The Tim Dillon Show - 356 - The Great Shark Debate

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Tim goes head to head with Eli Roth on sharks, the director’s passion for the finned creatures and why the 'Tim Dillon-ization' of Hollywood may happen sooner than you think. American Royalty Tour 🎟 https://www.timdilloncomedy.com/ Pre-Order ‘Death By Boomers’ By Tim Dillon 👉 https://rb.gy/gafn4 SPONSORS: Raycon Go to BUYRAYCON.com/tim TODAY to get 15% off your Raycon order! Shipstation Get a 60-day free trial at https://www.shipstation.com/timdillon Express VPN EXPRESSVPN.com/TimDillon ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wo... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timjdillon/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/TimJDillon Listen on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/2gRd1wo... #TheTimDillonShow Merch:  https://store.timdilloncomedy.com/ For every $400,000 we gross in revenue, we are donating five dollars to end homelessness in Los Angeles. We are challenging other creators to do the same. #TimGivesBack

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dylan show. We are here, very good friend, director, actor, writer, Eli Roth. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. I know it's a rare occasion. It's a rare occasion for a guest on the show. There's very few and most of them are hated. Well, I'm a listener to the pod.

So I hate when you have guests because I tune in to listen to you rant. So I know how people feel hearing my voice. Yeah. And I'll just say this. Don't kill sharks. Thanks, Tim. No, but here's why I wanted to have you want very rarely. Do I want to talk to someone about something? It's true. I spent a lot of time alone. I drive my car alone. I swim in the ocean alone. I stare at people. I go up and down PCH. It's actually, I don't mind solitude. And I gather my thoughts, then I come here and I say them very rarely, do I want to speak to anyone about anything and hear, or, you know, if I want to talk to someone, I'll just play something they've said on YouTube.

And then when I'm done with it, I can just exit out instead of having an actual conversation. But you, outside of the work we've done together, because we did just do a film together, which we will not speak about because we are in a strike. Solidarity with the strike, yes. Which will end soon, we hope. We hope and we can get on and talk about all that stuff, because I have a lot to share, but we will not.

Yes, later on, months from now, when the strike is over, and everyone is happy, and the executives and the writers are hand in hand. We're having lunch with Zazlove later. So if between that and your dinner with reason, and you're, you know, the breakfast is bought backish. I think you should be able to solve this. I may be the secret weapon, meaning like, and I've said this before, why am I not on a negotiating committee?

I understand the way the executives live, where they eat, what they enjoy, what they value, and the writers don't, because the writers live in Echo Park and Silver Lake, and they're just, it's a different breed of human, if you want to call them that. And I respect and love them, and I know that they need their needs met, but they need to find a way to communicate that to the denizens of Beverly Hills of Malibu people that I know and that I see and that I respect and I like. So we need to meet in the middle. But one thing, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on is that somewhere along the line

and I don't know when your Instagram got completely hijacked. I thought you would been, I thought your Instagram had been hacked. Yes. As long as it was hacked by environmentalists. I didn't know what was going on because I know you as a director of films and an actor. And I'm like, okay, and you would ask me, I audition for a thing you did a bunch of times. I didn't get it. That's okay. It's by God's not a big deal. I did, I think, 40 auditions. It's all right. It's fine.

And I think it was like, I think you were like, we hired someone who's even fatter. And I was like, God damn it. All right. I don't know if I use those words, but it did serve as the audition for the new one. You know, I basically was like, okay, he can do it. And that's good.

Yeah. And I didn't make you re audition. I wrote something for you for the new one. That's a good point. So I knew that from the first audition, I was like, oh, he's great and he can nail it. It just, we needed a different type for that role. I like that.

And this was like, I'm going to write something great for you. And well, again, we can talk about it. We can't talk about that. That's why I didn't. But then I'm looking at your Instagram. And I'm just seeing bloody sharks, bloody fish. I'm seeing the entrails of fish. I'm seeing sharks that are opened up.

And you're having this moment where it's all about sharks. And what's interesting about this is people have breakdowns in a myriad of ways, right, in Hollywood. Like people have all of these crates. Like there's all kinds of ways to lose it, right? Lizzo was making people eat bananas out of vaginas in Amsterdam. People just, they get to a certain point and they go, and listen, nobody's above a break, nobody. And I'm looking at this and I'm going, is everything okay, can you communicate to me

why at some point in your life you decided to care about vicious killing machines that inhabit our oceans? Well, thank you for that lovely introduction, Tim. I agree, I mean, you could say it's a mental breakdown, but I also have a somewhat manic personality and obsessive, which I think helps being a director. I think you, I'm like you, I'm totally alone. I like to be in solitude.

I like to write what I want people to say, and then control the actions of what they do, and then edit it. It's part of what I enjoy in storytelling. But I think I also love sharks. I grew up in Massachusetts. I will say this, and you're a swimmer and an ocean person. I had never seen a shark in the ocean before.

Have you? I have not seen a shark in the ocean. So everything we know about sharks came from TV and movies. Because we had never encountered one in the ocean because why would you want to? Because a shark, as far as I was concerned, it was just gonna eat me. So then I heard someone asked me to be part of Shark Week

with a show Shark After Dark, and they started saying, well, you know, we're killing 100 million a year. I'm like, how's that possible? They go, yeah, we are. It's for soup in China, and I go, really? That doesn't make sense. And I started talking to more activists going,

is this thing real? And they go, yes, since 2000, it's a recent phenomenon. They serve it at weddings. And the shark trade has started. And then they stopped. They said, well, you can't take the fins, because that's cruel to throw them back in.

So they started the shark liver oil started. And all these kind of side businesses started. And I go, well, what is shark taste like? They go, well, you can't really eat it. It's too toxic. I go, what is shark-vinced soup taste like? They go, it's nothing. It's like fishing line.

It's fingernail. They have to flavor it with chicken stock. I would be like, wait, hang on a second. Why do we need sharks? What's the big deal? And they go, well, sharks are what keep the ocean healthy. They're like the doctors of the sea. Like if you think you have a swimming pool, like imagine if you didn't have the filter and all the scum started building up on the top layer and there was nothing to clean it. Like that's what sharks function are. So I went, Is this true? Yeah. Because I've never once heard, and I'm not saying you're lying.

And I'm not saying these people are lying. And I, maybe you could look this up. Are sharks the doctors of the ocean? Yes, they are. They are. I'll tell you why. They are the oldest predators. They're 400 million years old.

I know everyone's already tuning out, so I'll try and make it fun. And sure, 400 million years old, they're older than trees, older than dinosaurs. They've evolved to basically be a perfect hunter where they'll only kill what they can catch, and they don't eat a lot. They'll eat once a month, and they eat the second dying fish. So what sharks do is they keep everything in balance

and they clean up the ocean. So what is interesting is... What says here, as well as keeping the ocean, food, web, and balance, sharks also play a pivotal role in keeping populations that they prey on genetically healthy as well as removing disease and sickness from the ocean hence the term doctors. I've never heard this. Well, that's there's a reason. Yeah. And there's a reason you're afraid of them. There's a reason you hate them. It's because the fishing industry is making millions and millions and millions of dollars off of their debt. But they also, they also attack people.

