The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - 126: Going Postal Pt. 3 (Story-Shaped Story)

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan and Francine Carrel, read and recap every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series in chronological order. This week, Part 3 of our recap of “Going Postal”. Quicksilver! Synergy! Pigeons! Find us on the internet:TTSMYF Discord: https://discord.gg/GWk2TYZKcn Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodInstagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: [e-mail]: www.patreon.com/thetruthshallmakeyefretWant to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:Justice Lost In The Post - Private Eye OnlineAos Sí - WikiSave The Cat! The Last Book on Screenwriting You’ll Ever Need - Goodreads"Weird Al" Yankovic - Mission Statement - YouTube Blake Snyder - WikiThe Russian Woodpecker: The Story Of The Mysterious Duga Radar - War History Online The Black Team - Penzba.co.ukTerry Pratchett's Going Postal - Sky1 Comedy Drama - British Comedy GuideMusic: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

This could have been an email. It's could have been a message in an ematic tube. Go on. I'm just the point of having a new magic tube this time if we don't. So I've been on holiday. Yeah, how was that? It was good. I got in the sea. I got in the fucking sea.

Get in the fucking sea. It was a cold. It was. It was fucking breathing. My mum does wild swimming. She goes into the sea every morning for health and vigor. And she seemed so taken with the idea that I might join her for once because I was coming earlier in the year than October. I remember that I did twice. I did not swim properly, but I got very attacked by waves. Good. And so it got probably soaked.

Um, yeah, it was invigorating. I would not recommend it. Um, were you full of them? Some of them, some of them, I think, uh, adrenaline from fair half my life possibly. And you know, I say this is somebody grow up swimming in the sea. I like swimming in the sea when it's warm. It's just when it's cold and there's waves crashing over your head.

It, there's a lot for a body to take, especially when said body is not used to try to spy ocean. No, it was quite. You do feel pretty good afterwards. It's the same thing. It's the same kind of idea as a cold shower, I guess, isn't it? It gets you blood. Yeah. All places. Those ice plunge things. So you're in a sauna and then you go and jump in the ice. And I did that once, that's bad. Yeah, I can't.

Not actually in the ice. Yeah. I can't seem myself enjoying it on the basis that I hate saunas. Yeah, I didn't even get in the sauna after being in the sea. I was saying I got no too cozy for a bit. But I used to like saunas when I was a teenager. I think I was a bit of a lizard as a teenager and I've slowly, that makes sense, slowly transformed into a more

mammalian still, you know, like house cat level of wanting to be curled up in the warm, but yeah, that's what I'm not curled up in the warm. I like coming up in the warm, but saunas are too much for me. I think they give me horrible kitchen flashbacks. Yeah. Especially when people keep ringing bells and like insisting you take fights for food every hour. We're sorener and very... Why don't we just keep going to a kitchen? Yeah. For legal reasons, listeners, I must clarify that I have never been naked in a restaurant. Yeah.

Well, certainly nothing that I'd tell anyone about, because that would be a violation of the food hygiene rules, Francine. Indeed. I should probably warn listeners now that this podcast is going to come to you pretty much aren't edited, because I have no time to edit it. It's being recorded and released on Monday night. Excellent. I'm so proud of us. And that's because of the sea. It is, mostly because of the ice-skiss and I'm sticking to it.

To give a nice time Sunday. I did have a nice time Sunday. We work and I try and record Sundays. This will come out in time because you were technically back from your holiday and then I said, I didn't want to be the one to say could we do Monday instead because I want to go and have a little day out. But then I did and you were up for it. So, sorry, I was just, I was on happy day here. It gave me a bit more time to look into postal avatars. Excellent. Yeah, that's what we all need to look at in our day. And nice time I went to a little steam punk day at the Museum of Power, which what a fucking name. Museum of Power. Yeah. There's a little steam museum. It's very

over in Molden. It's very similar to like, blessing them. That sort of thing. There's even a little train you could ride around on. And it was that sort of borderline between this is fun and this is incredibly cringe. Yeah. Like T-Jall in and that sort of thing. They get two people up on stage and they have to dunk a biscuit and then see who's biscuit doesn't break off the longest. I get it now you've explained it to me. I'm still baffled that you said it and thought I'd know what you meant. It is often done at these sorts of steam munglings but there was many was no music or anything to go along with that, so we just looked at stalls.

I just feel like Fiskit, don't get you. Oh my god. Oh my god, we have to do that next time we get coffee. Our friend will be appalled. We have to ask him to agitate. And yeah, I was also slightly put off by the one stall that was selling hats and then had in a little case of bits and bobs, a yo-yo with a swastika on it. Yeah, yeah.

It's not ideal. Just don't sell chit with swastikas on, I feel. Yeah. Did you listen to the latest behind the bastards? It's not quite latest, but the history of the swastika. No, I didn't. I'm super behind on that, because I've been listening to Star Wars Things. I mean, this is obviously no excuse to be selling anything with the swastikar on it as

a steam-point rally. However, it probably, interestingly, came from not-and-arts the originally... I know the origins of the swastikar are not with Nazis, but they also had the SS logo on the other side. That's probably not one of the... This was a Nazi swastikar on a yo-yo. Yeah. I know you know the origin, but it's interesting to know the just

before the nazi tries about it was also just like a real like pop culture thing in american knickknacks and that it was really good I can imagine that yeah but yeah no this was a nazi yo yeah which is all the things to be nazi a yo yo yeah yeah it was just like, yo, no. Well, fuck, I wish I was editing this. But I did acquire a vintage RAF dress uniform. And it looks fantastic. It does. And he's a few tweaks. Because it's from the 1950s, so it's a little bit raggedy in places. We paste it in the discord.

