The Tim Dillon Show - 360 - Bobby & Cheryl

Episode Date: September 9, 2023

Tim sits down with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and actress Cheryl Hines about his presidential candidacy, the genesis of the Ukraine Russia war, national parks and how his wife is handling all this. American Royalty Tour 🎟 https://www.timdilloncomedy.com/ Pre-Order ‘Death By Boomers’ By Tim Dillon 👉 https://rb.gy/gafn4 SPONSORS: Express VPN EXPRESSVPN.com/TimDillon DraftKings Get DraftKings App & Use Code 'TIMDILLON' Nutrafol: Head to Nutrafol.com/men & Use Promo Code TIM. Bespoke Post BoxOfAwesome.com & Use Code 'timdillon' Blue Chew: BlueChew.com & Use Code: 'TD' ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wo... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timjdillon/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/TimJDillon Listen on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/2gRd1wo... #TheTimDillonShow Merch:  https://store.timdilloncomedy.com/ For every $400,000 we gross in revenue, we are donating five dollars to end homelessness in Los Angeles. We are challenging other creators to do the same. #TimGivesBack

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon show. Very excited to have RFK Jr. on today. He's running for president and his wife, Cheryl Hines. 30 minutes into the podcast, we did have a weird blackout in the studio. It's never happened before. I've been podcasting about seven years. This has never happened. It was strange.

It happened in the middle of the episode. We lost about 15 good minutes. And then we got back to it. But as you know, you know, it kind of broke the, you know, we had a groove going and it was fun. We had a dynamic and it was cool. And when the lights went off, I think he thought someone was trying to kill him. And, you know,

because it's again, it's the family history. Um, but, you know, he's a really conscientious guy, but you know, when those lights went down, he was like, oh, like he, they were, you know, it got strange. So he's a great guy. I would love to see him, uh, you know, gain traction in this race because I think he could be an incredibly amazing president, you know, when you listen to the guy talk and his wife is lovely and amazing and talented as well. So they were great. But if there is a weirdness right in the middle of the episode, we do address it, but it stopped

and it started and when that happens to a podcast, unfortunately, it does kind of break the rhythm a little bit, but they were great sports about it. And there's some really great information in this episode. Thank you. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon show special episode today. RFK Cheryl Hines. Thank you guys for both coming.

I appreciate it. Fellow Californians coming here. I appreciate it. Fellow Californians coming here. I appreciate it. It's a you know, we get a lot of bad press as a state. Some of it is deserved. You've been living here. How long? 2014 I moved here. So nine years. And what do you think of it? Well, you know, I didn't want to move out. I moved out for love because I actually had, you know, I had a life and a profession in New York. Right. And, um, but Cheryl couldn't move it. And then none of my kids wanted to move. And then we got out here and now they all love it here. So, you know, I mean, there's, you can't beat California. For some of, I don't know if you lived

on the East Coast. I was a New Yorker. Yeah. It's one of the ways. Did you ever show up on East now? You know, I should have, but I didn't. And I usually, my mother or grandmother didn't. It was good for them. I hear the mons. Yeah. I mean, watched him through the wind. Yeah. I mean, but I have occasionally been, yeah, though, you can't beat the winters here, when they're nice, when they're mild. No, there's, it's so beautiful. And you have the ocean in the mountains and it has everything. Yeah, it is great. And we have, I think, where the fourth largest economy in the world behind, you know, it's like GDP, where the fifth, I mean,

it's in a massive engine of the American economy. Now, you're somebody who's been open about your struggles with drugs and alcohol and coming out of that. When you see, you know, the problem in California all over the country, but specifically because we all live here in California with people that are homeless that are addicted to drugs. How do you internalize that as somebody who's been through that, and you're looking at people and you have compassion,

but you also realize that it's becoming a massive problem. And every time now someone talks about California, they think about this issue, where you have people that are unable to live without, you know, being, you know, really, there's mental health crisis, hopelessly addicted to substances. Is there a way, can we do more? I mean, there has to be a way to do more. Well, I mean, there's two issues. One is addiction and the other is homelessness. And I don't think that they're necessarily connected.

My son, Connor, last night we were talking about this issue and he said, he pointed out that in West Virginia, that there's more drug addiction per capita, there's more poverty per capita and there's probably an equal amount of mental illness and yet there's no homelessness problem. And it has to do with the availability of housing. Right. So it's not, uh, homelessness and addiction do not have to go hand in hand. Right. If you solve the housing issue, and you know, one of the reasons in San Francisco, that they have this terrible problem is because they have zoning

laws that don't allow any identity housing. And, and, and, and um, and that that contributes to the problem. But I you know we we were in San Francisco, when we tried the Monsanto case, I was there almost for a year because each of those three trials were about three, you know, it required about you know two or three months of there. And I would go to Union Square every day to exercise. There was an equinox there. And I'd see the shops, and you had all of the great iconic American stores.

At Plus, you had Prada and Gucci and Taylor Goli, and then you had Gap and Old Navy and leave eyes and, you know, no more strums and looming dails and all of these. And it's like fifth app for people who don't know. Of course, there was there's a part of San Francisco that is like fifth avenue. And it is a shopping city. People tourists come all over the world. Shopping Union Square, the way they do in Fifth Avenue.

And today I went up there, I don't know if you've been up there recently, but I went up there a month ago. And every one of those stores is is boarded up. It's just acre after acre plywood. It's like if you shut down Fifth Avenue. I don't think people understand what the cataclysm that has struck that city. And the office space has a 65% vacancy, so it's a 35% occupancy rate. They built buildings five years ago for $330 million and they're now selling them for 100 million. And it's hard to see how that city recovery, even with really good leadership, you know, those, those, those, those kind of stores take a year to just, you know, to a runway on them. Right. I have to make commitments that are 10 or 20 years. So a lot of people say

those, your California's Democrat run state, very few Republicans. San Francisco, certainly, I don't think you have any Republicans, right? So there has to be like one or two. There's one or two Republicans, but they're San Francisco Republicans, right? So there's no way. So people are saying they're going to say, you're a Democrat, you're running for president. What is different about the way you would handle San Francisco and certain issues in Los Angeles, than what Democrats have done in this state? Well, you know, I mean, I have, I have ideas for how to handle those issues that people can go on our website. But I, you know, one of the, I think housing is a critical issue, right? And it's not

just critical for people in San Francisco. And our kids, kids, I, you know, I have, Cheryl and I have seven kids between 20 and 39. And, um, and when I was that age, I was already thinking of buying a house or how am I going to do it, et cetera, where do I want to live? And I don't know any of my kids, friends, who are even thinking that a lot of them are living with their parents. And the chance of them are living with their parents. And you know, they, the, the chance of them

actually buying a house is unless they do incredibly well their lives is very, very slim. And my kids are, you know, they, they have good jobs, they make money, but, um, but it's not enough to buy a house. And two years ago, you had, you had the average price of a house was $215,000. And even that was out of reach for a lot of in America. That was the average across the country. Okay. On the coast, it's much higher. Is the average. Today, it's 400,000. It's two years ago. And you're now paying, you know, you're back then you're paying maybe three percent interest. Now you're paying seven percent interest. The house is three or four or five times expensive. And there's no way. And then everybody has this experience of knowing somebody was about to buy a house. And then somebody comes

in just before they go into ask for a girl, somebody comes in with a cash offer and snatches out from onto them. And this is just now a ubiquitous experience. And what's happening is not only are we, aren't we, you know, suffering inflation from the constant wars, $8 trillion on war, $8 trillion that we didn't have on regime change wars since 2002. Or also, you have these three giant companies, BlackRock, States, Treatment, Vanguard, who own, who all own each other. You know, BlackRock has 10 trillion dollars under man.

