The Tim Dillon Show - 324 - Gary Vaynerchuk

Episode Date: November 20, 2022

- Tim Dillon sits down with Gary Vaynerchuk aka (Gary Vee) to talk about topics such as FTX, a possible rebrand for Poland, how the Weinstein Company could make a comeback, Vee Friends, and some talk about The Crypto Winter. Merch: https://store.timdilloncomedy.com/ For every $400,000 we gross in revenue, we are donating five dollars to end homelessness in Los Angeles. We are challenging other creators to do the same. #TimGivesBack Bonus episodes: https://www.patreon.com/thetimdillonshow Netflix special: https://www.netflix.com/watch/81616382 SPONSORS: ATHLETIC GREENS: ▶▶ https://www.athleticgreens.com/timdillon, for one free year of Vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase! EXPRESSVPN: ▶▶ https://www.expressvpn.dom/timdillon, you will get an extra 3 months FREE! ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ 𝐆𝐄𝐓 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐍𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐄𝐃: 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timjdillon/ 🐦 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/TimJDillon 🌍 Tim Dillon Live Dates!: http://timdilloncomedy.com/#shows 📹 Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wo... Listen on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/2gRd1wo... #TheTimDillonShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gary Vaynerchuk, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having a sense of humor. I appreciate it. I would just give it this water. I imagine this would be the last thing I drink. This might be the end, but it's okay. This is it. I die in a room with toys. Thank you for, for laughing and like, why don't you get mad when people make fun of you? Other people get very viciously angry, but you kind of have fun with it. Because you're this big character. You say a lot of stuff. Some of it's very funny. And then, you know, some people, because as a comedian, our job is to, we make fun of ourselves. We make fun of everyone. We make fun of other comedians. Joe Rogan is one of my best friends. We make fun of him. We do a dumb

imitation of him that doesn't sound like him. It's a high-pitched voice. What do you mean, man? It's such a stupid, but he never gets mad. And you don't seem to really get upset. I think, first of all, to be very frank, I'm flattered that I'm flattered that like, that like I'm even known enough that somebody would make jokes. I think growing up in Jersey in the 80s and 90s is probably a big part of it. I mean, I don't even recall living a life where the majority of your friends are not making fun of you 24, 7, 365 in that East Coast 80s, 90s life. I also love comedy. Like I genuinely view it as flattering, interesting. You know, I sometimes even learn from it. You're like, oh, it's interesting. Like people are, that's what they're picking up on

or like they're exaggerating that. And especially to your point, when you're a big personality and you're exaggerated, when somebody then takes the exaggerated part of you already being exaggerated, it tends to be really funny. Plus, I've always thought that comedians were incredibly smart. Like I just always grew up very much believing that like Richard Pryor was a big factor. I actually think my keynote career is very wrestling promo stand up comic DNA to begin with. So I think there's a level of and honestly, to be even like really to the point, anybody who can't laugh at themselves is fucked. Yeah. Like genuinely actually fucked. It means they're deeply insecure and like unhappy and luckily the DNA draw did not give me that. And so I'm cool with it.

No. And we as comedians, it's always cool when somebody doesn't have you killed or you have a good amount of money and you have connections. That's right. You know what I mean? Like doesn't have a car. That's nice. Nothing wrong. You know, we love that Elon Musk buying Twitter big mistake. Probably not. You know, it's it's one of the most important platforms in the world. And, you know, very quickly, I think he wants to turn it into something viable. The product, you know, I've been on it for a long time. I was there super early. And I mean, from 2007 to today, it hasn't really evolved a whole lot. You know, obviously, the guy has innovated his whole career. And so, you know, my spidey senses say that he'll find pay dirt. I've always thought that Twitter

could be a major, you know, challenger to Netflix and Amazon Prime. Like the world goes there when things are going on. I've always thought that it was a platform that could have a subscription business. He showed that immediately. He's probably figuring out what the blue check thing means now. But like, I've always thought of it as a OTT competitor over the top, like a streaming service. Yeah, I just always thought that was much more that could be done with Twitter. And so I I'm I don't think he'll lose on this one. Do you think there's an issue with him being such a big personality? Is there a chance he gets in his own way a little bit because he seems to like the spotlight? He seems to crave the spotlight. And when you're running a company like that,

is that a potential negative? I think if you're not operationally capable and you're just sizzle and not steak, it can be a negative. Right. The guys run and built real companies. Right. So I think less likely. Okay. You know, there's a lot of people who are just sizzle. And they just, you know, let's bring it back to comedy. Yeah. You and your buddies know there's people you've come up the game with that actually potentially were funnier, had more raw talent, right? For sure. But you knew that they weren't willing to put in the work, whether they didn't write or they didn't put in the fucking work. Yeah. Right. They didn't do enough mics. They didn't write enough, whatever. You know, you know, this world better than I do,

but I'm dangerous enough to keep an eye from afar and they haven't won. And I think that's similar to the way I think about entrepreneurship. Like if you can't actually operate, if you don't put in the work, if you're not that person, the the sizzle, what you're referring to will fuck it up. You'll get found out. Everyone gets exposed in the end. Right. Now, I'm still a believer in FTX I am and Sam Beckman freed. I think it's genius. I'm undeterred by the new spate of news. And I just want a commitment from you that you're still a believer because so many people are jumping shit now. Whereas I say to myself, like, isn't this time to really show him our support, like, let him know that, like, what he's doing is good. Like,

he's giving Bill Clinton money. And like, these are people that need money, right? The Democrats and stuff. So it's just a good, I think it's a good thing. What he's done. How do we help him? That's my question. Like, how could we help him? Do we get him to Dubai? Do we get him on a jet? What does this say about the larger crypto thing? Is it over? No, because I mean, you know, nobody I know that actually is educated in crypto kept their money in an exchange because that's not decentralized. But what about Giselle Bunshin? Well, that's not someone who I would deem as somebody who's deep crypto, right? You know, and I think, I think some of these step backwards during this era are going to be similar to when pets.com and all that

stuff happened in internet back in 2001. Like, people are just confused and they get hyped and over excited about dumb shit. You know, look, fraud is hard to see at times, but, you know, centralized, you know, exchanges are a dangerous game. You're keeping your money in unregulated industries platform that Sam was able to do the things that one would fear in that scenario. And so I think crypto is such a big technology, but unfortunately greed and short term thinking and all that always clouds new technologies. It's always the same shit. Yeah, it seems to be that he was able to win over so many. Well, money does that fans, right? Money does that was called a visionary. Is it dangerous when you have somebody when you have

a situation where it's the crypto in general is not really that well understood by the general public, right? That's right. So when you have a small amount of people that really understand the ins and outs of this, is it just more of a, you know, potential for this type of thing? Well, not really because, you know, the reality is it's the people that know it aren't necessarily even excited about the kind of things that are being built that are screwing things up. Like the hardcore technologists actually just want it to all be decentralized. That's why Bitcoin has such enthusiasm around it. The NFT thing is really misunderstood because it's about the smart contracts and technology there, but it got all going on the collectability, right? And so I don't think it's

