The Sevan Podcast - CrossFit Talk + NorCal Classic Programming | Shut Up & Scribble Ep 15

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

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what an intro it's episode 15 shut up and scribble my door's wide open i just realized that peter's here taylor's here jr's here ladies and gentlemen this is the main event of the evening So keep the political commentary to yourself. Or as someone once said, shut up and dribble. Remember that time that Peter hit a massive dab on the show and no one reacted except for me on this show no it was what i called it was what i called castro a beta i dabbed after i said it and as soon as i dabbed i was like dude what the fuck did you just do that for that intro is perfect because it then makes it past the 30 second mark where i can't swear i was gonna say and peter just that's the first time anyone's

dropped a curse word before you dude is it is it is it 30 seconds i thought i've been trying i've been i've been shooting for 10 minutes i've fallen flat on my face every time but i thought it was 10 minutes well we're not fucking going 10 minutes yeah this is just sabotage that's if i'm editing something i typically take everything out of it any f words out that's just your for maximum reach religious moral standing though i mean hillar does it too yeah freaking freaking so what's up hey Peter how are you guys this is um

this feels a bit special I like this it feels very intimate yeah it's weird not having like 12 boxes with everyone talking over everyone who has self-help book that's an interesting uh

they have a bit of feedback for us what's that hold up down means she thinks we should we should put brown paper bags over our heads while the intro is going so that you don't have to see our dead faces me and my word johnson are you kidding me i hit a little we're head bumping or we should do like you know how chase and bill like one of them's playing the air drums one of them's you know what i mean like they really get into the music we should do something like that

like we should just lip sync what she's saying just hit that hit him with i will say i do think about this the other that the other week that there should be a video playing while the intro is going instead of us sitting there like could you get the picture of uh jr and taylor in their prom pose and just have it, you know, the way. Not even dance, but you know that like, you know, when you're in a meeting and the TV is on pause and the thing is moving around and you're waiting for it to bounce into the corner. I can do that for sure. Easily. That would be great.

Good idea, Peter. Who's he referencing? Didn't Jared write? Grabeo. That would be great. Good idea, Peter. Invoice us. Who's he referencing? Didn't Jared write? Grabiel. Jared fucking Subway Jared? Jared Grabiel, isn't it? Somehow I manage.

No, that's Michael Scott. Who are you referencing, Keeper? We all know, I think. Should be a video. All right. Workouts. Whether or not they're good. You're like the bumpers in the bowling alley. What are we talking about, dude?

Okay. I know Taylor's's just gonna read the comments and laugh for the first 10 to 15 minutes are we talking about norcal first norcal crossfit i'm having a terrible day but let's go tell us about it no way i couldn't tell taylor just sent me a freaking book to my phone i'm like that's what i know does that mean does that mean you gave Will a verbal lashing? Yeah, I gave him a verbal lashing. A literal lashing.

Every two months, Taylor has a freak out day and my phone just starts blowing up with these massive text messages. And every time I say, hey dude, why don't you tell me some of this stuff before you just get to a list of five things that you want to happen at one time. And then it never happens.

So when we were on the phone earlier talking about programming and all of a sudden he says, you ever feel like you're just getting really overwhelmed. I should have sent you a text. You guys dumped my shit out to the world. I said I was having a bad day. Not exactly what was happening. And then he just tries to overwhelm someone else.

So he feels better about it. Exactly. It reminds me of this girl I dated and it would seem like before every class was happening and then he just tries to overwhelm someone else so he feels better about it exactly it reminds me of this girl i dated and it would seem like before every class that i was about to coach she would send me this text about the worst thing that happened to her knowing that i was about to coach a class i'm like well now i'm gonna think about this person hanging themselves in their closet while i'm trying to breathe 21 15 9 of the whiteboard um anyways nor cal classic do you guys see the alien did anyone believe that the alien was real until you knew it was fake i thought it was real dude i knew it was fake as soon as i well i thought it was fake from the beginning but then whenever i saw someone grab

it and i saw that it was like literally this big i was like what do you mean someone grab it someone actually physically grabbed it yeah i grabbed it oh jeez and then i was like we all know it's fake because i know aliens are at least eight foot tall but also it's like it's all i always find it very convenient how any kind of evidence of alien is exactly what we find in the movies it's never like like why are they always humanoid why is it not like you know like our imaginations are so narrow that it's like well i mean our imaginations are so narrow that it's like well i mean it has to walk like us at least and have four limbs i mean anything outside of that is impossible i'm just like they found that there's a 30 dna that's unaccounted for it's

like so the alien is a 70 match for humans joe rogan when joe rogan talks about how like aliens probably don't have a physical form, aliens that can transport here. If they exist, I think they're probably like just this massive consciousness. Anyways, a blob of jelly.

It's just really funny that this Mexican guy is standing in Mexican Congress with a little two foot doll doll that somebody made and they're in coffins they're like in coffins he's like this is an alien he's like i don't actually think he's mexican is he he's i think he's peruvian whenever anyone maybe that's where they they came from god damn who's paying this guy he's like he's like, can you go to Janet's office and grab those two coffins I had sitting out? There are 70% human, 30% paper mache. Well, I'm going.

He's like, what's here in 30%? Bullshit. What? Oh, I don't know. I don't know what it is. Paper mache, dude. That's exactly what that thing is. I heard that he's like a Tomb Raider and that it's just pieces of old skeletons put together.

He's Lara Croft? Who's Lara Croft? Tomb Raider what? What? Dude, what the fuck, Will? Is that from Tomb Raider the movie? That's a game character. Am I the

Lauren Kalil of shut up and scribble uh taylor have you ever played that game it doesn't get the movie references and then the guys the the two guy hosts get mad at me for not getting movie references that's a game reference though it's not even a movie reference tomb raider is a movie it is as well but it's shit um taylor have you seen um have you played that game what game like tomb raider one should i answer this that's the mexican guy saying hey i say you need to chill on the fake i'm getting a porn call i heard you're saying my aliens are fake man that's just 30%

well they are always trying to phone home this is workout classic calling for me and JR to fix our programming jeez was that your attempt at a transition people are itching at the bit hey Peter come on it's a kid's show

chomping at the bit they're itching at the bit they need to fix they took their Russian Come on. It's a kid's show. Itching at the – chomping at the bit? Chomping at the bit. They're itching at the bit. They're just – They need their fix. They took the Russian crocodile. What is that? What are they itching for? For someone to talk about North Cal Classic programming.

That's why there's 103 people watching. All right. Let's do it. So North Cal Classic programming. Anyone that listened to Chase and Bill yesterday, I thought it was like impeccable timing because whenever you pull up people watching all right let's do it so norcal classic programming um anyone to listen to chase and bill yesterday i thought it was like impeccable timing because whenever you pull up workouts for a competition whether it's like madrid or rogue guadalupalooza norcal classic the the geeks that are programming nerds jump to immediate conclusions wait a minute i've ran the MWGs and I've done all the time domains

and this is not, there's 10 events and three of them are under three minutes and four of them under five minutes and all this stuff. But I think it's really good to get some context into the history of certain competitions. A lot of times people are aware of biases in the big competitions. I think swimming with Guadalupe,

they think robust and heavy workouts sometimes with strongman influence at rogue and maybe the lesser known competitions they don't know that hey they always do something outside or they're always in the dirt and they want it to be grassroots and they want it to say what a lot of people think of when they think california they wanted to be in the dirt think California, they wanted to be in the jerk. They really wanted one person to be in the jerk. I can't wait to talk about that. Yeah.

So I think it is good to start that off. Like the, the show they did yesterday where bill was kind of like, Hey, like, remember what this is supposed to be. Me and Taylor can argue and Peter can argue about, I'll just do what I just did.

I'll just interject. If you're having a competition that involves fitness racing, is it supposed to be CrossFit methodology? Meaning everything has to be balanced. Everything has to be, there can't be too much monostructural. There can't be too much weightlifting. There can't be too much gymnastics.

And I think we get into that mode of, Hey, if you're doing any competition competition especially if it's for money the fittest should prevail and there should be a balance always and i shouldn't be any biases and i think that's a little bit unreasonable on our part also like um now i'm going to talk because he has turned off his mic um mike makes a good point there pool boy in the comments and it's something that i've i was talking to Dylan about yesterday, where you're under pressure.

