The Tim Dillon Show - 330 - The Joe Rogan Experience

Episode Date: January 8, 2023

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How many cigars are you smoking now? What a show. No more than one. No more than one? More than one I get sick. Is it? It kind of bleh. Do you get any nicotine from it?

Oh yeah. You do. Yeah, for sure. Everybody does. Interesting. That's why they smoke cigars. They don't just smoke it for the taste. That's stupid.

That makes sense. But you don't inhale. No, but you do. The tobacco is, you know, it's pure tobacco and you're getting that in your mouth and you're getting the nicotine in your mouth. So you get a buzz? Yes. 100%.

Yeah, 100%. We were even considering Ari and I were smoking cigars once in the beginning of sober October. We were like, are we cheating? I kind of feel like we're cheating. I feel like I'm getting kind of high. People get high from cigars. 100%. Interesting.

It's just a different kind of high. It's a nice conversational high. It's relaxed. It's similar to cigarettes where you don't get, you're not fucked up, but cigarettes do provide like a relief or a release, whatever that nicotine is. Why is nicotine so addictive? It's not that addictive. I mean, I like it, but I can, like if I was smoking a vape pen a lot, I was doing it every

day and then I just took it off and just didn't do it for a week and I stopped craving it totally. But maybe that's just me. You have a constitution. It's easier for you. You're very disciplined. Other people struggle with that. There's other people that cannot do that.

Cigarettes are tough. I've given up cocaine, alcohol, pills, marijuana. I've not done a drug in 12 years, but cigarettes are tough. And I haven't smoked now for two months, but the one day in the near future, and I don't know when. Someone's going to give you a cigarette. They're not even going to give it to me. Can you just reach for it?

I'm going to request it. And you're going to spark it out? And I'm going to have a cigarette and then I'm just going to be sitting somewhere having a cigarette, not knowing how it happened. Wouldn't it be awesome if they were good for you? It would be amazing. Well, I love that scene from Sleeper, Woody Allen movie, where they freeze him and he wakes up and they go, he goes, what should I eat for breakfast?

They go red meat, eggs, and cigarettes. And he goes, what? He goes, no, it's all good for you. He goes, everything we thought was bad for you was great for you. It's like have some chocolate cake. It was like, it's such a great scene. Well, they're right about red meat and eggs. Yes, some of it's correct, right?

Do you think the sugar industry, because they're behind a lot of the fat activism stuff. Are they really? Yeah. So if you look at it, a lot of the people that go, listen, there's no difference. Because they just had this article, the LA school district was like, don't tell kids that junk food's bad, because it's classist and racist or whatever. It's insanity. Don't tell them there's any difference between foods.

And it's all linked to this, be always body positive, no matter what. And a lot of that is backed by Nestle. Well, I know there were some body positive people that were on social media that found out we're getting backed by Nestle or one of those companies. Yeah. Yeah. And they were promoting the idea that there's no difference in foods and there is no junk food and it's all about your mental health and.

Yeah. And you're mentally healthy, apparently eating just ice cream on a couch. But it's all, it's so unscientific and the fact that that doesn't get fact checked online is so crazy. You can say something about COVID or something about something else and you'll immediately get that little banner underneath your post that'll tell people what you're saying. Well, they always use some example of a person who's robust, a little chubby and go, this person's healthy.

And then they'll always point to a skinny, heroin addict and go, this person isn't. And you go, yeah, but that's not the overall thing. Even if you're like 50, 60 pounds overweight and you fit, you're still less healthy than you would be if you weren't 50, 60 pounds overweight. I think some of it is that there was a weird period when I was growing up where all the models were like sickly thin. Yeah. Where they were like gaunt.

They wanted them to be like hangers. They didn't really want them to have bodies. Well, it was like the Balenciaga thing, right, that came up with the kids where it was like, this is creepy and they're weird. And of course, you probably saw that, like that weird advertisement where it's like kids have these BDSM bears, these bears that are dressed up at like leather daddies and kids have them. And people in fashion have always been creepy and weird because like when I was growing up,

the 90s, it was heroin chic and they made all these young girls look like they were strung out junkies. So it was like they've always been kind of off. Well, don't they kind of promote amphetamines to a lot of those gals? I hope so. Yes. But you can't be against fat activism and against amphetamines. Right.

Like somebody's, you know, no, they do. I'm sure they promote, well, fashion is all that sexual currency. Like everybody asked me about how, you know, they talk about Hollywood, they go like, Hollywood's run on like sex appeal. I'm like, not the one I'm in. I'll tell you right now. Are you in Hollywood though? Yeah, I have no idea.

I have a house there, but this idea that like people talk about Hollywood, like it's just one thing and they're like, it's run on sexual currency. I'm like, yeah, not the lineup at the improv, you know, like not the lineup at the comedy store. How about Roseanne? Right. There's a lot of people where it wasn't. But like, yeah, those fit because all of these human trafficking people, they love their

like hooks into fashion. Like, oh yeah. So John Luke Brinnell, who was the guy that, you know, was like a big Epstein confidant and associate was like a high level fashion photographer. And it makes sense because like you're, they're recruiting these girls when they're young and they're impressionable and they're like, you know, hey, here's this guy and just laying back like, here's, so if you want good looking people, you're probably not going to go to a comedy club, right?

You're going to go to a modeling shoot. Now that there are good looking comics, but I mean like young impressionable, good looking people are found in modeling. So I think that's why a lot of them is a bizarre job. It's a really strange job. Pose and you like, what's the woman's name that was married to Tom Brady? Giselle Bunchin. She's worth more than him.

Well yeah. How? Just by being hot. Just by being hot. Isn't that amazing? It's huge. You're back of all time in the biggest game in all of North America and a woman just by virtue of being pretty.

Right. Wins. She wins. She wins. Well, and she's like, I'm done with this guy. He keeps wanting to play football. Yeah. But now you're looking at, it's changing.

It's changing. We're pretty now. Like if you're a model, I mean they, things, the look is changing, right? I mean, it's there, it's a lot of bigger people and it's a lot of not as pretty people or not traditionally pretty, so. Yeah. It's not all changing, but there's some. You can't deny nature.

You can't. A hundred percent. Nature is, it's all about, there was no fat activism on Epstein's Island. You know what I mean? Like he was not. Maybe there was. I mean, there's, I mean, I don't think that he was like concerned with diversity. Like the, you know, the people that are purveyors of just people's looks are just, you know.

But maybe he had a request list. He might have. Who knows? He might have. Right. You know? It's, yeah. Like you fill out a questionnaire.

Yeah. You know? Like you fill out a questionnaire. Like the spoke post. The question is like, there's been people like that that have been sex trafficking forever. Yes. But it's shocking to people that it's going on now. They're like, what?

Still? But here's, yeah, it's, it, there is sex trafficking for sure. But there's also like, I was in Romania. I did a Bitcoin guy, brought me over there to do his birthday party. I did. I did 20 minutes of comedy and I, it bombed because it was, people weren't really speaking English and the ones that could didn't love me. So some of them liked me and, and one guy pointed at me and just yelled Joe Rogan because

he had seen me on this, some Russian crazy guy just got up in the middle of the set and went, wrote again Joe Rogan and then sat down and then they like brought him out. It's, it was insane. But they paid me a lot of money to do it and then there was, you know, there's only one person there to really interview and it was Andrew Tate, so I went to his house and he's a lovely guy. Here's the thing about him and his brother. They are lovely people, whether they're human traffickers or not.

They're lovely people. I'm not for human trafficking, but they took us out for a steak dinner and there was women there and a lot of the women were quiet and I thought they were just quiet. That would be my story. If I'm called to testify, I would go, they, the women were quiet and they were obedient and many of them looked at the floor. But really? Yeah, it was, but it's Eastern Europe, Joe.

That's kind of the way they act. And coming from America was a little bit of a nice change of pace. We stunned. No, I mean, coming for this nice coming. Yeah, we stunned when he got arrested. It wasn't stunning. It wasn't like when eventually I smoke another cigarette, would I be stunned that I have a cigarette in my hand?

No. I wasn't stunned that he got arrested. It was surprising to me because, listen, people say things about somebody and you hope that they're not true, right? Because he has some wacky opinions, but he has some opinions that I would say are probably, you know, pretty, pretty reasonable and interesting that people should, you know, stop being victims and go out and work and figure stuff out and that, you know, this world does leave you out in many cases and you have to figure a way around things, right?

He calls it the matrix or whatever, but like, you have to be pretty like resilient. I think some of those messages are good. I think some of his stuff is funny and over the top, but you clearly don't want this to be true. You never want, you know, this to be true. And I hope it's not true. They think it's true. I mean, is Romania corrupt?

Yes, it's corrupt. It's a Soviet, you know, Eastern Bloc country where I think a lot of people get paid off. I think Tate even talked about that it was kind of a corrupt country and that people just kind of paid each other off. And like, I think it's just the way a lot of those Eastern European countries work where, you know, America's corruption is, and, you know, Tate kind of made this point, right? American corruption is like big deal corruption. Billionaires.

Right. You got to be, you got to have a lot of money to play the game. You got to have the, you know, serious capital. In places like that, you know, you don't have to be a billionaire to influence things. You can have a small business and have enough money to be like you're in the game. You pay, you pay people off to get the business open and then you pay people off to keep the business safe. And I think it's kind of maybe the way America worked in the 70s before corporations owned

everything. That's what it seems like. But again, I only spent, why did he move to Romania? Isn't he from the UK? Right. Yes. Well, that's certainly not a great part of his defense is that he's living in Romania. He did live there.

His attitude was, I live here because I like the freedom to do what I want. But some of his detractors would say that it's easier to get away with stuff there. He's even kind of said that. You can kind of do what you want. You can kind of do what you want. Now maybe that means driving your car fast, or so it might mean, you know, human traffic. So he runs the gamut. But you can get away.

It's a weird place to live. If you could choose to live anywhere, it's an interesting place to live. The people were lovely. You know, have you ever thought of where you'd live outside of the United States? I mean, I probably have to go back with my people in Ireland. I think we all have to go to our people. I mean, you'd go to Italy. We have to go to our people, no?

Yeah. I think. I go to my people and they're just laying around eating. I know. Maybe I'll go to your people. They stopped. They stopped building cathedrals. Yeah.

Well, my people are drinking. But I mean, I guess you, I mean, I don't know if I'd go to Brazil or something. I think, you know, I've been to Ireland. I performed in Dublin and it's kind of like, I don't know, you feel, I don't know that I'd ever live outside of the US, but you do feel like a little bit of a kinship. Do you feel any of that when you go back to Italy? Not too much. Okay.

No, I enjoy it. I enjoy their way of life. I enjoy the way they behave. I like Ireland. They're all tortured. They're tortured. They're tortured. They, you, you gotta see the new movie, The Banshees of Innochirin.

Yeah. It's really good. It's The Crew from in Bruges. It's amazing. It's like Colin Farrell, Brenda Gleason, Martin McDonough Direct. It's really good. And they shoot it in Galway, Ireland. Ireland's beautiful.

It's beautiful when it's raining. It's a beautiful place. It's not raining. Yeah. When it's not raining, it's beautiful. Yeah. But yeah, but the people there, you know, it's, it's a very different lifestyle than America.

So I don't know that I could ever do it, but I don't know. Where would you go? Well, the only reason why I'd go is if some horrible shit went down in the United States and nuclear war. And what are the chances of that? It's just, I mean, if fucking, if like Manhattan gets hit with a nuke. Right. That's not a good sign.

No. And that's when you have to really think, oh my God, do I stay here? Right. If LA gets hit with a nuke, it's like, eh, they deserve it. You know, you go, well, you know, as long as I'm not there, I'd be like, ugh, I would be sad. I would text any letterman like, love you. Goodbye.

Yeah. But yeah, but Manhattan gets hit with a nuke because New York's the nerve center of the country. So if that gets hit, we're in trouble. Isn't that weird that New York's the nerve center of the country? Not really. Why? Well, because it's number one.