12 people a year. More people are killed by vending machines. Is that true, Eli? Yes, it is. This is one of these fake statistics. It's not a fake statistic. How do you die from a vending machine? Because your Zagnot bar gets stuck and you pound the damn thing, go and give me my candy

bar and the thing falls on you. Like 38 or 40 people a year die from vending machines. More people are killed from armed three or at least 37 deaths and 113 injuries since 1978 that have resulted. Oh, but that's since 1978, that's not per year. That's what they're aware of. A lot of people aren't bragging about well. It says the early risk in the US of dying from a shark bite is roughly one in

250 million in contrast. The yearly risk of dying from a vending machine accident is roughly one in 112 million. Okay, so this is the party line. These are the talking points. All right. So it's basically your, your, your payment prepared with this. Well, I know this stuff from doing the reason. So I spent five years making a documentary called Finn.

That is on it aired during shark week. Okay. It was on Discovery Plus. Then that sold to your friend, David Zazlov. So now it is on it aired during Shark Week. It was on Discovery Plus. Then that sold to your friend David Zazlov. So now it is on stream on Max. Well, no one cares more about sharks than him. Right. Exactly. Well, thing is nobody likes sharks because they don't have faces. They don't have personalities. They don't have vocal chords. It's not like when you say save the elements. Right. And by the way, creepy. And here's the thing. This is the way I feel about sharks.

creepy. And here's the thing, this is the way I feel about sharks. I don't have a particular issue with them. But when when people say like we have to live in balance with nature, okay, but I mean, let's, I mean, let's take that to the extreme. Are we not going to use a bug spray? Are we not going to try to limit the incursions of rodents and things like that into our homes. I do think that at the end of the day, we should be looking at sharks. You know, we have these seal populations that are out of control. They're nuts in where you come from.

There's a documentary right now called After the Bite. Yes. And it's incredibly boring and a waste of everyone's time. But I watch it so you don't have to. What it's about is all these people from Massachusetts with heinous accents. The water, it's the worst. But I grew up with it.

But what it is is the seal populations have gone nuts. The sharks are feeding on the seals. There are more sharks now than ever. And it's created a really dangerous situation for people that want to enjoy the water. And it's become like the tough guy thing on the internet to go, hey, you're living with the sharks,

you're in their home, you better be aware of that, you're taking a risk. And my thing is like, we need, I think, to really not let sharks intimidate us. And we need to see them as a threat and counter that threat the same way we would counter a threat of China or a country, you know, we are building up an arsenal right now to fight China in our defense

department. We have trillions of dollars of money being spent on weapon systems to eventually counter China. Should we not look at sharks, the same way, should we not experiment with fences, it beages, electric fences. Sharks are there. They don't want anything to do with us. They know 99% of the time. They're just, they're there anyways. They don't want any, they don't want any more interaction with you than you want with them. What you should be afraid of is the algae, the acidic algae blooms. Look at the beach. This is interesting. This is this. I am also afraid of this. Look at, look at, look if you want to worry about sharks closing a beach. Okay, you can have sharks spotters. They have in South America. Someone looks and they go, up, there's a shark. People come each. Okay, you can have shark spotters. They have in South America. If someone looks and they go,

up, there's a shark, people come out, they go back and apply that. But that's only if the thin is up. No, they can, you can, I mean, you can see them. You can, they can have a drug, they can have a helicopter. What about the video up of that person in Egypt being mauled?

I want you to defend this. I'm not going to defend it. I want Eli Roth to defend. Hang on a second. Okay. Let's talk about the algae. Yes. Look up, Inventure County this summer. The beaches that were closed because of acidic algae blooms, dolphins were fighting, dolphins were washing up on

shore, seals were washing up on shore. Last week, all the beaches in LA were closed because of bacteria. This is, this is when they say the ocean is out of balance. What the sharks do. And this is eat algae? No, but they eat the fish that they, they keep the group are in check. The group are eat the parrotfish, the parrotfish eat the algae. So there's no sharks, right? And then you have the group are go crazy because they're like, check, the grouper eat the parrotfish, the parrotfish eat the algae. So there's no sharks, right? And then you have the grouper go crazy because they're like, well, the police aren't around. Let's eat all the parrotfish.

So there's no parrotfish now. So the algae are like, well, hey, we're great because the grouper don't eat the algae. They've taken out the parrotfish, the parrot. So now the algae spreads and it turns toxic. So animal life can't live, but it's impossible to clean. You can't fix that. Is there no way that human beings with our vast array of resources and technology and

science can fight the algae without sharks? No, not yet. I mean, we're talking about dumping chemicals in the ocean. The natural way to do it is sharks, right, but we're pulling them out of the water for nothing. It was the problem that was mainly the Chinese. It's not. That's the myth. It's that we're selling our fins. Everyone in the world does there was mainly the Chinese. It's not. That's the myth. It's that we're selling our fins. Everyone in the world does it. We just stopped.

There's like a fin band, but it's legal to kill sharks. So that's why this thing started. The Alabama deep sea fishing rodeo, which I was going to make a post about. I kept quiet and then I saw what they did over the weekend. Two years ago, they allowed sharks. So what they did is these scientists, Alabama deep sea fishing road. It's the biggest kind of fishing bloodbath in the United States. It's a rodeo where thousands of boats go on a crazy fishing. It's a show of strength. It's a show and two

years ago from humanity. They showed, they put, they added one guy who's a bear hunter, added great hammerheads, bull sharks, tiger sharks, and people were so upset because you had these beautiful magnificent apex predators. The hammerheads really don't attack people. So I say leave them alone. None of them attack people. It's an investigation. It's an investigative bite. When you bite a sandwich, are you attacking it? Are you going to? Yes. Okay, but what if it's a sandwich you don't know if you're gonna like? That's true. You take a bite and you're like, if even if I'm biting a sandwich that I don't know if I'm going to like the sandwiches. Let's say you go to Jada and you bite a sandwich and you're like,

I don't know if I want this, this, the turkey in the monster cheese. Maybe I have the roast chicken. And you take a bite and then you're, I don't like it. I put it back. But you're, you're not attacking it. Sharks attacked five people over in the beginning of the summer. In the past. Yeah. In long time. They bit people. Now those people are fine, they were not fatal bites.

It's an investigation. I mean, how many people died from fentanyl? I mean, like there are a lot of things. More people died from bees, more people died from dogs. It's not fun. You're not crusading on behalf of fentanyl. Not yet. Not yet.

I'm in my next iteration. So this does, and here's where I will throw you a bone. This seems a little fucked up. Well, what they did this year was not only the guy, but make a shark is tasty. No, but what have you measured it for mercury? It's 35 times the allowable amount of mercury in your body. So you have like shark raw Madison. There's project Nakawaii. They don't test it. Well, I like these dissociation rams. They have a major problem. I know you do, but I have a major issue with those rams.

I know you don't like ocean. And I don't like the trolling of the, first of all, is it not this respectful? If we're gonna respect the doctors of the sea to read or to jump in and redirect them and tap their nose? And if I did that to my doctor in Beverly Hills, he'd be upset if I'm like, go that way. And I just touched his nose.

So I don't know what ocean Ramsey's doing. She seems a bit sick. Well, there, look, ocean is big on education. And is that a real name that is her real name? Oh God. And ocean's been great with me. And I think that oceans, main things and of course you'll defend her and all of these.

