The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - 122: Good Omens Season 2 Episode 6 (Monkey's Paw)

Episode Date: August 20, 2023

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan and Francine Carrel, are taking a break from reading and recapping every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series ...in chronological order, and talking about Good Omens season 2! This week, Episode 6!Emotions! Many of Them!Find us on the internet:Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodInstagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: thetruthshallmakeyefretpod@gmail.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/thetruthshallmakeyefretWant to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret Discord "Do You Think A Depressed Person Could Make THIS?" - YouTubePleasure Beach by Helen Palmer - Prototype  tumblr post with note about Pratchett wanting Every Day in Good Omens John Gibson | NEW CUMNOCK HERITAGE Go and see our friends at the Fringe!The Magic of Terry Pratchett - Marc BurrowsGeburah - Andrew O’NeillMusic: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It'll be fine. We can't start panicking yet. We haven't got there yet. If your fringe adjacent, I meant to plug them last week for GoCymart Barrow show, the fringe, the magic territory pratchet and is a non-discord show, the glum of knit, and GoCymart Runeal show, Gaborer.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Gaborer, I've not tried to save it out loud. Google it. And I'm not gonna. Yep. Go see them. So yeah, it's been a, it's been a week of good aim and demotions. Yeah, we've had them, we've had them.
Starting point is 00:00:30 We finally, okay, so catch up listeners. We recorded the last episode and then the next day went and watched the final episode. Yeah. And what I shouldn't have done was watch that episode before I edited the last episode, because before I edited, I last have saved it because I was going, oh, you innocent fools. Yeah, it was very weird because I watched it and then I listened back to the one we did
Starting point is 00:00:58 on episode five, and I was just pointing and laughing at myself. I know, I know. I'm going to have to have a skim listen through, like all three of these episodes before we think about putting together a bonus thing full of nonsense. I know, I was quite happy that I managed to get one or two wild theories correct, and I think you did as well, but on the whole, I think we were fairly wrong. There is one wild theory of mine,
Starting point is 00:01:20 not from the last episode, that I will bring up in this episode when we get there. Cool, cool. Because it's rather than going out there yet. Not there yet. We're not. So yeah, in the meantime anyway, to continue on the theme of Heavy Emotions, I've been watching, I'm very sorry to say fan edits of Good Omen's on TikTok. Amazing. Yeah, it's not been healthy, I would say. you watch one or two then they just they just feed them to you and it's real hard to you know to turn that off
Starting point is 00:01:51 Yeah, you you're gonna scroll past a Clips of David ten and walking to good Isaac or Michael sheen looking Michael sheen. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not possible We were talking about young Michael sheen last week and I think it was Stacey on Twitter reminding me of Michael Sheen in Underworld and I need to watch the Underworld movies again. I did see that. Yeah, I'm not into the Long Black Hatching, so. No, it was very teenage me. Definitely not into to vampire like these days, but the kind of the the combed hair and the clean shave and I was very into it.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Yeah, yeah. No, when I watched Underworld I become teenage me again, but my eyes are mostly for Kate Beckensehl. That's fair. Because that crush has been running ever since my mum showed me the movie Serendipity, starring Kate Beckensehl and John Kiesegg. One of my favorite wrong columns of all time. I love that for you. But yeah, all the fan edits of David Tennant walking
Starting point is 00:02:53 to music and also the episode of Good Omen's made me realize that David Tennant is just so incredibly gender. Yeah, like, like I want that. I can't have that. Not as like, I want that. I can't have that. Not as in like, I want David Tennant. He's very happily married. And I'm very happy for him. I'm saying, I want to be that. Not I want to be male.
Starting point is 00:03:13 I just want to be whatever is happening there. Maybe it's been since 2019 that I have been unconsciously starting to dress a lot more like that. Yeah. I am making myself as tall and as dressed in black as possible over the last few years. The problem is,. Yeah, I am making myself as tall and as dressed in black as possible over the last few years. The problem is I just,
Starting point is 00:03:27 I can't really do it in quite the same way. Like I can be described as a lot of things and have been. Lanky will never be one of them. I am, I am of, of hearty peasant stock. I can haul a sack of potatoes like no one is business. And in my life I've often had to, but I don't think I'll ever manage to be quite so limmy. No, but I think you could get the strap.
Starting point is 00:03:51 I think I could probably do the strap. You could pull off an Azeraphile look. Pretty well. Yeah, but it's not quite me. It's not quite you, but it would be an aesthetic version of that, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think I just, I feel a bit more, I'm a more, more disheveled when I'm presenting mask than a Zerafiles. Mm.
Starting point is 00:04:10 It's awesome. Yeah, look. Yeah. Who says, yeah. All right, well, food. Food is cool. Well, I think I need to get some Chelsea boots. It's good, I didn't.
Starting point is 00:04:19 I wish I mean, I hang up, Doug Martin, do some really nice, like, kind of Chelsea style boots. But it's not even the price. Like, I don't mind paying the price for a good pair of boots, like in the case of a Disney just fire, but they're not that good anymore, and I don't want to break them in. They're not worth the entry point. I have been recommended a couple of decent brands that are like still made here. Yeah. That's similar. It's still quite expensive, as you said, like, if they're going to ask fucking 15 years, whatever. Yeah, like my tendency to buy cheap boots, we don't need to explain the boots theory of economics on the fuck us together. This is exactly why neither of us have pulled ourselves up by our boot straps, right? Every time we try, they snap. We're like, oh no,
Starting point is 00:04:59 we should have bought better boots. Oh my god. I think that's what the ragged trousers are for. It's for best of the game. Absolutely. No, so I am. You know when you start working on a project, and it kind of overtakes your brain a little bit, and you decide you really need to, you can't stop thinking about it,
Starting point is 00:05:19 you're gonna have to do it. Because you've got really involved with this idea of construction, and then you start actually probably planning or doing whatever you need to do to see this project. And you realize that you're fully at the end of it going to come out like Ben Wyatt presenting kinds of Dunshire, and as he starts explaining it going, this is nothing. Like I'm almost there. I'm not there yet. I'm still going to have to make the fucker. You very kindly quoted that to me when I tried to do hand drawn animation during the lockdown, for the way. Yes, cool back there.
Starting point is 00:05:45 But yeah, what are you trying to do? I think I specifically quoted Benworth's Tense at Stop Motion Animation when you start to turn the hand around. That's right, no, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, would a depressed man make this? And I was like, wow, fine. If you're not wrong, so I can't argue.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I meant it lovingly, the hand drawn on the... Right, what in the cone have you produced? I haven't yet. I'm still at the maths point, which is why I was nearly late to start recording today. Oh yeah, you did say I might be late because I got carried away doing maths. I seem to be doing some obscure Easter egg calculation. No, no. I was at one point was under my dining table to make sure I got the measurements right, but my hands still a bit too dodgy to just flip it upside down to see the measurements. So I'm designing a board game tablecloth. Because... Okay. Okay, so the two reasons. One is playing board games like straight on my
Starting point is 00:06:36 wooden dining table is kind of annoying, like stuff slips about. If you have slightly too long or too short nails then picking up cards off a wooden table is really difficult. And between my partner and I were at the other, both ends of the spectrum now. Yeah, yeah. So when we're playing ball games at a friend's house, he gets around that by, he just has a piece of felt, he puts down on the table,
Starting point is 00:06:54 which does help except the fabric can move around and rock up and oh yeah, I hate absolutely hate the feeling of it. You know, I have very similar fabric tastes when it comes to touching, yeah. It's like when you accidentally touch a sponge wrong and yeah, right? Okay, it's not just me. I genuinely like sets my teeth on edge.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Anyway, so part of my logic was that like sensible piece of fabric that will help with those issues, but also I had a look at some cool ball game tables while I was at UK Games Expo and I kind of thought that they that super expensive. Don't you like they're really nice. They're worth the money, especially the ones that kind of everything folds away. And it can also just be a nice table like if I had the money, I would get one. Yeah, yeah, they're not overpriced. They're just expensive.
Starting point is 00:07:35 That's yeah, there's a difference. But I want to see if I could incorporate some of their functionality into this ball game tablecloth. So what it's going to be, it's going to be like, big rectangle of fabric, obviously, and nicely with back and stuff. So it's not like raw-register, whatever, like lined. But with magnets sewn into the corners,
Starting point is 00:07:54 and then there's a corresponding magnet that goes over the table. So the fabric, like the cloth itself, like stays stretched out and tore. I got the idea from a dressmaker, I follow on TikTok, who had like magnets sewn into the shoulder cake thing she wore and then she had like another magnet that would go under the strap at the top and it would hold it all in place. Oh, yeah, really cool
Starting point is 00:08:12 idea. Fucking love that. Yeah. And then it's going to have like some top stitching to mark out like each player's like player space because a lot of the big ball games we play like has like an individual player board and then there'll be like a central bit marked out for like a board space. Okay. And then each player space is also gonna have a flap that comes down that has pockets that can hold like cards and coins and stuff.
Starting point is 00:08:33 It's gonna have a little pocket thing. So you don't have like stuff clustering up your play space. But yeah, so I've been trying to figure out the dimensions so that the corners of it can go with the magnets under the table, because obviously the table has like those diagonal bits. Yes. And so I was trying to work out what the dimensions would be, taking those out so the corners match up for the magnets and share, and then I was trying to work out how big those play maps would need to be. So I was looking at like the size of standard playing cards
Starting point is 00:09:00 and it was all like poker size and tarot size, which are the two most common in ball games and I think you considered laying some of this stuff out on the computer. cards and it's all like poker size and tarot size which are the two most common in ball games and have you considered laying some of this stuff out on my computer? Yeah I consider and then I couldn't figure out what would be the best program to use and I thought if I started trying to do that I would go down that rabbit hole but I've got a flat design but I need to come up with a better name for it than the flap. But yes, you see where I'm at. Like, I'm in a concert and I'm sure I right now. Yeah, no, yeah. You're in the country. I can't see the cloth for the cones.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Exactly. Love that idea, though. That's a great idea. It might be. It might be. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Or I'm having a breakdown. Well, you might be, but so am I. And that's fine. Yay. Speaking of you are coming down with me. Speaking of having breakdowns, do you want to make a book? Yeah, I do want to make a book. Oh, there was something I forgot to mention in the soft open. Oh, no. Just the the TERFs have been turfying a lot recently and we haven't done a fuck off in a while
Starting point is 00:10:06 so just a reminder this is a trans-friendly trans-inclusive podcast so uh... TERFs! No, go away, you're not welcome, TERF listing week. Hello and welcome to the true show, Maki Freit, a podcast in which we're usually reading a recaping every book from Toe Pratchett's Discworld series, one of the time in chronological order, but we've taken a break from that to talk about good Omen season two. I'm Joanna Hagen. And I'm Francine Carroll.