about a small group knowing because it wasn't Sam's knowledge of blockchain that created this vulnerability. It was the lack of knowledge of people leaving their money in there and like anything else, when people are, anytime there's something that's too good to be true, when everyone's trying to make a fast buck, this is what happens and you made the right call. This is so similar to the web in 95, 678. The difference was people weren't throwing around money and investing in things back then. They didn't walk, they did on the public stocks like the pets.com and things that nature, but that was a small group today. Everybody, all these youngsters, they all think they're investors and they're throwing around money like crazy. So you're a long-term believer in

crypto. You're unfazed by any of the, you know, obviously the dips or... Yeah, I mean, I'm personally most bullish on NFTs because I think that that's like iPhone app, website, social media accounts, I was taught, I went to art basil last year and all of the, everybody was talking about NFTs or it might have been two years ago. It was out of control last year. It was last year. It was last year. You had like marshmallow at your party. No. Okay. But I wish I did. There was some, there was some party where somebody knew you let me in. So I appreciate that. One of your employees, I think. Actually, I think that we did have, did they have marshmallow? I got COVID and left early and didn't get to see him. Now, yeah, he was good. He was great. Everybody was talking about NFTs. Yes.

You have always been honest to your credit saying 90% of these things, 99% are going away. Going to zero. Projects are going to zero. That's right. Is it a little insane when, do those two statements, are they able to live together? Of course. 99% of this is going away and yet everybody get excited about it because it's awesome. Yes. Because it's the complete replica of the internet. Most of the people forget what internet hysteria 96, 70 looked like. Yeah, I was 10. You were 10. What did it look like? It looked like the following. The internet is going to change everything and everything's going to be on the internet in 24 months. And meanwhile, there wasn't a person I knew over 40 that even knew how to get

on the internet yet. That's why I get scared about the metaverse and VR. The excitement is right, but it always takes 15 years. And yes, do I think 1% is going to be special? Of course I do. Because Amazon was sitting there in 1999 for $4 a share or whatever. And that was a really good idea. If you put a thousand into Amazon, it's like a million today. It worked out. The problem was people get too greedy too fast. And so yeah, it was pretty easy for me to be like, hey, this NFT thing is pretty awesome, comma 99% of what's out right now is going to zero. Don't invest money that you can't afford to lose. The problem is nobody heard the second part. Right. Because you had a buddy who bought a fucking NFT that had a snail with like a cigar

up its ass. And he's like, I bought this for 80 bucks. It's not worth $44,000. And like everyone's like, what the fuck? Isn't that a statement of our economy? Yes. That a snail with a cigar up his ass would sell for like, imagine telling a, getting a guy out of the mines and the coal mines in Pennsylvania and showing him. Yes. It does. Cause I was in sub-prem mortgages and, and there are people that have negative thoughts about them. I think they were beautiful instruments, but a lot of people have negative, they say negative things about them, whatever. But I don't think you, I think people with that money should be given it sometimes. So the reality is, I don't have a problem with like these types of speculative things where people are like, Hey, I'm taking a

chance. Let's see if this works. But you were also a deep believer and, and this, you may be proven right. I don't, I don't know if we know in the art behind some of this stuff. No, for me, it's, it's a couple of things. I do believe that there will be a Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol of this generation. I believe when you and I over beer, watched this clip in 22 years, that whether it's ex copy or people or somebody, Amber Victor, I don't know who, but will there be three to four people that put out stuff during this era that in 25 years, people collect like vigorously? Yes. I believe that to be true. That's 0.01% of all the artists. My bigger thing was, I felt what really got me hyped was it reminded me of after school 80s

cartoons. If you think about 80s after school cartoons, Transformers, G.I. Joe, My Little Pony, right? Yes. All the Care Bears, all these Busters, all these IPs were built. Right. And it's very clear to me that during this era, 578 G.I. Joe, Transformer, My Little Ponies will happen because you have real people that are real creative, that are building intellectual properties, and some of them will survive this carnage. Right. And I believe that those will be the important art, collectible, cartoons, video games, hoodies. Now, V Friends is your line of? Yes. Yes, of all the different. Yes. And are you your belief? This is the proactive Piranha. Yeah, show me this, please. Yeah. So this is the proactive Piranha. That's right.

So now this is a Piranha who believes in hustle culture. Well, I don't know about that. Well, he's proactive. Why is proactive hustle culture? Well, he's hustling. No, he's being proactive. But that's a form of hustling. Well, it all depends on how you want to use the word hustle. But this is a Piranha. Are you against being proactive? No. Because I would argue you're one of the more proactive people I have actually watched navigate Earth. Well, that's completely, I mean, you've seen a lot of people in that arena that are a lot more proactive than me. You're very proactive. I try to be as proactive as possible. You're proactive, brother. I try to be proactive, which is proactive. And I kind of look like,

I don't want to sue you, but this is there is a similarity to this. Now this this Piranha, is he is he to teach children about NFTs? Like, what is he like? Like, is part of your here's the way I see the V friends. Yes. You know, everyone's going nuts about the trans teachers, like grooming the getting the trans. I see V friends as your way to groom kids into being entrepreneurs and start robbing their families. Why would I rob their families? If you know what I mean, just kids start talking about NFTs at the dinner table. I feel like this is a way to get into kids heads and they start talking about blockchain at lunch at school. Hey, on your downtime, would you like to join our strategy team? Yeah, right. Well, but no, but I think for me,

you know, I think that in a lot of stuff you talk about in a world of red and blue, right, I think all the answers are purple. Right. Really, I think it's insane what everyone's doing. And so for me, V friends is kind of like a world that I want to create that really educates people to play a little bit more in the middle, which is like proactiveness fucking matters. Accountable aunt, not on the shelf. Talk about a character I want to build. This is an aunt who's got fucking accountable for saying something wrong and needs to be taught. No, this is an aunt that understands that almost everybody's upset because they want to blame somebody besides themselves. So these are characters that all have like, there's a message. Yes. There's like

accountable aunt. There's pro. So everyone has a thing about them. Yep. And is this targeted? Do you think kids learn this stuff? I'm going to build it over the next 50 years kind of like Marvel. There'll be the stuff that's young. Right. But then just like, you know, older movies. Yeah. Um, these characters will be developed to go the gamut from one to 99. Okay. And right now, I'm skewing towards a younger play, you know, cartoons and toys and video games. And and so that's where my focus is right now. When people criticize a lot of whatever you want to say, marketing gurus, people that are telling people like hustle, figure it out, grind, build your own thing, which of course is benefits to all of that, right? But then there are these this

vast chasm of inequality, right? This vast chasm of wealth between people that are at the top and the people that are at the bottom. And it seems increasingly unsustainable that we have this massive chasm, right? Is it you mean in society, not marketing, right? We're going to probably live to see trillionaires, right? Right. Guys who have a trillion dollars. Yes. And then we have large swaths of the country that are somewhat ungovernable. I mean, they're just people can't get clean water. It's it's tough. How does that all in the way you look at the world? How do you think the ethos of what you kind of preach fits into a society where more and more people have less and less and more and more people are being, I guess, disenfranchised economically.

