The Sloppy Boys - 121. The Trickster's Mystery Drink
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Previously on the Sloppy Boys Podcast.
Oh my God, it's a letter?
And someone managed to get it to us,
even though we never gave it the post office box number.
That is creepy.
Kind of looks like a,
like a ransom note or something.
Oh shit.
A wicked cackle short of breath.
Bravo to Mike and Tim and Jeff.
The IBA is near complete.
That's not really true,
but I've devised another feat.
Oh no.
Let's see how the Sloppies
fare
when mystery is in the air.
No research
ahead of time.
Next week, the boys will
go in blind.
Signed, The Trickster.
In scrawly handwriting, The Trickster.
The Trickster signed that. The Trickster. We're goingly handwriting, The Trickster. The Trickster signed that.
The Trickster.
Wow.
We're going in blind?
Wait a second.
That's so freaky to me.
Oh, shit.
Hey, folks. Welcome to The Sloppy Boys, where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love.
I'm Jeff Dutton, along with Mike Hanford.
I'm in L.A.
And Tim Kalpakis.
What is up, West Coast styleys?
Yes, we are your hosts, and we are in person together once again.
And we're in L.A.?
Los Angeles. Los Strangelos, you would say.
One of you would say. Hollyweird. Hollyweird, Los Strangelas, you would say. One of you would say.
Hollyweird.
Hollyweird, Los Strangelas.
Hollyweed.
Are you guys talking these days?
You guys talk.
What kind of question is that to ask at the top of the show?
No, man, I'm just curious.
Every morning I wake up, I pack a bong, I forget to spark it up.
Yeah, it's tough to find the matches.
All those bongs unsparked.
I do a new bong every morning
i one thing i really enjoy uh is going to like walking by vape shops and stuff and seeing the
bongs the mart the um rick and morty bongs or like the spongebob bongs spider-man yeah yeah
they really do some interesting glass work on those i don't know if they're worth uh like if
they're if you put them down it just shatters if they're worth uh like if they're if you put
them down it just shatters but you're right they're always they're always always entertaining
to me um you know what i just noticed and the head shops we have in la are like a little bit
different than other places where they're a little more like uh yeah like a vape shoppy and a little
like almost like a sp Gifts vibe or something like
that rather than hippy-dippy and I've seen what was one in Hollywood and then
I saw one downtown the other day where they a big thing is having like
international chips like like Doritos flavors that we don't interest in sex or
like wrap snacks yes wrap snacks that's another one like you one. I just saw wrap snacks. Like independent chips.
Lesser known chips.
It'll be like one counter of like vapes and jewels
and another counter of lesser known chips.
And it's funny that it's like,
it's munchy stuff,
but it's like, why the rare munchy stuff?
But I know what you mean.
Like when I think of like head shops,
when you go on vacation upstate in New York,
you'd see like
yeah tie dyes yeah hendrix and like a black light posters the felt dripping candle trees yeah and
then now the head shops are there's basically vape shops and it's like led lights and a lot
of mirrors and chrome yeah and right very bright lights and And expensive looking, there's a brand, Roar, R-O-O-R, bongs that look like, they're really artful, but they look like a Mercedes bong.
They're very simple, right?
Yeah, but they're expensive. They look like they're made by Lexus or something.
Yeah, I remember a kid in college was like, dude, Jason got a Roar over Christmas christmas i was like what is that he's like
it's this glass bong from amsterdam man okay but they're yeah all right jason they did it they
seem super expensive like yeah the head shops in ithaca were like you could get a slide for a bong
man like this one's 750 man like seven dollars fifty cents and now these roars like 500 bongs
there's a really funny uh instagram or tiktok
video of this kid who got a bong like mailed to him and his mom is with him and she's like
open this up open your new your package you got he's like a teenager he's like opens it and it's
a bong he's like oh what is this she's like you don't know what this is it's's like, I don't know how this came here.
Busted, dude.
Well, anything else new to report? I'm trying to think.
It's fun being out here in LA. I'm
staying with the T-Man.
Excellent host. Thank you.
Hey, the T-Man. Excellent host.
Mike made me eggs.
I did eggs. Keto eggs.
Scrambled avocado eggs with avocado mushed, mashed in. Mushed in? Keto eggs. Scrambled avocado eggs with
avocado mushed in. Mushed in?
So, okay. And then
what did I do? Fried up some green pepper.
Do they turn the eggs green when you put
avocado in? A little bit. Kind of just
disappeared and the egg made it creamier
but then there was green pepper
in there. Oh, wow.
You kind of forget about green pepper.
You go through produce. I love it on pizza.
Sausage and peppers. Pepperoni green pepper.
Green pepper. A nice little
crack. A little
Oh!
I had something
to say about eggs. Yes, cream cheese.
I had an extra little dollop of cream cheese.
No bagels to put it on. So I said,
I'm going to make a little scramble.
I'm going to do my best to chop up this cream cheese in the egg. Oh, put it on. So I said, you know, I'm going to make a little scramble. I'm going to do my best to like chop up this cream cheese in the egg.
Oh, and it worked.
Nice.
Nice.
Yum, yum, yum, yum.
And are you doing the slow?
We talk about eggs a lot on this podcast.
This is low and slow.
Low and slow.
I've been getting into that too.
I don't always go to the way slowest.
And that sometimes takes a little time.
Well, it's got the time.
My patience runs out.
But I don't just like eat my...
In the old days, you just blast it on high and you're done in two seconds.
Yeah, yeah.
Make some shitty dry egg.
Man, I had another thing I wanted to talk about during a shit chat and I forgot.
But it was something about me having to apologize for getting something wrong or something that people have been correcting me about.
