The Sevan Podcast - Live Call In | We Cure Loneliness

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

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I do need to put my toe spacers on The sheets are clean You've taken one out of the chamber. to start take two uh good morning bernie how are you buddy how are you i appreciated your comments about the 1977 volkswagen rabbit um explaining how it didn't fit the story of evading arrest with it's only 64 horsepower under the engine the wheels on the thing were like this big smallest tires in the world yesterday we started the show about uh keeping your own power you want to align you want to align who you are with taking all responsibility all accountability you you you want to behave the way god would behave the way you guys explained to me the way god behaves he knows everything he knows every hair

on your head he knows how you're gonna uh what you're gonna do tomorrow what you're gonna do the next day he knew you before you were born right there's all these cool lines in the bible right you guys are always sharing with me so let me me tell you the part that I know about behaving like God and taking personal responsibility and accountability. Mirroring the great one. Yesterday my son says to me, we're in Newport Beach. We're away from home from the week. Before this, we were in Scottsdale for a few days. So we've been away from home for a while. before we left on the trip he said to me hey uh heidi that means father in armenian can i bring my drone with me and i'm like no buddy we weren't we're not gonna have any time to fly it and he said okay and in my head it was because

i forgot that we were coming to newport newport's a great place to fly the drone but in scottsdale we were going to be so busy we had so many things lined up to do and party and play. And it was just going to be a rager. And I didn't want to add more stuff to bring. His little hard case with his drone. He says, OK, no problem. So we get to Newport. And they have a huge firework show here a couple nights ago.

And he's like, oh, I wish I had my drone. And he starts getting a little whiny. Not in a bad way, but just he's whiny. Oh, I had my drone. Why did you tell me not to bring my drone? Would have been a dope shot. Thanks, Sousa. And he has friends like Sousa who support his whining.

And Sousa's not wrong. And so I say to him, he calms down. And I say to him, not that he got wound up or anything. I said, hey, buddy, just so you know, you ever ask yourself, are you upset that you don't have your drone or what's the root of that? The root – you're expressing that you're upset that you don't have your drone and you're saying it's because I told you not to bring your drone. But do you think maybe that the root of it could be – which what I suspect it is, is that you want your drone. That you want your drone. You're having a thought that you want your drone and that's the root. And so you're responsible for that. That's your thought.

You want your drone. That is your thought. Now, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he's faking his, his bother, his, his annoyance by it. Like I fake so much shit on this show that you guys buy into. Like when i have my little temper tantrums and get angry or i tell jokes or i say stuff you guys think it's real i'm like wow they bought that and it's really just i'm just acting so so no one knows if anyone's acting or not right

you just don't know only the person knows acting, I mean reacting to something with a conviction and intention. Like, I'll give you an example of that. The other day I said something about, I make $89,000 a year and I can't even afford it. And someone's like, dude, why are you complaining that you make $89,000 a year? I'm like, dude, I thought that was obvious. That was an act. That was like – That's the bit. Yeah, that's the bit. That's not like – that was the bit. So I don't know if he's doing a bit or not, but I assume he's not because we're just regular interaction. So he says to me – after I tell him, I said, so do you think it's the thought – you're responsible for that thought you're having that you want your drone, and yet you're saying I told you not to bring it. Do you think that maybe that's the actual source? And he says to me, I have no idea what you're saying. And I was impressed, right? and uh and i was impressed right i'm like wow okay cool i get cool he understood enough to know that he didn't understand yeah all right cool i don't have no idea what you're saying okay cool

now hold on to that story here a little bit look at christine young saying all right fine okay cool hold on to that story here a little bit. So yesterday, I'm – I'll tell you this other story first. I'll tell you this other story first. I've told this story on the air before, and I'll tell you again. Yesterday, I'm – or no, sorry. There's this story about these two monks, and they're walking along, and they're out in the woods, and they come across this stream. And as they approach the stream out in the middle of the woods, they see there's a woman there, and she can't figure out how she's going to cross the stream. She doesn't want to get dirty. She's wearing her fancy clothes. So one of the monks says, ma'am, jump on my back, and I'll carry you across the stream. you across the stream.

So the lady jumps on the monk's back, and they cross the stream. He sets her down, and they go on their way. And as the two monks are walking, the monk that didn't carry the girl stops. This is like after 10 minutes after they've crossed the stream. And he turns to the monk who carried the woman, and he said the woman and he said hey um you know you're not allowed to do that you're not allowed to carry that woman and uh the monk said yes i know but i'm not carrying her now and you should stop carrying her too and you tell that story to a friend and you're trying to explain something to them about how the mechanism of the brain works and your friend says to you well what if there was no stream and you're like oh fuck like that didn't work i'm trying to explain

something to you about how thoughts work and that that held the woman for a second, but his friend is still holding on to the thought for ten minutes that he held the woman. And that at the root of what's going on, you have a thought or a sensation before you act always. Every single one of us is acting out of some sort of discomfort that we're avoiding. And the person who asked, what if there is no stream, they haven't cultivated the awareness, enough awareness in their being to see the distinction between thoughts and sensations and their reactions. They only know reactions you don't you don't you don't have to you don't have to uh you can cultivate enough awareness to see where your actions come from and then you can decide whether you

want to do them or not or you can with them, or you can have fun with them. There was a good one yesterday. I was on a thread with Matt Souza. And I told that story about the drone to a friend that I was trying to explain to them how thoughts work. And they said, well, what if your son didn't have a drone? It's like, oh, man. This is going to be – this is – there's this Taoist saying, if I said to you guys, hey, look at that, and I pointed at the moon, or let's say I pointed at an airplane. And no matter what, the person is like, hey, man, are those fingernails on the tip of your finger?

Are they dirty? When's the last time you cut them? And you just cannot get them off of the person. They cannot for the life of them get out of their head to look up. They're always fucking reacting. And yeah, Seve on Sunday trying to tell parables. Thank you. That was if I fucked that one up. Should have pressed better.

Jason Miller, Krishna Murthy has good discussion clips talking about the thought movement of desire. For anyone, if you're really just like, what the fuck is he talking about? There's some really simple things you can do to yourself. Just lie down on your back and just don't move. Set an alarm for two minutes and absolutely just do not move. And if you scratch your forehead like that, you did it. You went unconscious. Because you're supposed to be guarding yourself to not move.

Just do not fucking move. Then do it for three minutes and do it for four minutes and see if you can just focus on your being enough so that you don't react. And it's going to be really hard for some of you. Like really, really fucking hard. Like to make it to the five minute mark, it might be a lifetime of practice. But this is where you will cultivate enough awareness to take control of your life a cock i'll do it if you wipe my ass yeah awesome i wipe ass every day buddy fucking i'm an expert cock got it clearly

i don't know if this is true, but I like the discussion. What if what someone is describing is a primary difference between us and other animals, self-awareness and the ability for discernment to choose to be better than our instincts? I don't know if it's relevant to say that other animals can't do it, but but but there's a good there's there's good imagery there, at least. but there's a good there's there's good imagery there at least that's the thing um i i hear you and i know a wad zombie party's joking but that it's a to do it around my kids is a great place to do it i do it all the time around my kids just open up it's called holding the space i just open up crazy space crazy stillness crazy, crazy stillness. Sometimes people will get really upset if you do that too. If your wife wants to fight

with you and you're just like, you go into a place of stillness, she could get wound up. Has the opposite effect on her. Yeah. You can't. When I used to do yoga, Wow, what is Judy wearing? Judy embracing her Asian roots.

Look at that hat. I was going to say, across the man. What if I told you, Lusa? I'm going to read some quotes to you here. Okay? Okay. Okay, you ready? Yeah, fired up.

Should we respond to him or just take him? Justin Medeiros just came through because of luck. Okay. Untrue. Ricky came back and it's not easy for him and next year we'll lose him altogether. Okay. All the athletes are injured.

Pat, 100%, Pat Vellner with 100% guarantee won't be on the podium next year. These are all quotes from a Roman Krennikoff interview that just went down. Oh, no shit. Yeah. What a stud. He's putting it fucking out there. Mm-hmm. Here, let me see.

I'll pull up the interview so you guys can see it. Look at this shit. Did you send notes? Sorry, I didn't even check. Look at this. No, I didn't send notes. I didn't send notes And YouTube

Crazy right It's the the YouTube channel CF 92. It has 30 comments. They're all in Russian. This video has 7,400 views in two days. That means, uh, that's pretty, that means, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the cross is very popular in Russia. Yeah. 17,000 subscribers.

