The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - 119: Good Omens Season 2 Episodes 1 & 2 (Carefully Placed Box)

Episode Date: July 30, 2023

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan and Francine Carrel, are taking a break from reading and recapping every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series ...in chronological order, and talking about Good Omens season 2! This week, Episodes 1 & 2Flies! Bibles! Record-Based curiosity!TranscriptFind us on the internet:Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodInstagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: thetruthshallmakeyefretpod@gmail.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/thetruthshallmakeyefretWant to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret Discord BBC Radio 4 - Good Omens 10: Good Omens Pt.1 (Castles and Snacks) - TTSMYF 12: Good Omens (TV) Pt.1 (Bicycle Screaming) - TTSMYFGood Omens: Lockdown - YouTube  Neil Gaiman's Tweet about S2/S3 - Twitter  Trigger Happy TV | The Red Fox - YouTube [yes, all right, not a squirrel - F] List of demons in the Ars Goetia - Wikipedia  [See Shax under “Marquises”] Resurrection Man | Thy Last Drop Celesta - Wikipedia Michael Sheen spotted as classic Edinburgh pub renamed while filming in Newington - Edinburgh Evening News Jane Austen, the Captain and the Smugglers of a Tiny Island - Regency Explorer Leviathan | Sea Monster, Biblical Beast & Biblical Sea Creature - Britannica Music: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 My bookshelves are a source of stress to me right now. Oh yeah. Well, I was trying to be harsh and get rid of books that, like, I'm just definitely not going to read again and have no sentimental value. And I've been good about that yet somehow there's still no more space than there was. So I guess you keep buying books. Yeah, I think so. I've taken a very large, I took a very large book off the shelf yesterday and you'll find out why later in the podcast episode.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Well, she had. I love it. But I left it on the desk and then I was organising some stuff today and decided, oh, I could put all of my notebooks that I'm keeping because they've got like poetry and bits of writing and all my notes on coding in. And that fit really nicely on that shelf. And now I've realised the large book I took off the shelf will not fit back on the shelf. Yeah, I've also got the piles of books which I'd prefer not to have. I think the main problem, apart from, you know, the buying of books, has been that my, my ratio of nonfiction to fiction has changed massively and I now have many more nonfiction books
Starting point is 00:00:54 than I used to proportionally. But we only put a side one bookcase for reference. Yeah. And that's just not working anymore. Because it includes like cookbooks, scarring books. Oh, I have a separate shelf just for cookbooks. I've won separate half a shelf for like art and that kind of thing, because they're all big weird sized books. Yeah. All the rest, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Yeah, I have a weird little art and sewing shelf on my like fancy books shelf in my living room because it's the only shelf that's deep enough to fit all of these massive art and sewing books. Yeah. So I just briefly mentioned last week that the secret invasion show sucked, the finale was somehow worse than the rest of the show. Sister Marvel, yeah, that was painfully bad. Sorry about that. But I finished watching season two of the Baron, it was amazing, and it made me very happy. That was a beautiful Taylor Swift moment in it. Oh good. Yeah, a beautiful Taylor Swift moment, Anna. Oh, good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Very beautiful Taylor Swift moment. Oh, thanks. You'd have beautiful Taylor Swift moments, Anna. And Apple TV just released a trailer for season three of the morning show, which I'm really excited for. I love that show. What's that show about? It's Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon working like a morning news program in New York
Starting point is 00:02:02 and like the show. This is in the spoiler. It's literally in the opening minutes of the first episode. It was Jennifer Aniston hosting with this guy played by Steve Carrell, but he gets like, meet to and so it's all the fallout from that and Reese Withers have been coming on board and it's got lots of very talented people in it.
Starting point is 00:02:17 It's an amazing show. Or I think it's amazing, some people think it's quite trash. I don't know how good my taste is, but I like it. I've such a good taste really, as I said. God, no. If you think there is way to hear us talk about good moments. No, John Hans is going to be in the new series. Oh, cool.
Starting point is 00:02:32 I'm very excited about that, because this looks like he'll be playing business suit wearing Dickhead, John Hamm, which is equally delightful. It's a nice contrast. Yes, I mean, two very different flavors of John Hamm in one month. Flavors of Hamm, The worst biography title ever. I'm going to write to John Hamm and ask if I can write this biography now. It's going to be quite a long podcast, isn't it? Yeah, I think this is going to go above our standard length.
Starting point is 00:03:00 I think that may be true of a lot of our good omen's episodes. I think so. So that's okay. That just means we love it. That's alright. It's fine. I'm playing it cool. I'm playing it cool. Do you want to like very chill, cool, whatever, make a podcast? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah, no, I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess we could. Yeah, let's make a podcast. Let's make a podcast. Yes. Hello and welcome to The True Shell Make-E-Fra. Pocos, thank you for pocos, yes. I think my gums. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hello and welcome to The True Show, Make You For A Pocos in which we are usually reading and recapping every book from Toe, Practice, Discworld, Series, and Chronological Order.
Starting point is 00:03:34 But we have taken a break to talk about Good Omen Season 2. I'm Joanna Nagan. And I'm Franck think Carol making excited e-noises. Or it's time, I'm sorry. It's always time for excited e-noises, Francine. As today we're talking about episodes one and two of Good Omen season two. We are, we watched it last night.
Starting point is 00:03:50 It came out just last night. We're already recording. Look at us on the fucking ball. I watched it twice yesterday. We've got hot takes. They are piping hot takes. Now see, this is a thing, sorry, immediately tangent. Hot take to you.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Does that mean like spicy take like a bit out there? Or does it just mean like your initials are on it? I always thought it was the latter, but I'm starting to realize that people are using it as like this is my controversial take. Yeah, I always thought hot take was like either was meant to be some kind of like controversial take or spicy take. Yeah, I think I just missed it out, predator, and I'm just now realizing I've been all like big like poignant thoughts on it. Yeah. All right, well, we have takes. You can decide on that, Amber. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:30 No one spoilers before we crack on. We will not be spoiling any events in the Discworld books while we talk about Good Omen's. So if you are just joining us for Good Omen's, but you might try Discworld afterwards, join us, not a cult yet. You are safe to listen. This will, however, contain spoilers for episodes one and two of Goodamans season two, as well as all of Goodamans season one and the book Goodamans. Yes. But we will
Starting point is 00:04:56 not be spoiling any future episodes of Goodamans season two, especially at the moment as we haven't watched it yet. This is true. And that is even the case in our new Discord, which yes, I fucking sure you all know the segue in there. We just finally started a Discord, by the way, I'll put a link in the show notes, and you can come and discuss all this with us, and we're just like making sure there's no spoilers for any past ones we've already shopped out.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Yay! Yay! So we don't have a previously honest search, but Francine, what happened before Good Omen season two? Well, in the beginning. Ha ha ha ha. Actually, no know fact that's the beginning of season two, isn't it? No, but as season two's before the beginning. So in this timeline, yeah. Good Omen's was first a book. It was Brindby Terry Pratchett, Neil Gaiman, who corresponded by long fun calls and posted floppy disks to each other and all kinds of wonderful
Starting point is 00:05:46 late 80s things like that. It was very sought after even before it's released the right-soldered auction for £150,150.00. Is that how you say that? I think so. I get really weird really at number sometimes. Anyway, it was released by Korgi in 1990. And the idea of a movie kind of ricocheted around Hollywood for many years, it was kind of largely driven by Terry Gilliam, his dreams, which had spotted along for about a decade in the kind of admire of Hollywood nonsense, were killed by 9-11 pretty much because after that no studio really felt like financing and apocalypse comedy, it kind of makes sense. Fracture in Game Man decided, though, about another decade on the Good
Starting point is 00:06:26 Omen's Woodbecome a television program. In 2010, it was adapted and staged at the National Theatre in 2014. It was adapted for radio. But it's a good radio play, by the way. I don't think I've ever listened to it. I think they cameo in it, don't I? Yeah, they, they, they recorded it, like, sat in the back of a car as well, like cameo as like police cops, I think. Amazing, I'll try and find a link to it and then listen to it myself. But Terry unfortunately obviously died very young in 2015 and Neil was not willing to continue with the
Starting point is 00:06:55 television idea. He said everything that was ever written bookmarks and tiny little things, we would always collaborate. Everything was a collaboration. So obviously, no, he said at the time. However, at Fracture's Memorial event in 2016, Gamer revealed that he had received a letter from Terry intended to be delivered after he died, requesting that his co-author write the adaptation alone, quoting from Neil Gamer at the event, at that point, I think I said, you bastard, yes. He did say that, we were there. He was right. So the first season of Godotman was released on Amazon Prime in full in May 2019, despite that fact, some 20,000 people signed a petition calling for Netflix to cancel it.
Starting point is 00:07:41 And apart from the religious objectors, it did receive some mixed reviews, which is hardly a surprise because it kind of invited Ia from both the do not-tops, the sacred text of Goodomans camp, and the, well, all this is a bit silly, isn't it, camp? But a lot of people loved it, including Joanna and I, and it brought a whole new readership to Goodomans, and I imagine two other books in the Terri and Neil birth. So we cover both the book and the first season of Good Omen's in the very early days of this podcast back when we still recorded in person for the pandemic made us weird and hermitish. I'll link to the episodes for that in the show notes and one note, a small bit of media that came out between our first coverage
Starting point is 00:08:21 of Good Omen's and today is the three minutes and 40 seconds Good Omen's lockdown short, if I live on YouTube. Which is a lovely little lesson, isn't it? And now season two, so we're in uncharted waters. Yep. However, it's not untouched by a practic who discussed plot ideas with Gameon well before his death, so we'll see you guys. Yeah, so we've only seen episode one and two so far. That's all we're talking about today. Overall thoughts, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:08:48 I liked it. Yep. Cool. I know it's different. I know it's not as obviously linear, I guess. Yeah. It's hard to say the other one was linear because there was lots of flashbacks.