I will post a picture of it in the discord, yeah. And also, it doesn't quite fit me. Looks good there. It does fit. I never wear clothes at of it in the discord. Yeah. And also it doesn't quite fit me. Looks good there. It does. I never wear clothes of it. So that's fine. Oh, I don't mind clothes that are too big. It's quite snug on the waist. I actually bought it on the basis that the trousers absolutely weren't going to fit. They were going to be too small. And I'd be cannibalizing them for fabric. And then was pleasantly surprised to find I can just about do them up. But I need to let the waist out a tiny bit

and possibly replace the button flow with a zip just on the basis that there's only so much fumbling I'm willing to do when I need to pee. I say, darling, fumbling. Oh no. But yes, I'm quite pleased with that purchase. Yeah, I'm glad. And she'll feel very dapper. Might my one purchase week is bring back some Jersey Fudge for the office.

Excellent, it's expensive now. Cost of living in this economy, etc. Or even essentials such as Jersey Fudge. Even essentials such as Jersey Fudge, yes. Absolutely appalling. And so, not a big Fudge fan. I'm not really name. It's 60 teeth too much. It's too sweet.

Also, I think I've just been giving it as a souvenir too many times, and then you know you don't really fancy it, and it's just kind of there, and then you've got this Fudge like on the counter judging you. Yeah, a Judgy Fudge. Judgy Fudge. I don't know, that one was bad. That was worse than the, you know, fencing.

Look, I'm trying. I'm not blaming you. I've been to the apart from the dentist. I've talked to anybody today, so I'm just kind of revving up here. That might make me look your verbal fluffer. Yeah. So I love you so much, too. But anything I said, I know I'm just trying to get

make us both on the same level. Mm-hmm, that's fair. Yeah, yeah. drag yourself down to my level, much better, I do. It'll be quicker than trying to get me to any way that's possible. Don't try and come all the way up to these lofty heights. I'm for... Oh, nothing good. Well, that note, you want to make a podcast? Yes, I do. I do want to make a podcast, I do.

Hello and welcome to the true shammy key fret, a bookst in which we are reading and recapping every book from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series One of Stymic and Chronlogic Lauder, I'm Joanna Hagen. And I'm Francie Carol. And this is the final part of our discussion of going postal. The post is gone. Everywhere.

I've been playing this. Oh God. No unspo in the points. Oh God. No spoilers before we crack on. We are a spoiler light podcast. Obviously heavy spoilers for the book going postal, but we will avoid spoiling any major future events in the Discworld series and resaving any and all discussion of the final discworld novel,

The Shepherd's Crown, until we get there. So you, dear listener, can come on the journey with us. A stage coach headed to January protected by four men with crowbars. Any more men with crowbars on our podcast? Yeah. Got our buckets and spades. Beautiful. Follow up. Things to follow up on. Follow up. We have some. I have some. Certainly. So in the discord, Pete Jordan, regular correspondent said that he was surprised we'd

not mentioned the horizon or Fujitsu or derisery gestures of focal sensation by people derailing any possibility of taking responsibility for their own actions sort of thing, which for anyone who's not familiar with the horizons, can I don't maybe be absolutely nonsense, so I will explain. This is something I wasn't going to go into because it's not quite as relevant as I'd won, and it does make me very cross, but I will try and briefly summarize it, very briefly summarize it,

and then I'll link to a fantastic special report from Private Eye, which they've very kindly made. Just for us. Yeah, just for us. Yeah, just for us. Pages and pages, it's amazing. Do you know much about this before I, before I...

No, no, I haven't been reading up on it. Cool. So, 1999, the post office, which was still part of Royal Mail at the time, rolled out a counting software called Horizon, developed by Japanese firm Fujitsu. Right from the off, subpostmasters, which are individuals who run the post office rancors,

started reporting that the new software was dodgy. There were discrepancies in the accounts and money was straight up missing and they couldn't explain it. However, the post office, instead of perhaps trusting, trustworthy employees employees insisted that horizon was robust and refused to publicly accept the possibility that it had caused a discrepancies. Privately, higher ups in both Fujitsu and the post office knew that horizon was littered with bugs. That's quite important. As they had no support or even a good faith audience to appeal to, so postmasters scrambled to

cover these losses themselves. We're talking thousands of pounds, it's tens of thousands in some cases. And so some of them couldn't, or wouldn't. And the post office started prosecuting them for theft, for fraud and or for false accounting. Oh, fun fact, the post office is pretty much unique in that it can bring private prosecutions thanks to the historical and now frankly defunct necessity. I mean, just to say no, it's fucking insane that the victim in this case is allowed to bring the prosecution and victim obviously in a scare quotes that the party that perceives itself as the victim

is a like bring prosecute absolutely fucking insane. Anyway, they manage 918 successful prosecutions between 1991 and 2015, despite a mark lack of evidence. Once they had a criminal prosecution, the post office was then pressed on and through various other legal nonsensees seized assets from the prosecuted parties. These tactics caused false imprisonment, divorce, ill-health and at least one suicide. I mean, actually, here's a link to the episode, to the podcast episode. I'm referring here to Martin Griffiths, who took his own life in 2013 after being unjustifiably slung on the hook for tens of thousands of patents. His successor was not told what had happened to him. Jesus. And he was eventually also

suspended and ordered to pay thousands after further horizon fuckery. This story goes on and fucking on and the more layers you peel back, more infuriating it gets. The affected subpostmasters weren't told about the rest of the cases, like they were deliberately kept in the dark here. They were on their own, they were isolated, there was nothing they could fucking do, it terrifies me. The post office changed guidelines to make disputing the discrepancies, basically impossible. It's just, ah, it's one of the biggest, or certainly the most widespread miscarriages of justice in British history. And again, I will link to a proper report in the show,

no, it's because we can talk about this for fucking hours and nobody wants that apart from me. So I'll link to the private I think, but that basically, I hate your happy feet. So, but yeah, you know, but you were right, it probably did mention it. I'm also the Samplow Smasters, a lot of them have sued the post office now. There has been this post office

has done everything they can to fucking block any kind of justice. They've lied to fucking M.P.s about this. They've lied to any authorities looked into it. There's finally some compensation being offered. It's a whole thing. I'll probably, I probably link to a new story as well because it's updated fairly recently. It is fucking appalling and atrocious and horrific. It is all of those things. Do you have a less appalling atrocious and horrific follow-up to heighten the tones slightly? On our lighter notes, because we always believe things should end on lighter notes. Thank you Mr. Dawon. The end of the beginning. First we've been reassured by multiple sources that chips are in fact

reheatable shallow frying and air fryer seen the ways pop corruption's personally I won't be indulging in this air fryer nonsense. My uncle's got them. Just been a holiday with the family. I've had a lot of out air fryer's. I mean he's genuinely delighted that everybody gets one seems to be genuinely delighted. And at this point, I'm just worried it's a cold item. I am 99% sure it's a cult. Yeah.

