The Sevan Podcast - Jorge Ventura | Border Crisis EXPERT

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

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Thank you guys for joining us. Dan, what's up, dude? Working overtime today. The thing is this, this guy that's about to come on, I consider him the foremost expert on reporting from the border, Jorge Ventura. So anytime I can get him on I'm stoked and so every like maybe like once a month I'll be like Jorge can you come on and he'll be like doing something where he can't and so I'm always ready to do a last minute Jorge Ventura podcast

and so I've been bugging him a little bit because what's heating up there so today I'm like hey dude can you do it and he's always cool he always responds yes or no and today I'm like, hey, dude, can you do it? And he's always cool. He always responds yes or no. And today he's like, yeah, let's roll. And look, there he is. How we doing, bro? What's up? Holy cow. So stoked to see you.

I know, dude. It's been a while, right? We haven't done one in like six months, maybe. It's been a minute. Can you hear me okay i just switched microphones yeah yeah i can hear you uh holy cow where are you right now i am in a hotel in eagle pass texas so we are on the border um just for some context for the viewers, guys. Eagle Pass has kind of been the epicenter of this border crisis. Last month, this area got around 2,000 people a day. If you guys seen those images where there's like thousands of migrants waiting to be apprehended, it was here in Eagle

Pass. They're averaging 2,000 people a day. There was actually one day where over 4,000 crossed illegally in one time. You got Texas State Troopers here, Border Patrol. You also got Florida State Troopers. I don't know if people know this, but Florida State Troopers are still here on the border. They've been deployed for distances for over a year. And if you guys have been seeing the news lately, Eagle Pass is also the area where there's an area called Shelby Park that basically Texas came in and took full control. They kicked out Border Patrol agents and said, no, we are going to basically have our own command center. We're going to put up a bunch of more that concertina wire and block migrants from entering.

The Supreme Court actually ruled today that Border Patrol agents have the right to cut through that concertina wire that Texas has installed. So a lot of drama. But here in Eagle Pass has kind of been, what I say, the epicenter so far this last couple months. Hey, where is this thing that we're hearing about? I don't know if they're being hyperbolic about it, but they're saying it could be the start of a civil war. Is that at Eagle Pass? Yeah. Basically, you have the state of Texas going against the White House. Talk to us like we're idiots.

Talk to us like we're little kids because no detail is too small, too small by the way like pretend like we don't know shit please okay go yeah so so really quick guys so there's a there's an area called shelby park on the border and it's an area where it's been a hot spot for migrant crossings now so many migrants come at once that border patrol they've used this park to what they call it's a staging area meaning that let's say they get like 100 of migrants to come. They basically have these migrants wait there. There's Border Patrol agents there, but they have them wait there as they wait for buses to come, transport the migrants and take them to a processing center. So they call that a staging area. So what Texas is doing is Texas came in about a little bit more than a week ago and kicked all the Border Patrol agents out and said,

no, no, no, no, we don't want this to be a staging area. We want to block migrants from even coming into the U.S. So they essentially kicked out Border Patrol in a way that we've never seen before. How does that work? Explain that to me. So how many, are there like 50 Border Patrol agents there? Or were there 100? You're basically saying Border Patrol agents work for the federal government and you're saying the texas uh um police versus the federal police the texas police came in and said hey we don't want you here anymore what are the size of

these groups so it you know it it it varies but there's basically there's hundreds of border patrol agents here in Eagle Pass. This area of Shelby Park, it's about two and a half miles long. Wow. Essentially, this is kind of like the detail that I want to add kind of before we even get into it. Okay. Essentially, if you're a migrant and you set foot on U.S. soil, Border Patrol agent has to basically, by federal law, basically take you in, apprehend you, or do whatever. It has to be up to Border Patrol agent has to basically, you know, by federal law, basically take you in, apprehend you or do whatever. It has to be up to Border Patrol. Texas is playing the role of,

they don't even want that to happen. They actually want to block migrants. So that's why they're putting Constantina wire. I don't know if you guys seen, but there's been viral videos of where you see actual, like, like Texas National Guard with riot shields, like blocking migrants from entering, you know, going through Costa Tijuana. So what basically I was speaking to the governor of Montana. What he says is you basically have dual missions between what the federal government is doing and then with the state. Right now, if you're if you're a migrant, you cross illegally. That's why if you guys ever see my videos and I mentioned this to you several times, bro, is when under Biden, migrants are not scared of Border Patrol. Meaning that like once they cross in the U.S., they actually look for Border Patrol because they want to be processed because they know that there's kind of a catch and release program that they'll be released inside the United States. Texas wants to stop any of that.

So they don't they don't they don't want migrants. There's actual meeting areas. stop any of that so they don't they don't they don't want migration there's actual meeting areas it's an there's actual meeting areas and where they know the border patrol waits for them because they know that like you said thousands are going to cross exactly so they can't just push them back they can't just push them back so i mean the thing is border patrol right now is they're not playing any role of like deterrence so that when i speak to agents who are morale is really low obviously with this number of crossings what agents tell me is that essentially they've been they're now turned into basically uber drivers for migrants meaning that they don't block migrants from entering once my migrants enter

illegally they look for border patrol agents and a lot of these agents now their shifts are literally driving a basically a school bus going down to the border, picking up 100 migrants, take them to a processing center, and then repeat that process for like eight hours in a day. So that's why also morale is low because you're not seeing agents do the blocking and deterring. That's where Texas is trying to play a different role. They said, hey, we want to play the deterrence role. We want to play the blocking. That's why Texas has put shipping containers that constantina wire we're seeing now um the texas military now be kind of wearing these uh riot shields and then block migrants from entering so we're seeing this historic battle