It was before America. It was a Dutch fur trading outpost. It was a marketplace, but in America, the capitalist country. So the, everything's about commerce and New York predates America, right? It goes back to the 1600s. Those are really? Oh yeah. New York.

You know, before. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Before America became anything. And it's just the best city we have. It's the best we can do as a country. Now, not everyone's going to want to live in a place like New York. It's expensive.

You live on top of each other, but it's got the best of everything when you, when you think about, you know, all of the things that a country can do, New York probably does them all. It's the best for what we can do as America. Food. Yeah. I mean, everything like that. I mean, all the big companies, a lot of them are headquartered there.

It's kind of. Yeah. It's an amazing city. You have this amazing diverse population of people that all become kind of New Yorkers and all kind of meld together. It's a real city. You know, it was great about it before the crime really, really upticked. Crimes not helping.

The thing was great that you would be around. Everybody would just like, from all walks of life, would walk on the streets together and ride the subway together. It's like there's a real mixture of people, whereas in Los Angeles, people are just in their cars. Los Angeles is an isolating and lonely place where everybody's out for the same thing, which is fame. Yeah.

Well, if they're not out for it, they're out to capitalize. If they're not out for it, even the doctor in Los Angeles will brag about his celebrity clients, right? Like you're going to Los Angeles in many cases to, to build something, right? You want, and you know, it becomes, it's not a community in the way that New York is. New York feels more like a community and you get the best of everything. So you have people in New York that are like, going to be the best architects or the best chefs or, you know, maybe the best baseball players or the best whatever, you know, and

you put them all together and like, there's excellence all around. Even the buildings, when you look at the buildings in New York, you go, you know, Emory Roth or, you know, all these great architects, Henry Hardenburg built the Dakota where Lenin lived or the Plaza. Like you're just around this amazing architecture. Some of it's been around for hundreds of years and it inspires you and you feel great. I was watching this online piece about this lady who pretended to be a billionaire so that she could go to all the different places that were being sold.

Yeah. And so she could take photos of their views. Yeah. But it was a really interesting perspective. No one should have this kind of money. No one should have this kind of money. Interesting. Well, how do you stop that?

You can't stop their money. You can't stop it. And it was also like. I've been doing that too, going to places I can't afford and looking at them. But I don't take the tact that no one should have that kind of money. You take the tact that one day. I look at it and go, I'd like this kind of money. I think that there's a limit where money doesn't make you happy, but it is nice to have.

And this idea that, you know, there is a new generation of people coming up where fulfillment is the main thing, which I understand and that's good. But I also think at the end of the day, like, you know, we shouldn't lie about the fact that like being, you know, working and like getting the benefits of earning a living that you can be comfortable with is good. And you're not always going to be happy all the time. You know, not every job you have, you're not going to love, right? So I think a lot of the young kids coming up right now are like, I need to be inspired

at every moment of the day or I need to be really. And it's like, there's a lot of shit jobs that you do and you don't realize why you do them until you get to the next thing. And then you go, oh, I learned something in that job that I didn't realize I needed. Well, money doesn't make you happy, but it does relieve desperation and desperation makes you sad. That's true. That the desperation, the desperation of not knowing if you're going to be able to pay your bills and that pressure and stress of it.

I clearly remember when I got my first development deal and I got money in the bank and I just like it was like a weight, like a physical weight had lifted off my shoulders because for the first time in my life, I didn't worry about how I was going to pay the rent. And that was interesting because like that year was that 93. And that was the first time you took a breath. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, wow, this is what this feels like. It's hard, especially with comedy, because when you start, there's not a lot of money for a while. No, you're barely getting by.

You got no health insurance. You know, you're getting a couple hundred bucks here, a couple hundred bucks there. You're trying to scratch together a living, pay your rent, pay your bills, pay your gas bill. Yeah. And when you get done, you know, with the week and you pay all the stuff, you know, you don't have anything left. And that's how you're living. You live in hand to mouth.

Yeah. And you're always wondering, like, am I going to fill my books so I can get enough road work so I can pay everything? And, you know, you don't know where it's going to go. And then getting a big check. I got a big check from Disney, of all people. And I started going to restaurants and eating nice. This is my manager actually thought I had a gambling problem. Yeah. Because he saw what you were spending.

Yeah. No, I'm eating out. Right. I'm having lobster. It's it's it's interesting when you when you transition from from being anxious about that stuff to at least having a taking a breath and going to huge advantage. Yeah. It's a big advantage. You can focus more on being creative. But the hunger is good too. Yeah. The hunger of not knowing where you're going and what's going to happen.

That fuels people, but it doesn't fuel everybody. Some people don't have the Constitution for it and fucks them up. Yeah. So many of the articles you read now are about how they seem to be preparing people to live with less going. You don't need to own anything. You'll be happy. Renting a world economic forum. No, I know. I know. It's shitty.

That's nonsense. But it's also because people don't have anything. That's right. And when they don't have anything and they see people who have things, they think there's something wrong with those people. There's no way they did it the right way. Those people are all criminals. Yeah. Like there's this attitude that people have when they're poor, when they look at people that are wealthy, like those people are evil.

Like there's no way they're not evil, which is ridiculous. It's ridiculous because if you got a job that paid more money and you kept working up and you got more and more money and you're the same fucking person, now all of a sudden you're wealthy. Are you evil now? Right. Did you do this by subjugating people? Did you do this by stealing? No. Well, there's such a vast chasm of like intelligence, too, right? So you have brilliant people and then you have people that are, you know,

they're just kind of struggling. And I think that like sometimes even understanding the world that we live in, even understanding how to make money, right, or it's difficult for a lot of people, right? There is also a lot of fuckery and a lot of corruption. And like sometimes bad people get a lot of money, but that's just the way it is. There's bad people without a lot of money, you know? But just understanding how to make money is difficult, I think, for a lot of people, because you don't learn anything about money in school, you know?

You go through 18 years of school, you don't hear the word credit card, interest rate. I mean, it's kind of amazing, you know? You get some basic economics courses in high school, but like the consumer economy, like the things you would need to learn, you just don't learn a ton about that. All right. How much did I discuss with you about how student loans you have to pay back no matter what? Even if you go bankrupt. Yeah, they're not really like, you know, maybe they're doing it more now,

but like they leave out this stunning amount of information that you would need. And I think a lot of people, you know, are very smart people that can tell you all about history or whatever, you know? And I've been one of like a person who like, I remember one of the first credit cards I got, it had like a $200 activation fee and the limit was like 250. This was years ago. I tried to use it at a restaurant. They're like this. And I'm like, this is impossible. It had to go through. I just got it.

And literally, I looked, it was a $200 activation fee, and I only had 50, whatever dollars available credit. Like you get in that system and you fuck yourself. It's hard to get out of it. I know a lot of people did that when they were struggling. They got into credit card debt and the interest rate keeps going up. And then you get under it. You're only paying the minimum amount every month.

So just like the actual chunk of money that doesn't really shrink. What's good about America is there's no debtor's prison. So you can declare bankruptcy. That is less. That is less student loans. That's the one thing that'll get you on. But I'm always, I tell people all the time, just declare bankruptcy and just let it go. Let it go. But if you let the student loans go, you can't let the student loans go.

But I say, don't even go to school. Like it's what are you even doing in college? I mean, when you think about it, what is kind of every story coming out of an American university is like some insane. It's like they're holding the teacher at gunpoint now because she said, you know, something nice about Columbia. Like I don't even understand what anyone's learning. Unless you're like a finance guy, I'm going to Princeton or your tech

party, going to Stanford. But these low level mid tier schools, do we need them? I mean, they're just they exist for like football and it's fun. You got fun. You go to fuck up for four years. You enjoy yourself. But like, do you really? I don't know what you get out of it.

It depends on what you're trying to do. If you just wanted education, you just want to have more information and you're not thinking about using it as a career, which nobody does. Right. But if you did that, you can learn some things in college. And if you wanted to be a doctor, well, that's the way to do it. If you wanted to be a lawyer, that's the way to do it. You have to go through university.

But we don't need more of them. Like we don't need more doctors. We don't need more lawyers. And in terms of doctors, we probably don't need more doc. We have enough doctors in terms of like, you know, you know, we have a lot of doctors. We have every kind of doctor. We have plastic surgeons. We have all kinds of doc.

It's like it's, you know, especially because they die off. That's a good point, I guess. I mean, they don't keep refreshing the population. But if you're not going to be a doctor and you're not going to be like a lawyer, it's like them. Yeah. We've got a few people doing engineering. Most people are just in marketing. People go, I'm in business market. You've never talked to a kid.

They're like, I'm in business market. They have no idea what's going on. Well, they don't know what to do. They're filled with hormones. They're partying outside their house for the first time, living in dorms, getting laid. It's a good experience. Yes. It's a fun experience.

I never had it. I went to community college and I dropped out to start selling subprime mortgages. So I regret not going to college. But I like my journey was meaningful too. But yeah, I regret it. I regret not going, kind of. What do you regret about it? The experience that you would have had in a college where you're living on your own

with everyone your age. But I think I, you know, my life would have been very different had I done that. I don't know, but it might have been different. Probably. So I think the life I had was good because I love comedy. I like what I do. And I think it's good to go through crazy shit and have it be funny. But I think a college experience is interesting if you make the most of it.

You ever think about what life would be like if you didn't do comedy? Yeah, I do. During the pandemic, how long did you go without doing comedy? I think I was doing the podcast every week. But I did, you know, when they shut it down in March and then I think the first time I was on stage might have been, you know, I did a comedy club, Vinnie Brand in New Jersey opened up the Stress Factory outside and he had an entire outside thing. He had a tent.

He had a tent. And I don't know when I did that, but I did it. And it might have been three or four months. Maybe it was five months. I don't know. I don't know. I can't remember exactly. It might have been longer than that.

But it was weird. Yeah, you thought about it. You're like, what would I do? Well, what was weird to me was when it seemed like there was a possibility that we could never go back to doing it again. Right. The first few months was like, what if it just stays like this? What if it stays like this?

No shows ever again. Right. And I just have this distant memory of what it's like to do stand up. Because it is the best thing. The Internet's fun, but it's like being in a room with real people that are live. You need that human connection. Yeah, it's a great time. Because some of the YouTubers that never are around people, like it's a little weird.

Like the people whose entire interactions with everyone in life is just on the Internet. You can look at them. You go, there's something off. And when you talk to them, like they're kind of like, they always hate that they're not online. Like when you talk to some of them in real life, they're kind of like, they want to be in front of a computer screen. That's where they're most comfortable. Yeah.

And there's something. That's what they're accustomed to. That's what they're accustomed to. And it's a little sick. But for me, I love that I grew up without that. And now we have it. But I like that I didn't grow up in front of that screen. Yeah.

Well, I think it definitely does something about your social development. And there was an article recently about how it affects children's brains in a measurable way. Like this connection to social media. Yeah. It's undeniable. If you're not interacting with people for the most part, and you're most of the time, if your job is to be a streamer, and the more you stream, the more money you make, and you're streaming all day, your connection with humans has got to be very strange and

different than anybody that's ever existed before. Yeah. It's very interesting. Because you are interacting with people. Yes. But you're not interacting with anybody in person. Right. And a lot of it is just you putting something out there,

and then people reacting to the thing you put out there. It's almost like sending a messenger pigeon. It's very interesting. It's definitely a unique vantage point. Because you're also dealing with people online that a lot of them are anonymous. A lot of them are kind of, it's different than it would be if they were in front of you. Speaking to you face to face, people are really either trolling, or they have their guard down, they're saying whatever they want to say.

Some of them are being completely honest. Some of them are just trying to have fun. You get to see maybe the best and worst. I don't know. It's interesting. Well, you get to see what people are like in the back of their mind without social interaction, without communicating with people. You get to see the little base thoughts that people have.

