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Episode Date: January 13, 2025

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good morning. Hope everyone's having safe travels. We lost Tyler last night due to the snowstorm. So hope he's back. I think he posted so I think he's good. But yeah. I'm glad they're they're good. And see what's up guys. Good morning. Oh, then whacken off. That's funny. I didn't have the fish market on my schedule today, but here we are. Yep, we're here.

We got it. We're here. Good morning. Barry, what's up? Yeah, we figured we'd start a little early since, was he like seven minutes late the last time? No, Corey, we did not actually lose Tyler. He's okay.

He posted. Oh, yeah. He posted what this morning Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just hope that his traveling wasn't Completely awful. Yeah Anybody else get in snow a lot of people are getting snow. We got snow a couple days ago, which was nice But just a little bit. It's just really cold for us here. Not too much snow I think we're supposed to get it this weekend, but it's weekend., I think so. Our son will be very happy about that. He loves snow. So all right, let's let's do this. This one is fun. Skip Bayless. Anybody ever

watched Skip Bayless? I used to watch him on first take all the freaking time. He's getting he's getting a sexual harassment lawsuit for like one point. She's suing him for no, she's saying that he offered her $1.5 million to have sex with him, which just that number alone is insane. Who pays 1.5 million? I mean, I think he's only I'm pretty sure he it's not like he's got Elon money. He's only he's worth like I say only but he's got he's like $20 million. That's his like net worth. And she's saying that he offered her 1.5 million. Who's doing that?

I mean, I guess. I guess to incentivize I guess to I mean, Dan Guerrero skip sucks incentivize, I guess to, I mean, Dan graher skip sucks. Oh, you're not a fan. I used to love watching him fight not so much with Shannon sharp, but I liked him a lot with Stephen A Smith. Real quick before we go on Elizabeth, if anybody's in California, like we're thinking about you guys, I know those fires are pretty bad. So we hope everybody stays safe out there. vindicate. good morning. I

literally went from one vindicate sweatshirt to the next. Yeah. I think that's all we own at this point are vindicate hoodies and t-shirts. That's pretty much it. Well, Ali said that the new joggers are the shit. So look for an order. I will be getting those new joggers. Kippen, which one? Mine or Colleen's? I think, I mean, yours is. Mine's one of the originals.

I love this one though, the paint splatter. Yep. I got this one later. Jake Chapman, what's up? Ladies, the 70s are having a raging debate this morning. Uh oh. Where you guys raging about the fish market or what's up? Or is it hog stuff? Probably hog stuff.

But yeah, so Skip and it was his hairdresser. So my first thought process is we always, we always have to warn women not to go out by themselves, not to be alone with a dude by himself, not to go to a frat house. Don't put yourself in a situation where you could get caught. So now, is this what we're telling? We got to tell our guys this too. Don't get caught in a dressing room with a stylist. Don't get caught in a hairdresser's chair by yourself in the workplace.

Cause this is what's going to happen. And it's also crazy too, because it's not like there's a criminal, it's just a lawsuit. And I still don't even understand how you can sue somebody but there's no criminal charges. Is that? Oh, I don't know. It isn't suing like the beginning process. No, it's not criminal.

He's not getting charged with anything criminally. He's just getting sued. She wants... Oh. And to me, the one point million felt like she was suing him for 1.5 million, but no, that's what she's saying that he offered her. So a ID what's up? Wait, so she's suing him for offering.

She's suing she's suing him because he offered 1.5 million. So fuck her. Oh, yeah. And then he, I think also in there is he hugged her a little bit too long. He greeted her weird with a kiss on the cheek or something one day. And now, now she's getting sued. He's getting sued and she's probably going to win something. Cause he's probably going to settle the lawsuit. So no matter what it's a win for her.

So all she had to do was do his hair and then by her with them being alone by themselves. And now she's going to get a payday. And no matter what, even if he settles his reputation is going to be shit. But isn't this something, didn't they see somewhere they see somewhere that wasn't this a long time ago? Oh shoot David weeds in the house. No, not Trump. Skip Bayless. I mean, what a photo. David we hit what a photo. Um, stop hugging random women. I think that's what we have to start telling, like, guys to do like we used to have to, you know, make sure women were okay. But I that's what we have to start telling like guys to do. Like we used to have to

you know make sure women were okay but I think we're gonna have to stop telling dudes like or is this now a thing where we just can't like just get all gay men to go oh no they'll accuse you too. Never mind forget it. Dudes are just gonna have to not have hair and makeup done. Yeah. It's getting dangerous out here for guys. I just I just think that it goes back to like protecting your own space, protecting your own. I mean, if someone wants to say something like you can't control what people say, but you can control like who gets into your space. So if it was like the hugging thing or the kissing on the cheek, like it takes

two people to embrace in that, you know what I'm saying? So I w like for me, if there's any, like, I'm not just going around hugging random people or so that was, do you think it was calculated? Everybody's everybody's standing up for skip. Everybody's like, hey, skip doesn't even like to spend five dollars at Starbucks. Skip would never do that. That's not in his character.

And you've never heard of him being in the news ever. There is no he's never been accused of anything. Now he's 73 and. I think for me, I think he just kind of she saw a payday. That sucks though. Yeah, that sucks. Because but like a bigger payday that that was offered because if she wanted a payday, it could have easily been like,

oh, but she would have had to go through with it. I get, okay. Um, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one. And I, I think that there is that line that gets blurred when you actually have women that experience sexual assault and then there's sexual assault allegations that are just for a personal gain. And so it's always hard with that because.

Oh, Heidi, it's her fault. He hugged her and held on too long. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if it for me, if someone is walking up to me that I don't feel comfortable and trying to hug me, I wouldn't allow it. I wouldn't allow that to happen. So if she welcomed the hug and then he hugged too long, like I understand that feeling of, okay, this is too much. All I'm saying is that there could have been steps before that, where if I felt uncomfortable with someone trying to hug, then I wouldn't have allowed that to get too close.

A handshake goes a long way, you know, knuckles goes a long way, like a fist bump goes a long way. So that's all I'm saying. Yeah. It, to me, it's just crazy that you can even accuse somebody of sexual harassment and it like a fist bump goes a long way. So that's all I'm saying. Yeah. To me, it's just crazy that you can even accuse somebody of sexual harassment and it not be like a criminal thing. I just don't know how that happens

because she's gonna get a payday now, even if, what if none of that ever happened? Who knows? They were alone in the room together. So, no. Oh, there weren't any? I don't think, nobody was in there. Oh.

That's what I'm saying. Like now we just have to tell our guys, hey, don't, in the workplace, don't, don't be alone with hairdressers. Don't be alone with, you don't know what's gonna, they say that in the military too. What? There's a lot of things, like don't be in a barracks alone with another another soldier

female soldier what like because it's at it's at their whim of what they want to um uh cross that no i wasn't talking about taylor joy taylor that one is that the that's the acho thing right i think they just had i that's in there too But I was more worried about the skip fail thing. Because I was like, how the hell did skip get into this? And you said people are like his peers are surprised that like, yeah, this is something that is being said. Yeah. Shannon Sharp got named in there or some. I don't know. Shannon Sharp's name got in there somehow. And he's like, well, well, don't say my fucking name.

I wasn't there. I didn't do shit. And but yes, there's a, it's just weird. I just, I couldn't, I couldn't wrap my mind around it because how does he even defend himself from that? And he's not going to pay millions of dollars to go to court. So he's going gonna pair something just to settle it Yeah, but then now whenever you Google skip bailus This is gonna pop up Yeah, and it's and it's the his word versus hers

Dr. Seuss gaming wearing the fart is seven. He's traveling right now. Yep, I think he's going to see Greg. Um you know, it's a his word versus hers and and it sucks because Yeah that's what I kind of heard too. And skip offered 1.5 million. Yeah, she says that that's what he offered. But yeah, Joy. Yeah she's she's slept away. She had a, yeah.

But. That's tough. I mean, it looks great, right? You can just be a hairdresser and, oh, here, I'm gonna get my payday today. Well, I mean, if you can live with that and that's what you choose, I don't think it's right, but. Because then it all goes back to the conversation, like, should we not allow women in men's spaces?