These are all private equity companies. Yeah, the biggest companies in the world. And they are, they own, I think they own 88% of the S&P 500s, those three companies, they own 88% of the S&P 500s. So they already own everything. And now they've decided they're going to buy every single family home in America. So, um, they're on track now to control, to own the corporate control of the 60% of the single family home is in America within six years. So you're saying, so when somebody comes in with a cash offer, it's, it's usually from,

yeah, it's an LLC with some ambiguous name. A shell, shell corp, right? And if you, if you follow the, you know, the bread crumbs, it'll go back to black rock, it's very garg, stage street. And they want to own all of the, and you know, I mean, ironically, and I, you know, I don't want to feed into anybody's, but I don't know how to, well, I don't want to do that. It's a little over that, I think. Why do you think they tuned in? This is our final episode on YouTube, by the way. I feel like that is, I feel like it's playing with matches and a dynamite, you know,

shed with you in the room, but with the, uh, with Larry Fink, who's, uh, who is the CEO of BlackRock is also on the board of the world economic forum. Yes. Which, you know, their mantra is we're going to have this great reset. What does that mean? It means that, and these are their quotes, not mine. You will own nothing and you will be happy. You'll be happy, the famous art.

I mean, now they're doing, I talked about it last week in the show. They're running all these articles in Wall Street Journal where they go, it's now the trend and not have a dining room. You don't need a living room. All of these publications are coming out and they're going like, Americans are, they're happy with shrinking houses and less space and then they talk about like home builders

or trying to figure out ways to like, in a challenging real estate market, still be profitable. What they don't mention is like home builders are trying to figure out ways to like in a challenging real estate market still be profitable. What they don't mention is these home builders are not like mom and pop contractors. These are, you know, D H Horton. These are massive. Which are all my black, black, state, street, and red. So how does this take over of the of the American real estate market? How can this how is this preventable?

Well, you know, what what I would do immediately, there's a lot of things you can do. One is you can change the tax code to make it unprofitable because our kids are now competing against BlackRock. BlackRock has a bottomless bank book. It has the lowest interest rates on the planet of anybody and Our kids now have to compete against that company now. What's why their rates? So are they lending them self money? How does it work? Well, first of all they own all the banks They own all the credit card kind of days and that helps Just because they have a huge bank book the you know, they

There are safe loans. So there's zero risk and longing to black rock. And so the banks will give them the lowest possible rates. And our kids then have to compete, you know, our kids who have no credit rating, whoever, you know, a 600 credit rate or whatever it is, are paying not 7% but maybe 10% interest. Right. And they're competing against somebody that's that's getting 3% interest. It's not right and you know we have American dream in this country. The problem is as world war two your parents generation my parents generation if you worked hard if you played by the rules you could have one job not three and you can own a house you could take a summer vacation you could raise a family and you could, and you could put away money for retirement. That is just not even for anybody that is not just over now.

That's over. These kids are not gonna own homes, and if you don't own a home, you don't care about your community. You don't care about the schools, you don't care, you know, you're less vested. You're less vested. And so you're let you're not, you know, you're not doing the things that homeowners do to take care

of the investment in their community to make it a better place to live. So, and you also have no access to capital because, you know, if you are a homeowner and you want to start a small business and you want to start a small business and you want to take a risk, you've got a second mortgage on your home and you have some access to capital because you have an asset, you can go to the bank with and say, look, I know this may be stupid, but I'm going to start in our restaurant and I'm going to put up my home as collateral and I'm going to do it. So, but if you don't have a home,

you have no access to capital. That's a great point. You have somebody else, no way to tap the equity in your home. You know, you're cut off from that source of money. You also, I think, people that are not homeowners are subject to the rising rents all the time. You don't need to be told over it. No control.

And the ownership by these companies is driving up the cost of rents. 48% of people in this country who are renting have anxiety. And Cheryl and I talk about this all the time. You're living paycheck to paycheck in this country, you know, and, and, and 57% of Americans cannot put their hands on a thousand dollars if they have emergency. Right. paycheck, you are not that fewer than half of those people are making enough money to pay for basic human needs for food, transportation, and housing. If the end and Cheryl, you know, made this point to me about when she, you know, because she spent most of her life living paycheck to paycheck, right? He said the engine light would come on in her car and it's like the apocalypse. Yeah. You know, you don't have the money to pay the mechanic.

Right. You can't put your hands on that money and you know that car is not a tie. But you have to get to work. You can't get to work. What happens if you don't have a car, do you get to work? Yeah. And everything then starts spiraling to you end up on the street. Well, it's like, you know, I remember being broke, being a, a comedian and just

trying to make it and like, it's tough to, you know, opening bank accounts. It's hard. Yeah. You know, it's climbing out of poverty and the type of poverty that, you know, we're not talking about people that are momentarily broke. We're talking about in many cases, generational poverty. People aren't inheriting homes. They're not, you know, they feel locked out of the system.

In many ways, they are, their credit rating is tough. Maybe they, maybe they got busted for smoking weed or there's some, you know, criminal record that's preventing them from getting the job they want. The Democratic Party had always styled itself as kind of the defender of working people and the defender of economic justice. What happened? I mean, now I saw this day to the other day and I haven't traced it down to, you know, verify it. But I read the other day was that 70% of the wealth in this country is now controlled by Democrat versus 30% by independents and Republicans. And so and that the 10 of the nine of the 10 top

richest counties are now Democrat counties. So it used to be this is flip flop from where it was when I was a kid where the Republicans were with the rich with the oligarchs and the Democrats were working for working people. Right. And so it has flipped. And you're asking me, well, I don't know exactly. I saw I watched it happen. Let me just finish. Yeah, this is interesting.

Democratic counties represent 70% of US GDP, 2020 election shows. So that's the 2020 elections chaotic and marked by race is too close to call. Have nonetheless reaffirmed that, at least in Washington, the two parties now speak for marketly different segments of the US economy. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's very interesting. Yeah, because when you and I were growing up, the Democrats represented the poor and the's very interesting. Yeah. Because when you and I were growing up, the Democrats represented the poor and the mess. That's right.

Yeah. And the Republicans represented Wall Street and the oligarchy. But one of the things that I'm going to do, I'm going to immediately create a new class of mortgages that, you know, if you have a rich uncle, you can get a much lower mortgage rate. If he will, if he will coast on your loan, coast on your mortgage,

you can get it because the bank is looking at his bank book, rather than yours, and they're gonna give him a better rate because it's lower risk. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give everybody a rich uncle, which is gonna be Uncle Sam. And I'm gonna to get Uncle Sam to co-sign this new class of mortgages that people get for 3%. Only first time individual homeowners can get it. They have to live in that community and they have to work in that community.

And I'm going to give the first 500,000 a to teachers because we need to start supporting our teachers and allow them to live near the schools and work in those plays and with the way. And I'm going to finance those mortgages, not by increasing our debt, which we should not be doing. Rather, by selling 3% bonds that are tax-free. So the market will snap up those bonds and we'll be able to finance mortgages. So your kids. I will be paying a thousand dollars. It will take a thousand dollars a month off the typical mortgage. Right.

