The Sevan Podcast - #97 - Jacob Heppner

Episode Date: August 6, 2021

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And we will be live in a few seconds. I'm going to hop off, guys. That's it? It was nice to meet you. You too, Ryan. Ryan, you the man. Thank you. Yep.

Well, shit. Well, shit well shit sorry guys first podcast huh yeah yeah 109 podcasts and i haven't figured it out you know what it is is ryan ryan ryan's like a like a crossfitter like he puts working out before everything so today he's like hey i'm a CrossFitter. Like he puts working out before everything. So today he's like, Hey, I'm working out. I'm like,

okay. Or he's coaching. Maybe he's coaching. That's all CrossFitters do coach and work out. Right? Exactly. So I'm like, Hey,

no, no worries. I got this shit, but I didn't, I don't see the live stream. So I can't see the comments and that's half the fun reading the nasty comments. Oh, you have comments on this thing at the same time oh

wonderful yeah it's great it's so great videos shit ryan what's up how come i can't see the video i don't think we're actually live how would we know if we're live how would someone tell us if we're live or not because i don't see it in my playlist. Can you check? Can you check, Ryan? I think I'm seeing the same thing as you. I just messaged Ryan. Let me see live.

Well, it says we're live. Let me click it. I see something. There we are. Bam, we're live. I love something. There we are. Bam, we're live. I love it. He wasn't fucking around. But I don't think anyone can respond.

Oh, it's unlisted. Tell Ryan it's unlisted. No fucking wonder. I swear to God, we're close. How'd you even find it? I went to somewhere in the close. How'd you even find it? I went to like the somewhere in the back. Somewhere in the back. Let me see. Unlisted.

Public. I'll make it public. Publish. Bam. Okay. There we go. Jacob Hebner. Hi.

Hey, Saban. What's going on, dude? We're 17 minutes late. Hey. Better late than never. Does any part of you are like, yeah, what a shit show. This is a joke. These guys don't respect my time. No, you wouldn't be the first

nor would you be the last to have technical issues for a podcast. Believe me. Yeah. If I could help, I would, but i have no idea how to do it thank you that i would be so furious if i was someone as your caliber and i came onto a podcast and they didn't have their shit together uh there has been worse podcasts where it wasn't technology but it was the people asking questions were just just bad so like what color what color are your eyes jacob uh blue green man what kind of car do you drive jacob uh i'm sponsored by the crossfit

game so i drive a dodge ram man it's a dodge but it's old what kind of dog do you have jacob oh my gosh a corgi i'm trying to do a bad interview on your on your instagram it says yes lizzie we got it sorted thank you on your instagram it says live your life in such a manner that if somebody talked poorly about you nobody would believe it that's me paraphrasing i didn't write it down exactly let me read it one more time live your life in such a manner that if somebody talked poorly about you nobody would believe it and when i saw that it reminded me of um 2010 or whenever i first met rich froning and i went out to cookville and i hung out with him for like a week or two and i remember thinking to myself telling my wife if

this guy walked out of a fucking brothel everyone would think he was there saving people like that's how shit doesn't stick to him. Whereas like 99.9% of all of other men, if they walked out of a brothel, they'd be like, damn, homie got busted. He got caught. Are you saying that because right now I'm sitting in a adult parking lot getting good service? Are you trying to make stuff stick, Savan? Because I have crappy service in Kansas.

I didn't even think of that. So the backstory, guys jacob goes hey i'm getting i'm going to do this podcast on my cell phone i'm like no please use your computer he's like no don't worry i got this he goes i'm going to drive to a spot right next to his cell tower i'm like oh man and then brian asked him where is he and he goes there's a strip club in town and it has every time he drove by it he noticed he had great cell service which is not what I noticed when I drive by a strip club. But anyway, so now he's parked in the parking lot. Hey, when you're parked there, do you see people coming in and out? I bet you people think like you're a cop.

It's 2 o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, that's when all the best clients go. It's actually a parking lot with like a country bar, a CBb store an adult club it's got a couple different and an auto shop please tell me please tell me a cigarettes for less too no just a big a big cbd store and they actually grow hemp in the field next to it so oh farm farm to table are you seriously you're just looking at a hemp field. Yeah. Kansas, uh, Kansas allows hemp fields if it's, uh, um, for research.

Yeah. And, and it's, it's like hemp. It's not like, it's not like marijuana with like THC. It's like for making, um, yeah. Textiles or whatever. Oh, CBD. Right. Yeah. So if it's less, if it's less than uh 0.2 percent thc you can consider it

hemp it's it's the same it's the same plant but it's just less than thc and can you smell it when you drive by does it just smell like crazy you know i haven't i haven't driven over and smelled it i'm being quite frank with you i haven't it's like it's like 100 yards i can see it but i've never really i know that hemp gives off a weird uh smell for sure but i haven't smelled it myself i've never actually driven over there i have one plant in my backyard it's probably six and a half feet tall with like a circumference of i don't know 10 feet 15 feet it's massive it's like a christmas tree and it's got just huge i don't know if you're familiar with the plant but it has these huge giant like colas on it where like all the flowers are waiting to be

um fertilized so they can make seeds and if there's no male plant around they don't do that but man my whole yard smells like some skunky champagne it's kind of it's crazy it's really cool so we actually two years ago my wife and I put in some research, uh, cause Kansas state of Kansas allows you to grow hemp on your property for research purposes. And so we thought, man, like currently in our space, like there's no company that takes raw products from an athlete and makes like Nike's not buying rubber from Matt Frazier and then making the Matt Frazier shoe. I was like, man, we should grow hemp on our property, sell it back to a company I work with, and then make a product saying, hey, it's from my property.

But the process to get approved to grow hemp is just huge. And then COVID hit, and then everyone stopped working. So we never did it. Yeah, why would you work when you get a fat check in the mail? Yeah, everyone was like, man, I'm going home. I'm not working anymore. And then we never did it yeah why would you work when you get a fat check in the mail yeah everyone was like i'm going home i'm not working anymore then we never got it approved so um before i want to i want to dig back to like when you were born but but before we do that um the the the coolest thing i've seen on your instagram as i dug through the whole thing today is your barn. That thing is dope. So tell me you and your wife live on how many acres? Why did you build that barn? And you claim there's

a foundation, but when I look at the pictures, it just looks like wood on the ground. Yeah. So, um, we bought the property came for sale during the rogue invitational during COVID and it was 50 acres of land. We bought it in four days. Uh, it had a really, uh, old farmhouse on it. It's like two bedroom, one bath right in the middle of the house, you know, old farmhouse. I mean, right in the middle of the property, like. No, so the, the, the, the house is next to the, next to the road, but like it's an old farmhouse where, you knowhouse where all the bedrooms surround a bathroom in the middle.

Oh, okay. Weirdly built. I don't know, but okay. Yeah, and so we bought it. We renovated that house. We live in that now. It's a really small farmhouse. And then we built 50 by 70.

It's a wood structure, insulated, 50 by 70 with concrete pads in the front and the back. But yeah, it has a foundation. It's not dirt. Okay. And it worked very well. Yeah, it was tripping me out. And is your home on that property too? No.

So it will be. The idea of buying the property was I'm going to die on this property. And so my wife's already getting the house plans together, working with the company to get the house plans, and it's going to be built the back of the property. Um, so we'll have when that's done, I think not this October, but next October it'll be finished. So October, 2022, we'll have the barn, the house we'll live in, and then I'll have that separate house on our property that we currently live in the two bedroom house that I can use for athletes to come train for an extended period of time, do it for camps and seminars, Airbnb it,

because we're like 10 minutes away from the Kansas City Speedway. So we're really close to a lot of attractions around here, attractions in Kansas. Yeah. So people who aren't from the United States who don't know, Kansas is where the Wizard of oz took place it's kind of a i don't really know how to how to describe it but on one coast of our country we have california and on the other coast we have new york and then we have florida down in the south

and texas and those are the four states and then all the other states are just like fictionary fiction fiction areas forictionary? Fictional. Fictional. Fictional. Thank you. Thank you. Fictionary. Fictionary is a game. It's a fictionary place. And Kansas is one of the most iconic fictional places. And so it is a little hard to believe. It's just a trip. It's a trip that someone lives there. But anyone you meet from these places are usually nicer than the places that I mentioned. They live good lifestyles.

They are kinder people. They say hi to strangers. They hold doors open for women. They pull over on the side of the street if someone has a flat tire. It's a whole different life than than than some of these other places with these um hellions in it um so you are you born in kansas jacob i'm actually born in california wow old california uh born in san joaquin valley merced california right smack dab in the middle and how do you end up up in Kansas? Well, because California sucks as a state.

That's why. Yeah. Um, I was, we lived out there for about 16 years of my life. We lived in an ag area, agricultural area. So it wasn't too different from this. You know, most people, obviously, when they think of California, I think I go, uh, surfing with Brad Pitt every morning, but we lived in an ag area, right. Um, lived in a bunch of fruit vineyards or fruit orchards. And, uh, we moved out here during the, I moved out with my parents in the middle of high school. I mean, the state's just, California is just too expensive. Taxes too high. You can't afford to live there. Um, and so he moved out here and life's just slower. Like you mentioned, life's slower, life's nicer. I don't want to tell many people that cause I want them to stay in California. I want to keep

my lifestyle out here. It's kind of like, whole Texas concept where everyone moves out of California and goes to Texas and tries to change it. I don't want that. I want my state to stay the same. Are people moving there? I think so. I think a lot of people are leaving California because of whatever bad situations and moving to Texas and then taking their political or belief systems along with them and turning it back into California again, I feel like. So people know where Merced is.

When he said it's an ag area, the whole center of California is a monster ag area. Some people claim it's the biggest agricultural area in the world. It's about 90 miles east of san francisco 90 miles south of stockton california the home of the great nick and nate diaz um so you moved there when you're 16 what what a what a change were you hesitant to move there were you like you didn't want to leave high school yeah you know um oh kansas footloose footloose when you think of the movie footloose that's kansas okay sorry go ahead jacob it's a it's a flyover state man right smack down and everyone flies over um yeah i wasn't too hesitant i'm pretty extroverted so i made some friends pretty

quick it was an opportunity to make new friends and um i don't know i wouldn't change it for the world it was the best decision my parents ever made to come on out here. I mean, was able to meet my wife out here, find a job, find CrossFit out here. I mean, wouldn't change it for the world. Have you been back to California since you left? Yeah, I have. So I had a majority for a while. I had a majority of my, my side, both sides of my family were still in California. So we'd go back for family events or meeting friends or weddings or whatever the case or the games for that matter um but other than that i don't go back often and your wife is a um native to kansas correct she's actually missourian she's from

missouri she's a native from missouri is her family cool as shit they're ranchers and yes they are yeah he's a rancher. He owns a lot of land. He ranches and he farms. That's what he does. And how did you meet her? In college. Met her in college. I was in the friend zone for four years.

I was her, quote-unquote, pretty much her gay friend. That wasn't gay, but still, that's what she pretty preferred to me as. Wow. So four years. I had to court my wife for five years. So you had to sit through other boyfriends and shit like that like that too. Oh yeah. I did all that shit. It's the, it's the worst of all. It's the absolute worst. And did she know?

Yeah, of course she knew. She knew we actually like. Oh, you're making me not believe my wife. I'm starting to think like my, my wife like claims like she didn't know for the first four years, I think. It's making me not believe my wife. I'm starting to think like my wife claims like she didn't know for the first four years, I think. No, she knew. I mean, I tried. Like she would write letters. So she studied abroad in London.