Yeah, that's a, you know what I mean? That's the bigger conversation of, you know, you do have women that have worked hard to get into these spaces and whatever. And then situations like this happen and you know, is it more rules? Is it is it more? You know? So I'm assuming that she's lying. It's very hard for me to believe. It like the story is very hard for me to believe that you can just get sued for hugging somebody. We don't know. There's no evidence that he did anything.

No one's come forward and was like, hey, yeah, I saw. And that's what makes this all murky, right? With all this stuff, we're supposed to believe women immediately no matter what and ask no questions about it. But there are so many cases out there now that you kind of have to ask the questions. There's there's nothing is there's not like a hospital doctor's report there's not she never made a police report. There's there's nothing. So yeah, I mean, it sucks. But we're we're here now is where we're at now.

Hi, Gabe. Oh, hey, what's up, dude? I feel uncomfortable when Travis hugs me. Does he hold on too tight? Um, but yeah, now it's the whole idea. Like you have women reporters going into men's locker rooms to interview high powered athletes after games and stuff. And they're in towels or some of them are walking around out the shower. I think that's a dangerous situation. Yeah and I think it comes down to the bigger picture

whereas it is very difficult for some people to believe situations when there have been many cases that have been lied about and reputations and livelihoods have been destroyed because someone wanted to say something to get something out of it. So it's difficult and it's frustrating because you want to believe that every person that is coming forward and, you know, telling their, like saying that something happened, whether it's, you know, assault or something like that, you wanna believe the victim in the conversation, but it's hard for some people to do that

because there have been so many lies. And you also have women that are saying, Yeah, I lied about this because I wanted something. So it's like with everything if there's like, the truth gets lost in the overwhelming lies that circle it. So I think that it's difficult to say like, you don't want to believe her. Some people are like, well, I'm going to wait until more evidence comes out, you know, until the truth comes out. But I think some people just get to that point where they're like, it's another woman, you know, coming out of nowhere, saying something like this many years later, you know, I know that,

you know, people that have gone through assault, like, it's more likely than not that people don't report it, don't go get, you know, go to the hospital or get reports or anything like that. So it's very unlikely that there is going to be those type of, like evidence or information or whatever. But I personally think it's a bigger picture. And it is, it is the questions of, do we continue to open up room and spaces for men and women to be in the same workspace, you know, or do we have places where it is, like, do we have to separate again? Is it this part like they can all work under the same company but this part of the company is just for men and

this part of the company is just women like are we getting back to that? I don't know. Well Judy Judy what's up lady? Duke lacrosse players happened at UVA too. Yeah that's the thing I believed the girl right away. I was like, oh, string them all up. How could you do that? You just, you know, it was immediate. Even the Kavanaugh thing. I believed her immediately. And you do all this over and over again. And then you find out that it's all it's all bullshit. They didn't do anything. And so those boys got tarnished forever. Yeah. And that's ridiculous.

What separating everybody? Yeah, I get it. Yeah. But how do you it is ridiculous. But how do you know, because I'm just thinking if it was my son, you know, and some girl just payday like it's payday. Like that would be horrific. Now he now he's tarnished forever.

So. But yeah, and that's all the I don't know. To me, just there's too many things where it wasn't true. And that's unfortunate for all the women that it was true for. It just, you should be outraged that people are making this shit up. Because now, and celebrities are doing it now too. What was it? Waka Flocka just did it. He put up this whole thing that he got beat up by 10 dudes. And then he wasn't actually beat up.

He's like, oh, haha, y'all believe anything. D-REED, what's up? And then he wasn't actually beat up. He's like, oh, haha, y'all believe anything. Um, D. Reid, what's up? In this country, the accused is innocent until proven guilty. You would hope so. But some of those comments under... Some of the comments under the posts about Skip, it's like they're automatically the public believes her.

I was like, damn, that's crazy. You gotta be careful. Your boys gotta be careful out here. Matt Burns, what you believe Christine Blaisley for girls, it was obviously political operation. I know that and I'm sure it was obvious to you. It was not to me at all. I just, it was the whole, you know, all men are scumbags thing. And you just believe the woman. And now there's so many things have come out where it wasn't where it wasn't true. That now I'm starting to roll it back and I don't believe half the shit that comes out,

especially the ones where it's not a criminal. It's not a criminal case. If you can't prove it criminally, I'm not sure if I believe that you should be able to just freakin sue somebody because of you know what I mean? I think you should have to be able to part of you thinks you should have to be able to prove it criminally as well. Those cases are harder aren't they? Yeah. To prove. Yeah, that's right too. I did not like Duke. They were unlikable. Skip is only, yeah.

I didn't, yeah, I was, I hated Duke. Anything so that was interesting. But yeah, that was on my radar today. What else you got? Did you see the pistol, the pink pistols? Oh. What else you got? Did you see the pistol? The pink pistols? Oh. So now they got a bunch of like LGBTQ gun clubs running around and telling gay and trans people that they need to arm themselves

because Trump's gonna put you in concentration camps. That was in the post the other day. Oh, they're called the pink pistols? Yeah. Oh, okay. So, um, yeah. And they're running around pink pistols. Sounds like a vibrator. I know it's dumb as fuck. They really, it does. And their whole thing is how to teach, uh,

the rainbow is how to shoot and then so they can protect themselves from going into concentration camps and that's literally like I'm not trying to arm up and start a war or anything but I just don't I want to be ready in case they throw us in concentration camps I was like oh my god can you imagine running around your whole life thinking like that and just everywhere you, you just see somebody that you think wants to throw you into a cage somewhere. Like you're just fucking up everybody. That's got to be the anxiety for that's got to be unreal and it's unnecessary anxiety.

No one know like that's never going to happen. The fact they believe that shit is crazy It's sad. It is it's sad to live in fear For no reason all the time and you know and in certain places I'm sure that there's a reason for my penis the pink pistol I think I could have lived without the rest of my life not knowing that J. Chapman But thank you for that piece of information that I guess I needed to know today.

Yet they want to, yeah, Ben Whackenoff, God, these names are great. Yet they want to stick their gun laws, right? Crazy, right? They're the side that's calling for to take your guns away. But now we're out here arming up because straight people are going to put us in our so so you don't think that there should be stricter gun laws. I don't think now you know what I'm all I'm over it. I'm not even going down that let people have their guns. Fuck that. You don't think there should be a longer process to getting a gun?

Um, don't they already have to go through it? Don't you have to get, you gotta get all kinds of shit. Yeah, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's as in depth as. But the people getting these guns are like stealing the guns from their, they're finding their parents' guns. If you're talking about school shooters, most of them are finding their parents' guns. If you're talking about school shooters, most of them are finding their parents' guns in their house

and taking them to school. It's not someone going out and getting a gun. Yeah, Pat Lang, that's kind of what I mean though, but doesn't that mean stricter gun laws or no? Because I'm assuming that the only way that we can prevent guns from getting into people's hands, like, is it more of a background check? Is it a, you know?

Yeah, no, that's the thing. What would the longer, Heidi Kroon, what would the longer process do? It's not going to stop anything. Yeah. Wait, I lost it. Chase. Chase. Longer process isn't going to stop bad people from getting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're not. Yeah, I get that. The bad people aren't trying to register their guns or their weapons. It's yeah. And there's always a black market everywhere. There's always the underground everywhere to what are those guns now that

aren't even really like you can just print them. They're not, they're not even traceable. Yeah. Like these three, three D printers and whatever. So yeah, I guess you guys are right. I just, I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking more of like the, the children and the school shooters, not the stories of them getting the guns from their own house or whatever, but the ones that are going to places and being able to purchase them. You know what I mean? So I guess, but if it's going to be... It's the school shooters, it's not like it's, you know, gangs or anything going into schools

and shooting them up. It's half of it is just children that don't know how to cope with things. Getting that hold of their parents guns or their older brother's guns or something and then going there and shooting everything or they were, you know what I mean? So people are going to get their hands on it no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. Natalie, good morning. What's up? You know what's going to stop bad people from getting guns, getting illegal guns off the

streets and background checks into mental health before you hand them a killing machine. Okay. Yeah, because that's what I'm thinking. More background checks, more whatever. But again, too, like you said, if people are going to get their hands on it, no matter what. So. Yeah, because they want them, they're going to get them.