After mortgage and you can get now get a thousand dollars a month and you know, people thousands of, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I And we owned when I was a boy half the wealth on the face of the earth because of the American middle class. And now we're tearing it apart. And but it began by by giving it making sure everybody could get into a house after World War II with the GI Bill or with these other programs that allow every American to buy a house. And once you buy a house, you have access to capital. You can start a business if you're entrepreneurial and it release the, you know, these, what Franklin Roosevelt called America's industrial genius, you know, the inclination for innovation, for entrepreneurship, for, you know, for business development. You can't do that if the middle class does not have access to capital, which means if they have no equity, if they're living in a rental home, you cannot rebuild them.

You need to get them into their unhums. How do you stop the BlackRock Vanguard state street from cannibalizing the real estate that we have in America right now? Well, they're doing two with a farm real estate. And in fact, that's one of the reasons for the Ukraine war is that they, you know, we're loaning $140 billion dollars for to Ukraine. And they're paying it back by, you know, we force them to do this through austerity programs. And it's part of our contract where they have to put all the farmland in Ukraine up for sale. It's called the land market. They have to put all the farmland in Ukraine up for sale. It's called the land market. And BlackRock is over there buying, you know,

the corporations have snapped up 28% of this. The richest farmland in the world. I'm so stunned and shocked by that. It is so shy. Can you imagine that? What I mean? How do you, yeah, have to have these stocks. How do you stop that?

Yeah. You do it, you do it through the tax code. I mean, I believe in free market capitalism. Sure. I don't believe what we don't have, we don't have that now. What we have is corporate groaning capitalism and obli capitalism.

And you need to start enforcing the antitrust, which is one of the reasons that black rock is getting away with murder. You know, they own all these industries that they've consolidated. They've vertically integrated them. And they shouldn't be allowed to do that. I would tell them with this now in Cheryl's business and my business to a lesser degree, with the strike with SAG and the WJ because a lot of the streamers and the studios in Hollywood, it's also vertical integration, where you have that type of

cronyism, where you have all those kind of fixing prices and fixing costs of labor and stuff. And that is, kills capitalism. It kills competition. It kills the thing that we all know is responsible for some of the great innovations we enjoy and the standard of living that we used to have. So you're coming up because you, you had a lot of people during the last election cycle with Bernie Sanders that were saying they were giving up on capitalism that they felt

like, especially the younger generation, right? Younger people are identifying more with socialism than any other generation prior to them. Because I think they've looked at the rising inequality. They've looked at how corrupt everything feels. I would say one of the reasons for that is that they're looking at BlackRock and they're saying that's capitalism. Then we reject that. But that's not capitalism. That's just, you know, it's it's plutocracy. It's a, you know, it's a it's there's a corporate kleptocracy. That's what it is. It's monopoly. So you, you cap the amount of homes that that those well, what you do is you say, you know, you change the tax code. So

that they to penalize corporations, who own over certain number of homes that they, you know, you have to and you can do that in a million different ways. But, you know, that what we should be doing is we should be lifting the regulatory burden on small business. Right. And increasing it on these on large businesses across the board on environmental regulations on worker safety on all of the different issues. And you need to go easier on small business. Yeah, and I'm not saying, you know, let them abuse workers or poison the environment. And I'm saying most of the problems are coming from the top. Oh, yeah. And they get economies of scale. And so they get, you know, they get to buy the subsidized corn.

They are the ones who get the corn subsidies. They're the ones that from cradle to get grave. Everything they do is subsidized because they got the big lobbyist on Capitol Hill or you know, or writing the rules that favor these, you know, these monopolistic incumbents and punish the little guy in our country. And we got to dismantle that and do, you know, we and punish the little guy in our country, and we got to dismantle that. And do you know, we, listen, we lost, we lost our democracy once before,

and we lost it during the Guilded Age, and the 1880s and 1890s. And we lost, we lost free market capitalism too. You had straight out monopoly capitalism, the railroads, the sugar truss, cotton truss, the steel truss, all of them were, you know, these interlocking boards. Back then, you didn't have direct election of senators,

so the senators were chosen by the legislatures, and they owned those legislatures outright. And, you know, it was said about the Pennsylvania state legislature that none of them could be bought because John DeRockel owned them all and he wouldn't sell any. Right. And that's how it was with all the legislators in our country. They were owned by these big corporations. So they controlled the Senate.

They controlled the government. And you know, we had, you know, even though we're electing these senators directly, it feels like they're owned by the same corporate interests. Exactly. After the citizen United case in 2008, we're back where we were during the 1880s. And citizens united basically allowed money to be looked at as free speech. One of the things they did to break up, you know, they did a whole bunch of things in the early 1900s. You had corporate income tax come in for the first time, the 40-hour work week. You had, you know, unions basically legalized. You had women get the vote. You had a man's unchild labor. You had

You had a child labor. And then you had the Sherman antitrust act was passed in 1903. In 1908, they passed the law making it illegal for corporations to donate to federal political campaigns. And all of those reforms and then you had Daddy Roosevelt come in. You had these movements.

First of all, you had great journalism. And you had these muk-breaking journalists like Aida Tarbel and Sinclair Lewis. The person who wrote that thing about the meat factory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Often Sinclair. Often Sinclair.

Yeah. And we were exposing corporate corruption. And Maclure's magazine was, and I'd at Tarabelle did these, I exposes of the Standard Oil Company in John DeRocque of how every American was reading it, they were all pissed off. You had a populist movement in the countryside that popped up, there was democratic,

I progressed a movement in the cities that was Republican, but they all ended up getting together. They elected Teddy Roosevelt, they even in and bashed, you know, dismantled Standard Oil, which was the mother of all monopolies. And, you know, we got our democracy back. Right. And then, and exactly 100 years later, I think 2008, Citizens United cases pass is that, that rolling comes down from the Supreme Court. It throws out this 100 year law, this 100 year old law that had said you corporations can't give to the political process. And so we threw that out in the, you know, a corporate own Supreme Court throws that

out in 2008. And then or 2006, I forgot which, but then you had this just wall, the tsunami of money pouring in. And now, you know, the Democratic Party right now has two billion dollars. Well, how do you get two billion dollars is with Joe Biden sitting in the basement, calling, you know, billionaires and 100 millionaires, or someone calling on his behalf or calling on his behalf, right? And, you know, the Senate, you're not allowed to make those calls from the Senate office building, right? So the political parties have erected buildings right next to the Senate. And as soon as the senators vote, they go over these call centers and they sit on the telephone and they make two three hundred calls a day.

But if that's what you're doing, you have to get each one of those donors, you have to get $10,000 from them. And if you are doing that, you do not have time. If you need to raise 50 million to run for Senate from $10,000 to honors, you got no time to talk to the little guy. Oh, they're living in a bubble where the only people who matter to them are the people who can write a $10,000 check. And everybody else becomes invisible to them. And that's why to me, Donald Trump rolled across this country because all of these people in, you know, Pennsylvania and Ohio who are watching their lives deteriorate, their kids can't buy houses, their being, their wells are being poisoned, you know, their lives are upended and, and

they're, they're in this dad, this terrible dad, and they, and no, and living paycheck to paycheck, like Cheryl says, and nobody's listening to them. They feel like nobody is paying attention to them. Nobody is hearing them right now. The average income in this country, the average income is $5,000 less than the cost of basic human needs. So, you know, food, what is the average income in America? I don't know. I think it's around 34,000. 30, 35,000.

