The Sevan Podcast - Candice Wagner | Affiliate Series

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

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Okay. Yeah. I'm, I'm traveling and, um, I don't trust my system. Yeah. You sound great. Okay. Good. Awesome.

Man, what a life you live, Candace. Hey, I appreciate that. So we're, yeah, man, you're doing it. Holy cow. Oh, okay. Now I'm complete. Now I'm complete. I was missing my pen. Um, Cross I'm complete. Now I'm complete. I was missing my pen.

CrossFit Iron Horse. Skull, Skull Ranch, Fight Other People, Gridley, CrossFit Games, Marine Corps. Yeah. Dad. Dad. What's dad? Oh, my dad No, was he in the Marine Corps too? It was yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just meant you had a dad

Yes Not not everyone has one of those these days, that's true Hey, where are you? currently in Fort Worth, Texas right now. And where is CrossFit Iron Horse? Fort Worth as well. So that's home for you? Currently, that's not the goal, but the military put me here and I've been here for 16 years now.

So where is the goal? You know, I don't know, that's kind of the journey right now is trying to figure that out. We just got back from Sedona. So Arizona is up there, Utah, Colorado, we're just trying to explore and figure it out. But I think just anywhere that's more around mountains and water. Yeah, not whole lot of that here in Texas. Yeah. What?

How come no Florida, California? How come is the beach? Does the beach work? I'm more of a like, I don't know, I'm not a big salt water fan. And so I grew up a little bit in California. That's where I was born. I was born in Oceanside, which is Camp Pendleton base actually and Then we actually live in North Carolina for a little while because my dad got stationed across the United States

And I think I've experienced that stuff enough and I do love both locations. I've never Lived a long time in Florida, but I was there in Pensacola For probably a year once I graduated boot camp in the Marine Corps so that I could learn my job and things like that. So, hey, when you're in the Marines, do you have time to go to the beach? Yeah, yeah, we have 72s and 96s, so like three or four day weekends a lot of the time with holidays. That's what those are called 72 and 96 is I think it's 72 yeah 96 for sure whatever three times to yeah 24 there's an there's an endless list of things that I'm always learning from people in the military their acronyms or their codes or I always think

that I know them all but I don't even know a fraction yeah she's trying to throw her shit around now too for MOS school. Oh, thanks. I don't even know what that is. What's MOS school? Military Occupational Specialty School. Oh. So that's what I was pencil cola for.

Yeah, I was to learn my MOS. Do you know her, Julia? I don't. Oh, she's in the Marine Corps. Okay, cool. Is she a competitor? I saw her. I just know her from the show.

She listens to the show regularly. And then I remember she was deployed to Australia. And so the people in the chat, they're all because there's a normal morning crew that rolls in here. So we all kind of tabs on each other. And so she deployed to, I don't know if it's deployed or was put in, um, Australia and then recently I got to meet her for the first time. She competed at the NorCal classic.

Okay. And you would be proud. She didn't disappoint. She, she's, she's awesome. She looks like a Marine. She's beautiful, strong, powerful, confident. She's cool. Marine. She's beautiful, strong, powerful, confident. She's cool as shit. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. The kind of people you want protecting,

with the kind of people I want protecting me while I'm sleeping at night. Well, and emulating what it should look like to be the Marine Corps, right? So that's good. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You, how long have you had your gym? Yeah, absolutely. How long have you had your gym? We are hitting 14 years next month. And congratulations. That's wild. Thank you.

Yeah. And when you say we, who's we? I'd like to include my team. I'm the sole owner now. When I came on just as a coach in 2010 and there was three guys that had opened it up and eventually started to buy them out over time, got so ownership in 2019. But, um, I guess I just say we, cause I like to include my team as much as possible, even though I'm the sole owner.

And um, and you found CrossFit in 2000. I, you, Did you take your level one in 2008? Did I see? Yeah, actually in the facility that we're currently in, which is kind of wild. GSX Athletics was what it was called back then. And I took it up in August of 2008 and did CrossFit for probably a year on my own. And then finally joined GSX in 2009 officially. Was GSX owned by the guy who used to be the gymnastics? Jeff Tucker. Yeah. Tucker.

Oh, do you ever see him? No, no. I mean, I saw him in the very beginning for he would come passing through when he was in town, but I didn't really have a relationship of any kind with him. And and and so you were if you if you took your L you said you took or you started CrossFit in 2008 you took your L1 in 2008 did Greg teach that entire course? No, that was Dutch Lowy and oh my god.

Yeah, I can't remember who the other ones were but oh my god he was there oh and Pat Barber yep yep oh my god Gentry I think was the yeah that's a long time ago had Dutch Loey J Gentry, Chuck Carswell and Pat Barber. I believe so. Yeah. I think there was one other. Don't quote me on that. And you know, Jolie obviously won the games in 2007 and I think she, I'm sure I'm going to screw this up. She's either on San Leandro or Fremont SWAT team and she's the captain of her police department now. Holy shit. That ass. Crazy right and I don't even think she was a police office. I think maybe right I think I don't even think when you I don't even know if she'd gone

through the academy yet when you when she taught your um L1. Okay yeah I don't know if she was an instructor or if she had demoed a workout or something maybe I mean it was so long ago at this point I don't really remember I think Lindsay was another instructor actually. Crazy. Yeah all these names are coming back to me. Although you say you don't remember it Do you remember how it felt because those are such good those were such good people I got to be around those people too And they were so fun. Yeah Well, I mean I was just learning about CrossFit and I only signed up because I wanted to be a coach but I didn't really

Understand the method methodology and all that But um, I do remember they were talking about zone. And that was kind of when I had the switch where I was like, Oh, man, like, this is pretty cool stuff, right? Like, I really want to be a part of this, even though I didn't understand a whole lot of the concepts. And you can get a two minute workout in and see results, you know. Yeah, but I was drinking the Kool-Aid hard and then we did a bottom to bottom Tabata squat.

So I was really feeling that. Uh, had, had, did you have a muscle up when you went to that level one? No, I barely had keeping pull ups. I think, uh, we did Fran and I think I was the last one to finish and they had to cap me and they had scaled me down Because I was trying to do strict pull-ups to jumping pull-ups God you've come so far

Yeah Where did you join the Marine Corps? 2005 2005 okay Okay, so when you took your L1, you were still in the Marine Corps, Candice? No. Was I? Yes, yes I was.

Because I got out in 2010, and I was around that time, like 2008, thinking like, like I loved the Marine Corps when I originally entered, but I fell out of love with it just because it wasn't quite what I had envisioned and it wasn't quite hard enough in some ways too. And so I think I was looking for that exit and fortunately CrossFit happened around the exact same time. Are you friends with Dave Castro? I'm aware of him. I've seen him at competitions but I don't have a personal relationship with him now.

Did you ever have desires to be on the level one team? Yeah, actually, technically I was hired onto the seminar staff. And this was the same time I had signed a contract with grid for the San Francisco fire. And I remember getting an email from HQ saying I needed to make a decision. It was one of the other. And looking back, I kind of wish I would have done some of our staff. But then on the flip side, I got to meet some pretty incredible people on grid, even though it didn't quite quite work out the way we had hoped. But yeah, it was a long time ago, too. Hey, if you're interested after the show, I would love to put you in touch with Dave

because I know he'll love you. I scroll through your Instagram. He will absolutely love everything you've done. Your experience is so vast and they're, you know, they're, they're, they have this amazing relationship with the army now and they're putting I think thousands of guys who are in the army through one day level ones and two day level ones. Yeah and to have someone like you who was in the Marine Corps who then came and embraced you know CrossFit and has so much experience with it he would if

you're interested just just remind me afterwards and I'll put you in touch with them. Yeah. I don't want to meet just, just remind me afterwards and I'll put you in touch with them. Yeah. Maybe he'll be like, fuck you, so I don't want to meet her, but I'm pretty good judge of character and I like the same people he likes. I have a, I have a feeling you would be an incredible asset to that team that goes out there. Oh yeah. Yeah. And they, and they do, um, they do border patrol, they do the army and it's, it sounds like it's a really cool, rewarding gig. I know Dave really,

really loves it. And I know the guys that go out there and do it really love it. So just remind me afterwards. If you're interested and I'll and I'll connect you guys. Absolutely. I appreciate that. Yeah, for sure. When you are you are you did you say you where were you born? Oceanside, California. So technically Camp Pendleton Base, which is where we did the sprint dry in

2012 of the CrossFit Games, which was kind of cool and Were you in the games that year? Mm-hmm. Oh, how many times have you been to the games? three times As an individual. Yes, sir. Wow Sorry, go ahead. What year? 10, 12, and 16 was my last. And were you born on the bass? Yes, yeah.

Military brat. And then were you raised? How many years were you raised on the bass? Your whole life? No, no. I don't know exactly to be honest, probably till I was three. And then we moved around areas of California. Like we were in Chico for a while. Sacramento I think it's called.

And then my dad got orders to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. So we drove, we packed up and drove seven days across the United States and posted up there until I was probably 12 or 13 before he retired. Julia Cook, okay, so she's stationed in Camp Pendleton. That's where I'm stationed, that's awesome. Hell yeah. And when you're born on a military base, up until you're 13,

do you go to school there? Is all your schooling done on the base through like whatever schools that they have there? You know, it's like a new city, right? I think so. And that's the point. Like I don't really remember a whole lot of it, right? Like I grew up there, but I mean,

my family moved around so often because of the military that a lot of it was really really fuzzy to me like I remember for example when I was in second grade we were learning about fractions we moved to North Carolina they had already passed that point so I never really learned a whole lot about fractions but yeah I don't I don't have a whole lot of recollection about that time period. I just know that kindergarten maybe, and then we had bounced around to Michigan at one point even. And it was all with your dad's job? Yes.

Yeah. And when you would go to school, would they be military schools though? Would they be schools that the Marine Corps has for people who are in the Marine Corps and that they send those kids to those schools or would you just go to regular public schools? I think it was just a regular public school. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Moving around a lot as kids, that's hard, right? Every time you go to a new school. Yeah, I got really used to saying goodbye to a lot of people. And then when you're 13 and your dad gets out of the military, that's when you guys

land in Fort Worth? No, we ended up going to Pennsylvania for a little while. And that was because he retired and got a job up there. And then they eventually moved to Michigan. I follow along and that's where I first decided that I want to join the Marine Corps. I went to see a recruiter, you know, did the delayed entry program for a little while and then officially went to boot camp and that was in Paris, South Carolina in 2005, January 2005. And so I ended up in Fort Worth because I

ended up getting stationed here after being in Japan for two years and got orders here before I got out. When you were in Michigan and you decided to go in the Marine Corps, how old were you? Probably 18. And then I had my 19th birthday in boot camp doing a three mile run. I remember that. It was for physical fitness test. And during those years from being born at Camp Pendleton to all the way to Michigan, did you play sports? Were you active kid? Yeah, I loved

soccer. I did a lot of sports in general. Like they didn't have football for girls then, but you know, we had our once a year powder puff thing in high school. So I would do that. Played football with the neighbor kids and things like that. But soccer was my number one sport and really, really enjoyed that. And did you like football? Oh yeah. Yeah. If they had it, I would still play. I say that and then I probably get hurt. I have played soccer as an adult and gotten pretty banged up. But yeah, I wish they had had it. I would have been like a quarterback or maybe a cornerback.

And did you like to play quarterback? You like playing quarterback? Yeah. Whenever I was doing powder puff, they always put me as quarterback. And then whenever we did like pickup games and stuff, I'd play that or corner on defense. And so you played mostly with boys, I'm guessing. Yes. Yeah. I was probably the only girl in our neighborhood when I was in North Carolina. And then Pennsylvania was usually playing with my brother.

And then there was one other kid there. And how many brothers do you have? This one. Yeah. He's five years younger than me. A younger brother. Mm-hmm. Yeah, a little brother. I saw him in your Instagram, too.

