The Sevan Podcast - James Fitzgerald | The Return of OPT - Critical Thinking

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

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Did you paint it? I think I watched one with you from a year ago. Oh, yeah. I moved. I'm at home. I want to start the show. James, good morning hi hi uh last when people come on my show um my intention is to just have intimate conversation and and make people feel

like hey they came to my house and they had a good time and last time you were on the show i thought um it got squirrely towards the end and i want to apologize but I want it to be something more sincere than an apology, but I don't know exactly how to do it. But, but I, that, that wasn't my intention for the show ever to get squirrely or ever pay got you with you. And I just wanted, you know,

like today I brought you on cause I consider you someone significant who I had interaction with in my life. And I just wanted to catch up with, and usually there's some intention to have someone on never nefarious never but i was just like shit i gotta reach out to james and see what james is up to and bring him on and i think the people would like to hear us talk so i appreciate you and you didn't bring it up at all in the text i reached out to you i'm like yo james can you come on you're like yeah brother let's do it and here you are so i appreciate the um it makes me feel like i didn't break trust with you or at least you're giving me another chance. So I appreciate it. I appreciate it. And I'm making presuppositions that somehow I did offend you.

I don't even know. You never told me that I did or didn't, but, but I didn't like the way it got weird. You know, afterwards some clips were taken from the show and I know it wasn't like nice. Oh, right. Yeah. So until you just mentioned that, I don't, I don't, I didn't remember. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. So until you just mentioned that, I don't, I didn't remember. Perfect. Okay. Perfect. It just goes to show how important it was really not. I love you. I love you. Hey, well, so, so where are you? I'm at my home.

In, in, in what, in what state, what country? Scottsdale, Arizona. Okay. And that's, that's the winter home. No, that's full-time home. Oh, you're not doing Idaho anymore? Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry. For two months of the year when the girls are out of school. Hey, it's interesting you describe it like that, James.

I just assumed you did it to get away from the heat because Scottsdale is crazy, right? I just assumed you did it to get away from the heat because Scottsdale is crazy, right? Oh, that too. But if it wasn't just that, I probably would be there for four or five months. So it is really – I mean we're here because they're in school. Is the heat tolerable to you at all in Scottsdale? Let's say you did live there in the summer. Would you go outside or is it just completely uninhabitable? Yeah, I guess everyone responds differently to it, but yeah, it really is uncomfortable. I think that I could provide the opposite side of it as a better understanding that backs up what I say when I say things like it's just unbearable.

I lived in Canada for so many years in the northern part of Canada. And so I recognize the, quote unquote, unbearableness of the cold, which is, it's really not livable, right? I mean, there are modern technologies that allow us to do it, but it's the same kind of thing for the heat here. So yeah, you live in AC, you go from AC in the home to AC in your vehicle, to AC in the office, to AC AC to a mall to AC to a public area. They try to pump AC indirectly outside. That's considered unlivable, unbearable. I never thought of it like that, but when you do compare it to the cold, it is significantly better because in, let's say you didn't have shelter,

worst case scenario, you could just pull up under a tree and for those three months a year you become nocturnal right so you sit under a tree from 7 a.m to 7 p.m and just in just fine shade and you sit perfectly still but you could not do that in in certain in certain parts of canada uh six months of the year you would just die like that so so to you well there't that happen? Well, there were populations across time that were capable of surviving. I mean, there's still cultures and groups that are on the East Coast in Canada and in Alaska. And I'm not sure what the proper terminology is for classification for those individuals today. Inuit, I'm not sure if Eskimo is still approved as a... I have no idea.

Whatever the case, they actually did, you know, were capable of doing it. Just like the Native American tribes that are well known in northern Arizona and the southern portion of the country, they were capable of handling somewhat similar heats. So, but I think to your point, they really did like build specific homes. Right. Protected them from the environment, but they really shut it down for three months. It was like it was nothing. Or they possibly did some nighttime stuff or very early morning and only late day kind of things. Are you still involved heavily? Are you involved in the day-to-day operations of OPEX? Not really.

No. Are you retired, James? Pretty much. Yep. Tell me. Can I hear a typical day? What's a normal day for you? Yeah. I actually thought about this. So this is pre-thought. This is not coming. I just want to give everyone a heads up. I was like, what am I going to tell them about a typical day, but it shows you a number of things in there of me just pre-thinking about this. I wake up and have breakfast. I make my family breakfast I make my family breakfast then because my girls get up around six-ish or just after, and I'm up around five.

So I make everyone breakfast, and then they leave around seven-h. My oldest daughter drives to school. Whoa, so Hannah, yeah, believe it or not. Wow. I can see just by the look on your face shows you how just how much time has passed for our conversations. Because you were there at the initial hand before Chloe. I mean, Hannah, I can just remember you guys watching her run around in her rubber boots outside of OPT in Calgary. And there was no such thing as Chloe. So anyways, Hannah takes Chloe to school or drives her to school at seven-ish. our drives are to school at seven ish um and then i pretty much uh read uh quite a bit for probably a number of hours on most days um i generally then uh walk for probably an hour or so uh mid-am and listen uh to things and learn um Um, I do some kind of, uh, physical activity generally then, uh,

you know, towards the middle portion or the end of the morning, um, sit down and have something to eat, uh, mid afternoon, probably more reading or, um, yeah, or just learning of some sort. um yeah or just learning of some sort uh then i have a kind of a timeline around two middle afternoon two ish i have to go and get chloe and pick her up because hannah comes home a little earlier um and i pick her up and come back home and then we kind of you know prepare for the rest of the day whether they have like evening activities uh which you have to kind of you know prep meals and have them ready for or take them somewhere quote unquote either for a sporting situation or really it's Chloe at the time because Hannah's driving herself but um and then I make supper for uh the

family um which generally starts around you know or start preparation around four-ish a little bit after um and then it seems after that it's uh walk Lily our little dog. My wife and I spend that time at least together most times every day to chat during the time we're walking Lily. And then evening time, if there's some activities, you know, I'm taking Chloe right now to either soccer or just doing the odd thing. And then we kind of shut it down around after seven ish. Um, and Leanne and I generally just sit down while those two are getting ready for bed. Just after eight, uh, Leanne and I, uh, just sit down on the couch and watch something, uh,

useless. Um, what is useless? what is useless tell me useless tell me oh um gosh uh what are what do we want like like you'd watch yellowstone you'd watch like a series like that listen i don't want to put us in the camps of what is useless and what is not okay um but yeah i well actually i did watch yellow knife and all the other subsequent no yellow stone right yellow stone sorry yeah yeah it's okay it's my subconscious canadian talk of earlier of the inuit that uh brought that back um yeah no so i give you an example i think more recently we're watching a netflix show five shows on midwives

oh it's not the documentary the fiction stuff yeah yeah that shit's scary i think my wife watched that one that one's scary uh it's scary right it's like yeah no it's set uh it's set back in um oh maybe i don't know you know which one I'm confusing it with I'm confusing it with the one where they just use women to breed and they pass women around bridesmaids I couldn't my wife tried to sit me down and watch that I watched 30 minutes and I'm like I can't do that oh okay scared the shit

out of me or like the handmaid's tale yeah yeah that thing that we watch that too you know so I guess you know I'll back up maybe some of it's not useless but I it's not stuff that you know so i guess you know i'll back up maybe some of it's not useless but i it's not stuff that you know we're really it's pretty much just to shut the brain down prior to going to sleep so yeah that describes the day right there so you're just reading a ton yeah yeah i'm reading is this a phase of your life you're gonna die doing this just the next 30 years just 40 years just be reading like a maniac yeah quite possibly you know i uh i don't have uh um i guess general i mean i'm 50.

i just turned 50 years of age um and uh i probably know too much with regards to like with regards to like physical entropy and, and, uh, you know, a full life, you know? Um, so yeah, it's, I guess it's kind of quote unquote normal, uh, for, for someone like myself who did a lot of physical stuff for the first 40 years of my life. Yeah. Uh, arguably too physical, but I did a lot of physical stuff. And so I guess I just I'm just on the back end of, you know, the physicality. There's no more improvements in physicality, and I'm just hanging on. So what else is there to do but challenge cognitive function and those things after the physicality has been prominent. So I guess it kind of makes sense.

Let's say you start a book and you're 20% through it and you're like, I don't want to finish this. Do you still finish it? Man, that's – are you asking that question? Cause you have personal experience with that. Uh, yeah, I, I do. I, I, but then I was also going to tie into working out. I was like, I was going to actually be like, Hey, do you remember being a kid and being 20% through a workout? So I was going to kind of just kind of put the two together.

Okay. Sorry. Well, bring up that question. The second portion of the question after I answer this, but the reason why I asked you is because I thought I was, you know, alone out there of the individuals that would do that. But I, um, I've had enough experience. This is just my own personal experience. I've had enough experience where, when that thing comes up, where I'm like, you know, into the reading, quote unquote, and I'm just really struggling, whether it's not like digging in or it doesn't, it's not confirming

thoughts for me, or it's not validating something that I know or et cetera. I've learned over time to actually keep going and to stay more focused because of the experiences that I've had of, let's see if I can try to remember. Well, you know, what would support my point would be to, you know, I can just recall reading something again, like going back to it more recently and quote unquote finishing it. And really changing my perspective, you know, so remember what that was by any chance? OK, I think it was a biography of some sort. I think it was Charles de Gaulle. Charles de Gaulle.