I believe it's around 34,000. And you're saying that that, is this true? Well, this is as of, this is me. 26,000. No, what is this saying here? 31. Okay, so that's tough. That you have been in order to live.

You need 36. Right. So what they're doing is Americans have a 5000 on average, average American is a $5,000 deficit every year. They're putting that on their credit card. The credit card companies are getting 22% and which if the mafia gave you that they would go out to jail for launch marketing. Right. But that is coming from, you know, Chase Man had and Wells Fargo and the worst culprits are Visa and Master's card.

Those are having these little cards when I was really brief. They sent you a card that has a $250 activation fee. So just activate the card. And the limit might be $300. So literally, I had one of these credit cards when I had no money. And you know, you go out to dinner because you're like, oh, I have a credit card now. And you know, you're not making

the best financial decisions, but then it doesn't work. And then you go, I have room on this. And they go, no, the activation fee is 250. Like, and then the interest you pay is so crazy. So that cycle of poverty is very hot. And who owns those companies? Who owns these? I'm going to take a guess and say black rock. And garden stage. So they're just, they're what they got like a big vacuum cleaner. Yeah. Like, so to black drugs, they're just, they're just dropped through Washington, like, lighting

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expire seven days after insurance eligibility and deposit restrictions supply. Okay, so we had a blackout folks in the middle of the episode, we lost a lot of stuff. We had no idea why that happens. Never happened, never here once that we've recorded. And you know, this is fun, so we lost a lot of stuff and we're back and we're going to go through it again, but it's a blackout in the studio and it's just fun. You've had fire alarms at your speeches, pulled in. Who knows?

Not sounding paranoid, not sounding paranoid black rock state street. Then guard, we don't know what happened. But we'll say this. We were in a great discussion about the Ukraine war because we spent eight trillion dollars on wars. We've spent all of these, all of these interventions that we had after 9-11, where all of these, the

architects of them, these neo-conservatives, after that, they were shut out of government, they kind of left, they were disgraced, and other popping up again, they're popping up again, as Democrats, and they are the main, a lot of them are some of the main promoters of the idea of this endless war in the Ukraine. Yeah. I mean, that's one of my, one of the things my uncle figured out when he, four months into his administration, you know, he had been warned by Eisenhower about the emergence of the military industrial complex, which would turn America into an imperial state abroad and a surveillance state, a garrison

state, a security state at home. And you know, Eisenhower said the thing that our founding fathers had said, you cannot maintain democracy. If you're an imperial state of broad, you're going to, you know, you'll bankrupt the middle class. You'll, you'll, you'll, you'll turn us into a surveillance day. My uncle form us in recognized that, you know, when he was lied to by the CIA by Alan Dulles Charles about all Richard Bisswell and by the military brass about the Bay of Pigs. And when the men were dying on the beach, you know, he took public blame for it, but he privately told his aides, I want

to take the CIA shattered into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. And then he fired Alan dollars Richard Bissol and Charles Cabell, the guys who are directly responsible for lying to him. But for the next thousand days of his administration, he was in a pitched battle to keep our country out of war. They wanted the wars because that was the he recognized that their job had devolved and to providing the military industrial complex, military contractors, a constant pipeline of new wars to feed their profits. Well, and, you know, the Neocons, which are Neoconserv conservatives for people who don't know, it's a movement that started in the early 1990s, around 92 when the Berlin Wall came down.

And they published a document that called the Project for New American Century that said that because we were the victor in the Cold War that America now had the the right to rule the world for a century or more at by using its superior military powers, the inner power. So after 2001, we spent between then and now we spent spent $8 trillion on wars, unresue him change wars. It was the rack war and then all these spillover wars in Yemen, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and as a matter of what do we get for those wars? Here's what we got.

Iraq and Iraq is now worse off than we found it. It's an incoherent battle between Xi' Shia and Sunni desk squads. We killed more rackeys than Saddam Hussein. We pushed, we killed between 650,000 a million rackeys. We have pushed Iraq into a proxy posture with Iran, which is exactly the foreign policy outcome we've been trying to avoid for decades. We in the spillover war in Syria, we created ISIS. We sent two million refugees into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe. You know, we created Brexit. Right. The riots that are now happening in France, are direct results of that, those wars. And we bankrupted the American middle class because we didn't have the

money to pay for them. So, and that is, you know, what we got. And then we're given these kind of comic book depictions each time, you know, whether it's Gaddafi, whether it's a Saddam, we're given this, this, this character of, you know, okay, there's a bad guy here and there's a good guy, we're the good guys, we're always the good guys. And here's a bad guy here and there's a good guy. We're the good guys. We're always the good guys and here's the bad guy. And it's a, it's a black and white debate. There is no question about it. If you side with the bad guy, if you ask questions about, you know, the action,

it means yours on the side of Putin or something. Right, right. And that whole game. So, the, the, what happened, I mean, the thing people should know about Ukraine war, we were told it's, you know, Putin wants to be the new Hitler. He wants to invade Europe and right, right. And, but when you look at what actually happened, it's much more complex than, and, and much more nuanced.

Putin actually step, vastly resisted going to war. He has said, and that Russians, not just Putin, but all the Russian leaderships had said since 1992, if you move the NATO to the east, you're going to provoke a final response. Russia has been invaded three times through Ukraine. Last time Hitler killed one out of every seven Russians. So they, you know, it's a national security priority for them. At Ukraine cannot be under the control of a hostile foreign power. They can't tolerate that. And all of our greatest diplomats, George Cannon, who is the architect of the containment policy after World War II,

have constantly reiterated that if you go into Ukraine with NATO, you're going to force Russians to have the violent response. Well, so here's what happened in 2014. We put $5 billion into the mid-on, into funding the mid-on rebellion, which is this, you know, uprising in Ukraine against the duly elected government of the Ukraine, which was neutral, and maybe leaned a little towards Russia, but we wanted them out, and we paid $5 billion to, in a series of demonstrations that ended in a coup d'état against that regime.

And the installation of a pro-American regime, Putin wants to settle things. Immediately the first thing that new pro-American regime did was it made it illegal to speak the Russian language in Dombaz and Lugans. And it, and then Russian political parties too, right? Yes. And when the, when Russian ethnic Russians, which are 90% of that population, when they began peaceful demonstrations, they were attacked violently, and ultimately, they started a civil war, 14,000 more killed.

The civil war really began in 2014. Russia tried to settle it. The people of those provinces voted to join the Russian Union. Right. And Putin said, no. So this is not consistent with the portrait of him. And then he said, we need a peace treaty that protects these people. I don't want to go in there, but we need a peace treaty. And he agreed he negotiated with France, Germany, England, and, and the, and Ukraine, on a peace treaty to organize a peace treaty called the Minsk Accords. That would have left Dombazaloo, God's part of Ukraine as a semi-autonomous region, able to speak their own language. And that would have permanently kept NATO out of Ukraine.

It was a reasonable settlement. Zelensky, who's a comedian and an actor, campaigns in 2019 and wins. He has no political experience, but he wins in a landslide. 70% of Ukraine didn't support him. Why he ran on one issue piece. He said, I'm going to sign the Minkske cords, and I'm going to get a ratified in the Ukrainian parliament.