between the state of texas and now the federal government in a way that we've really never seen before who's in who's in the right is is tech is this um is like like to the letter of the law i'm not saying like what we want obviously a lot of us want a country where there's a border and people get to come in not illegally but legally so we can track them and they can follow the laws and the rules but who's in the right here who does the state of texas have the right to um lay all of this barbed wire there and tell the federal agents hey don't move it who has the right there who has the the rule of law there so so so texas has the right to basically do what they just did where they just kick out federal agents kind of take control of this land now this is where it's going to get tricky just

because we've never seen this before is that concertina wire is technically owned by the city of Eagle Pass that's been installed by the state of Texas. That's been allowed by the city. Now, you have the Supreme Court saying, well, Border Patrol agents have the right, if they're on the border, to cut through that concertina wire. And where we've seen this in the past is where you have a migrant essentially on the river, on the other side of that Constantino wire, Border Patrol essentially will cut through that wire and then take that migrant in. That happens a few times now where you either have migrants – Are they obligated? Let me stop you one more time, Jorge.

Are they obligated to do that by federal law? Are they obligated to cut the wire? That's where – as a border reporter, I'm learning about this, but this is where they are obligated. So technically, when that migrant reaches that Constantino wire, if we're being technical, they're already on U.S. soil because one half of the Rio Grande belongs to Mexico, the other half American. So basically, if you're a migrant, and right when you get to the middle of the Rio Grande, technically you are on American soil, and then that issue is basically taken by the federal government so if you're a border patrol

agent you have to apprehend these migrants that's where Texas has come in and put that layers of Constantino water and like basically Texas is saying we don't care if you're taking on American soil but you're not you're not going to enter um into Shelby Park or that or that area now if you're a migrant all you really have to do, if we're just being honest, is just walk another mile or two down that river, and eventually you'll find a Border Patrol agent, and eventually you'll have to be taken in. So when I spoke with Texas DPS, because I've done interviews with, like, they're basically the top officials of Texas DPS. Wait, wait, so bear with me. Texas, what's the acronym you're using?

DPS, which is Department of Public Safety. They're the ones who assign the state troopers on the border. Okay. They've been deployed to the border by the governor. So this all has been, and that operation is called Operation Lone Star, where Governor Greg Abbott has deployed Texas state troopers on the border. And what's interesting here, bro, I forgot to actually mention is if you're a single adult migrant, right? So let's say you're a male or female single adult. If you cross illegally right now into Shelby Park, Texas DPS is waiting for you,

the state troopers, and they are arresting migrants and then charging them for criminal trespass. And now if you're a family and you managed to enter illegally, Texas DPS will still take you to Border Patrol, so they'll let U.S. Border Patrol handle that because obviously there's kids involved. That's going to be a whole other scenario. But if you're a single male or an adult and you cross illegally and it shall be passed,

Texas DPS is actively arresting migrants right now, even charging them with criminal trespass. Talking about DPS is comparable to California Highway Patrol. Okay. Yeah, that's actually a good comparison. So let's dig in there a second. Where do they take these gentlemen when they charge them?

Do they actually arrest them, cuff them, zip tie them, and take them to a holding facility? So they'll take them actually to the local jail, and then it'll be up to the judge whether to charge that migrant with a misdemeanor. What Texas DPS was telling me is they find this important because now that migrant has a criminal record in the U.S., if they try to reenter again illegally. What's going to be interesting now is today the news came down. This was actually a great day to do the episode is today the Supreme Court ruled on the side of Biden. So tomorrow is going to be fascinating because I'm going to be at Shelby Park. So I'll be inside where Texas EPS has kicked the feds out. And we'll see if Border Patrol just comes in. We'll see if there's a battle at the gate.

I mean, we really don't know. We're in some really unfamiliar territory. So this is all really going to get really interesting. You know, there's going to be a bunch of legal battles. But as of right now, the state of Texas is kind of like holding their ground. And they're not allowing Border Patrol agents in today. Also, the attorney general for the state of Texas, who is Ken Paxton. I don't know, Simon, if we could pull up his tweets or whatever here, because I know I know we've done that in the past.

But he he's he's saying, hey, we're going to we're going to fight this. So right now, tell me, Jorge, tell me your Instagram account. It'll be a Jorge VenturaTV, I believe it should be. Yeah. Let me double check. I don't have anyone working the back end. That's why we haven't been pulling anything up, and I apologize. No worries.

No worries. But I do want to – is that correct? I wanted to add your Instagram account down here so anyone who wants to – you can watch this. I'm not joking. This is the premier border journalist in our lifetime. We're so lucky to have Jorge here. If you want to watch this stuff unfold on real time, make sure you follow him on Instagram. And he brings all this stuff. I want to go back to this thing. Did you say that some people are being deported by DPS once they get arrested?

If they get arrested, the judge can deport them. And how does that work? So basically, the judge would decide whether to charge that migrant criminally with criminal trespassing it's a mess meter it won't be a felony charge and then they could spend some time in jail but after that dps will technically refer that migrant back to u.s customs border patrol so it'll be up to border patrol what they do after that if that migrant is deported and it tries to enter illegally again, what Texas DPS is telling me is they find this system important because technically then that migrant will have already a criminal history. It will be on record instead of just kind of being expelled with no type of record. At the end of the day, that migrant still has to be referred to Border Patrol because Border Patrol is the one who at the end of the day is going to make the decision to deport.