And I just think it's really bad for these pink pistol people to run around trying to scare everybody and because they're going to be scared to death and walking around with these guns and they're going to make a mistake and shoot someone that because mentally they think, oh, they're coming to get me. They're coming to get me. They're coming to get me. Yeah, they're going to turn a corner one day and someone's going to catch a stray because this person's all full of anxiety and hopped up on thinking that someone's going to take them away somewhere. So, but that was in the news the other day,

which yeah, cars and knives are killing machines. Yeah. Hi, Dan. Yeah, you just had the you saw the oh hey, what's up? The Louisiana thing and that car didn't even blow up. He had like bombs in that thing and the thing didn't even blow up. Oh, that's so disheartening. Yeah. That's so disheartening. That was he totally used the truck as a weapon. So yeah, there you go. Yeah. Listen to people. That sucks.

I know it really, really sucks. So yeah. Okay. What'd you got? You had something else that you wanted to. Yeah. So the big one that's going on right now is the Stephen Twitch boss and his widow, Alison Hocum, she is writing a memoir and she's been going on like a media tour and she has been, um, because she wrote a book.

So that's coming out and there are a lot of mixed emotions on what is being said and what people believe should have been left private. So if you don't know, she found like his like secret journals and stuff, right? That no one had ever read. So if you don't know who she is and you don't know who her husband is, uh, Steven Twitch boss was, uh, you know, rise to fame was through, uh, so you think you can dance. And then she also was on so you think you can dance. So they met, got married and then he became a very public figure.

I think Ellen did something to him. He was on Ellen. I still maintain that. He was the DJ on the Ellen Show for a very long time until she retired and that kind of stuff. And then he took his life two years ago. They found him in a hotel with a suicide note and, um, and then there's just been this whole problem between his widow and children and his family, his mother, his siblings, his dearest closest

friends. There's been a lot of information now coming out about they, how they had to sign DN, uh, DNAs, no, not the NDA, sorry, they had to sign an NDA in order to save his legacy and in order to be able to go to the funeral. And then I guess it's also coming out that Alison got a defense lawyer and all this type of stuff right after he passed away. And so it's been kind of quiet-ish for the last couple years, but now with this coming out, she is sharing that she was cleaning out the closet to get him an outfit for the

funeral. And while she was doing that, she found stuff in his shoes. And it's alleged that it was drugs, that she found drugs. Does it say what? Like cocaine or. I. Allegedly like mushrooms and pills and that was kind of allegedly. Um, and also she found his journals.

So I guess she had started writing this memoir when, um, he first passed away or right before he passed away. I think it was like a, um, a tell all of their love story and you know, whatever. Um, but then picking it back up, it's changed to very much. People are saying air his dirty laundry. Yeah. And you're saying we should. That we shouldn't, you shouldn't. Yeah, like. Yeah, tell secrets of the family. Like. Yeah.

If there was some cheating going on. Oh, it's Twi, do you remember, you remember the dude that used to dance on the Ellen show? Yeah, see if you can. He was really cool. He used to do the, he was the DJ for the Ellen show. And I've always maintained that she did something to that dude. Or made him do something. But

yeah, so now she's airing everything out. Yeah, Twitch, Twitch analysis is his. Oh, excuse me, this is. Oh, we don't have to play that. So, yeah, basically, would you air your spouse's dirty laundry after they... Yeah. ...pass? Well, and also the thing for me, too... She's gonna make money on it. She's gonna make a ton of money on it. And that's what the family's pissed about, is that they say that she's using his death or his... Because he took his own life to like profit

off of it. I have my. But it's very interesting because if you hear if you hear the side of the family, it very much seems that they have been left out of everything that's happened. They have been completely isolated from anything that's happened with her and her children. And mind you, they are her children. She is entitled to do whatever she sees fit for her children. But the way that it was everything happened after he passed,

and then now with all of this, it's seeming like that she is cashing in because I mean, obviously was the bigger presence. He obviously was the bigger person, like everybody knew who he was. He was the face of the family, you know, whatever. And with with him, when he passed, That's a good point. Holy crap, cross that. Dying by taking your own life typically avoids life insurance. She may need the bag.

Well, she did a bunch of shady shit. Like right after he passed, she like removed his name, didn't you say? The last name. Two days. Two days after. Afterwards. Well, and I also think the family is afraid The last name days. Two days after afterwards. Well, and I also think the family is afraid because he he's tied.

He might be tied to a lot of this diddy shit. But he also hung out a lot with Bieber. He hung out a lot with Ellen. Ellen is part of all this shit and probably even the Epstein shit. I think there's a free that there's a lot of that might come out out as well and they don't want that to come out because that would be his legacy. I don't think him doing pills and mushrooms and whatever is going to affect his legacy in any way, shape or form. They all do that. You don't think so?

No. Yeah. I just think it's the... Why did he often... There had to be a reason. And I think it has something to do with the, the Diddy party scandals, the, oh, you got the Usher, the, yeah, the Bieber, the I feel like there's, there's stuff in that shoebox about that shit. And I don't think that his family wants any of that to come out. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's, there's no way

that he didn't get involved in that. I mean, being involved in that, even if he didn't know he was involved with it, I feel like they're all connected in one way. If he ended up having to have sex with a dude, the way that they're saying that all of these, like that was the initiation. I can see why he probably mentally couldn't handle it and lost it. What was the relationship like between him and his family prior to this? Again, only from social media, it looked like that they were very close. And a lot of his very, very close friends that are still close with the family,

it seemed like everybody was really, really good. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact they found drugs. Why shouldn't she cash in? He abandoned her and left that stuff for her to find. Hey, I brought that point up too, Heidi. I think so too. She has every right to be pissed the fuck at him, for sure. Like you left, you left your

children, you left me, you left all this shit. If she's pissed at him and just wants to cash in and put all that shit out there in a tell all book, I'm not I'm not here to judge you. Go for it. Yeah, you right. I would be pissed as hell at you if you did that shit. Yeah. Like I would be too. I just wouldn't. Heartbroken and pissed as shit. Yeah, that leads to a lot of Yeah, and listen, I'm not I'm not saying that it is it's her story. And she can absolutely say what she wants, how she wants. There's a lot of emotions, obviously. Just for me

personally, I I wouldn't air your dirtiest secrets out because I'm angry at you. Yeah, she got kids. I know. I wouldn't I wouldn't. I personally wouldn't do that. I would say something simple like, Oh, shoot. Kate champion. What's up, girl? It also says he was sexually assaulted as a child in one of those articles that came out yesterday. Okay, yes. That's the reason I can see him going so, so low that he felt like that's what he had to do. But that's the only thing that I can see the reason why I think that he would because everything

else just seemed so, so amazing in his life. Beautiful wife, beautiful kids. Yeah. So, yeah. Listen, I mean, again, she has to do what she needs to do to support her kids and, and you know, whatever I'm just saying for me, I, I would be very heartbroken and angry with you, but I just, the type of person that I am and the, I would not air your dirty laundry and I would not tell your deepest secrets that you chose to not share with people.

And I would find another way to support our son. You know, if we had- Cause she's not on any, she's not doing anything anymore. But recently she's been everywhere. Oh has she? Like recently she's been on any, she's not doing anything anymore. But recently she's been everywhere. Oh, has she? Like recently she's been on every red carpet, she's been at every event that she could think of,

she has been in the public eye in many ways that she hasn't been, obviously, because she's been quieter, she was quieter when he passed and with her kids. quieter, she was quieter, right when she when he passed and with her kids. But I'm just the interesting part for me, though, is that the comments that she made where she was living with someone that she didn't know. You know what I mean? And I get if he was dealing with his own demons and he didn't want to share for whatever reason,

whether it was an ego thing, whether it was he didn't want to burden her, whether he didn't want to admit it, whether he wanted to put this, you know, masculine presence on, he didn't want to burden his kids. Like, I mean, whatever the reason that he chose to not say, like, and I'm just talking about our marriage, like everybody has their own type of marriage, but like, you know, everything about me, you know, my darkest secrets, you know, my deepest thoughts, like, and I just, Oh, come on.

