit Games this year, his rookie year,

been CrossFitting for two, two and a half years. And, uh, we're trying to figure out whether he's going to be better next year, whether he's making excuses. I still haven't decided. Um,

I'm not, I'm not making an excuse, dude i still haven't decided um i'm not i'm not making an excuse dude i've heard any yet but it's like i'm not trying to we're that's what everyone's waiting for is he going to be like matt fraser and say fuck this little fire under my ass or is he going to complain about dave he's going to hate on our mexican boy dave we're there's time i'm not the fittest in the world so um 10th the 10th workout we have a podcast right after this too so can't be fucking around anymore with people telling me I don't want uh Jason Hopper uh in the workout right after the um snatch echo bike once you took eighth um you took seventh place so now you got some momentum what was that workout this is a running toes to bar workout oh dope saturday morning i thought

you would do well on this one and you didn't do really well on it so tell us about that one where are you in your mindset in terms of pacing what you think you can do and whether you want you were looking forward to it yeah i i would that was the one i was probably most looking forward to besides the rope climb one i knew i was a good runner and i was really good at toes the bar so i was going to go unbroken as everybody else should go unbroken because you had a mile of running in between and i knew that was going to be about who one who wants to hurt more and who who has the most capacity to to run and yeah so i also knew how the pacing is would be very like i need to make sure that it was on it was on point i was sitting on point. I was sitting in 20th or 17th.

I was in 17th place going into that event. And they were making cuts after to 20. And so if I bomb this event, then I'm going home. And so I made sure that I buckled up, made sure that everything was dialed in. So we did third toes, the bar. I knew that the workout was not about the first mile, mile and a half. So I wanted to make sure that I was closing the gap with the people that were ahead, but also making sure that the whole question for me was,

could I hold this pace for mile number two like is this pace sustainable and if it wasn't then i would have dialed it back a little bit if it was then i would have either stayed the same or sped it up a little bit so are you gonna say something that last mile and a half did you push really really hard or do you save a little bit for those 30 toes to bar and then i have a question for brian also no i gave it everything i got so you come in just fucking hot when you come in you the last thing you want to do is grab that bar but you grab it anyway no i knew the bar was gonna be rest oh shit maybe i don't cross that doesn't make any sense to me i slow my heart rate down because a run running is more um like you're using it's going to get your heart rate higher

than doing toes the bar um so like actually like getting on a toes the bar and like swinging actually slowed down my heart rate instead of running and which sped it up um so i knew if i just get to the toes of the bar i can knock out 30 and that could um it would be it would lower my heart rate which would actually feel better brian we look at an athlete like cody anderson or chris spieler and we're like yeah they're going to be good at muscle ups like we know that they're good at muscle ups we know who's good at muscle ups you can see body types obviously there's um you know past past experiences with them watching them as a fan how do we know that they're good at muscle ups. We know who's good at muscle ups. You can see body types. Obviously there's, um, you know,

past, past experiences with them watching them as a fan. How do we know if someone's good at toes to bar? Like how do I, I don't look at Jason Hopper's body and know that he's good at toes to bar. Or is that a pretty, I just, am I thinking about it wrong?

Am I seeing a tall guy and being like, Oh, he's fucked and it's heavy too. It's not like he's light. He's got to hold on with that grip and he's got to bring those legs up quite a bit this well i i actually miss um i really misunderstood this workout when it was announced because i was assuming that that in the in the programming and the testing of it that he would want the the toes to bar numbers to be challenging for the athletes and that he had found the perfect number that it would still be a challenge for him but it turned out that for

almost every single one of them it was an afterthought it was all about the running and and so what you see when you look at the board is that uh the leaderboard for this particular event is that the best runners are at the top and that's it and there were a couple situations where like in the men's it was baden brown-Brown and Lazar Jukic, and Baden-Brown just hit the toes of the bar, got to him with the last couple reps, so Lazar passed him. But he still took second place, and those are the two best runners, and they finished one and two.

And I was surprised by that. Jason called that, by the way. Sorry to interrupt, Brian. Don't lose your thought. I spoke to Jason the night before that event, and he goes, you better watch Baden-Brown. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me that fucking buffalo but jason nailed it that fucking guy is a fucking gazelle well and and it was it's the same thing with the you know we were all

speculating if the pig flip or the sled pull or the muscle ups was going to be the critical factor of that workout prior to the workout we didn't know the distance or weight of the sled and we didn't know the number of flips or the distance of the flips. And so we were like, Oh, it all depends on that. Then we see what the actual workout is. And as Jason talked about, it was just a muscle up workout. There were maybe, yeah, maybe there were a couple of guys who couldn't move the pig, but the guy, if you, if you can't move the pig at all for five flips, then you're not going to do very well over the whole weekend anyway. But if you can't do 48 muscle-ups, that's a pretty specific thing. Jason practices 80, 90 muscle-ups sometimes, but never in one set.