Starting point is 00:09:00 But this one I feel like we're building a very wide foundation before we get into the plot. Yeah. So the first one had like such a ticking time bomb on it because it starts, you know, really a week before the end of the world as the majority of the story. Yeah. And there's a lot less bouncing around from A-plot to B-plot to C-plot that were all A-plots. Yeah. And I kind of, I'm enjoying it. A lot of what I liked about the first one is still here, just kind of the vibes. The vibes are good. I'm very much enjoying the vibes. It does feel like
Starting point is 00:09:31 definitely very, I don't know, very, it feels separate from like the original Good Owmans and the first season of Good Owmans. Yeah. I'm missing like the lack of narration a bit because that brought so much pratchetiness into it. And also I I just, I liked Francis McDormand as an erater. Yes, which either one, uh, speaking has got at one point. Yeah, that was her as God in that, in that job scene. Yeah, I, I wasn't missing it as I was watching it, actually, but afterwards when I was going back on my, what did I expect notes? I do kind of think, yeah yeah, now I guess some of it could have been
Starting point is 00:10:06 pretty enhanced by that, but it might have been a bit harder as well because it's not as classic a story structure, say far. No, it's definitely not. I think this is fleshing out a lot more and building, like you said, this wider foundation for it. Something Neil Gaiman said on Twitter is, so he
Starting point is 00:10:27 and Terry Pratchett had like a sequel book that they planned out, I think, whilst like you're drunken, I hope tell room at least, but they had like planned a whole sequel. This is not that sequel. This is setting up the events for that sequel and if season three does happen, that will be kind of the story that he and Terry planned together. I see. Yes, because when this season was first announced, it was kind of implied that it was that story. Yeah. So since then, we've kind of learned a bit more. Yeah, and no game has been very vocal about really wanting there to be a season three,
Starting point is 00:10:57 and if he wasn't striking, it would be written by now. I'll try and find a way, but actually can you send me the Twitter link to that? Thunder Vagal just sent that in our Discord, actually. Oh see, thank you, Sunda. Thank you, Sunda Vagal. Doing so much of our work for us, for over a year now. But yeah, no, I've been trying to stay, trying really hard to stay off good homers Twitter. I've already seen some spoilers for the rest of the season, but we won't talk about them here. No, no. And realistically, I'm still, I being slightly spoiled and something really doesn't bother me. That's it.
Starting point is 00:11:26 We're on that end of the spectrum. I'm weird about spoilers. I don't mind knowing that something happens. I don't like knowing how it happens. And I don't like seeing stuff before it happens. Yes. Yes, same. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:36 If I know something, then I can enjoy the buildup. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, we realize that most people are less on that side than we will. We will respect that, absolutely. Yes, we go along. So are less on that side and we will. We will respect that. Absolutely. Yes, we go along. So, let's dive into talking about the episodes themselves starting with episode one, the arrival. The arrival? It begins before the beginning and we see Crowley in a zero-fell meet for the first time when Crowley, at Angel Crowley, with his hair and his white robes,
Starting point is 00:12:02 cranks up the universe with a 0.0 thumbs help. Yeah, unwitting help even better. I see, a 0.0 thumbs and crawl out again, and to see Angel Crowley. Yeah, that was interesting. I wasn't expecting that. I didn't think of the fact that they probably met before the... The Godnaviedon. Yeah, but obviously they would have.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Yeah, cross paths or flights, I won't be called it. Flight paths. But yeah, it's, Crowley's definitely still got that manic energy that he's putting into it, but I think he's done a good job of altering his character to be pre-fallen. There's something I notice actually, one of the things he does in altering his character is like the angel version, is he sounds a bit like posh-er. And I notice that's the thing between the angels and demons in general, like the angels tend to have these like poshure British accents, whereas the demons have a lot
Starting point is 00:12:52 more like sort of East Londony accents, apart from shacks. And sometimes quite put on East Londony accents, but yeah, that's just, I'm afraid that is just the reality, isn't it? I've never known someone who sounds like us do a decent job of an East End accent. So I'm not going to try. No, no, it's best we don't. So yeah, I wonder how much is some sort of weird and like heaven and hell aren't strictly good and bad guys. That's a lot of what good ones is diving into, but I do think there's like a bit of a
Starting point is 00:13:19 weird class thing there. Yeah, definitely, definitely. So what I was watching those two, my first thought was this is like two different types of science at a STEM organization. It was David Tennant being the engineer and Michael Schoen being the anthropologist or the sociologist. They're just incredibly interested in very different parts of this budding universe. Yeah, I love how he describes it as that it's basically a star factory. It's more or less isn't it? I thought like before they even cranked up the universe, just the fact it was kind of this like neural networks looking thing, which
Starting point is 00:13:48 is obviously very cool, it's that, you know, that's a very basic universe, that kind of thing, as above so below. And then, yeah, they're very cool aesthetic of like the old looking touchment and the, oh, it's gorgeous. I'm so hyped. So yeah, so ZeroFell tells Crowley that he's heard this whole thing is getting knocked down in about 6,000 years, which Crowley's not too happy about. No. And it's interesting that they know different amounts of what's going on, I guess. You get the feeling that maybe Crowley's just not paid attention. Yeah, like he's one of those people who's got so hyper-focused on the details of this
Starting point is 00:14:23 core project he's working on. He's not listening to much about the bigger picture of what he's working on this project. Yeah. And it's like before he's even got to know any humans, so it's not like he's wanting to save the humans for the sake of it, but he's like, if these guys are going to be the ones appreciating all of this, can we not give them time to see it properly and give them a decent view?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Yeah. What have I done this then? It's like someone who's been tasked with making a particular part of the video game and they've worked really intensely on a mechanic to say pick up certain things in a certain way and then they find out it's going to be used in maybe two scenes total. Yeah. And then it gets cut from the game. Yeah. And then straight away we're into the kind of what I assume is going to be the main, one of the main underlying themes of here, which is much trouble, can I get in for just asking a few questions? I love the idea of a suggestion box as the beginning of his downfall. The divine suggestion box. This felt very practical to me.
Starting point is 00:15:17 The whole bit about just asking a few questions. That kind of problem with authority. Yeah, and this is a running theme through both of the episodes. I think it's a running theme through the season is, um, Crowley and Free Will versus the Zero Fall and Free Will and how they just come at it from such completely different angles. Yes. So then we go into London and the present day. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we just have to, we have to mention the Wing umbrella,
Starting point is 00:15:43 don't we? Oh, the Wing umbrella. Yeah, little's very back to the last season, being sheltered from stardust. Yeah, and sort of knocking off a little bouncing, comis, or meteor, whatever it is. Also the way a Xerophile looks at Crowley in those scenes and they're sort of very clear beginning of like a burgeon and crush. Yeah. And it's a particularly relatable sort of, wow, this person is,
Starting point is 00:16:09 they've got no idea because they're busy with their thing, but wow, this person. Yeah, and like massively relate. And it's like so high-faced on something they're really good at and just into it and you're just like, oh, that's attractive. And it's one of the most attractive things in the world. Yeah. So sorry, rocketing forwards,
Starting point is 00:16:29 6,000 in a bit years, I guess. So in London the present day, and this is us catching up with the ZeroFell and Crowley and where they've been since the end of season one, borrowing the lockdown short. And yeah, so a ZeroFell goes to visit Maggie at the record shop across the road and forgive her rent in exchange for some Shostakovich records, I practice saying Shostakovich and I'm still not sure I said it right. Well, it's entirely my fault for not collecting the rent.
Starting point is 00:16:53 It's so sweet in that scene. He's like trying to do a nice thing and he's actually very awkward when he directly tries to do a nice thing. Yeah, absolutely. And at the same time, I think he doesn't understand the magnitude of the nice thing he's doing. Yeah. It's kind of like on the same. I was like, no, I've got this round. Don't worry about it. Yeah, that's all right. No, I'm just going to get rid of this financial burden that's been worrying you for weeks, especially the way he kind of does that and 75 pence and 75 pence. So this is Maggie played by Maggie Service who played sister Teresa Garilus in season one of Goodomans and her and Nina Susania were both nuns who've been brought back to play new parts.
Starting point is 00:17:30 But I like she mentions part of the reason she struggled with rent is the lockdowns and we talked about like I think back in 2020 when TV gets made post-COVID do we want it to address that COVID happened or not? Yeah and here's why the timeline splits again. Yeah. And in Goodamins, it makes sense. They did that lockdown short. So, you know, if you consider that like a canon event, then of course, now here, we're going to acknowledge it in some way. Yeah. So I like that shows are like allowing it to exist in a way where it doesn't need to be a plot, but it can be there in the background and a fact of life. I think that that worked. So we go to Crowley who is experiencing a misunderstanding at St James's Park on the bench.
Starting point is 00:18:10 I absolutely love that one. The clarinet makes beautiful music. Do you remember Trigger Happy TV? vaguely. There's a scene in that that Jack reminded me of what we were watching this where a spy sits next to somebody on the bench and says something similar and then like oh are you not the gray squirrel and he goes no, I was like outside wrong bench and then the end of the scene is this giant squirrel costume walking in and sitting down on a very silliness but I like how deep this trope goes into our national consciousness. Well there's a little bit of it in guards guards, the Pratchabuck as well, where they're mixing up the secret code phrases. Like, oh, you want the
Starting point is 00:18:50 elucidated brethren of the brotherhood of night. Yeah. Tendors down, mate. Yeah, and we get a little what's the point of it all as well on the vent, which is. Crowley gets existential again. I thought about starting it tally, but I think it'll just run off the end of the notebook all the time we've been able to say. It'll be go about as well as our days since the existential crisis board did. It's somewhere. The board itself had an existential crisis and had to be sent on holiday. Exactly. So Crowley's meeting up with Shaq's replacement, the Hell's New Represents of London, which is an interesting system. Yeah, we're getting a bit of the bureaucracy here. It was sort of, probably just hangs around earth and does the things that, you know, hell expects, which is tough to people and what have you. Makes you wonder if there's more representatives?