You know, they'll do their own kind of processing and they'll kind of go from there. But as we know, and as you guys have been following my work and we've spoken on this podcast multiple times, majority of migrants or not a good chunk are still being released inside the US with what's called an NTA. That's a notice to appear in court. I've interviewed numerous of these migrants that have been released inside the United States that actually don't have court till about 2027. Now we're finding out court dates as far as 2030. So what does that mean really quick, right? So if you don't have a court date to 2030, what does this mean? That means that migrant now is technically legally allowed to be in the U.S. Now, they might

not be legally allowed to work, but they are legally allowed in the U.S. The other flip side of the story is now you have Democratic governors like New York and Illinois and Colorado saying, we're taking in so many migrants. It's running up the bill for taxpayers. They're pressuring Biden to basically allow these migrants to get expedited work permits to be allowed to work. But what's interesting is, you're actually, like I said, the other side of the story is you have Democratic governors saying, we are taking too many migrants. It's running up the taxpayer funds. And this is just a quick stat. In New York right now, New York City on average is spending $8 million a day on taxpayer funds just to house migrants. So that's $8 million a day.

According to the mayor's office, they believe that in about three, four years fiscally, they could be spending up to $12 billion just housing migrants. So what you have right now is you have Democratic governors even trying to urge the federal government to do something about the humanitarian crisis. Massachusetts has recently came out and was asking residents, hey, if you have an extra room or two in your house and you can take in migrants, please help us. So it's – Is anyone doing that? Have you heard of anyone doing that? No. No, no, no, not right now.

I think the most liberal person as of right now hasn't even done that. But what's interesting is last time that I spoke to you, yes, we've had Democrats complain about this issue, but now it's really turning a tide and it's really becoming a political vulnerability for Biden. So we'll see how this kind of story unfolds. But last month was key in this immigration story because last month broke the record for the most migrant encounters. We're talking about over 300,000 migrants were encountered in just a month. That's essentially more than the population of the city of Cincinnati entering the United States. Is that December of 2023? You're saying there were 300,000 encounters. Exactly. And that's still not counting what we call the gotaways. So those are the individuals that enter the U.S. illegally that were detected by Border Patrol technology, but they did not have the manpower to apprehend those migrants. Another thing, I know I'm rambling here. No, no, no.

Go, go, go. I'm writing down questions for you for all this. I just released a story today on my Instagram. So if you guys are interested in this story, check it out. But there's a Venezuelan prison gang who has known gang members crossing illegally into the United States right now. There's a 23-year-old Venezuelan migrant, a part of this Venezuelan prison gang. I believe it's called Tren de Aregua. I believe is how you how you pronounce this gang. They have a strong foot, a stronghold, I should say, in Miami. Obviously, Miami has a huge Venezuelan population already.

So they've kind of embedded in the migrant population. And one one of their members, he's a 23 year old, just got charged for murder in South Florida. So we now know that this gang is actively in the U.S. according to some sources that I spoke with who actually gave me the information. This gang is in Miami, New York and Chicago, but they have the stronghold in Miami. But we do know they have a presence in Chicago. Actually, Chicago Police Department in November got a warning to its officers saying, hey, watch out for known gang members who might be living in the Venezuelan migrant population in Chicago. So now you have kind of the national security aspect of this story kind of developing. And now we now we have confirmation that there's

this Venezuelan prison gang now operating inside the United States. So. Is anyone ever has anyone is has anyone ever been deported during the Biden administration? If you come across the border, does anyone ever get deported? No, no. People are getting deported. The thing is it's not at the rate that a lot of folks are going to want it at. What's the determination of deportation? Like why do some people get to come over? A lot of folks are going to want it as, but I mean – What's the determination of deportation? Like why do some people get to come over? A bunch of questions.

Why do some people get to stay and some get deported? How are they deported? Are they flown like down to Argentina and be like, okay, start the trek again? And I guess those are the two things. How do they deport them and how do they choose who to deport because the news is making it look like no one's getting deported so individuals are getting reported but it's at a really low low rate um and we know what the rate is do we know is it five percent why don't they deport everyone why don't they deport everyone we don't have the the uh exact right now how it's

normally supposed to be under immigration law is if you come in illegally, and let's say you go through the asylum claim. So basically a judge has to, has to weigh in. If you have a credible fear for an asylum claim, if you don't, you're technically supposed to be deported after that, because you don't have a legal right to stay in the U S if you do, then you'll go through the immigration process. You could be in the U S now under Trump, things are a little bit different because while you're going through the asylum claim, Trump had you remain in Mexico. That's very different, obviously, under under Biden. Now, if you and this now the other aspect is, is the U.S. has to have agreements with some of these countries. So let's say you come in from Turkey and they want to deport you back to Turkey. let's say you come in from Turkey and they want to deport you back to Turkey.

It's a bit difficult if the Turkish government doesn't have kind of an agreement with the U.S. to take in those individuals. So right now we do have agreements with like the Haitian government, Guatemala, El Salvador, and a few others to just deport migrants illegally. Now, some are going to be tougher than others. Now, if you are an individual, like a single male or single female crossing illegally, the chances of you getting deported are pretty high because you're not coming in with a family. If you don't know any individuals in the US that have a sponsor, you have a pretty high chance. The thing is under the Biden administration is many of these are going to what they call NTA. So it's going to an immigration court, but the courts are so backed up with the backlog. I think right now there's 3 million cases in the backlog, which is

just, I mean, physically it's impossible. I can't even believe that there's 3 million illegal aliens. Why do we call them migrants and not illegal aliens? I mean, there's different terms. I go with migrant because that's just like the neutral term when it comes to reporting. And a lot of it a lot of these migrants when they do get released they're after that they're technically illegally allowed to be in in the u.s um so i go with someone broke into your house you you and you would call them what you could call them a trespasser but it's also a home invasion yeah i mean you could honestly you could go i mean with with the term that you feel you know whatever i just go with migrant it's it's what people don't understand it and this is gonna you know maybe maybe you might disagree with my viewpoint here but is if