People have been dming me and
i was like i should apologize oh is it uh the 35 milliliter 35 millimeter no but that's a good one
yeah that's one on the pod um we for both the french connection and the godfather didn't put
it together that 35 milliliters is a reference to 35 millimeter fill right so really you would
just make it have to be 30 because 30
milliliters is an ounce so and we're just saying it's an equal parts drink right they did a cute
thing where they made it 35 we didn't pick up on that then there was another well a smaller thing
is um a few people have corrected me on my pronunciation of appalachian oh i say i say
appalachian i say appalachian too you shouldn't you shouldn't appalachian they say appalachian I say Appalachian too You shouldn't They say Appalachian
On the trail they say Appalachian
But there's one that I really incessantly
Got hammered into me
And people are mad mad mad
It'll have to just be next week I guess
The fact that you say soup case instead of soup case
Yeah
That's correct
Well if it comes to you.
If it comes to me, then I shall share it.
Damn.
For some of my lunch today, I went to the grocery shop
and I bought Campbell's beefy mushroom soup.
Beefy mushroom?
I never heard of it before, but beefy mushroom seemed funny to me.
It was disgusting.
I had it totally stuck, right?
It wasn't disgusting. It wasn't disgusting.
It wasn't disgusting.
I just wanted more stuff in it.
You think it would be beef and mushroom soup,
but beefy mushroom sounds like it's a mushroom soup
that's a little beefy.
A little beefy, a little bigger.
It reminded me of chicken hearts and gizzards,
mostly gizzards.
Mostly gizzards.
Mostly gizzards.
Ugh.
Man.
There was a restaurant term, a menu term,
that I didn't like. it was 86 it was something like
beefy but it was you mean the the menu item was called it yeah like i don't know sometimes you
see like chicken tendies yeah it's like oh i hate tendies yeah but it's like uh toasty this
oh sando sando i don't like but was like, there's an extra cutesy one.
It's similar to like toasty bread
and whatever. Like, is it toasted?
Or like, don't be
cute about it. But it was
an even more confusing and annoying
thing than toasty. Interesting.
Interesting. Damn.
Hey folks, little editor's note.
The word I was looking for was melty.
As in, covered in melty cheese.
Okay, here we go.
You know what I don't like at restaurants is when, you know, you go to like a,
you ever been to the Phoenician Diner?
Yeah.
You know of it?
I went there a couple weeks ago.
Hip spot, Michael.
Hip spot.
I was up there skiing.
I was coming down the next day.
City guy upstate, you're going to the Phoenicia Diner.
City Guy Upstate, that would be a good trilogy.
That's your memoir.
No, it could be City Guy Upstate, City Guy Abroad.
City Guy in space.
City Guy back to the city.
City Guy in space.
City Guy in the city, he's looking up at the buildings like,
whoo.
He's been away so long.
He's been upstate.
Whoa, whoa.
This ain't Phoenician no more.
But the Phoenician, they had,
like I was in the mood for some corned beef.
Hash.
Hash, which I love.
But it was listed on the menu as like,
our fresh, our in-house smoked corned beef or something.
And I've done that before at a nice hip place,
and it's like chunks of corned beef.
That's what I want.
No, you want it
shredded up like hash.
I want dog food.
I agree.
I agree.
You want it all shreddy.
I don't like the big,
they're showing off,
hey, look at these chunks
of corned beef.
I don't give a fuck.
And I actually,
I'm not going to throw
a Phoenician diner
under the bus
because I don't know
if that's what it was.
I just saw that
the way it was worded
and I said,
you know what?
I've had problems
with this before.
I don't want to ask.
Right.
And you didn't order it.
Didn't order it. Didn't even ask about it.
So I wouldn't worry about throwing them under the bus because it's a food
you didn't eat.
This is a famous restaurant with a
cookbook out that's a bestseller.
And you had no experience with it?
But I don't want people to go there and say,
I'm not going to go there because they have that
bad corned beef.
Here's another corned beef blunder.
Oh, that's your book.
My memoir.
When you get corned beef hash, you say, this will be good.
And then don't get hash browns as your side dish.
Because sometimes you'll have corned beef hash going along the middle of the plate
and then on the side, hash browns.
Too much hash.
It's the same thing minus the corned beef hash going along the middle of the plate and then on the side hash browns too much the same thing minus the corned beef basically so you want to you want to either you know if you
can get like home fries or lots of times they won't even offer a potato side with a corned
hash some toast would be nice
some toast would be nice if you i had the eggs benedict and i am i ain't complaining
wow that's very uh city guy upstate getting eggs benny i've been on i've been on a big
diner kick and i've been luxuriating in in in not doing the brunchy food. You know, go into a diner and just, I get my eggs soft scrambled.
Really nice.
Right.
Versus what?
Just a scrambled egg,
but they don't cook it too much.
So it's a soft scramble.
Is that like the slow scramble that we've talked about?
It's a soft scramble.
Yeah, they just do a good job.
Yeah, yeah.
They just do a good job of it.
They just do a good, it is.
It's a little more, you know,
like it's a little more European.
Ah, a nice pillowy, soft scramble.
There you go.
Well, why don't we get into a little baboos news?
Hit it!
Hey, there's another song.
You know that song that's like...
Dum, dum, dum, dum.
Dum, dum, dum, dum. Dum, dum, dum, dum. that's like Jason's having
a wonderful
Christmas time
you got it
coming up Joe
I did pretty good
yeah
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choose news
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Choose french fry flavoured vodka.
Choose live raw.
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Choose Jeff.
Mike and don't forget him.
He's basically my boy.
Choose the sloppy boys.
Bitch, it's fool or snooze.
Your slag scoring comes.
Hello there.
I'm no longer
constipated.
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Nice. That's like, that was
Trainspotting, right? Yeah, yeah. Choose life.
Yeah, yeah. That ending. So the song Born Slippy is in Yes. What's like, that was Trainspotting, right? Yeah, yeah. Choose Life. Yeah, yeah. That ending. So the song Born
Slippy is in...
Yes. What's the real song? It's
from by Underworld or
something like that?
I think I got it right here.
That was born this way.
Yeah.
The real song is Born Slippy by Underworld
and it's on the Trainspotting...
Born Slippy, that's a funny name.
Original soundtrack.
That's a good movie.
I haven't seen that in a long time.
Original soundtrack, that's kind of gone the way of the dodo.