Starting point is 00:19:40 Yeah, do you think like, is it just major cities to small towns get like shitty little demon representatives or do the ones who operate in cities like also do towns and villages surrounding? Maybe we'll find out. We are as we had hoped. We are seeing quite a lot of the bureaucracy. Yay! Shax is played by Miranda Richardson who again was in the first season as Madam Tracy and
Starting point is 00:20:00 was doing a very different character here and I'm very happy she's here. Yeah, as we mentioned in our last episode, it's a very British TV thing to bring an actor back for a new season, just in a different role. Yeah, and we're at a Richardson, like she played Queenie and season two of Blackadder. She appeared in one episode as a highwayman in the third season of Blackadder
Starting point is 00:20:20 and then appeared in the fourth season as, I should watch she in the fourth season. I don't remember, she was definitely in the fourth. Anyway, sorry, I am D.V. page, not with standing. So next we see Maggie going over to give me coffee or give me death. Nina's coffee place around over the road for her skinny latte. Skinny latte.
Starting point is 00:20:40 So this is Nina, it's Nina Sasagna, who was systemary garrulous. Yes. Obviously, we immediately start shipping the two of them, as soon as we see them interacting, the coffee shop. Yeah, it's not subtle. It's not subtle. No, not even a little bit.
Starting point is 00:20:56 But they get interacted, interrupt it, because there's a naked man with a box wandering down the street. I thought that this naked man with a box wouldn't attract quite as much attention as he did in the episode there. I feel like something would happen to maybe stop the naked naked man other than just a huge crowd forming around the naked man especially. We're in Soho. That's it. That's it. In this particular part of London. However, maybe not people like TikTok. We did get to see John Ham's full ass, which I'm not sure I expected in the first episode,
Starting point is 00:21:27 but no, yeah, it was not obsessed about. Just gone straight forward, yeah. So he's got this carefully placed box. And I have a question here. So he goes to a zero fells door, asked to be let in, puts the box down. And then when a zero says no, he turns around and everyone's very shocked. So, and Jellic Jenett all question. Uh-huh. Because it's established, less so in the TV show, but at least in the book, the Angels are somewhat sexless.
Starting point is 00:21:52 And this is fairly common around stories about angels that they are sexless in some way. Is there a penis or is he smooth down there like a candle? Because I feel like the crown's reaction would have been very different if he was smooth like a candle. Does Gabriel have a visible penis? I don't know. I would have expected smooth like a candle, but perhaps whatever has cast him down to earth.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Because the thing is, they've taken on corporeal forms, haven't they? True. So I don't know. I mean, my basis for questioning this is entirely Alan Rickman in dogma who pulls down his trousers to reveal Smith like a candle and announces angels are ill equipped. Great film. More people should watch dogma. But nobody can quite do that like Alan Rickman can they? So I don't know. Maybe we'll find out. Maybe we'll find out if they real has a visible penis. But I feel like we all needed to at least have the question on our minds as we go forward. Yeah. Yes. Listeners, do not doubt for a second that we did wander about it. I will say so in the second episode when he sort of has that memory, but one memory and then
Starting point is 00:22:54 goes, oh no, there's not room for that. My head anymore, I feel like that implies that maybe he's been put into some kind of human forms of those angel appearing humanoid. Yeah, this is what I'm thinking. Yeah. So maybe that. He got the purple flicker in his eyes, but I don't know. I don't know. I'll think of a flicker, actually. That's a note I've got just here. Did you notice a bunch of old,
Starting point is 00:23:16 styly film flickering every now and then? It's very subtle if it was, like Jack didn't catch it, but I've got a few times. And it's either my eyes are going weird or there's like a little effect there. Or your TV is playing up. I don't think it's my TV. I'd be very odd for it to play up in an old film way. Anyway, so then we go, we briefly see Michael in heaven, the Archangel Michael played by
Starting point is 00:23:43 Doom McKichan, who I fucking love in the show. Yes. Who I love in general, she's very funny and she tends to play these sort of somewhat looking down on you type character. She was in plebs, which is a great little comedy show I highly recommend. I don't know if I've watched that. It's like a very, it's kind of like the in-betweeners, but set in ancient Rome and also not as gross as the in-betweeners. Oh, cute. Okay. It's a fun little watch. I think it's on ITV.
Starting point is 00:24:10 But yes, she's threatening extreme sanctions on the phone, which is a fun set up that gets paid off later on. Yes. Yeah, again, very diplomatic, bureaucratic, whatever, but then you learn, of course, that the stakes are much higher. But yeah. These kind of people. Yeah. Then we go back to the bookshop, a 0-Fell realises just how empty Gabriel's brain is right now. Yes, a lovely time with this hot chocolate though. I know, I like that he's done the whole these and my first memories thing,
Starting point is 00:24:39 like, you know, terrible things have happened to me, my arm day, and I put them down, and I was cold now I have this neat blanket. Yeah, it's that whole thing we've talked arm day, and I put them down, and I was cold, now I have this neat blanket. Yeah, it's that all thing we've talked about before, and we like, the idea of like, two toddlers, this happening to them is the worst thing ever, because it is the worst thing they've ever experienced. And then getting a blanket and a hot chocolate, and it's doing one thing here, and one thing here,
Starting point is 00:24:58 and another thing here, Oh, that's cool. But he explains he's come to the bookshop because he just knew if he was there, everything would be alright. And you get that great line of, do you ever feel like everything would be better if you were just near one particular person and the look on a zero-fells face before he says no. Get the old stutter.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Bit wistful. A hint of, a hint of wist. And Gabriel says that something is terrible coming and the thing that he had in the box is the only hope that the box is now empty. Yes. And was it always? Was it always? Who stole the doorstep if not? If you're going to steal it, why would you open the box and take the, well, I suppose if you had nefarious intentions, that's what you do. If you were just randomly stealing it, you just take the box, wouldn't you?
Starting point is 00:25:44 Yeah. Not that I'd steal boxes off doorsteps. See, I still maybe, but he'd forgotten whatever it was because there was the material object thing, but then I thought, no, because his arms were aching. Yeah, so it must have been heavy. Side note, how embarrassed do you think John Ham is or do you think he is at all walking through a street like that with everyone looking at him? I feel like not much at all. I imagine he's quite a confident man. I wonder if we're finding his few with him. We should keep an eye out for that. And yeah, then Shaxe's Physics Crowley's car, which appears to be where Crowley is also living. Did we look into the name Shaxe, by the way? I meant, see when I didn't, did he? No, I didn't look up the name Shacks. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:26 It might just be cool. It's got next in it, it makes it cool. Powerful upper level demon with wind-based abilities. Might, yeah, might be canon then. Cool. And yeah, Shacks updates Crowley, Gabriel's missing. She already mentioned back in the bench scene that something is up downstairs.
Starting point is 00:26:43 No, something is going down upstairs. And it's up downstairs. I need a chart. I need a visual depiction. I can't cope with this. I might literally make you one. That might be fun. So we go back to the bookshop, a zero-file on Gabriel and the box is empty. Gabriel takes the name Jim, which is quite nice because the book by someone called Jim that right next to it is Treasure Island on the shelf. Oh. Where his main character name is, it's also Jim.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Oh, no, there you go. So you got two Jim's for your money there. Fantastic. Which is short for James, which is short for Gabriel, as well, no. And as a, as a, as a focal scroll, and ask them to go for coffee, also we see Gabriel like swassing a fly that's buzzing around the book shop, and I want to put a pin in that. Oh, oh, be able to be.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I think because there's another scene with him swassing a fly with, not just a Bible, but it's the, I can't remember what it's called, it was a great little Easter egg. There's a Bible mentioned in Book 1 of Goodomans that was something like the Untimely Bible, because thou shalt commit adultery was in there, and it seems to be that Bible that he's swatting the fly with. It's a unique lesson, doesn't he? Yeah, I do wonder if the fly is buzzing around the bookshop or some hint of like, beels of upspying or something. Interesting. Yeah, because otherwise, why have that as a detail?
Starting point is 00:28:10 Exactly. Okay. And we don't know. And then we briefly get the scene in heaven of the angel we later find out her name is Muriel finding the matchbox. Yes, the sprivener. Yes. So the matchbox itself, obviously you've got that job quote there. And, handily. Oh, you have the Bible, Lily, good? Yes. I've got a large handy Bible, which I just hit myself in the face with. That's my thing, that's possibly the least handy Bible I've ever seen. That's huge. And I was resentful about keeping it, because it wouldn't come in handy. But look at me now, this is one of many Bibles I have in the house. I was going to say, why don't you just go
Starting point is 00:28:49 go there we go. Yeah. It's the actual quote is in a slightly different position in my Bible, it's first 10 out of its mouth, go false lamps like torches of lighted fire according to this Bible. But it's to do with God describing Leviathan, it's part of this poetic discourse in the story of Job, which we see a bit of in the next episode. Leviathan the whale in this case. Yes, okay, right, yeah, good. Some kind of large seam on story situation,
Starting point is 00:29:17 but did you notice where the matchbox is from? Resurrectionist. Yes, yes. Okay, so then as Irof Allen Crowley go for coffee and Nina asks about the naked man and they go back to the shop But before we get to like see them continuing on we see Maggie popping in and giving Nina the Nina Simone Lp And it's something very weird and tense and awkward between them. I'm finding it difficult to watch Yeah, coming a they're not doing the acting badly, but it feels like that because they're playing
Starting point is 00:29:45 awkward people so well. Yes. And I think maybe I just feel personally attacked, and that's my problem, not there. Yeah. But trying to flirt by giving an awkward gift that the person wouldn't want much like a toddler presenting you with a favorite rock. I've got absolutely really clear memories of that as well. Yeah, same. I made a lot of people make CDs. Anyways, we go into the bookshop and Crowley meets Jim, and he's fucking furious. It's great. Yes. Yeah, you don't often see him like that angry just directly at a zero fail, I think.