She studied fashion buying over in London for a whole year. And we wrote letters back and forth, old school style. None of this email. It was like handwritten letters when she still had a boyfriend. And did she have the same boyfriend during that whole four years no she had i think she had different boyfriends i don't keep track of them i don't want to make her feel bad yeah my my group my wife had the same boyfriend i thought there was no chance i thought they were getting married and all that shit and i was like on just slitting your dms i try well it was before the dms there wasn't even cell phones then but i i i really really was

pursuing her and i and you know a few times she had to give me the heisman and be like yo i got a boyfriend like i would never ever like like get back boy hey the best things in life are worth waiting for or stalking for that matter i guess and and and how old are you uh 31 and you met her when you were for that matter, I guess. And how old are you? 31. And you met her when you were? 20, 20, 19, 20, I think.

So when people ask, so when people ask you how long you guys have been going out, what do you say? We've been married for seven years as of like last week. So we started dating. As soon as we started dating we got we got engaged pretty quickly because i knew what i wanted um you know and or if she did too actually she's as soon as she had to give in to dating me um so we've been dating for probably we probably dated for like a couple months before we got before we got engaged but do you tell people like i tell people like when people ask how long you've been with So we've probably been dating for probably, we probably dated for like a couple months before we got, before we got engaged.

But do you tell people, like, I tell people, like, when people ask how long you've been with your wife, I say, like, from the first time I met her. You know what I mean? I count that five years of like the friend zone. I don't, but I usually tell a really good colorful story about how I was like a friend, a friend zone for four years, but I usually don't count that. Right. Okay. So that's the year. I think you guys get married. Do you get married right after 14 games? Right before. Right before. So we got, my first year at regionals was 2013. I took 18th, you know, like,

and then I'm training for a whole year. I'm not expecting to qualify. Right. Out of the North central, right. Cause that's Cal Casper Bowers region. And so I'm not expecting to qualify. And, uh, we had already planned our wedding, got engaged. We picked the date on July 19th of 2014. And then I go to the 2014 regionals and Navy pier Chicago and took second behind second behind Kasper. Kasper, me, and then oh gosh, what is his

name? How is that that regional? Not EZ Muhammad. Not EZ Muhammad. I'll find it for you. It doesn't matter. It was Alex Nettie. Alex Nettie, thank you. I feel bad now. Alex Nettie took third. And I remember they were like,

hey, congratulations, you qualified to the 2014 CrossFit Games. What do you have to say for yourself? And I'm like, when is it? And they're like, you have to report on July 20th. And I'm like, Oh, I get married. I looked at my wife and I'm like, when do we get married? She's like the 19th. And I'm like, there's your honeymoon for like the next four years of your life. Have fun. Oh, damn. So you literally got married the day before got married the day before we got married went to a hotel right next to the airport woke up the next morning at zero five jumping the plane and i was at the games for the whole week how how is she with that how is she with you how was she with your um crossfit obsessionFit obsession? Um, well for the first

couple of years of my life or first couple of years of our marriage, I had a, I had a full-time job. So it wasn't like you could be as obsessed as you possibly could be with the full-time job. And then that obviously changed when I decided to quit. But I mean, it's, it's a part of us now, right? Like it's, it defines our marriage. So when, when I decided to retire last year and decided not to compete anymore, that's a, that's a big, you know, like she's only ever known me doing this. So being able to say, Hey honey, I know that you define your husband as CrossFit taking that out of your life to a degree in that competition is, is hard. So, um, but wait, no, she knew you before you did CrossFit. Yeah, she did. Um, but. But we started dating after I'd already found it.

So since we started dating, it's been a part of our lives. Okay. So you're born in Merced, California, and do you have siblings? Hello? Hi, Jacob. Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? Good. Do you have siblings? I have two. I have a sister who's a year younger than me. And then I have a sister who is like 16 years younger than me. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Not playing. Not playing. So she wasn't, she, are any of you guys adopted? No, no. So your parents, your parents did it to make all of you? Yeah, correct. Yeah, that's correct. They did it willingly or not, unknowingly or knowingly.

That's how they created all three of us. And so your sister was born in Kansas. My sister was actually born in California. And then we moved out almost immediately within like a couple weeks to a month to Kansas but yeah she's born in California but she pretty much has resided her whole life in Midwest and when did you know when did you know you were into sports when did that happen was your did your parents get you involved right away as a young kid yeah we got um i didn't get pushed into anything so i like how you do your kids right because you don't push your boys into anything right so you kind of let them

make their own decisions and that's i just pay them i just pay them a dollar per workout but whatever details yeah so uh my parents did something similar right my father uh my father pole vaulted in college and my mother was a long distance runner and i never pole vaulted in college, and my mother was a long-distance runner. And I never pole vaulted. I never did long-distance running, but I wanted to do football. They let me do football, American football. And so I played that throughout high school and college. And it's pretty much the only sport I ever did.

I tried baseball, but I hated it, and I was terrible at it, so I quit. You look kind of like a baseball player. That's insulting. That's insulting. Sorry. Sorry. I didn't mean it that way. And so when you say you played football in college, that sounds pretty hardcore. Yeah. It sounds pretty hardcore to you. Ask me how many games I started and I'd say a big old goose egg. I was, uh, I was, let's see, how how do i define what position i was a strong safety outside linebacker okay um i definitely improved the team's gpa by quite a bit um i tutored everyone on the team in mathematics and i never started a single game i was a special teams player wow but i was i was always in shape always loved it but never started i wasn game. I was a special teams player. Wow. But I was always in shape, always loved it, but never started.

I wasn't very good at it, but I loved it. Some guy named D.Y.L. the Young says, so Jacob got them athletic genes. I don't believe in athletic genes. Do you? No, I mean, no. I think it's just something if you practice it at an early age. I don't know. I'm reading this book Bounce, and it's basically the pro the prodigy and talent does not exist.

Of course, we're all born with different characteristics. But then even the people who say Mozart's a prodigy, if you look back, he had three and a half thousand hours of practice by the time he was like seven years old or some crazy shit like that. The musical practice comes down to your parents, right? It's like or or your drive. Like, I didn't have a drive when I was younger to learn music. Had I been, maybe I wouldn't be good at music. I don't know. Right.

And in this book, he kind of breaks society down into two groups. People who do things, and when they start to fail they avoid them and people who do things because we all start to fail when we try new things and people who start to fail when they do things and they're up for the challenge they don't have this sort of their mind doesn't start making excuses like that's too hard or i'm not talented enough or i guess that's not me or i'm not the right body type i mean yeah good examples boxing right like that was thrust not thrust into my lap but that was given an opportunity to me and that's I've never been enough enough I've never done a fighting sport in my life I did like a summer jujitsu many years ago but like it's not something that is me and it's been very difficult

to learn but it's been enjoyable to fail over and over and over again and learn as we go. I wonder if it's even harder. Not, this is a lie. I know it's harder for you to fail because you are so good at sports. You know, someone asked me that the other day. So they didn't. That's the first time you've heard that question. That's a question so i was actually in so every week we usually go spar right and i was in a ring uh the week before the games and i was doing some sparring some hard sparring and uh with a young kid who's been doing this forever right and uh if we traded blows back and forth he was much younger than me and someone at the end like like seven like six like six but super fast hands josh and

i were talking about this i'm like there is no age in boxing where you're like oh i can't get beat up by them that is not that is not true he was probably like 16 17 and on the end of it someone asked me like well like don't you have more pride than to go into that ring and get beat up by someone who's maybe half your age or whatever and i I was like, no, like I've done my time in a sport. I've been at the top tier of my sport for many years. Right. And now it's CrossFit is a super humbling sport, right? You're not going to be good at everything. Look at Frazier. He still failed at certain things. Like a frowning, he still failed at rope climbs. Right. And missed out on one spot at the games and getting first, like it's still a humbling sport. So taking that, being good at that, and then going into a different sport and you realize like,

I don't have to be the best at boxing. I've already been the best at something else. Now, do I want to be good at boxing? Absolutely. But it's not going to play on how I feel about myself. Like I'm here to have a good time, put on a good show, put forth my best effort. But at the same time, I'm okay if I get beat up by a 16 year old that's fine or someone like josh um well look even matt i think he had already won the crossfit games but um running was his we i've brought the story up many times running was his uh weak point so he joined a high school track team and the in the high school kids were beating up on him i mean here's the fittest man in the world is, is letting, you know, high school kids outrun them. Yeah. I mean, that's not by choice. Yeah. And that's what I love about our sport is like, it humbles everybody. If it humbles the

first place guy, the guy who's the best at our sport has defined it, then it's for sure going to humble the last place guy. And, and it's all throughout that. It's just humbling. Um, a friend of mine was, uh was uh in it sharing a text message thread that they had with someone else the other day and they were like well that's just the way crossfitters are they're they're mostly conservatives and libertarians and i remember thinking man that's not really if i were to think of who crossfitters are i wouldn't put them in a political category i would put them in people who want to make themselves better. People who take personal responsibility, people who take personal accountability, people who believe in themselves, people who want to get control of their lives,

people who want to be around people who believe instead of feel sorry for you, people who believe in you. I have one of my good friends who showed up at my barn during COVID, he couldn't graduate college because COVID hit and his college kicked him out. He's a Harvard graduate. So super smart and obviously very liberal and probably has a completely different than me. But he showed up to my barn and just, and that's, you're right, right? Like you can't put everybody in, oh, we're mostly liberal or conservative or libertarian or whatever. It comes down to how hard we work and what we're willing to like, because the fact of

the matter is the sport is birthed on the idea that I'm not good at this. So I'm going to go try and be better at this. I'm going to learn from my mistakes and switch it as I go forward. So regardless of your liberal concern, I don't really care. Like as long as you come into my barn or my gym and have a willingness attitude to accept loss and fix things, I don't care what you believe in. Right, right. And yeah, you can, you can, and it's a very accepting community too. You can show up there with your Gatorade and within three months you won't show up there with your Gatorade. You show up with a monster.

Ah, you're killing me. Instantly, instantly one of his favorite guests. Yeah, instantly. So you, so you play college football and, football, and did you graduate from college? Yep. Graduated with a degree in mathematics, man. Oh, wow. Woo-hoo!

Wow. And do you like math? Do you like math? I love it. You like numbers? It's the only thing that has no – can't break a rule and it makes sense logically right like i before e except that for c i always hated english i'm like stupid rule breakers like math is like black and white it's either right or it's wrong there's no gray or in between

except in oregon it's racist but totally different subject um so okay so. So that's, that's fascinating. So you, so you, you're a pretty logical person. I would say so. Yeah. I mean, usually I guess it would be one of the athletes in the sport that's willing to put their opinions out and I will spend time formulating my opinion that makes sense to me and not everyone's going to agree with it. Fine by me. We're not all made the same, but I usually am okay putting out a logical opinion that's well thought out yeah and i guess by logical i mean you you want to like before you and i are fighting over um uh an idea or concept first we'll define the words like like like we're not going to fight over two plus two is four versus two plus two is five until we've defined

what plus means yeah so one of the things so after graduated college, I worked for the army as a DOD civilian for about three or four years. And we worked in a field called, um, operations research systems analysis as an ORSA. And what that means is we define problems. So if you have a problem, we have to define the givens and the assumptions and the definitions. So you're right. That's how I approach everything is, hey, Savant, before we get into a question of why are hypothetically – the hypothetical question might be why is most people in CrossFit conservative or libertarian? Let's define what those means of what most people are, and then we can get into actually solving the equation. People, that is the biggest problem with everything that's going on in the world right now. People are refusing to define their terms, and they're refusing to do the math. And whether it's you're fighting with your girlfriend, your wife, whether it's upset that your dog's peeing in the house, you have to make you have to define the situation or else it'll be two people who are it'll be two people who are trapped in their head fighting with each other.