Starting point is 00:10:30 And it's here, we're finally here. We are talking about the finale, chapter six every day. It is getting closer. Like a roller coaster. No, on spoilers before we crack on, we will be spoiling all of season two of Good Omen's. Now that we've got two episode six, there will also be spoilers for the book Good Omen's and season one of Good Omen's.
Starting point is 00:10:53 It will be very weird to be listening to this if you haven't seen season one of Good Omen's. Yes. However, while we are primarily a Discord podcast, we will not be spoiling any major events in the Discord series. And we're saving any and all discussion of the final Discord novel, the Shepherd's Crown, so we get there, so if you're just joining us for this and want to try the Discord, you can safely come on the journey with us.
Starting point is 00:11:14 In a creepy celestial lift, I think we should say at the top of the episode, if we don't seem like we're touching on enough unhinged theories, don't worry, it's because we're doing another episode. Oh yeah, there's one more coming. This is the recap episode and then we're doing like a full series recap with lots of madness. So yeah, if you think we've got hinges, don't worry. Yeah, don't worry, it's fine. Yeah, we're still masking tape. Yeah. So follow up, I actually have a couple of misiffs from the round world. still for masking tape. Yeah. So follow up, I actually have a couple of missives from the round world.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Oh, missives A. This absolutely delighted me. We got an email from Negev who has recently started listening to our podcast from the beginning. So probably won't hear this for a while. So high from the past. Hello. And they said that they had a fun fact for us
Starting point is 00:12:04 about something we've definitely forgotten by now and I had. In episode 18, sorcery part 2, the obscure reference finnial was about the fact that in the book a drink called Orak gets served with coffee and we couldn't find an equivalent drink but we talked about the Italian shop plus coffee thing. Orak has an equivalent realm well drink called Arak. It's very common in Israel. Well, fuck, why couldn't I find that? And in the rest of the event, it's made partly with Anisee. And he tastes very liquoricey. You mentioned in the episode that no Mediterranean alcohols
Starting point is 00:12:36 were worth drinking and you were right. I'm sorry. I think enough English people have been on holiday degrees or had friends have that we've all somewhere in our history got like horrible oozo flashbacks. I'm going to put it slightly more diplomatically. It's not worth us trying to drink, certainly not worth me trying to drink, not worth the English trying to drink. And we've got a quick book recommendation from Raoul who heard about this literary event
Starting point is 00:13:00 and thought we would like a book called Pleasure Beach by Helen Palmer, the queer love story and a tribute to James Joyce's Eulices, set in Blackpool in 1999, and I've read a little bit about it, and it's immediately gone on my reading list. Oh, nice. So thank you, Role. Cool. I do also have a few messages from the Discord and things about good omens, and stuff, but I'm saving those for next week.
Starting point is 00:13:24 So I haven't forgotten Eulishness. It's just that I want... We're doing lots of fan theories and stuff, so it's next week and it's just going to be less messy. Yes, and listeners, if you want to send us your thoughts, we'll tell you how at the end, but please do send us your thoughts and arrange theories. And any deranged theories you had during season two. It's quickly as possible, because we are recording on Wednesday. You have two days after this comes out. Cool, right. Let's get into good opens episode six every day. Big thoughts. Overall thoughts. How'd you feel? Well, I feel. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I knew that I knew there was a emotional devastation coming up. I was surprised at the
Starting point is 00:14:05 format took. So this boiler did not ruin it for me. Something both of us have avoided acknowledging on the podcast because we wanted to give it spoiler free, but we hadn't remained totally unspoiled that people weren't happy about the ending. Yes. As emotionally devastated, they thought Neil Gaiman got it wrong. Yeah, and they're defeated, I think that's always going to be that. But yeah, and we had also been spoiled on one of the big events at the ending. I don't know why I'm scouting around it now, but I will. But even that, I think, was not what I was expecting.
Starting point is 00:14:40 I was not. Yeah. I was sufficiently emotionally wrenched apart. So I think that's as planned from Mr. Game and thank you ever so much. Neil Gaiman for your plunging your fist into my chest and ripping out my heart and I did it. It made me feel again. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool to know. We really sound mentally unhealthy. Do you know what? I feel it a little and it's partly this. Can you imagine if this shared come out when we were teenagers? They did make media this good. I swear to God. Okay, see for me they did but that's just because I formed a really deep emotional connection
Starting point is 00:15:19 with Buffy early on. Yeah, I guess. But like this plus all the tic-tucks in the tumbler and the... Oh yeah, no, I mean, I can see why a bunch of teenagers are fully losing their minds. Yeah, no. And this kind of just overquinness wasn't a thing on treasure-watch from a scenicist. That was quinnest, but not like this flavor. Not just just accepted as a part of it. Yeah, a natural part of it, so. Yeah, no, I mean, even I wasn't even thinking like, could I cope with it when it was teenage? I was thinking, what if this had been like,
Starting point is 00:15:54 did lockdown this season of television came out? Like we would all be, imagine this plus that horrible feeling of climbing the walls. I'd probably like it. I walls. I'd probably like it. I mean, I'd have loved it. Lockdown was peak, I feel nothing for me for a little while. I asked this for a maybe slightly out of it, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Okay, I think we should dive into the episode. Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. So, every day. Every day. We open with Shax and the demons snarling on the threshold of the bookshop. So Nina starts asking a zero-file questions about what's going on and he does explain the ball and what he was trying to do and that he was trying to get them together and says Jane Austen and when they question Jane Austen he's like oh yeah you know Plakumel Diamond robbery and it's that fun thing where
Starting point is 00:16:44 you know someone learns a fact and then like references it as if they knew it all along. Mm-hmm. Like I felt very seen because I know I fucking knew that constantly and not in a like, oh I learned this fun fact. Like yeah, of course, everyone knows Jane Austen did the diamond robbery.
Starting point is 00:17:01 At least everybody who speaks, I could acrually. And I quite liked that he, this had kind of snapped him out of it somewhere between, you know, the dancing and the this bit. He's taking charge, he's doing something. He's clearly actually seeing the day into now. He's kind of, he's not acknowledging that what he was doing was Nina and Maggie was stupid, but he's just kind of explaining it to them like it didn't really matter. And he's bloody blah, blah, blah, blah. Like he's back in the room with us.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Yes, we're past trying to cover up the miracle. Yeah, yeah, we're facing the actual danger. And he's getting these candles ready, which are battery operated. Yeah, I did see that. And he says, oh, no, it's like, yeah. And he says they're battery operated. He asked him to, yeah. And that can be with, you know, the fire extinguishes. He is not having another fire in the bookshop, is he? He is not. I was wondering if he was the one who bought all of the fire extinguishes or whether it was Crowley considering who bought the main brunt of that trauma. But I think he probably bought the electric, the electric candles.
Starting point is 00:18:02 And then Crowley was like, okay, we just need actual fire safety as well. Let's get some of this. Brought one through every time he dropped by. Yeah just dropping a lot of these, don't worry about it. Just nice to have around. I think they look nice, spreading the place up. And yeah, Shaxx is getting threatening. Meanwhile, Crowley is infiltrating heaven like a bee.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And he wants Muriel to take him to see some records. Meanwhile, Crowley is infiltrating heaven like a bee. And he wants Muriel to take him to see some records. He's infiltrating heaven like a murder hornet. Yes. In a beehive. In a beehive. So, um, A Crowley's outfit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:40 I mean, that is a choice was made there. It's, um, the curly headband. I thought, oh God, it's like, they're one of those zigzag ones that we were used to use. It wasn't quite that. It's like, it was, it's the area you're thinking of, but it wasn't the one that hurt that much. But I bet it would have hurt you actually, because you had curly hair. Yeah, yeah. And those things were, those things were traumatising.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Like, I think you see footballers using them sometimes. Like, I said, that is such a horrible type of tradition. I'm not judging anyone who uses this exact hair band. And it did actually have 90s David Beckham hair. He did, yeah. That might have been it. What do you think of the outfit overall then? I love it. I've been very much enjoying.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Now that I've seen the finale, I've been back on Twitter a bit more of the, I was staying off Twitter. There's been a weird fan side tangent of, okay, but what about Crowley's feet slash shoes? Because there's a line in the book about their snake skin boots or maybe their boobs, because obviously Crowley's a little bit snaky. The fact that he's in sandals here is like, oh, he's chosen to have have feet and sandals for a bit. I did not notice his feet. I wasn't like looking for it, but I saw like conversation between my first and second watch. So obviously then I clocked it. Also the walk he does. Little goat walk there. Little goat walk as we get this from a white farm shop. And also he's gone for beige.
Starting point is 00:20:03 He couldn't quite bring himself to do white. Yeah. But then Muriel was a bit of beige and stuff. I wonder if it's also like a demon ranking thing. Because you know Muriel's on the lower ranks and he's trying to look someone who just kind of blends in like Michael and Muriel walked past and just don't clock in the tall. Oh follow up in this, by the way, I kept getting Muriel's pronouns wrong they'll they them. Yes and I was actually quite a lot last week sorry. I think we've also been pronouncing some of the ancient names wrong. Oh I don't care about that. We try that. We try that. Fible can suck it. There's the episode title. Yeah let's open our self up to a whole new audience that hates us. I love that for us. Even so lucky so far. Anyway, he's blending in well.