Hey, how was it playing quarterback? Was it hard to get that position? Were you vying with other boys who wanted to play? They're like, no, Candice, I'm going to play. And you're like, no, I'm going to play. No, to be honest, growing up, I don't know, I've just always been very athletic and could always hang and honestly surpass a lot of the guys, even the Marine Corps. And so I think that they all kind of like, yeah, let's do it up. So there's never any ruffled feathers in like that,

at least that I experienced maybe there was behind closed doors. When you go to the Marine Corps, do you play any sports there? Do they have organized sports in the Marine Corps? They probably do. I didn't, but I was stationed in Japan for two years. So like I had arrived on the island thinking that I was going to be there for a year because I had military orders said literally 12 months and

Then I get there and they're like, oh no, just kidding Here's 24 months of you know, you're gonna be here for two years and that was my first time like really leaving the nest per se So I preoccupied my time doing they had like 500 mile clubs thousand mile clubs, you know pull up challenges and things like that mountain clubs, you know, pull up challenges and things like that, run a marathon. So, I was mostly running. But a lot of that was because of I had a really bad eating disorder coming out of boot camp. And so, it was a means to kind of cope with my eating disorder as unhealthy as it probably was. But that was kind of what I mean. Eating disorders go good together, huh? They really do. It seems.

I remember there was a girl who lived next to me in college, a beautiful girl, and she clearly had an eating disorder and that's all she, like she was either running, doing sit-ups. She was always running or doing sit-ups just always. And she couldn't, and she couldn't get skinny enough. Like that was her deal, yeah. And of course, and I remember being a young boy and like knowing swimming was coming up and I was gonna have to take my shirt off. And that's what I would do too.

I would either go for a run or long walks or I would just sit at, you know, like I thought the night before, if I did a thousand sit ups, I'd look okay the next day. Pretty common. Yeah, I didn't, none of it worked. I still felt terrible about myself.

If I think of anything, did you get up with a Rabdo or something with a thousand sit-ups? I made it up. When I say a thousand, I mean 10. I mean 10. But I can remember going in the living room at my house and putting my toes underneath the front of the couch the day before swimming was going to start in PE and junior high or high school and just, just sitting there and doing sit-ups, you know what I mean? With the TV on, probably watching Knight Rider or something. How old are you?

I am about to be 40. I'm 39 and uh, my birthday's coming up here in February. How do, how do people get, um, uh, how do people get eating disorders? It's not like a cold, you don't catch it, right? Or do you catch it? How do you get them? I would say you essentially could quote unquote catch it, meaning like, you know, depending on your environment. For me, it was boot camp because, so when I was in boot camp, I was the guide, which is basically the leader of the platoon. And so, you know, everything that we do is based around war and I was fortunate never to have to go to war. But you know, you don't have time. So it's like you do things as fast as possible. And so for me, I would be the last person to sit down and the first to get up whenever we ate. And so I was, you know, I went in at like 135, which back then like So I was, you know, I went in at like 135, which back then like 135 was pretty thick for me because I wasn't as muscular as I am now.

But I sit around 130 now for context. How tall are you? Five, three. Okay. But I dropped down to 119 and boot camp and I was really weak and you know, the drill instructors like threatening me and we're gonna put you on double rats. And I was like, please do, because I wasn't getting enough fuel.

But we were obsessing over food. I say we, because it wasn't just me that was experiencing this. It was the other recruits in the platoon. And we would have dreams about it. And I remember we had a family event where, it's right before graduation, you get to see your family for the first time after like three months. And we just gorged food.

And that's all we thought about. We lived sleep, sleep, chow, chow. And so when I got out of the boot camp, I had obsessive compulsive eating disorder where I was constantly thinking about food, trying to get as much as I possibly could. And to offset that I would go run around the base for six miles or step aerobics in the evening and things like that to try to cope with it. Go back to the fact that why were you the last one to sit and the first one to leave?

Because that showed that you were the hardest worker and you wanted to be the hardest worker? So it's like, you're the leader of the group, right? So I think it was a way you're the leader of the group, right? So I think it was a way to keep the leader in charge, like getting everybody going and move in. But also because you're just not going to have time in a combat environment to sit down and casually eat everything we do, you know, tying your shoes,

showering was for time, which actually came in handy in CrossFit later on but it was there's still some things I'm working through to this day when it comes to like you know patience and things because of that. And then I don't I still don't understand explain to me how the did you not like the way your body looked like I always was that it what, I don't understand the mechanism that would cause that to turn into an eating disorder. You didn't have any signs of it when you were younger, like wanting to look good?

I did. And I grew up around, you know, my mom and my grandmother were pretty obsessive about weight loss. They would do, you know, different programs and count their calories and stuff like that. And I think I had initially seen that firsthand, so I kind of already had that planted subconsciously. But I think what really prompted it was before I actually went to boot camp, we would do the delayed entry program, which is where the recruiters basically try to prepare you for boot camp so that, you know The absolute shit kicked out of you when you're there But um, we would meet and my recruiter would pull me off to the side out the entire group of uh, you know people that Were in this program to go weigh me because I was kind of skirting the line

And so I started to think about that Heavy or light heavy heavy Yeah, and I mean I was pretty healthy I mean I was a little overweight, but I wasn't like extreme but for me that was really embarrassing And so that was already kind of something on my mind So, you know you go to boot camp and use drop weight and I had like abs and I remember being like wow Like, you know, this is pretty cool. Yeah, but it was unsustainable and so Get now I just wanted to maintain that so badly,

but I was also fighting with this eating disorder because I was pretty deprived of food. Like not that they were like trying to starve us or anything, but you know, we were putting out so much energy, it wasn't enough to sustain that. And so I think my body was just like on overload, like we need more calories and it just kind of snowballed after that.

When I think of eating disorders for women, I always, the two stories that come up are the swim coach that says, hey, you're fat or the gymnastics coach that says, hey, you're fat. To a woman who's not fat, right? Yeah. Who's just not maybe the ideal weight for her sport.

But that's, I always think of it like that. So it's interesting that you had that seed planted by someone who's like, hey, we have to weigh you. That's so crazy to think, because I'm assuming you were probably way fitter than the other girls. And when I think now of just all the stories I hear about people who are in the military,

they all sound like that they're 20% overweight. You know what I mean? They do like, I don't know if they still do this, but they did when I was in, but they would do like calculations for BMI based on like measuring your neck and things like that And I remember like I would come in above even though You know, I was but you know, I think naturally I'm pretty muscular to begin with

But they would say that I was overweight and I was like, I'm not I'm not overweight here Like I know I'm I could be more lean, but I think we could all say that as certain certain points of our lives You know Yeah, my my I know I could be more lean, but I think we could all say that at certain points of our lives, you know. Yeah, my wife is probably 5'4", probably like 137 and she's skinny, but she's a crossfitter, right? But she's like really skinny. Like if she misses a meal, I'll see it in her face. Wow. Yeah, so it's hard to... I mean, yeah, it's hard to, um, I mean, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but none of those measurements or none of that stuff matters if you're a CrossFitter. I mean, or I shouldn't say none of it matters. None of it's

accurate if you're a CrossFitter. Yeah. Your quads and back are carrying, uh, you know, five more pounds of weight than the average person. And when you were, you made a post in here. Let me see if I can find it. You made a post in here. Are you married? No, I'm divorced. And, oh, let me ask you this. Fuck. I don't know you well enough to ask you this, but I'm gonna ask anyway. And you still have your wife on your Instagram? Yes. How do you know not to delete off your ex?

Cause you have a new girlfriend, right? Yes. How do you know not to delete off? Like when Instagram came, I was already too old. Like I was like, I didn't, you know, my days, like if I had, if I had Instagram when I was 15, I'd probably have a bunch of girlfriends on there. How do people know whether to delete people off or not?

Uh, that's a good question. I think for me personally, and maybe this isn't the same as everybody else, but, uh, I don't know. There's still, you know, it didn't work out. There's still parts of that time of my life that I still want to remember for sure. You know, even if it was with someone that I'm not going to be with anymore. But I know that not everybody can say that if they have a falling out. That's really, really nasty and they need to, you know, remove that thought from their minds. But for me, I'd rather keep those things and that we have, you know, an opportunity to reflect back on all the things that I've been through in my life.

And your new girlfriend, she's not jealous? No, no, she's very, yeah, she's cool. Yeah, I guess that's a good test. Yeah, yeah, she's cool. I think it's a good thing also because people think that, let's say she was jealous. I think it's a good thing also because people think that, let's say she was jealous. People have to remember that if they see you treating, and this goes for a lot of things, not just exes,

your ex in a certain way, they should know that one day they could end up in that same boat too. Do you know what I mean? Like if you're, if just because someone's nice to you, if you see them being mean to someone else, you have to know like, hey, they're not just mean to's nice to you if you see them being mean to someone else you have to know like hey They're not just mean to that person because that for whatever reason or they're not just treating that person that way They have that in them and they're capable of doing that and they could do that to you, too

You know the typical the the cliche story is is if you see someone be rude to a waiter You know because they're serving you or treat a waiter like shit. You have to know that one day they could treat you like that Yeah, I agree Anyway, so kudos to you you're like a real adult. Yeah yeah thank you. Um you have a you have a post here that says um uh at a young age you would uh sell that you someone said you scored a touchdown or something and someone said you celebrate uh like a boy what does it say here um and uh and you say you were never uh willingly dressed like a girl and uh you were made fun of for being flat chested i mean some of these things it's like hey all kids are gonna get made fun of but what did that um do you remember that like very clearly But what did that, do you remember that like very clearly?

Yeah. Did you remember clearly being like, hey, I don't wanna dress like that and I do wanna dress like this? And did you think of it as boy and girl at the time or did you just think of it as convenience? Like, hey, these clothes are just more comfortable for me. So I think you're referring to when I was in high school So I've always been really naturally athletic and to the to now I know like oh, that's one of my gifts, right?

Actually athletic and that has carried over into fitness which now I own a gym and all that right and so I think for me the the issue was I always have naturally just kind of been a tomboy I think for me the issue was I always have naturally just kind of been a tomboy. I never played with dolls, you know, even my family members would try to give me them and I wouldn't play with them because I was always outside moving. I really loved being out in the dirt and, you know, playing sports and skateboarding and all this wild stuff that, you know, not the typical little girl does. But when I was in P.E., I would usually like look forward to P. to PE class. And I remember like going all out and playing volleyball or something. And one of the popular boys at the time had, you know, called me out like, you know,

you play like a boy, you play like a dude or something like that. And that really embarrassed the hell out of me. And so after that, I went through a period where I really suppressed that part of myself where it's like, well, I can't be athletic because, you know, I don't want anybody to know that in this athletic because it's something to be embarrassed about because, you know, I'm supposed to be more girly or whatnot. Right. And so I think, um, that was really difficult for me, but like, you know, fast forward now I realized like, Oh, this kid was probably really insecure and didn't like that the girl in the volleyball

team was kicking his ass and you know, that's his own issue. But I think just naturally I've always been a little different and I don't think there's anything wrong with that anymore. You've, you, uh, Judy Reed. Whoa, she's Jack. Yeah. What a crazy physique you have. Congratulations.

Thank you. That was probably like 10 physique you have. Congratulations. Thank you Did you take a lot of cretin I did a little bit yeah God you look fucking amazing. What a powerful human being Let me let me say this Which is which is interesting and feel free to push back, but you were playing like a boy. It's just that there was nothing wrong with it, right? Is that accurate?

I guess you could say that. I feel that when I played soccer and just in general, like I said, I've always kind of been, and I don't want to like toot my own horn here, but like just naturally athletic. And so if we played with boys, like I would do better than most, if not all of them. And I think one could argue that, you know, quote unquote, she plays like a guy or whatever,

just because the level is different. But you know, you get me playing basketball, it doesn't look anything like that. I'm terrible at basketball. But I meant more like your expression. Do you think, and I don't know the answer for this, I'm not asking you a loaded question, do you think that it's inherent in boys to spike the ball and to yell more than girls or do you think that that's just taught?