And that is one of the components of insanity. People always ask me, Jake, what's the like? You got a degree in math. Like, why? Like, what did that give you? And I think what I tell most people is like, yeah, like right now I add by 45 and I multiply two, right? I don't do a lot of math right now except for lifting, right? Or how many rounds am I boxing? But I think what it teaches you, it can teach you is to sit down and to not make a rash decision,

but instead make an informed decision and a logical that's what it teaches you right is before i jump to a conclusion say oh i don't like savon the first question is well why don't why do i think that way it's to find who savon is and figure it out and that applies to everything whether it's political religious ideology whatever it is right right um someone someone just said any uh life is not that black and white i forget it was the same guy who said that and i want to acknowledge the fact that um when we had pat velner on the show he said one of my you know he said my problem is that i'm too what was the word he said absolute and yeah i i am pretty I am pretty black and white and

I am pretty absolute and I do, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty, I'm, I'm hooked on numbers. I'm addicted to numbers. So I understand. People, uh, I always find I'm a very opinionated individual. I have an opinion on everything, whether it's right or wrong. I'll tell you that. And I'll admit my faults, but people usually don't like very opinionated people in this day and age, right? Especially if they don't agree with you. Now, you and I, Siobhan, may disagree on whatever. You can name it. We might disagree on it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to think differently of you.

It doesn't mean I'm going to be like, Siobhan's a moron. But unfortunately, that's the day that that's what today's age does is if they disagree with you, like, he's an idiot. I don't want to discuss it. I just want to call him an idiot or call him some horse. Right. The people who don't want to discuss it i just want to call him an idiot or call him worse right the people who don't want to discuss it i will lump them in the category as idiots um please move to nevada not to kansas please not to kansas i think it would be lovely if schools so i was uh i was homeschooled for a majority of my before high school and i was a part of a a debate team to debate for a while. And I think it's important that people actually learn that in school,

like learn how to have a difference of opinion. Brian and I might disagree, but learn how to talk through it, walk through it, present evidence that's real, and then talk about the situation. But they won't do that in school. You know, speaking of you and brian disagreeing did jacob make the um top 40 best crossfitters of all time please no don't put me on there um i ran into that problem when i was teaching in high school

a lot of the kids not only were they unwilling to take a position, they were really afraid of being wrong. And it's like, that was the thing that I tried to get them to like, just take a chance. Like, and even now this is happening this week, all these people, I knew you were wrong about this,

this games, this games athlete, and they were going to do better than that. And I'm like, well, you didn't say anything. Care. Eat a dick.

Carson Smith says, Jacob Heppner has a body pillow shaped like Josh Bridges. True or false? So he was in, he's originally from outside St. Louis, right? St. Charles. He was born and raised in St. Charles,

which is like four hours down the road from me because I'm in Kansas City. He came and took his boys to a Royals game a couple of weeks back. And so I said, hey, you're in town. The Royals are in Kansas City. Come hang out. I have a heavy bag in my barn hanging from a rake. And I have an old games t-shirt of Josh's that someone had in my gym and gave to me

for some reason. And I was going to like wrap it around my heavy bag and like not even say anything about it let him walk in let him like hey why is my t-shirt wrapped around the heavy bag but he didn't he rockstarred me he didn't show up and work out with me so oh damn did you see did you even get to see him no he was seeing friends in kansas city and then he had a late night with his kids i don't blame him for coming out working out with me early in the morning so i don't think he wants to see you because he wants to it's too close too close we saw each other at the games and we had a good time swapping stories so that was fun to be able to see him there um how did that go did you guys weren't you guys supposed to work out three times

against each other yeah friday saturday sunday uh josh got sick like a little weenie and didn't show up till saturday so we had to skip out on Friday, Saturday But it was still good, we still got the new one The important part was to get in front of people And talk about the fight And get people stoked about it And honestly just get people excited about Crossfitters trying something other than Crossfit

Because what's at the top of the pyramid Savan? Sport And no one does it It's ridiculous Most people don't even know what pyramid you're talking about um it's true uh and did you do the workout against him in the coliseum yep yep we did uh dave made it up on the fly we did uh 21 15 9 uh snatches at 75 pounds and a bar facing a barbies and i heard that within seconds it was obvious you were going to win because you were doing muscle snatches well i mean i'm also just i'm what did

i compete last year in 2020 was the last time josh competed in crossfit like it's been years so i'm recently off of it like unless we did what's josh really good at unless we did like 100 burpees yeah yeah something short right let's do something like right up josh's wheelhouse it was probably Like, unless we did, what's Josh really good at? Unless we did like a hundred burpees. Yeah. Yeah. Something short, right? Unless we did something like right up Josh's wheelhouse, it was probably going to happen that way. I think we both kind of knew it.

And, and you did it in a Coliseum, you said? Correct. Did the crowd go crazy? The crowd went crazy. They were yelling and screaming our name. That's awesome. And, and, uh, you said you did it on saturday so it's pretty full uh it was on sunday sunday at oh still pretty full sunday at noon so jam-packed i didn't remember

seeing that on the broadcast did they show that brian they didn't broadcast it don't worry they didn't broadcast travis mayer started an event, a heat event, 14 or 15, just fucking dominated the heat with Scott Panchik chasing him by like half a second the entire time. And they never showed Travis once. So don't worry. Don't feel bad. The broadcast team was high on something. Just like you're still learning how to do your 109th podcast, CrossFit still learned how to do their 12th year at the Games. It's still a learning process.

You're a good dude. Savan, you almost made me. What did include happening in the top athletes all time? 40th? 41st. What are we at? 20th. Wow.

That's pretty high. 15% down. I'll take it it how many games have you been to uh do you want to count 2020 games i usually don't yeah let's count it only because brian's here and brian's a purist but i don't count 14 15 16 19 20 five. And what happened in 17 and 18? 17, I had bursitis in my knee. We're going to go through it. 17, I had bursitis, couldn't even squat. And right before the open, so I was like, I'm out.

And then 18 was that very well thought out standard for handstand pushes i mean oh that's right i remember that i remember that clearly he did not have the capacity yeah i was like you're right i don't always win handstand push-up workouts you're right i'm terrible at them you're so correct wow that there is some irony there huh so the fun the irony behind it to be honest the good story is most people don't know this but 2018 that handstand push-up standard came out and it was just the most difficult standard of my life and so i i obviously didn't qualify there and then 2019 right they bought strict handstand push-ups back in a workout it was like it was the one that went single arm overhead walking lunges 50 foot 50 box step ups 50, 50 strict handstand push and like a 200 foot handstand walk. Right. And they didn't have the standard in that open workout. And I looked at my wife and I thought, I'm going to win this workout worldwide. So CrossFit has to announce that I want it just so they know that standard last year was stupid because they got rid of it.

stupid because they got rid of it and uh i had first in the bag but then someone at hq decided to like slow my video down to like quarter speed and one of my hands didn't hit the ground exactly when i dropped down from a handstand walk so they gave me third right behind frazier oh man yeah freaking frazier man freaking frazier uh bursitis that's when you have like a bone and like you have a bad bone you have like a bone grow like you have a bad bone you have like a bone grow when you don't want a bone to grow like like like in my sophomore year in high school when i was in spanish class no it's uh your bursa sack you have a bursa sack in your joints and it like swells up and it's just a bunch of fluid and it becomes really painful to use it and so i couldn't squat it was just so painful so okay so there's

there's no actual bone growth not that i know of okay and then what happens can't they they put a needle in it and drain it so it was more than that because some you can and this i already had knee issues already and it was more than just swelling because i asked that i said hey can we just drain it and they were like no you're to be painful. And that was the year they had like all squat snatches and went like up in weight, but lower reps and a bunch of chest to bar. And I couldn't even do that. So I was out. What do you think about, um, so you came from football. When did you find CrossFit? How old were you? I was in college. So I was up on i was working at fort leavenworth as a civilian uh as an intern during my junior year and someone just invited me to go to this thing called

crossfit and i was still in college so i still like a year left of football and someone invited me and i thought it was a cult probably is and uh it's straight up is. And that's how I kind of found it. I just kind of got drug into it. Didn't know what it was. And so if it was your junior year, you were like 20? Yeah, probably. Around that time. Yeah.

And where I was going with this is we've interviewed Jason Hopper. I don't know if you know who that is. He's kind of like the new kid on the block. He made it to the games this year. And he comes from a football background and basically the summation of the interview we did with him after the games he basically just said hey the volume I'm just not I wasn't prepared for the volume but I think my ass I think the volume comes with time right so when you first start the biggest mistake people make is they come in they think oh I'm gonna do this class workout.

Oh, but I'm going to do more now because the class workout isn't good enough. And don't get me wrong. Like if you're going to the games, it's probably right. But it doesn't mean like you do it tomorrow, right? You slowly work into it. I'm going to do class workouts for the next couple of months. And then maybe I'm going to start adding stuff here and then there. And then after a while, after like two or three years,

you're at the volume that a games athlete would normally compete at but the mistake most people make is they put volume over intensity and then they get injured um did you did did you do that oh yeah i mean yeah i haven't we all at some point uh guys when i'm sitting here looking at riverside fm my software for the podcast i'm noticing that jacob's voice is out of sync with his face um if you guys see that let me know i'm curious how that looks on youtube so savon so let's let's talk about it so why don't we get along what what did you do the first year at the games that made us not great friends? We can fix our friendship now because I like you now. But let's talk about why you don't like Jacob Heppner. There is a presupposition that I did something in that statement, that it was me.

I don't know what it was. Let's just talk about it. We were in the because i honestly don't remember it to be quite like bits and pieces we were you just had an athlete briefing okay so 2014 games yeah uh it was in carson i don't remember the year probably 2014 and um i was filming the behind the scenes and i walk around like i'm holier than now and anyone who gets to talk to me is lucky to talk to me. And sticking the camera in people's faces and expecting them to accommodate me. Sure. And I walked over to you and you were – I remember exactly where we were.

There was that tent. I remember exactly where there was that tent. I don't know if you guys were getting fitted for those 512 vests or what you guys were being fitted for. But it's a fucking scene, right? And I was talking to you. Shit, now I got an echo. And I was talking to you, and I thought we were hitting it off, hitting it off, hitting it off, and then you just cut me off abruptly. And I was like, this motherfucker. So I think what what happened and I'm going to clarify this right now. Yeah. I could care less. I have friends with people that have, I've done them wrong. They've done me wrong.

So we can be friends and we can have a good dude's coffee next time we hang out or just spit it out because it doesn't taste that good. Oh, Josh, I drink good dudes every podcast, Josh. All right. So I think what happened is I had gotten married the day before. Okay. And you had asked me a very similar question. You had asked Kalipa concerning having sex during the games week. That would be inappropriate.

I would never ask something like that. Yeah, you're so wrong. during the games week. That would be inappropriate. I would never ask something like that. Yeah, you're so wrong. So unfortunately, me being like, my personal beliefs, I had waited for marriage.

And so I had not had sex until marriage. And so, you know, like I had been married for 70, 48 hours, 72 hours. And then I got asked a question like that and I just wasn't prepared for it. Yeah. And then I probably came off like a, who knows how I came off. Obviously I made you upset or whatever the case was.

It wasn't, um, it was 51% my fault because I did walk around there just like expecting, like, I mean, I'd not consciously just in hindsight when I think about it. You know what I mean? When I think about it, I'm like, holy shit. I walked around like I fucking own the place. But yeah, you didn't do anything. I wouldn't say you weren't like – just the conversation was just over so abrupt. Wow, that's an amazing backstory.