Starting point is 00:20:48 He is, he gets a very minute. The thing is right. So again, something I haven't mentioned because we were staying so spoiler free, but obviously I'd read ahead, the, I'd read, read ahead on the episode descriptions. And there's a line in the episode description for this episode about Crowley infiltrating heaven as a B. So I had this wildbatch idea that he would somehow discover that like B. L. Zabab was hiding in the fly and spying on the bookshop and that gives him the idea and he goes to heaven hiding in a B because B's would hang out in heaven because obviously B's are cool and not like it's cool to hang out in heaven but like if we're going to call heaven the good guys, like the bees are the good guys. Yeah, for sure. They're part of God's plan.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Yeah, yeah. Unlike wasps. I like wasps now. Wasps can fuck off and ask them murder hornets. Yeah, but I'm glad that wasn't the case that would have been an unnecessary distracting subplot. I feel to turn them into a bee. And we wouldn't have had David Tennant in this outfit doing that walk, which would be a travesty. B, eh, sorry. Anyway, back in the bookshop, Maggie stands up to the demons and check stars getting harsh.
Starting point is 00:21:56 I love Maggie in this bit. I had brothers out. Shut up. I don't like the I had brothers, but specifically in response to the fun like the tongue against the window, it's like, okay, no, I can kind of get that. I know, I know it's fair. It's like I have a visceral reaction to that line, but watching it the second time, I was like, ah, now you're cool. All right. It was because it was specifically about the funny faces. It didn't bother me. It wasn't like, oh, of course I know how to fight. I have seven brothers. That's true. That's true. That's very like, let's hand it. Yeah, it wasn't that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Yes, of course I know how to deal with disgusting little boys. I have brothers is more sensible. Yeah. And what are demons, if not? Mm. I just, I always, this is a trope bit. I love where the shy one stands up for themselves, especially when they're standing up for themselves
Starting point is 00:22:43 against someone being like, oh, you're nobody. We got a little, this was a more satisfying version of it than we had in season one, where Pepper stands up to war, who's called a neurosurgeon, little girl. It's just that I don't tolerate everyday sexism, which was cringe. Was cringe.
Starting point is 00:23:00 I didn't know to know what I rewatched that and I didn't mind it. No, it still made me cringe. They're cute. It's cute,, it still made me cringe. They're cute. It's cute, but it still made me cringe. Yeah. I guess my cringe threshold's gone up a little bit. Yeah, mine hasn't.
Starting point is 00:23:12 And not when it comes to children. Anyway, but also when, you know, the show I want standing up for myself and it comes with that, oh, you're a nobody. And then the other ones like, actually, no, I do like them. So they're not nobody like they've got me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That is a that is a favorite of mine. Nina's just standing there with a smug, developing. Nina does do a good smug. And yeah, then Maggie gets a bit too brave and accidentally invites the demons in another favorite trope of mine.
Starting point is 00:23:42 in another favorite trope of mine. Yeah, I've seen at least three different vampire TV shows where someone, usually a teenage girl, has accidentally invited the vampires in by going, why don't you come here and say that? I want to see it with a football, he'll again crowd accidentally invite something in. Come on over if you say you're old enough. Yeah, that would be more fun. Reverse the trip. Yeah. I like also that the Eric Demon was pushed in first and got blown off again. Poor, terrible, Eric. But not when we expected. And yeah, zero foul opens up the heavenly circle and we get the titles. Speaking of, by the way,
Starting point is 00:24:23 I still haven't't fully dive deep into all of the background and bonus content stuff that is available in Amazon Prime because there's so much, but I did watch Peter Anderson, his studio, the titles. There's a whole thing of him going through and pointing out all of the Easter eggs in the title sequence and it's really worth watching. I haven't watched that one. I watched the making of. Yeah, no, watch these to rigs 1-8 because there's loads of fun stuff. I didn't let us in there. I'm not going to sit in there. They're still of it. That'd be really boring. And B, he's just got a gorgeous accent. Quite nice to sit and listen to him narrate something
Starting point is 00:24:58 for a couple of minutes. Yeah, nice. Can you remember one to tell me? Oh, so in the dirty duck pub scene and like the, I think it was the first, maybe the second episode, we see someone reading a newspaper that has a headline about a duck playing an accordion and in the title sequence there's a little duck playing the accordion as they like walk down into the movie theatre bit. I'll keep, I like that. My one making of fact that goes along with that actually is all the little characters are made from Crowley or a 0-fell heads. Like they take their faces and then it feel like they're like, various people or things, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Cool, so that's how we did that. Fun. Anyway, back in heaven Crowley continues unnoticed, even by Michael, as we said. Muriel's got the gay real file, but it's confidential, and luckily Crowley wasn't always a demon. Hmm. A Muriel. He was a powerful one, and another hint is
Starting point is 00:25:53 of creating the universe, wasn't it? Yeah, they say it's got to be this rank or higher, and he's like, I've thrown a dominion or a bath. That's the one. And then I've got a note here saying, look that up, and I didn't. Cool. I think we don't need to get into Angelic Hierarch, we'd need to really figure it out. They've mixed up principalities and archangels. Oh, but Miriel when Crowley calls their office lowly and they say, yeah, that's why I was so excited to go to earth. I'm helping you, aren't I?
Starting point is 00:26:23 I'm helping a demon. I'm helping a demon I'm in trouble. It's all so sweet but also I was kind of thinking about the bigger picture of how many angels are actually low ranking and lonely like Muriel who would give the chance to go to worth leapass it to just not be lonely and see all these wonderful things and would not be happy if it went away. Yeah, absolutely. Just put a pin in that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Sorry, we were saving the derasement for the bonus episode. Anyway, I would have a little bit of Durankman sprinkled in as a treat. I liked the boring beige cardboard folder with just like, marked, yeah, title on. I thought that was a nice touch, a little bit of boring bureaucracy. And just not as neat and shiny as a lot of the heavenly screens that have been done around the edges. Yeah, they've seen like, done around the edges. So demons are burning as they try and cross the zero fell circle. That'll happen. And oh yeah, and Nina sort of asking, okay, well, so you had a plan. It's like, a zero
Starting point is 00:27:22 fell, it's like, yeah, this was my plan. Yeah, this is that. I mean, it's pretty good plan. But I was expecting Crowley to be back by now. Yeah. But after I was smuggy was about, yeah, I've got a plan that Crowley might see to rescue me. And then his whole plan is like, okay, well burning circle. And then, I guess, gross, that will do it. This was the moment I realized one of my math theories was not correct, but just that, oh yeah, no, is there a foul clearly? Has it proper plan? I'm not, am I? No, no, no. Is there a foul in that? Is there a foul to not have a proper plan?
Starting point is 00:27:53 I just kind of heard that in sort of Ron Howard narrating a rusted development voice. In heaven, we get the screens coming down and Crowley watches the angels talking about oh, we're getting 2.0 and Gabriel say nah, that's not good. I kind of love the celestial team's meeting vibe. Oh yeah. Nice way of showing that. I feel like that was probably partially inspired by the fact that a lot of the writing process and shit would have happened during the first lockdown. Yeah, it's good point. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:27 I think if that hadn't happened, that scene would have been written in person, potentially. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it was like showing them when they had been in a room or something. I don't know, but whatever I liked, I liked how it was shown. So the fire extinguishers come out. Yep. They're good ones, the phone ones. The good ones. Teamers keep invading the bookshop. In heaven, Sarrakel interrupts Kroly and Muriel and offers to actually show them Gabriel Stryle. And obviously Sarrakel has clocked Kroly. It says, As well, yeah obviously we used to work together. We designed a whole set nebula together and Crowley's just like, which continues the theme with Fertfur.
Starting point is 00:29:12 So we think it's a power play yet? Or do we think it's just Crowley going out? Either power play, he's genuinely just really forgetful, or he is like burned all memories of his time as Nangel out of his mind. possible because when he and Firf are new each other that was like pretty big war. yeah I forgot to say the the whole bit about I've probably was saying like it's not possible for a for a demon to be in heaven so people don't see it. I thought it was quite pratch-y, didn't I? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Talking dog, right?
Starting point is 00:29:48 Yeah, the mind-sliding off things, which we were sort of talking about, we've had lots of conversations since we talked about it last week of places that's come from, there's a bit of doctor who, there's a bit of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, there's some stuff in Pratchett books, and I think gaspodes are an example of that. Yeah. Just not perceiving the talking dog. I'm occasionally, did that dog just say woof? Yes. Shaxx gets a judgemental. Calls 0fl Crowley's emotional support angel. Very cute. And then she starts asking him, oh, do you want a big meal? And then she starts asking him, oh, do you want a big meal? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And this idea of the denizens of heaven and hell ingesting human stuff comes up a lot through the episode. But I do think it's interesting that it's not normal for demons either. Yes, yeah, good point actually. Yeah, because Crowley seemed to think of us so normal by the time we saw it in the joke a bit. Yeah. So Crowleyley's gotten used to it, but that doesn't mean it's standard among demons, so that temptation of a zero-fail giving him the, what was it, the ox rib? Is...
Starting point is 00:30:55 That was a special temptation just for him. That was a temptation towards humanity, not towards demonicness, which kind of fits with the theme of the episode. I mean, the first time Shaxe did that bit, it so like proper chalkboard up, the going most spine went up the wrong way, kind of feeling, just because it sounds so inherently fat-shamey. And I know that's not what it was meant to be. I'm just very sensitive to that. I'm sure it was meant to give him the same feeling in the... Yeah, just different in the different direction. Yeah, sushi. I thought it was like, and she's been watching him.
Starting point is 00:31:34 And also there's something so specifically like fisterious about eating sushi? Yeah, it's like calling him a fucking liberal elite nonsense. Yeah, yeah. And it's something you have to think about and seek out and go through a whole process of eating. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's it. And like a good old fashioned ox rib. I could go an ox rib. Anyway, I'm surprised we're not getting an ox rib right now.
