The Sevan Podcast - Official Rogue Invitational Event 4 & 5 pre/post show

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

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Out of nowhere, they weren't even talking about BKG on the broadcast and all of a sudden he just slipped in second place. Bam, we're live. We have the honor to have Mr. Spin with us, Brian Spin from the Barbell Spin, John Young from... No one ever gets that.

John Young from JY Barbell, Matt Susan, the center, CrossFit Livermore, and everyone knows him as the face of the keeps the lights on here at the podcast. And then Caleb Beaver bringing up the pictures and the insights from the back so that you don't just have to listen to our voice.

We are waiting for we're not waiting for but Taylor self from self-made training program will be joining us shortly. He's just snapping some quick photos for his only fans uh great event i do want to say i want to address or undress a victor hoffer um uh yesterday we accused him of having a sex change today we accused him of not having a trunk and uh the man from france took a third place um mr spin surprise we shouldn't be surprised

right he's he's the greatest in gymnastics ever he's on a whole nother level and then no one's picking because there's a snatch if you watch my show on wednesday i picked him you did it was not a surprise yeah i i didn't pick him i was very surprised he was that good i ended up picking noah um i guess it worked out but you know uh victor i didn't think he would be second place in this workout third third bjorn van paul goodman that that's right. Who looks like he fell off the cover of Gymnastics Weekly, by the way. Just his body and his whole look. Stud. Superficial.

BKG. Just superficially speaking, he looks like he's from the Russian Olympic team. Gymnastics. 100%. Yeah. Anyway, go on. So you picked Noah. We're trying to celebrate Hoffer.

And you're like, well, I didn't pick him, but I picked the winner. Go on, John. No, but you know what? hey victor's got some fans uh my gym has a sweet iron antler fitness giving you a little shout out and all of the girls love victor hoffer they think he's the they think he's the prettiest thing out there they were all rooting for him where where did they go wrong and saying that his – were we wrong in the previous show by saying his trunk isn't developed enough or were we right in just the snatches weren't as consequential as we thought? Mr. Spence.

The latter, for sure. I mean, you – Oh, he's still a pussy. They all – I mean, for the most part, the snatches were not that big of a differentiator. Like you saw, handstand pushups was definitely the biggest, the biggest separator. If you couldn't do those, you saw that with Laura.

And Roman. And Roman, yeah. And so, like, you just had to have a consistent pace and just stay close to the barbell on the snatches and you weren't going to be that different. It was when you got back to the rings and the handstand push-ups could you just go straight into them or did you have to take a break and waste time um the noah's handstand push-ups are they just on a complete other level is he alone is there anyone else who's who's in his category yeah i mean it's

it's it's not just those i think it's the combination of the whole event and i don't know if will morad's hands are shredded or not will morad is the best at handstand push-ups in the whole world um he did if you will watch his first round he did his first round all strict and i thought he was going to do that the whole entire time i'm surprised that he ran out so quick like a normal will morad wouldn't run out as quick as he did of gas. But he did. But no, they're in the same category. But there are people there.

Noah's just fitter. He's the fittest guy that's really, really good at handstand push-ups. I am dying to see this leaderboard. Because did we just see Roman Krenniknikoff uh completely fall out is he is is that it he's he's there's there's no chance i i you know he might be in the bottom five guys oh he might work out yeah he might be in the uh bottom five uh he's no longer on the podium i can say that i don't know how far he'll drop no longer on the podium. I can say that. I don't know how far he'll drop. He's no longer on the podium for the entire weekend? Yeah.

No, right now. Just making sure. I heard it. I heard it. No longer on the podium for the entire week. You heard it. That's through your, yeah, whatever. Hey, dude, let's just say this right now.

Look at these scores right here. The worst is Brent Fikowski with the 15th. I suspect we saw Roman just take a 15th or worst. He's going to have tied or the worst finish. And now you're claiming to be in the top three. The worst so far is 13th, Pat Vellner. That will be your leader after this event. Good for him.

And he's a fucking wicked good deadlifter too. Is that what's next? The duel, which he should be fine at too. Yeah, he'll be good deadlifter too. Is that what's next? The duel, which he should be fine at too. Yeah, he'll be good at the duels. Willie, though, he struggles with high execution. He won the obstacle course in 2017. That was his first win ever.

He's really good at the obstacle. I agree with you on execution, but not with this type of stuff. It's not a snatch that he has to make. There's not a lift he has to make. It's all just being athletic. I wish I could show you the leaderboard. I just had it up here and I screwed it up and took it off. Nothing's updated yet. It's not updated.

I had it frozen on the screen from the live stream. Basically, as I remember, who took second? It was Noah first place. Pat second. Pat second Pat second and Hoffer third no BKG second Hoffer third and then Pat fourth Pat would have gotten third had he sprinted across the line he'd like strutted across the line and if he would have sprinted he would have beat Victor but he he didn't you need to know the time to beat I was a little

upset about that do you guys let me give you one want to say the places again, then you can go, Taylor. Noah first, Bjorkvin, Carl Goodman since second, Victor Hoffa third, Pat Vellner fourth. The only person from the first heat in this top four is Hoffer. Go ahead, Taylor. Hoffer made me eat crow. I will say that. And I'm pumped.

Good for him, dude. That's what you should do as an athlete. If you have somebody saying, oh, you can't do this, you can't do that, you take it and you fuck them up with that. Yeah, Tia. So good for him. The other thing I was going to ask, do you ever get into like a – do you ever start to engage in an argument via social media

and then just fucking pump the brakes real hard? I'm like, whoa, what am I doing? I can't argue with this level of craziness oh because they're so crazy they're so yes yes yes it's like why am i even responding there's nothing that's going to come out of this anytime anyone says something like like white people can't be racist or it says in the bible i i'm immediately like i'm out i'm out i'm out i'm out i'm out i'm out i'm out. I'm out. Not 10 foot tall. No, I don't know. I don't be crazy like that.