Yeah. So now – And how did you know and how did you know that um i was mad at you i would talk shit about you on the josh and matt podcast or like how did you know oh i mean i don't remember i think you brought my name so i listened to it i enjoy listening to i enjoy listening to you guys talk um and uh so when i drive to drive to boxing i listen to it usually and uh i think you had briefly mentioned it and i was like oh well next time i get in a podcast with savon i'm gonna'm going to bring it up. And I was like, we're

going to bury the hatchet. We're going to get past it. And then we will not bury the hatchet. We will not bury the hatchet. We'll bury it after September 18th. We can bury it then. Well, so then I'll tell you. So then I was being hostile towards you on Instagram in the last probably like six months. And then something happened in me about a month or two ago. I thought, you know what? I'm going to just start being nice to Jacob. I'm not comfortable needling him anymore. And so I started making some nice posts on your Instagram. I don't know if you noticed a change in my temperament. Well, I can't comment or tag you back. You don't let me tag you on anything. Well, it's not that I don't let you. I'm fucking shadow man to fuck. Dave is just telling me this morning. He's like, dude, you're enemy number one. No one can tag you. I posted something 12 hours ago. I have 100,000 followers almost. I posted something 12 hours ago.

It has 55 views. Hey, so that's why I created a separate Instagram for firearms because I was tired of getting shadow banned by the powers to be. They didn't like me shooting guns in a safe fashion. And I talked to Daveave about it too i was like dave like can you explain to me like you did you create a separate account just for that he was like yeah kind of sorta and so i did the same thing because i was tired of it also um i had that in my notes here i appreciate you bringing that up you're a good dude hey so that makes sense why you got married so fast yeah yeah i mean yeah there's an obvious good reason for that right

so maybe if i would have waited till after the games maybe i would uh i would have done better what's the rocky line like stay away from women rocket and make your legs weak like maybe i should have waited but who cares so so you um go to the crossfit games You have a run-in with the cameraman. So, okay, so you start doing CrossFit, and your wife sees you go through this transformation. She sees you basically find this. And did she think it was dangerous at all? Was she, like, concerned? No, not as dangerous as boxing.

Right. But, no, she never thought it was dangerous i mean at first she probably thought it was a time waste but she probably wouldn't tell me until she realized hey he's been to the games if he can make a he can make somewhat of a living off this or supplement his income more and now it's a lifestyle now of course when does that happen when when you start um when that starts creeping in? So the first year you went to the games is 2014. At that point, like we talked to these people who are just starting CrossFit, and they just love CrossFit, so that's why they're doing it.

But at some point, people start to think, okay, I need to start like figuring out how I'm going to make money doing it. Do you remember what year that was and how that crept into you? Yeah. I don't really recall. So I had a full-time job up until like 2017. So to be honest, like three or four years, maybe 2019. So for the most part of my career, I had a full-time job, but I was doing things on the side. But to be honest, Yvonne, I think it comes down to your mindset.

But to be honest, I think it comes down to your mindset. I think most people, no, I'm going to say most, caveat most, most people in our sport are not athletes, are not very business savvy. And it's actually somewhat good if you are. So guys like Matt, I love because he knows what he's doing. And he knows how to turn himself into a business and a brand. Unfortunately, most games athletes, and this isn't a bad thing, And he knows how to turn himself into a business and a brand. Unfortunately, most games athletes, and this isn't a bad thing, just a difference of opinion. Most games athletes don't know how to do that or they have a manager do that for them.

Whereas I never had a manager. I've done it all myself and I learned and made mistakes along the way, whether it was starting companies or doing things of that nature. Do you really think Matt is that savvy? And the reason why I ask is because he does a podcast with me. And so many people have told me, even my own fucking mom has told me, is he out of his fucking mind doing a podcast with you? I mean, I've seen, I've seen Reddit, Savan. I do not go to Reddit and a good Christian boyan I do not go to Reddit And a good Christian boy like yourself should never go to Reddit either Hey, but if you have a good idea And you put it on Reddit

You will know if it's a good idea Because everyone and their mother will tell you it's good or bad So it's a great place to get an opinion Man, it's a cesspool Every once in a while my good friends will send me a link To the rare thread that pops up about me I'm like, dude, I will never go to that fucking orgy of heathens. Hey, there will be a Reddit post, probably a Reddit thread that will say,

Jacob Hetmer went on Savad's podcast. What do you guys think about this? Do you think Hetmer agrees with something? It's going to happen. If not, I'll create it myself just to get comments. Oh, it is gross. And has life been pretty smooth is kansas a good place have you lived a pretty charmed life yeah kansas is nice man it's uh uh it has uh it's been

wonderful right so it's really cheap out here right so land is next to nothing compared to what you guys have to pay in california uh land life's slower you're right people wave at you i wave at everyone i drive by i have people that stop in front of my house. They have tire issues. I'll go out there and help them. It's just life's to me. Life's better. Um, out here, just the people are nicer and the people care about you more. It's not like a rat race all the time. Is your barn insulated? Yes. Correct. And how cold does it get outside of the barn there? The coldest? So we've got two propane heaters in there. So, I mean, we have a pretty temperamental winter. It's not like we're Michigan or Wisconsin. We'll get snow, but it won't stay for more than like two weeks at a time. So it'll get below zero, but not for very long.

But the barn heats up quick. I mean, it's insulated. i've got two big heaters in there so it's not it's not bad um how much did it cost to build the barn i mean i know it's a never-ending project probably but just roughly yeah so roughly uh if we take out all the equipment because the equipment's been purchased over years right the infrastructure itself was around 167k uh and that's a bathroom, electrical, the foundation and the walls, everything, the windows. Yep. And then we added the only thing we did.

Permits, permits, permits, California, someone, I get no permit. There's the best part is. Okay.

So. Oh my God. This is where people might start hating me. I don't like big government, right? I don't like people telling me what to do. And I have a, Oh my God. I called them back for months until they kept getting pissy and sending me letters. So I finally had them come out and look at it, and my property taxes were going to go up. But yeah, it was about $167,000 to $175,000. So when I moved into my house in Santa Cruz, California, my house is built on a slab.

And the people who sold me the house told me that they had completely rebuilt the house basically from the bottom up, including all the plumbing. rebuilt the house basically from the bottom up, including all the plumbing. Well, what they didn't replace was a 50 foot section of iron casting pipe that connects the three bathrooms in my house together. And that collapsed. And so I had to pay a hundred thousand dollars to have like all my floors lifted up and to have that pipe replaced and reconnected. And then, um, and then I built a fence around my house and albeit it's an insane fence with three electrical gates that was another hundred thousand dollars so i got i got my three bathrooms working in a fence around my house for more expensive than your entire fucking barn and no permits mine oh yeah and i had permits galore oh and and and when they

and when the city came to give me a permit for fixing that that that pipe that cast iron pipe they're like oh we have they count the number of sinks you have in your house or water lines you have in your house and if it's more than what's allotted you have to pay a fine and and i had i had to pay like 3200 in fines because i had too many sinks in my house i'm just like this this is nuts. Yeah. Thoroughly, that's the beauty of Kansas. I'll find you some land, Savant. I'll send you some land.

You can move out here. You can build whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Shoot off your back deck, whatever you want to do, and no one's going to complain. What will you do if you have to go to the bathroom during the middle of this podcast? You're parking in the parking lot of a strip club.

Where would you pee? I don't know. I don't have to go to the bathroom, so I'm good for right now. Anywhere you want? I mean, if it's my property, I just pee wherever I want, but I'm right next to a freeway,

so it might be a little bit weird. Do your parents live close to you? Two hours. Both of our parents live about two hours away. Okay. Why did you pick a piece of land so far away from them? I mean, my personal opinion, my parents raised me in such a way that I'm not meant to just be with my parents the rest of my life. I got married to my wife. The importance of that is now I'm going to go off and make my own life with my wife. I don't want to depend upon my parents. I don't need to ask them for money or

live on their land. Some people do, and that's totally fine, but that's not the way I was raised. I was raised to go off and start a settlement of my own or start my own family and do my own thing. They're up here this weekend hanging out with me. So they're close enough to get here, but it's not like I don't need I don't need to, to be with my parents after I get married. You're, uh, you're 31. When I was 34, I still lived at home. I moved out when I was 34. I mean, I was in and out my whole life, but Armenians, Armenians never move out. I should have never moved out. If I would have it my way, I'd have my mom move in with me. And you know what? Like when we have our house built and the property, and I have this small house ready, I will have my parents move in because I want to spend that time with my parents.

But I think a child is meant to leave off and start and do their own thing. I agree. I agree. And the bird does have to be kicked out of the nest. Absolutely. There's a huge list. And I was kicked out many times between the age of 16 and 34. I just found my way back. Just fell right back in the nest. So you're on a path to having babies. Correct. Yeah, that is definitely something we have on the path.

Obviously, kudos to the guys like Mayer, who has four kids and can still compete at the highest level. Like that dude is a monster for doing that. I couldn't personally do that. Just my personal opinion is when I have kids, that's going to be the focus of my life. And I don't have time to do a lot of other things, including competing. Um, but we have to finish building this house first and then kids are definitely on the horizon. And, and this house that you're building, and that's where I was going

with it. Um, how will you have bedrooms for kids built into it? That's how I found out how many kids my wife wanted to have. She's like, Hey, I have these three bedrooms for our three kids. And I'm like, Oh, good to know. Now we're having three kids. Is that really true story? True story. She goes, I, so I think when you build a house, when you build a house, someone has to care a lot and someone has to care. Not at all. Like, or else you're going to butt heads and fight the whole time. Right? So she does all the planning. she's designed the house with the company i don't do anything and so she came back with the architecture layout and she's like hey here are the plans of the house and i'm like why are there three bedrooms right here it's like a big

old jack and jill bathroom she's like oh that's our kids bedroom and like oh cool okay we're having three kids that's awesome uh it's similar to like that, I guess with, um, similar like that in my family too. Like my kids would never eat dinner if it was, if it was up to me, if my wife didn't just take control of that, like they would just eat like a rotisserie chicken and a, like a bag of olives every night for dinner. But she like actually makes them dinner and takes care of all of us. Or like, I don't think we'd ever own a house if she didn't go to the bank and figure all that shit out we would still just be like living in a van somewhere uh pitching for heppner's cover charge so he can use the bathroom nick of time

gave five dollars it's closed guys it's closed, guys. It's closed. I love it. Okay, so you have this CrossFit career. Tell me about all these businesses. Brian, do you have any questions for him? Of course, but you're not. I know. I have to go pee.

I just need 30 seconds. But when I come back, we're going to discuss Hepner, the businessman, and all the things he's got going. The apps. We're going to talk about Olivia. And then we'll save the best for last. And we'll talk about this fight that's never going to happen in Florida. Don't say that! Don't put that out there! Because they're never going to find anyone to fight Thor.

Brian, the show's yours for 30 seconds. Don't fuck it up. Don't hurt his feelings and start talking to him about his ranking. Hey, I'm fine with the 20th place. What are we talking about? Well, it's probably a little bit after I manipulate from this game's results.

That was something that we did a week ago. And in a lot of the cases, I just realized that this year was really important for a lot of the athletes still competing because outliers in terms of the way the season was out of necessity, some out of someone's preference. And so the results last the last two years were weird like uh one thing i've i've said before which you probably know this or know something of this but in 2019 19 of the top 20 athletes then 10 men and 10 women who made the

top 10 had either matched or exceeded their previous best finishers. And it's like, that's, I'm pretty sure the top 10 men and top 10 women from any other year, that would not be the case. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Was this year the first year that you were up at? Since you started competing that you didn't?

