The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - 1: The Colour of Magic Pt.1 (Red Lorry, Yellow Lorry, Zlorf Flannelfoot)

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan-Young and Francine Carrel, read and recap every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series in chronological order. This week, Part 1 of our recap of “The Colour of Magic”. Cellos! Random Capitalisation! Wizards! Tourists! Albatross! Tyrants! Tangents! Find us on the internet:Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: [e-mail] to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:The Elements of Eloquence: How to Turn the Perfect English Phrase -by Mark ForsythThe Buzzcocks - Ever Fallen In Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've)The Magic of the Roundabout The Ottoman Empire’s No. 2 ManTV Tropes - Evil ChancellorAn Online Resource Guide to Freytag's PyramidDan Harman's Circle TheoryKateLeth.comFanlore – SuperWhoLockAmanda Palmer – There Will Be No IntermissionAppointment in Samarra (Wiki)---Music: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

How are we going to reduce the reflected sound of underground spirits now, Francine? How often do you think you reread Pratchett books, like without us being on a deadline like this? I tend to treat them like palette cleansers, like it's very rare I do like a full reread. Yeah. But say I've just finished reading a trilogy or I've just read a particularly heavy book and I want something that's easy reading and not new afterwards, then I'll read like a Pratchett book or a couple of Pratchett books. So I'll read say a few books from the guard series, a few books from the witches. Yeah. What about you? Do you know, I'm not sure I've ever done a full read through from beginning to end, but I would go and read like three or four at a time,

maybe twice a year. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. Oh and then I would revisit the favourites and all the couple times, like Nightwatch or Masquerade. I was really into reading like a lot of One Point. Oh really? And, oh the last continent is I think my favourite next to Nightwatch. Yeah. In fact I would flip between them depending on mood, like I think Nightwatch is probably objectively the better in a version commerce book, but The Last Continent is one of the few books that still makes me absolutely belly laugh as an adult. Like as a teenager I feel like it was easier to get those belly laughs out, but now a book has to be fucking incredibly funny to make me do that and The Last Continent still is, even after so many rereads. Yeah, I have to say I'm

more likely to get the belly laugh from one I haven't reread for a while, because in something like Nightwatch or Monster's Regiment this one I reread a lot. That's a bit of a, I think I described it the other day as it is like I hold the book up in front of my face and then a film plays. I've read it so many times and I know all the beats and what happens, but when I haven't reread for a while will suddenly surprise me with a joke I'd forgotten or what I've missed before and haven't got, so like I hold off on rereading soul music too much for that reason. It's one of my absolute favourites, but I love it because it's, oh that reference! Right and you don't want it to become just a movie playing in front of your eyes. Yeah, that's why it's been quite cool rereading this

with a stack of post-it notes. And actually stop and think about everything you've read and gone is that something I can talk about? Is that worth talking about? Yeah, yeah and then whittling it down because you know there's like oh I love this line, oh I love this line, like if I'm reading a Pratchett book in the same room as Jack I am unbearable because A, he does not really care for Discworld and B, knowing that fully I will still read out passages every two and a half minutes or so probably. Right okay let's do like the podcast or something. Oh should we make a podcast? Yeah let's make a podcast. Hello and welcome to The Truth Shall Make He Fret, a podcast in which we are reading and recapping every book in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series in chronological order.

I'm Joanna Hagen Young and I'm Francine Carroll. The first book that we have read in an analytical fashion to regurgitate at you is The Color of Magic which is the first in a kind of what's it called a couplet instead of a trilogy? A couplet, I like that so let's say that. A couplet of books, The Color of Magic and The Light Fantastic, which were released in the early 80s. 1983 I think? 1983 for The Color of Magic. The book itself is kind of split into almost four novellas and so we're going to do just the first one of those today and then in the next episode the middle two and then in the last episode probably like the last one, the third episode rather than the last and that's when we really get sick of each other in the next two hours. So yeah the basic idea is to recap these

books and chat about some concepts within and just try and get a different perspective on things. Yeah talk about why we love them as much as this comes from a place we love, maybe highlight a couple of things that could be done better or that well not could be done better. I mean you're so reluctant to say that but yes it's okay to say could be done better because he got better at writing and I'm sure like I'm sure he would go back and do it better if like he had the balance so. Maybe look at it from a slightly different perspective. Yes. So a note on spoilers for this podcast, this is a spoiler light podcast so obviously for the book we're discussing heavy spoilers for the entire book. This is a spoiler podcast in that respect. However for

the series as a whole we're going to avoid revealing any major future plot points and anything that happens in the final discord book, The Shepherd's Crown, we won't be discussing until we get there. Yes. Because there are people who are holding off reading it for various reasons. Hopefully those people might come on the journey with us. Oh my god he sounded so wanky. I was about to say it sounded wanky but I'm not sure. Right so. Sorry yeah read the blurb down. The colour of magic. On a world supported on the back of a giant turtle, sex unknown, a gleeful explosive wickedly eccentric expedition sets out. There's an avaricious but inept wizard, a naive tourist whose luggage moves on hundreds of dear little legs, dragons who only exist if you

believe in them and of course the edge of the planet. Do you think that Pratchett wrote his own blurbs? Reading that now. Do you not think so? Would Pratchett refer to the luggage as having dear little legs? No I suppose not. I don't know maybe if he was trying to sound. The main reason I think he didn't is that for some reason the edge of the planet is in capitals and at no point in the book is it ever referred to as the edge. It's always a dream. Oh yeah yeah oh good point. Yeah I believe you then. If you have any knowledge to the contrary listeners then please add Joanna. That's fine I don't read them. Thank you. Right so we begin with the colour of magic which is the first section within the book of the same name. Here we have a very fantasy

introduction so at this point you should probably say that Pratchett set out with the colour of magic to properly take the piss out of fantasy tropes. Yeah he said in an interview he wanted to do for fantasy what Blazing Saddles did for westerns. Yeah. So we're in full parody here. Yeah I mean later on the universe kind of grew into its own thing and even actually a little bit in the second book but in this book it's very much spot fantasy trope and how we're going to take the piss out of it for a little bit. So with that in mind he introduces his universe in a very grand and you know string music way. I can hear cellos and possibly kind of some kind of roaring bass drumroll orchestra. Yeah sorry this is this is an annoying thing I will probably do multiple times