Noah Olsen, first place. Bjorgman, Carl Goodmanson, second place. Did I say white people can't be racist? I meant black people can't be racist. First place, Noah Olsen. Second place, Bjorgman, Carl Goodmanson. Third place, Victor Hoffer. Fourth place, Pat Vellner.

Fifth place, Jay Crer. Fourth place, Pat Vellner. Fifth place, Jay Crouch. That's nice. Lazard Jukic. Hey, is that bizarre? Lazard Jukic. I think of him as a taller man. Oh, no. That's a good workout for him.

That's a decent workout for him. Yeah, this is a good workout for him. Good endurance? Yeah. Is that why? Because it's 10 rounds? For some people, like with Victor Hoffer, where he's great upside down, but for Lazarus, the strong point is like, hey, it's 10 rounds,

and the guy's got an engine. Is that for him? Is that the important part here? It's engine being with elite gymnastics. Fair enough. Jay Crouch, Lazar Djukic, Will Morad A little bit shocked here, right gentlemen? You guys were saying? A little surprised, a little surprised, for sure I wouldn't expect him to be

A minute and a half off the best time That's fair, I agree with that That being said He did beat the champ And the champ is a pretty a solid baseline uh jeffrey adler at 1742 too much jacuzzi between the games and now too much what else do they do what else they do in french canada dude too much mask too much too much jacuzzi sorry i'm going. Too much.com and zone diet for him.

Kind of a bad finish for him in this workout. I would say so as well. I think that's a terrible finish for Jeff. Bruce Wayne. Especially considering Pat got fourth. Hispanics can't be racist. We're not even a race. Thank you.

Call me. Yeah, but if there's ever a knock on Adler, it was his gymnastics. Was it? Not these gymnastics, Brian. What gymnastics? Apparently it is. Taylor says too much juku's. Dan Guerrero says too much puntine.

Which is a kind of shampoo that's the cousin of Pantene. Oh, I thought that was a cousin of Poutang. It is. God, you're so crass. God, my mom's watching. I'm more male than Poo-Tang.

I think Roman and Hosta need to watch Brent Fikowski in these events, in these type of events. Brent Fikowski was behind almost everybody in the first two rounds, and little by little by little got better and better and better. And if you watch him, the way he executed this event it was beautiful because he knows this is not going to be the greatest event for him it's a range of motion workout and roman and hosta went the exact

opposite way that brent fikowski went they need to well i would disagree. I would say Brent Fikowski went into this workout with the approach that I'm going to maximize every fucking point that I possibly can based off my capacity here and run my race perfectly to do so. Roman went out with, I should have been the fittest on earth and I'm going to be the fittest on earth on this workout. Not realistically appraising his capacity on the workout. be the fittest on earth on this workout, not realistically appraising his capacity on the workout. Yellow host day. I thought started, I didn't see him in the first couple of rounds.

I thought he started slow and finished even worse. I don't think he started hot. Did he? No, this is just not a good one. He faded. He faded. I would just say he faded.

He faded. Well, I think him and Hopper approach this workout even different than Roman and even different than Brent in the sense that, Oh, I'm not going to be good at this workout, so fuck it, and they quit before they even start. Who did that? Who are you accusing of that?

Who are you accusing? For sure, Jason, for sure. He's way more capable than a last – I mean, what did he take? Where's the – do they have the bottom ten? We don't have it yet. Why would he do that? Why would he say F it? Why would he go out there and say it?

I don't think he said F it. I don't think he's consciously saying F it. I in his head he's like i'm not going to do well at this workout and that just eats in and it and adds seconds to everything he does it's in the back of his mind i'm not supposed to be good at this to add seconds to everything he does and you could see it in the way he approaches the workout such a lack of aggression such a lack of discipline and it frustrates me because he's a really good friend of mine. I know he's capable of so much more. All right.

Sorry. I'm done crying. Let's let's fuck you, Jason Yale. Don't say Hopper's trash in the comments. I'll fuck you up. Hey, yeah, yeah. Blood's thicker than water. Let's go to the women who won this in the women's side.

Tia. Tia. Crush. And Laura doing as good as she did and Laura doing as bad as she did. This is going to be a thick lead. Hey, dude, what the fuck? Are the women that good? Are she that good or are the women just that bad? I mean, they had

fucking six months to figure it out and they can't touch her. And then she just struts back in and pats everybody on the head and says, good game, and walks off with her. Brings them water. I will say. I will say. Wait, wait, wait.

Before we get into this, I want to give the top five at least. Tell me who they are. Tia Orr first. Is it Ariel? Ariel Lowen. Emma Carey. Ariel Lowen. Men on Agony.

Let's go, Ariel. Okay, hold on a second. Very surprised by Men on Agony. Come on, guys. Let me get this out. Hold on. Let's go, Ariel. Okay, hold on a second. Very surprised by Manon Angonese. Come on, guys. Let me get this out. Hold on. For the people just listening. First place, Tia Claire Toomey. Second place, Emma Carey. Third place, Ariel Loewen.

Fourth place, she came to compete this weekend, gentlemen, Manon Angonese. Fifth place, Emma Lawson. Sixth place, Christine Kolenbrander. That one right there is pretty darn huge. I know, but she's a bigger girl, and it's high-volume gymnastics. But it's not strict. There's no running. That's true.

It's not strict. There's a lot of hip exercise. Danny Spiegel's also good at that stuff. With the judge? Yeah. Okay, let me just say this. I want to get it out of the way real quick. What happened to Danielle Brandon?

This is what I think happened. I think they told her, attack. This is your workout to win. She attacked and then just fucking hit a wall. Because I think she was leading. I think she was leading, then hanging around second and third, and then all of a sudden just vanished. Well, she was in first heat, which doesn't help.