The airport's named after him. A large writing on a French, a former French general that I basically got into the, I have a colleague and friend who works with the foundation of, foundation, I'm a member of Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism here in Arizona. here in Arizona and Michael is his name. And we have, we had some meetings in the back of meetings on the back of his wall during the meetings, he had Winston Churchill, Charles, the gall and, and someone up as posters. And I was like, gosh, I can't place who that other person is. Winston Churchill for most eyes is somewhat easily discernible amongst others, you know? Right, right, right. And he's like, oh, yeah. And then he's like, oh, you should get into it. And so, of course, I'm

curious and I have time to read. So I got this big volume and I got through it partially up in the summer, the summer up in Idaho, maybe two summers ago. And those things came up, right? Like, you know, there's something in here that's just not, you know, I found myself like, you know, birds flying by or whatever. And I just kind of gave up on it. And then more recently came back to it and I was just, you know, extremely beneficial that I did to learn, you know, just to give you a little bit of an insight to finish that up as to why I was important. And it led me into, ironically, reading about Napoleon and the differences in the revolutions of America and France in language, right? So Charles de Gaulle kind of just happened at a time, you know, war times. It's a very interesting time to kind of think about these things

that the French said, like liberty, equality, and fraternity. And so the fraternity aspect in which he spoke about really evoked an interest for myself in reading more about Napoleon. Now, as I say that, this is for those who are like, oh, you know, the movie just came out and that's why you're interested. Actually, no, my daughter, the tennis coach is from France and we just had a chat one day. And I, you know, and of course I brought in the Charles de Gaulle conversation. I had an Uber driver, you know, from in Miami who was from Algeria who took 15 minutes of his time. He was like, oh man, let me, let me tell you about our perspective of what happened and et cetera,

et cetera. Anyways, it led me into, because I finished the DeGaulle book, it led me into going through this huge volume of Napoleon by Andrew Roberts, uh, which was a great, just a fascinating insight into,

um, Napoleon, Napoleon. Yeah. You'd recommend that book a fascinating insight into Napoleon. Napoleon, yeah. You'd recommend that book, Andrew Roberts' Napoleon? Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely, yeah. And how about – so you do go back and finish. You're saying that basically there was a book, you didn't want to finish it, and you go back and you went back and finished it.

I was reading one on recently – oh not that's not true i was listening to one recently um on uh gang violence in from the 90s in uh down here um in salinas in california it's where it's uh the serenios and nortenos big big Mexican gangs. It's basically two Mexican gangs. One of them are the, the far represent like the farmers, the, the, the migrant farmers.

And one are like the people, the Mexicans who've been here for like, you know, already 50 years. Right. And, and, and their battles and stuff.

And about how the FBI was involved, the huge, huge crime shit anyway. And halfway through the book, they take two boys out for no two of these gang members meet two boys out in the field and slit their throat for no reason just to make a statement and and i stopped listening to the book i ended up going back to it like two weeks later but because for some reason when i read stuff like that i'm reading it about my boys

i don't know how that happens but i'm reading i'm reading and then the boys that got killed and the boys that did the killing all of a sudden somehow are my boys. And then I just, I have to take a break. I'm like, I can't do that. Yeah. I understand that. It's, it's, it's a trip. I never had issues like that before I had kids ever, ever, ever, ever. I could watch any violence or any bad shit. Now, all of a sudden, um, uh, Oh yeah. It's possibly, it's possible that uh we wouldn't you know in a

in another world and another savan we wouldn't want to project that um possible lack of reality onto our children right do you know i'm saying like no i don't know possible lack of reality or possible. That's what I preempted that by saying in another universe with another savant, right? Because I know how it would, you know, someone could take it personally just based upon the story that was just told, right? Yeah, yeah. So let me front end it. I completely understand. I said that.

And I also am very sympathetic to it because I have two young girls too. also I'm very sympathetic to it because I have two young girls too, but I asked the question in my mind, why don't I discontinue after I would think this, I would, I would watch the same thing. Like I've watched a number of different, you know, indirect forms of call it education or call it entertainment Hollywood around sexual privacy issue issues or the sex

slave right shit you know so so I could easily stop there so my point was that I would want to finish and completely get through to ensure that I have the deepest understandings of where all of it comes from. And I would, I would be hesitant to stop it in case I missed, for example, in your point, maybe there's something more after that,

that led to a better understanding. It doesn't disregard the fact that two kids got their throats slit. Right. But I sure as shit would not want to. And that's why I said in a different universe. Well, I also kind of get it too. You don't want it to go to waste.

That understanding on my girls. Right. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's all why I say it. That's all. I don't,

I don't understand this question, but I'll throw it up here anyway, since they paid a dollar 99. James, do you align with Peter at T on health span? I don's um i don't i don't understand this question but i'll throw it up here anyway since they paid a dollar 99 uh james uh do you align with peter ati on health span i don't i don't know uh i mean obviously i've heard of peter ati but i don't know i don't know what he says about lifespan does that mean anything to you that question yeah yeah for sure um uh well i can't i don't know i don't know enough on Peter's point to comment, but I probably don't align in a number of ways. The way that I probably wouldn't align is… What's his deal on what's his deal on health span? You know, well, it's very similar to,

um, what I guess the public's knowledge would be, um, what OPEX believes in for basic lifestyle guidelines. And that would be, you know, all these, uh, uh, the natural things that occur regardless of supplementation or the therapeutic paradigm, which will get you to this like maximal potential for life. Okay. So, and this is why I'm, I'm, I'm just going to take a crack at it saying for shits and giggles that I would probably disagree in some ways with, with, uh, with, uh, Peter's points's points, but we may still end up in the same bucket. But the intentions from where I come from for, quote unquote, like living a larger life is using the words based upon vitality and a person's potential. vitality and a person's potential. And that's the two, that's probably the biggest difference in my concepts of it and how I see Peter's concepts is that he is approaching it for good reason

based upon his training from a therapeutic perspective, right? So he's a doctor. he's a doctor. And, you know, regardless of what you what you think about Peter himself, the ideas that he has is going to come from a therapeutic paradigm. That means that a lot of the recommendations or proposed research or digging up on anything is not coming from 20 years of work. Like I may have had, and I'll just allow people to assume that they want, I may have had on working with people that actually gets them to a more vital perspective. So my argument is always,

you know, if you, if you have an issue and you want to, quote unquote, live longer, it's not to wrap medicine around it and research and say things like rapamycin is effective for this. And, you know, there are some ways to balance out Ozempic and look at all, you know, which I'm going to say that Peter may go down that route for good reason, because that's what his specialty is. But it still has a quote unquote medicinal therapeutic flavor. So as opposed to what as opposed to what lifestyle just practices, lifestyle practices. Yeah. Well, an awareness that there's no such thing as biohacking. An awareness that natural processes is the antidote to all of your shit. Right. Right. So. So the argument on that side would be like, well, James, you know, no one has time to to walk for 90 minutes. It's like that doesn't make your proposed like five minute zone to, you know, don't make you right.

What's that? Your excuses don't make you right. Yeah. With your excuses, but what peter would propose right yeah yeah admirable you know ideas right he's not saying like right you know just go out and take drugs and turn it into this world into a wally kind of atmosphere but i mean he can't make money. He can't, uh, you know, as I've always say, broccoli is not, it's commodifiable. Like you, you know,

fucking walking in the sun. There's no money to be made on that. Right. Right. Uh, lifting weights. Uh, there's no money to be made on that.

Right. Like just challenging yourself physically. Right. Walking barefoot really cuts into the shoe business. Hey, you walk barefoot. Not really. I mean, around the house. But you don't ever do your walk. You don't ever do your walk. I do just based on having grass, like real grass.

You ever go a whole day without wearing shoes, like just on accident? I don't mean that even consciously, just like, yeah, there was no need for shoes today. Yep. Yeah. In the summertime, more so as opposed to here. Yeah. Cause the heat and lawns here are in Arizona or rocks, you know? So that's it. You know, someone told me, James, it was, it was Jeremy Kinnick. I don't know if you remember him.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Jeremy posted on Instagram. If you're, I'm paraphrasing, but if your kid's under five and they're outside 80 of the time that's all you need to know about parenting and and i have three boys and like literally that's like that is gold like my if my boys are outside and and we don't put we we keep our shoes in the car not on purpose but because we would never put on shoes unless we needed them for an activity i'm in santa cruz california it's just always 70 so unless you're skateboarding or i don't know what unless you need shoe or tennis you um you don't wear shoes you don't wear um

but that that being outside is like uh kids will figure out all the movement shit and healthy shit and all that stuff if you just but you got they got to be outside they won't figure it out inside for some reason or the i don't know if it's a if there's some metaphysical something or another the energy bouncing off the walls but bad kids outside are good kids yeah um yeah most people will not go a whole day without wearing shoes that really puts you in a really rarefied air some people can't even you know some people i think the vast majority of americans probably think that that's even weird. Oh, for sure. For sure.

And that tells you a lot right there. Yeah, but I can't, probably just top of mind based upon a philosophical argument I had with a colleague of mine the other day on what some people would call this evolutionary mismatch

as to what's happening in modern times you just hit on it as an example um and my question back to you is you know uh based upon you on my agreeable your my agreeable points on walking outside, nature, kids, et cetera. But there's some issues with that. And this is what we discussed in philosophical debate, is how many young Americans, as an example, to take a geographical isolation of that, have the opportunity to do what you were just proposing your your kids can do right um first question second how many have the forethought to think it's actually a possibility that could lead to their kids resilience you know um you know mine was mine was by de facto just i'm just you know i'm just yeah i'm just floating out what a poor kid poor kids in warm climates have a great opportunity right like pork and

that's basically what i was i was i was my mom was making twelve thousand dollars a year working and i was and we were poor and we were outside my so my mom was at work so even though i was a fat kid who never played any sports and got picked after girls in high school when they pick teams i could fucking until this day i can throw a rock and hit anything because i was outside all day just throwing rocks skipping rocks hitting cars and so that it made me gave me some physical prowess listen we're both i'm assuming we're both gen x so we we have the same convicted perspective on that. Everywhere on BMX running.