Yeah. But the business will go under soon. It'll do what Instant Pot did. Yeah. Because they add like Instant Pot, there's no way to build in obsolescence with a product like that. So once everyone gets their air prior, the business has nothing else to fucking do. And constant growth instead of just steady profit is necessary in the modern, sorry, don't

stand me off on capitalism again. Anyway, okay, less capitalistic. We got an email from Claudia, hi, Claudia. There's a probably apocryphal anecdote from German history that's relevant to the current book. In 1933, Paul von Hindenburg was German head of state and his portrait was on many stamps. When a Saturn Mr Hitler was gaining power in Parliament, Hindenburg refused to appoint him Chancellor. According to legend, he said, the only position I'd give him is postmaster general,

then he can lick me from behind the German equivalent of Kiss My Ass. It's not sure a lot more graphic, isn't it? Yeah. is my ass. Not sure a lot more graphic isn't it? Yeah. Chris said she's not sure how true the story is but it's famous enough my history teacher once quoted in class and it's probably it's likely that Pratchett also knew it. Fantastic I love it. So on that note should we should we talk about the book going postal? Yes let's. Now that we're at the half-narrant the episode um Francie what happened previously on Going by Still? Previously on Going by Still. Crispin horse fry panics, but not for long.

Reach Gilts special contractor brings such unpleasant trees screeching to a halt. Meanwhile, Lipvig survives a male slide stumbles through the postman's walk, receives his golden hat and ascends into avatarsum, propelled on wings of paper and ink. The morning after, he must make good on the promises made in his mercurial rhapsody, so he sends out a shiny buttoned postman and post-golams, golems, sorry, before delighting Stanley with stamps. And now it's time to raise the stakes, and moist joins Boris in biting the horizon on route to Stoelat with a post-sack.

He's won the hearts of Aunt Warpork, but further provoked Richard Gilt and so during his dinner with a daughter that postmaster generals meld smoke on the air. Ooh, ooh. So in this section, don't usually do helicopters in loincloths before now. No, no, it's afterwards. Every time I can't do this, what's wrong with me? Please. I'm not saying that you have so much fun. I know, well, it's a different page to my notes these days, you see. I've got a change. I'm not saying that. Sorry.

In this section, which begins in chapter 10, goes all the way to the end. We've not saved the epilogue for a separate episode. In chapter 10, the letters burn and Stanley follows the rules, moist, heroically, rescue, Stanley, and grotesque a bit worse for wear as the post office burns. Of course, he has to go back for the cat currently under the sorting engine and comes face to face with Gryll, who meets an unfortunate end

and physics-diet-defying end. Meanwhile, the golems fight the fire, but cold water hits a glowing hot angamarage who goes to sit in the black sands. F5. Rainfalls and moist things about rebuilding from the ashes. He remembers Albert Spangler's money and just needs some divine intervention. As he dances with a dora, he promises to take down guilt.

Early in the morning, Moist sends a letter to Offler and other gods and gets the male moving. The Gnu's Fusu Dopolis warning is on his mind. Miss McCullary at Sobs the clacks go go down and moist announces a male run before stepping into the light and hearing the gods. Chapter 11, Investinari's office. We get a handy rundown of events in the space between chapters. There has been a riot at the clacks office. Moist followed the gods to bury gold. Moist goes to visit Grotin Hospital and gets him in his strange syrup discharged. Right! At the post office. Sorry. Plac-top is fuck. No panicking at discos on this podcast, Francine.

The Grand Drung's board are concerned, and Pony explains why maintenance might be an issue. Reacher's not panicking, he's just finding some funds, and makes a deal with Pony and heads to the Times. Late at night, letters arrive for Moist, and an early edition of the Times, featuring Reacher's best corporate nonsense leads to some effusive swearing. Adora shares her history with Crooks, and Moist makes a plan to attempt the impossible. Chapter 12, veterinary visits Moist, who's challenged the clax in a race to Genua. Moist has eight to one odds on, but guilt's making plans. Pony outlines procedures to protect against sabotage, and Moist tells Adora he's out of ideas. He wants her help and tells her the whole truth.

In return, she sends him to the roof. Up in the sky, Moist prayers are answered by the smoking gnome. They've got an idea to take out all the towers. Japt 13, Rid Cully plays pool and picks a book. Moist dreams about the trunk burning and wants to change the message instead of wreaking havoc. He's got a plan to wreck guilt. He grabs some paperwork from Adora and shows up late to the starting line with a broomstick in hand. After a personal bet with guilt, he makes a proposal and rise out on the mailcoach.

Moist stops at the tower and tells the canoe to drop the woodpecker, they'll be killing with words. After intercepting with his own message, he heads back to the city to slip into the Omniscope audience just in time to see Colourbone get a clacks from the dead. slip into the Omniscope audience just in time to see Colourbone get a clax from the dead. In chapter 14, uproar rebounds. Veterinary calls for a vast audit. The towers light back up. Guilts gone missing and the board's been detained. Moist as one, he's got a lot to do. Pump gets a new job and a cockatoo is delivered. Veterinary watches the auditors, the city yet saved by the fantasy of gold. Finally, in the epilogue, guilt declines an angel. So helicopter and mindcloth watch. helicopter goes to Moist's not airborne broomstick because

you never know it could have done. Yeah, absolutely. I like to think it was a deliver to Naniag somewhere on route to. I hope so. Yeah, I don't know, it got taken off, whatever, whatever. It should come across it. As far as loincloths go, I'm giving the honour to Miss McAlarriets, Hanca Chiefs. Very good. Very good for you, no? Which is also what I'm naming my coffee shop, no, no. And just also, if it's we keep track of, we are currently in the century of the anchovy.

