The Sloppy Boys - 26. Bee's Knees

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

With Spring having sprung, the guys sample a Prohibition-era delight.BEE’S KNEES RECIPE1.77oz/52.5ml Dry Gin.75oz/22.5ml Lemon Juice.75oz/22.5ml Orange Juice2tsp Honey SyrupStir honey syrup with lemon and orange juices until it dissolves, add gin and shake with ice. Strain into chilled cocktail glass.Recipes via the International Bartenders Association (https://www.iba-world.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford Whoa! And Tim Kalpakis What is up? And we're your hosts, the Sloppy Boys. Michael, crack in a crispy coldy crack.

Little SFX. I'm drinking an ode to Rooster McConaughey's son, a Miller Lite. Yes. Yes. You got to love that can, the Miller Lite can. L-I-T-E. It doesn't even say Miller on it. They just trust,

you know, have you driven by the, is it a brewery or like a distribution center where like the, the giant silos distribution? Yeah. Yeah. They're painted like giant cans. Yeah.

They're pretty cool. Um, you know why that can just says light on it is that back in the seventies, Miller bought a company called light that just made light beer. That's where the Miller Light came from. Were they like the first group to do light? Light brisket?

They had that whole thing where people didn't, men didn't want light beer, so then when Miller bought it, they had to be like, tastes great and it's less filling, and they didn't even broadcast the fact that it had lower calories because men were like, I don were like, I want calories, man. I need my calories. I want to be fat.

I want every last calorie there is. I went to the grocery store today. Nice. Hoping to find some of that Topo Chico. Okay. Oh, that's out now? I mean, it's out in stores? People are, I'm seeing it out in the world, but couldn't find it today.

Ooh, that sucks. You struck out. Wait, and Mike, why do you have to ask? Do you not listen to Booze News? It was covered on this broadcast. Booze News is kind of like, I sort of tune out until I have something to say about Booze News. You what? But I'm kind of done.

I'm kind of done. You're over it? That's a moment for me to take a break and just charge up for the drink. It's times like this I wish I could just kill you. And how would you go about doing that? Well, I would buy a firearm, but with background checks and all that stuff, there's just too many obstacles to buying a gun.

Then I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. Now, hey, we mentioned, well, a type of seltzer. Sure. Yes. And that brings us into a little type of a segment that is called Bip, bip, bip, bip, hit it!

Ooh, it's booze news, you filthy animal. This just in. Vermouth month has been cancelled. Negronis will fuck you up. A bull shot ain't bullshit. Life is a golden dream. The Bud Light Seltzer Sweater Pack isn't even a cocktail, but whatever, it's booze news.

I like my Russians white. Wait, that sounds bad. Breaking news. Cuba Libra's in. Rum and Coke's out. Booze news, you fuck. What's the matter? Can't you handle a little booze news you twat

wow sent to us by company k that a little bit of a fairs bueller kind of a thing yeah oh yeah i believe it did tim uh that sounds like this person was typing, doing that like type speak thing. Yeah, they used all the accents, didn't they? The file is called text to speech reads the booze news. There you go. I thought I heard toward the end there, was that a Wilhelm scream? That, ah, the famous film scream. If you've got a booze news theme song, send it in to the sloppyboyspodcast at gmail.com.

Okay, guys, what do we always pretty much talk about in this segment? We started the show and we said, let's be on top of what's happening in the culture and the zeitgeist. And every week we pretty much end up talking about Seltzer. Art Seltzer.

Seltzer. Seltzer's the thing. Good God. Let's get away from the seltzer well you want to get away from it but at the same time it's like that's what's happening out there so we're we have we're like grizzled journalists who are who are getting drunk and we're mad that we have to cover so we're gonna still talk about yeah we're still okay okay well probably it seems like i would never i wouldn't make us talk about a boring aspect of it there's

something interesting that happened because we talked about the Topo Chico's. We do whole episodes about the Bud Light. But who started it all? White Claw. There you go. The White Claw. I found this was very interesting.

White Claw has just now launched its first ad campaign. Its first real global ad campaign. Wow. Because they never needed to. They let social media tear it. It's just been word of mouth. Isn't that crazy? No.

The summer of 2019, it was all just word of mouth, and it was viral. People made enough memes about it, and you had people saying, ain't no law when you're drinking the claw, and none of that came from White Claw. People should make more memes about us. Yeah.'t mind that yeah geez slop heads get on it hey also make us a fucking wikipedia we don't know how to do that oh hey now we're getting somewhere put us on there

i don't none of us have individual pages it's crazy no i don't think so. I'm an Emmy nominee. Okay. Put that on there. Tim go back. It's Emmy nominee. Source. Needed. This is a stub. The, the white caught.

So, so they just came up with this ad campaign and it's called let's white claw. No. Kind of like how do you wait? Call. It was so much better when they were just crowdsourcing and letting people do it like i mean well they can't say ain't no law when you're drinking the

claw but i mean but let's white claw let's white claw um and they came out with a commercial. They've got commercials now airing on TV. The Merch? The Merch. And we haven't seen these yet, so I wanted to send you guys the link. Gadouge, here's a one-minute commercial from White Claw. And I figured this would be kind of a cool live watch type of thing where we all, we hit play together. This could be a popular video, like sloppy boys react to.

Exactly. So if you want to start at the very beginning and we have to say three, two, one play, and then we'll all hit play on the word play and, um, and you know, share our reactions as we watch. Okay, great. And what's going on? Should we say what's going on or are we trusting you at home? We'll and what's going on should we say what's going on or are we trusting you at home we'll describe what's going on because i i guess i have an image in my head of what i think white claw is but i have no idea what the company thinks they are and who oh right right right are you guys ready to click play yes three two one Three, two, one. Okay. So it's sort of a Lizzo knockoff. Okay, yeah.