First year, first year, I did not like it not gonna lie really yeah i mean i coached i coached uh we had two teenagers and one adaptive athlete and so man you're so busy i mean from that perspective it was very heartwarming and a blessing to be up there with them and to watch them succeed and do what they want to do but man you are running around like a chicken with your head with them and to watch them succeed and do what they want to do. But man, you are running around with like a chicken with your head cut off and you're so busy. And then, you know, like add to it,

you know, you're, you're putting with sponsors, you're dealing with sponsors, you're doing, you're meeting people. You can't go anywhere without getting attacked with photos, which don't get me wrong.

It's wonderful. Like, but like, it's just, it's just a long week. I came back from that week and i just sat on the couch and i was like i don't want to be talked to i just want to sit here and stare at a wall watch paint dry and just like become introverted for like a day right that's how i felt too that's

how i felt too i didn't i wasn't i was just doing podcasts i didn't uh realize you were coaching anyone other than olivia yep yep we had three athletes there. Who was it? Did you say two teenagers and one masters? No. Two teenagers, one adaptive. So we had Olivia in the 1415. Then we had Emily Meyer who was in the 1415. I believe she got seven in that division.

And then we had Logan Aldridge who took third in the upper extremity adaptive. That's awesome. Yeah. Logan's your athlete. Yeah yeah he's come out here and spent some time with us it's been awesome holy shit that's amazing i was gonna ask you what what part is missing on your guy but i know him so i know what he's a so he actually showed up he was like driving to colorado it's like a chance coincidence. He was driving to Colorado for his, um, I believe

now fiance got a job in Colorado and he just drove through Kansas city, of course, as you go through Colorado and he just like randomly messaged me on Instagram, like, Hey, I'm driving through Kansas city. Can I come hang out? And I happened to check it, had him come to the bar and we hung out the whole afternoon, worked out, shot some guns. Of course we shot guns one handed because wouldn't be fair if I used both and went out to dinner and just really connected and i really enjoyed hanging out he's just a he's just good guy um did uh is he waiting till he's married too uh you know i didn't ask that question it's not normally a question that comes up in a conversation i'll ask hey logan message me

give me that answer and so when he came out there, that was it. He liked you. He liked your training method and he's like, Hey, will you get in my corner? Yep. Yep. He didn't, to be honest, like, did you know who he was? Yeah. So he was on, I knew who he was. So that's why I was like, yeah, definitely come to my property, hang out. I knew he was a good guy. I had never met him in person and, uh, he just didn't really have, he didn't really have a whole lot of people in his corner helping him out. And so, um, he, he kept telling me that over dinner and I was like, look, man, like if

you want me to get in your corner, I have a whole team of people that can help you, whether it's social media or body work, or just, you know, like at the games, I was legitimately the guy running around getting gummy bears or getting things for people. I was the, you know, the errand boy for it because I have a better, I have a coach who's a better coach than me. And it was really cool to bring him on our team and augment him with our staff and have him do so well. It was fun to watch. And it's eye-opening. I've not, I've not been a part of the adaptive community.

So it's eye-opening to be able to watch that for sure. It really is eye-opening, right? He's a part of the adaptive community. So it's eyeopening to be able to watch that for sure. It really is eyeopening, right? He's a freak of nature. And honestly, like the games this year, I about, I think I broke down about one time. It was just, uh, for the award ceremony, um, the, in a neuromuscular women, right? So neuromuscular, I'm going to define this bad, but just forgive me if you're listening. Neuromuscular to me means you have something degenerative in your muscles that allow you to either fire or grow muscle or

something of that nature, right? So most of these people have their full appendages for that matter. And they brought the females out there and the third place female couldn't actually get on the box, right? The third place box, she couldn't stand on it. And so they had to sit her down and, uh, they got the first place girl up there in the second place. Girl will stay on the box and third place is sitting on, sitting on her box. And then to be able to see them, like take a second and they all sat down next to her, which is really cool. Like, I think out of all the decisions that the CrossFit community HQ has made, they've made bad ones and they've made good ones. I think that was the best decision they ever made was getting the

adaptive in there was just like great decision because it's so cool to see people who don't have a freaking arm can still climb a rope faster than me. Like it's absolutely bonkers to watch. And it's going to make people in that category. Don't feel like a victim. It's going to make them feel like they're empowered to go out and do something for themselves. And that's awesome.

It was really cool. One of the, I can't remember what it was. It might've been the last day they were competing. So the Thursday morning I was watching from, uh, from my hotel room because I was also writing the script for the ceremonies that day. And it's just these at least distractions.

And I think I was talking to Salva, who was watching at home. And he had the teams that were pulled up. And there was basically the same number of people watching the adaptive athletes on the YouTube stream for them as they were watching the team competition. people watching the adaptive athletes on the youtube stream for them as they were watching the team competition the uh comment section for the in for the adaptive athletes just people i think who haven't had a chance to see them before the only event that there there's a big representation has been wadapalooza and it's not it's not that's it's behind the paywall of flow elite for all these people were like oh my gosh same thing as that runners with with one arm and and all these incredible accomplishments they were doing the adaptive athletes are the adaptive athletes are the new nasty girls. When nasty girls video came out in 2007 or 8, everyone's like, holy shit, how are these girls doing this? Now the girls are doing shit that no one can do, whether you're a man, girl or fucking gorilla. So they just lump the girls and boys up together.

doing stuff that some of the fittest people in the world outside of the community can't do. And so they're sort of the new spark. That being said, I want to say two more things about what you said, Jacob. One, I just want you to know that as sweet as your story was, if Travis Mayer was there, he would have helped that girl onto the box. So I was behind, I was behind a gate. I know you're Travis Mayer, but just so you know, they actually tried to help her up. Who was in charge? One of the directors of the adaptive was trying to help her up and she just couldn't do it he just had to sit her down she was shaking so much it was it was really sad but at the same time pretty heartwarming to watch that the outcome so he humiliated her by trying to help her all right well that story took a mean turn and um and the second thing is is like and i and i've and I really want to emphasize this, the CrossFit Games are so unique in terms of being there in Madison or Carson or wherever you have them.

Because of those people, the crowd is better. That crowd is nothing like any other crowd. It's basically a love-in. It's a gathering of the tribes. Don't get yourself all twisted if you're watching this shit at home and thinking it's just about finding the fittest, it really is a gathering of the tribes. And it's some of the nicest people you ever meet in the world.

And, and that would be lost if it was just a bunch of fucking meat heads, 18 to 35 competing there. Instead, we have like moms, dads, kids, it's a family affair.

And, uh, it's dope. They only got three divisions of adaptive, lower, upper, and neuromuscular. I think to my understanding, according to Logan, there's a total of eight that can be defined, right? And so hopefully in your,

and they only had five in each division. So in total, there were only three times, two times five. There were only like 30 athletes there pretty much, adaptive wise. So hopefully in years to come, and I'm sure they're doing it, they're going to add more. And that's going to be hard, right,

to have movement standards for all those. But I think it's going to be a good decision. Well, they have... The reason this year was based on open representation and they wanted to, I think, maybe have an opportunity for growth. And I do think they have a really good team supporting them to help with exactly that with how can we actually have this competition so that it makes sense and it's understandable and it's fair for what the specific limitations

are in each separate category. Absolutely. I brought, I brought up those two reasons. And this ties into what Brian's saying about the open category, because like, like I'm not like, I don't give a fuck that they're adaptive athletes,

like in that they need a place to compete. If there's not enough of them, fuck them. Like then they shouldn't get to compete. What I'm saying is, is, and I know you guys, no one was disagreeing with me.

What I'm saying is they actually bring all sorts of value it's not like oh look there's the poor handicapped people i don't give a fuck about the poor handicapped people or the poor disabled people it's actually that they add fucking value they spark fucking the other fat asses and lazy people and people who don't believe in themselves to fucking get off the couch like yo shit if they could do it we can do it and they make the crowd better so it's it is not coming from a place of uh sympathy or feeling like i have to do it or like trying to be a do-gooder like there's a tangible contribution this community brings to our to like tangible to to the community that that's vital that's vital big contributors. Michael Wright, another $5 for a one drink minimum for Jacob.

Thank you, Michael. I appreciate it. And Brian Trey Bunn, $5 towards Brian's new computer. Thank you. Thank you. Brian, did you buy your new computer on credit or did you use a credit card? Perhaps, yeah. Good job, buddy. new computer on credit or did you use a credit card perhaps yeah good job buddy um so uh this this emily and logan didn't get as much play on your instagram jacob as this uh miss olivia chick

who seems like she's been with you since she was nine years old as i dug through your instagram i saw a picture of the two of you from when she was nine. Tell me your history with her. Yeah. So, um, she has, uh, an older sister who Ellie cursed at her, who went to the games three years as a teenager. And so, um, Olivia first showed up when Ellie, so Ellie, Olivia went to our gym, uh, our affiliate and I started noticing there, even though they're young girls, it's like, man, these girls are really good. Um, and so I invited him to come train at my barn. This was like seven years ago, six years ago. And so at the time it was mainly meant for let's get Ellie ready to go to the games, right. For three years in a row. But her younger sister, Olivia,

just tagged along, which I was okay with. So instead of like a barbell, she had a PVC pipe for snatches, whatever the case was. And so I've known her since she was nine. She was showing up every night in my barn, working out, doing something, obviously scaling it. But look where that got you now. And what happened to her sister? Does she still compete? No, she went to college. She went to college and she's down to college in Arkansas and uh decided not to compete anymore which i don't blame her i mean

it's a lot of it's a lot of work so and and so how old is olivia now 15 and um you all there was you know we were there was a joke about how not not a joke. There was an observation, obviously, that I'm sure you're aware of that she snatched more than any female at the CrossFit 2021 CrossFit Games this year as a 15-year-old. She out-snatched Tia Toomey. To clarify, right, it was their third event on the first day, and Tia snatched event 12 on day three or four. Well, it was Saturday, so it was the third day of competition, but it was fourth day of games. Yeah. So not really a good comparison. You know, could Tia have snatched 203?

Probably on the first day, probably more. But yes, if you look at the straight numbers, she did snatch more than every individual female, every female there, and also every male in the 14 and 15 year old category amazing and i see things as black and white so i don't really care about how much work tia or brooke or whoever how much work they did i care so two or two and i think we looked up what the national record was what is it i think it's below 202 jacob i don't think that's right actually i think that three of the 14 15 year old boys had snatched more oh prove me wrong brian prove me wrong i'm waiting i'm looking at the game say right now but can someone oh brian traybon thank you i think i

already said your name uh can someone who hasn't donated money look up and see what the national record is for an American 15-year-old girl in the snatch? I think it's 20 pounds over the national record. How much did they snatch, Brian? 14, 15-year-old boys. What was the three heavy ones? Gustavo Puch from Brazil, 237. Isaiah Weber, who was second overall in that division.

And Ty Jenkins, who won the division at 215. You guys tied at 200. Dang, Brian. So I can't say that anymore. You just took that away from me. But I'm okay with that. That's fine. Isn't that amazing?

Listen to this closely, people. Isn't that amazing? Or maybe it's just normal that 15 year old boys are out snatching the fittest women in the world i want you guys all to think about that i want to leave that with you just leave that with you for a second okay so you have this amazing athlete named olivia how did she end up placing she won oh yeah she won the thing i told her if she didn't win she wasn't coming back and training in the barn so stakes were high and would she train outside or at a different gym

oh i mean i probably let her come back in after a week of outside training um all right people have said that it's more go ahead brian i won't forget my question i just wanted to ask um because she the second first first first first first 16 but she had a 16th and an eighth and then you know i was wondering what you thought about that or if you he beat her for that 16th he beat her hey so she's the opposite of me brian so what is jacob heppner good at when he competed? Running, right? I was great at running. But if you asked me to snatch heavy, I was going to get a 16th, right, out of like 16 people.