Shitty ideas that people have about other people, the shitty ideas they have about themselves. It's astounding to me how many people, when I go on social media, if I just randomly scroll through Twitter, how many people talk about their mental health, and how bad their mental health is. Well, I talk a lot about it on stage now. You know, having a mother who's mentally ill, genuinely, right? And I don't mean that other people, obviously mental illness is running rampant.

But it does also seem like there's a difference between the mental illness my mother has, where she's a schizophrenic, genuine, she didn't diagnose herself on Instagram. She's genuinely, she's in an institution. And I think that's different than, for example, depression. And depression is a very bad thing. But there's clinical depression. There's also situational depression, where some of the things that you're doing, or eating, or whatever.

How do you discern what's the cause, though? It's very difficult. Because when someone is diagnosed with clinical depression, but then you look at their actual lifestyle, and you look at what they're doing, and what's the filling about their life, you're like, well, of course, you're depressed. Some people clean that up. How much of it would it feel like? I don't want to be dismissive of people with real depression,

because I know people that have it. And I know people that have taken antidepressants and it changed their life. And then they weaned off of them. And then they're infinitely better off than they were before they took them. Because they were on the verge of suicide. Some people have a chemical imbalance. And some people that can be corrected in medicine. Some people, really, the depression comes from a situation in their life they can clear up.

Some people have anxiety because, again, they have this disorder. But then there's a lot of people that have anxiety because maybe they're in a job they hate. Maybe they're in a bad relationship. And then there's some people that just genetically, their brain is fucked. That's right. That's real. That's true. Yeah, there's people.

And that's schizophrenia, right? When you use the bat, because for six weeks, they were like, we don't have one lead. And then everyone's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't talk about it because you don't talk about it. When cops are investigating something. Yeah. I mean, dude, they vacuumed that place looking for DNA.

They got genealogy DNA. So they mapped the DNA to people that were related to this guy. Crazy. Yeah. So it's not that they didn't have any leads. Well, they didn't share it. Well, why would they? Because it's entertaining for me.

I would like to know. I would like to know. That guy scares the shit out of me. There's people like that. There's people like that. The people that went to school with him said that when he went back to school, this is obviously if he did it.

That he was noticeably happier and noticeably had more energy and more lively and interacting with people. Wow. Which is fucking creepy. That's a really sick person. Yeah. Well, this is a guy that was studying criminal behavior. That's crazy.

He came back after and he was happier. Well, that's what they said. But also, this is… You're saying? This is also people that know him and maybe they think he's a creep. Who knows? But the idea that you could have that in your brain where one day you could stalk these people or whatever,

figure out how to murder people and just go in, kill these innocent people and leave and go to school the next day. Like that is somebody's brain that's fucked. There's no other way to say it. There's no other way to say it. There's no other way to say it. And they think there's just a certain percentage of those people. Like there's a certain percentage of sociopaths.

And I guess the challenge is identifying them. Yeah, psychopath, sociopath. That's where the text or stuff comes in and you start to get nervous about it because they'll be like, well, we want to start identifying those types of people early. It's like, yeah, but that's almost… You run the risk there of drawing lines around. A lot of people were never going to do that who are either

goofy or funny or silly or staying dumb shit online and then you know… They like death metal. Yeah, they like death metal, whatever, they listen to my podcast. They really don't want to hurt anybody. Yeah, they don't want to hurt people. But at the end of the day, it's like, that's where a lot of that text stuff comes from. They're like, well, we got to identify these anti-social people.

What's Minority Report? Yeah, I mean, that's what it is. Pre-crime. Pre-crime. Yeah, that's scary shit. It's scary. It's scary also because like, there's people that at times in their life, like there was a guy who was on this podcast,

you know, John Berthol, the actor? Yes. Great guy. Yeah, yeah. What an interesting dude. Interesting. Like way different than, you know, when people think of actors, they think of people that are insincere.

This guy's the opposite of that. He's super sincere, really intelligent, really articulate, very deep and interesting guy and a really nice guy too. Really, really liked him. But he was talking about this guy that he knew that he interviewed that was, he was going to blow up a mosque and he went into this, he had this hate of Muslims after coming back from overseas, from serving and he was going to blow up a mosque and he went in there and he met this woman

who welcomed him into the mosque and he was still totally intent on blowing her up, blowing everybody up. She invited him over her home for dinner. He was still intent on it. So he gets to know her and his family, completely changes course, becomes a devout Muslim. Wow. And then talked about the whole experience, about what his plans were and that he didn't do it.

And now he's just like very happy. Well, that's like there was a prison guard in Guantanamo Bay that converted to Islam. He was a prison guard. That's how you know you're losing the war, America. By the way, that's not a great sign. But he converted to Islam because he struck up a friendship with a guy in the thing. I think people are looking for something and that gives them purpose.

The intensity of belief is always interesting to me. And the people and I, like Camille Pagney wrote an interesting article about Obama and she was such a brilliant guy. But one thing he doesn't seem to understand is like religion. He doesn't understand the passion and intensity of belief systems because he is so intelligent that he doesn't seem to grasp that which motivates people. Like how does she know that though? Well, she just made comments on the way he would talk about religion.

I think this was like after he made that comment, like people cling to their guns and their Bibles or whatever. And she was like, I don't think he fully understands being a Harvard educated guy. He doesn't fully understand that religion provides a great comfort to many people and an organizing principle for their life. I do think that it can spill over into this fervor that's unhealthy. And you see that with fundamentalist religion everywhere where it's like, whether it's your Christian or Muslim, there is a certain value to critical thinking

and not cult behavior. But yeah, that's interesting. A story like that where a guy goes in to kill people and goes, well, I want to be one of you. And that's someone who's looking for something. Yeah. Well, obviously just the fact that he wanted to go in there and blow the mosque up. He's obviously in a bad place. He's not in a good place. And sometimes when people get involved in a really rigid ideology,

a religion with a bunch of other people that are committed, they feel a sense of community and purpose. And it gives them discipline and focus. And the Islamic faith is particularly rigid in that regard. And particularly devout. A lot of those faiths are, if you follow the letter of the law, like in the Western world, a lot of our faiths have been tempered by the types of governments we have, right?

So where we have a separation of religion and government. But another part of the world, they don't. And I think one of the problems now, and you're seeing this resurgence of religion, which I think could be good, it depends on the form it takes. But a lot of the Western world is people feel an emptiness now that religion isn't big in America, but we haven't replaced it with anything. Like people are still at the end of the day trying to figure out, why are we here? What are we doing here?

Does anything happen when we die? How should we behave towards each other? And we haven't given them anything. They had this. My grandparents would devout. My grandmother was devout Catholic. My grandfather was a devout Catholic. She was still a Democrat and voted.

She was still like, not someone who, but she went to church all the time in her life and the way she believed. They were both, I was around both of them when they died. You couldn't find a more peaceful person as they were dying. Because they believed. They believed. Like my grandfather, when he was diagnosed with cancer and they said you don't have much left, he said like, you know, my kingdom is not of this earth.

He's like, that's fine with me. He was really at peace. My grandmother too, my grandmother said, I've lived a good life. And you know, well, that's what people want. That's what people want. They want to be at peace. Yeah. It's very hard to achieve peace in this world.

It's very hard. Especially if you're doing difficult things. It's very hard. It's very hard to the, just the battles you have in your own mind with failure and, you know, and everything that you're doing in life, the people that you interact with, the chaos and, you know, struggles and strife and then the why. What is it all for? If you don't have a, what is it all for?

It can get really fucking weird. Yeah. And that, I think that not knowing that chaos, people can't deal with it. And it's easier maybe for people that can block all that out and just go. But I think a lot of people struggle with that. A lot of people use drugs to block it out. A lot of people use drugs. A lot of people like amphetamines, right?

Because it just blocks it out and you just go, go, go, go, keep going. Yeah. Your purpose isn't going. Yeah. You know, you just kind of get muted. Yeah. It's difficult. It's difficult, I think, for a lot of people to just make peace with the idea that it's the unknown.

You know, like we really don't know. Like it, you know, I mean, you could follow a system, you can try to be, you know, and that's where I guess some of that DMT shit that helps. People seem to, people seem to come back from some psychedelic experiences and feel better about everything. Yes. Yeah. I definitely do.

Yeah. Yeah. I definitely change the way I look at things. Yeah. It's just the fact that that's real, that you can actually have that experience. Right. Everybody not know about this. How is this not promoted?

Yeah. And it obviously not for everybody, especially not for people who already have a slippery grasp on reality itself. That's a problem. It's a big problem with psychedelics and not just psychedelics, but like milder psychedelics, like marijuana and people with schizophrenia. Yeah. That's what Alex Berenson wrote about in his book, Tell Your Children.

Yeah. It's a very interesting book because a lot of people that are pro-marijuana, like including myself, you know, instinctively want to reject this notion that it triggers schizophrenia. But it does. I think it might. I think with some people, I mean, it doesn't with me, but I think some people that have a tendency or an inclination towards that, and they have like a really heroic dose of bubbles or something like that.

I've seen people crack. I know multiple people in my life that have gotten really fucked up from weed and got crazy paranoid. And it's hard to know until you've done it, right? Right. It's basically, it's too late. Yeah. Like, you know, people, you know, they smoke pot.

They want to smoke pot and eventually like, you know, maybe something, some underlying, you know, tendencies, schizophrenia, like that stuff just comes out. They don't know it. And a lot of them are smoking it all day, every day. And so that's the reality. The reality, the way they interface with the world is through cannabis. Like they're, they're just. Too much.

It's probably, but some people are fine with it. And then everybody's on pills, right? I mean, there's the amount of people that are on SSRIs or depression meds or anxiety meds. I mean, it's, it's a massive amount of people. It's a lot of people. There's so much money in it. Yeah. Just get vaccinated.

Stop with the pills. Just get a COVID vaccine every four months. You'll feel better about whatever is wrong. Will you? Yeah. I mean, my aunt's on her ninth booster and she feels great. She calls it get boosted. I just got boosted.

She's great. Her eyes are blood red. She's, you know, I wonder if people get addicted to doing it. Oh, there's, by the way, like they want to do it more off a little nervous. We need an article about the person who's gotten vaccinated 100 times for COVID. What's the person alive that got vaccinated the most time for COVID? Definitely somebody who's gotten vaccinated way more than they should. What's the number you think?

Oh, I don't know. Like, you know how, like, people that are hooked on oxys to go to a different doctor, especially before the, I had a friend who was, he fucked himself up. I forget what his injury was, but he got on oxys in Texas and then he moved to California and got on oxys with a different doctor and was getting both doctors to prescribe him, and then he went off the rails. Doctor shopping. Yeah.

They call it. Well, it's a fact that I guess the doctor in Texas didn't know that the doctor in LA was giving it to him, so he's getting double dose, and then he was getting it on the street, and then the next thing you know, like, he's fucking gone. Yeah. It was pretty normal before that happened. Yeah, there's definitely, there's gotta be people that are abusing vaccines. Like, what, I would like to know, like, what's the moat?

Is there, see, Google this. What, who's looking? It's hard to find a person who has been vaccinated. I mean, this guy, by the way, there's no way Pfizer likes that article. No, right? It's got probably like online support groups. Guinness is not putting this person in any way. No, they're keeping this quiet.

But there's probably like some online things where people are like discussing, like, you know, there's people that they feel like they should chop a hand off. Yes. You know, and they feel like they're not supposed to have a left hand. Well, there's also weird stuff where people pretend to be disabled, like, it's crazy. Yes, they want to be. They want to be disabled. There's something about it.

It's like trans-disabled. Yeah, I mean, I mean, but the brain is such an amazing thing, right? Like Oliver Sacks was this amazing, I forget what he was, I call it. He wrote a book called The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat. And it was this crazy book about rare brain conditions where like people just, for whatever reason, their brains functioned in a way that was so puzzling, even to doctors. Even doctors were like, what the fuck is this? Yeah.

