The Sevan Podcast - Kevin Ogar - Director of The CrossFit Games - OG

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

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Am I grainy? My internet should be good. Maybe it's just my laptop. All right. Or maybe you're just grainy. Who knows? Dude, as I'm showering today, sudsing up the hairy spots, I was thinking there's this sentiment in the community that like,

oh my God, I'm so glad Dave's still there at CrossFit. And I was thinking, I have that similar sentiment to you. You've been around forever and knowing that people like you are, uh, intimate with the mothership gives me a sense of, uh, security because I know that you got, uh, OG roots. Uh, you understand the methodology, you understand the culture. And I just want to say, thank you. Uh, I did not survive. And I just want to say thank you. I did not survive. I was a weaker warrior than you.

You are a beast, and I appreciate you holding down the fort. And I know it hasn't been – I know it's been a fun and challenging ride, and you're killing it, dude, now as the director of the CrossFit Games. It's pretty fucking cool. Thanks, man. I think it's like the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Well, I mean it, but I get very sentimental in the shower. It doesn't always make it to the podcast, but I get

very sentimental in the shower. It's been a fun ride. I mean, challenges for sure, but just trying to do the same stuff that Greg always used to teach us, like do the right thing for the right person for the right reason. So it's the only thing you need to do. And you've gotten as much out of CrossFit as just about anyone can, right?

Fitness, friends, service. I mean, you've got a profession, food on your plate. I mean, you really made a lot of it. Dude, it's, yeah. I don't know if I could ever, uh, me and Chase Ingram talk about it all the time. Like we have like an unpayable debt to the CrossFit community. Like, I don't, I don't know. I could work for the rest of my life for everyone in the community.

I still don't think I'd pay back a 10th of what I owe it. And the cool thing is because you impact so many people, I bet you a ton of people, including myself, feel that way about you. It's like, Oh, thank God he's in there doing the service trying yeah you are best i can hey um i it's been people like me and you know each other's journeys intimately because we've watched each other but i want to go back to uh little kid ogre and talk about your talk talk about your roots and just talk about how you got here and then talk a little bit about the CrossFit games, the direction it's going and things like that.

So where were you born? I was born in Little Rock, Arkansas. Oh, okay. Good spot. That was a good spot back then, right? Sure. I mean, I only lived there for, I think a few months, but yeah. And then where'd you go? I grew up in like grew up in St. Louis, like right outside St. I mean, I only lived there for, I think a few months, but yeah. And then where'd you go? I grew up in like, grew up in St. Louis, like right outside St. Louis city. And, uh, and what was a childhood like for you? What, what were your, what were your, your passions? What did you do as a kid? Did you have siblings? I got an older brother, younger sister. Um, and I got all the athletic genes and they got all

the brains. So I played sports and they did good in school. So I grew up playing sports. That's why I did. And you were big kid, tall, gifted, broad shoulders. Yeah. Yeah. Always, always been a little bigger. I think by the time I was like seventh, eighth grade, I was hitting six foot, maybe a little over. And did you know what you wanted to play at that time? Had you started honing in on like a passion of what your sport was going to be? At that time, my passion was basketball. I mean, that's all I wanted to do was play basketball, like dribble tennis balls around, take shots at every chance I had. Parents got me a basketball hoop when I was younger and then realized when I was about like probably 12 or 13 years old that I was pretty scrawny, like being six foot and 130 pounds doesn't really bode well for most sports. So, um, asked for a weight set when I was like 12 or 13, my parents got me one, put it in the basement and I started lifting.

And who, who is your, um, kind of your mentor for weightlifting? Was it just the, the traditional stuff that we all did back by his chest, all that stuff? the traditional stuff that we all did back by his chest, all that stuff. I would say that my, my mentor was stubbornness more than likely. I mean, I read a bunch of like, when I was like 12, 13, I just kind of read some stuff from, from like basketball coaches that had they had their, what they had their team lift. I just read a bunch of their articles and started doing that and stuff like

that. And then got in high school. I wasn't a huge fan of the football coaches we had at our high school i really didn't i only played for like a year year and a half um for football and when i say stubbornness was my was my mentor i was determined not to do their weightlifting program which probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world but um i was determined to try to figure something else out besides what they were doing and so did a lot more studying on like strength and conditioning stuff so that's interesting that shows that you're a good fit for CrossFit. So you were already a contrarian. You were, you weren't,

you weren't down there doing what we were doing, the Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff. Like you knew right away, Hey, I need to do some stuff that I need to work out like a basketball player. And I, and I need to, I need to plow my own route and I need to be, you were contrarian to, to what the, they were just having you do the factory. Yeah. Contrarian, maybe just a shithead. i don't know like if there's much of a difference there but definitely didn't didn't like being told what to do and and then what was how much did you practice hard um as a kid in the off season were you practicing like were you like hey i am a basketball player

did you i didn't did you think yourself okay i'm a basketball player. Did you identify, did you think to yourself, okay, I'm a basketball player. I'm going, I'm going to get a college scholarship or something. I wanted to. Yeah. Like if I played other sports, like I ran, I ran track the 400 high jump, um, swimming, things like that. Um, I wasn't really good at, like I tried baseball. I wasn't very good at it. Um, but like, I was good at the sports that you could train for. Cause I think it was better at training for sports than it was actually at sports. So I don't, I don't think I was good at the sports that you could train for because I think I was better at training for sports than I was actually at sports. So I don't I don't think I was good enough to actually I mean, I maybe could have gone to like a junior college or something like that to play basketball. But I don't think I was good enough to do much else outside of that.

And then after high school, found rugby and realized that I was very good at crashing into other people at full speed. and realized that I was very good at crashing into other people at full speed. So you were on route to be a CrossFitter because those are some important things right there, right? Those are the guys we're seeing succeed now. People who have played maybe one sport seriously but also could swim, were on the track team. You hear a lot of CrossFitters will be like, hey, I was a blah, blah, blah player, but i did the track team in high school also just to stay in shape

and then now as as elite crossfitters we're like wow they can do it all they have uh they can swim they can run and and then they also have the athleticism they got it all so you were you were on route yeah it's almost like almost like kids should have a really good base of genetic general physical preparedness and then like branch out into sports as they want to specialize as they get older. Maybe something like that. I don't know. No, I agree with you. As you're doing these sports, which culture did you like the best?

The swim culture, the basketball culture, the rugby culture? Did you like being alone working out in your basement? I would probably say rugby or track culture was probably my favorite interesting totally different right totally different on opposite ends but you like both of them yeah i mean like with basketball they were cool and i have a lot of good like lifelong friends that i played basketball with growing up, and they're awesome guys. It's just the training outside of basketball was never their thing.

That's probably why they're better at me. They spend a lot more time working on their skills and drills, and I spend a lot more time just running hill sprints and trying to be stronger. But with rugby, it's a really close, close, like knit group of guys. Like I'm still really close friends with a lot of those guys that I played in college with. So you get really close to those guys. It's a team, it's a team sport where like, you really have to rely on the person next to you. Like you're in, you're in a scrum and like, you have thousands of pounds of force on your shoulder and you have to really trust that the

guy to two people back is, is going to drive and do their job. Otherwise you're going to get smashed. So I really dug that or like I've had someone punch me in the face and then we were best friends off the pitch. Like I like that kind of culture, like work hard, work hard, bust each other up, but also realize like the game's the game.

Yeah. And I like the track culture specifically because the guys I ran track with, I ran track with some really, really fast guys and really great high jumpers. And the work ethic on those guys was insane. And I just liked that version of the culture where like, the only thing that was important in track was your work. Like how hard did you work? Um, that's a great, uh, those are, those are leadership lessons, right? To get punched in the face by someone

and then be their friend afterwards. Like that's something you carry. That's going to be a lifelong lesson because there's going to be people like that. People who get ahead seem to be able to do that their whole life. They're able to fight with people, but also be their friends.

I mean, to be fair, my dad's side of the family is Polish. So like punching me in the head doesn't do much. Are both your parents still alive, Kevin? Yeah, both of my parents are still alive, still married, living in St. Charles, Missouri. I go see them fairly often. So good roots, good foundation. Yeah, I couldn't have asked for better parents.

My dad was always around, always coached all our sports. He coached me through soccer, baseball, basketball, like any sport I played when I was younger, he helped coach. Even if he didn't know the game, he studied it and try to learn as much as he could about it. Like his, I get a lot of my work ethic from, from my parents. And like, he worked multiple jobs to make sure we were provided for. My mom worked her ass off at home to make sure we were taken care of.

And they did a great job of like not babying us um like i always joke like my mom would my mom we would get in trouble and my mom my dad would drop the hammer and then my mom would make us go sit down i had a desk outside my room where i had to write down like what i did wrong why it was wrong how i could approach this uh like the situation differently and so it was like a good mix of like getting the hammer dropped on you but also having to think through the situation critically you had a little desk outside your bedroom door oh yeah in the hallway yep just sit there and write down what i what i do boom there it is dude i might do that that is awesome it was it was i remember that desk to this day i would sit

there with a piece of paper and i had to write down, answer all these questions before I was allowed to get up. So you're growing up, you're doing sports. Did that keep you out of trouble? Do you think that sports kept you out of trouble as a boy? Like I have these three boys and I'm like, man, you got to keep these dudes busy. They will get into anything. I think I would have gotten in a lot more trouble had I not had sports. And had I not trained as much, I would have been a lot slower and probably would have got caught more.

Oh, interesting. So, I mean, I don't know. My parents seem to think I was a good kid. I think I was kind of a shithead when I was growing up and broke a lot of rules and didn't do all the things I should have. But, you know, I guess that's just growing up as a teenager in the middle of Missouri. You seem like the guy who could talk your way out of trouble too. Like you could put your arm around someone.

I did. I talked my way out. Yeah, I don't really think I did homework for like my last two years of high school because I convinced them that if I could pass the test, my teachers, I convinced them that if I pass the test, then what's the point of homework because I already know the material. You ever been to jail, Kevin? No. Oh, good.

Good job. I mean, I've gotten I got arrested one time for having beers in my back pocket when I was like 17. That was it. They put the handcuffs on you. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have to call your parents?

No, I called my girlfriend at the time. She came pick me up, but then the cop showed up at my door to make sure my parents found out about it. So Missouri. Yep. Talk your way out of that. Could not talk my way out of that one. No, sir.

Uh, so, so you, you finished high school, um, and, and you got, you got all these sports and then that's when you started rugby. Yep. So I rugby, uh, end of my freshman year of college. And it was, uh, my, my lifting partner at the time is big dude from South Africa played rugby in South Africa. Um, we were, I was still, still powerlifting and I was lifting with him and he's like, you should try rugby. And I was like, I've never heard of it. And went and watched a game with them. And I was like, Oh,

so like no pads, I get to crash into people as hard as I want to get some aggression out. I'm in. So started playing rugby. And how long did you play that uh i played rugby through the rest of college and then like two or three years after college out here in colorado oh did you get a scholarship out there no no there's a there's a there was like a men's team out here called the glendale raptors that was right across the street from where I moved here in Colorado and, um, just walked on the team and just wanted to play rugby and they needed props and that's the position I played. So I got lucky. What did you study in college? Um, which time and, uh, you know, so I never actually, uh, graduated college. I am,

I am not a huge fan of our school systems as they sit. And so again, very contrarian at that point. So I went into college studying like psychology, secondary education and with a minor in German and then realized about three years in that I didn't want to do anything with any of that. And so just started taking classes for like the next four years that I thought was important and fun. So like biochemistry, human anatomy, physiology, exercise science, public speaking, and things like that. Because those were the things that interested you. Yeah. I mean, by that time, by my, we'll call it my second stint in college, I'd already, I'd always wanted to be a coach. Since I was a kid, I've always wanted to be a coach. I'm probably from watching my dad coach and falling in love with it, but always wanted to be a coach. My, like I, since I was a kid, I've always wanted to be a coach. I'm probably from watching my dad coaching and falling in love with it. Um, but always wanted

to coach people. And, uh, so by the time I get kicked out of college the first time and then went back into college, I'd already found that's how I found CrossFit actually. And so I'd already realized I wanted to coach people in CrossFit. And, um, so I just went into classes and subjects that I thought was going to make me a better coach. How many years was your undergrad stint? How many years were you an undergrad? I was an undergrad from 2004 until 2010. Yeah, okay.

I had a seven-year stint as an undergrad. It was awesome. I went to three different schools. It was dope was awesome. I went to three different schools. It was dope. I went to three different colleges. Yeah. And I didn't graduate either. I didn't graduate.