Probably, I think there's, you know, like flow state, right? If I'm in flow state, I'm going to spike the hell out of a wall, you know? So I don't necessarily think it's like, you know, an inherited gene that makes them that way. But I just think that, you know, you get into the rhythm and you're enjoying yourself, you're going to do whatever it takes to make the play or to lift the lift or whatever. And I think people put a label on what that could be classified as or who's going to be the person that does that, a guy or a girl,

or more likely to anyway, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, the two iconic photos of celebrations are the Josh Bridges and the Tia Toomey, and both of them, I don't know if you can picture them in your head, but both of them, they have their hands in front of them and they're roaring like lions, right? And it's the same fucking pose. It's Tia coming out of the water. And then I think it's Josh Bridges in Carson. I think he maybe had beat Rich or took second to Rich in some workout, but it was the exact same pose, the same roar. And, uh, and, and now that you say the flow state,

I always pictured it as it's those people finishing and that's like the steam coming off the kettle, right? Like I even had more left in me and here it comes out as one burst. And so when you find CrossFit, you kind of find your home. Not you kind of find your home, but women are admired for these abilities not frowned upon. They're celebrated. Yeah, I think that's one of the

things that really attracted me to it is it kind of leveled the playing field a little bit because, and I hate to say this, but you know, when I was in the Marine Corps, you know, even if I surpassed my peers well, it was there was a reason for it right and You can kind of imagine what that could be either bitch or you know Slaughter or dyke is kind of what how it was and I hate to say that but that's how it was And so you walk into a room and you have to work extra hard to Prove yourself or to get the respect from your peers. And you come into CrossFit, it's not like that at all. CrossFit is just like, you know, this is how it is,

right? We're all doing the same workout together. Maybe I didn't understand what you were just saying there. So when I think of lesbians, like a stereotypical lesbian would be an athletic person. Like I think of lesbians is caring more about their physique and their health than just average girls. Like if you were just to take your demographic, that would be just like a stereotype I would have, right? I didn't understand the other two. Why would it be a slut or a bitch? Meaning like if you were good, they would call you that? No, I just mean that. So when I get out of boot camp, the female drill instructors were like,

hey, you understand the culture we're walking into after you graduate and you become a United States Marine. And back then this was when they had don't ask, don't tell. And I didn't really know that I was gay at the time. I went through a period of suppression and all that, but they said like, you're either a bitch, you're a slut or a dyke. And I think you're poison, right? Because... Okay, slut sleeps with the guys, a bitch is one that doesn't roll over for the guys. And

then a dyke is someone who's not interested in guys. Got it. Got it. Yeah. So that was a tough world. And so... Pretty nice bucket. Wow. What great buckets you had to choose from. Right. And so you had to choose from. Right. And so you had to work really, really hard to earn respect. And for me, I just like, you know, I don't want to deal with this anymore because here I am excelling, but you know, it was held against me that like, oh, you know, there's no way there has to be something else there or another reason why, you know?

And so I can't remember why we went down that rabbit hole, but... Let me ask you something. I know you didn't come on the podcast to talk about this, but fuck, here we are. Do women belong in the military? Yes. Okay. Do women belong with men in the military? I believe so, but I think there's things that need to be considered.

And I don't know enough about this now because I know that it's changed quite a lot. But my belief is, for example, using the physical fitness tests. When I was in, there was the flex arm hang and it was like, should we have women also do strict pull-ups like the men? And my belief was, yeah, we should all be doing the same test, just like CrossFit, right?

And there was some pushback on that. I remember writing an article about it, but I think that if there's a certain physical test or whatever you need to go through to get to this point, to be able to do X, whatever it is, you have to be able to complete that physical fitness test to the actual standard that everyone's held to. And if someone, female, male, whoever can do that,

then yeah, absolutely. I think they should be able to be rewarded in that way. Susie says there's a fourth category and that's a pussy. That's people who won't even join the Marines. All right. Let me rephrase the question. So you have this, I'm just going to stereotype all men. I think it's so accurate. But you have this group, you have this cohort of creatures walking

the planet. They're called boys. And between 18 and 35, they're just consumed with wanting to be with women. And so if you mix the two, are you buying that? That there's something there that's like almost an obstacle that's gonna be impossible to overcome. Like you have this creature that's singularly focused. Do you think I miss? And it's fair if you think I'm miscategorizing men, but that's my take on guys.

When we're 18 to 35, like we cannot, like if we're not given direction and kept on task, like for one second, we're chasing Beaver. Well, I think it starts with the leadership. And I think that, you know, like I said, things have really changed. And I think they're moving in the right direction. And for example, I have a friend that, you know,

she's involved with police stuff and she was anticipating what I went through because we had discussed it. And she's like, hey, and she was anticipating what I went through because we had discussed it and she's like, hey, I'm really concerned about this. Am I going to be running into this? I was like, I have no idea. And then she goes and she didn't. And I think a lot of that, again, comes from the top down. And if the leaders in charge are creating a culture and an environment that everyone is accepted and respected and up to standard, you know, then things should be okay. But I think that it was a very male-dominant, it probably still is,

male-dominant place to be. And, you know, when those things aren't in check, yeah, I could get out of hand very quickly, or at least in my experience, it, you know, kind of was that way. Oh yeah. At 18 years old, let's say I was a cook, I couldn't be left in a kitchen without flirting with a girl if I was in a kitchen for fucking 10 hours a day cooking. I would fucking go bonkers. Fucking just lose my shit.

But I really like your answer because it really, you're right. If the leadership had no tolerance of that and if the leadership actually walked that walk also, you're absolutely right. You, man, your answer is, is spot on because, um, they need, they need perfect role models in those leadership positions. Absolutely. Did you, um, did you enjoy your time there in the Marines? For the most part, yeah. I didn't really care for my MOS. I was a flight equipment technician, which basically makes a... I worked on survival gear for C-130s, which are big cargo planes and refueler planes

that don't really go down a lot. So for me, that's fortunate but it was also not very fulfilling. And so right before I got out in 2008 when I found CrossFit, I got a secondary MOS or a second job as a Marine Corps Marshal Arts instructor and that I really, really enjoyed because I got to put people through fitness and coach them which really aligned with CrossFit as I was getting out. So. Yeah, that's awesome.

Let me see, I think I have... My final day training to become a Marine Corps martial arts instructor. Was that your instructor right there? That was one of them. That's a good dude right there, that's Willie. Yeah, he was one of the instructors and that was our final day after we almost got pepper sprayed again.

Again? Yeah, they joked with us because they like lined us up after this big, this was like a really grueling martial arts instructor course. Like they're not all like this I hear. but it was three weeks of getting the absolute shit kicked out of us and At the very end we had this really long day. We were rucking and they lined us up not facing the instructors Okay last part, you know when I say out your name you to run to us You're gonna get sprayed and you come off the side and like they called our name and then you run up there and then you realize Oh, they're extending their hand to shake you and congratulate you for graduation, right? and so we're all scared to death that this is gonna happen again because I don't know if you've ever been pepper spray But it's not a good experience

But we were just being honored for the time and graduating so it's kind of cool how it worked out And then and then I saw this picture What a crazy picture so you did the broken, Steve Austin's Broken Skull Challenge. Yes sir. And did you ever win that? Yes, yes. And what is this? You guys had to wrestle each other?

Yeah, so that was probably 2015, but they had different events before you did the obstacle course, if you made it. And so some of the events where you had to grapple or fight or some of the other contestants or whatnot. And so I ended up one, one where you had to pull the anklets off of each other and the one that pulled both of them off their partner one. And so we wrestled and then advanced to the next stage before the obstacle course.

And when you say Candice, when you say pull the anklets off, it's like flag football, but the flags are down at your ankles. Pretty much. Yeah. And, and this is, you guys are fighting on rocks. I was sand. I mean, it was, yeah, I was sand. Like they had to look out for you too in some ways, right?

Yeah, this is crazy. I wanna see this video. So you're facing, are you in a circle, like a sumo circle? So this is like a big sand pit and I wanna say it's like a rectangle. And then the other competitors and Steve Austin were on the outside facing the cameras essentially. And so we'd stand on one side, three, two, one, go.

And then, you know, you're grappling and trying to fight him off. I know there were some events where you had to be the first person to ring the bell on the other side and you had to fight each other or go through a water trench trying to pass each other and ring the bell. So... Is that you on top? Yes. Wow. So they say... and do you know when you... when you, when they say three, two, one, go, and you got, and you have to get her anklets, are you, do you, you know how sometimes when you fight someone or you do something with them, you kind of see how hard they're going to go first. And that that's usually a mistake. Like I'll see kids do that in Jiu-Jitsu. And then there's the people who are just attacking. Do you, what do you do there in that situation? Do you just attack her or do you like see how hard she's going to go?

Yeah, definitely was the attacker. No mercy. No, I mean, obviously you don't want to actually hurt someone and there are rules. Like you couldn't put your forearm on their neck or anything like that. And I got called out for doing that a couple times by accident. But yeah, I mean you're there to compete and it's just like CrossFit games. You know, you're gonna do whatever you can to win as long as it's not too extreme and you're hurting someone. Were you friends with these girls?

No, that was the first time meeting them. There was other episodes where I had seen other people that I had engaged with but not that one in particular No Did this do events like this damage your relationship or bring you closer to them like this girl you have on the ground and you're on top of her Do you end up being friends with her does that damage the friendship or does it you know? Sometimes you have see fighters they hate each other and then after they spend that time in the ring They're in love with each other

What happens after this does she hate you is she like fuck you, bitch? Um, well, I never talked to her again and it's a lot of it Structured like they you know, you're eliminated you walk off and then this person came from another state, right? I've never seen her again, but the ones that did advance Um where we got to hang around together after the show and hang out with Steve Austin and eat and stuff like that. We debrief and as long as there's sportsman-like conduct during the event and all that, and after shaking hands, fist bumps,

for me, the experience running into these people later on in life has always been positive. How many times were you on that show? How many times did you compete? I think I was on for seven or eight episodes because the first season I was on, I ended up winning and then they bring the winner back out for quite a few more episodes until you get eliminated on the obstacle course.

And then they had an all-star episode that ended up winning. And then they had another one where I partnered up with Tommy Hackenbrook and But I kind of screwed it up for us both on that one so What were your thoughts on Tommy oh Great guy. Great guy. Great guy, isn't he? Yeah, holy shit. He's tall they had to put me up on a step stool when they were filming just to make us look similar I Yeah, he's such a positive force. I really like being around him They had to put me up on a step stool when they were filming just to make us look similar heights.

Yeah, he's such a positive force. I really like being around him. Does anyone cry at these events? I don't think anybody did. No. Get their feelings hurt or hurt. Did you ever see anyone get really hurt? Did you ever see a broken limb there? I remember a gal, so we had had I can't remember what it's called But it was this big piece of wood on your back that had chains hanging off of it And you had to go up this steep hill with it and like hook on more weight as you're going up the hill

And she got the very top where it kind of rounded flat and she tripped up She slammed her face into the ground basically um, and you know Definitely a little bit of a ringer, but I think most people do get some types of bruises and you know, banged up, but I don't really see anybody get really, really upset over break bones or anything. There was an event like that. I don't I don't know what year it was at the

CrossFit Games, but it was in Carson. And it was for the teams. And they had to walk with something with things dangling off them kettlebells and people were fucking falling on their face and getting knocked out. Do you remember that event? I don't. But I would imagine because their hands are behind it to kind of counter it. Yeah. It was a great event to watch, but to participate in. Watching people just fall on their face. Breaking out your popcorn. So you do all this stuff. Tell me about your... There's a post in here where you thanked your dad for how hard he pushed you as a kid. What was that like? When you say your dad pushed you hard as a kid, what was that like?

He was, I mean, he was a Marine, right? So there's a lot there as far as like discipline goes. He would always tell me, I didn't know this as a kid, but like I have the tiger, right? Like, like Rocky Malbo, shit. But he always wanted me to follow whatever I was passionate in. And he always said like, you know, you do eat love

and everything's gonna work out basically and I really appreciate about that about him because I think there's a lot of kiddos that grow up and they get pressure from parents on you know what am I supposed to pursue well we think this is best for you there was never anything like that always encouraged me you try to keep teaching me my brother karate Karate growing up. And he was just hard on us. And like, you know, there's going to be tough times in life and you just got to suck it up and keep going. And I really appreciate that about him to this day. So I think he helped me later in life, just have a tough enough exterior to take on a lot of the things that I have endured. Did he believe in you?

