The Sevan Podcast - Rich Froning - Advice from the CHAMP

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

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Visit amex.ca slash businessplatform. Bam, we're live. Welcome. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Second show of the day, crazy. I got the Wheel of Watt event live on my other monitor. I've been texting with Tim Murray. Hopefully we can get him on

the show shortly. I'll wait till Rich comes on and then we'll call Tim and have Tim on for a few minutes. Rich has been in Tim's position many times. I heard it's 132 degrees in San Antonio. The athletes are competing outside. 27 athletes have already suffered with heatstroke. No, I'm making all that up. I haven't heard of any heatstroke. Just joking, Mr. Ogarr. I did speak to Tim. He said they finished the event. He said it was pretty impressive. He didn't actually say that. I don't want to get in trouble For putting words in his mouth like like like, you know, like he gave his blessing for me to say that

Tim Murray said that a wheel what it's already put 276 athletes just to get through the first event Kudos to Kevin and the team over at wheel wad for doing that We'll have Tim on I He said he goes on again at 3 p.m. Central Time. So I guess that's 1 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. So hopefully we send him a link. Jeffrey Birchfield at 72 degrees. I don't know how.

Thank you. Cool shirt. Thank you, Judy. 92 degrees, according to Jeffrey Birchfield in San Antonio. I don't know how anyone after watching this show and watching Tim on the show and all the fun Mikey swoosh drama and then we had Blaze on that and then you got Bill Grundler on the mic with some Australian dude. And oh look, Kevin's front row. God, Kevin's everywhere. Every time I turn the show on, I see him watching the event.

Kevin Ogarr. OG status. I also heard Boz is there. But that short stature dwarf division is going to be the one to follow in my mind. I mean, there's a lot of shit to follow. But pick one and follow it. I think that's going to be is the one to follow in my mind. I mean there's a lot of shit to follow. But pick one and follow it. I think that's going to be the one. No I didn't do 100 pull ups. I didn't do the workout Mark gave me to. You know what I did? I did. I shouldn't even tell you guys. I don't know why I don't know why I'm so shy to share of distracted by the event. Oh, look at this, look at this.

This guy, what is going on here? Look at this. So when that guy went and picked up the sandbag, he was hopping and now he's limping back. I wonder if that left foot is fake. Like a pair of fake titties, he got a fake foot on there. Look at, and he hops back. This must be like the one leg division.

Damn. Someone hates that guy. Make a one legged guy do shuttle runs. Ooh. I hate that guy. Make a one-legged guy do shuttle runs. Ooh. Earlier we saw some, we saw when the dwarves were running, we saw Blaze Foster who's on this podcast dive across the finish line. It's pretty impressive. It was on concrete.

I had a little, I had a scoop of Enno Explode. I had some citrulline. I had some I'll put a link by the way I'll put links periodically to wheel wad if anyone wants to open up a second window and watch it Then I had a pint of water with some NO explode in it and Then I I put some more creatine and citrulline in another pint of water and then I set the and then I rode 120 calories in 10 minutes on the assault bike and then I set the assault time the rogue timer on 50 rounds okay 50 rounds 50 seconds around and I did 15 leg lifts every 50 seconds then I did 10 snatches with with 35 pound dumbbell in my right hand. And

then I did 10 pushups. And then I started with the leg lifts and then I did the snatches and then I did the left hand. So the only thing that was there were four there were three movements, but I only did the right hand or left hand with the snatches each round. And and I did that for 15 minutes and it hurt I wasn't hurt like is in Metabolically hurt, but I was tired like I wanted to quit at the 25th round leg lifts, you know you lay on you something that like Something that I Don't know a

Jazzercise class would do I hold a D I lay down I hold a D ball behind my head, like a 40 pound D ball, and then I just lift my legs and lower them 15 times. Yeah, hang on the ground. Yeah, I do my own programming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't use the ab map.

I don't ever use the ab map. Why not follow Sentinel trainer mayhem? The truth is I shouldn't tell you. I'm not going to tell you the truth. I have to be careful. I have to be careful. I used to hurt myself a lot. I used to hurt myself a lot. So, buddy called me just now. I don't know if you guys, a few days ago, like three or four days ago, I was going to tell this story about, I don't even

know if I should tell this story. A few days I was gonna tell a story about one of my friends and I stopped and My friend all this is my friend who always tells me like the first thing he Every at every chance he get this buddy tells me hey, I don't listen to your show None of my friends listen to my show Dave doesn't listen to the show. None of my friends listen to the show only one of my friends that listens to my show is my wife and of the show. Only one of my friends that listens to my show is my wife. And I'm pussy, David Weed pussy.

Yeah, I know. It is kind of a pussy move. The thing is, is I've had problems with my in-laws and I've lost, I've done some damage to some friendships because of stories I tell. Because when I tell the stories, they think that I care, but I don't care. It's like the other night when I went crazy someone called me a homophobe. Because I was just going fucking nuts about the comments and it's just like holy shit it's just a bit. Yeah I lost my mom, my mom doesn't listen to the show anymore.

Anyway, a buddy of mine called me today who doesn't listen to my show ever and said, hey, you know I never listen to your show. I'm like, yeah, he goes, but I'm traveling and I want to download some, I downloaded some episodes and I was listening and you were going to tell a story about my family. But you didn't. But somehow whatever I said revealed that it was his family. So he wanted to know the story. And I didn't tell him the story. I don't think I should tell him the story.

He's like, just tell me what it was. I'm like, no, I didn't say it on the air and I'm not going to tell you. And he really wanted me to tell him. And then when he first called and asked me about the story, I'm like, to tell you and he really wanted me to tell him and Then when he first had called and asked me about the story he's like I'm like hey I don't know what you're talking about because there were a couple stories I told and I couldn't like quite get it figure out which one he was talking about I was like really into my brain fuck What did I say what I say what I say and I couldn't I couldn't remember and then just now he texts me and he said

Hey, good job Pretending like you didn't know what story and I was kind of pretending but kind of not Pretending you know what I mean? Anyway I don't want to say that my show I don't want to say my show the other night was a fake But it was a bit I was a I was being a furry. You know what I mean? Like, I was having fun. All day I was like rehearsing it. I don't normally... No, I'm not apologizing. I'm not apologizing. I'm just sensitive to the fact or insecure.

I don't want to lose friends. Oh, this is, this is fair. A seven you offend me each time you speak. So I tune in every day to verify my being offended. That's solid. Part of your identity is being offended by me. That I understand that that's cool. But, um, I, the other night when I was going off and I was like, remember, remember the show I did where I pretended to be Dawnfall?

I mean, I don't want to say it was fake because I was like really pretending. But like the other day when, when those, when I was just going crazy on all those people who are going after Dave, like I don't really care. I relative, like here's the three relativities. I don't really care if you want like on the I care the least about the people who want Dave fired or who want to keep Dave like it's just a it's a fun place to fight and then For me because I have such a high emotional IQ then in the middle

Like what I care about even more than that is people who like want censorship, right so like In my group and in this group of listeners most of us just don't want censorship Like even if we think those people are being complete fucking idiots We don't want censorship, but we know that group that wants Dave fired probably the majority of them also let lie in censorship, right? They're just like fucking they're the low emotional IQ bunch. They don't see that being able to speak freely transcends all the other issues we have. Like the abortion thing is a non-killing babies is a non-issue if we lose freedom of speech. We have to have freedom of speech. Baby killing is nothing

compared to freedom of speech. I know is nothing compared to freedom of speech. I know it's crazy to say that, but it's just the way it is. Rich, what's up, dude? We don't have to have freedom of speech. Aren't they trying to take that away? We don't have to. We don't have to. We get to.