and we've talked about this because I write for stage and screen and things I will start describing this as if I'm writing it as a script and this is how it goes it's a film. Yeah it's quite interesting because I read these things and for me it goes from scene to scene it cuts exactly as the book goes and it's blam blam blam whereas for you you are imagining the connections and there'll be a snow zoom. Yeah seeing the kind of pan lovingly over the hall pits of Angkor Morphog. We'll get to the hall pits. The hall pits? You know I like to skip to the hall pits darling. For this one maybe we could just read out the first couple of paragraphs because it's quite so grand. In a distant and second hand set of dimensions in an astral plane that was never meant to fly

the curling star mist swather and part C. Great Artoo in the tazel comes swimming slowly through the interstellar gulf hydrogen frost on his ponderous limbs his huge and ancient shell popped with meteor graders through seasized eyes that are crusted with room and asteroid dust he stares fixedly at the destination. Yes and this is interspersed with capitalized words the destination with capital D. I love run and capitalization. I mean no I think. As an editor it makes my eye twitch apart from if you are obviously doing this with the the sense of enormous gravitas that is necessary for a fantasy introduction. I mean not just a fantasy introduction but what he is introducing here is a giant interstellar turtle on Whom's back Whom's? Whomster's back. Whomstom.

On Whomstom's back searches for elephants and on their backs rests the disc that is the world. The disc world which has seas falling off the edge which is called the rim and there's a rainbow around that and and the hub the hub is the middle and there's a giant mountain where gods live at the top and it's all very very fantastical. It is marvellous and probably where Flat Earthers get most of their ideas from. Yeah right no no no no no wait no Flat Earthers say that we're bordered by a cliff of ice or something. I don't want to misrepresent the Flat Earthers position and get any emails at all. Flat Earthers please email us. Don't make me set up a filter for that. I don't want to filter for that. I'll run the email account. Okay fine. Look we just want to know

you're okay. You're getting enough water. So anyway sorry with the introvert with the introverse thus universe with the universe thus introduced um we skip pretty much immediately to the meat of the beginning of the plot which is Angkor pork the main city is on fire. Yeah there is also in this introduction to the world we get a brief tiny discussion of uh the city of Kroll which right on the edge of the world and they're the ones who uh because of where they are they're able to do a bit of space exploration by hanging off the edge and looking down but like I imagine an entire city of people lying on their bellies looking over the edge of the world. I can see my house. No more on Kroll later but for now we have introduced the idea that space travel

may be a possibility one day kind of thing. Yes and the you know people in the world are maybe aware that they are on the back of a turtle. Yes yeah well some parts of the world anyway. Yes. So with that in mind we kind of zoom in on one city one city which is Angkor pork which is pretty important throughout this entire series it is the city as far as the discord books are concerned. Yes other cities are available. It's pretty heavily modelled on London in some ways it's got a very exaggerated kind of class system with with angk being the the rich and pork being the pestle and slums. Somewhere in this book it is described as the city that all other cities are based on. Yeah. So there's this sort of idea of the multiverse and parallel

universes that is not very heavy in the book but does crop up occasionally across disc wells. Yeah oh that's a good point yeah I never read it like that but yes so he's trying to say that all these other cities that might look a bit like Angkor pork are just copying Angkor pork. Yeah it's almost like the um platonic ideal of a fantasy city. Yeah. Without going too much into platonic ideals because it's been a long time since a level philosophy. Yes and as we've said we are not very good at pronouncing greek. So anyway it's on fire which is something he probably couldn't have done quite so casually in the later books because so much of everything is based around a fairly short amount of time in Angkor pork but for now it's okay just to burn

the whole thing down. Yes um yeah because in other books like you get really deep into the infrastructure of the city which meant if the city caught fire that's alone would be a book. Yeah. This is oh a city's on fire right anyway. Yeah and we haven't got any characters that we need to follow up with and all of that stuff and yeah and I quite like that he opens the book with burning down one of his main locations. Yes I think it adds the kind of refresh button that he can use later as well doesn't it. Yeah it comes in handy. It does um so from we know Angkor pork's on fire because we're watching it through the eyes of two dudes on a hilltop. Yes Brav to the Huplander and Weasel. Weasel. So who are sort of bob berry any heroe types. Yeah

they're watching Angkor pork burn down with kind of casual detachment you expect from people who spend all of their time killing dragons and rescuing virgins. They're casual heroes one of them apparently moves a bit cat-like which is that's what I looked for in a casual hero. Yeah yes he does immediately launch into the kind of fantasy trope descriptions of people as well like the weird watch this character see how live and cat-like he is but the other one is leaning on a sword that was only marginably shorter than the average man which you know. Yeah that's nice isn't it I like he just kind of adds a little twist of humor. Yeah like you wouldn't even though that's not really a funny description it's something light hearted enough you wouldn't hear it in a

fantasy that took itself seriously. Like at no point is anything taken seriously in these books I really like that everything is equally up for grabs from barbarian heroes to Lovecraft and horrific temples again we'll get that. And at this point is there watching and kind of taking bets on which bits exploding. We enter briefly our protagonists our pair of protagonists. Yeah that's not all our heroes. Yeah I was scared I skirted around that word although one of them is unconscious at this point I believe. The lad who's still on the horse is Rincewind who is as to describe him a gutter wizard and that's as far as we get for now as a straggly looking fella but a wizard and the other guy is called Toothflower. And we

get the luggage sneaking up behind and yay the luggage. Oh should we come to the luggage later though. Yeah let's talk about the luggage when we when we meet them proper because this is almost we're going to have a zoom back in time. But we are getting the first footnote. Oh yes the first and possibly we've yet to scientifically analyse this possibly the longest footnote in the disc world. And footnotes are one of the best things about the disc world. Yeah Pratchett it doesn't use them the same way as he does in this book forever. Yeah this this first footnote is very much just explanatory and they become very much part of the humor and part of the story. Yeah yeah he almost uses it as kind of back and forth with his own narration later on. Yeah whereas this it is uh

what did we work out like fucking 38 lines or something. I did write this down um of world building an absolute nonsense world building at that. Well this this giant footnote explains uh that the two major directions on the disc are Hubwood and Rimwood so towards the centre or away from the centre. That is relevant later. There's also a long description of how often the disc turns and how the sun rotates around the tersal which means apparently the disc has eight seasons which I don't think is ever relevant again after this. No no. The only parts of the seasons I think are actually relevant is that there is a night called Hogswatch Night which is uh the big winter solstice technically there's two winds. What's the plural of solstice is it solstices? Solstices?