Starting point is 00:32:00 I wonder if just eat. No, anyway, Gabriel, we see Gabriel's trial on trial for refusing to sanction the second end of the world. Yeah. Yeah. And I kind of begs the question, why the fuck is he get, you know, all of the kind of choice of being a high-ranking angel is clearly bullshit. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:32:20 You've still got to do what God wants passed down via the metastron. And yeah, when I first watched this, it just really bugged me because it all seemed so out of character for Gabriel. And of course, you get all the context for exactly why he's acting, why he is within minutes. It's very cleverly done because it sets up this mystery of why is Gabriel being like that, especially when he says he's happy to be cast down to hell. That's it. Yeah, my thought at the time, the first time I was watching it was like, maybe he needs his Eryphal and Crowley for something, maybe that was the point all along, because you know, I was half convinced he was lying.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Yeah, and I think I said I had some hints that maybe there was something between Gabriela and Biel's about, but I didn't think it was that. I thought it was sort of working together thing or at least conspiring because we'd seen having conspiring through back channels, although it was Michael doing it. Yeah, anyway, got naked. Yeah. So, well, the messa Tron tells him that actually he's getting demoted, he's not being cast down to hell. And I was delighted to see the messa Tron here because I predicted last week that when a Zerophel got the circle out, we were going to see the Mestron. That was a very stretching prediction, but yes. I was right, but I was also wrong.
Starting point is 00:33:32 We do see the Mestron, but just not seeing any point in a Zerophel circle that he got out that the Mestron floated in last time. Not any special Mestron circle. Yes, we let him out of the circle. That was a bad idea. Anyway, yeah. The Mestron tells Gabriel that he's going to be demoted. And specifically, we can't have him fall to hell because there's already been one high angel that falls to hell.
Starting point is 00:34:01 And this is where we get the context for the one angel being constant to hell. It is an institutional problem. Yes. Two will seem like an institutional problem, which is, hey, it's the thing from last week, but also it's, it's like the importance of being earnest thing to lose one parent is something to lose two looks like carelessness. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:34:19 I wasn't sure by the way if they would, I've seen this as part of the matter is, but I wasn't sure if they were talking about Satan or about Crowley. Oh, it's Lucifer. Lucifer. Because they said Prince of Heaven, didn't they? Yeah, they said Prince of Heaven was Lucifer Morningstar before he was cast down and became Satan.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Cool. I thought it was Lucifer straight away. I actually, that was he they were talking about because they said Prince of Hell. Yeah, I didn't, until I saw somebody ask about it. And then I was like, oh wait, do I know? Yeah. Yeah, I saw somebody ask about it and I was like, oh wait, do I know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw someone ask about it after I'd seen the whole episode, but yeah, I never thought it was Crowley.
Starting point is 00:34:52 But then I was raised with all that Christian stuff, you know, poured into me. But Neil Gaiman also confirmed that that was meant to reference, leave at least for on Twitter, on Tumblr, which then turned into some world fan theorizing that Crowley is Lucifer. No, no, because we met Satan. Yeah, next week, next week. Sorry, voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch. Anyway, so yes, the Gabriel's getting demoted and he's going to have his memory removed, so he says he agrees, but he's not allowed to keep his lovely tailored clothes, so that's he needs to take his clothes off and clear out his desk and he gets a box for the task. Carpool box, straight from heaven. There was a little detail in this as well. They say what rank
Starting point is 00:35:34 they're going to demo Gabriel to and then Muriel points out, you know, it's one rank below her and Chrony gives it this sort of little encouraging punch on the shoulder. Yeah, like, I didn't know that was one belonging. It's so sweet how Crowley has decided to support this one specific Clark angel. Yeah, absolutely. Very cute. Gabriel and his weird attachment to his outfits is kind of his version of earthly attachment as well like a 0-fl. Yeah. You know, has his has his food and is good wine. And Gabriel's got his suits. They are tailored. Tailored. Because that's the thing that you'd need, apparently.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah. Was that a Zerophel and serious one, actually, wasn't it? It was like, I could miracle the stain off, but I'd know. I'll don't remind me of the bit where Crowley casually blows the stain off. And a Zerophel looks delighted. I can't do that right now. I know. By the way, what do we think they say?
Starting point is 00:36:28 Do we know what they symbols are all over the celestial zoom meeting? Oh, I didn't look that up. No, I meant to. I'll try to do that for next week. Anyway, meanwhile demons. Meanwhile demons. Nina has resorted to throwing encyclopedias because it's all online anyway. That's true.
Starting point is 00:36:45 I say that, it's not true. There's lots of crap I've got in that old set of things like videos that aren't online, but in times of peril, I would accept them being used as a weapon. Yeah. Also, there's lots of stuff in your set of encyclopedias that isn't online, but isn't that because they're historical
Starting point is 00:36:58 and cyclopidias and they're lost, some of it's been proven wrong? Well, yes. Yeah. But it's interesting to know what people believed. Oh, yeah, true. Back in heaven, after Gabriel's trial, he's doing something interesting with a box, he's naked, and he drops a matchbox, and then when the heavenly host attempt to erase his memory,
Starting point is 00:37:18 they can't find it, or him. The message tells the rest of the angels they're just going to have to find him. Yes, interesting for him to have to find him. Yes, interesting point there pin in that. I like he says to them, don't be so wet, he's quite harsh. And it's a nice reminder early on in the episode that as much as he is sort of plays a bit sort of genial uncle, the metatron is very capable of not being nice. Yeah, and I feel like at this point is being devious. Yeah. I also like at this point, Michael was scrolling through what looked like a celestial smartphone.
Starting point is 00:37:51 The transparent glass thing, which I quite like and I wondered if their technology evolved to shape with whatever humans had done. And so if we'd looked at them 30 years earlier, would she have been going through a file of facts made of glass? Michael and the glass file of facts, the spin-off we all need. No, I really love that as a mental image. Anyway, so the bookshop invasion eventually calls for desperate measures. And a 0-fell gets his halo out for the lads for the lads.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Who are the heavenly music and a whias that are singing as he's doing this with the halo. There's got a big reminder that he is like soldier. Yeah, like that was his role, wasn't it? Yeah, and he was the guy with the big flaming sword. Yeah, he's the only one who's a sword. Lost it fairly early, perhaps he wasn't the best soldier in the world, but still. And he fought in the Great War, whatever that was, as if he'd been getting. Well, that was the one, and I've forgotten it. That was the one between heaven and hell, where the demons were cast out, I think. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. So there's a heavenly explosion. Shaq gets knocked out demons are taken care of. And it is possible that this point, a zero-failure started a war.
Starting point is 00:39:01 The line where he says that I watched an interview with Michael Sheen, where he was like, I knew when I read that line that that line was going to be in the trailer, which was of course. And because like, you get the idea sometimes this is a trailer line, and I kept fucking it out of you, then. I just, because I knew it was going to be, I just couldn't say it, couldn't get it out. So I took in loads of takes to do that apparently. Oh, bless. So, alarm start going off in heaven. And it is time for Corleon the Angels to take the lifts down, which of course listeners usually shouldn't do if they're alarms going off these to try and take the stairs, but I understand the electronics work a little differently.
Starting point is 00:39:38 But we're all for fire safety on the truce show, McEfer. We do support fire safety on the truce show, McE that. Make sure you have a large number of fire extinguishes and it's like, and it is like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, did you know it's Crowley gets his own lift? No. All the, so like Michael, Yuri L, Saracl, and Muriel are all crammed into one.
Starting point is 00:39:58 And then Crowley's very relaxed and young and switches his outfit on his way down. Yeah. Crowley. I assessed himself thought he old world, isn't it? Which I didn't. I don't know what that was in reference to exactly, but I enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:40:14 I think he was just in general. If it was, you know, the alarms have gone off when he says that, isn't it? Yeah, I think he's probably guessed what a Xerofail's done. Oh, maybe because he didn't seem shocked to do. He was more like piss-taky. Yeah. You did what? And also this idea of, you know, he likes rescuing me. He does like rescuing a Xerofail. He's probably mildly delighted that he gets to go and catch a Xerofail out of trouble now. Of course. Oh, anyway, um, let's enjoy these last moments. Crowley and the angels make it back to the bookshop.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And a syrufiles look of relief when Crowley turns up. And it's very, oh, it's all going to be all right now, isn't it? Yes, even though even though he's already dealt with the danger, the relief comes when yeah. And yeah, Dagon, Biel's a bariels above and ferf at a turn up and they revive shacks uh crowley asks for gabriel's box and explains to the group that gabriel is hidden under a two successful miracle the box tells them to look in the fly and with biels bubs help gabriel finally gets his memories back which ew by the way. Oh yeah no you deaf. Yeah the flag going
Starting point is 00:41:25 in the eye. I'm so bad with eye stuff. I know. I liked the happy Crowley with that you blew up your halo. She was fully seasoned one joyful there I think. All the almost Doctor Who joyful I would say never turn it there. Yeah blew up a halo. It reminded me of season one when a 0-Fell turns up still possessing Madame Tracy. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Suites you in. I like the dress. Oh, and we got here confirmation
Starting point is 00:41:58 that it was the two of them trying to perform the marital together, that is what it flared massively. Oh, and also I have one nearly made it to my favorite quote, quote here, which is Michael going, the mortals here, somebody turn them into pillars of salt. Oh, I loved that line. I've got to write that down. That was so, I know, I think that's a couple of scenes
Starting point is 00:42:19 that's after the flashback. Oh, I've got that written down here, sorry. Yeah, but no, that was a great line. So we go to the flashbacks, we see the Gabriel and BL's above story. Nice physical effects of Gabriel flying through space time. Yes, enjoyed that. So season one gave us a half hour cold open that told us a lot of Crowley and Azirifel's love story. Somehow we get a adorable love story here in what four scenes. Yeah. One of which is from season one and we've seen already with a different actor. Yeah, very truncated
Starting point is 00:42:54 relationship, I'll go suppose. Yeah, I'll tell you, buy it. Yeah, so we start with the scene from the end of season one where Gabriel and Bielsaba were discussing getting their armies to stand down, which I'd forgotten about that Gabriel outfit, the coat with the scarf, that's a look. Oh yeah, that was good. And the slightly spiked up hair. So then we see Gabriel meet Bielsaba's new face in a Russian cafe.