Uh, Christine Young, I'm sure it was a miscommunication from Roman's language barrier. By the way, this is reporting that I got from the great Pedro White, our Irish brethren, our European correspondent. From Coffee Pods and Wads. We're sharing some of these tidbits this morning, which is evening for him. Oh, I was going to send Pedro an invite. He said he was visiting Santa with this kid today. I'm going to tell you some more good quotes, too. You're not even going to believe.

It's crazy. Roman's on fire. You think these things are true? You think Pedro maybe just – their YouTube just didn't translate it right i think they're 100 true i mean i think he won't i think he's got a lot of confidence and i think that he wants to um you know create some create some waves in the space i can't find pedro's uh do i can't find his um then i oh here it is peter oh i always fuck up because i have him as peter oh you think he's doing it you think he's doing it consciously he's not reacting to something he's

chosen i think so and i think because i think he speaks a lot more english and i for sure he understands a lot more english than he lets on i would say with a few exceptions he probably doesn't need that translator as much as he leans on that translator. Yeah. And I also say that's just because last year I had interaction with him at Waterpalooza. Oh, with Roman. With Roman. Like very little.

And like half the time he would like position himself and then I would see him walk and he was like looking over my shoulder and he would like peek in and watch my phone. Because, you know, it has all this background on it there's a lot of and there's multiple times where like people would be talking or something and i would turn and he would say like one word back to me in english that was completely funny and relevant to what they were talking about and so that's when i started to be like okay you understand a lot more than you let on to. Cock a dude. Dude. We cannot pretend to be peers with Russians.

Watch happy people documentaries. Zen is food. Ian's comment. If you were a Russian spy, why would you let us know how much English you know? Good point. Good point. Good point. All emotions fall under this category of being able to watch them. That's the trick. That's why people think emotions are real.

They think that – and by real, I mean like if a car hits you, you have to react to it. It hits you and you fly through the air. And because emotions arise so fast and people don't see where they come from, they haven't cultivated enough awareness, they think they're real. That's one of the things that's invaded the sciences and fucked up everything. Savant, what are you talking about? For instance, there's this confusion in the sciences between scientific work and surveys. If I do a study and I ask 100 people

if CrossFit helped you with your loneliness, rank on a 1 to 10, that is not science. You're not participating in science. You're doing a survey. And if I have it peer-reviewed by 1,000 people to see if my math is right, it is still not science. It's a survey. Your cord's, like, wrapped around your headpiece, too. I don't know if you feel that. Oh, yeah. Oh, has that been bothering you the whole show? It's a survey. Your cord's like wrapped around your headpiece too.

I don't know if you feel that. Oh, yeah. Oh, has that been bothering you the whole show? No, I actually didn't. I couldn't tell what was going on. Then when you turned to the side a second ago, I was like, okay, it is wrapped around. I put this yellow bowl here with a little skateboard in the chat. It can bush on the other side.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You like that? Zen is fucked today, as a cock would say. I was like, did you move those? Yeah, it was like, nice set. So when these emotions come up, you don't have to react to them. I mean, most of you do. Most of you flies and insects, you have to.

And you'll defend it. What's crazy, too, is if I tell you that you don't have to, you'll defend it. You will defend it with your fucking life that you have to be unconscious in the matrix. Yeah, well, you have to defend that the feeling isn't a feeling. It's guiding. Yeah, it's real.

Actually, that kind of ties in what Bernie had said, the separation. What did he say? Tell me. Because animals are only going to act on instinct. Oh, right. It's scared, it runs, it does it. But it can't tell you why it ran. what did he say tell me because animals are only going to act on instinct oh right right scared it runs it does it but it can't tell you why why it ran like i don't know i got this feeling and i ran i suppose have you have you ever listened to a red man search for meaning by victor oh uh pieces of it god yeah everyone always recommends that so good right you should 100 yeah because he was a um holocaust survivor

in auschwitz and he had wrote his whole like manifesto on um exactly what you're talking about which is actually widening the gap between what you feel and how you respond to what you feel with yeah and recognizing that that's that's actually the only thing you possess. Right. Because everything else could be taken. But that's the one freedom you possess. And you're responsible for it and accountable to it. Yes. Yeah. So you could choose, like, even though they were in the worst of conditions, he writes, like, I still was able to choose my attitude in the way I responded.

Because I think his original, like, question to himself was, why in the world didn't because I think his original like question to himself was why in the world didn't everybody in here commit suicide like why would you stay alive in the world's worst circumstance knowing that it's just going to be a agonizing death at the end of that road and so it was it was interesting but he had his whole manifesto like taken and destroyed like multiple times and he just kept having to restart back over and rewrite it and restart oh wow wow so it's a great it's a great book there's like two parts of it the first part is like his you know steel like stent nachwitz and how the whole thing unfolded and then the second part is like the his like studies and realizations after that

it's been a while since i've i've listened to it so if you do it i'll i'll reread it with you okay i'll do it i'll start it today yeah i think you enjoy it i'll download and listen to it today yeah it'll probably change the whole direction of like shows for two weeks every caller i'll be like so probably but you're already along the lines of thought there so yeah widen my depth my breadth and depth god i like breaths breasts god i like breasts i there is a a great example of this i just remembered um hiller posted uh something talking about how coke causes diabetes on his instagram and the first thing someone wrote is this coming from a man

who drinks C2 or energy drinks I'm like holy fuck dude that person though thinks that like that killer is pointing at two fucking oncoming trains that are about to hit and make the most amazing fucking explosion and show fucking metal on metal explosion.

And the person is like, when's the last time you washed your hands? It's just fucking unreal to me. They mean it. I suspect they really mean it. They're not trying to be funny, that they really cannot do this. You guys have all seen it. You guys have all seen it. If you have a mate and you've argued with your mate,

they do it to you all the time. Hey, you left the refrigerator open. Well, you left it open yesterday. It's like, dude, really? I'm talking to you inside your head? really i'm talking to you inside your head last night i was in the bathroom and i heard kind of this like crash and it wasn't super loud like it almost felt like somebody left the water on and there was a stack of dishes and the dish pile slid because the water weight was too much but i knew we didn't have a lot of dishes in the sink

so i was kind of like i just go to the bathroom and come out there's just a towel laying on the ground and just it's already soaked in water and grace had taken out the water filter out of our refrigerator and was filling it up next time i was like oh no what happened here she was well didn't you hear the crash you're the crash and you even bothered to check yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i was like so what does it have to do with what happened yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was funny that what does it have to do with what happened yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was funny that's when you look that's when you look at the calendar oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah she quickly like came off it and she was just frustrated because all the water oh i was just like, what? Cock, I just think it's ribbing sarcasm.

I don't think it's sarcasm. I think I know what you mean. I don't think sarcasm is the right word. I think it's just ribbing. No, I think that the vast majority of people just don't want to go deeper. And anytime you don't want to go deeper to the root of something, you just drag the other person in. Right. you don't want to go deeper to the root of something you just drag the other person in right so uh you know all the reasons why people don't like donald trump is because they just don't

want to go deeper they're annoyed by his smirks and his posture and his hair and all of the affects that make donald trump they're annoyed by them they are annoyed by them and so they react to those that annoyance instead of being like well what did he say that was really racist about mexicans that all they need is cnn to be like hey that guy's fucking racist and because of the way he acts it feels it sticks good right you know and um it's like this. I don't like anal. I've never had a one night stand in my life. I fucking never in my life have looked at a girl and fantasized about having sex with her before I was married. After I just don't do that. I'm not that guy.

I don't put that energy into people. I'm like so fucking normal. But because I compare do a piece a bit comparing sporty best hits to Daniel Brandon's tits, which to me is just anatomy, a lot of people would be like, well, that's creepy. When I know those same people who think that that's creepy have a fucking notch thing on their fucking bed of how many girls they fucked at their CrossFit gym. You know what I mean? Now that's creepy. You know what I mean? Now that's creepy.

I don't think that's creepy either, but like, it's just, um, there are correlates for what's, um, uh, it's just off. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I wish I had my siren. Thank you. Thank you. Living rent free in my head, baby head baby i appreciate you and let me know if it gets weird in there i will try to keep it cozy i just cleaned the sheets this morning for you david i've never had fantasies about gay sex at the at the u.s senate no if that's what you're asking i'm not going to talk about red cameras yeah they're crazy right you know the origin behind red i think it was made by who who made it it was like the um o'neill guys or it's it's

some surfing manufacturer that that surf brand that the guy at one of these surf brands, I remember when they came on the, the, the, the scene hard, I've never imagined that I didn't have legs. Sorry. I just wanted to include you Jedediah. How is your saying?

