The Sevan Podcast - Greg Glassman | Live Call In Show #951

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

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That's BetterHelp.com. meeting with friends before the show we can book your reservation and when you get to the main event skip to the good bit using the card member entrance let's go seize the night that's the powerful backing of american express visit amex.ca slash y amex benefits vary by card other conditions bam we're live god this guy sorry three minutes take a deep breath ah thank you uh allison yc morning yay for god is that funny hey good morning yeah good morning to miss allison good morning you're in your uh um you're in s Cruz? Indeed. In your office? Yeah, I need better weather than this, but here we are. Is it not sunny this morning?

I ran so quickly in my office, I didn't even look outside. It's a gray star. Do you expect that this time of year? Yeah. Problem is, it's been doing it all day long for a couple of weeks in and out. We had three great days. We had three great days. Amazing. It's been amazing.

I would say even yesterday got hot. Yeah. Sevan, don't ask Greg about abortions. All right. Perfect. It's off the table. Good morning, Robbie. Oh, good morning, everyone. Good to see everyone. Bruce Wayne. Greg is back table. Good morning, Robbie. Oh, good morning, everyone.

Good to see everyone. Bruce Wayne. Greg is back again. Yeah, he is. Coach Glassman is. Oh, look at that. Coach Glassman is working on some wads on his whiteboard. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, this is the second time. Look, here's another one holy shit greg's face yep there he is there's his face you have a face sure enough um you uh you were telling me the other day that you're thinking about switching or that you wish you wouldn't have got on the glass board kick yeah in your office there you're okay with all that dusty i know you're pretty uh fastidious uh clean guy and you like everything to have its order you'd be okay with a chalkboard back there in your in your so so check this out i got okay chalkboards at my place in scottsdale both in the' school room and in my office.

And I love them. And that kind of started at the HQ office in Scotts Valley, where we put up the big law school style sliding up chalkboards where I did the five buckets of death. And I so enjoyed those chalkboards and the chalk. i've got a list of advantages of chalk over chalkboards but it was it was too late i already had glass boards in offices i had this one ordered for here i've got one in the dining room here i mean it might be the the godfather of glass boards and with the chalks the chalk is is better advantages uh for shooting

for camera work there's less glare from the glass uh for camera work there's better contrast between the chalk and the uh and the substrate believe it or not um you don't ruin the marker when you go over another line so if you take a black dry erase over a red line, you can now get the black on the red and it's fucked. Okay. Making black and red forever. You know, oh, the more colors available, you know, it's a... What about the hand?

I know you're a big hand guy. You like the way stuff feels in your hands, your texture. You always talk about the way things feel. You're okay with the chalk getting on your hands and the mess and the dust? Not really. Nope, nope just it's the cost of education but it's a it's a better it's a better way and there's also things you can do tricks like dotted lines and stuff that can be done with chalk that you can't do with dry erase so anyways i asked myself but look how easy it is to get me triggered um i said to myself i can't be the only partisan in

the chalk versus dry erase debate you know why do i care no one else does and you know i've even got my favorite chalk right yeah yeah what was the name look at george from the united states marine corps says you can also shade with chalk there you go there you go thank you it's for george leave it to a marine to and they have to do everything in powerpoint right or in the sand with a stick but i i put a chalk versus dry erase into google and a new york times article showed up on this book do not erase and it's mathematicians and their chalkboards. And so I got it. And truly inspirational. An amazing thing.

So the glass board you see here behind me, I've actually ordered a chalkboard to replace it. No shit? Or I'll move it over. I'll do something. And for some reason, this is your chalk of choice. Is that the horror? Yeah.

Yeah. Hagaromo. Yeah. Hagaromo. And in fact, in the New York Times article, the Hagaromo chalk is mentioned in the stuff's amazing. Silk is mentioned in the second paragraph of the story. It's mentioned in the second paragraph of the story that chalk nuts and chalkboard nuts are nuts about their Hagaromo chalk, and I can testify. Do you have to be introduced into that? Is chalkboard work – is that a way of thinking? Is that a way of processing? And how do you get into that if that is? What is that? What is chalkboard work? You will go into a room by yourself with a chalkboard.

Yeah. Do you remember the first time you did that? Was that awkward? How do you get into that? Do you get what I'm saying? To you, maybe it seems secondhand, but to me, it's kind of weird. It's something I wish I had as part of my practice. I don't know the origins of it. Even for yourself? Yeah. As a kid, I had a dry erase board, a four-by-eight dry erase with a tray sitting on my dresser leaning against the wall.

Four foot by eight foot? Uh-huh. Your dad bought it for you? He must have. I didn't have any fucking money right and you never knew what it was for he wasn't like hey he wouldn't like write your chores on there or something every morning he didn't buy it for you it's a place i'm sure there was more of that than i want to remember wow crazy and and you and if you had ideas from a young kid, you would just put them up there? Yeah, lists, right? You'd work on them, yeah. Oh, I can see your TV in the, barely, but I can see your TV in the mirror in the background. I can't see what it is.

Yeah, I was listening to some of the testimony of, what's his name? The special prosecutor. Oh, Durham. Yeah. It's really bad. Not the testimony, but the information. It kind of hurts my heart. At 51, I'm still waking up to just the

fucking sheer corruptness. Is that guy partisan, Greg? Is that guy Republican or Democrat? What's his deal? Because he says some pretty damning shit about the Clintons. Well, he – do I think he's telling the truth? I do. Okay, more important. At this point though, he's partisan whether he wanted to be or had a bias or not. Meaning the Democrats hate him. That's correct. We know people.

We know people that were gored, people whose friends were all Democrats, were all liberals, friends were all were all uh democrats were all liberals who in the course of their professional work spoke truth and got canceled dissociated uh ostracized pushed out and it's been it's been a life-altering situation you paul uh politicians scientists teachers just people who were who were who were liberals but who were like hey this doesn't make sense and then were pushed out correct in that in that report i don't want to i don't want to speak for anyone but boy you got a handful of them at Stanford alone On the subject of COVID Right And I'd say more about it But these people have come to be

Somewhere between acquaintances and friends At this point So I'm not going to tell their story But wow what a story to be told Not just top scientists in the world But the top I don the world but the top scientists i don't know if there was i don't know what a top is meaning we'll argue metric famous for their professional work in the in the health space and most cited in in the world maybe oh yes yes legends legends yeah that said

hey wait a minute this doesn't add up and And and in some part, because of the media that would listen to them, they're now on the other side recognized to be bad guys. It's crazy. And so they're people without a country. And this has happened to New York Times writers, to Stanford professors of medicine, blah, blah, blah. writers to stanford professors of medicine blah blah blah what do you mean by that it's not it's not new here um i mean this has been this has been going on for for a long while what do you mean without a country what did i say uh people without a country now they're people without a country within within and without the country, maybe. Right. Globally. Basically something their country turned on them. Peter Gauthier. No, the intellectual academic scientific apparatus turned on him. peter gauthier spoke truth to hpv vaccine he spoke truth to um to uh mammograms uh he spoke the truth about uh what else what was the what was the other thing and he got wiped off of

wikipedia right now he got uh he got removed from the cochran board under under bizarre accusations that never panned out to be anything and he had no less than the likes of john iannotti saying he's the most important medical researcher in all of europe and uh what's going on here and And boom, he got canceled. Psych meds for peds, that's the other thing. He had the audacity to reveal that psych meds in pediatrics, in peds in children, gives a significantly increased rate of suicide. Antidepressants cause suicide in teens.