Oh yeah, yeah, very much. He made me proud of us. Do you remember what that looked like? How he expressed that, that he believed in you? My dad, he won't really tell you a whole lot, but when he does, it's like those rare occasions where he gets little tears in his eyes, but he's more of the, I'll express my emotion through writing. So he would write to me when I was in bootcamp or randomly when

I was away. And he'll spill the beans about everything that he's feeling and how proud he is and things like that. And, and, and did that mean a lot to you? Oh yeah, absolutely. I still have those letters. Yeah, that's cool. Going back to the... So you go into boot camp, you're rushed to eat, you end up coming out with an eating disorder. How does that end up going away?

Do you have to go to therapy or...? Well, yeah. So I did go to like an eating disorder counselor or therapist, whatever you want to call. did I did go to like an eating disorder counselor or therapist whatever you want to call but I mean honestly it was just kind of like more than anything just educating me on my disorder and creating more awareness on it but it wasn't helping me overcome it. I remember this was like five years later I was about to get out of the military so I was trying to get help because I thought by then it would be gone and this was about the time I had started dipping my toes in the water for CrossFit. So I officially joined end of 2009, mid 2009 at GSX.

And I just remember one day like, oh, like I'm not counting calories. I'm not worried about my weight. I'm not obsessing over food. Like what gives like, oh, it's CrossFit because my mindset had shifted from, you know, obsessing over my disorder and how to overcome it to my performance, right? How do I get better as a CrossFit athlete? Because I was really, really digging it and enjoying it. And I think that was a healthy distraction from what I

had previously been kind of, you know, accustomed to as far as a pattern in my mindset. You know, Candice, that's a crazy typical story for men and women who have issues with eating. They come into CrossFit and then their perspectives on food changes. Crazy, cool, typical story byproduct of... I want to go back to what you said when you were in therapy it brought you awareness to it But you but that didn't help it But then doing but I guess you go to CrossFit and just changes your perspective on what food is for Yes, at least that was for me I

Still have to this day and I think most women can agree with this, and men, some body image issues sometimes. Especially for me, it was difficult transitioning from CrossFit Games athlete to someone that goes to the gym three to four times per week and is just trying to feel better in their skin and stuff like that. So my composition and my body has changed drastically since that time. And I think there have been periods where I've been like, oh man, like, I guess, you know, this is how my body is now. It's not the same. And but again, what I was

doing was unsustainable. There's no way I could have maintained that picture you've seen, you know, I might have to work extra hard more than I am right now. It's crazy. You think like, I don't know when the mirror was invented, but let's go 200. I mean, every morning I would say the majority of us wake up and we go somewhere right away where there's a mirror and it's like, there you are. Hi, Candice. Hi, Sevan.

There you are. You're fucking naked. You just got out of bed and there you are. And so every morning, the first thing you see is your body. And I bet you two hundred years, I bet you the mirror is like. I bet you it's like the origin of the fucking eating disorder. Maybe I swear to fuck. I mean, how you how the only way you

would have known 200 years ago is someone would have had to tell you you're fat or hey, you look like shit. I wonder if you go to some tribe in um I don't know you know those those pictures you see like of just tribes in Africa or somewhere I bet you know one there has a fucking eating disorder they don't they don't they don't I mean what what I mean uh at that point you when you see all you see are the people around you, so you just probably just assume you kind of look just like them, because they're your mirrors, right? Yeah. Well, I would imagine that back then they didn't have all the processed food crap that

we have either, right? So it was pretty easy to maintain. Right. David Weed, if you sleep naked in your bed, there's shit in your bed. Well, thank you, David. I appreciate the, Jesus. Jake Chapman, Candice, when you get a chance, please,

can you sort out the top shelf, bottom shelf? Good two shelf needs work. He's, his OCD is kicking in. Something about your shelf is, is freaking him out. Oh, my girlfriend, Matt, she's got it color codedcoded. Oh the book. Oh okay the books. Does she do her closet like that too? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Everything's perfect which is actually really cool because she'll fold all the laundry for me and I don't have to do it anymore. Um it's

funny I would have never thought to do that but Greg Glassman does that in his closet and my wife does that in my closet. Like she, she puts my, she organizes. I would organize, I mean, who am I to complain? I don't do it, but I would organize them by like my favorites. That's not my closet. My closet is like, we're hanging it up as long as it's in there and it's not wrinkled. I'm happy. Close, closest hanger and closest empty spot. Hey, was your girlfriend a Marine? No, no, no. No. Does she does she think it's weird that she's dating an ex

Marine? Does she ever think she would be dating someone who's in the military? Probably now. I think just because, you know, what before I went in, I just wanted to do the hardest thing that I possibly could. And I think there are things about the military that I still appreciate, but there's also things that aren't really in alignment with who I am today. And so I think it's a little surprising to her, if anything, sometimes. When you say, could you tell me what some of those things are that aren't in alignment with who you are today? Just like, you know, when I really stop and think about it, like, would I ever really want to go to combat and hurt someone?

No, I would not, right? And I think, you don't really think about that as a young kid. You're just like, what do I do with my life, right? Or at least, that was me, like, I was hanging out with the wrong crowd and I wanted to change and get some discipline. And so that was the best decision for me at the time. But you don't really, really think about those things sometimes. And I think looking back, if I was ever put in that situation, I would have been carrying that with me and dealing with that today. And I'm fortunate that I didn't have that experience. Yeah, that's it. So enter the military because you want to do something hard, you want to experience the discipline, you're up for the challenge, but beheading someone with a bayonet, you're glad you didn't have to do that because you think you'd have to still be dealing with the thoughts of that. Exactly, yeah.

because you think you'd have to still be dealing with the thoughts of that. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I totally feel you in that. Is your girlfriend older or younger than you? She's younger. She'll be 36 at the end of this month. All right. And you said you're, don't tell me I wrote it down. You're in, you said you're 40. Almost. Yeah. 39. 39.

You said you started GSX in 2009, but you took your level 1 in 2008. Mm-hmm. So tell me how you found CrossFit. And it's interesting that you did your level 1 so quickly. Yeah. Well, like I said, I was trying to take steps to get out of the Marine Corps. And so I was interested. Wait, sorry. Hold on one second.

Yeah, 39. Crazy, right? I know you look, you do not look 39. You look 20. Oh thank you. Okay sorry okay so you were getting out of the Marine Corps. And I wanted to be a trainer or coach of some kind so I would like did the National Academy of Sports Medicine. One of the trainers I was working with my my ex had introduced me to and his name was Paul and he put us through this really kind of bastardized version of CrossFit that was way too long and way too intense. But you know, he said it was CrossFit but I remember going home and I was like that was awesome. And so like I started YouTube being or

looking into CrossFit and found like the CrossFit Journal and the nasty girls and was watching a video of Eva T doing Nate. And if you guys don't know what Nate is, it's 20 minute AMRAP, two muscle ups, four handstand push ups and eight heavy kettlebell swings. And she was doing this over and over. And I remember thinking like, dude, like, I want to do that. That's that's pretty dope. And so I started looking into CrossFit and I figured out there was one five minutes away from me,

which was GSX. And at the same time, they had the regionals going on in the backyard of GSX. And so I didn't have the courage to actually go look, just couldn't muster it up, but I did look up the L1 and decided I was at least gonna get certified to learn about CrossFit. And then after the level one started to do like, you know, 24 hour fitness,

but would do my own CrossFit, not really knowing what I was doing. And then finally made the decision, um, to actually go and sign up. Um, and so that was in summer of 2009 when I officially joined. Um, when you, when you saw nasty girls, that one pretty, that one rock rocked me like I saw that video and I was like What the fuck is this? How am I gonna try this? When you saw that did you make attempts to try to figure out when you saw Nate before you took your level one Were you like how where can I go and try to figure this out?

Yeah, I think I just did some research, but I also had, I remember trying to kick up to do a handstand push up myself in my apartment and I landed on my head. And I learned very quickly, like this is going to be a humbling experience. But I loved the idea of the challenge because, you know, for me, which is really surprising to this day, like I love fitness. I love CrossFit now. But when I was going through my eating disorder and the Marine Corps and all that, I had to drag myself to the gym and force myself to do it. And I did not look forward to it.

It was more of a chore more than anything else. So I was just like, dude, this is really attractive to me. I want to see what this is all about Candice do you remember the did you do you remember the old website and there was You would click and there would be all the movements just in a fucking list and you could command F and be like so That would be like do a snatch and you'd be like, what's the snatch? You command F and then there would be like a video like some shitty little video of someone snatching Is that how you know is that how you learn in the beginning?

You would click those videos and watch them? Yeah, I was deep into the journal. So I would go to the links of all the videos that they had, look at the workout of the day. And I was probably visiting that site, I don't know, most days of the week. Like I was digging it. I was really trying to learn about it. Would you also refresh at five o'clock, like at four 59, were you one of those people?

No, but I was, uh, when I had joined, I was big in the, uh, website comment section, like seeing who beat my score or not. Yeah. God, the website was so amazing back then. I want, I've been talking to Greg lately I was like we need to just start another one like that that just has an article every day a workout and then Seminars and affiliates he's like, what are we gonna put in there? I'm like just nothing That website was so that website was so cool and And people always shit on it. But

but I think everyone loved it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so so you are doing it by yourself and trying to figure it out. And then you have the weren't were you scared to go to your level one? I can't it's such a rare story. In my opinion, I think it's so the right way to do it. Like just go take your level one. But you did that. Did they do the thing where they're like, who here has been done CrossFit? Or you must have been one of the only ones back then, right? Because most people had already done it or been to a gym or something. Yeah. Well, and I remember a gal asking me like, oh, are you going to open your own affiliate? And I was like, the hell's an affiliate? Like, I didn't know. And I'm like, oh, maybe one day. Sure. You know, and then I realized like, oh,

most people are here that want to be coaches or gym owners, you know. But yeah, maybe one day, sure. And then I realized like, oh, most people are here that wanna be coaches or gym owners. But yeah, I don't know why. Just looking back now, I don't really know what made me invest in that, having known so little about it. But I don't know, something just pulled me to it. When I was there, you probably already had this, when I was there, culturally what was introduced to me

was the camaraderie and the intensity, right? Like I didn't play sports as a kid and I just didn't know intensity. I just went to the gym and just did like bodybuilding shit. But for you, you already knew intensity and you already knew camaraderie. What did you, so what did you leave there with? What did you leave there with?

Why did you like it so much? I think just like knowing like it was functional. I think part of the thing that I didn't enjoy about going to a traditional gym is like how boring it was, right? Where if you're actually physically having to maneuver over an apparatus like rings or a pull-up bar or you or lift weight in a functional way. I thought that was pretty neat because there was so much complexity and technique

that you're not gonna get from just doing trap raises or whatever in your machine or yeah, exactly. I don't even know what those machines are called. But I don't know, I was just, I feel like to this day it was the thing I was looking for that I didn't know I was looking for, right? It was just immediate attraction and drawn to it from the very get go. Judy Reed said he rode the recumbent bike. That's exactly what I would do.

I would go, he thought she's making fun of me, but it's even worse than that. I'd go straight into the rec center at the college and right in front of the racquetball courts would be a hundred recumbent bites and there'd be old men and girls on there with eating disorders. And I'd jump in right in there with them and I'd ride the recumbent for 30 minutes

before I go over and start doing all my three sets of 10 on everything. Yep, you're right. That's what I would do. And then if I was really feeling shitty about myself, I'd finish with another 30 minutes on the recumbent bite. Yep. Sitting down on my ass. That's right. That's what I would do. And then if I was really feeling shitty about myself, I'd finish with another 30 minutes on the recumbent bike Yep sitting down on my ass. That's right I haven't drifted far. I'm still an assault bike champion

Uh, you ride the assault bike a lot Uh, we well we did we have echo bikes now, which I would argue are four more intense Okay, you ride the echo bike a lot now you how many days a week you ride the eco bike? We probably do it two times a week. I would say okay up that up to seven Seven seven times seven days a week. I write I think it's fucked my ankles up actually Could a bike give you plantar fasciitis if you ride it too much I Don't know you'd have to really set up on it wrong would imagine, so that you're really flexing in your ankle. Right. Right. Thanks.