Black and white. Oh, very much a Lizzo. People in balloons. Some skateboarding. That's sort of what I thought of. Look, they're young, they're hip. There's a lot of sports going on. Roller sports.

Roller skating. Roller skating, skateboarding, headphones. Hip, very hip people. I'm surprised we're not in this. I think I caught a glimpse of us in there. Disco ball in the fridge. Oh. We're dancing.

We're cheersing on the beach at night. Cheersing on the beach. Yep. A little volleyball. Good. I'm seeing a lot of dyed hair, a lot of cool looks. Yeah, it's just sort of like jumping around, throwing paint around here.

We're shaking our hair. Uh-huh. Is this not the real Lizzo, Jeff? Is this a knockout? If I was Lizzo, I would be embarrassed if I followed up. Okay. What's feeling good? But that piano loop, though, I definitely know that as a real song.

Wait, Jeff, what you just said, the good as hell, that sounds a lot like the song I sang when I met Lizzo that one time. Remember I had the diarrhea and I had to shit myself? Yeah, and you had to check for turds, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Now, was that a blowout? Yeah, in one way or another, it quite was a blowout, Jeff.

Blow on my ass. I got to say that the name, Let's White Claw, I was getting ready to hate that. But I think that they kind of, it's hard, coolness is a hard thing for an ad campaign to do. But those people were cool. It was kind of scrappier, like a shaky camera, chilled out black and white. I was afraid it was going to be

really glossy and cheesy. Well, you know what it reminds me of is like Levi's had a campaign that was all black and white and sort of Kerouac-y like that. Oh, yeah. And it was called like Get Lost or something like that. Get Lost, asshole. Or like Wild and Free

or whatever. But, you know, they're trying to be cool. They got the coolest people they could find to look like they're having fun and we're all invited. You know what I thought there?

It was all black and white and I thought to myself, White Claw's not a black and white company. This is exciting stuff. And then when they show the can at the end, it really pops off all black and white. And I thought to myself, White Claw is not a black and white company. This is exciting stuff. And then when they show the can at the end, it really pops off the black and white. So yes, now I'm getting it. Now I want to actually enjoy this thing. Okay. Do you think that that was intentional that they, that when they show this commercial, they're hoping people would want to drink the drink from it? Yeah. By the end,

they want people to drink it. I mean, it does stand out to, if you're the biggest drink, if you're the big beverage and you have a black and white commercial, you're zigging when they expect you to zag, you know? They feel like they got it in the bag. They don't need to impress us. They're just like, we're White Claw,

you know it, let's White Claw together. Do you remember when... Don't whore us, get to the core us. Some of the first videos we made before Birthday Boys even, we were like, hey, yeah, we'll make internet videos and our thing will be that they're in black and white.

Yikes. What a dumb thing. And then IFC, when we did have a show, we had some sketches that were in black and white and they were like, please don't do black and white for our, if you see our metrics, it's just an instant turnoff.

Like people do not instantly change the channel if it's black and white. Well, that's why clerks too is in color because the studio told Kevin Smith, like we will not make a black and white movie. So it's this or nothing, dude. Yeah. And they even,

IFC was even like sepia, please sepia. That's fine. Just put a little brown in there. And we were like, hey, we got brown in the back of our pants. We're fine with putting some of that on. And not just a little. We're talking long logs, folks. I can't get away from this stuff.

Can't run fast enough to get away from it hey speaking of brown and white claw they also uh just to button the white claw bit they just put out an iced tea that they're kind of following the iced tea a hard iced tea uh i feel like bud light has already done that and yeah so so it's like truly, I feel like everybody's sort of like, well, we're doing the seltzer. Now we're also doing lemonades and iced teas. It's a lot.

It's too much to try. There's too many companies trying to keep up with each other and copy this person and do that. It's not like we were all excited to have infinite choices of malt beverages. We just wanted a nice light alternative to beer. Hey, Tig's in the house. Okay, we got to pause booze news. We got fan a nice light alternative to beer. Hey, Tig's in the house. Okay, we gotta pause booze news.

We got fan favorite Tig. Tig! She's trying to tickle me. Hey Tig, tell us, what do you think of iced tea? Do you like iced tea? Do the kids even drink iced tea anymore? No, she's shaking her head no. She could not be less interested.

It's got too much caffeine for the kids. Do you want to tell them about the fort we made? Oh, we made a huge fort. Was it safe? We made a huge fort. Is it regulation? Is it up to code? It's your apartment, right?

You got your... I'm going to sleep in it tonight. You're going to sleep in that fort? Do you like iced tea? No. No. Why not? Because it has caffeine in it. Oh, and you like iced tea? No. No. Why not? Because it has caffeine in it.

Oh, and you need to sleep. You need your sleep. Now, but Tig, we know that you like milk, right? Yeah. Do you like the taste of milk? Yeah. Having good milk since the last time we talked to you? Tig, let's say you can have any drink in the world.

What is it? I want to know what the kids are thinking these days. What's the best of all drinks? Vitamin water. What flavor? Red. No. Nice try, Jeff. Guess all the colors.

Purplish. Dragon fruit? Power C? Dragon fruit? I C? Dragon fruit? No. I think it's grape. No, it's like purple-ish. Grape.

Maroon-ish? Maroon-ish? I'll take purple-ish. I don't know. Sorry to ask such a... We really didn't mean to ask a personal question that would send you into a quandary. I'll take purple-ish vitamin water.

That's as good an answer as I was. Purplish vitamin water is the top. The tops. You heard it here first, folks. Purplish. At the dining hall. I'm not sure what they have there. And it's at the dining hall.

We'll check it out for sure. I'll keep everyone updated. Get on down to that dining hall, folks. She's going to go ask her dad. Slamming the door. For those new to the podcast, that is niece of the podcast, Tig Hanford. Ooh, the official niece of the pod. Niece of the pod.