Listen, I get it. The point I was saying is that, you know, and I think it's just because it comes up in my brain of just sitting here and armchairing, like, what would be the answer to fix that? I just keep thinking about, well, how do we evoke that in like 10 million more five-year-olds in america we brainwashed the public james i don't know if this is true but because i wasn't alive in 1950 but i heard in 1950 the u.s government did a massive campaign um and we saw it with smoking too actually in mine in your lifetime but the they did a massive anti-littering campaign i guess right before you and i were born i guess it used to be okay to litter and they fucking just

uh what's that call when you make people feel guilty they shame shamed thank you they shame people into littering just being completely uncivilized and inappropriate and littering stopped and then i guess the only thing i can think of that it happened in a positive way and in in our lifetime is smoking i mean do you remember when everyone used to smoke and they just shamed it they just shamed everyone if you were a smoker you became a closet i mean you probably were in a car as a kid and someone was smoking a cigarette you're in the back and the windows were up um no listen i you're just shame people and not put their kids outside listen this is i take it further you know my in a i i take on this role

of kim jong-un basically in a in a in a physical you know fitness universe my my like i really do believe that it doesn't mean it's going to take place, but that's where my brain goes is like, Oh, it's great that a few kids, cause really it's a few, we're talking like two out of a hundred are actually going to run around outside barefoot. Okay. Just, just so everyone's clear on effect size two in a hundred in America. Okay. So secondly, then my, my brain goes to like, so is it an incompetency or is it in their environment where they're going to

be born into a world where 98 out of a hundred of them are not going to see role models that are going to quote unquote, allow that to happen. And so that's why I take the next step of like, well, what's your answer to fix that shame sure for sure you know i'm part being tongue-in-cheek but but you could change education to education you're just being tongue in cheek by saying that i'm taking i'm saying i take the steps further by saying the only real

fix is an authoritarian perspective so it's more than just shame. It's not just social, like shaming because it'll always, people will always find an underground market to do smoking. As example, smoking is still persevered. Right. So how effective was that? But what happened if you like, I don't know, metaphorically, you know, punched people in the face every time they took a smoke, right. Or, you know, I'm just trying to come up with this we already scared we all already know it kills us and it's still that's not enough that's not a powerful that's basically why i in a you know in a in a mind just just thinking about things as to what would actually create a change um it's this real hard tension we have against modern freedoms and, you know, this

thing in the feeling in America that we don't want to have anyone telling us what to do. Right. But what happens if what we told you what to do was actually going to make you a better thinker right less uh less unhappy um you know less um you know dystopic you know what I'm saying? What happens? The scary part is this. The two examples we have of being told what to do in society that are really honed in and have a lot of years behind them are the education system and the prison system. Those are kind of like two perfect totalitarian um societies right you go here that you both of them are inside a chain link fence both of them serve you fucking food we could go into how rotten that is um so the two the two examples that i that i always think of school and prisons i'm like everyone has the same sheets the same desk the same and some of that

shit is bad right i mean like just even like think of if we put all the kids in the same sheets, the same desk, the same. And some of that shit is bad, right? I mean, like, just even like think of if we put all the kids in the same desk and the desk is designed wrong. And then now all of a sudden we have a whole generation of kids who are like or like. Like not even to get into the crazy politics of it, I don't know if this is true, but just for sake of argument. Supposedly during the lockdowns the average american put on 29 pounds and i don't know if you agree with me but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that that's like the worst thing that's like ever going to happen to society in our lifetime that 29 pounds on average and that people aren't going to lose that so we got to be careful with the decisions we make that it doesn't do that that that's that's my that's my

only concern about the authority exploring the authoritarian uh route yeah uh regardless of 29 pounds i think the some of the questions that people should ask is what's the intention of the person that's telling you that information? Right. And that's what brings us back to the, the disagreement that I have with Peter Atiyah and also the education, the education fixes. Do you see my point is like, yeah, yeah. Those are therapists. The answer is therapeutics. It's a fix, right? Right.

No, the answer is not that. So I can understand your sensitivity to that authoritarian kind of tyrannical view. Yeah, I hold those same things. But I keep asking, like, well, let's look past the twenty nine pounds. Now, on crime and recidivism, I I don't have enough to be able to say to your point, you know, eloquently. I do know just in my own brain that, you know, crime, crime is a fucking crime. So commit a crime. You're not supposed to do that. Fuck. You know, there's a whole bunch of stories on the back end of like fixing that. Now, the education thing, by all means, I I'm trying to find a through now a new form of

reformed reactionary educational system and what is that let's see my point is again what is that going to lead to so so what do you do and that's why you know i don't want to seem like i i lead that way but it's easy to do that when you just sit down and read all day is like just burn the whole fucking thing down. That's the only way to change the concept. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. 98 out of 100 examples because I can tell you what, indoctrination and dogmatic principles always rise up in whatever the reactionary answer you have.

So if your answer to fixing the education system is to put a bunch of, you know, grade three years all, you know. You know, that that's the wrong answer to to the concepts i'm just trying to give you an example here of the dogmatic indoctrination that's the answer quote unquote to our public education and its systems i think that's a really shitty answer to that so so what is the answer to it well it's it's i think it's impossible because it does involve, quote unquote, a homeschooling kind of small community example of how that kind of proliferates. So kids are not told for 13 years that you got to do this in order to get a job. You've got to do this in order to get a job. Somehow, there's this disconnect between age and power and whatever that everyone is coming out and not having anything to do in the modern world with what they did for 13 years of sitting down at a desk. My questions would be, what are you going to do about it? appreciate it if you're doing it differently because that's an individual example.

You said the two opposites, and those are the two ways. You have to burn everything down or take 100% personal accountability and responsibility yourself and raise your own kids. Those are the two ways to make impactful change. And see, that's the, and I only bring it up because it's always- I'm open to being wrong. I'm open to being wrong. No, no, no. Okay.

No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just trying to point out because I'm here and I'm talking that these are the things that come up in my mind is that I want something more than just those two choices in my lifetime. That's what I'm saying. Right, right.

So it's like, okay, that's cool, but that leaves you and me fine. But you know what's crazy? But there's 90% of every other child that's going to be born in America that doesn't have anyone on their side turning that direction. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. I do. But you can set examples.

A couple things that really resonated with me. When you said only two or three kids out of 100 will have that lifestyle with the no shoes, I was trying to think. I don't know. I'm out with my kids all day, every day. I'll finish this podcast and I'm just with my kids all day, every day. I'll finish this podcast and I just with my kids till the evening and I take them everywhere. We do skateboarding, martial arts and, um, uh, tennis. Like those are everyday type shit. And, um, I never see, I never see other kids barefoot like that. Like when we go into,

they like, as soon as they get in the car, they take off their shoes and we go in the supermarket and they're barefoot everywhere we go there. And you're right. I're right i don't they're on a whole uh and people look at them and i didn't even realize that until just now until you're saying that i guess i used to notice it but now it's been nine years and i don't notice it but you're right they're all i see kids at tennis practice wearing um uh rain uh, rain boots. And I'm thinking you're taking away your kid's ankle flexion. And that might lead to a whole cascade of shit that falls into their deathbed. I mean, I don't know if it's true, but I think that way. And, uh, they don't even know.

And I'm just like, yeah, it's a trip, but, but hopefully by my – I do think that the best thing I can do is just be an example to that. On the flip side, I've seen a lot of other kids take their shoes off because my kids are barefoot, run over to their parents, hey, can I take my shoes off? Yeah, yeah. And so – But how many kids are going to get an aha moment by doing that and then secondly you know if there's 90 of all the parents that are like oh don't do that because you're gonna fucking drop something on your toe yeah you know immediately it's you know but again i might i keep like yeah i just keep going further inside of that quote unquote as a fix for you know arm you know being a socialist social scientist armchair guy you

know just sitting in the chair like, okay, so. Would you say you're a socialist? Would you say that? Are you a socialist? I don't know. It's funny. I just, no.

Good answer. Good answer. Good answer. Good answer for today, right? I should say, though, that on top of that, just because you asked, before this call, I was actually doing some watching videos and reading around some of the stuff. Well, there's a lot of things left on the table when people pick on Karl Marx, for example, because the immediate like trope, because this is my point on your commentary on socialism. No, I don't think a lot

of people truly do the work before they get to that statement of like, no, I'm not a socialist. 100%. You're right. Yeah. You're right. Because if, and I'm saying like a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Guilty. Because if you actually, if you actually read through, you know, those capital and communist manifesto as example, like I have, you will, you will come out being like, geez, it's really a conflated political move that people throw at a thinker like that. And then and then, of course,

everything goes in the boat of it, right? Oh, Marxism, and less than Leninism, you know, socialism, it's like, well, you know, you can't just say, oh, this is the only option, you know, and this is the classic answer to it. Capitalism fixed poverty. You know, America was born on that. You know, this is the, and I'm like, where did you get that from? Who, who, who said those things? It's not that you're not right, but how did you come to that conclusion based upon it? So, well, all of us, I actually said social scientist armchair quarterback. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, James, you know what's interesting about that? So going back to what you said, so there's there's someone like you who has 50 years of. Hands on real life experience and exploration and um movement and and human optimization uh diet movement uh thinking um all the components of a sleep all that stuff right and then there's and and then you've all and then you've also uh had the research at your fingertips also in this era then there and so so that's the the lifestyle piece in the in the in the information you have and then there's the peter attia and these other people who think of it more as a therapeutic uh from that aspect they probably don't have

nearly the hands-on experimentation self and on others i think it's fair to say you've experimented on others and you've experimented on yourself. That same thing is we've all lived capitalism. Right. In this country, we've all lived capitalism. So for me, like, you know, for some people, it's like, holy shit, it was I'm 50 and it was horrible. Right. But for me, it's like I live in for me.

It's like, damn, I live 50 years. It was good. Thank God. Right God for it. Yeah. And so there's those two different – we have people who've been – everyone's kind of an – if you're in this country, everyone's kind of an expert in their own mind, right? Yeah. We all took that journey. Yeah.

We all took that capitalism journey. Are you glad to be out of Canada or do you miss Canada? Do you like the United States? Does it even matter to you? Do you think like that? I love Canadians. I'm not too excited about how I see things happening at the political level in Canada. Just like the way that people are being treated by the government?

Yeah. Yeah. level in Canada. Just like the way that people are being treated by the government? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, indirectly, just, you know, leadership and, you know, who those people are that are in position for that, and elected officials and, and then assuming then that, you know, the people in Canada, there's large there's large swaths of them that think that, you know, Trump is, as an example, is this is my sadness about canada is that uh i love canadians but i'm not really happy with canada um with regards to how that's operating right now and in the tensions that are that are just coming but i mean you know people got nothing better to do today so you got to come up with a lot of that shit to make it seem like their positions in election is worthy and et cetera. Are you homeschooling your kids? No.