There's two winter solstices. No because that would make it a solstice. Oh that would be right no don't get me on this quote. I beg you do not start me on the suffixes. Suffixes? Oh fuck me it is suffixes. Wait oh no shut up Francine go go do I. And at some point on our twitter feed we will release just 20 minutes of Francine explaining glurals. Nobody will like me um uh yes anyway so I'm not entirely sure at this point whether he's just taking the opportunity to jam in all this world building or whether it is meant to be a mistake of the kind of unnecessary world building that's jammed into bad fantasy. I think it's a combination of like this much intense world building does happen in fantasy in fantasy novels that

don't really need it but I do quite like with this that he sort of goes right I'm doing this world building I will explain why this world is ridiculous and why it works but I'm not going to bother doing a bunch of expositional dialogue I'm going to dump it in a footnote footnote and then we'll move on and it will never be relevant again. Dump in a footnote so large you're not really sure which bits the main text when you open that page but yeah it is pretty difficult actually. And then we pretty much launch into a flashback of rinse when telling the two men on the hillside why ang war pork is a flame. Yep. And um what they have to do with it because of course they do. There's a little bit of an explanation about the fact that the city is on

fire is not really going to be an end to the city. Yeah. Which is a nice kind of almost leaving it open. Yeah for sure yeah so it's again it's almost like London which has burned down a couple times but rebuilt in its own footprint. Yeah. Um there's that kind of thing and I do really like the fact that he describes this fire as um it was a fiery punctuation mark a coli comma or a salamander semicolon. Salamander semicolon is possibly one of my favorite phrases in the book. Yeah. So satisfying. Salamander's semicolon. How do you recommend pausing the podcast and just saying that out loud to yourself maybe not if you're in public don't do that on the train. Yeah so flashback boom ducks ang war pork. Who's this getting off the boat Joanna?

Is it two flower? It is two flower. Yay. He's one of our two protagonists and we're meeting him properly now. Yes he looks faintly bewildered which I enjoy. That's the default state of being for for two flower. Yeah it takes a while until we get to like a full description of him but he's basically described as wearing some kind of odd britches that end at the knee. Can you request? An incredibly brightly colored shirt of some sort. Hawaiian. And he appears to have four eyes. Glasses which took me forever to work out. Yes because we've we've got the early issue early edition that has the Josh Kirby color illustrations. So he's got four actual eyes on this one and when I read this when I was like 11 or 12 I just referred to the cover quite a lot

I was like right yep four eyes and I considering I was called four eyes quite often I did not make the connection that two flower is in fact wearing glasses which is just unknown in ang war pork at this time. Yeah um but this is what I really like about how Terry Franchett describes things is he describes things that we would know about and people in the world wasn't so he describes them confusingly he describes them as people in the disc world would see them but well enough that we immediately or not immediately if we're not 11 years old and if we're paying a bit more attention than sometimes we do. Yes and we're not sort of skim reading in the way that we do at 11 years old. He's dressed as a tourist he's wearing shorts he's it's not said but he has

probably got socks and sandals on yeah he's got a big Hawaiian shirt and he's got a he's got glasses he looks like a total dork and we and we love him for this. Oh yes but yeah he's he's a stereotypical tourist you know kind of character. Who gets out of phrasebook? Who gets out of phrasebook and starts reading from it. I wish to be directed to a hotel to have a lodging house in hospice caravan Sarai. Anyway so he's gotten off and just established himself as so much of a tourist you can't even and then alongside him is one of the greatest characters in the disc world who is... Joanna how do you describe the luggage? He's a very angry box. A very angry box with legs. With legs. Many legs. Many legs. Those are the dear little legs referenced in the blurb.

So many dear little legs but yeah he's a chest like with an old fashioned opening hinged curved and as we find out later the big old mahogany tongue and grows a sort of big white button teeth. Yeah but only sometimes. Yeah so again I don't think we find this up till later on but he's made out of a thing called sapient powered which is a magical. It's a tree that grows in high magic interference areas. Oh nicely done yeah and it can open up and it's got food inside and it'll close again and it'll open up and it's got your freshly laundered clothes in it and then but also it eats people and things. And also it's as I said it's quite often quite angry which is what I look for in a sentient box personally. I like an angry sentient box.

Yeah you wouldn't want to chill on like what's the point. Yeah I want my sentient box to be able to eat people. He's angry and very clingy. He's very clingy and at the moment he is savagely loyal yeah to Toothlower who is his owner. I should point out that there also seem to be some very shiny gold coins that Toothlower is. Oh yeah Toothlower is immediately going around paying everybody with very big gold coins which has got the attention of the local beggar population who are a little more organized than you may imagine. So Toothlower is led off to the pub the broken drum. Yeah he's led off by the beggar to the local pub and he is spotted by another beggar who goes to Emore. The greatest thief in Antwerp for Emore. Emore. Is he? Yeah Witherl's the next

one down. Oh yeah of course. He's the chappy who tried to kill him only lost on eye because Emore appreciates some of that ambition. Oh of course. Of course. Sorry. It's got one of your favorite quotes in it this bit isn't it? Oh god it does. This is right at the end of it so Witherl the second best thief who tried to kill the best thief is this guy sort of henchman. So being Emore's right-hand man was like being gently flogged to death with scented bootlaces but you sort of get the impression he's a bit of a head thief. Yes a bit foppish but probably does very little of his own thieving this that he says he's outsourcing. But they're hearing about the fact that this rich bitwilded dude has just turned up on the shores of Antwerp and obviously this is of

interest to thieves. Because the dude's got a lot of money. For now cut back to the broken drum. Yes. To throw us now there. The broken drum is the pub and the tavern it is the it is referred to again and again through the series really isn't it? Yeah it at one point becomes the mended drum. Yeah and I really need to go we need to make a note of when that exactly happens because I always mean to look that up. I feel like it goes back and forth. Oh so because it gets burned down because it gets demolished and burned down and rebuilt so many times so it's the broken and then the mended. Yeah maybe. Yeah but it's the sessing of many scenes in the disc world most of the violin. Toothflower the Taurus is being introduced to the barman. Still speaking of his

phrasebook he doesn't mean nobody's saying. Uh-huh. He gets the hang that someone is saying food looks it up in his phrasebook and comes out with yes cut that hash chops stew ragout, fricassee mince, collops souffle, dumpling, blanc manche, sorbet, gruel sausage, not to have sausage beans without bean, kick shawls, jelly jam, giblets. All of that. I don't know why lists are so funny but lists are really funny. I'll tell you why lists are so funny. It's a tool of rhetoric. Yeah it is because people don't speak like that and obviously one of the main aspects of comedy is the surprise and just things being slightly off. If I say to you um without pausing or omeganara in uh name your 10 top favorite foods go cheese uh chips. No I can't do it without pausing.