Ukrainian people did not want to work in one piece. He gets in there and suddenly he pivots. Now why did he pivot? Nobody knows, but I think it's fair gas that he pivoted for two reasons. One is that ultra-nationalist in his gas that he pivoted for two reasons. One is that ultra naturalist in his government and he is off into battalion. Um, told him that they would kill him if he negotiated a piece with Russia and Neacons, particularly Victorian Newland in the US White House and State Department, told him the same thing that he could not sign a piece of course. So he abandoned it. Roger goes in, Putin goes in, but only with 40,000 people. Well, he's got a lot more. He's got a million or at 1.2 million reserves, but he only sends 40,000 people in there. Why? This is a nation of 44 million people, Ukraine. Clearly,

he's not trying to conquer Ukraine with 40,000 troops. Right. He wanted to bring us to negotiating table. So, and this, and this, they go in on January, in March, almost nobody's been killed at that point. Comparative, what's happened now? So, as he says, okay, let's negotiate peace. He comes back to the negotiating table. And they, but the US won't help them. Oh, yes, go to Israel and Turkey to get their help negotiating a peace accord. They negotiate a peace accord, which is, which is Minsk Accords 2.0 with Putin. Lensky initials it, the Russians initial it and the Russians start withdrawing their troops from Ukraine in good faith What happens then Biden and

Boris Johnson over there the UK prime minister to torpedo that peace agreement and And he and so and force lines get it tearing up and since then 400,000 Ukrainian kids have been killed on the front lines and And you know all of those kids and mothers and Every one of those lives was an unnecessary tragedy and you know You know my son went over there and fought I did not know that but I'd I had heard something like that and That's amazing. Well, he and I disagreed with the war. Yeah. I have tremendous respect for him. And he believed

what he was doing. He had great sympathy for the Ukrainian people, which I share, which share a lot of share. Of course. He had a poor never the ones and for their valor suffer. Right. And that's a bad ass thing for him to do. It shows his character to go over there and fight with Ukrainian people. I mean, we didn't know that he was going. Yeah, he did. I would not help if Manhattan Beach was invaded. You know, what I mean? Like, I wouldn't even do that. So the idea that he would get a Starbucks and yeah, you're like, I would tweet about it.

I go, so sad the rents hacking of Manhattan Beach, I would not care. I'm on a fact it. I'm on affected, but no, that's, that's an amazing thing. And what is, is he still there? Is he? Oh, he's back, but he was in, he fought in the car, keep offensive.

He was a machine gunner. I mean, you tell what happened. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, he, he, he, he told us he was going somewhere, but wouldn't tell us where. Yeah. Because he said he didn't want us to be worried. Yeah.

And this would qualify his worry. Yeah. And then so after he left, of course, we were worried because You know, if somebody says don't worry, right. I'm gonna be okay. It's like What well, what are you doing right and then we started seeing some credit card charges in Poland and We you know put two and two together and right, but we couldn't reach him two together. But we couldn't reach him.

We couldn't communicate with him. Right. It was really, it was very stressful. So he joined a special force unit. He was in the foreign Legion. Ukraine, in foreign Legion, and he fought in that fancivism machine gunner. First, the drone operator,

which is the most dangerous job because the Russians can tell as soon as you turn on that drone and then they, and it's not until and they send artillery, the artillery kills anything within 300 feet. And then he became a machine gunner and he, and you know, now he's back and he's, he just graduated law school, now he's back and he's he just graduated law school. So he saved thank God.

But all I talked to him yesterday and all of the people that he served with have either been killed or are hospitalized. You know, it's it's it's terrible. But you gave a great succinct explanation. I think a lot of people are confused about Why we're not trying to negotiate a settlement? Why we're not trying to force peace talks? Why that isn't something that we're requiring along with all of these donations and all I mean all of the funding and the weaponry But I think you know, it's it's pretty clear to a lot of people that we may not want peace talks that. Well, and, you know, there's people making a lot of money on this.

That's right. When we, you know, we committed now 140 billion, you know, if I didn't get the extra 24 billion that he's looking for. Oh, but in March, we opted to 113 billion. Well, the entire budget of EPA is $12 billion. So that's all we've got for the environment in this country. Well, we have 10 times that, or you, grain.

And, you know, we're having crisis here. Yeah, we have a lot of, we have millions of people in the US that can't eat, that don't have enough. That has a lot of problems, 30% of the million resources are not make enough to pay for basic human needs. And those people are on the edge of becoming homeless. And it's a crisis.

I'm the entire budget for CDC is 12 billion. When we got 10 times that again, when Mitch McConnell was asked in March, why are we in the, why are we in the Ukraine? Why do we have enough money for this? Where's the money coming from? He said, don't worry about it. Because that money's not really going to Ukraine. It's going to US military contractors, Raytheon General Dynamics Boeing Lockheed.

And so he admitted it's just a big money laundering scheme to the military and industrial complex. And then if you look, who do you think actually owns all of those companies? Stage-sheet, Vanguard, BlackRock. Exactly. So now you see it goes back to that. Just strip mining the wealth from the American middle class and shifting it upward. Through all of these different mechanisms that are literally control everything. So, I mean, and no one's talking about this, which is interesting. The Republicans aren't talking about it. The Democrats aren't talking about it.

You're the only candidate out there kind of bringing up these issues in this way. The media has been kind of dismissive of you outright hostile. And now they're saying they want you to pay for the Democrat DNC, is saying they want you to pay for primaries? Well, that's one of the things they're talking about. The DNC does not want me in the primary.

They have the candidates that they want, who is the president Biden, they don't want him to debate, they don't want him to do retail politics, they don't want him to have unscripted conversations with voters, and they definitely don't want him to debate me. And so they're, they look at me, I think I feel, as although I haven't spoken to them directly, I've written them, but have not gone reply as a colossal nuisance. And, and they're trying to, they're doing everything they can to fix the results.

So one of the things they've done is they've made it so that any vote that I get in Iowa or New Hampshire will count for Biden and that and they're trying to do the same thing now in Georgia. They're trying how are they doing that? Well, they're passing a rule that if you any candidate who steps into the state of New Hampshire, Iowa, to campaign, we'll lose all their delegates. And so I've campaigned in both states. So I lose their delegates, but now what they're trying to do is, and they were going to know on September 14th, where they actually do it. Is they're trying to pass another rule that if you step foot in New Hampshire, Iowa, that any vote you get in New, in Georgia, which is a big, big delegate state, will

also count for the president and not for, you know, so they're basically disenfranchising everybody in those states. There's no campaign and they're talking about this idea of making myself and Marianne Williamson as the other Democratic candidate to pay for all the primaries ourselves. Are you enjoying this process, Cheryl, of running for president and it doesn't sound fun. I mean, it sounds fun. I mean, is this fun for you? You're an accomplished actress and comedian and like, you know, is this fun going all over the place and meeting people? I'm sure it has its challenges, but is it enjoyable at all?

You know, it's interesting because I did not think that it would be fun, Of course. Of course. I don't like crowds. I don't know. But she was like hostile. Of course. Yeah. Is a comedian. Right. Yeah. Makes people happy. Right. People laugh. Yeah. But it was interesting because I met Bobby in South Carolina and I thought I would just, you know, sit in the hotel room and wait till he got home. Yeah. Um, but then I went out with him everywhere. And it was so interesting because I don't know when in my life, I would, I would be going to like small communities in South Carolina and just meeting people, just listening to people. Um, and it's, it's And it's very sweet, actually. And it's very eye-opening, you know, because you live, a lot of people live in your space,

your town, your city, wherever. And so you get wrapped up in what's going on in your city. And what's going on in Los Angeles is not necessarily a reflection of what's going on in Los Angeles is not necessarily a reflection of what's going on in the middle America. So it's so really interesting to sit down and talk to people and hear what they're going through and what their struggles are and what their hopes are.