Well, some places do, I guess. Rich, would you know if a girl was hitting on you? According to my wife, I am oblivious to it. Rich, would you know if a girl was hitting on you? According to my wife, I am oblivious to it. Don't you love that? Guilty. You're like, yes, honey, guilty. Yes, sure. Yes, whatever you say, honey. That's freedom of speech.

My wife goes, Avi's been hurt on and off for like eight months. And the other day she's like, hey, do you ever think he's faking it? And I go, I hope he's faking it. And she goes, why? And she goes, obvious been hurt on and off for like eight months. And the other day she's like, Hey, do you ever think he's faking it? And I go, I hope he's faking it. And she goes, why? I'm like, anything's better than being hurt. I don't know. You know what I mean? And she's like, I didn't think of it like that. I'm like, yeah, I hope he's fucking faking it every time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I

don't want my kid hurt. I hate being hurt. It's like it just ruins everything. And it hurts your heart too, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. You just like everything's miserable. You know, like if you can't for me, you know, if I can't move or do what I want to do, like the more and more the older and older I get, freedom is what it's all about. Right. Like freedom in health, freedom in, you know, whatever you're doing in life and being injured or hurt takes away a big piece of that freedom to me. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. And you know what's interesting about that? You probably relate to this more with my kids than I do.

But when they're hurt, I also feel like it's part of their identity that's like damaged. Like they don't know what to do. Like that's how they express who they are. It's their dance. It's their art, you know? Yeah, Lake has had this kind of like sprained ankle thing. We finally went and you know, she's limping around on it. You're like, ah, rub some dirt in it, you know? Like, and eventually we, you know, we were like, all right. So she was in a boot for about two weeks. And then we got an MRI, came back.

It was just some like bone bruising and you know, so a little bit of tendonitis. And so we take that boot off and immediately she's like, all right, I'm playing softball tonight. And I'm like, that's not how this works kid. Like you got, you know, like part of me was like, hell yeah. And part of me is like, oh man, I just don't, you know,

you've got to do as I say, not as I do, right? And so- That's exactly what I was thinking what you have to do, right? Yeah. Cause party's like, yeah, I'd be in there too. Exactly. You know, and then like Trice, he like, Trice, we played flag football this year,

and they just started a 7U, which is a horrible idea, full pad tackle football. And I would love nothing more than to watch him play football, but I just couldn't do it. All this stuff we're seeing about brain stuff, and you're like, oh, man, I can't do that to him yet. So we didn't do it, him yet, you know, so we didn't, we didn't do it, but he was wanting to play so bad.

So, you know, there's just so many things that like as a kid, it's hard. It's hard to explain like, Hey, I promise I have your best interest. But as a kid, you're like, no, they just don't want me to do that. Right. And it's so hard because, you know, you want them to like, do the things they want to do, especially if they're like Good things, you know being physically active and playing sports and learning how to compete It's just hard When you're a kid, there's no when you're a kid too. There's like no immediate consequences

It was like all my friends expect like in college All these kids are doing drugs and drinking and they wake up in the morning and they're fine, right? Cuz they don't they don't see the they don't see the consequences it's not yeah and you're like oh shit but everyone knows that one friend who's just off a little bit and then later on you find out they were addicted to meth for two years and you're like ah I got it sense yeah you never quite snapped back what's a what's the wife say about football you guys have any contention over that? No, I think when they get old enough, you know, like when he gets, you know,

late middle school, maybe early high school, we'll start doing it. And, you know, I think playing flag football and learning a little bit of the game and trying to keep the rules relatively close. It is two completely different games if you get to like, you know, depending on how many players and what rules, but they do a pretty good job around here of like, Hey, let's try to keep the rules relatively the same. Um, so they can learn, you know, cause that's what it's all about at this age is like learning the sport and you know, uh, being able to transition to that whenever they get to

that point. Hey, what about, um, you're the guy, you're the athlete, you played all the sports, you're the guy known in your town for the physicality. And now you're being a pussy by not letting your son play football. I know, right? Yeah. No, no. Go ahead, put him out there, Rich. Let him get brain damage.

Quit being a sissy. The hard part for me too is like coaching youth sports because I am so competitive. And we're like, it's just not been good for me beca you know, I've been diali not getting too emotiona the kids. But then as soo it like at night, I'm jus drained because we've bee

to seven in a coach's pic kids are a year younger t because there's a big age it's it's I think nine you and some of our kids are like six and so a lot of Trice's friends are young and so we're just getting our brains beat in every game and and not you know not getting too caught up in it in the kids and then being at home and just like in it in the kids and then being at home and just like. I wanted the one in my life.

I can't believe you can drive around and do this show in my town. You could never do that. Our cell reception is so bad. Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's pretty good right now. I was trying to get I'm almost to the house that I'll have good internet, but you caught me in in transit. Yeah, someone just said amazing cell service and then all of a sudden you broke up. Someone said, hey, can you turn Rich up? You know what I did? I can't turn Rich up. He's plenty loud for me, but I'll turn myself down a little bit and then hopefully then you guys could turn all your shit

up. Yeah, and it balances out. Everybody gets mad at us on the podcast too, and you're like, it sounds perfect on our end. So I don't know, maybe it's, is what it is. Is the PFAA cool with him driving and talking on FaceTime at the same time? As long as I don't have grips on. Right.

As long as the steering, don't move your steering wheel while you're driving. Oh, sorry. Hey, do you know that? Do you know that rule that you're not supposed to adjust the height of your steering wheel while you're driving? Have you ever heard that? Really? No, I've never heard that. Yeah. Huh. Every time I do it, I feel like I'm being reckless. You are. You're man, you're such a like rebel. You see my shirt? I love that shirt. That's a good shirt. Do you know what year it's from? That'd be 2012, 13?

The year before Froning was on the back and it was the light blue one. Okay, so that would have been and they had the kind of different, is that 13 or 14? I don't know if there's anything, oh and there's nothing on the back of this one. They skimped on that one, huh? That was a, yeah, they skimped on you. Hey, look at this. An extra 50 cents.

I don't know if you can see this, but this is the James Sprague shirt from the games. That's sick, isn't it? It's nice. That's good. And then for him to win and have this shirt. He had that previous to the games. I'm not a stick, isn't it? It's That's a good one. Do you know him? He's passed through and I've met him once. Super positive guy, happy guy, man.

He's full of energy, that's for sure. I've told this story before, but when you first started, I remember being on the phone with you one time and I remember saying to you, hey dude, you should tone down the religious stuff. I don't know if you remember this conversation we had, because you're going to alienate people. And now here we are, I don't know, 15 years later. 15 years later.

And obviously it worked for you. But I'm so proud of James that he's using his influence to... For good. For his values, whether you think it's good or bad. I mean, obviously you think it's good, but whether it's good or bad, I'm so impressed that it's he staying to his values. Stick with who you are, you know? Like that's...