And I think her back also got blown out by the snatch. Any thoughts, Mr. Spinn? I think this one surprised a lot of people. I mean, you saw it on the first heat of the women. I mean, there were four rounds in, and they all looked trashed. And I commented on our thread that this is going to be a rough second half. And if you went out hot, you paid for it. You had to have this consistent pace like Ariel, like Tia, like Hoffer,

where you knew you could hold that pace and just do it. If you went out faster than your average, you were toast. Ladies and gentlemen, we are looking on the screen right now at the top 10, and there is a name that's screaming at us that's not on this list. Yeah. And that is Laura Horvath. And is this John Young the workout? Is she gone now?

Is that it? She can't win first now? I think it would be incredibly hard for her to win first. How about second? I think she'd win second. I actually think Emma Lawson is going to be ahead of her after this. Can we go to the leaderboard to see how many points there was? There was a big gap, but not this big of a gap.

The thing about Tia that this workout is very similar to the first event for me, for Tia, because we knew that she's so much better than every other athlete, with maybe the exception of like a Christy Aramo at running. Way better than all the females at running. Muscle-ups as well. She's better than half the men's field at ring muscle-ups, which as a female is insane. She's just so fucking good at muscle-ups.

Yeah, this should have been a home run hit for her. I think a lot of us said Tia was going to win. It's just Laura couldn't afford to do as bad as she did. I agree. It's going to be really hard. She needs Tia to have a really bad event. For there even to be a shot, Tia has to have an event where she really falls off.

I see it hard to have that. Unless she gets a massive mistake on the duel. It's Tia's turn, I think. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's the only chance. You have to take a massive mess up on Tia's part. Like a no rep on a rope climb or something. A middle judge, if you will.

For historical purposes, let me just ask you guys this question. What women have there been who are better than men? Like Carrie Pierce. Carrie Pierce. Sam Briggs. Sam Briggs. Yep. And now there's a Tia Toomey.

There are probably a – ah, man. Elizabeth Akinwale in monkey bars. Was she – did we have monkey bars back then? She was the only one that went unbroken on Killer Cage in 2011. Wow. And that heavy fun squat, too. Wow. We're not going to pair weights with men and women.

Anything else? Which is quite the feat, right? Tia at swimming as well. I mean, there are, yeah, swimming is one that's pretty standard. Like, she beats the field out there. Like, if they do a swim muscle-up event, she's beating 90% of the men, Tia's? I don't know about 90%. She's beating, without a doubt, 50%, which is still crazy.

Right. Well, what's really crazy is that you're beating men who are in the top 10 top five and then just like carrie pierce just fucking putting it to the whole field right right right yeah absolutely she's a danielle bannon handstand walking that's a that's a good example okay okay oh no but didn't isn't there a guy now that runs faster than tutor magda tutor magda but you go you put them on obstacles i'll take danielle all day i'll take danielle on any handstand walking event but if it's just a straight 300 for time maybe two maybe not maybe not he's yeah he runs it's crazy do you know who matt ratea is yes matt ratate lies on his hands when you're mid oh sorry little person

when you're mid oh sorry little person all of a sudden you bite your tongue yeah dude i would never say that word let's let's just go let's just do it uh so is it over is the is the woman's competition over is that it did we just see the end of it unfortunately massive mess up on tia's side dude we said that but uh yeah i mean i know but i had hope i had hope there would be some i mean i want tia to do well but i was hoping we would take a massive mess up on Tia's side. Dude, we said that, but I, yeah, I mean. I know, but I had hope. I had hope there would be some, I mean, I want Tia to do well, but I was hoping we would have a, I wanted Laura to win so we could get to the games

and see them battle again and not know. Yeah. But now we know, now the games are kind of, if Tia wins this, the games are kind of ruined too. Yeah, there's no chance. Yes, there's no, yes. I think it's more uh laura's fault though than than tia's superiorness 15 55 dude she beat emma carrie by a minute and 20 minute 18 which is crazy um for uh 50 seconds no 50 seconds yeah i'm not over it no right right right right but dude that's insane

yeah no it is yeah but laura could not ask for a better handstand push-up event variant yeah you know what i mean like if laura was gonna win like like this they it looked like they wanted laura to win the way the the way the event. I thought that too. I would disagree. Or at least give her a chance. I thought that actually popped in my head too. When they made this, let's make something that at least gives Laura a chance. I thought that too.

I don't think they had that thought at all, but I will say I think it's confusing seeing the workout and saying, oh, it's a kipping handstand pushup. Laura should do well. But then you look at the 40 pressing reps on the muscle up, the 12 pressing reps from here to here on the snatch. And I just think all that pressing fatigue accumulated and exacerbated something that's already a weakness for her. And when she says handstand pushups aren't a weakness, unfortunately, you are full of shit. That's not accurate. It's an uncomfortable truth, Taylor. It is. Look, everybody

has them except for Patty B. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Thank you, Caleb. Thank you. Let me just read this comment from Aaron

and then we'll get straight to it and those guys can jump up and down on their chairs. Aaron, it's over, Aaron says. Laura is good. It's so many things. And that's an unfortunate truth. But her hole is devastated. She won't win now. Her hole is devastated.

Okay. Let's go. I'm crass. Let's go to the men. Pat Vellner, 310 points. Noah Olsen, 290 points. Wow, Noah too. Jeffrey Adler, 290.

Jorgvin Carl Goodman's in 285. Roman Krennikoff, 275. So the difference now between first place and fifth place Roman is 35 points. Wow, Roman really hung on to his britches there with that 15. He really did. I thought it would be worse than this, that shakeout. He's only 35 points back with five events, still over half the competition to go.

He's fine. And he's not out of it. And some home run hits. Like the chipper, I think he's going to win the chipper. Okay, without looking, I want to ask you guys this question. Do not scroll down yet, Caleb. I cheated. The worst placing you see here is 15th.