you just go with the reporting of saying illegal immigrants all the time you you're reporting this starts to become where where only a certain part of the population is looking at that reporting and that population usually already agrees with you so if so if i start reporting always with the word illegal immigrant or migrant only conservatives will start to read what i what i post and things and the thing is the right already knows that this is an issue if that makes sense right i want to i want to be getting folks from all different backgrounds to look at this issue um because it is a humanitarian crisis okay um uh extra sloppy says i think more people were deported by biden and trump but that would make sense because there's significantly more crossing the border right

yeah i mean more more people under obama were were deported under under trump um i don't know if that stat is real if more people were if more migrants were deported under Biden than Trump. But I mean, it also might not be surprising because Biden is letting in, I mean, it's not even close. I mean, the amount of illegal immigration. All the illegal immigration records are being set under Biden right now, including migrant deaths. I think that's something that we also forget is we're having a record number of migrants die at the border. And where I'm at here in Eagle Pass, it's one of the epicenters because of the Rio Grande River. They're averaging about a drowning a day, including including kids. So that's that's an issue that usually mainstream corporate media doesn't talk about is the humanitarian cost of this, of kids dying and drowning in the Rio Grande River.

That's another aspect of the story. And like I said, here in Eagle Pass, the average of drowning a day, I've done interviews with the Eagle Pass Fire Department because they're the ones usually who have to do the rescue or the recovering of the bodies. So many migrants are dying here in Eagle Pass. Local cemeteries are running out of room. The local sheriff actually had to order what they call freezer trailers from the state of Texas to start storing some of these deceased bodies because they don't have any room for the cemeteries. Also, they have another challenge of even trying to identify some of these migrant bodies. So they don't even know what country they're from. And then even if they do identify them, it's nine

times out of 10 that that country doesn't even want to take in that deceased body anyway. So if a migrant from Venezuela had drowned here in the Rio Grande and they were able to identify that body, I mean, the Venezuelan government isn't going to take in that deceased body. So essentially, the local officials here in Eagle Pass are essentially stuck with an issue that, once again, it's the federal government that's supposed to be solving this issue, not up to, you know, little local Eagle Pass local officials to solve this. Jorge, in Seattle, you know, there's all the drug addicts on the street. They call them homeless, but taking care of the drug addicts has become an industry. It's a billion dollar industry. Is deportation and border crossing and this whole phenomenon we're seeing, is there a business around it also? So when I speak with folks would because there's a lot of kind of theories of why would a federal government allow this map, this amount of mass illegal immigration?

So right now, what you do have is you do have NGOs who sometimes book the travel for these migrants in the federal government is reimbursing them. So then you have kind of that aspect of, you know, the more migrants we take in, the technically more money some of these NGOs are making. So you have that aspect of the U.S. essentially have this huge new labor workforce that they don't have to pay the same rate that they would have to do for American workers. Now, we are now finding out that some of that is true. And actually, the New York Times has done great reporting on this, where a lot of these migrant children who are coming into the U.S. are actually working in factories for like, I think like five bucks an hour, four bucks an hour. It's kind of happening all over the kind of the Midwest and factories. So New York Times has done

an investigation where they're fighting a lot of these kids. There's a lot of what I say is, let me stop there. If you guys remember back around 2016, maybe a little bit before that, Bernie Sanders does an interview with a progressive reporter and the progressive reporter asked Bernie Sanders, you know, why don't we allow all the poor people in the world to come in the U.S. and, you know, you know, start working and, you know, could make a living for themselves. And Bernie Sanders says that's a Koch brothers conspiracy saying if you allow that much mass immigration, it's going to hurt American workers and wages. And essentially you have corporations that could just hire this huge new labor force and then don't have to pay American workers and families. That's essentially

what we're seeing right now with this amount of mass illegal immigration. And you have also migrant children working in factories. So that once again, that hurts American workers and wages. And just talking about the political angle here, because a lot of interesting things are happening. Back in 2016, right, so that's when Trump beats Hillary Clinton for the first time he becomes president. Trump ran obviously on tough border, right? The whole build the wall was tough on border. When you start to see, if you look at voting demographics and trends, Black men started flocking to the Republican Party. And the reason why Black men started voting GOP is because a lot of Black men are competing with illegal migrants when it comes to these factory jobs.

So when you have tougher immigration law, it actually benefits black men. And I think we're starting to see some of that trend back in 2024, where you're seeing the Republican Party obviously be staunch on immigration. You're seeing the Democratic Party being soft on this issue. And that's why we also see Black men once again start to trend towards the GOP because they directly know immigration competes with their wages. So these are some of these issues that we have to pay attention to. Obviously, when it comes to white uneducated college voters, they've kind of been on this trend pretty early. But I find that one pretty interesting. So pay attention to that. But that's kind of another kind of been on this trend pretty early, but I find that one pretty interesting. So pay attention to that. But that's kind of another kind of theory I would say is huge labor force that could basically compete with the American worker.

What about this? I heard some crazy stats today that 12 million illegal aliens voted in the last Arizona election. I mean, that sounds crazy to me. Can illegal migrants vote? So as of right now, illegal migrants can't vote. They have to be a citizen. They cannot. They cannot.

They cannot, yeah. Okay. Now I got to look at, now, I know there's some states where, like, city level, they're trying to let migrants, like, vote for, like, city council and stuff. So that's a particularly different case. I have to find out what exactly cities are doing you've heard that theory right where the democrats are letting in all of these migrants to get votes is there any is there any is there any weight to that argument i mean there's definitely a way to that i think um i forgot the the city council woman's name but she she was in New York and she kind of said the quiet part out loud where she says, hey, we need more voters in my district, which she was asked about illegal immigration.