And so, again, here I was like, this just might as well have been a three-mile run. Yeah, pretty much. Andrew Clark, 49 of those pounds, that English money, the good money. Firstly, Sevan and brian a massive thank you for you guys for creating amazing behind the scenes content throughout the game secondly huge congrats to jason hopper games debut and smashed it you should be out amongst the fit you stood out amongst the fittest on the planet i second that um someone else says i'd pay money

to see savon and castro in the undercard boxing Uh, I don't know if you guys have ever seen the game of Thrones, but when there's a, there's an episode where that little dude, the guy who is the star of the show, the midget dude, he, um, he's supposed to, he's being like, he's in court and they, they find to fight for him. So if I did have to fight Dave, I'd probably choose my son Avi to fight him, and he would probably fuck Dave up. I'm not joking. He would fuck Dave up. He's six, and he'll fuck Dave up. Magic jiu-jitsu and striking skills. Scott Crowden, more of that good English money. Man, the English people are flowing today.

It's evening there. Oh, wow. This guy, did you buy someone a beer, Jason? No. This guy says, oh, oh, oh. This guy. Did you buy someone a beer, Jason? No. This guy says, oh, I thought he said thanks for the beer. He said he said 10 pounds. That's for a beer, Jason. Jason's not getting that money.

You want your money back? A beer or a beard? You can't grow a beard. These fucking guys. All the best guys haven't even gone through puberty yet. That's for a beer, Jason. Quality. Jason, quality effort. grow a beer. These fucking guys. All the best guys haven't even gone through puberty yet. That's for a beer, Jason. Quality effort. Enjoy the beer.

Then crack on tomorrow with your head held high. And I look forward to opening a beer with a smile when I see you on the podium. Bam. Scott Crowden. Thanks, Scott. Appreciate you, Scott. At this point in the competition, is your coach around, Jason? A little bit. point in the competition is your coach around jason uh a little seeing vendor village fucking getting his favorite pair of fucking floral nobles he only had certain he only had access to like

some certain parts which i was never at so i rarely i saw him in the morning and then other than that it was nothing was seen is that a mistake certainly yeah you needed a coach there yeah okay probably in a whole nother episode too many questions popping in my head so so so you get seventh on the toes to bar and you're feeling you're stoked now you've had an eighth and a seventh, and you're like, okay, shit. I'm in the mix. I made the cut. Yeah. I was hoping to – the goal at that point was to get top ten.

Like I can get in top ten. Okay. So not only did you make the cut, but you started having unrealistic expectations of yourself again. I don't think that he did because the things that were remaining, he knew the snatch was coming and he would expect to do pretty well in the snatch. And if you just look at the stuff that was missing from the weekend, they didn't know really any of the workouts left,

but there'd been no deadlifts. There'd been no lunging. There'd been really no squatting. Like, so he would assume that there's going to be some stuff coming his way. That's going to be pretty good. Yeah. So I,

we get done with the run snatches coming no rowing the the workout or at that point i made the cut and all i'm thinking of is okay we've done everything that i suck at in this sport like we are about to do some bangers and i'm about to freaking climb this leaderboard and i knew i was like like a handful of points out from 10th place. It was like the top 10 separated themselves, and then I was like – To put it in perspective, Jason, Cole Sager qualified 20th, and after one event, he was in 10th. Yeah.

So I saw that as well, and I knew that it was possible. that as well and i i knew um that it was possible um the thing is i see what you're saying brian he was doing well he had momentum but they cut out the 10 at they cut out the 10 shittiest dudes and so as well as he's doing he's then stuck with these savages and i don't know if you remember let me read some of these names to you guys justin madeiros, Pat Vellner, Brent Fikowski, BKG, Saxon Panchik, Janikowski, Guillermo something, Malheros, Alex Vigneault, Lazard, Jukic, Noah Olsen, Scott Panchik, Jeffrey Adler, Cole Sager. I mean, on one hand, he has momentum and it's like. Did you skip number 12 on purpose? number 12 on purpose no no who's number 12 oh shit sorry travis mayor oh my god that's the only name i should have said he's stuck in there with travis mayor and like come on man like no no that's that's true like the competition got harder yes yes but we'd already seen him we'd already seen him earlier in the year beat justin medeiros a six-event competition, beat Scott Panchik, beat Travis Mayer.

And so if he's thinking to himself, I know I can beat these guys on certain workouts. We haven't rowed. We haven't had deadlifts. We have no squatting, no lunging. All these things I'm good at still remain. I've got a chance to make some big moves depending on what these workouts are. The problem is, and he'll talk about this this is as each of those good movements come out they weren't the critical factor in the workout well that's a fucking great point i think you

win that argument and that's why during the week you should only talk to brian and not me next year at the games that's why i was pissed at dave oh oh um event number 11. You took 15th and got 207 reps. What was that workout? Pegboard, single arm dumbbell, overhead squat, heavy double under. Oh, when you say heavy double under, it was a heavy rope? Yeah. Not a drag rope.