There is a guy sitting in 9th place who has an 18th place finish. That's where you have to go down to the 9th place to see a worse finish than 15th. Do you guys know who it is? Can we go? Hopper? Gallon Pepper. Ricky. Oh, it's Ricky?

I had an 18th. Ricky had an 18th. So Ricky's sitting... Ricky's sitting... Is he sitting... Oh, my God. Almost 100 points below. Eight first, 18th, 12th.

Can we scroll a little further? I just want to get... Yeah, please, please. Yeah, go ahead. Travis, 12th. Can we scroll a little further? I just want to get – Yeah, please, please. Yeah, go ahead. Travis, super consistent. Great for him. Yeah. It's a 9.

It's how consistent he is. I thought Hosted would take a way bigger lead than that. Dude. The fact that he's still 11th on. Hopper in 14th. All of these guys – Hold on, hold on, hold on, come on. The fact that he's still 11th. Hopper in 14th. All of these guys. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So like 10th through 15th is only separated by 20 points?

Yeah, 190 for Lazar Jukic in 15th, and then 10th place is Travis Mayer at 215. And 10th through 20th only makes six grand? Yeah. Well, that sucks. Yeah, 11th through 20th. I'd take six grand. Yeah. Well, that sucks.

Yeah, 11 through 20. I'd take six grand. Six grand to get your anus obliterated for four days? I've had my way. $1,500 a day. Free hotel, though. Is it free? And lots of good exposure.

Let's look at seventh place. Let's talk about – everyone give me a one minute uh a little thing on chandler um is chandler finally setting in settling into where he belongs amongst these beasts fifth fourth 11th 11th is that it are we going to slowly see him wayne uh mr young no we're going to slowly see him climb climb he's he's about to have 100 points in this deadlift workout and 100 points as we've seen with noah just now pat velner a couple workouts ago 100 points does so many things for you in a in a competition where there's so many roller coaster happenings across the board um and we know that that's coming for him i think he's only i think uh and none of these – none of the upcoming workouts, I think those are going to be his worst finishes. Maybe he has something that I don't know about that comes out of the park.

But I think he's just going to climb. I don't think – I think podium is within reach for him. You think that the – you think he's going to do better than 11th on the duel? The duel is so – it's execution. It's hard to do better than 11th on the duel? The duel is execution. It's hard to say out anybody. I don't need you making excuses for him, buddy. Okay, wanker. I think he probably does better than 11th on the duel,

but he's going to win the deadlift. What are the movements in the duel? You've got to duck under some pole while you're running. He's a wrestler. He does that stuff all the time. My one concern is the rope climb. You have to lift a heavy bag and you have to do a rope climb. Rope climb speed up and down is going to be huge.

And how is he on the rope? I don't think he's top five in the field. He's not the worst, but he's not top five in the field on the rope. He's got to get top ten, Taylor. Are they still doing the rope climb the schedule has it different now what does the schedule say oh it doesn't have a rope climb on there what does it just say it just says the over under log and three sandbags to teeter it's more than that it has to be i don't i don't see the rope i'm looking at the screen right now i just saw the masters do it and i did not see them climb the rope i just saw them took a rope out i don't know the rope. I'm looking at the screen right now. I just saw the Masters do it, and I did not see them climb the rope.

I just saw them do the rope. They took the rope out? I don't know. I'm wondering because if it starts to rain, they can't do it. Or they wouldn't feel sorry for them because their hands are torn up, would they? Well, they'd do a different deadlift bar if that was the case because they picked the deadlift bar that's going to shred it the most. Mr. Spin, Chandler Smith, are we going to see him just kind of just like he's in quicksand,

just totally settle into eighth, ninth, and tenth place? I think he has the ability to kind of stay where he is on the duel and then maybe move up ahead of Roman, honestly. And then the deadlift, he's going to take first or second at worst and so i see him top five after today uh and anything down at the bottom here uh travis mayor 10 jelly host at 11 will morad victor hopper jason Jason Hopper taking a 17th. So Jason has a 6th, a 19th, a 4th, and a 17th. Those are mental, mental defeats on those two bad workouts more than anything, I surmise. Hey, what's it do to an athlete out there when they get capped?

Does that just suck? Does that just, is that insult on injury? When you have Noah coming over to you to cheer him on, yeah. Did he do that? Did he go over and cheer Hopper on? I don't know. He went last night to Garrett. He never does do that, Sevon.

Yeah, I know. That's the most annoying thing about him. I love Noah. I have grown to really like Noah. I have grown to really like Noah. I hate that he does that. I want to pay for the Noah Olsen, Daniel Brandon OnlyFans page. I'm a little upset

that he's retiring this year because I would have loved to see Taylor at the games and then somehow get last place in something and then Noah come over to cheer him on. Were you just saying that Daniel Brandon and Noah Olsen should have their own OnlyFans? I did.

That would be a crazy porno. No, no, not a porno. That's what OnlyFans is. No, you can do other stuff on it. You can cook and shit. What would you do? Cook. Eat pigs.

Make a split. Step on pigs and various breads. Place Chinese checkers. Not that I know. Dallin Pepper sitting in 17th place. Here we go. Dallin, 16, 16, 10, 13. This episode is brought to you by PC Optimum.

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these next five events i i'm going to predict this the highlight of this uh rogue invitational is about to happen when in the final we have some mixture of pat jeff and ricky oh that would be a monstrous storm by ricky yeah how is ricky like in the in the duel no in the duel in the duel oh oh in the duel in this next event in the duel. In the duel. Oh. In the duel. In this next event. In the next event. I mean, in the duel. Roman should be good at the duel. Spin implied that he won't be. I don't think he's that good. I don't think he's good enough at rope climbs. Well, there aren't any. Well, we don't know that it's there.