It's so hard nowadays that, you know, everything is so divisive, you know, when it shouldn't be. And especially with values and people being so easily offended, it's tough. Someone just pointed out 2013, it even says on the sleeve. There you go go 2013. Hey rich crossfit games athletes You know like Baseball players when they're done at least when I was a kid like you could go to the hotel and you could get autographs from them like at the bar, right? Yeah, and

and Then and I'm guessing it was the same with all the sports I just remember I had friends we would go to baseball games and then go to the hotel, the athletes hotel and they'd be there and there'd be just tons of chicks around too. Like tons of chicks. The CrossFit doesn't really have that scene. The athletes don't really do too much shit to get themselves, I guess. I feel like maybe outside of training, training is pretty intimate, but they don't do stuff

to get themselves in precarious situations I mean, obviously if you're dude and you're drinking more weird shit's gonna happen with women than if you're sober But that was never like a kind of was that that was never like a thing, right? Like I don't know any stories of like I mean, there's you know You hear the occasional rumor of this person slept with that person, but you don't see like, you know Jeffrey Adler is not out just slaying hoes after the games. Yeah, I think it's- You, Fraser and Adler have been so boring in Medeiros.

There's no juicy stories. No juice to squeeze. Yeah, I mean, all of us were in relationships at that point. I don't know if Sprague is, but, you know, I think. Yeah. He just got married, dude. I think he was like, he may have even been a virgin before he got married. He may have even talked about how he didn't have sex before he was married. That's awesome.

Yeah, crazy. How are you going to do that with, how do you do that? What are you going to that with um, how do you do that? What are you gonna do with your kids? My uh, my sister's, you know, 20 years sober and a, you know, the hardcore Christian and I don't know how she is now, but I remember when her kids were little she was like, hey, I'm like, she was gonna not let them masturbate or something. I'm like, hey dude, you better be careful. You can't control that. I mean, here's the deal. Like you're gonna cause the... I think of a male's sex drive is like this, Rich. It's a balloon.

And if you try to squeeze on one end and retard it, it's gonna blow up kind of weird on the other end. So you better be careful. Something's gonna happen. Yeah, you better be careful what you do to try to steer that thing, because you don't want to make it weird. It's already a handful, but you don't want to make it weird. It's already a handful, but you don't want to make it weird. Yeah, no, that's the hard part nowadays is they have so much access to stuff too. Like I can't imagine having the access

that our kids are going to have to literally anything. I don't think I would have handled it well. So I think, you know, like the hard part for me growing up was like, you just, you gotta be able to talk about that and open with the kids and you know, this is what we believe and this is, you know, but you're gonna screw up and that's, so we always tell and that's what I always tell people about.

Like that's why we believe in Jesus is, you know, we're gonna try to live away and you're gonna screw it up. And that's the need, right? Is that's the need for Jesus. For that support. The support but also what you know, it's just why he came, why he died. That's why we believe that. Bryson Del Monte, masturbation good pornography bad. that's why he died. That's why I don't want it to, for practical reasons, I don't want it to interfere with their own imagination. I do not want my kids to see pornography.

That's why like... Yeah, that's the hard part. Yeah, that's a dark road to go down. A lot of people struggle with that for sure. One of the kids I know was going to go away to a skate camp My one of the kids was going to go, one of the kids I know was going to go away to a skate camp. One of the best skaters in the area. All the best skaters were going to be there.

Tony Hawk, you know, all these amazing skaters. And the mom didn't let the kid go. It was a one week skate camp because the kids there would have access to their cell phones between one and nine p.m. And like, I think if what do you think? I think if you leave 10, if you send your boy to sleep away camp and one of the kids there has a cell phone,

your kid's gonna see pornography no matter what. Don't you think or no? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, there's so many blocks, I guess now these days. I don't really know, like. What are you gonna do about phones? What are you gonna do about, do you have a plan

for when you're gonna give your kid a phone? We say with Lakeland 14 is gonna be her, when she can have a phone. And so she's very, you know, like she's already got friends that have phones, which blows my mind. Like I can't imagine them having that much access to things at that age where you're, you know, trying to process and trying to figure things out.

It's just a weird, man, it's just a crazy world to think about now, like compared to what we grew up in. What about your son? I was thinking about trying to hold him until they were 16 before they got a phone. I mean, I love that idea. You know, like the hard part about it is, you know, if they are playing sports, if, you know, travel or any of those things that they're doing, you know, you want to be able to talk to them or, you know, like there, I guess there are these options now with, let me get to the internet, if I'm breaking up on you, options. Because you can't unsee that stuff. Like once you see it, you can't unsee it. And it's not like I want to protect them from it. I just want to protect their brain from it until... Until they can process it. Yeah, totally. You know, like hell, I mean, until, you know, you could go, everybody's a little bit different too and at

what age they can start even thinking about those things hell I'm 38 years old or 37 years old and it's still you know I'm still immature so I don't know what that right age is and I would you know call me old-fashioned but I want to not protect my kids as long as I can but at least like call me old-fashioned, but I want to not protect my kids as long as I can, but at least like, at least, yeah, hell, you'd want to protect them. Who cares if it sounds old-fashioned? We want to protect our kids, right? And so I saw something the other day, I forgot where it was at, but it was like, as soon as you give your kid a phone, you're basically saying, hey, your childhood's over, right? Yeah.

You've given the entire world access to them and them access to the entire world. Exactly. And I mean, you go into an even deeper thing. Are humans supposed to have that much connectivity and that much access to everything? Are we made like that? I don't know.

So it's tough. Hey, and I have no regrets. When I and I have no regrets like I'm when I think in my own life I'm glad I didn't see porn until I don't know till I was 40 or however old till I never saw porn until that There was an internet like I never had I never had VHS porn and like I had one playboy magazine like that I took from like a cabin that when I was like 13 yeah and um but other than that like for me like walking by the counter and seeing the Macy's bra catalog was enough. Anytime mom got that uh it was like some random JCPenney like bathing suit out yeah yeah and I would just like walk by the

counter like an extra time or two and look at it. Let's see what's in there. And none of my and, and now that you're older, I guess that's going back to the part you're saying. It's about protecting them. It's like, I don't have any, it's like I used to smoke cigarettes and I have all sorts of regrets about that, but I have no regrets about like waiting till I was 40 to see porn. No, absolutely not. Yeah. I mean, there's only nothing good can come from it. Let's be like, yeah. Right.

Um, you did your second, uh, bike race. It's in my second bike race. Bike race. Yeah. It was hard, really hard. Um, I don't, yeah, we haven't podcasted about that or anything. Um, yeah, it was, it was one of those that I needed to make sure the year before wasn't a fluke, right? You know, being sub-nine. This year, I probably did a whole lot more crossfit

to prepare. Last year, I did a lot of upper body, kind of like they were cross-fit-ish type metcons, but a lot of like core and upper body. This year I was like, all right, still gonna squat, still gonna like do heavy things. Road did a couple less long rides. It was just so hot here that a couple of times I got a little overheated in the humidity and stuff. So man, but it was tough this year. I was 12 minutes slower, still sub nine.

There were a couple of different factors that I think led to that you know, I was in a faster heat group, but there was like, there was a headwind on the way out on the way back. I got stuck between kind of two drafting groups, a group I couldn't catch up with and a group that was a little bit slower. And then mentally, I was just I was checked out every 20 20 miles every aid station, I was, you know, trying to come up with some type of excuse to quit.

And then coming down from, what would it be? So basically I think about it every 20 miles, you have an aid station. So from 60 to 80, I would have a bottle of a hundred grams of carbs and a bottle of 50 grams of carbs. And I was coming down from the 68 station, probably two or three miles in, and I hear something hit the ground.

