The Sevan Podcast - Bob Forrest - Rock N Roll Super Star | DNA 4 Addiction

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

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Yeah, look at that compound there. Yes. You do this every morning at 7 a.m.? Every morning, 7 a.m. So amazing. Like the devil knows hell, I know Bobby well. Well enough to tell you about his 67 smells. Well enough to tell you he's hella swella fella.

Yeah. That was one of my favorite superficial parts of a documentary that's far from superficial. Bob and the Monster. I watched that last night. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Congratulations, dude, on being alive and living a full life and contributing to society on such a high level and using your experience to give back well thanks you know there's a thing called the 27 club are you familiar with this

uh no tell me okay it's all this you know like people lived on the edge they all died at 27 jim morrison janice joplin kurt cobain but he was alive when I was thinking I was in the 27 Club. So once the mythology of sad and tragic death, whether it's Rimbaud or, you know, Jim Morrison, the people that follow have that history and that knowledge that, oh yeah yeah you burn out and and die at a glorious death and everybody remembers you and so i remember thinking i'm gonna die this year when i was 27 because you're just living you're so high and you're so drunk and you're so narcissistic and you live in a bubble with no brown m&ms yeah and you just in the in the back of your mind, that references a joke that a friend of mine played on concert promoters. So, you know, as Van Halen, this friend of mine's band,

became bigger and bigger and bigger, that they just would play games about how far you could push the envelope of being a pretentious rock star. And so they put in a rider that there couldn't be any brown M&Ms in their dressing room. It was actually written in their rider, which is a list of things that the band needs to play a concert. And it was just a joke to see if anybody would do it. And they literally did it. That's how stupid the record music business is. So Van Halen puts this thing in their writer it's a joke no brown m&ms in the dressing room eddie and david lee don't like brown m&m so you can't have any brown m&ms around them so the concert promoters would literally have some

pa some person that worked the concert taking all the brown m&ms out of the jar it was a joke it was a joke and that's awesome he did it let me ask you this really quick i've heard i've heard two stars and you know and what what the fuck do i know i i live in my i never leave my house in santa cruz california but two stories i've heard is like with ellen and uh ellen degeneres and madonna i both heard had things written that no one's allowed to make eye contact with yeah i think i think people put that in there but i always think i don't know about alan but if madonna put it in there it's all about a sense of humor and trying to keep sane in a sane world so you're trying to pull we we just got crazier and crazier just in things that we would

do to to it really the boredom of touring to kind of occupy your interest right so we would do this thing in the morning where we all usually had breakfast in either a hotel or if you're traveling at some diner truck stop and we would put all the ingredients that were on the table, like salt, pepper, ketchup, Tabasco sauce, hot sauce, maybe some cigarette hashish back in the day when you could smoke in restaurants, and mix it all together in a cocktail and have it in a cup. And then everybody would throw $20 bills down

and see if anybody had the guts to you drink it so so it's mostly i think it's a sense of humor i don't think it's as pretentious as it as it lives on it right you know what i mean it was just something you go insane i mean i luckily survived it all i didn't become a part of the 27 Club. And years later, my manager was retiring. And he said, hey, there's a bunch of boxes here. This is when I was sober in the late 90s. And he said, there's a bunch of boxes here. Do you want them? And I said, yeah, send them over to my house. And a bunch of boxes of my whole career came over to my house. a bunch of boxes of my whole career came over to my house and i went through it one day and there was a tour list that one tour we did in i think 1990 it was 87 shows in 93 days wow we played 87

concerts in 93 days to put put it into context like and we didn't play just for like an hour we played for like two hours so you're talking about you're addicted to heroin and alcohol and you're emotionally just fried you don't know who you are anymore everybody kisses your ass and you're told you're the greatest thing since sliced bread constantly because all the people around you work for you right and and you're an infant terrible, is what I call it. Like, you're just a child just living in an adult world where everything is catered to you.

And you're playing 87 times in 93 days in different cities, in Chicago, in Cleveland, in New York, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in Tampa, Florida. And you're just riding and driving and playing and sitting in hotel rooms. And you become insane. There's no doubt about it that you become insane. Like not insane in a like, you know, holdable way or put in a psych ward, but insane in that reality doesn't exist anymore.

And I have a theory, actually, it's a friend of mine, Paul's theory, but I definitely believe it. A lot of these deaths in the EDM movement, the Avicii suicide, there's been several of the younger DJs have killed themselves, died of drugs. It's also in the hip-hop community, and we can talk about that. But specifically in the EDM community, which is electronic dance music, for those that don't know, they go from time zone to time zone. Like, Avicii would play three shows in 24 hours across the world. He'd play in Tokyo, then he'd get on his jet, he'd fly to Ibiza, play,

then he'd go to London. And within 24 hours, he's played in, in, you know, three different time zones, eight, you know,

eight time zones apart. Your central nervous system and your psyche and your sense of self is not supposed to do that. And three different cooks for his MDMA. I think he brought it along with him. But that toll that no one else experiences that,

I think that has a lot to do with the sanity of musicians. I mean, when you look at Taylor Swift, she's like a machine. She's like a rogue. My friends and I are just in awe of her. Her tour schedule, you're referencing. It's so grueling. Yeah, and you're talking about in Brazil when the little fan died from heat exhaustion. You're talking about, it's 110.

I lived in Rio de Janeiro. It's like 110 degrees and 100% humidity. And Taylor Swift is playing for two and a half hours, three nights and five days. So, and everybody has these, you know, you see it in commercial airline pilots. You see a high rate of addiction. You see a high rate of addiction in nurses and doctors.

Anywhere there's intense work over long periods of time, you know, 12, 14 hours, 20 hours. And musicians' lives, my friend John from Warren, his name is Jane Elaine in real life. I was trying to get him to not tour and to stay home and just to like be sober. And he said, but I love playing. I told him, you don't need the money. And he goes, yeah, but I love playing. And he said, you know what, Bob? I don't think they pay us for the hour we play i think they pay us for the 23 hours we do nothing but suffer wow wow you know what i mean because and uh you know and he he had a real a lot of my friends that wrote hit songs or one hit song have a real it's like an albatross around their neck. I had one friend

tell me he wished he never wrote it. And I was like, well, I wish I did. You can sign the publishing over to me. You know what I mean? So, so let me share with people just really quick, just to give them an idea. Uh, I watched a movie last night called Bob and the monsters. It's a documentary about, uh, your life. Incredible documentary. There's testimonials from Courtney Love, CEO of Capitol Records, singer from the Circle Jerks, Jane's Addiction, Fishbone, members of the Chili Peppers, including Flea and Anthony. Anthony says you're the best friend he's ever had. You took him in when he was homeless. There's a set in him and Flea when they were homeless.

You got lyrics in their songs. The Weirdos, you were the lead singer for Thelonious Monster and the Writer, CEO of Epitaph Records, Butthole Surfers, Stone Temple Pilots, Guns N' Roses, Dr. Drew, and the list goes on and on of people, guests who were in the movie who talked about the wild, wild life you lived.

And at some point when you got sober is when I'm, I consider you got your PhD in life. You live this really, really intense, uh, life. Um, and you experienced the, the love of a tremendous family, the hardships that families go through. And then, uh, you became obsessed, uh, with music and, uh, then you became obsessed with music and then you became obsessed with drugs and now you're obsessed with helping people, which you've also been equally successful at in all of the organizations you've been a part of and started, there's scenes of you setting up chairs and setting up buildings where people are going to get rehabilitation to actually doing the counseling to, you know, being a star on celebrity rehab with Dr. Drew. So I just wanted to lay that groundwork.

Yeah. I think, I think that, yeah, maybe we didn't do a preamble. So I just see my life. That's fine. We can get back into it. I see my life as I am constantly curious. I don't know why I was blessed with curiosity, but I'm constantly curious. I'm curious about apps. I was this morning obsessed with headsets. Like it's just that some people call it OCD or obsessive compulsive disorder, personality disorder. I just think it's a passion for life and knowledge

you know they label everything nowadays everything has got a label on it right the um but i was a i was a you know kind of an upper middle class kid you know post post-war born in 1961 to a pretty successful family and um but you're the youngest child loved by three sisters and a mom and a dad yeah and and yeah and i i could bask in the glory of my father's success whereas my sisters kind of suffered along the rise right so then i you know 12 years after my youngest sister and but it was an isolated life because my dad had kind of semi-retired when i was born and we lived in palm springs and it was like there was only old people out there and so i read books and i listened to music and i had these older sisters that had the records of the day. Like I'm one of the few people, I was 12 years old when Ziggy Stardust by David Bowie come out.

My sister bought it the week it came out. I listened to David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust the week it came out. And there's not many 12 year olds did. I mean, people listen to it 30 years later, discovering this great thing. I remember when it happened, when you're listening to this visionary poet, amazing artist, describe a world. It was just everything. It was just mesmerizing and the beach boys that I always talk about like pet sounds was a record my sister didn't really like because it didn't have a lot of hits but for me it just struck me and I would listen to it with headphones in my room and just think like how do they do this how how is there so I could tell there was so many instruments on it you know what I mean you're talking about you know at that time in such a small world with three television channels and, you know, basically just pop hits with singers and acoustic guitar. How did Brian Wilson do this thing?

with it because I had nothing but time on my hands. We lived on a golf course that the only time things were really happening is on the weekends when people would come down to golf and kids would come down to vacation. But during the weekdays, it was very desolate kind of world that I lived in. So records and books and movies and TV were like everything to me. So this guy, Troy Martin says pet sounds is great with mushrooms yeah it's great with anything you know that's another thing i was gonna tell you all my nicknames so i have a bunch of nicknames i'm robert o'neill forrest my legal name i'm bob forrest to most people i'm bobby buckskin to a lot of my friends and the buckskin term everybody asks like what why are you bobby buckskin and there are certain drugs that don't

fit people like my psyche doesn't fit pot and uh but everyone i knew pete our leader of our band pete white smoked pot all the time dicks the guitar player smoked pot anthony and flea smoked pot all the time so i was around pot all the time and anytime i would just smoke a couple of hits of pot i would just like it would do something to me like a mushroom experience, like a hallucinatory experience. And I tended to like to take my clothes off and I would just be naked. You know, this is like in 1982, 83. You could kind of be naked back then. I don't think you can be naked.

Well, in the state of Oregon, it's legal. It's even legal around kids in the state of Oregon. You're allowed to expose your, I was just reading yesterday, you're allowed to expose yourself to kids in the state of Oregon as long as you don't appear to be having sexual gratification from it.

Oh, wow. How did they recognize that? The police out there looking. Fuck nuts. So I take my clothes off, usually on a tour bus or something, and I just be naked or sometimes, you know, around the house or at this pool at a hotel or something. And people didn't really object to it that much.

People were so much more accepting of other people's trips as long as it didn't cause them any trouble, right? Right, right. cause them any trouble right right right and now everybody's so overly sensitive that somebody looking sideways at you causes them an emotion so then you can't look sideways at people right and uh but it was a freer time so everybody's buckskin like buck naked i started getting called bobby buckskin anthony till this day, just calls me Bucky. But anyways, yeah, mushrooms, pot's hard for me. Mushrooms a little bit easier. You know, there's a traditional thing.

The eagles did it, go to Joshua Tree and take mushrooms and watch the sun come up. I've done that dozens of times. And you know what's strange about drug experiences is the first one is always the best uh-huh and then you're trying to repeat it right that's the problem of addicts i could be talking most people they've probably gone to joshua tree and taken mushrooms once or twice i did it 36 times and 34 times it was was just nothing. It was just like, well, it's cold. What time is it? Is the sun coming up? Right. Right. When's this going to be over? When are we driving back? I want to go get some heroin. And I lived in Joshua tree is why it's a very dear, sacred place to me.

But how long did you live there? About off and on about five years when i was doing the tv show i lived out there that was a good thing because i was kind of isolated because being on tv was nothing like tv fame was nothing like music fame like music fame is you know music fans that know of your band and your genre tv is like like everyone, everyone that, you know, they've either watched it or seen it or seen an episode or obsessed with it. And so that kind of fame, I really had never experienced before.

And then I started to have sympathy for people who, you know, have that kind of fame from music, like your Chili Peppers or Nirvana or that kind of fame from music like your chili peppers or nirvana or that kind of thing like i know kind of what they went through i experienced it when i was like 43 years old i remember i was at walmart in yucca valley shopping and people would just kind of follow you around i was good about it i would stop and say i know yeah it Yeah, it's me. And Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew. And then usually they just want a picture or whatever. And, uh, and I had to go to the bathroom, like number two, and I was in the Walmart in Yucca Valley, go to the bathroom. And a guy was talking to me through the door while you're going to the

bathroom. Wow. That's like, I think Eminem has a song like that where he talks about someone who followed him into the bathroom while he's taking a shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, Whoa, like whoa like dude i'll be out in a minute like i'm not going anywhere like you know you have to guide people sometimes i think our education system's lacking like if somebody's in the bathroom there's no way out just wait in the hallway they're coming out like you don't have to talk to them under the door of the toilet bob uh yesterday my well my

well stopped working and i can't get it fixed to this morning i get my water from a well yeah so this morning i had to go out in the front yard and take a shit i just wanted i just had to get that off my chest yeah yeah i'm big on pooping i think poop is a very important thing i couldn't shit in the toilet because we don't have any water i was like all right i guess i'm just gonna go the dog followed me out there he's looking at me like what are you doing dude i'm gonna give you a little hint so where i live in joshua tree i live in a town called pioneer town you know how you when you live in a town you say the most famous town that's around it because nobody knows where you know santa cruz is kind of famous i used to love that pier there the santa cruz boardwalk yeah but um i was there a couple

days ago in santa cruz you probably live in an outside town yes yes i do yes right yes yes yeah i lived in pioneer town which we had well water too i can give me a hint about that our our problem wasn't pumping the pump always worked and got it into the tank the problem was the lines from the tank to the house would freeze right because it's really cold up there people think the desert like yeah it's hot in summer it's fucking cold in the winter so um you can get a bucket because i've had this oh i should have shit in the bucket wow top of the a bucket off the top of the big tank. You open it up on the top. Get a bucket out.

You pour it in the top of the toilet. And then you can. Because here's the thing. Santa Cruz, pretty cold in the winter, but not really like Pioneertown. Oh, it was beautiful. I actually enjoyed it this morning. Well, that's a good one. But if it's 32 degrees, you're not pooping outside.

I learned this in the rural livings of pioneer town i could have just shit in the bucket and thrown it away though i should have done that or just lay a piece of paper down some paper towels down there and shit in the bucket and then walk over the trash and dump it out i didn't think i just shit in the lawn on the front lawn right so we we're all conscious of bowel movements in my circle of friends and sometimes when there's a good one somebody will say you got to see this and flea had one that just stood straight up out of the water. And it's like, wow, he is the healthiest man on the face of the earth. Bob helped me in Las Encinas in Pasadena with Dr. Drew.

Bob is a great man. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's where I work, too. So I commute 100 miles every day from Joshua Tree to Las Encinas. I had it down pat. I had my pooping spot down pat too, 76th Station at Rosemead and the 210 Freeway. While you were driving in, you would always stop at that gas station? Yeah, because I had to leave by 7.20, 7.25 to get to work.

I had a 9 a.m. group and I lived 100 miles away. But it was mostly flowing traffic into L.A. You know that L.A. I know we make a joke about the Saturday Night Live thing. Like literally it changes your life, the traffic. I think we have the third worst traffic in the United States behind New York and Chicago. Like it changes your life. We all went, my whole family.

I have seven people in my family. It's kind of crazy. So we all went to see the Rolling Stones. Also understand this too, for seven people to go to the Rolling Stones, it's not easy. So it's pretty expensive. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we went to the Rolling Stones. It's at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood by the LAX airport. And I live in Claremont, Man manly empire and to go there right now would take an hour and 40 minutes because it's rush hour traffic on a week what year was that that you went this is the other night oh okay i was gonna say i saw a football game the other day that state i'd never seen a structure like sofi stadium i couldn't even believe i couldn't even

believe it well i've been there two times with our kids. One to see BTS, you know, the great K-pop band, and once to see the Chili Peppers play. And my wife hadn't been there, and she walked in, and she was just like, this is more like an airport than it is like a stadium. It was unbelievable. It is like an airport. It is too big. And nobody knows where you're supposed to go. Yeah, yeah. It's truly unbelievable. It's an architectural miracle.

I was blown away. Yeah, you're thinking like, what is holding that up if there's a 7.6 earthquake? I always think shit like that. But anyways. And when the airplanes fly over, Bob, I was in there and a giant plane flew over. And you look and it's like you're in a movie set. You can't even believe it. It's that close.