I know they have notches on the bed. Any different than someone saying, I know Hiller drinks C4. Oh God. I really want to understand what you're saying. Jim. Exactly. Jedediah. I think it to understand what you're saying. Exactly, Jedediah. I think it's lost on him.

Damn. Roll on floor laughing. Oh, I see what you're saying. I'm not drawing a comparison there. I'm not drawing a comparison there. Oh, where you think I'm saying. I'm not drawing a comparison there. I don't think I am.

Interesting. You're saying, do you want to try to explain it to me? What? The Jedediah is common, relevance to yeah watches on the bed versus yeah yeah yeah yeah um because I would I would I mean if I had to take a stab in the dark there's one person is saying hey this does this and then rather than focusing on the subject of what this and the relationship between the person and what they're saying, they're focusing on the person's actions. And then the person who shares greater than actions is focusing on your action.

So even though they do something the same or greater than what you're actually talking about, they're like, oh, you're're creepy but but we're but it's the same action i'm giving i i'm going with the presupposition i made that um they're projecting onto me their own creepiness. Their own creepiness. I don't think I'm pointing at something completely different. I'm saying if you – I'm talking about just correlates in general. I don't think that – Hiller drinking the C4 doesn't mean that he's not an expert on the coat causes diabetes.

It doesn't take away from the fact – matter fact it maybe validates him more and yet this person is saying it um oh no no i'm not invalidating it sorry i'm not i'm not uh okay here we go jedi snelson are you invalidating their opinion the same way they're invalidating hillary's opinion no no i'm not suggesting that they're invalidating hillary's opinion i'm just saying that they're not even listening that they're just fucking completely trapped in their fucking head they're they're not even it what hillary's actions have nothing to do with the statement he made with the statement he's saying it's a straw man argument to then say you know if hillary's like hey don't step into that fire it'll burn you and someone And someone's like, well, you're really mean. You said it terribly to me. They're like, well, what does it have to do with you stepping in the fire and being burned? Now you're

talking about me. Right. Right. So if he'll, he'll, he goes, don't drink Coca-Cola. It'll give you diabetes. And it does to a bunch of people. And then somebody says, well, you're drinking a C4. He said, well, what does that have to do with my argument? Right. Right? Right, right, right, right, right. Somebody goes, oh my gosh, you're creepy. And you're like, wait, how did you do the same exact actions, but way worse than just a statement I made?

Then they're like projecting that onto you. Yeah. It's not a straw man argument at that point. There's probably a book out there with all the Fallacies and arguments Logical and fallacies Look it look it look it yeah yeah yeah David yeah David I got you You got you

I'm not invalidating his opinion at all It's just It's just the source. Oh, here we go. Seve, as a man that's left four gyms for fucking people in my gym, I can tell you you only get a notch if they're about a seven on the hotness scale. Oh, wow. Look at this. Wow.

That's still good though. What about-ism? Look at all these pictures and shit. Look at that logo that's like a folded up something. And then he's got the rainbow. That's just a really nice post. It is a nice post. Thank you, The Standard.

Oh, here we go. Cock. Okay, wow. We're getting getting at some shit this morning we'll get back to roman in a minute dude sev the dude is saying the dude got it like a cock clip it uh sev the dude is saying that the notch in the bed post is homonym meaning like i'm attacking him equivalent to the c4 comment that that's what i think he's doing but i don't think that's what i'm doing homonym, meaning like I'm attacking him, equivalent to the C4 comment. That's what I think he's doing, but I don't think that's what I'm doing. What I'm saying is, oh, okay, okay, maybe I'll give it to you.

So you're saying... Yeah, I think we got to give it to Cock in that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe Jedediah is right. So what you're saying is that I'm... He's saying to me that I'm creepy instead of me just focusing on no it's not creepy at all to compare Daniel Brandon's boobs to Sporty Beth's boobs and the reason why is it's just anatomy yeah I'm pivoting and dragging him into the argument by saying look at this guy he not only compares boobs but he's slaying all these bitches in his gym how dare he okay fine oh yeah fine so therefore i think we

got a circle all the way back around to jedi okay yeah he was he was right all right all right hold on let me grab my ankles go ahead everyone come get a cold one yeah i give myself i'm gonna give myself a pass on that why that was good we all learned i know but i'm gonna give myself a pass on that why that was good we all learned i know but i'm still giving myself a pass on that and like you can't uh like i told you i don't like anal myself a pass on that i'm taking i'm better than you i'm not a fan of pump that like like like listen to our audience like look at this conversation we just had and how involved they were and like how they thought it through and walked us through it like it's a fucking great audience fucking the best yeah you guys don't ever do that again david you're

what i said david you're a little creepy he's a little creepy but i was just joking now that's actually really cool right oh when he, when he wrote whatever he wrote, too, I was thinking about it. I was like, I thought that, too. Are we all creepy? Yes. Every dude in here. Creepy audience, okay. Enlightened audience.

Intelligent audience. Too enlightened. How the fuck am i supposed to teach you guys anything if you guys are more enlightened than me yeah what the heck guys okay let me let me read some more uh romanisms here geez i can't believe he's saying this stuff um are we back to roman quotes yeah yeah yeah here we go uh he goes on to say a brute was shit so he moved to mayhem savage lather lazard jukic he either beats you or you crush him. He beats himself. Oh, shit.

Wow. Wow. Okay, you ready? Here, incoming. Guima Heros is not a games athlete anymore. He'll be dropped by all his sponsors soon. Post his lifts on Instagram, but what's the point of that if you want to go to the games?

Wow. Hey, dude. Are these really true? This is crazy. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Look it. I could pull these up.

Wait. Has Andrew got a hold of this yet and put it through the AI so it translates in a different voice in English but then repost all of his quotes yet on his instagram he's doing it now i guess hey let me see if i can let me see if i can pull this up here oh let me see this oh shit this is from pedro pedro translated these already god i feel bad stealing these from my show what do you think what is that ethically inappropriate

he translated them and post them in the thread and i steal them i'm not gonna steal i'm not gonna steal this is crazy we take all the credit this is look at i don't buy any of this is true i dude great good me neither but i'm telling you i'm looking at the fucking clips right here with the fucking ai voice translation pedro's gonna do a show on it i'm sure he fucking paid the money to have all this shit translated into english like with voice there's more he goes on to say that's why I have to write these moron comments I guess maybe say them so someone somewhere talks I write them and someone like velner responds straight away I don't even read the responses oh he's talking about when he writes in threads because you know

how he's been pretty active lately on instagram commenting he says that's why i have to write these more on comments so someone somewhere talks i write them and someone like velner responds straight away i don't even read their responses i just create a media frenzy so they start talking about me it's like dogs barking at a fence when you walk past damn fuck roman going hard in the paint Roman nobody can hang with me in training Luke Parker tried and failed twice Victoria Campos comes and goes

that hoe no no I made that up strike that last one from the record Logan Logan strike that last one from the record please Logan oh Logan Ewing his fucking training partner takes one right between the eyes Logan does train with me but is very clever and only

does workouts with him I don't know what that means wow holy shit meaning maybe Robin's doing more the um hey what happens when you post a link to a youtube video in the over here someone was saying that they posted a link in the comments and they were wondering if me you or kayla pulled it down they weren't wondering they just accused us of it can you not post links

and then bernie responded saying something like you can't post links in the uh youtube links in the chat can you or can't you like in a comment after a show is already processed and it's just living on youtube or like inside this thread right now like like watch like support like supposedly if i post i think it was like, if I look in the comments right now, like I just posted this link to that Roman video. Oh, so then once it processes and re goes. Oh, in the chat, Bernie says in the chat. So I think like, I think Bernie was someone who was accusing us of pulling something down.

They posted and then Bernie kind of unfucked them. They're like, Hey dude, that YouTube's algorithm grabs that shit and throws it away yeah because otherwise why wouldn't as a company or something i just come and spam everybody's live chats and then my link just lives there okay you know what i mean i think that would probably be the reason for that but i don't know or they just don't hyperlink? Oh, okay. Okay. Content creator can't post. Viewer links will be removed.

Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, okay. Just spam everything with a link to your website. Keith, not accusing, pointing out. Are you suggesting that I read into that? Are you suggesting that I was trapped in my head when I read that? Hold on. That's bullshit. God, I would love to be wrong twice today. are you suggesting that I was trapped in my head when I read that hold on that's bullshit god I would love to be wrong twice today

what a way to start the day hold on uh Sam was a diver he's been pretty athletic no way those are nicer than Daniel Brandon's

yes they are Hunter laying the smackdown on will i thought hillar was on that oh i fucked up yesterday i i named the show i thought we were going to talk about hillar's interview with andrew charlesworth oh yeah i went through that and i wanted to just ass pound andrew charlesworth he's fucking that dude's crazy dude i haven't seen any of it yet at one point he says something about greg's business acumen because he pointed out floyd 19 hold on i'm gonna pivot what uh hold on what am i looking for i'm looking for that comment that that guy says he wasn't being you didn't accuse us but you just

you were just pointing out I think it was accusatory but I want to be wrong let me see he also wrote chill was no biggie oh come on man I can't chill come on man do we have a come on man button come on man I. I can't chill. Come on, man. Do we have a come on, man button? Come on, man.

Hey, dude. Someone in here explain why they watch the show as a hater. There we go. Come on, man. Jason Miller writes, posting links in the chat is usually blocked for, quote, unquote, safety reasons. Oh, Bernie Gannon. Sorry, totally off subject here. Point of order, I think someone was a little harsh in his broad and colorful condemnation of the Catholic Church.

The bottom line is that the ultimate decision to be vaccinated or not is up to each individual i don't know bernie you can't have the pope be saying take drugs i don't know it just seems so like i can't find it all right keith you went i don't know it seems weird what if the pope came out and was like i only shop at target shop at target yeah and then he said yeah right that would be lame and how much lamer is it like hey take the pfizer drugs he's still recommending a product or service right and where would you find that in in stillness and in prayer there's there's no that find that in stillness and in prayer? There's no that... CNN?

Yeah, I guess right. If you're meditating in front of the TV. The Pope is a fraud. I think you're right. I don't think he really talks to God. You're right. I think I agree with you. Keith won Seve Zero.

So be it. David Weed. Keith won Seve Zero. So be it. David Weed, seven. Seve Zero. David, get your feet off the couch. Sorry. I know you guys can't see what's going on, but he's in my head, and he's just got his feet up on the couch and shit, and it's not cool. Refrigerator doors left the jar.

Fucking, it's a mess in there. What were you talking about? You said you were going to pivot, and then before that we were looking for Keith Miller's. But do you remember what I was going to say before Keith Miller? Keith, Keith, Kiefer Miller? No, because we were talking about links inside the chat before that and then we uh you were reading some of the comments about the catholic church

i didn't think um hunter uh completely ass pounded um i don't think a hunter completely ass pound Will. I thought Will did great. I thought Will played a good foil. Oh, thank you, Greg's Business Acumen, Andrew Charlesworth. Andrew, you almost escaped. Thank God. Barbie with barbells. Holy shit, thank you. Here we go. Oh yeah, Floyd 19. Barbie with barbells. Holy shit. Thank you. Here we go. Oh, yeah. Floyd 19. At one point, first, for the record, I think that the reason why we like Greg at the helm, I think we uncovered it in episode 23 with Greg Glassman on the show.

We liked having a man who was correcting the health record. So when the food pyramid was saying, eat carbs, Greg's like, no, no carbs will give you fucking cancer. Uh, when they're saying, um, uh, whatever the fuck they say about anything, he's like, no, no, no, that's not the way it is. Don't squat below parallel. Greg's like, nope, squat below parallel. He was always correcting the health record. If you needed a place to go to get the truth, you could come to CrossFit. And then I asked him, I said, Hey, if you would have been at the helm during this whole so-called 2020 to 2022 flu season, would you've told people not to get the direct injection not to get the injection damn right and so if you're going to roll with that and you want a leader like that there's going to be some shit that happens where there's going to be some decisions that go against the norm that go against

cnn that are going to require some bravery and some steadfastness by the followers, by the team, right? The team is going to be the brunt, is going to take some hits because of some of these unpopular yet true beliefs, actions. And so when Greg writes Floyd 19 saying, hey, don't let the same people who are helping us understand racism in the United States also understand how to handle COVID, some people for some reason thought that that was racist. for example, even Sousa was reached out to by people at his gym and by clients that paid for multiple, multiple clients saying, Hey, you need to make a statement standing against that. So there was a misinterpretation of what Greg said. And then there was a lot of pressure put on the affiliates to,

to say something based on that misunderstanding and really what it was up to the affiliates. And I'm not saying that, I know this is all easier said than done than in the time, but it was up to the affiliates. And I'm not saying that, I know this is all easier said than done than in the time, but it was up to the affiliates to find out what Greg really meant and then decide. But some people just folded under the pressure, whether that's good or bad or whatnot. I'm not going to go there. The point is, what is the point? Fuck, I don't even know what the point is I was going to tie it to

oh the point is this thank you bear with me people here the point is I'm watching the sun come up the point is at one point in that video with Andrew Hiller if you watch where he's interviewing Andrew Charlesworth Andrew Charlesworth said hey Greg was more focused on the methodology and making sure – I'm paraphrasing. You can go back and watch it – and making sure it was true than on running the small business and worried about the affiliates.

and even to hint that without putting it in context that this guy created what is a small business miracle and led to fucking i don't know how many crossfit gyms there's been 40 000 gyms in the last 15 years with probably a much greater success rate of staying open than your average small business is fucking nuts it's really really hard it's really really easy to be critical of him but you never hear anyone be like what a fucking business genius a guy who had his brand spread over seven continents faster than fucking starbucks mcdonald's and apple um opening combined so just when when I hear Andrew saying that, even talking about Greg's business acumen or what he did or didn't do for the affiliates without mentioning like, holy shit,

he's a fucking business genius because of this, this, this, this, and this, it just makes me fucking hate him. Just makes me think he's a fucking moron. It just makes me think he's a fucking moron. Don't be critical of his Floyd 19 comment without like, hey, dude, what a brilliant guy. He got so 15,000 gyms were simultaneously opened on seven continents and then said something so true that maybe it was even planned so it would cull the herd. Who gives a fuck if 8,000 of those gyms would have left uh bernie gannon i think greg's greatest attribute is trust

you don't have to agree with him or follow him but you always know he was being honest and he does his research so his thoughts carry weight he could have been more elaborate, too. Yeah. So if you want to fall into the weeds there after he said that, it would have been great if we had a media team that could have just fucking like completely just started flooding the Internet with content backing what he was saying, like just gone to war. Yeah, that would have been amazing. But we didn't. We didn't. Yeah, I agree with you 100 percent. Like it was said and then just left out there to be interpreted.

There was never, like, like, there should have, we should have come out, we should have fucking kicked the bar doors open and came out in the street and fucking warred with people on the street. We should have fought like motherfuckers. So. so so yesterday's show holy shit I can't believe I'm going to come full circle so yesterday's show was supposed to be about that like I'd watch that whole video that Hiller did with Andrew Charlesworth and I was going to do a whole show on just

there's so many fucking things in there that Andrew said that are incorrect, not Andrew Hiller. And, uh, and so we made a thumbnail based on that. I thought it was going to be Andrew Hiller, all about Andrew Hiller. And I thought I was going to invite Andrew on. And then I pivoted at the last minute. I was like, you know what? I don't feel like ass pounding Charlesworth. How long has Charlesworth been around CrossFit for a while? I don't know. He said in there, maybe 11,

13, 2011, 2013. Okay. So while he's from Flint, Michigan, he said, he seems like he's drank the water from there.

Oh, dusty a Willard. Hey, Sebi, I just attended the expanding horizon seminar with matt and debbie holy shit the content should be integrated into the l2 no shit i'd love to hear your take on that you want to come on and talk about that sometime yeah that's interesting uh for those who don't know matt schindeldecker and debbie Debbie run the program that's expanding very very quickly that gives youth juveniles who've been naughty a place

in CrossFit gyms to get their shit together to work out with their parole officers with other kids and start building some self confidence Debbie do you think Hiller is better in in-person interviewer than you currently are, or do you still have the skills? No, he's the best ever.

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do the you take their class and then they also give you the tools. Maybe it's the paperwork, but basically teach you how to jump through the hoops to get in touch with whoever at the county or your state is fucking sending kids to fucking juvenile detention centers and say, hey, look, here's the program. Send them here for fucking 16 weeks and watch the recidivism rate drop in your area. It's Brett Bauer. It's going into jails to run CrossFit classes. Oh, it's a Brett Bauer. It's going into jails to run CrossFit classes. Great people. Highly recommended their seminar. Yeah.

He's, he's amazing. We have faith in you. Yeah. He's been drinking early with those last two comments. Hey, listen, like,

listen. Oh, here we go. Oh, here we go. oh there you go mike pool boy my hottie teammate found an old in-person interview you did and she said she had a crush on you so it's okay civvy your looks are the true super superior interviewer you're you're savvy your looks are the true superior i don't know what that means but and no girls ever had a crush on me ever.