It was just a heavy rope. Is that rope nasty, Hopper? It's not bad. Do you know Justin Hopper, a guy named Justin Hopper? That's my brother. Oh, man. He's loving on you in the comments. Look at him.

Look at him. What's he saying? He just says the best is yet to come. Watch out. I believe it too, actually. So you took the rope, oh, the rope. How was that rope in event number 11? Because, because when you're at home, you can't even tell it looks different than a regular rope.

It's, there's a lot of things, unfortunately, in the CrossFit games. This isn't a dig that, that us fans at home cannot tell the difficulty of. Is that rope hard? No. Okay. Well then, then they showed it perfectly because it didn't look hard um but it was only 15 reps per round so if it had been 50 or 100 reps per round it then it's a little bit more difficult but usually when they put the heavy rope it's not massive sets like that yeah so what was your strategy going into that you took 15th were you trying to keep up with someone

in your heat no i knew the workout was gonna be about transitions and pegboards not necessarily about i mean there's only seven reps with the dumbbell overhead squats you're gonna go unbroken only 15 reps with the jump rope no one's gonna miss like that's not gonna work out the it's gonna be who get up that pegboard and back down the fastest and who's going to either slight jog to each movement and walk fast like that's gonna be the difference and i knew that i wasn't the best at pegboards because it's a pool for me like i knew that legless rope climbs and pegboards were going to be harder um but i was super surprised with how the pegboards felt. That was probably the most proud that I felt all week. Because they felt easy?

No, I crushed that workout for me. The standard that I had set for myself in that workout, I exceeded it. And I thought, I remember watching this one having the opposite feeling of the rope climb workout was he started out in last place in his heat. Like after the first round, he was either ninth or tenth. And then after three rounds, he was in eighth. And after five rounds, he was in seventh. He was just like chipping away at guys and closing in guys. So I thought that overall his execution and plan for that one was better also.

Yeah. And I knew I was a bigger guy. So the overhead squats, they were going to move faster than me. And the pegboards aren't my strength. So I wasn't expecting to win. But it was cool to look to my left and see it. Noah Olsen was only a few reps ahead. We were seven minutes into this workout.

And I'm on his tail. But you took 15th out of 20, and you're saying you were proud? Yeah. ahead like we were seven minutes into this workout and i'm on his tail so that was but you took but you took 15th out of 20 and you're saying you were proud yeah for some reason i got done with that workout i got done with that workout well no let me tell you this the reason i felt so proud was because I was sixth in that moment after the workout. And then the heat two went and they all beat me. And then that's when I was like, oh, well, oh, well. Event number 12.

Is there any relief at this point that you that you made the top 20 yeah okay so there is some you're you're not there's some relief um what so that one was i'll tell you that one was the hardest one for me to watch because you were you just kept missing your first snatch yeah and what was going on you weren't you weren't you were just in a hurry you were in a rush you were nervous no it was just the volume at that point like we're deep in this workout it was i'm going like i'm going back to what i was telling you like the volume like i wasn't i knew i wasn't going to snap 300 going to that going to that event like i knew how my body felt and i wanted to be realistic um and i wanted to i wanted to go to sleep at that moment like i didn't want to be

trying to snatch 300 pounds this guy i can't believe you're from greenville you sound like a spaniard like you needed a siesta siesta um it dude, the biggest takeaways of this weekend, man, were the one, the volume and two, I need a lot of practice with skills. Um, and if you gave me a lot of volume and I was able to endure like that much over the weekend and I had done a whole year of training doing that, then I think how I, I wouldn't say the results would be different i'm saying that how i would feel would be different um but going into day three like i knew that other people in the field were feeling relatively good still and i was like at my

tipping point because the volume that they they had been doing it this full full full time like they were doing three sessions a day and i was getting one and i knew that was going to be a huge difference when it's on sunday or saturday night and we're snatching and that's not an excuse that's just the reality of the situation right um so when i snap when i'm snatching, dude, 260 felt like 300 pounds. Wow. Pavan Deep Virdi. Good Irish name. 15th out of how many thousands started the Open?

In that context, it's mind-blowing what Jason has done. Very good point. Very good, good point point so you did 270 so uh was there any party that was happy with that you're like okay shit at least i made it to the second lift no okay and and and who did you have your tiebreaker with i'm not i have no idea how did you do in the tiebreaker i can't't remember. He did the tiebreaker against... One of the twins? Against Lazar Djokic.

One of the twins. Well, that's funny. Oh, and you got 15 points for that or something, right? It was like... No, you just got a better placement. It was worth five extra points at that time. Okay. Event number 13th.