There's other things to think about rather than just like, right. Like Boz has this perfect thing of like, I can do whatever I want within certain confines and make it perfect and all balanced across the season and across this thing. Whereas if you're like a growing competition or you're like hindered by space or you have scaled and intermediate and rx and everything you can't just be like well it has to be perfectly balanced it's like all right then scale just can't turn up because someone needs to miss out and you need space for this so they have to miss out and i think you you know it does come a point

where it's like rose tinted glasses and all things being equal and everything being perfect yeah like it should be all balanced and everything else but the reality is you need to make money you need to have enough money to put on the event every year like you could potentially do norcal classic as a perfectly balanced event and then just never be able to put it on again so like that's the reality of it that like you need to fund it and you need those lower divisions or there's like lower skilled divisions to to turn up to fund it and then the more of them you have then maybe you need to move venue or whatever like there's all these different constraints and it's not as easy as it is for not saying boss job is easy but it's not as easy as that like where it's just your event and budgetless yeah but

yeah but shut the fuck up here yeah but shut the fuck up um here's the deal i'll say it it's always going to come down to what's more important to you is it more important to you to continue to grow the event from a monetary standpoint from a participation standpoint i mean i think they said yesterday there's like 700 competitors, which is incredible. I mean, that's a ton of people. So instead of having 10 scored events, do you just have six or seven? And you can still have the same number of competitors,

but the variation of movements, the equipment, the amount of time spent on the floor still balances out. So I think there still is some give and take there. I don't think so. Look at the partnerships. It's incredible what they've done as far as building competition. Why do they have those partnerships? Why do they have those partnerships?

Do they have money? No, I'm saying how did they get them? How did they get those partnerships? Do they know? For me, Ben alderman blair morrison are like they're they're legends like they're everyone knows who they are whether you know ben alderman from um him crushing the snatch ladder or on one of seven's behind the scenes he says i'm here to keep everyone honest if you let your foot off the gas pedal i'm gonna beat you

like i know that quote from ben alderman just because of how many times i've watched those behind the scenes i know blair morrison because he was like doing tie-dye before anyone thought tie-dye was cool right and he was going to mountains and hanging rings and doing workouts like they're famous and then they put dave's name on it with the online qualifier that's already gonna get so many people what a comment uh yeah no i think it is that i think that's why the brands are there because it's like because dave because reputation reputation that and they have a and they have a relationship with dave they just have reputation i'm vouching then right i i think that 100 is the reason i also don't think that these partnerships or brands care one bit about programming when they're like okay i'm gonna support an event let me look at the program i

know one no one fucking does that you know one does i know one that does who no can't say it shan't be named say my name say my name have either of the people involved with Crash or Charlotte said either of the anybody that's

like supporting it financially said yeah but I need to see the workouts no they care about how many people are showing up that's it how many people will see it

how many people will yeah and is it like is it good not not is the programming good but is like the venue up to scratch, the judging up to scratch? Like are people going to be complaining about it in two weeks time

or are people going to enjoy it and want to come back and talk about it? Right. And the other interesting when you were bringing up what Bill and Chase talked about on their show yesterday, remember what it was about? Like, no, I don't actually. I don't remember what it was about because I have no idea what it's about other than it's this huge event that was put on because semifinals got canceled and their first place prize purchase is 25 000 workouts also weren't

announced to your point until the night before for the final so like i don't really know what i'm getting myself into say i'm a high level athlete i know the prize versus 25k it's a crossfit event i'm excited workouts get announced and they have a head scratcher event for example that has airsoft guns in it guns in it airsoft bro come on like that's it uh i don't see it but like for you does it depend on who's doing it like when rogue had a shooting event did you have the same reaction yeah i think i think it's i think it's biathlon was post olympic event where i'm like ah i think airsoft guns that i think is super dumb yeah is taylor freezing up for you guys too yeah a little bit nice

so yeah let's like i'm gonna talk about airsoft guns i'm gonna i'm gonna dox you dude let's pull up the workout so we can go through them and look because a lot of people probably don't know what they are while you're pulling them up i did a workout once that was like uh it was uh like a airsoft is like a pellet gun right you put a steel pedal into it is that yeah i used to have an airsoft podcast when i was like 13 but i uh if you miss if you miss shut up tell her if you miss the target you have to do uh you have to do burpees. You have to do 10 burpees for every shot that didn't hit. Oh my god, I did so many burpees. I didn't hit

once and it was like a 15 minute workout. You can have guns in Ireland. Ah, like fake little BB guns, basically. You just throw a rock at a tree and if you miss it, you do 10 burpees. Potato, but yeah. You'd throw a potato at a potato.

All right. Tell me where you guys are. What do you want to look at first? Yeah. So, I mean, like we can just go through them. Well, can we first talk about what you said in terms of remember what it's supposed to be? Like what is it supposed to be? Is it supposed to be this old you know not classic

crossfit like gritty like is that like explain that to me yeah so and i may be paraphrasing what bill said yesterday but essentially remember when it used to be like this we used to grill out we used to have a beer after the workouts we used to sit around and be like hey what We used to grill out. We used to have a beer after the workouts. We used to sit around and be like, Hey, what do you want to do? Hey, let's just race as fast as we can. 800 meters. Awesome. Let's go jump in the lake. Okay, cool. Let's, uh, let's do some things that normally you wouldn't be able to do an off season competition. Kayak 5k. Yeah, that sounds sweet. Let's go do it. Like, I think that the, the simplicity and the old school nature, which we can get into, we're seeing that come out in this competition. And if you're not really OG, because a lot of people say that they are, and they're just not, should we be doing that right now? When programming competitions,

especially those that are getting so much monetary kickback, are getting so much monetary kickback. Is there something to be said for why the triple option isn't ran by every college team anymore? Because it's not relevant anymore. Teams know that you don't do that if you want to score a lot of points. But at one time, that was just what everyone did. So when we look at a competition, we're like, you know what? That's super OG. Is that a good thing or is that a bad thing? Should we be changing with the times as far as programming goes or should we be always clinging to CrossFit roots? Me and you have talked about this a bit on various shows in private.

You've spoken the phrase, yes, but. Is nostalgic good? is old school. Good is getting back to the roots. Good. And the phrase that you use to describe both of our opinions kind of is yes, but, and I think that's the key. You still see some teams have a triple option play in their playbook, but like you said, they don't run it for the entire game.

You still see some events that, or like boss brings back an old school movement like the l sit seated legless rope climb um but it's not 100 l pull-ups for time like that's there's there's a place for it and just because something is old school and that it was done in the past and that that then it was cool, or that's what you did then, doesn't mean it's relevant now, cool now, appropriate now, should be done now. I mean, they're just like, it's, think about a, to me, there are a lot of examples I could use. I guess one that's maybe most appropriate is like a car window. It's nostalgic to have a hand-cranked car window, but it's also fucking dumb and annoying.

And who wants to sit and go for five minutes while your window rolls up? Like it's a lot easier and cooler to just hit a button that's automatic. I wonder too, like when people look at some of these workouts, right, there's a straight up swim. There's a kayak. There's an 800 meter sprint for time. There's a double broad jump. So we see a lot of single modality. And right now it appears like single modality is coming back, right?

A lot of people are choosing to do it. It got a lot of praise at the games this year for doing a 5k run, a bike only, a lifting only, a gymnastics only. Do a lot of people that are looking at this programming know double broad jump. That's like a tip of the hat to the broad jump at the games um 800 meter run that's like a tip of the hat to the sandbag run or whatever like do people see this and they know hey they're they're almost like paying their respects to the old school ways of programming and if that is the point why is that bad or good or bad but does it matter like if we know like does it matter if people as in like if you have an event that's a standalone event and it's not part of the season and i'm going to get back in my lane now in a second but if you have

like a standalone event that's not part of the season can it not just be what it is and then like if you want to know if it's right just survey the athletes and the spectators and be like hey did you enjoy it and then if the athletes are like fuck yeah it was great and if the spectator is like yeah it was great then it's perfect the way it is and why change it whereas like if it's like part of this broad like calendar year-long piece of programming that's supposed to slot in then yeah obviously it matters like because if the open and the semi-finals or whatever have nothing to do with each other people be pissed off or if they're doubling up people would be pissed off but like this isn't that it's like a standalone competition that i mean they've done pretty well to get the

amount of prize money that they have and like run it whatever way you want and then if everyone enjoys it do it again next year do you know instead of like i understand like assessing programming is like the thing you know like and it's like you know is it good is it bad whatever but like i don't think i think it's objectively you can say you can assess the programming objectively as like a programmer and say well i wouldn't have done this or i wouldn't have done that and that workout with that workout doesn't make sense whatever but assessing a competition's validity or the rightness or wrongness of them doing things a certain way is kind of a moot point when it's a standalone event, not part of a broader season or something. And it's just like, just ask the people that were there, was it good?

If they say yes, then keep doing it. If they say no, then fuck your broad jumps, pick something better. I think assessing the validity is important when you're saying you're running a CrossFit competition. And I also think what you said about it's your competition, do whatever the fuck you want. Hold some weight. I do know that I've had a lot of people reach out and were like, what in the world is this in regards to Northern California Classic? That being said, I also know that that event is still going to grow and get a lot of people the next year.