It's a really sort of magical way to see a better. Connect with people. Yeah. And I know that you weren't environmentalist for a long time. This is a big part of your career. People don't know that, but you were somebody who's out there trying to protect things like national parks and rivers and folks. I don't even like national parks.

And I'm kind of, I anti them because everyone disappears in them. And, but the reality is, they have some benefits, but there's just, there's a lot of problem. There's some downside. There's some downside. I've said that many times. That's a big national part. Why do you stuff to in there? It's like you're looking for a problem.

I like cities and, you know, industrial things. You can see the crime happening. Yeah. Yeah. I want more than. I don't like this big expanses. But you have tried to protect the environment. Yeah. I mean, why? I ran big. The biggest and founded the biggest, which is now the biggest

water protection group in the world was just water keeping the lines. I went to work in 1966, I mean, in 1984 for a blue collar coalition of commercial and recreational regreational freshmen, whose lives and livelihoods were being destroyed by pollution on the Hudson. And we started suing polluters, and I, you know, represented them in over 500 cases against Hudson River polluters, we force polluters to spend five and a half billion dollars on penalties, on remediation. And today, the Hudson is the richest waterway in the North Atlantic. So it produces more pounds of fish per acre, more biomass per gallon than any other waterway

in the Atlantic Ocean or the equator. It's the last major river system left that has a strong spawning stalks of all of its historical species of migratory fish. And the miraculous resurrection of Hudson spawn, the creation of now 350 water keepers all of the world. We're in 46 countries. We're on most of the waterways in the United States. We have them here on Santa Monica Bay. Each one has a patrol boat. We patrol the 46 countries. We're on most of the waterways in the United States. We have them here on Santa Monica Bay. Each one has a patrol boat. We patrol the waterways. We track down polluters and we sue them.

We're a law enforcement group. Yeah, and it's not and it's not just water. I mean, I watched him and his law firm Su Monsanto because of the roundup. So you know roundup is a weed killer. Yep, and there was one man who Was a groundskeeper at a school who would wear a roundup on on his back, you know like on a tank and on his back And he started getting lesions and reached out to Monsanto and said is it possible that right? This is giving me lesions and so When when they see and I when they And I never called them they just got to it internally and made a decision We better not call them back because it probably is

It's causing and so So So something like that where they they sued months into it and they You know, it's clear that roundup did cause lesions and he got non-Hodgkins and phoma. But just the idea of standing up against these huge corporations. And in this case, it was on behalf of one man. But of course, there were lots of cases all over the country. But being able to say it's not okay, you guys knew that it was killing people.

We have, here's your email trail. And then to win against Monsanto. It's a huge victory. It's a huge victory. Yeah. And it prevents companies like that, corporations like that, in the future from utilizing those same types of dangerous chemicals. I mean, what about the food in this country? The food is incredibly unhealthy and polluted. And you go to Europe and other places, you're not allowed to put certain things in food.

And like, Jim, I was right. And that's right. A lot of places, you're not allowed to put certain things in food. And like Jim was right. And that's right. A lot of people, you know, eat, we were talking the other day, eat bread or pasta in this country. And they get gluten allergy, celiac disease, all these allergic reactions. Then they go to Italy and they can eat it without any consequence. And because the food in our, I've been sewing the agricultural industry for 40 years. I probably, you know, brought as many lawsuits against the big companies like Smithfield, Tyson's, Bob Pilgrim, Purdue, the big animal factories that are creating a lot of the pollution,

probably bought more than any other attorney against those companies and one and you know but I've watched the corruption and the capture of the Department of Agriculture by big agriculture and just USDA was created to protect the small farmer and to ensure as all some food supply. And today, the function of that agency is to destroy for the small farmers to, you know, to create a safe spot from unsancto and cargill and all of these big agricultural, uh, BMS, industrial agriculture polluters and chemical agriculture. And the food that we get from that process is not really food. It's a filler that has all kinds of poisons in it. And lacks almost any nutritional value.

Right. And we're poisoning all generation of Americans. We now have the highest chronic disease rate of any country in the world. And because of that, we pay them biggest health bills. We pay $4.3 trillion a year in healthcare. And that's two or three or four times more per capita than any other country. And we have the worst health results. So we, you know, we have, I think we're 79th now in terms of health outcomes behind my goalie, behind Cuba. And during COVID, we had the highest COVID body count of any country in the world. We have

we have 4.2% of the global population, but we had 16% of the global of the deaths. So we have the highest kill rate of any country in the world. And you know why they're giving people awards for that million dollar prizes, et cetera. When we had the worst record for caring for Americans of any nation, we had 200 times the death rate of Nigeria. Do we need more regulation? It's something that we need is less. These surround talk about with the answer. You've got to get rid of the agency capture. You've got to get rid of the financial entanglement and these perverse incentives. Right. That give advantage to the chemical agriculture over, you know, regenerative farming. chemical agriculture over, you know, regenerative farming. And we need to actually support farmers who want to take care of the soil, who want to produce healthy, nutritious foods

for Americans. And that's what, you know, that's what I'm going to do. I know how to do it. This is your wheelhouse. You guys actually met at an environmental event. We did. Yes. We met at a waterkeeper event. Okay. It was a skiing. It was a ski. It was a fundraiser. So it was a skiing event. And Larry was on his way.

And he's like, you want to go with me? And I said, oh, yeah. Okay. And then we got there and then we met Bobby. And, um, and that, I mean, I made them them ski that didn't they didn't want it to ski. No, I didn't think we're going to ski. Yeah. Um, but they came and then that was sick.

And then both of us were married at that time. Right. Oh, we didn't, you know, nothing. Um, there was no like spark turning into a flame. But then I think six or seven years later, I brought her back to another, and I was very good friends with Larry. I lived with him for two summers. We went on all of our family vacations together. And he had just started curbing the first time. I mean, curbing enthusiasm. And that was the first time I met Cheryl. And she came back six years, and we were kind of friendly, but you know,

never really saw you. Right. But then yeah, then I was, I was going through a divorce and he was going through a divorce and it was like, Oh, hi, oh, hi. Right. Fun. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

And what's it like being now? I'm kind of member of the Kennedy family. And this has got to be, this isn't a very interesting family to to to marry into yeah Is it is interesting? Yes on you know on one level there Just a family right everybody sits around and we play trades and it's right fun and is that what you guys Can be so do it What would you guys do? People yell at each other. The candidates are doing?

Are they playing charades? That's not what we thought. Okay. Okay. He lies that. A very competitive game. I would imagine they're competitive. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. So on one hand, you know, you have that. And then on the other hand, you know, I don't know, you're playing trivial pursuit. And it's like, oh, your uncle. You know, it's in that's weird. Right. Because it's like this, yeah. Worldwide.

Well, it's like this legendary American family that you're now a part of. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. How is the response been from the family to you running? Is this good? Is this mixed? Is it?