But I had a great time. Oh, my God, did I have a good time. I learned a lot. And I learned a lot about myself and how to deal with people in that seven-int of, of college. I always go back to what's that Tommy boy. A lot of people go to college for seven years. Were you good? What did you say? So those are doctors. Oh, right. Right. Uh, not guys with beers in their back pockets. Hey, um, were you a good student? Did you, did you know how to, I was not a good student. Even when I tried, like I would try my hardest for like a quarter, the beginning of every year since kindergarten, I would try my hardest for a quarter and then I would just get C's and D's and I'd be like, this is crazy. I'm trying so hard. I was a good test taker. I don't think I was a good student.

You knew the game. So you knew the game. Yeah, I could take tests really well. I mean, I learned, especially if I was interested in it, it was fairly easy for me to learn things. I didn't understand the need for all the homework, and so I would try to talk my way out of it or just kind of ignore the homework and just hope that they graded the test high enough

that I could pass the class with just the test. But I just didn't understand the, if I already understood the information, why I'm just doing repetitive nonsense to be busy work. Yeah. But did you like school? When I like the subject, I love school. I should say I don't necessarily love school with the way our system is set up, but I love learning. I love studying things.

I'm a consummate nerd. I still like to read textbooks on occasion. I like to learn things. I like going there for the friends. I like seeing the people. I would get up in the morning and be like, dude, I get to go see my friends. I'd be so excited. Yeah, no. I don't think it was the people. I think a lot of people would annoy me in class with stupid questions. And so I would get annoyed by them, but I like learning the information. Did you go to the prom and the ball in high school? Did you participate in those things? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, uh, I think if I remember correctly in my high school, I was voted most spirited and biggest bookworm for my, for my high school superlatives. Wow. No shit. Wow. And when they say bookworm, you were the dude who'd just be reading your own

shit just at lunchtime you'd have a book and just be reading yeah i just carried around a book with me and kind of read it at all times and probably got in trouble a huge many times because i was reading the book in class instead of paying attention but that's what i was interested in are you still a big reader yeah yeah i still read all the time usually reading a couple books at a time what about audiobooks listen like i don't i generally don't listen to music in my car i Yeah. Yeah. I still read all the time. Usually reading a couple of books at a time. What about audio books? Listen, like I don't, I generally don't listen to music in my car. I usually listen to like either lectures or books when I'm driving places. Damn. Okay. So, so you're, you're, you have a thirst and that's a thirst. You have a thirst. You want, you want to be stimulated like that.

Yeah. I mean, I like music. You can tune out and it's fun and I do enjoy music, but it's, it's way more fun. I think it's way more fun understanding things around you or digging into stuff that you're interested in. I had Rich on here, Kevin, and, uh, I hope I'm saying this right, but I think he's, he's going through every single us president's biography. Wow. every single u.s president's biography wow yeah that's pretty inspiring right and i think i think he's crushing it i think he's moving it quite quite a fast clip that's that's that's a lot of biographies yeah crazy right but i think and then he's talking about reading the federalist papers i wonder if that dude's gonna run for office would you vote for rich i think i would vote for rich i think he's like i don't know i don't know how like he to me every time i've met him he's a super nice and honest guy so i don't know

how well he's gonna like politics but i would vote for him just because he's nice and honest yeah i i like him because he has um i like that i like values i just i really i'm in a whole values kick i just love it that he has values. Yeah. Do you have values? Do you know what your values are? I 100% know what my values are, yeah. Was that introduced to you by someone? Was someone like, hey, you need values? And you're like, what?

I don't need those. When did you learn about values? I mean, again, I have a great set of parents from Missouri. I grew up in the Christian church. I've always been a Christian. That's where I get a lot of my moral values from. That's where I get a lot of my guidance from is reading scripture and figuring out what God calls us to do and how we're supposed to do it. And you think that when your behavior, I don't know if this is the right word, comports with your values, life is at its best. Is that why you stick to them?

comports with your values life is at its best is that is that why you stick to them um best yes easiest no like i i'm very aware like if you've read any kind of scripture you're never promised an easy life you're promised a joyful life and they're two different things and like i don't necessarily want an easy life i want a life of purpose which ends up being a joyful life so like it can be a lot harder holding to your values, but it's always worth it. And do you own an affiliate still? Yep, still. CrossFit Watchtower. I'm there now. CrossFit Watchtower. And is that in Missouri?

No, I'm just outside Denver. Okay. And do you run that? Do your values play a huge role in how you run that gym, the culture of that gym? 100%. Yeah, that's kind of the reason I wanted to start a gym. Like we're – if you read scripture at all, you read more like about how we're supposed to help other people and help those who need it. And so I opened Watchtower to help those who needed it, and I thought fitness was the best way to do it because that's the thing I knew the best. So we're not really here to create as cool as, as cool as they are not really here to create games athletes per se. We're here to take people who could really use fitness, whether that be from

coming back from injury, um, you know, any kind of mood disorder, any kind of physical, like disability, or just like have let life get away. And like, once you get back to being healthy, like we're, we're here to help the people who actually need it. So you have a fondness or a – you don't mind starting with coal and turning it into a diamond. Like that's – the continuity and everything you just said there is like, yeah, bring me, bring me the people who need the most help. Let me, let me tinker with those people. Yeah. I mean, I think it's the most fun and they're, they're like the most hard charging, awesome community you could build,

but also like, I mean, I spent time, you know, training for the games and, you know, trying to get 17 muscle ups instead of just 16 muscle ups. And it was cool. But like, what's cooler than, than having someone come in who hasn't left I mean we have stories like this who hadn't left their house for three years and their first place they're coming is coming into my gym and trying to figure out how to get back on their feet and we get to be a part of that that life and journey and guide them to being a better person and like I don't like that's way cooler to me we had another guy who like didn't tie a shoe for 10 years cause he couldn't

reach it. And now he's tying his shoes. Like we just, like, I don't, I don't get spun up about elite athletes becoming more a leader. I get spun off about people realizing how truly awesome the human body is and how much they can do with it. And people who've let it go to shit re reintroduce them to it be like hey this is you you can fix this thing yeah i mean i do that the the fact that people want to try fires me up like that's it all all you have to do and that's i mean across like i talked to so many affiliates and that's literally all you have to do if you walk into an affiliate is just try. No one cares what your background is, how much you've fallen off, what you did before this.

No one cares. All they care about is if you come in and try. That's it. Bottom line. That really is true. That really is true. Yeah. Hey, that's why also like when I hear stories of people in the affiliates getting upset that someone next to them is shorting reps, it's like, dude, what do you care?

Just try. Don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about that, dude. Or just tell the dude. Just tell the dude. Be like, hey, dude, you'll feel better and get more out of the workouts if you slow down and get full depth or whatever. If not, whatever. They're still in there. They just need to try.

Eaton Beaver, good morning, Mr. Ogar. I love the beard. Oh, thanks. I grew it myself. You know, I have three kids and they play a lot of sports and I really wanted them to do well and I really wanted them to do well and I really wanted them to do well. And one of my boys got injured. He was doing jiu-jitsu, and someone kicked him in the stomach. And for like six weeks, he said something was wrong with his bladder, like the way he peed didn't feel right. And after that, it hit the whole reset switch on how I think about sports. Now I don't even – it's exactly what you said.

I don't even care how well they do. I just want them out on the field. If they're like fooling around or said. I don't even care how well they do. I just want them out on the field. If they're, like, fooling around or laughing, I don't care. Just let them play. Yeah, as long as they're in the game, they show up, they, you know, they just behave, they contribute. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care how good they do anymore.

I just want them to be out there having fun. And it's true. It just hit the reset. Injury was a crazy reset for me well and I think one big part of what great you always talk about that people forget within CrossFit and something I forgot about for years and just recently over the last few years figured out again is like regular regularly learn and play new sports like as adults we should still play I think that's one of the biggest things especially like uh like the men of the CrossFit culture, like they forget that playing is okay. Like bouncing around,

having a good time, like going out and playing something that's enjoyable is a huge part of fitness. And I think, I think you leave a lot on the table as far as like your, your whole fitness overall, if you're not, if you're not playing. And I think that's true of kids. I think kids should play, they should have a good time. It should be enjoyable. Another great reason that Rich is a good ambassador. Yeah. He plays all the time from what I see. Yeah. All the time. I mean, he's doing it. He's doing it all. Okay. So you're in college, you're doing the rugby. And then when does CrossFit pop up on your radar and what are your first thoughts about it? So I was not being a good student,

my freshman and beginning of sophomore year. And I got, I got kicked out of school for not having the right grades or my grades dropping below a certain level. And so I needed a job, need to do something. I was already going to the gym regularly. And my buddy's like, Hey, you should, you know, just do personal training since you're already kind of coaching people at the gym anyway. And I was like, sweet. Went and got, um, like a certification and started working at a gym nearby. And, uh, uh, a guy named Jeremy Yates, uh, was running the, running the, um, the training program at the time. And he's like, Hey, you should try this CrossFit stuff. And I'm this, like this, um, not exactly skinny powerlifting, you know, big rugby guy. And I was like this not exactly skinny, powerlifting, big rugby guy. And I was like, that sounds horrible.

It sounds like a lot of cardio. And then he puts the challenge down. He's like, I bet you my 100-pound blonde girlfriend can beat you. And I was like, deal. Let's go. And so I tried my first CrossFit workout. Was horrible at it. Fell in love with it.

And I really never looked back. Do you remember the workout? I do. I think it was a, I think it was a fun joke from Jeremy cause it was 21, 59 handstand pushups and L pull-ups. It was a.com workout for like that day or the day before. God, I was, I was like, I was like 240 pounds and a power lifter. Like I'd never flipped upside down. Right. And, and L pull-ups are just like mean. it was it's not even fun they were all done like five five to ten minutes and I'm like there 30 minutes later trying to finish out with like 15 pound dumbbell push press and the gravitron machine pull-ups and barely get my fat chin over

uh and and do you what was the stimulus you got do you remember your forearms being more blown up than ever before or being like wanting to throw up or do you remember the stimulus what you felt oh the stimulus is i felt like a fat turd because like i you know i was a pretty strong guy back then and i had to finish with 15 pound dumbbell push press instead of handstand push-ups and so uh realized i was bad at it and realized i didn't like being bad at things and so between that and wanting to get better at rugby and run more um started doing more crossfit my second workout was murph holy shit do you remember your time on your first murph uh if we can measure it in days probably i don't know it was it was long like we didn't we didn't scale we didn't partition it wasn't a thing back then this is like 2006 2007 did you get rhabdo no no luckily i didn't

get rhabdo i think it's because i took so long to do it that i don't i think my body realized it was like two or three different workouts because it was like probably two hours man it was not good i mean did you wear a vest no we that wasn't we didn't realize we needed to wear a vest and i think that there was luckily something jeremy didn't tell us at the time because i didn't know what crossfit.com was i didn't know any of the stuff he would just come in with these CrossFit workouts and tell us we're doing them. Dude, Murph's crazy. Did you get those weird tingly things on your head and shit?

Were you tripping somewhere in there? Did you have those sensations when you do some CrossFit workouts? Or your ears clog up? You know what I'm talking about? When you're pushing weird spots? No. Luckily, I've been an athlete my whole life, so I can kind of fumble through it but um it did it did not feel good i mean i was i was trashed for days yeah damn uh get with the programming um i told kevin to break a leg before

coming on the show it got awkward you're a good dude you know i didn't i wouldn't even know if i did so so you you have you ever broke your leg since you've been in the chair and not known it? Not that I'm aware of. I've probably broken a few toes, but I've never broken my legs. I'm aware of. So you, you get introduced to it and right away you're like, Hey, I don't want to be bad at this. And are you just in like that? You're just in. And like, I am'm i am that guy i am the

jump all in all or nothing and i just went head first into it and that was like 06 07 05 that that era yeah i think i really started doing it like 07 um got my first level one and at the beginning of 08 so that's just when um it's the videos really started coming out when it started like before then it was like fuck you're like looking for anything to figure out the movement so you were kind of watching like yeah like watching greg amundsen uh guy named i don't even remember his real name is his online name was bionic um like all those guys just like putting up youtube videos and they're just uh all that stuff. And just, I had like three tabs open on my computer and it was always like CrossFit.com, CrossFit One World, and like one or two other CrossFit gyms that were always put programming out and I would always just steal it. And all the footage was grainy and it was like shot in like 480 or 280.