I think she knew though. I mean, you really think she didn't know? I mean, it sounds like she didn't know. And if she didn't know, I'm just, you know, it's sad to think that because their love was so full of life because their relationship and they just seemed like that couple. And if it, you know. He could have been closeted or hiding addictions. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like it's, it also brings a perspective that if it is true that she didn't know that they, yeah,

that people can literally live double lives and people can literally be two separate people, you know? And so for me, just as a wife, I was, I was just saddened by that because we know everything. We talk about everything together. There is maybe in the beginning, it was like, I don't want you to see this side of me, but yeah, you know, that's, I don't know. You've just been seeing Bieber crying a lot lately on TV and going to counseling sessions. We all know we've always known about Usher and yeah, Natalie, this one 99% of people in Hollywood have sold their soul in one way or another. And I believe that true with everything is coming that's coming out right now. So, but we'll see what this book does. Hey, what's up? Masculinity checks notes. The answer for

mean daytime lesbian fair. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. And with this too, I think I'd wait more than two years to release my tell all book, you know, and a lot of people are saying, you know, they're inspired by her, you know, speaking out and being there and helping them through times and whatever. I also just, again, and this is just my perspective and like, if it was you, I think that there's a way to tell my tell all book without. Telling things that you didn't want people to know her kids are in a aren't they? They're like teenagers now, right? Or young preteens, her eldest, which was who Twitch, which is like he raised her too.

Yeah. And then the two younger ones, I think their son is. They're at a tough age because they're going know it they're gonna see it. Mm-hmm Their friends are gonna hear it and so that to me seems not cool. Yeah but I Mean, I guess it was her life too. She lived it and she did She and also to she deserves to grieve through the process in any way that she feels, um, that she feels that she needs and she needs to heal from this and she needs to go

through all of the steps that she needs to go through and whatever. Um, you know, but the biggest, the biggest question is like, do you do that publicly by telling all the things that he didn't tell people himself. 16, eight and five. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. So again, that for me, if I was in that position is I would, I still think that there would be a way for me

to tell my story without divulging all of those information or whatever. And again, she's so it's just interesting to kind of see both sides. But for me, that's that's what I would do. I mean, are you going to release a tell all book? No, I'm not. Right. Jake's back. Let's talk with John. Okay, Jake, what do you want to talk about? Oh, my gosh. What was the debate? I read part of it. What's the debate that's going on in the chat right now? Something about something about what we talked about last night. Is that what I think there was something crazy too.

There's something about like, this is a while ago, but this is crazy. A five 15 year old boy gets molested by his teacher. And she's like 21 or 22 or something like that. She gets pregnant, goes to jail, comes out of jail and immediately puts him on child support. How in the world? Nope. Nope. He's a victim. Yep.

And he's going to get put on child support for. Did she win? I'm not sure. I was on whose podcast. Soda Maior, not the judge. I forget his name, but yeah, it was just it was a while ago. It was it was crazy. And he had no say in whether having the baby or not having the baby. He had no say in the actual act of making the baby.

But immediately everyone's like, Oh yeah, he probably loved it. It was a great time for him. And like, well, many people talk about that. There's yeah. I mean, that's, that's, I mean, that is, that's, yeah, that's the culture. I mean, there was a guy mean, that is, that's the culture. I mean, there was a guy that, you know, was on a podcast and he said the same thing. He was like, when I was younger, he was like, I slept with someone that was older than me and I walked around like, yeah, like I, you know, I think he was 15, I think at the time and someone much older than him or whatever. And he was like, yeah, I did that. And he's like, but we don't talk about the fact that, no, I think he was 15, I think at the time, and someone much older than him or whatever. And he was like, yeah, I did that.

And he's like, but we don't talk about the fact that, no, I didn't sleep with someone, like I didn't have sex with someone. I was molested. Yeah. Like that's, you know what I mean? So the culture is very, very different. The other part of it is the point that he brought up,

wait, what's this? Mike, oh, you're doing that. I live in fear of Christine Young's tell- book behind the chat. That would be an amazing book. Someone's gonna make a bag off of that. That would be fire. Um, Mike Sandone, the whole system is fucked.

I knew a guy who got slapped with child support out of California from a woman he had never met. All she needed was a social damn. Oh, that's some scary ass shit. But you can have, you can have a woman can can walk away from a baby at any time, right? If she gives the baby up for adoption, she can do that. And she doesn't have to have any, she doesn't have to pay for that baby anymore at all ever again. She can have the abortion if she wants to, no one can tell her she can't. And she can have the baby and then slap the father with child support. But the men can't do shit. They have no say in whether she keeps the baby or doesn't keep the baby.

No say, you know what I mean? he's got no freaking say in anything. She's got all the say and then the wonder dudes don't want to get married. Like, and have babies and whatever. Because it's dating life out there for men. It's not looking too good. Yeah, it's insane. It's not looking too good. Uh, did she... Yeah, she had the baby.

She didn't go to jail for long. She only went to jail for like three months six months I think she got out had the baby got put on some crazy probation and then slapped him with child support. I Wonder if she got the child support. She probably did she probably did probably got the child support. Um, But yeah, I Thanks, I, oh thanks. I tried. I did hook down phonics as a kid. So, you know. But yeah, it's a it's great.

I don't know how many. Yeah, Natalie, I don't know how y'all survive out there. I couldn't do it again. No, every time we fight, my wife's like, go take a nap because that's that's there's no way you're gonna be fine There's no way you couldn't pay me enough money to go back on the dating pool I hear we hear some of the weirdest fucking stories from our friends that are dating Yeah, three months dude. That's insane. That's that's normally what it is, especially for a woman Mm-hmm with a young boy. It's not, it's just, it's not...

You would think it would be prosecuted like that. It's really not like that. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. Go ahead. Was it... What? What was your friend's, some crazy dating stories?

No, just like all the crazy dating stories and the apps that they... But also, what was that documentary that we watched? We watched a couple of them. There was like a catfishing one. Oh yeah. And then there was the Tinder one that we watched. The Tinder Swindler is an amazing documentary. You haven't seen that. I mean... That's going to flee so much money out of so many women. So many people. Well, okay. So I have a question for you guys. If you met somebody on a dating app and you tried to FaceTime with them, you tried to meet up with them and they always had excuses, would you start sending them money? I got to know.

I mean, he had like some of the, some of the reasons as to why they would send him money. Like I just, I have to know. He had them believe in that he was like a top secret spy and he was running from- I have to know. Would you start sending people money that you have never met that won't even FaceTime with you? He had like a female Ponzi scheme going.

He had each woman was paying for his trip to the next woman. So he'd be flying into Scotland and flying into, I'll send their pictures of sevenths. But yeah. And these women were just, I was like, girl, you can't even get him in trouble for this. You sent him the money. Why would you send him the money?

He's there like pulling out or signing up for new credit cards, maxing them out, letting him use it. And he's on private jets with. Oh, my God. With. It was crazy. There was a good one, though. Yeah, that's but that was always my I'm watching these shows. Don't fucking people on the Internet. Don't date on the Internet.

It just doesn't. Or at least on dating apps, I guess. Don't go on dating apps. That's just terrible. Listen, I mean, you do hear you do hear the stories of really successful people dating. But at the same time, like you hear these crazy things and it's just, I just don't think.

Yeah, she was a trip to inventing. Oh my God. She is a fucking trip. Are there any Dancing with the Stars fans? Does anybody see her on Dancing with the Stars? She is also unlikable. Very, very. But yeah, dude, I don't know how.

I don't know how they did it. It's also, if my wife left me or passed after 40 years, I would only try a date if I was set up by a friend. Yeah, that's smart. Or maybe Christian Farmers. What's up, Ken? Or is it Christian Mingle or something like that? You can go on.

They do have Christian Mingle. But would you think... Dancing with the Stars, gay. Yes, it is. It is. I love it. It's terrible. I love it. My wife would not watch it with me though. No, I hate it.

But wait, so does that give me an extra star then? What? If it's gay? Yeah, now you're a six star lesbian. No, you're back to five. No, I'm not a six star. I'm six. But I...