Oh, that's right. Then, damn. That's... What the fuck? There better be a handstand walking between them. If Pat gets past the duel without like making a mistake and he's second place or at first or second place then i think pat's winning this man they do have a ladder up by the way they do have a yellow ladder up to the

top to where the ropes are now so i don't know and there are no ropes up so maybe they're coming out there to hang them it looks like there's gonna be some sort of strongman event next the it's called the gender neutral log press according to alex the nine man binary log press the non-binary that uh that ladder would not be for the strongman they them the they them ladder okay let's go over to the women let's go see this this did we already do it they've not updated it yet. I'm wondering if there's some type of protest. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Do they do that at Rogue?

Do they have, what's that called? Petitions? An appeal. They do. Remember, didn't wrap this. Yeah. And Ricky after that no rep. He got a no rep yesterday on something

that he appealed? He had a back squat. He still won the event. Why would you appeal? I think he went to the judge and said, hey, I want to appeal that no rep. And then it was like, oh, he won the event anyways. Let me ask you this. I still want to appeal. I want people to know that I was a minute

ahead of everybody. Wow. Z square. Good point. Let me ask you this. What was the range of motion on the top of the snatch? Isn't normally traditionally the bare minimum that the bar would be cut the head in half and then even furthermore, you got to get your head through? I would say just clears your ears like you to get your head through past that point. I would say it just clears your ears. Like you can see your ears on the other side. Because there were people keeping the bar in the front.

There were definitely people who were not getting it behind their ear. Wherever the judge is standing. From the angles he saw. That's a good point. I don't remember. And they were winning. Manon Anganese was not pushing her head all the way through. Who else did I see?

I saw some guy not pushing his head all the way through. Or not even getting over his head. Not even getting the bar over his head. At least from the angle that I saw. Do they tell you that? Do we know what the rules are? Do they publicize this the way quarterfinals or the games? Yeah, usually just full extension.

Full extension of the knees, the hip, and the elbows with the bar clearly locked out of overhead. I don't even think there's a head- through thing or anything it's it's not it's just the bar has to be over the the front plane or the midline of the body the bar has to be yeah well definitely it wasn't over the middle it wasn't directly over the middle how do you know just because you're keeping your head back doesn't mean like that affects no position of the ball that's subjective right right yeah well it has to be yeah look all people are doing i think a lot of people when they snatch fast at a lightweight when they lower the bar they bend the elbows and then keep the bar super close to the body so the head stays back the entire

time but that doesn't mean the bar is not in line it just means they're not punching their head through like you would if you're doing a one rep back snatch. Chase is saying it can be in the frontal plane. The frontal plane is, that's what the frontal plane is, is splitting you down the midline of your body. That's not just called the midline? Isn't the frontal plane when you come just in front of that midline? No? No, the frontal plane is the cutting down the center.

Chase, please confirm that in the comments. I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right. I want him to confirm. Alright guys, I gotta run to soccer. Okay, bye. Thank you Mr. I'm sure you're right. I want him to confirm. All right, guys. I got to run to soccer. Okay. Bye. Thank you, Mr. Finn. Thank you. Then why'd you sign up for this time slot?

Dildo. Could I defend him? Yeah, please. It was originally 930. Oh, shit. It got pushed. You did more than defend him. You made me sound like a douche.

Next time, I'll be like, hey, can I make you sound like a douche? All right, here we go. Chase says frontal plane isn't in front. You should know, Seva. Yeah, I know I should know. After taking 100 L1s. Thank you. Thank you.

Think about what I have wrong with the culture. My goodness. If I don't even know the frontal plane and the midline. Hold on. Is Patricia the new Trish? Here we go. Here we go. You'll love this. You'll love this. I thought Trish died. Here we go, baby.

She was resurrected by the Toe Spacer Rockmat. See that? Frontal plane. SMT. Oh, so I was right. So I was i was right no frontal plane bisects in half you see it's bisected in half yeah all right that's the frontal plane now someone in the comments goes sagittal plane that's the sagittal plane you're queefs right well that one's definitely but okay shouldn't know uh i don't want it uh i don't want oh i have a rock mat look down here

on my you have an xl i don't know if i have an xl but i have this one you have an xs dude your feet don't need an xl dude have you seen his feet hobbit feet his toes are so spaced it makes them two sizes bigger yeah but he wears a three kids, so it's like he has just little hamburger Burger King hands for feet. My feet are wider than they are long. So what? Look at this. You can just chill in the kitchen, cup of paper street coffee in hand,

nice fall background in your fucking affluent kitchen. This is the lifestyle of people who have the Rock Mad XL. When I see a girl wearing her boyfriend's shirt with a cup of coffee in her hand, you know what I think just happened? You know what just happened. What? That she can't wait to get out in the kitchen and stand on the Rockmat.

Right, right. How long do you think she makes it with that cup of coffee before she has to go take a big shishi? Oh, God. How long do you think she makes it with that cup of coffee before she has to go take a big she-she? God. Okay, we killed that one, Taylor. Thank you, Rockcat. Thank you, Taylor, with the door open. Go get it. Go cop it.

Buster Cherry, Taylor, steady fucking people up in the comments. Dan Guerrero, that looks like an anal plane. Dan Guerrero, that looks like an anal plane. Welcome to the 2023 Rogue Invitational official pre- and post-show for Events 4 and 5. Event 4 just wrapped up. The big news coming out of Event 4 is that Pat Vellner has reinserted himself as the badass legend that he is, crushing that event. Noah wins it for no reason but to say, hey, even though I retired, I'm still better than a lot of you.