Peter Godshea points that out and life changed for him. That and the mammogram deal. Same kind of thing. We all watched that happen. The world watched that happen. And the mammogram deal. When he came out to us and we sat with him,

I'm like, dude, you, like, I don't know why you're still walking around. You mean you surprised people didn't kill him. The League of Forces against you at the point that you've stood up to Bill Gates and his HPV vaccine announced to the world that the mammograms annually for people under 50 are doing more harm than good. That was another Gauthier stunt. And he comes armed. He's a PhD MD. He's held some of the most illustrious positions in and outside of industry and academia.

Co-founder of what the Cochran collaboration. I mean, this guy's a legend. A legend. But he's called BSs on too much bs and the amount of market force behind uh psych meds and uh screening prophylactic screening for every kind of thing you could ever imagine fearing and uh the totality of of market forces against the guy like that is overwhelming which brings up this interesting point um he did speak at one of the uh cfmd l1s right crossfit medical level ones this guy uh gochie he spoke at the at the derelict doctors club at the ddc which was a better than just an appearance in an, in an L one,

the L one, the L one was satellite to the, uh, speakers event that we did. It went on almost as long as the, as an L one did. And so one was going on in one building, as you recall,

and the other than the other. And Peter Gauthier was one of the speakers at the CrossFit derelict club. It, uh, so I had forgotten that. So basically the way Greg had it set up is he would invite doctors, they would take their CrossFit level one. And then once they had taken their CrossFit level one at one of these medical doctors level ones, which was basically just the same as a level one, but you did it all with doctors, then you could come back for other events and you didn't take the level one, but you heard these speakers that came from around the world. That's correct. And the formation from it came after we did the first MDL one at the second one, we did guys that went to the first one showed up and were being derelicts and interrupting the L one that was in progress that they were interlopers at. Right, right.

So you gave them something to do, listen to speakers. Well, let's get them over to my house first off, feed them something, and let's get some speakers. And the next thing you know, we got Seyfried in the kitchen and Tim Noakes and whoever else we got around. It was a good parade of folks. and Tim Noakes and whoever else we got around. It was a good parade of folks.

It's almost like you're not a great scientist until you make that journey. It's almost like you have to make the journey through academia, through all these presuppositions, and then when you come out the other side, like when you mentioned Noakes, go from eating so many carbs to give yourself type 2 diabetes to then realize, oh, shit, I've been going the wrong way. The people that we called mess birds that we brought through the Zoe Harcombs, Malcolm Kendricks, Jason Fong, all those people that we had out, Thomas Seyfried. They're they're outstanding in that as researchers, as scientists, as writers, as physicians, they know something critical, something vitally important that is also not mainstream. In fact, it's often orthogonal or diametric, you know, very much in opposition to mainstream position. But nonetheless, essential in the biological sense of vital to the

performance or health of the organism. And they seem alone, but they're not, because there are a whole lot of us that know they're right. But most of us that know that they are right come into one of several camps. There you there's nothing you can do about it other than maybe in your own life but there are others that know they're right and are in no position to their own safety or security to say anything and so what we came to see in these mess birds and i wrote something to this effect in the forward to uh the redoing of the cholesterol book, the anthology. But these folks are marked in both their brilliance to know something that others don't, and then their bravery to say something about it, where even some of the others that do know won't or feel they can't and this is true clearly of tim noakes of gary fetke of zoe harcombe i you

know malcolm kendrick thomas seafreed jay badacharya you throw him in there for sure yeah yeah yeah but i he jays an interesting character um a brilliant man a brilliant scientist scientist, economist and a physician. And, you know, he's – I don't want to speak for Jay. I've got a lot of respect for him, and he's been right. He's been right. Yeah, over at Stansman. Yeah, I saw him. He was at the last two BSI events, maybe three.

I've met him, had the honor to meet him over at, just in the audience there. Great guy. It's an honor to sit with him and listen to him. And he's extremely well read. He just about digest anything you give him to read he's uh i have an immense respect for for dr badacharya i saw this um i saw this uh study i'm probably going to misquote it but here we go anyway it was uh they they took um they gave students who were going into college a critical

thinking test as they entered college and then they gave it to them again as they left and the only major that improved their critical thinking were people who were economists economic majors and that i find that i find that interesting right because they're dealing with numbers and theories around numbers and and how numbers work and how money works, right? And how it moves and changes. And this guy is that, right? You said he's a PhD in economics and an MD. What a combination, right? Yep. The CrossFit level – this Molo says, Greg, we missed you at CrossFit Health. We had a great meeting you and Sevan at MDL1 five years ago. So I don't mean to shit on anyone or anything, but the CrossFit – that CrossFit Health can't be – that was about, the name was kind of weird because it was CrossFit Health, but one of the mission statements was to show the ills of modern medicine, right?

Yeah. And I think a lot of people interpreted it as something different, but it's definitely not that now, right? As far as I know, they don't, that's why you would have all those speakers come simultaneously to show, hey, a lot of the things those speakers did is, hey, this is where medicine lost its way. And this is, you know, this is where science lost its way. Yeah, the pattern by which the truth was withheld or kept at arm's length, the repression of the truth and the methods of the nonsense science became very familiar to a large group of people that are to this day friends. And so, you know, it was easy to make good friends of these people. And their stories eventually became very, very familiar

and became, you know, what a great thing to see Thomas Seyfried meet Malcolm Kendrick, you know, and to be able to do that in your home. But the alliance is a natural one. Think of the kinship. Again, I'm going to go back to people smarter than everyone else and braver than anyone else. I had people tell me that you know a neurologist from Australia that you know, he's a friend of ours, who told me that what Gary Fetke went through would have destroyed him. me that what Gary Fetke went through would have destroyed him.

That Fetke was well-established, multi-generational kind of physician with a whole lot of money and had the resources, time and money to fight this thing. And he says, I would have been destroyed by it. And that's what led Russ Green to offer that you can lose a war and win the battles. And it's that marginal cost that's the problem. what Fetke battled and won and what the young pediatrician in Sweden fought and won and what Tim Noakes fought and won was entirely discouraging to the rest of the practitioners watching. And the message was loud and clear that unless you've got a lot of money and a lot of resources you better be very careful about what you say and that can be true of sugar

of statins of cholesterol of vaccines COVID in particular yeah that one was just crazy just out in the open still crazy this is at

by the way this is at the CrossFit Games I don't know 2018-19 you invited Fetke and others out to talk does Fetke have a book? Yeah, I think so. For anyone who's interested, it's Gary, G-A-R-Y, Fetke, F-E-T-T-K-E.

The name of this lecture, it's on the CrossFit YouTube channel. It's called The Role of Nutrition in Everything. He's very, I don't know what the word is, palatable. No one should be uh yeah he's palatable look his story his story is pretty simple um i i took off the toes then the feet then the legs of your grandfather i took off the toes then the feet then the legs of your mother and now we're taking off your toes and and the problem with your diabetes is fueled by the sugar you're consuming that was his sin that's where he got into trouble imagine that yeah crazy yeah he was speaking

outside of orthopedics and had no right to do so and it put him in a pitched battle with enormous costs for his medical license fighting what nutritionists and what else scholars from the u.s of course always bought and paid for scholars yeah yeah yeah look up research international life sciences institute sounds good it couldn't be it couldn good. It couldn't be uglier. Oh, so much shit like that. Yeah. Totally different subject here real quick.