The same reason that CrossFit competitions that have been put on for years that have no business existing or programming continue to grow and continue to have people sign up because people like to compete. And for a long time, there was a pretty big hole, I would say, in the market for good competitions or places where people could feel like, hey, I sign up, I have fun, I go compete. It's weird. I don't know. The athletes really – a lot of them probably don't think about the programming.

They think, hey, was this run well? Did I like it? Did I have fun? Was it values? Yeah. yeah but i do think that it falls on the event organizer to if you're going to call yourself a crossfit competition it's just my opinion that your event should be crossfit and that means that it's well balanced and that it's all 10 general physical skills and not five workouts with one of those 10 general physical skills and that it's also not that like i mean safety is important for athletes i would say that

probably a lot of the athletes that lined up into that 800 meter run where half of them were on the curb the other half were in a sand dune and the other half had like one foot in a fucking drainage ditch gutter and have to run around a pole in the first three meters they're probably like man this is not that safe but there's 25 000 at the end of this so if i break a leg fuck it that's just come on man like you know yes i got two things um first thing to p's point, should what people are calling showcases be competitions? Because I'm pretty sure there's a pretty professionalized showcase coming up in the UK pretty soon. And that isn't for prize money. That's appearance fee.

So here's the deal. If you're going to say something's a showcase, should it be a competition also for money or should it just be, Hey, we're going to let these people come and put on a show for everyone. They're going to be working out. They're going to be doing CrossFit, but we're not concerned with hitting all the time domains. We're not concerned with balancing upper body, pushing and pulling. We're not concerned with balancing, squatting and hinging. This is just a show. So that, that, that raises another question. And then to Taylor's point with the good or bad thing, if the competition is being programmed so that people

want to sign up for it because it looks fun, that can be more important than whether or not it's a good test of fitness. It's really just ultimately all up to the event programmers and organizers. And we can sit back and say, yeah, it looks fun to swim, get out, do an obstacle course, jump up on the rings, do some muscle ups. I'm never going to get to do that in my training. I'm never going to probably do that in a competition. So I would love to sign up and go to California to do that. Or there are going to be people that say that doesn't get me ready for the season. So I don't want to do it. I would probably argue that there's a lot more people that want to do a competition

that's more fun comparatively to the amount of people who are using competitions as touch points throughout the off season. people who are using competitions as touch points throughout the off season i also i don't think that there are some events in this competition that just aren't fun to me when i read them like i don't read that and think okay this is fun i also don't think that in crossfit you can have a showcase without competition because i think so much of what is the showcase for people watching a CrossFit event is the effort that is drawn from competition. And when it's like, okay, it's not a competition and everybody's just not trying now, like, well,

what the fuck am I going to, what do I watch? Like, what do I, why do I care to watch a bunch of people work out at 70% or 50% effort? It's not like the home run Derby in my opinion. So is the open a well-balanced fitness test? It's what the open this year is probably more well-balanced than this competition with seven less events. I think with only three weeks, it doesn't matter how many two-parters you have. When it went away from five weeks,

I think it's becomes very difficult to say it's a well-rounded. Right. So what sets the standard of, of what a crossfit competition should be what sets the standard probably the game isn't it isn't it though like finals you have those you know like the crossfit games the re the remit the whatever purview i don't know what the fucking word he is the aim of the crossfit games is to find the fittest on earth so then you're talking about your 10 things and you know like balance and everything whereas like if you have hypothetically i know taylor you really care about programming but like if you didn't and you just had the charlotte classic and it's like you're not saying that you're finding the fittest person to turn up at the competition you're just saying you're finding a winner and a second place in the third place then it removes the onus that's on you to say well this work has balanced out by

this one and then you know like it's just like i guess horses for courses i suppose and like once you're not claiming that you're like norcal aren't clay i assume jesus i assume they're not claiming that they're finding the fittest and i think you know what i mean it's just like the winner and the second place and the third place. But if you're calling yourself a CrossFit competition, then by nature, if it's true to the methodology, the person who wins your competition is the fittest there because the

fittest person is the person who can perform well across the 10 general physical skills or the balance task. So if you're using the word CrossFit or, and I don't know that they are, maybe the North Northern California classic, it's not a CrossFit competition. It's a classic competition. So I guess I can go jam something up my butt.

I just think that when you're alluding to this, okay, this is going to be CrossFit and you get there and it's not really, and it, and it's not, and we can, we'll go over why I don't think it's CrossFit. What is like, um, you know, to Taylor's point,

we've argued about this before because I know he doesn't really like it when anyone compares CrossFit to other sports because it is unique. But if you think about different competitions in the same way that you think about like the landscape of the competition you think about the landscape of different golf courses and you know that if you are playing a links course or if the british open is at a links course you need to be able to be long and you know that you have if you're going to the masters you have to be able to hit narrow fairways and that's just the shape of the competition it plays for a specific type of athlete. It doesn't mean that

whoever wins the masters is the best golfer in the world. So why can't these competitions be like that where, Hey, if you're going to win rogue, you, you gotta be, you gotta have this skillset. If you're going to win Dubai, you have to be able to go long. If you're going to win Wadapalooza, you gotta be able to swim. I think that's a good thing. I think, I think that is a good thing. I think what you are doing though, is you're taking something that's on a really broad spectrum and saying it's either like golf or tennis where a clay court versus a turf court or a grass court. Some athletes are going to be better on one than the other. And then saying that this event is comparable to a CrossFit event that's well-balanced. And it's just not, it's like not even the same sport. be better on one than the other and then saying that this event is comparable to a crossfit event

that's well balanced and it's just not it's like not even the same sport it is so different yeah there's just way too much of uh there's but when you when you when you trickle down and you have like say local like more smaller local comps than norcat or whatever like i'm going i'm going to uh i'm going to an event and the last time the due to a year and the other one that i was at every workout was seven minutes because they're restricted by venue numbers all this kind of stuff and like yeah it's not perfectly balanced and like no one's gonna be doing a fucking marathon row or you know like whatever like a big long workout or anything in that seven minutes but like they're making the best

of what they have with what they have and they're trying to make it as balanced as they possibly can within that but i still call it crossfit because they're still it's still high intensity it's you know what i mean like it's you can't have it's just difficult to have everything i guess is my point this guy's comments funny the double broad jump was cool and different i want it which hey but i don't know if you guys heard or not i want to i may be wrong he'll correct us i want to say that he double broad jump 22 feet which that's crazy like that's really i mean that's really cool that he has that kind of skill set um to just show up and do something like that based on his background um before we get too in the weeds though we're already 30 minutes in can we can we pull up to just show up and do something like that based on his background.

Before we get too in the weeds, though, we're already 30 minutes in. Can we pull up some of the workouts? Let's pull this up. Having done broad jumps on self-made like two weeks ago and felt like the most unathletic human to ever live, I commend anyone that was doing double broad jumps and making it not look shit. Anytime Taylor programs at the gym, it's like a struggle to hit the five the five foot line i'm like jumping every time he's like go faster i'm like dude this is like my max jump i was doing it here

like behind me and i was like man oh man i'm gonna crash into that bike like i'm gonna destroy was even close like i was like barely oh it's just okay so there's 10 events start with go to yeah just scroll all the way up this is score this is the first score of a two-score workout and this is a 300 meter lake swim and it's part of a longer workout correct jr yep this is a cool workout so lake swim that swim. Swim, that's cool. You're not going to be able to do that in a lot of competitions. If they wanted it to be balanced,

they probably should have swam with dumbbells or something. So, it's probably right. So, that was a part of this workout. Your score is the first 300-meter swim, I'm pretty sure. Yep, and then it was like an obstacle course and it ended with muscle ups obstacle

course run muscle ups cool good workout that's two scores monostructural long workout yep next double broad jump so it gets a double broad jump and me and taylor will go back and forth a little bit about this i was a big proponent when we were talking about games, programming and predictions about, you know, what if, what if there's a little wrinkle in there and they did like a max vertical leap, right? They just did that, but they did that as a way to test explosiveness, AKA what a lot of people would think about strength, right?

Explosive hip opening. Why is a vertical leap? Not any lesson. Why is a vertical leap any less important than a max power clean or a max hang power clean? And I think it's a really good argument that holds up. But what Taylor will remind us of is, okay, you've tested that and now you're going to do a max snatch. So although a lot of people will see it and think, oh, broad jump, max snatch, that's not even close to the same thing. It is very close to testing for the same athlete. Yeah, very similar athletes going to win a one rep max snatch and also have a massive broad jump. I would also say, though, that unlike a clean, the snatch is a lot more technical.