Starting point is 00:30:22 It took like three or four episodes of the first season of Good Home, and it's to get angry Crowley and angry with a zero fail, I think. It took like three or four episodes of the first season of Goodomans to get angry Crowley and angry with a zero fail Crowley. And here we're getting it like right in the first episode. And David Tennant does it so well. He does. He's just got, he's got a Facebook and for drama. He does.
Starting point is 00:30:37 He does his stature as well. He's just, yeah. He always looks like David Tennant, but always in this slightly different character way. I love it. Actually, when he pulls on Prime, Meena, you get that, um, the magnifying glass, whatever. It shows you pictures of their IMDb.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Yeah. No, I paused it at some point. My notice, like Michael Sheen's headshot was quite different, obviously, from a zero fail on. And um, the, there was like a full length picture of David tenant standing on some fucking flip top with his coat going behind him. I was like, literally, you look like a zero fail and Doctor Who and he's got such a silhouette. He's got like a really elastic face. The only way I can describe it, he can kind of ping pong between
Starting point is 00:31:16 these incredible expressions. The Nott and Jim Carreyway. Yeah, like not in a creepy way. I also really love the score. Like I love the score across the whole thing. It's so great. And it's really nice to watch something fully scored because not a lot of the stuff I watch is like that these days. Yeah. And I just think the score in this, it's David Gianald, he does some incredible stuff,
Starting point is 00:31:36 but just little moments like when Crowley really furiously shouts, what are you doing here at Gabriel? And he does that, I'm dusting. And there's an accompanying little tinkle that demonstrates dusting. Oh, I'm gonna try and pay more attention to that in the next episode.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Yeah, I just know I like the music that I should try and listen to the... I like the music. And like I said, I'm just really enjoying listening to something that has such a like cared for school because I don't think a lot of shows really get that. Like, it's not the only show that has a score. Yeah. But a score that's clearly sort of being made by someone who cares about the content and is doing it in such a really, really specific way. But yes,
Starting point is 00:32:16 I currently wants to get rid of Gabriel, but as a Zerophel wants to help him and says, probably, you know, leave if you're not not gonna help me. And like actually seeing them fight properly is brilliant. It's definitely, yeah, a, seeing the fight properly and it's kind of heart wrenching, but it's like, I feel like as there are a lot more confident in their relationship now that he can be like, okay, fine, go. Yeah, and like, even if he does,
Starting point is 00:32:40 he doesn't think he'll never see Kroly again like in the last thing when they don't get. Well, the thing is as well, I think we've seen, we saw their relationship change from the beginning to the end of good omen's like obviously we see their whole relationship through history in good omen's, but in good omen season one. And the book talks about it a bit, but in the show, you really see them kind of become tied together by what they've done to prevent the apocalypse.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah. And before that, I think there were friends who did favors for each other and hung out a bit because that was fun. Yeah. And Luneau. Yeah. And now they're kind of in this thing where they're both separated from the sides that they were ostensibly working for up to the end of Goodomans. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:19 There's a way they're in the right mind together. Yeah. And there's a great moment where Crowley says something about the fragile life he's carved out for himself. And as Eric has like, I thought it was what we had carved out for ourselves. Yeah. This kind of imbalance between them and how they're looking at whatever their relationship is. Yeah, I think possibly it's more Kroly not missing it than not feeling it though. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think Crowley is, I don't mean self-absorbed in a bad way, but he's lived as it is somewhat independent for longer because he already did the falling from heaven there.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Yeah, and he's already been hugely betrayed by his side. Yeah, and there's going to be more of a fortress up there. And then he was never like super in it with Hal. He just kind of went along and did his own thing. Yeah. Because he could most of the time, because humans were doing all the nasty stuff for themselves, which Shaxx points out as well.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Yeah. Got to have a bit of fun with the M25 and then. Generally, oh, doing stuff like tying up the mobile phone lines. Yeah. He was actually more like a mischief god than a agent of Satan. Yeah, that's sort of a lie. A agent phone lines. Yeah, he was actually more like a mischief god than a agent of sleepiness.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Yeah, whereas Erufail is kind of readjusting to a different life where now Crowley, he's not welcome among heaven. And Crowley is the one person he's got on his side. Yeah. He's doing good, but he's not part of the higher plan. Yeah. And Crowley kind of early on, when you see Maggie, like thanking a Erufail in front of Crowley, and Crowley sort of early on when you see Maggie like thanking a zero fell in front of Crowley
Starting point is 00:34:45 and Crowley sort of teases him for doing good deeds. Yeah. So yeah, I thought the fight between them was really great. And then Crowley storms off and he's furious and strikes lightning in the street and at least to the coffee shop lock-in. Yeah. You're smoking in the street. It's fine, it's not legal. You're smoking in the street. It's fine, it's not legal. It's a terrible, fun moment. Yeah. Before we get to the coffee shop, though, we get going back to heaven. And this is a really great conversation between Michael and Yuriel about this sort of power structure thing and this power vacuum
Starting point is 00:35:16 because Gabriel's missing. But yeah, I love this idea of Michael, that infuriating thing that someone does, where they're like, actually, I'm being very reasonable, and I don't see why you need to argue with me. Yeah. Yeah. And sort of claiming the power that's happening
Starting point is 00:35:31 in this power vacuum, trying to sort of take the top spot while very politely explaining that they're just doing their duty. It's another bit that felt very practical to me this whole like, yeah, we're all equal, but I'm in charge. Yeah. That felt like an approach to you thing. And we've talked a lot of as well about what, especially with equal, but I'm in things. Yeah, definitely. And then how they regress into their kind of true base natures when understriced, yeah,
Starting point is 00:36:11 which is similar here. So we also, yeah, we meet Miriel properly in the scene who's played by Kellyn Zipolvida. I hope I've got that right. And Sarah Kel, played by Liz Car. Yeah, new character. Yes, both new. Both new? Did we Liz Car. Yeah, a new character. Yes. Both new. Both new? Did we not have... We had Uriel before, we didn't have Muriel before. Oh yes, of course, sorry.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Muriel is the skillful. Muriel and Muriel. Yes. Great couple of names to have and a group of five. Well, definitely not fuck those up at any point in while talking about Goodamans. So while they're discussing the matchbox, you get B.L.s about playing a visit to Crowley, which is why again, I've got my fly related suspicions because this very handily reminds everyone that B.L.s about his Lord of the Flies and likes to appear in a cloud of flies, which was a
Starting point is 00:36:56 horrible gross that felt very Neil Gaiman. Now the bit, the resurrectionists, I'm sure you know this, but were body snatchers as well. Yes. So they were like, back in hair. I think when I'm just resurrectionists, that's another little horror. I'm in any moment. Briefly spent a long time researching. Briefly spent a long time. At one point I spent a long time researching, fixed to re-enbody snatchers for the Mary
Starting point is 00:37:23 Shelley fights Zombies' story I was playing with. Oh yeah, fun. That was disgusting, but a local band that we like has a good song called Resurrection Man. Oh yeah. Anyway, so yeah, Biel's Bob was Sting Crowley. And the New Biel's Bob. New Biel's Bob, Shelley Con. Last season it was Anna Maxwell-Martin. And I do like the acknowledge, like starting your face. Yeah, that's acknowledge, like, it's that new face. Yeah, that's right, just don't worry about it. Yeah. I think there wasn't any drama.
Starting point is 00:37:50 It was just like Anna Maxwell, Martin wasn't available, but they didn't want to not have BLs above. Shelly Cohn, you might know from Bridgerton. Oh, it's Lady Mary Sharma. So in the last season of Bridgerton, she was the mother of the two girls. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Oh, didn't recognize her at all. No, I wouldn't have known if I hadn't looked at the IMTV page. We had a Facebook flies contend to pass. Compared to a frequency dress, yeah. Two very different flavors. Ah, the two gender's, Regency dress flies. Yes. So, Beerswabs offering all this stuff to Crowley in exchange for him
Starting point is 00:38:30 sort of getting a hold of Gabriel offering him a Duke, to let him be a Duke of Hell. They're really showing their kind of weekend on it, they're possibly bluffing, double bluffing with it, but they seem to be like, yeah, we'll give you whatever you want, which is very not hell as we knew it. She does get threatened as well, because she gets warned of extreme sanctions, and this is where we learn what big extreme sanctions are, which is a ratio from the book of life. You are not and never have been.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Yeah, which is great because it got established at the end of the first season, which is great because it got established at the end of the first season how Crowley and Zerophel could get a you know outweigh their various crypto nights by pretending to be each other. Yeah. So this sets a alright where you can't pretend to be each other to get out of the book of life. It's right. It puts a more tangible threat over that head. Yeah. I'm thinking, where else have I seen, like the punishment be, you don't exist and never have? And I'm now thinking, is that a doctor who's? I'm sure it's been used many times, but it's just, it's really about something.
Starting point is 00:39:36 No, it's not doctor who is with the weeping angels. They send you back in time and live yourself to death and they live off the displaced time energy. Yeah. So you don't exist and you never have existed. I know that's like a thing in some bit of popular media. Uh, listeners answers on a postcard. Before I cease to have existed. No, no, it's not a Terry Bradget thing, but it's, it's, it's sort of feels like something
Starting point is 00:39:59 the order is. It feels like it's got something to do with the auditors. Yeah. What happens after that? Oh, yeah, we've got the coffee shop lock-in and the awkward conversation. Yes. The main note I've got from this is I really liked
Starting point is 00:40:13 the text display technique. So I always noticed in any monash thing where they have to show a text from somebody on screen. I was making note of how they do it. Some ways it's very obviously aged, very quickly in some ways, a nice and clean. I thought this was very interesting and cool, actually, just having it off on paper.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Yeah, looking like Hannah and notes, I thought that was a good detail. I like that because it is more ageless. You're right, some of them do age very quickly. Also, if you're going to do a thing where you show someone's phone screen and see them getting a text from someone they clearly talked to all the time, there needs to be previous messages there. Yes, yes. That drives me mad. No real reason, it's fine, but it really
Starting point is 00:40:54 acts me. Yeah, it's a little detail. Come on guys, you text. But I think this scene is where I realise the Maggi and Nina characters aren't super working for me in this and it's not just the awkwardness between them. And it's no shade on the actors. I really like them both and I think they're both doing a really good job. I think the issue I found, especially in the first episode, is it felt like this is a B plot and it's not really tied to the A plot. And obviously the second episode brings them in to the main plot, which is, you know, probably in a Zerefail need to get them together. Yeah. The thing is, in the book, good moments,
Starting point is 00:41:27 in the first season, good moments, all the B-plot characters, so you're new in anathema and you're shardful and you're mad and track. They all had something to do for the end goal. They had to actively participate in getting to the ending, whether they knew it or not. Yeah, I'm wondering if that is going to be the case soon.