Yeah exactly so reading out a list like that is so out of anyone's real wheelhouse that is just funny as fuck all the time um even if it's just right out of a guidebook as weak as it's kind of in play. Yeah anyway say that. I think it's also something about the ending of giblets. Ghiblets is just a funny word. Yeah it is a funny word. I think I said it wrong. What is it chef? Bits from inside. Oh. Organs. Oh. Organs. Mm good one. Does that all come under the name of giblets? I have no idea. Oh no. Look it's not often I dismember a chicken. Oh good. Yes um yes anyway so watching this interaction is uh Rincewind who we now get a proper introduction to and he looks like a proper bedraggled magiciany type. You have something vague to say about the

Yeah I mean in his description is um some might have taken him for a mere apprentice enchanter who had run away from his master out of defiance, boredom, fear and a lingering taste for heterosexuality and I don't know there was just something about the lingering taste for heterosexuality bit that slightly rubbed it the wrong way. I don't even know if it rubbed me up the wrong way it just seemed like a funny implication. Yeah. And I I may have just totally read it wrong to be fair but it always felt like it read a bit like it was implying something similar to a sort of priest and choir boy relationship. Right okay yeah see to me I think I just read it as because there were no women around and so like homosexual relationships were possible but

if you're heterosexual then obviously not that. Yeah and that could definitely be right but also I'm thinking about this. At this point it's not really the unseen university gets introduced in the next sentence so we don't know that the unseen university is a big male only wizards college yet. Yeah that's true. Which it is by the way. Yeah yes by the way but yeah no you're right I mean if we can both read the same sentence and come out with different implications like that then maybe it could have been worded more carefully but obviously in the early 80s like that just wasn't on. Oh yeah no definitely not and it's not like I'm reading this and going I'm crushing my pearls horribly offended. No yeah but yeah you can point out

like when things could be more carefully worded now and it's interesting to see because I mean we're talking 40 years ago nearly. God I can't believe he's 48 years and nearly 40 years ago. So it's interesting to see the evolution um so he gets he gets introduced anyway as a the drag old looking wizard type and but but you can tell he's a proper wizard because he's got the octagon pendant. The big bronze octagon. Yes which belongs to the unseen university which is the university full of wizards on the disqueld which is in Ang Moorpork and it is super relevant in a lot of the books. Not really this one. This one is a bit of backstory to do with it but the the unseen university gets really explored. In the next book. In the next book yes just get

get yourself some mouse blood and a few matchsticks in preparation for more that's all. For now here's at the bar looking all miserable with beer but overhearing this odd conversation between the rich tourist. And noticing that there is a box of sapient pairwood rinse when recognizes that this amount of sapient pairwood is insane. Yeah just money-wise like that's worth more than the whole chest full of gold. Yeah yeah. So yeah rinse when obviously decides to help out and finally finds a common language with this guy. Mm-hmm. Oh trod. I'm gonna go with trod. Yeah because it's nice to say. It is nice to say. Yeah rinse when's good at languages uh which is pretty much along with running away. The only thing he is good at. Yeah we were sort of

we have talked about this before but I always find it a bit weird that rinse wind has such a good head for languages. It just seems really convenient. It's a convenient thing. He's a babel fish character. Yeah exactly. I think and especially if um especially if it was not really intending to go much further than these two books with the character. Yeah. Then why would you bother doing anything else like you can either introduce a babel fish or just make rinse wind speak all the languages. I know it's a tiny bugbear that because we will come across rinse wind again in many books it's never really explained why he's good at languages. No it's just good at it. It just happens to speak lots of languages. Yeah so when when they finally can

talk to each other anyway but rinse wind is uh surprised to learn he's from the counterweight continent and again it's this is a character having reactions to things that you kind of infer the way things are the way they are so we know that people aren't coming across other people from the counterweight continent very often. Yeah. We know that safe impaired is very rare and we know that massive coins full of gold being flung around really nearly are disruptive because rinse wind tells to a flower that he has to stop that before he gets his throat cut. Yeah. Who does I know that tourists apparently aren't really a thing? No yeah no one comes to see the beautiful dank alleyways of Angkor Pork. Which is great because he does this whole

naive tourist thing he talks about the ta- he uses the word quaint. Yeah he wants to meet the heroes of Angkor Pork and he wants to see a barb roll of tavern brawl sorry and rinse wind is horrified to hear all of these things. I do quite like the little inter interlude with the fortune teller looks in his crying bowl sees something decides to run away and then happens to die later in a frequent slide just as her house collapses in front of Angkor Pork. I just like that as a little interlude. Absolutely. Two flower convinces rinse wind without too much convincing to be his guide while he's around Angkor Pork and pays him absurd amounts of money gives him a deposit which turns out to be a mistake as rinse wind fucks off almost immediately to try and run away

out the city. Yeah I mean I'm not sure I can blame him. No I mean this is kind of one of the things I like most about rinse wind is that he's very straightforward and predictable in his motivations and actions he is self-preservation above all he is cowardly while still keeping his head about it if that makes sense like he's very rationally cowardly. Yeah so this is a fun thing talking about this one because rinse wind is kind of one of your favorite disco characters yeah books that feature this and I'm I don't dislike him but I'm really not super into the rinse wind books yeah like until we decided to do this I probably hadn't reread colour of magic for an incredibly long time it's not when I go back to and I don't really go back to any of the rinse wind books yeah

so it's quite nice as we do this you kind of convincing me why I should actually quite like rinse yeah well yeah uh yeah I just I I'm not saying you have to convince me and that this is your task no but I'm taking that upon myself but I think I'm seeing more of it as you talk about you know I like this attitude I like his fatalism and his running away I I've always been attracted to a cheerful nihilist as we know but he's definitely a cheerful nihilist yes and yeah he's the definition to me of realist rather than pessimist so he's but because he has such a terribly unlucky life he is correctly assuming the worst is going to happen so it's pessimism from dressed in realism yeah or realism dressed in pessimism one

of the two um anyway he's running away because he thinks bad things are going to happen if a tourist is throwing around huge coins of gold and now he has the money to get away realistic um however site what's this a cutaway a side note uh what do you call this theatre lady uh I mean sorry we don't do a lot of cutaways in theatre because oh because of the stage yeah okay all right screenwriter what we do is we set up another stage behind the audience and at a certain point we just drop the curtain and say turn around that would be really cool yeah no I kind of I've been to a massive theatre things like that actually it sounds really cool it's not it's horrible oh okay because you have to stand up yeah yeah no I don't like standing up yeah no I'm really into this whole sitting down