They're unable to participate in society in a in a way that you would like them to. Yeah. I mean, I think this is why I love purple versus red and blue. Yeah. You know, I'm a true entrepreneur. Right. I was born in communism. Right. Like actually. Right. So, you know, I think that I struggle with trying to suppress merit. Agreed. That's just doesn't feel like the human spirit agreed on the flip side. The thought of people who make hundreds of millions of dollars a year, not paying taxes or trying to contribute feels off as well. Right. So for me, like I'm a big fan of the middle, like I really, really believe in that shit. So as far as my message, the the the concept of like, hey, here are things that I see that might help you potentially

feels incredibly good. You know, I don't think what I talk about works for everyone. I think everyone has different DNA. Like I just share the things that I observe that I'm excited about with the hope that it provides value as far as kind of like just that it's a good feeling to get messages or interactions with people that have benefited from the positivity. Right. I I, you know, I talk to a lot of my friends who are entrepreneurs and capitalists who I always feel like the world, if you're going to want merit, let's have merit. And I feel like when people get into their 70s, 80s and 90s, and they don't want to fight in the jungle anymore, and they decide to use their money to pay off politicians to keep their money. Yeah. That's

kind of loser fucking entrepreneurship. It just seems like the system is so easy to game because I agree with you about Mary. I agree. I agree so much about merit. But then you look at the FTX stuff and you go, man, the system seems very, very, you know, easily game. Well, that's been, you know, the problem with the FTX thing is like Bernie Madoff did it when he's on the SEC. Like when he's like, it happens. It's happened for humans are flawed, brother. Yeah. Like it's part of the fucking, you know, it's like it's fucking part of the game of life. Like it is what it is. It sucks. Like who like fuck ripping people off. There's people killing people this second as you and I sit here with a fucking piranha. There are people killing other people humans.

It's a waste. It's for no money. People doing it for free. That's right. And right. That and that's a bigger problem is that there's no even benefit. I mean, if you really want to get into like the fucking real fucked up. Are you Ukrainian? I'm Belarusian. I was born in Belarus. What's your read on this? I mean, I mean, just quickly, I know it's hard. My read on this is like, is there a is there a is there an animal that'll explain the Ukraine war behind there? This is the rational rattlesnake. Okay, okay. Everything that's really rational. Everything that's going on in Ukraine is and Russia is not rational. It's not rational. It is not that rattlesnake. But this guy, he's the one who goes maybe we should negotiate. That's right. I'm going to send a rational rattlesnake to talk to

Putin. He goes because we can't totally isolate. He's got all the news. Putin, right? You know, like, right? He's got all the news, but and Zelensky seems like he's doing a good job. By the way, as we're filming this, by the way, as we're fucking taping this, a fucking missile hit Poland. I know, but here's the way we all feel about Poland. It's maybe good for Poland. Poland has nothing going on, Gary. You know this better than anyone. This is a great rebrand opportunity for Poland. You think so? It's huge. You feel things towards Poland? Here's the thing with Poland. Poland is now the country that got like hit with a missile by mistake. It's time. It's a rebrand. They can go in. They can march into it, own it. Otherwise, we didn't really think about Poland. So this is kind

of what we have to do. It's like, it's branding, right? You've said it. So I mean, so, so look, I think, I think the reality is, is that there's so much always going on. Yeah. And right now, there's a lot going on. Right. And this is actually why I admire what you do for a living. Thank you. I believe that people need two core things when shit is really fucking tense. Yes. One, true escapism. Yes. And I think that's what you provide. Yes. I think when people go, I hope. No, really, you really do. Yeah. Like you're really good at it. Yeah. And fucking laughing on some real shit is something way more people need to do. I agree. 100%. It would really help a lot of people. There's a fuck going on. Then number two, it's the things

that I'm passionate about, which is like just kind of jumping on what can I do about it? Right. You know, like, like if you were just like, I can't do shit, everything's fucked. Do you know how sad you get? How fast? 100%. And I'm not saying that we should do that. It just. By the way, on the record, my number one topic for the last 25 years amongst my small group of friends is that the separation of wealth is the number one reason good places go to the ground. Yeah. And I'm complete back to answer you directly like people go, Hey, I want to hustle. I want to do all these things. I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to do all these things. But like my mother has cancer. Yes. She does not have health care. That's real. She's been working at a job for however long and

she's still unable to pay for a medication. Yes. These are real things. And the question becomes in that scenario. Yeah. Besides voting. Yes. What does Ronnie or Sally in that scenario do? Interesting. Right. Like to me, I'm with like to me systematic issues. Yes. We can spend the rest of your fucking podcast to you and I fucking die talking about that. But then in their life, they should they could do something. I mean, here's here, of course. Right. There are people who have remarkably challenging circumstances that accomplish things. Yeah. The end. Right. I mean, they're I mean, I agree. Both my both my parents lost a parent at five and 16. That happened. That was real. Right. They lived in the USSR. My mom lost her mom.

When did you come here? 1978. So you were born in the USSR. I was born in the USSR. That's such a great hook. You like that. Isn't it a great hook to have it because you can really when you say you were born in communism, you really it really is true. You should see the combos me and my parents have when everyone's like, America's going socialist. My father is broken, you know, his accent like these fucking stupid Americans if they understood what the fuck that actually was. And so like, yeah, it gives you perspective. It also when you grow up in a Russian household, like when I would like break my arm, my mom would like you remember that old Chris Rock joke that Roba Tussin like like I lived that life. Yeah. It was like, mom, I'm sick. She's like, go to sleep.

I was like, what the fuck is medicine when I was like the college and my friends like, take some Tylenol. Like, what is this incredible superpower? You know, like she was tough. It was just different. And so like, so it makes you like appreciate everything. Right. Do you think social media engagement is down? Social media engagement is down. It's that's what all the articles are saying. It's am I am I wrong? I think social media engagement on certain platforms is potentially down. But go ahead. There are all these articles, a spate of articles coming out. This is why we're sitting here together. You texted me and said, Hey, this, well, that's right, brother, I'm actually going to cancel my Tuesday night. Let's fucking hang.

I was like, bring your camouflage. I want to get your yeah, I'm in my come out. This is I want to get your read on this. Go ahead. There are people out there making persuasive, compelling arguments that the your beloved social media, my beloved social media people are sick of. Yes, they're sick of it. Yes, they realized how toxic it is. Yes, they're going to go back to their regular lives, whatever the hell that means. They're going to unplug from this thing. That's good. And then the internet is not going to be the sole driver of culture in our lives anymore. What is going to be Netflix? I don't know your podcast. I don't know. I hope both of those things. I'm in deals with both, but the reality is you. Will you allow this to happen?