You feel kind of stupid when you go on Spotify
looking for a soundtrack,
and a lot of movies don't do them anymore,
and if it's not an original score,
you'll see somebody put together a playlist of the songs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of them. a playlist of the songs. Oh, yeah, yeah.
A couple of them.
Who does it?
Guardians.
And then Tarantino, obviously.
It's funny that Tarantino burns through songs at a quick pace.
He'll play like five seconds of a song and then go on to the next.
Oh, in a scene, you mean?
Oh, in like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Oh, yeah, yeah. next oh in a scene you mean oh in like uh once upon a time in hollywood oh yeah like oh yeah playing uh taking the biggest most recognizable songs imaginable we're just playing them for four seconds each um i just saw i just saw a video of tarantino talking about his writing process and
it was great because he made no bones about trying to make it sound unpleasant he was like he was
like so i wake up in the morning and i have a balcony off my bedroom i live up in the hollywood
hills beautiful nice greenery really nice so i'll write during the day and I have a balcony off my bedroom. I live up in the Hollywood Hills. Beautiful. Nice greenery.
Really nice.
So I'll write during the day and I'm writing.
And then when I've finished my day of writing, it's maybe five o'clock, six o'clock, seven o'clock.
Then I go in the pool.
And while I'm in the pool, I think about the stuff that I wrote that day that I maybe didn't really like, didn't want to change.
And I'm relaxing the pool.
It's very warm.
It's very nice.
And I think about then, what I think about then is those are the things I'm going to start with when I
write tomorrow.
And I was just like the no shame aspect of like,
yeah,
we all agree.
You're,
you're a rich genius.
This is great.
And like,
we're happy.
Whatever you're doing up there is,
is I'm happy.
You're happy.
He,
uh,
remember when he won an Oscar for writing for something?
Uh,
and he got up there,
it was kind of the last couple of years.
He got up and I think he thanked himself.
He wrote it up.
Man.
There's a great,
like the George Lucas quote is the other one.
I forget what it's.
It's something like he hates writing.
He detests it. He compares it to walking through the desert,
starving and picking up rocks.
And just knowing that every rock he picks up is not the rock that he's looking
for. Oh my god.
This makes it sound absolutely miserable.
Is that when he came up with the, these are not the droids
you're looking for? Yeah, I think so. He's like, instead of rocks
it could be droids. Wait a minute, no
rocks at all in this movie. It should be robots.
His
vomit draft of the movie was
all rocks and then he changed rock to
droid.
There we go.
Okay, booze news, guys.
This was a huge, huge booze news story.
This is the big one.
Maybe the most we've ever been tagged.
Maybe the most we've ever been DMed.
I was getting DMs to me, and I'm like, you don't me.
I'm not the booze news guy.
Yeah, but you are the Fireball Nip enthusiast.
That's true.
The fireball nip scandal.
Fireball is being sued because those little gas station nips that Hanford carries around
and he sometimes shakes your hand and slips one into your palm.
Yeah.
They do not contain whiskey.
Oh.
So did you hear about this, Jay?
No.
So, yes, it's like a lawsuit that's happening.
Mike, you heard about it.
We kind of broke the story here a year ago just figuring out.
Remember, I like during an episode ran to my kitchen.
Yeah, there's two kinds.
It says, if you buy it at like a liquor store, it'll say cinnamon whiskey.
And if you buy it at a gas station or a bodega, it says cinnamon.
And then you look and you notice that instead of 66
alcohol it's 33 alcohol no 66 proof it's 33 proof and you you peek and you see it's instead of being
a distilled beverage it's a malt beverage right so you're that's why they could sell them at
grocery stores you get those like buckets of them, because you don't need to have a liquor license.
You can have a beer and wine license and sell those nips.
But here, so we talked about this a year ago and we were baffled by it.
I do remember like, it's funny to be in your own home and pull something out of the cabinet.
Because I had two identical things next to each other, cinnamon whiskey and cinnamon.
It's in my very own home.
How big is this problem? It's in my very own home. How big is this problem?
It's in my house.
Have I switched overdue?
So then this is a big story.
It's in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
And people were tagging us.
And I was like, oh, so people finally found out.
But I hadn't actually read an article until now.
And a lady is suing for $5 million.
Wow.
That's so funny.
What's her thing?
False advertising.
She's like,
just that it was deceptive.
The label was deceptive.
We should have done that.
Yeah.
I mean,
it is deceptive because she can point to another product that they sell that
looks exactly the same and does say whiskey on it.
Yeah.
And there's also,
it goes beyond just the cinnamon thing.
I think that if you look at the back, it'll say like cinnamon whiskey, or it says like natural whiskey and other flavors.
Meaning like it's a natural whiskey flavor and other flavors, but it looks like natural whiskey and flavors.
But the other is the legalese that gets you.
and flavors, but the other is the legalese that gets you.
Was it Fireball that also had like a third iteration in like some states where it was like wine-based or something?
I think we were saying that the malt one,
we were like, it's basically drinking wine.
Okay.
You know, I kind of remember something like that.
We were talking about like-
It wasn't Fireball.
Was it like Bumwine or Four Loko or something?
Something had a state-by-state difference in ingredients.
Well, the one thing I know about Fireball,
it's now owned by the Sazerac Company,
but remember it used to be owned by Seagram's
and it was Dr. McGillicuddy's cinnamon.
Yes.
And we've now had Dr. McGillicuddy's menthol mint, which we love.
Yes.
So her thing is like-
If it's ice cold, continue.
Thank you.
She's looking at this and saying, one says whiskey, one just says cinnamon.
So then is Fireball just going to say, no, it's right on the label.
And then she'll say, they'll go back and forth like this.
She'll say through her lawyers, yes, but they already look exactly the same.
That's what the New York Times article is saying from her lawyer.
It's talking about like, yeah, those words are different, but the logo being the same and everything else being the same is intentional like deception with the aesthetic.
Right.
Damn.
We need access to the emails.
Yeah.
Yep. Also, this sounds like a good um american crime story the fireball kerfuffle thing maybe i can play the lady fireball show
well is that it for booze news wrap it up
okay nice so um i'm nervous yeah i don't know i i haven't i haven't heard anything from the Okay. Nice.