So you have that aspect as well. And like I said, would they be voting illegally then? Is there an expectation that they would vote illegally? I mean, as of right now, I don't see how any way that that would be able to happen um and it's but no no migrant right now could like could basically vote in like a presidential election um but obviously this is the long game if you want to make the theory in that argument of that case is you know in a couple years or a few years that migrant um could start voting in elections. And are we seeing illegal migrants become police officers in California? We have yet to see that. I know that some states have talked about that, but we haven't seen that in California. Now, obviously, that could change. Now,

for those who pay attention, the golden state recently opened up um health care for illegal migrants that the state will pay for so you have that aspect so but we don't have where you know legal migrants are being hired as cops uh i would say just yet because this border story has been getting crazier and crazier so um anything new like this doesn't it doesn't surprise me anymore uh jorge when um during the uh so-called pandemic, there was – and still is now – kids were forced to take drugs that were prescribed by the federal government or by the state governments, federal governments, so that they could go to school. Kids, if they didn't take the drugs that were mandated, they couldn't go to their universities. They couldn't go to their schools. Were there mass injection programs at the border that the illegals were getting? Was every illegal given the injection? No, and there was no requirement. What was actually interesting is we did a report back in 2021, I think, in McAllen and these migrants.

And it was at that time where I think businesses were shut down. But like in California, we couldn't even go to restaurants unless we proved we were injected. So I would have to assume that to come in the country, and like Novak Djokovic couldn't play in a tournament here, the greatest tennis player who ever lived because he wasn't injected. Are you telling me that there wasn't, it wasn't like, okay, come in, but you have to take this injection. That wasn't even mandated?

Not only was that not mandated, but when those migrants entered illegally, they actually did not even were not even required to take COVID tests. And this was proven to me by me. I spoke to these migrants, like at least like 20 of them. And they said we weren't required. Then not only that, but then they were released into the public. And then they were released after an NGO coordinated the travel with a plane ticket to essentially like their state of their choosing so not only were they not required um to even take a COVID test but then they were put on planes and buses with the American public you know during the time of you know COVID and kind of kind of the whole the whole crazy craziness with with government um overreach it it kind of makes it seem like it was um FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling winning which beats even the 27th best feeling saying i do who wants this last parachute

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And look, that's how a lot of people feel and also inside Border Patrol. You know, so that's why morale is low. The other interesting... Because they probably had to take the injection, right? The Border Patrol probably, to keep their job, had to take the injection. Yeah, absolutely. And, um, and this is also coming with agents who had already got COVID. So they already had a natural immunity. They still, they still had to take it, but no migrants are not required to, uh, to take it and they can, they can answer legally. Um, but yeah, if you were,

if you were a tennis star and you wanted like to fly in and do it legal way and into an airport and everything, apparently that was illegal during that time. But another kind of thing that we've been reporting on that I think will find your viewers pretty interesting is we're still seeing a massive surge of Chinese nationals crossing into the U.S. illegally. And the reason why the Chinese is a particularly interesting story is obviously they're coming from China. It's a country that the United States doesn't have the best relationship with. Technically, the federal government has these Chinese nationals labeled as what they call special interest aliens. So they want to make sure they do deep background checks on these individuals, make sure they're not connected as members of the Communist Chinese Party.

What makes the Chinese particularly interesting in this kind of immigration story is that once they make it to Mexico, Mexican cartels look at Chinese as a valuable commodity. And what I mean by that is a Chinese migrant is willing to pay up to $35,000 to be smuggled to the US southern border. Whereas a Venezuelan migrant, maybe the most they could offer is 6,000, maybe even less than that. So anytime you see Chinese migrants coming in illegally, always notice that they don't look tired or look dirty because they don't have to do these large caravans in Mexico with Venezuelans, Cubans, and Haitians. They're essentially told where to fly in, what hotels to get, and smugglers coordinate their travel. What's key in the Chinese immigration story is the country of Ecuador.

And what I mean by Ecuador is Ecuador right now does not require a travel for Chinese citizens. So right now, thousands of Chinese citizens, what they do is they fly into Ecuador. From there, smugglers coordinate the travel to an area called Neocoli, Colombia. From Neocoli, Colombia, they'll take boats with smugglers and they'll get to Panama. And then from Panama, they go through the Darien Gap and then they'll eventually make it into Mexico. And that's where Mexican cartels and criminal smugglers will then coordinate that travel and then get them to the U.S. southern border. So in December, early

December, I was in an area called Jacumba Hot Hot Springs, California. It's right next to San Diego, about 60 miles east, really remote area. And we continually ran into Chinese nationals every day. I actually had one of my videos went pretty viral where I took a video. It's about 40 seconds long and it got a group of 40 Chinese, no, 400 Chinese men, Chinese nationals who just crossed, and they're coming in record numbers. So that's also another area to pay attention to is these Chinese nationals that are coming, and it's all starting with the country of Ecuador. So that's something that, folks, you got to remember is every nationality kind of has a different story on how to get to the U.S. because of travel visas, what country helps them out. Nicaragua plays also a huge role

in this because Nicaragua allows a lot of migrants to directly fly into Nicaragua and actually skip the Darien Gap and then kind of continue their journey into the U.S., man. So the Chinese one is an important one to kind of keep your eye on as this whole thing continues to develop. Yeah, it's interesting. And so I wonder if those countries have some sort of pretty obvious economic incentive to reduce the barrier to entry for those nationalities, especially knowing that the Chinese are coming with money. So it's probably a good deal for Ecuador. We're doing more research into this as we're getting more data, but there has to be a way where they're profiting. And there's been different agreements between Ecuador and China in the past. Nicaragua was an interesting one as well, because I was interviewing a Cuban who told me that Cubans essentially fly to Nicaragua because Nicaragua doesn't require a travel visa from Cubans because of the coziness of relationship between Castro and Cuba. And then Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua, both leftist regimes. What's fascinating is what this Cuban told me is that to get a one-way ticket from Cuba to Nicaragua,