Yeah. And obviously that stuff keeps you up at night. So you don't want to, you know, because you start a hypochondriacal, I don't know. I had a headache yesterday. It makes sense. I mean, the brain is like a very complicated biological computer in some ways. Like, you ever drop your phone and just starts doing wacky shit? Yeah.

I had a phone once. I dropped it in Hawaii and it just started calling people. Yeah. I would just, I would hang up and it would just randomly call someone else. Hang up, randomly call someone else. Like, look at this shit. And that's what your brain will do. Some people's brains.

Yeah. It's just the wires are wrong. Everything's fucked. Something got knocked loose. Yeah. And that's crazy. That's you forever. Yeah.

That's what I say about knockouts. Like some people that have been knocked out, like they don't come back the same person. Yeah. They're in a new world now. Yeah. They're a new human with a new way of interfacing because their brain is fucked. Yeah. Are you now with all the bad press with the NFTs?

Are you happy you never took my advice? Yes. Not only did I not take your advice, I refused advertisements. Yeah. That was smart. Yeah. There was a few of those crypto and fucking NF. I'm like, uh-uh, that's not real.

Yeah. I'm not getting involved in telling people to put their money into something that I don't fucking believe. It's tough. It was a gamble, you know? And, you know, a lot of people lost and that's, you know, now a lot of people getting held to the account, right? There's a lot of people.

Logan Paul, a lot of these guys, people are upset at people. Tom Brady. A lot of these people are getting sued in a class action lawsuit. A lot of people are angry. Yeah. Paul, you know, like how about those Damon commercials where he's comparing it to like Magellan and fucking people that ran it on the moon. Be brave.

Yeah. Be brave with your fucking entire life savings. Kim Kardashian got involved, you know? Well, those people were throwing money around. They were throwing a lot of fucking money around. Not to me. But we had, we do crypto ads on the show, not for specific things. Yeah, we do crypto ads for like, you know, if you want to invest in crypto, here's a

good service to invest with. But it wasn't like, I wasn't like pumping my own Dylan coin. Right. You know what I mean? I was doing that. But like, yeah, I mean, like I would still do ads for FTX. Like if they, I would still do them if they, you know what I mean? If there was a plan, like if Sam Beckman-Freed said to me, we're going to make everyone

whole, which is what he keeps saying. How is that even possible? Well, it's hard. There aren't there millions of creditors? So much. Millions. Millions. So there's millions of people he owes money to.

Even if he owes them one dollar. Yeah. He goes, I just want to make them whole. Like they keep interviewing him and he keeps going, my goal here is to make the customers whole. And so if he called me and goes, we're going to make everyone whole and, you know, we're going to pay you a rate and we're going to get in here and do some ads. It's like, I'm not going to hold one mistake against him. Do you think he thinks that he can just do it again?

Yes. Because he did it already. I believe that a guy like that believes I was in a room with Bill Clinton. I was in a room with Joe Biden. I was in a room with the most powerful people in the world. I was the second biggest donor to Joe Biden's presidential campaign. I can get out of this and maybe serve my sentence or he pled not guilty. So he might be thinking like, there's a comeback story.

It's what's getting him up every day. There's no way that a redemption arc is not motivating his behavior. Do you think they let him be on amphetamines now? Oh, I don't know. Because wasn't that part of the problem? They were all jacked up on pills. Well, part of the problem was they were just, well, maybe that's true. And I think that's part of the problem.

But part of the problem is this is also all bullshit kind of, you know, that's also part of the problem, right? That's the problem. Bitcoin, like a lot of this stuff didn't get implemented, right? It's not being used. It's not like the currency is not being used. Well, you know, FTX didn't even, they didn't even trade in Bitcoin. No, they would do these other fucking bullshit things.

Which is really wild. It's wild. And then they had to allow me to read, you know, they were just doing a sex cult in the Bahamas with ugly people. And I'm for that. I'm for it, too. I'm for it. It's a great story if it was real.

Like they were just making money and banging each other and taking pills. It's a sex cult for gross nerds. It worked out great for a while. During that time, it was a wonderful story. It's amazing. They couldn't get hot people with the amount of money they had, but they just had gross, smart people fucking each other on an island. How great everyone would look gross.

Nobody looked like they showered. People's hair was weird. It was like an old hippie commune. Yeah, but what was the purpose of the Bahamas? This is the regulatory thing. Yeah, they don't want to be under the watchful eye. They wanted to get out and do. Do you know, Jamie?

Do you know? You're over the heads. What is it? It's regulators, U.S. regulators. Yeah, let's do it that. Because all these bunch of cryptos are down there. No, they're all down there. By the way, they all moved to Puerto Rico.

Why do you think that is? Well, it's all taxes. It's 4% tax rate, and they could kind of do whatever they want. And now they're all being found dead. All these crypto guys, a lot of them are like, one guy ended up, he tweeted like the CIA is going to kill me, and then he ended up in the ocean. Yeah, I did see that.

That seemed odd. A little sketchy. A little sketchy. And then he just ended up in the... Because a lot of what happens, I think, with these guys, these Bitcoin guys, is the government has to understand this stuff better, right? So the government has to go and figure out,

how are you guys doing whatever you... You know what I mean? And the government probably sends agents out to befriend these people, right? And then these people either figure something out they shouldn't figure out, or are no longer useful. And then what happens when you're no longer useful is you go. It's not useful.

You're a liability. It's not no longer useful. So they could possibly tell a story that could get people fucked. Yeah, that could expose the identities of people. Yeah, for sure. The guy who drowned, what was he saying? You know that story, Jamie, right? But it is one of many.

And you also have to think, look, look, you're not dealing with the mentally the healthiest people in the world. Not really. That's true. They're involved in this. CIA, Mossad, and pedo elite are running some kind of sex trafficking and trap in Black Rail ring out of Puerto Rico

and the Caribbean islands. They're going to frame me with a laptop planted by my ex-girlfriend who was a spy. They will torture me to death. By the way, this guy's a fun guy to do lunch with. You just want to talk. I mean, by the way, if somebody said that to me, I'd go go on. That's the gentleman right there?

Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. They all have that look, Sam Bankman. You know what I mean? But that is what you would do. And I don't mean Jewish. But that is what you would do if you were an intelligence agency

and you wanted to entrap a nerd. You would bring a hot spy. Of course. And they have hot spies. Of course. I've seen James Bond. Yeah. Of course, they're bringing in a hot spy.

That's what they do. That's how you know FTX was uncompromised. There were no hot spies. That's true. That's a good point. That was uncompromised. The CIA was like, I can't believe it. They actually want to fuck each other.

That's the key. You can't crack them. They have 10 people to choose from. They're all in an island. Guys and girls just banging each other. Yeah. And when you're on that amount of amphetamines and what else they're on, who knows, they're probably enjoying every fucking second of it.

Yeah. The Indian guy is attractive in FTX. I will say that. Everyone else is gross. I don't want to put him in with the rest. Who? The Indian. There was an Indian guy who was attractive,

but everybody else was kind of rough. He's probably the king. Yeah. It was rough. Everybody else was rough. Well, Fried was the king because he was the brain's mastermind. He was the mastermind. Well, he also had that mom that was a Democratic operative.

And they went to Stanford, man. It's so funny because I walked around Stanford. I was doing the Sanders A.M. Provin. I walked around Stanford and you do get a vibe. It's interesting. It's like they are the future leaders. Those are the tech, you know. It's like Harvard and Yale.

Fuck all that. That old wasp money. Fuck that. It's all about Stanford. So these are all the folks? Yeah. One guy's good looking. He's the guy.

That's the guy. The guy with the glasses to the right of him is not bad looking. You know what? Take off those glasses. But that's the best picture he took. And if you saw him in real life, you'd go, oh. No. Come on.

I think the Indian guy holds up. No, no, no. That guy with the blue v-neck, he could go to the gym, get jacked, shave his head. He's got, I can tell you. Get good features. Bad skin. I'll just tell you. No.

I'm telling you, if you saw him in real life, you'd have horrible skin. Really? Be very oily. How do you know? I just feel it. Oh, you're just guessing. I'm just feeling it. You're being mean.

I'm not being mean. First of all, they stole everyone's money. Well, did he? Can we not make fun of that? Is he in trouble as well? Oh, what do you mean? Because it seems like only Sam Bankman freed is in jail. Which is pretty wild.

Because other people flipped. They became rats. Well, Caroline did, right? Caroline flipped because there's no honor anymore. Well, put those photos up. There's one other gentleman flipped too, right? Gary Wang flipped. Who's, which one is he?

I believe he's Asian. If he's not, he's culturally appropriating. If he's not, he's got to explain it to them. Yeah, which guy flipped? I'm going to guess that's Gary Wang. Well, or the guy next to him. Got into my head? That's Gary Wang.

What about the guy next to him? That's a persoud. That's a Wang. OK. And so those are... I mean, that guy to the left, cry. I mean, he looks like British. Are they all...

Oh, there's Gary Wang. You nailed it. You son of a bitch. See, Brett Harrison already looks worse. See? Is that the same guy? Dude, he already looks worse. Wait, that's the same guy?

It's the same guy. Go back to the picture. That can't be the same guy. I'm telling you, Joe. No. That's not the same guy. I guarantee it's the same dude. No, it's the guy to the right of him, isn't it?

We got to find it. Go back again. Let me see that again and go back to the other one again. No. Yeah, maybe you're right. That is not... No fucking way. I don't know, dude.

That guy wishes you... That guy's balding. The other guy had a full head of hair. Luscious hair. Yeah, his hair is nice. His hair is good. No, there's no way that's the same guy. That's like a handsome fellow with the v-neck.

I'm in his corner, Jesus. Okay. Wait a minute. Okay, but let's see. Because those are the names. Those are the names. Okay, so here's the inner circle. Okay, keep going.

We know her. She's wild. She's watched. She's a fun wild. Listening to her talking. I mean, this guy. There's Sam Chavaco. Yeah, he's not...

No, there's Gary Wayne. He's in trouble. There is William McCaskill. Okay. Wait a minute. William McCaskill. Mentor. He was a mentor.

Mentor of Sam Bank from Freight. Wait, scroll back down again. Was it say philosophy professor at Oxford, chief architect of effective altruism? Didn't we have him on the podcast? Did you have him on the podcast? Are you involved in this? Hold on a second.

The feds break in right now. I think we had someone on the podcast. Oh, wow. That's him. That was talking about effective altruism. Yeah. He was a very nice guy. And I think there was a request to have him back on

recently before the shit hit the fan. Yeah. That's him. He's a handsome fellow. Yeah, he isn't bad. No, he's very nice guy. Well, he was talking about effective altruism. He's a sweetheart.

Let's hear him talk. Hear him talk a little bit. Interest or for learning. They're going to be interested in learning. Because they're now going to have huge, amazing computer power. They're going to be able to create simulations of the past. That they're going to have some interest

in learning simulations of the past. Well, if that is true, then the number of simulations that these future people are going to be running will vastly outnumber the number of actual timelines, the base universe, as it were. So for the one real universe where history unfolds, there's also, let's call it, 10,000 simulations of that universe. And if that's true, then it's the case that, well,

given that I'm just, you know, these things that we are indiscernible for the people who are inside them, it's overwhelmingly likely, just in the basement, that I'm going to be in a simulation rather than in the real world. And what Nick Bossam says, actually, is not that we definitely are in a simulation, but he just points out the conflict between

these three kind of beliefs that we would seem to hold. One is that we're not going to go extinct in the near future. Two is that, you know, people in the future will have some interest in simulating the past. And thirdly, that we're not living in a simulation. And he himself gives, you know, a reasonable degree of belief. Maybe he thinks it's like 10% likely, 15% likely that we're in a simulation.

Other people who understand the argument vary a bit more, but I think, you know, it's something you should at least be taking seriously. The reason I object it is kind of even weirder, I think, or it's somewhat technical. Well, what's interesting is like, Sam, I'm sure I'm going to give a dumb answer, so let's get out of there right now.