Yeah. And the roof is glass or you can see through the roof. Yeah. So it's about an hour and 40 right now. We got home in 37 minutes at 11 o'clock at night on us on a Sunday night. I mean, that was fast. And so you think about like Anthony Flea lives in Beverly Hills. Anthony lives in Malibu.

Like, we don't see each other because it's impossible to see each other. So we see each other at Lakers games or go eat or at kids' events or whatever. But it's really hard. And yet it's only if there's regular traffic like in any other town like in santa cruz it's like 30 minutes to get to their house but in real life la it's an hour and a half you know what i mean so it changes your friendships it changes your work schedule it changes your parenting yeah i'm lucky enough to be able to work from home most of the time and be with my kids. But I have friends that live here. They don't get home until 8 o'clock at night. If they leave their work at 6, 6.30 on the west side of L.A.,

they don't get home until 8 o'clock at night. Sometimes their little ones are already asleep. They don't even see their kids, you know, all week. Do you homeschool your kids? No, they go to different schools. I did during COVID. That's a whole long, interesting story. So one of the things about, I think me and my friends, which is a song actually, um, we don't, we always question authority, always question authority.

And it's funny that in our lifetime has been's been this part of society that doesn't question authority at all. Like, it's strange to live. I feel like I'm a dinosaur living amongst the next generation that's just going to obey the computers. Do you know what I mean? Yep. your caller or what your listener was talking about was, it was, we're preaching freedom of choice, freedom for a bondage of self, freedom of drug addiction, freedom of materialism and attachment, freedom to appreciate the oak trees and to be grateful to be alive. And when you're a slave to technology and what other people say

about you on the internet, you're incapable of being free. You know what I mean? I try to teach my kids that. So during COVID, since I have an organization called Don't Die, I was very familiar with the CDC mortality listings, right? I started looking at COVID deaths and it started because for one thing, when COVID first was hit, like in that March, Dr. Drew told me with your liver problem, he's my private doctor or whatever. So he said, with your liver problems and your history of smoking, I don't know, you should stay home because I think this could be really bad for you. And when Dr. Drew tells you something could be really bad for you, you usually should listen, right? Because he's not, you know, he's not usually overly dramatic about things. He goes, I don't know, we got to see more of what this

thing is. But for you, you got to stay home. And when he said with my liver and my smoking history that I got to stay home, I took it literally. So then I was obsessed like I am and curious about the death rates. And you started to see the trends of who was dying, right? And it was tended to be older or unhealthier people and no children, literally no children. More children, I know this is gonna cause some trouble and i i don't want to cause trouble for you if you know you can't listen kovat's one of my favorite listen kovat's one of my favorite subjects i don't take any injections my kids have never had a vaccine i i was out there like fuck you like i ain't doing it i know who i'm

talking to everyone in my uh by the way the, the one good thing about this audience, I'll tell you, Bob, is the CrossFit audience is about personal accountability and personal responsibility. Perfect. And so we really try to walk that line. Let me tell you why I opened my school and why the state of California came down on my head. California came down on my head. So more children had been murdered by their parents than had died of COVID at a certain point. Yeah. I mean, I love facts that shock people.

Right. More children have been murdered by their parents or a family or loved one or a known person than had died of COVID. Yet the schools were closed. Yeah. And I was like, fuck all y''all so we have a guest house on our property I talked to some parents that were beside themselves you know it changed everybody's lives you know at a certain point we had to go back to work but our kids couldn't go back to school it was insanity so I opened a school thinking like me and five or six of my punk rock brother and sisterhood people will want their kids to be here. No masks, you know, drop them off at my house. We hired two teachers. They were wearing masks.

I just told everyone what I believe. If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you don't, don't. Right, right, right. Exactly. Yep. We had three teachers. Two teachers chose to wear masks mask, wear a mask. If you don't, don't. Right, right, right. Exactly. Yep. We had three teachers. Two teachers chose to wear masks.

A third did not. Only one of the original eight kids, the parents said, well, we'd feel better if you wore a mask. And I said, I get it. I get it. No problem. And I made sure that he wore his mask. you know, that he wore his mask. And, and eventually they came to see that, you know, he'd been here for months and, and, you know, most of it was outside, I believe in this thing called the Sudbury approach to learning, which is kids learn when they learn. Curious kids will

learn faster. That's why you say those are good kids because they're curious kids. And others need to be helped and made to be curious or made to understand that this is a valuable thing you want to teach them. So the Sudbury School. So a lot of it was outside. We have a creek in our property. There's like oak trees and trails all through here. There's bears. There's mountain lions. There's just a lot of fun stuff here.

And slowly word of mouth got out at a certain point we had two tracks five days a week kids were coming and going parents were dropping off i live on a dirt road up in the mountains like it was like grand central that's awesome that's awesome and it was all kinds of people it was like uber liberals and conservative trumpers and everybody and it was this beautiful place where we were all kind of rallying together for our kids and not listening to the idiocracy of the state right which is my theme and message my whole life um and one day some woman came walking up the driveway. My mother-in-law was in the, in the property out in front. And he said, is Robert Forrest here? And, and my mother-in-law is from Iran.

And she came running in and said, I think the government is here. Did one of the parents turn you in? Did one of the parents turn you in? No, a teacher that was going to be a fourth teacher that was going to be higher. And then we decided not to. You know, people do what they got to do. You know, somebody had to call the state. You're exactly zeroing in on.

I'm not mad at. I never get mad at people for acting fearfully or foolishly. Because I do it. My friend, everybody does it. When you're scared, you do dumb things. When you're resentful, you do dumb things. When you're filled with hate and rage, you do dumb things. Right. Right. And so the goal is to like, be conscious of your hate, be conscious of your rage, be figuring out yourself. And I learned this working in drug treatment. There are certain clients that would really piss you off. Right. And, and they're either rude or entitled or, or, you know, oblivious to the consequences of their use on their families or whatever,

whatever, whatever denial, whatever triggers the therapist. Right. And my triggers are people that don't take things seriously. Because I believe music is a serious thing without music. Life shouldn't exist, wouldn't be tolerable. Art is important. Children are important. Politics is unimportant. Oh, that's interesting. That's why people have issues with comedians because when their jokes touch something that they take seriously. They get really bad.

I like that model. Yeah. So it's called transference and counter transference. So most people don't like entitled assholes, but since I am one, I don't have any problem. Right, right, right, right. So I had all the musicians and all the people people didn't like or that were rude. And then my other staff members would have the people that didn't really seem to care. And you'd ask them why they're here. And that became the millennial generation. We talking about 2000 2004 2005 the millennials start coming to rehab and i just find

their attitude shocking like what what what are you passionate about i don't know you don't know what you're passionate about what do you care about i don't know what kind of music do you like everything like just this neutral nothingness i started and that irritated me so i would give them to the other therapists and then i had all the entitled rude argumentative don't believe in god people and and this you know i learned it that. So when they told me I couldn't have a school, I had to close the school. I was like, we'll see about that. And at a certain point, the police would come here and take down the parents license plate numbers. Like, you can't make this shit up. Wow.

Happened to me. And I asked the sheriff, like, what are you going to do? It's a bunch of middle class parents in Claremont. Are you going to arrest them for having their kids go to a school that doesn't wear masks yeah you know what i mean it was insane hey and the supervisor came out and said you're not closing your school you know you can't do this and i said i'm fucking doing it and i was wanting them to arrest me kind of to fight the righteous fight about how stupid this closing of the schools was but they wouldn't they just started fining me 180 a day oh wow

yeah they'll either get you one way or another did they relinquish those fines eventually yeah i never paid them so eventually i fought fire with fire i started getting the media out here ktla and kt tv took local news stories and i was saying yes it's a bunch of kids and i started educating the public about the low child death rate there was literally i don't even know that there's a thousand kids died of covid i don't i honestly i don't believe any kids died from COVID. I don't believe how they were categorized. Yeah, they categorized it. Right. Yeah.

But you can agree that a lot of 75-year-olds did. Yeah. Average age of death was 78 years old with four or more comorbidities. People who are 30 years complicit in their death sitting around smoking cigarettes, drinking Coca-Cola. Like, hey, that's your choice. Yeah, that's your choice yeah that's that's a choice yeah and see we don't like the consequence of our choices which in addiction um and whether we call it addiction is even a subject for debate right now and in in a certain amount of the seems overly anxious, sensitive, obsessive, right? So there's a genetic basis for this.

And there's actual historic basis for it. If you're attuned to the environment, like I hear things that other people don't hear, right? I see things like, whoa, what's going on? I just know when the lady when I saw the lady from the state outside my front window, I knew who she was. I knew she thought the state had ultimate authority and she was a big shot. All she is a fucking bureaucrat who drives around in a state owned vehicle, tormenting people. And she likes it because she believes in the state.

She was now about to meet somebody who doesn't believe in the state. Right. And so, um, turned out. Oh, it's right about her, but her supervisor didn't even like her.

She was unfireable. That's another thing in California. Like you can't fire a teacher. You can't fire a state employee. You can't even like her. She was unfireable. That's another thing in California. You can't fire a teacher. You can't fire a state employee. You can't fire anybody here. So you just have to tolerate their craziness. And that gets crazier and crazier. This woman was so rude.

She probably could have gotten me to close the school to say, because at that point, we had like 30 kids at my house all day long. I wasn't really crazy about it. Right, right. I just wanted my kids to be able to play with other kids. I didn't know how to start a university. If she would have been nicer and more honest and more kind instead of a bureaucrat asshole from the state of California, I probably would have closed the school.

Right? a bureaucrat asshole from the state of California, I probably would have closed the school. Right. But she's just, she walked just her, the way her gate of her walk was so repulsive to me. Like she thought she owned my house. Right, right, right, right. Because she works for the state of California, District 4. So anyways, I knew from the attunement and being able to read people what I'm up against and that triggered me like, okay, Bobby, here's your match. And I thought, you know, the state and the court level, I had to hire a lawyer, I had to hire somebody to help me try to license the thing. In the end, my wife and I were sitting here and we would spend all this money to like license the school and and she was like you sure you want to do this and i was like

no i don't want to do it but this woman is driving me nuts that's when you understand that your trauma your stuff is causing you to do something irrational and something you don't want to do. Right. Which, you know, I like, I like the idea of like, you know, we could pack up and leave at any time. If you're going to really start a school like we did in Los Angeles and music school, um, uh, the, you know, me and my friends, um, it's a responsibility for the rest of our lives like my my drummer and co-founder of my band is at the school every day like five days a week the still the school's still in existence no there's another school we started in the in the 90s flea and anthony and pete weiss and Tree and, you know, people in my band,

people in the Chili Peppers started music school because they cut music out of the LA Unified School District. And Flea had this idea, like, we should start a music school and then embarrass the LA Unified. And, you know, seemed like a good idea at the time. It led to a lifelong commitment to this education of kids in Los Angeles here, like 800 students a year. Yeah, go ahead. Bob, I want to, I want to throw this in here real quick because it's an idea I have. I know, I know we're talking about something serious, but there's a company that you're involved with.

I met you through Sarah Cox and they have a product called DNA for addiction. And I had this idea when Sarah was telling me about it, I thought it would be fun because I I'm surrounded by people who just exercise, exercise, exercise, right? Right. So one of the, one of the stars in our community is a guy named Taylor self. And I thought it would be cool to make a little pilot show, just these little YouTube shows, 10 minute shows where we send him the kit and he tests to see if, uh, if where he is on the, I guess, I'm not sure exactly how the tests work, but where he lower, moderate, lower, moderate exposure. Okay. So it checks your genetics to see if you're predisposed to have, uh, I guess an addictive personality or be, uh or have addiction. And then he

would send out the test and then we would be on the show with him. Right. And he'd be a little square in here, too. And he'd open it up and then we would talk about his what his results were. And we could do this with all sorts of people. You know what I mean? We could do it with you. We could do it with Taylor and we could just show the world and then we could talk about why it's important to know ahead of time, whether you have little kids or whether you're an adult, why it's like, hey, you're predisposed for addiction. And that could also get in their head so that maybe they don't smoke pot or they don't do cocaine or they don't go down the avenues of drinking. But it'll help explain for a lot of people. I believe it's like 10 to 20 percent of the population has this in low and moderate ways. Only 10 or 20, huh?

Yeah. Well, if you look at the numbers traditionally, alcoholism ran at about a 5% rate for 100 years. And it went to 10% when the drugs became part of the mainstream. And now, post-prescription drug epidemic, it's 20%. So it kind of maxes out at 1 out of 5. Okay. And I believe those people, if there wasn't heroin to be exposed to, they would be overly religious. There's all different ways to express this feeling of inadequacy that this genetic predisposition causes, right? So let's just talk about what is genetic.

Is that from your observation that the the overly religious versus. Well, that was the original. That was the original thing. So so when you see there wasn't a genetic test until Sarah and the science, this guy came up with it. Like there was ones at universities that cost tens of thousands of dollars to do where they discovered it. of dollars to do, where they discovered at UCLA, this consistent pattern in addicted populations that is in the attunement and light and sound and where you interface with the world, that kind of places where this consistent pattern in the addicts that they tested, right? And we always knew that alcoholism, which was the original addiction, ran in families. So now you had evidence that there's a genetic component to it. But as science came on and more investigation was, you started to see that this doesn't always

express itself in outwardly alcohol and drug consumption, you know, drug use and addiction. Over religiosity, food, obviously, in America. And then it can be CrossFit. It can be, you know, music, right? There are, I believe, there are constructive, healthy things to be addicted to. CrossFit is not the worst thing in the world to be addicted to. Right. Over fentanyl and heroin and food.

Right. I would prefer CrossFit. Right. Over, and in my case, being obsessive about everything, being obsessed with music did me pretty well. I'm sitting here 50 years later. Right, you're not dead. I'm not dead, and I have lived the greatest, most interesting life.

I've been all over the world, never really had a job. For a guy like me, that's pretty good. So this addiction to music and Brian Wilson and the Rolling Stones and the Beatles and Bob Dylan, this obsession with that that led to me being a performer and artist and songwriter, that's a good, healthy kind of addiction. The question is, can you detach? And most people can't.

So you have your- What does that mean, detach? So a lot of people believe that addiction is an attachment disorder, that you can attach to something like CrossFit, become obsessed with it, do it, get your routine down, get your body healthy and fit. But you can never relax from that. You can never really enjoy the spoils of your hard work. And I do hear about that.

People who go to sleep thinking about it. They wake up thinking about it. The community. Oh, my God. That connects something for me. So I was a golfer i grew up in palm springs i played on the golf teams in high school and college and i literally what you're talking about going to sleep at night waking up in the morning i would go to if i was

playing a tournament the next day i would go to sleep while i would lay in bed before i went to sleep going over each hole of the golf course I was about to play tomorrow. Wow. And where the pin might be. So there's a big thing about tournament golf is what is their pin placement? Like, and where you know yourself as a golfer and where it's best. And like, if the pin is center, center of the green, you know, I'm going to be in trouble because I, I tend to hit the ball short and roll it

up. And you hit the ball short on that hole, you're going to still not even be on the green. You know, like obsessive thinking, like, and then wake up in the morning with anxiety or complete confidence. It didn't really matter. Just overwhelming feelings that you can't control. You can't remove yourself from, you can't relax from. That is addiction in a nutshell, that feeling of inability to detach. And eventually when you're lost on drugs, you just lose all sense of self. And it's only the attachment that do it again, do it again, do it again, compulsion. And, and that's why drugs are unique. I think to the addictive things, uh, behaviors, because you, it just consumes you

like quicksand. And then you don't even existence. You're just inside the quicksand. I don't think you can really do that with CrossFit. I don't, I think, I think obviously you can do that with food i think obviously shopping right yeah you're hoarding i think these hoarding people have addictive disorder you know what i mean when you see that the stuff they just bring home and pile in there you know what i mean think of how obsessive that is and bob and the monsters one of the characteristics you talk about is you to kind of describe addiction. It says you said you're fighting to live a shitty lifestyle.

Yeah. And that hit me hard. I was like, wow, that is I've seen those people. That's like all the all the people that they call homeless who are really drug addicts. They're fighting to live this shitty life. Yeah. And it's and it's and it's attachment. They can't let go of it. Right. It's such a hard thing to let go of, especially when it's and it's and it's attachment they can't let go of it right

it's such a hard thing to let go of especially when it's got a hold of you right so the initial thing is me wanting to attach to mushrooms and go to go to see or listen to beach boys and joshua tree eventually that has an attachment back to me that i can't escape. I have to have a drug experience today. I have to. It's built in. It's not an option to not, right? And in that kind of comes hopelessness because you feel hopeless. So the people on the streets, if you talk to them, because I've been, I tried for years to deal with some of the homeless population, just little by little.