Will you let this happen? Will you let people you want to hear something insane? Will you let people you want to hear something insane and just kiss their kids and be happy? Do you know how pumped I would be if social disappeared? I mean, that seems crazy to hear. Why? I fucking built on email before that or like the like, I only care about where the attention is. Right. And I'll follow that. Right. So like to me, if Facebook and Twitter and Snap and TikTok all went, you know, yeah, people like TikTok might be banned. The whole company's texting me like, what the fuck? I'm like, good. Right. Like it's completely irrelevant. Right. All I care about is trying to understand where people are paying attention. And then I try to create value in

that channel, whether that's a fucking book or if I have to go outside and fucking talk on a corner, I'm interested. When you look at social media and you see that it is quite toxic. Well, that's because people are toxic. Of course they are. But social media also allows them to be toxic. Well, what do you want? Massive amounts of people. Well, you want it regulated? I'm not saying regulated. I'm just saying people seem to be kind of detached. No. Yes. I totally agree. That's good. That is good. I love the merit of the market. Okay. If it's not bringing you value, what the fuck are you doing? People come up to me all the time, like literally at the airport, like Gary, Instagram. I'm like, like Instagram is what's going on with it. I'm like, it's just people

drinking drinks out of hot dogs and it's it's sick. But do you understand this is kind of a portal to hell? We've all opened here. Well, a little bit. I don't think so. It's a little bit of a portal to how I'm moonwalking to heaven because of it. Well, that's a great way to say you're going to hell is moonwalking to heaven. Is that true? That's what someone would say. If they were going to hell, you'd say, man, if I end up in hell, I'm going to be like, motherfucking TD. If you fucking send me here, you will colonize it quickly. I'll dominate. You would dominate. I'll get everybody happy. Yeah. Come on. This is not good. What is the main focus of when you look at these people saying that the internet's people are kind of getting,

you know, take stepping back. It means nothing to you. In fact, you like it. You think this is a good thing. I think these are articles being written based on the article that you're probably referring to is like, oh, it's more about TikTok and YouTube and like it's more about entertainment. And I'm like, who's providing the entertainment? Right. It's humans. Yeah. Like I love this concept that like nothing. Look, any ideology one has. Yeah. Dris no matter where it is. Right. You just have to base it on what people are actually doing. Does the I'm going to tell you, let me just finish this for sure. People are not using this shit less. Right. But if they are cool. If there's a fat girl on Instagram, it's a different sausage every day. Yes. She deserved to be famous. Do you

know what I mean? Of course. Anybody deserves this. But Gary, don't you see why some people think that's crazy? I think it's crazy that you and I are famous. I don't even know if we are, but you are very famous. You are very. Brother, what do you have to animals after you? You go to fucking Australian, fill out fucking arenas. Well, the people in Australia have been very kind and good. Okay. They're very, very, very nice people. Yes. I've said horrible things about them, but they've been very nice. I actually think that there is no fame. It's been commoditized and everybody's got some sort of audience. Right. And I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome that Sean can do what he does with comedy and people that that does. What does Sean do? Sean is going to be as big as you in

three years. That's I listen, he should be bigger than me now. But what does he do instead of curiosity? He works at 137 p.m., which is a media platform that I own here in my VaynerX world. Okay. But he really, he's a future comedic superstar. Wow. I really think he's very, I really do think he's extremely talented. God bless. Good luck. Thank you. And I think you, if you dug in, would like actually believe that's true. I don't doubt it. I feel like he's part of the crew that you came up with. Like you would see it. Anyway, none the less. Have we met? Have we met or not? I saw you at Discang Fast very briefly, but we did not. Oh, you went to Discang Fast? Yeah. Okay. Oh, she's plugged in. He's plugged in. Like, all right. By the way, I just plugged in. I just said

that strictly selfish so I could cut it in four years. I mean, like I predicted this kid was going to be a student. That was all selfish. How much of what you do, do you, are you doing knowing that it's all of it? There's something. Are they, what are they doing in tests? All of it because, yeah, if you're listening right now, the building is doing a test. That's good. It's authentic. Yeah. Everything. I am petrified to be wrong. Right. So everything I say publicly, I'd like to be right about. Sam Bankman Fried calls you. What do you tell him? What's your advice to a guy at this point in his life? He's a young guy. I have thought, believe it or not, you'll appreciate this. I have followed this so little. It is very seemingly that he's in fraudsville. And I think

what he needs to do is like really go through like some help to understand how he got into this place into fraudsville. Yeah. So he's got to maybe get some therapy to get into fraudsville. I think so. Better help online therapy. We'll do it. I'm sure. So you're company because there's people that don't understand what you do. Right. That's my favorite. No, it's true. They go, wait, he's there. He's everywhere, but we don't understand what he does. Have you watched the show Mad Men? Yes. That's what I do for a living. I own a very large version of the advertising giants that you're helping companies connect with people on social media. Yeah. Also, so you could help my social media get better. Not yours because I'm not big enough, but some. No, no.

But like, yes, correct. Not people. Right. But a company. Yes. Companies. Coldstone Creamery. I would love to come to you and say we need more fat sad people to come into our establishments that we put in strip malls. Why does it have to be fat and sad? Because that's where you build your market, Gary. No, there's there's kids and families every now and then after the little league game, but you build your market. Coldstone on a guy who's had enough who comes in and just wants. Do you like coldstone? Like it's not bad. It's good, right? It's not bad. I've been fat and sad. And I'm telling you, there are markets that are built on the backs of sad people that are doing the wrong thing. There's nothing wrong with that. I understand. Yes. You have to connect

with everybody, you know? So but those so companies are for you. It's not people. Correct. Okay. Interesting. And so for me, these companies waste so much money on traditional TV commercials, banner ads on websites. It's actually scary how poorly the Fortune 500 ecosystem spends their marketing dollars. And so we came 13 years ago and have really built a large 2000 person global company that I'm really proud of and I really enjoy operating. Who are the most interesting entrepreneurs that you've seen up close that you've worked with that you think are? I don't know how many of them you can say or not that you look at and they embody the values of somebody who can really, you know, innovate and change the world. Like who are the people that I'm a big fan of

Evan Williams. He was Jack Dorsey's partner at Twitter. Okay. He did blogger. And then he did Odeo, which was a podcast thing that kind of got crushed because Apple came out with its iTunes. And then he did Twitter with Jack and he was instrumental. He was the first CEO, I believe. I've always thought, you know, what do you think of Jack? I don't know Jack super well, like he really invented the concept of Twitter. Right. And I loved that he was running Twitter. What's with the outfits where he dresses like a shaman? He's cool. Yeah. No, that's disturbing. Oh, it's disturbing. Well, it's a little off-putting. It's, but I get it. It's cool for a minute, but then it gets odd. But, but these guys are interesting. They're unique, eccentric people.