It was iMovie and like the cheesiest like things floating in. Oh yeah. cheesiest like things floating in oh yeah wow and uh so you were a 5 p.m guy at 5 p.m you'd run over to dot com and refresh the page yes for years for years wild i didn't know you i knew you were old school i didn't know you were that old school oh yeah dude i was i was on them i was i was on the message boards but i was always quiet because i was never that like when message boards were big i was never good at it so I didn't want to post my times and just get absolutely ridiculed for being a fat turd. So like I would read all the message boards, but I was never one to really comment on them. Hey, and how long did it take before you were like from starting that first workout

with Jeremy Yates to where you're like, oh, I'm kind of fit now? Honestly, it didn't take really long i think within like the first i would say six months i went from like 240 pounds and waddling around to like 205 wow okay um yeah and that's one of the reasons you loved it right the adaptation was nuts i mean that's what's for me in two weeks i saw my body change i was like what the fuck is going on here i was all in all in like i was studying everything i could about uh paleo and zone and food this and like the weirdo like i was the weirdo who was like carrying a bag of almonds around to make sure i had enough fat for the day like that was me what did you were people around you seeing your body change where people like were your parents like oh what's going on or you look great or were you getting good feedback um uh well yeah i mean it went from like kevin you're

a little too heavy to like i think you're leaning out a little too much and oh yeah great you drop like you drop like 30 pounds in a six-month period people start to worry a little bit kevin do you have an eating disorder yes yeah yeah yeah you can't i mean i was i was that guy i came home and preached the good word of crossfit and paleo to my family as much as I could. I'm sure they got absolutely sick of me. And then somewhere it popped in on your, uh, that's you. Holy shit. Look at you. Yep. That's me. You look like the redheaded Wolverine.

Oh, sweet. Um, and when, when did, um, competitions pop on your, uh, radar? When were you like, Oh, sweet. And when did competitions pop on your radar? When were you like, oh, we can do this? I know the exact moment. So I actually just saw him again for the first time in like probably 10 or 12 years. I had two original training partners, Frank Foss and Nate Baycott, and we trained together constantly. Nate Baycott now runs a gym, CrossFitfit fringe in missouri and frank's off doing

military stuff but um i remember we finished a workout from dot com and it was like running and pull-ups and something else and i remember i was only like three reps shy of beating chris spieler because they had put like he was the one on dot com that day and i was like three reps shy of beating Chris Spieler because they had put like he was the one on.com that day and I was like three reps shy of beating Chris and I was thrilled because like I come from like a fat kid who barely do a pull-up and now I'm like coming close to Chris Spieler on a run pull-up something else word I think it was like run clean pull-up or something like that which is all in his wheelhouse all in his wheelhouse yeah and so I was stoked and I was talking to Frank and uh Nate at the time and I was like dude I was so close and and Nate at the time. And I was like, dude, I was so close. And I remember Frank going, dude,

there is no chance you could ever compete on the same stage as Chris Spieler. And it just like snapped something in me. I was like, all right, let's go. I'm pretty sure I sent a picture to at least Nate, if not Frank as well. I mean, I competed with Chris for a couple of years, but the first time I competed with him, I think was like 2011 or 2012. And I snapped a picture. I don't think Chris knew I snapped the picture.

I think it was like one of the very first selfies ever, um, to, to send to them and tell them the, the ha ha, I would, you, you're wrong. It took me a few years to do it, but I won. And what was your first comp? Um, for, I did the first online comp in you didn't do anything in person you didn't do like some small throwdown at a gym or something i mean we didn't have it i was in the middle of missouri i was columbia missouri we didn't have it we didn't have anything out there and so the only thing that would come close to because i was a poor college kid i

couldn't travel for a lot of these things was that last chance online qualifier like 2008, I think. Like there was a video, there's a video qualifier for one. Oh shit. I don't even remember that. Wow. For, for one of those competitions, I think it was like the dirty South one or something like that. And I threw down on that and barely miss making it that year. And what was your first in-person comp? 2000, um, 2009, when we had the we had the very only time we ever had sectionals out here in Colorado. And how was that? Tell me about that. So you went out there by yourself.

You went out there with a girlfriend, your parents. What did you do? I had actually just moved to Colorado July of that year. And that was in, I want to say like October or November that year. And, uh, saw it, signed up for it. Um, I had a rugby, I was still playing rugby. So I had a rugby tournament the weekend before I went into it, kind of beat up and bruised. And I mean, did okay. Qualified for regionals that year. Did you love it? Was that experience just like crazy stimulating? Dude, I got to, I got to meet Matt Chan for the first time in person, which like, you know, I've known him for a while now, but like he was it back then.

It was so cool to see him and competing against all these guys who were like throwing up these crazy numbers and like incredibly fit stuff. Like, uh, um, like Peter Edgeett was there and, um, oh gosh. Um, so many other big names were like at that point in time, big names. I just remember being in all of all these guys like throwing around these numbers and these weights that are crazy to me. And I was hooked. That's it. Good regionals that year. And I was like, I'm training for the games. That's what I'm doing. And where were the regionals? Regionals were in Colorado that year. So we were out in Castle Rock, I think it was that year. Yeah, you know what? I was there. I remember that.

Yeah. And Tommy Hackenberg – were there teams there also? I think so. Did you say 09? So the sectional was 09. The regional – that was to qualify for the regional in 2010. 2010, yeah. was 09 the regional that was to qualify for the regional in 2010 2010 yeah so that was that was in castle rock i know tommy was there and there's you know nate beard i always remember nate super nice guy but would draw around the most ridiculous i thought it was strong and that guy was stupid

strong god i can't believe that was 14 years ago yeah and how old are you now? 38. Oh, you're still young. Jeez Louise. So you were 24? Yeah, I started doing CrossFit when I was 21, 20, 21. So now you're coaching and you're competing in CrossFit. That's what your life had become. That was it. Yeah, I would pick up side jobs. Like I worked security downtown Denver. I worked at Whole Foods in their meat department for a few years. Just like anything I could basically afford my hobby of coaching.

Yeah. And, um, and then, uh, how, how did that progress? What, what did you start doing competitions four or five times a year? Did you start really getting into it? Yeah. And any, anything I can afford, get to, or find sponsors that would send me out to like, like the picture you showed was from the outlaw open or like even like OC third. I went to went to a few

years or any local competitions that had like prize purses. I would just go there and try to see if I couldn't make some extra money or get my name out there to try to collect some sponsorships so I could afford to keep competing. And were you getting better? What was motivating you to keep going? I had some really great training partners. Like my training partner, training partner, one of my training partners back then, uh, made the games and I had a couple that were really close to making the games. And so we had a really cool community of people that we would travel around, especially when we first started, we would travel around to different CrossFit gyms because different owners were trying to make the games back then. Like, that's when like, uh, it was still like mainly gym owners who were trying to qualify

and we would just train together. And so we had a really cool community of people we trained with that. I'm still friends with a lot of them at this point. We would just train together and it was motivating. Cause like all of us had different strengths. And so like, we'd always be chasing someone on something. This is off subject a little bit, but you know what I'm starting to think?

And I'm, I'm having really having trouble getting my head wrapped around it, but I think it's accurate. I think that there's people in the top 10 at the CrossFit Games in the individual elite who've never been coached. I mean, it's possible. Like they don't know about belly breathing. They don't have coaches. Like they don't know.

No one's ever told them when you snatch, keep the bar close to you. I think that there's people. It's crazy. More and more I'm hearing or I'm seeing coaching videos. I'm seeing people who are really good or hearing stories. And it's like, holy shit, they don't. These people don't really have coaches. What made what triggered me to think that is you said you had really good training partners. So some people are training alone. Right. and some people have like these consistent training partners do you think that um do you do you think that all these games athletes or there's even games athletes who've never even taken the l1 like i think velner's never even taken the l1 i i think there are a

lot of almost games athletes and games athletes who don't and i don't mean this as an insult because they're great athletes but i don't think they truly understand the methodology um give me an example not the person but the uh give me like something that you think they don't understand so a lot of, like the top 10 guys, for sure, they've, they've learned how to maintain intensity across volume, but I think a lot of athletes, and I think that's okay. Like, as long as you can maintain intensity across the volume, that's great. I think the bigger problem is you have a lot of these like almost games athletes are like low level games athletes who see all these, like the riches and the mass, like doing a whole bunch of volume and don't realize

that they built that volume up through intensity. And they just are throwing volume and volume and volume at themselves. And they don't realize the reason they're not able to beat these other athletes because they don't know what true intensity is. They don't know how to flip that switch. They don't know how to actually push themselves. They know how to pace. They know how to coast, but they don't know how to,

when necessary, throw the hammer down and actually, and actually like go for it. And I think that's where like, you see a lot of like the athletes that are in top 10, they have that whether naturally or taught to them, or they've learned it, they've learned how to push into that. We'll call it like sixth gear and know what intensity feels like and know how to modulate it better. But that was only from training with intensity and not just training for volume.

Right. And I appreciate that. And I see that I was particularly thinking just also about just motor recruitment patterns, positioning technique. It seems breathing. It just seems like the more and more when I see videos or I hear people interacting with these athletes and they say things to them that just seem so fundamental to me. And then they don't know it. I'm like,

holy shit. They don't know that. If you have four workouts a day, tell me when you're going to work on moving better or the skills that you're going to need or recut, like, like it's not just training. It's also recovery.

But if you're doing like part a, part B, part C, part D, I'm going to do this mech on here. I'm going to do this lifting here. I'm going to do all these different things. Tell me when you're working on skill. Tell me when you're working on moving better. Tell me when you're being, trying to figure out how to be more efficient because you're not. And, and let me know when you're working on your recovery and how you're breathing and, and you know, all these

different kinds of things that are way more important than getting your fifth workout in for the day. Right. And I, I have this argument all the time, especially with like the adaptive crowd. They want to do like the six workouts a day. And I'm like, it's why you're not fit. I'm sorry. It's why you're not strong. Like I shouldn't say not fit. It's why you're not strong.

There's, there's this big thing. There's this, uh, if you look at the top people in adaptive and the people who are like mid range, the biggest difference is strength. And the reason why they're not strong is because they're not giving themselves enough time because they're missing limbs or missing function somewhere to actually recover and gain strength the way you need to. They're doing six workouts a day, and they're like, I can't get stronger. I'm like, well, that's because you train like an idiot.

including myself, one of the reasons also is we train for, um, not that this is an excuse, but it's maybe an interference. We train for, um, I don't want to use the word mental health. Um, but, but like I train, I train for like, normally I like to train in the middle of the day at some point and it gives me a reset. And if I don't, I'm kind of lethargic the whole day. I'm not, I don't feel like, like a hundred percent. So I think a lot of people also just train, they forget, they get confused. It's different training as an athlete, as opposed to someone like me, who's using it just as a reset, but you're right. I can just get stuck in ruts, doing the same workouts over and over, not increasing the intensity, not resting enough because I'm just, I'm just working out just to scratch some sort of, um, uh, mental thing.

You know what I mean? One of the things that's always in the back of my head. And it's something that, that Greg, I used to always hear him say, like he it's in, it's in the manual. It's like, if you come in for a workout and you can't throw down with intensity, it means you needed to have a rest day. Wow. If I can't try hard on a workout and if I'm just going in there trying to slug through it, it means that I needed a rest day. I need to go do something else. I need to figure out a different reset, go for a 10 minute walk, go sit outside. Hell, I mean, if you really like, I mean, I love cold therapy. I mean, regardless of what kind of what you think of the science on it, but I love it. And so like splash cold water in your face,

find something else that's not beating your body into the dirt. So you can come in the next day and actually like try again, it all comes back to trying. Yeah. Like if you can't come in and try and you're coming and you have a bad attitude, like kick rocks, like go take a rest day, go for a walk, go, go find someone that makes you happy or something that makes you happy outside of the gym. And then come back and try harder with me. what what i i saw recently benched 430 so you you you've made yourself strong as shit you know what you're talking about i mean i'm i'm pretty good i mean to be fair jesse burdick made me strong let's just like he gave me the programming behind me being strong at all on bench press but yeah i mean i did the work on it What is the most you've ever benched? You benched 500 once, right?