By the way, look, there are other people that feel the people like, why are you touching sharks at all? That's correct. There are plenty of people that feel that way. That is correct. I will completely acknowledge that. But the point is that in this rodeo, you had a guy who killed a thousand pound tiger shark, Brett Rutledge. Look him up. He's the winner. He won. He won six thousand dollars paid for by I Heart Radio. So he takes this apex predator. They slice it open and 25 babies come out. fishermen so deep sea guardians get all these videos there

And then the fishermen send a video to deep sea guardians where they've taken the 25 dead babies and the mother and they did a tick-tock to the song Baby Shark and that's where I was like you know what I mean I understand that he has that it's on my Instagram And that was sent by the fishermen so I said, so you basically have this rodeo. I will say this. I love Raycon earbuds because they're like the other one, but they're better and they're less expensive. And you have a 30 day happiness guarantee. You really can't lose.

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on my Instagram, it's like Mississippi State, Southern Alabama University, and then the deep sea fishing rodeo puts up, basically going, look, science is there. Now, NOAA, which is the body that's supposed to be overseeing all this stuff, Janet Coit at the head of NOAA Fisheries, says shark fishing is sustainable. My whole point is we can't eat them.

It's too toxic to eat. They're down 90% were killing at least 100 billion a year. And I showed this all in the documentary. It could be as high as 270 million, 30,000 an hour. Sharks take 11 years to reach sexual maturity. They have like eight or nine pops. Like they breed basically like humans. So they've killed this apex predator, cut out 25 babies, made a TikTok with it,

took the prize money from I Heart Radio, and all these scientists are like shut up. It's for science, you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm saying we have to completely end shark fishing because now the beaches are closed because the algae is spreading. It's a real problem. And everyone is looking at the activists going,

you guys are crazy. So what I've learned, and you wanna know why I go crazy, this is it. A lot of the science labs, they get their money from the fishing industry. They're funded by them, so they don't wanna speak out against it. And the NGOs too, the fishing industry,

such a powerful lobby. So I'm a film director. A fishing industry. I can go crazy. Is a powerful asset to have in terms of conservation. One of the things that RFK did was when RFK, whose career was as an environmentalist for a very long time, people don't realize that.

He went and he got the fisherman and the hunters. He didn't go out and use words that were politically divisive like global warming. He went out and said, let's get the hunters, let's get the fisherman. Don't you want clean rivers? Yes. Don't you want, uh, you know, forest, setter healthy and thriving? Yes. Okay. Well, here's how to do that. And he, you know, so I think the fishing industry can play a vital role in conservation. Are we against all fishing? Are you saying that? Absolutely not.

All fishing is bad. No, I am not. That's, I completely agree with you. It's an extremist point of view. It's a very sad. No one should have any fish. Two thirds of the world. Shark is bad. What else are you looking to ban? Just shark. That's it. Just shark. That's it. Um, you were like, honestly, the sharks, you can't do anything with it. Anytime shark is out of the water. Well, I've never seen when they, they do a, honestly, the sharks, you can't do anything with it anytime shark is out of the water. Well, I've never seen when they do a, like, the jaw. Well, no, no, well, that's nice. Yeah. But also, have you ever seen like on a restaurant when they do, uh, it's not quite taxidermy,

but I forget how they do it where they take the shark and they, you know, they make it into, uh, something you put into a wall mount. Yeah. Here's the thing. So much of the sharks are killed by bycatch anyways. They're all getting caught in the gill nets and the fishing. And I do think that-

So they're not even pretty to look at. Yeah, they're all ground up. They have no fins on them. I mean, look, you can't, it's a pointless industry. And the reason people want to keep going is because they want likes on Facebook. So I'm the one who's like,

I don't make my money from the fishing industry. I can just be a voice and go, why are we doing this? That's all I'm saying. The whole point of the doc is, can't we just, we, we 50 years ago, the whole world got together and goes, why are we killing whales? We need to stop. Sharks will not be able to recover. We'll never attack. It's, it's except Moby Dick. Right. But whales never attack and, and killer whales really don't attack people. Except did you read in the heart of the sea? With a bull sperm whale ram that boat three times. That's what inspired Moe Bdick That was that was the first sign of intelligence that book is incredible because people thought whales are mindless monsters

And the fact that it stopped and turned around and rammed captain Pollard's boast twice and then it happened to him again Like I got shipwreck twice the book is insane is insane. The people start eating these. I'm just cousins. When we exempt sharks from criticism for their behavior. Yes. When we say that it's not their fault that they killed somebody. And we are saying that, you know, we're calling the predators or apex predators. And I'm just saying like we should view them potentially as a threat. And they should, when they attack us, should maybe punished? Well, I think that if you, if you get attacked by a shark, then your chances are probably better to win the lottery or get struck by lightning.

I mean, shark, the 12 people, here's the thing, Tim, you, you are getting your wish right now. Yeah. What you wish for will happen to a shark is happening 30,000 times per hour. I'm not, you want sharks to be punished. It's happening. I'm not doing well, but here's the thing. If, if, if, if we take away all punishment, what happens? You're telling me, you're saying you don't think if sharks could, they would come on land and kill everyone. They wouldn't. They don't want to kill anyone.

They would. I've been in the figure if they wanted to go on land, they would kill everyone. They are you telling me that you think sharks are like cuddly people who are like, I've been in the water with them and I have cuddled with sharks before when what a sand shark, a nurse shark. No. And what water tiger shark What water is heating and first I held it's me holding shark in tonic that was a gray reef shark That was in the Bahamas there was a shark who had a hook in its mouth that they had taken out that would follow me

Finally in in French Polynesia I went in the water. I just with no chain mail with nothing and they said just put on flippers Be careful don't splash. And they threw chum around me. And I had like a hundred lemon sharks around me. And I just sat still and they didn't care. They're bumping into a new thing. People going in the water with these sharks. It's what it's going on. I wanted to know if they were going to bite me. And they didn't. And then I went under the water with a tiger shark for an hour.

And it was really cautious and really aware. And you know, there was someone with tuna fish behind me and I fed them by hand. And this thing didn't go crazy. It just carefully glied by it. And then I was in the water with great whites. You have to get into cage with whites by law and Guadalupe. And I saw a seal swimming around hanging on the back of a shark's fin. And I was like, and they don't go after if they see us.

And when you approach a tiger shark or hammerhead, you have to underwater, you have to be very still, hold your breath, they get scared of bubbles. They just like, are you a predator? Are you a prey? You're a large thing with arms. I don't know what that is. I have to be very cautious. They take an hour before they come over to use.

By the time they get to, you have to breathe calm, because you have very little air left, because you only have an hour, 75 minutes of air underwater. So I couldn't believe, I just basically, everything I learned about sharks was a lie from the media. And the reason they're doing it is because they want people to be totally turned to blind eye so they can keep killing them so they can keep money. You know, why would Spielberg make jaws if it's a lie?

Well, he regrets it. He apologized for it. Is that what he said? And Peter Benchley, too. It's one of the greatest movies ever. He said he's very sorry about the damage caused to sharks. I don't blame jaws. I think it's the weddings. I think the industry started. But I do think that Peter Benchley... Well, jaws was a very big component of fear. Of fear. It was.

And by the way, it may be justifiable fear. Do you know that? Because it was created. There was a guy that got eaten in Massachusetts. There was a guy that was eaten in Egypt and we're supposed to ignore this. 10 people get eaten on land. I'm not saying ignore it.