Evan is super not. Okay. I think what Evan is is just very in tune with consumers. I really like people that really Sarah Blakely with Spanx. Okay. If you really look at how she built that brand, very in tune with like what I get excited about is when people really have a good sense of what the masses want. Okay. I'm intrigued by that. Like truly being like, Hey, this is missing. Or this would be awesome if it existed. Right. And it doesn't have to be something as profound as like what Elon and like and Jack, you know, like it could be literally Spanx. It could literally be like, you know, like, like who thought of like bottled water? Like, like I actually think that it's interesting. It would have been a ridiculous concept. It was fucking free.

Somebody's like, no, people will actually want this, this way. I'm always fascinated by that. Are you fascinated by this? And I'm sure you are about like, you know, you look at Cosmigo's tequila with George Clooney. Yes. Look at the, what the Kardashians. Yes. All this influence are capital, right? Celebrity capital where it's like, their value is in their audience, their name, things like that. That's a very interesting they're partnering with, you know, it's funny. I also grew up in the liquor industry. My dad had a liquor store. And what I will tell you is what people don't know about Ryan Reynolds, Jin or the rocks or Clooney's tequila is what they've, a lot of these celebrities have done.

Well, is they've actually made really good products. So what used to happen in, especially alcohol is like the Rolling Stones would like give their name to a wine. It would be like bulk bullshit wine. And it was like a novelty gift somewhere around 20 years ago, people started getting serious and making like actual good stuff. So now what I think is fascinating about that whole genre is they're not mailing it in on the product. And I think it's a preview of what you're going to see more and more, which is like, it's not a private label that just puts a celebrity on it, which was the whole move of the eighties and nineties. People are trying to build actual things. And I do think people like Mr. Beast and others are going to build multi-billion-dollar

companies. Mr. Beast seems to be like the guy. He's doing a really good job. Yeah. I mean, he's also like, you know, like he goes more into your world where like, when I think about you, when I think about like, there's people that have craft. Yeah. His videos on YouTube is craft. Brilliant. Like my craft is just the words and ideas that come out of my mouth, but it's not the production. And like, like he is craft. Yeah. And, you know, the Beast burger thing has been huge. The chocolate thing's been huge. He's a young dude. He understands like giving a shit about your audience, playing the long game. He's been patient. Companies that go through challenging periods. Can they come back? The Weinstein company. How does the Weinstein company, because let's be honest, they made

great movies and they had some problems. Yes. How does the Weinstein company come back? Van your media. You're there. You take them on as a client. You sit them in one of these beautiful conferences. How do you get them back? Make great movies. That's right. Don't just you go back to basics. You go back to basics and you just ignore. Well, the people are going to say nasty things. I think I think things evolved, right? Like Adidas and BMW were Nazi driven companies. Do you say the sketchers do a Nazi shoe with Kanye? No, I don't. No, because at the end of the day, do you? Yes, because there's nothing going on at sketchers. Right. If they did kind of a Nazi boot that could play in middle America. So, TD,

you believe it is in Sketchers best business 100% strategy to create a Nazi to go. Nazi boot. Huge respect because I don't know what else is going on over there. You know, I mean, do you have time to join the strategy team of some of my competitors? Listen, who are your competitors? Who are the people? Who are the people out there? Do you have enemies? Do you have people you want to crush? Is it like succession where you sit back here and you go, there's another marketing guy and I want him dead and I want his family dead. I think that's where people have a real fucked up view of the world. The world is fundamentally abundant. There's nobody that's taking any fans from you. Right. Like there's plenty of comedians. They're all over the streaming

services. It's a renaissance for all you guys and gals. It's awesome. But I promise you the seven to 10 people that are in the game that you look at that you admire, that you think are good, that are bad, whatever, none of them are taking anything from you. No. And what Joe Rogan has done is kind of shown people that by sharing. Correct. And by doing all that stuff, you actually help each other, help yourself. So you're 100% right. I look, do I want to win? Of course. I'm competitive. I like to be as successful as I can be at the game that I'm playing. But like as a Jets fan, when the Jets lose a football game and the game's over and they take their helmets off and they're giving love to the opponent, I hate that. Right. Because I'm pissed. Right. Because

I'm a fan. Right. Fanatic. Yeah. And I want to fucking punch the TV because I'm like, fuck those guys. Don't even shake their hand. Right. But when I do it in real life, aka pitching for business and we lose it, like, I'm not angry about that. I don't think anyone's taking anything from me. And so like, I don't, I don't really have a feeling where I have negative feelings towards people. I want to win every time. But if not cool, and I'm definitely not going to be like, Sally or Rick or pieces of shit, because they flip out on the staff ever. Do you give those meetings? Do you give those like, you know, like Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross meetings where it's like always be closing? I think the concept of leading with fear is fucking asinine. Right. No, I do

not do that. Okay. So you're more of like a kind of like, I don't know what you would say, but more of like a lover. A lover. Yeah. Okay. So you're not Logan Roy. You're not going in there and like, okay, do you what are you when you when you first started making money? What were the things that you liked? Was it a nice car? Was it a watch? Was it are you into stuff like that? Or was it just like stuff? I did like buying like custom jet jerseys of like random players that nobody knew who the fuck they were. Okay. But that's like $90. Right. I don't really like to buy stuff. I do like vacations. I like spending time with my friends and family. Like I love I'm huge. That to me is humongous. I'd much rather spend on like paying for like my family's flights or shit like

that. That's the big luxury place for me. Right. So it's not things. I don't want things. It's experiences. I want the game. Right. Experiences. Yes. You want the game. You like the game. You just like I'm just curious how great of an entrepreneur am I is a question I'd like answered for myself before I die. That's a very interesting question. How great of an entrepreneur because since you're a little kid, you just love making, making businesses, making money, making things happen. Yes. And you want to take that as far as you can take it. I'm genuinely curious of how great am I at the game of business. Right. On the flip side, in parallel, I love, you know, I love the game so much that I want to give back to it. Back to Joe that you mentioned. Yeah.

I really fuck with comedians. Yeah. I really do. And I'll tell you why. I love the following scenario when I watch documentaries and I watch a lot of shit. I always collecting. I always love hearing all of you guys and gals talk about when you had a set at the laugh factory and a fucking OG came up to you and gave you daps. Yeah. I've always been very fascinated by that. Like just the concept of people at the top of the game loving their game so much that they're willing to give love for the kids that are on the come up. Yeah. And I do a ton of that in the entrepreneur land. I want to leave a legacy that brings value to the other people trying to play this game. How do people get jobs at fan your media? Do that? How does it? Do you see someone doing

something in life? Do you ever go? You're at a restaurant and you see a guy who's just the best waiter, the best bartender and you go, listen, dude, you can come here. That was very common at Vayner early on. It's less common now because I haven't been out in about the last three years because of COVID and I'm not traveling as much. Right. And at this point, we're just getting bombarded with hundreds of applications a week. Right. Like these guys that are in the room right now, they all have a similar look to them. It's an intensity that's terrifying. Yes. And you could tell it behind their eyes. There's nothing and you could just and they're ready to kill you personally at any moment. Anyone. Yes. There's trees just being chopped down in their heads.