Oh, good to know. I do like... good to know. I do like to make a savory sauce with the, with your century. Was your favorite quite front scene? My favorite quite Joanna. I think we've both gone poetic this time, haven't we? But what was happening now? This was magical.

Ordinary men dreamed it up and put it together, building towers on rafts and swamps and across the frozen spines of mountains. They cursed and worse used logarithms. They'd waded through rivers and dabbled in trigonometry. They hadn't dreamed in the way that people usually use the word, but they'd imagined a different world and bent metal around it. And out of all the sweat and swearing and mathematics had come this thing, dropping words across the world as softly a starlight. I love that bit. Yeah, it's beautiful. What is?

Mine is, I think, just a little bit later. Yeah. Silence, said Vestinari. It wasn't a very loud word, but it had an effect, rather like that of a drop of black ink in a glass of clear water. The words spread out in coils and tendrils, getting everywhere. It's strangled the noise. Ultimate simile.

Fantastic simile, and a nice, because it's Vettinari, it's definitely a bit of tincture infusing the soup of the afternoon. Oh, yeah, yeah. Tincture. Strongly implied. Tincture. Always strongly implied, I feel, where veterinary is concerned.

Carried says. Yeah, got a few of them. Yeah, yeah, let's start with the first round. Well, try and rattle. And there's for hassle. He's having a day. Couple of them. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about Brassel. Brassel. Brassel. Brassel. He's having a day. Couple of days. Yeah, I didn't keep track of how much he slept, but I think it wasn't enough,

although possibly not quite down to Vines and levels in Nightwatch. Yeah. He definitely does need to sleep, who are failing that some klachi and coffee. Yeah, oh god. Can you imagine? I don't want to imagine a nerd moist. But yeah, so moist, fun, that thing. Redemption arc, see, Prem. Love the Redemption arc. Again,

I love the fighting the Redemption arc every step of the way and being redeemed anyway. I think it kind of follows on from what I was talking about with him last week, when he's going in, he had to find the cat, because if he didn't, he wouldn't be fun anymore. If he didn't risk at least a tiny bit of life in a smitching of limb, he just wouldn't be able to carry on being him, which he thinks to himself

and then immediately thinks to himself, God, what am I on about? I didn't know one told me not not to be like this. Oh man. So my main point about most fun that they're really is the the cleverness of the perspective of having his in and narrative without giving away the plan. Yeah. And I don't know if this is something you wanted to go into in your talking point. We can talk about this. Okay, cool. But yeah, just because I know perspective is something you'd like to look at. And I think this is just a, we talked about in previous episodes how his kind of blackouts for the avatar interludes were quite a clever way of keeping slightly in the dark

or at least fast forwarding through some of the nonsense. But when they're talking about the plan that won't work, and the coach on the way to January, Moist knows he's not going to win, but we don't know how he knows. All we know is that, and just having like the a very slight insight into his mind without all the inner workings. I think it's very clever. If understated, why are writing first, first and third person? Yeah, third person, but with narrative. Yes, person, centric, third person, something like that. Yeah, that sounds right, sure.

The way it sort of goes off into montages when he proposes plans to the smoking canoe and it automatically steps away a little bit. Yeah. It's really cleverly done. Yeah. And it keeps the pace perfect. We know something's happening. We don't know what, but it doesn't like smoke and mirrors it all. It just goes, you're fun out in a minute. No, and like obviously we're gonna save talking about the TV adaptation for the For we're gonna do that at Christmas and sort of now But so we don't get the scene where he finds the buried gold in this and we do in the TV adaptation And it's actually one of my favorite scenes in it because it works. It works visually. It's fun and yeah And yeah, it just it doesn't need to be here.

Veterinary summing up events works better. Exactly, I love that. Yeah, you get this kind of impassive. And here's what you did, dearacle. And it works because he's pretending he doesn't remember being possessed by the gods as such. Yeah.

He's definitely, he's got the kind of, theines allowing that now I'd stir through your head thing down. Yes, don't take him as long to pick up. I love his frustration in this bit as well. He's just, he dances and enjoys this idea of bringing the post office back from the ashes, because he's had this idea. But then he finds out everyone's betting on him for the race and he's just like, I need you to believe that I can't. It's not physically possible. It's a two-week coach drive and everyone's just sort of winking at him and tapping their nose and... Yeah, the more honest he's being about being a crook, the more people are believing him and that's what kind of he's always, well, that's what Richard Gilt certainly has always relied on. And yeah. And it gets the same thing when he's talking to a

door, doesn't he? Yeah, a little bit. And this is a con coming back to Hauntum, which is slowly happening more and more as he gets redeemed throughout the book. And I think this is the quickest account has come back to Hauntum. Yeah. He's lied about being able to do something and immediately seeing the consequences of it. But I do love when he does his big reveal to Adora, A, he says I think I fall in into good ways. And B, he says I'm not rich a guilt, that's important. It's like a goal I'm not being a hammer. Yes, I am a con man, but I'm not that human. Yes, I have conscience. And he gets his last moments not in the golden suit before the big end game of the book. He's lonely. He didn't want to be a person you forgot, someone who was one step above a shadow,

that I think that's almost, it's a really quiet moment, but it's one of his biggest redemption things. He doesn't want to be a face in the crowd anymore, partly because he loves what he can do as the man in the Golden Zoo. And partly because he is more than just the con man who was just a face in the crowd. Yeah. Who is it he's talking to when he has that flash of, you know, the crossroads of his life? It's my aura. It is a aura is it? Yeah, it is my possible future life. That's another bit of that, isn't it? It's the... Yeah, it's just after Mr. Pumper said that he's got a new job and so most realizes he's without a parole officer and Adora goes to take his hand and he thinks about just quickly running away and then Rulers just had lonely it'll be and he dances with Adora. It's a beautiful moment, I love it.