I'm nervous.
Yeah, I don't know.
I haven't heard anything from the trickster.
So we're just going to hang around and just see.
We have no plan for this episode.
That was just spooky when we got that piece of mail from him last time.
And we are all assembled in person.
Which he wanted.
He demanded.
So we got together. It sounded like that was good for him.
Okay, what is this?
What is this?
I didn't know you had a door.
I always knock when I get here.
Well, I have a doorbell.
Yeah, but I always just knock.
That's on you.
That's how I do it.
Okay.
Well, I'm a little sort of wedged in with the mic and everything.
Tim, can you just get the door?
Oh, yeah, I'll get the door.
It's a box! What? How the hell did the box get out there oh my god there's a box we just walked past there yeah wait a minute so that that that really is
that really didn't happen here bring tim and i just walked in here and there wasn't a box outside
and you haven't left yet, Jeff. Correct. Okay.
Does it say something?
Oh, there's a note.
Oh, my God.
Mike, why don't you read that?
Read it nice and slow.
We'll put some creepy music under it.
The week's at an end.
I'm guessing this is from The Trickster.
It's kind of a fancy box, by the way.
Yeah, it's nice.
It looks red leather with some brass.
Some trim.
It looks like a banker's box.
The week's at end.
It's time, I think, to make your best old-fashioned drink.
Slow down, slow down.
Pump up the drama, you know?
Good, good, right, right, right.
Adding this time, if you dare.
We'll start from the top.
Okay.
The week's at end.
It's time, I think, to make your best old-fashioned drink.
Adding this time, if you dare, a note that dances in the air.
Reveal to me your deep desires.
Where there's smoke, there must be fires.
What?
With every choice, with every turn,
every sloppy boy will burn.
The trickster.
Oh, my God.
I don't like this at all.
I don't know where that came from.
I don't like this deep desire thing.
He signed it again where the body of the letter is kind of block letters,
and then he gets the bottom of this little swirly, like a signature.
The trickster.
The trickster.
How do you know his voice? I don't know. That's just my
interpretation.
I look at that like the trickster.
Because he's got a
voice modulation.
He's got one of these.
So an old-fashioned cocktail
but then there's some
fire element that dances
upon it. I hope it's not fireball.
Yeah, I don't know because we don't want to get
into all that legalese.
Let's let that thing just settle out.
That was in Booze News. Booze News is wrapped up.
Let's put it away. We're not doing that.
We'll open the box, somebody. Tim, open it up.
Tim, you open it.
Ooh, I got a feeling.
Okay, we're unboxing.
Okay, what the fuck?
What do we got?
Oh, boy, I know what this is. got oh boy I know what this is
holy shit I know what this is
it's scary
listen to that baby
okay
yep I've dealt
with these before
whoa fuck
careful okay
I've not dealt with these before
This, I've had
If I think this is
I know this is
It's a smoke infuser
Yes
We're infusing smoke into a drink
Are there
There's little cans
Are there different flavors?
What is that going on?
There's another little note
This is
Oh my god
Oh, the note says choose
Choose
Okay, folks
Here's what we got going on here.
There are these little tins of wood chips.
There's oak, cherry, apple, and pecan.
Ooh.
Damn.
Oh, you're scared about that.
And what is this?
Oh, shit.
This is like a little-
I think that goes in the top.
Flying saucer that you sit on top and then the chips.
Wait, I just saw somebody do this.
I saw this at Dresden.
No shit.
I got something like this for my brother for Christmas.
No shit.
Different style, though.
Have you done this?
His was a different style.
It has a big hose in it.
Yeah, it's a little different than this.
This is like a gun.
It's so weird.
So the trickster gave us a nice gift?
Yeah, I don't know
Like a gift
That you would give
To your brother
Who you love
Yeah
The trickster acted like
This was gonna be
Some sort of
Jeez
Maybe that's the big trick
He comes at you
Like he's
And I'm afraid
Of what the implications are
Once I pick
I wanna pick cherry
Because
Oh yeah
I think of like
You're a cherry loving guy
I'm a cherry loving guy This is all There's kind of like A You're a cherry-loving guy. I'm a cherry-loving guy.
There's kind of like a little cocaine spoon
to get the chips into.
Oh, geez. Trickster.
Mr. Studio 54.
And look, we got a...
This is like a little filter. I think that's where you put
in the chips. Put in the wood chips.
This is some fun-ass shit, man. This is cool.
What was it? Cherry, hickory, and...
Oak, cherry, pecan uh apple oh so
oakwood oak well and these are all like that's that's just a type of tree and those all make
sense for like an old-fashioned but yeah but like i doubt the apple tastes like apple right it's
probably apple wood or who knows let's see what's that apple apple would smoke bacon maybe
that's what that comes from.
I get it.
Right.
It's not like it doesn't smell like artificial apple or anything.
I think it's like apple wood.
And I would say that probably the same deal with the cherry thing.
So now he wants us to infuse.
I want to smell something.
Oh, yeah.
Tim's getting all the smell.
Yeah, Tim's hogging all the smell.
Trickster. It's possible that I have COVID because I didn't smell anything. Mr. Trickster, Tim hog getting all the smell Yeah Tim's hogging all the smell Trickster
Mr. Trickster
Tim's hogged all the smells
Let me take a smell
Oh great
I'll smell apple now
Oh
I don't really smell anything either
Yeah wait a minute
Maybe you have to burn it to unlock
The smell The chips The chips are alive Yeah, wait a minute. Maybe you have to burn it to unlock the smell.
The chips.
The chips are alive.
This one smells...
Oak smells like glue to me.
Ew.
Ew, nasty.
Well, I choose cherry.
How about you guys?
We're doing three different?
It said on the note we got to choose.
Okay, I'm going to go oak.
Oak, okay. I was was gonna do the pecan.
Love that.
Should we...
He wants us to make these now?
Yeah, I guess so.
We better or otherwise we'll be assassinated.
I don't know what's gonna happen.
Or we'll burn?