But also Dr. Drew and I would go down to downtown LA and I went down there with Chelsea Handler, her name is. She did a TV show about my outreach down there. And it's so hard because it's letting go of drugs and hopelessness and try to embrace something unknown. Right. That's where the homeless population is. What's what's the unknown sobriety? The unknown is like, where am I going to live? What am I going to do? You know, facing all the fears and insecurities of that caused you to be living

by the river. Anyway, so there was, there was a river in Orange County. I don't know if you ever saw it by Anaheim stadium. There were 10,000 people living there. I went down there and it was just like trying to talk to people. And it was, it was tribal and it was just like trying to talk to people and it was it was tribal and it was horrible and and you had homeless advocates saying well they have the right to do that no they're like raping women down there like this is awful you want to be a a drunk woman living by the side of the orange county river at two o'clock in the morning when there's other drunk predators there, high predators, like it was awful. And the occupation. The homeless advocates, like I went to Echo Park Lake with Dr. Drew,

and this one asshole kid, couldn't have been more than 28, 29. He's screaming at me, fuck you. These are my fucking neighbors. And I was like, then let him sleep on your couch you fucking asshole right i was gonna punch the guy the guy you know these these entitled entitled people that have never lived life and they're gonna tell us all how to live yeah i you know sometimes like you know like i know we're in a non-violent kind of mood right now but uh you know what the hell you're screaming at me aggressively at me? I'm just down

here trying to help you fucking asshole. And you're telling me these are your neighbors. Okay. You know what good neighbors do for each other? They help each other. Correct. They don't let them sleep in the fucking park and shit behind a tree. Help them. If you're a good neighbor, let them sleep on your couch, pick somebody that you click with and make an effort to really change this person's life. But don't sit here and scream at me and Dr. Drew for coming down here saying it's addiction mostly. I think it's mostly addiction and mental health issues. Definitely. Try saying that to a homeless advocate.

I know. I know. It's crazy. So you don't know.'t know i was homeless for many many many years and i tell the story of the 1 000 people that i met and i just make that number up arbitrarily but 1 000 other homeless people i met it was just me and one other guy in the five years that i was homeless who wasn't a drug addict all nine and so i always think it's a misnomer to call these people homeless they've they've basically chosen drug addiction. And when you're a drug addict, shelter is not a priority.

And so it leaves it leaves kind of the list. Right. Pussy and shelter and food kind of slip. Those should be ahead of. Yeah. But they kind of slip behind drugs. And then and then your job becomes a a criminal so you're you're they were they were crooks or they were running scams or they were stealing bikes or whatever yeah get their drugs and that was and that was their circle so whenever people call them homeless i start to that's my trigger word i'm like wait a second uh homeless has the implication that they chose that they didn't choose that well and it also implies there's not enough homes there's no right homes but those people like i i you know when my older son i have a 38 year old son when he kind of you know i had

an empty nest i started letting drug addicts stay at my house try to turn them around try to get them up i did that too i opened my whole backyard yeah and what i found was you know the pull to drugs is so um powerful and that it outweighs their feelings of i can't believe you're doing this for me because it always have it have the beginning middle and end they'd i'd say hey you want to stay at my house for a couple weeks and i'll help you and we'll detox you and you go to meetings with me and hang out with me. And they would be like, you would do that for me. And I was like, yeah, you know, I'd always pick someone that was like a musician or somebody that was a friend of a friend. And and the all of what I was offering would last a week, five days.

Okay. And then inevitably it becomes you're living in my house. You're, you know, you kind of, you don't have to ask me if it's okay to go to the bathroom. You don't have to ask me if it's okay to walk to the market and all this kind of stuff. And then inevitably there would be a relapse somewhere along the line and hiding it from me. And right then that's kind of unethical. We have an agreement. We have a contract. I'm going to try to help you get off drugs. If you want to take drugs, you just say, Bob, I can't do this.

I got to head out. That's the honorable ethical thing to do, but no one ever did that. Right. What they did was they take drugs and then try to lie about it yeah right and i and that stresses me out that sounds stressful inevitably i would catch them and then i'd give them a second chance and then i would say there's not three strikes you're out there's one more strike and you're out so we're either going to do this or not inevitably they would do that second strike the next day wow and then they'd be out right and somehow it never a couple of times with some closer friends of mine they would be

like i'm sorry man and they would just leave you know but a lot of times it'd be very heated and like you know you're just throwing me out like no your decisions have gotten it so that this is not going to work something else will work just head on out yeah i brought you into my home to fucking get off of drugs and turn your life around it's not working it doesn't mean it's something wrong with you or something wrong with me it's just not working you have to fucking leave and sometimes it got a little rough to have people leave. Right. Inevitably, I couldn't do it. It was just so much.

It was so much. It was so much. You know. Bob, what do you think the value is of knowing ahead of time if you're predisposed to addiction like this test? Well, I want to help people understand what it means. It means that you have to think really mindfully about because you start smoking pot when you're 13. My son's 13. My middle son's 13 right now. Like, it's pretty high.

So I'm not telling you what to do. The choice is yours. And then I give them tools of how to say no. This is something parents never think about. How to say no. no this is something parents never think about how to say no say you know if somebody passes you a joint and or wants you to smoke pot or drink just say listen my dad and my mom are were really fucked up junkies my dad was homeless for years and almost died and so like i can't i can't you know and just how to say no right you know because kids, and just how to say no. Right.

You know, because kids don't know how to say no in peer pressure things when they're 12 and 13 and 14. They don't know. Right. Right, right, right. And give them tools. Say, no, I'm good. It's just fucking me up. And, you know, I had a, I forget who it was. It was a musician guy that used to say no i've i've had enough

somebody offered him a drink at a concert or something he'd say no i've had enough and and they'd say oh okay like that he was already drunk but the fact is he hadn't drank in like 10 years but that was a good send out like if some some fan of yours is buying you a drink you say oh no no no i've already had enough. Thank you so much though. Yeah. So a gracious way to get out of it, what to say when people are offering you drugs and alcohol, right? That's important for parents to talk to their kids about, not just, just say no, because

you're a kid. You're like, you're going through adolescence and puberty and like, you don't know how to say no to a pretty boy or girl you don't know how you gotta help them so the first tool you gave was is like hey explain to them uh hey just so you know most people who go down this pathway and take their first hit off a joint it it ends bad for them no his parents for his parents right right right carte blanche just say anything you want about your parents. Yeah.

We ended up heroin addicted and fucked up, so he can't do it. What if you don't have parents? So, like, your kid can look at you now, Bob, and be like, oh, actually, I do want to take the path of my dad. Look how happy he is. You know what I mean? Because, you know, they would tell you when you're a kid, drugs are bad. And we all had the friends who would do acid. I'm not saying drugs are bad.

I never say drugs are bad. Okay. I say it's a decision you have to make. And here's some reasons why I think it's a risky decision and why it's a risky decision. Right? Your parents, you have a predisposition for it. You also have childhood trauma from being an addict. Let the cat in here. And my son's a musician and, you know, pretty easily pot can take a real priority in your life. You were talking about

priorities. The amygdala is where the drive center of the brain is. It's back in the back. That seems to be where addiction settles, the motivational system, right? So that is what you said fight or flight procreation sex drive um uh safety uh comfortability all this like food water all the drives that you have that help us survive and all of a sudden pot goes in there you need pot to survive and then what happens over a long period of time three to five years is safety and shelter and food and eating and all the things that are priorities and sex and procreation and and and that take a back seat as pot and then cocaine or meth or fentanyl or heroin take the front seat and then they're driving and you can't get the wheel back from them. Yeah. Right. And so, you know, that knowing, I think our test DNA prediction is a tool for parents to talk about drugs. You know, to talk about life and will and decisions and direction and purpose. I think half of America is lost because it has no purpose.

That's why I think hatred became their purpose. And they have no value. And people, I don't think, it wasn't until my 40s, late 40s that I understood what it meant to have values either. I don't think, I think a lot of Americans don't have morals or values. They don't. They don't even understand what it means to have values either. I think a lot of Americans don't have morals or values. They don't. They don't even understand what it means to have them.

They have tribal values that are manipulated, right? I'll give you an example. I grew up Republican, obviously. If anybody knows about Palm Springs and Southern California, I grew up Republican. This is not Republican.

What is going on and posing as Republicanism is not Republicanism. Republicanism is stay out of your business. My dad used to always say, you can't legislate morality, right? You can't legislate morality. Think about that statement. All they're trying to do is legislate morality. Like let people be, just, you know, we want to pay less taxes. you do what you do i do what i do you keep your money i keep my money right that was republicanism but very goldwater like my dad's god on earth like um and i grew up ronald reagan was a friend of my uncles

and i met ronald reagan when when he was governor and George Murphy before him was Republican governor. And my has nothing to do with republicans. Not the republican party's platform for, you know, 80 years. Do you think it's getting back to that way? You know, I think Trump blocks out the sun. I think he just changes everything. We got a senile president because of Trump. He's the only guy that could beat Trump. Everything is about Trump, and Trump is not going to be here forever. You know what I mean?

So give him eight more years. I don't care. And then let's see what the country looks like after it, because I think he's such a powerful lightning rod of all things in this country. And he is just a vessel of this rage that's down under. And this is what I don't understand. I'm not angry. I'm not. Like I get taxed like fucking crazy. I don't care, whatever. Like my kids are more important. My family and friends are more important. My employees are more important than sitting around being hateful and angry at whoever and i also and but i'm a businessman and i you know it's not you don't want to pay 50 taxes for having homeless people drive you out of your hometown you know what i mean i understand the the frustration i don't understand the rage it doesn't go to rage for me. It's just, it's just some bad policies we made and they'll get corrected. And then on the other side, on the liberal side that I've been on most of my life, like I'm not with all this crazy stuff. raised Berkeley. I live in Santa Cruz, but ever since I had kids, my liberal and I started getting

values, my liberal roots, I've completely distanced myself from them. But my friends and I believe we've always been here and the left moved way. And the right became religious fanatics. Sure. Right. So it's just like, I'm still still right here like i'm not that far away from a republican and but i'm miles away from a uber liberal right right that's what happened i guess that's what happened to me too the left moved so far left that now i'm closer to being conservative significantly closer than being liberal like it's just like they just ran away give me an example my partners in business i have a rehab center so i don't know if you mentioned that i have oro correct oro house yeah there's four locations and um by the way thank you for that oh yeah and and my partners are you know

left in me and we were like you know floating the idea of this livable wage when it first got started getting talked about by Andrew Yang and AOC, right? And so we ran the numbers and we're not a greedy business. And if we had done that at that time, we would have lost about $1.8 million a year, that at that time we would have lost about 1.8 million dollars a year right and by running that it gave us a real opportunity to think well that's the future we got to figure out how you do that and pay a livable wage right what which you know and understand this is all based on the bullshit real estate ponzi scheme of amer America that's been going on for 50 years. Right. That every house has to be worth 12 percent more next year. That's bullshit. It all comes tumbling down every eight years.

Right. Nobody who, you know, I always think of Dr. Conrad Murray, who was Michael Jackson's doctor. And he said when he found out he's dead and he was going to take the rap for it he said i'm just the last doctor standing oh right there's there's eight guys before me that were doing the same thing but he died on my watch i'm going to jail in that ponzi did he go to jail did he go to jail yeah he went to jail okay and he was just barred um probably house arrest but but um but But in this Ponzi scheme of real estate, it crashes every eight years. And one person is held holding the bag, right? They're paying ridiculous, overly priced for a house that's not worth that at a high interest rate.

And it all comes crashing down on them. Meanwhile, four people that sold the house along the rise made money. It's a scam. It's a Ponzi scam, right? And that's why it's unlivable in Southern California. I feel for our employees, like, how do you work in Malibu? Where do you live? You can't live in Malibu. You can't even live in in what used to be an affordable town in southern california like thousand oaks or or camarillo you can't fucking live there same same in the bay area same around san jose yeah yeah berkeley oakland it's crazy you can't so so anyways we we kind of came up with a formula where we reconfigured our staffing in order to,

everybody makes a livable wage, but everybody has a little bit more responsibility to pull the weight of how the system can work and at least break even. You know what I mean? You can't have a company that loses $1.8 million every year. Not for long, you can't. Right. Right. Right. And I just think like, yeah, we're attacking the problem at the wrong end. Even if we pay McDonald's employees $30 an hour, they're still not going to be able to live in Los Angeles. Agreed.

We have to do something about and not build more affordable housing and have it go to like they love that. Politicians love that. You know, the only people I think about that that are, you know, lawyer lower than politicians are lawyers. Right. And so politicians go around saying, oh, we built 1,200 affordable housings. Yeah, well, you've got 150, 200, 300,000 people that need affordable housing, and you built 1,200 of them. How about we stop giving the tax incentives to all these slumlords? How about that? Why do they not do that? Do you know why why because those slumlords donate money to their campaigns oh oh that's how politics works these days so something has to be done about where people live like even my overhead i was looking at it um like almost half of my my monies goes to rents.

That's a lot, like 40%. It always traditionally was supposed to be a third. And I live outside of Los Angeles. But slowly it creeps up around here. What city do you live in again? Claremont. Claremont, California. We like to say home of oak trees and phds there's five colleges

in the city of claremont wow hey um do you think that um everyone should do you should get people like you should get your kids tested young yeah like this and how young? And are there any harms that you could do by testing them? No, no. It's not a spit test. But, you know, we all did COVID tests. So kids, you know, we didn't mind shoving stuff up and making kids cry for our COVID obsession. So, no, it's a harmless test. And it's just the information for the parents i i tend to think would you tell your kid if you tested your kid at five would you tell them when would you

tell them we're gonna test our seven-year-old probably not our three-year-old you know because he can't really reason you know it's a bummer for all parents for all you new parents so at the time my middle son elvis was born i was doing pretty good at Celebrity Rehab. I had rehab. I was doing pretty good. And he lived this magnificent life. I went down to start an open rehab in Rio de Janeiro. We lived down there for four months.

Then he'd been to Paris. He'd been to London. He'd been to New York. I had an apartment in New York. I had an intervention company in New York. Like, you live in large, right? Yeah. He doesn't remember a fucking thing.

Kids don't remember. They don't remember. Till they're like four. So basically we should just keep them around the house until they're four. Don't waste your time going somewhere. I can't believe he has no recollection of being in Brazil. Right. Like where people don'tection of being in Brazil. Right. Like where people don't even speak English.

Right. Right. And yet, you know, yet I thought he was, I was giving him this fabulous experience in life. No kids. Memories kind of click in between three and four.

I think, I don't know that I'm not a pediatrician, but, uh, will you tell your seven year old the results of the test? Yeah, you will. I mean, we talk about it about it now she she knows what addiction is she knows um we call it people that are having a hard time right because when you live around me my kids live around me they've

been to the rehab they see all these people living there some people crying and some people you know saying they want to leave. And that, you know, I remember the first time Sydney, my daughter was there, she was like, are you making people stay here? And I'm like, no, I'm not making anybody stay here. But people like, as soon as I walk in, they're like, Paul, I need a pass. I'm supposed to be able, I've been waiting for two days to get toothpaste and blah, blah. I'm like,

I'm like the center of of demands right when i walk in and she sensed at like five years old that like i'm i'm holding these people against their will no you're volunteering to be here i'm sorry we didn't get your toothpaste the personal tom's toothpaste that you want you know um so so we're gonna tell her my son albus is very excited to get it he i think 13 i think he wants it my 38 year old wants to do it he's the guy i do the podcast my other my podcast don't die podcast with. He doesn't know whether he wants to test my grandson who's one years old. I don't think there's any point because the real tool of the test, I mean, maybe it's for you to know that you have a kid that's overly sensitive to the environment. Maybe that's some knowledge for a parent of a one-year-old, but more I'm thinking it's a tool for discussion.

Really, it's just a tool in a long list of things that lead to homelessness, drug dependency, obesity, hopelessness, helplessness, lost. There's a lot of hoops you got to jump through to get there. But this first one, if you have it, it's essential to have it. You can jump through the other hoops. I always give an example. I've had a lot of relationships in my life. I'm 63 years old. I had two girlfriends who became heroin acts with me back in the day, right? When I was playing music. As soon as they got me out of their lives one of them didn't even go to rehab they just stopped taking drugs and lived happily ever after pta member been married to the guy after me you know for 25 years happy fun productive life i believe that they jump through the hoops but they don't have the genetics for it so you can jump through the hoops and go down that road.