I've benched 500 with a slingshot. Most I've benched raw is 440. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Hey, and when you're benching, are your legs giving you any stability there? No, my legs are just kind of flopping around. They don't do anything. And so the whole time – so when you're benching, where are you in your body? Like where do you put your attention? Are you doing balance? Are you in your chest? Are you in your triceps? Where does Kevin Ogle vanish

into? Dr. Tim Jackson My brain goes into my scaps, my back, and my abs. Those are the two things I really have to focus on. The more I can keep my laps – my lats set and my abs abs on the better i bench because what about falling what about falling off the bench it's balanced you better have a stable bench damn you you do anything special a wider bench or or we we use a fat pad i mean just a lot of it's because i use the fat pad basically for my shoulders but what is that that's something you that you're you're lying on yeah so that's if you see in the in the thing um it's called a fat pad rogue sells it um gosh i

such a jerk because i can't remember the guy's name who invented it but he's a great dude um so it's it's a little bit wider it's a lot thicker yeah thompson yeah yeah thompson fat pad thank you donnie thompson so he invented that for for benchers and it helps my shoulders stay healthier and um i i love it that's that's the only thing i try to bench on and i you know when i switch over to a narrow bench say like in competition or something like that i don't really feel a difference i still feel just as strong oh that's good to know okay that's good to know so so you so you're competing and're competing, and you have goals to go to the games, and then you go to the OC Throwdown.

Can you tell me what happens there? OC Throwdown 2014, that was in January. We're through the competition. We're going to this event. Should have been my event. At that time, I wouldn't say I was the strongest guy in the CrossFit realm, but I was one of the stronger guys. If there was a heavy event, I was probably going to do pretty well on it.

This one was a three-rep max hang snatch, a back squat, and a push jerk or something like that. I don't remember what the last one was. I didn't make it there. They kept you in this little side room. They wanted it to be this big surprise. We're going to walk you out, and out and just going to be like, go. So you're in this like hallway and they walk you out and you basically have like 30 seconds to get to your platform and then beep, go.

And not a lot of time to check everything out. Well, they had stacked all the bumper plates directly behind the platforms or directly like behind you when you're lifting on the platforms. And so I went to go hit my first snatch. It felt awkward. It wasn't anything heavy for me at the time. And i was just like i'm just going to bail it backwards and start over i have plenty of time to hit this and um at that point in time i don't think anyone had snatched more than like 215 and i had like 235 on the bar um and so i was like it's not a big deal i'll just redo it and so i went to go drop it backwards realized i couldn't jump forwards

because there's a slight incline to the platform, and barbell hits my left shoulder, bounces off of me, hits the bumper plates that are behind me, the 45s, and ricochets off that at full speed right into my spine, right between T11 and T12, and severs it in half. Severs it in half? Yep. Puts it on two different sides of my body. Yep. Puts it on two different sides of my body. And, um, I don't know anatomy, but we have a cord down there, right? A spinal cord to like an electrical cord. That's like the main conduit for like, did that thing get broken too? Just cut the cable. my morals or my faith about things is like a quarter of an inch in either direction. I'd probably be dead instantly, but I didn't, like I had a small fracture in one vertebrae, but I didn't break any vertebrae.

I didn't have any internal damage. No, you didn't break any vertebrae. Just had a small fracture of, um, yeah, I just had a small fracture of one of like the, uh, overlapping joints, but that was it. Vertebrae were fine. Um, to this day, they're fine. And, um, just severed it in half perfectly the way it should have the way it needed to to keep me alive and there it is and so do you remember the whole event did you stay conscious oh yeah I was conscious the whole time my training partner's wife who's

thank thank god was a was a fire medic jumped the jumped the guardrails and came running over, holding her, I think her daughter was like three months old at that time, holding her baby and took charge. They were trying to move me off the platform and get me to move. They would have killed me. And so she came over and calmed me down. I was freaking out. I was in more pain than I've ever been in my entire life. It was like someone had doused me in gasoline from head to toe and every nerve, it just

set it on fire. Wow. So remember all of that. Remember waiting for the ambulance. Remember the ambulance ride. I don't, I didn't lose consciousness until they had to put me under for an MRI. Kevin, why can't they just, why couldn't they just bring the cords together? Well, I mean, you can, you can, but I mean, if you take like a, any cable, I can take like a power cable i can take like a power cable and you cut it yeah put the cables next to each other they're not going to do anything they're not going to conduct any electricity and that's kind of where i'm at

so my spine's back in line like i'm i'm fused so my my spinal column is one one line but even with those cords touching they're not going to do anything they're not going to transmit any electro electrical signaling and they don't grow back uh nerves do but it's so slow that i mean if i lived to be 800 maybe something would happen but um do you get a look do you still go uh for visits and they look at it and check it out or no it's over you're it's so beyond you behind you um do you ever have that thing you know like i don't even know how i have i have just to make sure that i'm not doing any damage to it. You know, I'm not super easy on myself or easy on like how hard I try on things.

And so I have like my bone density, even though I don't have like function is still higher than most people's. I don't have any bulging discs or anything around my fusion. Like my spine is perfectly healthy outside of the severing of that one portion of it, which is kind of unheard of for someone who's been in a chair for 10 years. I think a lot of that is CrossFit. Um, so I'll go get it checked out every once in a while, just to make sure I'm not doing anything stupid, but so far nothing. I was on one of my wild rants the other day, and I used you as an example. It's, it's hard for me to appreciate other people's hardship when I think about what you had to go through, what you had to overcome. That you went from a guy who played all the sports, just a fiery, passionate character, and then all of a sudden, hey, nope, sorry, you don't get your legs anymore.

you don't get your legs anymore. Well, I mean, it's, it sounds bad, but I'd rather have purpose than like function. And I've been really blessed with the last 10 years having a very, I think a very large purpose, a very large calling to, to help other people. And that's the only thing I've ever wanted to do. So like, yeah, it'd be like, it'd be cool to have leg functioning, I guess, but not with that, not if I had to sacrifice the purpose that I'm working on right now. And I think that you have, um, the reason why I bring the whole story up again is I think you've transcended, you know, your injury, you know, I think for maybe a couple of years, Oh, that was the guy that's the guy that, you know, lost his legs in the

CrossFit accident, but you're not that guy anymore. Now you're a staple in the community that that's like, probably like, you know, number 10, probably a lot of people have never even heard that story until just now. I mean, the more people who don't know, like I like, I like the story because it teaches people safety when you're talking about

set up and lifting and competitions. It's great. But the more people that like, I've always said it, the more I can kind of like fade in the background and help people from the back with it. I'm fine with that. Yeah.

I remember Greg saying, I, he does not talk about his uh polio i maybe i've heard and i'm around him a lot like a fucking lot like i talk to him every day and i've heard him talk about it less than a dozen times less than once a year but i the most kind of uh poignant thing he ever said to me is he, he doesn't talk about it cause he doesn't, he didn't want anyone ever to say he got, well, they did say he got tired of hearing, Oh, that's pretty good for a guy with one leg. And it's just like, he just didn't want to hear that anymore. So he doesn't, so he just stopped talking about it.

Yeah. I mean, that's, I think that's one of the cool things about the, the adaptive side of CrossFit now it's like, it's no longer, Oh, that's cool for a guy with one arm. Like we have people doing like one arm rope climbs and one arm handstand walks. It's not just good for someone with one arm. That's insane for anyone. Right.

The, the most, the thing that when I, if someone says adaptive and I close my eyes, the first thing that always pops into my head is the, the Logan guy who's now over. Yeah. Yeah. I love him and i just think of all those one-armed cleans and jerks and all that crazy shit he does my brain still can't

get my head wrapped around it every i just had one of those videos pop up the other day on my instagram like how how yeah we have a lot of athletes who do that stuff there's a guy named vick he's uh who's out north carolina i think he's down in florida now um who does the same thing casey ackery does it like yeah casey ackery that's watching casey ackery catch like 235 on one arm and a nub is incredible to me here's another thing that's probably not gonna be a popular thing i'm gonna say um when you see someone with a limb missing you you you start just maybe just thinking about function all these things the last thing you think is oh that's a beautiful body but not only that

these guys have beautiful bodies like logan and casey's bodies are like they're these are like greek gods you're like holy shit these guys are beautiful human beings what one the one thing i think able-bodied athletes could really learn from adaptive athletes is working on their efficiency. If you watch Casey, Logan, Vic, any of these one-arm seated athletes, any of these guys, their efficiency is out of this world because they can't hide it with hip function or two hands. And so like the efficiency of their movement has to be impeccable.

And they work that skill a ton. And I think a lot more able-bodied athletes did that. We'd see a huge spike in a lot of these numbers for a lot of these workouts. That goes back to what we were talking about earlier too, about resting and doing the not fun stuff. Those guys have clearly concentrated on their motor recruitment patterns and all the minutiae, right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you have to. If you're on Clean and Jerk 225 with one hand, you have to be almost perfect. Yeah, is that a world record for one hand?

That's the heaviest I've ever seen one-handed Clean and Jerk from Logan. Yeah, this dude's such a stud. So Casey's closer to 300 but he's what we call a two-point contact because he actually uses that that residual limb to help stabilize which no less impressive he's still cleaning residual yeah that's what it is uh so like he i mean he's still cleaning drinking close to 300 pounds or around 300 pounds uh so like he i mean he's still clean drinking close to 300 pounds or around 300 pounds

so i'm looking up the definition of residual i just love uh uh what remains after most of something is gone oh god it is yeah of course of course uh beaver my wife just texted me and told me that she sent you my X-ray. Are you cool with me pulling it up? Yeah, dude, as long as it's not going to make people sick. I think it'll be fine. Pull it up. So the accident happens, and what happens then? What happens to your... Wow.

Yeah, so that's my T11, T12 junction. And the only fracture... You see that little chip right there? That's the only fracture I had. It looks like you have two spines. What's all those white things in the back that go parallel to your spine? What is that? Bony prominences.

That's the part that's out your back. This is like your main spine. Oh, and that other stuff... Is that your rib cage on that side which way where's this where's this belly button so i think this is yeah i think this is upside down so my hips are higher than the rest of everything else oh okay so that lump in the back's your ass no that's that's where the that's where the my my bones are pushing out. Holy shit. Okay, so how long before you recover? Oh, man. Well, I was sneaking out of the hospital like two weeks later to go back to my CrossFit gym

because I was sick of doing lat pull-downs and bicep curls so i don't know like truly recover i don't know man like in the hospital being in the hospital like you have everyone around you it's fine the first three months out of the hospital was probably the worst the hardest part it was miserable like i uh i mean i know the suicide rate within the first three months outside of hospitals is probably highest for paraplegics. And there's a reason it's just really hard. There's a lot of reminders. There's a lot of struggling.

Like what once took you two minutes is now taking you an hour and a half to do. And it's really frustrating. And I don't know. I think you're learning everything. Cars, brushing your teeth, making a bullet, taking a shit. Everything's brand new. You have to learn how to sit up. I don to learn how to sit up, put on my shoes, wipe my own butt. Like they're like, you have to learn everything again. Um,

and so it's, and they try to teach in the hospital as best they can, but at a certain point it's once the training wheels comes off, it's still really rough and it's a really hard go. And I was, I was super fortunate to have, um, a group of, of other paraplegics, other wheelies that reached out to me and helped me out. Um, Chris Dautenberg, who was one of the co-owners of wheel wide with me was one of them, Angel Gonzalez, Gustavo Marquez. Um, like those guys were, were a rock for me when I really needed it and helped me through a lot of the darker points of that. But even just the CrossFit community, like seeing how much the CrossFit community rallied around me, like I was fired

up. I had a purpose. I knew what I needed to work on. And so I think I just kind of put my head down and worked. I don't know if it was the healthiest thing. It probably caught up with me like a year later when I actually had to like take stock on what I lost and process it. But it helped me through that hard time initially. And so I don't know, like a couple, a couple of years before I felt, I wouldn't say normal, but it felt like I had a grasp on what was going on. Um, so what I heard you say is basically it happened. And instead of like focusing, so, so let me go back a second. Um, there was a guy, I can't remember who, if he was on the show or it was a story I heard, but basically he said after, I can't even remember what happened to him. He had an accident and his whole entire vision for the future of his life, when he looked at it, it was no longer there because whatever happened to him was, he couldn't do anymore. Right. Did that, and I was like, Hey, did you even know you had a vision before? Is that what happened to you too? Like you get home and you're like, oh shit, the whole future is gone.

Like no, no, no. No, I mean, it goes back to what I believe in. I believe in hard work. I believe in God puts us on this earth for a reason. I've always known my reason was to help. And so I woke up from my first surgery that I had a 15% chance of surviving from knowing that if I was still alive and I wasn't dead, that God had kept me on this earth for a very specific purpose.