it's about $5,000 for that flight ticket. And the reason why it's around $5,000 is because Cuban officials know that once that Cuban takes that flight to Nicaragua, they are not coming back. You know, they're basically gone. So the Cuban government has basically right now is profiting off the humanitarian crisis by descending Cubans that are paying $5,000, flying to Nicaragua, knowing that they won't come back. And basically what a Cuban migrant told me is the airline workers kind of joke, too. So when you land in Nicaragua, the Cuban airline workers will be like hey guys enjoy your vacation we'll see you in a week or two

basically knowing that you know that mike that that cuban is never coming back and then essentially they're going to go into the u.s you know jorge i heard a story where um there were there were busing companies and um they were getting about five thousand dollars ahead for transporting uh illegals out of the state of Texas. I was told that they also get $1,200 cash and a phone. Is there any truth to that story? So right now, and this is when a lot of people reach out to me. So the whole busing thing, that is done directly under the state of Texas.

The busing thing, that is done directly under the state of Texas. Now, there are buses where an NGO will pay that busing company, and then they'll take migrants basically to New York or wherever those migrants want to go. So right now, busing companies, are they making money? Yes, but it's not like in a legal way. It's not like this odd per head. It's basically an NGO contracting that busing company, or same thing here, state of Texas contracting that company. And there's also nothing illegal going on with the migrants. Migrants know where they're going. They approve this. They're not being forced. They're not saying, hey, get on this bus to Illinois. You have to go. It's migrants

who basically want to go. And the state of Texas is essentially paying for the travel or their end or an ngo is paying for the travel now as of right now we've we found no proof of migrants essentially going to a location even given like um twelve hundred dollars in cash we we heard rumors where they were given like five thousand dollar debit cards by ngos we just haven't found any of that um but i mean what are they getting get basic services from ngos like could it could they get them a cell phone i mean sure um i mean the cell phone is not the hardest thing in the world to get you know right now sometimes border patrol gives himself get some cell phones with just really basic services um this is also for border patrol to know where that migrant is so yes the federal government has has done this but not i we haven't had anything regarding the

money part where you're getting $1,200 or they're getting $5,000. We haven't found that. Are they handing out phones? Are they handing out phones by the thousands? That isn't happening. What's odd is everything is like a case by case. So this isn't happening on a mass scale. The money part for sure isn't happening. I mean, we would have got wind of that really early, and that's something that would have got exposed, if something like that. Even the story was even reporting that people were getting money,

then they would cross back in a phone, cross back into Mexico, come back again, and they were basically just rotating it out. But you've just heard rumblings of it. You have no proof of that. You haven't seen a center like that or any agent tell you that. Yeah. And I would advise a lot of your viewers is maybe folks who are posting this, sometimes there's just a political commentator, meaning that essentially a political commentator, they could just say this without having to prove it.

I'm in the role as a journalist, meaning that I can't say something if we don't have the proof we reported or we saw it. So everything that I'm talking about is things that we basically have verified. We saw it. It is a fact. That's how we could talk about it. So people, you know, it's easy to say, you know, migrants are coming in, they're getting $5,000 debit cards. I get that. If you're a commentator, you can say that you could rile up your audience. But as a reporter, you know, I can't go and make those claims without you know and everything like that we saw um a guy being interviewed on uh the nation saw a guy being interviewed on fox in new york city the other day and he was saying we get here and it's not what we expected and things are bad and we basically are have to resort to stealing have

you is is there is there an uptick in crime so there there an uptick in crime? So there is an uptick in crime. So if you, right now Chicago, what they're fighting is they're fighting a lot of, not a lot, but kind of a gang of Venezuelans have been committed robberies. Uh-oh. You froze.

Did Jorge freeze for you guys or just for me? It looks like my connection is strong. Anybody? Did he freeze for you guys? I don't see Jorge moving. About this and the issue surrounding it, they're embarrassed and incompetent to stop it. Yeah, frozen. Okay, maybe he'll log off and come back in. Man, he's just a fucking firehose of information, right? I mean, he's seen so much. Let me see. I'm going to kick Jorge from the studio.

And let's see if we can get him back send him the link maybe his phone died for all we know right and bam resend him a link see what pops up let me know if you have any questions you'd like to pile in here too okay Venezuelan gang in Chicago

there are some reports of some stealing there I don too. Okay. Venezuelan gang in Chicago. There are some reports of stealing there. I don't want to say Venezuelan gang, but there are individuals inside the migrant Venezuelan community that are committing crimes right now in Chicago. Robbing stores, assault is also happening in New York City as well. What you have right now is let's just talk about Chicago, New York right now. You have two cities who are taking in hundreds of thousands of migrants and have now completely overwhelmed. Shelters are overrun. There is no space for migrants. Why did they take in those migrants? Why are they taking in those migrants? Well, so two reasons this is happening. This is not because New York openly said, we want to take in migrants. New York City

has openly said, we are a sanctuary city. We're not going to deny migrants. We want to be a city with open arms. And they also get housing there, right? The implications of a sanctuary city is you can come here, we won't let ICE come and get you, and we'll give you shelter.

Yes. Now, I've got to look at Chicago's laws, but New York has a right to shelter law. So meaning the city has to show to you if you are a homeless person. Now, the mayor, who is a Democrat, supporter of Biden, the situation has gotten so out of hand, even the mayor wants to suspend that rule because they've been completely overwhelmed. So you have, and just answer your first question of why the city took them in. First of all, they're sanctuary cities. The other aspect is the state of Texas turned it up a notch. And what I mean by that is when they got overwhelmed, they said, you know what?