And, and, but there's something about that. I think it's good. Like I look at these people and I go, these are good people. How do you find them? I think it becomes momentum. Like a lot of its word of mouth, a lot of its random. Dustin, get on the mic real quick and get close. How'd you get your job? Dustin, tell us. I applied like a regular person. And what happened? We could sit into the mic just because we want the people to know. Got applied, applied twice, got rejected both times. Then you kidnap Gary's children. It's smart. It's a good, I wish it was that easy, but then the director at the time just hit me up an email, said come in for an interview. I said, okay, cool. Had the interview, gave me a homework

assignment, did the homework assignments, never heard from him again. Then four months later, calls me out of the blue and was like, Hey, he's still interested in the job. He said, yes, come in. Let's, I mean, and we'll see what we'll go from there. And then just Sean went hard. Editing, or well, I applied twice. Yep. And then in your back started popping off on TikTok a little bit. Right. Yeah. Well, then I stopped because I was upset about a girl and I had a wall in my life and then may hit me up. She was like, Hey, we love your stuff. Well, you edit Gary's TikToks. Wow. For two months. 2020 P COVID. I'm depressed as fuck. I just bombed an interview

at an investment bank because I thought I had COVID files and died. That was such a depression. I see your blog post about the post creative strategy as well. I'm like, this looks interesting. Like I like reading comments. I could do this, but I think I could do it really well. I literally just applied online. I had like 10 different interviews with like all the different teams, like animals, eventually ended up on DFF. Do you ever sit in the interview? Not anymore. You're intimidating. No, no. Come in. No, I think I, I do at the most, my direct reports, the C suite and things of that nature. I use the C suite is the top, the top. This is the top. This is the top. You don't get to the C suite without competence. Yeah. Confidence,

probably. Oh, competence. Well, I'm guessing that you have competence. That's a good point. You know, the reality is hiring is guessing. Right. Like I really go on my intuition. But, you know, it's funny you said early on the way we started this, I'm so confident in my intuition that that's why I think I do so well with people razzing me or making like literally the first time I ever saw any of the stuff that you were saying. Right. I had already been aware of some of your comedy and saw this, some of the stuff. It was within a hundredth of a second. I'm like, this is a good dude. Right. Like while all my friends are like, yo, we're going to beat the fuck out of TV. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like, he's a great dude. They're like, what? All right.

You know, the trees in the eyes like that. Yeah. You know, so for me, the same thing with hiring, comma, I've mis-hired so much in my fucking life that I know it's fucking guessing. It's guessing. It's fucking guessing. Of course, you get more experiences. You get the great fucking hairs. No different than your sets are stronger today than 15 years ago. Yeah. But every fuck. I mean, I've made a couple hires in the last 18 months. Literally, I'm just laughing at how bad these people are right now. Yeah. What makes somebody great as an employee or not, you know, somebody who is like, what makes somebody better in the business situation and what makes somebody worse? Like, is it somebody who's able to leave their stuff at the door? In our company, it's not

not believing in cynicism and not being scared. Okay. Because we have unlimited doors. My doors open. Our people team is huge. Like the way we do HR is fucking different. And like, if you're going to bring cynicism of the places you worked in the past, it's going to lead to politics and you're going to lose. If you're willing to kind of let go and over communicate whatever's bothering you or things of that nature, you will crush. Yeah. When you're telling companies how to reach people. Yes. What's the most important? You know, you know, they go, we want to get to consumers. Creative strategy per social media platform. Okay. Understanding. Like for you, for example. Yeah. Back to your social. Yes. I would do a lot more on LinkedIn if I were you.

I, you know what, this is brilliant because I've never thought about that. So I think a lot of your comedy is super thoughtful. Now, I didn't even know I could do something on LinkedIn. Correct. Do you mean comedy or start like a healthcare fraud company on LinkedIn? Because I'll do that. I know you will. Okay. But I highly recommend you get thoughtful about taking some of your clips. Yeah. Clipping it for LinkedIn and writing copy that is a hair. Take like 10 miles off your fastball. Yeah. And I think you would fucking crush. That's very interesting. So it's, it's creative strategy. It's understanding that a video on TikTok is going to act different than a video on YouTube shorts and a video on Twitter. It's, you know, you'll really like this

because this is, there's no way to be a big time comedian without understanding this. Every platform is a different room. Right. Right. So like when you're touring the US, you know, I know this about your comedy because I've, as I've dug in, as we've gotten friendly on text a little bit, I like am more curious and I'm always kind of rooting more. You have to know somebody. Your, your comedy is going to be different in city by city, country by country. Always different. So for me, same with the way I do public speaking and definitely the backbone of why I want on social. Like I understand the room that I'm in and for me, it's you're trying to get them to laugh and think I'm trying to get them to think and do. Right. And so I think that's

where people are missing. They think, let me make a piece of content and I'm going to blast it on all these platforms. I'm thinking, oh, I'm in TikTok tonight. Well, I'm in like Buffalo for 40 people. I have to give a, I have to give a Josh Allen joke. Right. Oh, I'm in Australia. Let me give a footy joke and a Cooper's beer, not a Budweiser. And so contextual creative is the number like out of this entire podcast for all the people listening, this little part right here is the single thing that can make their career or their little business or their big business go further understanding how to make content for the place you're fucking distributing it. Right. Right. What do you think about the resurgence of NFTs? When does that happen? I have no idea.

You have no idea because now you're in the winter. We're in crypto winter. This is the death. This is when this is tough. This is when B players get smoked out. B players. Yeah. The C and D and F players are literally already gone. They're dead. They're dead. B players are going to get the frost bite and get their toes cut off. How bad has it gotten? What's a crypto punk going for now? Maybe the floor is like 70, 80 K and it was horrible. Well, crypto punks is the one because that guy that's going to be the one. Yeah. Like, you know, I can only talk about what I'm doing. That's the only one I'm sure of, including mine. If I die tomorrow, V friends can't be what it was supposed to be right from V friends to world of women to board

eight to all of them. Yeah. It requires the operator to make it awesome over the next 20 years to justify the whole thing. You said every business is going to eventually have an NFT strategy of 100%. You said when three is going, it's an inevitable thing. Correct. It's going to happen. Yes. You don't know when. Well, I think over the next decade or two, that will be obvious. And here's what I mean by that. Almost every, every, like the amount of companies that have an app on the iPhone is remarkable. Right. There's like local pizza restaurants that have one location in Maine that have an app. Right. Not every single app is going to become TikTok and Instagram. Same with NFTs. The technology of NFT is going to work for every business,

but not every project is going to be born at yacht club. Right. So it's technology, not about the collectability. When do you think the metaverse, because the metaverse, those things look horrible. Are you excited on some real shit? Yeah. Real shit. Because you're a smart dude. Sure. Are you excited about doing virtual events in 15 years? I kind of am, yes. I think you're going to crush that. Yes. I'm excited about that. And where are you going to live full time when you don't have to go anywhere? Well, right now, according to the IRS, I file in Dubai. Right. Taxes in Dubai. And I have a mask where I run most of my business through. No, but real talk. Yeah.