Greg, thoughts on Justin Berg before you answer that. Justin got, we don't know what happened, but he's no longer with CrossFit. Bud Hole, I think that's a play on butthole. Coach Glassman, why did you hire Justin Berg? I didn't, that was a, you know, I didn't.

That was, that was below your pay grade. Yeah. I want to, I want to blame Tony. I want to give tony credit for jb uh uh he's i wish i wish him well in his new endeavors yeah and i know he always wanted to do something in the golf world and so i'm sure we'll be seeing him on the Golf Channel soon. Yeah, fair. Jan Clark, these weekly lives with Greg are excellent. Well, good.

Thank you. Thanks, Jan. We've only begun. We're only 24 minutes in. Jan, is that a play on board? I think that's the guy's real name. I'm kidding. Of course it is.

We're just – listen, guys. I'm trying to get through the comments and stay engaged with the boss man. You talk about workbench – Greg, you talk about workbench scientists. Workbench scientists. Can you define that for me, Logan Mars? I don't know that I did. Yeah, I'm trying to remember where – I don't remember that either. i want to look that term up hold on is that a term work bench scientist i don't ever remember using either work bench scientist i think i know what it is though

but what is it let me see if i can find it it's a it's a guy who's doing significant science in the garage. I mean, I think we'd have to say that Gregor Mendel was a workbench scientist. There was a guy from JPL, a rocket fuel guy, that was having explosions going off in his neighborhood in Pasadena. There may have been a documentary done on him. What does it say? That was something totally different. Oh, look at it. Helpless people at the White House.

All scientific research conducted at medical schools and teaching hospitals ultimately aims to improve health and ability basic science research, often called fundamental or bench research. This is the wrong definition. I've taken this down the wrong path. I've taken this down the wrong path. Bench science is scientific research experimentation usually conducted in a laboratory. Yep. Yep. But I like what you're saying, people who are doing significant work just in their own garage.

I mean, I think that's how... The fundamental engineering projects that come out of a place like a Hughes or Lynn, Raytheon, JPL, they have laboratories that are filtering up information that gets fed into kind of fundamental science in real time. Weekly, sometimes daily experiments that are being used to help to build hardware, to shape software, to alter the technology that's employed

for whatever it is, imaging radar systems, blah, blah, blah. That's bench science. Allison again. She changed her picture. Greg, I would like to apologize. Did you say mammograms cause cancer my coffee maker was too loud i'm saying that peter goche made the case

very convincingly mathematically statistically that uh annual mammograms for people under 50 does more harm than good for women under 50 can i say women or do i have to say people you can say on this show you can still say women uh riley s yeah go shoot your boobs with radiation every year a mammogram is not shooting your boobs with radiation is it is it yeah it's an ionizing radiation oh but listen i look i'm not i'm not here to be an expert on radiation, boobs, or mammograms, but I would endorse a read of Peter Gauthier's book on mammography. It's a hard read, and I don't mean from the standpoint of technically difficult, though it is mildly challenging.

Technically difficult, though it is mildly challenging. It's just shocking in the resistance to something that is so clearly shown. It's not even the first one that comes up on Amazon. David Weed, does Greg have spicy water? Wow, you know my drink, David. Spicy watermelon margaritas for breakfast. No, that's my drink. That is not. No, that's not a breakfast drink.

That's not Greg. Trish, annual cancer screenings are another racket Here's what I think Here's what I think Gilbert Welch Another guy who ran into some trouble He's a PhD mathematician MD Hired by NIH To make the case for glaucoma. What's the prostate one? Prostate specific

antibodies, PSA testing. Let's see, it was glaucoma. What's the guy's name again, Greg? Colonoscopy, Gilbert Welch. And one at a time, he looks at these things and he comes to the conclusion that, man, all the advantage disappears and becomes negative once you start screening healthy people. That the false positive and the downsides of treatment for people who don't really need it clearly could cause more harm than good.

He could find this out over and over again with everything he tested so he had to go oh he did have to oh from harvard yep yeah wow he doesn't think that he doesn't think that healthy people should be screened for things the absent symptoms you should stay away. A Dartmouth College investigation has concluded that Dr. H. Gilbert Welch, one of the country's most prominent healthcare policy scholars, committed research misconduct. Oh, so now they're slamming him. That's what it looked like to me.

Wow. We did a pretty deep dive on this, and it was like, you know, come on. That's not really what happened here. It didn't seem fair. Yeah. Hey, it's funny. You pick anyone who has a problem, regardless of their background.

You could have been eating out of the trough all along. their background you could have been eating out of the trough all along but the first person that rears their head up and says that they have a problem with the with the delivery on a on some kind of care that's got a lot of dollars behind it some kind of diet and you're going to have troubles in your life and And there's no issues. It's funny that they accuse him of plagiarism. There's nothing wrong with plagiarism, even in the slightest, when you compare it to things like the replication crisis, right, or corruption or falsification. It's like I've got a huge problem with plagiarism. When I dug into the case, I don't want to pretend to remember it now because it's this kind of thing. It goes on in a lot of directions. I was satisfied that he'd done nothing wrong.

Oh, he had not even plagiarized. No, no, no. That's not what that was. Ethan, thank you. Thank you. And your girlfriend's hot. So there. Take that. Take that. Appreciate that. Going back to – I want to say something interesting about the Durham thing that I didn't know, just some of the things that I uncovered yesterday it was in 2016 hillary clinton hillary clinton's campaign paid to create this russian dossier this guy's testifying to that and jim jordan said that that they basically her campaign made this thing up and that the director of the FBI knew that this goes on in the testimony that happened yesterday. The director of the FBI knew that it was fake and didn't tell the investigators. So I guess that there's a difference between the investigations that happened from the FBI.

I think he told the president. He even told the president that he knew it was fake. I think he told the president. He even told the president that he knew it was fake. Yes. Who's who in his notes, I think is my recollection. He recalled that didn't didn't have much interest in the subject. And that was Obama at the time.

I think I'm recalling this correctly. But look, this is an old story at this point. Like, come on. Yes. I mean, I just couldn't believe the shit I was hearing yesterday. The whole collusion thing was complete and utter bullshit. And we've known that for a long time now. They said that they never investigated the person who brought the dossier, who is the guy who created it. The field office never interviewed him.

He was never even questioned it's it's it's crazy it's this is this story is just absolutely nuts how when they do you know anything about this we're so i'm sitting there in my garage watching the tv watching jim jordan um interview uh special counsel durham what what happens after that does someone have to will any action get taken on that or is it the whole thing is just a pony show? No idea. Yeah. No idea.

My crystal ball is pretty cloudy. It's frustrating to see it out in the open and so clear and yet nothing happening. Nothing happening. Have you been following the Hunter Biden stuff? Yeah, dude, like from years back. You remember two Christmases ago, my gift for everyone was Hunter Biden's laptop from hell.

Yeah, I actually ended up reading it. And I read that thing and I think you asked me, is it real? And I said, without a doubt. And you asked me how I could tell it was real. And I said, look, if you told me Quentin Tarantino had written this, I would have told you that's bullshit. You know why? Because that brilliant writer can't write that brilliantly. write that brilliantly um to to claim that you can't tell the difference between transcripts of real phone calls and real and and real text messages and fake ones that were created by

ham-handed and they are it's always ham-handed uh russian or chinese disinformation um it would be to not be able to see the difference between a documentary and, and video footage of a crowd scene. I mean, it's, you know, I'm sorry, documentary versus a, versus a film, an actor talking. Like the Blair Witch Project. I was thinking of exactly that. You don't have to be too discriminating to look at that and figure out what's real here and that it that that is not and it was remarkable in that effect it's kind of like john kramer being able to leave a message on his answering machine that sounds like him you know um you just can't offer up a whole lot of that that thing that thing reeked of authenticity. It was tragic.