I'm saying they are dangerous animals. Like let's not pretend that there's cute cuddly creatures. Look at that. If you know how to go in the water, yeah, it's horrible. And this is a target site. This is your friend. It's not necessarily mine. This is your friend.

These are the people that you defend all day. These sharks. I can defend them because they don't have vocal cords. Somebody needs to defend them. I'm not defending this part of our guide of cocktails. You know what they would say? Horrably racist things. They would say anti-Semitic things. There's no look at his face. That's me. That's me with a little shark. Is that really true? That's me right there in the right. The New York Times is writing about this. I can't get one review of my special Jason's. No, by the way, no, by the way, no, they trashed it.

It's millions of views on Netflix and they were writing an article about him and a shark. They trashed me. They were like, oh, oh, my god. They were like the New York Times. I don't even think they watched the movie. They were like Eli Roth, torture porn, blah, blah, blah. Now that it's like, I was like, they completely missed the point of it. I got eight reviews. So yeah, so if you're very happy, you want to see me get trashed, read the New York Times of you. It's like they didn't even watch the movie or listen to anything I said. Interesting.

But that's all right. I mean, I don't know what it is. You're a horror director. You're known for that. Of course. And they think that you're just kind of exploiting Gore. And that's okay. But I wasn't prepared for how much you knew about this.

You're very well versed on this. Well, I have to be. I spent five years making the documentary. And there's a lot of people that put their trust in me. So, and there's a lot of people that are much smarter. They're, look, trust me. You talk to the biologists that are Dr. Sean Powers, Dr. Marcus Draman, who were the two scientists who endorsed the Alabama.

The coerce, the Alabama, they will, they will, they will, they said, the core of environmentalism is hatred of humanity. If I speak to those scientists, they will want to destroy all life on earth to protect animals. Well, they will tell you that I'm crazy. I'm an extreme as sharp populations are fine. Oh, oh, I'm an extreme as sharp populations are fine. Oh, so they don't agree with you, the scientists.

No, they think we're crazy. Right to their names down. No, no, no. Because I do always respect it, science. But let me go. I'm telling you it science. But let go of telling you go on this. They put up Noah put up a whole Instagram defending shark tournaments, not even acknowledging the 25 days. Because they're bought and paid for. Exactly. Well, they're, they're department of commerce. Noah is under the department of commerce. So they're bought and paid for and you are hated by the

fisherman. Yes. Well, I'm, I'm not anti-fisherman. I'm just saying fish whatever you want. Just leave the sharks alone. That's all I'm saying. It does seem weird, but, but don't, are you ever concerned about and too much too many sharks? Do you not have that fear at all? Are you? No, you don't think they're, I've been, I've been in the one spot in the water. The shark super highway and fuck a rava in Tahiti. The only other person that was out there was James Cameron in a boat. Yeah. And it's just like you go and you do a drift dive. When people go to a church and you have a home in Texas where I live and I was raised and I love and it's my home and I love being there. And we banned the hunting of the deer. Well, do you know what happens now? You're hunted by the deer. There's lots of deer. Is there not something to be said for balance? Yeah, but balance right now it's going to take like about 25 years of not killing sharks to get it even close to rebounding. If you stop fishing the sharks and shark bites go up to a hundred a year and fatalities go up

is that okay with you? Well, yeah. So your position is more dead people, less dead sharks. Well, of course, but I don't believe that's going to happen. I think that what's going to happen is with more sharks in the water, the oceans are going to be healthier. They've shown that reefs, when you put sharks in balance, the wolves believe are fine. Well, if you've been underwater with them and seen the dying reefs, we also have pools.

Right. But you would you, what have we said? If sharks be in pools. What have we said Banger pool filter and you let all like well my my house manager. My pool got a very big algae bloom because my house manager did not tend to it and she was potentially I don't know eating right and I had to have them come in and they put a bunch of chemicals in and within 48 hours it's fine. Right.

So why are we not dumping chemicals in the ocean to kill algae? We are dumping chemicals in the ocean, make no mistake about it, it just has nothing to do with algae. Interesting. Yeah. Like, think about the ocean as your pool and think about that house manager as a shark. If the sharks are, you know what I mean? If you had a better house manager that was more of a shark, unless of what would do a walrus, I don't know, a seal that would be nice.

You said it. Just saying lie around. I didn't say it. I'm not getting to do it. I'm sorry. I don't know your house manager. I'm not getting to. I'm sorry.

If you had less of a, like more of a shark, less of a seal, I guess you can say seal. Yeah, I was disappointed with her behavior, but you know, I didn't bite her. I'm just saying this, there is a reflexive position that most people have right now. It's this reactionary position where they're always defending sharks and they're always looking to, you know, attack human beings. And it's like, well, you were in the ocean. It's your fault. Well, I think that's wrong. I think everyone with have one without the other. I think that's crazy. I mean, I'm not trying to, listen, I understand that the fishermen in Alabama

are being told, this is great. You have the scientists in Illinois going, there's no problem, go fish them, everything sustainable. So when you're told that by, it's like the milgram experiments, when the person says you can shock, which I recreated for discovery, and we saw like when someone says, oh, they told me to do it.

When the scientists are there and they can donate, people believe the scientists, because why wouldn't you? They're reputable scientists. They're not like Shady. They're of course. These are top scientists that are going, populations are fine. I don't know where their money's coming from. That's a question. Yeah. But the problem is people go crazy. Next thing you know, they're ripping babies out of pregnant tiger sharks and making TikToks. But they're doing it because they're like, it's for science guys and they're like,

ha, ha, they hung a bull shark from the American flag. Now, if you're a veteran, is that what you want? Like endangered sharks hanging from a flag in Alabama and everyone going, woo, woo, like something's wrong. That's not okay. So when I see the environment, I was going like, why are we doing that? You can't eat it. It's completely useless. So what is it? And, it's going like, why are we doing that? You can't eat it. It's completely useless.

So what are the, and now we're going to get the Alchemy. They throw them out. They all got thrown out. And in fact, in New York, they have the block island. There's shark fishing tournaments. There were two of them. I think there's block island, star island fishing. They're now finding all the carcasses of the juvenile ones because you have to throw

back the underweight ones. So all like the kids sharks that they didn't bring in, that they didn't report, are all just rotting in the bottom of the ocean. The whole thing is, it's like, and then we criticize China, but we're the ones killing sharks at home. Why can't we clean up our own back?

Can we all have fulfilled lives without killing sharks? That's all I'm asking. Is this one thing that we can all do? And it's not gonna come from me. It's gotta come from the kids of the fisherman. Someone in Mississippi, someone in Alabama has to go, you know what dad, can you just not kill sharks? I know you love fishing, but we can't eat them,

and you just throw them back, and all you're doing is making TikToks with them. You're making TikToks with dead sharks. That's the only reason you're pulling them out of the water. We're getting prize money. Can you just not do that? Is that possible? Can we have fulfilled lives without dead sharks?

Well, you know, I certainly think that's an idea. And I see this bull shark here, that was hung from the American flag. And I do understand what you're saying, but I also understand that public safety is important when people are swimming in the ocean. And we have to realize that. Charter coming closer to the beaches now.