I look over and it's my 100 grams of carbs bottle rolling down the trail. And so I'm like, well, I'm going 35 miles an hour. I can't really go back and get it. So I just kept rolling and tried to make up for it with some food, but it was just so hard to eat at that point in the race. You're probably five, six hours in. And then so I get to the 88 station, I'm riding and about to do the big Columbine climb, or

not Columbine, Powerline climb, and it's terrible. And I reached down for that 100 grams of carbs and guess what? It's gone again. So I missed out on 200 grams of carbs. So it was a good mental like, hey, don't be a bitch and just keep going. But it got dark there for a little while. So I was, when I started math in it and I'm like, oh man, I can, you know, I'm thinking of my excuses of like, oh, you know, I had some bike trouble and, you know, on my Instagram post and have that, you know, back of pocket, you know, why I didn't

meet my goal. Yeah, you know, I'm playing those games. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, Oh, you can still make this, but you got to go. And so, you know, I was happy that I, you know, got to a point where I could, I hammered the last probably 20 miles to make up for it and got in there. So sub nine. So that was that was the main goal, you know, slower, but still, I think mentally, it was a good like, hey, don't be a bitch. So sub nine. So that was that was the main goal, you know, slower, but still, I think mentally, it was a good like, hey, don't be a bitch. So it was good.

Hey, what's the total consumption of carbs on? What was the total planned consumption of carbs on that trip? Yeah, so, you know, I would usually I would take a pack of, you know, I tried to 100 grams of carbs an hour is what I'm trying to do. So I would either have food, you know, gels, those types of things. And then I would have kind of in reserve this hundred grams of carbs in a bottle and 50 grams of carbs in a bottle. And I, you know, because at some point you just like, I don't want to eat anything.

You try to chew anything in your stomach just starts like rejecting it. But you always want to take a drink for the most part. And so I just kind of always fell back on that plan of taking in the liquid carbs. And you know, it was not when they were gone, you start start playing, you know, I'm like, Oh crap, I got to eat this, I got to try to take this and it just was not good. So so you were down. You only consumed 700 as opposed to what was ideal 900. I probably, yeah, I probably got closer to probably 850, I think, when I looked at like food, but I was still down some. And it just, you know, and the game changer I learned this year was taking Gas-X at the same time too, because the year before it was like 24 hours, my guts just felt

like I had a cinder block in there from taking in all that junk and so this year I felt way better it took me about 30 minutes where I was miserable and then I was fine. Mason Mitchell who's a crossfitter and a pretty hardcore biker he says a hundred is too low for your weight at that effort. Yeah that's probably right you know if I was to get into it more than I would you know probably I always joke you know there's a was to get into it more than I would, you know, probably, I always joke, you know, there's a couple of guys that I ride with, uh, Dave Curtis and then Michael Arthur, and they're super like regimented on their, uh, you know, this is what I got to do every 15 seconds. I have an update

or 30 seconds or whatever, many minutes I got to take a drink or I need to eat this. And I'm just like, you know, F it, let's do it. You know, like that Yellowstone meme where he's like, what's the plan? He's like, eff it, you know, we're just gonna do it. So yeah, I'm just, it's probably not optimal. But you don't you don't pee for the entire nine hours. I peed twice. I Yeah, I kind of like pulled off onto a side and just whipped it out and went I could I tried to do the like, I saw a couple people like riding and pissing. But I just you

know, felt like I don't need that embarrassment, you know? So I, do they actually pull their junk out or they just, some people just piss on themselves and I'm afraid of getting chafed, you know? Oh, like you just stand and kind of just pee. Just let it go. Right. Yeah. But I'll take the 30 seconds to hop off real quick. I just like unclip one side, stand there and piss. My penis does something weird when I pee when I have clothes on.

I wish I could see, I don't know what it is, but it's really, it's really uncomfortable pee. Like I don't, I can't pee in pool. I mean, I could pee in pools, but I'd have to reach into my hand, hold my piece. It almost feels like when I'm peeing in a pool, like my penis is getting tied in a knot. I don't know. I don't know what you ever feel that uncomfortable when you paint. No, okay. I get the, where the force, like it's just, we call it sport dick, but I get that one where the skin like slides a little bit, you know, and you're just, it doesn't feel good. It feels weird. Yeah. Oh, maybe that's what it is. Sport dick. Yeah. That's funny. I've never,

Hobart. That's a, sorry. That's still that one from Hobart. So don't, that's a, that's his phrase. Yeah. I've never, I've never talked about that. I've never heard that. Sorry. That's still that one from Hobart. So don't that's a that's his phrase Yeah, I've never I've never talked about that. I've never shared that experience with anyone I should ask my boys if I should ask my boys now that I have three other boys in my life I could ask him anything. Hey when you pay does it feel like your dicks like hurting or something? It feels weird This doesn't like it. Don't like it. Yeah, I'm surprised. No one it's called Seve that's called STI. I don't know what that is oh i cannot uh swim so like fitness swim yeah and p at the same time it's for me it's not physically possible like in a lake or something i cannot do it you have to tread water i have to tread water i cannot like

streamline swim and piss at the same time. God, the comments are so funny. I also can't piss and drive at the same time. I can piss as a passenger in a bottle, but I can't piss and drive at the same time. Like I can't slide the seat forward. I just can't do it. I have so little that's such a, um, we don't do that in California. Yeah, that's true. That's P and a bottle. We do that in California. Yeah, that's true. That's P in a bottle. We do that in Tennessee.

I have so little P bottling experience. Hey, I'm gonna send just really quickly. I'm gonna send Tim Murray, if I can find his link. He's competing this week at the CrossFit Games in San Antonio. Yeah. Yeah. He's in the short stature division. And I'm going to see, I think he, I want to see how he's doing.

He want, he tied the games. Oh shit. Oh, he tied last year. So I want to see, just check in on him. Maybe it'll help motivate him to see you too. He tied last year. So I want to just check in on him. Maybe it'll help motivate him to see you too. He tied last year. He has won CrossFit Games Championship on his belt. I don't think they should have let guys tie. No, not for a championship. Second, third, whatever. Who cares? Yeah.

If you can come on for a minute. So you did the bike race. You were, you were, uh, Friday was when the drowning incident happened with Lazar or was that Thursday? Thursday was the, yeah. And in your race was when? Saturday. God, that must've been a trip for you.

Yeah. You know, it was hard to think about, you know, it was, he was part of the, the mayhem family, you know, he was, he kind of went back to an old coach, but still just a great dude, um, to have around and part of our, our crew really. And then, you know, that sucks. But then also you start thinking about like, you put everything into perspective too. And, you know, think about all the things and stupid things that I've done, we've done in any sport, in any, you know, physical challenge, whatever.

And I'm like, you know, going out there down these mountains at high rates of speed. And you're just like, you know, it just put things into perspective in a weird, I've never, you always think those things could happen and we can, you know, this is a huge whatever and people are like, you should absolutely at no point ever feel like you could die at any event. And that's bullshit, like, sorry, but that is what it is. You know, you always think it could happen, but you never think it could happen if that makes sense. And so in it really, you were like, I'm like, Oh shit, you know, and not necessarily for me, like, if I'm to die today, especially doing something that I love or want to do, then, then just, you know, make a cool video,

talk about all the cool shit that I've done at my funeral, like, don't be sad, and then make sure my wife and kids are taken care of. That's all I care about, right? I'm okay. But to think about my kids or my family or anybody else, that was the part for me where I'm like, oh man, you know, or like, are they okay without me or are they set? You know, so that was, it was, yeah, it was just, sucked though. I mean that's the only way to put it is that it sucked right when you when you I Think I was there on You showed up Sunday, right? Yeah. Yep. I think I was there Sunday and you walked in and to the athlete I Think this is the athlete warm-up area But it's basically where they did all the demonstrations and you didn't even get in and the whole kind of fucking mayhem family swarmed you.