Want to have a pod? You got to have a niece. Well, Tim, you got a niece of the pod. Oh, do I have a niece? No. You weren't sure? No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I got a niece of the pod, Scarlett, and I'll find out what her favorite vitamin water is.

Here comes the update. What is it? It's pomegranate. Pomegranate. There we go. Pomegranate vitamin water is the fave. You charged back in. You knew.

You got the answer. You were ready to announce it to the world. You asked Dad, and he said pomegranate. Dad always knows. Okay, so we're going to wrap up Boo's News. Are we wrapping up Boo's News? Yeah. All right, get out of here, you lovable little scamp.

Oh my God, he threw her out the window. There she's gone. She's gone. We got to alert child services. All right, I'll be out in a minute. Do you want to see my six pack? No. So you're telling me we're going from booze news to bees knees?

Whoa, come on now. That is right. What's next? Buzz nuzz? Hopefully. Who knows? Butts nuts? The plan was to do butts nuts next if you're okay with that.

Well, let me get into this drink here so picture this i'm picturing it it's 1920 and the sloppy boys are walking down the street in our short coat tuxedos and patent leather shoes we are dressed to the nines. Swanky. I mean, we look downright fire AF. And we duck into an alley and find a craggy old wooden door and give it a knock, knock, knock. And a little window on the door slides open and we give him the password blind tiger. And the door opens.

Inside is a raucous party filled with music and flappers and illegal hooch from wall to wall. This place is the cat's pajamas. The cat's pajamas? This place is the cat's pajamas. It's hotsy totsy. In other words,

this place is fire AF. We find a place in the bar, order ourselves three orders of this week's cocktail, the bee's knees, and quickly get ourselves spificated. Folks, it's the bee's knees today. Whoa, bro. Did you guys feel like you were in 1920s New York City? I legitimately was afraid that the cops were going to arrest me

for having a drink. Did it feel like I was reading that or I was just kind of coming up that off the top of my head? I thought you were spitting it from the dome. No, Mike, I felt like I was walking down the street and knocking on a craggy door. Yeah, yeah, the door is craggy. Yes, yes. Today we were talking about Prohibition-era drink, the bee's knees. Now, you mentioned the cat's pajamas. That's right. I always feel that's the other way. You know when you have like a – when you have a dress-up party and we're like, hey, it's an old Gatsby thing or whatever.

I feel like bee's knees and cat's pajamas are the two things that people say too much. Yes. I agree. But that – I looked it up and this word, the bee's knees phrase came from the 18th century when, and it first meant something that is very small and insignificant.

Like the knees of a bee. Or Tim, like that little thing you're always poking around in your underpants. To be fair, I am always poking it around in there small and insignificant no it's significant it's significant it's good it has a lot of meaning to a lot of people but then uh for somehow it just like became uh to mean something that's cool or swell uh and i think people think that it probably just became to mean something that's cool or swell.

And I think people think that it probably just became that because the structure is the same as the cat's pajamas or the flea's eyebrows. I saw a few more of these and I wrote them down. The cat's whiskers, the eel's ankles, the elephant's instep. Is it always the animal's thing? Yeah, the animal's something. The copybearer's spit. The copybearer's spats. Yeah, the animals, something. The copy bearers spit. The copy of bearers spats.

Yeah. These are all stretches. So this is one of those drinks where there is like, I went on Wikipedia and it's a very just like, the bee's knees was invented by Frank Mayer, an Australian born part Jewish bartender who was the first head bartender at the Ritz Paris in 1921. Ritz Paris.

Yeah. When it's Cafe Parisian opened its door. But there are other stories that like, so maybe it started there, but it got big in the US during speakeasy days because people were drinking a lot of bathtub gin and the ingredients, which I'll get into in a second,

cover up the bathtub gin taste, which is probably pretty intense. The hooch taste. The hooch. So let's see. I guess we can talk about what's in it. There's, I mean, that's it. I'm sure there's different ways you can make this thing,

but who cares? This isn't a cocktail podcast where we care about that type of shit. No, I agree. No, I mean like, oh, what are the variations? You know, you don't have an internet on your phone. You can't find this stuff out. So the big one though that we discussed is like, do we do the version with orange juice or not?

So here's a recipe we have on the IBA. We got from the IBA, which as this is an IBA podcast, that's what we're going with. So 1.77 ounces of dry gin, 0.75 ounces of lemon juice, 0.75 ounces of orange juice, and two teaspoons honey syrup. Stir honey syrup with lemon and orange juice until it dissolves. Add gin and shake with ice. Strain into chilled cocktail glass. That's interesting, letting it, like, adding the booze last.

Like, doing something with it and then adding booze and then shaking it. Well, Jack Schramm would like that, because he's a big advocate of adding booze last. Hey, I looked up honey syrup. It's not just honey. Oh, shit. It's honey syrup. It's not just honey. Oh shit. It's honey syrup.

It's half water, half honey. Oh, okay. So you can make it. Same way that simple syrup is one part water, one part sugar. Yeah. Honey syrup, one part honey, one part water. So you can make your own honey syrup. Yeah. I think that, yes, you can make your own honey syrup

if you have access to water. And honey. Sure. I think that that's just almost the thing that just makes it more pourable and workable for a bartender. So they do that. And then I did it half and half, water and honey. And then I've seen other places it's like, you know, it's better if it's two parts water and one part honey. So, you know, whatever. Honey syrup. The idea is that you mix your honey with some water.

Yeah. Get off our backs about it. So the big debate, other than the honey water ratios that we've talked about, is orange juice or no orange juice? Oh, here we go. Here it comes. The big debate. What the damn hell are we doing with this stuff? Because we've seen a lot of, I mean, the IBA website is still down.