That was the one I mean mugged, Dave. The snatch. Yeah. Am I in the right place on here? Is that event number 13? You left the competition floor after that? You went in the tunnel?

Yeah, I walked off. Not all the guys did. Noah went no about on the next bar did his tiebreaker and then he stayed out on the competition floor and a lot of the guys started doing that did you ever come back out on the floor no i asked and they wouldn't let me wait you guys are getting ahead of me you're getting ahead of me i got lost hold on we're at uh so we're at event number 13 is that right 12 to 12 we were talking about what happened after 12 he said he mean mung dave he leaves the competition floor i thought well i was also one of the first people to get knocked out and so i thought that once you lose or once you get knocked out, you just leave the floor. That was what it was meant to be, I think.

I think that's how it was for the women. Yeah. But then Noah ended up staying out there. I don't know. I thought at first he stayed out there because he was too slow to get off, and so he didn't want to leave and walk in front of the people who were about to lift. But then he just never left. And then everyone else that kept getting knocked off after him just kept piling up in that spot they were watching the athletes that were still snatching yeah

so i was but i couldn't see everything down there so i was wondering if those of you who had finished had come back out or had just stayed in the tunnel or gone home or i don't know what i saw the the ladies if you got when they when they got knocked out they left and so i was like the moment i got knocked out i didn't see noah and so i put my head down mean mug dave went to the tunnel then i realized that the people you mean mugged him or he mean mugged you and you gave it back to him he he mean mugged me and i get back to him and then what like consciously you're like what's this dude looking at fuck you it was like a in the moment thing like i peeked up and he was looking at me and then he kept looking at me and yeah yeah like that inappropriate time that two men look

at each other did you see it did you see a picture of it no is there there should be a meme i suspect jason will have rod m i suspect jason will have an obsessive approach on the off season and work on his engine handstand walks and running well we'll find out oh yeah wow someone got it yeah he was so intimidated dude his face looked like man it was dave was intimidated. He might have just been confused. He's like, what the hell?

No one's ever looked at me like that before. SWAT 486. I think rookies aren't prepared or can't train for the volume that happens at the games. Look at, there's people making excuses. Careful, careful. There's people making excuses for you, James. There's a wide range of experience that rookies have at the CrossFit Games. And look at this. There's people making excuses. Careful, careful. There's people making excuses for you, Jason. There's a wide range of experience that rookies have at the CrossFit Games. And look at this.

This guy's baiting you with this question. Ask Jason. Careful how you answer this one, dude. This one can make you or break you. CrossFit fan. Ask Jason if he thinks that CrossFit Games are too skewed to upper body skills and endurance. I think it was skewed this year towards skills. Okay, I'll leave that alone.

That's why we did deadlifts and handstand push-ups without a wall but it was wasn't about deadlift i didn't jim len you should see about becoming a mayhem athlete they do a lot of volume and do a lot of skill work i wonder if you went in there as a nike athlete and they're all reebok athletes like if the place would explode like if like one of you would like about me i came in 18th they probably don't want to associate with me oh no rich is such a good dude and i shouldn't say this because he's but i think anyone could hearing samuel corn why i talk about it it's basically just reach out and and you in like flynn but but if you can't hang you end up dying there and they'll bury you out there as fucking buffalo food.

Event number 13. You took 10th place. Now you're kind of on a roll. You took 10th place, 751. What was that workout, event 13? The yoke. Oh, man. How heavy is 605 pounds?

Did you finish it in two rounds? Did you finish it with just one minute rest? Or did you have to go for a third? I think I had to go for a third, but didn't have very much. I had like 10 feet left. Yeah. Was that fucking depressing as shit when you didn't make it the second round? For people who don't know how the workout happened,

you basically had to do a bunch of GHDs, then you had to do a bunch of burpees while you threw a 100-poundbag over a hay bale and then you had to carry a yoke and if you carried the yoke far enough you got the workout was done if you didn't carry the yoke far enough they gave you a one minute break and you had to start again is that correct so tell me tell me about your mindset and that are you you actually thinking, fuck it, I'm going to do it the first round? No. Oh. No one did it the first round. Tia came within a few feet, and none of the men were that close. Yeah.

I didn't really care that I had to do it a third time because I knew my yoke was further than a lot of people on the second one. further than a lot of people on the second one. And so I knew that I can go slower on these burpees and still have time to finish this thing. Well, that's what you say, but you actually beat Fikowski by one second Royce done by two seconds. Like you guys are finishing pretty close right there. Did anyone finish in two rounds in the matter?

Yes. Yes. BKG, Velner, Medeiros, Jeff Adler, Noah Olsen, Henry Kapolainen, Cole Sager, and Travis Mayer. I guess that's the reason why I'm not a CrossFit Games champion because if I saw other people finish and I had to go back, I would start throwing a massive pity party.