Did you and you were surrounded by all so many great people. Did you also feel a little helpless like when you were there like that you couldn't be there your team? Did that stress you out being like, Hey, maybe, you know, not being there with everybody, you know, everybody processes things different and everybody needs different things and I'm and to, you know, I'm not good with emotions, you know, I'm not. We always joke that I'm probably one of the most A, emotional people in certain things. It's not my kids or my wife or whatever, but I just, and so I don't know how to help people

in those situations when they need that, right? And so, I feel like at times people come across of like, oh, he just doesn't care. And it's just more like, I don't know what to do to help you more than- Well, it seemed like you care on Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I were very available. You got swarmed. I even ran over to you to get some comfort. Like everyone kind of ran over to you and you kind of held court and it was awesome

seeing you, dude. It was so great seeing you there. Well, you know, I just don't know what to do other than be there. Right. And if somebody wants to talk about something, then I'll talk about it. But it was more or less to be there and just make sure everybody was OK. And if they needed anything, it was good to see Dave because he was going through hell. And it's just, man, it's just an awful situation.

It's not a, it's unprecedented. It situation. You know, it's not a, um, you know, it's unprecedented. It's not something that, you know, you ever, you know, I go, I always come back to like, you knew it could happen, right? But you never thought it would happen. And, um, just sucks, right? When you, when you bombed it, when you bombed the hills, well, did you, when you bombed the hills, do you ever get concerned? Like, oh shit, if I hit a tree and I hit it, I'm dead. Not till after, you know?

I was like, holy cow. Actually the funny part is I had a guy come up to me as soon as the race was over because I had to make up some time. On some of those hills, I'm just like, screw it. I would hammer them. I don't have that switch that's like hey you shouldn't do that it's just The way I was raised I grew up doing that and so I you know flying down these hills I would just it's right before I'd get to somebody be on your right on your left

You know because if you say it too early people are like they start looking to whichever side they lean in your way So you know I'm going down this hill and so I had some guy come up to me after he's like dude You bombed those hills like a demon and so, you know I just this just is what it is, right? And so it's just yeah that that was the piece where I was kind of like man You know, these are situations that you know, I've never thought about before in other than oh, yeah that could happen kind of post but Yeah, it's just it's just a stuff, you know

Number one podcast in the space how many times you get to see two to cross the game champions in one show. There you go What's up, Tim? Much are you? Rich Tim Tim rich. I don't know if you guys have met before How's it going? Pretty good just trying to stay cool. It's like 105 here. 105 Tim? Yeah.

Holy shit. Yeah, he'd index like Rose real quick. How's everyone doing? Everyone good? Yeah, everyone's good. They got enough like co-tubs and fans, misters, all the jazz here so staying as cool as we can. Rich, what's the best way to stay cool? I'm probably the worst person to talk to about that. I'm the hottest running person there is. I sweat more than

anybody so I don't know if there's any secret and definitely if you figure it out let me know. Make sure you're wearing some wristbands or something to keep that sweat off the hands. Yeah I got you I know that we just jumped right into a cold tub as soon as our first event was over so that helped big time. Yeah as soon as you can bring as quick as you can bring that temperature down. Yeah. Tim how is it I we watched your first event. It looked like you took second place it looked like you were the second person off the Bird and then you took off running, but it looked like Mikey swoosh might have gotten off before you

Did you pass him on the run? Oh I think he got off right after I did Oh after you did okay, but yeah, and then some guy did get off before you Right. Yeah, there were a couple like off to my left that had gotten off like right before I did and I caught the one on the run and then I was he was playing a little Always where I'm looking for like Interference on me, I think I was like I gotta respect that And then I saw blaze Foster dove at the finish line.

Is he okay? Yeah, he's fine. I think he was just trying to hit because we had to tap the little bubble gumdrop thing, whatever they called it. So I think he was just trying to get that extra little bit of set every few seconds. You're sitting in second place? Sitting in second place, yeah. I know it's early, but is that guy who beat you a threat or no?

That was just like, he's good on the ergs and after this you're here. I wasn't sure what to expect from him really. Cuz he's kind of been behind me a bit, like in the semi finals and whatnot. But now this next one I'm pretty excited for. I think I'm gonna. It's sandbag carry 40 feet, six shuttle runs, sandbag carry, four shuttle runs, sandbag, two. All right.

So I'm, I mean, they're going on right now, so it's pretty fun to watch them getting some ideas. Heck yeah. Rich, hard to be the defending champ. Do you have any advice for Tim? Just soak it in and use it, man. All right. Just yeah your job is to leave no doubt right? Yeah all right I can do that. Hey Rich what's the best mind game he could play on the other guys? Any good

one-liners you got that he can use? I was never meant much for words it was more like either try to laugh them on a workout or just take just enough ahead and look completely calm even though you're dying inside So just keep that face That's easy enough Never show weakness Okay, I like that Tim is Mikey. Okay, he looked like he was hurting on the run. Is he okay? Is he gonna get back in the game? Yeah, I haven't I haven't seen him since we finished

I went straight to the cold tub just to bring that hate temperature down body temp down man Just been chilling ever since so I haven't really seen him And your next event is in an hour and 15 minutes And your next event is in an hour and 15 minutes Yeah, like wow no 3 39 central Okay, almost two hours. Okay All right, dude. Thanks for checking in. I really appreciate it. I know you're in the middle of your event I really appreciate it and we'll be watching on wheel wide on the Thank you. I appreciate it rich

Nice to meet you as well. Thank you Okay, definitely Thank you, all right brother say hi to Kevin Ogar if you see him say hi to Lisa gall and I'll be watching all weekend. All right. Sounds good. Thank you. All right later, brother Tim Murray Wheel wide cross the games champion. There you go 105 dude, that's crazy miserable

miserable When you did the race, what's it called the Leadville 100? Yeah, what's the temp there? Oh man, it was like 65 oh That's nice.? Oh man, it was like 65 oh That's nice. Yeah. It was it was awesome Son this year was sunny though in which Shouldn't affect you that much, but it just felt way different the year before it was mostly cloudy all day And that for me is great sun affects me more than it probably should so But yeah, it's still compared to any anywhere else in the country at that point. 60 degrees is incredible.

After the incident, you made a post where you said something along the lines of no one cares more about the games than Dave. Yep. I shouldn't have said just the games like that was supposed to be implied the games and the athletes. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know, but everybody's like he doesn't care about the athletes. I'm a, our Indians are so smart. And so you make that post and you make it quickly. And then you followed up with another post a day later,

showing support for obviously someone who you've had a long relationship with, who you know was hurting, and anyone who was close to him that day could tell he was not himself. He'd clearly been crying for hours and hours. Every time you saw him, his eyes were squinty and red. Why did you do that? Did you think twice about it? Did you know that it would get you some heat? Can you tell me what your mindset is for do that? Did you think twice about it? Did you know that it would get you some heat? Can you tell me what your mindset is for doing that? Yeah, no, I didn't think twice about it. We're all human.