Starting point is 00:41:44 I am, but even through the second episode, they don't feel like active participants in the plot. Yeah. They feel like characters that exist for something to happen to, and I'm not adjoining them. Yeah, and they don't. I know the whole point of the kids, the them, was that they had quite normal little lives,
Starting point is 00:42:01 but they were living in this fancy land, and that's quite fun. And these two, especially in comparison to the only other two main characters have incredibly boring lives. And also I think a little bit this whole set up of Nina's in clearly an abusive relationship like Lindsay is clearly a dickhead. Yeah, and that feels so so obvious that I'm waiting for a big plot twist there. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe not. It just feels a bit too blatant, especially for it to be in the first episode. I mean, is it, does it need to be anything but this is just showing that she's in a bad relationship?
Starting point is 00:42:37 I just feel like you could be more subtle about she's in a bad relationship than immediately saying, yeah, my partner is really fucking horrible to me. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. For me, it was sort of a, it seems like an obvious, ah, look here, we have an obstacle, but also no one will be upset if that relationship ends because clearly she needs to not be with this person. Yeah. Yeah. Could have been a bit more subtle than look at all these abusive texts from this person. That's true. That was, yeah, plastered all over the screen. Yeah. Especially with the character that, like,
Starting point is 00:43:08 we haven't spent enough time with to really decide if we like, and I do like her as a character. I love her doing the gestures to herself to remember the coffees and things. But I don't care about her that much yet, because she's not been on screen very long and she's not been incredibly compelling. Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:23 No, I definitely see what you mean. We'll have to see how that compelling. Yes. No, I definitely was here with you. We'll have to see how that evolves. Yeah. Anyway, back to the bookshop. Crowley does an apology dance. Yeah, well the phone was out of it. I don't know, but it made me very happy and I liked it. I want to know how that came up into the script.
Starting point is 00:43:41 I want to know whether that was done, especially just to make David Tennant do a little dance. I want it to be that him and Michael Sheen were fucking about and then it became a thing. This is yeah, yeah. No shade on the writers. Not everything needs to be improvised writers do lovely work, but just for that. Yeah, because it's just the fact it doesn't seem to tie into anything else to. No, although there's a list of times as her if else done the apology dance and obviously I think we're going to get more flashbacks, so I'm wondering if we'll... Yeah, that's true. A stabless scene, Michael.
Starting point is 00:44:14 ...do the same dance. I really hope we get to see Michael Shane do the apology dance. New TikTok brand. So they do the half a miracle each to hide Gabriel from the occult forces and it seems to work. Yes. I like the phrase half a miracle for like a song name or a book name for the way. Oh yeah, that'd be a good book name. Anyway, I'm not going to start writing fiction live on the podcast. Good. Thank you. Gabriel's little moment when he's sort of like, oh, I know things now. I know no outside. And I have two friends. Two friends. He's got two friends and he's really excited about his two
Starting point is 00:44:51 friends and he's very sweet when he's this date, when he's this Gabriel. So the final scene, alarm start going off in heaven because there's been a massive miracle on earth, which I'm speculating Gabriel contributed to the half a miracle each without really intending to, which is why there's this archangel sized miracle. Well, it's going to be one of those things, isn't it? Gabriel is contributed. It takes a lot more than they thought to hide in archangel. Yeah. Or there's some very sweet and tweeting about when those two work together, it makes amazing miracles. Or like because ones's a devil and one's an angel, they're somehow acting on each other exponentially.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, then we get the closing credits, which... I didn't want to show you a text about it too late. So, what? So, you know how in the closing credits reach episode, just like with last episode last season, David Gianald has done like a slightly different arrangement of the theme. I didn't know that because Prime just skips it automatically.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Yeah, it was only the I think the second time I watched that I decided to watch the credits in case there was anything. So David Gianald does like a slightly different arrangement of the good I'm and seem that kind of fits somehow with the tone of the episode. But what he's done with this is that theme goes into some bits from every day by buddy Holly. Oh nice. It's a little detail. It's not like a huge plot thing, but listen, if you haven't actually listened to the full credits, yeah, go and do so. Okay, I will. So, on to episode two, the clue featuring the minisode, a companion to ours. Yes, these are title episodes, are they? featuring the mini-sode, a companion to Owls. Yes.
Starting point is 00:46:25 These are title episodes, are they? Yeah, this is a weird thing. So they saw Neil Gaiman on, like, Twitter and Tumblr talking a little bit about these mini-sodes and how that sort of episodes were in episodes and run by different people. So this was John Phenomore. He's also co-executed to produce this season.
Starting point is 00:46:42 I've been working on it. But I don't know. I didn't, if it hadn't been referred to as a mini-sode, a companion, well, even after I watched the episode, I was a bit sort of, I'm going to check on Google which bit was meant to be the mini-sode. Yeah. And I realized it was, you know, going into the story and coming out of the story and that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:47:02 But it feels like if Neil Gaiman wasn't on strike, this would have been like more of the marketing and coming out of the story and that makes sense but it feels like if Neil Gaiman wasn't on strike this would have been like more of the marketing and how the season was talked about. Yeah yeah I mean so yeah it hadn't crossed my awareness at all. Yeah so it felt I don't know it sat a little bit weirdly for me. Still I didn't know about it so it didn't bother me. Still, I didn't know about it, so it didn't bother me. Okay, so we open in 2500 BC and Crowley's sacrificing goats as you do. Yes, oh, little goat. Little goats, little baby goats so much. Land of us.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Yes, we're in the land of us. And a zero fell interrupts, but Crowley has a permit. He does, and he's also got incredible glasses. He does have incredible glasses. Loving Crowley sunglasses throughout this as always, but these ones are my favourite so far. So this is the first time they've seen each other since Noah, which was one of the flashbacks we saw
Starting point is 00:47:58 in that half-hour call open. Yes, in season one of Good Omen's, episode three. And I feel like the know-a-bits relevant because one of the things Crowley says in that know-a-scene when a Zerophiles explaining that there's going to be a flood is even the little kids, not the kids. That's going to come back. It's where they debate the ethics of killing children in this episode. Yeah, and like, yes, there's Michael Sheen, isn't it? Who goes, the children. But yeah, but it was
Starting point is 00:48:28 Crowley and in the know a bit. Yes, so that was one of Crowley's moments of, right, so God's a dick then. Yeah, I did also love the my machine shouting, a font repeatedly at Crowley, which is that's a project thing. It's an Eric thing. That's an Eric thing. Yes. Before, of all the Terry Pratchett books to reference, I believe when we talked about Eric, I was wondering if a vaunt was actually a thing or not, and I don't think we have bothered finding out. Let's say yes. We didn't chase up on a lot from Eric.
Starting point is 00:49:02 And yeah, then still in this 2005 and ABC timeline, we go to heaven and Muriel sort of goes over the contract, the Job contract. The pandemic. Yeah, and explain to the bet that Satan and God have got going about Job. Yeah. It's another bit of bureaucracy evil. Yeah, on top of just straight up evil. Yeah. And Gabriel does this whole explanation that Jope's going to get everything back double, including the seven new children. And it's nice as much as I was talking about, you know, really looking forward to Dungeon, how the season is also nice to see him playing dickhead Gabriel. Yeah, but definitely still with the naivety around the edges. Yeah, they can, they can have any size.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Ribs, ribs are, yeah, ribs are on the path, I'm not going to admit I might not know everything. Yeah, yeah. Just one of my favourite methods of dickishness. And doing the fact that scroll back on Earth, they unwound itself all around the mountains and everything like that, I thought it was a nice little fun. Yeah, that was a really fun little DJ. So, yeah, so back to present day, and Gabriel explains his new filing system of filing every book by the first letter of the first sentence, which makes perfect sense. Yeah, Jack and I were trying to work out like where everything would be, like at the housing would be, fortunately, I see you got A, T and I obviously, to work out like where everything would be like at the housing could be fortunately, I see you got a T and I obviously I think would be the
Starting point is 00:50:27 main ones. Yeah, that's sort of the running joke through is that the it shelf is gotten. Yeah, there's spread around half the bookshelf. Yeah, just trying to work out apart from those that wander water the most common words that it starts with. I expect somebody's done something about that. Yeah, listen, send us graphs, send us spreadsheets. Francine, don't make a spreadsheet.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Putting my pen down there. Can we do it just the Terry Pratchett? No. Maybe at the end. We'll be back and just discuss the first word of each book. We put all the first words together of each Pratchett book in order. It's the kind of horrific sentence we got. It's at this point that Gabriel's singing every day, right? Yeah, this is, is there a fellow to make some kind of noise because he's being too
Starting point is 00:51:14 creepy and quiet and after making some wonderful creaking and groaning noises, he starts singing every day? That's, yeah, that's in my head now forever. It's been on and off in my head since the trailer. It's a lovely song. I love that they're using it in the series, but they couldn't have picked something more fucking earwormy could they? No.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Fun fact, by the way, the song has a Celeste, or something, a Celeste in something like that in it, which is like a block and feel X-ray type X-ray, Silophone type thing. Wow, my brain is just fucking playing Crossword with itself today. Yeah, one of the things in that is heavenly instrument. Excellent. I'm gonna start a band called Glock and Spear X-ray. Love that. So we get a brief, um, Shaxe popping into threatened attempt to threaten Krolo. I'm asking about this big miracle because everyone's clocked it.