I would start crazy feeling sorry for myself. Like, fuck that. I lose and I have to work harder? Go ahead, Jason, talk. myself like fuck that i lose and i have to work harder go ahead jason talk be like no or yes i was feeling sorry for myself no i wasn't oh i like jumping over those hey hey blocks whatever they're called that's what your walls are built out of in your house in greenville um how heavy is that yoke? How heavy is 605 pounds? Very heavy. Had you ever done a 605-pound yoke before that? A lot of firsts.

Have you ever done? Did you ever train with the yoke? It's super heavy, but I have to think that Dave thought it was going to be harder for the athletes. If you're programming a workout that's two, two, two, three intervals, and no one's getting to the last interval, I feel like what's the point of having it? Something felt off to me when I was thinking about what that workout should be the experience for the athletes compared to how much they were just demolishing it. I wasn't able to follow you. What do you mean two, two, two, three intervals? There's four working intervals, and the last one has an extra minute of work available for it.

And no one needed the fourth interval? I don't think so. Or at least, I mean, of the 20 guys remaining, only Will Morad got capped. Okay, so someone did need it. And four guys, I guess, were in the last interval. So someone did need it. Yeah, but the discrepancy between the first place guys and the last place guys was massive

and was different than it was the last time he had that style of workout. I thought it was awesome to watch. I was hoping Tia cleared it in the first interval. I'm not saying it wasn't awesome to watch. I thought it was, I was hoping Tia cleared it in the first interval. I'm not saying it wasn't awesome to watch. I'm just wondering if in testing, he knew that people could come that close to finishing a one round or not. Invite Hopper's brother on to tell us embarrassing stories. That's a great idea.

I'm gonna write that down. Wenzel, how often do you train with a yoke? We're losing Hopperper we got to get through these last workouts he's about to fucking just just turn off because that's what they did he needs a siesta he's like oh he's like i got two hours for you guys today he can't even make it an hour and a half and he's turning off with volume is an issue with you you can't even you can't even talk about all 15 workouts what What time are we done here? We're done in five minutes.

We're done in five minutes. Give us five more minutes. Answer this question and we'll move on. Do you ever train with a yoke at all? I hit it a couple times. Okay. And is it hard to balance? So it doesn't dig into the ground?

Not really. No? Okay. event number 14 who we're almost done with the crossfit games go back to greenville and party event number 14 uh you got capped and you took 17th what was that workout handstand push-up oh yes so did you guys understand the, what's the word I'm looking for? The standard. The standard, yeah, thank you. Did you guys understand the standard before you went into it? How hard was it to understand that standard? Is it easy?

Not hard. Yeah, they explained it pretty well. Okay. And you hadn't ever done free handstanding pushups before? Mm-mm. So you're just practicingstanding pushups before? Mm-mm. So you're just practicing them in the back? Mm-hmm. And what was the other movement?

It was free handstanding pushups, and you had to go back and do it. Oh, deadlifts. How were the deadlifts? Were they heavy? Yeah, I didn't warm up the deadlifts. So deadlifts is a good movement for you, but you didn't do all the sets unbroken with 425? It was 405.

405. No, I didn't warm up. I didn't touch our barbell. And was that common? Did a lot of guys not warm up? No, everybody warmed up. I was too busy practicing my handstand pushups. Gotcha. no everybody warmed up i was too busy practicing my handstand push-ups uh gotcha and i was gonna go out there and do singles on the deads for the first round and get warmed up as i went and as soon as i picked up the bar it felt like 600 pounds and everybody else was going touch and

go so i was like well i guess if i break my back this is gonna work this is gonna be where it is so i did five i think the first set was six so we all did six unbroken and then we did handstand push-ups wow and um did you when you were done with that was your back completely lit up? Yeah. Fuck, that is not a good place to be. It got better, though. The set of 10 was pretty good. Is that comment correct?

Are you going to become obsessive about handstand push-ups? No, but I'll make sure that I can do them. So how often will you practice them? Will you practice them once a week? Will you practice them every day? How often will you practice them now before the CrossFit Games? Yeah, probably. I have no idea.

When you say probably, there's a difference between once a day and once a week. Yeah. I know Dave is the person that would be like put handstand push-ups without a wall in and then make all the athletes that are trying to go to the games work on that for a year and then it will never see it again. So I know that's his personality, but I'm also saying I'm also like, OK, I'll be ready for those no matter what. I was not surprised that the freestanding handstand pushup showed up at the games. I was surprised that there was a movement involved with them. Most of the time we do freestanding handstand push-ups you're just going to do them in place but then you have to do it move forward and come back down to the ground and show control for in order to get a quality rep that's the type of thing that if i if they're going to put it at the games what i would how i would have liked to seen it was put

a freestanding handstand push-up in in one spot in the same, maybe the same rep scheme, six, 10, 14, whatever it is. And then over the next year or two, maybe you introduce something where you have to do freestanding handstand pushups and move in a.com workout once or twice over a 12 to 18 month period of time. So it's like, there's a little Easter egg there. I thought that to introduce that right then, and then expect them to be able to do that. And obviously they were able to figure it out. A majority of them figured it out and some of them finished the workout. They're incredible athletes and have great capacity. But I felt like it just, it took a little bit away from what I would want to see on the last day of the CrossFit Games.