Maybe I'll come to Fort Worth and go to your gym and you can fix my movements. Will do. Echo is not better than the Assault bike. You like a belt driven bike better than a chain bike? I personally do. I think it's more difficult, but, uh, I mean, yeah, assault level. Yeah, that's way easier, but, okay. So you do your level one and, um, and you, and you get out of there and then you

join GSX and then in 2010, how does the opportunity come to, come to get involved with ownership with the gym? Yeah so I like I said I was a coach in 2010 so I just got out of the Marine Corps and these guys opened up CrossFit Iron Horse which they didn't have a name for yet but like hey do you want to coach over here and so they left GSX I left GSX went over to Iron Horse started coaching So they left GSX, I left GSX, went over to Iron Horse, started coaching. And then in 2012, one of the partners, it was kind of like a typical like hobbyist type of thing. Like he's like, yeah, I own this gym and I'm going to drink beer while I coach a class and all that.

And it just, this wasn't a very good fit. And so ended up buying him out by working for a year as head coach. And then fast forward. Really? That was the trait. So, no month, you bought them out by working. And what did that look like? Like a lot of classes? Not really, because I was doing the GI Bill for the Marine Corps. So, it was just more or less, you know, doing school and then I would come coach on the side. So, the grand scheme of things, I think it was only like 40 K or something,

if I remember correctly, you know, so. How many days a week are you coaching? Five. Okay, there was a lot of coaching. Yeah, I guess you could say that now. But then in 2019 is when I got sole ownership right before we did a rebrand in 2020, February 2020, and then we had to close for COVID in March.

God, this is a big gem. That is a big gem. Yeah. And is this the place it's always been? No. So we were previously at a smaller location over off another part of town and we ended up moving into this one which was GSX a long time ago and now you know we've been there for 10 years now. God those are some slick shoes to your maid do they still make those? That's a good question I love those shoes I wear those every

time I wear red. I don't know if I could wear those. They might be too skinny for my feet, but those are good looking shoes. You moved, what year did you say you moved? 2014, we moved into the GSX facility. Okay. And then in 2019, you became sole owner of the gym. And then when you say you rebranded, what's that mean? So when I, so long story short, I went through like a legal battle to get sole ownership with my other two partners one had moved to What's that? That sounds fun. Oh, yeah, it was it was a ton of fun very difficult situation

But when I moved to Colorado and he was more of a silent partner for a while And then the other one that was still there we butted heads quite a bit So we didn't line on the vision and so when I got Soul on our ship we rebranded had my you know own vibe kind of put into it with our core values our mission statement new logo things like that and just try to create a community first culture that's kind of our ethos. And right after that, we end up closing up for COVID until, you know, mid 2020 when we reopened back up. But that was a good time to learn. I thought Texas didn't do COVID. They did COVID.

Yeah. We shut down for two months, I believe. Oh, that breaks my heart. Can you tell me what happens for people who have partners? What happens? So your visions didn't align and then did you want to buy it from him or her and he wanted to buy it from you? So the partners that I was with, they both essentially wanted out and I wanted to take sole ownership and so but it was mostly like kind of driven because we weren't doing well. I remember my main focus was to be an athlete first and so finally like I remember a member had left and like it doesn't feel like a community here and I was

like oh man like really and that really struck me. Yeah, and so that was about the time I was getting out of my competitive career anyway. And I remember not feeling very proud of the business and realized very quickly after like digging in some things I was probably in denial about like, oh, it's not doing well. And so I realized like, we really got to shut it up or I got to step up and take ownership

and make this what I knew it could become. And fortunately, since then, it's a lot different, very different culture, thriving business. We're doing really, really well and enjoying it. And they didn't want to sell their portion to you? They did, but it was kind of not a very, it wasn't a very good situation. There was a lot of headbutting, a lot of back and forth negotiating, kind of a nasty situation with attorneys and things like that.

Yeah, that sucks. Did it fuck up your community? Why not just open another? Did you ever think, okay, fuck it, I'm just gonna pack my shit up and go down the street? No, and partially because, you know, we had a, we just extended a seven-year lease. So we had a lot of time on there and I think this was like six years out. And, you know, personally guaranteed on it, you know, let's make a break, you know. So I think the only other option would have been bankruptcy because it wasn't sellable, you know, just make a break, you know, so I think the only other option would have been

bankruptcy because it wasn't sellable, you know, on paper, it looked like shit because it was. Unfortunately, we turned it around and now it's doing really well. For people who have partners, is there anything you learned from there? Any advice you have what it sounds like to me in a nutshell is um not that i'm well it sounds like you came there like a lot of people come to CrossFit just fucking all starry-eyed you loved it you can't believe how much it's helping you personally uh physically emotionally intellectually friends wise and then um and then you move sort of out of that phase to wanting to actually run it as a business. And that's, that's where in this fast paced world staying sharp and focused is a non-negotiable. That's why more

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Your vision changed with what the owners had, what your partners had. Is that an accurate kind of assessment? I would just say that I think that I just realized it wasn't, we weren't nurturing it. Right. He had a full-time job, the other guy was absent and I was too focused on being an athlete. I didn't really consider like, oh, this is, you know, something you gotta really take care of.

And there's a lot of work that goes into it. And I think my partner is more so we're happy and content with, you know, let's just get by with whatever it gives us. And for me, I was like, no, this is my sole form of income. Cause I was also getting out of school and I went to school to do physical education and health and realized very quickly, like, I ain't gonna change anything in the school system.

And so it wasn't something I wanna pursue anymore. And CrossFit was, it was, you know, something I was really still deeply passionate about. And I just felt like it was the right time. And even my grandpa was a business owner, so it kind of makes sense. They need to take the business aspect of it seriously. But I just knew that I wanted to be something

that I was proud of, that really was a safe haven for others, community first, help them out. Because the community helped me out. When I went through my divorce, I had lost a ton of weight just over a span of 10 days on vacation and came back and my community was like, dude, what's up? I remember getting a phone call and some texts and all that checking in on me and just broke down crying. It was like, oh, it doesn't matter how disciplined you are, what your lifestyle looks like. When you go through hard times, you're going to need that support system to help you get back up on your feet too. And that's exactly what they did for me. And so since then, we've been really trying to cultivate that so that everybody walks through the doors, feels like they're supported and encouraged, and they all belong. Because I think at the end of the day, that's what we all want. And that just kind of helped that. And it's very fulfilling for me now, now that I've created this and realized what the big

picture is supposed to look like versus, you know, a hobby type of scenario. What year was your divorce? 2000. Well, we separated in a 2019, right? When I got so ownership, we were in the same month. So that's what I mean. It was really difficult time. And then we didn't officially divorce until 2021. But you lost that weight in 2019. Yeah, we went to Ireland on a trip and that's when I found out my spouse wanted a divorce. And I couldn't leave. Wow, that's a hell of a time to tell someone. Yeah.

So I ended up losing a bunch of weight. I'm just taking me to the park and we can save a lot of money. Right. Um, is emotional pain is crazy. Isn't it? I, um, I, when I worked at CrossFit, there was a, uh, a guy I knew and he went through a divorce and uh, He fucking just lost like 30 pounds in like two weeks like he was this big huge fucking buff dude

and fucking overnight it was like He probably went from maybe more he went from like 190 to like 150 like to where we had to have a talk with him We're like listen, dude Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, do you see. We can see your fucking cheekbones, dude. Yeah. Well, stress, you know? Yeah. For me, I couldn't eat or sleep, you know?

And so this is quite a few- Was it stress or heartbreak? I always just assumed it was heartbreak. Both, yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. I always just assumed it was heartbreak. Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but when you've, when you have a loss, you kind of become fixated on wanting what you had that you lost back. And

it's so singularly focused that you don't even, you can block out even hunger, right? Just everything is just like this. Yeah. Fire or flight for sure. I was in solo mode for sure. Okay. So then, so would you ever, would you recommend anyone ever have a partner?

Are you like, fuck a partner if you're gonna open a gym, do it solo? Personally, I'm probably only gonna do it solo here on out. But for someone who is starting, if I wanted to open a gym, do it solo? Personally, I'm probably only going to do it solo here on out. For someone who is starting, if I wanted to open a gym, I'm like, oh, I have this great partner, it's my best friend. Would you be like, not for long? It's not. Possibly. I mean, I think that there has to be very clear expectations. And there has to be a clear understanding of who owns what roles, who's responsible for what, what do we do if X happens, what do we do if Y happens,

what's the exit strategy, like there's so much that needs to go into that agreement. If you can pull that off, I think it could work. But I do personally believe that I'll never ever partner unless it's a an investment deal of some kind that's not so hands on right more passive would be okay for me. So you get to gym and I assume that they don't train there anymore after that? No, not at all. And then COVID happens. And, um, was that just a time of just sheer uncertainty where you like, like you just day by day, you're going to figure out what the fuck's going on. Can I open my doors? Yeah. But I

think, you know, honestly, it was a blessing in disguise in a lot of ways, but one of them for me was like, you know, here I am just finding out I'm going to go through divorce very heartbroken. And it forced me to pause and slow down. And so I spent a lot of my time working remote, you know, in the sun by a pool or, you know, like, truly calming down and not having to be so on because I think that was part of the problem is like, here I am destroyed on the inside, and I got to put on a happy face in front of all my members and my team. And I think there's a lot of gym owners and coaches that can

resonate with this. Like, it's really difficult to do, especially if you're really struggling. And so I think it was very helpful. And we got to see the support of the community, because, and we moved everybody virtual, but there's only so much that we were able to do to support them. And I think that they had our backs in that way, like knowing like, hey, we understand the situation, but we're gonna keep our memberships going to keep this community going. So we really felt that support for sure.

And how many members do you have now? We're at 225 today. Oh, wow. It really is a big gym. And how many did you have after when you opened the doors after COVID after those two months of closure? You know, I couldn't tell you because I bet the data wasn't even accurate. Gotcha.

Yeah. You did a whole revamping. Everything's different. Yes. Yeah. Did you even paint the insides different? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We actually, kind of funny, we... So we had all the original GSX stuff still up.

And then I rebranded and like we did it, the team and I did it in a weekend where we basically flipped the gems. So then Monday morning they come in and like, whoa, it's way different in here. Which is a huge task and endeavor, but we pulled it off, which is really cool for the gym. So then Monday morning they come in and they're like, whoa, it's way different in here, which is a huge task and endeavor, but we pulled it off, which is really cool for the members. Yeah. What, what a, uh, a bold endeavor. And how many coaches do you have? Uh, nine including, or not including myself, 10, including myself. Holy cow. Is it hard finding coaches?

It's hard finding coaches that have experience that take it seriously. I think there's a lot of coaches out there that want a free membership, unfortunately, and we're not trying to attract those individuals. We're trying to look for career coaches right now. And then there's a lot of people that really are interested in CrossFit because they're drinking in the Kool-Aid, they're enjoying it, and they want to become coaches. And we have a lot of those that come through, but I think at this rate we're kind of pumping the brakes on bringing on brand new coaches. We don't want to have to go through all the development anymore. We want to kind

of like refine and tune up those that already have those steps in. Hold on, I have to address someone is lying in the comments. Sevan doesn't support his local affiliate. That's not, that's not even... That's the guy that commented on my bookshelf. Isn't it? Jake Clapman. Jake, you can come on out and fix up my bookshelf here, bud. Yeah.

Jake, you're in big trouble. I do support my local affiliate. My kids just started going to an affiliate. I just did an affiliate. I just did an affiliate video contest. We got over 200 submissions. Two brain sponsored it. They're putting up the prize money.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Two. We have 200 submissions, Two Brain sponsored it. They're putting up the prize money. Hell yeah. Yeah, we have 200 submissions. We're gonna use them regularly on the show, which will make it 200 more videos than CrossFit HQ's made for affiliates in the past three years. It's a lot. Yeah, I'm pretty excited.

I feel like a badass. Hell yeah. I walk around every day with a little more swagger now. Have you used Two Brain as a mentor? Yes. Yeah. I don't know the exact timeframe, but I think it's been three years almost now. And why did you do? Oh, okay.

So, 2020, why did you do that? Was that scary? I know it's expensive. It is, but it's totally worth the investment. I think for me, I just, I've learned over the years that the more I invest in myself and my education from those I'm trying to model, the less headaches I'm going to have, the further along I'm going to get at a faster rate. And I'm a big believer in mentorship and Two-brain has been very, very helpful in that way for

me. That's my journey. Did you, they have so much free stuff. Did you use their free stuff first? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how I ended up on this email list, but I would geek out on the emails and I did a couple of calls.