Starting point is 00:43:17 And of course they're both both sides of ready for the next time again, and they never need to speak again. Absolutely. And then they meet up in American Barbarale. And Gabriel pitches this idea of no Armageddon and each side keeping to their respective status quotes. It'd be static and... Quowy.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Yeah, I like that. And it has to be... Well, the Al's Barb has to explain what music is, which is... I love it so much, it's so sweet. So every day is playing and this is where we kind of know why it's important. And Beowse Bob says that they like the song and then has to explain how music works and Gabriel does that. And then I like it too.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Yeah. It's just the innocence of it and their non-human understanding of it as an art form combined with how slightly sinister the song actually is. Yeah, and how slightly sinister they are. And something I was reading about and I think it was via Neil Gaiman's Tumblr, but I honestly can't remember now if I can find the source of Link It, is that Terry Pratchett talked about using the song back when they were talking about adapting Good Omen's into a movie like he really liked the idea of that song as a sinister Armageddon thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'd like to tip through the tulips vibes that kind of...
Starting point is 00:44:33 Yeah, every day. Ooh, is someone done a cover yet? Oh, someone must have done a creepy cover. Listen, listen, listen, creepy covers. Every day cover. So like. So yeah, then we see Gabriel taking the Yuzub to see his statue, which is a nice payoff to the track.
Starting point is 00:44:52 I think he comes to just stare at it for hours, Gabriel. I sometimes come here to just stare at it for hours. My note is gazing at his own statue, LMAO. Who's the M us with not? And also two goblets of liquor under packing of crisps. The spin-off everybody wants. I'd watch it. So yeah, they go to the pub, Gabriel miracles the jukebox. And in return, Beelsbub gives him with a fly that's bigger on the inside. 10, BL's above, give him with a fly that's bigger on the inside. Lovely.
Starting point is 00:45:29 So obviously you put here, choose your own awful ship name. Do you have a just quickly, obviously, with B silly, if we didn't say bigger on the inside, just like the TARDIS anyway. Oh, sorry. Yes, of course. Yeah. I'm going to get that in. Pick your awful ship name. Well, I mean, there's a few options.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Isn't there? Those Gabe's above BL's you'll, but I'm going with Gub. Oh, nice. I've never written Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. BLZL. But I'm going with Gub. Oh, nice. I've never written Gub. Gub. Gub. Gub. But I think Gub sums it up better, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're calling the ship Gub. It's just so sweet that neither of them are really prepared for the idea of a gift. And they have gratitude, but they don't know how to have gratitude. And they have gratitude, but they don't know how to have gratitude. It's so alien to them. And there's something just...
Starting point is 00:46:10 But it does come to them. Like exactly. I've had a gift and now I feel like I should give a gift. Yeah. And I'm delighted by this and I don't know how to be sort of delighted by this, but I am. Yeah. And I don't know just thinking about how Zerophel and Crowley had millennia and Gub managed to do all this in just a few years.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I know. Very annoying. Jesus, guys, get your shit together. Get your shit together, guys. Put those ox ribs down. Put your ox ribs down. Go on a lovely date. I think went on lots of lovely dates.
Starting point is 00:46:42 It doesn't fucking matter, does it? Yeah. Fucking dining at the ritz. Anyway, they don't eat. They don't eat or drink, that's why it's not. No, ting. Yeah, again, like I said with the Shaq's thing, neither side is willing to be or drink.
Starting point is 00:46:54 And they don't need, you know, we talked about this kind of idea of faith, food rules, the eating and the drinking of the human food are somewhat tied as they're a felon and cruelty humanity. Gabriel and Bielsabub or Gub did did not need, I'm gonna keep saying it, did not need that tight humanity to fall enough with each other. No, but the lack of the, in fact, I would say the lack of the tight humanity was very helpful for them because they were able to just go, all right, let's fuck off them.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Yes. They were they're wrenching whatever's to the live here or you know, they weren't fussed about what would happen to the world if they left or whatever. Like, okay, well, we've got each other now. Bye. Yeah. Let's maybe take the song with us. So, yes, we go back to the bookshop and yeah Gabriel is his old self and he's reunited with the Yards of Up. So yes, Michael notices the morsels, that's when we get the killer assault joke. I must have added it in after I finish walking. Crowley is called Maggie and Nina out and Arson's keep quiet. Nina's running late and
Starting point is 00:48:01 there is a queue at the coffee shop and And if I don't know if you noticed, there's Derek Jacobi's in that queue. I did see him, yeah. Yeah. I wonder if that's going to be important. Why am I not, like, we know each other. Yeah, no, just in case anyone's listening to us as they watch. Sorry, I've jumped past it as well, but the Yeltsubub gets the great line that they found something that mattered more than choosing sides and I ship Gub. I do. Yeah, then why did you give them such an awful syllable? Because it delights me.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Yeah, I'm Mo and Fowl and Fowl. And Maggie offers to help for Nina, says yes, because they've grown as people. Yes, and Nina is able to accept help. Get on them. Some of them. On Krut, it's way back to the bookshelf, he quickly resurrects Mr. Brown, which is nice, you know, that we've brought back our token heterosexual.
Starting point is 00:49:02 We didn't want him to be the only dead one. Don't want to bury your straights. Only straight in the village. Yeah. Anyway, in the book, we go back to the bookshop. Everyone's arguing, fairy-louderly, both sides want to punish Gabriel and BL's above. Färfer throws in the joke protocol.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Färfer's quite like sweet in this bit, isn't he? He's like, oh, it's a nice guy, this, actually, yeah. Like he's genuinely bringing up the bits of the bureaucracy, the precedent that matter. He's quite a good bureaucrat as Fairfaire. I'm a big fan of Fairfaire. I've noticed there is a side of the fandom that's decided to just deeply love Fairfaire,
Starting point is 00:49:37 and I'm all happy for it. I can see it's left. I can see how it happened. So, is Fairfaire last them what they would like? Well, at first, is there a file gets to do what we've all wanted to do in meetings where people talk over each other, which is to ring an obnoxiously loud bell? Yes! Shut up!
Starting point is 00:49:55 Oh, whatever he said, probably much nicer than that. I don't know if it's probably looking in through the window at this point. Yeah. And smiling approvingly like he did when he was taking the chandelier down. Oh, so much symbolic looking in through the window from Crowley. Oh, he does like to look longingly through a window. Anyway, anyway, all Gabriel wants is better clothes than Biel's above, all Biel's above wants his Gabriel and Crowley suggests Alpha Centauri because I guess he's not let that go. Nope. And he looks, uh, meaningfully at, that is Irifel, who? Because that's where he wanted them to run away to last season. Yeah, do you remember that fight they had in the bandstand? I do. Cool. The bandstand fight.
Starting point is 00:50:40 Bandstand fight and then they're talking about Alpha Centauri outside the bookshop. Yeah. I'd go back and watch all that today. Then somebody killed my best friend. Anyway, I didn't watch that fast. There was already suffering enough. So Shaq somehow gets promoted in this as well. And Crowley asked for his flat back. And there's absolutely no acknowledgment from the Zerafel. So I guess the Zerafel is aware and is fine with the fact that the crony's been living
Starting point is 00:51:09 in his car for a few years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wait, where are we? Have they have those two faded away yet? Before they fade away. This has a few things that happen. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know, I'll trust the order of my bullet points. Meaning that Shaxx is asking, saying, you know, oh, we're going to send all of these
Starting point is 00:51:37 legions and legions of hell out and BLB says, like, mate, we know we're understaffed. Yeah. Which is nice to follow up from the conversation we were having last week about why isn't they're a legion. Mmm. It's just understaffed. Yeah. I was not pulling the crowds in the way it used to. No, no, well, I got pissed off after the last failed arm again and I bet.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Yeah. I wonder if there's actually quite a few free-floating agents. Mmm. Not willing to be legions. Could be. Anyway, yeah, and then go reel and be elsbob saying, as they fade away. I guess, 12th was in Jory. And is there a fail gets a little moment of, my clue had been confirmed.
Starting point is 00:52:22 He's very pleased to have a moment together with me. moment together with his name. And then he starts looking very wistful at currently. He does. They look so wistful. And Shaxon Fairfare have just a very cute little moment as well. They sort of go up and do a little fist bump thing. So I totally misread what I thought was probably going on between them after the Nazi flesh eaters. Yeah, no, I think just because their mannerisms are meant to be quite abrasive and unpleasant, yeah, I guess, like, that's just how they get along. I thought Shaxx was screwing for every bit,
Starting point is 00:52:55 but I guess actually they're kind of, didn't each other look so? Exactly, but yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not knocker-hooting, you know? Yeah, we can ship them as well If we want to ship them sure go ahead. Why not the world's gone mad that ship facts Yeah, actually sure, yeah, but I'm gum Gobbin facts
Starting point is 00:53:18 Going on a dumb and I throw ship version of shadow facts Like, they're all shit version of Shadowfags. Hahaha. How do you feel about Gabriel now? I mean, I feel like I meant to feel differently about Gabriel after this four minutes of looking lovingly into a demon's eye, but I don't because he's not a gem anymore, he's got all his memories back and he's still the same prick that tried to kill a Zerafile and do the whole thing. I don't see why they're suddenly redeemed just because two terrible beings have fallen in love. I don't know, I kind of do feel differently because yes, he was the archangel fucking Gabriel
Starting point is 00:53:59 and yes, he was shut, your stupid fucking face and die. And that's still very present in my mind. just stupid fucking face and die. Like, and that's still very present in my mind. But he has, although we only see four minutes of it, like the idea is that he has changed. Only because he wants something else now. He only said no to Armageddon because he wanted to be cast down. I don't think it was he wanted to be cast down.
Starting point is 00:54:19 He wanted to keep try and keep status quo, and he assumed he had more power than he did. And when he realized he didn't, it's like, okay, well, how's not a bad option B? I guess. It was all selfless reasons, not because he loved the world. No, because he was just happy to be able to, he just wanted to be able to, and that's nice, and I'm glad they're happy, I guess. But I don't feel like, why should we, why should we fucking like, gay, gay rule more for it? I think people for it fall in love, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I think I like him more for it because he's still willing to step away from power. He is not trying to fight to remain archangel. I guess. I think if he was in love with BL's Bubb, but also still determined to be top of the pack, I would just like him more. I guess it just kind of feels a little bit like a, you know, ex-fascist politician living out the rest of their life in Argentina. Yeah, no, I definitely, I see a point.