No, we made a – You have them in a religious school? No. No, it's a public school, Desert Mountain here in Scottsdale. We tried at the end of – I think it was the first COVID summer, maybe 2020 or 2021. At the end of that summer, we made an attempt at an online schooling. Probably in hindsight, could have put a little bit more time into it, but the requirements of what it was going to take from Leanne and I for the management of it at the time of what we chose and what we did was too much,

actually. And so it just didn't work out. And then on the back end, you know, we come back to public schools and I know in an optimized world, it would have been awesome if I could have wrapped my hands around them when they were younger and did that. But hey, I was doing work. I was doing my job and trying to make money. And so I didn't. But I look at their public school and I look at their friendships and I look at their activities and et cetera. And I'm fairly happy with. You're pleased that turned out good. You're not like, oh, shit, they're in jail.

No, but I should. Well, I don't think it'll always lead. I think what's worse than jail is you have a kid that doesn't learn in school how to think or told what to think. So I think that, you know, I say that on the back end, not to, you know, not to seem hypocritical against public education, but I think, and then it comes back to effect size, because I think there's probably three out of 100 parents who are actually doing this. But for example, I read the stuff that my kids go through in school right so and I'm not doing as like a helicopter parent no I'm doing it as a way of discussing with them like critical thinking on what you're being told to read versus what you're going to interpret this reading through you know

I'm saying right well I'll just give you a very quick one. My daughter and I, Chloe, are reading Hard Times by Charles Dickens. And in this, just to, you know, quickly summarize it to bring it to the point of, you know, you're asking your question around public education. I am a parent because I have the time and I it, where we're reading through hard times. It's about, it's really this broken line between facts, or sorry, science and art. Okay, so what is factual in the world and how to promote that in education. And then all these pulls that we have towards what is beautiful and what is joyous joyous and what is flowering okay so all the imaginative creative things that's the two lines in the in the book and he brings us about in in a storyline right um and so my daughter and i are, she's asked for some kind of, I think one of the questions was, what's the significance of this particular chapter and naming? got the answer to, was this somewhat, let's call it light, woke answer to the oppressed and the oppressor, right? So this was the right answer, right? On a subjective question of

significance of the chapter. Do you see my point? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So I have taken the time because I have the time to read this with Chloe to say, no, the significance of the naming of that chapter is very subjective. It's all based upon how you're going to interpret. Do you see my point? Yeah. Yeah. So she got it wrong because we interpreted it as something differently. So I hope from that, you're, you're pulling out what the, you know, the public education system is only going to be positive if there's someone else there for that child that acts as this like buffer between what is real and what is, that acts as this like buffer between what is real and what is,

what is not real or what, what the current cultural tone is for that. Like, like my, we indirectly talk about finances with my girls, right. It's not taught in education. Right. Right.

We talk about real things, right. The ends, you know, our history of real estate kind of stories and stuff. Right. And it just, you know, our history of real estate kind of stories and stuff. Right. And it just you can just see it gets these. I'm just saying that because it gets these this turning in the head that they're not getting in school. So I just want to say that on the back end of sounding hypocritical to the public education system, I would say if you have an adult there who is like, you know, working with them through the topics and it's strenuous, dude.

Oh, my gosh. You know, it's interesting. I wish I could say it was the public school that did that to me. And I love my parents very much, but it was my parents who did that to me. Right. So it's how you it's how you couch things. It's abortion is a fundamental right to the women, sovereignty of the woman's body. And it is about a medical freedom. And I was raised that way. It's, it's all, it's about women's rights, women's rights, women rights. And it wasn't until I was,

uh, 45 that someone's like, Hey, what about the killing baby part? I was like, Oh shit. I never thought about that. And it's like,, my parents should have presented both to me. Crazy topic, Sevan. Woman's body, her right man, slippery slope, killing baby. Which do you choose?

And then I could have been like, what do you choose, mom? And she could have been like, fuck dude, I don't know. The importance here though is don't get yourself in that situation. Recognize that having sex could create a baby, and this is a really tough decision. Or maybe like, hey, some people who have faith believe that everything is done by God. Just whatever, but paint some options. But I didn't.

I was indoctrinated everything by my family by one ideology to take me down one path. It wasn't even the school that did it with my own parents. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that happened to you, but it's good that you're on the other side, being an advocate for open thought. And, uh, and, but you're, you're just giving an example there of the principles that I'm hoping your listeners can extract from it. Right. Right. We want to, we want to teach young people how to think. Yes. Right. Not what to think.

Like you were, you were told that you only think one thing about that particular topic. And I was told it was good and benevolent. Which of course is natural, right? I was couched in this, like, Hey dude,

you care about women. And I'm like, yeah. When you throw morality on top of it, you know, kids are like, Oh my my gosh do you have values james i the way well i think the way you're asking the question yeah i probably back ends the previous questioning you had last time about uh james could you become a christian do you think you could become a christian yeah let me preface it with this really quick i had sarah sigman's daughter on the show James, could you become a Christian? Do you think you could become a Christian? My identity was rooted in my performance and how I did athletically. And then all of a sudden I came up with some values.

And my values, although I could change them, no one can take them from me. And if I stay true to them, that's my identity. And when she explained it like that, I was like, shit, I need some values. Or I at least need to become conscious of my values. Yeah, well, it's lucky actually because a lot of athletes don't go through that route of this, actually, because a lot of athletes don't go through that route of this, let's call it a, you know, a transformation into extracting all those nice things, right, about how to live a virtuous life through physical, you know, experiences. mine, uh, is probably, you know, still, I'm still developing, you know, I guess you could say, you know, I probably won't quote unquote, develop that concept of answering a very

simple question of like, what's my number five, you know, on the, on the values. Right. Um, but I do have, I do have principles that I, I'm not going to lie that really resonate with me. You know, like I love listening to Christopher Hitchens and watching, you know, hours upon hours of videos around his his anti authoritarian or anti, you know,rannical things that are inside a religion. Now, that doesn't mean people shouldn't pigeonhole me then to be a staunch atheist, but that's just the way I feel that there are actually, and there has been millions and millions of examples of people who are quote unquote, not faithful, faithful in the terms of capital F faithful, that were really good people in this world. And there will continue to be that way, which is going to be, it's going to be an

interesting play out in a hundred years when that continues to diminish and you're left looking back going, holy crap, that project for 2,000 years of making people think that what is good and what is not good comes from this reading or this attempt at reading or et cetera, I think it's going to be interesting to see when everyone looks around like, wow, we're all really good people or a lot of us are really good people. But we don't have those practices that, you know, people say you're supposed to derive your values from. I like religion. I'm not religious, but I love those people's values. I think I would even say, well, again, whenever I hear that, I agree. I think I would even say, well, again, whenever I hear that, I agree.

And I went because a lot of my friends are Christians, born again, Christians or just very faithful individuals and and whatever their version of church, their church going individuals. And I agree with that. And Leanne, I say the same things. But. It's a. You want it whenever you make that statement, I would just say as a learning for people, just say, well, when the stress gets really high, that's the only way the truth and those values will be revealed. Meaning, yeah, we do agree with them. But what happens when it gets really stressful? What is the values? And so then the question comes up, well, what do you mean by stressful? Well, what are you going to tell your kids at age 12 around what is right and what is wrong around masturbation? Do you see how now we're like, okay, well, that's one like light topic. We can work it out. Okay. Well, how about

their actual finite physical life when they're 18 years of age do you see what i'm saying like the the burning bush the burning bush and like born to a virgin like etc etc right that so so a lot would say yeah but let's just look past that because there's like this this number of that they propose to have, which is arrogantly better than the atheists, right? Because it is an arrogance to them having the values and owning them as opposed to atheists. I don't know if atheists have values. Yeah, they do. They do? Okay.

Well, I guess we've got to define capital A or small a, atheist or humanist or et cetera, et cetera. Let me ask you this real quick. Where do you think – by the way, there's a book called Mouse. It's a graphic novel. Have you read it? No. I highly recommend it. Basically, it's a – a guy uses his dad's story of World War II, and he uses rats and mice to be like in pigs to be like all the different uh

ethnicities but basically you'll see what happens when the jews like basically the jews are like running for their lives and you see how they turn on each other and it's i mean just imagine we throw 100 people into a swimming pool and we're like hey only 40 you are getting out you'll see some horrible shit it's a great book though i highly i know it sounds depressing but it's called mouse graphic novel it's like two two books you could read it in a couple days thank you you recommended siddhartha last time and i uh i flew through that and it was very enjoyable to read about the the underpinnings of buddha did you like herman hessa as an author yeah he's cool right yeah that was nice yeah um. Thank you.

Where do you think atheists get their values from? Like where like like I'm an atheist. Where do you think I get my values from? Again, I'm just armchair. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Jefferson, you know, one of the one of the founding fathers wrote a different perspective of looking at these original documents so people can get the original documents of this country. They could pull out some specific ideas on human liberty, human equality, right? Pursuit of liberty, happiness, et cetera, et cetera. You know, this is et cetera, et cetera. You know, this is, this is one way, right? This is a constitutional republic, right? America is, right? There's no heavy language as much as the religious may want you to think. There's no heavy language inside of

the documents for religious connotations, right? There's words like, you know, creator and et cetera, connotations, right? There's words like, you know, creator and etc. But it's left to interpretation, even with that. So that's one place people could, quote, unquote, derive that who are who are the nons or unreligious. Um, you could honestly not to sound like a dick when I say this, you could just fucking look around. You could like, just read things and like watch what's going on in society and not have this, this veil of like, oh, that's their political identity. Oh, that that's, that's how they're identifying. How do we derive who those people, you know, what those people are and what their values are based upon what they're doing. You could do that. So I would just stop there besides saying just experience of the human process. You know, if I was to really stretch it out, for me to answer that question in 1652

would be a much more intellectual challenge. You know what I'm saying? Like a much more intellectual challenge when a lot of the people had this specific line of thinking and you were thought of as a dissident of that thought at that point in time. watch YouTube or just look around. That's how you can determine your values. And then you may see some people in there after watching them lead a really large life. And then you recognize they're like, oh, wow, they're not reading a book or going to church or, you know what I'm saying? You're like, oh, geez, I never really thought about that. Now there is, there's some great arguments, which I actually do like of listening to like Christopher Hitchens versus William Lane Craig. I think his name is Craig. Yeah. Last name Craig of, you know, how do we come up to understanding where these values are derived from, right? Like

objective moralities or, you know, where these things derive. I love that conversation. You know, it's still a, it's still a good thing, but I'm landing on just looking around through experience and being able to say, yeah. Did your parents give you, my mom used to always say to me, treat people how you want to be treated. I mean, she was, she would say that a lot, at least once a week, I'd hear that. Yeah, for sure. You know, those, um, your parents say that stuff to you? Yeah, yeah, like the Sticks and stones might break your bones, names will hurt you Yeah

Etc, etc, yeah, by all means And my My mom was a Devote Catholic, part of Women's Catholic League But with regards to Quote unquote, and this is my underpinnings of my curiosity as well as skepticism was as I, besides the whole,

oh, wow, that's my penis. And these are the feelings I have. And wow, masturbation is really cool. This 13 year old highlighting moment of like all this shit that's going on in that world. And I see the real world. I'm like, yeah, disgusting. Right. It's fucking disgusting. Like how we live, how we're living our lives. And we're putting on this facade on Sundays.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, really do. I really have, you know, some some psychological stuff that I'm going to work through for the next 30 years to kind of like heal myself of all the shit that I went through on that. And I do point the finger at at those, quote unquote, religious values that like seeped out. But I saw not helping a young human. but I saw not helping a young human. I saw it being, if anything, it didn't allow me to open my mind.