Oh, you know, you met Chris Cooper. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. So you got an email and you geek out on the emails. Yeah. And then I think I did a couple calls before I actually pulled the trigger.

Because I was looking at TwoBrain and also Gym Launch and I landed on TwoBrain because I loved that it was a little bit more business-esque to me and that's what I really needed the help with. And still a part of it. Definitely encourage other people to look into it if you need some mentoring. I've been very profound in helping our business. Do you wish that if someone were to open a business, would you say that they just start there? Because I feel like more and more people I'm hearing it's like, hey dude, even before you open your doors, you should go talk to them.

A hundred percent. Yeah. I wish I would have done that for sure. I feel like more and more people I'm hearing it's like, hey dude, even before you open your doors, you should go talk to them. 100%. Yeah, I wish I would have done that for sure. Because then you're not gonna have to deal with as many headaches, right? Because there's so much that new owners just don't understand about business unless you really dove into the content that exists and have a strong network of people

that can help you in general. There's so many things that I did looking back that I was like, it was such a waste of time, but I thought it was the right thing to do or the thing that was going to move the needle the most. And now I'm like, oh, it doesn't matter how many members you have in your gym, what matters is how much value you deliver to them, right? Things like that that are really important. And I'm guessing you do things right the first way and you don't have to unwind things.

Yeah, because there's a lot of work that goes into correcting the things that you've created as well, which we've done a lot of over the years. Did the previous gym owners, when you got there, did they use any mentorship? No, no. And when you start the mentorship, what's that like? What's like day one of that look like? It's been a while, but I think if I remember correctly, there's like an onboarding module like where you, you know, do all the necessary basic education pieces, you get your metrics into the dashboard, and then from there, it's a matter of keeping up with it, but doing, you get your metrics into the dashboard, and then from there it's a matter of keeping up with it but doing, you know, if you for example

want to grow, you know, there's different sections in there that you can go educate yourself on and then you can also lean on your mentor and have those conversations so we do a lot of calls and things like that. I saw, I don't know, about a year or two ago, I saw some talk Don was giving and he said, and he was quoting something from one of their books, but basically, or maybe I saw it just in the two brain state of the industry report, but 90% of the affiliates that use two brain

have an increase in profit. Yeah, I'm not surprised. You're not surprised. There's just a different way of thinking, right? Like it truly is for creating a solid business, right? Whereas a love crossfit, but it's predominantly about coaching, which it should be in my opinion. But I think

that there's just so much to learn in business. And what's great about working with two brain adults, in my opinion, is it's not just applicable what you learn for fitness and gyms, it's also applicable to any business that you want to create. All the basic principles are there and trying to identify who your client is, like your ideal client. How do you best serve them? What are the core offerings that you're going to have? How do you deliver more about value to them? How long are they sticking around? Like all the things that are really, really important that just you don't hear about on the CrossFit side and that's okay. You know?

Yeah. And I do think that's okay. That CrossFit's not on the business side of it but ironically the funny thing that you just said is CrossFit HQ could probably take that class and apply some of those same things to affiliates. Yeah for sure. Hattie Morave. Why are you still an affiliate? Why do you still pay your affiliate fees? What do you get from it? Personally, I just, you know, I really believe in CrossFit and I know that's not the same school of thought for some, especially with the rate

increase and all that. For me, it's like, I know that this works and I love the experiences that I've had with it personally. So there's an emotional aspect to it for sure. And I just think that, you know, if I truly believe in it and have a strong conviction for it, I'm still going to uphold the brand and do what we can to help people live happier, healthier lives. Um, I have, I have a friend who's a nine year affiliate. And I said, I asked him, I said, why are you still paying your affiliate fees? And they said, because I want to be a 10 year affiliate. And I said to him, Hey, dude, no, if you're not a CrossFit affiliate, you still can be a 10 year affiliate, you

just won't be a CrossFit affiliate. And, and it's interesting, because you just came out and said it's emotional and a piece of its emotional. And I remember, you know, Greg, staying to a group of us at CrossFit at one point, I want to say it was around 2018, hey guys, cat's out of the bag. And we're like, what? He goes, we got nothing else to offer. Like that's it. And I'm like, what do you mean? And he's like, it's a brand loyalty payment

now. We have to like, we were like, they know, they know everything. We have to just remind them that they have the cure for the world's most vexing problems. So they don't forget. And then we need to, and then I need to just start making sure I maintain more education for them, litigate any against anyone who's a threat to the mark, and then legislate. Meaning like if someone's going to like, you know, other companies have tried to come in and try to make it so if you want to have it like a licensure, right, they don't want the we don't want to be like hair cutting to where like you have to go to a certain school that's controlled by the government to get the portion of the money to

start taxing you guys. You know what I mean? Or like, so, and then now, so here we are. And obviously you've been, you're, you're as OG as they get, man, you saw the whole fucking thing. You saw when we were all fucking obsessed with Annie, Eva and Nicole to, to frowning era, to the explosion, to all the way up to 2018 when the media team, or 1918 when the media team vanished. Then you saw Eric Rosa come in, and then you saw Don Fahl come in. I mean, you've done the whole thing. It's interesting. So for did you, do you, have you ever thought about deaffiliating? Have you ever gotten close?

We had during all the political crap with, you know, George Floyd and all that. But I think for me now, like I realized, like, at least in my experience, they are the best organization to create great coaches, professional coaches, and not everybody that gets their L1 is gonna be a professional coach or an L2. But I do believe it's the best organization out there to actually do that. And I've seen it firsthand

because when I was doing the internship for the seminar staff, you know, the Flowmasters are there. They're constantly giving feedback and trying to work on their coaches, the team that's actually out there delivering the experience for everybody to coach them up. And I have been to several CrossFit gyms, and I do realize that that is something that could definitely be improved, at least from my experience. Most of the gyms I go to, there's not a whole lot of coaching. But if you compare that to your standard personal trainer certification, I mean, CrossFit is going to be leaps and bounds ahead of those in particular that I've seen at least.

And so I think that the more we can support them in that aspect, cool. That's good enough for me. Hey, does anyone every once in a while, and I think it's for show, but every once in a while, there'll be these panels over the last six or four or five years since Greg sold the company, there'll be these panels that are put together. Have you ever been on any of those panels? You know what I mean? It'll be like a panel of affiliates.

I've done like a call, but no. You've never been like part of, like, have they ever reached out to you in any way to be a sit on that? I mean God I want I wonder um do you know where CrossFit Iron Horse sits on the Oldest affiliates I don't know Like I said, it'll be 14 years next month

So I imagine it's got to be somewhere up there But I know what the the oldest affiliate is this is 15 16 18 years. I don't know 20 what the oldest affiliate is. Is it 15, 16, 18 years? I don't know. 20. I want to say someone has a, I want to say there was an, there's a 19 or 20 year old affiliate somewhere. That's why you got to be in the top hundred. I bet you you're in the top hundred.

Cool. Do you, do you, do you ever have any clients, have you had any clients break off and start their own gym? No, but I had a coach do that. I never had any clients, no. And how was that? Is that something you're proud of or is that something that hurts? I mean, now I think it's something I'm proud of, but back then it hurt quite a bit. And I think that just goes back to being a better leader personally.

Like I think in general, like business owners, gym owners, we could all be better in a lot of ways. And we're also usually the last ones to get feedback and how to improve. Um, but I think if I've learned anything in two brain is that a lot of our business success goes back to leadership, and there are going to be times where there are quote-unquote, breakups with members, with coaches, with just particular relationships. And it's how you show up as, you know, a great person after that, despite the heartbreak or the challenge or the hurt. And just understand that's going to happen. That's part of it. And that's taken me a long time to realize.

So back then, yeah, I was a little butthurt about it, but now I'm like, it's all good, man. Andy Hendel, 20 year affiliate. Okay, CrossFit Charlotte. That's where we do Kill Taylor every Saturday. Okay. What's Candice's two rep max bench? I couldn't tell you, man.

All I know is that my lifts are like a hundred pounds off of what they were when I was competing, like legitimately. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Like my back squat is like a hundred pounds off plus. And are you good with that? Yeah. But again, that kind of goes back to like, you don't realize how difficult that transition is going to be from competitor to, you know,

your normal self that you probably would be better off being for health purposes anyway. But I think now I'm mature enough in my age to realize like, there's no way I want to do that anymore. I don't want to put in those hours of training. I don't want to have all the sacrifices I had. I want to enjoy a Marguerite on the weekend, you know? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And midweek even.

Yeah, right, right. Thursday night. CrossFit Williamsville, Seve's haircut is crushing it. Well, thank you. Thanks for doing this for the community brother. I love the repping of our affiliates. Yeah, always. I always get bummed when I kind of drift away

from this affiliate series. So what, if someone wants to open an affiliate, I think some of the things we talked about is, implicitly and explicitly is like, hey, it's not gonna be enough to be a passion gem. You should consider strongly about it being a business. What would be your primary advice to someone who's opening it? And then also with that, don't you need that passion too? Yes. Yeah. You have to be passionate for sure because it's hard.

It's very difficult. And I'd be lying if I said, oh, I never wanted to close it down or throw in the towel because I think every gym owner can resonate with that. We call that in two brain $13 days where you're just over it, you're burnt out, and you would sell for $13. And I think if you're really going to do it, you have to be passionate. You have to have a mentor that's going to help you over the speed bumps and navigate the challenges that are inevitably going to arise. But also, just make sure that you have a really solid game plan and exit strategy because you know, gosh forbid something doesn't go right, you know, at least you have that to fall back on. I think a lot of times new owners put themselves in positions on their leases or agreements that

kind of, you know, pigeonhole them into not having anything, but I have to make this work. And if you're unable to, well, that's it. You know, you could have a failing business and you kind of want to have that prepared for your own safety and security. My exit strategy was always move back in with my mom until I was like I don't know I'd probably still do it just take my whole she has a three-bedroom house now. What would an exit strategy be for a gym? What would that look like? So for example like if you're on a lease and you wanted to sell to someone can you transfer the lease or you still hook? Things like that. I don't think a whole lot of new owners Consider because it's just such a new world

Meaning okay and someone might think that well that's stupid. No, but I can see it already. So you sign a lease It's ten years. It's 10 years It's non-transferable. You're five years in and you're like, okay I'm gonna switch to this other guy and your landlord's like nope and you're like, but they're gonna pay the rent He's like I don't give a fuck Give me if you want out pay the full five years and beat it and then okay. Okay And and uh, I remember seeing some things like that Yeah, I remember it because you're not dealing with people with hearts on the other side or people who are being logical. The person who owns your property might be either

an asshole or just some corporation that's not even gonna like they're not gonna bend. Yeah and that too make sure you establish a good relationship with those people. Yeah. Yeah. All right is there anything you'd like to share? No I really appreciate you having me on Sevan. Yeah you're awesome. Thanks for doing it. I love scrolling through your Instagram. What a All right, is there anything you'd like to share? No, I really appreciate you having me on, Savon. Yeah, you're awesome. Thanks for doing it. I love scrolling through your Instagram. What a powerful, wonderful human being who lives, I mean, you're only 40, you live such

a full life already. That's so cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Do you go to the CrossFit Games? Do you attend that? I did this past year as a spectator, but outside of competing, no.

This was the only time. Oh, and it was in your hood this year? Yeah. It was like five minutes down the road. Did you have a lot of guests there? Did a lot of athletes come there? Yeah. I don't know the exact count.

I want to say we had like 500 drop-ins or something nuts though. It was a lot. And a lot of that's because we worked with Mayhem, and they had some great coaches come in and kind of like let us go watch and observe while they ran the show. And it was a really, it was a really good experience despite everything that had happened. Did you, who did you, did you have a point of contact at Mayhem? Josh and TJ and then Kristi Novak. Yeah, they were like the main ones. And did you like them?

Oh yeah, they were great. They were great. I'll come back anytime. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great culture there. They have such good people. All right, girl. Well, thank you. Hope to run into you someday. If you ever want to come back on and talk about anything you're doing at your gym, hit me up. Great to meet you. I'm always, it's funny, no matter who I bring on who uses Two-Brain, they got nothing but positive things to say. And so I appreciate you sharing that story. Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. All right. Have a good day.