It's a big family. Right. I would say if they all voted, or I think there was 105 of us at the Cape, over 4th of July weekend. If they all had to vote, I would, I think, I think Biden would be me. But if my family loves him, okay, that's good. I went to his family. Yes, yes. I have a lot of people who support me and our family, but probably slightly more than our,

I don't know. I mean, they're, they're, I feel loved by my whole family. Right. I don't feel like it's, I think that, you know, but it's a fair to say that there's some people, the family, their institutionalists. And yeah, and there, you know, there's five members of my family that work,

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or with government. Of course. And that's understandable. It's understandable. Do you think that the inquiry that the Republicans are opening up into Hunter Biden into Joe Biden into the Ukraine, the Buryzma, the energy stuff? Do you think that gets to impeachment? I don't know.

And you know what, Tim, I kind of stay away from Trump's legal problems and Biden's legal problems, because I'm trying to focus on issues that, you know, the kind of values that people have in common rather than the inflammatory stuff that keeps us all apart. And the other thing is anything that I say about those issues, kind of a suspect and really doesn't advance, you know, understood, understood. Well, let me ask you a few more things. I really do appreciate you guys coming on.

I do think that you are, you make some very interesting points in a way that very few people are right now about the lack of affordability, the lack of housing, a generation that's kind of being poisoned with food that's being impoverished with a lot of these policies that are not that are going unchecked where, you know, you have these companies being able to buy up large swaths of American homes. But let's talk for a brief moment about corporations that do good, right?

Like the pharmaceutical industry. Because we should at least mention, because there are good ones. There are good ones, of course. There are good ones, but then there are good ones. There are good ones. But then there are you very much want vaccines to be safe. This is your whole thing. Yeah.

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Let's make sure that we know that that product is not causing more problems than it's a burden. That's right. Oh, um, and, you know, is it your intention to take vaccines away from people? Of course not. And I, um, you know, I mean, I am against mandates because I'm just, I guess generally for bodily autonomy, whether it comes for abortion, or people should be having to make up their own minds about what to put in their bodies, and how to treat their bodies, et cetera. Yeah, we need those personal freedoms, but I don't. But otherwise, I think that everything that I say

about vaccines, if people actually heard me talk, that 99% of Americans would say, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. They should be tested in placebo control trials, like every other medicine is and they're not. Yeah. Outside of vaccines, or do you think we're overmedicated as a country? Yeah. I mean, I know we're overmedicated. We take three times the amount of pills as anybody does in Europe on average. And medication, those pharmaceutical drugs are now the third leading cause of deaths in this country after heart attacks and cancer.

So they're not making us healthier. And they're of course, there are drugs that help people, but, you know, we are over-medicated in this country. And part of that is because of television advertising and pharmaceuticals, that we are, there's only two nations in the world where it's legal to advertise pharmaceutical products on television. And that's New Zealand and us.

And it's unhealthy. We shouldn't be doing it. It should be illegal. It was like in our drug stores, if you go to another country's drug store, there might be two or three aisles, maybe our drug stores have 10 aisles of just just medications and pills and potions and powders. Oh, we're also the second country in the world. Right.

I have chronic disease. We've still got that going for us. We've still got that going for us. For the sickest. I mean, that might be a good campaign slogan. RFK, we are the sickest country in the world. Let's fix that. Yeah, but it is true that we take a lot of medication. We have a lot of, you know, issues in this country, you know, in terms of mental health that we don't address, right? Or like mental health care, just like physical health care is not great. And I think a lot of people, you know, the root cause of some of those issues might be

diet, they might be situational, they might be diet, they might be situational, they might be clinical, they might be biological, but like nobody's figuring that out. So people just throwing pills at people. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean, we, you know, they're listening to the industry, right? Medical cartel and the pharmaceutical industry which is a core of that cartel benefit from having a sick population Right, and you know, I'm not saying there's somebody sitting somewhere, you know with the cabal saying let's make everybody sick or It's like everyone sick right if we're making money. Yeah, right exactly and the more chronic disease the more drugs They can sell and we've got a whole generation of back loop. I mean, there's a lot of it. There's 150 million or 120 million bento prescriptions every year, 120 million SSRIs.

So we took them at Benzode as a pinch of soap, but things like Xanax. Yeah. And right. Nobody else does that. And then a hundred and eighteen million. Adderall prescriptions. Every yes. And so you've got this in hundred and eighteen million Adderall prescriptions. And Benzos and she's you know, the our kids are all like they're hopped up to the gills. kids are all like they're hopped up to the gills. And a lot of that is because there's a chronic disease rates. These kids all have not only, you know, they have physical illnesses. They've got autoimmune disease like we've never seen before. Room of Georgia, I the right is juvenile diabetes. They've got a Crohn's disease. All these things that we never heard of before. Lupus. And then they've got allergic disease. PenoDology suddenly appeared and I ubiquitous around 1989.

As I exploded, all of these allergic diseases, and this might be, we might be over-vaccinating people. There might be, you know, there's all of this. What we do know is it know is it happened around 1989. Right. And that is when the vaccine schedule exploded. And that's when all of these diseases, all those diseases are listed as side effects

on those products. I don't think it's the, that's not the only issue. There's a lot of other roundup became ubiquitous around that timeline. Neonicotoid pesticides. PFOAs, which are flame retardants, which I've litigated on, you know, extensively. And they became, it went into every child pajamas, all of our furniture at that time. Cellphones appear, there's a lot of, it has to be an environmental exposure.

Right. But it's probably just a combination of all of the, our kids are now swimming around in a toxic soup. And the food they eat is contaminated. The air they breathe is contaminated. The water they drink is contaminated. And it has mental health issues impacts. It has physical impacts, it has spiritual impacts, ultimately, on them. And, you know, what we ought, what NIH ought to be doing is looking at very easy for them to do. They have a $42 billion annual budget. They give that money to 56,000 scientists, mainly in universities, and they give them assignments and say, look at these issues. Why aren't any of them looking at what is causing the autism epidemic? It's just the money. It's really the money. Unfortunately, it's the money we're going to have to get

people off. I mean, that's the problem, right? Because people are blinded by self-interest to the point where they just, and that's your challenges as somebody running for president, is basically how do you fight that innate desire of people to help themselves at the expense of others? Yeah, well, you know, one of the interests being unanticipated benefits, I believe, of what happened during COVID where they locked down the entire country. Right. Is it? Okay, it suddenly becomes permissible now for us to have big solutions to problems. Right. If we, you know, I would say five years ago that if you found out

that glyphosate, which is the, you know, the active ingredient of Roundup was causing the, let's say that, you know, we learn for sure that it's causing the celiac and gluten allergies to all of America that you're seeing now ubiquitous. That five years ago, even if we knew that definitively, they'd still say, well, it's still too important to agriculture to ban it. Right. And now, I think you can say, hey, we just shut down the entire economy with 3.3 million businesses. We clocked down or and close many of them permanently bankrupt in order to prevent a disease. So let's, you know, start preventing chronic disease that are much worse than COVID.

Right. And you know, that was a big program now because it's kind of, you know, it may be now easier for people to imagine adding entire product lines in order to, right, than it would have been before COVID. So you could go in and say we're done, we're done, what happened. It's a disease, it's a disease, it's not. It? What if the Macrital is? Is it that? It's a disease.

It's not. The Macrital is not a go. That is that to live on. The Macrital is killed more people than COVID. The Macrital is not. The Macrital is. The Macrital is so. You know, like things like that, right?