And I wasn't a hundred percent sure what it was yet. I knew it was to help people, but I was going to work my ass off and figure it out. But I, I, I don't really think I like obviously had nights where I was like, this is horrible. I hate this.

Like, I don't know why it was kept alive, but on, on the whole overall, like the second I woke up from that surgery that was supposed to kill me, like I had a doctor come in and say, call people you love. You are not surviving the surgery.

Say goodbye. No shit. Yeah. yeah i spent did you do that oh yeah a few hours calling people that i cared about like uh my cousin david i grew up with my best friend i remember that phone call i don't remember a lot of them because i was on a lot of drugs i remember that phone call having to tell him that like i wasn't going to make it this he was what did they think was going to happen to you what did they think you were going to bleed out or something? So I had what's called a spinal thoracotomy. So they had, because of the severity of my break, they had to go through my side.

So they basically had to slice my side open, deflate my lung, pull out my organs, go in from the top and like inch by inch, maybe even centimeter by centimeter, like realign my spine and hope that one of those movements didn't kill me. And it was like, I think like a nine or 10 hour surgery of just gushing blood. And so like, I lost most of my blood. I lost a lot of blood. I had a lot of transfusions. So shout out to anyone that's given blood because it's kept me alive. But when I say CrossFit

saved my life, most people die from that surgery because they don't have enough oxygen left in the blood that they have that it kills them. The brain dead you're dead and because i've been training crossfit and living uh training crossfit in colorado for so long my red blood cell count was high enough to keep me alive dude i didn't know that story i'd never heard that story so you that'll that'll fucking reset your shit huh calling people and telling them goodbye oh yeah i had to call like everyone that was in my family that hadn't made it out yet had to give them a call all my friends like just one by one just started calling people and telling them like hey i'm not making the surgery so love you but goodbye

so like waking up from that waking up from the first surgery not dead felt pretty lucky like i've never felt and i can only express it as like the hand of god helping me i've never felt more calm and at peace in my entire life wow so not scared not scared not freaking out just calm complete surrender to what yeah whatever he needs me to do. That's what I'm going to do. When you call those people, are there a lot of tears? Oh yeah, dude.

I've never cried. Well, maybe probably one of the most times I've ever cried in my entire life. Was that, was that, yeah. Like you're just on the phone. Like there's probably phone calls. They probably couldn't understand me.

I was sobbing so much. Like how are you supposed to tell someone goodbye? Holy shit. I just keep thinking of what your parents must have gone through holy shit oh my like yeah i'm so thankful they got to get out there and see me before that surgery so like we had a whole bunch of people around us back then with the barbells for boobs people who flew them out make sure they got out there um to see me before i had to go on that first surgery just in case i did pass away so so so you and you make it out of that and is that the last surgery you had no i just said so that one was just to get my spine back in line and so then they had to slice me down the back and then put my hardware in so i have four plates two rods and eight screws from t10 down to l1 any complications during any of this no my the The surgeon in Colorado when I went to Craig

who saw my x-rays with my hardware in said he has never seen a more perfect surgery in their entire life. I could fall off a 10-story building. The only thing that would survive is that section of my spine because it's the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. Oh, God. I love hearing that. Stephen Flores, what was your PT's thoughts on you still doing CrossFit? Um, I was, I was lucky. Uh, the, the guy who was actually my PT at Craig hospital does did CrossFit in his garage. So I was

lucky. Um, most everyone at Craig didn't like it. Uh, they thought it was silly. That's why I was sneaking out to go do it. Um, they thought I was going to hurt myself. I had one, um, doctor tell me that I shouldn't do CrossFit cause pressing something overhead is dangerous for my shoulders, but I should go try downhill skiing, which when I brought up the, when I brought up the cognitive dissonance and the stupidity of that sentence, he did not like me much anymore. Um, but then honestly, now they love it. Uh, after a couple of years of me showing them what CrossFit could do, they were one of the outings for Craig now. So Craig PTs refer inpatients and outpatients to come to my gym to learn how to do CrossFit.

Oh, dude, that is what a success story. rickshaw dips 10 pound dumbbells for bicep curls to rings rowers skiergs um barbells like they have they have a mini mini gym inside their facility at this point i do love a lap pull down i mean they're fun but that wasn't at that point in time that wasn't what's going to make me right better at moving my own body around right i'm like my lats were already strong enough i need to learn the mechanics of moving yeah i just i when i went to a hotel gym recently um in ben oregon and my kids had never done a lap pull down and we we just hung out at the lap pull down machine god i used to love the car like don't get me wrong i still love i still love some meathead stuff like yeah every once in a while some reverse flies and lap pull lat pulldowns, bicep curls.

I still like them. I had them do skull crushers there. All this shit. Oh, yeah. So much fun shit. The seated shoulder press. God. God, the meathead gym is so fun.

Great story. You've parlayed all of these things and and it's it's every day your life makes more and more sense especially as people like who come from this hospital come to your gym you're like got it got it this is like sort of the matt schindeldecker thing but he had this crazy life happened to him and 25 years later i don't know if you know his story do you know his story no not to have my head he's he's a gym owner in ohio and wild wild stories as a youth and now he's oh yeah yeah i know right right i know you're talking about yeah he's killing and shit and like now now he's like 25 years later he's like oh shit that's this whole process was for this so you're really he's gonna be really

mad at me that i didn't remember him off the top of my head I apologize Matt Me and him have talked a bunch of times yeah Sorry Matt Nah nah nah I put you on the spot If you would have brought up his name I would have forgot to So all that's going And when do you start

Thinking about comps again Tell me about Wheelwad And your relationship with What do you guys call him you guys call him stout stouty stouty his name's his name's chris stoutenberg but we just call him stouty because he's canadian and you can't have a canadian with a nickname okay uh i like stoutenberg is he jewish i i've never asked oh stoutenberg is he is that stoutenberg where he's jewish i don't i don't think he's jewish but his name's stoutenberg where he's Jewish. I don't, I don't think he's Jewish, but his name is Stoutenberg.

I'll anoint him. He's now Jewish. How did your paths cross with him? And how did you get, when did you start thinking, Oh, I could, I could actually still compete. So he reached out to me like within the first week of me being in the hospital. And he was kind of like the attitude that I needed. Cause it was basically like, you know, you're fine. This isn't that bad of a life. You can, you can do what you need to stop being, stop being a pansy. You know, you're not broken. You're not, you're not lesser just, you know, work. And so we became really close while I was in the hospital.

He was a mentor of mine, like walking me through, walking me through, rolling me through a lot of this stuff. He doesn't have, he doesn't have access to his legs. He doesn't. So he was paralyzed, I guess it's 25 years so he's here's a cool story for you for for the benefits of crossfit he was paralyzed 25 years ago uh he was on he was playing um football down in illinois even though he's from canada and the the railing broke and he fell 15 feet onto onto uh the only patch of grass that was there on two sides of concrete and um himself. He's a T4, T5 paraplegic. So basically like nipple line down. He's the one on the wind, multiple gold medals for the Pan-Olympics in basketball. When you're tired from that, he started crossfitting.

He just recently broke his leg from a spat, like he spasmed when he caught his leg underneath his bed frame and snapped his femur. And normally at that point, he's been in a chair for so long, you're so osteoporotic or, um, your bones are so brittle. They basically have to amputate because you can't, you can't bind the bones. But after,

you know, 10, 12 years of CrossFit plus, uh, he still has the bone density of a walking person. And the only reason we can think of is CrossFit. We load the legs. We,

we move around, we force everybody to move. And so his bone density saved his life. Wow. We move around. We force those bodies to move. And so his bone density saved his life. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. That's a good story. So we met, we started chatting about things. So I got hurt in January. I got out of the hospital at the beginning of March. I think I got out of the hospital either right after or right before the first week of the open. And I had never missed an open to that point. I refused to miss an open. And, um, so I got out and I was like, Saudi, what are we going to do for this? And he'd already been adapting the open

for a couple of years. He started in like 2011, 2012. And so he just started adapting the open workouts as they came out and we did them at, did them for fun against each other and just talk trash. And then the next year we got it on con corner and started bringing more people in the next year. People that were, you know, this is 2016 at this point, we didn't have people involved that we had,

uh, I think the very first in-person competition for the wheel wad games, we brought everyone at that back then. It was just like, what year is that? What year is that? I think 16, 16.

Um, that was that, that year we just had, if you're a seated, you're a seated athlete. If you're standing with a lower extremity or lower standing, an upper standing, that was the only three categories we had. Um, you know, 2017 grew more 2018, uh, grooving more. Uh, and that's this time, like I was kind of competing. I was throwing down on the online stuff, but I was more focused on trying to help Saudi on the backend or help develop more of

these adaptive this adaptive stuff and so i would compete for funsies but um i didn't really compete in person uh outside of wadapalooza so did that for a couple years before i started helping run it the only time i really competed in person was uh 2018 at the wheel wide games was the only year i did it and how many how big is wheel wide this year how big year I did it. And how, how many, how big is wheel wide this year? How big was it? How many competitors? Uh,

we had 110 adaptive athletes at the games this last year. And how many divisions is that? We had 14 last year. We have 15 this year. Yeah. What's the end to that? Is it impossible to have a division for everyone yes it is impossible it's impossible i mean if you want to start breaking it down to what's completely fair you'd have to break it down for seated athletes vertebrae by vertebrae

you'd have to start breaking it down um for for uh even amputees by how long their residual limb is right like you'd like it's it's impossible to make it completely fair but so is crossfit right you mean i mean i'm i'm six three where i was six three when i was standing up and competing i mean it's fair for me to try to squat as fast as you know chris spieler right it's not gonna happen it's not fair but it's a sport you know what is the what is the temperament around that as the – so here you are putting on this event, and I bring it up because it's what I always hear about the most, like right at the beginning of the event and then after the event, you always hear a little bit of noise from that, right? that people explain it to me um but as you put on this event and there's all these different classes and you're doing your best and then people complain what's your temperament about that or do people not complain i feel like i hear people complain people complain and like to be fair we'll take their complaints and we'll look into them if it's a valid complaint yeah it's

something we should fix and and help hopefully have them help us develop it. It's not falling on deaf ears. My big thing, and I've been saying this for years, I just recently found out, I guess it's a Teddy Roosevelt quote, is bringing up problems without a solution is called whining. Oh, I just saw that a couple of days ago on Instagram. That's pretty good. Yeah, I've been saying that for years. I don't mind you bringing problems to me.

I like constructive criticism obviously i'm on the level one level two staff let's get that all the time like i love that stuff like tell me how to be better and let me look into how to make that work but if you come to me and you just always whine and you never present a solution to things i'm just going to kind of start ignoring you because like if you're not presenting solutions you're always presenting problems um the goal is i assume is you're trying to make it fair but you still need competitive classes like like i guess on one hand you can be like hey asshole do you want to show up and you're the only person in your uh it's like when my mom goes and runs a marathon and she's like i won the gold

and i go how many people in your division she goes just me well i mean it's like do you want someone to compete against or not? Right. I mean, that that's how the minutia that you could get into with vertebrae and how much of your arm you have and how much hip and all that shit. Right. Yeah. And you can. And so what we look for is how much of it.

And this is kind of the tough part. How much of it is because of your fitness and how much of it is because of your impairment. And at certain times, like, there's just, there's some things like, Hey dude, you're just a pussy. I mean, I probably wouldn't phrase it that way, but yeah, sometimes it's just like, you're just not fit. It is not because you're like, it's not because you're impairment that you can't do this movement. You are just unfit at that movement. And that's not a dig on your character. That should fire you up to go work on it. It shouldn't be like, Hey,

I'm unfit at this. I I'm'm gonna shut down and cry myself to sleep it's like no i suck at this well damn next time i'm not gonna suck at this okay let me let me let me give you a real world example since we saw casey acre so you got you got casey acre who has that residual limb that he can would he compete against logan would they both be one arm got no they're two so we have upper one point upper two point depends on on how much control that residual in contact is that what you're yeah so one point of contact and two point of contact so casey uses straps and everything for uh two points of contact and logan always does most things with one point of contact and so there's there's certain things like that where logan doesn't have the option because of impairment to attach the

same way Casey does that transition times to strap into certain things to try to make it fair. Don't make sense. It's the same reason why we have seated with hip and seated without hip. So I'm seated without hip. I have no hip function for me to compete with someone who has the stability, strength, coordination, all that other kind of stuff of hip function. I'm never going to like, I could probably beat some of those guys, it's never gonna be i'm the amount of work i have to do past fitness to beat you is creates a wildly unfair and so like we are looking for big differences that create like almost insurmountable differences um a unicycle versus a bicycle race it's just not yeah it doesn't make sense and so like we split there

but if you come to tell me and say like hey like he has an extra inch of residual limb or he's too vertebrae above me it's like okay be fitter work harder are you an uncharted is CrossFit an uncharted territory are you guys inventing the wheel like this is not

I mean I know there's been other adaptive events, but not with a myriad of movements, right? I mean like no one's ever done a – I saw one of your videos I was watching on Instagram. You're doing a sled pool crawling. I'm like, shit, I've never seen that. So like in some things, you just have to – you're reinventing the wheel, right? Or not reinventing the wheel. Sorry, a 4 in some things, you're reinventing the wheel, right? Or not reinventing the wheel. Sorry, of forging new ground. Opposite of reinventing the wheel.