Do you think because also we see all of these stories about Christians and all of these Christian groups and these cults and whatever. Do you actually think that Christian mingle would be a safe place to try to find a partner? I don't know. I think Christianingles safer than like Scientology or. Yeah. Some of those other weird. Cults that they got out there, there's there's a couple of them. But aren't they all the same, though? What was even all these cults the same?

Yeah, pretty much just so. Yeah. I, Heidi, I'm about to try Christian farmers only. Is that an app or is it like a website or something? And yeah, I'm sure you probably can't do it if you're a lesbian. That's not it. I'm sure that's not how they work. Oh, I just saw who said something about oh, there's Brock Kirby. Hey, I just watched your show.

Oh, yeah, right. I talked to you on the actual podcast Don't hold me to this, but I think I and Leslie met at a Christian dating site I'm sure I surprise me and I'm not like I was saying I'm not saying that all interactions and all Relationships are not successful that come from these dating sites and whatever, but you hear the crazy stories of some of them and it's just, Yeah.

No, I don't think being a Christian is a cult. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that if I implied that, but there are some other like under the guise of religion, there's some other weird cultish things out there that all of a sudden you see somebody with 18 wives and they're all 14 years old and it's weird and crazy. Yeah. But a lot of people do use religion. So maybe it's not Christianity, but they use religion to start these cults. And I'm going to start watching it's on Hulu. It's all about

What's it called Polygamy or something. Yeah And it talks about all of the cults I did anybody see the thing where iced tea get pulled over by the cops his fucking This was crazy Okay, I'm share it on here? Yeah, I sure Shoot all right again, you can't sure yeah, no go ahead pull up whatever I'm gonna try to find it again No, no, I don't have anything or whatever But yeah, I see you got pulled over by the cops enacted like a complete freaking douchebag. Mm-hmm and

He deserved hold on it's right here. The car had no front plates first of all and he was driving with like a expired license and registration and four years yeah for like it was like 2021 they all expired. Mm-hmm and he got freaking You know your inspiration expires since 2021 that's why I'm going So you have your license fired as well. That's why I'm going to the DMV. You say you went to DMV yesterday? They said the system is down? Yesterday, yep.

So then this goes on for a minute and then this happens. Okay, can I park the car here and walk to the DMV? I'm going to tow your vehicle. You're not going to tow my vehicle. Let me park my car right near you. You're not going to move your car, sir. You give me the keys right now and I'm my f***ing vehicle. Let me park my car right near you. You're not gonna move your car sir. You give me your keys right now and I'm gonna tow your vehicle. You try to be more respectful with me, I'm gonna respect you the same way.

Well then let me, you see I'm going to... No you're not gonna tell me what to do. I'm gonna tell you what to do. So give me your keys right now. If you're gonna go that route. Give me my paperwork you f***ing... No don't touch me. don't do it like that. Give me my fucking paperwork. Get this on camera. This motherfucker is... I am one... I am a foot away from the DMV.

I'm telling you, keep your distance. You are a fucking asshole. I'm not an asshole. You've been an asshole to me. You are... I'm not an asshole! I'm trying to get to the DMV. I showed you all the paperwork. Let me start recording you, you dumbass. Crazy, right? What's up, Sarge? Hey, what's going on? But how are you? So then the so then the

sergeant gets there and then he's all nice to the sergeant. All of a sudden he calms down. He's respectful. He's blah, blah, blah. Um, and he get the sergeant doesn't make him have his tar coat or his car towed. But his demeanor changes immediately when the guy gets there. It's It gets a DMV to register my car. I got all the paperwork and everything there. I asked him off. So you wonder what they wonder why cops get aggravated and agitated, whatever. Well, if

you're calling them a fucking asshole and a douchebag and whatever throughout the entire and expect special treatment throughout the entire interaction, eventually he's going to get fucking tired of it and tell your shit. He probably wasn't going to tell your shit, but you had to be I'm ice tea, I'm SBU. Like, yeah, he was, he sounded like, yeah, like Mexican or something. Unfortunately for IST, the police officer was black.

But this was a, this is a... Oh, okay, he was black. All right, that's what you're saying. All right, gotcha. This is not like a, you're late by a day. This is registration that you haven't had for the last four years. Yeah, you knew it. You've had four years to...

And your car doesn't have a front plate. You've had four years to. And your car doesn't have a front plate. You're going to get pulled over. If I drive down the street without a front license plate, I'm going to get pulled over. Yeah. And then but he just wanted to be like, I'm iced tea. So it's cool that I got fucking pulled over. It Pat, it started off fine. And then I ice gradually gets more pissed off until he's just calling the cop a bunch of names and whatever.

It started, Joe, but then he didn't have like three different things. His registration, his license or a front plate. So he's literally at the DMV was across the street. I think the cop just got tired. It just got It was like he wanted to do his job or maybe yeah, but where but where what are you thinking was fucking with ice? Cuz it's ice that could be to I Mean because I mean if you

Like I Because I mean, if he, like, I, like, if you, if he pulled him over on the street and the DMV is in the parking lot over there, he still pulled him over on the street. It's not like he was in a parking spot and then walking in, you know what I'm saying? It's like he was on the street. So if he pulled them over because he didn't have a front license plate, why wasn't he just saying that? And then they always ask. Let me back it.

No, it's just his, uh, yeah, it's right there. He, he, but I bet if he hadn't called a cop, oh, here's a better shot of it here. If he called the cop and asked, if he hadn't called the cop an asshole 15 times, I'm sure the cop probably would have let them just move over there. So you get the DMV is like over here somewhere. And the sergeant lets them put the car put the car in the parking lot. And then he goes to the DMV. It's I don't know.

It was just he didn't look good. It didn't make ice look good. He looked super privileged and super like I'm ice. So do what I say. That's the perfect situation where it should have been a simple, I'll escort you to the DMV, but I don't, I don't know if it was that simple because he didn't have, um, the license plate on the front, but when you pull someone over, you also have, you also ask for license and registration and wasn't both his license and his registration expired or was it just his registration? Either way, they still like he still broke the law for four years. So it's not

just that incident. Like he literally still driving around with no license, right has been driving around with no license and no registration on that car for four years so does he not have to have that consequence for that so maybe if it was if everything was up to date and it literally was like hey i'm two feet from here yeah then maybe the cop would have just escorted him, but you see paperwork and anybody, any one of us, you, if you give a police officer registration and it says it's been expired for years, not a couple of days, years, we're all going to get in trouble. Like we're all going to get in trouble.

So I don't know if it was that simple. What did they have to say? I'm not saying I'm not saying four years worth of tickets. I'm just saying like a ticket for the fact that you don't have that. He didn't have registration on that car or his license was expired for four years. I'm not saying that they're going to go back for four years and give them all of this, you know, whatever. Because if they pull you over with that much shit, don't, aren't they, don't

they normally tow your car? It would, you can't. So, or they'd let you, I think if you were nice to probably just let you drive off to the DMV. Oh, all right. What's up? Maybe someone's going to explain it to us. Hello.

What's up? You there? Hello. Hi, it's Jake calling from England. How are you? Oh shit. Hi dude. What you got? Yeah, I know. Um, just a quick one. Just one minute. Have you heard the story about the UK prison officer? No. Go for it. No. All right. Well, it's awesome. So Google it if you can and think, think about what you're going to see before you Google it UK prison officer sleeps with a prison, uh, inmate for, for a year, right now, think about what you're going to see and then Google it and show, show everyone what it is.

It's amazing. And then rate that person out of ten. Well I will go. Okay. Holy crap we're in trouble. Alright thanks Jake. We're in trouble I don't even want to know what Jake wants us to see. Did you did you find it? Is it her? Jake, I need a yes or no. Is it her? Whoa. Jake had to go finish.

Oh, the adults are here. Trish is here. What's up Trish? What's up? Uh, am I, now we're supposed to rate her? Yes, he would like to know a one, one to ten. Is she the officer or was she the inmate? No, she's an officer.

She's an officer? Yep. Sent into 15 months in prison. Damn. Um, sex with a burglar in prison cell. Um. Sex with a burglar in prison cell. Mm-hmm. She was also filmed with another prisoner within the same day. Damn.