Sam Beckman-Fried heard that and went, great, we're going to do it, and we don't care if the experiences are real. Well, I would imagine that Will McCaskill was involved with them because they were donating a lot of money to altruistic causes, and that's probably what his position in that was. His whole thing was about giving,

he gave away most of his income. I believe he only kept some very small amount, like $30,000 a year, and most of his money that he earned, he was giving away to causes. That's how you know they're real bad folks when they start giving away their money. That's how you know nobody-

He's giving away his own money. I know, but that's- He lived a very simple life. I know. So is Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, the angels. They're all giving away- All these billionaires are like, we're going to give away our money,

and we're going to- And we're setting up all these foundations, and a lot of it's a fraud. It's like a tax scam. And the other thing is like, it's never enough. They're not just giving you the money. They're giving you the money and then going,

and here's what I want society to look like. That's the problem. They go, here's my ideas on public health policy. It's like, you started Microsoft. What the fuck do you know about it? Go shut up. This is what I want. Here's what I want.

It is bizarre when they get involved with public health policy. It's bizarre. Why does Bill Gates buy a farmland? Farming, yeah. Why does Bill Gates buy a farmland? Telling everybody not to eat meat. Yeah, there's a weird thing where they have- They want to socially engineer society, and they think from where they sit,

they can do that. And the cover for that is we're doing everything for you. You're going to love it. It's going to be better. And just to prove I'm not a crazy lunatic who wants control over you, I'm, look, all this money I have, I'm giving it away.

Yay, here it is. I'm throwing it out. And the reality is they're just doing it to increase your power base. I mean, it seems none of them are broke. They're all just, you know. Interesting. Yeah.

The farmland stuff is wild. It's wild. Why would he buy those seeds? You know, he controls most of the seeds. He want- Or a large number of seeds. They want a meatless future. Why?

Here's the thing about it, because everyone can be trans. But then I go, what's the point of that? Like, they just want a genderless- Like, everyone's genderless and like typing a pod. Yeah, but Bill Gates is not genderless. I know. That was the thing about Gates,

is that he likes pussies. Yeah, I know. And he was, you know- So to me, I go, what is the pur- Like, if everyone's like this weird, like, you know, androgynous pod person, I go, who even benefits from this? I don't know.

Do you really think that's what they want? Yes. Kind of. If society gets boiled down to this thing where we're not dangerous anymore. They want a very docile- Yeah. You know, group of people.

And I think this is what they've always wanted. Well, if you can make all the men feminine. You can make all the men feminine, but also- That's a way to stop revolt. If you can plug everybody into the idea that they are always doing the right thing. And everything they're being told to do

is for the betterment of others. And there's this social responsibility they have. Right, right. It's good to do this and it's bad to do that. Right. And when you introduce all these things, because most people want to be good people. Yeah.

So if you can get them there, which is why the woke shit goes so far, because people go, well, I just want to be a good person. Right, right, right. So I don't want to deal with it, you know. So I think that's a part of it. They just want everybody to be, it's kind of a slave state,

where everyone will just go and work at their jobs and not complain. Yeah. And corporations will, you know, own everything and everybody and, you know, they tell you what they want. I mean, the article's out, you know, you'll own nothing and be happy.

You'll have no savings. You don't need to own a car. You don't need to own a house. You can just be on Uber. Well, we'll know where you're going and, you know. Isn't that wild that you will own nothing and you'll be happier? But this is the, and the people,

it's wilder that the people who are writing that own everything. But obviously someone has to own things. Right. Otherwise you would just take whatever you want. That article came out, I think, like Bloomberg or something. It came out in bar, it came out in something where you'd go, what?

Like, so it's the people that own everything are telling you that you don't need to own anything. And that the gig economy is great. You can just go from gig to gig to gig and you're on, you know, you're on the grid and... Well, maybe the idea is, like, if you wanted to look at it in the most charitable way, if you extrapolate it to the future,

like what it may be one of the things that's holding people back is this desire to possess things. And is this desire to constantly accumulate wealth and money and power. And if it was even across the board, and we could just concentrate on the things that we enjoy doing and not concentrate, people don't enjoy doing.

It's not human though. That's the problem. It's not, it's not, you're talking about, like, things other than human beings. The guy in Idaho concentrated on what he enjoyed doing and now we have four people dead. Every, by the way, everybody was like, oh, COVID's here, like, no one's working anymore.

It's going to be a paradise. Look, everyone's going to start community gardens. What happened? I remember a lot of things getting burned down. People need shit to do. And social isolation too. Yeah, they shouldn't be slaves to their jobs, but people need things to do.

And when you talk about people owning things and material things, like, yeah, people want houses, it's not only a material thing, right? It's a way to basically provide a sense of security, safety, comfort, that you're not depending necessarily on someone else to provide you. You're able to independently give your family a certain quality of life because you own a home.

When you own a car, you have the ability to travel and get a job that you want, per se. You have more freedom. I look at all those things as freedom, right? And you're right. There is a materialist angle of that where you can always get caught up and all the house isn't big enough

or the car's not nicer or whatever. But at the bare bones, these people are just, I think, trying to basically self-actualize and have things. And the people that are telling them they don't need any of those things, I mean, well, then what the hell are they replacing it with? You know, an apartment?

You rent. And everybody will tell you the color of the wall and noise after 10 has to be... That's why people stop with Airbnb. People don't... Airbnb is going to go out of business soon because people don't have Google that. But they are.

Are you saying that just because you got banned from Airbnb? It's completely a coincidence, I'm saying this. Airbnb got too crazy with the rules. They kept telling everyone to clean their own stuff up. And people were like, well, I'm paying a huge cleaning fee and why am I not supposed to be loud after 10 p.m.? They got rule obsessed and people are sick of it and now Airbnb is going to go out of business

and hotels are back. Everyone likes hotels now. Airbnb is zero and hotels are winning. Is this true? Yes, people are going back to hotels. People are getting sick of Airbnb. But is Airbnb, like, is that an actual fact that Airbnb is? Well, they're putting all kinds of...

No. I'm glad this is your podcast, not mine. It's... It's... And here's the brilliance of this setup. No one knows it's mine. That's true. So I get all these views because they think it's yours.

Right. They think it's back on YouTube. It's great. We don't even say it's mine. We just put it out. I start doing ads for Trigger Grill. But no, I think Airbnb's are... They got restrictive and there are articles about it.

Like, obviously, I'm kidding. They're not going out of business. But people started saying, like, hey, man, I'm on vacation. Like, when I check into an Airbnb and there's 35 rules, I don't feel like I'm on vacation. Now, is this just up to the person who owns the home? Yes. And they decide what the rules are?

Yes. But it just got too much. But can you look at that in advance before you decide to rent a house? I believe you can. So then wouldn't you just gravitate towards... But some of it, they sprain on you. But it's a lot of them now. A lot of these things are like...

You know, everybody's just like, there's no... Don't be... Because they're in residential areas. So they're like, well, don't be loud after 10 and... Well, it's got to be a problem. Because I know it's a problem. Because I know a guy who owns a home. And right next to his home, he lives in a wealthy area

and they rented it out to TikTok kids. Yes. Just like an Airbnb at a really baller... Put you want some coffee? Yes. There's a... They rented it out to... Only a little.

Thank you. Tell me when. That's fine. Okay. They rented it out to a bunch of TikTok kids and they were having all these parties all the time and he started getting really pissed off. Because like his neighborhood, be crowded with cars now and...

You know, and they're in this very wealthy community. There's a really nice house. That's right. TikTok kids have a shit ton of mice. When I would rent these AirBnBs, what happens is I would just sit in the backyard with a microphone and scream because I'd be doing my podcast and people wouldn't like it. Because somebody wouldn't be raising their kids

and I'm like, Megan, Markle's a whore. And they're like, what is... And I'm like, it's my job. It's legitimately my job to do. I'd be smoking cigarettes and yelling into a microphone. And they go, hey, man, this is not... So I get it. But you know, that's why people, you know...

I think, are gravitating back to... You know, AirBnB felt very pandemic-y. Everyone's like, I'll vacation in someone else's life. Let me see, you know. You know, it was interesting. It was like, oh, you know, everything, you know, had become possible during the pandemic. And people were like, maybe, you know, people were moving around.

People were questioning all kinds of things. And it was interesting. They're like, what would it be like to live in wherever? And I'll live in a house. But now people, I think, are just going, hey, man, let's go to a fucking hotel. The maids come in, they clean, they have room service. Hmm.

So, I mean, that's what I think. Sorry, AirBnB. I think this might be motivated by your hate for AirBnB because it gives you off the platform. It is. AirBnB is on the outs. Thank you. Or is it?

AirBnB's once-looded vacation rental model begins to go stale. Who disrupts a disruptor? Oh, interesting. Has the AirBnB bubble burst? According to one recent viral tweet, AirBnB hosts have seen bookings evaporate since the busy summer travel season.

AirBnB is upon us. What's going on with AirBnB? No bookings at all? Oh, OK. So people, this is AirBnB super hosts. And also, they're putting more restrictions on rentals in certain communities, right? So, Tahoe.

Look at this. It says, has anyone seen a huge decrease in bookings over the last three to four months? We went from at least 50% occupancy to literally 0% the last two months. I'm just curious if something's going on with my property or if other people are seeing similar things. I'm in Palm Springs, where you look.

Is that where you had a problem? Stop telling people. Is that where you had a problem? Yeah, Joshua Tree. Stop telling people to take their own garbage out. Stop telling them to clean their own dishes. Make it an actual vacation experience for them. Get off your lazy asses.

Walk into your house and do the dishes for people and take out the garbage and have a maid do it. They pay a $500 cleaning fee. That should be cleaning. Someone needs to clean. So that's a huge problem. And that's the problem that I had where it's like, I'm paying a cleaning fee.

I should also not have to clean on top of that. And stop with the COVID cleaning. It's fake. Well, it's a deep COVID clean. It's fake. What do you mean, deep COVID? They used to say that during the pandemic. They'd be like, we're doing a deep COVID clean.

It's like, number one, it doesn't live on surfaces. Number two, this is fake. So they were charging you more money for that? Of course. You know the game. A deep COVID clean. I just think that it's one of those things where it's been interesting to see it change, right?

I think, and they're also putting, Tahoe just banned short-term rentals. Gotta be 30 days. Really? Interesting. Interesting. So they essentially put Airbnb out of business there. They don't want you doing short-term rentals in Tahoe.

Jamie, make sure that's true. But I believe that that is true. Someone told me that. Interesting. Well, Tahoe is a big money place. It's a huge place and there's a lot of money there, but I think they're getting sick of the short-term rentals. Interesting.

Tahoe kind of makes sense to me. Have you ever swam in it? It's supposedly so cold. It's like you can't breathe. Like an ice bath? Kind of. Interesting. They say it's one of the coldest lakes.

It stays cold all year. Oh, it's a glacier lake? Yeah, Mark Twain said it would revive a mummy. Yeah, I've never swam in it, but supposedly it's really like... I wonder what the temperature is. I see you have a last year they capped short-term rentals, but this is almost a year ago,

so I don't know if something happened since then. I'm trying to figure it out. When you said capped, what does it mean? This is a six-month moratorium, so like whatever was there now, you can't have any more additional short-term rentals added to the county or the... Yeah, they were getting real upset with short-term rentals,

and I think they might have just actually just banned it and just said you got to do 30 days. See if that's true. I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah, we still didn't have enough data. Yeah. My realtor said that. I don't know if that's true or not, but...

Oh, why would your realtor lie to you? I don't think... He's getting better realtor. I think he wouldn't. Yeah. So blame him. Yeah, but... It's, you know, the whole getting people

to stay in your house for a little while and pretend it's a hotel, but then make them clean up, that does seem a little problematic. It's weird. It seems like you should hire a maid. It's strange, and it's confusing because you check in and you go, well, I want to treat this like my house,

and I treat my house like shit. So... Here it is. What does it say here? Wired cities, sites, New York City, and Lake Tahoe as examples. Arizona SB 1350, a law that passed, that bypasses states ban on short-term rentals

means that such a crackdown is unlikely to happen. So what does that even mean? I don't know. While some locations across the world have instituted crackdowns, there are wholesale bans on Airbnb, such as New York City and Lake Tahoe. Wired cities.