Oh no, I guess that's probably just a reference to the...
Oh yeah.
Let's make the things and I'm gonna going to taste my Old Fashioned real quick
and then do this.
Okay, good.
To see the infusion.
Okay, so this wooden disc on top,
when that's happening,
I guess that holds the smoke in for a second?
Wait, there's more.
There's a user's manual.
The trickster included the manufacturer's instructions.
Yeah, you basically put that little cap on
and put your pieces of wood in that little mesh thing.
You torch it, and then you put the lid on top of the lid.
So all the smoke just kind of goes into the drink.
It goes down.
For how long do you let it sit there?
Well, let's take a little read here.
Because I feel like at bars, they don't leave it for a very long time.
It's like seconds. Yeah. The one I went to
it's like you put it in this big jug and you like roll
it for a little while to
get going. I've also seen ones where it's like a big
bell jar type thing where they put
the whole glass in a smoke.
This is just like a wood
lid we're going to put on an old fashioned glass.
This just says cover up the smoker hole
And I always like when
Instructions do something like this
On the very last one
Take off the lid and enjoy your drink
Don't forget that it's fun too
Alright folks well
We're gonna prep these
And when we come back
Damn
Or torch him up.
Torch time, baby.
This is exciting.
And Trickster,
if you're listening,
thank you for the kind gift.
Yeah.
Thanks for tricking us.
Yeah, thanks for
the ultimate trick.
He was nice.
He was nice.
I welcome this sort of trick.
I was so tricked.
I hope we see the
Trickster more.
Oh, nice. Oh, don't torch your dick. I shouldn't. see the trickster more. Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee he And we're back. Old-fashioned's in hand. They taste great.
They taste great.
We want to make sure we like the base old-fashioned to start.
And we didn't use a specific recipe.
We're all old-fashioned drinkers,
so we just made ourself a custom old-fashioned to our own taste.
Yeah, I am now putting a little bit of my...
That's perfect.
Yeah.
My little wood chips, my pecan wood chips into the topper here.
Topper is on top here How much
How did you know
How many scoops to do
I was just gonna say
Where's that
Where's the user
I think the trickster
Took it back
I just kinda glanced at this
How did you drink whiskey ice
Okay
Place your smoker
On top of the thing
Pour a pinch
Of chosen wood chips
Like a pinch
That's a pinch That's a pinch
That's pinchy enough
Hold the torch steady for about 5-7 seconds above the wood chips
And burn them until smoke drips into the glass
Oh, then cover up the smoke
Right
Where's that? Great
Here we go
1, 2, 3, 4
Ooh, it's going down
It's oozing Okay, now, three, four. Ooh, it's going down. It's oozing.
Okay, now lid it, baby.
The lid is on.
There is smoke in the drink.
Damn, dude.
Ooh, it smells good in here.
Ooh, it does smell good in here.
That's a really cool...
That's very simple.
Yeah.
I think you're good, man.
I'm going to leave it for a little bit.
Okay, I'm going to grab a trash so we can empty out that thing.
Or Tim, you use this little guy right there.
I mean, my guess is like the longer you keep the smoke in there,
the more flavor you'll get.
That's my theory as well.
Now, Jeff, you know what you could also do with this?
He's out of the room.
Well, Tim, I'll tell you.
You can also smoke cheese with this. I'm not going to do this. He's out of the room. Well, Tim, I'll tell you. You can also smoke
cheese with this.
I'm not going to do that.
Gouda? I don't know.
You think I'm smoking gouda? You could, though.
You know what would be cool is if
these drinks came out all the way out to your table
and then you pulled the lid off yourself.
There should be a little coaster on there
and then...
I mean, we could use a coaster and just trap
it and trap it or i mean i've seen a bartender do this and they only do it for a couple of seconds
yeah i'm gonna do if you wanted a hot box that like hanford's doing look at that i put a coaster
on top now just to keep the infuse going there's a quick swap i'm gonna see if i can
switch out the chips without burning my fingers. Actually, Tim, why don't you start fresh?
Thank you.
In the meantime, I'll do my chips.
This is cool.
Yeah.
The one I got my brother, like I said, had like...
And you don't need to use as many chips, I guess.
Okay.
Just like one scoop?
Yeah, like barely.
The one I got my brother had like a motor,
like sucked in air while you lit the thing,
and this hose, this rubber hose went into the drink.
It was more complicated than this.
Like a dab machine?
Yeah, but more complicated. Maybe in a bad way.
Okay, I am
grilling.
Grilling and thrilling.
Other way.
Yep.
One, two.
Oh wait, where's the fucking lid? One, two. Oh, wait. Where's the fucking lid?
One, two.
Keep it going.
Am I...
Is it possible we're running out of gas?
Let me see.
I think it's just like a slow pull.
Oh, now you're getting a nice jumper.
Oh, that's cool.
Look at that smoke dump.
Lit it.
That looks really cool.
Lit it.
Yeah.
Jeff, we'll take a video of yours.
I'm going to pull mine and take a sip.
Yeah, start sipping.
Ooh, that smells like a campfire in there.
Mm.
Mm-mm-mm.
Ooh.
He likes it.
It's a hint.
A hint?
From the fixture. Give us a hint. A hint? From the fixture.
Give us a hint as to how it tastes.
Are you getting, so it's more of the smell and the essence than the actual taste?
I think so.
Is it a note that dances in the air?
That's right.
That's what he said.
That's exactly what it is.
Adding this time, if you dare, a note that dances in the air.
It's definitely, I say for Tim's, keep the factory lid on.
Don't do like a...
But shouldn't you do like a sip immediately after you take the lid off?
Right, but what I'm saying is like what I did is I switched out and put a coaster on top.
You lost some good smoke.
I think I lost some good...
Let's keep it.
Tim's is like really...
You kept it for a long time though
Didn't you?
Yeah but I'm gonna keep it a little longer
It is
It's really more of a
Suede by the smell thing
Like my glass smells like
I think that's probably
What it is
Is less about infusing
And more about just the
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Pass that smoker to me now, Timmy.
As soon as I hit you at the top, I'm going to take a sip.