And it was also abundantly clear that the old man's a crook. Abundantly clear. The big guy. Yes. Yeah. And you just read this going, holy cow. Wow. Wow.

And so I hear that my Christmas gift is Russian disinformation. Of course, it's not. Of course, it's bullshit. No, no, no thinking person with much life experience could read that and not see through that nonsense. And yet they got 50 people at the FBI security experts to testify that to sign a letter saying it was bullshit. And then two years later to say it's real yeah Jeremy E. World I'm still really dumb but I feel smarter

when I listen to Glassman talk here's 10 bucks towards some salty margaritas you guys are sweet did you hear about the the rapper uh kodak uh is it kodak kodak black who used his wrong uh used the wrong social security number probably on purpose to purchase three guns and he got three years in jail and that his lawyers have stepped up and been like wait a second you have a guy who lied saying Hunter Biden, and he gets off. But our client, Kodak Black, got three years in jail.

And then as I dug in more, I guess Trump pardoned that guy. Did you follow that part of the story? It's interesting. Yeah. So Trump pardoned that guy. And his lawyers are like Hey man what the fuck is going on Did you see the other thing by the way

Did you see his interview with Bret Baier Trump's No I didn't So there's this thing basically I can't watch the guy Trump Yeah I'd rather watch Biden

For entertainment value Uh huh But my favorite is kamala hands down yeah i think she is everyone's favorite it's i was i would i would spend money to sit and listen to her on venn diagrams alone for big money at madison square gardens or something she could just go on for two hours on Venn diagrams. Her stupidity is the world's best kept secret. I don't know how the hell she does it. I can't figure that part out.

Well, the president is at the mental capacity. I think his mental capacity is perfectly expressed in his choosing of her as vice president. Right? It's inconceivable. Would you ever run for office?

Never. How come? I don't know. What if I won? No, I don't know. It's just not my thing. Sebi, I have everything I could ever hope to have. I got it all.

I'm healthy. I got a loving family. A ton of kids. I got a new grandkid. And what you don't have is on its way. And the chalkboard's on its way. Everything you don't have is on its way. And the chalkboard's on its way, yeah. Everything you don't have is on its way. My chalkboard's coming. I'm removing glass boards to put up chalkboards.

That's how comfortable I am. John Clark. Life's good. It's Jonathan Clark, but Stevan would pronounce it with a Y, so I changed it. Oh, yeah. So I think that's funny. I'm starting to vaguely remember that he used to have it written as jonathan clark but because i saw he donated

money in pounds i would always call it change it to yawn i was trying to be like sophisticated so like a good a good guest he um he accommodated accommodated my um uh ignorance uh heidi krum uh uh boob expert greg glassman everyone's i'm a can i be boob expert also uh david uh unfortunately most of medicine has been turned into a racket yeah it's bad Here's the problem, is that what qualifies as science, the manner in which the social sciences practice, the criteria for publication in peer-reviewed journals, journals, that variant of science that has infected psychology, sociology, gender studies, I don't care, anything that economics, all of the social sciences, the epistemic infection of science that is that methodology has been incorporated by medicine. And that looks like null hypothesis, significant testing, p-values, and publication in peer-reviewed journals, the focus on high-impact journals as a substitute to satisfy validation in the science. And in real science, in science that works, in science that will replicate, science that isn't infected, validation comes from the predictive strength

of the models. And medicine, academic medicine has gotten away from that. And that is the sin, that is the cost, that is the disaster. That's the crisis of the replication crisis. Something I invite everyone to just take a look at. Just put replication crisis into Google and see what comes up. It's a remarkable story. But some of the worst impact in the fields of study is academic medicine. In particular, in the most egregious instance, it's hematology and oncology, preclinical science, on which a whole bunch of clinical trials, randomized clinical trials, were developed in trying to improve cancer drugs. And I mentioned this on your show before, I'm sure, something that everyone can take a look at, but the Begley-Ellis research that took a decade, spent a billion dollars, funded by Amgen to look

at these foundational studies, and they don't work. It's not science. And that's what happens when you move away from validation coming from a hypothesis becoming a theory based on its predictive strength and replacing that with the probability of the data against the null, assuming the null to be true, the null hypothesis significant testing of academic science. And it might be the most boring subject in the world, but it also might be the most boring subject in the world but also might be the most important thing in the world give me so you keep referring to academic science science give me what's the distinction between that and other science what are you talking about well like the stuff they're doing at spacex is different it's a different kind of science than what's going on in uh uh hematology at pick your university and the fact that you say a different kind of science that's that's um that's um uh facet i don't know facetious is the right word but that's that's the poignant mark right there shouldn't be different kinds of

science is what you're saying that's correct it's correct yeah we refer to. We refer to it as modern science. The science is practiced at SpaceX and Intel. Yeah. And in almost all of technology where deliverables are critical. And in that environment, your theories have to have predictive strength to be legitimate. They find validation solely through their predictive strength. That's it. They find validation solely through their predictive strength. That's it. And in fact, method and validation are entirely independent. Whether it was dreamed or came from perspiration or inspiration, the validation is solely the predictive strength of the model of the theory. That's how you get rockets to Mars.

That's what makes your iPhone work. That's why we can do this broadcast here. And when drugs work, where they work, when research is done right, that's what you need. You need a prediction of an observable. And the strength, the predictive strength of that model is the validating factor for a science that works. Now, you can replace that with something else. You can not talk at all about the predictive strength of a hypothesis. You can even ignore your hypothesis. And we see studies where it's

hard to glean the hypothesis from what's delivered. But what we do see is an experiment conducted and some data generated that is then matched ad hoc arbitrarily to a test statistic of your choosing, a p-value calculated, and you conduct your experiment until you get the p-value you want. If it's less than 0.05 and you get the right journal to publish it, it's a go. And what has never happened in that process, not once, is have you demonstrated the novel prediction of an important observable? And if you want to make science that doesn't work, that's how you do it. And I don't – yeah yeah is there something in between is there something that bridges that gap so so i think i've heard you use the word industrial

science are you okay with me we're pointing to um yeah so you have industrial science and then somewhere in the middle you have you have like um don't know, let's just call it incomplete science. And then all the way on this other side, you have something that's called corrupt science. I feel like that there's something in between, that it's worse than the fact that it's academic science, that it's poor procedure, that it's fucking also corrupt. Yeah, the epistemic debasement. also corrupt. Yeah, the epistemic debasement. Once I say that science is good, that science finds validation by having the right p-values and being published in this prestigious journal, now that we all agree that this is the answer and we got the right p-values and we're in the right journal, that that's how we know it's good. Once that is your process, there's another

corruption. That's a corruption right there. To change the predictive strength of a model as the determinant of validity, to switch that with null hypothesis significance testing and publication in esteemed magazines, the journals, once that switch has been made, that is an epistemic debasement. At that moment, the science becomes political and non-objective. We lose the rationale for trust in science. We lose the driving force for replication. When your celebration of life is prepaid in advance, it becomes a gift from you to your family later, because no one should have to plan for a loss while they're experiencing one

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Things with the desired p-value and being published in the right journals are ripe. First of all, it's an epistemic debasement. We've destroyed the epistemology that makes modern science work. And that is a corruption, like a corrupted computer file. The next corruption that comes is ineluctable, and that's the guys over at Coca-Cola that realize that if all you have to do is get a good P-value and publish in the right magazines, we got this thing. It will not take us long at all to show that actually sugar is good for you and an important nutrient. And that's built in, even though I don't understand it, the p-value and the null hypothesis, what you're saying is those two things that are the element of the corruption that is embedded in academic science.