You too. Bye. Ciao. Candice Wagner, CrossFit Iron Horse, dear CrossFit, maybe reach out to her. Holy shit. She done it all. She's seen it all. That's some fucking Nate and Nasty Girl is crazy. Holy shit. Um, uh, um, dude, I, I, you anyway, I don't know if I should be defensive or not.

Should I do Jake? Do you want me to tear you up or something? You are you all lubed up? You got the baby oil on you want to be torn up or not? I'm ready to fucking. I tear you up boy. Okay. Let's go.

Yeah, Mason. Mason would love to see you're ready. You're all lubed up. Listen, you fucking ding dong. I'm the greatest thing that ever happened to affiliates. I say that with peace and love and zero humility. I'm the greatest thing that happened and love and zero humility. And the greatest thing that happened to athletes and affiliates,

tell me I'm fucking not, I not only pay affiliate fees in my area, but I fucking do everything in my fucking power to fucking promote them. You need to lick my sack. You douche canoe. All right. There were some funny things I came across yesterday. How come I can't scroll down all the way? What the hell is going on here? Oh I can make this full screen? Oh.

I can't get to the bottom of my email. There's some like bar at the bottom. It's like blocking. All right. Uh, my, um, where I'm staying here in Newport beach, it's, it's a tat. It's one house in from the, uh, corner of the street. What's up, Scott? Good to see you, buddy. Where I'm staying in Newport Beach, my house is one in from the corner

and on the corner is an ice cream shop. Yeah. Okay, remember that. Okay. I'm one in, I'm one in from an ice cream shop. Just remember that. So, have you day drinking again today? No. Maybe. Today's Obby's birthday. I don't know. I don't know. I had like, I barely drank yesterday for breakfast and it kind of fucked up my whole day. I didn't like it.

Nobody, when I was a teenager, mentioned the word mindfulness. And do you know why that was? Because we were mindful half of every fucking day because we didn't have a choice. We didn't have a fucking cable service in our fucking pocket. You waited for somebody, you waited.

Mindfulness. You were on the bus, you're on the bus. Watching condensation drip. Mindfulness. I didn't realize I was like a fucking guru before I got a cell phone. You want to return a VHS? You got to rewind that shit. Mindfulness.

Have you ever rewound anything in your life? You are the post rewind generation and I'm not judging you. I'm just saying that there were times when we were forced to be with ourselves. You know, I used to take a shit. Just shit. I can't remember the last time I just took a shit. It was definitely over a decade ago. Because nobody, when I was a teenager, mentioned the word mindfuck. So I live, I'm staying one block from the corner. By the way, someone said, are you going to the Nike training center?

I don't know who said that. I would never do anything that's Nike. Like never, ever, ever, ever. I wouldn't that. I would never do anything that's Nike. Like never. Ever, ever, ever. I wouldn't do, I wouldn't, I would, I would never do anything Nike. I wouldn't wear Nikes. I wouldn't go into a Nike store unless I had to take a shit. I wouldn't. I think everyone, everyone I've ever met who works, has either worked at Nike or been affiliated with Nike is a world-class douchebag on the fucking highest level. It's just so fucking consistent.

I have no interest in Nike. I think they're racist, homophobic, totalitarian fucking pieces of shit. All the people I've known who've ever worked there are just cogs in a wheel and they're fucking morons with no fucking real world fucking experience. I mean, there might be someone great who works there or something, but I'm just saying, uh, I have yet to experience anything positive from Nike ever in my fucking

life, not even a fucking tiny bit. I guess Michael Jordan school. I'm, I enjoyed watching him play basketball, but everything that they've been affiliated with is just pure fucking fascist garbage scumbaggery. I think it's a vile brand. It's a, I have a horrible it's, it's absolutely fucking horrible. I don't know if you've ever met anyone who works at Nike or who works at Apple or who works at one

of these giant companies there They're fucking vapid NPCs like they're just cogs in a wheel of just layers and layers and layers of management They can't fucking get anything done. They have no fucking skill set They would be the first to fucking die if something weird happened. It is uh don't you have a macbook sevi? No I have fucking 10 macbooks you fucking jackass. Uh can I have oh thank you oh could you get me an orange vanilla sparkling water? I prefer that one.

Judy, that's every large corporation. Yeah, it's just, it's just Antwoord Motorcycle. No, I sold the motorcycle. Listen, when I got fired, I did fucking liquidate liquidate. I did liquidate. I have fucking thousand iPhones too. What can I say? Uh, can I have an orange iPhones too. What can I say? Can I have an orange juice please? No, not an orange juice. Orange vanilla sparkling water.

This is so good. It's like drinking suntan lotion. So I live on this corner. Remember the story I told you about about the parking lot where a guy was in his Lambo? This guy met was in his Lambo and he was parked and a car came around the corner and fucking drove up on it. I live in a very similar parking lot where a guy was in his Lambo. This guy I met was in his Lambo and he was parked and a car came around the corner and drove up on it. I live in a very similar parking lot. It's a crazy parking lot. There's just people everywhere, there's cars everywhere

and it's right on this massive beautiful beach. It's insane. And there's this strip of bars and coffee shops and tchotchke shops and it's so cool. And there's just super beef everywhere and chachki shops. And it's so fucking cool. And there's just super be everywhere and bikes and skateboards. But, um, but it's all just fucking, uh, cool ass Trump supporters.

There's no fucking wing nuts here. There's no one fucking like a walking around with like their balls hanging out of the side of their pants. There's no fucking tents. There's no drug addicts. There's no dog poop everywhere. It's just cool fucking people. And they got a little farmer's market on Saturdays and, and handcraft shit.

And it's cool. It's like, uh, it's like what it used to be like to go to, to, to be a, uh, uh, cool hippie. Like all the poor people here are just cool fucking hippies, but it's mostly just fucking rich people and it's fucking awesome And there's just fucking Bentley's and Ferrari's and Porsche's and just it's just it's a dope spot And every day at six o'clock the Beaver March comes out You know all the girls who are running come out and they're barely dressed and they run around and all the hot dudes who are Juiced to the gills. It's cool

and right on the corner next to me is an ice cream shop. And that street is the main thoroughfare that comes into this parking lot. So this parking lot's a horseshoe, right? And there's a street that enters the parking lot at the center, and then everyone has to make a right. And then you do a loop around the parking lot and start looking for your spot to park.

But it pulls up right adjacent. When you make that right-hand turn, there's an ice cream shop, ice cream shop there. No, it's not. It's not, it's not, uh, I described it poorly. It's not commercial. Like all the shops, the buildings have all been here, like probably 150 years. Like it's not commercial at all.

That's what's so cool about it. It's not like that at all. It's still, um, the, you know, It's still, the bars here say open at six and they're still fucking drunks pouring out like old timers and there's rats on the wall in the restaurants you eat in and it's cool. It's cool, it's cool as shit. Mom and pop owned coffee shops.

It's dope. No Starbucks. Anyway, so don't interrupt my story. So no, not touristy. It's not touristy. It's not touristy. Tourists can't afford to be here. Unless you're a cool ass tourist.

You know Sarah Cox. She has peptides.com. Oh yeah, beach ball bar. Yeah, you know. Suzy knows. Yeah. I mean, it is, this place is gangster. David, you would flourish here. You would flourish here. You would flourish here. Okay. Ken Walters. Yes. So there's an ice cream shop on the corner and yesterday I come out

of my, of where I'm staying and I make a left onto the street and right there's an ice cream shop on the corner. And yesterday I come out of where I'm staying and I make a left onto the street. And right there is the corner and that's where the ice cream shop is. And standing in the street on the corner, that's the main thoroughfare where cars have to pull into this parking lot that is the beachfront, there's a dozen girls there maybe maybe more maybe 15 girls aged

11 to 15 What the fuck How old is little Okay, and what was the oldest girl Okay, obviously is 9 to 15 I was off not to 15. How many girls would you say there were? And he says 10 girls. What did I say, a dozen to 15? Okay, so it's girls 9 to 15 and there's 10. Can I go on with my story? Okay, thank you.

And they're standing there and they're standing in the street. They're standing in the street. You think it really mattered that I had the age wrong, 12 to 15, the nine to 15? You think that that was an important time to correct me? So where was I? So there's a dozen girls standing in the street and they're junior high age and they're all and they're in two bundles they're in

two groups and they're all they're in these two like huddles and they're looking at their phones actually it looked like they were all looking at one phone they were that's correct and phone. They were, that's correct. And cars are pulling up and going around them to make the right hand turn. And I'm sitting there just watching this. I can't even fucking believe what I was seeing. I was like, if those were my kids,

and that's when I realized that's why I homeschooled my kids. I said, hey, look at this, what do you guys see? And they're like, we see dumb kids standing in the street looking at their phones. I said, thank you. I'm glad you see the same thing I see. Seve, are you saying that those girls are asking to be hit? That's the same dumb shit that people say to me when I'm like, hey man, maybe you shouldn't

be posting 3000 pictures in a row of you and your bra and panties on the fucking Instagram and then be surprised when perverts are chasing you. No, I'm not saying that these girls are asking to be hit. Wow. What a great comparison. I'm fucking shit up right now. No, I'm not saying that these girls are asking to be hit No, they weren't eating ice cream great question great question Barry I

Was I actually thought they were from afar at first from like 30 feet away But then I as I walked up I haven't said to the boys man the ice cream shops always busy But it was actually closed. I don't know if they were waiting for it to open or what but it was actually closed Jake what's your point? This isn't the fucking Isle of Man. This isn't like people purposely go up on the side of the fucking racetrack and risk their life watching motorcycles buzz by 200 miles an hour.

These are fucking people's treasures. These are their Mona Lisa's. These are their David's. People made these little girls and cherish these girls and love these little girls But they haven't taught them not to stand in the street when cars are making right-hand turns into a busy parking lot What the fuck is going on? That's what happens when you send your kid to school. They don't learn any lessons like that They're all sitting around looking at their phone not being mindful like that. They're all sitting around looking at their phone, not being mindful.

One, one fucking misstep. One fucking 70 year old lady fucking hits the fucking gas instead of the break. And all those girls are dead. And I want to tell you where I failed them too. I should have walked up to him gently and been like, ladies, your parents love you. Stand on the sidewalk. I should have said that. I should have said so. I should have said it's like that.

Like that's like the what'd you say? And he said, I would have gotten arrested for talking to under underage girls. Typical Newport girls. I'm telling you these these girls these girls have white privilege they shouldn't be doing this I see this shit in fucking Oakland all the fucking time I thought only black kids did this no I just made that up no I just made that up I don't think that you guys don't listen to my show you're ruining my bits. Yes, you are. No, I didn't do anything, Sean.

I just pointed. Well, I did do one thing. I showed my boys. I'm like, listen, I will fuck you up if I ever see you standing on a street corner like that one fucking cars are going around the corner. Way too much work into you for your shit to be fucked up. Oh, damn. You know what I wanted to ask Candice? She said she was naturally athletic, but I wanted to call her on that and be like,

you're not naturally athletic. You fucking worked your ass off for that. Damn it. Standing in the street. And I already, I'll admit to you, I already have this issue with people who stand on street corners and there'll be a light post there and they stand on the in between the light post in the street. Why would you do that while you're waiting across the street? Why not back up behind the light post? It's only two steps further back. And if a car loses control knowing what's going on.

My uh, Haley what's injured on me? My QL. My QL is injured. And I told, and uh, and uh, Susa says cause your hips are injured and I told and uh and uh Suza says cuz your hips are tight and I was like fuck you my hips are not tight. I'm so fucking flexible eat a dick Then my wife goes to me last night. Hey, it's cuz your hips are tight I'm like what? My hips are tight. That's what Suza said. Why the fuck are you telling me that my hips aren't tight

What's the pose I do cow face pose? Are you telling me that my hips aren't tight? What's the pose I do cow face pose? So she goes hey do this pose then to stretch to loosen your hips I'm like dude you don't understand I am like Yeah, I'm like Gumby I got there's nothing you can teach me oh, I'm not using that guy I'm using this girl And so my my wife says hey you should do this pose let me see if I can pull up this pose for you guys. Shit. Accept cookies. I hate accepting cookies. Damn it.