I mean, we grew up eating fast food. Really bad. Our parents would take us there. Because they kind of trusted the government in this way that like, you know, they were like, if it was that bad, you know, I'm sure they would have figured it out. The FDA will give the kids, you know, lunchables or whatever garbage. I mean, my generation grew up eating all this stuff because the gut, the people trusted the people empowered to the extent that they were like, Hey, I guess it's fine.

It was like big tobacco. Yeah, big tobacco, yeah. Government said, I don't, I think it's okay. Right, right. It'll be fine. Yeah, it was killing. It was killing one out of every four of its customers who used the product as directed. Yeah, or 60 years, nobody did anything.

Right, and then, you know, the lawyers came in, but you know, one of the things we can, that I'll do as president is people say that, well, you know, you can't ban products like that because their manufacturers like Monsanto are too powerful. And, you know, they'll never let you do it. And then, but here's the thing, if you have good science that, you know, which I can do at my controlling NIH, good science that shows, okay, the reason we're having the obesity epidemic is because of high fructose corn syrup. Right. And that's, you know, and it's causing diabetes,

causing all these cause. And then all the, even if, you know, the lobby is up there on Capitol Hill saying the agricultural lobby and the porn lobby is saying we, we can never stop that. Well, guess what? You have really clear science on the books that showing that like now the plane of lawyers are going to come out of the woodwork. You know what's really interesting? All the body positive stuff, a lot of it that's been coming out has been actually backed

by like Nestle. Of course. I mean, this is crazy. Of course. But I mean, we don't know. I mean, it's kind of funny, but it's like, like, when you see something crazy, where it's just like people that are, you know, it's wild, you know, people, you know, and there's somebody on the cover of a magazine that should not be there.

And... I'm not going to say shit now, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, he's not going to say, it's new. It's new,

it's new that they're there. It's new that they're there. Now, it's a new thing. Now, when they're there, a lot of times that you will look at some of that stuff, and it is sponsored by people that are making junk food. And I'm not a model myself.

I'm not saying, you know, I'm just saying that is true, that the incentives and the people that are behind certain think it'd be fascinating. It's interesting. When you look at like that are behind certain things it'd be fascinating. It's interesting. When you look at the money behind certain campaigns that spring up supposedly organically out of nowhere, but that behind those campaigns is actual money and actual corporate interests.

Yeah, and then put anyone on them cover you. I'm not saying that it's, you know. Right, that they shouldn't be there. You don't know that they shouldn't be there. Let's just's, you know, right, that they shouldn't be there. You know, nothing they shouldn't be there. Let's just see, you know, what's behind of course. I just, right, that's all I'm saying. I know that it's hard. I mean, listen, I get it, you know, and do you, you guys disagree on stuff? And that doesn't mean I love each other. This is a whole thing in our country now. People are not allowed to disagree. People are not allowed to say, Hey, this person feels this way. I feel this way, but we're both like Americans,

like something happened during COVID where we just got so separate and angry at each other and hateful. The discourse is, it's one of the lowest points. Well, you know, that's why when you were asking me about going on the road, that's what I felt so interesting about even going to South Carolina because Bobby attracts crowds of Republicans and Democrats and Independents. So in one room, you have hundreds of people who, you know, people that I always thought would just be angry at each other just because they're in different parties, but he's attracting people that are in different parties that are saying, yeah, I'm listening. And I want to listen to how we can solve this. So it's in an you don't always feel that like, perhaps in Los Angeles, I don't, I don't feel that so much.

Right. It's very divided. It must be tough for you because you're on. I can't tell you how many people have come up to us and say, you're keeping our marriage together. Right. It was, you know, Trumpers and married to a Biden person. Interesting.

Yeah. Isn't it interesting? Interesting. But I mean, this is like, I think it's important for people to see that people share a ton of commonalities. Yeah. You know, that's right. And it's like even though more so than our differences, that's exactly what we're

seeing. Yeah. Everybody wants, nobody wants crime. Everybody wants, everybody wants, um, level of equality. That, you know, everybody to get a fair shake. Right. Everybody wants some level of equality. That everybody to get a fair shake. They love that view of America. They want healthy kids. They don't like, you know, the things that we all share,

the desires, the aspirations for our country, for ourselves, everybody wants more freedom. You ask people about these general issues. And then we're, it's almost like, you know, and I said this to Bobby Lee the other day, I said, it's almost orchestrated the, you know, the anger, you know, feels orchestrated and manipulative that, you know, the anger that we're that is is drummed up between us. And over issues that affect a tiny sliver of the population.

And we're all fighting over this. You know, whether somebody can use a bathroom or not. And it's like somebody is jangling the keys and everybody's attention is on the keys. And meanwhile, those guys are robbing the bank. Yes. And they're telling us, look at that way. Right.

Who's not allowed to know that? Right, right. Instead know, who's not allowed about that? Right, right, right. Instead of these actual big structural, we're all getting screwed. The problems, right? Yeah. They're distracting us from getting together and say, wait a minute, you know.

You guys don't like each other, remember? Right, right. Remember you guys hate each other. Right, yeah. Well, listen, I really appreciate both of you coming. I really appreciate you coming on Cheryl and you coming on as well. I know that you have such a, you know, incredibly busy schedule.

And you know, a lot of the people that I know are very interested in seeing what you, what you guys have to say, you know, because it's like a big, I'm glad that you're out with him, you know, because I know in the beginning, it was hard. It's hard. But, uh, but it's like it's such a big thing he's doing is like running for president. Yeah, I know. So it's you know what I mean? It's like, because in the beginning, I felt like you were like, this is his thing.

He's doing his thing. Well, yeah, that was tough. He's tinkering around. He's running for president. I'm gardening. I'll be on set. I'll be on set. I'm out of king.

But he's this is a big thing. And I think, um, you know, like I said, everybody loves you. And a lot of people love you. So I think that's the best. That's the best thing. Where can people go if they want to support the campaign? See you live, donate, spread the word of what you're doing. They can go to Kennedy24.com. Kennedy24.com. And they can follow him on Instagram and on Twitter. On X.

X. I came in with the right. On X. Yes. And TikTok. Yeah, and TikTok everywhere. And what's the final thing to add? Because I mean, it does seem like you're getting more traction and you're, you know, you seem really deadly serious about this.

And like, you know, a lot of people are out there. And it's kind of exciting because we kind of got a mess. If you look at the people running and it's kind of a mess. Yeah, no, you know, I, um, You know, I, I mean, I, I, our objective from the beginning is to how do we bring people together? How do we remind people that, I mean, there's polarization is so toxic in our country, more toxic and more dangerous than any time since the Civil War. Right. in any time since the Civil War. And we have to stop hating each other. We need to be able to

have debates that are congenial, that are mutually respectful. And my uncle, Ted Kennedy has his name on more piece of legislation than any other Senator in American history. And the way that he did that, he was on the left wing of the Democratic Party, but he was friends with all the Republicans. Right. He would come home on the weekends with people like Lauren Hatch, who I thought was Darth Vader

because he was so bad on my issue, the environment. And I was like, Daddy, how can you be friends with him? And he was like, I am. And he found commonality I am, you know, and he found commonality and with Robert Bird. Or he'd bring these guys home and they would write songs for each other. They would write poetry for each other. They just, Robert Bird was singing songs and writing poetry.

I'm not kidding. Well, no, but this is good. This is encouraging to hear. And so this is the way I feel about Putin, like give him a guitar. And let's figure it out. We can do this, you know, RFK. Thank you. Cheryl, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

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