thing we're doing um yeah so we cut to uh the patrician of Anke Moorburg which is I'm not going to get hyped about as a character introduction no but it's interesting to know because he becomes an important character later on and this is it's a seed planted yeah what's going to be a major character yeah and that's cool and a lot of the personality traits are there but he's also described as having lots of chins and rings and yeah at the moment he's one fantasy trope yeah he's very with evil dictator evil city dictator exactly and I think he evolves into something that becomes a fantasy trope but I'm not sure it was one at this time the kind of cool calculated tall probably good-looking black bow to you I think he's still somewhat villain coded in this and he

he's quite a ruthless character later on but he's not a villain anyway so the patricians played up runs burned because as it turns out the emperor of the counterweight continent which is a big ancient powerful empire has said look after this two flower chap because he's one of ours and which version goes rinse when you will look after this two flower chap because he's one of theirs and if you don't the empire is going to make things very bad for me which means I'm going to make things very bad for you in the meantime scorpion scorpion pit is the scorpion pit layer I don't know I just hoped there was a scorpion pit he does also he doesn't imply scorpion pit there's always an implied scorpion pit that's what I love about these books um he does offer rinse

when a crystallized jellyfish which yes could be foreshadowing could be foreshadowing maybe later yeah yeah so rinse wind thus threatened fucks off back to the broken drum where there is a brawl in full swing and people are swinging off the chandeliers and throwing swords at each other and biting ankles and all of that I imagine there's some sort of jaunty sea shanty turned heavy metal playing behind it oh do you oh no oh that makes me sad well you know with lots of quick cuts I'll see no you're seeing it in movie again I can't see it to me it's just all oh this is gonna sound pornographical sweaty grunts and yeah but you need that's the point if you're gonna have lots of down and dirty fighting sweaty grunts and someone's swinging

on the chandelier you need music to offset it oh no you're seeing it the dirtiest parts of the caravan oh yeah maybe all right maybe I would make terrible films no I mean it's the thing it would make a good film but it wouldn't be very okay um have you ever fallen in love by the buzzcocks that would be a good background music for this old timbrel all right yeah that's good compromise we'll do that I may have nicked that from shrike too just to be fair right moving on so timbrel some sort of music playing behind it rinse wind like oh fuck because terrible things are happening and I'm going to be saving this dude however as it happens two flasks fine he's asleep upstairs and when he gets working up he wants to see a timbrel he wants to see the timbrel it's a bit

more kind of stress on this naivety idiocy slash thing that he's got going on um it's very sweet it is and I feel like we've all met somebody a bit like that wherever we live in the world we have met a tourist who comes along and says oh I want to see in the horrible thing about where you live it sounds so cool and you're like oh I guess we could go see that so two flasks very excited to see a timbrel while rinse wind is rightly wanting to not die yeah yeah um and while they are gently discussing this um a watch sergeant barges in he's just here as a prop really because we are introducing the iconograph yes the iconograph Joanna tell us about it it's a camera it's a camera basically well it is it's a camera and at the moment we don't quite know

how the camera works rinse wind sarcastically says he's got a box with a demon in it that draws pictures and I think at this point in the book rinse wind still hopes that it's not it's something clever with colored plates and lights and glass the rinse wind kind of wishes that things worked in the logical and orderly fashion that they do on on round world but kind of shakes himself out of himself and thinks oh no for goodness sake back to reality yeah we know that magic causes all of this and chaos reigns supreme and this is where rinse wind discovers that people will stand still if you hold it up oh now I have a camera and you will all do as I command yeah when I was little my mom used to have a camera with her a lot because if I cried and she pointed it at me I was guaranteed

to stop crying and smile and pose oh god really I know yeah I was I was one of those even I didn't grow up to be the kind of person you'd think after that yeah that's what I I don't mean I've got really like you were a terrible child just that's not like the you that I know whereas I uh just have a bunch of photos of me ugly crying as a child because that clearly didn't work so yes uh brief albatross interlude yeah I love albatrosses albatrosses again 20 minutes of francy and explaining it's not even explaining though is it it's just me trying out different suffixes until I find one I like it doesn't matter if it has any grounding in reality anyway so we have an albatross interlude yeah albatross interlude where another message comes from the um empire and then we go

back agatee and empire we should probably say no no agatee and empire so now it is time for rinse wind and two class go on a little tour of the city yes that's right they go on a little tour of angwar pork they have lunch together very nice very nice uh the concept of insurances introduced or insular ants insular ants yes along with um reflected sound of underground spirits reflected noise of underground spirits no reflected sound of underground spirits yeah and it took us both a very long time to get that joke yeah even though it is directly explained later on we just both missed that somehow yeah well like I said I haven't reread this one a whole bunch so I have anyway they're on the tour of angwar pork they have lunch they talk about insular ants

they visit the hall pits they visit the hall pits and then eventually the iconograph runs out of pink which is when rinse wind learns directly connected to the hall pits I wonder why actually that's so the hall pits are a thing and this is again we're talking about future books but they sort of stop existing after these first two and eventually we get the seamstresses guild yes which as a person who likes sewing dresses I'm not going to call myself a seamstress on a disc world podcast this is probably another one where we can go ah things weren't great in the first couple of books that hall pits are a thing yeah no but I feel like that's the point oh yeah no that is very much a thing that you would have had in 80s high fantasy and 60s would have had

hall pits yeah I think that an arena is mentioned at some point as well yeah which I think never comes up again yeah which is a shame I feel like more characters could have been thrown to lions not that you know I dislike how they were written just I like the thought of fictional characters being thrown to lions oh that's your fetish keep it off the book can we not yuck my yum please I hate that that's the same but I don't want to yuck anyone's yum yeah I think that's such an ugly sentence it's not that I don't like the concept because I do and I've talked before about I don't want to be the fun police when people are terrible people um but yucking a yum just sounds so bad isn't it it is sounds like something for toddlers simultaneously

one of my least favorite phrases but the very first time I heard it it was Kate Leth who is a brilliant Canadian cartoonist and artist and basically because she was guesting on another podcast I listened to I really like the phrase just from her because I'm a fan of hers and then immediately hated it when I heard anyone else say it right sorry the concept is good I like the concept the concept is great the phrase is horrible we will try not to say it I'm guessing that just because you're better at internet culture than I am I'm guessing the point is that if someone says oh I really like this if you go oh that's shit then you're a twat yeah it's a most of the time I've actually heard the phrase used and this is a huge diversion it's specifically within