And then over on the women's side, the reason why we're watching the Rogue Invitational has been diminished greatly by Tia's easy, can we say it? Easy victory in event four that involved handstand push-ups, snatches, and ring muscle-ups. Ten rounds. Any problem with the time caps, you guys? Are you liking the events, the way they're being run, the field layout, anything you want to –

any criticism you have for Rogue up to this point in terms of the layout, if you were there watching it, if you weren't the athletes participating? It's perfect, right? It looks great. Yeah, visually it looks great. It's pretty good. Yeah. Pretty good. What's a better event?

Yeah. Tremendous. Event? Yeah, what's a better – I thought he was talking about the layout of the last event. That's what I mean. Well, the layout is – Just event. That's what I mean. Just everything.

I'm just opening the floor for you for Katie to come on later and ass pound you. Go ahead. Say something. Okay, okay. If there was like one last last bar, like a third platform for your last round or something like that, or they didn't move it up a little bit for the last round, just the last one. I think that venue and anemones for the athletes, amenities, anemones is the best in the space. I don't disagree. They got a fucking guitar, dude.

Yeah. Noah did win. Let me be clear real quick. Kenneth DeLapp, Noah did win. But Vellner's performance was absolutely incredible. He took fourth place, and that brought him to the top of the leaderboard. It was Noah, Björgvin, Goodmanson, Hoffer, and Pat Vellner. And then in fifth place was Jason Hopper.

What if Noah wins the Rogue Invitational? We have a women's leaderboard update. Hey, if he wins... He's going indie. He's going indie. He's leaderboard update. Oh, man. Who is it? Hey, if he wins, if he wins. He's going Indy. He's going Indy. He's not going to. I think he's going to. The deadlift will put him out of contention.

Out of contention? Yep. Great question from Aaron. Aaron, does Pat's hinging, Pat Vellner's hinging affect his one rep deadlift? He used his back so much in the last event where someone like Noah kept his hips back. I think it'll be, Noah's got a terrible deadlift compared to Pat.

And I think it'll be between Pat Chandler and Roman on the deadlift and with death with Jeff creeping up and forth. So it'll be between those three for the top three in any order. I'm unsure. And then I think Jeff will be in fourth. I think Chandler wins it for sure. I man, Pat's a great deadlifter. And then I think Jeff will be in fourth. I think Chandler wins it for sure. Man, Pat's a great deadlifter. And Roman is fucking huge.

If Pat were to win the deadlift, I think he would be so amped after. I don't think so either, Sousa. I think Chandler's got it. Chandler's got that dummy strength. His hips can come up. One leg will shake. It'll come off the ground. He'll barely hold on the bar.

And somehow he'll fucking – They're going to have an aneurysm on this. We're about to see fucking carnage on this. I agree. Did they do it in the tower? No, I think it's just a straight deadlift bar. Do not pull up the leaderboard. Go ahead. But do not pull up the leaderboard until I ask a question.

Okay, go ahead. They have a bunch of platforms set out, I think, and they're just going to do it like how they did it at the ranch where they just run through all the bars. And I think they're probably going to have a bunch of platforms set out I think and they're just going to do it like how they did it at the ranch where they just run through all the bars and I think they're probably going to have like a final bar where they sort out all the dyes and all that stuff so Kotler told us how this was going to be

last yesterday it's a ladder and then after a certain amount then like say at $395 for the women after $395 then it will go to one deadlift bar. And they'll just keep going up by fives. What John Young is talking about is event number six, which I believe is a deadlift ladder.

Does that happen today? Yeah. That happens this evening. And it's an aggro bar. It's the rogue deadlift bar, which is very aggressive knurling. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. The deadlift bar has aggressive knurling. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. The Deadlift Bar has aggressive knurling. Yeah, regular Deadlift Bar with no whip on it.

It is very sharp, and it's bigger than a normal Deadlift Bar. Basically, it's just going to cut your hands up. And there's no whip on that bar either. Right. Does that make it harder to deadlift? Easy. I don't know. Stiff bar, yeah.

Makes it harder or easier? Makes it harder. Really? Should the energy transfer? Because you can't get it going. Yeah, but I've heard it makes – it's better for good deadlifters, but bad lifters it's worse. Like it's like a double whammy.

This is just what I've heard like with strong wind stuff. It might not be applicable at all for CrossFit people. Okay, I want to ask you guys a question. We have not looked at the leaderboard yet after event number four going into event number four uh there was a good we had a pretty good race going and i'm going to ask you guys a trivia question you ready in the placements in the, first through sixth, the worst finish by an athlete is 14th. What athlete is that? In sixth place? No.

I'm going to say it one more time. Between Tia, Laura, Emma, Gabriella Magawa, and Lauren Fisher, the top six athletes after four events. The worst finish out of all of them is a 14th. Laura. Oh, that means Laura's was a 14th. Which is way better than you thought. Yeah, it is.

Laura Horvat sitting in second place with a 14th place finish, and you have to go to 7th place to find someone with a worse finish than that. How many points is she behind? 60? Dude, she could do this, man. No, she's not making up 60 points and she would have to win every workout. She's going to make up 6 spots in the deadlift.

You think? Okay, yeah, let's do that. Hold on, let's do that real quick. Sorry, I know the duel's next, but let's do this. Scroll up to the bottom. Start at the bottom. Sorry, I'm going to ask this question. Who's getting between them?

Yes, yes, exactly. That's the question. Okay. Ready? That's one right there. So, Karen, I'm going to write them down. Let me ask the question. You answer yes or no.

Karen Freova, does she get in between them? 422 deadlift. Okay, that's a yes. Go. Shelby Neal. No. No. Okay, that's a yes. Go. Shelby Neal. No. No. Kyra Milligan.

No. No. Danny Spiegel. Yes. Yes. Gets between them? Yes. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, dude. She's strong as an ox. But I would think Danny would be better than Laura. Well, okay. We will. And that's not between them. When we get to Laura, we'll talk about that.

But just people with better deadlifts than what Tia Toomey will do. Paige Powers. No. Elena. No. Miss Rolfe. No. Miss Semenza. No. No. Miss Brandon. No. Gazan. Yes.