What's your get? What's your absolute guess? Just for fun so we can recall it and clip it and see how right you are. Okay. 16 years from now. Yes. VR is at full scale. Yes. You don't have to go anywhere. Okay. You are going to have a home base and you're going to do 200 shows a year. Yeah. And you're not going to fucking travel. Interesting. Where do you physically live? In the middle of the ocean. In like a, in like a pod, like a pirate, like a pod. What do you think about Austin, Texas? Everyone's saying it's the next thing. Everybody's going to Austin. Are you going to be left behind living in New York like some loser? Look at this dump. Have you been to Austin? Have you seen it? They have a barbecue and

lesbians. Don't you want to go there instead of this? We have barbecues and lesbians in New York. Yeah. No, I know. But what do you say? Now we all know Austin's a dump and the people who are moving there are insane. But what do you think about it? Where do you stand out? Are you with them or are you against them? I'm with everyone. You're with everybody? You can't because that he was not one. Of course you can. You can't be with everyone. Of course, Adam. Would you ever live in Austin, Texas? 100% no. Never. Never. And now why? Because I'll never leave New York. Okay. I would never live in LA. I would never live in Detroit. I would never live in Florida. What do you think it is about New York for you specifically?

The New York Jets. Is that it? Yes. Is that true? Yes. This is so insane. Thank God you do this because you really could have been a killer. You could have killed him. You really could have. Like as I sit here to this interview, it's like, thank God you were an entrepreneur because there's another version of you that's just wanted. Killing people. I just... You love the Jets. I love the Jets. See, it's funny to me because I used to be a tour guide on a double-decker bus before I had any money to do in comedy. Yep. And there was one guy named Bernie who was this guy. He was this older guy. He was always like, I don't have any money. I live in a Bronx. It's horrible. And I go, why don't you move? You know, they have tour buses other places. Yankees.

And I swear to God, he went, I like the Yankees. It's insane. It was the only other time you heard somebody this insane. It was the only other time I heard it. Here in this colossus. And then Bernie, the tour guide, is probably God rest his soul. I imagine he's dead. Bernie, I hope you're alive. If you are, please hit us up, DS. This is the place, man. It's obviously the Jets, but this is the place. Where else? Why? Right. It's got everything. There's so many people. I love people. It's got so many people. It's always crowded. It's always alive. But Austin has tacos that you can eat in the morning. They call them breakfast tacos. We have those two. It's a big thing there. There's nothing anybody has that we don't have.

Well, okay. If you say, no, of course, I know that you're correct. I mean, that's, it's the greatest. I moved to LA because, you know, because you're an entertainment. That's where the devil is. Yeah. That's where you want to be. And in my business, you have to get as close as you can to the devil before he eats your soul and then spits you out. Now that's kind of what our business is. That's what the entertainment business is. And do you always want to do it? Meet the devil? No. When I was a little kid, I was funny. And my parents, you know, I lived a kind of crazy life. And it was, I did drugs early and I was precocious and I liked adults. I liked hearing adult conversations when I was a kid. I liked people that were sarcastic and rude and cynical and

all the things that became funny. I liked people that were like, smoke cigarettes outside and like, fuck this. And I was drawn to it. I was drawn to it. I always thought that was kind of funny, like the guy at the dinner who would say, you know, oh, you know, like, I just remember like hearing like when I was a little kid, like, uh, you know, my mother's friend was outside the house and like, I think she was like smoking a cigarette. And she was like, oh, she was talking about somebody. She's like, total piece of shit. And I was like, oh, I want to do that for a living. Like it was just funny. There was something funny and free about the way people chose to look at the world because there is so much horror and there's so much sadness. And like you said,

I'm not a communist. So I know you'll never alleviate all of it. Like all the utopians go, we can alleviate all that you want. So the reality is you do get to a point where you go, if you couldn't look at and frame things in a fun way. You're talking about perspective. Yeah. Perspective. I absolutely believe it's funny we got here. I would have been really pissed if we didn't touch on this exact thing. Yeah. I think it's the whole game. I actually think you and I are the same. I mean, that's crazy. Let me explain. I mean, it could be true. I actually think this is why we have a nice kinship. I think San Bank and Friedenme are the same. Yeah, fair enough. But I'm telling you, I think this is why we have a little bit of a kinship.

I think the way you just framed that is exactly how I live my life, which is you do it from a framework of, and it's why I touched on it earlier, of like, hey, it's heavy. Let's decide to look at it like this and smile about it a little bit and maybe think a little bit and it might lead to something. Yes. And I genuinely think the same thing. Like literally everything I believe in is like, okay, and now what? Yeah. Everything is and now what? Should I come out with a line of the French? Should I have like racist rhino where it's like a rhino who's just like a product of his time? He's a product of his time. He's not. He is. No, it's just 1957. He's not malicious. It was 1957. He just doesn't know what he doesn't know. I mean, do you tend to view the future of

technology with all pot? You have very rose colored glasses, which I like. I don't think so. But you think I'm practical. There are some dark things coming with the tech, right? You know, I love when people are like, Jack, fucked everything up. I'm like, I was like, do you remember Hitler? Like, like, like, do you remember? Imagine Hitler now. You know, what about him? He'd be probably worse. Would it? Or would have canceled or would have he not gotten that far globally? Great point. Like I would argue that there's no shot he got that far, right? Because the information would have flowed too fast. What do you think about if Hitler, yeah, is on Twitter? Do you kick him off? Man, that's fucking hard. It's a crazy question. I feel