We all know that. And that sucks. Those people need to get their act together. That just really sucks. That really sucks for us, for the listener, for other booze IBA podcasts out there. So I think we're going to start with the orange juice. But we saw so many that were just like not uh didn't have orange juice in it at all yeah i think that the vast majority of cocktail recipes we saw they don't put orange juice and i

do think the original one that we would have had during prohibition is just gin honey lemon and honey is the active ingredient so this oj IBA is doing something kind of weird, but we are committed to being an IBA podcast for some fucking reason. Yeah. We painted ourselves in that corner. Even though it's weird, I think we should try it with the orange juice,

our due diligence. And then maybe later, I might mix up a second round and do it the non-orange juice way to try the original old guard one. Now, so it's gin and lemon. So I'm already thinking Tom Collins. Yeah.

Maybe that's the orange juice kind of is the deciding factor. Pull it away from me. It's funny. You know, I was just thinking, you said this was invented at the ritz in paris right uh-huh i think that that uh i've never been there but i think that was sort of like the the cool immovable feast type of like all the american writers were hanging out at that ritz

in paris in the 20s and what's so weird is that they didn't have prohibition there they had prohibition in america yeah so why are they. Yeah. So why are they using bathtub gin and why are they covering it up? If they're in France, you can drink whatever the fuck you want. That's a good question, Tim. That is a very good question. I don't know the answer.

I'm not going to sleep a wink tonight. Did you guys know how long prohibition lasted for? It was nine years, I think. Huh? Nine, I guess. Nine. Jeff, what's your biggest guess? Ten. Thirteen!

It's 1920 to 1933 from the Wikipedia I read. That's wild. That's so funny because the stock market crash was in 1929 and in my memory it's like the same day that Prohibition ended. But then I was starting to think there are certain little aspects of American culture that I just don't know every single thing about. Yeah.

History. History. Fuck it all. Well, shall we? Let's make this damn thing. Let's make one of these big orange juicy drinks. Yeah, mix it up in an orange juice peel. Folks, we'll be right back.

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Whoa. Guys, this one was a little, this was a pain in the ass, huh? Well, the numbers were weird. How am I going to get 22.5 milliliters? Come on. I wish I had done the syrup ahead of time or like me too syrupy stuff my honey was old i had like an old sube oh yeah honey bear and um you know honey doesn't go bad that's one of the good things about honey you can keep it for years it just goes shitty yeah it just

gets like shitty and hard and doesn't really dissolve well i had pre-mixed my honey syrup thinking I was oh so smart. And then I fucked up mixing. I put the wrong measurements of some stuff. And then luckily I had used what we learned in cocktail class. I hadn't yet put in the gin, but I put the wrong amount of shit in and I dumped out.

I said, I'm starting from scratch. Well, shall we sip? Yeah, this smells pretty good. Don't get swayed. Here we go. Mmm. Mmm. Okay.

Okay, I'd rather like that. Oh, yes. Yes, I do find this to be the eel's hips. Yeah. It's the elephant's pantaloons. Yeah. I'm starting to think this is the bear's ass. The bear's big bloody asshole.

You know, after all our fretting about orange juice, you don't even taste too much of the OJ. Hey, this is a springtime cocktail, right guys? Oh, now you're getting it. I feel like buzz, buzz, buzz. I'm a little bee out there in the meadow picking up a little pollen from the lemons, a little pollen from the oranges. Yes, buzz. I'm a little bee out there in the meadow picking up a little pollen from the lemons, a little pollen from the oranges.

Yes, yes. And then I crank them into my own honey. It is funny to think of like, you know, at the time, like a swinging party and it's raucous and like you're not supposed to be like doing this thing. It's illegal. And it's like, ooh, I'm going to have this illegal drink. It's kind of like a punch. Yeah.

How do you guys feel about honey as a flavor not the biggest fan i you know i could put it on some oatmeal to help out there uh i'd put it on some bunches of oats sure sure yeah okay yeah but you know it's a it's a fine flavor it's not something i'm eating on its own i think i associate it with like tea when I'm sick or something. And so I just like, I'm not crazy about honey. That's funny. Cause when I was mixing this up, I did got a whiff of the honey and I was like,

this tastes like old granny tea or smells like it's going to be old. But then in the, in the concoction here, it doesn't taste like honey. It just, it tastes floral. Everything is floral.

Well, Tim, that's why they added it to give it that floral flavor. Mmm. You know what I forgot to do again, and I always forget, is to, damn it, to chill my cocktail glass. One of these days, Mike, you had a smoldering hot cocktail glass, didn't you? I accidentally, first, before I got lemon juice, got lime juice. And I'm thinking to myself, I got lemon

juice finally, but I thought to myself, lime juice might actually be okay here. Hey, it helps with the spritz. Yeah, that's right. Don't spritz me. Don't spritz me. I wonder how they're doing. The Germans at the pool.

What'd you guys use for ingredients? Top of the line artisan craft. Ooh. My gin was Gordon's gin. Is that right? Yeah. Gordon's gin. So that's a dry gin. What's Tangerade? Is that dry? That's wet.

I think it's sobbing. The drippiest gin they got. That's a moist? That's wet. Oh, great. I think it's sobbing. The drippiest gin they got. That's a moist. That's a moist gin. People don't like that word moist. Moist. Especially when you say it like this.

Moist. Moist. Moist. I kind of like it. I read an article about this because I wrote a sketch about words that turn people off. And the most popular one is moist. And the second most popular one is panties. I don't like panties. That's a tough one to say.

This is kind of like almost like one of those cilantro-y things where there's certain people that are like, yo. And other people are like, yeah, I guess it's kind of gross. When you think of moist and panties, Jeff, do they? Well, thinking of them together, that's different. You set us up for that. Because I read like a academic piece about this so I want to know what you think. Do you think

it's something of the actual sound or do you think it's just the words, what they mean? Wait, Tim, it was an academic piece? Yeah. Yeah, I probably read the same one. But you don't remember it at all? Yeah, who wrote it? What professor actually did end up writing that one?