She... Ooh. She's hot. Not my type, but she's hot. Not my type, but she's hot. I wish she wanted... Oh my God. Okay. Well, that monk shot's not hot. Yeah, that monk shot's not.

That's not. That would not be. That's crazy. Interesting. Send me to jail immediately. Who said that? Mike Sandone. Oh, you're going to jail? He's going to jail.

Anybody else? Yeah. Anybody else going to jail? Now, that guy's a stud. Who's a stud? Jake or the guy that slept with her? No, the guy that slept with her. The two guys that slept with her.

Um. Oh, there's pictures of the dudes too. All right, let's go for it. I can find it. Wait, Bernie just answered my question too while you find that. Okay. Where are you, Bernie? Bernie again, and the theory is that if the car is unregistered and uninspected, especially for years that may be unsafe to drive officer has liability if he lets it continue on the road. Yeah, I would think that they would have to tow you anyway. That's what I thought. So, I did get special treatment. There you go.

Um... Um... Clock. Just go online and like some Elon Musk tweets and the UK police will show up. LAUGHS I can't find the pictures of the guys but. Oh shoot my camera's probably gonna start fucking around in a minute. Good answer, Garrett. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate you. Insta-verse reality. Yeah, no that mugshot was not, not.

Okay, that was fun. What else you want? Oh, here. Check this out. This was kind of amazing. Finally these pro, like their allies, LGBTQ allies are starting to feel why this is so freaking annoying constantly. And so I'm going to hear, tell us about your transition. How? Can I hold this, please? No. annoying constantly. that or like what people can transition because I was born a woman? No, of course you're a woman. Of course. Does it make a trans woman any less of a woman? No, you are a hundred percent.

I'm not a trans woman. Is there another definition that people like to use or you thought I was a man? That was amazing. I haven't seen it yet, but that's starting to happen where they think, I mean, he was just joking with her, but they think that women are as soon as you say, no, I mean, he was just joking with her, but they think that women are as soon as you say, no, I was really a girl. I'm a girl. And they're like, yeah, trans women are women. And they just, you know what I mean? So it was really funny, but it's happening to them now too. And they don't like it so much. So all the little allies

that were out there. Again, you can't even ask questions to try to understand we're supposed to be. Yeah. So it's now, and now she's really mad cause she's like, no, I was born a woman. And he is like, yeah, whatever you want. That's you were, you were born feeling that way on the inside.

I get it. It was just funny to me. I was like, uh, bye Matt. Have a great. See you. Have a good one. Thanks for hanging out with us. Was is what is a woman? Yeah, right. So they we are someone's trying to call but oh, they're not letting it ring long enough for me to get it. But yeah, now they're now they're seeing like but she was a woman but you can't define it. So you can't say you are one.

Yeah, she was pissed. It's just again, you can't ask questions. You can't try to just have a conversation. The minute that you start yelling, I'm out, you know. Yeah. I'm good with that too. Yeah. But that's funny. Want the chick that got her abortion tattooed on?

Oh yeah, I sent that to you. This was crazy shit too. God, the internet is just a mess. There's a lot going on right now. Yeah, there is. I'm not gonna, the music's annoying. But it says they got an abortion tattoo. Congrats. It's aborted Yep

What the F You want to celebrate killing your baby You want to celebrate killing your baby by putting the tattoo, an aborted tattoo on your leg forever for the rest of your life. That's how insane they are. Like the ones that want to go around to like I just want to be a woman because I want to be able to have an abortion. It's like, really? What? Why? What the, why?

Yeah. For what? Ugh, I know. Why would someone do that? I have no idea. I don't know. It's crazy. I don't know.

It's so sad. Yeah. It's so sad that someone would want to get that tattoo. Yeah. Again, it's one of those things. Like, if you choose to do that, that's fine. But then to go and praise it and sell it like that's a little unstable to me. Like you're an unstable person. You probably shouldn't be having unprotected sex. Like that's, that's your, that's your first mistake. Right? Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah. You're not, you're not old enough for that shit. The abortion cult. I mean, there's,

there's literally IG pages dedicated to just how many of them can you get, you know, or what number you're on or some crazy ass thing like that. There's a tick tocker who got an abortion last year and now she is pregnant and wants to keep it to make content. Great. So your babies, it's like all these people running around transing their kids to these parents running around transing their kids. They're just doing it for content.

They're just doing it for people that care about them. They're just doing it for the, Oh my God, you're such an awesome parent. You're letting your kid be your kid. Like then they're not letting, you're not letting your kid be your kid. You're absolutely doing the exact opposite of what you should be doing. But I have to have a license to have children. Oh, well, I don't think so. Cause then none of us would have. I know my mother was not mentally sound when she had me.

Listen, I was a total oops baby. So we all like to think that we're ready to have a kid and then we have a kid and how, how life changes when you have a kid. You know, I grew up with taking care of kids, babysitting kids and whatever. And our son was born and I looked at you and was like, Oh shit, this one's ours. Like this one is ours. We have to take him home. We, we have to be in charge of him. We have to, you know, whatever. So, yeah, but yeah. Uh, so yeah, we would not none of us would have kids black black Twitter is kind of destroying like Shirley's they're on right now and Madonna and

Whatever because not only are their kids trans but they're black boys so they basically have allowed black boys to try to become trans and They are not happy about it. All of a sudden, now all of a sudden, it's going to no stop transing your kids, stop transing your kids. Like having a little who's somebody said it the other day is like, that's the new thing to have a trans kid is the same as like when you put your little dog in your purse and Birkin bag and walk around with it.

Some people are saying that. Yeah. Some people are saying that. Yeah. Some people are saying that I still just just go talk to somebody. Don't don't go from zero to 100 overnight. It's just abuse. Just just go talk to somebody. You know what I mean? And I mean, we follow I follow people that You know talk about their trans stories and whatever and a lot of them waited for a very long time They were in therapy for like 20 plus years and and they're still not sure You know, so and they're adults. Yeah, and they've had extensive

Therapy and they've had extensive therapy and they've had extensive treatment and whatever. And some of them choose to and others choose not to because of it. You know, I've heard stories of the transitioners that have gone through early transition and then started to go to therapy and really get down to the root, like their root, like what caused them to feel this way? Is it trauma? Is it just going through puberty? Is it bullying? Like what was it that made them feel this way? And they actually got to the root cause of what it

was and then they realized that, um, that they're not there. They were just going through a tough time and then work on. Well the content out there for it is insane. Like these kids can find anything and all the groups that they want to, you know, validate them whatever they want to, you know, validate them, whatever they want. And so you got this fucking weirdo dude. Oh, that right. Natalie, I know a lady who's been a therapist for the last 10 years and finally just quit her profession because she was tired of dealing with all of this trans

nonsense. It's a lot. It is a lot. But Natalie, and you know, I don't know you want to know this answer, or if you can't disclose, you know, the answer to this or? Or was it because like, was she forced to sign these papers and say that it's okay that these kids and adults are of sound mind to make this decision? Or was it she just couldn't be around it anymore and chose to, you know, to, oh, okay. Yeah, and that's tough because you have, you know, therapists and you have professions that are in there that really love their job and are not trying to politically sway anybody in their own personal beliefs. And they're actually there to do their jobs.

And that's the problem is that we're losing good professionals like it sounds like that this woman that Natalie knows um that yeah they're leaving their jobs because they can't do their jobs and people that are not like that don't know what to do are now telling them that they have to do it this way. Olivia in California, hard to find a non gender affirming therapist. Yeah, cause they don't want to get canceled for ever and ever.