The way I work is I was just scared for the athletes. You're probably right, Brian, the way you work is I was just scared for the athletes. You're, you're probably, you're probably right, Brian, the way you think about it. But like anytime there's something like that, I just start getting really nervous for the athletes. Like, like just that someone's going to get just crazy fucking exposed.

I can't, there was something else in one of the other workouts that I was super nervous for the athletes. Cause I, because I don't want anyone to get exposed. I want everyone to do great. I know it can't be like that, but you can't, I want everyone to do great. I know it can't be like that. I want everyone to do great.

But I see your point, Brian. I definitely see your point. It's just like we talked about before that workout that there was a precedent for being able to do freestanding handstand pushups that was put in place by CrossFit Journal 20 years ago when they said press to handstand should be part of your repertoire. But there was no – I don't know that there was any precedent for being able to do a freestanding handstand walk move forward one foot come back to the ground show control and then do it again and again and again in the middle of a metcon i'm not sure it doesn't help that that fucking moron ceo that came in in 2018 hid the fucking journal and it's now 2000 fucking 21 and they got a new regime in there and they still haven't pulled the journal out from the fucking bottom pits of hell it's a complete

fucking disgrace to everything that crossfit's fucking about and uh fuck you 10 000 plus pieces of insane content in the crossfit journal tons of fucking people who've gotten their physiology uh degrees kinesthesiology degrees have said that the two days that their crossfit level one is better than those all fucking four years of their college it's all in the crossfit journal and that shit is still just buried why they ever buried it is complete idiocy it's a gift to fucking humanity and the fact that they haven't pulled it out and now there's handstand push-ups in the games and anyone who wants to use that as an argument that it was in the journal and they said that it should that all crossfiters should be able to do it well then put that shit front and center that's what crossfit's fucking about

did i say any of that shit out loud just Just fuck you. I just heard fuck you. Event number 15. The final event of the CrossFit Games. Is any part of you excited now, Jason? You're like, holy shit, this week's finally coming to an end. I can't wait to do this. I'm excited about that. You are.

You feel it. Everyone feels it. It's like the last day of school in the seventh grade. You you're bummed because you're not going to see that pretty girl that you sat next to every day in class and you never talked to her and you dropped the ball, but you get to be done with school for the summer. Yeah, that's how I felt. You took 17th place with an 8.08. And at this point, do you even care what place you finish in as you go into this event? Not finish in terms of that event, but in the games totally? Yeah.

I knew there was still some money on the line if I could jump somebody a couple thousand dollars or so. It's funny um jason's his his emotions for this entire podcast are probably step in step with how they were at the games he's just like like like just auguring in like like like one of those planes like ba barracus would fly in the a team and just crashes it into the ground but they all live the plane is fucked up number uh what was event number 15 600 meaningless meters on the rower 90 very important chest bar pull-ups and then a series of lunging back rack front rack overhead lunging most of the athletes did the back they never had

to break any of the segments really. Maybe one step short on overhead lunge at the end, but most of them did back rack to front rack and then rested and then finished overhead lunge. No one did that on broken, all three? I don't think so, but I think someone maybe told me that Haley Adams tried to,

but I'm not sure if she did or not. I haven't gone back and watched any of the broadcast coverage. Obviously, I don't know if I'd be able to see that anyway, but I'm not sure if she did or not. I haven't gone back and watched any of the broadcast coverage. Obviously, I don't know if I'd be able to see that anyway, but I don't remember anyone doing it while I was there live. However, I was writing a lot at that time, so I wasn't paying that much attention as I usually would be. Why did you call it 600 meters of pointless row? 600 meter row and then 90 chest bar pull-ups in one set everyone's coming off the row within five seconds of each other and it doesn't really matter if you're first or last your capacity on chest bar pull-ups is going to separate you out pretty significantly in the next two to three

minutes and then unless you're you know you know at that point in the games like if you're if you've made it the top 20 you should be be able to lunge that barbell. But it does get your heart rate up significantly. You could screw it up by going too fast, but I don't think anyone is making that mistake that's in that field. Oh, come on. Hopper's already fucking done that half the events of the game. I was super. that half the events of the game came out to be talking about.