It is more technical. So if you don't have technique, right, you're shit out of luck. But you have to have massive hip extension, explosive power, speed, and strength to snatch heavy. You also need all those things for a double broad jump. One is just a zero skill to a degree, and the other is extremely high skill. Um, so if they, if they took a snatch and they made it heavy and they put it in a mixed modal setting and not really in a one rep max setting, would you, would it make you like the double broad jump more? I would rather see the broad jump in a mixed modal setting. Okay. I think that would be pretty cool.

I mean, either though, but yes. Okay. Next. Okay, next. Next, upside down. This is like, this is one of those things where when you're telling me, oh, they want to be old school, nostalgic, simple. I'm like, well, this ain't simple at all. I saw it at the games. I saw it like, I saw it, so we need to put it in.

That's what this sounds like. Not simple. And I think Chase asked Bill yesterday, and they can correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure they said, hey, originally it was bar muscle up. We saw them do the pullovers at the games, and we were like, you know what?

Let's do pullovers. And a lot of people are going to program competitions and think the exact same thing. A lot of people did that with shuttle runs. A lot of people did that with wall walks for a whole year. A lot of people are going to program competitions and think the exact same thing. A lot of people did that with shuttle runs. A lot of people did that with wall walks for a whole year. A lot of people have done that with crossover double unders and single unders. They're going to see it and think that's the sexy thing. I'm going to put pirouettes in for a handstand walk workout.

Wall walks is sexy. To me, the coolest thing in the competition is that they went for it, took a risk, did something creative that I haven't seen done before and mandated backwards handstand walks. Some people are going to hate that. Some people are just going to be like, eh, whatever. If they're there, cool. If they're not, cool. Kind of like the pirouettes.

Some people love them. Some people hate them. But I commend them for being creative with the backwards handstand walk. But to me, just leave it bar muscle-ups. I think that's going to be something we see now over the whole year everyone's going to practice pullovers that's great but that doesn't mean they always have to be in a competition do you think the pullover is a good test of fitness it's a good way to exhibit my lack of fitness but i think i think it's a good i think it's a good way

to test coordination okay all right i think over so when you see this workout we talked a whole lot about it and the consensus was okay so next they they got some sexy in with this workout like this is the sexy workout of everything right if everything else is like very easy to follow very grassroots very og like they did throw in some creativity there with that workout with the with the backward handstand walk and all that and the yeah right okay all right this workout 5k kayak for time i think this is cool but i go back to a 300 meter open water swim already being tested for points which is monostructural 800 meter sprint coming up already being tested for points which is another single modality monostructural event and by single modality and monostructural

are different. Single modality is one thing you're doing for a score, right? Just running, just kayaking, just doing pull-ups. Monostructural is like a cardiovascular, cyclical, repetitive thing. So the swim is one, cardio. 800 meter run, another single modality cardio 5k kayak another single modality cardio that's three out of ten that's a little crazy to me i think it's good that they went long i think it that i think the positive of this workout is they did something really long was the obstacle course workout not how long was that not nearly as long as this this is probably i mean yeah well this is way longer than a 5k run you would probably what it's like 40 minutes yeah this was long and i

think only the elites did it which is cool too that they that they gave them a little something to to do that's a little bit more demanding than the other divisions it does remind me of the games when they did the kayak and how it was frustrating at how some of the athletes they just stuck because they didn't know how to use a kayak um so i hate to see that on some levels like at the games it's it's i mean look it's okay it's cool i like the event it's a cool event 5k kayak that's cool let's go next. I think the winning time on this was what? Like high 150s, 140s maybe? So definitely not 800 meters. So probably not 800, but just a good old-fashioned foot race.

Okay, yeah, and you've talked about it. We're keeping track of the single modality monostructurals, and then we've also got the broad jump that I guess we're just going to put in the gymnastics category. Wowostructurals. And then we've also got the broad jump that I guess we're going to just going to put in the gymnastics category. But, you know. Wow. They really are. This is just like the 5K at the games.

800 meter dash, but 600 meters. Well, I don't know. I just don't call it what the true distance is. Interesting. I also think when people are like, okay, people want to just go and do cool things at an event. That's like the last thing I think of. That's why I like it.

What's a cool thing I'm going to go do at an event? 800 meter dash and a double broad jump. I mean, it's a good race. I just don't think this is the place for it. Next. All right, I'll start on this one. Yeah, go for it. Okay, and I've thought about these workouts entirely too much

since they've been out. But you know what the game's – everyone wanted to know what Helen was going to be. Everyone wanted to know, is it going to be two kettlebells? Is it going to be a barbell? Is it going to be – like no one thought it was going to just be dumbbell snatches. Everyone just assumed it was going to be some kind of swing and we saw the age groups do a variation of a russian

swing where the standard was like handle above the brow right and even that there was some talk that it was still kind of a hard standard to judge but they still kept it classic with that i would love to know in this workout was it originally written as a grip test with russian kettlebell swings or did they have some influence from the games like the pullovers and decide hey i think we can do swings let's just do russian make it easier to judge make it be 50 reps of time under tension who can climb the rope under fatigue based on the other movements they had right they had some hinge we had some hinging coming with the sandbag workout.

They did the snatch, but that was very low volume. Um, we're going to do a lot of squatting pretty much in the last couple of workouts with thrusters. Like this could be double kettlebell deadlifts. It could be double kettlebell hang clean. It could be light double kettlebell hang snatches.

But the Russian swing is the last thing i thought they would do did you like it no cool um yeah i again i think you give an event that you want to get people excited about i just don't look is this give a good stimulus for sure great stimulus but i just don't see like where where are you getting the idea that people especially elite competitors that are there to compete for 25 000 are getting excited about this workout like where do you create any separation on this and show that one person is fitter than another i mean but i guess people have said in the chat that it's not about finding the fittest here so sorry i'm actually going to go back on what i said so like it isn't about if you're claiming it's not about finding the fittest

then that's fine but like jr said at the start um if it's an exhibition then you know like you made the point of if it's an exhibition do you do you pay out or whatever like i'm fine with it being an exhibition and still charging or being like just a competition and charging and paying out or whatever but like then you need to make it a spectacle and like the fucking thoughts of watching like me going to watch an event or watching online i'm watching a 5k kayak an 800 meter run albeit with some humorous trip ups and like then watching them race 50 kettlebell swings and then climb a rope five times it's like you if if you're going to ignore the fact that it's balanced like if you're going to not do fact that it's balanced, like if you're going to not do that, you at least have to make it wildly entertaining. Then like,

you at least have to make the races like this, like for time shit, where it's just one thing. And then another thing better be Epic. Well, the 800 meter course better be perfect. This person did the workout and they, they loved it.

Yeah. But they didn't watch it. I mean like me watching it, like 50, 50 calibers things. I'm going to lose track immediately of where everyone is like i'm not gonna be able to follow that counting yeah i feel like that kind of stuff is annoying for sure i do think it's important that the athletes should have a good time that the no yeah i accept that totally accept that but i think you're right how do you your two considerations will be like athletes fans and it's like are they having a

good time like just workouts not even the competition but are they having a good time on the competition floor i like how to work out it's good and enjoyable and stuff and then are the fans able to watch get excited whatever blah blah and like nothing will bore me more than watching a five kilometer kayak where i see them for 20 seconds then i'm like is that him or is he gone and then watching people fall over like yeah great i actually would like to watch that and then this the 50 kettlebell swings it's just like come on like do something different you know like do something more get me giddy like by the first bit if you're going to roll close at the end but what the fuck do i know now hey your input is valuable no i think

it is important and it's something that i talk about with taylor a lot where i struggle with you know the fact that we're going to stream it this year so do i need to put the presentation the flow the spectator experience before the test and the answer is always no that i come back to that the test is more important and i care a lot more about the workouts than i do about how they look but it comes into play it comes into play a lot more about the workouts than I do about how they look, but it comes into play. It comes into play a lot more than programmers want to admit. But it should be your second. That's your second priority. The other part of that, in my opinion, is that a test that truly is an awesome test of fitness, whatever element of fitness you're trying to test for,

can also be equally as entertaining for an audience. It doesn't have to be one or the other. And if you're so set on something like Russian swings and rope climbs, well, that's just your fault as a programmer. And you can find something that tests grip endurance and your ability to climb, climb a rope just as well as this workout. That's also a lot more digestible for people to watch. Yeah. and there are things that just some people love. Some people that love Russian kettlebell swings may loathe dumbbell stepovers. They think they're clunky. They think they're stupid.

They think they look bad. They think that they're not fun to watch. You're just walking back and forth over this wooden thing. Like, cool, I love stepovers. So it's no different than, than, than us saying, I hate Russian swings. Why would you ever put those in a competition? It's no different than if someone looks at one of our competitions and say, I can't believe you did stepovers again. Those are so stupid. You know, it's really similar to a Russian kettlebell swing.