And the AA Big Book says this in one statement. It says, there are those two who seem, it says, given good reason, they will cease. Meaning if a doctor tells you, you know, you got liver inflammation, you got cirrhosis of the liver, that non-genetically predisposed person will stop that day. Now there's been a consequence and they will have no problem stopping. I give this example. I have a friend, Mike, who smoked pot every day, forever. I met him when we were like 22. This was on when he was like 50. And know and he saw my travels and tribulations and we used to coke together back when he was in law school and one day he said i i on friday he used to come over

he'd buy a gram of coke and come over my house and we'd go see a band or something and um he ended up being a very powerful music player i won't say his name but he'll know who it is if he's listening. And he came over my house and I said, I said, dude, and I had a plate out because every time he came over, he liked cocaine. He would bring cocaine. I had the plate out ready. I'm waiting for Mike to come by. Come on, get over here, motherfucker. And he comes in, he goes, oh, no, I can't. I can't. I can't be doing coke anymore. I'm like, excuse me. And he goes, yeah, yeah. I, you know, I'm in my third year alone if like i've given up my life to become a lawyer and if i get even caught for possession it's i'd be disqualified from bar and i was like yeah yeah you're not getting arrested go back and buy a grandma coke

right right right to me i'm the addict mentality to him he doesn't have the genetic predisposition he doesn't have that compulsion and that drive though he does cocaine all the time though he smokes pot every day so follow forward i become this addiction specialist he becomes one of the most powerful lawyers in music and every time i go visit him he he had this office in New York City and he had a balcony where he'd go out and sit and smoke pot and whatever. And and I go there to visit him and I go, we're going to go out on the balcony. He's like, no, no, no. I stopped smoking pot. And I was like, you're kidding me. This is a lifelong pot smoker. He goes, yeah yeah i don't tell many people but you know he was holding his son who had just been born and he had just smoked pot and he dropped his son on the ground nothing happened right but that

visceral thing of like maybe me being stoned is why i dropped my son. And an addict wouldn't make that connection? An addict would just be, he's okay. Right, right. Like, I don't know my sons. Right. Like, no, he's okay. Right. Interesting. But that thing, he just stopped.

And so then I quizzed him because he's a really good friend. I said, did you get depressed? He said, no, I started to feel better every day and I can breathe. And that is not a typical addict's response to stopping lifelong pot use. They're usually depressed, withdrawn, sometimes suicidal, sometimes hallucinations, and it goes on for months. He described feeling so much better, like he couldn't believe it. He didn't realize how pot had dulled him and how wonderful life was. This is not a natural addict response to sobriety. Right.

And I, so I have all this personal evidence, actual documented, quantified evidence-based research that this test really tells you that you have this indefinable need or sensitivity. That modern life in 21st century America doesn't, it's not copacetic. You're going to be anxious. You're going to be, it's going to be edgy. You're going to be anxious. It's going to be edgy. You're going to be depressed. You're going to feel awkward. You're going to feel all these things because you're not hearing the world right. You're not experiencing other people correctly, fully like you could. And when you smoke some pot or you take some Valium or you take some fentanyl, all of a sudden you now feel how everyone else feels.

The problem is you can't stay there. It declines, it diminishes and leaves your body in four hours. So you need to do it again to feel like how everyone else does. And then it's down the road, down the road, down the road. Now you need it to get up in the morning. Now you don't, it doesn't make you feel how everyone else does. It has diminishing returns, but you have no choice. You've gone down this road now.

You're going to end up in a detox, in a rehab center, and dying. You know, it's so sad. The death rate, over 100 thousand people in america die of drug overdoses every year think about that hundred thousand i know it's great and you know what's crazy is and maybe you you'll unfuck me on this but it sounds like something really bizarre has happened in the last five years yeah it used to be people died there's two things one you you go touch on the movie and we'll touch on it in a second but people used to be people died. There's two things. One, you, you go touch on the movie and we'll touch on it in a second, but people used to die from the drugs that they knew they were doing.

Now it sounds like the majority of people who are dying don't even know what the drugs are that they did. Yes. And people are lying about what the drugs are. So, um, which is nuts, which, which went from, Hey, uh, don't do drugs. You'll addicted, to don't do drugs, you're going to die. I can give people at home a really quick kind of explanation of what happened. Please. Traditionally, outlaws, musicians, counterculture people, you know, experimented with drugs, got addicted to drugs. Yeah, they were cool. Jim Morrison.

Yeah, Charlie Parker. Charlie Parker. Charlie Parker. The greatest saxophone player who ever lived. And when he died at 35 years old, on the coroner's report, they thought he was a 60-year-old male. That's what drugs and alcohol do. Hey, what is that? Sorry.

Is that a window behind you? Yeah. A glass stained window. Did I just see a mountain lion walk behind you? Yeah. Oh, maybe. Oh, no. that's my cat oh oh i was like holy shit you know what there is there's a bobcat that lives in our barn he

comes around you know bobcats are strange animals to california yeah i'm in santa cruz i think yeah they're beautiful they're trippy because it looks like a cat but it's just a little bit bigger and it'll here's the problem with cats out in nature it'll eat a cat right right right so we've had some cats disappear around here but let me explain it to you so it was this outlaw kind of population billy holiday jazz musicians then it goes into the beat generation then the hippie movement kind of exploded it, Timothy Leary kind of exploded it, and exposed it to middle-class kind of kids, but still it was a small part of the population. The Sackler family and Purdue Pharmaceuticals and OxyContin exposed the entire country to it, right? So you had, you know, you had people that just, I mean,

I was big on introducing people to drugs. I thought drugs were a freedom and a kind of exciting thing. And I would offer heroin or whatever somebody wanted. And a lot of people would say, no, Bob, I'm not going to be doing heroin tonight, right? So there was a mass part of the population that wanted nothing to do with heroin, right? Bradley Knoll was not one of those people. Kurt Cobain was not one of those people. They wanted to be a part of it. So it was a small percentage. Then when you're prescribing OxyContin to women for their menstrual problems,

and you're prescribing Oxycontin to every kid who gets hurt on a high school football game. And you're prescribing Oxycontin to anybody that pulls a groin muscle at a gym at CrossFit. And you're prescribing Oxycontin to every old person who's just got old people hurt. And it's just a mass of opioids across America that created the opioid epidemic. It comes from one drug company, Purdue Pharmaceutical. It comes from one philosophy of drug distribution, which is the subscription model, rather than give people medicine like antibiotics. Everybody knows you take five pills in a week and then that's it. You know, you can't make trillions of dollars off that. You can make it if you need to take

an antibiotic pill every day. And then two months from now, you need to take two and four months. And now you need to take 10. You can make a lot of money off the subscription model of prescription drugs. And that was the Sackler family's business model. Get everyone addicted, taking more and more, right? They had a problem. People were dying. And it's Barack Obama who really started, his administration, his justice department started paying attention to it. And they turned off the spigot. They made it harder for doctors to prescribe. They made it more risky for McCormick, which is a distributor of drugs. How does OxyContin get from the Sacklers to your local CVS? It's a company called McCormick. And they knew what

was happening. And they were held accountable like crazy, even more so than the Sacklers, because McCormick is bigger. I think the fines that McCormick paid were in the billions and billions of dollars. So anyways, Obama cut it off. And he made McCormick and the distributors of drugs to your local pharmacy. They had a trigger thing that more than 2 000 doses goes out the federal government needs to be contacted right so obama turned the spigot off that the sacklers had turned on what was lacking in their insight about addiction do you think these people are just going to stop taking opioids you fucking idiot no no fucking way so i was still involved on a street level of drugs i was sober

and i was counseling but i had a street level drug treatment center called map and i was noticing like that my attic population the musicians and neander wells and the traditional attic population were scoring drugs for doctors nurses lawyers they lawyers. They were making money off of providing the heroin, the replacement for OxyContin to these really well-functioning people. And I was fascinated by it, right? How did doctors who were addicted to OxyContin end up heroin addicted? Because the spigot was turned off. They couldn't get Vicodin, they couldn't get Oxycontin, they couldn't get Percocet, and they had to get something. So they had these real drug addicts getting them heroin and showing them how to do it, right? The problem, and then I talked to the 18th Street gang here, which is gang before MS,

the problem was the potency of the heroin wasn't strong enough to hold the OxyContin addicts because there's so much morphine in OxyContin. So they would do what would knock anybody out of heroin, 40% morphine heroin, and not feel it and still be kind of sick and not feel right to go to work. So they would have to take more and more heroin to equal the OxyContin that they were addicted to. Do you follow me? Yeah. Yeah. And and so the cartels started to recognize this and up the potency of the heroin. Right. And so you got to 50 percent morphine, morphine percentage in your local street heroin to 60%. Along comes fentanyl. Fentanyl is a man-made product. You can add it to the heroin, boost the intoxication of the heroin, and lower the price. The first time I realized about fentanyl, there was a fentanyl distributor

in China. The New Yorker magazine did an article about him. He was sending fentanyl, there was a fentanyl distributor in China, the New Yorker magazine did an article about him. He was sending fentanyl to people's doorfronts here in America before it was illegal. And he was buying $2,000 worth of fentanyl. The people that were buying it, the dealers that eventually started dealing fentanyl in America or putting it in the heroin, it would cost $2,000 to $4,000. And it would translate to $5 to $8 million to $10 to $12 million worth of heroin product on the streets of America. When I saw that economics, and this is probably 2005, 2007. When I saw you

can invest $4,000 and make $5 million, even I thought maybe I could do that one time. And you just get the pill stamping machines on Amazon. People are just buying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just stamp their own thing. And that's what led to the high overdose rate is the illicit distribution of fentanyl. And people didn't know how powerful it was and how crazy it was.

Now it's in everything. Now it's, you think you're buying meth, there's fentanyl in it. You think you're buying heroin, there's fentanyl in it. You think you're buying fentanyl, there's meth in it. A friend of mine who's a treatment professional, who's very close to me, relapsed and he had his drugs tested that he was taking. There was literally fentanyl in everything. There was fentanyl in the Xanax. There was fentanyl in the heroin. There was fentanyl in the cocaine. There was fentanyl in the meth. There's meth in the fentanyl. So this is why we're in the mess that we're in. Kids can literally have their first drug experience and die. And they are they are that is how they are. Yeah. Every day.

And and so, you know what to do about I started this organization called Don't Die, meaning it's just a reminder like drugs are deadly. I know we've been, you know, saying drugs are deadly for a hundred years. They're really deadly. Now you need to listen to me. You could die today. Yeah. And it seems like, and rise in the lack of caring about other people in our country. I think the drug dealers don't really care that that's why they had to up the consequence for the distribution of fentanyl death, right? Because drug dealers didn't really care. Like, I hate to say it, but my drug dealers cared about me. They came to my concerts.

My one guy that I got drugs from for years and years named Guero. He was an albino Mexican guy named Guero. And I loved him. And when I would go out of town on tour, he would take care of my girlfriend and make sure one of his lieutenants went and brought her enough drugs to get through a couple of days.

And he called me from federal prison and said, they're playing Body and Soul. Listen, listen. And my song was on the radio inside the federal prison. He didn't want me to die because I was the greatest customer he ever had. I spent $2,000, $3,000, $4,000 a week. The modern callousness in America led to this death rate.

People don't care about people the way they used to. They really don't. I know that sounds outrageous. I really don't think when Amazon, one of the most destructive things to the American economy comes along, you don't realize, hey, the neighbor that lives down the street from you that your kids play with, he owns the supermarket, the local, you know, supermarket. If you buy everything from Amazon, he's going to go out of business and he's not going to be able to live in your neighborhood anymore. And your kids are not going to play with him. And it's going to be a very sad thing. There's no sense of community.

There's no sense of caring about one another in that way anymore. It's just like get the most amount of money, this covetedness and this celebration of wealth. The Kardashians makes me so sick. There are worse things to be than a drug addict. The Kardashians. There's in the movie at one point you say if you believe what other people say about you, you become a parody of yourself. you you become a parody of yourself yeah i think that i think that there's a uh there's a whole generation that's regardless if they're famous or not that believes what instagram is telling them who they are and you see that in the high uh suicide rate and tweener girls so you know that that's no more evidence you need the highest rise rise in suicide in America is tweener girls between the ages of 10 and 13. That precious age of young girls who are living through social media and what people say about them and say about their outfit and say about their braces or glasses or whatever.

We need to protect our children away from the internet it's more dangerous it's more dangerous than pot i can tell you the internet's more dangerous than pot bob they've entered basically mental illness for girls um is now a phase of their life like they've entered it into the timeline like it's normal i don't know if it's wrong but i only let my kids play games i don't know if it's wrong but i only let my kids play games they don't they're not allowed to have social uh no that's they should media no but the games are so violent like if my daughter plays roblox and i'll walk in there sometimes on the xbox like holy fuck what are you playing and they're like little girls killing with guns it's a little bit much but at least

she's not getting bullied and picked on on social media you're just trying to do the best you can you know what i mean bob uh this is uh this trish says bob do you feel reefer has medicinal value oh yeah for sure it does for sure marijuana and hemp in particular has incredible – I don't even understand the question. What does that mean, medicinal value? Going for a walk has medicinal value. Yeah. Taking 10 deep breaths has medicinal value.

What does that mean? Like rolling something up and burning it and inhaling the fumes has medicinal value? No, they can eat it. People do not know they're using it. It's good for pain. I have some friends that have chronic pain can eat it. People don't know they're using it. It's good for pain. I have some some friends that have chronic pain that use it's better. It's better than opioids for pain. Right. Because opioids, you need to increase, you know, in opioids. Here's the diminishing returns of opioids. You need to double the dose every 90 days. And it's not going to end. It's just going to keep doubling the dose every 90 days, right? Edibles is not that. And I have some friends that are on it for chronic pain.

And, you know, a lot of us have lived pretty rough lives. You get to be 60, you can barely walk and get out of bed. And I've seen medicinal use of edibles for that. I've also seen hemp as this incredible pain management salve um i've used it and like any addict i overused it and made all the nerves in my leg i compound fractured my leg and at a concert continued playing the concert by the way until i looked down and saw a puddle of blood so big it was like out of a horror movie is that the scene in the in the in the movie where they're walking you away and no that was i told the cameraman to go yeah yeah no i broke my kneecap at that one that was oh my god no there

was an era like we were all pretty physical performers right like you don't see that much anymore like um and so i played this concert before and then eddie vetter is this kid that we all knew um from san diego he was crazy eddie from san diego uh he had joined this band in seattle he was from he's from illinois actually and then moved to san diego and then was a big fan of Chili Peppers. And he was around our world. And he was just he's just the nicest, craziest kid from San Diego, even though I think he's only like four years younger than us. When you're when you're 24 and somebody's 19, that's a big age gap. Right. Yeah. He was crazy. Eddie from San Diego becomes a singer at Pearl Jam, which was a band called Mookie Blaylock, by the way from san diego becomes a singer at a pearl jam uh which was a band called mookie blaylock by the way that didn't have a singer and and so then i'm you know i'm

playing pink pop in europe this festival and you go through this tv rehearsal thing and they and one of the guys while i'm standing there you know here you know waiting for whatever they're you always you're always waiting when you're you always you're always waiting when you're a musician you're always waiting somewhere i'm standing on stage waiting and one of the one of the production guys goes you know your friend eddie got on the tv uh uh camera like platform and jumped off into the crowd you're not going to do that right bob and i was like not if eddie did it so i you know because i'm an obsessive insecure you know i can't believe eddie bet or crazy eddie is this big deal so the next day we play the concert and i climbed to the top of the whole

building i don't know i think you see it in the documents and i thought i thought i'd get like halfway up and i could jump off the monitor the pa system into the crowd and i got there and it was too far away from the crowd like it's really far away like like 20 yards or something i couldn't believe like because you know on stage you look up if i climb up there i can jump onto the crowd i got up there and i couldn't. So then I just kept climbing. And I thought, I'll get to the front of the whole tent. And then I could jump down. I got up there and I looked down.

It's like 100 feet. And I'm like, I'm going to die if I jump from up here. And so then I got paralyzed in fear, right? I'm still singing, by the way. I still have a cordless mic and i'm singing but i'm paralyzed in fear up on top of the tarp and they had to kind of get production guys to get up there and help me and reassure me that i was going to get back down then i got back down on the stage i started dancing and i fell and broke my kneecap oh my god it was kind of but it was all this

challenge like crazy eddie's gonna, crazy me, fuck that. And so that was kind of a legendary concert. Actually, by the way, it was one of the top 10 moments in pink pop history. And that concert's been going on for 50 years. Like a lot of people thought I was going to die that day. I thought I was, I thought I might die that day. Sounds like you almost, and it's in the, it's in the movie. It looked like you were going to die that day. So no, the compound fracture was in canada

like i pushed against the pa and my leg got caught and it fell down and caught and then when i lifted my leg out of the thing and some roadie helped me push the pa to get my leg free of the pa uh the leg came out compound fracture to pull out as i was trying to get my leg out did you feel it break no i was so amped up from playing so then i went back you know i was standing at the microphone and john our bass player at the time was like looking down and he looked at me eye contact and looked down and there was a circle of blood around me and my whole jeans was just soaked in blood and i pulled my pant leg up and i could see the bone sticking out and that's when I panicked I was like holy shit but I think we played another song when I when I had that that's insane and here's an example that was in the 80s I was at a Canadian hospital they

were amazing universal health care sewed it up, surgery, out in two days. You know, I went in at like midnight and one day I was out the third day and I'm leaving and they're not giving me a prescription, right? And I'm like,

hey, hey, hey, doc, you know, this fucking hurts, you know? And I had a walking cast on it and he said, you can get codeine over the counter here in Canada.