Let's have you guys deal with it. So they started putting those migrants on buses and just started sending them to New York and Chicago. So the city's essentially sent And they've sent that many. They've sent – so if there's – let's say just for easy math, there's 100 people per bus, and let's say there's 100,000 migrants in New York. Do you think New York has sent 1,000 busloads of migrants up to New York? Do you think Texas has done that? No, Chicago has sent a good amount, but still the majority are still arriving from nonprofits and NGOs.

They're the ones who are calling in to travel. So do you think that these NGOs – why are they doing that? Are they doing that to please Governor Abbott? No. So what they do is they basically tell the migrant, hey, where do you want to go? Like where's your final destination? What is it? Why?

Give me an example of what an NGO is. Why are they doing that? Where are they getting their money from? They're like Catholic charities on the border, right? And the Border Patrol, a while back, the federal government made an agreement with an NGO saying, if essentially we get too overwhelmed with the amount of migrants that come, we'll hand them off to you after we've done the processing and you take care of the travel, meaning two ways. Either you get a family member to pay for their bus ticket or plane ticket to whatever state they want to go to or that migrant or whatever.

Or the NGO will basically purchase it themselves. So that charity will buy the ticket. So let's say you want to go to Indianapolis. OK, we'll put you on a bus or ticket to Indianapolis. They'll have that receipt and then show it to the federal government, and the federal government is going to reimburse that NGO. So it's not just all on Governor Abbott. No. The federal government is offering relief to the state of Texas by causing chaos in other places, and people are choosing Denver, Chicago.

Remember, these NGOs just want to get these folks to the final destination because NGOs are also overwhelmed themselves. Even the NGO themselves is running out of room. So they say, where do you want to go? And they say, we got family in New York. All right, boom, you're going to New York. Where do you want to go? We want to go to Denver, Chicago.

And that's where those migrants are headed. What's interesting, man, is notice how these Democratic mayors, they only criticize the state of Texas when they do it, but they never criticize the federal government when they send migrants to their cities. So basically, these cities have taken in so many migrants that they can no longer shelter them. And then you have the aspect where these migrants technically are not illegally allowed to work. So if you're a migrant in Chicago, and let's say you're sleeping in a Chicago police station right now, which many of them are, you can't just go to the 7-Eleven or the Target and apply for a job because you technically are

not illegally allowed to work. So that's why you have mayors saying, if you're going to send us all these migrants, at least expedite a work permit and get these guys working. So now you have all these other aspects. But right now, many many of these migrants they're coming to the city of chicago they're enduring some brutal cold conditions you know in the freezing snow they have no shelter to go to and many of them are saying you know this is not not worth it and i and this is what happens when cities get overwhelmed and they they are literally running out of resources and right now um actually today today, and I sent a tweet about it, the state of New York, through Governor Hochul, has basically pinned a letter to President Biden saying, dude, we need $1.4 billion when it just comes to housing migrants. So she sent a letter along with eight other state governors. So this thing is really heating up.

And like I said, right now, migrants are essentially living on the streets in cities like Denver, Chicago, and New York, and they're not allowed to work as well. And this is all still being paid by the taxpayers. So if you're a taxpayer, you are footing the bill for this, especially New York. Like I said, they're spending $8 million a day in housing migrants. Can you just go to New York City and feel the impact of it now? If I flew into JFK and I was walking around downtown Manhattan, would and feel the impact of it now if I if I flew into JFK and I was walking around downtown Manhattan would I feel the impact of this yeah I mean according to my friends that live in New York and local reporters that I follow as well it's impacted every part of life if you

remember man I mean just like around a week ago around that time they had the whole issue where it was too cold at one of the migrant shelters that they had to move a bunch of migrants to like a high school like a middle school and they had know, class for the kids. It had this whole ordeal. So right now, even Democrat voters have been completely affected by this issue. Like I said, why don't they all go to San Diego? I mean, I don't want them to, but why don't they all go there? Well, many of these migrants that do cross into San Diego, because, you know, this is happening in San Diego as well. They're fine, it's all about their final destination. So their final destination is not San Diego.

It's another major city or whatever. For some reason, they want to go to somewhere else. Yes. What about this story that we heard that the Denver hospital system has collapsed? Is that true? There are so many migrants demanding medical services. The Denver's hospital system is collapsing or is that hyperbolic? No, that is true. I don't know if it's collapsing, but I do know they got like $20 million in unpaid bills. So what's happening right now for that hospital is,

I'll explain it like this because I'll speak more from what I've seen. So I'm here in Eagle Pass, right? And this is, like I said, it's been an epicenter in the border crossing. So let's say there's hundreds of migrants being processed and there's a couple medical emergencies or migrants have been injured crossing. The local fire department here, local ambulances, which I think they only have like 10 ambulances for the whole county. So it's very understaffed. They then have to go pick up these migrants, attend to their medical emergency. And if they need to be taken to the hospital, they have to be then taken to the hospital. All that falls on a city of Eagle Pass to pay for. The migrant isn't going to pay for that. So when I spoke to the local fire chief, what he told me is that in the year of 2023, basically the fire department with the local hospital lost half a million

dollars just in attending migrants and serving medical emergencies, and then the city doesn't get paid for it. So right now the city of Eagle Pass essentially is begging the federal government to be reimbursed. We're seeing this right now in Denver and also in the state of Massachusetts, I believe in Boston, where their major hospitals are serving so many migrants and it's obviously going unpaid for. They're just stacking up so many bills and all this all this is falling on that hospital to pay for the overtime, extra equipment. It really impacts a city like Eagle Pass. It's really small. Like I said, they only have like eight to 10 ambulances for the whole county. It also affects the citizens. So if you're a citizen who has a major, major emergency, there's a good chance it's going to be delayed because that ambulance is being deployed to the border and it's attending a migrant.