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Unfortunately, all about hip extension, power explosiveness i mean there's the element of grip and it's 50 reps which is quite so does a sandbag clean go into that category sam sandbag clean is very hip extension next workout please who's got them hips baby who's got shakira would have won this competition yes we talked about this, and this is like – I will say with a 10-scored event competition, having something like this definitely fits. If you're not going to have six or seven workouts, you want to test strength basically under no fatigue.

There's a few double-unders in there. Then this fits. We've already talked about the juxtaposition between this and the explosive hip opening of the double broad jump. Taylor just alluded to more hip extension on the kettlebell swings. We'll have the sandbag cleans coming. Um, but yeah, heavy barbell. I'm just going to say that a competition like this with this much backing,

I don't think that the equipment is going to be an issue right so you have this workout and you have the thruster finale coming up and there's your barbell you have a kettlebell workout you have a sandbag workout you have um some odd objects in the adventure race you've got a kayak like the equipment spread has been there uh no dumbbells which i think that could have been mixed in especially with the finale um but yeah like heavy barbell that's cool people want to do that people want to max out whether or not you think there's a place for it in programming people love to do it what what do you think when you if someone just says to you, big snatch energy, what comes to mind? BDE. Big dick energy.

Then what comes to mind? Go back to big snatch energy, then what comes to mind? For me, it was big vagina energy. Anyways. That was a perfect fell flat. Just the deadpan. I was going to respond, and I i was like no no leave him sit what kind of energy is that exactly okay i love the workout name i think that's hilarious

and i have big vagina energy bro sounds like someone who can carry their shopping in from the trunk of their car three bags at once one in each hand oh you fuck all right this guy goes going to an all fat chicks bottle big snatch energy okay okay yeah all right so we got a cup another couplet this is this is also single modality right there are two movements but it's still single modality weightlifting only sandbag sandbag so you got clean and then the squat and the squat was bear hug um to me like that's a that's a sneaky risk as far as from a programming standpoint i I don't know what the standards were for this. We could ask Logan. We could ask Pool Boy.

I think a lot of times people avoid the bear hug position on a squat because it's hard to tell whether or not the sandbag gets offloaded on the inner thigh and at the bottom. And you see a lot of people going to that shoulder squat like they did at the games with ski bag. But for what this is for like a sprint workout this is cool 15 reps nothing to slow you down descending but we're gonna get another couplet with the fran we just had a we just had a you could call it a sprint chipper right with

the two movements kettlebell swing and rope climb um so yeah another club that i would have expected at this point we got like a classic chipper or maybe even another triplet and then another couplet yeah and then this got changed i think they went up to 115 and 75 which i think was a was a great call because you would have just had you know who can ride the line with movement standards like way more so if you had 95 65 putting in a reverse order definitely makes it harder um taylor programming like if you had the reins on this programming and they sent you everything and you said nothing changes but the finale you have to keep the movements what do you do with pull-ups and thrusters

i would probably do a some sort of death by i think format right oh i actually just saw this and was like uh i would do 45 chest to bar 45 dumbbell thruster for time 45 45 and knowing the standards from that what was that european event that did the dumbbell thrusters that was a whack job yeah they would have to they would have to advance like every nine so they would they would all everyone would do the pull-ups unbroken and then who could hold on for 45 dumbbell thrusters but standards aside i know that's a mess as far as dumbbell thrusters go. But yeah, I just think like put dumbbells in place of the barbell here, and it's already way grippier.

It's already more challenging. And yeah, I mean, you can't get more OG than Fran, more classic than Fran. I would probably do a buy-in each minute of a particular amount of pull-ups or maybe a longer time domain, and then just build thrusters until you fail. I think that would be a cool like advance the bar. Once you get past a certain minute, keep advancing each minute that you continue. What's interesting, like, you know, to Peter's point about having all the community visions

do the workouts and not have them like not be able to walk for two or three days after. You don't look at any of these workouts and not have them like not be able to walk for two or three days after you don't look at any of these workouts and see much volume so despite the fact that there's 10 scored events like i think that you need to have volume to separate and that you need to have ample volume especially with elite competitors to really dig into like muscle stamina and endurance but you don't really get that here and is that purposeful that they didn't have to do more than 100 reps of anything or is that what caused the leaderboard to shake out the way it was i mean did did did everyone go to the competition just assuming tim was going to

win did people go to the competition assuming andrea was going to win like i would love to know those things from the competitors who won on the women's are on the men's side sean sweeney sean sweeney okay well that's not surprising britney wise over andrea nissler vice sorry oh why over lauren fisher was second wasn't she over lauren fisher too yeah yeah you don't need a lot of volume to make a good event, but you do need to test it to a degree. I mean that's another part of CrossFit. If you take the programming online course, it talks about balanced workouts between low volume and heavy, moderate volume, moderate weight, high volume, low weight, high volume, moderate weight. I'll be back in one sec.

All sorts of shit. That's just odd that – We won't be here when you get back not a lot of volume and i'll be here you can go not a lot of volume and a lot of like three minute or less workouts yeah so we look at the programming as a whole the huge thing that stands out to me and that i would worry about kickback was the fact that four of the scored workouts were about three minutes or less and that not just for the top for the winners but for the majority everyone yeah there was something really really long there was a lot of single modality and i mean shoot i have single modality

you know coming in crucible and i'm gonna try to gonna try to balance it and own it and there's gonna be people that think that it weighs in too much i'm also using a different scoring system so i would argue that if you have a scoring system that truly rewards for specialists and punishes specialists that don't have all their bases covered, single modality can be a great tool in program design because you can have someone take points away by beating someone by two to three minutes. way by beating someone by two to three minutes. Likewise, you could have someone who's really, really good at one thing who is terrible at something else fall out of a podium contention spot just because they're not well-rounded. Peter, don't you have to go, JR? No, I gotta go. Me?

Oh, no, I'm okay. I was just saying goodnight to my kids. Yeah, you guys go. I'm all right. What just saying goodnight to my kids. You guys go. I'm alright. What do you mean you guys go? I gotta go pick her up. You go. Love you, bro. You look great, JR.

He always looks great. He's got a nice glow. Do you think he spray tans? Have you ever gotten a spray tan, Peter? You probably look pretty good what with a spray tan wow isn't it amazing how quickly the wheels came off just like seconds after he left it just went down do you have a favorite do you have a favorite workout or competition programming or do you have a favorite year of the games oh japers um my workout my favorite workout and a lot of people don't like my favorite

workout is chaos i just love that idea oh wow have you ever done it no okay just to watch chaos you like chaos to watch at the games loved it i just thought i was like this is so good because it's like you have those people that are you know like nobody really knew what was going on but then you also had the people who were slightly behind and saw a hand go up and they were then they had the gamesmanship of like oh shit i think i'm like four reps behind them so i can pick up the pit you know that like in-game changing of your tactics as you realize what was happening in front of you or like seeing the next person like seeing velner move on to whatever you were like okay i need to do this differently to be

better prepared for that than he is or i like that like it's cool what's your favorite workout to do see i'm like like really shit at crossfit um i love i love the most of the thursday conditioning pieces you like cardio machine yeah it just because it's so low skill it's like i can't fuck it up like i hate i hate myself during before it during it and after it i hate like every fiber of humanity but like i can't i won't be restricted by anything do you know what i mean it's not like oh i'm gonna get caught up when i get to the like it's gonna be you know a one-man bottleneck when i get to the pull-ups it's like it'll just be that i do like workouts um i do like workouts that have like two or four hundred meter run or something in

the middle you know like every so often i like those kind of ones just because like sometimes it's nice to be alone with your thoughts and just think about like why are you not better at that thing that you were just doing next week is four minutes on two minutes off for eight sets on Thursday four minutes of work two minutes of rest for eight sets alternating

between round one 500 meter ski then max distance standing bike neither of which i can do because i don't have a skier or a biker go on next interval next interval reverse it 1000 meter standing bike max distance ski so you just do row and assault bike yeah 500 meter row and standing assault bike uh to cave dastros point it might be my favorite workout but it's my wife's least favorite oh wow make sure we're kind of baby making my wife's least favorite although i'll tell you what it's my fastest time

i had this wrestling i had this wrestling coach where if we didn't if we weren't close to making weight or we got in trouble, we would have airdynes at our school. And he would take the seat off, and you would just have to fucking bike on the airdyne with no seat. So same thing as an assault bike. Arms going. And if you sat down on the airdyne, it was like an even narrower metal post. It was like getting pegged right in the b-hole so you wouldn't want to do that unless you were a different kind of kid yeah no i'm trying i'm doing uh i'm doing some stuff with filthy 150 for they're they're doing like a competition a couple of weeks and i was like oh i'll do right i ran their social media

at the games and stuff like that and she was like oh you know I'll do... I ran their social media at the games and stuff like that. And she was like, oh, you know, we'll pay this or whatever. And then she put up that they were selling equipment. And I was like, can I just have a concept bike? I was like, I don't want to be paid. Just give me the concept bike. And she was like, yeah, I mean, that's over double what we agreed on. But I see what I can do.