Never, ever. One time, one time there was this girl in high school, Gina. I heard she hates me now. Isn't that weird? Yes. 40 years later, someone just told me, Hey, she hates you. It's like, Oh, who is this person? Hey, you know, it sucked. 40 years later someone just told me hey she hates you I was like oh shit who is this person

hey you know what sucked I've told this story before but not in a long time this girl had a crush on me in high school she was fucking so cute she was in my it was like my freshman year in high school and she was in my swim class and I fucking I was the kid wearing the t-shirt

and one day i took my t-shirt off and i'm just fucking hating myself you know like the night before class i did like 4 000 sit-ups yeah like it did nothing right okay i ate a bowl of ice cream i did 4 000 sit-ups screaming did 4 000 sit-ups and we're in class and i go up on the fucking high dive to jump in and she starts whistling at me and it's like like i don't want fucking any attention like i'm gonna jump and my tits are gonna go up like i was that dude give her the hog I wasn't giving anyone the hog in high school

Sebi do you think haters listen to you because you're mischievous and polarizing so while actually liking you they just don't want to let you be right i have no i have no idea what i said faith restored oh i have no idea littleel, welcome to the show. We see you there on X. Don't think you can hide.

Hey, are we on X right now? No, that's Caleb's thing. No, are we on Instagram right now? Oh, no, we're not on Instagram right now. Only Caleb has that magic power. Yeah, I could try. Let's see. Instagram.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Here we go. Jedediah Snell so now that we've identified Sousa as Quagmire go fuck yourself you need to acknowledge that Seve looks and sounds like Vector on Despicable Me I don't know who that is the fuck are you watching Despicable Me let me see

who this Vector cat is Vector hey someone's gonna make those clips of uh what's the guy's name the russian guy roman yeah roman yeah my brain is not working this morning i think i've been getting up too early for too many consecutive days oh i do look like that guy wow okay riley welcome to the chat my saving grace is that my shoulders are wider than my hips. If it wasn't for that, I would just be a fucking mess. That's my only saving grace.

I look okay clothed. Just okay clothed. I always thought the t-shirt in the swimming pool was interesting because I felt like it draws more attention to you. Oh, dude. It somehow helps. Bro, just say it. You're a fucking idiot if you do that

live just complete fucking idiocy oh interesting you could do you're setting up the instagram live i'm trying to yeah if i don't get this in like one second i'm just gonna bail because i'm it's okay take your time hey um so guys what's happening i don't know if you guys anyone who follows me on instagram you can see that a lot of my posts now don't have writing in them so what instagram is doing is every other day they're not letting me write or make comments so yesterday i was ready to go to war with people and hillar's comment about crossfit and loneliness and uh i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't play with fucking, I wanted to be like a killer whale just throwing fucking seal meat around. Hey, it's perfectly okay to say that like, hey, I was, I'm a really lonely person or I was really

lonely. And I went to a CrossFit gym and I met a bunch of great people and I just feel a lot better. But to say loneliness is a sickness and to use lonely as some sort of metric with crossfit you've completely lost your way with crossfit we're back to rosa 2.0 crossfit is crossfit is not i don't think i i'm this is going to be fucking brutal but i'm starting to think that crossfit is not in a better place than when it was when rose was in charge i mean i think the same people are in charge when rosa was in charge that are in charge now oh okay well okay forward-facing things may have changed you don't want to be selling crossfit for things that aren't measurable you want it to be cured uh a cure for the world's

most vexing problem it's completely measurable what it does to your a1c's to your muscle mass you don't want to say start saying it cures all emotions. It's just a joke. It's a slippery slope to just the idiocy world. If you want to say something, be like, yeah, we have a lot of vets. They come back from the war, and they feel isolated, and they feel alone, and we get them in the CrossFit program, and things start really coming together for them, great. and we get them in the CrossFit program, and things start really coming together for them, great. But to say that loneliness is a sickness and CrossFit can help, you're just taking away from the validity and the measurable. The validity because of the fact that it is everything that we do is measurable. You don't want to go down that route. Greg would have never gone down that route. And also, you're diagnosing people with something.

Loneliness leads to sickness. Not for me. Loneliness is the favorite thing I do. But you're telling people that loneliness leads to sickness. And then we have the cure over here at CrossFit. Just so sloppy. Hey, why not say, why not? Here's why it's such idiot talk.

Why not just say, hey, I was happy. I was happy and I did burpees and now I'm cured of my happiness. Hmm. was happy and i did burpees and now i'm cured of my happiness hey and the truth is the only wise people you know have cultivated that wisdom through lonely through through being alone the healthiest people and happiest people in the world have cultivated all while being alone they are so happy when they're alone it's the exact opposite it's the exact opposite of what they're saying is the truth you don't like being alone because of the story you tell yourself while you're alone and since you've fucking completely lost that you don't have the tools to practice how to figure out how to alter your story or change your story. You're then going to double down and defend on your stupidity.

I get it. We all do it. We all do it. You want to defend it so bad that your loneliness is real. You want to defend the story so bad. So-and-so beat me up. It's their fault fault I'm so lonely Jay Hartle a loneliness and elderly people isolation leads to mental degrade yeah sure mm-hmm if you say so.

Okay. Listen. It is not – it's not – they're not – what's the term mutually exclusive. It's OK. It's OK to say. I was lonely and I started going to a CrossFit gym and my loneliness subsided. It's OK to say that I had really high A1C and I started taking Metformin and fucking insulin and all the fucking drugs and my my my blood sugar levels dropped. It's OK to say that. Yeah, see, exactly. Jeffrey Birchfield. Sounds true.

I did burpees now and I cured my happiness. Yeah, CrossFit's the cure for all emotions. True. It's true. You can push back. I get it. It's a hard thing to see, but the people – you can push back. I would push back because I know people who send me links all the time to articles just like this about wanting to make a change in life. Unfortunately, those articles are never about CrossFit. to make a change in life. Unfortunately, those articles are never about CrossFit. I understand the sentiment of saying

that if you're lonely, you should join a CrossFit gym and that loneliness will, you won't feel loneliness anymore if that's not a feeling you like. But HQ should not be saying those things. They should not be saying it like loneliness causes sickness.

It's fucking woke idiot talk. It's not science. You want to tell a story about an old lady who was at home and someone went by her house every day and took her to a gym and her life just got way better. Tell the fucking story listen to this look at this this one's great this uh spiegel just got this straight out of ai cnn reports social isolation and loneliness social isolation and loneliness have become widespread problems in the united states posing a serious threat to our mental and physical health linked to increased risk for heart disease and stroke. I got an idea.

Lockdowns. Yeah. Lock lockdowns only for two weeks until we, uh, figure out what's going on here, guys. Then we'll let you out of your cage. I have an idea.

If you're feeling lonely, why don't you do a hundred burpees just at your house? Shooter McGavin, uh, being alone as a lost art should be, uh, you should be able to be alone. You should be able to fucking flourish when you're alone.

Should have the tools. You should cultivate the tools that you flourish when you're alone. The greatest shit that you'll ever be able to do for yourself is when you're alone, not with other people. a position to be valuable to other people. And that could be a really small thing, that could be a really big thing. But I think that if you're feeling that way, I would imagine something that would help you get out of your rut, despair, depression, loneliness, is finding something to go just be responsible for that contributes positively to another human being or to a larger organization. I guarantee you if you said, okay, I feel like shit.

I have nobody around me. I've been lonely, stuck in this house. But you know what? I bought this little picker-upper thing from Amazon, and I have a trash bag. And so every day I'm just going to go walk downtown, and I'm just going to pick up a ton of trash for one hour. And if you committed to do that for every day for one week, I guarantee you by the end of the week, you would have some conversation with some people. People would come up and be like, this is the second time I've seen you.

A business owner would walk outside their shop and be like, Hey, this is the third time this week I've saw you come by and pick up trash. Who are you? Why are you doing this? Right? And then if you really wanted to keep doing that, you could just keep volunteering or offering your service at a specific time. And slowly you would all of a sudden have a group of people around you. Dude. I wholeheartedly agree. I've always wanted to do this thing when I was younger. I don't know.

I think it was one of these ideas I had. Maybe I wasn't even young when I had it. But just walk around and pick up trash with one of those things and have a little bucket like on my side here or like a piggy bank or something that says, if you like what I'm doing, please drop a quarter in. And that's all you do. You just walk around and pick up trash. You just add value.