It's part of the process. The process that is null hypothesis significance testing, NHST, and its p-values that are part of that process, that delivers none of the certainty that is widely presumed about p values not only that but it can be manipulated easily readily routinely almost unavoidably and and this isn't isolated incidences this is running rampant when when people have deigned to spend the money and time to look into fields like oncology and hematology and see what portion of it is uh is uh replicable what was the number we did this before i had to recreate i think it was six of the 53 so 11 something percent yeah 11 percent of the now i want to I want to confess something here. This is discussed in the literature talks about foundational bedrock. The truth is, is that they went after these studies because they had based clinical trials on them that didn't work.

And there's a bias there. They suspected they weren't any good anyways. They had once believed them to be foundational. They had believed them to be bedrock. And they also saw them at Amgen as opportunities to come up with cancer treatments that would be breathtaking, revolutionary, groundbreaking, right? That didn't work. And Begley had enough experience in drug development to know that something was wrong. And so he went back to look at the assumptions on which they had made the decision to undertake these randomized clinical trials. And a decade later, going through 53 studies, they found that there were six of them that would replicate. I mean, you can't have a greater failing. And I call that

broken science. One journalist said, if that ain't broken, what is? We spoke recently at a college and the students had problems with the term broken science. And I even got up at the start and I said, I'm not here to tell you science is broken. Science isn't broken, but there's a lot of broken science. A lot of it. And I named the specific fields and where you'd find it. It's found at the university, found in the social sciences, found in medicine. Yeah, I was at your house one time when Seyfried was speaking in the kitchen

and there was an oncologist there that flipped out. I mean, flipped out. Flipped out. Absolutely flipped out. On Facebook. Not in my kitchen. Right, you're right. Afterwards yeah he was gracious uh a good guest fun even you know so so basically listening to seafreed he finds out that 12 years of his

education is is is misled he he how does an oncologist process that how does someone see that the the the only 11 of the 54 seminal studies in cancer are are real are valid but you've been going to school it was 12 12 years it was it was pre-clinical science in oncology and hematology on which rcts in in uh chemotherapeutics cancer chem chemotherapeutics, had been based and failed. Think of that. Think of having a cancer under which you crossed your fingers and enrolled in a clinical trial where it turned out there was actually no hope of anything ever working.

Yeah, I wonder how people process that. I guess that's why you become violent, verbally. Yeah, it's rough. It's too hard to process. Everything you know is wrong. Yeah, it's not a good situation. Christine Young, my sister had breast cancer, and I was told to stop getting mammograms i get ultrasounds instead

judy reed i'm 48 uh i've had only one mammogram i didn't like getting my boob smashed um so i keep putting it off we wouldn't make a good couple if you don't like getting your boob smashed judy um uh allison i see you're welcome i turned 40 last year and went all in on researching because mammo just fell off and wrong to me uh cornholio 58 never had a colonoscopy and not getting one i had i had that's where the guy puts his finger in your butt i had that did not like that at all that's not a colon colonoscopy. Oh, that's not okay.

No. You know, we're going to have a, we're going to, there's a, there's a little bit of a, kind of a Dr. Drew and. Adam. Adam, my buddy Adam. Came with you and I. Good. I hope, I hope we're one.

Colonoscopy is not when you get a finger up your butt it's not it's they shut 40 feet of tube or something that's the camera yeah and it was one of them then i haven't had that uh allison judy does it hurt my mom said it's no fun um she doesn't do them often anymore either i wonder does your mom have giant boobs too allison those are those hereditary let's see um there's someone down here who oh i'm so far behind i apologize uh greg for president hi guys natalie bates oh natalie what's up girl yeah just how are you guys i get to meet Natalie at Broken Science for the first time in Arizona. Going back a little bit, Mr. Sosa.

Sorry, just started watching this and rewind to the beginning. I went to the engineering school with a lot of professors that graduated from West Point, and they always used chalk, never dry erase. Fair enough. Logan Mars. Okay, never dry erase. Fair enough. Logan Mars. Okay, here we go. If you want a scientific education, is a strategy to find old texts on the fields? Is there a window of time to buy old texts from

to ensure large efficacy? Also thoughts on Richard Feynman. Thank you, Logan. Logan, that's a great question and uh if i can save you'll jump in on that yeah please that's all you that's a he did sure as fuck yeah um i can't say enough good things about et jane's uh book let me grab this uh book let me grab this probability theory the logic of science i think it's the most important thing written on science in uh uh in a long, long time.

Is there a cheap version? My God, it's expensive. Yeah, we may have caused some of that. Five-star review. It's really, really an important work. And it's not all his, but he developed this material via lectures over a 35, 40-year distinguished career as a professor of physics.

probability theory that's a logical extension of basics of probability and some Boolean algebra and some work by Cox and some contributions from Claude Shannon, but it's a very, very powerful methodology. You can read on it and jump to the kind of the end point and look at max entropy and research that. But probability theory as the logic of science, it gives a bedrock for science that speaks exactly to the things that we're talking about in the Broken Science Initiative and in my broken science work. What kind of background do you need to consume this book? Is it heavy? Is it like you got to read the thing five times a hundred times yes it's dense like that yes is this guy hated is he part of the uh is this guy hated

we've met physicists whose introduction to him was uh it was like back channels you know mimeograph pages passed around by graduate students. So it was certainly a subcurrent, but it's there no longer. Bayesian-like methods and the methods of maximum entropy have proven fruitful in genetics, in molecular Louis, is in the radiology department, and they've actually built software using these methods of maximum entropy and the probability theory. They've written software that can pass radiology exams, state boards in radiology, a thing that can read MRIs or ultrasounds at a phenomenal rate with tremendous accuracy. It's interesting, but it's a very fruitful approach. But the significance of it is that it speaks so clearly to what science is, where validation comes from, and there's a dispute in probability that finds resolution in Jane's work, and it has implications for all of science.

So you're saying that if you can consume that book and own that book um upstairs it gives you the tools to call bullshit on your stuff i'm gonna tell you if if is interested in logan is on these things and if you're and if you really want scientific insights rather than than feyman what i would do would be to recommend going through probability theory, the logic of science. And no matter what your talents are, there's a lot of material in there that is readily digestible. There's fewer equations in this than any book in mathematics ever. For a complete understanding, there's some advanced math requirements but um i know uh emily my partner at broken science she's in love with chapter 16 i think it is and it's almost entirely

um historical but uh and we need to get her back on i spoke to her the other day and she was talking to me about stuff that she's got a great grasp to. We've both learned a lot over the past couple of years. Yeah, she's she's impressive. It's been nice to see. I found I found Jane's work by being a fan of David Stove's work. And I'd read David Stove's three books that are just one book, The Pauper and After. He's Australian philosopher. And then I read his first book, which was Hume's Inductive Skepticism.