Dave's human. Dave has, I feel like, become more human over the last, shoot, five, six years. Early on, it was a little bit different. And there was, Dave, for years, I feel like, was in that defensive, you know, everybody against CrossFit mentality and so yeah he came off abrasive, he came off defensive a lot early on not super open to either criticism or just communication, you know, probably straight

out of the military just different, right? He killed people for a living every night. Right. So that that unless you've done that, which I never have, you can't relate to that. Right. And so it may come off as early on, you know, like I saw a bunch of athletes that competed years and years ago. And Dave was a dick. He still is a dick like that. It is what it is. Right. But people that when Dave was a dick. He still is a dick. Like that is what it is. But people that when he was a little bit more abrasive and a little bit more, you know, not willing to at least discuss or when it was early on and nobody else had more perspective than he did. Right. And so, yeah. And so I, you know, Dave's a friend and more like a brother, you know, we have family tiffs where we'll publicly, you know, we's a friend and more like a brother, you know, we, we have family TIFs,

where we'll publicly, you know, we went at it for a little while jokingly, not jokingly, kind of jokingly. And then over the years, more than one more than one. Yeah, we're not going to agree. And I don't agree with everything that Dave's done or has ever done, but I do. I think he's a transition and is a good person. Absolutely. Do I think he's always been a good person?

Yeah. I think he's a transition and is a good person. Absolutely. Do I think he's always been a good person? Yeah, but he's trying to figure stuff out and for everybody to just jump on the whole fire Dave thing really, really pissed me off. So it struck a nerve. I appreciated it. I've always viewed you as a leader. I think a lot of people have always viewed you as a leader. Even when I was, I'm fucking 15, people have always viewed you as a leader even when I was

I'm fucking 15 17 years older than you and I still view you as a leader a very strong leader I've learned a lot from you when you when you made that statement. I felt that that showed leader incredible leadership I am Concerned especially in juxtaposition to what the way I see Dana White lead that this that this company is leaderless Across the HQ I see Dana White I don't know if you've seen the did you ever see the clip of him telling like he has no problem like if a fighter Does something stupid he'll be like holy shit that fighter pulled out of stitches and showed it on Instagram now the guy's fighting Fucking knows where his cut is. What are you a fucking moron? Right. Or, or after he hit his wife, he did

a press conference. He's like completely fucking unacceptable. No one should ever hit their wife. I'm embarrassed and humiliated. But let me tell you, I have to deal with my wife now and my sons who have horribly let down. And that and I'm going to take care of that. And then you guys, how about you guys shut the fuck up and I just When you say Dave's a dick that was that was the good part of He was our dick. He was our leader like we knew that he was gonna stand up. Yeah, he was there was almost like if anybody from the outside said anything somebody was gonna stand up where

It does feel a little bit like a power vacuum at the moment. You know, like it is like remember when he threw the outside magazine outside magazine judge said some negative shit about CrossFit he immediately made a video and threw the fucking magazine like fuck you guys. Yeah, yeah. So it's just and we like that, right? We want that like,

I think we were missing a little bit of that, you know, like this whole Hey, here's the deal CrossFit everybody can do We want that. I think we're missing a little bit of that. You know, like this whole, hey, here's the deal. Crossfit, everybody can do Crossfit or Crossfit is for everybody, but not everybody is for Crossfit. Like some people just, it's just not, you know, it takes a special person to want to suffer like that all the time. And that's okay. You know, like, that's what we do for alerts. What I do for a living is to suffer, right? know like that's what we do for alerts what I do for a living is to suffer right and here's the thing you don't even have to you can be a wimp like me and hang out in zone 2 all the time and in the community yeah and the community will still embrace you but there's value sorry hold on a second Greg let him

speak how about you shut the fuck up? Seven show just like on the rich frowning podcast. I can cut Angelo off any time I want to oh My goodness, welcome to the hog rider podcast. Oh jeez He's saying I'm riding your dick like all I've guessed on and ride their dick. David, have a few just, you know. Hog rider. Nice. That's a good one. Oh, my goodness. OK, back to leadership. Yeah, I don't think the company. I don't think the. I think we'd rather have someone who's contentious

and we have issues with and just no leadership at all. Do you do? I mean, what do you think? I do. Do you have any thoughts's contentious and we have issues with than just no leadership at all. Do you do you mean what do you think? Do you have any thoughts on it on what Don's doing on what Rose is doing on what's happened since Greg has been gone? How long do we have? Hours, I don't know, you know, and here's and I've talked to Bill and Hannah Gern. I don't think he would care me saying this You know this all this talk of we need we need outside You know somebody from the NBA. We need somebody from tennis, we need blah, blah, blah. Some specialists in another sport.

No, who's the, who's the most, who's the specialist in our sport? Dave Castro has been here since the beginning. Bill Henniger has been here since the beginning. Andy Thorzada has been here since the beginning. Myself, some of these others that have been around and stuck around, not ones that were here and then bail on us for something else later. Josh Bridges. Josh Bridges. Why not get that group

of... Why have we never once, not been consulted even, like, hey, let's bring this crew in and some affiliate owners and how do we fix this? Give us some ideas. That's never once. Some of these other people may have, but it's just not been nobody. It's just it's tough. You know, like there's no. Yeah, we want to do what's best for the community, but it's not like why not bring. Bring in different perspectives of like different parts of the community and how can we all meet up and make it better? Right. It's tough. Has has has Don called you since the incident? We talked on the phone two or three days after and kind of talked about, you know, he was asked if I ever felt like, you know, I've not been heard or, you know, quiet down or whatever.

I said not in the last six, eight years. No, early on. Yeah, but I probably shouldn't have had a voice in the first three or four years because I hadn't built, you know, the credibility and known kind of the ins and outs of things. Now I feel like, hey, I might have some perspective. And there was the, and also offered, hey, any of our media or anybody at the games or athletes who needs to see a counselor that CrossFit would pay for it. So that was cool.

But yeah, there's no like, he's talked about coming out, but I haven't seen him yet. But I don't think it needs to be a one-on-one visit. I think there needs to be this, hey, get a group and we don't all have to agree on it, but at least let's talk it out, right? And say, hey, it sucks right now. Like it's not good. What about this?

Let me push back completely on what you just said. How about this? How about just don't ask anyone and Don, and you just stand up and be a fucking leader and start fucking leading this thing and start fucking running off in a certain direction? Yeah, yeah, any direction. I'm fine with that. Yeah. How about how do people get in line or not? Right? I feel like nothing has happened in the last four years. No, there's not. I was just. Nothing.

And how's your affiliate doing? Great. Probably the, I mean, definitely the most members we've ever had. I think the other day Josh said we were around 700 at nights. We can't run out of parking lot space and we're like, you never thought we'd run out of an 18,000 square foot facility. But when you've got, you know, CrossFit kids or CrossFit teens, CrossFit preteens,

and then we have our CrossFit class. And then we also have what's called life class, which is CrossFit, but geared towards seniors a little bit less intimidating. You can't move around in there, which is awesome. It's incredible. So we're doing good. Some people would say, hey, that's not fair.