It kind of repressed this biological reality, I guess you would say. And so that's my mom's side. My dad, I think he just kind of went along for the ride. Yeah. But that's where my quote-unquote parents... Are your parents still alive, James? Pardon? Are your parents still alive?

My mom passed a couple of years ago with brain cancer, and my dad is still alive in Labrador, where I was born and raised. That Labrador is a spot in Canada? Yeah. uh where i was born and raised that's the labrador is a spot in canada yeah you know i was uh having an inner uh give my an inner speech the other day to a fake talk to a fake crowd inside my head and i was thinking about how um i can talk about i can go anywhere in my brain like absolutely fucking anywhere and i'm pretty much not afraid to talk about, I can go anywhere in my brain, like absolutely fucking anywhere. And I'm pretty much not afraid to talk about anything.

And I'm surrounded by people who are absolutely terrified to talk about things. And the example would be, hey, why can't they, a deep reality is a boy's masturbating at 13, but yet it can't be talked about. And there's a massive fucking disconnect there we have in society. Now, I did have someone many years ago try to talk to me about the – there's actually a couple places I won't go. The justification of – I don't want to have a conversation with the justification of uh hurting uh kids sexually like someone many years ago was trying to be like well what about and i'm like dude like i'm perfectly okay with there being an arbitrary age of 18 and like if you go below that you go to jail i'm like i whether it's true or not i don't care i think it's good for

civilization just like red means stop and i think that that's arbitrary, but I like it. I don't want to crash at the intersection. Yeah. But other, but, but we, we have a serious issue in our society that people are just don't want to talk. People can't go places in their head that they're prisoners in their,

their, their prisoners. It makes it so I don't want to hang. So I don't want to hang out with people, by the way, it kind of sucks. Like there's this weird, like, uh, yeah, it's weird.

Yeah, there's no doubt. Again, you and I are playing an armchair social science quarterback here. But I agree with you that there's a lot of, you know, self-censorship. I also, I guess I could, you know, maybe as a, this is kind of interesting how I'd answer it, but between coffee, between you and I and no recording, you know, I like to have opinion without knowledge. I like having conversation about those particular things, like the third rail stuff that you were talking about. But. But I think there's, there is something to be said around, you know, how we as humans have created this atmosphere. We have to remember that like we, we can't, we can't say that we're victims because we're self-censoring and we don't want to have this conversation in public. And if I sounded like that, you're maybe right. Yeah, you're right.

Maybe I should know why you shouldn't because you don't have knowledge on the topic. But let's back up. I would disagree with your notion that a lot of people don't still have these stories going on in their head. I still think people are reading these things. Oh, oh. But I think where you and I may have, I guess, conversation sake, I do think a lot of people should just shut the fuck up with that mind thought. They shouldn't leave their head, right? Unless it's going to be a conversation in a room that's not recorded with your friend.

So your friend or two other friends could say, dude, like, that's fucking wrong. Like, you need to fucking, you need to read a little bit more. fucking wrong like you need to fucking you need to read a little bit more yeah but but at least that person leaves the conversation with like geez i'm glad that they told me this is socially unacceptable to talk about the fine lines between a 15 year old female and you know i'm saying like it it it becomes becomes the these areas so but i just wanted to make the point that humans, we need to remember we created this atmosphere, right? So we, we deserve everything we get based upon this digital, you know, area that you and I, for example, um, and I flourish because I'm willing to push the line. The people who are pushing the line will flourish, but you got to be careful because I did have my YouTube

station shut down for a week because I did say that food and exercise are the greatest resource you have for your health. And I resent ever saying that. I'm such an idiot. That's disgusting. Disgusting. Thank you for that. And just me just saying just dumb shit. Yeah.

Well, long live Pfizer. Yeah. Oh, man. They had a huge amount of money put into a commercial on the Super Bowl last time. I'm sure if anyone saw that. What a very smart move on behalf of that company. The way they did it last night. They're going to cure cancer next. Oh, well, that's exactly how you get the emotions raised in the politic, right? It's like, we're going to gonna take care of cancer so fuck you with

all your commentary on vaccines yeah um yeah dude uh i i'm pausing there because i thank you thank you i have so much um so much to say about that we'll go live on rumble someday i'd love to hear your opinion let me ask you opinion. Let me ask you something controversial. Let me ask you something controversial. Anyways, but no, I think just the fine point on that was that we just have to remember that there are specific things that you should not talk about without knowledge. Give me an example. Oh, so Israel-Palestine conflict. How about squatting? My dad used to tell me when you squat, bend your knees. How about squatting?

Should my dad have not told me that? He told me how to squat wrong. You know what I mean? He'd have me on my toes picking up wine boxes at five years old wrong. Should he have not talked about that? Because he didn't know shit about squatting. It was something a doctor had told him. I'm using something a little more mundane than palestine israel

i tried to back up yeah yeah yeah like to my dad should my dad should god should like grab my dad by the way like shut the fuck up you don't know anything about squatting look at your backs all fucked up well i was i actually just thinking doesn't every kid think their parent is dumb as rocks? No, I still think my parents are the smartest people in the room. Oh, geez. I know. I'm a late bloomer.

No, no, no. No, that's true. You actually saw through it because they actually did know a lot of things. If I was to answer it, so I'm not deflecting um i would say uh uh no i mean he had he had every right to make that commentary based upon what his experience was okay so go back to israel and palestine tell me that one why shouldn't um people like so here's my here's my take my family was in a very similar situation to if you if you to the people who live on that piece of land called Gaza. And they fled.

And my wife's parents were in a very similar situation to what those people in Gaza, and they fled. And today, me and my family, I'm so happy my family fled. So I have that opinion. My opinion is like, hey, if you live there, get the fuck out. It's not worth fighting over. Leave and come somewhere and start a life and start working hard and raise your kids, and in 30 years, get the fuck out. It's not worth fighting over. Leave and come somewhere and start a life and start working hard and raise your kids. In 30 years, you'll be rich.

You could still be rich. Just leave. Those guys are bombing. They're crazy. It's not worth standing and fighting for the land. But I have that opinion because... Do you think that that's a legitimate opinion based on my own historical... Even if I lived in Israel, I'd be like, get the fuck out. Like, hey, don't be in the Middle East, period.

Well, you didn't use the word that goes with the sentence, right? Which is you have opinion, though, with knowledge. Right. On my own personal experience. Yeah, exactly. But well, you mean you make light of it, but that holds a lot of weight, right? It's not it's not your perceived experience it's your actual experience right so uh yeah millions of my people were killed and i'm so lucky my family

fucking jumped on and got out so yeah but i'll just give a i'll just give a only for reasons of argument's sake but to bring my point of opinion without knowledge yeah you know it would be very easy then for someone who's uneducated, who just saw that on CNN, right? Whatever just went on. Yeah. And to say the exact same thing that you just said and think that it's knowledge because, but, but, but it's not knowledge. It's, it's, they're actually just cracking an opinion from what they were told from the media. So you see their, their opinion comes without knowledge, your opinion comes with knowledge, right? So but then the reason why I was going to make a

point to that as like, well, how do you determine knowledge? It's a collection of a lot of things, i.e., you know, stories around people that were born into that that have no chance of leaving as an example so right right where is there space for the conversation for that 12 year old boy right you know saying so because it actually is a real thing right there are a 12 year old boy there somewhere who has knowledge of that you see i'm saying so yeah yeah there's a lot that needs to go into that yeah a lot that needs to go into it and that's what i mean by a very heavy topic like i can add a bunch of things to it uh the israel lobby right like just read up about so i could add a lot of components to it that give me more knowledge right that if I wish to, outside of my own head, have an opinion on it, I'd have something behind it. So that's what I'm saying in terms of the opinion with knowledge

is something I want to listen to. I want to listen to those individuals. I want to listen to the IDF soldiers and their journeys over the past number of... I want to listen to the IDF soldiers and their journeys, right, over the past. I want to listen to individuals on the outside who look at it like in a big picture scenario, right? Let's take one side of the picture, Christopher Hitchens, Edward Said, Norm Finkelstein, you know know angle of it and then let's let's look at the uh the well just i can't i can't give you names but just the other side of it right and that doesn't mean there's only two sides but there's a lot of work in coming up with a specific knowledge on that topic right you see what i'm saying before i'm going to have an opinion. So if someone was like, Hey James, you're just a fucking trainer. What's your thoughts on Israel? Palestine's like, I don't know if I have the reading. I don't know if I've done the work to have enough knowledge to

have an opinion on it. I could say something on Twitter or put something on Instagram or just like retweet a baby's heads being cut off. Right. I can do that. Right. But what the fuck is that? Right. What the fuck is that? Right. And I think my,

I think my reaction to your question is, is pertinent to the seriousness in that particular topic. Right. Great point. You know, you bring up another going to like a, a higher elevation there. That's also the thing too. Some people might couch the problem as, hey, whose land is it? And so they'll be for the next five years arguing that whose land is it, whereas I couch the position as just like on a personal level, do you want to survive?

is just like on a personal level do you want to survive and so they're there it's the same thing with the abortion thing like the two one group's over here saying it's killing babies one person saying it's women's right there are two totally different ways of couching like we need people to be patient enough to see the different what what are we even arguing what's what what is the argument that you need to win to get right it's it's it's it's a mess yeah and it's still and this is to make it seem more pessimistic even even the public when they're polled yeah 80 of them agree on a certain timeline in that process right right right 80 regardless of what their intelligence is or whatever that's what the people think should be in the law. So my point being is that it becomes very pessimistic when people don't take into consideration geography, genetics,

upbringing, class, all the things that go into, quote unquote, the abortion topic being more than two areas right it's more than two things right there's downstream effects of the argument there's etc but we only there's a group of people who just say but god said so that one like like for a lot of conversations i would people like but it says in the bible here and i'll be like this is a perfect example of of what you mentioned earlier right i.e i like those people because of their values yeah well when the stress gets high the truths become revealed so this is when it's your wife that got raped all are you still for are you still for against you wanted to go there i didn't i'll just back up i wanted to bring up specific topics to it, but. Okay. Let me ask you this.