Yeah, speaking of Adora. Yeah, let's talk about Adora. What did you think about her whole the back story bit where she was screwed over by Moist and working at a bank? Herodly gone through. I, I, um, it was an interesting one. It almost seemed like they needed to, Pratchett was giving her something to forgive him for. It felt as well like it forced Moist to really come face to face for something

in a way that Mr. Point didn't and she compares this unknown command to guilt and that. Yeah. From that side it worked but yeah it fits in kind of feels a little bit shoe-haunting. It does a little bit. It didn't like snag at the time but looking back over the notes I was like oh I kind of thought that would come up again. Yeah. Yeah. Especially also with the time, but looking back over the notes, I was like, oh, I kind of saw that would come up again. But yeah. Yeah, especially also with the time frame of when they were really wealthy and she had her pony and then when her dad lost his business and where it falls in that. If they were living in the city and they were wealthy, why did she go and work in a little bank in Stonaten? Yeah, I kind of assumed it was such an inconsequential bit in her life that it didn't matter that much do you know what I mean like wealthy gal goes and gets a summer job yeah but then also

she's really explicitly yeah yeah and she's kind of full of hatred towards the person that lost her the job because she compares them to guilt so that's true I'm full of hatred for all kind of people who slightly wronged me in my past though. So yeah, that's fine. I'll go for it for anyone who's ever stopped on a pavement in front of me. Yeah. And then she's given a pet name and she's spike the spikiest pet name. I like it as a pet name.

Yeah. It's definitely still I don't coded. Okay, so Stanley, bless Stanley just quickly. The way he follows the rules when the post office is on fire, gets the instructions. Shouts fire in a clear voice and ticks it off. And then just sits down to die. All I've been used for further activity being

therefore closed, Stanley remained calm. Well, good for him. It is not often you can write remain calm and somebody will follow that. True. Remain clam. Remain clam. And you might have saved him, you start high ventilating and smoke. Oh yeah, smoke it. You don't want to high prevent late in a burning building. You heard it here first folks. Thumbs down. Two on this is very smoke inhalation. But the very key. Thumbs up to checklists. He remains very calm until Moist shows up and then he's allowed to panic a little bit but he sort of does it in a... I think I had a little moment. Yeah, you sit with a back of pins. Well, what a way to be randomly rebuffed as well.

I love that mouthful of pins. Y'all. And then Groot who not a fan of medical care. Oh, my God. That whole vet was so fucking funny. And the fact about women seeing is rassul and fruit, rassul and fruit, all trumpets and skisels. And during that bit we get the return of the double h of course. What? What? Run away from any woman who pronounces port with two inches. I just like as well, gross, gross idea of staying away from things like hygiene and being upset about having a bath. I feel like it's a cousin to the granny weather wax school of I just wash bits as and when they become available. Which remains one of my favourite lines in Discworld overall. While we're in the hospital, one of my favourite lines, moist for sure, doctors get skeletons around to cow patients. Yeah, yeah, we know what you look like underneath.

And that was in Dr. Lawn's office, which nice to see Dr. Lawn again. Glad he's doing well. Oh, yeah. But he's absolute furious horror at growth's health. I don't know how this is alive, but it is, take it away. Oh, fuck, this whole bit is just full of lovely little, I don't know how this is alive, but it is. Take it away. This whole bit is just full of lovely little, like, just little one, like the fucking Docklaw and having a name plate on his desk. He's very busy. You can't remember everything. It's just, oh, it's so funny. It's practical just writing a little hospital sitcom scene.

Yeah. Yeah. practice writing a little hospital sitcom scene. Yeah. Yeah. Just briefly delving into the G's in Worcester World or the Wontivythan and then stampeding back out with your poultice smoking. Yeah, there's definitely like a black out of flavour to it. Yeah. And then Miss Airdine, Maclarillat. Oh, we now know. Because I feel like I sound. Now, I don't know if it's Ayadine or Ayadine, and I asked this the other day of my mom and she told me enough forgotten again.

One of them's American English in one's UK, so it's fine either way, but. I think I've always said it in my head as Ayadine. I like Ayadine, let's take a look. I prefer Ayadine as a name for a girl. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, lovely name for a girl. iodine sounds like it's had a syllable cut off

and it should be iodina. Yes, agreed, yeah. Celebrate to me, terrible thing. I love that, and we will talk about anewa, but just a few pages after anewa is introduced. Miss McElary admits the whole family have been worshipping anewa for years. I kind of forgot, this is where we first got all of that nonsense and it's wonderful.

Yes, it's a great bit of prejudice. And yes, Miss Maccalaureate has been training for the post office a whole life, a grandmother even made me practice sucking lemons to get the expression right. And this is what we get the brief. Do we embrace divertingly? I think you mean diversity. We don't say that we do, but we do do it. And she's got concerns about dwarfs. She's got, yeah, yeah. She does worry about the looes does miss iodine maculariat. Yeah, I feel like as long as she's consulted, you can pretty much do what you want, but she feels like she should be concerned more than having any actual concerns. Yes, it's concerned out of habit. Yeah, which we do need to ferry more of the

UK population kind of towards that instead of deciding they have concerns because the male said so. Right, I'm trying to be be over it because I've got a lot. Gryll. Gryll is revealed to be a banishie. You know what? A horrible swooping banxi. I would pick a banxi over a turf any fucking day. Hit the valve of pit. Sorry. Anyway, my opinions. Yeah. Winged. Winged.

Swooped. Eviscerated. Eviscerated. I'm a bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit...