Even some of the doctors around here too, like they are assisting in gender or hormone blockers at least I think. And they're just afraid to get canceled. They're afraid to go against the mob. And they just and also to its money. But it's the drug business. It's awesome if you can. I want to get to this one too. What is it? Parents didn't want their kids to go through the therapy and just push to jump to the drugs and stuff. And then this is the same with

teachers. We're losing so many people who want to teach. Yeah. And that's what I would say with that is that parents don't want their kids to go through the therapy. As a parent watching my kid have to go through. Okay, fine. My own, my own struggles, my own traumas, my own shit that I had to work through. It was hard for me as an adult to go through that. So to picture that my son at a young age would have to go into a conversation like that, and there could be potential things that have happened,

his own personal trauma and whatever, and get into the messiness that is trying to figure out this kind of stuff. I get that as a parent, you don't wanna see your child struggle. You want to see them, maybe in this case, these parents want to see them get that endorphin fix,

fix it right away, that instant gratification that all that like so as a parent, like I get that but I'm also sad for that because life is not easy. And there are many things that we have to go through that we have to be there for our children to go through that are tough. You know, you hear many people say like, don't, don't make life too easy for your kids in certain aspects, because they need to learn how to deal with certain things like this. So when it comes to that, like it does sadden me that it is such a zero to 100. When, um,

when there, there are other steps that can be taken in between to just give it time, I always say just give it time. Uh, between to just give it time. I always say just give it time. Auxfitter? A-U Crossfitter? Something. I'm trying. As a same sex parent, I do not want my son to end up gay. I will never understand parents that transition their kids life is hard enough. I've always said that too. I hope our son isn't gay. I hope he doesn't have to go through any of this crap. It's, you know what I mean? It's hard enough just figuring out you are gay and then to have somebody push trans down your throat

is just insane. Trans kids aren't gay. Wait, what are we getting into? What's happening? Ooh. Now this one. Pat, oh, Pat's in the comment. OK, I get that as I am gay.

I'm just saying I don't understand parents that choose to transition their kids because I understand the shittiness of this work there. I think same thing for sure. I do, too. It's that's a hard life. And if you are trans, you're going to be on meds for the rest of your life. Like, there's no way around that. Who wants to do that? We're trying. We're already trying to get like stuff out of our food and chemicals out of, you know, our bodies that we don't need. And now you're going to just add more to children.

Like that's ridiculous. See, for, for me, I think that's still too young. Um, do you say 17 because like they can listen like the military and stuff like that because a lot of others like are later. I think 20 I think 17 is too young. Yeah, yeah, sure. We should hook children on hormones and student. I know it's crazy. It's just a money grab. The whole thing's fucking money grab. I'm for 18. Hey, 18. I think it's young. I do agree that that's still very young. I would hope you'd wait to see if you could get through at least through your teens and try to kind of figure out who you are and, and, but you know, 18 you're legal to do anything. You, you can go into the military, you drive a car, vote, still can't drink. But I think that that, that would be I'm for 25. I think that's a better age, but yeah,

but I'm, I think I'm closer with kind of the 25 because, Hey dude, it's not, it's not making, okay. So find your legal to do things. You're legal to drive a car. You can go to war, you know, that kind of stuff. But this is like, this is medically changing your body. So you can't come back from that you can't come back from, you know, that's why cigarettes are 21. That's why alcohol is 21. But even those, you can start doing them and

stop. Yeah. And kind of recover from that. Yeah. You can't recover from chopping your boobs off or taking testosterone for a certain amount of time. Yeah. But You can't recover from chopping your boobs off or taking testosterone for a certain amount of time. Yeah, that's you can't come back from that. Or, or there needs to be I think there should be a longer process to it. Because it is such a permanent. Yeah, change to. Oh, yeah, you can't even rent a car until you're 25. You right? No, that's right. Where was Pat's comment? This is not 100%. I don't think so. I mean, my experience personally, I didn't come out until I was almost 19. I still couldn't say I couldn't say I'm gay. I couldn't. I was very much still closeted and not, and not there yet. Not willing to

kind of concede that. I mean, I know everybody else has said that they knew I was, but that's great. I didn't know. I wasn't there yet. Colleen didn't. She didn't know till about five years into our marriage, she wouldn't say the words. So, everybody's coming out stories different. We all come out at different times. Seventeen, to me, is still high school figuring stuff out. You're not totally sure yet. Because also you see it the other way around. Kids come out as gay in high school and then all of a sudden it's like, oops, nope. I know a lot of girls that had girlfriends in high school and it was yay and it was trendy and it was whatever and you know what they realized they needed in their life? The D. And they're married with kids.

So it's I don't think 100%. Yeah, Bernie this. Oh, I think I pulled up your I'm sorry. I think I pulled up your wrong. Not in favor. Okay, I pulled up your wrong comment. You had another comment there. The brain continues to develop a mature into a person's mid to late 20s the frontal lobe which is responsible for higher cognitive function like like making decisions is last

part to mature. Yep. I agree. I agree. Just just wait. Just just take time. Yeah. Um, I did 17. Sue Colleen still ain't gay. Yep. You're right. She's still not. Glad you know. Um, but yeah, that was it. That was I got some weird. Yeah, Robbie, this is it's a tough one. It's a tough one and that's issue with my nephew my Part of the comment above he's too young to know but all the therapists just accept that he's gay. I Just think that they're I think what's missing is is the conversations I think that it just has to be just because it said

I think that it just has to be just because it said it has to be that we can't ask follow up questions. Therapists can't ask follow up questions. And yeah, you know, it's again, it's just a thing that it's that's scary is that they can't come back from it. If all of a sudden that you know, 2627 you decide you don't want to be trans anymore. I agree. I mean, if you needed to make it 25, fine. We're on the same page as long as they aren't children when they start.

Yeah, that's 100% the thing. So fine. If they're, if they do put into, if they put into the law, that 17 and 18 is fine. Fine. I don't agree with that. I still think it should be later, but as long as it's not, you know, two, three, four, five, six, seven, you know, 10, 11, 12, all these stories that we hear like, so absolutely agree with that. Extra Slot, what's up? I'm in favor of the government not being involved in medical decisions amongst parents and their children. I am absolutely in favor of that. Yeah. And it's interesting that that is what most people say is that it should be between the parents,

the child, and the doctor. But now what's happening is that the doctors have to follow a law that's being said that they have to, because if they don't, then in some cases – and I know I always get pushed back from this because it's not happening all the time, but there have been cases where parents have not agreed with affirming their children and they have lost their children. And so that is still something of concern that parents can lose the rights to their children. We can. It's in New York state law. It's happened.

They voted. They've happened here. We voted for it this last election and it passed. Yeah. We didn't vote for it. Right. We voted no, but everybody else in the freaking Manhattan. Age is part of the conversation now.

So now as a parent, my rights are questionable to take care of my child. It's in writing. Again, it's not a person to person, household to household basis. It is literally a general, everybody must follow the law. So if the argument is that it should be that the government should not be involved, that it should be between a parent, a child and a doctor, a professional. But then you have the professionals that have to follow a law because if they don't follow the law, then they're going to lose their medical license. The government's already involved. So how does that triangle of three

people actually able to be there? And the only person person that can that can lead the way essentially is a child that the parent can't ask for in any other case in any other case with any other thing a parent can ask for more assessment more questions yes I can't any second opinion all of these things. I mean, how many times you hear people, parents that say, okay, I don't agree with this doctor. I want a second opinion. But we can't say that when it comes to this specific topic where it's important.

It's surgeries are surgeries. So when you, was it your hips? your grandmother didn't like it, the first doctor, my neck surgery or your neck. Yeah. Your neck. The doctor told me that I would I wouldn't be able to do any kind of high impact anything anymore. And my grandmother was like, Well, that's not my granddaughter.

So nope. And then we went into the city. And then you got a second opinion. Yeah. Hospital for special surgeries ended up doing. Right. And he was like a surgeon for the Mets or some shit at the time. But if your grandmother was forced to go with that guy, just go with that guy, like, yeah, I would not have been able to do martial arts anymore. I wouldn't have been able to do CrossFit, play with our kid, like, yeah,

none of that anything. I mean, this is this is a long time ago. Yeah. But the principle being that, yeah, she was able to be unable now to ask for a second opinion. Yeah. When it comes to this, Adam, Blake's Lee 20 year olds are still children. It's hard to think of them that way because of how old most professional athletes are. Yeah, I know know I could go on and on about Professional athletes at 19 20 years old and the dumbass decisions that they make with a Buttload of money to finance it like it's insane Trish what age should men be able to start taking HRT? Are you talking about like replacement hormone therapy for? That's what that is. That's it, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know anything about that. That's for

chat appreciation or when the dudes are back on the show. I don't even know it. There's another one good one in here. This one dildo. What percentage of trans humans are a result of childhood trauma abuse of some kind I mean, I don't know but I can tell you not even trans just gay like trans I Don't know some shit happened to me when I was a kid, I know some shit happened to you when you were in high school I can rattle off about

Three or four different kids I went to high school with that shit happened to and they're gay. I don't know if any of them are trans, it's been a long time, but they're gay. So I can name a bunch of kids I was in college with that. Yeah yeah that had trauma that are not so I think it's I mean I don't know I think that's why Pat Lang fights so hard to say that if you just you're gay you're just born that way um I don's the accepted. If you got to be on my insurance until 26, I say when you are on your own fair. Absolutely. Fair. Like you can do it when you can go out and pay your own bills and pay for your own shit. Oh, Bernie, then you're old enough. So for the Mets, better insurance gets you the ones for the Yankees.