So wait, you know enough of the professors in... Yeah, I know a lot of the professors who write a lot of the intellectual pieces. Go ahead, Jeff. Jeff, this is amazing. Mike is basically a genius. I know. I can't believe we have him here for this. Get out.

Let's get off me, Jeff. All right. Yeah, yeah. I'm running out have him here. No, get out. Let's get off me, Jeff. All right. Yeah, yeah. I'm running out of steam here. So the content versus, form versus content is what we're talking? Yep. The content doesn't bother me in either case. For whatever reason, just like syllabically and like the vowels of panties just feels like it. I don't like saying it.

Well, according to Mike's professor friends, it is not the sound. It has nothing to do. They said that there were, that the word panties and the word moist have nothing in common. They had 10 other words that people had flagged and there was nothing linguistically about them.

But if you're a prudish little Puritan like Dutton and you think, panties, get them away from me. No, no, that's not what I say. I say, call them something else, but send them my way. You know what I don't like? It's not a word, it's a phrase. Crisp cock scraping against the asphalt.

Oh. I just hate that. Crisp cock? There's something about that. Those words. It's something about the syllables, because I wouldn't really have any trouble with the meaning of that one. Mm-hmm.

Tim, that is alarming to me. Like, moist I have no reaction to. I feel like people shouldn't have a reaction to that. Other weird ones, though, I thought were month. I'm surprised nobody reacts poorly to month. No, people love vermouth month. Sure. Or another one is a sedan.

Wait, Tim, sorry. This professor said what about the words that it's not the meaning of them, it is just the sound?, Tim, sorry. This professor said what about the words that it's not the meaning of them? It is just the sound? It's the content. Opposite. They couldn't find anything

that any of the words, like the top 12 gross out words, they had nothing in common sound wise and there was no reason for it. So they do think it's just the meaning. Month, I've never heard month. Do you remember one time at the birthday boy's house, we were watching that 70s show?

Not a show that we watched really on any regular basis, but there was a part where Foreman was, Eric Foreman was having some sort of fantasy about, or daydream about going into his girlfriend's house and seeing her panties. And he was like, he's throwing a big pile of panties in the air. He's like, panties? Yeah, because it was like Donna found somebody else's underwear,

and then she had a dream that he was a panty baron. Panties, panties everywhere. I was thinking that that 70s show, I didn't like watch it watch it i wouldn't say i was like a viewer of it but to me when i think when i think of multicam sitcoms and i think what was the last one that was good yeah i mean seinfeld is probably the only show multicam sitcom that like meant something to me it was like truly good but i feel like that 70s show was the last multi-cam sitcom that i would catch every now and then be like yeah it's funny i like it right and now when you try to like the networks insist like oh yes the live audience oh my oh the performance style the tradition but it's garbage yeah i can't do it

people point to everybody loves raymond as like a good latter day. Uh, sure. I think that, that one, like as far as post Seinfeld, there are maybe only those two shows that I, that I think of people like the Gerard Carmichael show. I missed it. Right,

right, right. Oh my God. You scared him. They were scared. She didn't want to say goodnight before she wanted to creep it in, scare you. You freak this out. I'm going to change my pants.

She's been scaring me all week. Every time I turn around, she's jumping out and scaring the heck out of me. Oh, and she's quite pleased with herself after scaring her uncle's podcast mates. Yeah. You're an agent of chaos, Tig. You have no respect for the order of this podcast. Look at her squish the windscreen on the microphone. She doesn't care about anything.

Her mom is asking if she is trying to get her to bed. Are you sleeping in the fort tonight? Yeah. Ooh. I might. Okay. Off she goes. A terror. She wanted to scare you. Well, I had something I wanted to ask you guys.

Yes. Mike, you kind of mentioned, you had mentioned, we're talking a lot about one citrus fruit, and then you mentioned a different citrus fruit. Yeah, lemons, limes, oranges, sure. Right, right, right, right. So I was thinking about how when it comes to those citrus fruits, you know, if you're, let's say you're drinking a Mexican cerveza, right? Some people will think of a certain one they want to squeeze in the top of that long neck bottle.

Yeah. It's kind of a fun thing to do in the summer. You get a nice cold cerveza and you give it a little squeeze. Pop it down the neck and you put your thumb on the bottle and you tip it upside down. Turn it upside down, get a little glug, get it all mixed up in there. Tim, you seem like you're trying to avoid saying a specific fruit. No, I'll say anything.

That's not the thing. But what I was getting at with you guys was, I guess I have my answer already. You guys seem pretty chill about that whole thing. You're like, yeah, cool. Oh, no biggie. You can squeeze it and you use the fruit if you want to. And I would characterize you guys being more casual about it as opposed to like, you're, you're not more in like the Eric Clapton camp about how he feels about all of it. What Eric Clapton feels about it. I don't know about that. We're very citrus positive. I don't know about Eric of it. No, what Eric Clapton feels about. I don't know about that. We're very citrus positive.

I don't know about Eric Clapton. Yeah. Well, and you're like chill about it and it's, it's just doesn't weigh heavy on you. Yes. Right. Right.

It's specifically, it seems like you want us to agree. We're very chill about the certain. Well, it's a lighthearted type of topic for you guys. I like that. You guys don't get, you don't get like all morose about it. But

well, no, not you know, this thing about like how Eric Clapton wrote a song about it. What? No, no. Well, he it's honestly not his best work, but he's just so he can be kind of a heavy dour kind of a guy. And yeah, I just

feel like he's taking things a little bit seriously here, especially when it comes to citrus. It sounds like. Right. And, and like beers and stuff along those lines. Okay. Okay.