fandom and talking about things that you like in fandom so specifically you know people who like certain ships or are just really ships with an apostrophe yeah ships is in relationship yeah type things and they like sort of pairings of certain characters and I've heard it used in a I don't want to yuck anyone's yum I don't want to say that these this pairing that you really like is bad it's just something I'm going to so I've mostly heard it used in a fandom sense is it now used in the same way that no offense is as in I don't want to yuck anyone's yum but this fandom is terrible and you're terrible I've never heard it used that way but I am sure it will get that way or I'm just not in the right part of the internet because I'm not on tumblr much anymore

oh yeah I think that's another life journal and tumblr both things that completely passed me by so I think this is why I know nothing about fandom culture I was heavily invested in fandom culture less so now but also it depends on the thing in the discourse I think there's a joke about super who lock on tumblr sorry people who are really into supernatural dot who and Sherlock had these really active very fandoms on tumblr and super natural a thing like a a tv series sorry yeah sorry I thought we were on the genre right yes no no it's like a 13 seasons or something okay I've never watched it I'm just aware of like the fandom around it and there were lots of terrible people right maybe some good ones as well like this is not a criticism of people

who like dark to who and Sherlock oh it is me I'm criticizing you all of you including myself under honor so that was a lot of tumblr fandom culture for a while and and there's a lot more to it than that and it's a lot more nuanced than I think I really know about it I'm I am a casual observer compared to some people I guess yeah I don't know all the people I know who are very into things also seem to have quite active lives like realized and socialized I don't know what do they sleep funny if you do have these things in common with you like it can be a really lovely thing and people talk a lot about toxic fandom but I found some really good friends three different things like we've talked a bit about different histories with internet and I was engaged in

sort of music fandom stuff and that was where I found a lot of good friends now like with I'm a big fan of Amanda Palmer and I've made a lot of good friends through yeah that group sounds incredible unsupported to be fair yeah it still has its moments as any large gathering of people on the internet will yeah I think there's definitely a critical mass point where everything becomes fucking terrible yeah I'm swearing a lot suddenly I'm sorry I've reached my critical mass coffee point possibly yeah um we've completely done yeah how do we even get onto this where are we so we're at the Horfitz that's how we got onto it the politically incorrect Horfitz yeah so we're in the we're in the Horfitz and uh they get mugged yes they get mugged by Whittle who is the

earlier the second best thief in Antmorpork um and uh Too Flyer is kidnapped while Rinswind scalpers yeah we find out that the Albatross was um telling the patrician that Too Flyer is now to be killed instead of looked after and that uh that note came from the Grand Vizier and you made a note about the title Grand Vizier yeah it's so I will come back to this as we go through the rest of the books because the trope eventually gets some interesting stuff done with it and it's very throwaway here so the whole idea is that the first note came from the Emperor of the Agathean Empire who's a young idealistic boy the Grand Vizier is this um it's a big trope not just in fantasy but in Popculturing Dental the evil power behind the throne and it's things like

erjafar and Aladdin's a really good example and so the idea is this Grand Vizier thinks actually Too Flyer should be killed we otherwise this will just cause dissidents in the empire blah blah evil character there is some problematic stuff about evil Grand Vizier as a weird kind of racial trope okay and something that fantasy does less now but definitely I would say in the 80s and maybe even early 90s there are a lot of kind of weird evil east tropes foreign is mystical okay so like unnamed asian country yeah but inscrutable and yeah inscrutable east yeah like um like Chang makes fun of in community before he goes mad yeah oh madder so Grand Vizier is actually a common term for ruler from Persian influenced islamic states and it has its origins in the

Ottoman Empire yeah that's what I got from my research which was fun and it's one of those things it is a really common fantasy trope it is kind of a racist trope but it's a trope that is being made fun of here so it's definitely not saying like hey this book is really racist yeah it's a trope that's being made fun of but it's that whole thing of is it parody if you're just doing the thing yeah and I'm not making a big fuss around anything now but I think it's interesting to point out now because the idea of a Grand Vizier character is and this particular trope is gonna come up again in future books and kind of looked at in more detail and explained as yeah it gets a bit of exploration and it gets made fun of a bit more yeah um it gets highlighted like oh that guy's

called Grand Vizier he must be evil I think that definitely comes out I can definitely see like even if it wasn't a deliberate parody here I can see Pratchett being someone who would put it in without thinking because I like literally until you make this note and I asked you about it the other day I literally never thought about the term Grand Vizier like I it never crossed my mind to look into its origins yeah so I can imagine that if you didn't I can imagine him not knowing putting it in and then later going oh I wonder about this and then that ended up being some of interesting times yeah well I think the whole thing with the Agathean Empire like so it's more than just the use of an evil Grand Vizier yeah and like I said that's a that's a really common villain trope and

it's a little bit racist but the whole idea of the Agathean Empire is this far off eastern mystical land powerful and old and wise yeah all those things yeah that's all weird eastern tropey stuff which he did in this and then he kind of justifies it in interesting times he then turns that into a really interesting allegory for um sovietism and yeah sovietism and the cultural revolution at the same time yeah yeah so he he does something fun with it I don't know if I don't think it was planned this far in advance but I think he kind of looked back at it and went okay so I I just did a weird exotic east thing if I now look at the east on the round world what can I do with that exotic east to actually use it as an allegory and I think he does end up using it really well

um oh this is another one that says things uh allegory what I could probably use it in a sentence but I'm not sure I could distinguish it from things like pastiche it's um oh god I will honestly have to use the google but that's fine use the google I'll put on some old music or something a story per more picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning typically a moral or political one so I may actually be misusing it here I may just mean analogy or representation yes I yeah I meant analogy around past each other results see this is the thing when we're talking about analyzing books we should probably get ourselves like a reference sheet for this stuff because otherwise we're just going to be throwing around literature adjacent analytical words

see I'd rather not have a reference sheet just throw uh literature adjacent analytical words around willy nilly and let people correct us on twitter it gives you it provides discourse I don't like discourse do I I don't like discourse and that's why I don't at me I was so glad when don't at me became something you could say yeah but also I run the twitter account so um yeah the patrician sends for the head of the assassin's guild yes to do the thing that's being introduced to do the grand fizzy is bidding so we now know basically there is a state state sanctioned price on two flowers head yeah um and at the same time the luggage our darling little chest on the dear little legs with the terrifying teeth is threatening

to push rinse wind into a river threatening without words with just very vehement body language as you can do when you're in box they're gonna wash off your shoulders this way and that um and the the the infant the iconograph is kind of interpreting yeah um and saying yeah basically you have to go say if two flower now rinse wind otherwise this luggage will push you into the river and you know we're both boxes so we'll be fine don't know about you mate you're not in a box yeah I kind of feel like it's I feel like rinse winds the kind of person who can't swim I'm not sure if it's actually sad or not but I think at this point he can't swim I think at some point he'll probably force himself to learn yeah yes it does give you a completely new escape medium