Cause you're Canadian. I got this friend. I grew up in a very liberal community and I got this friend. He has three daughters and I call him the other day. I'm like, Hey dude, what do you think about this? Dude's playing in girl sports. And he's like, dude, shut the fuck up. I'm like, what do you mean?

He goes, dude, it's isolated incidents. Nothing. Quit being a dipshit, dude. Quit like whatever you're watching quit watching that shit all right i feel you on that all right thank you that that was two years ago we had this incident united states where basically a guy pretending to be a girl went into a girl's bathroom i think he like raped her and then they transferred him to high schools and then he raped another girl or something like that and then the dad went to the student board it was a big case but maybe it was isolated but virginia right yeah and he ended up going to jail he got in trouble the feds like attacked him or it was crazy the video was crazy yeah but the dad did not deserve to be treated like that in my opinion anyway so now this week so then we had – so then we had this dude, big dude, 6'4 dude kicking ass in swim meets. Now we got another dude doing that, taking away NCAA titles.

But the craziest thing I just saw is in Canada, there was a women's volleyball event this past month, and there were three dudes in it. No, three dudes on one team and two dudes on another team and when i say dudes i'm just i'm strictly talking about genitalia but penis um you have daughters do you do you have any thoughts on that like i can't even like the abortion thing i see but i can i can see both sides. I'm open. There's more than both sides. Sure, sure. I'm open to all sides. The dude thing, I'm struggling with. I feel very inflexible. Yeah. the guy of their true statements really uh because it is true that if you were to scour all the let's call it competitive events that go on the effect size actually is minuscule but yeah okay okay this

is that's only my that's only my first point to say like right in right opinion with knowledge right so that means you're going to have to do the work. You want to ask the questions, which is tough to do in that situation, right? It's tough to do in those situations, especially if I was to reflect on a boy being in a locker room with my girls, right? Yeah. And there's the pressure, right? All of a sudden it's like- I know. But again, change is not going to occur with emotions, right? Right, right. Instead, we got to ask the question, how in the hell did we get to this point?

How in the hell did we get to this point? And I sit on the area of if more people did the knowledge around some of the reasons for the growth in intersectionality and gender variances, et cetera, if you did the reading into why that stuff comes about and you don't just jump on Marx or Gramsci or Leninism or anything, right? And you start to realize how that permeated in our culture, it would still, you could still hold those two views. Yeah, that dude should not be competing with my daughter in an event, but also I'm going to be empathetic to the reason why that young man thinks the way that he thinks, right? You have to, you have to be able to say, how is that possible? As opposed to, you know, firing, you know, putting parents in jail,

or firing administrative people, or trying to point your finger at things that are really wrong, including like, you know, the prison situation in Scotland. So you're saying shit that goes awry with this concept, that still doesn't disregard the fact that those stupid things are still occurring. But you need to come to the conversation with a lot more than just reaction of being like, you know, this is fucked up. Boys are boys. Girls are girls. Right. That's not enough. So you're saying you're saying you need to have the knowledge that if you feed your kid Mountain Dew and McDonald's from the in their baby bottle to the time they're seven, they won't.

There's ample evidence that shows that they'll have one third the testosterone of an average male. You mix that with giving your kid a cell phone and him watching Little Nas X endlessly and watching porn. And all of a sudden, motherfuckers like you. Once again, you did this. Exactly. You fucked up this kid's hormones and you gave him the content of, to be susceptible to,

Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. So listen to Siobhan's words and extract the principles from that. Right. Which is what you're feeding kids and what they're, you're feeding their brains. Right.

So your point on the phone thing, technological changes that have occurred in 20 years. We don't also want to just point our finger at that one thing. Right. But remember, we have organized our entire lives around that. So if you're like, oh, geez, I can't. They must be sick in the head because their perception is that they're a girl. Aren't you taking a pause to be like, yeah, but you are on this fake reality for six hours a day. You actually think that's real. That's fucking not real. But you're going to be able to make a horrible, vicious tweet towards that young man who's a fucking human, by the way.

Right. They're a human. Right. You sound like a Christian. Are you sure you're not a Christian? You sound like such a man. I would not say it this way. Oh, OK. OK. OK. They would sound they would say this is a this is a man of God, by the way. OK, you're right. Good point. Good point. We all have a, you know. Do you know what I'm saying? But you sound very loving, very caring. Well, if that comes across that way, that's great.

It proves my point of the atheist being possibly being caring, right? Atheists are agnostic. I have a disdain for individuals who poke their finger at something just because it's performative or because it's going to create more vitriol without having the knowledge of the particular topic. topic it's but it's listen as i say that i become very nihilistic in my thinking because it's like well you know fuck that's it man this is you know life is lived on you know on social media and this false reality that we have and a lot of young kids are not outdoors running around barefoot that's the fucking reality so that's your your daughter who's driving does she have a cell phone yes she's not driving with a cell phone but yes she she does have a cell phone and and are you do you have like all rules around that like you let her do instagram and stuff like that yep yep they have uh i would say well chloe just to give you some more, uh, Chloe is 15. Uh, Hannah is 17. Um, they have, uh, parental, you know, restrictions. And, um, I'm just saying this is, this is the terminology

inside of Apple and phones and et cetera, uh, wherever our knowledge is on that, but we have restrictions based upon it. Um. We do have timelines during the week and the weekend for usage of particular, you know, timeline for hours usage. I think it's like two hours are on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then, you know, Monday to Friday, it's close to zero unless there's something inside of there that, you know, there's time allotted or there's exceptions, et cetera, et cetera. Um, and I will say that all on the back end of being like, I don't, I, again, I don't want to sound like it, like my public education commentary, but I'm very close to my family. Like I, you know, I'm, I'm with my girls, uh, when they're not at

school. Right. Uh, we were, I'm, I'm like 20 feet from them when they sleep. On the weekends, I am right next to them. I still hold my hands, hold hands with a 17-year-old. So I just want to give you that story to be like, you know. You're connected. I'm connected. So there's probably an occurrence

where they see my actions because I'm not on social media. My actions of quote unquote connection to the real world. I'm acting as some form of an adult where they look around and go, oh, wow. You know, but if Leanne and I were like nonstop, you know, flipping and whatever, whatever the thing is. Yeah. I should be. I should be understanding of the fact that my kid wants

to be on there at 1 a.m in the morning at night right it's like hey dude you know so uh that's long-winded answer to your question of what hannah does with her driving and cell phone it's it's wild to think that that kids in i think you're right i think kids are in bed at night on a school night at three in the morning. They still haven't turned off the app. They got a cord running from their phone to the wall. I think that that's like millions of kids. You would be surprised as to how much. I think I, yeah, I think.

Damn, dude. I know. Just think about that. And when you get into effect size, i.e., like, just how many are in that situation? You ready? You ready, James? Heart, use your seatbelt on. Heart, we're going to slam on the brakes. What about tooth powder?

Do you ever use tooth? Do you know about tooth powder? No. What toothpaste do you use? I don't know the name, Brad. Leanne gets it. It's like a – let's call it a newer age version of Tom's. Okay. No fluoride. I don't think so, but I want to be careful that I don't – I'm going to send you i'm

gonna send you some tooth powder i'm coming out with a tooth powder i started using tooth powder and then i got i got into this kick about how fluoride's just like you can't find one benefit there's the only thing that tooth fluoride does is it hardens the enamel in your teeth everything else it's just absolutely horrible for you it is like especially kid i mean it is bad and um and and no one's pushing back like no one pushes back against that no one's like no it's healthy for you even the people who are like yeah strength and strengthens your tooth enamel it's fine just don't swallow it i'm like motherfucker i'm putting that in my mouth what do you mean don't swallow it so i started using my my mom and my sister have these beautiful teeth and they just brush with baking soda and i I'm like, I don't really want to do that.

So my sister got me this tooth powder. So I started getting a tooth powder, and then I'm just coming out with my own tooth powder. It's basically bentonite clay, crushed egg cells, a little bit of salt, and a little bit of charcoal. But, dude, once you start brushing your teeth with tooth powder, you'll never go back. I'll send you the stuff that I started with, and then when my stuff comes out, I'll send it to you. Was this like an inputted sponsor opportunity? No, no. I'm just –

I was going to say, that was magical. I mean, you're better than Ben Shapiro at flying through the – Hey, listen. I was going to say, that was magical. I mean, you're better than Ben Shapiro at flying through the – all of a sudden the sponsors come through, and you're putting it into a – like, oh, I'm going to involve my – I'm going to involve James in this sponsor. No, I'm really into it. I believe it. I started using toothpaste powder, and I've never used toothpaste again. I would even just like – and I brush my teeth pretty regularly, like probably like five times a day i'll just use the toothbrush with water okay but once or twice a day i use the tooth powder and i just it's a complete game changer for me like everyone and every adult i've known who switches to powder never goes back they're like

i'm never using toothpaste again like you never like you just don't also i appreciate that. Yeah. Two things on that one. Leanne is, is, I could say definitely more into that. And I kind of just follow suit with what she's up to. So I think the, you know, she does like the oil pulling and the, you know, the charcoal stuff and et cetera. So if she has landed on this particular toothpaste that she's using, I'm thinking I'm in good hands. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good point. Yeah. I'm thinking I'm in good hands. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Yeah.