He won the games four times. He won the games another five times as a team. I would argue that's a detriment because for years we had to overcome that. Hey, mayhem is only for elites. And so I think we finally made it over that bridge. But it was definitely, you but it's uh it was it was definitely you know for years it was like oh I can't I can't go to mayhem it's only for CrossFit Games athletes so it's not that way anymore

and do you know what the secret sauce is why your affiliate is thriving why it's that why maybe CrossFit's in one of the worst places it's ever been and yet your affiliate is the biggest it's ever been maybe CrossFit's in one of the worst places it's ever been and yet your affiliate is the biggest it's ever been I think it's obviously the methodology is awesome and then just having good people you know having people that are you know Josh runs the gym he does an incredible job does a great job with coaches does we just have great people great people around and yeah I mean, that's really the secret sauce, right? We don't do any marketing locally.

We don't do any of that. So it's all literally the old school word of mouth. So it's CrossFit methodology, high intensity functional movements, constantly varied. And then just really good people and good coaches. And then the community that's just kind of taking on that, you know, what we are is faith, family, fitness, and service. What percentage of your clients, members, would you say are Christian?

I mean, we are in the Bible Belt, so probably seven, I would say 70%, are like professing Christians, and then, then you know who depends on um you know if they're every day reading their Bible or any of that stuff I don't I don't really know but I'd say 70 probably 60 70 percent. You think these people see each other uh not like there's people who uh go to church and then come to the gym together? Um like it's that close? Maybe maybe some of those. But not as much as you, as you know, like you don't go, like, is there, is there, is there one church that like 300 of your members go to? No, we've got, I mean, you can drive around anywhere in town. There's churches on the, you

know, different street corners. And so, uh, you know, everybody goes to different churches and yeah, within even that Christian, um, banner, you've got many different denominations in many different churches. So I wouldn't say that the faith side handled Lazar's death different because the practicing Christians, you know, Jason Hopper, you know, worked in a church before he was able to do CrossFit full time. You got obviously James Sprague where, you know, carries the Bible around, has it tattooed on his tongue. You have these people who handled it differently. And my theory was is because the

bedrock of their life talks about how to behave and the bedrock of the story is that the main character died for your sins. And a lot of it's about afterlife, right? Yeah. Yeah. And who knows what? You know, you can read the Bible and still some of it to me is a little bit of like, I don't know, I can't interpret that, right? And so, you know, the hope is that, you know, we'll see him again, Lazar again. And so, you know, if he says he was a professing Christian or said he was a Christian and, you know, Luke Parker talked about it and they've had a bunch of conversations about it. And so, you know, there is that hope and yeah, I mean, it's, it's just, it puts life into perspective, right? And

so for me, personally, I just, for me, it was more about like, hey, what what legacy my wife and my kids and as long as they're taken care of that's what really matters. And I don't mean this in any disrespect at all to Christians, but whether it's true or not, if you spend your days in your primary focuses fulfilling the duties of your sponsorship and getting a good picture of your ass and Then where as someone else's prepares their life with reading the Bible then when someone dies they may have better coping skills to

Process a death as opposed to the person like they're like, oh shit How am I gonna talk about this on Instagram as opposed to someone who reads the Bible's like, okay, this is how I need to process death. Yeah, that's a whole different conversation when we're talking about people talking about stuff on the internet, right? Yeah, it's just it's just different, you know, like, and it's hard, you can't, you know, you can't, or I don't to you. I guess you could force what I believe on to how somebody else is acting right and so It is it's tough, you know people handle stuff different You know, we got a bunch of crap when we did our whole podcast about you know

People saying that we were just stroking our ego by saying we were firefighters So we handle death differently and you're just like no we just. It's just different, you know, like it's just different. Well, it's like you said, I don't remember the exact story, but one of the first calls you went to, you show up and some kid who you went to high school with, it was either him or not. He just turned a shotgun on himself. Yeah.

Like, yeah. Yeah. If you're not gonna handle, tell me you don't handle death differently from that moment on, right? And I've lost some very close people to me, like two cousins that were super close. And so it's just, we're just different. Yeah, there was a different depth to you

from when I first met you to the vast majority of young CrossFit Games athletes I meet, because when I first met you in 2010, you had that, you had already done some serious soul searching through trials, hard trials you'd already been through losing best friends, family stuff, well all family stuff. Those best friends were your family also. And so it's interesting. So then you do get these people who, you know, they've had a great life.

They started CrossFit at 13 and then their first fucking hard thing that happened to them is they swam over Lazar's dead body in the water and I get that I would totally get that that rock the fuck out of them Yeah, for sure. And you know, like there's no like I can't judge that because Hell if that's the first thing that you've ever experienced like that. Yeah, it's different. You know, like it's just We you know, like, it's just, we just different life life experience. Um, has it has it? How are you guys dealing with it with the inside mayhem? I know it's a big the mayhem empire. There's a shitload of people, a ton of

uh, high profile athletes. How are you guys? Are you guys staying close? Or is it causing any fracture inside of your camp? I don't think, um, I don't think it's really caused any fracture. You know, everybody's kind of like off season mode ish, you know, some people are starting to ramp up to rogue. Um, I don't think it really ruined anything. I saw five of them all stand sitting there stretching earlier. I was joking about it.

I'm like, what are you guys doing? Like they were doing one of those go water pliability or whatever, you know, like while these young kids are doing. But yeah, it's like, that doesn't seem to, I mean, I think maybe made everybody closer, right? And so, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm sure some people might be turned off or whatever from, you know, like just how they process things are different.

You know, Gia felt like he was super close with Lazar and he reacted a little bit differently than some of the others. It hit him a little bit harder. And so, yeah, just different. I had Saxon and Angelo on the show. Oh, geez. Yeah, it was a great show.

Oh, I bet it was. Like Susie said, Angelo. And Saxon really, it was a side of Saxon I hadn't seen before and it's been there but. Saxon's a good dude. Yeah great guy and one of the things I shared with them is is that the and I'm curious about your evolution through this I have this kind of view from OPT all the way up to the current champion Jeffrey or no James Bragg I have this like I Feel like I see them go through these cycles of their persona, right? so they come in like super thankful then there becomes almost a I'm gonna be a little extreme here, but like a self-importance or self-righteousness

Their value and then they and then they come back to like wow CrossFit It's about like helping my fat uncle curious type 2 diabetes yeah, and there's the kind of like just this journey that they take and I Said to Angelo and Saxon that I thought that CrossFit Games athletes had a tremendous amount of influence But almost zero value and by that the value I meant is the value to the ecosystem but the influence Like they get confused they get the two confused about their influence versus their value, right?

Do you have any thoughts on that? Do you think that that's too harsh or too complimentary or? No, I think, you know, there's what you're saying is true. I mean, you become so selfish when you're an athlete. You have to be as an individual athlete. I've said it a hundred times more than that, probably, but you have to, I was the most selfish person there was when I was an individual and still, hell, I'm still selfish.

But you have to be, if you want to be the best in the world at anything, and that's what we're trying, what most athletes when they show up at the games are trying to do. And so yeah, you have this kind of like arc of like, yeah, I'm, you know, this is all I'm thinking about is trying to win the CrossFit Games. When I woke up for four years,

and then really seven more as on a team, like I woke up a little bit less on team where I was like my number one goal is to win the CrossFit Games. And then you finish and you're kind of like, oh shit, you know, like people, people, people are quick to forget, right? And so if you're not doing something, not that there's no value, but like what you're saying, you realize the importance of, hey, I can leave a legacy or I can change people's lives. There's that evolution, like you're saying, you're going through and you're like,

all right, now what is my legacy per se from competing? Was my time as an individual or my time competing, was it worthless, right? And so, yeah, it's just, yeah, yeah, just a long-winded answer to say yes. You were, one of the years you were doing team, you were sleeping in the back of a motor home and I think I walked up to you, I think you were in the back, maybe like you were laying

down your head was hanging out. And I remember saying, Oh, how'd you sleep or something? I don't know if I remember this exactly correctly. And you said, Oh, I slept like shit. And I said, Why? And you said, because I spent all night visualizing the workouts, or thinking about the workout. Your brain just goes there. Yeah, I didn't sleep a wink the night before Leadville.