Where is that? So my wife tells me I should do this pose. I heard my QL through, I played the game risk. This is my wife's assessment. I played the game risk on a bed for six hours straight with my kids. And I was the whole time, I was like, Oh, this is fucking my body up in this position. I'm sitting in. And then I went and played football with them. And I threw a football like fucking like I'm Tom Brady and, uh, and I was playing Wolf

football with them pitching. And I, and I threw something happened. My QL. So my wife goes, can you do this pose right here? And I cannot do this pose. I cannot believe I cannot do this pose. Before anyone's like, I can do that. I can do that. You have to have both your hips on the ground at the same.

You have to have both your butt cheeks on the ground. Look how that lady sitting, see how both her butt cheeks are equally weighted on the ground. When I get into that pose, I'm like on one butt cheek. Are you laughing at? Thank you. Hold on. I'll ask her. Haley, Jake Chapman wants to know what pose he needs to do because his pet keeps cramping when he shaves his anus.

I asked her. She'll get back to me shortly. Oh, she says get someone else to shave it. There you go. She's very solution oriented. Anyway, so I guess my hips are tight. That's really weird. Anyway, your hips don't lie. Ask Shakira. All right. No, Barry. You know that Haley doesn't play with. No one touches my anus. Toilet paper touches my anus.

That's it. Ipoticus. Thank you. It can be overworked and if you have weak glutes compensating for hip abduction, this overuse results in tightness which will result in poor posture posture often an increased back arch and standing. Wow! I have all of that. I mean I don't stand so arched that like Diddy wants to ass pound me. I don't stand like that. You know what I mean? I'm not a sway back. But um and I don't have poor posture but I probably do overcompensate. Like I have really crazy

back flexibility. And so when I squat, when I squat, I was given the wrong cues for years. To keep my chest upright, I would just arch my back. I was stupid. I should have just done the Rob Orlando School of Strongman. I think it would have been so much better for me. I would have just done the Rob Orlando school of strongman. I think it would have been so much better for me. I would have been a much better strongman lifting odd objects off the ground,

pulled forward. I don't know if my glutes are weak. I did do the day before I did do a shitload of fucking lunges and my glutes were sore. Anyway, it sucks. I feel like it's an old man injury. I've never had my cue. I didn't even know I had a QL and that from just throwing the football. And, uh, and then yesterday I was playing frisbee on the beach and I broke out into a full sprint a couple of times and that really aggravated it.

Like really, really aggravated it. I've been deadlifting heavy. I did 50 deadlifts at 205 the other day. I've been squat cleaning a lot I did a before I came on this trip I did two workouts one of them had 50 squat cleans at 95 and another one had 50 squat cleans at 105 so I so I had been working it it started I, I hadn't done squat cleans in fucking a lifetime. Do I have a flat ass, Haley? Yeah.

No, I don't have a flat ass. She says I have a nice butt, nice legs. Yeah, people will comment on my legs all the time. I have nice legs. Don't go too far. She fucked it all up. She's like, you have a nice butt, you have a nice body. She should up. She's like give a nice butt. You have a nice body She should have just stopped you have a nice butt

Thank you Anyway, please teach your kids not to fucking stand on street corners looking at their phone Okay, you crossFit or Pilates or the dance class? Have fun. I'll hold down the fort. Mindfulness. Mindfulness. Just a tiny bit of mindfulness. I wanted to show you this video too. This is, this is, This is, this is exactly how I was raised.

This is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is exactly how I was raised. This is, this is exactly how I was raised. I saw this video and I'm like, holy shit, this is exactly this.

I've tried to explain this to you guys before about how Democrats like they pretend like they care about poor people, but they don't. They just they pity them and feel sorry for them. And when I saw this and I was like, yeah, this is how it is. They think that they're better than them. You're trained to be better than them under the, under the guise of your being kind. Here it is. Listen to this.

This lady used to work for the democratic national committee, Evan Barker. Here's her being interviewed. Listen to this. She said that Kamala Harris worked at McDonald's and told everybody else that currently works at McDonald's, all the working class people, that there was hope for them yet. So I just found the entire programming to be incredibly patronizing.

It was a cringe fest. It's just so patronizing. Instead of someone saying like some kid being like, or some adult being like, yeah, I got a job at McDonald's or I'm the manager to Jack in the Box, or yeah, I just got a promotion at Starbucks. Instead of being excited or happy for them or supporting them, realizing that everyone is just on their own path, it's like, don't worry, there's hope for you. Don't worry. Don't worry.

It's just everything that is emblematic of the Democratic Party and how out of touch they are right now, which is regular people that are struggling. And if you weren't raised like that, it's really hard to comprehend. Or if you're like that, it's really hard to like process it because you think you're being a good person. Oh, I'm gonna invite the nanny over for Christmas because she's a Mexican lady and I feel sorry for her. And her family's in Mexico. It's like that.

It's like you're always doing something for someone else. No one's your equal. It's very nuanced. But it's in everything. It's why you give money to homeless people. You give them a dollar because you're a good person. But you don't connect with them. You don't make eye contact with them and be like, Hey, what's up, dude?

Hey, hi. Oh, wow. Uh, I'm in central California now. My daughter will be 23 next month and lives in Laguna Niguel. Beautiful spot. Laguna Niguel, beautiful spot, Laguna Niguel, absolutely beautiful. They don't like trans people because they like trans people, they like trans people because they think they're better than them. They think they, they, they think that they're like, um, they accept people because, um, they think it's the right thing to do, not because they really accept them. I was, I was, I was watching this video the other day of this black lady who went to a Trump rally and she's like,

holy shit, everyone here is so nice. And someone in the comments goes, it's cause everyone here doesn't care. Like they're not being nice to you because they're They're not they're not being nice to you because they're supposed to be nice to you People from the south are just nice to you because they're fucking nice people Woman walks in the room fucking all the men should stand up Not because they're supposed to but because they're nice men because they were trained to do but because they're nice men, because they were trained to do that and they were trained to respect women. Honor women.

Not trained to feel sorry for fucking people. No one, no one, no, no, no one on the right, most people on the right, they don't care if you're trans or gay or black or they don't, they don't care. And on the left, they care because they think they're supposed to care and they, and they pity you. They want to, Oh, tell me about your victimness. Yeah, that's, that's it. That's how you're raised.

And it's so hard to get out of it because you're so self-righteous in thinking that what you're doing is right. It feels so good. You're helping those poor people. Oh, my God, they're so pathetic. Conservatives would love abortion, right? It's such a conservative thing. Abortion is just dead liberals. We're not aborting farmers and electricians, dude. It's just piles of music theater majors. What? Grow up, it's an abortion joke, they can't.

Can't grow up, pretty funny. You think conservatives would love abortion, right? It's such a conservative thing. Abortion's just dead liberals. We're not aborting farmers and electricians dude. It's just piles of music theater majors. He ain't lying. He ain't lying.

Those reaction videos are normally such shite, but that one was amazing. Good choice, Evy. I know I loved his reaction too, Jake. I love that reaction. I was, I was watching a lot of Diddy stuff yesterday. Lot of Diddy stuff. Lot of Diddy stuff. Diddy, Diddy, Diddy.

The Diddler. Gotta love the diddy stuff. Excuse me, when did black people switch to the Democrats? Great question. So I did a poll the other day asking people when they believe black people switch from voting for the Republicans to the Democrats. As you can see by the poll, 57% of the people who took the poll believe that it happened in the 1960s. As hard as see by the poll, 57% of the people who took the

poll believe that it happened in the 1960s. As hard as it may be for you to believe, that's actually the wrong answer. As you can see by this chart here, black people actually switched to voting for the Democrats in 1936. The previous election, black people put 70% of their vote behind the Republican president. The very next election, black people put 71% of their vote behind the Democrat. In 1936, it flipped. In 1936, during the heyday of the Ku Klux Klan. Weird, right? President and as a block, black people haven't voted for the Republicans since.

We often hear about the party switch, how when black people joined the Democrats because of civil rights or the racist Democrats joined the Republican party. But black people joined the Democrats in 1936 when they were the party of the Ku Klux Klan, when they hung black people, when they suppressed black people's vote, when they segregated and did redlining, that's when Black people switched to the Democrats. Even though the Republicans were the party of freedom, reconstruction, and all these things, they switched to the party of overt racism because FDR offered them the New Deal welfare benefits.

Just think about that. During George Floyd was the largest number of black on black fucking murders this country's ever seen. And yet that's when the BLM movement flourished. So now instead of having the story being that white people hate black people, they've gotten the black people to hate their own people. But I think something's switching. I think they're figuring it out.

White educated people for some reason can't figure it out because that education is really just indoctrination. They didn't allow their fear of racism to stop them from voting strategically. If someone has owned your vote for over 80 plus years, that means they know they don't have to do anything to earn it. That means they take it for granted. If the other party knows that they have never gotten your vote for over 80 plus years, it means they never have to try to get it. At the end of the day, it means that no one values your vote. If we were to switch parties one time as a monolith, it would disrupt the entire system. The Democrats would see that we finally understand the power of our vote, and the Republicans would see that we're willing to negotiate for our vote, as opposed to giving it to someone who just takes

it as granted. But at the end of the day what I always say is human capital is more important than political capital. Everyone who came to this country who sought human capital outpaces white Americans. All those who sought political capital lag economically. Thank y'all for watching. I'll see you in the next video. Peace. It's funny seeing how defensive all the people are in the comments too. It's crazy. It's awesome. It's awesome.

The thing is, it's so fucking hard to get off the plantation because you're so well taken care of there. I mean, just with your, when I say so well taken care of there, just with your basic needs, you know, clean water, little pocket cash, and freedom is so fucking scary to people. I get it. I get it. When my elderly fucking white liberal friends, they don't want to hear how corrupt pharma is, because they're towards the end of their life,

and they're so scared of the fact that they've been duped this whole fucking time. It's terrifying to them because they rely so much on the fucking medical fucking industrial complex. I saw Jack Tatum once. I saw Jack Tatum once. On the freeway. He was driving in a Cadillac. I was young. Maybe I was 16. I think I was driving.

I think he's dead now, right? I saw a Cadillac and it said the license plate said Tatum. In Oakland on the 80. On the 80, 580 interchange right before you get on the Bay Bridge to San Francisco I saw him in his car. I clonked and waved. He waved back. Oh, I always, uh, Rambler, I saw Taylor Swift in Atlanta two weeks ago. Oh, I always thought you were gay. That's cool. I think he paralyzed a guy for life. I think he hit a guy so hard he paralyzed him. Judy Reed, I was at a Trump rally back in 2020. A car stopped us with a black family and the little girl was screaming hysterically out the window.

Mommy, these, those people want to kill us. They're so brainwashed right from birth. Yep. Lots of minorities do that to their lots of people do that. The Jews do that too. Tell their kids that it's going to be a fucking tough battle their whole fucking life. Crazy to tell a little kid that. One of my members just sold four Taylor Swift tickets for $10,000 a piece, bought them for $600. That's awesome. It actually hurt my heart.

Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal, brutal, brutal. Man, hey, that's the same thing as the trans movement. People... It's the exact same mindset as that. Doctrinating your kids. When you have kids and they do things that you like, you celebrate those things. So you see your kid pick up a, yesterday I saw my son Ari pick up him and his brother's plates and carry them to the kitchen sink.

I'm like, boss move Ari, nice job dude. Your mom's going to love that. She's going to really appreciate that. Good job. You see your kid step out in front of a bicyclist and he goes, oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. You tell your kid that a boy good job.

So here is a young girl getting rewarded. This is a young, I don't know, seven or eight year old girl being rewarded for dancing like a stripper. Absolutely insane. Yeah, that's money. They're cashing her out. That's what you call that. Please don't watch this. Please don't watch this. Please don't watch this. Please don't watch this that please don't watch this please don't watch this please don't watch this please don't watch this please don't watch this thank

you absolutely insane yeah and the strippers are tranny that's right that kid is being rewarded that kid will remember this moment for the rest of their life how high they got the endorphin rush they got by being celebrated by all these adults for dancing like a stripper with a tranny. Do you think one of those people are Republicans? All right. We should get, leave you on a good note. Love you guys. are Republicans.