They're swimming in. They've always been there. Well, but is it, you know, this is, I think, an increasing danger to people and that people have to be very aware of these animals and they have to be very aware of you know the potential for them to be violent and deadly and like there is this thing where but that's like saying we shouldn't go into the one size there's bears vicious I'm against those people

People fetishized vicious animals and they think they're cute and cuddly. This happens all the time. There was that documentary that guy that hung out with bears and then guess what happened? Crazy man, he got eaten by a bear. They got eaten by a bear, okay? Now your friend Ocean Ranch stressing,

whatever name is Ocean Ramsey. Eventually, statistically, she's going to get ripped to shreds by one of these tiger sharks on YouTube reels or Instagram reels YouTube Sure, I don't want it to happen. I'm saying what she's doing is Incredibly dangerous and she's trolling of an apex predator so to me, I just think that They should be viewed as predators. They you said when a shark comes into contact with humans,

they go predator or prey. I think is it wrong that humans look at sharks as predators or prey, if that's how they size up us, is it wrong that that's how we are sizing up them? We are not on either of their food chain. They're not on our food chain and we're not on their menu. They just, they don't know. Like, they take a bite and they don't, we're like, too bony and fleshy.

Like when you see a tiny little bird or a sparrow, you're not like, oh, let me take a bite. It's like, hmm, right. Maybe it was a big roast chicken. The Americans are getting fatter. They are. Americans are now resembling marine life. It's true. In a, in a, in a, in a alarming rate.

Many Americans are indistinguishable from sea lions in the water. This is very true. In a alarming rate. In a alarming rate. Many Americans are indistinguishable from sea lions in the water. This is very true. This is a fact. Sharks will stop seeing Americans as bony and fleshing and start seeing them as what they are. Kind of large marine animals that will provide sustenance for a shark.

But the idea, okay, so let's say you win and we now eliminate all sharks. I don't want to eliminate all sharks. I've suggested electric fences. I've suggested poisoning some, the ones that are bad. I've suggested clubbing seals because the seals on the beach are the reason that we have more sharks now. You talking about algae blooms.

The reason that we have more sharks is because we have more seals. You used to be able to club a seal on the beach. They banned that. They got rid of seal clubbing. Used to be able to go and you would go, boom, you're done. You wouldn't always kill it, but you would just go, boom. And then they would know, oh, this isn't fun. And then they would leave.

And then the shark, because we have more seals now than ever. And in Massachusetts, they're saying this, and these shark conservation freaks come out and go, don't worry about it, it's okay. And they have to remind them they go the job of this is public safety. It's not to protect sharks, it's to protect people. We have a constitution.

Now, when you were able to remove the seals, but now you can't remove the seals, you can't touch the seals, can't make the seals a cup. So then sharks eat the seals, it makes it unsafe for everybody. The beach is getting closed all the time. And you have to understand that the parents who lost their child in the water in Massachusetts who is surfing have a right to be angry at the sharks. Like so many people are running online businesses right now, but they really don't know what to do. And here's what because it's the back office

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I've had enough of the whole audience I know everyone's spiritual over there and then you go over there Everyone's 600 pounds and on meth what happened to the spirituality by the way you leave the resort Okay, leave the four seasons in Maui the spirituality because at the window because there's a gun in your mouth and they're taking your luggage Okay, so I've had enough for the how about more rain dances and less gun in the mouth So but that person dies and their spirit goes into a shark So wouldn't you want that person to put the gun in your mouth to be inside a shark? Yeah, I've had a Shark's idea that like Hawaii some great spiritual place and it's just tourists getting knives to their throats. Um, listen, I understand what you're saying, but you have to understand what I'm saying.

If I own a house in South Hampton or Malibu or Palm Beach, I should be able to float in the water without thinking of Shife paid enough money to so that these sharks should know this guy should not be touched. And in fairness, I haven't had a problem in those three places and I've been in the water a lot. That's what I'm saying is that none of us, you know, 99.9% of us will never have a shark encounter. We're not supposed to, but I think we need, you need to have healthy respect for them,

but I think that we need to protect you. You would win a shark versus a polar bear. Oh, that's a good, probably a shark. Interesting. Yeah, sharks are ambush predators. Right. You wouldn't even know the shark is gonna get you. You'd be floating and then you're either gonna live

or you're not. They move, they'll take off like a rocket and just bite you. But this is what I'm saying. It's just, it's weird to me. Like, why do we see, when we see people that live with very, you know, they adopt these animals, right? You see a when we see people that live with very, you know, they adopt these animals, right? You see a guy living with a tiger.

You go, that guy's nuts. But when we see these people going into the water and touching sharks or giving sharks cute nicknames, does this not raise, is this not a red flag? To me, it's a symptom that it's just a reaction to what has been presented out there before. If everyone had just been like sharks are important, we need them, leave them alone, stay out of the way. Don't swim at night. Don't like these are the times when sharks are feeding.

We have people can spot them from drones going, okay, there's a shark here, you guys watch out. Like if we had a healthy respect for them, the way that a lot of the surfing community Um, then I think we wouldn't have to have such a training. You know, Jonay Hill used the word surfing community. Jonay Hill used those words surfing community. They were discussing that and they're discussing now. Those two words to me are vile. Uh, because there are surfers, I think, with many different views, but I get it.

I get it. Respect the oceans. Respect the sharks. Blah, blah, blah, blah. We make it to a point where pools are the new oceans. It might happen. It might get to that point where literally, here's the thing, whatever we say in this room, people are going to keep killing sharks because as long as you're making money from doing it, I don't make a dollar from it.

We don't. Nor do I. Nor do I get any money from this. But that's why FedEx is still shipping sharks. GNC is still selling shark products, but people can go to the good what about the shark oil? What is that terrible? We tested it in the lab in the documentary. Actually, what does it do for you? Nothing. It causes inflammation. It was started by a guy who wrote a book called Sharks Don't Get Cancer, which is a lie. Sharks do get cancer. And then two weeks later, he started a shark cartilage pill thing because he's like, well,

they're killing all the fins and taking the oil anyways. So it's famous Google image shark fin soup. Let's because let's see because you I try it. I tried it in the movie. I ate it. And it's not good. And they have a gelatin version. That's identical. And I went to China. And I love clam chowder. I love clam chowder. So are you going to go on a crusade next to protect the clams? No, I'm not going to save the clams. I will. I will eat clams. Well, people, what about tuna that are, don't you think tuna are going,

hey man, cause the vegans are gonna say, well, Eli Roth seems to really love sharks. And maybe it's cause they're stars, sharks are stars. Yeah. So they get a lot of attention. So if you make a documentary about tuna, no one cares. But you know, I would, I heard some things about tuna. While I was making this, someone told me that there's a certain corporation that is trying

to kill every tuna in the ocean and freeze it in stock pilots so they can own it. They can own tuna. They can own tuna. They can own tuna. They can. You'll have to literally get it from the paper. But have you ever gotten the criticism from vegans that you're not going far enough all the time, all the time?

I mean, when you're going to do this. What is your response to that? Why pick sharks? Why not salmon? Why not tuna? What about octopus? I was at Avra the other night in Beverly Hills and the manager there who treated me very nicely

and I will be returning, although I was trying to eat healthy and they sent me 19 desserts for free. That wasn't great, but I do like the restaurant. They sent me free, on the house they sent me an octopus, like an appetizer. Yeah.