And I was like, I am going to need something more than codeine, Doc. Come on now. Yeah. The doctor, this Canadian doctor is so cool. He looked at me and goes, you look like you know where you can get something more powerful than codeine, Mr. Forrest. And he just walked out of the room.

Wow. Wow. A little bit different than when the Sacklers take over the world, isn't it? Hey, so drugs went from being like the cool thing to do and exploration and for freedom and for exploring being better musician, artist to people getting addicted just through prescriptions. And that was that that's that's game over now. Now, game over, game over the cats out of the bag. So now you have an exposure rate of five percent. Now you have an exposure rate of 20 percent. Twenty percent of the American public is on drugs. What do you do? Obama turns a spigot off. One of those 15 percent just stopped taking it.

That's what led to all the social ills that we have, the DCFS and families being destroyed. It's the opioid crisis that was created by a pharmaceutical company with co-signed by the federal government and HMO system and all this. And that's why you can't put the genie back in the bottle. We've got this problem and now we have to solve it. And how do we solve it and your your listener asking about medical marijuana or whatever given a choice of homelessness and opioid addiction and fentanyl death i would choose people to be on edible marijuana if they can't get to the other side of complete absence, sobriety, there are other avenues. And I didn't believe in them in the beginning until the death rate got so crazy. We've got to do something, anything to stow the tide to change this direction we're going in.

The effect of drug addiction on families, Don't Die, my organization, I'm actually the least active. Like the Don't Die chapter that's in Los Angeles, really, we just do Narcan awareness and Narcan giveaways. But people all across the country have taken it and run with it. Huntington, West Virginia, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in Sacramento, California, they started Don't Die chapters. And they're very, very involved, California, they started Don't Die chapters, and they're very, very involved, especially the Milwaukee guys. I went to Milwaukee two times. I gave a lecture at the college. I met the governor. The governor of Wisconsin talked to me about how to deal with the opioid crisis, right? It was just amazing what's happened. But I went to west virginia do you know that the number one uh the increase in um in orphans in west virginia is caused by opiate death of both parents wow so you have orphans

in west virginia because both their parents are dead of drugs wow how what a destructive thing that is for those children they're like they're like like can you imagine both your parents no that's that's that's a crazy stat that's like uh uh that's like the number one cause of death in the united states for kids under five is drowning like when you hear that shit you're right oh i had no fucking idea yeah so this number one cause of orphans in west virginia is both parents died from a drug overdose and so you have um grandparents raising grandkids you have it all over the midwest and all over where the opioid crisis hit the worst which is you know uh west virginia

tennessee kentucky uh you know your midwestern states really took a toll on this. The Florida panhandle, like it just devastated that part of the southern United States, just destroyed families. Bob, I'm 52. And when I was growing up, the big thing that they had you scared with was AIDS. It was everywhere. So I'm 10 i'm 11 years younger than you so i graduated high school in 1990 so from like 1985 to like 1995 i mean you know an easy e died and magic johnson got it and uh it was crazy right and so i all i

was terrified of sex unprotected right sex. Right, right. Like terrified. Is that the component of – is that – and maybe it saved my life. Maybe it didn't. I mean, fuck, I don't know. But I never got AIDS. And does this DNA for addiction – when I saw the test, I was like, oh, this might be a good way to scare the shit out of someone so that they never try to drive. Yes, I think you can. I think you can.

Is there anything you'd like to say? But it's not the kids I want to scare. I want to motivate the parents. The parents are just heads buried in the sand in America, including myself. When my older son started getting drunk and high, I was oblivious to it. I always tell the story. So my son was probably 12, and we lived together in this big house in Echo Park. And Gibby from the Butthole Surfers was staying at my house.

He was in town recording or something. And I don't know if any of your listeners know, the Butthole Surfers are about the craziest band that America has ever had. I don't know if you're familiar with them. But they had the wildest live performance of anyone. Just mind-blowing. And there's a new documentary coming out about them, I think, in the fall. They were from Texas.

They seemed like the Manson family. They just had the most beautiful, crazy music. And they put on a show that just scared you and awed you and turned you on and turned you off. And they were a big drug band and everything. So Gibby is this legendary crazy man in rock music, comes into my bedroom and he goes, I believe that Elijah is intoxicated right now. He's from Texas.

And he's a funny guy. And I go, what? No way. What? My kid. And I go walking downstairs and No way. What? My kid. And I go walking downstairs and I go into Elijah's bedroom and he's just like drunk out of his mind

just laying on his bed. Was Gibby sober at that point? Yeah. And how old was Elijah, your son? He was 12. Okay. And I was oblivious to it. And apparently he had been like that

for like six months or a year and I was just oblivious to it. Wow. So I'm not condemning parents that bury their head in the sand and don't know what's going on with their kids. But this tool should wake you up. I think America is woken up. Your kids could die of drugs tonight. That never existed before.

I hate to tell you. Here's the conditions. They could go to a party, get drunk, get in a car and die in a car accident. No, they could ingest a pill and be dead today. Someone could just give them a couple of Xanax and they're really fentanyl death. Yes. And be dead. And so I think parents are aware of that. And parents just need some motivation and fear to take some action and talk to their kids about drugs and talk to their kids about how to cope with being a teenager, how to cope with

feeling insecure, how to cope. Conversation. The test is a tool for conversation. The test is knowledge. Knowledge is power. The test isn't going to give you carte blanche to take heroin if you're not at risk. And it's not going to cure you from jumping through those hoops. Only conversation, community, knowledge, enlightenment is. Right? And that's what we are lacking in America right now. You know, I, I, I, um, there's all this, you know, I, I have like, I don't know, like a hundred employees probably on any given day. And so, and I interface with them. I, I had some out in Temecula when the rise of Trump, right? And Trump, one of Trump's big things was he was going to revoke Obamacare. Remember that? I don't know why they were so focused on that. But so I started seeing Trump bumper stickers

on the employees' bumpers, you know, their cars when I'd pull in. And if Trump had succeeded in repealing Obamacare, that rehab center wouldn't exist and those jobs wouldn't exist. So I'm sitting at lunch one time with a gal that works there who I really think is amazing

and a good hard worker. And I know she's a Trumper and this other therapist who's kind of a Trump sympathizer. And we're just talking. And I said, you know, I'm trying to understand the Trump thing. I know you all think

I'm some fucking liberal from Hollywood. I'm not actually, but I'm fascinated by how people will get so cultish, passionate about him to their own detriment. If he really succeeds and becomes president and revokes Obamacare, we won't be able to have this rehab center and you guys won't have these good paying jobs. I'm just wondering, like, do you think about that when you're so excited and passionate about Trump? And the one girl who's really passionate about it, I'll never forget, she said,

I don't give a fuck if I lose my job. I want him to go to Washington, D.C. and burn that town to the ground. And I knew right then, this is in June of 2017, 2016. I was like, holy God, this thing is not political. This thing is tribal. This thing is not policy. This thing is visceral.

This thing is nothing to do with Donald Trump. This is everything to do with childhood trauma and the haves and have nots. And he's just this lightning rod, this catalyst for that. He has tapped into something that's in America, these lost, forgotten people, let's call them, that feel outside and not a part of, and they are out for blood. You think Trump's the new punk rock? Yeah, that's what a lot of my friends, like, it's split the punk rock community. There's a lot of punk rockers. It's just like, he is, that is the most punk rock thing that's ever happened in American politics. You know, it doesn't help that people like neil young let us down it doesn't right do you

know what i mean that like that's at least for me a lot of the problem was is these people who i chased uh you know i i partied with for freedom you know the music was the freedom music yeah like as we rolled into you know right against the machine yeah yeah as we saw them roll into 2020 they were exposed as complete fucking frauds well don't forget how i started this interview the brown m&ms yeah i don't think musicians successful musicians can really understand what common people go through right i i just don't i don't think politicians can either i don't think celebrities can. George Clooney has no more idea of what it's like to be an American than a Martian does. Oh, right. He's a you know what I mean?

Hey, you saw Drew flip the script. Yeah, I don't know, Drew, but I watched him go. It was very nice watching him kind of navigate the landscape publicly and honestly. There were a few people did that. Joe Rogan did that. Drew did that. There were some people just who are navigating. Russell Brand did that. You saw them kind of like navigate the landscape out in the open. Yeah. It's a logical landscape. I mean, don't forget, Tucker Carlson was a superstar liberal over at CNN, too. Right. And and the evolution that people call it an evolution drew calls his an evolution i think it's just much more commonsensical than that i was i was raised with certain values and i then in my adulthood my young adulthood i adopted some new ideas too. So fundamentally, I'm kind of a combination of my dad's, you know, less government, don't

butt into people's business. There's a Hank Williams song, mind your own business and you won't be minding mine. I try to live my life based on that. I don't care what you do. I don't care what you do. Vaccinate your kids or don't vaccinate your kids. I don't give a fuck. I've always been like that.

Half my friends are anti-vaxxers and the other half are like, kill the anti-vaxxers. They're going to kill our children. And I'm like, neither, like whatever, gay kids vaccinate or don't. Was it Bukowski who said mob stands for mind your own business?

Remember that? Like, Hey, the good, good thing about the mob is they mind their own business. They don't. I knew Charles. I knew Charles Bukowski.

I can't believe there's a person on earth that still remembers him the crime family was great in your town as long as you stayed out of their way yeah they mind mob mind your own business yeah just i i loved buchowski and i got to know him later in life and um he just told it like it was did you know crumb did you know crumb i met him a couple times in san francisco um what's interesting when you play music you meet everybody because somebody inevitably has a friend who likes your band and there's this whole network of world that that music i mean i've been to places you could never dream of because i was in a band and i wrote some songs that people like it's amazing i like trump because he was into fat chicks and i really like yeah it was his wife that

that liked my dad yeah he from was odd did you see that documentary yeah it's amazing why but um i got into the dead world i was a dead head when i was a kid not really a dead i was more like a credit card deadhead i wasn't like hanging out in the parking lot but um but and the the we played we were very popular in san francisco you know music used to be regional right i played santa cruz a hundred times the crystal ballroom in santa cruz so the chili pepper shows jane Peppers shows, Jane's Addiction shows, Rage. Everybody's played the Crystal Ballroom in Santa Cruz, right? Because it's an easy run, we'd call it, right? So if you want to make some money in between albums, this is before the music business became streaming and all this nonsense, you could go on a local run to make money, pocket money, we'd call it. So you'd play Calamity Janes in Las Vegas. Then you'd play Sacramento. A Bakersfield had a place called One Step Beyond.

Then you played Sacramento at some place near a strip mall. And then you'd go to San Francisco. You'd play on Broadway or the Kennel Club or someplace in San Francisco. Then you could play Santa Cruz, Crystal Ballroom. Then you could play Santa, Louis Obispo College and come home. And in two weeks you can make enough money to live for six months.

Right. And we used to all do that. It's a circle. It's really fun too. You get to go. Where do you get to go? Las Vegas, San Francisco, Santa Cruz. You go in a van, you would go in a van or a bus

yeah man and uh and with the u-haul truck and we'd and and it was just so fun like you know and you'd meet so many cool people and then in we and the more you play somewhere the more that town gets to know you and like you and whatever so felonious sponsor is pretty popular in san francisco and and the dead's kids used to come and see us and then all of a sudden they would tell you you know my dad's in the grateful dead i know you probably don't like them and i was like oh my god no i love the dead did people not like the dead because they were they got too popular well punk rock was thought to be against everything i was never against anything i was for something like i was for good music reason why punk rock came along is because music was in such an awful place you got rick wakeman and fucking the owner of a lonely heart and all this horrible music being made and punk rock came on and just wiped it off the map

and that becomes the independent rock you know the indie rock movement which was chili peppers and us and and replacements and hoosker do and black flag and that's the mid-80s meat puppets was all these bands that are like really making a change in america underneath under the radar of the music business. Right. But it's growing and growing. And then Nirvana is kind of the thing that explodes it to the world. Right. So this is before the explosion. And I always think, you know, the New York Dolls were the spark. Right. And Nirvana was the the explosion and in between that is 20 years when you when you see kurt cobain by that point you've seen the cycle of life go by you several

times right do you when you see him are you like fuck that's joe from this other band that i knew and i know what happens no well i mean he was such a great artist so anthony key i used to live in in what's now silver lake the hippest part but no one lived there then and anthony lived in beechwood canyon he came over to my house this is before cell phones right like you didn't really have cell phones in the communication app you just go over imagine going over to somebody's house thinking their car and if their car is in the driveway they're home yeah you just go in and he goes i got something you have to listen to and i said and i started to walk from my front door into the living room with my stereo system

how many times did he how many times did he told you that before had you heard that did he say that every time he came to his house or well usually he was coming to play his songs for me like new demos or something and he wouldn't he didn't come in the house he said no no no we got to go somewhere and listen to this and i was like okay so i just walked out got in his car and we drove to chinatown in los angeles has a hill up above and the sun was setting and you can see all of downtown la kind of by dodger stadium and he looked at me he goes ready and I said yeah and he pushed a cassette in and he turned it up full blast in this Camaro he had and he played teen spirit and I was before it came out and I was like and it ended and

I was just sitting there and we're looking at the sunset and he goes, what do you think? And I said, play it again. And he rewound it. And we listened to it again. And I said, that's that kid from Seattle, isn't it? And he said, yep. Now this is because we're all aware of other artists and songwriting. We do this about Jane's Addiction and Anybody Common and Rage and rage and whatever right the awe of that song and the power and the melody of that song was undeniable you can't and and that was the song that we were all trying to write that's what i believe and i believe paul paul westerberg came closest to it with a song called Unsatisfied. It was a description of how we all felt.

But going to the drug thing specifically, could you hear that guy's a drug addict? I knew he was. I already knew him. Like, Bleach had come out. It wasn't something I still knew I was, like, as good or better than Bleach. You know what I mean? We're all kind of, that's another thing. When you remove competition like the millennials did, nothing is good anymore. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're all kind of, that's another thing. When you remove competition like the millennials did, nothing is good anymore.

Yeah. You know what I mean? We were in competition. It was friendly. That's why manhood, by the way, that's why manhood's taking a dive too because we need competition. It was friendly competition. Yeah. You know what I was, when I was talking to you earlier, I was thinking, I'm not a porn guy, but like people always talk about how bad it is, but I just realized earlier talking to you why i was thinking about i'm not uh i'm not a porn guy but like people always

talk about how bad it is but i just realized earlier talking to you why porn's so bad because um you you the the best thing about competition amongst males is us trying to um you know i use the metaphor juggle more more balls so we can get more chicks you juggle five so i juggle six you juggle seven now i can just give up and just go watch porn and jerk off well the competition's dead the competition's dead it makes us pussies and people are on the internet they don't know how to talk so right part of why we got in bands was girls to meet girls right so part of wait a second part of majority so well i was born i was born to be to chase girls yeah so but watch this so up and up until like 83 or 84 you knew what people in bands looked like and anthony flea were my friends and they looked like people who were in bands right i didn't look like someone who was

in bands right right i'm a nerdy guy with pimples and glasses like they don't have people like this in bands so that thing that i could a path i could take which is become a singer of a band and you'll get respect and accolades and girls will like you and all the stuff that so many people got in bands because of i I couldn't do. Then I went and saw a band called The Replacements in 1983, and I saw a guy who looked just like me. And I was like, holy fuck, he can do it. I remember going home and thinking, I could be in a band. And then Anthony said, yeah, why do you think you can't be in a band?

And I said, because I don't look like you. And he said, oh, you're so stupid. What was the guy's name in The Replacements? Do you remember his name? Paul Westerberg. And that's when you called each other stupid. Now you can't even call each other stupid. You know, that was a stupid idea.