And stuff. Okay. And stuff along that. I mean, I feel like I could describe it all day, but what if we just listened to the song? Here we go. Would it be okay This dude's got sleepy

If I had beers with lemon Oh, lemon. Modelo Tecate. Oh, that's a weird way of saying that. Or Coronas with lemon. Yeah. If I had the loot. He's very rich.

I'd buy the loo. He's very rich. I'd buy the right fruit. But I don't. No. Can I substitute? Beers with lemon. It's just heavy, you know? He's not chill like me and Mike. No.

Lime is best, hands down. Lime is nice and green. It is nice and green. He makes a good point there, I'll give it to you. Yeah, yeah. But the only wedge I got is a yellowy lemon squeeze. Yeah, yellowy lemon squeeze. Yeah.

Yellow-y lemon squeeze. Oh, and by the way, COVID is a ho-ho-ho-ho-ho. What was that at the end? What did he say at the end? You spent more time with this track, Tim, because... Yeah, what did he say at the end? At the end, he said COVID is a hoax. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no.

Oh, you know what that is? It's probably because him and Van Morrison made those songs protesting the lockdown. That's probably what it's about. Right, that's right. Okay, that makes sense. So, yeah, he's using lemons, but he wants to use a lime.

Well, most people with a corona, you squeeze a lime. That's what I was... Yes. That's what I was getting. Yes, that's what I was assuming. But I just feel like I'm kind of in your camp, like with you guys. If you don't have a lime, squeeze a lemon or just like whatever, you know?

Tim, you're with us. We know. Not a big deal. Right. So the three of us like agree. Right. Yeah. Well, that got me thinking.

The whole song I was thinking i've had beers with lime in it i've had beers that have a an orange in it blue moon a hefeweizen a blue moon a shock top um do you have i had a beer with a lemon in it you You know, I don't think that I have. I've had a line in Kugel's summer shandy that is lemon beer mixed together. That's probably the closest I've had too. I've never had a beer with lemon.

I don't know. Maybe we're coming around. Maybe it is sort of a taboo topic that's bumming us out. Yeah, that is kind of a bummer. It's kind of the cool thing about art is it can change the way that you look at the world. Yeah, that is kind of a bummer. It's kind of the cool thing about art is it can change the way that you look at the world. Yeah, I guess so. Well, I don't know if it's, I don't think it's the lemon's fault. It might be. I think it's

more the honey, but I will say I've got a bit of a mucus cloud in the bottom of my bee's knees right now. You got a sludge. I got some sludge. Were you spitting into that glass the whole time? I was doing more than spitting, Tim, if you can believe it.

Oh, I can believe it. With you? Yeah. Going back to the words that we don't like, mucus is one that I don't like because of, like, if I go to a water fountain and see, like, a loogie in there, I, like, will throw up. Yeah. Phlegm and loogies and mucuses. You can't see a loogie?

No. No, I don't like it on me i'm on loogie.com all day scrolling swiping loogie.coop speaking of disgusting bodily things doesn't your grandfather have a funny way of pronouncing feces feckus yeah so insane i don't know if that's yeah i'm not sure if that's how he thought it was said or just like uh he said it is like a joke i dude i heard my grandfather say pornography like instead of pornography yes so i was I was like, wow, what a old-fashioned sweet man. He said, I heard him say forno and then pornography. He's so unfamiliar with it. It's porn spelled with a zero.

In his head, he was like mashing together fornication maybe and uh and pornography but uh i remember even being like 13 being like that's that's not right and then afterwards was he like uh yeah i'm on foreign hub all day i gotta i gotta i got a foreignnhub premium account. Maybe Tom Potter's onto something. Check it out, Jeff. I got an eight-inch Forn. Grandpa.

Grandpa. Poke that thing back into your underwear. That thing ate the bee's knees, Grandpa. Well, I think it's time for me to mix up another little VN, if you know what I mean. Yeah. So what's the approach? BK, I mean. BK?

That's Burger King already. Yeah. Well, speaking of Burger King, your way right away, you guys, let's do a second round. Mix it up the way that you choose. I personally am choosing to forego the orange juice this time and i'm looking at liquor.com it says two ounces of gin three quarter ounce of lemon juice half ounce of honey syrup i'm gonna just try that and see how it stacks i'm gonna do the same thing but i'm gonna do a lime instead of lemon oh timmy could you send that out? Could you text it to me?

Yep. And we're back. Round two. Yeah, baby. This looks like a bee's knees of an entirely different color. What did you put in it, Jeff? I did the liquor.com recipe, which I think will be better. Let's dive in.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, see? Yeah. I already like that. It's simpler. Better? Yeah, I mean, it's funny because that first

round was like, oh, a lot of different flavors balancing each other out, and it's a nice balance or whatever. This one doesn't have that, but it's like, I like it more because it's like gin and lemon, you know? Yeah. This one with the

lime, there's a reason they're not putting lime in these things i think you did a lime uh it's no good it's no good it's no good it's fully bad no it's not fully bad it's just uh it just tastes like a different type of drink and like lime and honey are not right because had you used sugar you would be drinking a gimlet and that's a good drink. But honey and lime, you can't have a tropical lime and a granny honey. And that's okay. I mean, I kind of, I didn't know what to expect and now I'll never drink this again.

Look, life is weird sometimes. Can be. It can be. But I like this one. Maybe it's just the measurements uh, measurements we were using from, from liquor.com, but Jeff, doesn't this seem a lot stiffer? I'm sipping it out of my coop glass and it's like a martini. It's, it's, it's harsh in a good way. Yeah. Um, I use different, uh, different honey too, which is a little easier to work with. But what I've learned from this is

that I don't like working with honey. I should have prepared my honey syrup in advance. And then also, I don't like drinks up. Give me that ice. Oh, interesting. Any drink is better with ice. What if you have a beautiful coupe glass that you want to use? I don't have one. Maybe I need to get a good coupe glass that I can get excited about.