And don't they have a movie where my octopus friend, right? And isn't that some freak that's friends with an octopus? Once you see it, it's like, it's too upsetting. Like I had a pet pig. I can't eat pork anymore. Once you know, I, you know, first of all, you can, you can eat bacon, you can be pork, it's phenomenal. The reality of the situation is most of America,

I'm sorry, not America, I'll be saying, I'm most of America. Most of the world is starving. It may not be most, but a lot of them are starving. It's true. And a lot of them would eat anything they could get. I know. And this idea that we are sitting at the top of the food chain

in this incredibly privileged country, lecturing people, like the Chinese, a lot of them have to eat dogs. That's what it is. They're poor. And you know what? They're eating dogs. And I've always supported their right to do that, even when people get mad at me because people are poor.

And if I was in a poor city in America and someone was eating a dog, I would not yell at them. If I was in, I don't wanna say a city name, but let's just say, uh, 11-tonalong island. And a family was eating a dog because that's all they had, I'd go, hey, I get, like, don't you see that to people around the world,

it seems so privileged to sit on this perch and be high in mighty and say, oh, this guy is the luxury of worrying about fish. Like, for example, when you go on the safari in Africa, you know, there are people that get offended by, you know, the hunting there, you know, what happens. But a lot of people will tell you that game hunting actually supports the environment. Yes. Because it actually allows investment in areas that badly need it.

It promotes the necessity to have the species propagated so it doesn't go extinct. And a lot of those animals are going into villages and eating people. And so it's funny to me, when it's like somebody like you are ocean rams on your yachts in the ocean, and you're having little tea parties with the sharks

because you're the elites, but then there's other people that are getting eaten by sharks. And I'm worried about those people. Well, I was very careful about that, Tim. And that's one of the reasons that over the course of the movie, I go to everyone in the country with sort of no agenda. I don't lecture anyone.

I go out with the shark fisherman and I try to understand why they're doing it, how they're doing it, how they can feed. Because what I've seen is that in the Bahamas, one shark dead is basically sells for about $30. One shark alive can bring in $250,000 in shark tourism and dive tourism. So there's actually a gold mine.

So for there's actually more money keeping the sharks a lot much more money. It's like this. So I worked with a woman named Reggie Domingo. We go to the fisherman and there's two beaches one called Cabo Pomo, one called Los Freilas and in Los Freilas in Mexico and Baja California. So you're always out of the country. Oh, well, I go on a little odd. You're constantly on of the country. Oh, well, I go on a little odd, you're constantly on the country, but look, I sat down with beaches here in America,

where you grew up. How about you visit that? I did. And I went to the shark tournament in Massachusetts, a newbury port. It's crazy. So I talked to everybody. And I don't come in. I don't, I know how they see me. I know they're going to see me as privileged in the Somhollywood director. I was like, let me just go and just turn the camera and let them say their side of the story because I think that you can't tell people what to do.

I think you can only lay out the facts and go, is there a better solution than this? Can we just stop doing this? What would the benefits be? And the answer really is you look at Shark Girl Madison, she's helping in Indonesia, the dive tourism, help the fishermen, we should be helping the fishermen turn their businesses into dive tourism because we have fishermen. We should be helping the fishermen turn their businesses

into dive tourism, because we have literally two beaches side by side. One has tourism, they're all thriving, and one is killing sharks, and it's everything's dying. So my feeling was like, I know I'm gonna be mocked, I know everyone's gonna go at me. I sat down with the shark traders in China. They'd never gone on camera before,

and I was like, I just need to understand. They're like, and the guy said the same thing, he goes, do you know what we eat in China? Do you know all the pigs? We go, they go to China. We eat everything. People are, and I listened and I, on camera, starving. And I hear them. And it's a great point. And I go, I understand that, guys, but it's a, it's a salient point that we're going to be out of sharks in 10 years. Anyways, if we don't stop now, they're not going to be able to be popular. I'm just saying that I think we in the western world and the first world

have a privilege. And we don't realize that food is really to many people around the world of luxury. And like if you're a young person that is not hungry, I'm sorry, that is hungry, and you're in one of these countries, and you're like, you're working hard at school all day, and you're waiting for that bowl of shark fin soup when you get home, and you go, I work hard all day at school, and then you're driving a rickshaw, literal rickshaw, through the mountains with your panda friend, and you're going uphill, send up and down the hills,

and then you get to this lovely little rustic little Chinese kind of like bamboo. It's very, it's kind of well-appointed. And you and your panda friend get out. And mom goes, hey, and here's the shark fin soup. That's someone's culture. So to me, what you're suggesting is like someone goes, oh, I have a culture, but it doesn't matter because you want them instead of that to go through McDonald's, get 15 cheeseburgers and like, you know, like start, like, I don't know, vaping by the mall, but they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we have a culture too. And it's eating this soup.

I asked them about that. It actually started in the 1960s. There was a story that one of the emperors in the year 800 said, I want to eat a shark because that's the strongest animal and I want to be stronger than that. So then in the 1960s, the restaurants, the hotels were like, well, what if we served it as a gimmick? And just to get people to stay here and have their weddings here. And then in 2000, trying to really start getting money, or 90s took off, it became a really

expensive item. But the problem with the soup is that nobody likes it because it tastes like nothing. It's actually fishing wire. So they have to put chicken stock and pork stock and they have to scrub it with bleach. Now the bleach they scrub it with is the same stuff you clean your toilet with. It has neurotoxins. The bleach does not come out. They have to scrub it, bleach it, dehydrate it, rehydrate.

And it only just feels like if you bit your fingernail, that's exactly what it tastes like. So fairness. So, so I'm describing 85% of American fast food as well. There's plastic in the yoga mats at subway. I know. I'm sorry. In the foot. There's yoga mat plastic in the bread.

I don't know if you there's yoga mat plastic in the bread. I don't know. You do so. Yeah. The yoga mats. But yoga that's so great. You but you know what I mean? Like like you're making good points, but then they will turn around and they will go. You're serving people plastic.

They can. They can say it. But there's a thing the young generation in China, I asked them I go what what they don't want it at their wedding. It's the parents are doing it to show off. And I said, well, you know, to be honest with you, I don't listen to the younger generation because they don't believe in tradition, they don't believe in values. There are many of them have been raised on the internet.

They're sick. And if you're going to have a shark fin soup, a traditional shark fin soup at the wedding, and you know, if you're having food that has actually no flavor and causes impotence in brain damage, which it does with the neurotoxins in the fin and to even get it to taste like anything, you have to flavor it with either. But it's delicacy. And it is a flex. It's a flex, but they, but what we realize, the only baby job, it's not 50.

But we realize if you have an expensive bowl of mushroom super lobster soup, people are just as happy and we talk to the young people and trying to are over this are over it. And the older people are just like, well, we just want to show off, give something expensive and treat our guests well. So a lot of people destroy every tradition that's ever existed on the planet. Like this is a fake tradition. It's it was a marketing gimmick. It was never a tradition. It's not like, oh, by the way, the Pharaoh Islands, you know, they killed a hundred and sixty five. Have you ever set down with one of these fishermen and have they really opened your mind? You know, when you sit down with a fisherman like a, yeah, a, a, a, a, a hearty kind of

old salt from Massachusetts, who's like, you know, the sharks must be. Yeah, but really though, has any, has anybody open your mind to the necessity of this? Is there? Do you see any of the arguments from the other side at all? The only thing I can see is that in a place like Indonesia, they're starving and eating shark because there's a lack of protein. That's a serious issue because Indonesia, but what I've seen mainly is that it's like the mafia is very involved in Spain.