And I was like, yeah, I mean, you can write it off or whatever. I don't know about that. So I don't know if that's going to happen or not but that's my plan nice concept bikes are sick but even just it's like you can actually you know you can watch TV on it or you know you're not going to piss off the other person in the room

like a salt bike your neighbors can't watch TV no it also would kind of piss you off in the room probably if you had't watch TV. Can't do that. No. Yeah. It also would kind of piss you off in the room. Probably if you had a biker, like don't have that illusion. Like if you took a biker inside,

your wife would probably be pissed. Yeah. So just know that. Just put a box around the fan. Yeah. Just put a whole box over your face. What? I'm okay.

what i'm okay uh dude do you know who theo vaughn is peter peter no no damn dude he's really funny he's coming to charlotte uh sorry not charlotte winston salem the same day as our competition and i was like really debating changing the days getting scrapping the competition going to see this guy no just buying tickets and going that night like after the competition was closed for like you know four or five hour trip but not my parents were going to come visit me for the first time in two years since i've been in charl. And the only time that worked to come was the weekend of our competition. So they're coming. Nope. Oh,

what? Someone, someone ages ago was like, you guys, so Jr referenced something. I can't remember what it was. And the entire rest of the time he was talking, I was like,

is he talking about, is that a crossfit thing or a football thing? I was like, should I know what that means? And then someone asked in the comments, ask him what he thinks it is, and I was like, okay, it's obviously a football thing and I'm not supposed to know what it is. I didn't listen to anything else he said, because I

was like, what? It was something to do with a triple or a three or something, I don't know. Try the triple option? Yeah. Yeah, but you're a big football guy now, Peter. Yeah, I've watched Swamp Kings. Kings. Big Tim Tebow guy.

Big Jets fan. I was texting Tyler Watkins being like, why does this happen? Who's this? Just constant stream of consciousness questions. Halfway through, I was like, is this a coincidence

that like another guy that there was a documentary made about is in this documentary about like you know that what's his name hernandez or whatever they killed yeah i was like like i paused it and i was like to my wife i was like i fucking know that guy she's like how do you know i was like i don't know but i know him and then i was like how would i know an american footballer and i was like oh he killed someone and then killed himself yeah that's how you know most american footballers i was a big jets fan until aaron rogers tore his achilles dude i'm so so bummed about that how much does that suck it didn't seem like a bad injury and then yeah i'm so sad about it and then whenever he like posted i mean just imagine how much hype was around that whenever you're that high profile

and the entire like biggest city in the united states is hype that you're there you run out with the american flag it's going bonkers and then fort plays then it's just like yep you're done for the season and they'll beat the bills though which is crazy it was a crazy game and the quote of when sauce gardener gardener said he went in at halftime and aaron just looked at him and said, sorry kid. I'm about to cry. Dude, Sauce Gardner, what a freaking name

too. I know. Has Chick said that when I'm watching American football, I'm wondering why they're not flopping on the ground when they get hit. Well, Ireland are currently at the Rugby World Cup and they don't wear pads or helmets because they're not pussies. And if you watch

a hurling match as well, or any clip of hurling, you'll see why I'm not wondering why they're not flopping around. They literally carry sticks and hit each other with sticks. In Irish rugby? Don't they grab each other? No. Rugby is the same everywhere.

It doesn't matter where you're playing, it's the same rules what's hurling the ball is about the size of a tennis ball but it's like made of hard it's actually this is a child's one but it's like a smaller version of that basically oh it's a baseball like a cross ball it's the size of a baseball but it's not as hard you know what i mean it's like there's a bit of giving it and um you play it on a full pitch about the size of sorry field about the size of a rugby field kind of and you have everyone there's 15 people and you have a stick and you get one point if you hit it over the bar three points if you hit it into the goal it like past the goalie it is nuts i showed tyler at the other week and he was like this is murder ball he's like this is crazy sounds like nut ball you ever play nut ball no you sit in a circle with a ball of your choice

with a bunch of your guy friends and you just you guys are all sitting on the ground legs are in like a v-stretch position this sounds like a circle no no but you're not naked you have your pants you're fully clothed and one person starts with the ball and you just roll it and see if you can hit your buddy in the nuts also rambler said he went to cornerback camp a ball and you just roll it and see if you can hit your buddy in the nuts. Also, Rambler said he went to cornerback camp with Sauce, and I just really have a hard time believing that that's true at all. Maybe he means he brought some ketchup or mayonnaise. It was a kid's camp.

He brought some ketchup or mayonnaise. I heard maybe it was the Make-A-Wish camp that Sauce Gardener did. Dude, chill, chill. It was not gay. It's really the game. Basically, the nutball is who has the toughest nuts. Do you ever hear the gay? Maybe I won't. It's okay.

I retract. I'm recoiling into my shadow. Don't worry. I'm not going to bring that up't worry I'm not gonna bring that up you're not gonna bring what up no I just thought of another game that I heard about but it's so sick don't worry about it okay let's not talk about it dude hurling yeah that's American hurling nutball essentially oh JR can't be on the show but he can be in the chat he he texts and drives more than anyone i

know hey get off your phone dude it's dangerous is it is it legal there you're like there's no fuck no or texting when you're driving no it's not legal texting on your phone um yeah it's really illegal here what do they do grab um you have to sit down with your feet in the V and roll a ball. Roll a ball at the policeman and then he rolls the ball. Oh, somebody. All right. We got to talk about the Wapalooza qualifiers. JR wants to talk about that next week.

For those of you in the comments asking, JR wants to wait until next week to talk about that. So we're going to dive in nice and deep next week on Waterpalooza. But what do they do to you if you get caught texting and driving in Ireland? We have like a penalty point system. So you get three. Is it Z-score? Z-score? If you text really fast, if you text the fastest, you get three points.

If you text really fast, if you text the fastest, you get three points. I think it's three points for speeding, regardless of two miles over the limit or 20. What? Yeah, it's the same. You get a fine and you get penalty points. And if you get 12 penalty points, you lose your license for a year and the penalty points last on your license for two years so like say if i have six it takes two years for the six for the first three that i got to disappear off my license so like you can

accumulate them um and then there's like court appearances fines like that kind of shit or if you do something crazy they'll take your license off you. If you drink, drive, and run someone over, they're not just going to be like, ah, here's three penalty points. It'll be like, yeah, you've lost. That's pretty similar to how it works in America. We have penalty points as well. Do they call police a

universal term? No, I call it that to make it accessible for you guys. What do you guys call them, constables? The constables? Oh no, not the constables. you guys called constables the constable oh no not the constables we call them constables all right um no we we call them guards so it's like guardi sciacona is like the term then we call them guards it's like guardians of the peace basically is what i want to ask so i should have actually asked the guy that was doing it but

i saw an athlete the other day doing I can't remember what he called him, but it was I'll see if I can find it. It might have been in his story. Do you ever call the guards wankers? Hello, wanker. It's a good way to get off

penalty points, though. If PD Savage was doing these, it was like the bottom half of a burpee so he was like lying down on the ground and then coming into like a squat but his hands were still on the ground you know what i mean she's fucking the ground like he was lying on the ground bringing his feet up to his where his hips had been i don't think his hands were coming off the ground i think they were still like not flat maybe but like touching the ground and he was in a squat and then he dropped straight back down at the burpee and he did 200 of them for time.

Why would he be doing that? A sprawl. Sounds like a sprawl, but you are not. He had a name. He named it. Then let's look it up. PD Savage.

I'm going to, it's not, it was on his stories. Cause like he, James Jousey is his coach. And like, he's not the type to just be like, no,

if I could do this, like he'd have a specific, but I was like, it's obviously some kind of weakness or something or perceived weakness that he has. He might have weak hips or just bad at hinging in general. Cause that just sounds like an obscene amount of hinging. Hinge,

hinge, hinge at the, at the hip. Close the hip, open the hip, close the hip, open the hip. the hip close the hip open the hip it looked awful it looked like the type of thing that you see it written down you're like oh that wouldn't be too bad because i don't have to stand up and jump so that's fine but it's like i'd say

after about 10 you're like oh fuck yeah just kind of blow your back out yeah don't ever program it are you one of those guys who gets back pain from burpees uh no i think you know there's you probably have to do them fast enough to accumulate enough to do what on a weekly basis what makes your back hurt do you get do you ever get back pain do you suffer i'll suffer from chronic back pain is that you know no really never that's dope i've never had a sore back i've had like a stiff back you know if i've done yeah i don't bent over row or something, you just need to roll it out or whatever, but I've never

been like, oh, I cannot train or I cannot pick up my kids or whatever so far. Will's back's blown out. What caused it, Will? The initial thing was throwing a railroad tie off of the road when it was flooding. Oh, sheesh.