Starting point is 00:55:10 But for me, I don't know, I was on the break of everything else. I think honestly, it's mostly because Jon Hamm's so fucking charming. Oh, obviously. Yeah, like that did a lot. I don't like white lies, I'm just kidding. Whatever, I guess I hope they're happy with their lovely couple of little planets now for Centurion. We go to the coffee shop and we see the restaurant order a coffee. It was really entertaining, little conversation of Nina Threatenington-Mock, his coffee
Starting point is 00:55:40 order. In ordering something, I think quite sensible. I'll say with some almondszo, it sounds lovely. And they have a quick conversation about the name of the coffee shop, give me coffee or give me death. And does anyone ever ask for death? Hmm. I know obviously the give me blank or give me death bit is,
Starting point is 00:55:57 it's a, quite it was the American Revolution. I think it was some give me liberty or give me death. Yeah. But the, does anyone ever ask for death felt a bit sousi as ad the cake or death bit. Oh sure yeah yeah which gave me a nice excuse to go back and watch cake or death again. Okay. Anyway back in the bookshop Michael's threatening to get the book of life out. Give it a rest Michael. And the Mestron enters the bookshelf and proclaims Michael's threats, bolder dash.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Quite. Um, currently is the first one to recognize the Mestron. That was an interesting one. Finally, he recognizes somebody. Which made me think that they're coming to like, yeah. I mean, it's a real big face most of time. Yeah. And you know, angels aren't used to seeing it in human form, but I wonder if like,
Starting point is 00:56:47 if it is a power play thing and it's just okay, there's no point. That's not a power play, but this one. And he sends all of the angels except for Muriel away. Yep. And we're, and angels are like, did we do anything wrong? No, but God. That remains to be seen off you drop. And we get the conversation about the coffee itself and
Starting point is 00:57:10 admits to ingesting things in his time, which is another interesting. Maybe it's not so like I'm white that ingesting ties you to humanity. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I think that's more about I'm relatable. You can trust me. Yeah. You don't see him ingest anything. Yeah, we don't know, I think that's more about, I'm relatable. You can trust me. Yeah. You don't see him in dust, anything.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Yeah, we don't. There's something about the way he's talking in this as well, the exaggerated old hat speak, he prefers, and hefty jigger of almonds syrup, and bolder dash. I love Derek Jackaby. He plays like kind villain so well. Yeah, and that's it.
Starting point is 00:57:44 That's definitely coming across as kind villain so well. Yeah, yeah, and that's it. That's definitely coming across as kind villain, not kind, actual kind VRC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am the one disappointment I have with this episode is that we, well, the one disappointment I have with this episode, I am slightly sad we don't get more between David Tennant and Derek Jacobi just because there's a fun thing of them being on Doctor Who together as the Doctor and the Master as well. It was nice simmering attention, they're clearly used to playing on. Yeah, so the Mestron asks, um, the Zerophiles come for a little chat in a stroll and as they walk out the glare, he glairs at Crowley.
Starting point is 00:58:22 He's got this kind genial face on and then gives Crowley the death stare on his way out. It's very interesting and eventually painful at Crowley was just like, yeah, no, go for your chap, whatever. Clearly thinking that is there a foul's pass being chatted up by the Matadron? Yeah, he's like almost got too much faith in a Zeraphel.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Whereas the Zeraphel's got too much faith. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, the restaurant calls Muriel the dim one, which I thought was very me. Yeah, unkind. That's necessary. So then Nina and Maggie pop out of the coffee shop and we see Crowley tidying up the bookshop. And there's something really relatable about that, you know, when you're kind of tidying up to occupy yourself because you're waiting for something and there's not enough to tidy. So he keeps like moving the chair back and forth. I know.
Starting point is 00:59:14 And like the fast bit of tidying he's doing as well is very like I know this space and kind of underlines the fact that they've been spending a lot of time with the bookshop together. Like it's like right put that back over there and that goes there. And the chair goes in the song. Yeah. And then he moves the chair and he moves it back and then he moves it out and he sprees in it. So Nina and Maggie come in and sit down with Crowley for a chat.
Starting point is 00:59:38 And this is the scene where I take back everything I've said about Nina and Maggie throughout the season because I love this for them. Yeah. The little emotional intervention. Yeah, this explanation of, hey, why were you interfering with us? Maybe you sent your own life out instead. Now, Mr. Crowley, have you ever heard of projection? And the way their not-relationship ends in this series, they're not together, but there's hope for it for the future. And I said, like, last episode, if ended up any other way, but like, than that, I think I would have been a little bit disappointed.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Yeah, no, absolutely. Like, it's very like, no, I'll be here. Yeah. And then, oh, and then fucking stop Angel. The way she casually calls Maggie Angel, and it's exactly the way that Crowley calls us, Irofell Angel, and there's this really obvious parallel of... But for Nina and Maggie it's these people, okay they haven't got it worked out now, but they're probably going to work it out and then...
Starting point is 01:00:35 We hope that Zerafell and Crowley are going to work it out, but... No, Neil Gaven wanted to rip out our hearts and shred them. We've had the otherworldly parallel, we've now got the very worldly parallel and as usual we've got our two in the middle. Yeah, straddling the book, no, that was horrible. Sorry, shouldn't use the word straddling. Not all of this podcast. So, is it worth reacting to an offer from the restaurant and going to tell Crowley the good news? And the restaurant spots Muriel reading her book. So yes, it's very good thing to do. It's so politely sinister.
Starting point is 01:01:13 And Muriel's very, oh, good. Like that. Yes, really not sure. Like, yeah, they're expecting to be yelled at all the time, I feel like. If they're always dealing with Michael and the rest of them, they just kind of start with this low level. I'm in trouble for something. Especially as I guess they're also kind of worried that they're still going to get in trouble for bringing Crowley up to heaven. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. When you've just done something ridiculously
Starting point is 01:01:39 bad like that and then the metastron comes over and goes, oh, we're reading very well that. I'm like, okay, yeah, it is. I know it's good, it's good. They're like people. They're like, for the people. The book in question is the crowrode by Ian Banks, which is the same one that was referenced at here in the season. It's kind of part of the recommended reading list, which is the idea of all those it's books on the shelf. And that's, is that because Ian Banks and Neil Gaiman are friends collecting or was there
Starting point is 01:02:06 more of a relevance to the series? I think it's because like Ian Banks and Neil Gaiman are friends and also Neil Gaiman genuinely thinks it's a very good book. Okay. Like, if you think about the set of books, they're recommending obviously Good Omen's is on that shelf and it's also like the great Gatsby. Um, one of the Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. Pride and Prejudice, uh, great.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Expect no, tell of two cities. cities, it was the worst of times. Someone on Twitter has done an in-depth look at the shelf and what all the books are. I think I'm just confirmed it's recommended reading this, not to understand the show, but just books we think you'll like. So yeah, so we go into the bookshop. I've tried to break this off of it, we can talk about it a bit at a time.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Crowley wants to say something to a 0-File, but a 0-File ask him to hold that thought. Yeah, which, oh my fucking god. And a 0-File has changed his mind on the Mest, the Mestatron's not as bad as he thought. And we see some flashes of this conversation that Zerophel had with the Mestatron. Like the option of it is that Zerophel's been offered Gabriel's job, the high archangel, whatever. But we don't see the whole conversation.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah. And I feel like during the flashbacks, the point where his emotion changes isn't when he's offered that job, but when he's offered the chance to redeem Crowley. Yeah. And so he's come with this extremely exciting gift for Crowley. And he sure is an exciting gift.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Also, I just want to start this conversation off on a good foot, but I've got to tell you this first. But that's incredibly annoying obviously because Crowley probably just like, I'm not going to get this out if you don't like me. Yeah, it's so frustrating to watch, because there's this just incredible, like, palpable tension of them both trying to say this thing. Also, in the bits of message wrong conversation that we do be, do see, there's this question of like, is a zero fellow good candidate, does he have the qualities that the Metatron says he has
Starting point is 01:04:08 that we see him saying to a zero-fail outside the restaurant? He says, you know, you're a leader, you're honest, and you don't just tell people what they want to hear. That doesn't 100% sound like a zero-fail to me. No, we've seen him do a bit of leadership. But he's not a big take charge guy. No, and he's lies. He's very willing to lie. We saw him lying in the joke bit. And he does, he's happy to tell people what they want to hear. Think about things like putting
Starting point is 01:04:35 sister thingy to sleep and saying, you have a lovely dream about whatever you like best. Yeah, I guess, yeah, pretty much the obviously actually and those off sick qualities are what the metastron would one time sure and a, you know, a student that's not going to go Gabriel. Yeah. And yes, I was there if I makes this offer to make Crowley an angel again. And Crowley's not happy and they compare rejoining heaven to rejoining hell and Crowley's not happy and they compare, rejoining heaven to rejoining hell, and Crowley is like an incredulous about this. And just the shock, his glasses are off at this point so you can see his full face doing all its stuff.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Dylated snake peoples, eyebrows, a Kimbo. I'm allowed to say a Kimbo, right? If I can't say struggling. Yeah, absolutely. Good. And yeah, just the ugh. It is, it is incredulacy, just fuck. It is so hard to watch the zero fell in the scene, especially when he says to, when he says, but you're the bad guys, the way he includes, includes Crowley in that and Crowley's isn't off hell, he's just gone off and done his own thing.
Starting point is 01:05:42 Yeah. And work with them because that was kind of his option but has found this way to not even really do that. And it's shocking but then when you think about it, is it shocking? Because what Nina and Maggie have just said quite correctly, is you guys don't talk about this shit. Yeah. So why are we surprised that after Sixmania of not addressing the elephant in the room properly, it's still there. the elephant in the room properly, it's still there. And if we think right back to Job and the conversation they have at the end where Crowley tells a 0-fail that he hasn't really fallen, they don't take that conversation the step further and it's really highlighted by the distance
Starting point is 01:06:18 between them as they sit on that rock in that final shot of that mini-side. Yeah. Like they've been dancing around this conversation since I've built out the shoe I was delivering babies. So I just wanted to remind us of something fun before we get to the next bit. And so, yeah. So Crowley says his piece, Crowley's response, because Crowley cares about Earth, as well as the Xerofile. Yeah. And the Xerofile cares about Earth.