I can't for sure say that we are doing things for the first time. First time for me, maybe. Right. That was the first time me crawling and stuff like that. I know some people have probably done it before me. If you did that as a race at Wheelwad, you can't go look at the Olympics and see what they did. They never done that. Yeah.

No one's ever done that, right? The big difference here is that like, we can't, we can take some stuff from Paralympic sports. We can't take a lot because when you were talking about Paralympic sports or Olympic sports, they have a very specific Avenue of, of work.

Like if you're a sprinter, you're just sprinting. So they can correct for this, for the mechanics of the sprint and make it as fair as possible. If you're talking about, you know, bench press, which is a pair of powerlifting, like you can correct for a lot of that stuff because you're only doing one movement. The, the,

the trouble with classifying and programming for CrossFit is that everything's on the table. And so we can't just say, Hey, you know, we're going to take away this stuff from you because we're only doing this movement. It could be any movement. So we have to broaden our scope of thought as far as what movement looks like, what's fair and not fair, and how this can be corrected for within programming. Hey, could Casey enter if he said, hey, I'm not going to use my residual limb? Could he enter the division that Logan's in? Yeah, he could, I guess.

Could an able-bodied person enter? No. You can't have two limbs and be like, hey, I'm going to go against Logan, but I'm just going to use one too? No. So our definition is what we look at is that you have to have a permanent impairment that has measurable effects on power output. Okay. This sounds like CrossFit. Yeah.

So we're looking at your body's capacity to produce power and how your impairment affects that. But it has to be a permanent impairment that affects it. We do have a category now that's brand new. It's called standing diagnosed. It's for people who have a permanent impairment or diagnosis that their impairments are present and affect power output, but are unmeasurable, or I should say uncorrectable. So like, like someone with MS may have like heat intolerance. Well, we can't say, well, you have this much more heat intolerance than someone else. So we're going to decrease your weight by five pounds or reps by six reps. You know have severe fatigue that comes alongside dialysis or anything like that, or lung capacity.

We have a guy who has 50% of his lung capacity. We can't say that you're- How about Rory McKernan? He only has one testicle. Really? As manly as that dude is? That is true. I think God took his testicle,

so he wasn't even more manly than he is that's insane can you imagine he is manly as fuck that's great he actually like i think i have a pretty good beard he out beards me for sure and dude his head is like a block he is a man child he is beautiful he is a beast okay that that that's that's wild uh that one that division is going to get what why you open yourself up to a can of worms with that one. Here's what I'm guessing. Tell me if this is true. You opened that up as kind of a catch-all to appease people, but in the end, it's just going to be a crazy headache for you.

Someone's going to be like – I mean, there was a girl I think I saw competing at Wheelwad one year, and she had exercised-induced Tourette's. And her Tourette's was crazy when she started exercising. I want to say she was rowing and would take one hand off the rower and do some shit. Would that fall under that category? That would fall. And that's kind of like her and a couple of people. We didn't open it up to kind of catch all, but we opened it up because we saw this. I mean, I'm, I mean, like, where do you stop?

Where do you stop, Kevin? Like, where do you stop? We stop at, it has to be a, uh, uh, a diagnosed, uh, disorder. It has to have unmeasurable secondary and tertiary, um, symptoms. So like a good, um, a good example, we had this guy ask a question and unfortunately we just don't have a spot for it yet. Um, someone asked about a heart transplant. Oh, wow.

Wow. And I can, that's valid as shit. Cause you can be like, yep, you yet. Someone asked about a heart transplant. Oh, wow. Wow. That's valid as shit because you can be like, yep, you got a new heart. Well, it doesn't qualify. Let me tell you why. So we consulted my father-in-law happens to be a very successful cardiothoracic surgeon. So I called him. I wanted to talk through the symptoms. And his exact words were, not that there's nothing that's wrong with heart transplant or like something you don't have to deal with afterwards. But if the heart transplant went well, like you shouldn't have that many symptoms that are that limiting outside of like just checking yourself, which is something we can't really measure for. If the heart transplant didn't go well, you probably shouldn't be competing.

You should be taking care of yourself. Right. And so what we're looking for is like secondary and tertiary impairments that we can't really measure but have a direct effect on someone's ability to produce power. Like heat exhaustion, fatigue, lack of lung function. We can't measure these things to the point of correlating them to how we change programming, but they are present. We can see their effect on power output. It must be kind of crazy when, um, I don't know if this has happened. I'm guessing it's happened when someone tries to enter a class, but, but they think they qualify for, and they don't, and you have to tell them that must be like a hard conversation. It is. And like, um, I mean, we try to to we try to have a place for almost everyone um

but in all fairness like some people just don't qualify and it's very hard conversation and we have a lot of people who are i mean i wouldn't say a lot i mean out of the number of athletes have it was a small handful of athletes who are probably very upset with me and probably don't like me too much because of the conversations i've had to have with them because like no one no one wants to hear and it's not that we're saying like hey you're not you're not crippled enough you're not adaptive enough it's just right right that's how they probably hear it like yeah yeah here are guidelines please tell me what like and i've had this conversation with a few like here are guidelines that we're putting people in classes for you think you're in this class we think you're in this class because here

are our guidelines we're not saying that you're that you don't have to struggle with the things we're not saying that things aren't hard for you we're not saying that you're that you don't have to struggle with the things we're not saying that things aren't hard for you we're not saying that you're not an adaptive athlete what we're saying is that like we have to split things somewhere and unfortunately that's going to affect people and just because you think that your symptoms are here doesn't mean that they're measurably there right and that's a that's a hard thing for people to hear but what i want people to think about that like if someone came to me as an adaptive athlete myself and said hey you have worked your ass off and you've developed this function to the point where it's no longer fair for you to compete in this category we're going to have you compete in this

category you know how stoked I would be oh interesting even if it meant that I was at the what would that mean I was at the bottom of the barrel. For me, it's not going to happen because I'm not going to regain hip function by hard work. But for some of our neuroathletes or mostly just our neuroathletes. You've seen that happen? Someone enter a division that was a

less, apologize if this is the wrong word, less capable division and then they graduate like oh dude hey two years ago we didn't see your hip moving now we see your hip moving you got to move up yeah i mean lateral i don't know i love you i love this guy to death death uh brett horshar he's a multi-times games winner he is a phenomenal human he is awesome two two three years ago had a relapse of his ms i would categorize him as minor neuro. He had some visible stuff that we can measure and put him in minor neuro. He has since been good.

His MS has been, it's not technically a remission, but it kind of is a remission. And he's been training his ass off. I would put him in, he is currently in standing diagnosed. He's one of our toughest standing diagnosed athletes. How did he take it? Did he take it good? He took it great. He understands like he he's a smart dude like we show him the guidelines and he he reads them and he's like dude you're creating spaces for me yeah this dude is not only a great at like you're like almost hate someone because they're so nice and look good with their shirt off yeah you're like that's not him yeah yeah but that dude's one of that dude falls in that category yeah like bre Like Brett's, Brett's one of those dudes. Like he's a fit looks great. And like one of the nicest dudes I've ever met. And like, I don't know. So he took it. Well, some people didn't take it well, but there's some people again, who probably dislike me. And in all honesty, if I'm doing my job well, and trying to eliminate every bias that I have, there should be some people that hate me. And if everyone loves me, then I'm probably not doing my job that well and trying to eliminate every bias that i have there should be some people that

hate me and if everyone loves me then i'm probably not doing my job that well yeah don't hate kevin dude you guys are out of your mind i don't believe it uh look at madeline uh edgar in the green dress i love nice shirtless people yeah that's cool um kevin you have a pretty um a famous uh sense of humor i want to show you i want to show you this sorry caleb uh i didn't i didn't tell you this i want to show you this video right here i love this video yeah I'm gonna play the video And then we'll talk about how this comes about And like So it's the meme for time guy

Is coaching another athlete And then that's Is that your wife coaching you? Yep And then it's a race And you're And then it's a race And your Instagram account is littered with Funny bits and stunts

And one liners and all sorts Of stuff like this So many questions about this Has anyone ever pushed you out of it Has that pushed you out of a chair before Who comes up with that idea Is anyone be like that's so insensitive Or now that's going to start Has anyone ever pushed you out of a chair before? Who comes up with that idea? Is anyone be like, that's so insensitive?

Or now that's going to start pushing people out of wheelchairs? Or are you just like, fuck you. It's my life. I'm going to be funny. I mean, it's a great bit. If you can't take a joke, if you don't have a sense of humor and that offends you, it's probably not someone I really want to talk to because you take life too seriously. It's based on the fact that you shouldn't push someone out of a wheelchair, and that's the funny bit. Why? That's the bit, right?

Why? You're right. Get out of the way. I guess what you're saying is you shouldn't push someone out of a wheelchair as much as you shouldn't push anyone down. Yeah. Why does a wheelchair have to qualify anything? So this all came about because I think it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious too.

Yeah. And fun to watch. It's visually like, oh, shit, he's really really gonna push kevin out i can't wait to see what happens yeah like i i've wanted to do a video where someone pushes me out in public forever and i and i met earlo and i was like hey what do you think about tossing me out of my chair you're you're pretty adventurous with this this adaptive that was your idea i want to do it forever yeah wow okay and so he like he's like let me think about it let me think this through and so i saw him at the wheel wide games he he was doing all these things. He's like,

I finally got it. I know what I want to do. And so he pitched this idea to me. We're like, that's Brett Paulzer. He's one of the adaptive athletes that, uh, in seated with hip. He's great guy. And, um, he's like, what if you start to beat Brett at something and I tackle you out of your chair? He's like, are you okay with me tackling you? I'm like, dude, I have missed being tackled so much for my rugby days. Hit me as hard as you want. Let for it he's like you sure i'm like what's like we'll put some padding down what's the worst that happens like i'm already paralyzed you're not gonna like do anything worse to me so like let's send it and um is that in one take uh no it was like three takes because he wasn't comfortable hitting you hard enough to knock you over no it actually he hit me pretty hard a few times um but we just we just missed it it wasn't right timing a few times so it was like

i think it was like three or four takes and it was in front of the audience at the wheel game so there was actually people in the stands watching it's pretty it's pretty good uh the timing is pretty amazing yeah how he runs up so how many times did you get pushed out of the chair? Probably like three or four. Damn. Yeah, it's a great bit. Do you ever get any – I guess obviously you don't care, but do you ever get any negative feedback about your joking around? Oh, yeah. I offend people all the time. They get offended by me, for me, I guess is a way of saying it.

I know that group. Yes. Yes. Like I'm always make the joke. Like when they ask like, Hey, do you need to have like when I get groceries? Like, Hey, do you need help out to the car? I'm like, nah, I'm a pretty good self-propelled shopping cart. And like I had a lady one time, I grabbed my shoulder and spin me around and be like, don't talk about yourself that way.

You're so much more than a shopping cart. And I was like, chill lady is a joke. I understand're so much more than a shopping cart and i was like chill lady is the joke i understand that i'm more than a shopping cart i'm sentient all right it's a completely different thing so you know what's interesting so you see someone who's um uh pregnant uh you see someone who's uh missing an arm uh you see someone who's a dwarf you see just whatever uh you see two guys holding hands or kissing you just see there's things in life that you see that you're not used to seeing and so what people do is they pull away from it right i was gonna say a septum ring but now we see that all the time but people people pull away and that i i it's a bummer right like someone sees a pregnant woman and it's a bummer, right? Like someone sees a pregnant woman, and it's like her belly's out, and you stare, but you're like – it's almost like taboo to stare.