What does that mean? Wired is where the article is, I think. I get it. So some locations have instituted crackdowns or even wholesale bans. So that does seem to prove your point. So Wired Sites New York, so it's Wired Magazine that's got this going on.

Gotcha. New York City and Lake Tahoe as examples. This article is about Sedona getting crippled by the Airbnb gold rush. This came out five days ago. It's also creepy, man. Most Airbnb's you stay and people are watching you. What?

Most Airbnb's you stay and people are watching you. They're watching you. With little cameras? No, not even like that, but sometimes there are weird cameras, but just there's surveillance. It's weird. Literally, they'll tell you when you check in,

they're like, don't have any people here because you're on camera and the neighbors are watching. So it's like they're like, don't have anybody, he over, don't have any parties. He's like, we're watching, it's all creepy. Someone's pretending to be a hotel, but they're a private individual that wants absolute control, but they don't understand how hotels work.

This is why Airbnb is a sick company that has allowed a lot of people's weird voyeuristic impulses to take over and they've monetized it. It should be outlawed, frankly. They should outlaw Airbnb. Woman books, Airbnb, only defined, it's an abandoned villa with smashed windows. Oh, wow.

So it's in Bali though. Right. So this is, what did she get here? No one home. Well, that's no one supposed to be home. There's a pond, smashed windows. Where's the smashed windows? Okay, that's it.

Well, here's the deal. It's like, you know, it's interesting. I think if you have a large group of people, I totally understand like why you would consider being in a just go to a hotel. That's what you do know? Yeah, I mean. You were a Mr. Airbnb though.

I use them all the time because they were cool and they were fun. You could be like, I'm living like a person who lives in suburban Houston. Right. And then you're like, now it's just I've gotten to the point where it's like, well, they got rid of me and there was no process, you know, which was unfortunate. There was no, I was not able to defend myself.

Like there was no like, you know, it's like the way the platforming works. They just go, you're done. Yeah. So that was it. So that's unfortunate. But so you're like a little bit happy that they're on the slide. I mean, I'm a little bit happy that they're on the slide,

but I knew it because I knew when you started asking me to clean up after myself, I know it's over. It's America and people need to be able to like leave it. Like if the cleaning fee wasn't there, I totally understand. But the cleaning fee is there. It's like, take out the garbage, do this, do that. Like you live, it's like, what? Like what are you talking about?

This is, I'm on vacation here in suburban Maryland in your shithole. This is a fucking vacation. So treat it like such. The problem with Airbnb is there's a lot of them are like, you know, there's a lot of people that are trying to make some extra bucks and they open a room or a garage or whatever it is. And it is good for certain people, right?

Certain people are like, hey, you know, it works for me. I'm new to this area. I want to see what it's like. But for most people, I think there's a migration back to more traditional methods. Two out of three men will experience treatments, taking four to six months to see results. So you have to act fast.

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Reality. Reality. What else do you think changed in a big way because of the pandemic that's never going back? There's a lot of talk about remote work. Yeah. But now it seems like companies are realizing that the way to get people to really work is they got to be in the office.

Well, I also think people's marriage is. Well, I don't know. I think there is still a lot of hybrid work, a lot of remote work going on. I think people are saying come in less than you used to. But I also think people's marriage is like, you can't just sit at home all day. Like my friend and his wife work together and like not work

together, but work in a house together. And he goes, listen, I love her and she loves me. But like it was very healthy for us to go out every day and have different social environments. Right. And then come back together at night. Right. It was very healthy to have that not like every minute

be in the same house where she has a corridor, I have a corridor and we're meeting all the time. You know, it was healthy. So I think that's going to go back where people realize that there's more to work than just work. There is like this social arrangement. And I think that people in a house all the time, that seems to be, I don't know how that'll be negotiated

going forward, but I do think that you're not going to have all remote work. There's no way. People are going to want to leave their fucking house. Yeah. Some people don't though. Some people love the idea that they didn't have to commute. Yes.

Well, that's true too. Because the commutes are getting worse and worse because you know, there's more and more people in cities. So the commutes are getting worse and worse. But it was also, I think people just love the idea that they could be free, that they're still working, but they can do it on their terms. But then the job started instituting things where they

would monitor your clicks and monitor your computer. They'd give you a work computer. And then people were installing those programs that moved the mouse around randomly and clicked on things. Nothing is free. Nothing's free. Yeah. So whatever you get, whatever you get, nothing's free.

You know, it's, I think, you know, after that period, it was interesting because a lot of people reflected on like, what do I really want to do? Do I really want to do what I'm doing? Right. So you saw industries. The service industry has still not come back because people have left the service industry permanently.

Like a lot of people left waiting tables. People left jobs they didn't want to do. Right. And they were like, I want to do something else. And maybe I want to live somewhere else. And I think it gave people a lot of time to stop and think about the direction of what they were doing. And then some people changed it, you know?

It's interesting to see. I mean, I still feel, the places still feel understaffed a little bit. Some places. Some places still feel like they haven't fully come back. Well, at the end of the pandemic, like when things were really opening up again, that's what I saw a lot of places. Like you would go there and there was a long wait for tables.

Yeah. And you'd see open tables and they're like, we just don't have enough wait. We don't have people. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see what comes in. Like I think when we look back on it, I think in like 10 years, it's got to be so far in the, in the rear view that 10 years

from now, I think people are going to look at it and be like, what the fuck was that? It's going to be interesting. Oh, for sure. Right? In many ways. In many ways. And the fact that everybody just sort of complied and that

people were doing the job of the government by, you know, telling other people what to do. The conflicting information that people were getting every day, do this, do that, don't do this. And then knowing now, because of the Twitter files, and the government was involved in that. Oh, sure. Well, I mean, I think most people had assumed that.

I don't think most people did. Well, a lot of people did. I think suspicious people did. Most. I know a lot of suspicious people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think most people were kind of like, this is a big mess.

Yeah. And the, because, you know, I mean, it was a big mess. And I think like a lot of this will shake out years later. It will shake out years later. Things tend to shake out when everyone's like dead. Yeah. Things shake out years later. I mean, we still, the Kennedy, you know,

Biden still wouldn't release some of the Kennedy files, right? It's like, it's still going. These things still go on. People go like, we're holding back a few. There's just a few. It's like, just release the one page where you would make you kill them, right? You're big on conspiracy theories.

I know, but you're not. Well, I'm a little bit, sometimes I get back. I go back and forth. You go back and forth. This one is a big one. The Kennedy one is a big one. And you just see Tucker Carlson. We had that, the program where he said he talked to this guy

who's read the files and the CIA killed Kennedy. Yeah, that's like, everyone knows that. Three-year-olds know that. But the fact that he said it on Fox News. It's wild. The fact that he said it without any worry about repercussion. Yeah, I think everyone knows, it's one of those things now where everybody kind of knows there was fuckery.

Everybody knows there was really something wrong. Not everybody. Michael Shermer's convinced Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. But that's his beat. Shermer's beat is going like, this isn't a conspiracy. So the same way you can't trust a guy whose beat is everything's a conspiracy. Right.

You can't trust someone who goes, nothing's a conspiracy. Right. To say that there are no conspiracies is patently absurd. But he doesn't do that. He says there are conspiracies. Understood. He's just reluctant to give in to ones that he has supported in the past as not being conspiracies.

Yeah, because it's a huge credibility issue. Well, it's also like then it calls into question all of your other assertions. Yes, of course. And Liz, I've heard you talk to him and I've heard him talk and I know that he's a smart guy and he's done his research. But like, he's just come to conclusions, I think, that are unreasonable.

Well, the Kennedy one. It's unreasonable. Just that one. The magic bullet one was the big one for me. What does a guy like that say about Epstein? Does he just look at everything and go, fuck yeah, he got sad, he killed himself? It's a good question.

Right. Did we discuss Epstein with him? I don't know. I don't know if we did. We've discussed it so many times. I mean, it's just like, I feel like, you know, with the Kennedy one, the reason that they haven't let it really seep out, and now it's obviously long enough

where it said that it seeped out, is that it's kind of the mother of all conspiracies. All of them descend from Kennedy. Meaning that if you can have a coup in a country like America where you have an element of the government or whatever it is, kill the president, right? And install the vice president essentially. We don't have a free country.

We don't have a democracy. All of that shit is fake. It's all bullshit. It all sounds nice. But if that is out and widely believed, you could wave the flag. You could have people go out and sing the national anthem before the games.

But if that gets out and people really understand, and they also go, well, we're all those motherfuckers now. What are they doing now? Most of them are probably dead. Well, yeah, but what about the people that are still working over there? Like, have they gotten more honest in the past 50 years? Right, everything evolves.

Everything evolves. So they might not be whacking people out in the open, but what are they doing? How are they controlling people? What are you not allowed to ask questions about? That's why the Kennedy one for me has always been like, that's the mother of all of them. They can't let that one slip.

And when it slips, however it'll be, some like rogue, it was a rogue element of the guy, and we don't, you know. We have no idea, but yeah. That's when they came up with the term conspiracy theory. That's right. Conspiracy theorists. That's right. And they use it as a disparaging term.

That's what the origin of it, that was planted. I mean, if people looked at our system of government, they would not come to the same conclusions that we are taught it is in school. We are taught it is a representative democracy, a republic, right? You know, we're, obviously it's not a direct democracy, but it's representative.

You elect people, they go in, they debate, da, da, da, da, da, da. And if you did a study of our system of government, by the way, like Princeton University did a while ago, and they concluded it was an oligarchy. I mean, they just did an independent study and looked at what was going on. You would of course go, oh, this isn't the full story. You know, and I think stuff like Kennedy

really exposes all of that. That, you know, there are people that operate in the shadows and they get what they want. A lot of them get what they want. Well, the fact that the Epstein thing is just sort of dying off. That's hilarious. It's dying off. I mean, we've got Andrew Tate, by the way.

Andrew Tate, they're acting like Andrew Tate. And I'm not saying, you know, but think of the political ramification of the Epstein story. What's a bigger story? Andrew Tate, human trafficking in Romania. I'm sorry, Romania, but that's Tuesday. And you can get hookers in the cabs in Romania. It's just what it is.

Like, the cab driver will say to you, would you like? I mean, it's true. This is all a fact. Now, Andrew Tate, I don't know what he was doing. Nothing's been proven, but he's been charged with this. But the Epstein thing was all proven. You have genuine victims coming forward, saying these things. Nobody's been arrested in conjunction with it.

And that's the fact that he was whacked and the cameras were off. And he was whacked. Those fucking people that were the security guards that day, they have to be shitting their pants. Well, they probably got taken care of. You think so? U.S. Virgin Isles District Attorney fired days after suing J.P. Morgan Chase over Jeffrey Epstein Ties.

By the way, do you know that Biden flew to the Virgin Islands for vacation and then the woman was fired shortly after? In fairness to Biden. It's a woman, right? In fairness to Biden, he did not know where he was flying. Well, people that were with him did. Yeah.

I mean, interesting. I wonder why he would go there. But it's nice. It's pretty there. It's beautiful there. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty there. Biden's not. I mean, he's just so old.

He doesn't know. They just put him in it. How much do you think he's aware? And how much do you think he just falls apart on camera? I think he's aware to a degree of what's going on. I just think he was selected. I mean, again, Bernie was sandbagged. They were like, we're not going to have him in.

Right. So who's the guy? And it's like, Biden's been the guy. Biden's the guy that, you know, they just want somebody they know, right? What do you think happens in 2024? DeSantis. And he'll be fine.

He'll be. He wins. Yeah. And he'll just Trump. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I think now Trump's the weakest he's ever been.