Those are heavy as fuck. Yes. I'm super strong. Not strong enough apparently. Working out with the wife. Mason Mitchell had a stiff front tail earlier. Were you watching that show, Will? Do you know what a front tail is?

Yeah. If somebody says front tail, what do you think first thing that comes penis okay all right just curious would you ever call it that or would you just say no okay i have never heard that before we can't that's like something that's like something that you'd say to like if you've been a what do you call it read it in a children's book but yeah like you call it like kindergarten teacher right where you teach like four-year-olds if you've been a what do you call it read it in a children's book but yeah like you call it like kindergarten teacher right where you teach like four-year-olds if you've done that for like 35 years and you've lost your mind and then you're like guys make sure and shake your front tails when you use the toilet you know like it's just like where you've gone like you're never allowed to jury duty again you've been like or if you're or if you're on a list, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like if you're on a list, you can't use those words.

I'm not allowed to say that word. Holy shit. All right, we're going to talk about Wadapalooza next week. JR's on my show tomorrow. JR's going on Coffee Pods and Wads tomorrow. In 24 hours and 20 minutes, JR will be on my show tomorrow. That's crazy. So everybody swing by.

Say hi. We got a lot of swingers in the chat, so she'll be over there. Hug up or hug down. Listen, sign up for self-made training program. You can do it. Peter does it.

Literally, if I can do it peter does it i literally if i can do it i mean fucking hell like a pillow with no arms or legs will be able to do it if i can do it how many modifications which modification version do you normally do the first one down or the second modification or the four uh it depends so like i can't see from here i write i write up on the board on a sunday night what i'm going to do for the week like i write up options so i write up seven workouts six no six workouts five from you and one from dad hours so like if i come home i did that hours like yesterday because i was was like, I've got 20 minutes max. So I just did it that hours. Um, and it's fucking awful.

And then all the rest of them. So I'll do, um, if there's one with like muscle ups, forget it. Like if there's one with pull ups, sometimes what I do is I make my own modifications. So like,

this is where I train, but I have a pull up break outside, but like basically from next week, probably not going to happen training outside, like just here with weather and shit. So I'll modify, further modify my modification. So I'll be like,

all right, I'm just going to do rows on the bar instead of like body rows, because I can't get outside or whatever. Oftentimes, like you did, you programmed one the other day, and it was with kettlebells. Double

front squat, hand clean and jerk. I'm doing that tomorrow the next day, but I'm doing it with dumbbells because I don't have two kettlebells. Perfect. Then the other day I did hang snatch. That broad jump hang snatch one.

I don't know if I've ever done a hang snatch with a kettlebell before. I did hang snatch, that broad jump hang snatch one. And I, I don't know if I've ever done a hang snatch with a kettlebell before. And I did one. So we have a 22, no, we have 20, a 24 kilo and a 16 kilo kettlebell, whatever.

The, the, the usual open male weight and female weight, whatever that is there. And then we have the same in dumbbells, a set of 15s or a set of the female or like RX open weight and a set of the male RX open weight because I don't know how to convert it. And I did one, I did one hang snatch.

Like I was like, I'll just warm up and like, I'll just, I'll just see what it's like. And I did one and I was like, my fucking forearm. I was like, why is this a thing? Oh my God, it was so sore. I was like, honestly, for 10 minutes, I was just like, I've broken my arm. Like I've definitely broken it.

And then my answer to that was, my answer to that was, I'll try it on my left arm. And I did it on my left arm. The exact same thing happened. And I was like, all right, I'm obviously doing something wrong. So I watched like videos and shit. And I was like, oh, you don't just like loop it and let it just go like bonk onto the back of your arm so i was like

there's actually some skill to it um but yeah halfway through that workout i modified that and i was like fuck this i'm using the other kettlebell like this one's way too heavy i was like okay i understand what the stimulus is supposed to be here and i'm definitely not getting it by doing like sets of four and then like taking a break and stuff um so yeah sometimes you used a dumbbell there too no i used my wife's kettlebell oh okay perfect yeah yeah was it okay yeah like i got a serious sweat on and i was you know like laughably shit at the broad jump so as you'd expect um but yeah i'd say i'd say an answer to your question will i'd say anything with high skill, I immediately dumb down sometimes like two jumps down, like gymnastics stuff, especially. I'd say a lot of the time, the kind of heavier workouts, I scale those because twofold, like

one, I basically ignore the strength for about a year. And then secondly, I can't be too loud because usually it's before my kids get up or after they go to sleep. So I can't be like doing single, you know, snatches and dumping the bar or whatever. And then, yeah, other times I modify during. So I might be like, I'll be doing a workout and I'll be like, oh, here, fuck this. Like there's no way this is what he meant it to be like. Like there's no way he meant it to feel this way like I shouldn't be like grinding out front squats with the bar in this workout it's probably supposed to be do a quick set of 10 move on to the next

thing or whatever um but I what one thing I do like my wife loves it as well because I'm I'm like giving her the programming for free um one thing that she loves and that I love is that current, and just to be clear for people who might think that this is an ad, I wasn't brought, well, I don't think I was brought on specifically for this, but I just want to give credit where it's due. The front squat, back squat, front squat, back squat thing is like abhorrent, but brilliant. Like I've never done that kind

of training before i've done you know that classic crossfit you go into an affiliate and it's like oh um you know five by five front squat five by five back squat and then you do your workout or whatever um jr you dick um but uh or i've done um progressive overload over the course of a you know season or whatever, where it's like, oh, we're going to do sets of 10, then for four weeks, then sets of eight for four weeks, then sets of whatever, that kind of way, like 10, eight, five, three, two, test or whatever.

But these ones are like an EMOM or every 30 seconds or whatever, front squats, and then you immediately do more reps at the same weight of front squats but less sets and then you do or else you do front squats and then back squats with the same weight for more reps and i just fucking love that for two reasons one is because it's like i'm literally looking at the time going like all right i gotta go now instead of being like oh i'm still a bit tired i might just wait like another 30 seconds or whatever um or rushing it and fucking it up the other way being like oh i'm probably okay and then like i just wasted an hour by not training myself hard enough um but yeah i really really like those and she's a big fan of them as well because it keeps you

on track honest do you when you do them do you find that you have enough time to do the strength and the workout within 60 minutes or is it a bit of a tight squeeze sometimes? Uh, no, I've definitely under like, I'm definitely, yeah. Now I will say you're going to love this,

especially coming from a man who has a hernia surgery. So if I go into a on warmer upper, how would assume? Oh my God. Like, so yesterday, right right did i do yesterday 30 seconds two back squats yeah so warm up i'm just gonna read this out people can do it it's not my program i don't care uh so warm was like two minute roar by two minutes of

alternating spider-man lunges uh two minutes uh bottom squat stretch mobility then two rounds the empty barbell five front squat ten basket then two rounds of the empty barbell, five front squat, ten back squat, then two rounds of five strict press, five, oh, that would have made sense for the finisher, five hanging knee raises, five push press, five half range GHD sit-ups, then start building to squat load in five to seven minutes. I walked in, I did a squat, like an air squat.

I kind of mooched around a bit when I was down there, and then I was kind of like, no, I kind of feel okay, and I started building to the first set. If you would have done, if you would have done the warmup, would you think you would be under time? Curious. I would have been fairly tight.