I was super... I was wanting to just send it and see what happens, but I wanted to play it smart. And how were the chest-to-bar pull-ups? I mean, they were what it was. They were hard. I mean, it was 90 consecutive bar muscle... chest-to-bars. I would chest of bars i would have like probably never

done that in training and you've probably never done that in training right i've never done that training and so it's you know that and especially when you already had a workout earlier in the test that was 48 consecutive bar muscle ups like i would have liked or muscle ups of different varieties i would have liked this last workout a little better if it was like three rounds of 500-meter row, 30 chest-to-bar pull-ups, and then round one was a back rack lunge. Round two was a front rack lunge. Round three was an overhead lunge. I disagree. I think that the lunges allowed for crazy showmanship.

I saw Yandy in here posted that overhead walking lunges are dangerous like he's not but brian's still not saying that i know i know brian didn't say that but but but but but the transition is what lets so in sport in sports in in sports a bad throw is an opportunity for a great catch right and so there's a there's a point where in the programming that like hey this may be bad programming but it lets someone and by bad i put that in quotes this lets a superstar really really shine and so like if you you know same with ultimate and it happened and it happened because obviously maderos and and tia crushed that workout and and you know put an exclamation part mark on their win.

I'm just saying, if you have another workout in the same competition that has 48 consecutive muscle-ups and then the other one has 90 consecutive chest-bar pull-ups, it's testing that uniform capacity of upper body pulling. It seems a little redundant to me. Instead, one of the workouts I felt should have been different. I'm not saying that you're wrong about the drama of the lunge at the end. I'm saying I was looking more at the big picture. Okay. Okay.

Fair. Anders just said the broadcast wasn't covering the event anyway, just storytelling of some of the athletes. I don't know if you want to get me started on that. I don't know if you want to get me started on that. I don't know if you want to get me started on that. So you, so you,

so you finish, um, how, how are the, um, how are, so, so it's your body just like literally soon as you finish that last event,

like, is there like anything cathartic in the brain or like a mental release or like you just took a big shit? Like, is there anything that where you're just like thank god okay yeah i was pretty much over over it at that point and do you think a lot of people are i don't know for me it was more like i didn't like i was frustrated with, like Brian's saying, I felt like it was redundant. So it was like, why are we doing 90 chest-to-bar pull-ups? We just did 48 muscle-ups.

So it was one of those workouts that I didn't really get. I just felt like I didn't – the whole – there was a lot of workouts throughout the weekend, and I just didn't feel like I didn't the whole, there was a lot of workouts throughout the weekend and I just didn't feel like I could really almost showcase the, the movement that I was like really good at. Like the deadlifts were like a wash. The row was a wash. The pig flip was a wash, you know, all these workouts that are popping up.

It's more of like, okay, like I'm struggling with this because there's just high-capacity skill work, and I'm not at that level to hang around the big guys, and that just showed. And so when the workout gets released, 600-meter row, the row is pointless, and the row is my best movement in, in CrossFit. So I knew the workout was not one bit about the row. It was going to be about who can do, it wasn't even about the lunge. Like I'm really good at lunging, but it wasn't about the lunge either. It was

going to be about who can do 90 chest bar pull-ups faster. And you get the same result of who could do 48 muscle-ups faster. At that point, it was like, if I had been in first going into that workout, I would have been pretty livid having to do that again. But hopefully Dave's hearing this. I don't think anything Brian said is relevant to you. I don't think a fucking word Brian said is relevant to you. I think what he said is extremely relevant. I don't think it's relevant to you at all, and you should fucking block it out.

I think it's relevant. What? Tell me what that, explain more. So, Brian's talking about better programming, or better's better is not the right word different kinds of programming but why Jim Cleases how about you go fuck yourself I definitely am listening and I'm trying

to read your comments and I'm trying to take notes at the same time he says seven you can just admit that you are not listening and just waiting for your turn to talk you fucking asshole uh 20 burpees um brian's making up excuses like like what brian's saying could get into your brain as excuses and they're and and you shouldn't have them and you shouldn't have them as excuses like this is the fucking workout and like fucking do it and be prepared to do it and fucking kick ass like it's not it's not you need to understand maybe his programming but but you don't need to like you don't need to know if it's good or not

like i don't i don't think i don't think that that's i don't think that's um i don't think that's relevant to what to winning i mean I mean, I'm open to being wrong. The fittest, the fittest person in the world is it doesn't really, it doesn't matter what the programming is. Like Matt Frazier, the pro, the programming could have been all biased towards all the stuff that I'm good at. And Matt Frazier probably would have still won. It could have been not biased toward anything that I'm good at. And Mattzier probably would have still won. It could have been not biased toward anything that I'm good at. And Matt Frazier still would have won.