And so she's the complete opposite of me. So she got a 16th on the long distance run, right? So a 3.7 mile run. She's never been a great runner. And then she got an 8 in the swimming. And so her monostructural work is going to take some some working this year to improve her before she goes into the 16 and 17 it's definitely we already sat down and talked about it and put up a plan for it because she doesn't need to snatch more right i need to

make sure you don't take as many points on a run are you gonna are you gonna run her to death this year she was already running uh yesterday she was in here running about three miles on the runner she was already running a bunch yesterday so does she like it does she like it she'll get to like it i don't know if she likes it but she's gonna have to get used to it she's gonna be doing it for a whole year my my was following along and it's kind of that she likes training yeah so she was after and we have a fun time right it comes down to the environment right you have to have a fun environment especially if you have a 14 or 15 year old girl like you you can't you got to have taylor swift popping on the speakers you got to be having a fun time

and uh she's been in the gym every day this week literally doing all the individual women workouts from the games so that's been fun to watch she's beat me multiple times this week literally doing all the individual women workouts from the games so that's been fun to watch she's beat me multiple times this week so do you ever feel like you push her harder like too hard like like you want it more than she does you want it for her more than she wants it for her or do you catch yourself having to like uh reel yourself back or like really be careful you don't like break her spirit or? No, I think one thing we did with Ellie when she went to the games, her older sister, and Olivia was there training with her, is we made sure to push them to a breaking point a few times for the games in such a way that wasn't the goal, but the idea was to break them down. that wasn't the goal, but the idea was to break them down. Right. And I wanted them to realize that this isn't life or death. You can cry out there. That's okay. But I want you to put forth

your full effort. And I think when she went into the games this year, the first event was 16. Right. And so if you had the expectation of winning it, if I had the expectation, I'm going to win this thing. And I get a 16 out of 20 in the first event, most girls, most guys would break down and be like, I can't do this. I can't do this. I mean, some athletes, that's how they work, right? So a good example, I love Noah to death, but Noah is, is a guy who has to place well, and he gets better as he plays. He just keeps, he'll roll. And that's a dangerous competitor um and so olivia is different uh we trained her in such a way that i know she got 16th but you're gonna crush the rest of these you're gonna get a first a second a first a second maybe an eighth throughout the rest of it i don't

need you to win everything because that's how we've trained her and so i i was i was i was looking forward to it this year was uh at when she won on Thursday, I was an emotional wreck because I'm like – to me, it's like a younger sister. Watching your younger sister sacrifice for six, seven years of your life, of her life, and come out and put up with me every single night and be able to see her on top of the podium made my freaking year. I'm good for the rest of the year. I guess my point what well two questions what event number was the run number one oh so kudos to her so what a great experience she got to stay what a great experience she got and then the second question is i didn't mean so that's what i meant your relationship it's not just that she's your younger sister

but do you ever confuse her that she's you like she has yeah like like you know what i mean you're a games athlete and like like you would confuse her like you fuse as one and like oh shit like this isn't me this is a different person like we do that in relationships with people we're close with all the time you know like what the fuck's wrong with you i wouldn't have done that when she when she first showed up i had a hard time uh tailoring that back but because she's been around so long around me for the last six years i do treat her as she's me if i mean that's who she is in my mind and i don't think she would have it any different like i expect you to win that honestly i expect more from her than i expected from me i never podiumed i wasn't i was never going to be a podium contender and i could have told you that when i expect more from her than i expected from me i never podiumed i wasn't a

i was never going to be a podium contender and i could have told you that when i competed but she she can be she is now at least in her division how did you parlay your this is going to come out wrong how did you parlay your lack of success into so much success? How did, how are you at the top of the food pyramid in terms of sort of CrossFit icons and go-to people like, you know, YouTube channels to visit, Instagrams to visit? How did you become such a, you know, there's people, like there's people in Brian's top 20, like there's people, 10 people above you in Brian's top 20 list that haven't parlayed their CrossFit success into what you parlayed yours into. That's a good question. That's a perfect way of putting it.

And I'm okay with that. Like I could have told you I was never going to be a podium athlete. Um, but there's guys on the podium who no one knows and everyone else the fraser he might sponsor you can beat josh oh that would be crazy that would be crazy hey hey hey josh hey so uh matt sponsored me because he told me i I have a much better chance at knocking you out. Oh man. You know, I decided, I kind of realized early on, um, and it kind of occurred over time as an athlete. And I hope I say this all the time, but I hope other athletes hear this and Matt has done a good job.

And Kalipa has done a, Kalipa in my mind has done the best job at it, is you can't compete forever. Yeah, you can compete in masters if you so choose, but like you can't compete forever. And at some point you're either going to have to go back and get a job unless you're Frazier, which you set yourself up for, you know, whatever his joke is like 20 years of his life or whatever. Like you have to set yourself up for success when you're done because as an athlete that day could come tomorrow if i break my leg or you know god forbid i test positive for a substance i didn't know because i kissed my girlfriend or whatever um like yeah be careful be careful people you have to set yourself up for success. And so early on, I realized I might not ever become a podium athlete,

become an athlete that will stay on top of the podium, but I don't need to stand on top of the podium, become a respected name in the sport and to make a living off the sport. You just have to be smart in how you brand things, smart in the relationships you cultivate and honestly just treat everyone like, without fans, the sport wouldn't exist. So spend time with the people that make this sport exist.

Barry Hopper, thanks for the five bucks. To the psychological investigators, you guys are off the top. Someone said, when are you going to come out with a new Matt Savant? You call it the Matt Savant Josh podcast. You have it all fucking backwards. It josh matt and seven but um this must be foreplay for them they're hearing the three of us talk and everyone's getting all excited um well do you know who colton mertens is yeah yeah he's uh i don't know i've never met him personally but he's up in the midwest he's like up in iowa i believe it would be like – I don't think he knows what he has.

Why do you say that? Because you put yourself out there and let the world see you and decide who wants to be attracted to you and bring you into their daily media perspective or whatever. People invite you into their life right um through the media you you produce that guy works on a fucking pig farm with 15 000 pigs he's got a fucking mullet he's five foot four he has a beautiful body and he works out in a fucking like he he's more likely to get bitten by a spider in that area that he works out and die than he is to make it out alive. I mean, and, and there's, and there's such crazy potential there. And I just wonder, uh, what did we, but, but, but, you know, like, and even as I asked him, I said, so we interviewed him midweek and I said,

so are you making any friends? And he goes, or are you talking to the guys? And he goes, I didn't come here to make friends. He goes, I'm sure. No, no. He goes, I'm trying not to, I go, have you met any of the guys? He goes, I'm come here to make friends he goes i'm no no he goes i'm trying not to i go have you met any of the guys he goes i'm trying not to why not i don't know but he said i didn't come here to make friends but but then we we interviewed him again later and he goes we asked him have you made any friends he goes yeah i did it was on accident and he names off some guys like roy gamboa and some dudes he's hanging out with. But what advice do you have to guys like this who he didn't – I think he finished towards the bottom. Yeah, he was like 35th. He was 30-something.

I mean, Brian can look it up, I guess. And the truth is that he could have – please don't treat Brian like a secretary. And the truth is that he probably could have won one of the events. He had a really, really bad cramp in the thruster... Wall walk. Wall walk. Yeah.

I mean, like noticeable cramp. Like he was moving all... He was fucked up. What advice do you have to someone like him to parlay his unique... character? Characteristics? Yeah. People, like... his unique um character characteristics yeah people like in my mind what i've done from day one is people want to see who you really are social media and instagram and it is so easy to put up a picture and be like oh life's dandy life's wonderful look at me and look at this like

people want to see the real and rawness inside of a games athlete's life. It's not fun. It's not always sunshines and rainbows. And you fail a lot. You fail a lot of lifts. You quit workouts. You blow up. Whatever the case may be, people want to see that.

And that's what I've done from day one is I'm not afraid to show you that I'm a conservative from Kansas that does a CrossFit games out there that, that hates snatching and likes to run. I'm not afraid to show you who I am and let you into my life. If you want to be a part of that, great. If you don't, no harm, no foul. I'm not gonna be upset with you. But people sometimes feel the need to be friends with everybody and to make sure that everyone likes you. Not everyone's going to like you. Not everyone's going to appreciate you and that's okay. But you just have to show the realness and rawness and unique side of your life. Colton's got a great, unique life. You're right. Like he's from Iowa. He's got a beautiful main, he's five foot four and he works at a pig farm. Dude, with those four items, you should already have a Facebook show at that point. Like that would be, I would watch that show in a heartbeat. But you just got to be able to show that.

So don't just show your Corky after he gets quaffed. Show him when he's being yelled at after he chewed up a new pair of tennis shoes. Show you kicking him. Yeah, yeah. Show him shitting in the living room. It's not all good. When's the last time your dog took a shit in the house? Oh, he hasn't done it in forever.

Corgis are actually very smart dogs. They're like, they have the brain of a German shepherd and the body of a fucking hot dog. Another reason why I think people like Colton Mertens and the Chris Spielers and the Josh Bridges is because it's the David and G goliath story right yeah people love that shit i mean like remember remember when cody anderson like clean like 350 the game so i was like everyone's on their feet because you're like you didn't expect that right right great

storytelling it is um so so what's the plan for ol? Like this, this leap from teenager to elite level is massive. It is not a smooth transition. This shit that we're seeing Mallory O'Brien and Emma, Emma Carey doing and Haley Adams and Sydney. Gabriella McGowan, Sydney McAleish. McAleish. Thank you.

This is a, this is a trip. Oh my God. I wish I knew what a DKK was. Nikki Nielsen just sponsored the show with 200 DKK. I wonder if we're rich. I wonder if we can just end the show right here. What's a DKK? Call it, call it. Big love to Heppner. Thank you. How do you, is that transition doable you what how do you is that transition doable like

how do you reel her in how do you i mean because it's a massive jump right i mean i i think if we're going to just define the word massive i think it's more massive for the men than it is for the females uh i think the men i think our only hope was going to be Dallin and Dallin was close, but didn't make it right. Pepper. Um, but, uh, I think the females you've seen like three or four of them already do it. It's doable. Um, but I think for our, for our goal this year is we're going to, she's going to compete at the teenager division again, but we're going to get her to one sanctional is the idea is get you experience get you in front of a crowd get you in competing with the big girls one time this year maybe a few times uh and then the goal would be to do the same thing mallory did this year is at the age of 17 don't compete in the teenage division let's jump it and let's go straight to the games wow that's i really like that plan i wonder if she qualifies if you're going to be able to not be enticed by the fact then she would be the youngest female games competitor of all time i mean yeah if she goes through let's hypothetically say she goes the i don't even

know the want to palooza whatever the events and she does qualify then we might consider it let's pick the south american one or the one in South Africa. That'd be more realistic. We'll travel really far. We'll travel for pay to play. Sorry, South America. I know.

I know you guys have Guy in South Africa. You have Jason Smith. I'm mad respect, mad respect. Josh bridges. Can you get no detail is too small can you tell us how this fight like occurred and did he pick you because he thinks you're a pushover you're just a goofball in kansas he makes funny videos so they had i mean i think he's already told the story but i'll kind of

reach out from my side yeah don't worry about if he's told it before. He, he, you tell better stories. I'm a much better storyteller. Yes. So they had previously, obviously, you know, like Dave and Josh go back. And so Dave was being picked to fight, which would have been awesome. But let's get real. No one would have been team Dave.