Great.
Thank you.
Ooh.
He got a big whiff.
He's just breathing in smoke at this point.
Hey, we should do this with weed.
Has anyone ever done it with weed?
Actually, that's a good idea.
Come on.
I don't have weed.
You don't have weed?
Ooh, that's hot.
That would be so funny to get a noseful of weed while you're cooking.
All right, take your sips.
I'm going to do my little thing.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Delicious campfire smell.
Mm-hmm.
And it lingers on the glass, and it gives a smoky experience.
Yeah, I'm not so much getting the taste, but it's in there, you know?
Yeah, if someone handed this to me and said, like, do you taste cedar?
I'd say no.
Well, not cedar.
Not cedar.
I mean a pica.
But if you didn't know shit about shit, what this drink was, and it was just sitting there,
and you took a sip, you're like, oh, an old-fashioned.
You go, smoky.
Yeah.
Even though the smoke's not hitting your tongue, it's hitting your schnoz.
It's just getting the idea to you.
Okay, now me, I'm not going to let the smoke hang for too long.
I'm going to go right to sips.
Love it.
Okay.
Ooh.
Ooh, yes.
Yeah?
Nice.
Rustic, huh?
Hey, cheers.
To the trickster.
Salud.
To the trickster.
To the trickster.
He's a good guy.
We like that trickster.
Or girl, we don't know
what the trickster is.
That's true, yeah.
Do we?
We're just so conditioned
from the Batman
that the Riddler
and the Joker
are the guys.
Sure, sure.
And the trickster
maybe is something different.
Now, the smoke is visibly gone from my glass, but it is sort of sticking to the insides of the glass.
Yeah.
It's a nice feeling.
Let me smell yours.
It's a nice vibe.
Let me smell yours.
Cherry versus...
I guess the apple does smell a little different.
I have pecan.
Oh, pecan.
Let me smell yours, T.
Oh, slight differences. Slight smell yours, T. Oh, slight differences.
Slight differences, yes.
Yes, yes.
Slight differences.
The way wood burns is a slight difference.
Well, that's pretty good.
I think pine might be good.
Pine, I think.
Do we have pine?
I want my log.
No, we've got apple.
What's the other one?
Apple.
Oak.
I can get you pine.
You want pine?
I can get you pine.
I'm fine.
I could go find a tree.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, so if we want more chips, like wood chips for this,
do we have to go through the Trickster, you think?
Or do we have to?
Probably Amazon would be fine.
Okay. I think Trickster.com has them.
This better not be SpawnCon.
No.
Sponsored content.
Sponsored concert.
I'm going to redux my chips.
I'm doing some cherry because I thought that that was kind of good.
I put that right there.
Perfect.
Get a Jeff a vid as it's getting burnt.
We'll do a little vid.
A little vid.
People want to see that online.
Yes, yes.
Look what I have created.
Oh, yeah.
Cool.
I am James Bond.
Oh, shaken.
Not exactly scared.
I am James.
James Bond.
I am James Bond.
Okay.
This guy's name is James Bond.
We know his name now.
He's at it nice and slow for us.
I'm taking a sip.
My name is James.
You get a nice big whiff of that smoke the first sip, huh?
I mean, I really feel like for a second there, I'm up in Yosemite, you know?
There's nothing more rustic than getting a face full of smoke.
That's true.
I'm going to re-up my smoke.
Yeah.
You know what?
You're supposed to keep smoking these every couple of sips.
Yeah, yeah.
When you get them out of the bar, they bring you
out a gun and they just keep going and going.
Ooh.
Now, Hanford, you don't care what chips.
You're just going.
I've used whatever chips Tim was just using.
They're all burnt.
I'm going to get some good smoke. It's insane.
I've never heard of someone doing this with weed.
We're going to be famous when we do this.
Yeah, really.
We should act on it because we didn't act on the fireball thing. We could not have. We didn't act on half our shit. What's our fucking problem? that's gonna that we're gonna be famous when we do this yeah really yeah we should well we should
act out because we didn't act on the fireball thing we could not act on half our shit what's
our fucking problem we didn't act on acid adjusted orange juice no oh wait didn't you get that you
have it yeah i know but i don't have orange juice i don't have orange juice that's tougher to get
sometimes but you're saying uh the weed is a that's the weed i mean if we came up with a cocktail
that's an innovation. It was like...
We should cut this out and not air this.
Yeah, yeah, I'll cut it.
No, just bleep all the weed parts.
Yeah, yeah.
Ooh, how's that sip, sip?
It really is.
I like, you know me, I like campfires.
I like fire places.
You're wearing a shirt that says Tahoe.
Lake Tahoe.
You know they got campfires up there, I'm sure.
I've never been. My parents got me this shirt. You would love it up there. Lake Tahoe. You know they got campfires up there. I'm sure. I've never been. My parents got campfires.
You would love it up there. It's great.
It's a big ski town.
Ooh, I love skiing.
Here's what's great about Tahoe. You drive way,
way, way up in the mountains, and you get up there
and you see a giant lake.
How'd this even happen?
Big lake in the mountains.
You know what I like even more than Tahoe?
A little place called Aspen. You know what I like? Oh, interesting. You know what I like even more than Tahoe? A little place called Aspen.
You know, I would say, without naming names,
there's a certain vacation spot that if they just changed one letter,
people would...
Oh, look at that.
Oh, my God.
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
I'm trying to say call it Lake Taco.
Right.
Yeah. You could call it... And you'd have to'm trying to call it Lake Taco. Right. Yeah, you could call it.
And you'd have to change more than one.
Speaking of tacos, we went to the new
Two Madre restaurant, huh?
It's a wonderful patio.
Soft open. The Sloppy Boys were invited
after practice.
Soft tacos and soft open.
Yeah, it was good.
Damn good.
Two Lotto Taco?
That's not going to last.
That can't last.
Oh, that's going to be a bar.
That's going to get you in the door?
That's going to get you in the door.
Me, brisket, chicken, KBBQ.
Lamb.
Me too.
And other stuff.
I forget.