Cause he's the fittest and it didn't really matter the programming for me. I'm not to that level yet. And so the reality is the programming actually does affect how I'm going to finish because I'm not the fittest man in the world. And so there is a little luck in the game. Like if we were to do a 2k row five times out of 15, then my placing at the end of the day is going to be a little bit better than 19th because I just had five really good workouts and it's just the reality of it. Um, but no, it's not irrelevant. Like I'm going to make sure that I next, next

year, like I've in training, I've done a hundred freaking muscle ups for time and some kind of workout, you know, like there won't be one, one stone unturned next year, but I just felt so unprepared. I was unprepared for the skills. I was unprepared for the capacity. Um, next year, I'll guarantee that I'm going to be expecting the worst workouts ever. I was unprepared for the capacity. Um, next year I'll guarantee that I'm going to be expecting the worst workouts ever. I'm going to be expecting not to do one deadlift, one row, um, one, I won't be expecting to touch one machine. Um, so then when it does come up, I'm like, Oh, I'm actually excited now. Um, but I'm going to be preparing for the worst, the worst, it now um but i'm gonna be preparing for the worst the worst and we'll see what happens 100 000 ring muscle-ups for time like i'll be freaking ready for it

i'm done 30 handstand push-ups for time without a wall who whatever i mean i'm gonna be i'm gonna be a freaking phenom at triple unders at that point. Do you like what you're hearing, Brian? Do you believe him? I believe that he's going to work hard this offseason to make sure he's as prepared as he thinks he can be. Brian won't put me at number two, though, again.

Oh! Do you think that Hopper has championship mindset? Yes. Will you tell me your honest opinion after the show's over? Yes. Hopper, when are you going to come on again? Whenever you invite me. All right.

Can we talk about one more, anything else? Yeah, Tyler, I'm so sorry. We had another podcast lined up, but unless you're yoked as shit and handsome like Jason, I'm sure you can totally understand. We have another podcast lined up, but go ahead, Jason. Go ahead. Go ahead. What? You said, can we talk about one more thing? Yeah. But you start the conversation. I just got my second wind did you shit your pants at all this weekend when i saw pat the owner yeah right i understand that but i mean uh there were there was talk we brian and i've talked to some athletes and they said that there were moments where they

thought they were going to shit their pants literally and i'm wondering if i'm really wondering about that lake water of all the things that i'm concerned about at the crossfit games the only thing that i'm concerned about is besides the broadcast is the lake water is that lake water fucked up i didn't think it was did you see the picture of me i posted yesterday in the lake do you follow you don't even follow me so on oh my gosh i probably do i probably do dude look at this this was me in the lake even though i came in 12 this was me i'm looking right now all right you see these this is everybody else behind this is the leader yeah where are you oh over there what happened holy shit right here yeah you're like totally off course you swam away from the school a fish away man wait i don't see that in your instagram

i'm on your instagram i don't see that i see you like doing a thumbs up or something i posted it's on my story oh i don't have time i'm i don't have time you have 30 000 followers i have 98 000 followers i don't have time to look at other people's shit i'm too busy in my dms i'm too busy in my dm do you want to know how badass this podcast is i am so fucking shadow banned and i still put on 500 followers during the games. It's kind of crazy. No, 600. Jesus. You're funny, man. Thanks for coming on. Have you talked to – I'll finish one.

Okay, one more question. Have you talked to Taylor – what's our friend's name? Taylor or Tyler? Dang. Are you serious? There's too many names. Taylor Self.

Dude, he hasn't texted me one bit. Yeah, he's scared. He's already getting ready for next year. He's scared. Did you eat enough during the games? Yeah. I was shoving peanut butter jellies down my throat, dude. That's good.

Did you sleep well there? Not really. that's good did you sleep well there uh not really because you're thinking about the competition or because environment wasn't good i was so sore at on friday that i couldn't get comfortable in my bed i couldn't fall asleep yeah jim um i i i'm constantly trying to listen at my absolute best um i don't have a very strong memory when it comes to some things but i'm also multitasking like a mofo so um understand that but but i take i take all of the people who come on the show very seriously very seriously i take the podcast extremely seriously because i know Jason just gave an hour and a half or two hours of his time. And I, I, I detest people who waste each other's time.

So, um, and I thought about him the whole time I was showering before the show. What are you, what are you projecting me to do next year? I'm going to pee. And when I get, you guys better be done. We've got another podcast. You need to come out with a projection for next year right now and see what happens. Based on 2021,

2022 projection. You know, that's not a terrible idea. Give me maybe a month from now. I'll do something like that. I'll project you around 10th. 10th? Yeah.

There's some guys coming back. There's some guys built coming up. We'll see. Taylor self might be up there. Ninth. Ninth. No, I'm just speculating.

I have no idea, but that is, that's not a bad idea. I've never done that. Like before the season before that would be completely different. Yeah. Well, whatever money that you make off that one, then I get a percentage. Cause that a bad idea. I've never done that. Like before the season before that would be completely different. Yeah. Well, whatever money that you make off that one,

then I get a percentage. Cause that was my idea. But do you, do you think this is a question that I'll ask after we start recording? I think that's a cue, Ryan. Yeah.