A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... A bit... So what I found interesting is on the disc world, the banshee has sort of come overworld by way of lush jungles and they're kind of like a human flying squirrel. Yeah, but the myths around I.I. specifically rather than the actual friend, not Friday, but you know harmless little herb. It will omnivore what's it. Yeah. But yeah, in round world mythology, and, handily, I did this research already for a rabbit hole. Yes, that was about van sheath.

Van sheaths are of Celtic origin. Van sheath, women of the sheath, sheath being like a fairy hill. I'm going to apologize for my Celtic pronunciations now, because I can't, I can't do it. They sort of come from the same chunk of mythology as the Toarte did in Anne which is sort of a tribe of gods and a big part of the origins of Celtic fairy folklore. The Denan are associated with the sheed which are intro burial grounds and apparently entrances to the underworld so you think sort of burial mounds, that kind of thing? Yeah, cool. And it's a whole big royalty structure that's kings and queens and marios and heroes and supernatural beings, and there's sort of this descendant of them, inter folklore, the A-sheed, the people of the mounds, and they're sort of what's there after, to add to

none of gone back to their other world, as it were. And they're, though, a sheet that mythology is the origins of things like leaving the milk out for the fairies. A lot of that comes from the world. And along that you have the ban sheet and this is the origin of the fairy myth that was kind of tied to, have the band sheet and this is the origin of the ferry myth. It was kind of tied to like the band sheet were tied to individual families and they were all ferminin and they would start crying when all keening when one of the family was going to die. Very distracting. Yeah. So if you were going to do like a more direct parallel, I guess they'd be bimbling around with the elves part of that core. So I like

that he's created a whole different mythology for them here. Yeah, no, absolutely. He's played around with a lot of the Celtic stuff already, hasn't he? Yeah, so it's nice to. Your new! Makes something completely different. I went to a really cool burial mound in Jersey by the way, six thousand years old, LaHogue B, I'll tell you about it later. Oh, nice. by the way, 6,000 years old, LaHogue B, I'll tell you about it later. Oh, nice. And then our anguamerad. Ah, fucking, yeah.

It is the crying moment. I forgot how little he was in the book. I remember reading this and always being upset at what happens during Amarad, where he genuonies only in like two, three scenes. And he's just so impactful. Yes, yeah, he's, he, he, he, he symbolises, he kind of symbolises, I don't know, his, his whole being is just, it seems completely permanent and then turned out to be completely

impermanent and yeah, it just takes one very unfortunate combination. Yeah, insane. The opening bit of his, and this is where we get death in this book for those keeping school, the opening bit of his scene, flames died, sound died, light died. But then he chooses to stay in the desert. Oh, I know. He didn't, he doesn't want to do anything, he hasn't got another task. He's like, alright, fucking fantastic. Not going anywhere else, they'll give me another thing to do.

It is perfect. I am free. Yeah. It's another reminder as well of how silly it is to try and understand the mind of a golem. Yeah. Because just boredom is not boredom is not a thing. No. And it's impossible to imagine that really as a human, isn't it? But yeah, even a little bit. No, I'm going to say, this is fine, this is nice. I get a half way through saying a sentence. That is, it's me talking. Onto happier, maybe. We've got a brief cameo from Carrot and Angua. And I really like when we do stuff like this we had it a bit in the truth in Monster's Runch run as well. You get this kind of defamiliarisation thing like we know the characters but the character who's perspective like doesn't know them. So we can kind of do Leo

pointing me, that's friend. And the description of carrot when he's interviewing most his face gave nothing a way that he didn't want to let go of. Yes. And then the the werewolf winks at most as well. Always a bit disconcerting coming from a canine. I was I thought it would would have been quite in character for most to kind of greet the werewolf as a person. But then I suppose in case he's got it wrong. Yeah, obviously. Officer.

I don't want another nubby nubs moment. What I mean is that it's not always necessary to greet nubby nubs as human. No, exactly. And yes, so this is also our introduction to anoia. I'm minor goddess of things that stick in drawers. Rattle,attle. With her priestess, Miss Extremely Immune. Yes, what a name!

We got a lot of fine ones in here. That is by far the most filigree'd, I would say. It also occurs to me that Anoi is kind of a fun callback. It starts with a Jochen monstrous regiment when they're in the kitchen and they're saying if there's anything they can use to escape and it's like, oh, I've got this weird thing. Yeah. Everyone's always got one at the back of the drawer. It's for edible door-mouth stuffing or something. Yeah. Yeah. So I like that this is kind of a carry-on of that of like, right, but what if that thing gets stuck?

Yes. And now what happens if she accidentally becomes one of the more prominent gods in Angleport, just because of like a random win, which does actually, that's a nice kind of reflection of how that works, isn't it kind of sometimes, some of the more, especially in pantheistic religion, sometimes one of the gods would just rise to prominence because, yeah, yeah. Was it with my spirit?

It was for that, yeah. Snowballed. And then that's kind of become a disqual meme, isn't it? Yeah. Everybody latched on to that and rattle the withdrawals is like a cross fingers shorthand in the disqual fan community, which is quite fun. I enjoy it. And that was one of the lovely cross stitches we got from Ella was a rattle the

withdrawals cross stitch. Yeah, yes it was. And we do. And we do. And we do through a piety just because we're about it putting stuff in draws. Yeah no there are no bottelopiners up the bazoo in that awkward little bit of the back. Anyway that's Nari. That's Nari. That's Nari.

Again slight like defamiliarisation moist doesn't know know veterinary as well as like we do or like other characters we see interact with him. Like obviously we see finds and veterinary and they've been working together slash busing heads for so many books. So after voice finds the money and veterinary does the whole, and it seems to be X amount that Albert Spangler had and maybe we should pay some tides. Yes, maybe we should. And boys think, why is this man just ruling just one city? Why isn't he ruling the world? I really love that there actually when he was just confirming that Moise was on board by saying,

Albert Spangler, it was like, no, he's dead. Are you sure about that? Yep, by saying. Well, that's stang though. It's like, no, he's dead. Are you sure about that? Yep. I was there. Okay. So when they had them, in that case, that's me on.