What? Gazan can deadlift 420. Miss Flores. No. No. No. Angones. I don't think so.

I'm putting her down. This will be a wild card. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I'll leave her off. Kohlenbrender. For sure.

Yeah. Lowen. No. No. Fisher. No. Magawa No

Wow Kerry No Lawson Bingo There we are So that's four That's 20 points

And we need Go up to the top And we need 60 I thought it was 10 points down No no no It's 5 points per spot Hmm So it's 20 points down. No, no, no. It's five points per spot. Hmm.

So it's 20 points. Let's take an emergency break. We have an all-caps posting. I apologize. Everyone hold on to your seat. Andrew Hiller, for the love of God, the deadlift bar is easier because it is longer and slightly thinner. If you know how to deadlift, it will add 5% to your lift because you can take the slack out of the brawl. But this confirms what John Young said because Chase said the deadlift bar was harder,

and we know Chase sucks at deadlifting. We also know Hiller is a sick deadlifter. So for the good deadlifter, it makes it easier. For the worst deadlifter, it makes it harder. Booyah, Kasha. Interesting. Okay, so we're just on a roll right here. Booyah, Kasha. Interesting. Okay, so we're just on a roll right here. We just showed that Tia's unstoppable.

And let me see. Well, how about this? What if her deadlift's gone down significantly because of the baby? And see, and that's, and like, and like, and so say she pulls 385. Like, her best pull is 415. Like, if say she pulls 385 or her uterus doesn't fall out. Oh, my God. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. That's worse than anything I've ever said on the show.

And if she pulls 385, there can be a couple girls that squeeze in between the four we already said. Yeah. That's true. That's what I'm saying. She also had points. She also had back issues leading into the games. The last year she competed because she talked about having a back injury a couple of weeks out and almost not being able to compete.

That's 30 points. So then Laura would be 30 points behind her with three other events. She just needs to beat her in those events. You beat her in those events, there's a shot. I'm just saying there's a shot. Sheena Barnes with the worst profile picture ever of a fish tank. Tia had 415 in 2018 and 2020. That was just in the total.

Dustin, if you want to know if Tia will win, just flip a coin per the Lone Ranger. Dude, how many times did you hear uh adrian conway say building in uh the first and second heat of women commentating on that event sorry uh adrian if you're watching love you amazing commentary some amazing things you're saying but you have to find a one single different verb to use or i I also, oh, I also accumulate. I also feel like there's a bit of it's too much a technique talk. Like I'm taking an L1 when I'm watching. It's like like if I was watching a football game, I don't need to be told how to throw

a football. Oh, he's got a right flick of the wrist, putting the right spiral on the ball. Yeah, I like it to a degree it's like you want to you want that technique talk yeah also really want to articulate it to someone who can who can digest it instead of it being or get him in there with if he's gonna do that much of that get him in there with someone else who's gonna talk a little more shit like a little more josh bridgie right uh eaton beaver uh uh tia never had back issues She knew she was pregnant but didn't want to get judged

For competing while pregnant Come on you guys I don't know if that's true Hey someone asked who deadlifts more Mine or John Young's I suspect I can't deadlift half of what John Young can deadlift What's your deadlift John? What's your best?

What is your deadlift? I don't know My best ever is 315 But I don't think I could do – and probably like four months ago, I did 295. What do you think you could do? The most I've ever done was 515, and that was like three years ago. Oh, wow, dude. I don't max that stuff like at all.

Maybe five. My coach said 550. He thinks I could do 550. that stuff like at all. Maybe, maybe five. I coach, my coach said five 50. He thinks I could do five 50, but that's definitely what you can do. If your coach thinks you're clean, double mine, you're clean.

Can you still clean? Can you cream clean three 90? He can cream three 90. Probably, probably not right now. I think I can hit three 75 any time of day, but I mean, I need to be stronger to be able to do the top end stuff oh that's what i was thinking when we went past lauren fisher i

thought she was an awesome deadlifter lauren fisher by the way she's having an amazing week great yeah we haven't given her enough credit for the spot that she's sitting in plus to what she's had to like deal with in the recent so it's amazing for her lauren fisher's a great deadlifter how big would it be if laura does end up on top after a huge setback oh laura horvat you got you you can't use laura twice in the same 499 that's two separate 499s please i think this is gonna be the inverse of the last event i think it's gonna be one of tia's worst events and i think it'll potentially be one of laura's best oh you've swayed on it? No, I always thought that. And anyone in the comments saying Tia never had back issues

is full of shit because if you watch the COVID 2020 games and any of the footage or content they put out around that, she was wearing the Venom heat vibrating pad around her midsection before every fucking workout. Hey, Ken Walters wants to tell you his bench every opportunity, Ken. Everyone's talking about every movement except bench, and Ken's like, hey, I bench 315. That's hilarious.

Hey, I can juggle five balls. I mean, I know we're not talking about that, but I can't. Just so you know, I'm a five-ball juggler. I bet Ken Walters has a really nice palm callus. It puts me in an elite class, that five-ball juggling. Taylor, are you a good deadlifter are you better deadlift and squat i'm a much better deadlifter now than i was that i don't have a freaking torn hamstring i had we we had a class workout that was um some deadlift singles and i hit 500 like a couple

weeks ago and it was not very hard so i think i have probably quite a bit more than that damn which was cool hey i want to show you guys something really quick that's going on over at the Rogue Invitational right now. Oh, no, I screwed that up. Let me see if I can pull it up. Hey, I got like 10 minutes, guys. Okay. We're done anyway. I completely lost control of the show.