Hitler on Twitter, you know, like, it's a great film. If anyone wants to make that, I think, I think the biggest elephant in the room on that is, does the government want to regulate tech companies or not? Because people asking tech companies to make subjective calls is fucking impossible. Right. It's hard. It's very difficult. I think that's a very tough thing as a comic to I think it's specifically hard for people that are, you know, you know, you know, that engage in things like satire, sarcasm, engage in like things that, you know, are tougher to read on social media because you don't hear my voice. It's not a live show. You're not, you know, so your your irony, all these things kind of can get lost. The lucky thing is that I actually

believe back to my rosy colored glasses, I do think that people understand intent. I would argue that what's really hurting a lot of people who are very quick to cancel is that they're completely tone death to intent, thus rendering it very difficult to have it be palpable to human beings. Right. When you're just like, fuck that person, you're like, it's so fucking clear that that person is tongue-in-cheeking this. And so like that's where people really struggle when we take away intent and context from the conversation. That's why we're challenged right now. How much do you travel for your job? Are you all over the place? I mean, before COVID all over the place. Yeah. We have offices in London and Singapore and LA and Mexico City. Have you slowed

down? Yes. Will you ever slow down? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Look, I'm, I'm simple, bro. Yeah. I'm fucking simple. Like, I'm high energy and I'm pumped and I'm excited and passionate. But like, none of this shit fucking matters. Right. Like, honestly, like, like back to the how this fucking show started. Why are you not upset? Because I don't think I mean anything. Right. People are fucking confused out here. Well, you know, it's important. Your family, the end, right. Exactly. Like fucking like what the fuck like the reason people get upset is because they think there's somebody and I tell people like, did you see what happened to Prince? Prince really fucking culturally meant something. Right. Poor guy passes. Yeah. We fucking are all hurt. We give him 24 hours

of flowers. And then a week later, the world's spinning. Right. Everyone's walking around getting offended as if they mean something. If you're if you a guy like Trump, right, these companies had some interesting things. Yes. What's your advice to the Trump brand? What does the Trump brand do right now? How do they turn it around? I don't know. You know, that's so complicated. It is, but you're the guy to tell them. Maybe some of them listen. Yes. The opening question I ask everybody is what would you like to accomplish? They want to keep having money and get the feds off their back. I think that shit has sailed. You know what I mean? Like that goes back like every time somebody comes into this office, I'm like, what would you like to happen?

Yeah. And I always tell them like good marketing just speeds up everyone finding out the truth about your product. Right. Back to when you said social media, right? Like everyone's like social media. I'm like, social media exposes. It speeds up the exposure of. Interesting. It doesn't change. Everyone's like, it's doing all this shit. The algorithm, the algorithm is responding to you. They want to sell ads. Right. They want to fucking sell ads. Right. No different than Seinfeld. You know why Seinfeld got paid a fucking fortune by NBC? They sold ads. They sold fucking ads. Right. If you're looking at cars all day long and searching cars, you're going to see fucking cars in your content. Right. Like everyone, like they love, people love this. People love this idea of a

Wizard of Oz. Mark Zuckerberg is not sitting at fucking home being like, oh, Ricky Thompson, the 16 year old, I'm going to send him some poison now. Right. It's so fucking delusional. Right. You know what you should start talking more about that will land? Yes. Instead of people blaming platforms, why don't we start having a more modern conversation about parenting? I believe, by the way, 100% I'm with you there. Let's go, my man. Let's team. Maybe we should go on a tour. Yes. You and I. And talk about parenting. And just fucking talk about this. But there are good parents. There's unlimited good parents. Caitlyn Jenner and the other one. Because what they did was they, what's her name? Oh, Chris. Because what they did, Chris and Caitlyn, is they made their family

into a multi-billion dollar business that's cheapened and destroyed and hastened the demise of earth. That's good. And I think his parents, that's good. You know what's interesting about that? I think it's good that 13 year old get plants and surgery. They look nicer. I've got a hot take for you on that one. Yes. A counter take. Yes. It's insane how much those siblings love each other. I love. How about that? How about a curveball? If all of my siblings were billionaires, do you know how much I'd love them? Do you have any idea how much I love them? If our love was commodified? I'm incredibly impressed about that family on that front. But I'm impressed by Kim. I've said she should be the governor of California. I think she's a hard worker. Will you be a governor? I

might run for something. Yeah. You're going to. It might. You see it, right? I wish I should do it. I can't be president. So I'm out. Well, you could help me. I would help you. And we could figure out a way to do it. I'm telling you right now. I felt the other day, maybe I should run for something. I'm telling you right now. If I don't win, it'd be a great big. No different than you texted me and said, Hey, social media is dead. Do you want to do the show? And boom, was I there? You were here. I fucking changed my plans. Got here today to do it. I appreciate it. In nine years when you text me and be like, Yeah, I want to be the governor of Kansas. Yeah, I will be right there. And we will have to start at Kansas. Yeah, I want you in. I want you in Kansas. That's horrible. Why?

Because it's rough out there. But then you could kind of do what you want. No, Kansas is awesome. You could kill. Kansas is awesome. You don't think Kansas is awesome. Kansas would make me live in Austin. What do you think's going on with Miami? Hold on. I just got to make sure. Miami. I like it down there. It's warm. Coke Paradise, the future of crypto, the crypto hub. What's it going to be? A lot of tech people. My favorite thing about Miami is that all my all my New York buddies who moved down there and claimed that they were going to be there post COVID are back. Are back. And I want a lot of side bets with all of them. That's interesting. Their delusion that they were actually going to be entertained enough and stimulated enough to actually live

there full time was so funny to me that they didn't understand that one day COVID would be over and you actually would have New York back to New York. Right. And I was fascinated by people's delusion on that. Yeah. Miami is a great place to visit. And that's Austin. It's all of them, right? That's just a great. They're actually, listen, Austin, Miami, these are great cities. They are. But compared to fucking New York. You can't. It's like dog shit. What do you think of LA? You think it's a dump? I don't love LA, but but I love it. I mean, I like it. Again, if let me take a big step back. Every place besides Boston, because they have the Patriots is lovely. Okay. None of them are even in the fucking stratosphere of New York City. Right. So none of them are.

They're really not. It really is. It's the greatest city in the world. So I'm always going to be New York out when I say that. But all these places are awesome. Now, are you a guy that before he goes to bed every night, how's the card style puts on a hoodie and just throw someone in front of a train? No, just to sleep at night. Do you get off on that kind of energy? Do you sleep easy? Sometimes I sleep like I literally am out like a light. Yeah, don't wake up at all. Occasionally, once in a blue moon, need to drink water, never have to piss straight, eight hours, seven hours out. No stress. One last piece of advice, because by the way, I do I want to thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. Happy to do it.

One last piece of advice for all of the people right now that have an idea that they really believe in. Yeah. And it hasn't worked. And it hasn't worked yet. It hasn't worked. Understand that there's a couple of things. One, it might be timing. You just might be too early or too late. Timing is a real thing. Two, you might not be good at executing your idea. And it might be a good idea to bring a partner in to help you do it. Okay. Right. Like it's okay. 50% of something meaningful is a fuckload better than 100% of nothing. Right. And so I think humility is like a huge, huge factor in all this. Yeah. And so if it hasn't happened yet, timing, maybe you need more patience, or look yourself in a mirror and be like, hey, I'm good at the idea,

but I can't fucking make it come true. Let me go find somebody that can. Sam Bankman-Freedy, if you're listening, I want you to say that to yourself in the mirror right now, because me and Gary Vaynerchuk support you and love you. And we want you back. We want you back as soon as possible. And because it's a great idea, whatever it was, the crypto exchange, and just come back. We love you, Gary. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Good luck. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. That was fun. It was fun. It was a blast. Okay, good. That was fun. It's a lot of great shit. You