And then the last book, The Rationality of Induction. And when I was done with them, and I took several readings of each of those books, but when I was done, I was supremely influenced. And by the way, for full disclaimer, the Broken Science Initiative now owns the rights to that book. We picked it up. Oh, no shit. Yeah, it was becoming increasingly expensive and harder and harder to get. And it's better than that. It needs to be, it needs to be read. And so we're going to make it available for free

and then print something up that's a little better quality publication and offer it kind of at a breakeven price. But when I was done with Stove, I was convinced that he was right, that induction was rational. Clearly so. You'd be mentally ill not to think so. That I didn't have a lot of trouble with. And I also believe that science found its grounding, its basis, its logic in probability theory. I understood that. That seemed likely.

But I said to myself that it couldn't be true unless it were the case that if I then went over to the probability theory side of the world, to the math side of the universe, and dug in, I should be able to find someone in probability theory who understands what David Stove is saying about the grounding of science. And I ordered, this is what, two and a half, three years ago, I went to Google Scholar and I got the common texts used in probability theory around the world

and ordered them all. One of them, probability theory, the logic of science by the title itself sounded right. And I got my hands on it and it was exactly right i found a prominent physicist uh of immense learning had been on the same journey and i've spent now two years with this book and i am getting a little better with it every passing week. What's the book again, Greg? Probability Theory, The Logic of Science. Right. Okay. And what I've also done is made friends of people that were similarly impacted by this work. And that's not hard to do.

Yeah, and you have done that. You have your own book club. I've never heard you use that word, but I'll use it here. You have your own, and you've always been interested in that since I've known you, about surrounding yourself with people who are interested in the same topics as you so you can talk about that stuff. That's basically what you're saying, right? You've curated friends who are interested in pregnant lions, right?

Because you're interested in pregnant lions right because you're interested in pregnant lions read the reviews on probability theory at amazon and and marvel at the the uh you ever found contacts through that by the way i like hunted someone down you heard their review and you hunted them down yeah okay sorry we'll come back to that okay sorry go back you read the reviews one of the reviews of jane's work is written by a guy at duke university who testified for harry mcdougall in a supreme court case wow yeah i was saying that this is the best thing ever written on science. Don't worry. At some point, we'll talk about Harry McDougal. Everyone remember that name.

That'll be another show. We'll talk about the great Harry McDougal, friend of Greg's. For sure. Harry and Dan, brothers McDougal. Yeah. Harry's brother. But look at those reviews. There's only 1166 reviews and if the average review is even close to correct why aren't there thousands of reviews so it's a fascinating thing but what we have seen over the course of time i'll start with navy gymnastics and tumbling you could get a used copy of that thing for five or six bucks and we put it on crossfit.com and they said you know it's like 300 fucking dollars for one right yeah yeah well the trademark the copyright had lapsed it was in the public domain uh and so we sent we purchased one last really good mint copy and sent it off to have

it dissected and photocopied and put it up as a pdf for the whole world to have and uh what's the name of that book again what's the name of that book again navy gymnastics and tumbling i remember that it's so freaking good maybe gymnastics and tumbling yeah it's available as a pdf from crossfit.com unless they took it off for some reason i found it's the second link i just found uh yeah there it is wow wow it's taking forever to load wow crazy hey when you sold the company that this is this is just minutiae talk but this is um this is one of the things they get too? No, nobody got inside. Oh, you set it free? Yeah.

Crazy. Yep. That's in the public domain. I've just provided the PDF. You aren't good, too, by the way. Wait, wait. So explain this to me again. So you're saying this is in the public domain.

So what did CrossFit do? Oh, it oh it bought okay we bought one of the $400 copies that hadn't been smudged up okay it got sacrificed they took the razor blade to it removed the binding and then expensive high res searchable pdf

of the thing shit so someone could print this and sell them. That's what public domain means? Yeah, right. Do anything you want with it. How did you find this book? Did I lose you? Yeah, I'm at a loss.

I have no idea. Oh. you were getting a little choppy there too i think maybe something's up with your internet oh hey what about fineman richard fineman you're being careful yeah um he didn't he he came to the office and spoke didn't he didn't you bring him no no my father had had interaction with him um at hughes aircraft company in fact if you look at the history of hughes aircraft company you see the feinman connection and gelman and some others but uh uh But I'm in no position to Say anything other than Clearly a brilliant physicist

He got a Nobel Prize, right? Albert Einstein Award Nobel Laureate Is he okay? Who was the Feynman that you brought around? There who was the fineman that you brought around there was a fineman that you brought around uh different one yeah okay was his name richard also yeah this that that guy is a molecular biologist and maybe and maybe uh endocrinologist okay good so i'm not going crazy there was there was another different fireman

no this fireman here's here's the here i the best story i've heard about fireman here we go and i i don't even think i should tell who told it but it's it's uh someone someone known to us in the uh in the in the science of science community um apologized for telling a Feynman story. And he says, but I'm going to do it anyways. And the question was, well, what's a Feynman story? And a Feynman story is when I tell a story that makes it sound like everyone in the room is a fucking idiot except for me.

And he says says those are those are richard feinman stories and uh i know a lot of people who think that's really funny so there i said something nasty i didn't want to well hey it's it's i people who are uh who are really smart it's okay if they got a little bit of know-it-all in them yeah i i would i would take a pass on reading feinman's Red Book or the Blue Book or whatever that is, long forgotten. But I would jump into E.T. Jane's probability theory and do whatever I could to make myself acquainted

with the probability theory of Laplace. probability theory of Laplace. This gets right into the origins of how the meaning of probability, interpretations of probability. There's a debate that's been going on forever in the origins of foundations of statistics. And a lot of this resolves favorably with Jane's work. And it would be worth whatever kind of chew it took to get there. That being said, and Emily probably clawing at the wall with fingernails right now,

but we're going to develop some material to entree to this, realizing what a tough chew it is. Oh, good. I love hearing that. Yeah, it's got to be done. They got a lot of things up their sleeve we got to get emily back on so she can talk about that uh mickey d would a robert f kennedy get your vote greg hey greg which one his dad is who is his dad bobby kennedy that was shot at the ambassador hotel senator kennedy was killed okay the senator jf. JFK is Attorney General, kid brother.

Would you vote for him? Yes. You like him? Yeah, I'm biased. He's been very nice to me. You know him? Yeah, we had interaction on the sugar front. Okay. And he reached out and complimented me on my standing up to Big Sugar and the CDC.

You have a problem with old guys running for president? This guy's not too old. He's only 69. Do you have a thing? Do you have an issue with – is there an age? You would set an age limit? Maybe not legally, but for yourself, like, Hey dude, you're 76 chill. No, it's, it's easier than that. If you were, if you were 45 and senile, I think you're too old.

Okay. If you're lucid and showing exquisite leadership, we've got to lean forward and listen carefully to what you're saying because your voice is frail. I'm still good with it. I'm concerned about who your VP is. But I've got senile being backed by stupid is our current setup. Speaking of stupid, I do want to show you some video

I have of the submersible. Dylan Dykes, I want to be a boob expert. Heidi Krum, boob novice. Not cool, but I'm open to more studies. I'm always open to further study. Ethan Henning, off topic. There's nothing off topic. What are you talking about, Ethan?

Off topic, I heard on a previous podcast, cancer being a metabolic disease. I agree, but got hung up the other day on childhood cancer. Oh, good. Good. Great question. Thoughts on this? Yeah, that's an important consideration. I would start with Travis Christopherson's Tripping Over the Truth.