Yeah. That's all you do. You just walk around and pick up trash and just fill bags full of trash. The reason why. Yeah. Or think, please help pay for my bags to pick up trash These bags aren't cheap, put a dollar in There you go Are you sure somebody in my area Walked by and throw you a 20

I'd throw you a 22 if I saw you doing that And you had that sign, I'm picking up trash My job in my life is picking up trash Fuck People would do it I'm self-employed i'm self-employed i'm an entrepreneur i'm a trash picker upper i've been wanting to do that and you know it's just a matter of fact of me not following through and executing but i talked to one of my members uh

a while back and we we were like hey we should go to some of these public parts as a gym and just spend one hour picking up trash but then make it fun where we have a big timer and then somebody just yells burpees and every minute that we're out there for the commitment we everybody stops and does either like 5 10 or whatever burpees right because then if you imagine it's also a great marketing scheme because you're driving by some park and people are really active and outside a lot and you just see this big group of people picking up in trash and somebody yells something they all simultaneously drop and do a certain amount of burpees and then oh oh yeah yeah like yeah fuck yeah i get fired back up about the idea

i'm gonna do it this month and i'm gonna film it and put it on put it on the internet for you people to judge hey i don't jeffrey i wanted i like the idea of someone doing it as an entrepreneur outside of the fucking government agenda. Like, hey, it's just your thing. There's a guy in England who just walks around and compliments people. Have you ever seen that guy? He's got a huge Instagram account. He just wears a robe.

He's fucking awesome. Okay. Melissa Odie. There's so many people do that in Cape Town, especially on beaches. Old people, families walking. No shit. Yeah. I never see anyone picking up trash around here. Ever, ever, ever, ever.

And it's always really clean in Newport. Yeah, but there's still trash that people could pick up. I remember yesterday on the bike path, there was a can, and everyone was just going around it, and I picked it up and threw it in the trash. It's like, come on, dude. how many people have to fucking go around this uh um someone said something uh jetted i you said something about the difference between isolation and loneliness someone else was saying that too yesterday uh there's a difference between being alone and isolated yeah if you would have said hey hey, are you feeling isolated? Are you feeling lonely?

Join a CrossFit gym. It's all in the wording. Yeah. Jedediah has been on point this morning. Who's guarding the fucking brand over there who the fuck is guarding the brand over there hmm hmm

isn't it funny how we're drawn to like people who are making some sort of contribution like on their own you know say that again drawn to make a contribution on their own you know say that again oh drawn to make a contribution on their own no like drawn to somebody who is making some sort of contribution right like you mean example like the trash example is good and you know you see somebody like painting like you know out there repainting some stuff at a park you know to make it look

nice for the people and it's just like this kind of, I would call it a selfless act, but we all know that if you do those contributing acts or like you give to other people, it really feels good internally. So it's, you know, but it, yeah, people are just drawn to people like that. Travis B, that's pretty much what the article says. Travis, that's not what it says in the title. And I don't even know what this means you're arguing semantics uh seven plus seven is 17 you're arguing pencil strokes like no seven plus seven is

14 and we're not arguing pencil strokes i i i don't know what you mean by that but the brand has to stay on point it's it's the things you need to, we need to be sticking to the, well, I actually, I don't even care when I say the brand, I'm just saying how I don't even care. Well, if they lose their way, they lose their way. Like I, I'm not like, um, I'm not, I'm not bothered by it, but I, but I enjoy talking about it. And if you're going to, you're going to sway away away from the truth more fodder for me what are we gonna say no i don't know if i was gonna go into it i kind of got distracted by lauren's comment because she put you shouldn't rely on other people to cure your loneliness the the the whole thing with loneliness too yet once again going back there is no such thing as fucking loneliness it's you're telling yourself a story and you don't want to change your story

so if you go to a crossfit gym you will have a distraction from that story and it's a good distraction i'm okay with that distraction and there's no there's no two people whose loneliness is the same that's why it's all just fucking woke talk it's all nonsense it's all fucking marketing it's not the crossfit that we were told what is crossfit it's not observproduct happiness a cure for loneliness a self-worth like we've always known that helps you helps you quit smoking we did a study no you didn't do a study you did a fucking survey it's a lie to say it's a fucking lie to start talking about loneliness like it's fucking real and it's okay but but not to be forward-facing like that uh for the brand unless

you don't care about diminishing the brand drink a coke it makes you happy you know what else fucking cures loneliness you know drinking a soda pop eating a bag of m&ms oh cool yay god i was so bummed and i ate a sandwich you know if i eat sandwiches non-stop all day all my fucking problems go away uh l knolls i yeah exactly i read the title then it went in the trash exactly lauren lewis yeah now now i mean now if you know your true self you'll never be lonely i don't even know my true self and but i but i sense it in there okay crossfit is killing crossfit um so your argument is that loneliness doesn't exist because you can't measure it quantitatively. No.

That's not my argument. That's a – I'm distinguishing between the brand representing things that are real and truthful and can be measured. The brand representing things that are real and truthful and can be measured, sure, if you want to go there, versus getting soft on the outside and just doing anything it can to get people into the gym and to not be precise in the wording and accurate and honest, truthful. And accurate. And honest. Truthful. Like there's people in the comments and Hiller's comments are like, there's peer reviewed studies. No. First of all, who gives a fuck if they're peer reviewed? That means nothing. And they're not fucking studies.

They're fucking surveys. No one's measuring fucking loneliness. They're surveys. It's completely unreplicatable. Can you point to me – no, it's not just that it's not – I want to get through this here a second. So again, it's not real because it's not measurable. That's one of the qualities that make it so it's not – it could be real to you, but it's not real out here. It's not real objectively. My dick is peer-reviewed. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah. my dick is peer-reviewed yeah thank you yeah yeah yeah exactly thank you that's fucking awesome now does everyone get that does everyone get that that joke crossfit games lonely event three okay travis there you go, it's not real. There's not going to be a lonely competition at the fucking CrossFit Games. In lane number 6, Danny Spiegel. In lane number 5, Daniel Brandon.

Who is more lonely? 3, 2, 1, go! Who is more lonely? who is one low all right what do you think the what do you one more i don't like today's show one more question maybe since i got ass pounded in the beginning. I think the phone is down. Really? Let me see. Oh. Oh, yeah. It says someone called.

Maybe the phone is down. Let me see. Bluetooth on. Oh, shit. You're right. A Rodecaster Pro. Oh, connected now. Sorry.

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Caller hold on Go ahead Susan We can go through Cause this will be a whole thing Okay caller hi Chevy how we doing It's Plummer Plummer

Dude thank you for your contribution To yesterday's show You're fucking stuck Sorry I didn't mean to Serve a thought too much Dude are you kidding me It to yesterday's show. You're fucking stuck. Sorry, I didn't mean to stir the pot too much. Dude, are you kidding me? It was gold.

It was gold. You are the catalyst for what Andrew Hiller called the top 50 moment on the Sevant podcast. Oh, yeah? That's right. Yeah, yeah. I love it. You got your own clip. There's a clip.

There's a whole sub clip. No shit. Did I actually? Yeah. That's cool. You're in the game. You're the man. no shit did i actually yeah that's cool yeah you're in the game you demand on that topic maybe maybe you can't cure loneliness in crossfit but can you find community yeah all that all all

that and hey dude and here's the thing maybe you can cure loneliness but it's your loneliness what i'm saying is it's not – There's no two people who it's going to be the same for. It's not something that's measurable. It's not something that's real. It's not something that's like – it's not like if a car is traveling at 60 miles per hour, how long does it take to go from point A to point B? It's just fucking nonsense talk it's fucking everyone has their own versions of fucking loneliness okay blah blah blah and if i can tell you that if i'm going to start telling you that crossfit a crossfit workout can cure

every emotion happiness loneliness it becomes ubiquitous and it's just pointless insane if you want to tell us if crossfit hq wants to talk about loneliness and the power of crossfit they should fucking get together a panel of six people who are really depressed and have them talk about how they started going to a CrossFit gym and they met, made friends and found mates and got healthy and they fucking helped them deal with their loneliness and get to the, and then maybe someone can be like, what do you think was the root of your loneliness? And then finally they'd be like, well, it was because uncle Buck diddled me when I was seven or because I've been using social media nonstop for 20 years. But to say that like a loneliness causes sickness, it's just fucking bullshit.

It's just fucking not even true. Yeah. So getting an anvil drops on your fucking foot, your foot from 100 feet up, your foot will break. That is true. That is true. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead.