Oh, no, he, I like that we kind of reestablish his tyranny. And this one. Yeah, he gets to do some actual tyranting. And no, I like to think he enjoyed it. He fucking swells at cloak. These cloak swells dramatically, and someone says on what charge, there doesn't have to be one.

Fit heart, isn't it? Let's be honest. Yeah, a little bit. As you know, I am not in any way pro fan casting because it just takes over, like any fan in space just becomes, I think the Miriam Argley should play in any arc, but Miriam Argley should play in any org, but Miriam Argoli should play that, no, sorry.

No, Giancolo was for Ziso and I'll send you some pictures. Okay, thank you. Should play Vestinari and I'll die in that hole. I don't know. Feel free. Sorry, it's completely unnecessary. It's completely inconsequential. We held to Dio and you know those are my favourite.

Mr. Pony. Wait, no, no, wait, one more veterinary. I thought while he was tyrannicizing, I liked that he also showed his continued diplomacy, especially towards the wizards. And I thought it was particularly well illustrated when he goes, when he after his co-locke's whirling, that now I turns to Ridkely. Archchance, Archchance, I would be grateful if you had instructed your student to continue please. He said in the same calm tone. And this is after he's been, been bossing every important person

I can walk or walk about. Yeah. And he asks Ridkely to ask his student, it's like, I'm going to respect your authority on this. Yeah, that was a great moment. So yeah, Mr. Pony. It's Pony and his pink flimsy's. His pink flimsy's his pony express. Forgive me, Mr. Pony. It's a little, like it's a pony relay. There was a horse relay postal thing for anyone who's not meant to horse post. And they also have like a horse relay set up all the clacks hours in case things go wrong. But he's incredibly like well-realised three-dimensional character of someone who's introduced in the last third of the book. Absolutely. He's possibly ill-advisedly stayed on, but he's trying his best.

Yeah, and I think if you've ever worked somewhere that's understaffed and really does need some fucking health and safety, there's usually someone like this around clutching a fistful of pink flimsies, which by the way are like carbon copy paper. Yeah, and anyone who doesn't have to do those a lot. So it's basically a record of whatever you've written

to somebody else or whatever form you've signed or whatever somebody else has signed. It's a payout trial. Which is a useful thing to have. It is. But his inner monologue has this like sort of simmering rage. If they don't punish a chair with their arse all day, you think a man who's done a seven year apprenticeship is the same as as I'm twerp who can't be trusted to hold a hammer. Yeah and his

inner monologue is starting to become an out-of-the-mortel look by the time. We finally lose it with the board and they sort of go that's impossible. Well how do you know so much? Yes. Have you taken a differential drama part with a Tim opener? Whom's done with us? I say, heapsed with us. Whompsed. Indeed. Oh no, who's next? Reach a guilt. Reach a guilt. Ah, this prick, yeah. Yeah, he bit of a wanger. I'd like, as he's speaking to the board, it occurred to one or two that the Joveel, my friends, was beginning to sound like the word pal in the mouth of a man in Nali who was offering cosmetic surgery with a broken bottle. Absolutely. And also the kind of metaphor of riding the tire. I always just enjoy it and especially in this case it's like yeah just that's unrealisation

that this is actually a fucking tiger and that will just eat you if no other option presents itself. Unfortunately, however, I am on said tiger. The conversation he has with Pony convincing him to do all the work for fuck all money and sort of, oh, and you know, he was actually only getting a quarter of what he asked for, but ignoring that. Yes. I will talk more about some of his other corporate nonsense stuff, but it makes my skin crawl. Mmm.

Mmm. And the way he's, the way he's described throughout, I mean, guilt was being raised in villain states and I could put his eye was a dark metal ball. And I was a harmonic a murder in his voice. And then, and then he's really pissed off Litvig and says, Mr. Groetwell. And yeah, or this way, all this kind of subtle manipulation, it works on Tony and on Litvig. I think Litvig sold himself short when he thought that Richard Gilt was his superior in Conman ship. Yeah.

Okay. Well, you have to know how duels him and wins. You have the moment where he slots to crack when he sees Moistus brought the broomstick in his sort of a, that's how you were going to meet me. Yeah. Because he's still thinking of it in terms of winning the race. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And thinking about the third dimension of the 3D chess.

I was just noticed there's the moment he just puts out the bear trap to see what will happen to Eagle. And it's very like, the thing that always gets used as like this kid's going to grow up to be a fucked up serial killer, whatever, his little boy is pulling the wings off flies, it's very that. It is very that, yeah. Doing something nasty just to see what will happen. Yeah, just impass that. Yeah. Yeah. Doing something nasty just to see what will happen. Yeah, just impassive. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, we've had a couple characters like that before, haven't we? And it's definitely up there in the, the project line up of effective fillinny. Yeah. He's kind of a crossover between that, the horrible sociopath and the bureaucrat nightmare isn't it?

But with a parrot? A Cocktail. With a parrot, yeah. Yeah, in the epilogue, he gets offered the royal mint. If he can, you know, do an ambit, spanglet, and most fun lip-vigrid transformation, obviously he doesn't take it. I wonder if that will come back to anyone. It's smoking guru. It's smoked. It's gnude. Madel, sayin' Alex and Adrian, who says he's not mad but can't prove it.

It needs to get to this kind of thing. We did learn the other day that sayin' Alex is named after an actual fan slash sort of equating self-toryes. Nice. Which is a marvelous thing. I like their insistence after they've introduced the woodpecker, which you know, nice foreshadow. You need sort of more of a pause refet like the woodpecker. The woodpecker. That's more like it.

If you said it in Uber World, then a wolf would howl at just the right moment. I know. The fucking weather around here has got no sense of narrative imperative. But yes, I think they're very sweet and I like the the morgue argument that comes along with should we burn the clacks down or not, because there's a sense that they're they're young and they're not looking at big picture the way moist is and they're angry. Yeah, absolutely. And if they can't see a way to get it back and therefore fuck it.