And I would read that. I would read that very, very quickly. And then I would jump into cancer as a metabolic disease by Thomas Seyfried. And that I would take very, very slowly. And you're going to spend a lot of time looking words up, but conceptually it's just, it's just not that tough a chew. It's workable. It's workable. a whole lot of us have and i think especially chapter 11 on metastasis is a would be my if i were to pull a chapter and give it away oh look at this even look at even when i look that book up uh look what it recommends cancer as a metabolic disease down here but uh but this book by the way is so good this is not just uh this tripping over the

truth isn't the like everyone should just read this like this is um guys throw it in there with a grisham novel or something i don't know this this this tripping over the truth is it just a fun good book everyone should read this book i'm telling, this is a fun book, Tripping Over the Truth. Okay, go ahead, Greg. This is Cancer as a Metabolic Disease and CrossFit. We had it translated into Chinese. No shit. Yeah. Tell me your thoughts on that.

Why did you do that? You wanted to infect the Chinese with this thought? I don't know. I mean, look what we have. We've got something really important. What inspired that, Greg? You took this – what? Yeah.

I vaguely remember that now. Yep. You took this book. Who owns this book? Can you do that legally? Can you translate something? Is that available? Is that available on Amazon, the Chinese version?

I don't know. How many of those were printed? I don't remember the story. I don't remember the story. I remember thinking it should be done and doing it through Leong and CrossFit funded it. And we sent it out to affiliates. We were all having the discussion about the book. I was putting stuff about it on the web, on the reg,

having Seyfried around regularly, right? Having debates with people on our own web property, on our own fucking front page about it. There's some pretty nasty exchanges in 2019, 2020 on this very subject on Seyfried. Basically what this guy is saying right here, I know you know this, but for the audience is if it's a metabolic disease and it takes years of eating sugar in order to corrupt the mitochondria, how do kids get cancer? And I guess you could say there's different kinds of cancer. You could say it's passed down from parents.

But it is a valid question, right? How would a kid get cancer if he's – and some of these kids aren't obese. Correct. Correct. Stephen Flores, what are Greg's thoughts on BlackRock and O'Keefe? He probably hasn't seen that. They outed the BlackRock guy that was saying we rule the world, right?

Oh, you did see it. My bad. Yeah. My thoughts on that this morning. yeah um my thoughts on that this morning i got emily's hitting me up here with all the mammo mamography information she's a good dude are you burying yourself in it i mean look you here's my challenge you investigate it look at what goes she's put together look at the numbers and you're going to come to the same conclusions. That was a great experiment done in Portugal

with mammography. But what am I looking for here? Oh, James O'Keefe. James O'Keefe, breaking news. BlackRock Recruiter. How do you know this stuff, Greg? I didn't even think you'd go here. BlackRock Recruiter, who decides people's fate,

spills info on companies' impact on the world. It's not the president who's controlling the wallet of the president. You got 10K, you can buy a senator. War is a fucking good – war is really fucking good for business. I was sent that last night at 10.54 p.m. And this morning at 6.54pm and this morning at 6.43 I responded sounds like the truth Eisenhower's farewell

address comes to mind and I have even clicked on it I added and I can see just in the graphic here for that this is the realization of what Dwight Eisenhower on his way out the door warned us of

and what was he saying? It was basically, it's always held up to, that question's usually answered as warnings of the industrial military complex, but fundamentally he was concerned with government in league with industry on any front. with government in league with industry on any front that what would happen is that in short order the government aspect of it would be handmaiden to the industrial side this is what i found with a quick search um and it sounds like you described it perfectly and the councils of government we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought or unsought by the military industrial complex the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist and the and the

focus on industrial military is is overwrought in the summaries of that if you actually listen to the thing, it was across all spheres. Did you... I'll give you another one. I'll give you one. It's FDA and pharma. Right. Big problem.

Natalie Bates, so you must really think highly of someone like gates playing scientist yeah and that that's poking the bear she knows exactly what i think of mr gates and his uh his playing control did did someone tell me he admitted that he might have messed up on the covet thing yeah i just posted something about that on my Instagram now we know it really just hurts old people do Greg and Seve have the same chair Greg ordered too many and I went to his house one day

and he pointed a giant box in his garage and he goes, you can have that. I didn't even ask what's in it. Okay. Like a little rat and cheese. I grabbed it and threw it in my car and came home and opened it and I got a badass chair. Let me tell you something. It's the X chair and it's a great chair. It's the only chair to have.

And I. By the way, you sounded like Trump right there. Take that as a compliment. You're like, it's a great chair. It's the only chair. It's a great chair. And in full disclosure, I think we're sponsored. So I bought one and it came and the upholstery was ripped. Mine's ripped? nope so i called them and they apologized profusely and we made arrangements to put the the one back in its box and they were going to come get it and deliver another one so they came and got it and delivered another one and i put it out at work told them thank you and then i got

another one and then another one they kept coming and i got tired of sending them back. So I was like, fuck it. I'm like, I'm not going to, this isn't my new part-time job, sending back X chairs, you know? And so I gave Seve one, a few people got them. I was, I was, I was happy, happy to collect. It's like Monopoly on the bank air. Steven Flores quoting me. I think this is a direct quote. I've never had a colonoscopy, but I've had a finger in my ass. Fair enough. I'll own

it. I'll take it. Okay. There's something, a video. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Heidi Kroom. How can I join Greg's book club? I can become a pregnant lion if needed. Heidi, I'll uh uh heidi i i'll um i'll put you in touch with greg i'll put you in touch with greg he needs someone this this this woman has the greatest sense of humor greg it's crazy um okay uh let me see i want to bring up if there's no more questions down in here um

uh and hq can't even afford to translate anything but here's greg translating a random book he believes is important i love it yeah i was saying the whole the whole crossfit community is talking about this book and i've got 30 something affiliates in china that they're like we don't get it you know so uh we had uh, we had it done. It wasn't expensive. Uh, this is, this is, is crazy and funny as this, this comment is, Sevan's therapist, what if cancer was all fake and chemo is what kills you? I do remember seeing during, uh, when, when Seyfried was around a lot, I do remember seeing studies that actually showed that it's the possibility.

It's not the chemo that was actually saving the people's lives, but it was the fact that the people weren't eating. There were some studies that were done in conjunction with fasting and chemo and the fact that it was taking away people's appetites that may be saving them, not the chemo. I thought that was fucking a trip. Do you remember that? I do indeed. And the urologist that inspired Longo to test fasting prior to chemo and fasting alone and chemo alone and compare the results and tripping over the truth. That'd be a great start. Great entree to all of this. Yeah, it's fantastic.

And there is a, there is a portion in the book now that, about kids who get cancer and they are chimney cleaners. Right? That's in that book, Greg, the boys. Yeah. So there is a section in there with kids getting cancer. I'm telling you the book is good. Like even if you don't't care about cancer you think it's going to be more it's not like

that at all it's like an enjoyable it's an it's it's an enjoyable book right it's a fun book it's like it's a good read it's not a um it's not a textbook uh i i like that you know there's people that don't even give a fuck about cancer i don't want to learn anything about it and you can deal with them. And I, I've got to somehow convince people that P values or something you need to learn something about. Um, you guys have heard me ad nauseum about this.

I'll, I'll, I'll bomb Greg with this and you can throw him in the pile of crazies or not. If you want, I'm curious to hear Greg's answer on this too. A backwards arrow, modern fitness.