I don't think the unseen university has a pool for them to do lapsing no I feel like Ridley was and his mother ran away before he was born oh when did that even said like in my head that's the first thing he says but clearly not we know I have a note about it somewhere um but I feel like it happened it will happen in our third episode ah the end the end uh what's it called the the end get the denouement although it's not really denouement because uh this is one of a two parter so the denouement's really more rising action sorry what denouement uh so this is um something I'm probably gonna get wrong Fermat's Pyramid which I learned about like Fermat's theorem maybe I don't mean Fermat

Fermat's theorem is an unsolvable mathematical thing okay can we edit this so I say free tag yeah sure why not that sounds like something I'll take the time to do no you're not really sounding like a dick on this fucker anyway I can now see how it's felt as well which makes me happy you say denouement denouement yeah so free tag's pyramid so you have rising action falling action denouement which is the settlement uh but it's kind of incorrect for me to call the last section of this book the denouement because with it being a two parter yeah it's also its own little novella yeah and it's a cliffhanger yeah I think you can give it its own structure in that case um because

so this is really interesting I've looked this up properly so free tags pyramid um has exposition rising action climax falling action denouement or resolution yeah um that sounds reasonably similar to something I was reading about the other day uh which is the story structure that Dan Harmon wrote about so Dan Harmon was community writer yeah um so it's like a circle you draw a circle and there are eight sections in it uh one characters in his own of comfort two but they want something three they enter an unfamiliar situation four adapt to it five get what they wanted six pay a heavy price for it seven then return to their familiar situation eight having changed and you can look at any narrative and see that pattern yeah um and you

can see it within each episode of a tv show even which makes me think that yeah you can absolutely have your pyramid for each section of it yes but also there is that overarching thing which is not just color of magic but what fantastic as well yeah so the kind of nerdy thing that we would actually probably have quite a lot of fun doing is getting both of these um theories on paper and kind of mapping them per little novella and perfect that'll probably happen yeah I can't promise we'll subject you to it but I feel like we're gonna do that yeah okay in fact can we make that homework for the listeners could someone just do that in three years yeah thanks yeah you know me I'll just try and put it in a spreadsheet oh my god Francie stop making me translate this

yeah so so Rinswin realized this he has to go get two flags otherwise the luggage is going to eat him yeah how do we get to this from learning to swim I don't feel like we need to really trace our steps here but he goes and finds finds uh two flower or goes to find two flower because two flower right now is in the pub again he's just been taken back to the pub this just keeps happening two flower just not know that he has been kidnapped now he's having the conversation with the innkeeper uh trying to sell him insurance yes insurance insurance and as that is happening we are introduced to the head of the assassins the sloth fennel right red lorry yellow lorry red lorry sloth flannel foot sloth flannel foot yes the elegantly named um sloth sloth see that's

very double sands again isn't it it's more sci-fi than fantasy um but then again tote sci-fi fan so well also um the dark side of the sun and strato which were kind of they're not discord books but they were kind of proto-discworld um and again we might do a little episode on them at some point maybe they were sci-fi yes dark side of the sun especially is a easy sci-fi parody do you think that's why tote practically always gets put into sci-fi and no i think bookshops really bad about combining sci-fi and fantasy okay yeah but there's also a lot of overlap between fantasy and non-fantasy fiction and what you get is a really big fiction section and then sci-fi and fantasy yeah and then you get a bunch of speculative fiction in fiction when really it

should be the sci-fi yeah and then you yeah bookshops do you better oh we should have a spreadsheet protein stop making spreadsheets never um yes so his little flannel foot is introduced he's the head of the assassins and he is not very much like the head of the assassins who will come to me in later books yeah i like that there's a slow we start getting hints of the guild system in fact we get a nice little intro to the guild system because it gets formed yeah uh the guild of merchants yeah um and tourism yes uh the the guild system is like a super important part of angmorpork i think because it it illustrates the it kind of it it illustrates the back-handedness and the the crime that's accepted but also the inherent structures that everyone finds yeah that no matter how

lawless you are you will find a str- your own structure to your lawlessness yeah yeah there's probably like the guild of anarchists there somewhere there is definitely an anarchist but also i just really love that i love worldbuilding and i love worldbuilding that makes sense and as much as there is no need to explain that the disc has eight seasons i love that the city has an infrastructure and we learn every tiny detail of the city's infrastructure as we go not all in this book yeah um practically in one of his um one of his essays in the slip of the keyboard was talking about one of the discord conventions that i ideally wish i'd been at because they um they introduced a guild system just for the duration of the convention and like

apparently within hours everyone had settled into this and there was bribery and there was black male and there were little kids going around saying oi mister i'm mugging you that does make me really happy for a dollar i'll bring it back to life and then i'll kill you again uh but oh that's so cool so yeah so we meet the head of the assassins then he's chatting to more of you i guess it's kind of head of thieves yeah and they've got a kind of grudging respect for each other i suppose yeah one of them you know the head of the assassins guild doesn't rob the other the head of thieves doesn't kill so the money for money so they sort of come to an agreement you know basically either way two flowers are necessary

they're just when it's gold yeah and as things are starting to look a little uncertain for two flower uh we pop back to rinse wind who jostles death in a crowded marketplace um and makes a hold on a lovely little here i'll finally open the book maybe makes a lovely little reference to um the old story of that appointment in samara one of my favorite tiny little tails um fable it's not a fable i don't think well i suppose it could be seen as a fable it doesn't really come up hmm yeah a parable okay but it's about you can't outrun death anyway somebody knows that they're gonna be killed and runs away to another city and then meets death they're going oh no i did see you earlier but i was surprised because i knew i had an appointment with you