So what Ecopass told me is that around half a million calls and their averaging, I believe, could be 30 to 60 calls a day or a week, I believe, just attending to migrants strictly and not to the citizens of Ecopass. Why does the federal government care what the state is doing? Why don't they just accept the barbed wire as support? Well, see, that's a good question. I mean, this is just my kind of perspective on this issue. I believe if this was happening under Trump, he would allow it. I don't think he would go to bat with the state of Texas. The Biden administration has just, you know, they are just so against any Republican demand on the border. I don't think they want to cave to him in any way. And that's why I think they're willing to go to court. They're willing to get the Department of Justice involved.

So right now, like I said, like when you when you in terms of border security, I mean, just this is just this is not even my opinion. I mean, you could just look at the numbers, show it. I mean, the federal government isn't doing any of that. So you you really have the state of Texas kind of put in this corner saying they're not there. There's no the federal government isn't doing any border security they're doing um uh immigration docenting they're facilitating the immigrants coming in is what you're saying and you also have an issue where governor greg abbott last year had to run for re-election now he was always going to win his seat it wasn't even going to be competitive but he did have have Republicans run against him who even demanded that Abbott do more. They said, hey, we know Biden failed, but what is the state of Texas is doing? So I think Abbott also got put into this corner in a way to kind of react.

They're kind of doing what they're doing right now, where they've taken over Shelby Park. They're arresting migrants that cross illegally. They kicked out Border Patrol. According to Abbott and to the attorney general, they're going to welcome this lawsuit from Biden. They kicked out Border Patrol. According to Abbott and to the Attorney General, they're going to welcome this lawsuit from Biden. They're willing to go to court. And I think it's also, it's a win for Abbott because he could also go back to his voters and say, hey, I'm being tough on the border. I'm taking on the state of Texas. I'm the only border state who's actively fighting with the administration. And Abbott also has the Attorney General on board. If the AG is also willing to go to bat, we have a battle.

We're going to have a showdown. And I think tomorrow is going to be a fascinating day. I can't wait to get into Eagle Pass. And I mean, I'm here in Eagle, but I can't wait to get into Shelby Park and see the dynamics between, you know, Border Patrol agents and Texas DPS with the Texas military. How many will be there? How many of these state troopers will be there versus how many federal agents?

I mean, right now there's 50 and 50 or a hundred. There's not any federal agents at Shelby Park. Now they are being allowed. The only thing that border patrol agents are allowed to do is access a boat ramp, which gives them access to the Rio Grande, but that's it. They're not allowed to conduct normal operations. There's hundreds of Texas national Guardsmen and DPS. Oh, the National Guard is there.

The National Guard is there. Yeah, so when you see viral videos of the riot shields, that's Texas National Guard. So basically what you have is you have two state factions. You have Texas military, which is Texas National Guard, and Texas state troopers under Texas DPS, essentially working together and doing this kind of border showdown. The thing is, what DPS is telling me, Texas State Troopers, they're saying is, hey, we're there to help Texas military.

They're the main ones in control. But it is Texas DPS where if a migrant crosses illegally and they're a single male or a single female, they're the ones who are doing the arrest, even charging. And, you know, well, obviously that that's going to be up to a local judge. So, so, so they're doing that aspect of, of this operation. Any, any talk of expanding the National Guard's role? Like, fuck it. Let's see if this is working at Eagle Pass. Let's, let's get even more. And have any other states, have any other states offered to send their National Guard? Yes. So one interesting thing is when you are here in Eagle Pass on the border, you will also see Florida state troopers. So DeSantis about a year ago deployed Florida state troopers to the southern border. And what's kind of interesting about that angle is that's being paid for by the state of Florida.

So they're not giving the bill to Texas or Abbott. They're essentially helping the administration with that. If you want to talk about a political aspect, and this is what I find interesting, just as like the political nerd aspect is, you have a Florida governor who sent his own state troopers, deployed them to the Texas border to assist Texas officials. Florida is paying for it, to the Texas border to assist Texas officials. Florida is paying for it, yet the governor of Texas still endorsed the opponent of DeSantis, which, you know, Abbott ended up endorsing Trump. So that's kind of an interesting angle there. But Florida state troopers are still here.

They've been deployed over a year ago. That's being paid by the state of Florida. Now, other states have also sent their state troopers here, but they've been deployed in like maybe a few months or a month-long operation, and then they come back. I know Montana did. I believe South Dakota did. And I know a few other Republican states sent their own National Guard. But Florida still right now is actively on the border.

And as of right now, DeSantis has not recalled those Florida state troopers back to Florida yet. Jorge, awesome, dude. Thank you so much, man. 54 minutes of just straight information. I fucking love it. You the man, dude. Where are you headed tomorrow? Where are you traveling to? I'm in Idaho, and it

sounds like tomorrow we're going to go somewhere else in Idaho. Nice, man. Perfect, perfect. If anyone is interested in this whole kind of border showdown else in Idaho. So that's it. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. And yeah, I would, you know, if anyone is interested in this whole kind of border showdown now between the feds and the state, I would recommend following my Instagram because I said tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. I'm on the ground right now on Eagle Pass. We'll be on the ground continuing that. And we're always working on, you know, new stories. We got to, we have a Tijuana cartel story coming up. I can't

say too much, but you know, stay tuned for all that., we have a Tijuana cartel story coming up. I can't say too much, but, um, you know, stay tuned for all that. And, uh, yeah, man, it's always great talking to you.

Let me know when you, when you want to have me on it, if we can make it work, we'll definitely make it work. Yeah. I always appreciate your quick responses. All right, brother,

uh, be safe and we'll be watching it at Jorge Ventura TV. Thanks brother. Awesome. Take care guys. Ciao. Oh, yeah.

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What are you talking about Alright Thanks guys fun show uh thanks for caleb and matt for getting this scheduled up uh last minute um tons of man so much fucking cool content coming out i will talk to you soon thanks for all your support you guys bye