Hi, Greg. Seven. You've had some great guests for social and medical issues lately. What do you guys think about all the, you want i'm curious to hear greg's answer on this too a backwards arrow modern fitness hi greg seven you've had some great guests for social and medical issues lately what do you guys think about all the uh injections that they require for kids um call them the 49ers injections here on the show as code word i have a son on the way and i'm trying to figure out what to do in this area i just want to say two things before greg says uh anything read the book dissolving illusions dissolving illusions and read uh the moth and the iron lung and then and then just do some simple research if you do like 15 to minutes to an hour worth of research you will start uncovering some interesting things

okay injections for kids not at birth i've got nine kids and the list of recommended vaccinations has grown, what, three, four, five fold in the space of Blake, who's 33. And my youngest, who's three years old, the list has gotten huge. But my children have been vaccinated inversely proportionate to their birth order. So my youngest is our least vaccinated. I think they're asking would you would would you do you recommend it yeah i'm i'm saying i've got i've got reservations okay huge reservations

the covid one hell no and now i know that the industry and our government will tell us any kind of lie they can to sell us vaccines. And so I feel I owe it to myself to go back and look at the rest of it now. My dad died of cancer earlier this year. The medical system is an absolute joke and definitely led him in the wrong direction of treatment. Jessica Valenzuelauela i watched my mom go through chemo when she had cancer and seeing her go through that you would think she was on death's door now she's got to have monthly blood infusions as a result uh sleaky back arrow modern fitness don't do it go listen to the joe rogan rfk podcast and then start doing your own research

there was this i saw this meme the other day, would you, would you believe a doctors who were educated by pharma or would you believe a mom who just gave birth to the most precious and valuable thing that she'll ever guard in her life when it comes to getting those injections? And it's like, you got to think very carefully about that statement. Do you want, do you want to believe the moms who are doing the research to protect their kids, or do you want to believe the doctors who are programmed by pharma? I'm not saying that definitively one is right or wrong, but definitely look into it. The people doing the investigating aren't stupid.

They're not emotional. They want to protect their kids. Robbie Myers. Oh, oh sorry that's what my nephew did he had an inoperable brain tumor ate keto and starved the cancer and it abated but eventually came back and took his life sorry to hear that

I would wonder Robbie if he the tumor went away and then he went back to his normal eating that's what i was guessing too i'd be curious to know may or may not have uh greg how do you feel about the theory from chris palmer i've heard greg talk about this by the way not chris palmer but greg's own thoughts on this i wonder if he'll share them here uh about mental health as a metabolic disease yeah um dr michael norton right uh beyond prozac came out in january of 95 i think and he was a professor of psychiatry at UCLA. And he proposed a prostaglandin origin for a list of mental illnesses.

It was two pages long in the first chapter of the book. And that one. And 96, okay. Hey, the first time I went to your house in prescott in 2008 or whatever you had like a hundred books on your kitchen table in front of a a glass board and i remember seeing that book just as one of the books yeah he says that the uh most effective treatment for this and it's a it's it's a crazy list of shit I mean it's kind of fun to just look this stuff up

and thank god you don't have that but the list of of maladies if there's an intro in that book on Amazon there you might get to page 8 or 9 or 10 where the list is but he says the most effective treatment to date has been

the zoned diet as developed by Dr. Barry Sears. And that is indeed proposing a metabolic origin through prostaglandins of its omega-6 fatty acid metabolism flow chart, page 123 of the zone book, the first zone book. And you see how the prostaglandins, the eicosanoids are controlled by

omega-6 fatty acid metabolism and the role of the omega-3s in shunting the production of eicosanoids and blah, blah, blah. But anyways, those prostaglandins play a critical role in mental health so yeah i think i'm bought in on that one uh uh savans therapist have you been hit with uh a flag on this video yet i just checked for you yes uh this this video has already been flagged by youtube i will request a review even though it's not done crazy i know it's crazy every show claw warning tinfoil warning incoming tinfoil hat theory they've been pushing more and more vaccines on us to prepare us for a program of true manipulation by mrna vaccines um uh robbie myers to answer your question greg somewhat he went back to his diet they used to eat

like trash and the family still does Eric I've seen I'm rushing through these because we're running out of time here but don't worry Greg I think I've got Greg on the hook now let me ask you this Greg before we go you've been

you are critical is not the right word. Finicky? Finicky might not be the right word. I'll go with finicky. You've been finicky. You hold which platforms that you present your work and yourself on to a specific standard. I want to say high standard, but let's not be biased. Specific standard, and now you've come on – you started doing podcasts and for some reason you're only doing this podcast. Do you like this platform? Do you like this? I know we're friends, so there's that weird component. And then it's a podcast, so it's live and that there's comments flying in from the side. What do you think about this medium to interact on with the world after, you know, chilling for a couple of years and only interacting with people in person for the last couple of years?

I'm enjoying myself. One of the things I like best that we did at CrossFit, and it was near the end with the Zoom calls. You know, I went, there was several years where I hoped that I could eventually meet every affiliate. Then it became abundantly clear that that wasn't going to be possible, that it wasn't just going to happen after meeting a new affiliate several a day. And then we start with the Zoom calls and it became conceivable again, at least through a Zoom call, I could have the experience of speaking with everyone and so i i really enjoy that and i'm a i'm a social person um but uh i i i never find myself looking at interaction on instagram or facebook uh and listen to podcasts and wish i were there. You don't wish you were? No, it doesn't happen to you often.

Right, right, right. Gee whiz, you know? You are social, but you're also, you also like your own time. You have no issue being by yourself at all. You spend a lot of time by yourself, more than most people I know. But you are very social too.

It's interesting. I'm a... You like a quiet house i'm immersed in study yeah and i'm it's 66 years old i'm learning more at a faster rate than i ever have before and it's the the desire at this point is pure you know there's no there's no other end point other than just learning this material um when i had glenn begley first on the phone before he came out from australia and that's the begley ellis the guy from amgen director of research that found out that the uh was able to demonstrate that only 11 percent of uh sorry six percent of of chemotherapeutic or pre-clinical science would replicate. I told him that I have an inordinate affinity for this science that doesn't work.

The corruption, both epistemically and the corruption financially. corruption, both epistemically and the corruption financially. The thing we went through with the NSCA was fascinating to me, enjoyable to me. I enjoyed the learning. I liked what I learned about scientific misconduct. I liked that we got to hire as expert the world's foremost authority on bioethics, my friend Javi Moram. And all of that was so fun. And I had Glenn on the phone and I said, it's like science porn or something. Like there's something wrong with me that I like this. And he laughed and said that if there is something wrong with me,

he has it wrong with him too. And so there's a cadre of people that are keenly interested in bad science, and I'm one of them. And I feel I may owe something. There wouldn't be a CrossFit if it weren't for my willingness and the training I had to say, hey, why don't we start measuring something? Why don't we define if fitness is really important, why don't we define it? And as long as we're defining it, let's do it in a, in a manner that we can derive some data that we can do

something with. And, and that hadn't been done in academia for reasons that I now understand well. And this is the problem. It's the same problem that we have in healthcare. And it's the same thing that's corrupted our public health so that we're doing stupid things like shutting down schools to stop a disease that's running through nursing homes where people have a three-month life expectancy. No more

questions. I have to go. I'm going to this gate park. Do you think there was a darker purpose behind people calling for Greg selling the company because you were going after corporate healthcare systems? All right. Guys, thank you. We will be back. i think i have greg on the hook um every week i we didn't even get to talk about the sub i greg was saying some funny shit to me about the sub

yesterday probably maybe it's good we didn't talk about it because it is it is he does acknowledge it's a tragedy so i don't want to say it was all humor but we were tripping on the sub um i got a whole list of things we didn't get to Greg you'll be back on next week I'll be back on you can ask me if I mourn the passing of the people on the sub

love you guys love everyone talk to you guys soon buh-bye