Starting point is 01:06:50 He's just not willing to look at this big picture that Crowley is looking at. Yeah. Not right now. And I think this is partly why I find this really painful to watch is because like coming out of a religious space and having been around people who are so indoctrinated in the Zerophilus doing that. That I know is not perfect, but I can change it. It's almost like watching someone go back to an abusive ex, which is exactly what Crowley is watching the Zerophilus do. Yeah, no, that I would say. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Exactly that. And he's trying to explain it to us. We've beat a group and we've not talked about it. And now it's time to talk about it. And you can just see, he can't get the words out. And it's never gonna be enough, because he has this one chance to explain it. And he knows he can't, because he's got 6,000 years worth of talking to do
Starting point is 01:07:37 in a minute. And ZeroFell's already made his mind up on something. Yeah, and he's got a talk, a ZeroFell out of all of the millennia of indoctrination at the same time, and he's desperately trying to convince him, you know, we've actually been in a relationship this whole time, can we just acknowledge it, can we just be us too? Yeah, and Zerophel wants to bring him with him and just continue the status that almost dragging him up to heaven would be continuing the status quo more than having this conversation
Starting point is 01:08:04 properly would. Yeah, like, to a Zerophel that's safe. him up to heaven would be continuing the status quo more than having this conversation properly word. Yeah. Like to a zero fell that safe. Yeah. You still want heaven. And then there's this horrible moment where Kroly says, you can't leave this bookshop. And he means me when he says bookshop. Yeah. He's saying you can't leave me. And a zero fell says nothing last forever. you can't leave me, and a zero fells is nothing last forever. Yeah. And that's where I also start thinking, maybe a zero fells not entirely himself in this moment. Yeah, I'm very torn on that question. But yeah, I don't think is black and white. I don't think this is all all a zero fell being indoctrinated or maybe that's wishful thinking.
Starting point is 01:08:43 We've got this kind of in season one, one of the arguments they have, it goes, you're so clever! How can you be so stupid? And there's obviously huge echoes this entire time to those scenes, but that one very strongly came back to me in this bit and just, and yeah, no, you're right, yeah, when you say, you can't, okay, I don't know where to put some of these bits. I've just got a stream of emotions and bullet points here. So OK, OK, so you go. Crowley starts to walk away from a 0-fail, but a 0-fail says that he still needs him.
Starting point is 01:09:18 And this is what we get with this absolutely heart-wrenching, bitter disappointment from Crowley. There's no nunching-ing gales. Yeah, and he's got his glasses back on now. And he's got his glasses back on. And the violins start doing some shit, don't they? The violins, they're violinin. The strings are swelling as strings that want to do. And Crowley goes in for the last ditch thing. And Crowley kisses a zero fail. In a horrible desperate, like, please feel something kiss. The least romantic, but most emotional kiss. Yeah. All of the
Starting point is 01:10:01 emotion is desperation and anger and the score suddenly does a thing. God, what? I don't know enough music to describe that, but it did the score scored. If David Arnold doesn't win some kind of award for this season, I'm going to write it. Write a strongly worded note. Okay, fine. No, the torch and a pitchfork. There we go. Come out better. Is this, should we talk about the spoiler thing here? Yeah sure. Okay so one thing we've also avoided mentioning is that there was
Starting point is 01:10:36 this kiss was spoiled accidentally maybe by Amazon Prime before the season even came out. It was a single, it was a screenshot of this case in a trailer that was meant to be like a Pride Months trailer, which meant because the way the trailer ran, it was this shot of them kissing with the word every over it and big letters. So the fandom's been referring to the spoiler as every. And it was a very weird thing where I thought maybe some of the response, like the fandom was really great about not sharing it and It got it got taken down my arms and prime within 24 hours because obviously it's a huge spoiler Neil Gaiman was
Starting point is 01:11:16 Unbelievably now fucking furious. I think it's a direct quote from his Twitter Which I kind of thought was no reaction by actually I spoke to my bur's about it briefly and he kind of gave me a bit more context of, yeah, it's in the final episode, it's the emotional combination of the season. So, so I knew this was coming, which I didn't mind because I had no idea other than it was gonna be a big climactic moment. I had no idea how we were gonna get there. I don't think I could have imagined this. No. And I think it's amazing how impact because loads of people will have been aware of this before they saw it. And I don't think it takes anything away from the impact of it.
Starting point is 01:11:52 I think it's such a great moment. Yeah, absolutely. It was when I knew there was going to be a kiss and I knew that was going to be something that would tear my heart apart. And I assumed, as I think you probably did, that it would be the classic, the two characters finally get the romantic moment and then outside forces to have them apart against the will entirely. But before the next line, which is obviously when it all ends, for everybody, we get a crony, despite wearing his glasses. The eyebrows are the most plaintive
Starting point is 01:12:26 thing I have ever seen in the moment after that kiss, his last attempt to keep. And as you're a fail with him, his pleading eyebrows. And God is fucking face. And then a zero fell says, I forgive you. And I said, you prick. I was watching it. I said something else, but we agreed to keep one swear word off the podcast. And I don't need to have to bleep anything, but yeah, no, it's fine. We're fine. Everything's fine. It's not fine. And he said it in such a horrible way.
Starting point is 01:13:05 It was so packed. He was setting the floor. He said it before. He said, may you be forgiven on the bandstand? Yeah. And he said, I forgive you. And both of those times were just after Crowley's asked him to run away with him. This is the third time Crowley has said, run away with me.
Starting point is 01:13:21 And as Zerifel keeps saying no and then keeps forgiving him. Because there's still that base of heaven in him that I want Crowley's redemption, I can only imagine it in one very specific way and it requires forgiveness. And if no one else in heaven can forgive him, then at least I can. Yeah. And he looks, Michael Sheen does the best conflicted face ever at this point. He looks he's furious. He's furious because Crowley has broken the rules of their game. Yeah. They're dance and now it's scary and now it's dangerous and now you you've ruined this game we've been playing for
Starting point is 01:13:56 6,000 years and I've enjoyed it and now now we have to acknowledge it. Yeah and he's and he's furious and then and then he touches his lips. And then he does this thing where he sort of shows himself up and smiles. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And again, that's where I'm, I'm feeling this maybe as Irofell's not up. You know, we were talking last week about the self hypnosis thing. Yes. Yeah, it feels like it's that. Yeah. Except obviously because we haven't seen the full metastron conversation,, maybe the mess strong also done some fuckery, but I feel like I feel it would be more emotionally satisfying if the 0fl was doing it to himself. I agree, I agree. And that yeah, again, we'll talk about it more next week, but there are a lot of
Starting point is 01:14:38 you know, theories about why 0fl is done this outer character thing, and I just don't think it's out of character. And I think I think it's more bull'sy piece of writing if a zero furl is genuinely just being an absolute dick at this point. Yeah and you know I think it's something you would do it's not it's not it's not out of character because we've seen again and again his faith his overwhelming faith and belief that heaven are the good guys has not been shaken possibly becauseibly because he was not the one who heard Gabriel say, shut your fucking stupid mouth and die. Yes. Possibly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:11 But he's seen a lot of bad shit. He knows that God was. Yeah. He saw no. He saw most of the Middle East drowned. Yeah. He was there at the flood. He knew that God had signed off on Crowley killing all those poor little goats and the children. Children. And Crowley wouldn't and didn't and I also, so it's, you know, biblical canon is that the metatron is literally not just a presidential spokesman type representation.
Starting point is 01:15:45 It is, this angel is needed because if you had God's voice, it would, it would kill you. Yeah. In Dockman, they do it very literally. A Lannus Morisette speaks and people said, Explode. Perfect casting for God's way. That is, yeah. Yeah. Not saying that I have a problem with a Lannus Marisette's voice is my very worn out copy of Jack and Lil' Pilgrim's test to you. So yeah, Crowley's like just sure he's effectively spoken to God. Even if he's still got that like presidential spokesman, he's gonna take Messerschon's word as
Starting point is 01:16:22 the word of God. It was irrefilt. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, is there a far not Crowley? Yeah, and yeah, I'm gonna tell you something, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something.
Starting point is 01:16:40 I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. aware that he's fucked up as well because he's he's gone along with us. He's not, he's known. They've had this huge thing between them the whole time. Yeah. And he'd left. They went past the end of the world and then still didn't do anything. When when when probably was in his rant and he goes, these last few years we didn't really, and he didn't finish that, but I think it's like we'd we'd never really moved on or did anything differently after that ridiculous fucking thing. Oh, and he was so excited to go for a boozy breakfast with him. He was so ready for that boozy breakfast at the Ritz.
Starting point is 01:17:11 Like he wanted to go back to the status quo originally until Nina and Maggie suggested, you know, maybe you have a fucking chat. Yeah, yeah. Which was overshaps. Maybe they should have talked to it over champagne at the Ritz. Maybe they fucking showed. Maybe they fucking showed.
Starting point is 01:17:29 And then yeah, just. So don't bother. God. And so So it was a referral and the metatron leave. And I get it. But before that, before that, I don't want to come on. Because the metatron goes, it's the rightatron leave. I get it. But, before that, before that,
Starting point is 01:17:45 do you want to come on? Because the Metatron guy is the rent he won. Oh, he returns to collect a 0-fail. Yeah. So Muriel's going to stay in charge of the shop. And so, is there anything he wants? And the 0-fail looks around, says no. And I mean, that's two things there.
Starting point is 01:18:02 No, because the one thing you want to take with Crowley. Yeah. No, it's all, it's all of it. How can you say, I want all of it. I want this with me. And as he looked back, he hesitates for a second. And as he says, I think I, the better the kiss score comes back just for one second, he swells back up again. And then I think I, and then that shakes himself out of it. And he resets his face again. And he's resetting his face into that smile that's almost a grimace. And the bookshop looks so beautiful that morning is the thing. And the sunlight is shining through perfectly.