The reason I asked, and it kind of stems back to my call from yesterday. And, and, wait, one more thing. Hold that thought. And it takes away from people's ability, personal accountability and personal responsibility to deal with their own loneliness. That is something that you in the end, you are going to have to

deal with. Your gym owner is not going to fix it for you. Yeah, no amount of blowjobs is going to make your loneliness go away. Yeah. You ever had a blowjob, Will? Will, you ever had a blowjob? Yeah. Okay.

You ever given one? Thank you. No. Okay. Your gym owner is going to do it. So the reason I ask is because I got my mom in a crossfit gym about a year and a half ago now she's almost going on two years right and and one of the main reasons why was because i felt she needed more things to do right like very sociable but

now she found a community in this crossfit gym and i knew she would right right yeah that's cool was talking about being lonely and i knew it would be an answer right she would meet friends she would make friends um and now she has that community she's the oldest one in the gym right but she wears that like a badge of honor versus like at first she was like i don't know if it's for me right like i can't do everything that everyone else can but then yes here i get a text and she's like i just upgraded to 25 right and she's stoked and that was the that that's the main reason i asked because i've seen it's the impact that it's had for my mom when which has made a ton of new friends and has this community.

That's the only reason I bring it up. Yeah. So, so there's, there's some, I'm not, I'm not doing a good job at distinguishing between what I'm, what.

I think because of what I'm saying, people are thinking that I'm saying that loneliness isn't real in terms of for a person. No, no, no. But what – you could be – say you're lonely all day long. Yeah. I'm not interested in supporting that because I know it's not the truth. I'm not interested in supporting your bullshit story. There's some story you're telling yourself that you are now calling lonely, and I think people that use the word lonely aren't aware of that story they're telling themselves.

And so they're actually filling their loneliness up with that story. I'll give you another fucking more real answer, a real thing. When there's a car horn beeping outside your window at night and it wakes you up, what's really making you angry is not that car horn but the story you're telling yourself. Holy fuck, i have to work at 5 a.m who's this fucking asshole whose car alarm's going off oh my god i'm so stressed out i have an interview and now i'm not getting enough sleep that's what's really pissing you off and i don't think fucking 99 of the people fucking realize that and that's okay you don't have to but when when when when this program that is based in real shit called CrossFit is now fucking allowing people to run with these fucking bullshit stories about their loneliness and supporting it, I don't like it.

I don't like it. I think it opens the door for all sorts of fucking nonsense. And so if you're lonely, if someone said to me, hey, I'm really lonely. I'm thinking about doing CrossFit. Do you think it would help? I'd be like, fuck. Yeah, I get some. Fuck. Yeah, I get some. It'll totally help. It'll totally help. I mean, I, I, I medicate with fitness all the fucking time. Yeah. And the irony, the irony the irony is too is you could work out by yourself

and it would help yeah no you're right there's this Taoist saying stop thinking and all your problems go away yeah and let me tell you something if you're in oxygen deprivation mode you ain't worrying about a lot of shit no you're not you can't

no you can't you're like oh fuck I'm in survival mode and so that's what I'm saying I'm not saying that I just don't like the presentation of it it takes away from what we are as CrossFit yeah we're a serious fucking program

we're more serious than anything pharma puts out. Yeah. We have greater efficacy results than anything fucking pharma puts out. Anything any self-help book puts out. Anything Gold Kim puts out. Yeah.

So why are we softening our shit to... What are we going to start saying next? They want to put more members in, but I don't know if it's going to work. I'm okay with getting more members. Just find a way to say it that's not a fucking lie. Yeah. And that's serious.

I feel like when the brand does that, they're fucking spending their own equity, their brand equity. You're losing your seriousness. Like, hey, dude, do you have type 2 diabetes? Because, oh my god, are you about to be on dialysis? Because once you go on dialysis, you have a five-year life expectancy. you have a five-year life expectancy oh shit we gotta get you to a fucking crossfit gym why well because if you want to live that is the best place you can fucking go not fucking kaiser not fucking stanford medical but a fucking crossfit gym yeah yeah and that and not the fucking personal trainer at whatever gym right's going to have you do bodybuilding. And they're going to have you walk on the treadmill for five minutes, which would help you more than doing nothing. But it's not what you need. There was that gym.

I can't remember where, but I think it was in Phoenix. And they put up that fucking sign, We Cure Type 2 Diabetes. Bold. Hey, all of us know yeah anyway so i know someone's gonna be like well it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive you can still say it cures loneliness out of the just going down idiot world very true well have a good morning gents okay bye what what what'd you say bob drone's comment he's a harsh critic uh the last few regimes that cf merely reflects society instead of reshaping with soul uh integrity that's that's what i was saying to you when we were having a conversation.

Travis, I totally hear you. So you're saying, okay, Andrew, so do you agree that social isolation and feeling of loneliness negatively impacts overall health? So let me take the first part. Do you agree that social isolation – dude, I've never felt better than when I'm alone. Every time you sleep, you're alone. I like going on long walks. I'm alone. Every time you sleep, you're alone. I like going on long walks. I'm alone. I like breathing alone. For some people, maybe being alone in the story they start spinning in their head is horrible. But at the end of the day,

I don't think being alone, I don't think it categorically, I think the truth is that when you're alone is when you're going to be able to do your most significant work to make you happy. Caller, hi. Chevy, hi. Hi. Susan, hi. So I think you're looking at it from your perspective, and that's not really what's important of what we're looking at. So when you say you do your best work when you're alone, like you've got to look at it from somebody else's perspective.

And I work in a poor-facing healthcare role. I see this all the time. Looking at it through the eyes of a 90-year-old that just spent three months in the hospital, they're socially isolated. They're not near their family. They're out of their routine with their normal social, you know, going out for tea and toast. And they're physically, you know, wasting away.

Like, you know, do you think that those people are going to go home at 90 years old and, you know, be, be reflecting on their loneliness and feeling better the same way you are. It's, it's, it's not even comparable. And that's what, uh, you know, I think you're, you're missing the point on. No, I don't, I don't mind. I don't mind. I agree with you 100%. Let me use a different example than 90 year old. Bear with me here. If you're okay with this one, what do you think about this example you have um uh a group of um 10 kids right and they've all come from abusive homes and they're all doing they've all been busted for illegal crimes right and you're going to get them together and there was a program like this a movie was made about this and you're going to take them out to uh kenya somewhere where there's no electricity no uh running water and you're going to have them go on some sort of

three-month fucking like build teepees hunt their food they're all going to do all that stuff together right let's say they're going to do that or or even even something like matt schindeldecker's program they're going to all go to crossfit somewhere who is this is this isn't matt is it Who is this? This isn't Matt, is it? This? Yeah, who is this? No, this is Travis. Oh, okay.

I'm from the common. Oh, okay. Okay, so let's say, let me, sorry, bear with me here. Matt Schindeldecker's program. So you get these kids, and they're fucking miserable, and they feel alone, right? Their fucking family life is horrible. They've just been arrested for stealing. All their friends fucking suck. But now they're doing this CrossFit program at Matt Schindeldecker's gym and there's 13 of them and they do it five days a week and

they do it with their probation officers and they start to feel community and they start to feel connectedness with other human beings right and and their loneliness uh subsides and and they start to feel like they have value and contribution to humanity and they start to believe in themselves. I'm all for it. I think that's fucking amazing. Great. Cool. That's what I mean.

I think we're just arguing semantics and we're going in a circle. Like, just take it for what it is. It's CrossFit advertising the community aspect of CrossFit and joining an affiliate. It's a good thing. They weren't saying they're curing loneliness. They're not curing loneliness. Loneliness is just one, you know, social hygiene. It's one factor thing. They weren't saying they're curing loneliness. They're not curing loneliness. Loneliness is just one social factor that plays into your overall health. Brother, I hear you, but

it's a very, very slippery slope. Look, we all hate hate speech, right? But it really depends on who's defining what hate. Sorry. I want you to explain it to me directly, though, without using an analogy. If the point has merit, just let it stand on its own. Don't use an analogy.

CrossFit provides community. Social isolation and a lack of community has a direct impact on your overall health. I see it all the time. But that's not true. That's not true. Hey, that's not true. That's not true. Hey, that's not true. Hey, listen, but listen, I could say to you,

I could say to you, hey, social isolation is the only way to wisdom. I could say to you, 100% being by yourself, watching your own thoughts is the only way that leads to true happiness

is to be able to watch your own thoughts and be responsible and personally accountable for your own thoughts. I could go off forever on that also. Well, sure, but that's not what we're talking about when we're talking about social isolation in this context like you're you're trying to frame it from a different point of view that that's not that's not what they're talking about when they're talking about loneliness

and the studies that they're referencing in their article the survey the survey from that perspective the surveys that they're referencing why do you have a problem with the way I'm wording it? Why can't it just be like, Hey, we have this, um, uh, my biggest issue.