But – or you see someone who's only four feet tall, and it's taboo to stare. But the thing is, is like – I just love what you're doing because we shouldn't do that. Those people – no one wants to be isolated because they. Those people, no one wants to be isolated because they look different. No, and people project about that stuff. It's not actually bad. People don't actually hate it. They're so uncomfortable with their own stuff that like well they're uncomfortable with the unknown that's the whole that's the i mean i brought the the guy uh two guys kissing like the reason why that fucking bugs people

i would say 99 people is because they're fucking they've never seen it before it's completely foreign to them it was like they saw a ufo and so you see like um uh i hate to keep going back to the dwarf thing but you just don't see it so when you see it in your seven-year-old kid you're gonna fucking stare you just i mean uh anytime i go somewhere and there's an adult with down syndrome my kids will stare they don't know what's going they they just know something's different and so the more we make it taboo or there's not joking then those people won't be – that awkwardness will be there. And I just love that you're speaking that wall.

What's wrong with – like here's my thing. I've had this conversation with a lot of adaptive athletes. This may be an opinion that pisses off some adaptive athletes. Why do you care if someone's staring at you? Right. Why? Why do you care? I mean they're just trying to figure things out.

Why does it offend you? Like I'm a 6'3",3 220 pound ginger with a big beard in a wheelchair yeah like people are going to stare at me no matter what i do i'm a human never seen anything like you yeah yeah you're a rolling sea you're a great thing walking down the street yeah who cares let them let them stare let them figure it out like it'll make them more comfortable especially kids anyone talk to you little kids all the time oh my god it's my absolute favorite it's my absolute favorite because they're so honest and they ask such great questions. And dude, if you get mad at a kid for staring at you because you have a disability, you need to really reflect on

why you hate yourself. Cause that's the only reason I can come up with. If you're upset at a kid for staring at you, it's because you're not comfortable with you. It's not that you don't like them staring. It's that you hate who you are and you really need to take a look at that. Right. I don't hate who I am. I have a great life. I have a hot wife. I have a cool gym.

I have a great job. Like I get to do some really great stuff. I get to help some people. Why do I care if you're staring at me? Go ahead. Like take, take a gander. Like I'm a weird looking person.

I look like the Kool-Aid guy in a wheelchair, little tiny legs, big red upper body, like stare away, man. Do you have a Kool-Aid shirt? I don't. I need to get a Kool-Aid guy in a wheelchair. Little tiny legs, big red upper body. Like, stare away, man. Do you have a Kool-Aid shirt? I don't. I need to get a Kool-Aid shirt. Steal that. Everyone at WheelWad thanked me for tackling Kevin.

They said they wish they could have. Yeah, that's true. I had a lot of people who asked if we're going to start selling tickets to tackle me next year. Damn. start selling tickets to tackle me next year damn uh wheel wad is the same week as wadapalooza yes as far as i know okay as far as i know too um is that just a is that just a major bummer or is that like fuck yeah cool we have the community so big we have two events at the same time dude that'd be like me getting upset because there's a crossfit gym two miles down the road okay i'm not going to attract the same people that are going to want to go to huntington beach

i'm not going we're going to attract a different audience we're going to attract a different set of sponsors we're going to attract a different set of this we're going to attract different things and like hopefully like we're going to have a live stream hopefully they have a live stream so people can like go and watch both and enjoy both. But we just have, there's too many competitions now, like bigger competitions to be like, Oh,

only one this weekend, early month. And I, I really hope that it is a smashing success out at Huntington beach. I hope they'd absolutely crush it. Hope it's a great event. I know nothing about it. And so,

but they are notorious for pay for having good adaptive classes, right? The loud and loud people. I mean, yeah. They generally contract wheel wide. The adaptive waterpalooza is run by wheel wide. So will they contract you? Will you have to be in two places at the same time? No. We already talked to them and discussed it. Just for this first year and the way they have it planned for what we've been told. It just didn't make sense to bring in adaptive when they haven't figured out what they're going to do with, with able-bodied debt. Um, and so like nothing, nothing there, but there's also no animosity. They're not mad at us. We're not mad at them. Like it's, it's not like a, Oh, how dare you? It's like, no, like they're, they're, we're going to attract different people.

And that's great. It sounds like they're going to try some new stuff in regards to competitions in general there at socal from talking to dylan are you excited so what what are you what are you are you excited about the tell me about uh the crossfit games this year for the adaptive class do you know the location and the date yeah so we so we have the opens the same time as the open so everyone's going to do the same thing we'll release on the same day about two hours after we're going to have a live adaptive announcement, two hours after the able-bodied so that people can tune in two hours later to our channels and watch three different adaptive athletes from three different

categories. Throw down on the adaptive versions each week. We're going to have a semifinals. Wait a second. Wait a second. On Thursdays at 1. PM. 2. PM. Two. Okay. Sorry. Wait a second. Are you going to be on Thursdays at 1 p.m.? 2 p.m.

Okay, sorry. Thursdays on 2 p.m. Will that be on the CrossFit Games YouTube station? It's going to be on our YouTube. I think CrossFit, we're working on that. We're working with them to see how much they can help us share it and what their bandwidth is on that. But it'll be on our

YouTube. It'll be on our Instagram. We're going to share it as much as possible. But, yeah, we're going to have three athletes each week. They're going to throw down the adaptive versions and a local affiliate. So the first affiliate, because I'm selfish and a turd, we're going to do it at mine for the first week because I want to. Yeah, yeah. The next week is going to be at CrossFit Arvada,

and then the final week is going to be at News River in North Carolina. When you choose which guys are going to be at crossfit arvada and then the final week's going to be at noose river in north carolina when you choose these which guys are going to go are you like well we have to include everyone are you like fuck that we're choosing the guys who are most interesting we're going to choose uh a swooshy and tater because people want to see that shit go down and we're going to choose the guys with the one arms because they're the strongest and we're going to choose uh these women because they're the prettiest. Do you do it for showmanship or are you like, well, I have to do this? Sorry, I'm making fun of you. I don't have to do anything. Okay, good.

But what I chose to do is – Please tell me you're doing tater and swooshy. Please. No. We had a couple guidelines from me. This is my guidelines. One, we had to make it cost effective. It's our first year trying to do this.

I really want to make sure it was good. So we chose local people around their affiliates. Then we chose people that haven't really been shown. There are the categories haven't been shown too much over the last couple of years because they weren't at the actual CrossFit games. So we have seated athletes going. We have short stature athletes going. We have an AK going. We have.

Wait, so there'll only be one short stature person going no i mean yeah at the time yeah so there's going to be aaron popovich week one and then blaise foster week three okay so okay okay trust me i understand the um uh the the money thing it's crazy it's crazy bringing people in and hotels and flights and all that. All right, cool. I want to help promote those too. That what, what do you do on Thursday?

So let me know anything I can do or talk about, or we'll send you all the information. Okay. Yeah. It's going to be really cool. We're bringing like all the gyms in any champions, any, uh,

which week. Um, let's see. I like the champions. I like winners. So Josh Robinson week one, he's the, uh,

neuro minor champion. Um, uh, Brandon man, he's third place in the world right now. He'll be at week one. Aaron Popovich is the fittest short stature female. So she'll be at week one week two.

We have, uh, Lauren Farhat who competed at the CrossFit games, but also as the number one, number one fittest lower AK currently. Then we have Andrea Wilson that week. She's the fittest seated female without hip function. And then we also have Russell Allmendinger, who is one of the fittest neuromuscular majors in the world.

Russell Allmendinger? Yeah. Allmendinger. Yep. Damn. One of the coolest guys. Dude's the nicest dude. He's yes sir, no sir all day.

He's just great. I'm pretty sure if I told that dude to run his head into a wall until he made a hole, he would do the exact thing I told him. He's just phenomenal. And then week three, we have John Heath, who I believe is second or third in the world right now for bk uh blaze foster who's third right now in the world for short stature and uh christina mazzolo who's number one in the world right now for upper two point for females let me see this oh is that russell allmendinger what a name dude damn allm. Hey, let me see this. He's a monster.

Yeah, let me see this Blaze dude. Blaze Foster is awesome. He's also one of the top lifters in the world right now for the power lifting team. How did he do last year at the games? Third. Third. And that's the year that Swoosh and Tater tied, right? Well, I'm talking about wheel wide.

This last wheel wide, Tater won, Swoosh was second, and then Blaze was third. But how about for the games? He was actually competing for a pair of powerlifting, so he didn't do the games. So he competes on the world stage for bench press. Can he beat Tim or Mikey? Dude's he's real close man the guy the guy works on some skills and drills and some some gymnastics stuff and it's going to be a three three-way race this year or all three of the oh i so i guess you don't know who's going because you don't know who's qualified yet yeah i don't know who's qualified but i mean obviously like if mikey and tater and bla all try, they're going to qualify.

I have no doubt in my mind about that. So, like, if those three go, like, they're going to – it's going to be a fun show to watch those three compete. So he has almost a 300, right around a 315 bench press, I believe. Damn. And, hey, dude, his arms really aren't that short. That's, like, how far I push the bar. Yeah. He's another one who's just a nice guy who's super strong.

All right. Hey, dude, thanks for coming on. Great catching up with you. Absolutely. I didn't get to tell you the date and time. So September 19th through the 22nd in San Antonio for the adaptive CrossFit Games while we allow it this year. Okay.

Oh, and that's where – who did we have on? Mike Egan. That's where he lives. Oh, yeah, and that's where the military has that battalion with due to have come back with pieces missing. Yep. Yeah, that's crazy. Alright, cool. Shit.

Hey dude, stay in touch. Please let me know anyway. I can blow these guys up. I think I'm going to reach out to Blaze and see if I can get him on the show. Thanks for everything you do. Just great catching up with you, dude. Yeah, you too, man. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, you're the realist. Alright cool talk to you soon later guys later god damn he's he's a legit og he may have started crossing even before i did yeah for sure i didn't realize it was that long ago that's cool fuck i'm gonna throw him in there with like when you say like hey it's cool having people around from the good old days throw him in there with Dave and Nicole he's there I just ordered

a little desk on Amazon oh my wife just said she must have heard the show what is this from? I just saw a text come in. I want to thank you for your professionalism. I don't hear that very often. Who's that from?

Blaze dude is jacked Uh Um Oh yeah yeah yeah He looks he I'm concerned for uh Uh My boy Tim Tim Murray I'm a little concerned just looking at his Just judging Blaze by his body

I am uh And he's always smiling looks happy and shit big old smile yeah that's that can't be good uh can you see uh comments on x yes thank you miss angel mr angel louis angel louis angel how you doing sergio so good so good who called you Sergio the Paul Litchfield yeah I didn't get that why did he call you Sergio

I think he thought that that Sousa was the one pulling up stuff and so he couldn't remember Sousa's name I'm seven and Sergio seven and Sergio yeah thought that was pretty funny hey dude Kevin's been through some shit I'm seven and Sergio. Seven and Sergio, yeah.

Thought that was pretty funny. Hey, dude, Kevin's been through some shit. I don't mean the spinal shit. I just mean, like, for someone who's been at HQ as long as him, I mean, you've been through some shit, dude. You've seen some, like, to survive all that shit politically. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Fuck, that's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Fuck, that's crazy. Oh, what's this?

Oh, are you seeing all these videos come in? Yeah, I was going to watch them. I was saving them for later so I could watch them. Damn, look at Emily Rolfe. Holy shit. Are these all promos for the behind the scenes? Yeah, I'm sure they can be. For the behind the scenes. Yeah. I'm sure they can be.

The good one of Sidney Wells too. Oh is that Sidney? I think so yeah. With the pig? Yep. Damn she moved that thing really well. Yeah I'm so impressed by her. Can you show that? I'm so impressed by her. because i don't think of her as a crossfitter and she just got her

shit together and now she goes to the games it's nuts you want me to pull it up sure yeah let's look at it this will i basically i think what rios is doing rios is the guy who put together the behind the scenes him and brandstetter and um he's going through and getting ready to just do a massive dump on reels on the seven podcast Instagram account. Just do a massive dump. Dude, that was that was a sweet like split right there. She does, too, right? Oh, yeah. So smooth.

Yeah. God damn. When I went to J.R.'s, he has those flip sl smooth. Yeah. God damn. When I went to JR's, he has those, uh, flip sleds. Yeah. Those are so fucking hard.

That thing is right. Is it? Oh, it's like that, but it's steel. Yeah. That's like doing that split thing is not easy. There's so much coordination that goes into it.

So on who's helping out with media wheel. What? I have no idea. I have no idea. I can't even think about it. Savon, who's helping out with media at WheelWad? I have no idea. I have no idea. I can't even think about it. It stresses me out to think about anyone else's media. Oh.