Anthony thought I could be the singer of a band and he had kind of suggested it. Like, you can really sing, you should form a band. I'd be like, oh no, I can't be in a band. Look at me. I didn't say that. But then when I verbalized that to him he's like that's stupid but if that's another reason i believe you have such dumb asses running around thinking they're important because no one's ever called them stupid they're stupid they should have been called stupid their whole lives and they wouldn't be fucking thinking their opinion is important. Right. You know what I mean? I'm serious about this. Oh,

I'm sorry. I hear you loud and clear. I hear you loud and clear. So I formed a band pretty much within a few months from that, that experience of seeing the replacements and that I became a part of the movement of like, and we were getting our opinion out and our opinion was, you know,

freedom. Um, uh, we, we didn't have to sit and talk about personal responsibility. It was just built into the DNA. Like you're responsible for you. Nobody gives a fuck about your excuses. Your excuses don't matter. Get the fuck out of here. I can't even remember a person who, who was an excuse machine like so many these days.

I don't remember people making, like I believe right now, most people get consumed and they latch on to their mental health issues like anxiety or depression or childhood trauma. I believe they latch on to that. And that's such a good excuse to not take action, to not seize the day, to not live life to its fullest. They just have a good excuse and they sit on the sidelines. And we have millions of young people just sitting on the sidelines. They got to get fucking off their ass. Everybody's got childhood trauma. Most people are anxious in social settings. And, you know, my wife is like that. She has like anxiety and she's a really shy person, right? And when she describes things, I just, it's like talking to a Martian to me. I've never felt

insecure. I couldn't wait to get on stage. I've never been nervous in my life, ever, about anything. I've gone out, like, when I went and spoke in Washington, in Wisconsin, in front of 4,000 people, I was talking to the guys that did the organization Don't Die, and they're like, do you have something prepared? And I was like, no. no i'm just gonna fucking talk yeah most people would shit their pants hey do you think that that's um do you think that's a

blissfully ignorant no i think it's learned i think my dad was confident my mom was a college graduate she she was big on preparation my mom was kind of you know what they say the b word she was unbelievably accountable like i had to recite chaucer's canterbury tales in swedish when i was like five years old that like and you had to read a book every week and read one book every week at my house um my my dad was born 1916 1918 my mom was born in uh 1920 and where were they born where were they born 18 and 20 in minnesota oh okay swedish and french um and and that my mom graduated from college you know and when women didn't graduate from college when women did and she had her own business she had a beauty salon in cloquet minnesota um that she operated and ran the business of so she just took no prisoners and you know what would be now described as a tiger mom

that was my mom my mom used to say bobby you could be president united states if you just apply yourself right so we don't raise kids like that anymore. We have a lot of parents. Do you like me? I love you, darling. Do you like me? Do you like mommy? Do you like daddy? And I'm never like that. I tell my kids all the time. Nobody gives a fuck. Get out of my office. I raise pretty emotionally resilient, independent kids. And so when your kids are 22 and they move back home and they won't leave and they won't get a job, understand that you didn't raise an emotionally resilient, independent child.

Right. My son, my older son, he was kind of going through some hard times in 1920 and i just cut him a deal i said i'll help you with your rent and then i don't want to hear you whine right because i figure if you got a place to live you know fucking shut up about everything else and he did and he built a magnificent life for himself if i would have let him move home do you have grandkids here you have one one grandkid oh congratulations i have a three-year-old kid and a one-year-old grandkid that's awesome that's my grandson's up behind the plants up there we um and that's who you know we went to the hollywood bowl together then to the rolling stones most of us together. And it's just amazing that I set out in my own when I was 17.

I've never asked anybody, my family for anything. I've never looked back. I've been homeless. I've been a millionaire. I've been home, you know, down to the ground again and rebuilt. Our business burned down in 2019 in the Woolsey fire i was the one tearing us on like fuck this we're gonna fucking survive this every other rehab in malibu did not survive it rehab malibu rehabs went i think there was 28 before the fire now there's only eight wow right it's hard to rebuild malibu malibu was burned to the ground. Does everybody know that? Yes. Burnt to the fucking living California. You know,

if you live in California, you know, Bob, I got a question for you. Do you know who Byron Katie is? I've heard the name Katie. I don't know why. Cause she has this,

it's just interesting. She has one of her, she's like, she's married to Steven Mitchell who did the translation of the doubt of Chang, like the pocket edition, really famous translation did the translation of the dao de ching like the the pocket edition really famous translation for the dao de ching anyway she has this whole thing that she you know goes through to help people work through their shit but she has this

one line and i bet you've heard it before who would you be without that story right you ask people that and i just wish so many people would like the other day i just used it on my kid the other day who's seven and he fucking got it. He had some excuse for something. And I said, who would you be without that story? And like starting to explain to people like, hey, man, you're telling yourself of the fucking victim story. somewhere without that story i wish see i wish victims would speak out more post victim hoopla right so so what they don't understand is you mean like when they dropped the story and they got past yeah oh i'm not yeah yeah oh it'd be so much i know it would take a lot of courage um and and you'd have to overcome some sense of embarrassment or holding on to that you were right and the other person was wrong. But how do we have forgiveness and how do we have healing if we don't have truth and honesty? Right. Everybody asks me, like, well, especially parents.

I deal with hundreds and thousands of parents all the time. And they ask me, like, what's really the missing ingredient? I said, if I had to say anything that America is lacking is forgiveness and redemption. There's no way to be forgiven or redeemed. And I'm in the redeeming business. I think no matter how far down you've gone, you can be of benefit to someone else having gone through that experience. I've counseled people who have been responsible for the death of other people. I've counseled people who have done just horrible atrocities. I counseled somebody that was a part of multiple deaths there in Oakland. I don't know if you remember that event.

um and the thing is we're living in a retribution society rather than a redemptive society like and if we want retribution all the time it's never gonna fucking end i wonder i wonder what trump's did you yesterday trump said that the being shot at um i'm just a lot of people don't even believe a lot of people believe of a stage but um he says that being shot at um i'm just a lot of people don't even believe a lot of people believe of a stage but um he says that being shot at has um he had has has changed him and that he's going to campaign on peace love and unity did you hear that oh i know his wife his wife said that his wife said that she she released a statement of that yeah this whole thing of things didn't happen sandy hook didn't happen this didn't happen that doesn't happen that's just part of the lack of forgiveness and understanding oh tie the two together for me explain it to me you get a lot of people are saying like hey it was staged i'm like what the fuck do you mean it was staged like he's like hey shoot my ear

well yeah that sounds like they don't even do that shit at cirque du soleil but but conspiracies and all these kind of nonsense. You ever tried to have a real secret between three or four people? It's impossible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do they think they're keeping this child-eating pizza parlor thing under wraps? Well, the thing is, now we've reached a point where you can even tell people the truth and they still won't. Like, there's this picture I always show of this 16 year old boy who weighs

400 pounds and CNN writes in the head and he's so fat, you can't see his ears. And CNN says healthy boy who took all the precautions dies of COVID. And like, you can see with your eyes, with your own discernment that that's not true, but yet people believe. We're told false things all the time.

Clickbait and this sort of thing. But even if you see something, I can tell you I'm going left. And even if I'm going right, half the people will be like, no, I believe what you say, not what I'm seeing. Right. And that's just that's just lack of competitive, competitive thinking. Because you're not taught to think for yourself anymore. You're taught to talk to think and group think and what is right. Think and you're indoctrinated into thinking. None of my kids are going to go to college.

None of them. They don't need to. Fuck that. You can learn all. Here's the thing. This is a thing a friend of mine has been saying about education for 20 years. In the age of technology,

you can go to some dumbass Cal State and hear a guy who's burnt out, who had a passion for science, talk about the Big Bang Theory. Or you can just watch the guy who thought of the theory on a video and really take it in. You know, go watch Stephen a constructive conversation about it. Right. You can't have constructive conversations with people who don't think you can't. Right. So Gaza, for instance, I say, you know, one of the biggest atrocities that ever was on my lifetime on the American public was the invasion of Iraq. We killed two million Iraqi civilians, the United States of America. We have no we should have no say in what other people fucking do. And where were all those kids when we were killing iraqi children fuck you you know what i mean and they never found and they told us it was for weapons of

mass destruction which they never found is that the they knew it they wanted to get a hold of that of that piece of land that even alexander the great wanted a part of that piece of land that even Alexander the Great wanted a part of that piece of land. He failed. Alexander the Great couldn't conquer that region. A bunch of dumbasses that enrolled in the army to get out of the inner city are not going to be able to come up with a solution for that. And people who are willing to die, like I always envision, I always switch the thing. If Iraq invaded Southern California, would I die for Southern California? Yes.

I'd die for my family. I'd do anything I could to keep these occupiers and these destroyers of my place where I was born, my children were born. I would do anything. And then we're shocked that they're blowing us up over there with IUDs? Are you fucking kidding me? What if they came to Santa Cruz? What if they came and invaded our country? No one thinks like that.

There's no critical thinking. I understand why they did what they did. We invaded a sovereign nation. Does the word sovereign mean anything to the United States government? Or only when it benefits the United States government? I always say this great thing that I said last night to my father-in-law. America is the greatest country that I believe in the Western European evolution. It's the greatest, most free country. It's where jazz was invented. It was where

you could be born into the most disenfranchised poverty and become the most successful in your lifetime. You can't do that in India. You're born into a fucking caste system that means you just do that

for the rest of your life. You know what I mean? Hey, there's a comedian who's like, hey, how can you say the United States is racist? It's the least racist country in the world. The whole premise of France is that it's racist. The whole premise of Armenia is that it's racist. The whole premise of

India is that it's racist. Listen, you motherfuckers, don't talk shit about us. But the United States't talk shit about the United States government is separate from the United States people. Well, that's not it is a separate entity. And this goes back to, you know, Dwight D. Eisenhower on his leaving of office, tried to warn the American public. And he was a Republican, by the way.

You need to be very, very conscious of the military industrial complex. I think Nixon warned it on his way out, too. propaganda that obviously came from Iran and China wants to mix it up with our population. But Iran, Saudi Arabia, that's what's been propagandized on college campuses. Like these people are being sold a bag of goods. And certainly what's happening in Gaza is awful. I'm not denying that. It's awful. Why don't we worry about the awful we do? Right. Why don't we hold our elected officials accountable for the awful we do? Well, they can't even protect protect Trump, but they're sending five billion dollars to a hundred billion dollars or five hundred billion dollars to Ukraine for security issues. Right. And I was on that the other day. I think we're going to be in. I think it's I.

I saw him raise his fist and say fight. And I was like, that guy is going to be the next president. I'd say there's no doubt about that. And I think he knew it. He's such a huckster. He knew what he did in that moment mattered. And and most politicians wouldn't they wouldn't they'd be able to grab the baby and hid behind it yeah

but um but but so so now what does that look like and what happens to oh i think his phone died or he got a phone call put in your bets now his phone died or he got a phone call? Put in your bets now. His phone died or he got a phone call? I think it's battery died. So there's this test, that DNA for addiction test, and Sarah sent one over to Taylor, and he's going to take the test.

sent one over to Taylor and he's going to take the test. And, uh, you think, you think, uh, Kristen thinks Trump chubbed up when he got shot. Um, uh, um, uh, Taylor's going to take the test and then get the results back and we we'll have Bob on, and we'll have Bob talk and Taylor talk. It's going to be wild. And I remember – I wonder if I can get Rich Froning to do it too because I remember Rich Froning saying that he comes from a family with addiction and that he thinks fitness is his kind of like supplement for addiction. All right. That was a good podcast. alright that was a good podcast I think his phone died

uh Sousa which is kinda good cause I have to pee so bad I have a video Of a fat guy Fighting a guy in a wheelchair Fat guy Versus A guy in a wheelchair who do you think wins it's a great video ready here we go

for your viewing pleasure brought to you by DNA for addiction. Okay. Here we go. Uh, you guys ready? Fat guy with a gun versus man in wheelchair. And they're off. Guy in wheelchair grabs for gun.

Look at this. The struggle's real. He got his gun. Guy in wheelchair. Look at that. Is that a guy wearing a bulletproof vest? That thing's crazy. Look, they're fighting. So finally he gives up.

He's winded. Fat guy's winded. He's toasted he's toast yeah good good job chief nation fat guy tires out yep look at this guy and then bam partner comes in and shoots him crazy right i'm gonna give the victory to the guy in the wheelchair Damn Damn Bob oh hi Hey now what happened something happened

I think um I think Yeah did your phone die? Something's going wrong. I don't know why. Can you hear me now? I can hear you now. Yeah.

You can hear me. Yeah. I don't know what happened there for a second. Glitched. Did your, uh, did your battery die in your phone? No,

it's working. Everything was working. I was seeing the thing you were putting up. Anyways, the point was that I, did you like the intermission? Did you like it? Yeah. Yeah. I was seeing the thing you were putting up. Anyways, the point was that I, did you like the intermission? Did you like it? Yeah. Yeah. That was intermission. So it's a bridge too far for me to go that way. I'm just,

I'm always thinking ahead, like what's next, what's coming? Is the independent movement going to rise up and, and kind of be something that is significant? This might be the thing that causes that everything evolves. Everything is cause and effect and you know and you have a huge part of the population is so turned off by by politics they don't even vote what would get them re-engaged right maybe not a maybe a three-party system right god something more than just a two-party system yeah but anyways i i just think it's an exciting it's always an exciting time to be alive if you pay attention yes it's just i but

i i love to say the internet's a great tool it's wonderful it's we're able to communicate like this right we're able to go see the first thing i ever saw on the internet uh my son we had gotten earthlink and my son elijah hooked it up and and uh he was like 10 years old and a little tech whiz and he said he's sitting at the keyboard and he said where do you want to go dad and that's the old days of the big you know fat screened uh computer and i said uh the deschamps exhibit at the Philadelphia Museum of Art. And he typed it in and we went there and it was in a really, you know, most basic internet thing. This is 1996, 97.

And we could go and see the greatest works of modern art to me, nude descending a staircase and, and, and just explore the world. You could go anywhere. I remember just, we would just sit there for hours going places on the internet and exploring what was available to you. It was so fascinating and amazing, right? That's why there was so much promise about what's to come from the internet, right? And everybody having it. And then it became a business tool and then it became a business tool, and then it became an educational tool. And now there's one component of it, which is social media, that is wholly destructive to civilization. It is destructive.

I don't allow my children on it. I'm not on it. And guess what? I get all the news just the same. I get to keep up with my family members and friends. I know everything. Every reason people give for being on Facebook, I experience and I'm not on Facebook. So, oh my God, it's possible to live without Facebook. Right. Right. And so, and you just remove that from your life and you really don't get brainwashed by how everything's staged or everything's a conspiracy and you're not reading dumb asses opinions about things you're just free

to like explore conversations with people you find interesting and and and you know spend more time with your children you know you go to a restaurant the kids are on devices and the parents are on devices and it's just like what the hell it's just like, what the hell, why'd you come out? You guys could have just stayed home. Right. You know, I noticed that I talked to everybody, wherever I go, the dry cleaners are like people in line at the supermarket or whatever. And, and more and more people are open to conversation. There was a time four or five, six, seven years ago,

where people were becoming closed. They'd be a little guarded. Like, why is somebody talking to me? And I'm excited to know that people are more open, I think, post COVID to conversation. Oh, good. Right. Yeah. You know, my male lady, like I just, you know, she doesn't abide by the rules because we live on a rural road and there's a box down at the end by the driveway. And if I'm driving by and she has a package that doesn't fit in the thing and she's supposed to write a note and I'm supposed to go to the post office, she'll just say, Bob, and I'll stop. And she goes, I got a package that doesn't fit in the compartment. That kind of community, I don't think millennials know. I don't think they do. That the mail lady actually breaks the law to be more loving and kind and helpful to me and my family that we don't have to go down to the post office

and wait in line to pick up a box. But by the way, what was that box? Would you like to know? It's an autographed basketball by Gail Goodrich, one of the Los Angeles Lakers. Oh, wow. You ordered it? No, I bought it on eBay.

I do this thing on eBay where I bid on really cool shit, the lowest bid, and then I forget about it. I didn't even know eBay was still around. Yeah, eBay. I won an autographed basketball by Gail Goodrich, the guard on the 72 Lakers that are the greatest basketball team in history with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain. We got an autographed ball by Gail Goodrich, and that was the package that didn't fit in the thing. And I think that when I hear young people say they don't care if they live or die, it's one of the saddest things.

And I know that the pessimism that social media creates in people is part of it. It's a component of it. And so it's easy. My kids aren't allowed to be on it. It's really effing easy, right? I'm in charge of my kids until they turn 18. They're not allowed to be on it. You know, some parents would be like, well, like, no no there's no reason to be on it uh ken walters i buy 500 items a month no i sell 500 items a month on ebay wow oh and he also said he'll buy your basketball from you if you want to sell it i'm a big i'm a big uh sports fan we didn't get into that. I don't know why. It's obviously childhood trauma. I watched that Argentina soccer game last night and I was rooting for Columbia. Historically, Americans

don't really know that much about football, which is the passion sport of the world. Of course, Americans aren't interested in it because we're not interested in the world. Um, but, but 30 years ago, uh, Columbia lost the world cup. Um, and the goalie led a penalty kick, I believe. I don't know the exact details, but when he got back to Columbia, they murdered him, uh, Pablo Escobar. So I was joking with my kids last night. These guys have to win. They're going to get killed if they go back there. They don't win. And my daughter started believing it.