I'm like that with my wife too. Yeah. I'm still not going to deter from making an attempt of, you know, doing a five times a day with the powder. Secondly, just because you brought it up and it's not to argue your point on this, like,

or argue on the point I was making of how the therapeutics uh and the biohacking concepts are around us because i guess your area of tooth powder could be like that like kind of weird middle zone of like well what did we do before so my my point would be just as an extract a principle from it for people is that in a world where people only eat real food. Yep. Yep. You see where I'm going with that? I agree 100 percent. I agree 100 percent in my mom and my sister really do only eat real food. And so so there's that there's that caveat, too. And I'm pretty good, too. And so, so there's that, there's that caveat too. And I'm pretty good too.

I'm like probably like 90%. So I'm, I'm probably, um, yeah. If, if all you ate every day is a steak and a, um, a handful of broccoli. Yeah. You don't even, you don't need tooth powder, but it's basically just brushing your teeth with dirt. Awesome. So, and on that point, why I mentioned it for real food, just so I can be again, a prophetic

around what I'm looking for there. Yeah, yeah. Is that I do want people to think a whole lot harder around what their ultimate life potential is. And not quote, unquote, you know, just say, to your point, 90%. If you are saying 90 percent again i'm failing to stop using you as an example but because you said it i don't mind you you do want to think just for shits and giggles i'm asking the person who's the listener to sit down and contemplate on this what are you afraid of by a hundred percent what are you afraid of are you afraid of? Are you afraid of, as an example, fear of missing out, which is what we're told we're missing? Are you afraid of what comes with what your perception is of the perfectionist? Because 100% and being a perfectionist are not the same thing. Do you know

what I'm saying? So I just want people to ask that. The reason why I say that is that I do think that there's a lot of people that leave a whole ton of shit on the table for what they can do for their potential in their life because of these conforming ideas around moderation versus like 100% commitment around. And if some, some people, honestly, you're like, well, I just get too obsessed and too disciplined. Well, why don't you fix that? Why don't you fix the fact that you become too obsessed over something and then just go back to, okay, maybe 99 is good enough. Do you know what I'm saying? So that's the point I just wanted to make on your point there is that my whole, you know, irk in my own brain is like to give opinions on people leaving a ton of shit on the table with regards to how they can create the highest

potential for themselves. I assume it's everyone is the same way. Tell me if this, I'll give you an example. Um, so, um, all I want to do is eat, uh, ribeye and I feel great when I do that. So like, and then, and then I'm, uh, you know, and I'm like seven days in and all I've been eating is just ribeye and water and black coffee. And so then it's, uh, nine o'clock at night and I just got done doing research for the OPT podcast. And, um, I, uh, walking through the kitchen the bedroom, and I see a banana that's been cut in half. Someone ate half a banana, and one side of it's getting brown. I'm like, oh, that looks good.

Might as well fucking just eat that before that goes to shit. So I go over there. I peel that, and I eat it, eat it and i'm like man this would go this would go great with a handful of almonds oh you know what i think that there's a ton of sparkling water uh in in the fridge too i'll drink some of that i i know i know that's gonna hurt my stomach that's gonna make it so like i have to get up in the middle of night and sleep and it's gonna interfere with my sleep but whatever and next thing i know i got a fucking bucket of almonds out i got three bananas out and two liters

of sparkling water i just assume and then then i go to bed and i'm like oh good luck tomorrow buddy i'm pretty compassionate with myself but isn't that every isn't that the story for everyone or no well i don't know i don't think so is that your story do you do you do that is that how does it how when you when when james fitzald slips up, how does he slip up? Tell me one of your slip up stories. Um, be vulnerable, James. Give me something slipping up. Give me something.

I guess I don't consider it slipping up. Like you go to a wedding and someone hands you like a shot of Uzo. You go to some Armenian guy's wedding hands you a shot of Uzo. Like, yeah, ah, really? It's been 372 days since I've had a drink. I don't really know if I want to do this. Yeah. I don't know.

Do you just take the shot or do you say no thank you? I didn't take a shot last night because there was shots going around at the Super Bowl party and I didn't take a shot last night cause there was, uh, shots going around at the Superbowl party. Um, and I didn't, but I think the little ranch dressing on that broccoli though, you use a little, not to deflect, but this, this is, this is exactly what people get into. Um, when they tried it, when they try to work around the truest intentions and the truest beliefs that they have in what's

going to work best for them. It doesn't mean that, quote unquote, there isn't modern shit that's hyper attractive and with attention and hyper addictive and hyper novel, et cetera. That's still going to be there. But, but to try to, you know, to try to move people into like, well, you know, see there, there, that's, you know, that's an example that a hundred percent doesn't work. That's, that's a wrong way of going about still believing that a hundred percent is going to give people their potential for their lifetime. It, it, it always ends in this like behavioral adjustments that we have to do relative to

modern times. So, you know, um, if you don't say, I don't, I don't see it as the way you're proposing the question is. Okay's just but i would i would i would have opinion yeah yeah on how you would how you would uh uh in your specific situation um i would approach it with logic right meaning like i don't know how many examples do we have to give you uh of you know uh for um i'll just use a millennia but we can go back a whole lot further, that it was very beneficial to have whatever we could source on the planet as options for us. So, meaning like, did you know that there was tubers? Did you know that yucca was available? You know, it's like, but I thought that my steak and water know what I'm saying? It's like, but I thought

that my steak and water and coffee would be all. It's like, well, that's illogical because a logical way of going about it is all the nature's availability of variety of foods that we have done for thousands of years that has actually made this brain bigger. So I would just approach it with that as like, well, what should I do in this situation of a banana and almonds? I would simply just approach it with logic being like, has bananas, does bananas under the category of quote unquote real food fit in? Yeah. Has it been around for a long period of time? Yeah. You know, it says like, Oh, it's fucking logical it's logical

that i would make that but when you move it into the uh and again this was just on the back end it's top of mind for me but this debate on you know in ancient times it was like written through james joyce's ulysses or in the odyssey of and Immanuel Kant, you know, discusses this with regards to morality is that you're going to develop these virtues, i.e. these behaviors to what you should do because there's these things pulling you in the other direction, i.e. there's going to be Doritos on the shelf. There's going to be, And so see, that's how I'm approaching your question is like, I don't know. I don't, I don't believe in the fact that I'm choosing that banana just because there's Doritos on the shelf. That's not how I'm making decision. I'm making it logically, right? I'm saying, no, this food, this fucking banana has been around for a long time that we have like learned is

fucking tasty like honey you know it's like oh my gosh this fucking that's fucking good you know and we've learned after a thousand years let's say that's like you can't just do bananas all the time why because have you ever tasted broccoli or a fucking rib like i mean it's like but it's all under the context of real food so that's how i'll put i'll throw it back to you with regards to the answer of like what does slippage mean or what is you know i don't know um anything that's not real food i guess that would be my answer to you like if that's if that ice cream is not real food i guess that's i'm gonna call it a slip just for your language yeah did you have any ranch dressing at the uh super bowl party dipping

well i think there could have been actually in some of the chicken the chicken dip that it's like a hot sauce chicken dip do you watch football no. No, just an opportunity to hang out with some people. Roll party. Yeah. Yeah, yearly thing. Bernie Gannon says, James Fitzgerald, the only time he slips up is when he agrees to come on the Savon podcast. Hey, dude, I really appreciate you coming on.

I really enjoy talking to you. You got some good listeners. Thank you. I think we all should get in like a a public room together and jam via I

I I'm not far from you I'm coming to I'm coming to Scottsdale in March I'll text you and if it's easy maybe we can hang out for a little bit

of course yeah I'd love for, um, get our families together and hang out. Introduce you to my three boys. Meet your daughters. See Leanne again.

Yep. I would love that. You come up, uh, they have lots of place to run around here, uh, up on our turf, which is the,

uh, regular, uh, fake grass setting in Arizona. Yes, sir. Which I'm sure you're aware of, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Are you going to see Greg then too? I am. I am. I'm come up, come out there for a couple of weeks. Yeah. grass setting in arizona yes sir which i'm sure you're aware of right yeah yeah are you gonna see greg then too i am i am i'm come up come out there for a couple weeks yeah maybe you should pull him up yeah we could all hang out yeah that'd be cool that'd be very cool all right brother uh thanks for coming on uh really enjoyed the talk i look forward to uh chat with you again. Yeah, thanks for hitting me up. Take care of yourself. Cheers. God, I loved that. I loved him.

Good. James Fitzgerald. Yeah. He'll keep the, he keeps the conversation big. I like it. Keeps it like open. 50. He's 50 he's a young man compared to me 50 so um i think my refrigerator is coming today. I haven't had a refrigerator for five days. God, it's going to be nice to get a refrigerator again. Oh, thank you, Matt.

Sousa fixed our Facebook thing. Oh, my wife has to leave at 940. See what happened in the world while I was doing the podcast I wonder for more getting Brooke ends back on she sent me a bunch of videos I think in regards to her faith before we went on I was kind of caught off guard by that Alright I did another new show The behind the scenes episode 1A and 1B are out You guys might have trouble finding

1B are out. You guys might have trouble finding 1B. They're getting kind of released weird. It's just the limitations of YouTube. You guys want to hear something funny it's it there's these there's these people maybe this should be a different show there's these people that listen to this show i don't know why it took me so long to figure this out there's two there's three of them There's these people that listen to this show. I don't know why it took me so long to figure this out. There's three of them.

And every single one of their comments is negative always in the comments. I can't figure out why they keep listening to this show. Who is it? It's our friend, 12 Daily Doses. It's this guy. Where's his fucking name? Jen's Master? I think it's a picture of a black dude.

I can't tell, but it's a girl's name. Jen's. Jen something. Jen Sentaster. and then there's this other one dc something 101 something i should have all three of them on at the same time and be like hey what why do you listen to the show And they all say some pretty illogical shit. Did you guys listen to the news show yesterday? Finnair is doing this thing. I guess all the airlines do it. Um,

according to the article that I was reading, but basically they have every, every five years, you have to basically come up with some sort of, you have to get, collect some data based on your passengers and how much luggage they bring on the plane. You have to figure out the average weight of your plane for safety reasons.