It would have been team Josh and one person. And that's Dave. Cause no one's going to vote beyond Dave's team. But I would pick Dave's team. I'd be the only one person that's dave because no one's gonna vote beyond dave's team but i would pick dave's team i'd be the only one on dave's team okay good to know so it was it was josh and dave dave turned it down um i mean in my mind it's a lose-lose situation for him right he's not only not got the conditioning but he's also learning to box and like no one's gonna be on his side like Like no one's going to want to be in T except for yourself. There's a lose, lose, lose all around. And so he turned it down for a myriad of reasons, which is fine. Um, they then offered it to another male CrossFit games athlete.

Um, and that gentleman considered it highly and then decided to turn it down in an effort to go compete at the games this year instead. And then they essentially went back to Dave and was like, we need somebody who do you recommend? And he's like, call up Hefner. He usually does some stupid stuff. And so they called me up and they were like, Hey, you want to, you want to box Josh? So that was Dave's idea. I believe Dave gave a list of people he thought

would be willing to step into a ring with Josh and box. So, um, uh, they called me up. I thought it was a prank phone call. I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? I'm not going to box Josh. He's a boy crap. And then they were like, no, this is a serious thing. And so, uh, I talked to my wife about it. I was like, Hey, at that point I'd already decided I was done competing in CrossFit, but I hadn't announced it yet. So it was kind of, just kind of fell into my lap. It was kind of like, well, this is perfect timing. Uh, I'll be able to do something out of the ordinary, uh, that I would enjoy learning just for fun and, uh, try something different. And, uh, so I accepted it and, uh, we've been doing like three to four days, four days a week, like two hours a day for like the past four months. It's a lot.

And what does training look like? Is it all boxing training because your conditioning is already, already you do that? So when I first showed up, I remember thinking I'm in shape, right? Like I'm obviously in shape. Like I don't need conditioning. And the coach was like, so you think you're in shape? And I said, yeah, I don't, I just need to learn to box. And he's like, you're wrong. Like this is a different type of shape. And he was not wrong. Uh, it is a whole different ball game. And every time I talk to someone, they're like, well, how long are you fighting? And I'm like, we're fighting six threes with a one minute rest. They're like, that's a long time. And I'm like, man, if you told me to work out for 18 minutes in CrossFit, I'd be like, game on, let's do it. But boxing is a whole different ball game. Cause it's like,

I'm not just going around doing movements. I'm getting smacked in the face hypothetically. And I'm just increasing my adrenaline and my heart rate to the roof. Um, Josh told me that, um, he, uh, he's never sweat so much in any other kind of workout. He says halfway through the workout, he literally has to go take his shorts off, rinse them out, and then put on a new pair of shorts. And then he says when he's done the second time, it's the exact same way. He says it's like his shorts were sitting in a swimming pool. Yep. He's not wrong.

We already talked about that. So, like, he'll put up videos where he has, like, clean clothes on, and I'll immediately call him out. I'm like, dude, you're not even sweating. Like, don't even act like you're working hard. And he's like, dude, this is my third change of clothes. And I don't, he's correct. I have never sweated so much in my life. And do they come to you or are you going to a local boxing facility? Yes. I'm going to a local boxing facility. I'm actually, it's a low, it's an instructor in Kansas city who actually currently coaches in a crossfit gym and so i go to a crossfit gym and do most of my boxing there and then we've been doing uh weekly sparring in a ring in an actual ring inside downtown kansas city it's actually at a police academy so and did i hear you did i see one of your posts correct that

you're bringing a boxing ring into the barn? That is the goal. So we had the last month, we have the space for it. Someone has a ring and they're like, hey, we'll put it in the barn. Because I don't have access to a ring. So I was learning on a floor. Well, if you learn to play football on a huge open space without the idea of in zones and out and out of bounds, you don't, you don't, you don't play very well. And I need to learn the dimensions of a ring and how to fight in it.

Wow. That's incredible. And so, and so when it starts off, what do you do? They just show you the fighting stance and you throw ones and twos. And then they, did you know any of the numbers yet? Like if they were like throw a two, five, six, did you know how to do that? Or two, two, five, one or no, nothing. Not even in the slightest. So we showed up and it was just like, it was ground zero, man. It was like today we're going to spend two hours learning a jab, learning a one. And then tomorrow we're going to learn a cross. We're going to learn a two. And then we're going to add to a three and a four and a five and a six and

the jabs and the uppercuts. So. And the defensive positions. And did you watch any MMA or boxing before this? No, I mean, no. So now we do but beforehand i mean i'd watch it was a little conor mcgregor fight on pay-per-view i'd watch it with some people but it wasn't like i would go off and watch a boxing match but now i do because it's like hey i can watch and i can understand to a degree now what's going on and it's a chess match instead of before i'm like i don't know what's happening here have you go on youtube and do you watch like all of like

lomachenko's fights and chocolatito's fights and are you going back and watching people's fights now and being like okay and i'm mostly watching amateur fights um because that's the closest definition to what's probably going to happen i'm not going to go off and watch a counter puncher like floyd madeweather because i'm not a counter puncher. Right. And, and I doubt Josh is too. So, cause that takes time and a lot of experience. So it's mostly me learning from amateur fights. Anthony Marquez, $1.99. Sergino, Sergino, Sergino. Sergino. S-E-R-G-I-N-O. Sergino. Cheers for the graft as always, boy.

Regards, Coco Beware from the UK. I'm not sure I understand that sentence. You might have to write that again. Jacob, is there anywhere people can watch the one-on-one versus you and Bridges at the CrossFit Games? Have you seen any video footage of it? Like where can they find it and watch it at? Yeah. Oh, the CrossFit Games.

I don't know. I don't think they post it anywhere. I think someone in the comments said that the Buttery Boys. So you might check that out. That's smarter than. Thanks to them again the buttery boys uh logan let's face it logan aldridge could beat josh bridges only gotta worry about one arm man oh my goodness oh my goodness um and have you been

punched in the face yet yes and how was that it was so the first time i went in spa i mean i was nervous at first but you just get i mean i played football so i got used to just getting smacked in the head a bunch now it's a little different right there's not a face guard here and you gotta get used to being like i gotta keep my eyes open when i'm getting punched instead of like blinking and moving because i gotta be able to see things. I have seen blackness twice. I haven't been knocked out, but I've seen I've seen some dark loading screens a couple of times. They put me in a ring with some instructors that kind of worked me like a rented mule. Have you been tempted to turn your back to the fight at all?

I had one. I had I did it one time out of out of mistake. And then they quickly correctly like don't ever fucking do that again yep yep they quickly corrected me which i didn't know i mean because it's a learning process for me right i mean it's an it's a nat it's the natural reflex right um yep i i even i watch a ton of fighting and i even see the pros doing it on occasion i'll be like oh shit like you'll see a guy just turn around and run to the other side of the ring and you're like holy shit for me it was i'm stuck against the ropes how do i get out of this like i'm trying to slide left or right and try to pivot and i can't so i just

kind of step around and pivot or rotate and they were like hey you can't turn your back on people because you get injured which so learning process um have you gotten angry in there yet have you had any emotional no no no one's hit you like in a sparring and you had any emotional? No. No. No one's hit you like in a sparring and you're like, okay, you fuck fucker. And you, and you. I mean, in my mind, you're getting hit. And so you kind of feel like, oh, if Savant hits me, I want to hit him back with the same amount of same amount of intensity that definitely exists, but it's not anger. I mean, in my mind, it's like, like, it kind of goes back to what I already talked about.

Like, I'm not here to prove anything. This is not like, I'm not here to like, I'm here to beat Josh. But when I'm sparring someone else, I'm trying to learn something. I'm trying to put into practice what we're learning in the session. Like, I'm not there to hurt that person. I'm there to throw punches and bunches or try more defense or throw more combinations instead of throwing single punches or trying to slip more. Like we're trying to do something specific.

And so me getting angry at someone isn't going to improve that. When they offered you the fight, was it just like, yes, I'll take it. Or was it like, I don't know if I want to fight. When they offered me to fight, I said, I'm interested. I want to talk about money. And then we talked about that and then i said yep i'll do this because it's it's got to be scary it's something you've never done before there's someone else trying to hurt you uh but but not only that you

you're being asked to hurt someone else so like like if you're not a fighter you don't even know if you have that in you do you yeah that's a good question uh i think instinctually we all have it deep down there somewhere i think for someone like josh it might be more apparent because at some point it was his profession to to a degree correct um but i think we all have a little bit now some people it's gonna take a lot to dredge up like noah olsen's not going to take a fight in a boxing ring. You're just not going to see that. Um, because I don't think that's something that he could be capable of doing, but I mean, uh, I mean, I played football for many years. We've got it. We've got a little bit of violence in our back. And to be honest, Simone, like people have asked me, like, have you enjoyed it? And you play a contact sport for many years, whether it's football or jujitsu, whatever you

played. And then you, you stop playing, you get a regular job, you get a desktop sport for many years, whether it's football or jujitsu, whatever you played. And then you stop playing. You get a regular job. You get a desktop. You do CrossFit. And you don't get to have that, I want to say, like a violent release. And I want people to understand that it's not meant to be in a bad way. But I think it's good for some people to have that release of like, man, I get to go in and safely hit someone and to take out a little bit of aggression on something. And at the end of it, we can hug it out. We can be friends,

but it's good to have that. And I think for me, it's been actually very healthy to have that, to be like, Hey, this is really enjoyable to go into a ring, learn something new, hit somebody, get hit back. Right. And it's humbling. But at the end of it, I can be friends with this person. It's okay. But it's good to have that just ability to take it out on somebody have a little bit of violence i'm surprised you're not doing jujitsu not for any other reason but it just seems like something that would be up your alley like you have this physical capacity you there's stuff you want to do um have you have you thought about getting into it i did for a summer uh going into music during summer during college and going to like

my uh fresh uh junior sophomore year or something like that very enjoyable i didn't do any stand-up it was all uh grappling which i thoroughly enjoyed you think you'll get back into that i don't know i mean in my mind everything in my life is a time value of money right it's uh is this worth my time how much much can I make from this? What else could I be doing that could substitute this and it can make more money or further myself more. So if there was a reason to do jujitsu, absolutely. If there's not, it'd be very hard pressed for me to spend the time to do that.

I think that's the perfect mindset for anyone to have who's between the ages of 30 and 40 years old, by the way. You have 30s up until ages of 30 and 40 years old by the way you have 30s up until you're 30 you learn all this shit then from when you're 30 to 40 you better grind you better grind um i saw on your instagram that you have you have multiple businesses tell me about that yeah so uh you kind of forget but I grew up very creative and had an entrepreneurial background as a kid. I'm going to grow fruit, sell it on the side of the street for people to come by. I'm going to grow fruit or vegetables, whatever the case may be. And then you go to college, and I feel like sometimes our education system tends to make you feel like you have to fit into a box.

And it wasn't until about a couple of ago i decided you know what i've got the capability to do different things to start different companies i'd have a passion for it for helping people and doing different things and i decided to jump full into it so yeah i currently own a few different companies one's a programming company that i run you know most you know like hard work pays off for, for Matt, you know, pretty similar to that. What's the name of yours? Grit. Grit. Okay. Yep. And then, um, I own a, uh, online nutrition company, um, uh, functional eating. And then the other three companies are, uh, app based companies. Uh, one company, uh, I created, and we actually just recently got acquired. And so I actually got acquired by a different company. And so I'm working within a larger

company now that acquired my previous app. And what was the app? The app was a program delivery service app. So it's a way of delivering programming. So for instance, right, so Matt uses a program to deliver his hard work pays off program to his online clients. And I had worked with a solution for that one that was different than the current solutions that existed in our space. Wow. Isn't that kind of the goal to be acquired? Yeah. Yeah. In my mind, I mean, it depends on who you are, right? Some people might want to just create companies and run them for the rest of their lives My idea was to create companies get acquired. I don't want to run them for the rest of my life But if I have to that's fine

Um, so yeah, that was the goal for for most of the companies. So you're pretty stoked on that Yep. Yep. So i'm stoked. I'm stoked about this year. I mean we have a lot of things going on I love staying super busy Uh, it's the only way to do it and And is there anything else in that list of businesses? Yeah, the other business, I actually co-own a company with Scott Panchik, good friend of mine. I got tired of losing to him. So I was like, let's start a company together. And so Scott and I and a couple other guys co-founded a company called Stream Fitness.