Starting point is 00:52:21 And then we get a zero-file going to see Maggie who is not crying over Nina, definitely not. So she explains that it's every day by Buddy Holly and Norman Pessie and she gives them a copy of the single and explains that there's a pub by Buddy Holly and Norman Pessie and she gives them a copy of the single and explains that there's a pub in Edinburgh with a jukebox that turns every record into every day. Yes. Little Queen moment. Yeah, so for people who watch the show and not read the book, there's a joke in the book
Starting point is 00:52:38 that every tape, because it's tapes in 1990, but obviously it comes with these, left in a car for more than two weeks, turns into Queen's greatest hits and that's why in 1990, but obviously it comes CDs. Left in a car for more than two weeks turns into Queen's greatest hits, and that's why in the first season you have Queen playing as Crowley drives. Well, same in this season actually, I did notice that. We've only had one so far. Yeah, but it was Queen. Old-fashioned lover boy.
Starting point is 00:52:57 A couple of scenes from now. So yeah, that's extent... I'm wondering if we're going to get more in the car or not, whether they're going to move the concept up to this shoot box in Edinburgh or the record's turning into every day by Buddy Holly. I do also like in the background of that scene, playing in the record shop is you don't have to say you love me by Dusty Springfield. Ah, ah, because it's a song I really love.
Starting point is 00:53:23 And the history of the song is quite weird. Like she heard it in Italian and couldn't sing in Italian. I didn't really speak Italian. And so this song got written, which isn't really a direct translation of the Italian version at all. Oh nice, I like that. It has been used in a Richard Curtis film. How's it now?
Starting point is 00:53:40 But not in a romantic scene. It was used in the boat that rocked. Oh yeah. Which is a fun movie. How do you recommend it? It's a kid watch. Really good cast in it. Lots of the Richard Curtis standards, I think they're nice in it. But yes, so I was wondering if that was meant to be like a reference to a particular Richard Curtis film, because I kind of swore it was in four weddings in a funeral somewhere, but
Starting point is 00:54:01 I had a boat that roped. Is it around here that we get this is where it is in my notes? sorry, as I say, I lost track of the scenes eventually, but I've got Lazarus being one unit of miracle. Yeah, that's the next scene the angels show up to visit a zero-fail and somehow completely oblivious to Gabriel being there and talking to them. And yeah, they use Lazarus as a measurement for miracles, which is one of my favorite little bits in this. I was just saying in that scene actually, and in one of the scenes before, it's quite nice how they've done a disabled angel and how they've I was because I was saying to Jack, what's her name? Sorry. Liz Carr. Sarah Kells, the character.
Starting point is 00:54:40 Sarah Kells, Sarah Kells. Yeah. I was like, oh man, imagine going from having a cool hovering chair in heaven to go to London We're all these buildings like grandfathered in with no ramps, and then she just like magic. I was like out there We go I did like the detail and I just miracoling herself and that's where I'm I like the character as well It wasn't specifically written forward to say what actor or anything They just love what Liz Car did and incorporate into the character. It's really nicely done. And it is always nice to see a disabled actor and not have their character focused on their disability. Yeah, no, exactly. Anyway, oh yeah, this is also
Starting point is 00:55:13 where we get the the fly swap with the big heavy Bible. And then a Zera fell and crowly go to the pub. The dirty donkey. The dirty donkey. What is that a real pub name? I don't know, I didn't think to check. The resurrectionist is not, because that was one of the tweets or something from months and months ago when somebody realised that whatever public was had been renamed the resurrectionist. For the sake of a shoot. What's that? The dirty donkey fowl. There's one in heriford. Probably not that one. No. I think I think we can assume this is a fictional pub. Yes, I know, for it's no game until it might be a cool reference.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yeah, we'll keep an eye out. Dirty donkey may come back. No, I'm so honest. Anyway, they go to the pub and we meet Mr Brown Chairman of the Wicpa Street Shopkeepers and Street vendors association. God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:56:11 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:56:19 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm unpleasant and I also love this sort of character. Yeah. This is like Bill Patterson, I can't remember I'll raise something his character in the first season, the one that is in the neighborhood watch. Yeah, just that like the the low stakes force
Starting point is 00:56:37 of nature. Yes. Yeah, everyone in the community like no Sam and doesn't like him type guy. Yeah. Yeah, everyone in the community like no Sam and doesn't like him type guy. Yeah. The Taylor dosi for for our Gilmour Goss fans. And we live in a town that has a few of these sorts as well. So it's it's relatable. So yeah, he wants Zerophel to host this get together of the association to talk about bins which is the sort of thing that a Mr Brown would. So, Zerophel explains to Crowley that they've got to get Maggie and Nina together because he's used them as the excuse for this miracle that happened. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:14 So, they're debating their ideas of romance. Yeah. Rainstorm, canopy. Yeah. Starring into each other's eyes. That's how relationships start, right? Yeah. 100%. So Crowley's got it entirely from Richard Curtis films, um, which
Starting point is 00:57:30 wanted. Yeah, no, that we're answering. Yes, Sicilian is, as Michael Sheen, is it? Yeah, Michael Sheen's doing Jane Austen, Crowley's doing Richard Curtis. That's right, because Crowley's like Jane Austen with the, the Brandy Smuggler. Yeah, the Brandy Smuggler diamond thief, Super spy.
Starting point is 00:57:44 I love that bit. I was slightly tempted. I had a little Google Justin Case. And it does look like she was associated with some Smugglers, certainly. Of course she was. She was Donald J. Nosten. She danced with a couple of times on wrote some letters about Captain Corvay James Dolvignet, who was a Jerseyborn, which is why I like him as a smoker. Extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Marvelous. I think did not. Probably smuggle Brandy herself. I would like to take a moment as well with Crowley, having mentioned Richard Curtis, using rainstorms to create love in films. The ridiculous moment from the end of four weddings in a funeral, where she says, is it still raining? I hadn't noticed while standing in a torrential downpour having just confessed
Starting point is 00:58:30 her love to Hugh Grant because this is one of the saddest, cringiest, most wonderful moments in any romantic comedy. So you get humans wet and have serrated each other's eyes? That's just how it goes. Yep. I want to rewatch that now. God, I love it. I cry so much in four things in a funeral because I am incredibly original. Also, a zero-fail saying that Maggie has a push for Nina. Oh my god, yeah, I made it. That was what I was like.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Wow, I don't think I've ever heard anyone use that outside of a Miz magazine in 2003. I mean, I've heard it's like Irish saying, passion means snooking. So I've heard it in that context. Yeah. But not in having a passion for someone. I might bring it back. Yeah, I like.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I'm going to make that again. I'm going to get it. But do it anyway. It'll be funny. So anyways, they go back to the bookshop because Seraphil wants to show Crowley a clue. The clue. Yeah, but do it anyway, it'll be funny. So anyway, so they go back to the bookshop because ZeroFile wants to show Crowley a clue. The clue, the buddy Hollyson, um, but Crowley starts getting
Starting point is 00:59:31 aggressive and this is where he pushes Gabriel into remembering at the end. He says, I remember when the Morningstar sank together and you get this flash of purple eyes before he struggles. I've been seen earlier in the episode, Gabriel with the butterflies is kind of a nice one. Remember, this is what the episode Gabriel with the butterflies. It's kind of a nice one. Remember this is what the angel looks like. Yeah, so that's him. So you mentioned the x-ray thing you can do an Amazon Prime. There's also in the x-ray thing, a bunch of trivia for all the episodes. Okay. So I'm not listing off everything that was in
Starting point is 00:59:57 there because that would get really boring. But one detail is that the sort of purple i-colour for Gabriel is partly inspired by Liz Taylor. Okay. Cause she had these incredible, almost violet eyes. Oh, okay. I just like that. Cool. Yeah. Why do I get to that trivia bit?
Starting point is 01:00:14 It's a few. Uh, I can't, I was using the prime up on my smart TV was very temperamental, but on my PC, you can just click on it and yeah. Okay. I was doing that. So I went through. So yes, Jim remembers when the Morningstar is signed together. And yeah, a Zerophel so gentle with him after he struggles
Starting point is 01:00:32 with this remembering moment and says, you know, you've done awfully well and go and take a rest. Yeah. And this is where you get Crowley and the Zerophel and remembering Job. And we go into the mini episode, the mini-sode. Mini-sode? I don't know how much the mini-sode concept just doesn't work for me because the Portmento word mini-sode makes me want to set fire to things. It's horrible to say.
Starting point is 01:00:52 I feel like if nobody had told you it was the mini-sode, it'd be absolutely fine as that I am. It's a flashback, it's fine. I don't like mini-sode. But yeah, so the Morningstar's signed together bit, that is again, that's a biblical thing and I'll go into it a littleside. But yeah, so the Morningstar's signed together bit, that is again, that's a biblical thing and I'll go into it a little bit, but Lucifer is also referred to in a lot of biblical things as Lucifer Morningstar, because he was the brightest of the angels, so I think that's an interesting bit. I like that. Anyway, so yeah, so we get Crowley visiting Job and Sightis with you. I'm sorry, I think you mean build out the shoe, right? Sorry, build out the shoe, I hear you to us all. Someone I've got a bit of a contrast.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Oh, no. Cobbler and Obstetrition. Obstetrition? I gave up halfway through that word. Cobbler and midwife, extra. Absolutely. So Job is played by Peter Davidson, who may know of as the fifth doctor, his daughter is Georgia Moffitt, who happens to be married to David Tennant.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Oh, so that would be David Tennant's father, David Tennant, the doctor with his father and all the doctor. Uh-huh. Playing. George Moffe, who also played the doctor's daughter. Yes, yes. That's kind of weird, you say like that. I was not getting to that family tree. It goes across far too many dimensions.