I laid in bed at eight o'clock to get up at six and slept. I think, I think my whoops said I slept two hours and 12 minutes because I'm literally thinking about anything that could go wrong or how much pain you're about to be in. Yeah. And so your brain just goes there. It's just what it is. And it's who we are. Right. Do you like that? You get off on that? Yes and no.

You know, like in the moment you're like, this is stupid, why do I do this? And then after you finish it, you're like, hell yeah, I did something hard, right? And I think, yeah, I think that's a sick twisted thing that we just have, right? Hey, will you do Leadville again? I'm gonna take a year off from doing the 100.

I might do the stage race. They have a three day stage race. So you do the whole race over three days and you can do a little bit faster. I wanna do a couple, I was gonna do a couple off-road triathlons next year. And then I might do some like, we did that fresh coast challenge or fresh coast.

Yeah, fresh, I keep calling it fresh coast classic, but that's not what it is. It's some team competitions. So local team competitions, partner competitions, whatever. Me and Dre are doing one in Amarillo, Texas, 806 Classic. And so I'm gonna do some stuff like that, whatever I can, whatever the old body will let me do. I probably won't do the CrossFit Games master stuff, but

something on a team, two person team, I'll try to do. When you live your life, are you just like, are you planning? Do you plan or like- No, I'm the worst planner. I'm literally like squirrel, let me go do this. Right now, hunting is something I'm really big into and really enjoy that I feel like that's something that I can keep doing and will keep doing for years and years.

Um, I just really liked that, but then kind of off season for hunting. My, my main goals besides family stuff are, um, obviously one to sell. I think I've said this on this podcast. I've got to sell mayhem programming. So I have to look at my shirt off. I want to be able to do hard challenges, hard things whenever I want to. And I still got to let the kids at the gym know that every once in a while the old man's still here.

So, you know, those are my goals right now. I'm working out a workout because I like to work out, you know, probably two times a day most days. So, hey, that's cool. out a workout because I like to work out you know probably two times a day most days. So hey that's cool. So it went from wanting to win the games to you I know you're speaking somewhat tongue in cheek when you say you want to look good with your shirt off because you're selling programming. But the way I'm interpreting what you're saying is like you've built your role model

in your community and in your gym and you leverage that to make sure you're not eating like an asshole. If you don't want to work out you make sure you get up and work out because you like the role. My kids are there, people are here. Yep, I gotta practice what I preach, right? Yeah. And it's funny because those are really powerful moments that people don't realize. That's when the ego is your friend, that you can leverage your ego to do things to make everything better. Yeah, for sure. Is Hillary working out with you? Hillary, she started walking on the Is Hillary working out with you? Hillary, she started walking on the probably the past three or four months.

She's just like goes downstairs, walks on the assault runner or she comes outside and walks checking fences or outside with her high link cows and doing whatever. So she's gotten into, I can't coax her into like letting me help her, letting me coach her, it's just not good. So she's, but she's definitely way more active in the last six months to almost a year than she has been years past for sure. Do you try? No, I just gave me it's just I asked my wife. Yeah, I used to work out with my wife every day and since we have kids we don't do that We work out separately, but yesterday I was like, hey, well you can work out with me and then two seconds later the kids grabbed her

Yeah, yeah Sounds about right that we worked out separately. But yesterday I was like, hey, will you come work out with me? And then two seconds later, the kids grabbed her. Yep. Yeah. Sounds about right. Well, dude, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Oh, did you get any elk on the last hunt? Yep. Got a five by six bull with my bow. And it was one of the cooler non-competition moments

I've ever had. It was awesome. And then I'm heading back out to Utah on next Wednesday. So I've got three coaches, pitch games, and softball games to help coach. What's a five by six? It's how many, I guess, antlerslers five on one side six on the other but bunch of good meat bunch of good free-range elk meat and and what did you like about this hunt what made it like one of the your favorite moments that you've had I think just hunting with a bow meeting some new guys we hunted with they've got a YouTube channel called born and raised outdoors

learning meeting some new guys learning a top a bunch of just a bunch of stuff from them and Always trying to learn and you know get better at what I'm doing Born and raised outdoors born and raised outdoors. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, they're good dudes really cool guys You like meeting new people? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. They're good dudes. Really cool guys. You like meeting new people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You're the opposite. You're the you're kind of the opposite of Dave. Dave doesn't want to be social at all. You're okay with being social. I like being social with smaller groups, right? And so like I get a little anxious with large

groups. I don't mind. It's just when there's so much input, I can't, I'm not an introvert, but I'm not an extrovert like small group, little group of people where I can actually have some connection. Yeah, I enjoy that. But when it gets kind of chaotic and people are all around it, I get, I don't know I have sensory overload or something I've got a touch of something right. Hey how long before you run for

office? I don't know if that's a good thing I don't know if people want that. They do want that. Have you thought I asked you last time kind of the same answer are you getting closer you think you're one percent of the way there? Yeah, maybe 1% more. We'll see what happens in November. Then we'll decide, I guess. Nah, my kids will have to be gone and it would have to be something Hillary would be okay with. Okay, so maybe like when you're 50? Yeah, maybe when I'm 50. All right.

All right, well, I'd like to be on the media side of helping you with your campaign. All right, deal. All right, sign me up. All right, say hi to everyone. Will you be the press secretary? All that stuff. media side of helping you with your campaign. Alright, deal. Alright, sign me up. Alright, say hi to everyone. Can you be the press secretary? All that stuff. Oh, I don't know if I can. I can't be in. I love that.

Yes. I can't be the press secretary. Oh, that would be good. Get the **** away from Rich. What are you doing? Oh, man. Could you imagine? No. Alright. Alright. Um good to have you on buddy. Let's do it again in a couple weeks. Yeah, thanks for that was a that was a new record I think for the uh show having two CrossFit

Games champions on at the same time. There you go. Uh me and Jason need three. Oh yeah okay. Alright. Yep you're right. Alright dude talk to you soon have a good day love you too bye. Rich Seve the Fluffer. Dude, I love him so much. Oh, I forgot to tell him one of my kids called him a douche and I almost fucking had to make my kids sleep outside. My goodness. Oh my God, I'm so excited for tonight.

I'm going somewhere so cool with Susan, Greg tonight. Greg's picking me up at three. I got to pee so bad. I swear, FIDA just goes right through me. I wonder if I use the exercises and I made my dick 12 inches long if I would have more room for pee. It doesn't work like that, does it? Savvy needs a smoke.

Damn, he's cool. Was I fawning over a 35 year old man? All right. Tim Murray looked great. Great to have Tim on. I'm gonna go fool around with my kids. I see they're in the backyard fooling around. What's tomorrow? Tomorrow, Glenton will be on for me in the morning. Garrett Glenton from the Glenton podcast,

Glenton Things and Colleen, Colleen, her wife. Then Saturday morning, we will be doing Kill Taylor. Maybe I'll do a show tomorrow night for my hotel room with Suza. All right. That's it. Love you guys. Thanks for the double shows today. And I'll talk to you guys soon.