Wow. I mean, he did a good job. Bernie, I haven't had any problems with it. Knock on wood. That's right, Bernie. I had a fusion at C six and seven. So and spend that was 20 something years ago. So it's been fine since based on the Mets pitching staff, I wouldn't trust their searching. They were better back then. That was, it was, it was around the time when Mike Piaz was on the team.

We were good. We were a playoff team. Come on now. Give me a little, don't scare me like that, please. Thanks. Pat was born that Augustus like, Oh, Hey, what's up, dude? Gus, uh, Pat was born that way. Augustus is like, oh, hey, what's up, dude? Gus. Pat was born that way. So that is his belief. Lots of tism in trans kids. Yeah.

Yeah. That's weird. That's why we're so overprotective of him when it comes to school. And we're like in that school as much as we possibly can. We know all his teachers, what programs he's going to, even what classrooms he's in. I walked around in the classrooms just to see if there's like pride shit all over the place

because I was about to be like, nope, sorry. He's too young. He's too young. He's too young. I wonder if Piazza was gay. Dude, sometimes he looked it. But that, yeah, I could see that. He was a little kind of like Shannon Sharp a little bit. Oh yeah, don't people think he is?

He's a little zesty. Oh, is that what it's called? Yeah, they're zesty or Metro or I guess the old word was Metro. Trish, I think you've asked this question before, but we can answer it if you want. How old were you both when you had your first same sex interaction? Like a kiss? Like a... Yeah, like be more specific. I mean, for like, not for my first sexual experience was in college, but just like kissing,

hooking up knowing I liked her or whatever, probably ninth grade when anything actually did happen. I more remember it by soundtracks. It's like the Seal soundtrack without or some shit like that. I remember a lot of things in my life when it comes to music and stuff like that. Who's your, the Miller band? What, Steve Miller band? That was that that was that time frame of my life was the Steve Miller band. So, um, for me, my first was my ex. So I was 19. Yeah, me too. I was 19 when for sex. Yeah, I told that story the other day mm-hmm and she rolled over and looked at me and was like don't worry, babe

It can only get better from here and I was like oh No, I'm terrible at this Was it scary or were you like nope, this is what I like In ninth grade. It was definitely scary kissing her yeah hooking up you didn't know and you can't tell anybody and you can't tell your parents and You don't want to get caught and so yeah, it was a little scary little nerve-racking but no that was what I was into I was not sexually Attracted to dudes. Mm-hmm. I think guys are hot like Jake Chapman's hot. Don't tell him that

But don't tell him that Yes, it was scary, but then I also was the very surprised as to how much Yes, right yes, you're right. Um, yeah, I it was scary But it was I was very surprised as to how much I enjoyed it. We'll say that. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you, and also too, you can, you don't want to mess up and find a straight girl because that's touching you touching.

Yep. You're right. Oh God, I never put that together. That's good. I like that one. Um, yeah. And you can't really hit on anyone as a kid because you don't know if they're straight or gay. So you kind of got to like, subtly find each other. But yeah, it was through all your stereotypical

shit, which is why I don't mind stereotypes. It was through basketball, softball. You just, we were all naturally in those areas. Not me, not me. I was not in those areas until later. Pat Lang, every single person I've ever met told me they knew when they were gay when they were kids. You think they're all lying. No. And I, if I look back on it, sure, I knew I was gay.

Sure. I knew I liked girls. If I look back at it and I go through, I know I had a crush on my softball coach one time. I know that I was in love with Angelina Jolie from Tomb Raider and had her pictures everywhere. I've told the story before about Xena Warrior Princess. She was probably my number one superhero of all time. And stuff like that I can look back and be like, yeah, you know, I sure but at the time it didn't feel like that. Well, according to Jan and Jake, it doesn't make you gay if you look. So I thought looking back like I would check girls out and whatever. But according to them, that doesn't make you gay.

So I wasn't gay until I was. And also to all of the all of the mentors that I had that kind of helped me through that process that I knew that I could go to just told me that not there's doesn't need to be labels. There's no labels. Just you're figuring yourself out. So I mean, yeah, whereas when I came out, I'm not saying no line. No. When I came out, like you had to have a label. Like I had to have a label. And so it was very different then. Yeah. And now it

like, it's kind of going back to back and forth to like, I don't want to label, I don't need a label, or I do want one. I have one, you know what I mean? So it's crazy. What that's why we don't want our kids to be gay, because it's just so to go through that is it's difficult. It's hard. It takes a long time. There's a lot of processing to do and coping to do and having people where they accept you where they won't accept you. I mean, pretty much now I think everybody's like, who cares? But, you know, I mean, pretty much now I think everybody's like, who cares? But, you know,

what else to be happy? Oh, I'd be happy. That's, that's what I choose. So cross that you'd be a lesbian for what for who? Probably on probably on as a yarn or as Jake. I definitely didn't choose it. Yeah, yeah, You don't. It just I don't know. I get it. I get it. Get it. So many dicks. What is that? We'll end on so many dicks. Oh, oh, Zina. Oh, you gave five. Yeah. She gave me shot. Yeah, I don't know, dude. I really I was like the one time where I wanted a breastplate And I wanted to actually wear something a girl wears Um

Where was I oh I was going to shawn Uh, i've seen so many dicks it is how I am so confused. I am not gay only a handful of them have intrigued me Someone well, isn't that a thing? Don't straight men just send each other dick pics all day and ass pics all day. Isn't that just, you've been watching. Is that part of it? I stopped watching.

Or is it just Taylor? Is it just Taylor? Uh, all right, guys. I just looked at it. Holy crap. We've been chilling for a while. That's fun. Guys.

We appreciate you. Um, hopefully I've got wherever he needs to go. Oh, safely. Oh Pat. It is. It's just Taylor. It appreciate you. Um, hopefully I've got wherever he needs to go safely. Oh Pat, it is. It's just Taylor. Um, am I a lesbian for watching lesbian scenes? I think you'd make a great lesbian. Dildo. Okay. Um, yeah, someone I'll be back regularly. Oh, tomorrow if you guys want, um, in the afternoon we got down pepper coming on and chit chat. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, five 30 est Eastern standard time. Yep. So we got that and then Pedro's coming to hang out with us on Sunday. So pat, we can't, what's that? Go to work. Yeah, I gotta go to work. Um, we were able to move our schedules a little

bit. Yeah, we got the whole day I would love to what we have two more hours. No Jodie. That is not this show Yeah, I don't know how he does that. It's insane how he does that. Yeah But yeah, otherwise, we'll see you guys on our channel and Trish that was really funny last night girl. I I love you. Jody Lynn, Pat Lang. Thank you guys all for hanging out and helping us do this. I don't know if you realize that because you might have left already, but Trish puts you at the kids table.

Yeah, Trish puts you at the kids table. The adults, it was like her and Bernie came in at the end of the, at the end of the show and it was like the adults were here. They just edged us with an hour and a half. You're welcome. Isn't that what we're here for? I'm proud of myself. I've never edged a dude before. Let's go. All right. Did I just lose a star? Yes.

I just lost a star. Shit. And apparently seven hugs from behind. So I saw that David Weed. Omar, thank you. Appreciate you guys. Yes. Have a great. Have a great home day. And I'll see you guys in the chat. All right. We'll see you guys. Appreciate you guys. Have a great, have a great home day and I'll see you guys in the chat. All right. We'll see you guys soon.

Later. Bye. That was fun. You guys fun.