Starting point is 01:02:17 We don't know how access to. So, and we should not have access to it. And the site is displayed by Andy Oshoe, who was also in the salmon. Ooh, nice. Which if you've seen it, you should watch that. Sorry. access to and the site is displayed by Andy Oshoe who was also in the Samman. Which if you see now you should watch that. Sorry. Francine. I watched the first I've said it's good.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Just the rest of it's long and depressing. All right, yeah, it's quite long and depressing. Anyway, so Crowley goes to the mansion and is there outside and is there a Fels trying to intercede and stop Crowley from killing Jobe's children? Tell you right, it says that Crowley didn't kill the goats, he just turned them to crows. Crows. Crotes. Yeah. But like in a Crow way, I can't do a Crow goat noise.
Starting point is 01:02:53 I'm not going to try. Okay. So you wrote, Crotes spell Crow TS in the ban and I was staring it for a while trying to work out, did I try and write Crowley and I'mley and I was just trying to make a fort man so. And yeah, we start getting this whole mini-sode thing kind of centres on this argument about free will, this idea of free will between Ezere and Crowley and this tension between them. Because for Crowley, you know, he chose to fall or saunter vaguely downwards. And he'd doing so embrace this idea of having free will and choosing for himself. And a 0-Fell, especially at this
Starting point is 01:03:32 point, still feels like he doesn't need it, he just needs to do what God wants. Yeah. And it's never really resolved between them, like up to the present day stuff, even as he's intimidated by Gabriel, and you know, heaven tried to kill him as Erifel can't help but think of like heaven slash God slash upstairs as the good guys. He never really resolved the whole thing where he didn't get to speak to God, he only got to speak to the matter drawn and so I think in his head somehow he's just like it's inevitable, it's inevitable, she's got a good reason we just don't know it. He's still think she's all right and then yeah we go into into the mansion itself and meet Job's dick effortable. She's got a good reason we just don't know it. Er, he still thinks she's all right. And then yeah, we go into the mansion itself and meet Job's dickhead children.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Yeah. That was good. I liked that. So, along with David Tennant's father and all, Peter Davidson, we have Ennen played by Titan and David Tennant's son. Oh, Jesus. They, this was sort of known already. They, they'd like shared not full pictures of them in costume. They didn't want people to know which episode it was, but like some little pictures and said like the three
Starting point is 01:04:26 of them are in an episode together. And it was some really fun moments of them all three working together. I think it's very sweet. And also like, Titan is good. Yeah, no, he was. Nephau baby extraordinaire. He plays like little shit really well here. He's also great in, he's in House of the Dragon and he was really great in that as well, playing a little shit. Nice. I haven't seen Titan and maybe when he grades that, he'll be less tight-cast. Yeah, I haven't seen him in anything where he's not playing an entitled little shit. And the other two cases we have Kessia, played by Sienna Arif Knightz, who, one of the only other things she's done is a Mallory Tower's TV series. I didn't know there was a Mallory Tower's TV series. Absolutely, you know there was a Mallory Tower's TV series.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Absolutely. You're gonna go and watch that. I fucking loved those books. Excellent. And don't want to reread them because I'm sure they'll all discover that they were horribly racist in some ways. Yeah, probably. Happy to leave in a reading in a blight and in my past, but I'll watch an adaptation. And the youngest one, Jermimer, is Cherry Metre and this is her first major writing role. She made a part. She made a part. I loved this is her first major acting role. She made a part. She made a part, I'd love to, I thought she was great.
Starting point is 01:05:28 I made a part. Also, daughter of Jove. And yeah, Crowley threatened them with all sorts of burning hellfire and then takes them down into the cellar and turns them into lizards. I like the revelation that the way that God favours Jove is like, proper, we weird favourites and stuff,
Starting point is 01:05:47 not just like, it's granted in prosperity or whatever, but it's like, the angels were going to fetch them wine for the party and things like that. How much do you think that the angels have kind of go to God into this because they resent being used as aerating? Yeah, for things. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:06:02 And they got really sick of the kids demanding wine. I quite like the detail that they made these kids little shits and they still like got saved. Like, it's like in sweet little innocent babies like they might have been a bit more heart string, probably at that moment, but it wouldn't have been as like obviously you can say it's a cute little innocent baby goats and nice children for the horrible spoiled children. Yeah. You can, there's the sense of you sure you want me to save these. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:26 Although, to my mistakes, we didn't even know I'd probably enough to be turned into a lizard till chest. Yeah. And, but you start also getting, Crowley, saying over again, I'm a demon, I lie, which is a good detail. And yeah, then we go into the cellar. Yeah. And while the kids are busy
Starting point is 01:06:46 visiting, Crowley tempts a zero-fail into trying human food for the first time. Yep. I love that. I love this. We get that, yeah, just the moment of corruption, very visceral, tearing meat off the bone type stuff, that's extremely. Yeah, it's not delicate, normally a zero fell is so delicate and fisterious like there's the scene of him like eating sushi and season one.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Yeah, you could have made it like him having a sip of wine for the first time or like yeah, does this delicate little grape of the plate thing but no it was like tearing in torx ribs. Yeah, like it was all it was uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, exactly. I love that because it really showed that corruption. Yeah, absolutely. In a way because it really showed that corruption. Yeah, absolutely. In a way that like Adelec at Sip or a bite of something, wouldn't it quite the same way? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:07:31 And you get this kind of continuation of this, like, free will and sides discussion. Yeah. With the two of them. And and Crowley saying, you know, it's not lonely doing what he does. I think that's in the scene. And a zero fell still insisting, even as he's being tempted for the first time, that neither Heavenly Waste the Bright Way.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Yeah, of course. And yet. And yet. And so we go into the next scene as the hellish storm was abated. We see Job talking to God. He mentions Wales a lot, which I think is, is, is like, again, if you read the story of Job and the stuff in the Bible, there's think is, is like, again, if you read the story of Joban and the stuff in the Bible, there's all this stuff about the Leviathan, and it's part of this poetic discourse,
Starting point is 01:08:09 and it's also Joban's friends are going with God of why you're doing this to him. And then it is this thing of who you used to ask me what I'm doing. Did you make the morning stars sing? Yeah. And then we finally tied the flashback into the where we'd left. Yeah, this coming. But I like the whales as well as I call back from season one when they're having the sort of drunk conversation about why the earth should be saved and Crowley uses the argument of, you know, whales, full of brains, whole ocean full of brains. Yeah. And then the whale is getting... And then the whale is getting fucked. Cracken, yeah, get cracking. Cracken is a better verb than fucked.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Yeah, get cracking. Crack and is a better verb than fucked. More specifics. So yes, are the angels appear on Sir Joban's site as who are obviously not happy, especially when they realize that even as this is over and they're getting everything back to your fault, their children are still dead. Yeah, and that's such a, I love that as a demonstration of how inhuman the angels are. And that the, what's the matter? We're giving you children back. We're giving you seven children instead of three. And they can't understand that the fact they're not the same children is important. They don't understand the human concept of love. And I feel like that's going to come back
Starting point is 01:09:18 throughout the season. But zero fail gets it without it being explained to him. I think which shows that he's on this different level already. because, like, before we get to, like, when they're discussing it, a zero fail gets it. Yeah. Like, he knows it's not the same. A zero fail is the one of the representatives on Earth. He's spent a lot more time around humanism. So he's learned the empathy that the higher up angels never have. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:43 They're too busy looking at the big picture to remember the individuals, whereas the 0fl is all about the individuals. He's primed at this point for the moment of corruption, I think, and then. Yeah. And it's a very unique form of corruption, not so much the, you know, chowing down on an ox, but corruption by being too empathetic, by caring too much. So yes, you have Crowley's build-out, the shoe-out coming in to help out with childbirth. And this... I didn't clock until my second watch, the ribs were the OX ribs. Oh! Yeah, okay. I thought they've done some weird little miracle larynx. Yeah, right, that's what I thought the first time I watched it.
Starting point is 01:10:23 And then I realised the second time that he's kept the ribs from the ribs. Yeah. That makes sense. OK. Yeah. And yeah, and they bring the original three children back. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yes. And Job is not a smart man. No. But he gets there. We get there eventually. I think we're underlining my colors, the cleverest of the arch angels as well. They seem like his old children. but yeah, that was good.
Starting point is 01:10:48 So yeah, as Irofell, why? He lies, that's the point. Yeah, that's the moment of... Now he's been corrupted and he steps out of the black and white into the grey. Yes, we love a grey area. We do have a grey area. Little white lie making him grey. So that's sort of the end of the mini-sale and and we go back into back to the present day in the bookshop. And I love the moment where a 0-fail test to go, you know, you really used to be quite awful. Especially because we've, if you think about how much time has actually passed, obviously,
Starting point is 01:11:18 we've just watched this whole joke thing. Not much time has actually passed in the bookshop. So we've just had, is there a fellow being really caring to us Gabriel and you've done enough and then he's remembered this and he's like, oh you're a prick. Yeah, yeah, it's a little. Yeah. As almost this moment of again, sort of corruption of why am I helping this guy and caring for him? Hmm. And yeah, realizing you don't have a reason, you just do. You're doing it because it's the right thing, not because you want to do it.
Starting point is 01:11:49 Yeah. And the right thing, by your own personal morality, not by a preset morality. And also because something horrible is apparently going to happen. Yeah, well, something horrible, true. Yeah. So Zerifalth has Gabriel that he used to be a dick
Starting point is 01:12:02 and then Crowley has wandered off and gone to Chatternina about awnings just to check. So ZeroFile finishes telling Crowley about the record and then asked for the use of the Bentley to pop up to Edinburgh and investigate this. Which is yeah, it's interesting. That wasn't interesting, see, and I wasn't really sure what I was being shown. Well, it's this again, slightly uneven way, they view their relationship. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:34 It's going back to that thing from the first episode of Ive Carved Out versus Weve Carved Out. It's a zero fell, I think, genuinely does think of the book shop as Crowley's as much as he's. Yeah. And you know, Ashim's Crowley's not saying that because he's got something better. Yeah, if you look back at the first season, I feel like that was almost reversed at one point during the bit where David Tennant was trying to persuade the zero veil to run away with him. Yeah. And as a fail kept underlining, we are separate. Yeah, and even before that,
Starting point is 01:13:05 as well, when you know, David Tennnell's the Holy Water and eventually Crowley gives it to him and he won't accept a lift in the car, you go too fast for me. Yeah. So I think stepping out from under heaven's yolk has kind of made us a NFL more confident. And in that, just has assumed that this is more shared than Crowley sees it. Well, he still doesn't want clearly driving. Also, one needs to keep an eye on Gabriel. Yes.