Really? They're going to die because she loves Messi and she was rooting for Argentina. I was like, no, Sid. It was a long time ago. Pablo Escobar killed him. He's dead. And it's a different world back then. But I was rooting for Colombia because that's

that kind of redemption. Who won? Argentina did. Martinez got a goal in the overtime period. It was sad. Those poor Colombians.

But at least they don't have to worry about being murdered when they go back to Colombia. it doesn't happen anymore no no there's no cocaine anymore it's all fentanyl and meth created here in the united states with you know man-made products that are making people insane killing people bob would you um would you be willing to come back on as someone opens a test and we talk to them about their results? Oh, I'd love to. Yeah. So let's wrap up about the, about the test. It's a tool. It's a tool and it can give me a little insight, a little insight about yourself and it can, you can use it to talk to your kids. That's what I truly believe. Right. Can you hear me or did it cut out?

Nope, nope. I hear you. I hear you. Okay. I'm just looking at the website. I really believe it's a tool. Is it going to solve your problem? No.

You're going to solve your problem. I say that to every client. I've had probably 20,000 clients in my lifetime. I always say, you have the solution inside you. Inside you is the solution. The problem is you are the problem too. So I'm here as a third party to kind of battle with you within you, help you battle logic and reason and impulses and compulsives and anxiety and depression.

I'm here as your ally for you to fight you. And once you overcome that and conquer this inner kind of turmoil you have, you're then going to go help somebody else conquer that turmoil. And it's the most powerful thing to watch. I have clients that no one wanted to even talk to that now have dedicated their lives to helping people get off drugs it's usually ironically it's usually the worst of the worst that end up helping i don't know what that's about but i was i was pretty much one of the worst of the worst

um you know that i'll tell you two interesting things shane mcgowan is one of the wildest craziest addict legends in music he just passed away last year his funeral was he was held in whatever like he was a political figure in ireland like uh he sat in what is it called where you're like kennedy sat after his assassination where the whole country mourned shane mcgowan's death the whole country ofned Shane McGowan's death, the whole country of Ireland. Then he was a friend of mine and they were doing an intervention on him. And I happened to be with him at the time. And it was really not a wonderful place to be. A bunch of people walk in, including Shane's wife and some friends. And we're drinking at like 11 o'clock in the morning and they're

doing an intervention on him. And I'm in the room and I'm trying to get out of the room, but I can't get out. And I'm just like drunk and high. And at that intervention, Shane said, so this is one of those things where like you want me to go to the hospital and get off drugs. And, uh, and his wife said, yeah. And he goes, you know, you know, could really use that as Bob. Oh shit. you know you know could really use that is bob oh shit and the whole room who hated me to begin with looked at me like holy fuck and so i'm one of the few people that thought shane mcgallan

thought i was worse than him that's like legendary worse like it's you don't doesn't get much crazier and worse than us and the second thing was really quick someone in the comments asked what's the website um it's dna number four addiction here i'll put it in the um yeah yeah okay so what's the second test and you can see if you're sensitive to light and sound it may explain some things for you and you can kind of use it as a tool with your kids so the second one was so years later after i get sober somebody says to me you know everybody we kind of had a poll like one night and i was like what about and he goes i hate to tell you and i said what and he was it was like and he named all the people like six or eight friends of ours and um and was morbid and stark, and I'm not proud of it.

But we did kind of bet which of you was going to die, more likely to die first, Anthony or you. And I was like, what? So friends of ours sat around one night getting drunk, and the subject of me and Anthony came up, and they decided to poll who they thought of the two of us was going to die first and it was 62 me wow is that right do you think that they got it right were you more likely

to die I don't know we're both alive and then I tell Anthony that and he's like there's a lot of and he was wanting to know the people I don't know the people that were there I know two of them and they're still alive and he's like i bet you some of the people that said one of us is gonna die or dead yeah hey knowing you you were probably excited you won you're like yes i won so yeah use the dna prediction as a tool and and it explains a lot if you if you find any other people who you think um i don't need to mean to say that they're famous but that they people would be interested on whether and they'd be willing to take the test and come on yeah i'd like to do a bunch of those i'd like to just see how people reacted and navigate and i think it could be a fun little youtube series you know they have this youtube series where they take someone famous and they give them the hottest hot wings in the world and they eat it.

And they ask, this would be a cool one just to be like, you know, have someone on and Taylor, you know, this guy, Taylor, who's, who's famous in the CrossFit community. If his test comes up positive, he can be like, yeah, you know, and he's very open. He'll be like, yeah, my dad was a drug addict and I used to be in rehab and we can kind of, and there can be a discussion that you could have with him that other people then could benefit from. We can talk about how to navigate it, what he should tell his kids. He may have questions for you. It could be a really cool series. Right. I'd love to do it. You know, I saw that. I just saw that hot wings when the Billie Eilish was on there the other day and was all flirting with the girl that was hosting it. No. Did you see that i was uh no i see everything see because i don't have social media everyone sends me everything via text they're like oh see this because they're trying to fill me in on all this stuff i'm missing out on not being on facebook and instagram and twitter and i just found out who billy eilish was i was interviewing

someone uh about six months ago and i'd never heard of Billie Eilish. I thought it was an actress, but I guess she's a singer. And I listened to like two of her songs. And it was the first time in my life I felt suicidal. Like, wow, this is tough. Well, that's a whole new movement. Like she's she's pretty well-rounded. She has depressing songs. She's pretty well-rounded.

She has depressing songs. But there's a whole movement of extension, ex-extension, Little Peep, Juice WRLD. All their music is so depressing. It's like they talk about suicide constantly. And three of them are dead. Wow. Like Little Peep was like kind of an originator of this new kind of music.

It was very depressing, very self-pitying, very slow, very soft, very melodic, kind of to a hip-hop beat. And he died of a drug overdose on his tour bus in Tucson, Arizona, at 21 years old. This has got to stop, man. This fucking celebration of stupidity and death has got to stop. And the way you do it is little by little, little conversations, little, you know. I have kids tell me, well, I don't think life's worth living without drugs.

I said, how the fuck would you know? That's an honest, how would you know? You suspect life isn't worth living without drugs. Why don't you be off drugs for a year or two and see if you still feel that way? Right. Creative conversations with people. It's important that conversation is,

it's the lost art of America. Are you training these days? Do you do any training these days? Speaking of, I did take the training for nonviolent communication. It's another very interesting. No, I mean,

physical training. Oh, Oh no, I got three kids. I'm always going. take the training for non-violent communication it's another very interesting no i mean physical training oh oh no i got three kids i'm always going all right all right good all right good yeah i mean i go go go yeah you look good you didn't get you didn't get fat while the rest of america got fat good on you no i talked about in my last podcast i think it's empty so i went on a health kick kind of I don't know when I get a little chubby I go on a health kick and I right I'm 63 no how tall how tall Oh 5 5 11 I was but I'm down to 5 10 I was 186 now and I got down to 174 right so that's skinny. That's good.

So, but I have all the drops. Like the chili peppers are big health nuts and drops. And I did stem cells for a long time. And I'm really, you know, curious about everything. I'm curious about that. So, but then I'm lazy too. So, I do all the drops. I'm eating right.

I'm not eating what the kids eat and i'm doing it and i really get healthy so i get them for the morning you feel different when you eat healthy you just do yeah you just feel strong and different and then i'm just lazy and i just fall off and then i you know the drops are time consuming you know about drops like all the different do you know khalil that does sun life organics no he's a kind of a famous nutritionist to the stars or whatever he has a great book i helped him get sober and and um he became a like this fitness nut but mostly he has health food stores and nutrition for people. Is he a doctor? No, but he's obsessed with...

He's the first person who told me about turmeric. I was drinking turmeric like 10 years ago. Because I have all these broken bones and stuff and inflammatory. As you get older, you need anti-inflammatories. Stem cells do really good with that for 90 days and then you're back to where you were but um but so so i have access and i have cupboards full of shit that sun life organics has given me and and so i went on this kick and i got healthy and as soon as i start to feel healthy that addict in me that dummy in me that baby in me that that anti-social

in me just says well let's get some 50 mark 50s cotton candy ice cream let's get some of that because you're healthy now i do it every time is did you say sunlight organics they're at a malibu yeah okay yeah they're everywhere they're he a malibu yeah okay yeah they're everywhere they're he moved to austin texas they're in austin texas they're in denver colorado they're everywhere but he also gives me all the stuff that he's coming up with like um he has some of the greatest natural drinks um you know anyways so i can be healthy i know how to be healthy and i have the resources to be healthy they're in my cupboards but i it's just so time consuming like you know if you got to get your kids to school at eight o'clock and then you got to be at work when you come back at nine

the 20 minutes it takes to blend everything and do all that i just i'm not disciplined enough to do it and i apologize to all your listeners who are i'm in awe of you but i do pretty good just kind of trying yeah you look good you look good dude you're not fat i mean that's huge you got great hair that's huge i didn't i didn't plan on living this long and here i am still relatively healthy the other thing is about how slow people walk like i'm a fast walker because i don't know why i just feel like walking we got to get there and uh i'm so fascinated by how people just it just seems like cows in a field just walking and grazing and i'm not not even talking about weight or whatever they're just they're just so kind of lost in in their walking just doing nothing and i'm always like zigzagging in and

around them like what the hell are you fucking taking so long for and i realize the world's just not wired like me anymore and it's fun because i am and i always tell kids if you're wired like me if you're like wild and passionate for everything and madness and whatever, you're going to lap these people because these people just waddle along. They don't even know what they want in life. If you know what you want in life, if you know your purpose, you're doubly, triply likely to succeed at it because there's so many laps in the world now used to be everybody was like that so it was hard competition was hard right right you had to outdo and it was everything was really you know fight for the brass ring and stuff because everybody won the brass ring i think like two-thirds of the population doesn't even know there's a brass ring

they don't even know it they're just like blah blah blah yeah yeah wake up wake up be here now wake up so be here now is the sun life organics logo i think it's probably on that thing and john lennon said it but it's actually a ram das saying and um and so i said it to Khalil and then all of a sudden I go into Sun Life in Malibu and there's T-shirts that say be here now. And I say, are you going to give Ram Dass commission on that or John Lennon's estate or me? Because you never heard that term be here now. I'll never forget. Do you remember the first person who showed you this book? I'll never forget. Someone gave me this book when I was 22. I've probably given away 20 copies of this book in my life. Right.

Do you remember who gave you your first copy? I think it was this guy named Jose Garcia. My friend Luis's older brother had it, and he's the one that told me to get it. What an awesome book, huh? Luis's older brother had it and he's the one that told me to get it. But, but yeah. And, but then I went into deep rabbit hole for a couple of years of Buddhism and I had a teacher named Shenzhen young and, and, and I, inevitably I got down the road so far with Buddhism and meditation. I really started to understand the concept of

non-attachment and i had to be honest my goal is not non-attachment i like attachment i think the human condition part of it is compulsed to attach love and be loved um so i just felt like a fraud the more i went down and you get pious about how long you can sit and how straight up you can sit and the whole spiritual thing in america is very it's a day there's a dangerous edge to it where you're just spiritually bragging you know what i mean i see i see russell brand i see russell brand walk that line yeah yeah it's hard to not be not be arrogant uh uh when you're really disciplining yourself had a tremendous thing i would meditate three hours a day three times a day one hour a day sitting upright right and and it's hard like when you see everybody else like oh

they gotta do is like wish it and it comes true and you're trying to live a disciplined life but i really realized what i was it helped me a lot calm down and center myself but at the end it wasn't something that i desired i love this world that we've created as human society. I love it. I love movies and books and knowledge and power and interesting and how to love and be loved. I'm fascinated by all the things that are attachment. So why should I practice a spirituality that's hypocritical? You know what I mean? i like what um uh around that thought i like what um eckhart tolle says around stuff like that by the way he called the pandemic the so-called pandemic he was the only guru that i saw and the whole marianne williamson deepak chopra

all those stoic fucktards they all fucking listened to their mind and ran with the fear none of them none of them actually practiced what they preach, but totally did. But totally would totally would say this around what you said. If you're attached, can you accept the fact that you're attached? And it's like, that's where that sounds more like where you're at. Like, Hey, it's just, it's at the next level is just, is, is in a form of acceptance. Right. Yeah. And that's where you're at. You're at your acceptance. Yeah. Self just knows to

thine own self be true. Right. Meaning I know me. I'm not, I'm not anxious. I'm not depressed. I like getting up in the morning. I don't blame other people for my problems. Yeah. Um, if you can just get to that place and was I like this always? No, but you can get to a place of and i think age has something to do with it i think that you get wiser with age i think you can you can knowing many get more stubborn but yeah they get fixed and well they get disappointed a lot of my friends get disappointed like i don't have any expectations a lot of times, so I don't get disappointed. Right. I did when I was when I was flying high and I kind of was doing economically the best I had done in a long time in the late 2000s, I became kind of depressed. Like it didn't seem like it was a full and abundant life. Yeah, I could go anywhere and do anything. And I was single and I didn't have to

account to anybody and I could do whatever I wanted. It wasn't that I didn't know how to use the abundance that was given me, but it wasn't fulfilling. So I came back down to earth. I moved back to Los Angeles and I ended up falling in love and kind of creating this kind of interesting world that everyone my age said oh my god i can't imagine what it's like to have kids at your age and i said well then that's why you shouldn't have kids at our age but me i love it i'm a better parent now than i was 30 years ago for fucking sure i have two five two seven year olds and a nine year old i love it absolutely love it a lot of work i'm moving a lot physically it's a lot of work but i love it yeah yeah i just think that it's it's it's not

for everybody and you'll get a lot of criticism from people my wife's much younger than me or whatever i know this is a horrible subject you know that this interesting statistic came up my wife has a master's degree in education so so it's just like it doesn't she gets really offended when people talk about our 20 year age gap or whatever but i don't like whatever people have opinions about every fucking thing. Right. But 60, this is a crazy statistic. You can look it up. 60% of millennial males report being single. Only 30% of millennial females report being single.

Oh, wow. And so statistically, how does that work? Because you're talking about within an 18-year age bracket. It's because a lot of smart millennials are dating people who are older than them because you can't live at your boyfriend's parents' house. Right, right. But I remember somebody saying, what explains this, Bob? And I said, I think it's pretty self-explanatory. They're not dating people eight years old.

So they're dating people older than the 18 year generation gap. I think it shows a smart woman who dates an older man. Yeah. I mean, you know, we, and we talk about it like, you know,

I think I got 20 solid good years left. I have an energy that very few 63 year olds have, but you know, there's a finite, you know, age catches up with everybody um so 20 years she'll be as bob won another wife no no listen to this though when i'm 80 she'll be 59 right yeah um i was like well you might take everything we've got and go have fun like just

go have fun and be free and she's like i think i think i'll be over for me by then hey bob could you hold on one minute i have to pee you have to pee yeah no i'm good okay i'm gonna pee hold on one second i'm gonna play a little commercial my name is jose Bocanegra. I'm originally from Mexico. I'm 27, and I go to Salty Ive CrossFit. When I came in here, I was 195, almost 200 pounds, and I had never been that heavy, like ever.

And then I got in here, started eating well. You know, we have the consistency is key. That's always always I don't know I give it since I heard it here like it was always in my head and it didn't just apply to the gym I applied to my eating habits to my workouts to even like just work school consistency is key so I started eating healthier started avoiding sugars I started avoiding candy because I love candy. I try to avoid it as much as possible, and I'm now 169 pounds this morning, actually. And I don't feel skinny either.

It's like I'm actually fit, which is awesome, you know? I think it's the most fit I've ever been in my entire life, regardless of playing soccer in high school. I'm actually trying for a while to get my dad in here because he struggled with obesity. So throughout his life, what I tell him all the time is like, you got to get in here because it's not just the gym. It's not just, it's not just you get in there and people may be just judging you for what you're doing. No, it's a community. It's somewhere where they'll help you

actually improve and not just lose weight and actually get strong and actually get fit. And it's, it's so much more than a gym that's what i tell him oh i'm relieved how are you really oh man i just got a news report so there was a mom here in southern california in canoga park um was a mom here in Southern California in Canoga Park. Was a fentanyl addict. She left some fentanyl out and her twin three-year-old toddlers ingested it. One of them died at the scene. This happened four days ago. I just got a news report.