Jeff, do you want to transition seamlessly into your final take? Mmm. Oh, sure. Doesn't that sound like a great time to do that? And I think this is a very average drink that is totally fine. Order again? I would order it again, but, like, not a priority.

Gun to your head. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see. My take is thus. Wow. I see. I see. My take is thus. Wow. I will order this again when I go to a speakeasy-ish type bar, like a cocktail bar. I will not go to a regular, like, bar, your neighborhood bar where you're mixing it up with Joey and Tommy and all that gang. Yeah, you're giving

Terry a knuckle on his head. Come here, you son of a... Get away, you little noogie man. And while I'm doing that, mix me up a bee's knees. No, I will have this... A pitcher of bee's knees is for the boys.

I will have this like that at a speakeasy-ish type place, cocktail bar, or a wedding if they have somebody like that. Michael, if I may. You might. I thought of a distinction that might actually work for what you're saying. A certain distinction?

Well, this would be a different certain distinction. This one I call when in Rome. Oh, that's a good, yeah. This is a W-I-R for me. Yes. I like that. I think that I like this one because I am a little bit partial to gin cocktails. So I think maybe I'm a little more amped on this than you guys just because I like it a gin.

And it's floral and it's nice. But yeah, I wouldn't. When I'm at the corner bar watching the game. With Terry and Bobby. Yeah, I'm not going to say, hey, if the Rams get this touchdown, I'm buying bee's knees for everybody in the place. Bee's knees. Bee's knees.

Beezes, nieces. Beezes, nieces. Well, you guys, you're the types of guys who realize that this is bathtub gin is sort of what was being made here. Yes. That's kind of the common narrative of Prohibition is you got a lot of cheap bathtub gin, so you got to cover it up with other flavors. That's right. Now, you also understand that my favorite band, Phish, has a song called Bathtub Gin.

I thought they had a song called Wilson. I thought they had a song called Gaiety. Well, you guys might be very good at this quiz. Hit it, Jeff. It's the Bathtub Gin Quiz.

You greasy physique son of a bitch Little booze news Wait what did he say? You greasy what son of a bitch? You greasy physique son of a bitch the drummer of the band one of his nicknames, one of many nicknames is greasy physique that's a little egg a little hidden egg easter egg for all the fans ph fans out there that's a

hidden egg wait a second i'm the greek physique this guy's the greasy physique okay he can be grease the fuck fish so this oh jeff interesting You are on your way to possibly answering one of the questions. What about Gordon? What about Trey? Okay, easy, guys. Okay, let's start the quiz. I want to see what this is about. So this is just, you know, do you guys, how much do you know about fish?

Here we go. Oh, no. This sucks because I've seen them four times, but I've never been really paying attention. I kept it pretty light and loose. Okay, great. Fish formed in what city? Burlington, Vermont. Count it.

Timothy. Shit, I should have known that. You should have known that, Jeff. I'm from New Hampshire and our two states, 69. I read a book called Heads. It kind of gave the backstory on all the jam bands. You guys were on this. This one, I'm going to need you to do a, say your name to buzz in because it's kind of a long answer.

Well, for me, that's going to be Tim. You guys already kind of had this. Name the members of Phish. Jeff. Yeah. Trey. Anastasio. Mike Gordon.

And Fishman. And? Oh, I didn't know there was a fourth. You've seen them before. He plays the keys, I know, but. Yes, yes. Now, Mike, is this, would this be the guy that like, if you're getting tickets, you would say like Gordon side or blank side? Mm-hmm.

Oh. Starboard. Starboard side. Well, then I said, now, if you can just name me what instruments are in the band. Well, he's the keyboard guy. Okay. Guitar, bass, drums, keyboard. Tim. Oh,

geez. And what was that guy's name? He could have jumped on that. I know. His name is Paige McConnell. Paige McConnell. Paige side, baby. Paige side, rage side, page side. Oh, rage side. That's the Morello side. Come on now. Okay. This

is whoever answers closest to the number I'm looking for wins the point. Yes. What year did fish form? So each of you can guess on this one. 1984. 84. And you said 92? Yeah.

83. Tim, 83. A second. Now let me take you down from Burlington to Rhinebeck, New York. 1983 is where I was born. Great. So that's good. That is good, yes. Yeah, that's really good. What band did Trey Anastasio play with for their run of 50th anniversary shows?

Fairly Well, Grateful Dead, Good Dude, Chicago, Soldier Field. My boy Mike was there. There for two nights, snuck in first night. Here we go. I'm getting shut out. Where did the three of us see fish live? Forum. Hollywood Bowl.

Who said the forum? Jeffy. Jefferson did it. Hooray. Wait, we saw him at the bowl as well I don't think Jeff was at that one oh you have to listen to the question Tim

we're the three of us it's sort of a numbers game can I Jeff Jeff can I tell a story about you at that show? yeah go for it

I just oh wait well Michael barfed hold on a second Tim That was my next question. Oh, okay. Well pause on that. But I just remember, um, I, we were, we had good seats cause we're up high, but we were like stage left. So Gordon side, right. And we're a beautiful vantage point. I'm chilling out watching the show. And then we got a good group of people, but we're kind of spread out. This is late in the night, second set.

They play two sets, right? Mm-hmm. And I remember turning around and being like, where's Jeff? And I look at Jeff and you're sitting. Nobody around you, like everyone else had gone off to buy food or whatever. But you're sitting there, sitting up real straight. And you had your arms crossed tight in front of you, kind of almost forearms flexed. Big smile on your face.

Tears streaming down your face. No. Yes. Fully having a trippy crying moment during the show. But you were loving it. These things happen. You were very, it was a smile. They were tears of joy.