And we essentially took the idea of, remember when COVID hit? And hopefully it doesn't come back. Thank you, Delta. Remember when COVID originally hit and every gym took their programming online for Zoom? Yeah. We took Zoom, reinvented it, and put it inside the functional fitness space. Clocks in there, timers in there. You have a coach apartment. So essentially we took Zoom and made it inside the functional fitness space clocks in their timers in there. You have a coach apartment. So essentially we took zoom and made it for the functional fitness space.

And what's the name of that stream fitness stream, like a river stream. Wow. Um, and, and I, I think, um, lockdowns will be here forever. So you're stoked. Uh, I mean, I'm, I mean, for that perspective, it helps my company, but at the same time, no, I hate it. So that's a great, that's a great t-shirt lockdown forever. You want to be locked down forever, move to Ontario, Canada. You want to be locked down forever, move to Sydney, Australia. We have the most beautiful outside environment in the world, but here we'll keep you inside

away from it. Go ahead. Here's give me another Reddit post off of this conversation right here good good dallent dallent dallent pepper man i didn't even think about that you're right he was gonna make the jump and he has the i mean i don't know him but man he got a a man body on that boy that's a that's a brick shithouse such a man body that i saw him about two three years ago and became friends with him hadn't seen him in so long saw him at the games didn't recognize him and down's like jacob like i've talked to you for like 20 minutes you don't even know who i am and like, dude, I didn't realize how big you are.

That's what it came down to. Wow. I really wanted, he, he kind of won my heart in the, uh, semifinals. I was kind of hoping he made it. You like him,

Brian? Yeah, it is. I actually spoke to him at the games as an athlete in the teenage division that took second 17 as well. It was, uh, oh my gosh,

what is his name? David Bradley. Thank you. Thank you. Um, found out about him a couple of years ago cause his sister used to compete in the either regionals or sanctionals or both. Yep.

He's a good athlete for sure. Um, I, you, you had a clip. This is just on a side note before I talk about your, uh, tactical games. I saw you in your Instagram somewhere. You had a clip. I don't know if you've a clip this is just on a side note before i talk about your uh tactical games i saw you you in your instagram somewhere you had a clip i don't know if you've ever noticed this but

it's um you being like introduced at the crossfit games or it's talk about the crossfit games and there's a picture of you and it has your stats at the bottom and it says you're five feet tall did you ever notice that oh yeah maybe that's why josh was okay boxing me he thought i was five foot tall you know'm 5'7 Do you think you're going to win that boxing match? Of course I'm going to win that boxing match Do you think it'll go the distance? I mean

It only takes one punch to not go the distance I think it would be No one wants to see a fight Where you get knocked out the first round You want to see us go the distance Everyone wants to see that And so you get knocked out the first round you want to see us go the distance everyone wants to see that uh and so hopefully it does but if it doesn't who knows or would you rather see get to the last round yeah you get the best of both decision yeah no one likes a decision at the end

this last weekend i can't remember the fight it was two guys were fighting a guy got his mouthpiece knocked out and he bent over to pick it up when he when he shouldn't have and um and the other guy kept punching him in the face and shit while he was trying to pick up his mouthpiece it's things like that that are kind of the intangibles that if you're in there could just get really weird right what i say what i call I call them? Untangibles? Intangibles? Thank you, Brian. No, it's good. It's good to if I can improve my mastery over the English language in the podcast. Kill two birds with one stone.

Have you thought about that? Like if things like that happen or like if like, God forbid, like what if you killed him? What is this? A million dollar baby? what if you punch him i mean it's it's obviously a dangerous sport i mean if this was if they had asked me to do mma or wrestling or mma i would have said a hard no like that's that's way too much for me but i mean yeah i mean there's obviously some dangerous boxing. We are boxing, no headgear, 16 ounce gloves. So there is some danger to that. But I mean, it's better than no headgear and four ounce MMA gloves and knees and elbows. Right. So there's some danger to it. That's the risk you take. Obviously, both Josh and myself want to win and want to beat the other person.

But at the same time, I know for a fact that they weren't going to ask certain athletes to box Josh because of the emotional. They didn't want to bring emotion to the field, right? They weren't going to ask someone who hate Josh or Josh hates because. Oh, I think they did. Oh, I think they did. You know who they asked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh, you're tracking. Um, and, uh, yeah, I don't want to, I don't think you need to bring emotion into it. It's already dangerous enough. And so it's not like I'm out to kill Josh now. Am I out to win?

Well, absolutely. But it's not like I'm out to hurt Josh and to, and to injure him and put him out in a body bag. What will you guys, what will the weight be? So that's been discussed. Actually the funny part was it wasn't discussed when we signed the contract. Details, details. It wasn't even like, I was like, isn't this important? Like you brought up after. So the funny part is they,

they asked me to fight Josh. They know what I weigh. It's on the game's website. I'm five foot, right, Savon? Yes. And I walk around at 195, 200. Josh walks around at like 165, 170. I didn't realize how much less than he weighed. Go ahead and say it.

You didn't realize how tiny he was. Yeah, I didn't realize how much of a hobbit he is from the Shire. But I don't know. We're going to come down to a weight when it gets closer. I mean, right now, I'm already dropping weight naturally. I mean, I don't lift as much. We're boxing two hours a day. Like what he mentioned, I'm sweating like a freaking pig.

And so i'm already dropping weight naturally as we go along and how strong could you be i mean your main training partner is a 15 year old girl exactly she already beats me at snatch anyway so i can only go up uh the salt gun i really want to get a salt gun another side topic not worth the podcast but it's my own selfish inquisition i I saw you shoot that in the house. I want to get a salt gun. Can you shoot those in the house or do they make a mess? I noticed you shot someone in the house with it.

You can do it, but it makes a mess. I mean, it's mostly for like flies and bugs and stuff. But outside. Fair game. Okay. Tactical games. You invited Dave to the you made a post inviting dave to the tactical games and he responded with some ptsd response um what did you think about his response i mean look like if i ask you to do somethingan, and you have a reason that is your personal reason, who am I to say that that reason is wrong?

Right. It's not my place to speak on someone's behalf. And I never will do that. So he's got his own reason. Now, I still told him after we got to do the workout, I'm still going to show up and shoot with Dave this year. After no boxing and I knocked Josh out, I'm going to show up at a Romulus. We're going to shoot some guns. We're going to have a good old good old-fashioned time um but yeah if he doesn't want to show up i'm not gonna sit here and make fun of him for it he doesn't have to show up right i'll do that and then and then and then the good thing is is that it really just brought a lot of attention to the tactical games is what i thought i thought the net outcome was good it's good that it got discussed it's good that i mean he showed it a ton of respect obviously he wasn't disrespectful at all he put it all on himself i thought it was a very well

thought out response it was in my mind it was a very logical response it was a response i can be like that's something i would say and i can get behind that um are they going to find someone to fight this subhuman yeah this whatever you want to call this giant man, this unbelievable character. Didn't you guys talk about it on the last podcast? They said they found someone, but I don't believe it. I'm looking for a second source. I mean, I heard the same thing you heard. Okay. I heard the same thing you heard from this probably the same source or the sources manager.

And we'll see what happens i mean i've been told uh they're gonna try and find someone to fight they're gonna fight in march um so if you paid for your pay-per-view ticket for september it'll cover you in march um and so they're gonna you guys are still gonna fight fight in September and that will be Thor's. Theoretically, that will be Thor's first fight. So you're saying a store will fight in September, but he will fight Eddie Hall again in March. Correct. That's my understanding. Yeah.

Wow. Do you think you'll ever fight again? Or is it too soon to say? I mean, it comes back to time value of money, right? If someone asked me, if I was like, oh, I'm going to do amateur boxing and win $500 per fight. Hell no, you're not going to see me do that. But if someone was like, hey, you box Josh Bridges and you lost or you won, how about you box, I don't know, someone else, Meryl Olsen, and this is how much money is in the pot, I might consider it. But I think what's going to happen from this is I'm going to finish boxing. I've always enjoyed doing things that are outside of the realm of CrossFit. I've always been a firm believer in the capstone of the pyramid of taking your fitness outside of the gym and putting it to use.

And so I have a feeling I'm going to finish boxing. Like disc golf, right? I mean, I have a- Oh, please tell me no jacob please but hey but that being said you really should get some disc golf um for your property i mean you have 50 acres you might as well use it um but i'm gonna come out there i'm gonna come out there i'm gonna design some oh game on game on but i think after we're done boxing probably something else will pop up

I'm going to get asked to do something that's Out of the ordinary Hey how about you learn how to I don't know Sew for time That's a bad example You know what I'm trying to say I like it it's a good example

But you know Dave's an avid sewer Did you know that I know he makes leather products I imagine sewing is a part of that So I can totally see that. Yeah, but he'll make anything. Backpacks, belts, clothes, he'll make anything. Thor boxing, will you keep watching boxing?

Will you keep watching fighting when you're done? You know what? I don't watch football now because of years of putting into it. I don't enjoy watching it. To me, it's a waste of my time. So after I'm done boxing, if I continue to box, probably if I'm not, I'm really not, I, I got other areas to put my time into. I only have a finite amount of it. It's quite a theme that we have going. Um, do you watch, do you watch any sports? Nope. Interesting. Okay. Well, I don't watch football. I think it's dumb. I don't watch

baseball. I think it's dumb. I don't watch basketball. I don't watch football i think it's dumb i don't watch baseball i think it's dumb i don't watch basketball i don't think basketball is dumb i just don't watch it um but i used to watch a lot of football and you're right it is a complete waste of time but i do really really really enjoy mma but but i'm also going to um make that part blend that in with the podcast and start getting fighters on you're you're a your second, your second fighter that we've had on. Oh, oh, oh, amateur with a lowercase a and a big asterisk behind it. It says just started. We, um, we took a step down with you though, because we had a pro fighter on last time. I heard you. I didn't you watch, uh, didn't you have Josh on with him too? Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, that was cool. It was fun it was fun yeah um you were a man whose time is extremely valuable and you value your time a lot so the hour and 55 minutes you gave us

for the fans and the 17 minutes you gave us for the setup um in all seriousness i really really appreciate it uh good luck um with your fight that part wasn't true. And thanks. Thanks, Jacob. This was great. Yeah, anytime. You ever need anything, you know how to get a hold of me. And I don't know if we buried the hatchet,

but we definitely dug the hole. We threw the hatchet in there. Maybe the next time you come on, we could throw some dirt on it. After the fight, when we're on the same team, we can definitely bury the hatchet. When I'm on the Hef we can definitely we can definitely bury the hatchet when i'm on the

hepner bandwagon after the fight yeah when you bandwagon behind me then we can definitely bury the hatchet have a drink or two and talk about the good old times if you come to aromas i will that's 11 miles from my house i'll definitely come out and see you i'll be out there this fall i guarantee it because i'm going to come out and learn from dave and just shoot the ball it'll be fun to be hanging out with someone like that where most of the time he was in a different position. It'll be fun to hang out with him as someone that's not competing. That'll be enjoyable.

Ryan, would you like to say anything to Jacob Heppner? No, this is all. Or would you just watch him into the strip club? Enjoy your time there. They're opening up slowly, I think, too. Time to get going Mike homier thanks you all rock