What do I have here? I thought I had something I wanted to share with you guys. What is this? Freedom of speech. Oh, no, I can't do that to Kevin show. Maybe I won't do an unhinged rant. I don't even have to pee yet.

Skip the portion today. Yeah, maybe just like we did. Bam or like that meme is so good so many people are in my dm is being like yep this is your show i think it's been about that way for two years now just that that same guess uh bam we're live guest unhinged rant i have to pee yep oh look at uh lisa uh are you you're doing lisa you're doing the media for wheelwod awesome good job girl nice hair look at your hair oh she looks put together yeah she got porcelain skin too um i can't all these events require so much uh support if if people are going to see them

the world's going to see them we're just our our little um i shouldn't say it's little our open event's going to be crazy wild and good and we're trying to figure out how to do it with the most limited resources we can I need to hoard and keep all that money myself can't be like you need it to buy desks for your kids yes yes

Jedidiah Snelson be equal opportunities have on rants for all I just there's this i just the ones that i have today are just so brutal they're just brutal they're just brutal you think you think biden's gonna run for office uh caleb i think he said he was going to yeah i think he's you think Biden's going to run for office, Caleb? I think he said he was going to, yeah. You think he's going to? It seems like there's just so much noise in the space about someone else is going to run.

Can you look up lame duck for me? What does that mean, lame duck? They basically don't want to say who's really going to run because they don't want them to become a lame duck president oh my god you what you should see this definition this is crazy an official especially the president in the final period of office for the after the election of successor an ineffectual or unsuccessful person or thing yeah so they're basically they're basically saying that if they announce michelle obama is going to run that this dude in office biden people will just no one else will everyone will get off his jock right like right now he has all the power so everyone's riding his dick but if they say michelle obama is going to run or gavin newsom

is going to run gruesome newsom uh that he'll just turn into a lame duck president just completely ineffective i mean isn't he already i have a friend uh who has uh intimate contact with the white house and they said it's just straight game of thrones there that basically biden is just completely gorked and that it's just all these different factions vying for power and that it's nuts. Absolutely nuts. Little tribes of people trying to take over. Yeah. Michelle Obama said she doesn't want to run for office because she saw what her husband went through.

Wah, wah, wah. But I'm like, nah. You could be convinced, I think. I thought that they were – what I thought they were going to do is they were going to start running the ticket. I thought they were going to say that – I thought the Dems were going to say instead of saying it's a vote for Trump or Biden, that they were going to say it's a vote for freedom or not freedom. Like they were going to start just painting it instead of acknowledging that Biden was running. They were going to paint it as it's just freedom versus not freedom. That way you don't even have to think about who you're voting for. You don't have to think about, hey, you're voting this senile man into office.

You can just think it's voting for freedom, which is just absolutely nuts. It's the opposite of freedom. Listen, if you're confused and you're not sure who to vote for or you want to focus on all the bad things that Trump does or the bad things that Biden does, you have to get your head wrapped around this. wrapped around this there's like three things you want you want freedom of speech uh you want safety in the society and you want to be able to own property like besides that you the rest of the stuff you don't really need to carry about too much you just you need those you don't get you don't get freedom of speech with the dems you that's everyone can agree on that right Even the Dems can agree on that, right? No, I think that they think that they're getting freedom of speech. Someone show me where you can't do freedom of speech as anything else besides a Dem. I can give you 10 examples of where you don't get freedom of speech as a Dem.

You're not allowed to talk, get second opinions on the injection in California from doctors. You have to go with the WHO guidelines. That's not – that's Dems. Twitter completely censored before, kicked off the president of the United States. You have – we have to have freedom of speech. We will completely go down the shithole without freedom of speech. And then we need safety. Right?

So that's like close the border, can't allow people to be robbing stores. Second Amendment. Have to stop saying that white people are bad. Second Amendment. You have to be honest. Like when you're like, hey, why are there so many black people in jail? You have to be honest and say, hey, because of the – if you're going to categorize people by the color of their skin, you have to realize that 6% of the population, which is black males, commits 48% of all the murders. You have to be able to acknowledge those things.

Then you have to be able to say, hey, it's not appropriate to categorize people as skin color because it's not a fact. It's just a correlate. We have to just be honest about those things. Stop being afraid. Pussies. Bunch of pussiesies and i'm not saying it doesn't hurt i'm not saying it doesn't hurt i'm not saying i'm not saying like it shouldn't piss you off although like i said a couple months ago maybe caleb can still find it

city bank in los angeles had a policy in place not to fucking loan money to people with the last name ian or yan that means they didn't even look at us to judge us on us on our skin color they just didn't like the spelling of our name and you know why that is because probably armenians weren't paying back their shit look at this los angeles city and this is this is a by the way there's millions of armenians in los angeles that's what's so funny it's like they they rule los angeles city uh uh ceo city bank ceo apologizes for banks discrimination against armenian americans discrimination it's a great story i love it that my people are oppressed deeply sorry for this

for its discrimination against armenian american ceo jane fraser said tuesday december 6 during testimony before senate banking committee on november 8th the consumer financial protection bureau fined 26 million dollars what did they exactly say what does it say exactly what they said we found a small number of employees that were not following city policy and have taken action to make things right and prevent any... What did they say? They said if they smell like baklava. The bank targeted applicants with the names ending in I-A-N and Y-A-N,

including those living in or around Glendale. Yeah, that's like the Armenian capital, which is home to about 15% of the Armenian American population. It's got to be more than that. I was thinking about this the other day. Why would anyone not like Jews? Like if there's a lot of Jews in an area, it's safe. It's clean. There's good food. There's Nobel Prize winners.

There's great arts. There's nowhere in the United States where you can point to a Jewish community and there's anything bad going on. Why would anyone not like Jewish people? All the innovation, the movies, all these basketball teams, they're all owned by Jews. How do you not like Jews? Everything. All the good shit comes from Jews. not like jews everything all the good shit comes from jews all the innovation all the all the all the smart japanese people are just studying shit that jews taught them jews innovated someone someone the other day someone's like man they're everywhere where there's good shit

and i go ah basketball's pretty cool there's no jews there and they're like the team owners i was like oh yeah i forgot you're right you're right very good point oh my god oh my god pool Boys chick is something else Holy fuck Oh my god You ever trolled this girl You're married Let's talk about her afterwards Caleb

Jesus Christ What a piece of work She is Is this mic on? Shit Fuck What a piece of work she is. Is this mic on? Shit. Fuck. I love it.

Thank you. All right. Enough of that. I'm getting out of control. Oh, you're going to Australia, huh? For six months? Jesus. Oh, Jesus, poor boy. Oh, you're going to Australia, huh? For six months? Jesus. Oh, Jesus, Pool Boy.

Oh, my God. Whoa. Okay. Heidi Krum, I thought Pool Boy was into boys. Me too. That broke my heart oh you're crazy you're crazy you can't leave that thing for six months that thing has to be serviced every hour pool boy has to be serviced on the reg that's pretty fucked up yeah Yeah, that is fucked up. Julia. Julia.

Oh my goodness. Wow. Wow. He listens to gay country. Is that Beyonce's new album? Is that what he listens to? Where did I see this? These comments in this thread.

I'm building up to maybe showing something in my notes. I don't know if I should do it. Play it. There are these comments. There's this thread and it's pretty. There's this post on Instagram. It's pretty fucking nasty. It's a TED talk trying to justify pedophilia

But the comments are so funny The comments are so funny Hey, did you see the basketball player six foot tall Basketball player high school basketball player grabbed the ball from the girl and throw her on the ground he's playing girls basketball have you seen that thing going around yeah that's amazing i love that and good for the coach right the coach is like uh-uh they tapped out at halftime they're like we're not playing anything yeah that's fucked up i'm out of here yeah listen like there's people you want to live by You want to live by Jews and Mormons

That's who you want You want to live by them You don't want to listen You don't want to live You don't want to live next to a frat house Right Hell no There's

22 year old rich white boys You don't want to live next to them you don't want to listen to a house you want to live you don't want to listen to live next to a house of aspiring rappers house of 22 year old black kids smoking weed all the time you don't want to listen to next to them either pumping music yeah there's things people but but you do want to live next to Jews and Mormons it's okay gay Asian dudes perfect Will Branstad or take it easy on the frat house dude there's nasty all right oh my back warts like almost gone my back warts almost gone you know it's funny she

froze it off like a week ago and it's still there but i'm feeling it now and it's like, it's really getting small. So it was, I'm so glad to, I'm glad to rekindle with Kevin Ogar because one, there is a lot of drama. I'm never sure where people are falling in the, in the scope of like, like, do they hate me or do they not hate me? Because I love Jews so much. And I guess he doesn't hold it against me that i love jews so much i like nobel prize winners that's a that's a good thing people who invent electricity have streets that without potholes back nub yeah i have a residual back nub

i wonder if i could enter an adaptive class an adaptive class i so as much as i love kevin i so want some fucking weirdo to fucking norm normie to try to enter the adaptive division so he has to deal with it i just want to just so i can talk about it you know what i mean i so want a dude to try to enter the female i so want fraser to fucking enter the woman's division. There's so many divisions. There's so many options. You've come up with something probably. I still want, it would be so fun to just watch CrossFit.

I have to deal with all the weird shit that's happening. No, that guy's disgusting. Please. I am not pulling that out. Thank you. Are you fucking kidding me? So fucked up. Yeah, I started, I watched like 30 seconds of it

and I just wanted to fucking off myself. It was horrible. It's fucking gross. How is that even a success? Who watches that? Mill millions of people apparently yeah let's uh uh turntable as a former maintenance man frat boys are 10 times worse than section eight tens oh yeah of course of course hey that's the thing too that there you go you know like no one should ever have to live near section 8 I live in the fucking

The only place there's like Really gnarly crime in my town Is the section 8 housing Same one when I was in Berkeley Why even have section 8 housing Just the criminals live there It's supposed to be like for school teachers And like cops and firefighters and shit, I guess.

But it never is. Pool boy. Sebi, my girlfriend's gonna smash the occupational games this year. Hey, dude, if she's leaving for six months, she ain't your girlfriend, dude. When she's in Australia, someone's going to be smashing her. Take note. Your ex-girlfriend's going to be smashed at the Occupational Games this year.

Take that. But that'll be fun anyway. And when you say smash, what do you mean? Like, she going to take first? As long as she stays away from the crayons she'll be okay the crayons yeah she's a marine she eats crayons oh oh nice heard that about those guys yeah oh yeah jose of course you were raised in section eight your name's fucking jose i was raised in section eight i turned out okay yeah you can turn out okay dude i was raised in a

fucking shithole neighborhood i turned out okay too i'm just saying you stole shit too right jose like we stole shit you stole shit you threw rocks at cars you did bad shit i know everyone's parents were home fucking drunk, smoking crack. Someone's dad was always arrested. People parked motorcycles on the sidewalk. He's going to visit me in Australia.

Jesus Christ. You live in fucking fairy land. You should just Julia you should just point to five girls And be like okay just stay within those Five please Like just live and just add a big Old dose of reality to your world My goodness

CK Kevin I was the guy with the gun I was raising a trailer that was destroyed by a tornado I turned out okay too Man look at this tension between Heidi and Pool Boy He doesn't have a job so he might as well come along Yeah Man, look at this tension between Heidi and Pool Boy. He doesn't have a job, so he might as well come along. Yeah.

Okay, that's enough. That's enough. That's enough. That's where we draw the line. That's enough. Okay. Final word, Julia Cook. I'm not sharing it. Maybe gay guys since you listen to gay country all the time That's enough Okay Final word Julia Cook I'm not sharing it

Maybe gay guys Since you listen to gay country all the time Fair enough Love you guys What is today? Oh tomorrow Is today Tuesday? What's today?

Today's Tuesday Okay so tomorrow Look we got a fun week So much fun shit coming up Tomorrow we got Greg Glassman Then we have Rafa Sanson If I don't cancel on him Then we have Shut Up and Scribble

And Then on Friday Is gonna be the fun show This guy's been on before He took Instagram by storm sanson i don't cancel on them then we have shut up and scribble and uh then on friday is going to be the fun show this guy's been on before he took instagram by storm by eating all sorts of raw uh shit at whole foods for like 800 days he'd just be eating the raw octopus all he ate was raw shit for 800 days now he's uh has a raw chicken account all he does is eat raw chicken. So. We know what pool boy will be eating when Hooli is out of town. Bye bye.