Wow. Here we go. Here's the next one. What article of clothing does drummer John Fishman wear for each show? Moo moo. Yay, Jefferson. Every show he wears a moo Moo? He wears, yeah, you know that pattern that's like the

blue with the red circles on it? With the red circles. Yeah. That's like he's worn that or something like it for... That's cool. Yeah, like a house dress type of thing. Okay. Approximately how many times have I seen fish?

35. No, 14. Yep. I don't really know, but I say around 30. Wow. Holy shit. When was the first one? The first one was in 96, I think, at Saratoga Performing Arts Center. SPAC? You know, I saw...

One of the encore was Good Times, Bad Times by Led Zeppelin was one of the encore. I saw Jackson Brown at SPAC two summers ago. Ah, yes. Okay, here's kind of a multi-question, multi-choice thing. Fish has done several multi-day festivals. Tell me which one on this list is a real one. Ooh.

Baker's Dozen. Hold on a second. I'm going to name a few and you tell me which one's the real one. Ah, yes. The Vonda Hoda. Pfft. The Antelope Valley Hop. Pfft. The Makasupa run or the great went jesus vanda hoda wrong can you say him again like i can't i can't even remember one of these let alone like four the vanda hoda uh-huh the makasupa run antelope valley hop the great went makasupa Run, Antelope Valley Hop, The Great Wendt.

Makasupa Run. Nope. Fuck. Well, Antelope Valley Hop feels more of a Frank Zappa thing. Am I right about that? Mm-hmm. So what's left? The Great Wendt.

Great Wendt! Does anyone get that? You can't give that to Tim. Yeah. No, no one gets that. You can't. That was such a mess. You can't. None of those are real. No, no one gets that. That was such a mess. You can't.

None of those are real. Like Antelope Valley Hop isn't anything. I just made that up. Damn. They play at Antelope Valley. But Maca Supa, Ron Vondahoda, I made those up. Great Went, though. Tim, remember that video you sent us of the bathtub gin jam?

Yeah. Yeah, it was from the Great Went. The Went Jam. The Great Went. I was like picturing that YouTube video and thinking oh the vonda hoda is wait did you just come up with the sounds vonda hoda from nowhere it sounds real yeah i just came up with that wow maybe it is real maybe i'm grabbing it from something macasupa run is a mix-up of uh run like an antelope and macasupa policeman which are songs and antelope valley is just where they play.

And The Great Wendt was sort of like a cast member of Cheers. Yeah. He really was a great Wendt when you think about it. The Great Wendt is a reference to a line in Fire Walk With Me. Oh!

The line is, I'm not Jacques, I am the Great Wendt. It's a very Lynchian is, I'm not Jacques, I am the great Wendt. Oh, it's a very Lynchian reference. I understand. Yeah, I was watching Far Walk With Me recently, and I noticed some sort of overlap with Twin Peaks. I think they might be in the same Lynchiverse. Yeah.

Let's see. Okay. We are at, we got four to three. Four to three. Because no one got that point, that last point. Great. Here's a, you guys, you should both know this. You're going to really have to be the first one to say it.

What fish song have we covered? Susie Greenberg. Fuck. That's right. That's right. I knew it. My lips just weren't moving fast enough. And the final question.

Jeff, you can't win unless you want to make this a double point. Do you, Jeff? Do you want to make it a double point? Actually, triple point, because then you'll win, and I don't have any bonus questions. What? So wait, so... If you get this, it's a triple point, and you win.

But if Tim gets it, he beats me by even more? That's right. That's a tough one. That's bad. that's tough uh i'll take the risk okay you want it to be a triple it's a triple point okay name this tune oh shit Farmhouse. Ooh, Jeff. You lost by a lot. I knew that was going to happen. You lost. You know that song, Jeff. No, I don't. Farmhouse, of course you know Farmhouse.

No, I don't. I beg to differ, you absolutely do. I guarantee you, you know it now. This is going to come up and you are good yeah i know that song i lost so bad burn me for the rest of my life you're not gonna live that one down it's gonna haunt you i don't know i thought that was fun mike that was a very fun quiz and fish for me is right in that zone where you don't i don't know what i would know you know it's it's like

there's certain things you just pick up by osmosis, but you just don't know. Sure. Well, hey, that was a good quiz, Mike. Thank you. When you introduced the quiz, I said, what's Mike going to ask? And I thought for sure you were going to ask me what is the name of

Trey's rock opera and I was going to say Stonehenge. You to say Stonehenge. Uh, you've been close. Game Henge. I'm glad I didn't ask it. I'm just glad.

Thank you, Jesus. He, he did a, he did the music for a Broadway show once, uh, called hands on a hard body. It was about the,

Oh yeah. I think that that contest where you keep a hand on a car and about the... Oh, yeah. I think that contest where you keep a hand on a car and the winner... Oh, I heard that movie was great. The movie, I think, was good. I think the musical kind of flopped, but...

Hmm. Well, okay. Well, that's the quiz. Great quiz. Great quiz. And I feel like, Mike, I know you better and the listener gets

a little bit of insight into each of us guys. Thank you. know me come in here and know me better man what's that that's christmas carol baby christmas carol quiz that'd be good not yet yeah next week um i think it's time to wrap this thing speaking of christmas get the presents wrapped up and send this one off to Santa's helper and get it out to the people. Yes, those little elves are standing there waiting to get it all sent off. Their pink little fingers wiggling, waiting for that gift of a podcast. Sure, one of them wants to be a dentist dentist but the rest of them are more than happy to work in the workshop that's our show follow us on social media at the sloppy boys where we

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Make this a spring drink for you and all your friends. And hey, make the honey syrup ahead of time. Yes. See you next week. Later. Come in and show me feathers, Dan. What? Charles Dickens, you have to rewrite that line.

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