And I didn't know which one I was eating.
Here comes the smoke.
Oh, shoot.
Man, it really sends you.
The smoke smell.
I feel like I'm in Vermont.
I feel like you take the smoke sip,
and you're thinking to yourself,
I'd like to have right in front of me a fireplace
with one of those kind of edges of it,
or those like bulby rocks, you know,
those big sort of round rocks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oof. It doesn't even have to be that fancy for me.
Right now when I'm taking a sip,
I'm like, ooh, it's giving Dura Flame.
Damn.
Mine needs to be fancy.
It needs to be one of those huge walk-in fireplaces.
I've never actually used one of those,
but they look great.
I thought that this was going to be a gimmick.
No, it's pretty cool.
I think it's actually a little bit of a substantive add, flavor-wise.
And the design of that little topper is cool.
Experience-wise.
Well, we've learned a lot about how you can be swayed by the smell in a good way, right?
We love having mint in our drinks.
We love having orange, expressing orange oils over our drinks.
This takes it to a whole new level where it's a real stink on there in a good way.
I'm loving the smoke.
I'm loving the smoke. And usually, you know, me as a Mortal Kombat player, I don't like the smoke.
Who's the smoke?
He's one of the characters that I think.
Oh, I'm less of a Mortal Kombat guy.
He's a Street Fighter guy.
I think he's got the design of, like, Reptile and Scorpion.
Yeah, and they just turn him gray.
And he's smoke.
And sometimes he shows up.
You know that at my pizzeria when I was a kid, we had the arcade game Street Fighter 2.
Oh, fuck.
We had Outrun.run oh that's another classic
cruising usa oh we'd swap them out yeah that's a redundant turtles oh yeah oh yeah yeah what's
outrun outrun is uh the old racing cruising outrun was it was like uh a guy and a girl in a in a red
convertible yeah driving on the beach and then then, you know, it was really weird.
Tim, that's renowned for its soundtrack
and in fact, a lot of people
call
synthwave music
Outrun.
Outrun music? No shit.
The nickname for the genre is Outrun.
I think we turned the music down because it was
a restaurant, but it's like
does it sound like uh does it
sound like the weekend oh that does give me that blinded by the light yeah you know it's weird
though all the games like you know it's a it was a pizzeria with an ice cream parlor so there's like
those are all fun games but then at one point we replaced what we had like rented the games for company and then at one point we had narc yeah yeah yeah like the gun yeah all the other
ones that were like these light-hearted kids games and then suddenly it was like narc is like
i think you're like dea and you're like busting people and shooting them and killing them oh
there's there's if a dark so what i'm thinking of there's a the animation that's like it's
realistic looking people kind of moving choppily rather than cartoonish figures.
Or it's like Area 51 is the other one.
Mm-hmm.
Outrun is like, it has a steering wheel, right?
But you don't sit down.
Right.
That's fun.
Yeah, you stand up.
You stand up and push the pedal.
Do you remember the Aerosmith shooting game?
Oh, yeah.
Wait, we played that.
Love in an Elevator?
It's called Revolution X.
Did we play that in
Portland?
Portland. Didn't we go to that little
barcade? I don't remember. I remember playing that
that, uh, that, what was that
crazy game?
It's like Queen Bee or like Hornet
Frenzy or like
that like... Killer Queen? That like six versus six. Killeret Frenzy or like that.
Killer Queen?
That like six versus six.
It was a Killer Queen.
Yeah, yeah. That was in Ashland.
Oh, okay.
Sorry, Carolina.
Okay.
Well, the bad guys in Revolution X, the Aerosmith game, their logo is N-O-N, and it looks a
lot like the Nine Inch Nails logo.
Like old school Aerosmith is like, we don't like that new shit those are the bad guys
and you like you like shoot cds out yeah yeah yeah it's weird and you don't really like
kind of has nothing to do with aerosmith except for the cds did either of you ever in in its
heyday did you ever get into dance dance revolution no no i think i played it once
but i didn't know it was good.
It's hard.
It's very hard.
And it was like, I didn't like a video game that made you sweaty.
Yeah.
I was at Dave & Buster's a month ago, and it was fun playing some basketball games and
stuff.
And seeing the kids still playing DDR, like, they're good at it and like, you know.
Yeah.
Kind of doing the moves, but also making themselves like look
good yeah you know what i mean like like putting flourish in the moves it was cool um that feels
like a little that feels a little younger than us doesn't it yeah like like we were in college
when those started coming out yeah maybe well i'm a young guy at heart yeah who was that you know
that like dance crew they have like white masks which one? Jabberwocky is it? Oh Is that
Am I crazy?
No yeah yeah
Jabberwockies or something
Yeah
Are they on like
America's Got Talent or something?
Something like that yeah
Um
Buster passed away
Of Dave and Buster's
Oh wow
Oh I saw that
Recently?
Uh yeah
Three weeks ago
He was 72
Dang
Hmm
Ooh that's crazy I guess we should pour these out for him Win win Three weeks ago, he was 72. Dang. That's great.
I guess we should pour these out for him.
Win-win.
Dave Buster's is a very fun place.
I didn't know about it for a long time, and then I knew about it, and I like it.
What's their tagline?
Like, food game win?
Where a kid can be a kid again.
Oh, it's like bing, bing, bing.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
Didn't your sex toys say ding, ding, ding on them?
The sex ball says ding, ding, ding on them? Yeah, the sex ball says ding ding ding on them.
Food game win.
It says ding dong.
Yeah, that's right.
Jam it up with your ding dong.
Well, on that somber note,
do we take a break and go to commercials?
Yes, please.
All right, folks.
Sponsored ad break.
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and when we come back,
we'll have a second round of these smoky,
sinful cocktails.
Some of you,
some of you,
oh, the trickster,
you've been back.
I don't know,
this is just my
interpretation.
Some of you don't have to
listen to the commercials,
of course,
because you're
in our Patreon,
Patreon tiers.
Yeah.
So you don't get ads
and you get a whole lot more,
but some of you like the ads,
so keep going.
And we're back with round two.