This is Rogue. This is going on Rogue Live right now. Look how cool this setup is. Look how close the crowd can get. Dude, it's dope. That's awesome. Dude, this is crazy. Are they doing this because of the rain? No, this

is where they've been setting up most of the strongman events. Like this one and then that Texas whatever. So that dude just clean and jerk 360 with the log Is that more than Danny did last year Yes Hey you know what's crazy is when someone in the comments is like

One of the strong men could come down here Right now and do this faster than the crossfitter Yeah but we don't have 20 minutes for him to walk down the stairs and get on the field. He has to be brought down on a cart so he doesn't fucking break his metabolic fucking training for the day. Dude, you know what the strongmen are? They're like the fucking orca whales at Disney at Waterworld. Fucking nuts. Hey, and people can – There's a second floor too

Here's a wide shot There's a second floor too Where people are up there Where you can like Eat and drink and shit Dude let's pick Let's Are we gonna pick for the duel?

Okay yeah let's pick the winners for the duel Great thank you Yeah keep me back on track Winners for the duel Let's pick the men I'm going with I'm gonna go first I'm gonna go with I'm going with I'm going to go first I'm going to go with

I'm going with Ricky Dude we got to know what the middle movement is Did they just take a rope climb out And now it's just over under logs And a bag load Ricky Vellner in the final I'm going to take Vellner That's what I was going to take too

Vellner You guys stole mine. Nah, fuck that. You didn't steal mine. Sheesh. Gosh, I don't know, dude. Take Chandler. Take Chandler.

Dude, I'll go back to back Chandler picks. No, I fuck with Chandler. I actually really like him. He's an awesome dude. No, I mean for this event. No, I love him for this event. Eat one. You're picking him? Are you crazy He's an awesome dude. No, I mean for this event. No, I love him for this event. Eat one. You're picking him?

Are you crazy? Shut up. If he looks like I'm done, I think he, I mean. Hey, let me tell you who would be better picked than him. You want it? Lazar Jukic would be better. Not quite Jukic enough. Bailey Martin.

Garrett Clark would be better. Dude, I'm going to have a hemorrhoid if you say that again. His uterus is going to fall out of his head. Garrett Clark, Garrett Clark, Garrett Clark. Oh, my God. Matt, do they drug test all during the Rogue Invitational or just the CrossFitters? No, they hand out drugs to the other guys.

They hand them out. Yeah. David Weed chooses Jeffrey Adler. Okay. Who do you got, Savon? I'm going with Ricky and Velner in the final. Travis might be a really good pick. JR's pick is Travis.

Yeah, JR Howell with Travis. He's good with the sandbags. He's good with the sack bag, the S bag. That's what that is. All right. For the women? Women's. We already know who won.

I'm going to say Danielle Brandon. What? I'll take a clock. Yep. That's who I'm rocking with. Okay. All right. I'll take Kazan.

Fuck now, dude. I got Laura. Let's go. Laura. I'm at Tia and Danielle in the final. Yeah, Laura. Here's go. Laura. I'm at Tia and Danielle in the final. Yeah, Laura. Here's the thing. I think Danielle might be the best competitor out there, but too many things have to fall into place.

No, Tia's the best competitor. What are you talking about? Okay, fine, fine. You're right. That was stupid. You're right. You know when you start typing something on the internet and it's like you just know you already lost? Not that the person's crazy, but you already lost.

You wish you'd have backed down. You're in too deep. Dude, called me brian shaw's penis that's what i look like i'm gonna go kill myself uh great question renee um oh magnus amgren. I just realized that Taylor looks like Brian Shaw's man parts. His front tail. Looks like his front tail. Rene K. with the first, keeping us back on track. What are the weight of the bags? By the way, I did see the legends doing it.

And whatever the weight is, I saw Rebecca Voigt touching going the bag. Oh. Is it going to be the same weight? You have to put it in the right guys i gotta hop off i'll see you after the event oh well they went okay bye later john she was she was touching the bag taking it to shoulder touching to the ground taking shoulder maybe she didn't have to put it in the bin and then amico salo was flipping it over his shoulder it's i'm pretty sure for the individuals it's 150 for the women 200 for the men okay and you think they have to pick it

up and stick it in something put it in that bucket that tips over when you load it you know what i'm talking about kind of kind of i vaguely remember seeing it that's what we think uh colin leach i think bill and katie got a lot of negative feedback from the iron bull pool thing really from who just because one guy tore his achilles it the the it looked cool yeah it looked sick it looked awesome fuck that guy's ankle it happens it happens in sport every athlete gets fucking hurt coming from an athlete that's gotten hurt when you push the body to its maximum potential there's a chance for orthopedic calamity. These guys are professionals. Orthopedic calamity. All right.

We will be back. So the duel is next. It's going to be fun. That's the one where maybe you crack a drink or something. It's actually starting to look like a sport. They start off. Do we know if there's a buy? We don't know if there's a buy. We don't know if there's a buy.

We also don't particularly know the movements that are in it yet. Okay. We know there's over-under logs and some sort of sandbag. There was initially a rope. We're hearing that there's no longer a rope. We don't know if that's due to rain or athletes complaining about their hands. Hey, you know how you can tell the difference between the strongman fans And the crossfit fans I wonder if you can tell the difference between the strongman

Girlfriends and the crossfitters girlfriends No, they're all petite What would your guess be? I don't want to say I don't want to offend anybody Dude, come on, let's hear your stereotype It's what you're infamous for, dude You do it best, come on

I want to hear it all right guys thank you uh taylor self self self-made training program caleb beaver is at the event please don't bother him he's working uh matt souza thank you for coming on savvy thank you and we will see you guys when do we come on next 4 30 pacific standard time that is a pretty big yeah yeah okay oh and let me tell you when they're when do we know when their event's actually going live schedule here we go oh it looks like 1 1 p.m tentatively is our next uh show oh 1 p.m our time our time so in two hours so yeah so individual event five the duel should be going on at 12 10 an hour and seven minutes from now okay all right talk to you guys soon thanks sweet bye