The second child died. She's being charged with murder. Her life is over. Looks like upper middle class or middle class working mom. Her life is over. What city? Canoga Park. And she's probably going to be, three-year-old dies after suspected drug overdose. Yeah, now the brother, now the second child just died a few minutes ago.

This is happening in America every day. Kids, toddlers ingesting the drugs that their parents leave around. Oh my God. And I can tell you a story. So when I was four years sober, you have emotional, there's emotional release points, I call them. People call them high risk relapse things.

I just think there's emotional, it's, you know, if you're an onion in sobriety and you're peeling yourself and you're getting to deeper layers, a lot of times that, that process is very exciting and pain free, right? Yeah. Sometimes it's devastating and painful. And there are certain events where you discover things about yourself this is something about my family i just felt like i was it went through an eight month period of time where i was seeing just the hypocrisy and everything and how full of shit my mom was and like i was angry and so you're we just call it peeling the onion right and but there's the high high risk it tends

to be at the four and five year point in sobriety of relapse a lot of people if you can get sober and get on the other side of it and get a good groove going on you pretty much sail along and it's called the pink cloud or and people just like are so excited those are the people that proselytize sobriety so much to other people they're so excited about it everything has has been great. Everything's going right. Inevitably, life and your trauma catches up with you, right? So I went through this period where I got so dark that it led to the best part of my life and why we're here right now. But it got really dark. And my son told me that he swears he didn't say he hated me, but I think he did. But it was so emotional between him and I.

We were living together, and he was going out on his own, and he was turning 15, and he was like, fuck you all the time to me. And it was real intense. Probably what happens right nowadays that like 18 19 20 it happened with my son when he was 15 he would not come home at night he's like i'm an adult i don't account to you and just like really having problems with him which the relationship with him was some such a big part of my sobriety to gain custody of him and be sober dad and all this. And now we're butting heads constantly. So there was that. I had had an easement argument with my neighbor.

We had a shared driveway, but her part of her property, this is in Echo Park, it's a 150-year-old area of Los Angeles. And her part of her property, she couldn't get to her garage and driveway. They had cemented it up, but mine I could. And we had this argument over the driveway for years. And finally, I just went to court and I applied for easement that the driveway was mine because she couldn't access her thing. And it was a war and it was a petty, stupid thing I did. And she reported my house to the building inspectors.

And my house was built in 1888. So it really wasn't up to Los Angeles. You know what I mean? Yeah. My home was condemned. Oh shit. While you were living in it. While I was living in it until it got all this repairs done and this

earthquake proofing and all this kind of stuff. So I invited it myself fucking arguing with my neighbor, like a selfish asshole. My son tells me he hates me and wants to move back to his mom's house. And then my long-term relationship that I had had high and in my music career, we've gotten sober together and been together for years. I'd alienated her and she left me for another guy, a French guy, too, to top it all off.

That's barely a man. That's barely a guy. French guys are barely a guy. She turned lesbian. She turned lesbian. So I lost my relationship. My son told me he hated me and my house was condemned. So it was a dark time in my life.

You got to understand. Yeah. So I kind of stopped going to meetings, stopped talking to everybody, just sat, didn't take a shower, didn't really do anything, watch television. And I eventually broke and I went and bought drugs. I bought heroin and crack cocaine. I brought it home. I was four and a half years old when I brought it home. And I was sitting there and I took the heroin out. And I hadn't done heroin in five years. And it just smelled awful.

And I just couldn't do it. In every way, I couldn't follow through with it. So I took the heroin balloon and I kind of crinkled it back into the plastic. And I went out my back door and I just threw it in the backyard to get it out of my house. And I crushed up the crack and flushed it down the toilet and um and then inevitably i had told somebody in aa that i'd gotten higher i was going to get high and a bunch of my friends came over to my house like later that night like eight or nine o'clock. I had done, I bought the drugs about four. And they were like, and my friend Alexis, like, where is it?

And I was like, I threw it in the backyard. Like, what are you guys doing? I felt put upon, but I also felt loved. You know that feeling? Right, yeah. Put upon, embarrassed, but loved and cared about. Yeah. So we're going to the backyard and we're looking for the heroin

that I throw in the backyard. I turn the lights on on we got flashlights and trying to find it to get rid of it and throw it away or whatever and then i look over and i had a german shepherd dog and it was unconscious oh shit my dog my dog had eaten the heroin wow and overdose and i was like bella her name was i loved a band called bell and sebastian i had one dog named sebastian one dog named bell and i was bella get up and she's just her tongue's hanging out she was breathing but her tongue's hanging out her eyes are rolling back and so i pick her up and she's a big fucking 90 pound german shepherd and i carry her in my car and i go to this emergence i know pet hospitals because uh flea worked in the pet

hospital actually there's a pet hospital you know pretty far from my house uh that's open 24 hours i go to this hospital i'm walking in and i'm realizing like what do i tell them yeah yeah what did you tell them my dog i said my dog ingested some prescription drugs oh yeah yeah and they flushed her stomach and they got her like she stayed overnight but um so she ate a quarter gram of heroin she was 90 pound dog and she didn't die and she had probably been high she had probably ingested it hours before, right? And the reason I tell this story is a quarter gram of heroin couldn't kill a 90-pound dog. A tiny little speck of fentanyl can kill two children.

Wow. It's a dangerous time right now in drugs in america it's a dangerous time and and this woman's been charged with murder i don't you know i don't know we get so uppity about like what we're gonna punish people for like distracted driving and parents who whose children die she's already been sentenced to death oh yeah her life's over right her life's over you really want to put her in prison for 20 years on top of that i don't know hey she's only she's only 22 i know it's just fucking devastating man we you know so what we need to do is make more moms and dads aware that if they got fentanyl

around the house fucking put it away keep it safe keep it locked away just the same way we do about guns a two-year-old in lancaster died from being exposed to fentanyl just earlier in the year damn it's happening everywhere so you know these drugs deadly. They couldn't kill a 90 pound German shepherd in 19 and 2001, but they can tell kill two kids who probably ingested just the tiniest amount. Um, and, and now this woman's life is over. So people beware fentanyl is, i i made some shirts it became very popular uh it says fuck fentanyl i'm pretty direct about things with marketing like fuck fentanyl and i wear it my daughter is like are you really gonna wear that shirt and i was like yeah people sometimes you need to beat people over the head with something you You know, fuck fentanyl.

Mike Olivas, a pool boy. I met a French dude at a CrossFit gym I visited in Sydney. I won't lie, his accent gave me an erection. Fair enough. I'm glad you got that off your chest. I'm telling you. How about this, how weird my life is? I am like Zellig or some weird. I love life because I'm curious of what's going

to happen next years later that guy was married to a girl not my ex who established a drug problem my ex called me and said hey is there any way you would talk to so-and-so and i was like sure and i talked to him and i helped him get his wife's clean so forgiveness people yeah fucking forgiveness oh heidi has a good question is the dog a drug addict now no but we can get the dna for addiction test you know she was a german shepherd she passed out at about nine years old. It's sad with German Shepherds and their hips and stuff like that, and they can't get up. She was big. She was a big German Shepherd.

I always have dogs. I got one now called Snowball. How about the fact that I got kids? They all want to get a dog. I said, what kind of dog? They said a bulldog because they saw a bulldog on tv or something we get a bulldog no one likes the bulldog so then it becomes my it's named peppa pig right and peppa pig you know nobody played with it i felt sad for it just

kind of wander around this big husky pit uh bulldog and bulldogs can't be outside that much in Southern California because it's too hot. They get really bad. So he's in the house a lot and in the kennel. And it's just sad. So then my older son Elijah took Papa because nobody liked it. So then we decided we had a family meeting. We're going to get a real dog.

And we go and get this dog, me and my daughter. She loved it. Rambunctious two-year-old dog who got it at the pound and then it's too wild and nobody likes that dog now it's just my dog i always end up with the dogs oh that's good yeah yeah yeah yeah that's part of having kids that's part of having kids that's part of having the cats i don't have to take care of the cats i don't the fish tanks i'm responsible for the fish tanks the cat boxes and the dog not bad for a house filled with animals yeah bob uh yeah i can't wait to have you on again i can't wait to get yeah come on i love talking about this stuff okay fantastic and i'll

tell you this and i heard it at naimi we're not telling you to change your orbit just change one tiny little thing and it will change everything one tiny little thing and it will change everything you know people think change is this big monstr monstrous, scary thing. No, we're just asking you to change one little thing. Don't take fentanyl. Right? Don't eat tons of sugar. Any little thing, Russ. Don't smoke.

Right? And it changes everything over time. You start orbiting like a different planet. A little bit of change. And you could even do this wake up one hour earlier go to bed two hours earlier yeah you know what i mean you sleep well and you can just write people's lifestyle people who go to bed earlier probably have a uh it's probably a first step to like not doing bad things people smoke more at night eat more shit at night probably do more drugs at

night probably drink more alcohol at night so even do more drugs at night, probably drink more alcohol at night. So even just along those lines of changing things, like, hey, if you can just change something and get a new habit in your life. Read a couple pages of a book. And the last thing I'll say is, as I got older, I got tired in the middle of the day and I felt ashamed of napping. Don't be ashamed of napping. I nap every day between three and four or four and five every day. It's the time of the day when nobody needs me for anything. I'm a big napper. Me too.

20 minutes a day. Love you, Bob. Talk to you soon, brother. Bob Forrest, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, dude. Bye-bye. Yeah, talk to you very soon. Man with a wealth of experience and gentlemen. Thank you, dude. Yeah, talk to you very soon. Man with a wealth

of experience and knowledge. He should probably be on for like five three-hour episodes. I wanted to talk more about the test, but there's so much we can talk about. I have to do this really quick. I have to do this really quick. I have to call. Hi, good morning.

Good morning. Hi. I called and left a message last night. We don't have water at my house. Something's going on with my well and my pump. I looked at it. Everything looks fine. But I was wondering, could you send someone out today to take a look at it?

We cannot send anybody out today, unfortunately. We could maybe get somebody out there tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, the sooner the better. Do you have any advice for me? Am I calling the right place? Is this the right place? That's your specialty? Yes, the sooner the better. Do you have any advice for me? Am I calling the right place? Is this the right place? That's your specialty? Yes, you are.

Sorry, I don't know the one who had listened to your message. Oh, okay. Could I schedule a time for tomorrow? What was the address that you're in? Hold on one second. Okay. Hold on one second. Okay. Because we have no water in the house.

You got to poop in the yard now. That's it. That was supposed to make you laugh. I'm glad it did. I'm just right up old San Jose Road by the high school. Okay, well, hold on for a second. I'm going to transfer you to my... Okay, thank you. Hi, sorry.

Long list of people that I'm trying to get through messages still this morning. We had a guy call out with an emergency this morning and another guy who unfortunately broke his arm so he's not to be in for a while. So we're a little short staffed. Okay. So I can try to get

somebody out there tomorrow. We're just super short staffed so we're kind of running a little behind. Okay. I don't want to, I've heard nothing but good things about you, but is there someone else I should call in town? I really hate referring people out. Okay, yeah, then don't do it.

Then that's fine. No, there's... We just don't have water, you know, and it's just... We don't have water. Yeah, it's just crazy because we're on a well here, out here. Of course.

So... But my neighbor's like, dude, you got to call Capitola Pump. They're the best. So I can hang in one more day. I promise you I'll be a great customer. I'll pay the bills on time. I'd love to hear that. So yeah, I'll do my best to try to get you out there tomorrow. If not Wednesday, if you think you can hold out that long.

Okay. All right. Should I call again tomorrow morning and double check? You can. I might have a better idea. I had one guy call out with an emergency dental appointment, so I should have three guys going tomorrow. We already have a couple of big jobs scheduled, but we might be able to squeeze you in. Okay, and it might just be something simple i mean i have no i have no i have no idea it very well could be what's what is actually going on basically we just just

yeah just no water i have no idea but um i took a look over at the you know at the um at the pump and my neighbor came over and we looked at it and everything looks fine over there. Then we went to the circuit breaker. Everything was fine over there. Then we went to the holding tank and everything looks fine there. We just basically watched YouTube videos. He's on a well too. He's a little more experienced. We went through all the protocols

for the equipment. Do you have water in the tank and it's not getting pressurized into the house? I think that's what it is. For sure, there's no pressure in the tank. The tank pressure says zero. Okay. But do you have water going into your storage tank?

I don't know. I wouldn't even know how to check that. Okay. It's just a little tiny tank. It's not a big tank. It's probably like 40 or 50 gallons. It's tiny. That sounds's not a big tank. It's probably like 40 or 50 gallons. It's tiny. That sounds more like a pressure tank.

Okay, then I don't even have a holding tank. I think it just goes straight from the well to the pressure tank. Could that be possible? That very well could be. Yeah, I think that's the way mine is set up. We don't have that type of system as possible, so that might be something to consider. Okay. Getting a storage tank. It helps with fire. And then if you do have

a no water situation like this, hopefully you would be able to get a little bit of water out of that while waiting for a service call. So that might be something to consider going forward. But I'll get this written up and we'll do our best to get some of we can. Okay. My name is Savant, and you have my message. Do you need any information from me now? No, I think this is enough to get us going. Little Creek, that's Scotts Valley? Or Boulder Creek? No, just

out Soquel. Oh, that's Soquel. Okay. Well, we'll get that written up, and we'll do our best to get somebody out there as soon as we can. Okay. Thank you. No problem. You have a great day. Okay. Bye, we'll get that written up and we'll do our best to get somebody out there as soon as we can. Okay. Thank you. No problem. You have a great day. Okay. Bye-bye.

All right. Bye. Okay. Fuck. Hey. I spoke to the pump people. Oh, yeah? Can they come today? Some dude had an emergency dental issue. Another dude's, like, out sick. No. I'm going to eat an HGR CBD gummy to help with my stress levels.

Okay, I'll take five. Yes! They can't get anyone out today, maybe tomorrow, but it doesn't sound good for tomorrow either. Holy shit. And she said we need a holding tank. They don't recommend systems that go straight from the well to the pressurized tank. Is that what Jim has? All our neighbors have holding tanks.

Oh. Okay. All right. Should we move into a hotel? No! With a swimming pool. Yeah! Please don't swear around the kids.

I don't want them near my house. I want to know what's on here, Mom. Oh, I've got it. Right, right, right. You don't want them near my house. All right, at least we have electricity. Think positive. I'd rather have water than electricity, but you're right.

It would be worse to have both of them out. Hey, I took a shit in the yard this morning. Did you feel like you were camping? Kinda. I hope you don't see it. It's disgusting. I don't like camping. Is my mom there? Well, we can live with McKenna. No, McKenna's here.

Your mom dropped off our towels though all right don't here for a minute don't don't all oh okay that was cool i'm gonna take the boys out to eat after mckenna so i'll take all right we're gonna have to eat out a lot i know all right i'm okay i just don't want to make a mess in the kitchen then we can't clean it up all right i love you baby yeah all right they've i mean they have some yogurt and at least i'm super fit and healthy and i have a huge dick and i'm not a drug addict yes we have a lot going for us don't we yeah as a family okay i'll think of some good things thank you for having all those great qualities i'll think of some good things thank you for having all those great

qualities i'll think of some good things you have going for you too so you don't feel bad about not having water they don't just roll off your tongue they do but they're private i don't want to hear them oh good oh yeah because you're so private all right thank you bye Bye. Bye. Oh. I guess I could go to Greg's house. I should actually call Greg right now. That's a really good point. That is a really good point.

All right. I'm going to do that. He always offers me to stay at his house. That's a real... Fuck, I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thank you, Vindicate. Get your CEO shirts now at Vindicate. Vndka.com

That's a really good... Daddy, help me. Yes. That is a really good sign. Let's troubleshoot the well pump live. Wow. You mean just like take my go live on Instagram and just go over there and see if people can help me? That would be fascinating.

No, I don't need to shower there. I took the family over to my mom's house yesterday. My mom was right down the road. Everyone, only one person in my family didn't shower over there. Guess who that was? I haven't showered in three days. I did wipe my, uh, I did wipe my butt with a, like 10 wet, wet ones this morning.

And my mom's cool. It's fun going over there. I always like going over there, especially like if I can just like chill. What is today? Do I have a podcast tonight or anything oh there's the Dave Castor week in review probably

Bob Forrest oh shit I have meetings today oh interesting Oh shit, I have meetings today? Oh, interesting. Wow. All right, I gotta go. I'm stressing myself out being on here, uh, i'll talk to you guys later Uh, i'll probably see you guys later on this afternoon. I'll schedule a show. All right Talk to you soon. Love you guys

Bye eric. Bye mike. Bye judy Bye, daniel. Bye cory. Bye ken Bye travis