There's a huge, Spain is the number one exporter of fins. It's a completely useless trade. There's not a single person where I sat down. I was like, and that's why you see me in the documentary and I go crazy, I'm like, but I don't understand it. Like the soup has no flavor. It has neurotoxins, none of the health stuff. Like what is it?

And then it's like, oh, everyone's just making money from killing them. So why stop it? That's really the answer. Well, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, it's certainly you have an opinion and I think that it's valid and I think you've done research into it.

And I think that like, is there not a happy medium? Oh, can we not meet in the middle? What is the middle though? The middle would be viewing sharks as violent predators. Yes. Protecting ourselves against them. By means of... Well, I don't know, but,

but you've been in the water your whole life. You've never even seen one. A sand shark once swam into me and was discussed. Don't you think that's racist? I mean, swam away. Don't you think that's racist? Isn't that the definition of racism? You've heard things about it. You've actually no experience whatsoever with sharks.

None. Everything is from what someone has told you and what you've read in the news. You've never experienced one. You've been in the water your whole life and yet you still believe this. That's how strong the media is. Don't you see the brainwashing that's been the last 40 years?

That's what the fishing industry wants. They like us to be terrified and angry and petrified of them. Instead of saying going, we need them, respect them, protect them, but let's figure out a way like in South Africa. I'm only, I'm only, sometimes on a plane, if I have nothing to do and I have the Wi-Fi, I will watch shark attacks, like a lot of people, and be shark attacks. Or you will watch plane crashes, which actually create myronic and fun to do in a plane.

But I'll watch shark attacks because I wanna know what's going on and I wanna know what I'm up against. And this idea that sharks Eli are not violent when they are apex predators is crazy. But that's not my position. My position is please don't kill them. We need them.

Okay, but also how about please don't kill us two sharks. Well, there's a lot of other things you want to start. That guy and Egypt. Why is the tiger shark eating him? I don't know. You don't know why that. You have to ask the tiger shark, but the tiger sharks, it's a tragedy. It's a tragedy.

People are going to die. Like, we can't protect. We can't childproof the world. We can't, you know, what about a gate? No, I'm literally saying what about if they tried people tried it. It doesn't work. Why? Because you can't build it in the ocean. The ocean moves. You can't like build something that sits in the ocean that keeps sharks out. What do you have drones that watch the sharks? Yeah. And can we send threatening things down? Like not just not just we just there's a horn. They do shark spotters. They just there's a shark. People move out five minutes late shark passes.

Most of the time the sharks are there swimming with us. And that's what really we never know it because they don't want they're afraid of interaction. I'm telling you, they only go after things. They know they're gonna eat. They don't eat that off in their pelagic. They wander the globe. Eating the sick and dying fish.

That's what they want. And so when we're splashing around, that's mimicking the like when a fish is injured, it's splashing. Well, I don't like splashing. I don't do it a lot anyway, because it's very, it's kind of like low rent behavior in the Asian country. Right.

Well, you know, when you have to float kind of like, you know, like you just kind of like just be quiet. I don't like a lot of splashing. I don't like a lot of loud music on the beach. I don't like a lot of fast food, you know, like a certain type of beach. I like a couple of women in white linens for a quiet women don't go in the ocean.

It's a little gross. And the men will go into the children or the housekeeper will bring the children in but the women sit there little white linen on the beach reading a novel. So there's certain type of beaches that I don't go to. I mean, in God forbid, and God help us.

We know a lot of what's going on in the beaches right now. It's crazy. But I'm just saying, you know, I've always been a person who believes that human beings are a special and unique thing. I know that about you. No, I believe that. And would you ban smoking? I mean, you're an advocate of smoking. Well, not always, but I think there's times when a cigarette will make a situation more livable. But no, I wouldn't ban smoking. What I would say to people is, you know, I believe human beings are special and unique, and I believe they have dominion over the animals and the beasts.

A lot of people do. And I don't even believe that necessarily in a theological Christian way, I believe in it, in a, we are smarter than them. We are sharper. And we have been able to do things like make things like drive-throughs and nuclear weapons and all inclusive resorts and things

that people may not like, but they're nice. Did you know that great white sharks speak with mouth gaping? They do this little like his little jaw movements and move their fins. And is that speaking? That's how they communicate. And will they say? Well, they go down and the bottom they decide who's going to go up to breach.

They have an order. They discuss it amongst themselves. You'll never see two sharks breach on a seal. Now can you speak in mouth gaping and fin movements? No, but a lot of people I grew up with can. Gross. A lot of those people decide through mouth gaping and fin movements who's gonna talk to what girl

and who's gonna get what car. Exactly. So there's a lot of human beings that behave in a certain way. I'm just saying, here's what I say, and this is maybe the, the, the resolution. Let's all just lighten up, right? I agree. Because you're making these very depressing things about, oh, there's all the killing in the shark.

Let's lighten up. The Spanish mafia. Let's, let's, let's all have some wine and relax. Let's not go here and tell everyone how to live. That's where the only problem you let I go. Let's not, am I out there killing a shark with a knife? No, but I'm very much, let's live and let live. Let's let people around the world do the things they want.

And if it's your culture to have the shark fin soup at the wedding, I don't know if it's my job as a Western American to tell you how to live. I believe that we all share a planet. But the sharks are pelagic. They roam the globe. So they're taking your sharks out of your way. It's like, it's a problem that affects all of us.

I don't want to tell anyone how to live. I know no one's going to listen to me. But when I see them making the TikToks with the 25 dead babies in my gut, I have to say something. That's tasteless. And they're hanging it from an American flag. That's taste. That's what I said. I was like, what are we doing?

No, that's wrong. And then I heard Rado's paying for it. He's too embarrassing. He's too embarrassing. And everyone's like, I heard Rado, I have my issues with two. And they're celebrating it. And so how can I not say something? It's just like, I agree with you in that case.

That's your favorite animal is a shark pretty much. Let's be honest it is. I love dogs too, but yeah, shark. What's your second favorite? Well, sharks and dogs. Sharks and dogs. Is that the next documentary that people eating dogs in China? Oh no, the next documentary is going to be something far more sick that I can't even talk about

because that's another. Before we let you go, am I the greatest actor that's ever lived? Well, I can't speak in specifics, but I will say you are a brilliant actor. And I say, and I say this a lot. I think I'm better than Leo or Clooney, and if I did the roles they did,

the movies would be better, because it would be less about sex, enough with the sex all the time, because people can't focus on the movie, everybody's as sexual. I mean, we're not promoting something specific, do we have a remote? Why is Tiffany Chalamane everything

when I can also do it for a fraction of the cause? I think if you change your name to Timothy Dillermay or something, but it's just he said all the time he's befuddled and confused. Let me in and I'm more direct and it hits a little harder. Can I tell you something in my opinion? If I was to call me by your name, you know how homophobic people would be? You should be Willy Wonka. That would be the kid.

I mean, I'm just this whole Willy Wonka. Where the kids control the kids just getting stuck. Like if you, by the way, we made Willy Wonka. Let the sharks on that set and eat them all. I mean, that's just you just, it's sad for me to see a lot of these franchises, things I grew up with being destroyed for whatever reason, or you know, reinvented in ways that I can't co-sign. And, and and but I do

appreciate you coming on. I do appreciate this. I know that you've swayed me a little bit here where I do understand now where you're coming from with the algae. The algae is bad. Look up Google algae bloom venture county. That's not why I don't care about ventricating, but I do like but it's so but it's so malable. But these beaches were closed this summer because they're like out of control acidic algae. I don't like that. And I do. And that's because we're killing all the sharks.