I'd say you'd be close. I probably would have been, I I'm assuming I would have been, but it would have been fairly tight, but a lot of that would have come down to like the workout took me longer than it probably took most people. Do you know i mean yeah um i like there that's a perfect example well right so it was the finisher was for time 10 ghd sit-ups just sit on your assault bike sit on your assault bike and put your toes up

so like also even if i did have a ghd i mean i want to be able to like sneeze and shit um see sneeze on shit uh so is that what happens when you mooch around in the bottom of it was 10 ghd sit-ups 10 strict barbell press 20 toes to bar 20 barbell push press 30 uh toes about 30 dumbbell shoulder overhead 40 ghd sit-ups uh 40 single arm dumbbell shoulder overhead so i did 10 sit-ups 10 barbell strict press 20 sit-ups 20 barbell strict press uh 30 sit-ups 30 dumbbell shoulder overhead i did two shoulder overhead with the 22 with the 50s and i was like well literally i will fucking die if i continue to do this so i dropped down to the 35s then i did 40 sit-ups and i did 40 single arm shoulder overhead i went back up to the 50s of them because i was like well my left arm can rest

when my right arm is doing the five or whatever but like those kind of ones i just modify like the modification on that i modified it to just like that is not going to suit me so i'm just going to do and like i'm someone who doesn't need more than sit-ups like i need to do more sit-ups but i don't need anything that's a more challenging version of a sit-up than a sit-up currently so is that something you ever want to progress to like these higher skills is this is that something you're completely you just don't care about and currently currently i couldn't give a fuck like i'm a two-year-old and a three-year-old and like i don't care like it's not a high priority i want to sweat and i want to feel

like i've done something and i want to improve my i don't know like um view of myself and my aesthetic view of myself and my mental view of myself so i use training to like as an auxiliary force towards that i'm like i don't care if i can't do a handstand push-up um now now i'm hopefully a time will come where things simmer down a bit and it can be like okay yeah like now i'm in a position to i want to fucking heavy clean and i want to there was a period of time where i was obsessed with all that shit i wasn't good at it then either but i was obsessed with it of like oh i really want to like you know if you're if you can rx a workout means you're good like that was my whole thing whereas now i'm like the alternative to this is sitting on the couch and not getting

worse but maybe not getting better so like i'm going to just dose myself with this and see what happens kind of thing how long did that workout yesterday take you um one sec you don't remember your okay yeah will do you remember your times mason that squat series is not a comp train knockoff it's just called 13 24 that's perfect and i actually i did the rowan thing this morning the condition this morning and i was like oh man i feel like shit like i'm so i just did like so i looked at my uh whoop and it was like um 16 minutes zone 2 1 minute 20 seconds zone 4 and i was like i'm pretty sure i did this wrong because i was like i feel like i should have been in zone four or five for more of it. But then I looked at your parentheses, as you call them.

And I was like, oh, I'm actually fairly close. Like, so it's obviously all right. Like, I was like one or two seconds out on one or, you know. And also, I got up at 10 to 6 this morning. Sorry, 5.50 or whatever the fuck you call it. Came downstairs, sat on the rower, turned on the clock and went. Because I was like, I need to go to work. So I was like, right, start my 500.

First 500 was like 148. But then all the rest of them were like 143. Because the first one I was just like, I don't even know if my eyes were open for most of it all right bro but i also will say that's not a concept roar ah it's one of those water no it is it is it's a knockoff concept it's like a black box like it's an irish company that make gym equipment and they made but i know just from feel i know know that like, if I give that one really fucking hard pull, I know I'll get a calorie and like nine tenths. Do you know, like maybe two, if I give it a good,

if I get a good two pulls on it, I might get four calories. Do you know what I mean? Wow. But the, the pacing is probably, you know, like it's probably more accurate than the calories.

I knew it wouldn't be closer. I don't know. Um, what's the verdict? Oh, I did this workout yesterday. James Hobart posted this workout this workout was 150 burpees for time at the start two air squats at the one minute mark four air squats at the two minute mark six air squats every minute adding two air squats to that like buy-in until you reach 150 burpees and to me it looked like

he got to the point to where he was only doing air squats and did not finish that workout 100%. And I asked him how he went. He didn't respond to me. So I'm assuming – He tied you in a story though. He did. But I would have just imagined it went poorly because mine did. I changed it, and I was like, hey, I sent this to one of my friends who I train with at the gym.

I was like, let's do this, 100 bar facing burpees for time. At the start, one clean and jerk, at the one-minute mark, two clean and jerks, at the two-minute mark, three clean and jerks, etc. At 165, 115, and I did not finish. How many burpees can you do in a minute?

Like going as fast as I can, bar-facing burpees? Probably 30. And if you had to do it over like like my hundred like my hundred burpee for time time not bar facing my hundred burpees for times like 409

or 413 I can't remember one of those two numbers what do you get in the seven minutes what depends on the variation of burpees like you know the way they're open like depends on the variation of burpees like you know the way they're all like just seven minutes for for seven burpees or seven minutes for time like upwards of 150 um but this workout i still went out pretty hot i like three two one guy did one clean and jerk then i did 21 burpees in that first minute and i did 21 and i had like it was at the 51 second mark so i like got up

and like waited for nine seconds and caught my breath did two cleaning jerks boom went out again 17 burpees this time right around the 52 53 second mark got up pulled back a couple deep breaths three cleaning jerks then i got 14 burpees and then i pulled up and was like okay i'm gonna take a couple breaths and then i got 12 burpees and then i got six burpees and then i got two burpees i got no burpees and i failed uh brutal workout so i rewrote it just a little bit but probably most people will fail it but i think the cool thing about that workout is it's a really good workout even if you fail i did one um yesterday from dad hours when i had my 20 minutes and it was like uh i don't talk about that on here um it was like uh 20 so i scaled it and it was like 10 burpees um 10 calories no 10 calories 10 burpees a salt bike like 10 calories, no 10 calories, 10 burpees, a salt bike, like 10 calories, 10 burpees,

13, 13, 16, 16, um, max max. But it was like a four minute EMOM. So you do 10 calories, 10 burpees, 10 calories, 10 burpees, then straight away into the next four minutes of 13, 13, 13, 13, then straight away into the next four minutes of 16 16 16 16 then straight away into max max max max um the actual workout was like i think it was 13 in the first round 16 in the second round 20 in the last round and then max in the you know the end bit or whatever um i did 10 10 i was like okay yeah like it's fine and then 13 i was like man 16 is gonna be pretty hairy i was like halfway i was looking at the clock when i stood up out of my last like 13th burpee and i was just like oh this is not gonna be good um and i did 16 calories got off the bike at like fucking 54 seconds or

something and i was like oh jesus christ i've got four seconds to recover and then i did 16 burpees i stood up my last burpee and it was like 59 60 and i was like i have to get back on the bike and i had nothing so i was like all right fuck it i'll just do as many calories as i can up to like 50 seconds and then i'll just match that number with burpees i did 10 10 calories and then i was like i felt bad about only doing 10 so So I did 11 burpees. Oh man, those kinds of ones are just. Was there any rest between those four minute emoms?

Or was it straight on? Straight in, straight in. That's the thing. That's, that's why I pick a diet hours on a week is because it's just like, it hammers the shit out of you and you know, it's going to take like 20 minutes.

And it's like, yeah. I've never done a hundred burpee box trip over for time. I don't think. Never done that. Done 100 burpee pull-ups, 100 bar facing, 100 to target, 100 regular. I feel like 100 over box is you're just going to get injured. No.

You're definitely going to tip yourself. What was that open workout from 21? Was it 21.2, the dumbbell snatch? The retest was for 2017 too yeah it was like 15 dumbbell snatch 15 burpee box jump over 30 15 that was one of the hardest workouts i've ever watched anyone else do it's the most uncomfortable i've ever felt in a room where a guy was doing that workout and his back was like just oh blowing out yeah shrimp back he was like he was crying like we were all like oh do we leave or do we like is it worse to leave or is it worse to stay

and watch this one guy like grind because wasn't it a like there was a big time cap on it was guy goes high as he can basically wasn't it uh yeah it was a huge time i did really well on that oh man it was awful to watch but he just won high rocks dubai and he's going to world championships and he's a fucking animal so he's an aerobic beast he just moves like no his weightlifting he's insane strong like oh wow he went from moves well yeah yeah he went from like that time he was like scrawny like he could see his ribs like you know know, like, you know, nothing. And now he's like, you know, he's got like lats coming out of his fucking,

like he's huge and he's strong and he's, yeah, he's really good. So anyways, that's all to say, I don't know my hundred burpee box jump up, my hundred big blow jobs over for times, but I did really well in that workout i think i was like 13th in the opening that workout so i like burpee box jump overs but i will not be doing 100 for time on the box anytime soon all right will's like i gotta go and i'm fucking done with this while me and peter just chatting it's all good bro we'll sign off i have gotta go and I'm fucking done with this. While me and Peter are just chatting. It's all good, bro. We'll sign off. I have to go and do my fake news.

I gotta go mop the gym floor. Thanks everyone for watching. We did two shows at once. Hour and 30 minutes. Thanks Peter for coming on. Oh, Jeremy Eat World. I hope we answered this question. Thanks Jeremy for the $5.

You're welcome, Sevan. Does that go to savon fuck dude just venmo me next time oh tomorrow coffee pods and wads what time is that at uh 3 p.m eastern 3 p.m eastern what about what about what p.m ireland 8 8 p.m. Eastern. 3 p.m. Eastern. What about what p.m. Ireland? 8. 8 p.m. Ireland. 8 p.m. Ireland time. After I put the kids to bed.

J.R. Howell, Peter White on coffee pods and wads tomorrow. I love it when people do that. Bye. Goodbye.