Starting point is 01:13:32 Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, is there a fail being the one to go out rather than sending Crowley? I think he's more trustworthy, weasegarial than trustworthy, trying to solve the gay real problem. Yeah, there are a few ways he can go off on a weird tangent. Yeah. If he's given this task, which, well, I'm sure there are plenty of ways he will go off
Starting point is 01:13:53 on a weird tangent, but in theory, we'll find out in the next episode. But it might just be also, as Irofell wants to go and do something for himself. Yeah, he does seem like he has a very cloistered life still. Yeah, he's still very in his bookshop and and obviously they've both traveled around a fair bit as we've seen. Yeah. But yeah, I think having the opportunity to just go off and do something and having a bit of purpose is obviously really important to a zero-file. Yeah. And it feels like he doesn't clue. He's not stupid. I think he knows that Crowley does not think of the Bentley as Shed.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah. He's just pretty sure if he establishes, I think of it as Shed, and I think you should think of it as Shed, that Crowley have probably go along with it. Yeah. And he's almost like testing his newfound independence and how far he can push that sort of thing. Yeah. I find it really fascinating. Yeah. like the relationship between the two of them. I'm interesting dynamic. So I mean, we're just talking about having, like,
Starting point is 01:14:52 watched the Joe bits specifically. So we, like, the opening title sequence in the first season was slightly different in each episode and had different stuff in it. This season, it's the same for both episodes. And we'd seen the opening title sequence already, it got released on Twitter and stuff, like I think at least a month ago, possibly longer. So after watching the second episode, and then looking at the title sequence again, I realized that there's a big chunk of the title sequence
Starting point is 01:15:17 that is the joke thing you see that the goats being banned. And yeah. So then watching the title sequence in mind that like, hey, this might be like episodes of the show. Some fucks up shit's gonna happen. I feel like things are gonna get a bit weird. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, we go to the final season of the episode, before I wildly take a sub-entangence, and we're back in 2500 BC, and a Zerafile meets Crowley on a beach, and Zerafile thinks he's got to go to hell and become a demon now he thinks he's fallen.
Starting point is 01:15:46 Because he's lied and he didn't follow God's will but Crowley's like well I'm not going to tell anyone. Yeah, it's fine or about it. He has to keep this secret forever which is a huge punishment for him I think. He knows it's going to be a huge burden. But yeah, he thinks it's so bad that he's automatically downed forever. But this is first taste of not just blindly following God's will and it's huge and it's really scary for him. Although he did give a sword away.
Starting point is 01:16:15 He did give a sword away. But he wasn't explicitly told by you. Yeah, there's no loophole here. You straight up lied. Yeah. And he knows he lied. Yeah. And this is where Crowley admits to actually being quite lonely.
Starting point is 01:16:27 And again, brings back about my teeth. I'm a demon. I lie. Yeah. And in that there's a zero fell learning. I'm always going to feel a little bit lonely because I'm not going to feel like one of them anymore. Yeah. And it's a few, you know, it's a good millennial millennia and a bit.
Starting point is 01:16:43 And till they reach the deal while they become in regular contact. And it's more than a millennia, like three or four. Oh yeah, sorry we're in BC aren't we? Yeah. So it's Shakespeare isn't it Shakespeare days, they make the first deal. Yes, yeah. Maybe not. I don't remember. I think it was like the sort of medievaly one where they realise that they're canceling each other out and go home and do nothing. That's it. Yes, the nice thing. Yeah. And then the Shakespeare thing is where they make slightly more of a deal. Yeah. And that final shot before I go to the credits. The two of them on the rock and one in black, one in white and a space between them. Mm. That was gorgeously shot.
Starting point is 01:17:25 That was really, really beautiful. I think we've seen so many images of them interlocked with each other, and I'm not talking about the fan art. Oh, yes. Has plenty of fan art of them interlocked with each other. Yeah, my Twitter algorithm went down that path for a little while, so I was, no, I was stupid. I'm not that kind of fan.
Starting point is 01:17:47 No shade on those who are. Just, no, it's just I'm not the teenager anymore. But yeah, so imagery like within the show, we see them, you know, we see wings folding over each other and we see them clinking glasses. There's a sense of togetherness. So seeing them in black and white with them clinking glasses, there's a sense of togetherness. So seeing them in black and white with that space between them, especially in an episode where a 0-fail is literally about to go drive to the other end of the landmass. And it's this black and white against that hugely
Starting point is 01:18:16 saturated like background as well. Yeah, the blue sea and the blue sky and the yellow rocks in there. sky and the yellow rocks in there. Yeah, yeah, they're black and white in inner world of colour and yeah. What nice couple of episodes. So we have some bestos, some little awards for the episode. So, favourite quote slash line delivery. When Azera fails on about come on you have to come and see the clue. And David Turner says, don't pronounce the capital letter. That was very practically. I thought that was a very project moment. I'm going with I long to kill the blameless children of blameless Joban. I'm not going to try and do it. But the way David Tennant delivers that line. Yeah. The kind of furious sarcasm. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 01:19:05 It's like really like stop thinking well of me. Yeah. And then immediately undone by the... And highlighting within the sentence, how unfair it would be to kill these kids because they're blabeless and jokes blameless and... Yeah. I'm an evil demon. Easter eggs. So go with yours and I've got a
Starting point is 01:19:27 little list because there's a ton. And yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. So I went, it was a nice day. There's one of the first lines of books that Don Ham read out and obviously that is the first one from Good Omen's. The other two we've got Jane Austen in banks. And yeah, obviously just a nice little one there, rule of three, the last one at the end there, kind of also giving it the nice overly poetic to a sudden, you have the day my grandmother exploded, the little study there is a truth universally acknowledged, oh lovely floral, and then it was a nice day. Very practice. It was beautiful. It was nice because you see the front page of Good Omen. It's very like, if you know, you know,
Starting point is 01:20:10 and you can see, all the days have been nice so far. The score does a really beautiful little moment, like Gabriel looks at me and says, how that's better, and she'll say, and the score just does a very nice soft strings moment that's almost like the score going. It's nice thing we care about. Yeah. Yeah, the Day My Grammar I'll explain this quote by Ian Banks, who's a friend of Deo Gaimans, I believe. Oh, cool. Oh, nice. And then, obviously, we get the
Starting point is 01:20:35 nice pride and prejudice preference from Brandy Smuggler extraordinaire, Jane Austen. Absolutely. My new favorite criminal. A couple of other recent eggs I noticed that I really liked in the coffee shop during the scene where Crowley's ordering the six espresso's there's a classic version, strings version of Bohemian rhapsody playing. Okay, love that. The newspaper that Crowley's reading in St James's Park has the headline is Tadfield the Best Village in Britain. Well they go, that's as I was saying I love the little looks at at rather than cuts too, do you know what I mean? I want it referenced in Easter eggs, not in how are they now?
Starting point is 01:21:11 Yeah, and my favourite moment in the bookshop scene where the angels are visiting a Zerafal and Gabriel is demonstrating the wonderful things you can do with books such as using them as a flyswad. The book he uses to demonstrate using them as a fan is the colour of magic. Oh, super, well done. So that and the Bible, the two important books, the two most important books. The old Easter egg is still in there, the practice hat is still in the bookshop. It is. And new award for this visual medium we are discussing, the character does a little face award. Oh yeah, seals is right at the beginning. So I'm sneaking in an extra award here, but both go to David Tennant as Crowley first
Starting point is 01:21:53 for his look of wonder as the universe starts and then his crest fall and face when a zero fell tells him it's getting shut down in 6000 years. David Tennant's little face. Oh yes. For me, I've got the when the coffee shop lady mentions the naked man in your bookshop and Crowley's eyebrow just one of them shoots all the way up into his airline. Could I men's giving us what we truly want which is gayer and with more eyebrows? Exactly, that is the gayest with most eyebrow award of the...
Starting point is 01:22:20 with more eyebrows. Exactly, that is the gayest with most eyebrow award of the... LAUGHTER Also, surely we've got a special mention because you said you were looking for specifically to Michael Sheen's poor little face when he's sad, when he goes, not the children. Yeah, now he does get a special bonus award for that. I feel like Michael Sheen's little face doing something sad
Starting point is 01:22:41 always gets this award, we just can also give it to some other characters. Yeah. Or Michael Sheen for other facial expressions. Yes. Better and out of Michael Sheen at this little face. Lifetime achievement towards a Michael Sheen's all your little face.
Starting point is 01:22:58 It wouldn't be an absolute of the two show make you frown without helicopter and line cloth watch. Go on. So for helicopters, I am awarding to geese, big, angry ducks. Oh, sure. That's good. And of course, line cloth goes to Gabriel's fabulous blanket, Toga.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Yeah, so eventually upgraded to a suit, but I think we're all sad or not suit sweat of that type thing. Yeah, we all miss Gabriel's blanket, Toga. Costume wise, I was enjoying the evolving robes of the angelic chords, by the way. Oh, yeah, the different, and the evolving Gabriel hairstyles. Yeah. That was a fun detail. I love that they have the operation in heaven.
Starting point is 01:23:35 Yeah. Did you just say, Hevel? I did, and I was wondering whether to correct myself. I just brought it up for you. No, no, that's good. It's fine. And the confession happened. That is probably not everything we could say about episode one and two of Good Omen's but definitely not. But it's only so many hours in the day that you do listeners get
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