here tonight kind of thing so yes you can't outrun fate that's what i mean yeah which will come up in uh the next section that well that'll come up in episode two i guess yes yes um so yeah so but so we get introduced to death as a character yes so death as a character um is huge amazing yeah he's um one of the most consistent characters in the books i say yeah yeah and he's one of the most beloved and i imagine well in fact i know i've read like pratchett could not have imagined the kind of love that would spring up for his anthropomorphic personification of death yeah and i don't want to spoil it a bunch for people who are reading for the first time but he is going to become such a major character and you will love him but this is this is one of the

weird things reading this one where it's not planned ahead and where obviously stuff from past books is kind of ignored or wrecked on love this is not quite the death we come to know and love like this is a very angry and vengeful and vindictive yeah anthropomorphic personification of death um you're so good at saying that without stuttering it's a skill you're actor darling i practiced um because yeah he's kind of annoyed he randomly kills a fish salesman because he's pissed off a rinse when it almost unsettles me because it's not the death i'm going to yeah but so for first time readers if you're confused about why we like the grim reaper so much you'll but for now he's he's popped up anyway for two reasons one so that we can establish that wizards

can see death when most people come and cats and cats can see death um not wizards can see cats i mean i assume i mean it's never been specifically said but also death is there because something terrible is going to happen which you know i said that in a like mysterious foreshadowing way but we already know i'm a fox on fire so whatever um oh i wonder what the terrible thing could be could it be the burning city what was it um it said he hummed a tune as cheerful as a plague fit or something yes as he wandered off yeah hummed a little cheery cheery as a plague fit um and rinse when slightly worse for wear after that i imagine arrives at the the thieves headquarters oh that's right because he knows him or has got him and so he goes to try and find him or is it important

that he goes here is that even no i think it's just drawing out of it no i think it's just introduces where rinse when discovers it's a good idea to beat people up with gold which is relevant when he starts another tavern brawl yes yes because he goes from the thieves guild to the broken drum and throws uh what is now referred to as a gold grenade which is just a shower of coins goes everywhere and obviously starts a brawl yeah um in the midst of all of this we find two fire who's delighted that the violence is finally happening and thinks that rinse windows arranged it for him yeah it's weird isn't it it's like it's almost like two flower thinks he's at universal studios or something yeah and watching all do you know what i mean like

you can't imagine two fire as a character taking pleasure in violence no but he does i think he he's thinking of heroes and they're not real to him they're but yeah it's all stage fighting it's like um it's like w w f so the uh the landlords trying to sort of do something involving oil and candles and insurance yes the landlords in the cellar and i actually i've made a post it note that i'm going to refer to on this one because broadman is down in the cellar and he's fiddling with a tinderbox and trying to obviously start fire but he can't his damp and then a light taper appears in midair right beside him here take this thanks said broadman Doug mentioned it broadman went to throw the taper down the steps his hand paused in midair he looked at the taper

his brow farrowing then he turned around and held the taper up to illuminate the scene it didn't shed much light but it did give the darkness a shape oh no he breathed but yes said death oh i fucking love that that's chill up his fine passage and he hardly ever does passages like that which is like like the the real um yeah the little horror yeah no i'm very with you there that is one of the ah yeah anyway one of the ah rinceven's trying to drag two flower out of this brawl anyway and he gets him as far as outside the broken drum when a whistle catches up with them yeah um there's a little standoff thing uh which is great because bless two flowers holding up a sword rinceven trying to swear in trove which is not very possible oh yeah go

you little such a one who while wearing a copper nose ring stands in a foot bath atop well mount brah rua rua ha you brought this on yourself during a heavy thunderstorm and shouts that alahura goddess of lightning has the facial features of a disease oolah rua ha root and that does um ah that's actually the second iteration of that joke isn't it there's a lot of jokes about um yeah i think there's something earlier about if he was it he would be an atheist to stand on top of the hill in a thunderstorm or in copper lightning shouting oh gods of bastards yeah yeah part of the insurance policy flies high into the discworld's atmosphere and eventually lands on the betrobi islands where they speak the language of trove cute the trove language and the simple islanders

subsequently worship it as a god but that actually somehow improves their lives so some of the minor religions faculty of unseen university go and research it and their verdict is that it only went to show i fucking love that just the i feel like fractured delights in those phrases that mean nothing and they're used all the time so stands to reason only goes to show that kind of thing this bloke in the pub told me yeah yeah it's one of that paragraph is weird because on the one hand i really like it on the other hand ha ha look at the simple natives also feels a bit it's a bit weirdly colonial yeah it is and at this point basically and more porpoise on fire rinsewind and two flower are fleeing having nick well bought some horses bought some horses not even nick the

horses and we uh cut back to the hillside yep we do get in the meantime rinsewind still trying to understand uh the syllables that mean the sort of magic that two flower talks about oh the um reflected sound of underground spirits economics how the hell did we not get this oh groan groan go home terrible people right so we're back on the riverbank yeah and uh hi ho hi ho off to churn we go which is a city apparently opposite querm on the map was it sorry we did have a map stuck up but then we we changed venue and now we we lost we don't have the map honey yeah so as you look so i don't say turn right at the victory so east of ankmore park is churn west of ankmore park is querm yeah and somehow we are eventually going to get to the wormberg

which is much further west of ankmore park but that is being saved for the next episode so yes rinsewind finishes telling his story around the fire and announces he's going to take two yeah for no apparent reason and i don't think that's ever expanded upon i think it's just to continue his little holiday rinsewind has just decided right i've got to stick with this poor naive man and he's saying all of this in a fairly i've already snapped kind of way it's implied that he's also slightly not sober yeah they've been sat around the campfire drinking as he's told this story so he's an unreliable omniscient third person narrator yeah um yeah and they they set off the churn leaving uh weasel and braved the hubblende to go and see what they can run suck in the city

rinsewind trots away with his lovely little four-eyed companion falling periodically off the horse i'm sure things can't get any worse for them no things definitely can't get any worse for them in the next section of the book which is the sending of eight and we will have a look at in the next episode so yeah so i think that's it for us today yeah yeah we'll probably work out how to end podcast it's properly at one point so that's it for this week uh if you want to get in touch with us you can email us at the truth shall make you fret pod at gmail.com or you can find us on facebook the truth shall make you fret you can follow us on twitter at make you fret pod and please remember to rate review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts thanks very much

we will see you next week for the sending of eight and the lure of the world yeah two bits in one double your content it's a really annoying thing to think like oh i just hate people who are really into the fact that they're into something while recording a podcast about a fantasy book series yeah but like we're into it in a cool way i'd say like yeah we're into it but we're not like into into it and we're not really obsessive over it but we're making a podcast about it yeah yeah just like casually like we've got coffee you've got gin it's funny