That's what the article said, right? So you can't have, I don't know if you guys, you can't be on a plane that's so fucking heavy that it can't take off in crashes i don't know if you guys remember that happened um i don't know 20 years ago there was a famous singer on some island the plane was too heavy and in it makes sense um obviously on all the private planes i've flown on it's it's always an issue always like it's all it's talked

about always on every private flight if you the the pilot that's one of the things he has to figure out the weight of the plane the the contents versus takeoff and all that stuff so finnair is weighing people and but weighing yourself is uh voluntary in order to figure out the average weight of the plane which doesn't make sense at all because i'm going to make the assumption that the people who are who don't want to be weighed it's because they're fat they weigh too much right so they're embarrassed which then means that it's probably not a very accurate assessment of the way of the plane. But regardless whether it's accurate or not is completely irrelevant as the big picture. The only relevancy is the safety of the plane.

We want the plane to be safe for all passengers regardless of if they have their feelings hurt, if they're fat or not. Is there anyone who disagrees with me on that? Is there anyone who thinks that it's okay for a plane to crash as long as the people's feelings aren't hurt? Is there even one person who thinks that the people's feelings are more important? Let's just entertain me. Let's just say it's a binary choice like that. The article is very clear. binary choice like that the article is very clear and then this guy um in the comments this is one of the haters it's dc 100 dc 100 this is the guy one of the guys always makes hateful comments

he writes it's voluntary because they are just gathering data it isn't changing the fuel load of the plane on the tarmac it's like why are you arguing that why are you arguing the point about the safety of liftoff of a plane and at that point it's like like I'm okay with, that's just now we're, in my mind, just at moronic status. And it's like, hey, you have to fucking just stop listening to this show. You have to. You're not even in the same,

for me, staying alive is like, fucking imperative. And we're not even, we're never gonna bridge our, I don't think, even with James' openness we're never gonna bridge our i don't think um even with james openness we're gonna bridge our gap brother i really don't think so uh jody lynn hi uh jody lynn i was so nervous uh for you about another combo with james and as usual you're so gracious why would anyone not want to be on your program? It's ridiculous. It was good. I was glad. And I think as as the conversation went, he the first 30 minutes, he seemed.

Almost like I was the first person he had talked to all morning, you know, I mean, he was the first person I talked to, but like he needed to warm up. But once he got going, he was amazing. I mean, he was never bad, but he definitely took a little while to warm up. Part 10 behind the scenes. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is going on, dude. You guys should ask for your money back. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. We've already started releasing the free ones. I don't know what's going on. We've already started releasing the free ones.

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I'll call Will right now. Branstetter, see what he says. You know that I'm trying to get access next year on the floor. Right? Yep. We're live. Can you make episode 10 live? Fuck it. Yeah.

Is there anything crazy in there? Any dick pics of Dave or anything crazy? No, there's nothing crazy until episode 13. Okay. Alright. Thank you. No problem. Okay. Episode 10 live. Thank you.

There you go. Done. Just like that. Alright. What's crazy? Is episode 11 supposed to be Wednesday? Or was episode 11 supposed to be Wednesday or was episode 11 supposed to be today? Oh,

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didn't even like he could be like, what are you doing calling me? I got a day job. I know, he's cool. Everybody needs, everyone needs a wingman like that. Dude, I got so many wingmen like that. It's so fucking cool. Like, you calling the show. Hiller makes me thumbnails sometimes.

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Made the point that if anyone comes on your show You're going to be the host And you're going to make them look so awesome, there's no reason why they can't be on the show. I have no idea why people wouldn't go on. It doesn't matter who it is. Dude, especially if you're looking for people. If Danny Spiegel came on here, I'd give her

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to win so bad. How stoked are you if you're a Chiefs fan? I guess you're pretty back to back. That doesn't happen anymore. It made me kind of want to watch, start watching football again. It was crazy. That was an incredible game.

Incredible game. Did you see Rich talk about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift? No. Rich Froning? Where? Where is that? He hit the nail on the fucking Swift? No. Rich Froning? Where? Where is that? Oh, he hit the nail on the fucking head, man. Where is it?

I saw it on a reel or something, Instagram. He was talking about how they show her so much. They're not showing anyone else's wives or partners or anything like that. It's just so nauseating. Enough's enough. My wife said, oh, Taylor Swift really is pretty. But I'm like, how can you you tell you can't even see her She's just covered in makeup like how

Would anyone know I'm riding her Jock so bad you could see How freaking bad they're riding her Jock that the second The Chiefs won the Super Bowl the second It wasn't the cuts to the Coach cuts the players

They cut to her celebrating in the freaking suite. What is it on his Instagram? You think, I don't know. Someone comments are going to say it. He was talking about Travis Kelsey and it's just like, he gets it, but it's just enough's enough already.

I don't know where it was. Um, uh, I never imagined rooting for the seven on rooting for the 49ers, dude. I was a diehard Niner and Raider fan as a kid. Remember I grew up in the Bay area, John,

John Young, Joe Montana. I remember the Shanahan took over for, what was the guy's name who died? Oh, the coach, the gray haired guy, Joe Montana's coach,

Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, the coach The gray haired guy Joe Montana's coach Bill Bill Walsh Bill Walsh, damn At least you got it from someone in the comments It was awesome because back in the day When I used to play Nintendo Tecmo Bowl, the 49ers were Freaking awesome because they had Roger Craig

He just ran through everyone Hey, that guy kind of reminds me of Roger Craig The 49ers were Freaking awesome because they had Roger Craig He just ran through everyone Hey that guy kind of reminds me of Roger Craig The 49ers running back The way he high steps like that Was Roger Craig white or black I can't even remember he's black right black guy Yeah he was amazing yeah he used to high step And like step on everyone

And this other guy is Craig's Lee or something He's a white guy oh Oh, look, Roger looks amazing still. Jesus. I thought OPT looked great too. Dang. That was the most unprepared I've ever been for a podcast. And I did it on purpose. I was like, okay.

I just want to go back and watch it. I just want to talk. I'm like, okay. I just want to go back and watch it. I just want to talk out of the gym. All right. I'll talk to you guys later. Okay. Hey, how's the gym real quick? Good. Freaking awesome.

I got 37 people signed up for the open. Oh, shit. You have 12 members, but 37 people signed up for the open. That's awesome. Yeah. It's so freaking crazy. That's crazy. How did you do that?

You just, you're just like, Hey guys, we're doing this. Sign up. I, I stressed the importance of challenging yourself, doing stuff that you're not comfortable with.

And I also made it an in-house competition teams of four. So it's not super pressure that it's going to be just you and like doing a leaderboard. You partner up with people, even the, uh, even level fitness and that. So even level fitness,

it'll balance out, uh, and have a DJ and have food. Uh, yeah, it's gonna be freaking awesome, man. Okay.

Awesome. Hey, I'll keep you posted. Okay. Thank you. Hold on a sec. I think maybe I'm in trouble. Okay.

I'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hey, I made episode 10 live. Yeah.

I'm still on the podcast. Yeah. It was James Fitzgerald yeah OPT okay bye no he's off it was great it was great

let me get back to the people the common people bye someone in Andrew are those bottles full of urine? That's crazy. That is crazy. Andrew's... I think Andrew's driving like a thousand miles today or something.

And he sent me a picture of his passenger seat. By the way, that's a really nice passenger seat. That's nice leather. And he's listening to the Sevan podcast. He's got his MacBook Pro and two bottles full of urine. Damn. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. My wife just said. Oh, shit. It's Best Buy. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit.

Shit. Shit. Shit. Oh shit, it's best buy shit shit shit shit shit shit Hi, yeah, someone called me from there for the delivery for my Refrigerator today. They called ten minutes ago. Sorry. I missed the call Okay, thank. Let me just pull up your information again. One second. Okay. Thank you. So it wasn't the driver calling? Oh, no.

If you're calling this number, it was likely me. Okay, cool. Thank you. Yeah. It's Yvonne, right? Okay. I think it was just a free call. How excited am I?

I'm getting a new refrigerator. I'm so excited. I haven't had a refrigerator excited am I? I'm getting a new refrigerator. I'm so excited. I haven't had a refrigerator in five days. I'm like a caveman. Yeah. All right. Yes. So it was just a 30-minute pre-call, just to let you know they're on the way.

That's all. So that was about 10 minutes ago. They'll be pulling up soon, maybe like another 15 minutes or so. But they'll also call you again upon arrival as well as knock at the door. So just keep an eye on your phone, okay? A pre-call. I'm going to start using that on my wife. Here I come,

honey. 30 minutes. Warning. Perfect. Lovely. Alright. Alright. Thank you. Okay. Have a great day. Thank you. You too as well. Bye. She didn't I don't know. How too as well. Bye. She didn't. I don't know. How did that joke go over?

I don't know. She. I don't know. Pre-call. Okay. Well, cool. Shit. I better turn my ringer on my phone.

Uh. All right. Sorry about this. You guys are going to listen to me do my all my domestic shit. Yeah, she did sound like she sounded like Rosie. Hi. Hi. Sorry.

We're on the air. Oh, so I called Best Buy. The guy's on his way. It's a 30-minute pre-call, pre-call. Hmm, that's nice of them. Yeah. Okay, and I have to leave here around 940 to take Ari. Okay, cool.

And then, uh, I guess I just have to put the dog away and make sure there's a route for him to bring in the new fridge and take out the old one. Yeah, and feel free to throw anything away that you think went bad. log away and make sure there's a route for him to bring in the new fridge and take out the old one. Yeah. And feel free to throw anything away that you think went bad. Yeah.

Everything. Oh, I'll just, I don't know. Do you think Tabasco sauce? You can take everything out of the fridge and just set it on the counter. I'll come in and do it now. Okay.

Okay. Love you. Bye. Oh, I want to hang out guys. I'd have to pee. Sorry. I love you guys.

Jody. Thanks for the loot. Have a great day, everyone. Bye. Episode 10 is live for the members. Bye. Bye.