Really? Yeah, politically. Trump's very good. He's very good in the primaries though. So I mean, that would be interesting to watch. But I just, I just feel like people are, it's not going to have the same effect. When a comic goes out and you see it for the first time, it's amazing.

If it's the same stuff, the third special, you go, okay. Like, I think it is, it's wearing thin, his appeal. I think DeSantis is who the party wants. Well, DeSantis is going to get the reasonable Republicans. He'll get the reasonable Republicans. He's not going to get the Q and on people though. Yeah. But he won't get them, but they're not a huge force.

And I met one in the Aspen. Yeah. How interesting. This lady came up to you. She sounds fun. She grabbed me in the line and she was with her daughter. She says, I love you, this older lady. She goes, I love you.

You are out there speaking the truth. Yes. She's saying all these things. I go, oh, thank you. Thank you. I'm trying to be nice. Then she goes, and Donald Trump is our real president. Yeah.

I go, he's definitely not. I go, you can Google that. She goes, oh my God, they got to you. That's right. I go, oh, they got it to me. Yeah. It was really funny. But she's, her daughters were,

her daughters were super reasonable. Yes. And they were younger. And they were like, oh, mom's kind of crazy. Well, it's like the Shane Gillis joke, which is a great joke. He's like, you want a Fox News dad. You don't want an MSNBC dad.

But if you have a Fox News mom, it's a bad mom. You know? Like, it's a cute, you know, what's the same? It's a great joke. And it's the same thing that I say a lot about. Like, it's just the boomers have gotten to a point now where they are, this is politics has become a sport for boomers, where they are MSNBC or Fox News.

It's right or left. And a lot of them are sitting there. And they're sitting in their chair. They've got a heating blanket on. They've got pills everywhere. They're drinking wine. Their brain has been melted. And they're just trying to, they've got a few years left.

Not all of them, some of them will live. But, you know, they're at the end, a lot of them. And they're in their 70s or wherever they are. Some of them, you know, my parents aged, they're 70s. And they're basically like, you know, trying to have a little fun on the way out. And that's what I look at QAnon as. It's actually just fun.

We should stop saying it's a threat. We should stop treating it like it's a thing. It's just fun. People want to have fun. And it is fun to believe that Donald Trump's still the president. And he's going to lead a secret army of whatever Christian people through tunnels to kill everybody out. Like, it's just fun.

They just want to have some fun. That's really what it is. I think that's what I saw from the QAnon documentary. Yeah, they're just having fun. Into the storm. It's like they were just obsessed with the idea that they were a part of something that people weren't aware of. And this is like, they just want to go out.

There's nothing to do anymore. It was like a religion in a lot of ways. It gave their life meaning. Yeah, because there's not much to do. You know, there was this great book called Bowling Alone written about like how American social institutions have fallen apart. Things like the Knights of Columbus or whatever,

like social clubs. People used to be a part of small communities where like people would be vested involved in their community. You don't do that anymore. So the social fabric's been torn apart and people need to be a part of something. So what if it's the QAnon? Give them the fake capital to storm.

You know, like they just want to be a part of something. It's just what they want to be a part of. And that's the problem with the charismatic leader, like Trump comes along and he tells them, you're a part of this. It's cute until they start storming the capital. But it's cute. If you watch a QAnon rally, it's kind of cute.

It's fun. It's folksy. It's a civil war reenactment. They're all nuts. They're all bored. What's wild is how many people were infiltrated. Yes. How many of those groups were infiltrated by intelligence?

The FBI. Yeah. Yeah, because they're bored. Well, that's the Whitmer case. Yeah. The FBI wants to come in and how many of her kidnappers? 12. 12 out of 14.

We're FBI agents. The two guys that weren't are doing big time. Yeah. They're doing long stretches and one of them was talking about it. And one of the things that he was talking about was like, I never planned on doing anything. They coerced me into all of this.

Of course. They planned everything. And this was not my idea. It was all fantasy. The Boston Bomber. Boston Bombers was weird too. There's something weird about that. The FBI goes, yeah, we don't know who they are.

And then Russian intelligence goes, we told you who they were. Samantha Fuller, whose father, Graham Fuller, was a huge CIA guy who's architect of their Mideast policy. She married this guy, Rusli Zernayev. His nephews are the guys who did the bombing. That's odd. That a CIA family, this woman, married Rusli Zernayev,

his nephews, who were traveling back and forth to Dagestan. And the FBI had no idea who they were. Chuck Grassley, who's the senator, writes a letter to the FBI going, why were you doing surveillance? The night that Sean Collier, the MIT police officer, was killed in the neighborhood of the Zernayevs. Did you know about them?

Did you, had you any relationship with them? It's odd. And then the FBI wrote back, we were in that, we were in and around MIT, because that was the MIT police officer was killed the day after or the night of the bombing, where they supposedly killed the police officer and then were trying to get away.

And they robbed a 7-Eleven. They did all this stuff. Chuck Grassley's like, why are you guys in that area? And they were like, we were around MIT for a separate reason. The FBI was there for a separate reason. This is also a thing where they killed one of their friends. Like one of their, they had a routine interview at the guy's house.

They didn't make him come to an FBI office. And one of their friends, this guy ended up dead. Four FBI agents in the room, interviewing this guy. Supposedly he went to go grab something and kill them and then he ended up shot dead. So, really? Yeah, the FBI is like, it's weird. The FBI, the entrapment and the stuff they get into,

it's weird. It's odd. The entrapment thing is strange. It's strange. We've talked before about the story about the 19-year-old guy, I think it was in Dallas, who, they talked him into using a bomb and activating this bomb, you know,

it was like some fundamentalist. Right. They talked him into doing this, but it was a fake bomb. They gave him, and then when he went to activate this fake bomb, then they swooped in and took him. Yeah. Like they gave him the bomb.

They told him to do it. They, yeah. And he was young and gullible and... It's crazy what they do. This is kind of what they do. This is just the way they operate, and they don't want the way they operate to become public. So, all these things that happen...

But you got to think that also by doing that, you can infiltrate legitimately dangerous organizations, and you can stop legitimately dangerous things that are happening. I think that's some of what they do. That's probably the origins... Some of it, sure. The origins of it.

Some of it is, I think, good. I think the problem you run into with that is it's so murky, and it's such a fine line. When you're dealing with mentally unhealthy people, and when you compromise somebody or you're, you recruit somebody as an informant, it's weighing on them. They're crazy.

They don't know what's going on. They're anxious. They're like, you know, I think they promise this guy. Supposedly, they might have... This guy, Tamar Luzernayev or whatever, like might have been promised citizenship, they hang, they dangle carrots with people. They go, we'll make you say, we'll do this, we'll do that,

we'll give you money, we'll do that. And sometimes... What's the big conspiracy theory about the Boston bombings? The FBI, again, these are just guys that they were probably trying to set up, and then the fucking bomb went off. Meaning that, again, it was just a similar thing

where it's like the FBI had either recruited them or in the process of trying to recruit them. And then, you know, if you come clean with that, the American public goes, what the fuck are you doing? Right, but what, yeah. The conspiracy theory, is it that the FBI... Is covering up that they had prior relationships with Luzernayevs, that they knew them,

that there was any pre-existing relationship with them at all. But there's not that they instigated this. Well, what is instigated, right? That's a big question, right? And you know, did they give them the bomb? We don't know, right? But there are instances where they do give people stuff,

right? Or they do allow people to purchase weapons, or they do, you know? Like, did they instigate the Whitmer kidnappings? Supposedly, they probably did. They're putting this idea... The fact that there's 12 informants... There's 12 guys.

Out of 14 guys. So when you talk about the Luzernayevs, it's just weird that, you know, number one, there's not a lot known about the trial, that they put special administrative measures on the trial, which means that, like, nobody can really speak out about what happened. It's all very tightly controlled.

And they said it's national security. But then you're like, but you told us they weren't related to any terrorist thing. So why... If they're not related to any overseas terrorist cell, and they acted alone, what the hell is national security? So, again, you're just supposed to go like, hey, got them.

They got them. They got them. You know? But what's the alternative? They treated Meghan Markle horribly. Like, that's... People like my aunt, they just go... They go, stop with that.

Go to Markle now. Markle's racist. To Meghan Markle. It's like, it's just an endless circus of nonsense. You're never supposed to get in the weeds with anything. And if you do, you're meant to look insane. Because some of the people in the weeds are insane. Some of the people that will have the conversation

I'm having right now are crazy. Most. Most. So that becomes a problem. Your allies become people who are fucking nuts. And they're like, Chrissy Teigen has a tunnel under the fire. And you go, okay, she doesn't. She does.

She's selling fucking cookware. So, you know, you start looking into things. Dude, when you start looking into serial killers, it's crazy. Like, when you start looking at a son of Sam and David Burr, and this idea that there might have been more people doing that shit. Like, there's been books written about the fact that David Berkowitz, like, maybe didn't do all of those murders, but he was the guy that went down.

Did you send me the article about the never caught the guy who built the bomb? I send you, yes, I send you a lot of that stuff. But didn't you send me it like yesterday? I sent you an article today where it was a guy from the Boston Marathon bombing, where, you know, he had gotten into a multiplication with his parents, and they can't rent in his house. And I don't know, Ipswich, which is the clam town, or, you know, all these places. And they found like a pressure cooker bomb.

And it was like the type of bomb that would have been using the marathon. And they also proved that he knew Tamils or not, like they had a, you know, connection. So it was like, is this the guy that built the bomb? So who knows? Michelle McPhee, who's a journalist in Boston, wrote the book, I think it was called Maximum Harm, about the Boston Marathon. She did a lot of great work on it, and she wrote a book basically, kind of ripping the official story of Park going like,

the feds are clearly covering up something here. And, you know, it was interesting. And she's a fun journalist. I think she punched a cop or something. She did, she got a dealie and punched a cop. But something good, Boston, good, you know? Something good. I trust people.

I trust you if you've done something like that. Really? Yeah, if you've gotten drunk and like punched a cop, it's like, oh, okay, I get it. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm more inclined to trust you in that scenario, you know? But that's the thing, it's like, you just gotta enjoy life. Because it is, you know, you're never gonna figure it out. You're never gonna figure it out.

You'll never figure it out. You'll never know. Nobody's gonna, you'll never know what really went down. No. You know? And that's part of the purpose. That's part of the purpose. Because there's so much noise, and there's so much craziness.

People get mad at me, and they're like, no, you're cynical, and you tell people not to care. It's like, I'm not telling people not to care. I'm just telling people, like, just a lot, a certain amount of time to caring. It's like a diet. Don't consume too much. Most people aren't good at that, though. It's like a diet.

Living with diets. QAnon, here's the thing with diet. It's like, you're supposed to take in a little bit of conspiracy every now and then. QAnon's Denny's. QAnon's just banana, salted caramel, pancake. Like, food that doesn't even make sense. Yeah. QAnon is everyday fast food.

I tried to get, before we go, I wanted to get you a Comanche gift for Christmas. And it's very difficult. But just the idea that I wanted to do it, I think you should register as really nice. I appreciate it. I called the Comanche Museum in Oklahoma, and they had like, they're like, we have like towels and shirts. I'm like, no, that's not what I want. I wanted like an artifact, and you cannot buy them.

No, they don't want you to have them. I know that. Like, if you dig up Arrowhead, they'll kill me. They believe that it belongs to whatever nation. Well, that's the other thing I was reading about. Do I want to curse myself to give you something? But so I wanted to get a Comanche thing. That's why I texted you.

I'm like, where are the Comanche? I want to text you about the Comanche. Yeah. It was, it's impossible to get anything. So. Thanks anyway. But I really wanted to. Thanks for the thought.

It was a great thought, and it would have been great if it happened. Have you ever read into them? I want to read more about, you said they were like a nomadic, and it was the wild. Yeah, it's right here. Empire of the Summer Moon is probably the best book on it. Interesting. It's really good. Are they your favorites?