And they can kill them in Alabama. And it's going to affect the sharks in California. Like the sharks move around. They don't just sit in one state. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, can we just as a practice? Is there a way to make them live on land? Like, is there any way that they could live on land? I looked into it. I used to want to have a date. Right. But could they, they, I mean,

it's like, it's like the dolphins. I mean, it's, it's like the, the orcas. You can't, you can. Part of the problem with them is that they're in the water all the time and no one really, like it's not, you're not interact, like if they were on land a little bit, we're not supposed to see them. They don't have faces. They don't have emotions. So people are like the only time you see it is when there's a bite. What are they going to do?

What are they going to do? What are they going to do? They have faces. Why don't they have faces? Well, they've evolved that way. They were here before. They are our last dinosaurs. I know there's some dinosaurs in the movie industry, but these are real dinosaurs for

real. And we're wiping them out. They should. No, there were five mass extinctions. We're currently in the six. They will not survive this. Now at the rate we're killing, we're ahead. It's for hedges keep saying that Chris hedges it were in the sixth mass. We are. How do we black? What does that mean? Well, we're killing everything, which we know, but like the bug. I mean, pick your cause. There are people that talk about the bugs that the bugs are dying.

If you like, oh, no, here we got more bugs, but that's great. But the sharks are, the sharks are not going to make it. We're killing them too fast. And there's too much against them. And it is certain. But do you know how buggy it is when you go certain places? It's very buggy. So what are we doing?

I don't know. Well, we all want to live in the Brazilian Amazon. So we all want to live in, in bug tents in the Brazilian Amazon. I'm sorry about civilization. I'm sorry about Western civilization. I'm sorry this Russo I'm sorry about Western civilization. I'm sorry this Rousseauian, you know, the Third World thing we're all doing.

I know it's kind of fun to do in silver like with your hat, but the reality is, civilization is actually a great accomplishment of humanity. It is. And animals have their own thing, but we got to figure out a way to kind of deal with it and they got to deal with us. Well, I think that anytime you take a position defending something, you're thrown in the category of crazy extremists. Right. And all I'm saying is, can we all live happy

and fulfilled lives without rewarding for killing sharks? And everyone says, well, it's just a few sharks in Alabama, but it sends the message to children that these are prizes that this is fun and that this is a whole culture. Well, that list of I'm doing. I'm just saying, can we not do that? Fish for food. But the kill go beach guy didn't kill any sharks. Right. He didn't.

But you know, again, Long Island for the win. He's not out there killing sharks. He's not going to kill anymore from jail. Where do people want to, because everyone's going to agree with you when, because my fans are soft. So when they see this, they're going to you, you've made a lot of sense and you've come in here with statistics and biology and all this crap. And people are going to say that I am throwing out kind of superstition and fear. But I think both of those things have a tremendous value. Um, by making a living off of fear. Well, that's right.

I appreciate it, Tim. I love it. But isn't that weird? Isn't that a little, and that's a great point to come maybe end on is like, don't you think it's a little hypocritical that you make people afraid for living like hostile? I'm afraid of Eastern Europe now for no reason. None. Eastern Europe's not like that, although it is a little, but like this thing, when you

made hostile, you're making a movie about people that are kidnapping and torturing and murdering people and it's a secret club of elites where they can visit this place and kill a person. So all before anyone knew anything about Epstein's eye. Yeah, well, it's all before we all knew that was kind of true. We all know that it was real. So you made us scared of these, these, these, these billionaires that wanted to cut people's eyes out, but you were right, but I was correct.

You were correct. It was on to something. So maybe these Peter Benchley is right. Or maybe I would correct with Finn that we got it, you know, now we got to do this for the sharks. But I also thought it was kind of perfect because if you, if you're an environmentalist, you're going to get a certain crowd. But if I make horror movies, people know maybe I'll give it a chance, maybe I'll listen

to what he has to say. Right. And they don't have to agree. Sharks are going to get killed no matter what we do. But at least I'm the, I'll be the crazy extremist that puts out the idea and maybe moves the, you know, the over to the window a little. So when you hear it again next year, they're like, it wasn't you like talking about this. But I have a friend who does like think he's going to get eaten by a shark all the time.

And I do want to say to this person, nothing special will ever happen to you. Nothing good or bad will ever happen to you. So don't worry about it. Like my friends, well, there was a two of an all white shark and it happened to be. You will never make the news for anything. Not for one thing, nothing. No one will ever care about you at all. So tell people where they can see this documentary where they can support your effort.

Thank you. I mean, Finn, it's on HBO Max or Discovery Plus. It's called Finn and you can go on my Instagram page or actually a great page is Shark Allies. It's a really good one. But I would say watch Finn on HBO Max and look at my Instagram and I tag everybody. It's a really good one. But I would say watch, watch Finn on HBO Max and look at my Instagram and I tag everybody in this good place.

And if you want my point of view, watch Guy in Egypt eaten by shark. That's on YouTube. You can find it on TikTok. They keep banning it, but it keeps popping up. You can watch that. That's my argument in a nutshell. In a few minutes, a guy yelling,

daddy, as the sharks eat him, timdillacommonies.com, American royalty tour on sale. Now, and let's hope you have a resolution here. Are you optimistic? This is going to be resolved soon. I think everybody wants it resolved. And I think all parties are. And I think that, you know, the timdillinization of Hollywood needs to start very soon. the reality is, I want to, I won't really want to be able to come back here

and talk about your work because I think you are, you know, I think you're something special. And I can't wait for the world to go. It's very nice of you. And I will say that in the reality, there are a lot of people hurting. It's been a tough time. Yeah. There's a lot of people that drive cleaning businesses the dry cleaning businesses, all the side businesses,

the restaurant, it's so painful. It's fucking tough, right? There's restaurant workers that are saying like nobody's eating out, nobody's doing lunches and stuff anymore. And it's like, it is an economy, it is fun to shit on Hollywood because it's worth shitting on. But like there is an economy of people that you don't see that are really affected by this. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's not just a CEO's. We all feel bad for

that because the names of being dragged through the mud. And so we all feel bad for Zazlov or Sarando. It's like, obviously, the first thought we have is like, are they okay? Yeah. Well, they can't, they can't even use their names at restaurants. I know it's tough. It's hard because they can't, but the reality is they can. They can. And but that's our first thought. But then also much further down the line, people that may not be as sympathetic, like restaurant workers or unemployed writers still should get a little bit of our sympathy, I think. You know, I think a tiny bit of it should be reserved for people that are like, I've missed a mortgage payment. But still the vast majority of it should be reserved for people that are like, I've missed a mortgage payment,

but still the vast majority of it should be two people that are being yelled at during college commencement speeches. It is very embarrassing. I thought it's very funny if Zazoff, and again, you're taking out a gun instead of shooting wildly into the ground. I mean, it's just funny, but no one has any fun anymore. Eli Roth, support everything he does, save the sharks, blah, blah, blah. We'll see everybody on patreon.com. Thank you. Bye. support everything he does, save the sharks, blah, blah, blah. We'll see everybody on patreon.com. Thank you. Bye.