Sorry to interrupt you. My biggest issue with this is like, I mean, you and Hiller, like to me, the best thing about CrossFit is the community. Like, I think everyone would agree.

Would you not? Like I can go to the YMCA and do fucking a 20 minute email. I'm a burpees and wall balls, but it sucks dick. So I'm not doing that. Go do an affiliate. The best part for a large, I'd say for most people if I had to guess would be the community. This is just an article, uh, you know, advertising itself or advertising itself to people that maybe are looking for a community and a cure for their loneliness. And then to see you guys like rail on

it, it's just like, you know, it's just like the constant negativity is so tiresome. You know what I mean? Like there's plenty of shit that you can call out that sucks or there's plenty of good things. Like, I just don't know why, like you get so hung up on this when it's a overall, it's a good message. And that's what I mean where you're just getting hung up on the semantics of it. Hey, Oh, I was going to give you another metaphor. No,

no metaphors, no analogies, no metaphors, no analogies. I want, I want everything to, I want the things that are, that are,

I want CrossFit to stay very strict on, on, on the measurement thing. I want it to be, well, if I was running it, I want it to say, stay strict to brand. I want it to say, stay strict to the brand, measurable, observable, repeatable.

I want it to stay. What the reason why we have CrossFit today is because Greg Glassman defined fitness in a measurable, repeatable, observable way. And, uh, i know i said there's that order and this thing that rosa brought in where he changed it from the cure for the world's most vexing problem to a workout that makes you happy that i don't think that that shit is uh is is good for the brand i think it's horrible for the brand and when and so i'm as much as i i think we agree that crossfit is fantastic for people if you're in a bad mood or you have some any emotion and you want it to go away whether it be happiness or sadness you can do crossfit and it will go away i don't i don't think that that's where it's it's the representation and the slippery slope that it leads to us

not be taken seriously. And that's my point. And I apologize if it feels negative. I don't want to do that. And thank you for calling. I'm stoked you called. Okay. Well, we'll agree to disagree.

Thanks, Abby. Bye. Have a good show. Bye. Why can't I use a metaphor or analogy? Octane, CrossFit. Damn, look at Paulina. Who's Octane?

Cool picture, Paulina. Yeah, very cool. Okay, I want to go. Okay. Andrew Hiller, CrossFit is the product. What it is should stand on its own. You shouldn't need to pull in emotion because the product should always – the product should and always did the marketing. Jed and I have fun at your day, too, for the L2.

Sema, Coke relies on your feelings about it for you to drink it. That's why they show dancing. Marketing is all about emotion. Okay. okay uh for uh extra sloppy furthermore uh people can and do stress themselves to sickness as a byproduct of that depression does make people physically ill that's a factual statement you're saying your thoughts can make you sick. Yep. That's true.

Stress can also make you stronger. When you stress the body, it comes back stronger. It's also true. Without depression, there couldn't be the opposite of depression. It's also true. Without happiness, there couldn't be depression. The thing is, is like, those of us who are on this side of the argument,

if there is an argument, we clearly see what you on the other side are talking about. We're not disagreeing with anything that you're saying. It's just that it shouldn't be presented that way. It shouldn't be presented that way. Hey, Mary. Mary said we're talking about this longer than Dave talked about keto. I forgot what she said. The thing is that for those of us who see what's going on here,

you're opening up a door. And I apologize. I know I'm not articulating it as clearly as I want to, as clearly as I see it. We're opening up a door that leads to the erosion of what CrossFit is. It sounds all great. It sounds all great to say no one wants hate speech. We should get rid of hate speech. Until one day when someone comes along and they're like, hey, did you know affirmative action is really racism? And someone goes, hey dude, that's hate speech.

And they take you out back and beat you. Because no one can define what hate speech is or isn't. So you have to just go with freedom of speech. We have something very similar that's going on here. You have to keep CrossFit extremely fucking focused on what it truly can and can't do. Be focused on that, on what's real. The rest of the stuff can just be byproducts. CrossFit's not going to make it.

Saying that CrossFit cures loneliness is saying that CrossFit will make you an NFL player. It's just like, okay. It's irresponsible, fraudulent language what hate speech or um saying that uh loneliness causes sickness do you think this is true i can do 275 front squat for five is that good there's that there's no such thing as like is that good it's like a but that is but that is good unless you're 800 that yeah i think that's good that's a heavy front squat can you clean it you could front squat it for three you should be able to clean it uh there you go no analogy you have have to focus on what's real. And that's the thing, man.

Some people can't fucking distinguish. They so want to defend that their loneliness is real. Oh, interesting. Extra sloppy. I don't know. I put more value in the community than the methodology. I don't think it's a problem of someone else feels different, though. Without the methodology, there wouldn't have been the community than the methodology. I don't think it's a problem of someone else feels different though. Without the methodology

there wouldn't have been the community. Dude, I want to tell you something. There is no community, dude. Just a collection of people working out? Dude, that's one of the biggest fucking scams ever. I'm okay going along with that scam, but there is no community. That could be a whole other show.

There's no community, dude. Interesting take. There's no community. There's people at Azusa's Christmas party. No community. Oh, saying you can cure loneliness is um uh fraudulent language can't promise happiness either yeah but i promise you that if you do 100 burpees for time that's that your loneliness and your fucking happiness will subside for at least a little bit

uh sebi's dog uh i got a 91 year old patient has never left the house for 12 years does it count as loneliness? I don't know my wife after having the twins did not come to the front portion of our 860 square foot house or go outside for 3 months

wow how long? you think it was only 2? no it was 3 you You think it was only two? No, it was three. You really think it was two? I don't hear that very often. She said you would know better than me. Three months.

And she was never once lonely, upset, depressed. She was like, I was. And then I went into a CrossFit gym and I was cured. She does go to, she does go to a CrossFit gym regularly. She just went a couple of days ago or yesterday. She went yesterday. She got a chalk, a D affiliated gym. Yeah. The chalk. Andrew and I went to chalk one time. Um, uh, and you know what she just said to me? She said, how could I be depressed? I just had to, could I be depressed or bummed? I just had two kids. There's going to be a ton of – but she was isolated. Hey, and here's what's crazier.

I took her firstborn away from her for three months. So basically after she had been with Avi fucking every minute for 18 months, all of a sudden I was just fucking – he was mine. This is a dark show. Dan. This is a dark show. Hey, listen. CrossFit cures loneliness. It may switch to depression and a bad back. uh cock exactly it's a correlation not causation a fit person surrounded by people can be extremely lonely because they ruminate on their depressing thoughts

young jay not cool dude um rambler if you can power clean it but you can't squat clean it i'd suggest that you stop power cleaning heavy and you start um squat cleaning moderate weight from position one or the high hang where you don't let your shoulders dip forward you just dip straight down jump up and pull into the bar. You got to correct that. Side tangent. Oh, is this for – I'm trying to think. I thought maybe I found – oh.

Oh, never mind. My shit's all fucked up. I've lost my way. I don't know what I want the show to be about anymore. We need you to get you to the compound ASAP. We need you to get you back to the back to the garden. Yeah. You've been away from the homestead too long. You think I'm ungrounded?

Yeah. Yeah. You're a mess. He's a mess. Seems like Seve's a mess. All right, guys. Thank you. I don't know what's going on tomorrow. Should I do a show?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm feeling lonely. I'm going to go to a CrossFit gym and cure my loneliness. Hey, that's a totally – so this is a perfectly great thing to say. I'm feeling alone, so I went to my CrossFit gym and I felt better. I don't want loneliness as an enemy. I want the CDC.

I want public health. I want public health. I want the World Health Organization. Those are the enemies I want. I think I have a mole on my back that just,

can a mole just show up on your back? This bump on my back, I don't know what it is. I have no idea. I'm not the guy to ask that. Are you a doctor?

If I do cross it, will that bump go away? Yes. Oh, Bears, the bears play today watch the bears wanna love yes exactly rambert the american beverage association their funding of the exercise sciences the corruption between pharma and our food and drug administrative institutions, those are my enemies. Those are the enemies I choose. That's where I would steer the ship.

ABC. All right, guys. Love you. See you guys tomorrow. Oh, no, I won't. Suze will see you tomorrow. I think I'm driving home tomorrow. Bye-bye.