Starting point is 01:18:34 And it's this contrast between not just hell being awful, but heaven being awful and stark and boring and empty. And the contrast, the gorgeousness of this bookshop that he built over his entire age and the scrolling letters. He's externalised his personality in this place. Well, how can I take one part of that? I suppose he could have done something like taking the mug and that would have been pathetic.
Starting point is 01:18:59 And so he was right not to take anything, but it's so sad. And it's also like he is shaking off this life he builds on Earth to go and be a fucking archangel. He walks off and David turns leaning against his car. Oh, and then Crowley's watching and they get into, they're going to the pub to get in the lift. And the restaurant casually mentions the second coming and believe me next week in the bonus episode I'm gonna get fucking biblical. Yes, I feel at that point I
Starting point is 01:19:35 feel at that point as there are fail. His look back at Crowley looked different from the other ones and I wonder then if he realized he had fucked up and at this point there's nothing you can do about it, but go along and try and make a difference. So I don't know. Maybe. I might just be reading what I want to read into it. Also that. And yeah, and then Crowley gets in his car and a nice and girl sang in Berkeley Square
Starting point is 01:20:01 plays. Just for a second. And it's not just the story, it's theaurie Amos version that played over the end of season one, which has lived on my wallowing playlist ever since. Oh, yeah, I have a deep emotional connection to that song. And we get this sad piano split screen over the final credits. Which I want to mention, when we did our good omen season one like recap episode
Starting point is 01:20:28 and like to had to season two, I did say, I wonder if because they want to do a season three, we're not gonna get a happy, neatly tied up ending at the end of season two. And I think I actually said, I'm not sure that Nightingale's going to be singing in Berkeley Square at the end of season two, and Neil Gaiman's fucking little monkey pour. Oh yeah, no, look where you did, look where you did. I didn't do this, this is Neil Gaiman. Okay, sorry, I got really shoutsy that. Neil Gaiman's little monkey pour.
Starting point is 01:20:59 All right. Oh, I'm sorry, Neil Gaiman. It's all hope Neil Gaiman never hears us. I'm sorry, Neil Gaiman, we're big fans. This is a very good episode of television, which is quite emotional. Jesus fucking Christ. It's all just so tied together for them that it's so, and Crowley's driving away again in the same way that he drove away from the bookshop the first time with all the crying and the fire and the breakdown.
Starting point is 01:21:25 But this time it's just, you know, crying behind his sunglasses, you get the picture, but just much more given up face. Yeah. It's like now what? Who's he going to appreciate the world with? Yeah. The world's not ending as it was in the first one, but he's just left
Starting point is 01:21:46 here now. Yeah, I don't know what to say. We were going from this into like our best bits from the episode, aren't we? Yeah, when we go into the whole recap, I think we can talk a bit more about just their general relationship as well, can't we? Because we'll look at the whole series. Yeah, there's one. But yeah, just this, what do you think of Michael Shane's face? Well, let's let's go into the superlatives. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So quotes, um, oh, sorry, that's right, we'd be quite first. I'll try to segue for you. Well, let's let's let's go into the face thing actually because it's very relevant to that final shot. Mm-hmm. Um, I'm giving my character does a face award to which will multiple things, which I've talked about is my machine doing the thing where a zero file goes from like distraught to kind of determined to doing that mad.
Starting point is 01:22:37 Almost grimacing grin and you see him do it in the lift in that final split screen shot over the credits. You see him do it one last time. Yeah. And it's haunting and I don't know what it means and we can speculate about it next week, but oh, it's good. It is. And it's so a fucking range on that man, just in this one character having gone from just this devoted love of Crowley to, you know, the fear and the conflict over heaven. And yes, as you say, this, this internal rewriting of his, this possible self-ifmessive, whatever it is. Whatever's going on in there. And oh, fuck. So what's your character? Yeah, a bit more over just croly's absolute horror and shock as a zero fail, so it's heaven of the good guys. Look, we're the good ones and croly's just like, fucking what? Sorry,
Starting point is 01:23:37 did the last few years not happen? Yeah, it's a kind of great shock. Yeah, just like, are you fucking kidding me? We've had this conversation. Yeah. We've had this exact conversation. We've been through this. We've been through the end of the fucking world. Yeah, not the good guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:57 And just the realisation that ZeraFail hadn't gotten over it, is he just assumed he had? I think as well, as well as them not having the conversation, Crowley is kind of blinkered, Crowley just as ZeroFell was not willing to see how bad Heaven was, Crowley wasn't willing to look at how bad as ZeroFell was, not bad as in bad, bad as in how much she was still stuck to it. Yeah, definitely. How much you still stuck to it. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, you know, we've talked a lot about the Gabriel trying to kill, is it a foul thing and how Crowley obviously feels about that.
Starting point is 01:24:34 Yeah. But the, it's also my thing about just that initial trauma that Crowley must have had. Now we've seen a minute of beginning of this and how different he was. And he's just fundamentally from almost the very beginning of time, a very different being. And they just don't quite grasp that until this moment. And it's tough. So on that note, quote, if I recall it from the F-sade, I think yours is just before mine. Yep. When Heaven ends life on Earth, it'll be just as dead as if hell ended it.
Starting point is 01:25:13 God, that was a good line. Yeah. And again, again, it's crly with that face because we've talked about this. This is one that we have talked about. We went over this last time they tried to win the world. Remember the ending the world thing? Just the same thing. Because we like the world. And yes, that's the point. No nightingales, you idiot. We could have been us. I think this is it. It could have been us. God, it's... I think Kiss is it. It could have been us.
Starting point is 01:25:44 God, it's... I can't just keep saying it's got wrenching. It's got wrenching. We know it's got wrenching. We haven't even talked about the Kiss really. In almost any other context, that kind of kiss would be hard to watch in different ways. But with all of the background and all of the knowledge that fucking microd, I'm sorry,
Starting point is 01:26:08 a Zeriffel's constant like arguments with himself and just the desperation and just the... It's almost like a kiss of life moment. Yeah. And yeah, a Zeriffel doesn't like kiss in back, I suppose, or say, no's not the kind of kiss we could kiss in back No, it's just kind of experience is it yes, it's very in to that sort of yeah fuck Let's come So I'd have a couple of slightly lighter moments before we we come out of this episode Because this is a not the note to end on
Starting point is 01:26:42 before we come out of this episode. Because this is not the note to end on. I didn't know a bunch of Easter eggs. This is not an Easter egg, have you ever said? But there was one I spotted, which is, when Crowley grabs Gabriel's box and tips out what's in it. Yes, that's. What's in it is Shakespeare's Lost Quarters.
Starting point is 01:26:59 Tell me about the comedy. It's a line in, actually, I meant to have this up. Sorry. It's a line in, actually, I meant to have this up, sorry. It is from Book One of Goodomans, sorry, Book One of Goodomans, from the book Goodomans. And it's talking about a particularly unlucky publishers obtained one of the fame lost quarter, so it's the three Shakespeare plays, never reissued him folio,
Starting point is 01:27:25 only their names have come down to us. The comedy of Robin Hood, or the forest of Sherwood, is the one that's mentioned. And I think the other two names are mentioned, the book is well, but it's on different page. No, it'll spend ages scrolling. But yes, those are the, that's what's in the box, the Zerafat, that Crowley tips out.
Starting point is 01:27:43 That's a really nice little detail. And's what's in the box that is a rough that Crowley tips out. That's a really nice little detail. And what else is in the box? A letter from a John Gibson, who was a, as it says on the letter of postmaster in America. In the 1800s, the date seemed a bit off, but he also had a fairly unfortunate and interesting life. I found a page on him, I can link to, but in a kind of everyday he was the sound of Scottish immigrants over there. And also because of that, I then thought, I wonder if that's got any linked the letter from America song by the proclaimers that was playing before Gabriel switched it to every day.
Starting point is 01:28:19 And the father, because that's about Scottish immigrants to America. And this is about that. And it's about the same time frame they were singing about. And this is all that. So this is a rabbit hole. I didn't get to go very far down, but I'll link to some information. Listen, and if you don't know already, then please feel free to follow that rabbit hole. Amazing. So helicopter and linecloth watch. Oh, yeah, sure. Um, for helicopter, I'm going with all of our heart rates during the kiss.
Starting point is 01:28:46 Ha, ha, ha. Smasher, blood pressure during that entire conversation. Yes, it seems unlikely, but I pretty sure my heart was just spinning around as well like that. Like it was, it didn't feel healthy. I was just a maize to discover. I definitely still had one. And I'm doing this partly as a call back
Starting point is 01:29:04 to the first episode because this should have been given the award at some point. But Jim's box is getting the loincloth. I've got it. Did it not in the first episode? No, it was the sheet he was wrapped in. Oh, yeah. Because that was actual cloth. Mm-hmm. See, I started, I started really a second. Jim's had a lot of loincloths this season actually, I think he's got the line cloth most episodes. Right. On John Ham, they could accept for a cardboard box, I think that's the best note we could possibly end on considering. Yeah. She'll live next week. So yeah, we're to be giving you a bonus, Get Omen's wrap up episode. We are going
Starting point is 01:29:47 to talk about all of the wild theories we had during the show. We're going to talk about all the wild theories we've got going forward, giving out some awards. Again, if you've got any thoughts and feelings about it, you can contact us about it. Remember, at the moment, season three is not confirmed so as well as racing reviewers and maybe telling people about us make sure you're talking about good moments I guess. Talk about it. Watch it again if you want to tell your friends to watch it.
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Starting point is 01:30:31 Renew Good Omen's Give Me Season Three, or Give Me Death. Okay. Drama, I love it. Well, I'm assuming it's a reference to the coffee shop, but it confused me because I thought it was enough, like, means death thing for a second. Oh, sure. What can I say? I like my show. I think it's soon. Anyway, so yeah, send us your thoughts
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Starting point is 01:32:10 fine. Incoherent. Kissed, squawking. No, that's nice. Cool. Yeah, no. That's a whole bit. We can't start cutting out ink in here and squawking now. We won't ever put up. China, the statistics show. 60% of our content is incoherent squawking. The numbers don't lie. Now we went up a plug up. China, the statistics show. 60% of our content, they think I'm here in school. Okay, the numbers don't lie.

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