Tim and I just torched up some apple.
What was it?
Apple.
Apple.
Yeah, nobody had an apple.
Smoky, delicious, makes you feel like you're in tahoe now i thought this was going to be a gimmick like uh no it works a cheap trick
not and not and not we're not gonna think i was gonna surrender to that fact
but also not trick like the trickster i thought that that seeing this out, I was like, I don't need all that extra ornamentation on my old fashion.
And I come to think that I kind of enjoy it.
Yeah, it's good.
It's subtle.
Get your friends together.
Torch some chips.
That's good.
It is one of those like you bring some people over for a movie.
You do a little torching.
Everyone says, oh, this is so cool.
You're so cool.
You do a little.
Yep.
Yep.
You be safe with it. You cool it cool. Do a little. Yep. Yep. You'd be safe with it.
You cool it down.
Drink it up.
Final thoughts.
Order again.
Order again.
Yeah.
Order again.
Love it.
So fun.
But here's the thing, folks.
You're going to want to get that gun in your hands.
Don't let the bartender do it for you.
Half the fun is in the gun.
And I'm pro gun in general.
Across the board. Yeah. It's our second amendment right. Big I'm pro-gun in general. Across the board.
It's our second amendment right.
You're a big 2A guy, right?
Yeah.
If you go to a bar, you're not going to
really run into a bartender who's like,
no, I don't want you to take this flamethrower
from me, the professional.
You're not going to run into that.
You're not going to run into that.
You take it, pass it around.
When I'm at a French restaurant and they bring out
the creme brulee,
they let me torch it myself.
I go back in the kitchen
a lot of times
and say,
let me see some of those knives.
Yeah.
I just want to see
what you're working with.
Ooh, Ginsu.
But you're right,
the tactile experience
is where it's at.
Mike, you normally say,
oh, I'd have a professional
make this.
Right.
Don't have a professional
make it.
Today, you become
the professional.
You become the professional.
You wield the burner.
You're ready for it.
Wield the torch.
Now, I wonder where, because I've seen these on Amazon, so people listening to this, you
find them on Amazon.
It's, what is it called?
Infuser?
Drink infuser?
Smoke infuser?
Smoker.
Yeah, what does it say on the front of the-
Cocktail smoker.
Gotcha.
There you go.
Boosh.
So, look at that.
I wonder how much they are.
Yeah, I know.
Only the trickster knows for sure.
Well, hold on. He's at that. I wonder how much they are. I know. Only the trickster knows for sure. Hold on.
He's not saying.
What's the incoming message?
From an unknown sender.
Wait, but I would, you know all those senders.
Yeah.
Boys, boys, boys.
Oh my God.
Bravo.
You did not
disappoint.
I've learned so
much about you.
Of course,
I predicted that
Timothy would select the oak
and Jefferson
the cherry.
Oh, but Michael,
choosing the pecan?
You are full of surprises,
aren't you,
sloppy boys?
I knew this was going
to be fun.
I'll be following your show
with great interest.
Until next time.
The Jigs down!
Whoa.
Following with great
interest makes me, like, is that
for good or bad?
It seemed a little menacing when he said that.
He gave us a gift.
If he had said moderate interest,
it would be whatever.
Or like passive interest.
When he said that, you know, when whatever. Or like passive interest. Right, right.
When he said that he got mine wrong, what I chose, he was going like tis-tics.
I thought he was kissing.
I thought he was doing a little, which he might have been.
We don't know.
We don't know this trickster.
He sounds a lot like General Grievous.
Do you think he's doing an impression?
Kenobi.
Yeah, yeah.
Did General Grievous, he had
a respiratory problem? He was half
machine, half organic
beast. And not to mention Vader.
He's very similar to Vader. Okay.
He's more machine than man
now.
Micromachines. Micromachines.
They should make movies about how Anakin
went from young boy
To being Vader
The most evil man in the universe
Now Vader
The evil Darth Man
The man with the dark cloak
Yes
He does thy bidding
Emperor Palpatine
Choke you from across the room he could He does thy bidding of Emperor Palpatine.
Choke you from across the room, he could.
Who's this newsboy?
Choke you from across the room, he could.
It's Darth Vader, I've heard of him.
Choke you from across the room, he could.
You know what's really funny?
Psychometric hand he has.
Remember in the first Star Wars A New Hope When Vader's like
He's flying a little TIE fighter
He looks so dumb in there
And then after the Death Star explodes
He's like
He's like spinning around right
Seeing this big powerful guy who can use the force
Just like flying a little plane is so fun
And then like after that move they're like
Okay he's gotta have high status
He doesn't get in the
dog fights. He later does that go
upside down. They did the thing where the camera
like spins around to make it look like he's
spinning around. Wow.
Damn.
Well. This is exciting though. Trickster.
I was kind of hoping for some resolution
on the trickster's identity.
Oh no I don't think we're getting that for a long time.
He's good. I would say he I don't think we're getting that for a long time. He's good.
I would say he's Paul Dano.
From the movies.
Yeah.
From Fableman.
From films.
We don't have to pay him for that.
He's from The Girl Next Door.
Oops.
He wasn't The Girl Next Door, but he started in Little Miss Sunshine, let's not forget.
I think that was after The Girl Next Door.
Huh?
Yeah, he's been a, he's been, I think he's like a child actor.
He's the original moon-faced boy.
Well, I have a lot to learn about Paul Dano.
Yeah?
It's going to be a Wikipedia night for you.
You should shadow me a few days.
Follow me around as I, you know.
Search the web.
As I search the web.
You know, you pick up a lot of Dano-isms from Tim.
Yep.
I drink your shake.
It's his son and partner, H.W., if I remember correctly.
Well, I wish we could close the book on the old trickster,
but it seems like this is the sort of thing that could go on for weeks or even months.
Yeah, I have a feeling.
Or even years.
In the words of the governator, he'll be back.
Right. It does seem that way. Yeah, baby got back. months yeah i have a feeling even years in the words of the governator he'll be back right it
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Yeah, it's too much.
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We love you, Trickster.
Tsk, tsk.
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