Well, they're the most fascinating to me because they were the reason why people couldn't get across the plains and into the West. They were warriors. They were the, yeah. They would set people up by giving them homesteads. It's like, hey, would you like all these acres in Oklahoma? Go there. And they'd go there.

They'd get slaughtered. And then that would be a reason why they would bring in the army. And then. Were they the toughest tribe? Well, what they were were the tribe that mastered horse, like horse raising. So they were horsemen. They knew how to ride horses. They knew how to raise horses.

They had an abundance of horses. And they would ride on them and shoot arrows while they were riding. They mastered equestrianism. Amazing. Yeah. So they would like hang on to the horse sideways and shoot from under the horse's neck as they were riding. So they'd be riding and shoot arrows while they were protected by the body of the horse.

Are you, do you think the Avatar stuff, there's any, obviously Native Americans are kind of pissed about it, but not all of them. Well, I just sent you that article, which is, but that's just everything. No matter what the fucking movie is, if it's Maverick Tom Cruise's movie or if it's, there's always going to be someone that's upset about it. This is an outrage culture. Outrage is. I think it portrays.

It's advertising. It's everything. If it's based on the Native American, it portrays them as like really good people. Oh, they're the most noble. I mean, the people in Avatar are the, the, the, the Navi are the most noble. They're the most noble. You know what's interesting? So I'm pointing out all the, in every movie you have diversity, but in Avatar,

all the humans are white because all the humans are evil. Yeah. I think the Navi are interesting people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. The Navi are the most noble, but I think they're also short-sighted because I think the sky people aren't giving them really good opportunities and pathways to money and profit. And I think the Navi are like, hey, we're just going to be the farst forever.

It's like, you're not, let's get real. Like they're ignoring tourism. They're ignoring a lot of things. I believe in progress. I believe in progress. No, I literally do. And I don't think you can just like, oh, I'm blue. And I think eventually it's like enough, enough.

People, they, when in 2009, when people went to see Avatar, they got Avatar depression. Because the way those people lived was so resonated with them. Like the way they want to be, they want to be spiritual and of the earth. Go to Brazil and get bit by a bug the size of a bird. It's all shit, nature's shit. And the planet's a dump. No, the reality of the planet's a dump. The only thing good really is casinos and like inside things.

That's why people like Dubai. All you need buffets. They build everything inside. Yeah. It's like this nature's shit. It's people like fetishize it. Go out in it for a day. You're shot.

You have skin cancer. It's over. Do you have anything to promote? I mean, how hilarious is this to ask you? Do you have anything to do with it? Do you want to tell? Do you have anything to promote, Joe? No, I don't promote anything.

I've never even promoted my show. It's sick, it's sick. I don't. It's done well. Yeah, timdilloncomedy.com. If you want to get live tickets to the shows. How's touring been? It's been fun.

I mean, we're doing, we're in clubs now to build material. Yeah. And then we'll probably start some theaters in the fall. I like how you say we're. Like you're a different person. Well, I have multiple personalities. No, it's me. But I just, I was talking the royal way.

It seemed bigger. It's like, you know what I mean? Yes. But yeah, it's been fun. We did Irvine Improv on New Years. They were fun. They were, it was great. Do you like doing New Years?

You know, every year I go, I'm not going to do it. And every year I do it. That's where I'm at. I just like to work because like every year I go, I don't want to do it. But then like, you know, you get an offer and they go, they want you to do. And I'm like, I could entertain people over New Years Eve.

I'm lucky. And you know, somebody said to me once they said, whether it's New Years Eve or New Years Day, do something you want to do for the year. It was interesting. They were like, do something that, whether if you're jogging, if you're this, if you're that, do something. Start the year the way you want to finish the year.

So I love doing stand-up. So I start, and maybe you start the year doing it. You know, the way, I don't know. But why don't you work? Um, it just seems like too much of an amateur hour. Like it is an amateur hour. Everybody just wants to cheer. When's the countdown?

Yeah. See how many people are angry at Don Lemon because he missed the countdown. So have you ever done New Years? You probably have done it. Oh, I've done it multiple times. Yeah. Yeah.

Many, many times. I've done, I used to do New Year's shows every year. So now you just take it off and spend it with your family? Yeah. Soft. It was fun. It's a little soft. I enjoyed it.

You're not worried about money? No, I'm kidding. But I don't think that it's the same kind of show. I think it's a fun show. Yeah. And I think that people like their noise makers. It's crowd control. They like those little horns that they get to blow.

We brought a woman on stage at the end to just help us do the countdown. Well, the thing about LA is we did a countdown at 8.30. It was totally fake. There were two shows, the early countdown. I'm like, this doesn't even correspond with New York. It's a completely fake countdown. And everyone's in the mall.

It's just, why did you do a countdown? Because they make you. Oh, I've done two shows before where I didn't do a countdown. They're paying you money. I said to my agent, do I have to do the countdown? I was like, yeah. So that was in the contract. You have to do the count.

It's part of the thing. You have to say, I'm not doing a countdown for the early show. Interesting. I used to do early shows. I used to do a fucking countdown. I'm doing the countdown. I've never done a fake countdown. I think the audience kind of enjoyed the countdown.

I don't think so. I mean, you know, they like it. They love it. They like making noise on cue. Yeah, they're like, yeah, it's a fun thing to do. Next year, I'm like, this year I won't. I'm not doing it next year. I guarantee I'll do it next year.

People love being sort of like corralled like that. Like, yay, and ready, go. Yeah. I may do it next year at the same talk show taping. Oh, god. Yeah, well, this is kind of the same thing. Like, are you ready to applaud? Yay!

Yeah, let's go. Applaud signs are wild. No, it's crazy. That whole thing is wild. It's such orchestrated enjoyment of a show. That's right. Like, when you see the person who's the producer waving at the crowd doing that, if you go to one of these things,

people don't know, there's signs that flash that say, applause, right, which is fucking crazy. And then there's a person who's like doing this to the crowd getting excited. So when you see everybody cheering along, it's not organic. Because people don't know who half the people are anymore. Like, when you go to see a taping a Fallon, you have no idea who these people are.

Somebody comes out and it's like, give it up. And you're like, OK, they're like, you know, do they have a say at all in who goes on those shows, you think? The audiences? Yeah, like Seth Meyers. Does he have a say? Interesting. I don't know.

That's a whole area of comedy I know very little about. Like, I don't know how the guest selection process. Could you imagine, though, doing your show, if somebody chose your guests? Yeah. That to me sounds like hell. It would be crazy. Well, it sounds like a totally different thing.

It's not that you wouldn't get great guests. You probably get a lot of really interesting conversations. But not being able, like, one of the beautiful things about podcasts, you get to pick who you're talking to. Yeah. Well, it's like, they wanted me for Hot Ones once. And then they go, we got someone else. And I was like, oh.

Like, because I was like very down the list. Like, everyone else had canceled. They couldn't get anyone. And then they go, well, you do Hot Ones. I go, yeah. And then they go, we got someone else. And I'm like, oh. What was this?

How long ago was this? Probably like, I don't know, like a year ago or something. Oh, wow. But it was just one of those things where you realize, like, you're like, OK, I got it. Because they'll get somebody from White Do It Now. Would you do it now? Probably.

You don't feel upset that they canceled on you? It was a little fucked up. But I'll still do it. I'll still do it. If it moves some tickets, if it gets people to come see me or whatever. It probably will. Yeah.

You got the great Hot Ones. Yeah. So it was weird to me that they would just dip out. They might have Googled me too. And they're like, wait, what? Like, what are we nuts? Like, and I get it. They want like, you know, listen, I'm, you know,

I just did an acting thing. And I kind of did good in it. I had three lines. And during it, the director said to me, because I'm kind of at my wit's end with you. I don't know why you're doing the wrong thing. I was moving a book. I had to pass them on a book.

And the thing with acting is everything has to be the same different. Like everything's got to be the same every time. Right. And I wasn't doing it the same way. He was like, you're doing, you're passing the book like differently. And I don't know what's wrong with you.

And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. Because I would get nervous. Right. So he goes, you're putting the pen on the book differently. He's like, sometimes your hand is over the book. He goes, sometimes you take two fingers and push it like that. He goes, what is he, you know, what's wrong with you? But I think by the end, we did about 17 takes.

And by the end, I think it was good. By the end, did you decide to never act again? Well, by the end, he was like, you did a really good job. And I was like, thank you so much. Did you believe him? I haven't been back to set since. Yeah. Now, no, but I think I did good.

It's fine. You know, I think I did well. OK. It's acting stuff. I think I did great. I think I did great. But he was very upset. He was seemed upset.

I can't wait to watch it now, because that's all I'm going to think about. But I think I did really well. And I think during it, the director seemed very upset. And the other actors seemed a little mad. But they were nice. That's good. They were really nice.

But so I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. CAA was like, that might open up some more doors. I go, oh, I don't know. Open up some more doors. Do you want to do that, though? Would you want to be on a set for 16 hours a day for five months?

No, but five months is no. But if they said two weeks, I'm a two-week guy. And I come in and I just get to be funny. I shouldn't carry this unless it's all about me and I'm involved in the creative. But if they bring me into a thing where they go, you can kind of be like you and be funny. But that wasn't this.

This was a different. But if I was like, yeah. But I wouldn't want to do it for five months. But a couple of months, it would depend on if it was something where I felt like I feel good at podcasting. I feel good at stand-up because I've really worked at those things. I feel like I could be funny. But it would have to be a real specific thing.

Well, the acting thing is it's very specific in that you're brought in for a very, very specific goal. You're supposed to move this aspect of the plot. You're supposed to be this guy that does this thing. I think some people enjoy that kind of work where you can kind of like lock into this character and then you see how it affects the script and see how it affects the movie.

And you get excited about it. Yeah. I mean, and I could be excited about that. I feel like you're too free, though. The problem is like. The directors are less excited about me. You've gotten to this point where you can be so free and then you've developed an audience by being this free.

And then. That's the problem. Yeah. Well, I don't think the good news is I don't think anyone's really go. Like I'm not going to be a marquee actor. Like if I ever did a movie, I'd want it to be a cult classic Unwoke.

But look at Bert. Very funny. Bert Kreischer, the machine. He's just like, he released the trailer on the podcast that I did with him. And. But that's him. App to release the trailer.

Something like that I could do because it's like his story. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. You as a corrupt mortgage guy. Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. Yeah.

That you could do. That I could do. Like you could do your story. That I could do. Selling subprime mortgage. It would have to be that. It couldn't be. I'm not going to come into like a role.

But it would have to be like far enough from 2008 where people aren't mad at you anymore. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, I think I've done a great job rehabilitating the image of subprime mortgage salespeople. That's one of the things I believe I've done. I think I've kind of, because the borrowers were criminals too.

Right. Also. But did they know they were criminals? So they were just like giving it an opportunity. Everybody wants money. If you look at the word victim throughout history, you've done a big history guy. Imagine explaining to someone in history,

you were a victim and then they're going, what were you a victim of? They go, somebody gave me 700 grand. You go, what? You were a horrible victim of this predatory scam. What was the scam? Somebody gave me 700 grand. I didn't have a job.

You were a victim? No. Everybody played the game and then, you know, it's musical chairs. The chairs ran out. I lost a house. My house was foreclosed on. I bought a house when I was 22. I had no money, about a $600,000 house in Long Island.

Did you really? It sold five years later for $250,000. It was not a good investment. I would never sell someone something I wouldn't sell myself. I was a cocaine addict and I wanted a house. I love houses. I hate, I don't like homes. Homes are weird.

What do you mean? People that have families and like love in the home, I prefer just a nice house to destroy. Really? Yeah. I'm going to have an investment course called Many Houses, No Homes. How to own an abused real estate.

Yeah, no, I mean, yeah. And then I lost the house too. And I bounced back. I moved into some dump and I did stand up for years. You looked at your funny. And the best years of my life were spent doing stand up, you know, and eating pizza in New York. And then, you know, and then I came and I did your show

and things were okay. So it's going to be fine. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate you. Thanks for having me. Of course.