Yeah, but they are easily dissuaded from it, which is. Which is good, yeah. Important, yeah. Important, yeah. And then Rid Cully and the Wizards, my favorite band. Oh, I always love it when Rid Cully pops up. I always forget he's going to be there. I have great joy when Rid Cully pops up. I always feel sorry for Ponder, and this point for Rid Cully ignoring his whole explanation of Bay's space. Which is the most grown worthy pun in the entire book. I'm sorry.

That's very terrible. This is what we think of the Grand Trump bunch of bean crush, I have been killing people on those towers of theirs. Man, the pub told me they're the ghosts of dead signals. I want the trunk. I'll drive in the pink. It's nice of him to handle this summarise what's been happening and who the good and bad guys are. Yep, exposition via pool table.

Perfect. I like his reaction to the broomstick as well. He tells Moist that the stars weren't working at it, but would have flown. Moist looked into a pair of milky blue eyes that was innocent as a child, particularly a child that is trying hard to look innocent. Yes. As always, his wizard friends are wonderful. I like that we have a mollusk expert on the other end of the Omniscope. Good man. Devious, devious colabone. Excellent name, poor dragon breath colabone.

Here's that damn enormous fiery eye again made me chuckle. And it zooms out to become colabone. Yeah, the little bait and switch that you imagine sour on and then it turns out to be a hay feverish nerd. And then it becomes Dr. Colabone because Rid Cully was a great believer in retaliation by promotion. Beautiful. because Rid Cully was a great believer in retaliation by promotion. Beautiful. We also have Mr. Pump. I just I love his ending. He gets his new job and he says,

I'm not certain what happiness is either Mr. Lipvig, but I think yes, I think I am happy to have met you. Yeah. He is a very good golem. He saves Arlitt Figg in this section, doesn't he? It does. Everything fucking happens in this section. But yeah, he's a wonderful figure of a figure. Good effort. Fine figure of a figure. And then

cook your locations. I enjoy the brief visit to Dolly sisters because this idea of that this still a bit villagy holds itself apart from the city and have their own customs like Dr. Dundae and up Needles all. Absolutely. Lovely little bit of angle port and law. Yes. And I'm curious about what up Needles all. Absolutely. Lovely little bit of angle port and law. Yes. And I'm curious about what up Needles all is. I'm not sure I need to know about Dr. Amanda. If anybody knows what the obscure references for up Needles all are on a postcard, not on a doctor, please. Yeah. Thank you. I will say a quick university that's just because of the chutney pickle and relish train.

Yeah. Need to need to special mention. Because one trolley wouldn't be enough. quick university, there's a just because of the chutney pickle and relish train. Need a special engine. Because one trolley wouldn't be enough. Absolutely not. I did notice actually the whole description of the meal felt a bit like a red wall on steroids. Yes, yeah. And the f***ing the wizards losing their patience for people at the Salivar. What do you expect there to be at a f***ing Salah Bar? Franchid is letting his frustrations through that, I feel. Yeah, and the buttresses of Salary and cabbage. Oh my god, cold sword. Decide what you're going to get. No, that's very hungry. I share the Salah Bar dish here. I'm quite peckish. A little bit,

we liked. Things. Similes. Similes. I like similes, I like some more of them. Moist felt the acid rise in his throat until he gets spit lace work in a sheet of steel, which I don't know as a metaphor for it still. Poor Chris Bin came to see me the night before he died, said guilt, as calmly as six inches of snow. Oh, that's such a beautiful one. Right? six inches of snow. Oh, that's such a beautiful one. Right. And then I'm going to shoe on the same thing. It doesn't really, it is a similarly, but I'm putting it in because I can't say princess went out onto the little platform to be out of the way and to put

the snow with like icing sugar in her nostrils. The air was like knives, which is good, but I'm one of my favorite similes. But I just wanted to mention it because again, it's one of the little perspective bits that you like. We just get this really like brief stop into the perspective of princess on one of the towers. Yeah. It's really effective and just really short and I thought it was really beautiful way to sort of tie up that bit. The visits to tower one at one I think are some of the best devices in the way.

And it's such a like a change in perspective tone as well, because the couple of perspectives we get in this one are usually from, like, a man, like a professional man to a professional man. Yes. And this one's just a little girl enjoying being in the snow on the tower. Yeah.

And, and, well, well, well, well. And it was like looking for veranas in a river choked with weeds. There were a lot of bones on the bottom, and, and, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, What do you think about the Erkmanical matters? Erkmanical matters. Vesonari says post the God's Purin to moist. Anyone even suggesting that the money was in some way obtained in the wrong fashion will have to argue with some very turbulent priests. And turbulent priest is a reference to it. It was apparently said by Henry II, will no one rid me of this Turbulent Priest.

Right. And then I completely missed that. And a group of his nights then went off to kill Thomas Beckett of Canterbury. Yeah. And finally gone who you believe Henry the second didn't mean for that to happen. Exactly.

We were certainly making popular. Gave him a way to hold his hands up of the bloody affair. And yes, this is something I entirely know about because of black had a season one. Yeah, and fuck it. Why not? I thought, oh, sorry. I was Brian Blessed saying it there and it's very mildly delivered. That's hard to forget anything that Brian Blessed says. I thought you were going to talk about the sausages, the the the the priests who cook the sausages, the smell goes up and then moist briefly becomes a theologian, he says, we eat the mere earthly, oh sorry, the presets, we meet them

each the mere earthly shell which believe me turns to dust and ashes in our mouths and moist manages to get immediately of all the tray and I guess, Ah yes, that explains why the smell of sausages is better than the sausage. The priest was impressed. Are you a sea of luge, isn't that? That was a great moment. He sat to get the hours for now. And yes, so corporate nonsense. This isn't so much that we like as a shared, rampant chief. is a shared, we like running about it. Yeah. Which bit particularly tickled your dispancy?

The note that Richard does for the times, spared by the competition, we are investing several hundred thousand dollars in a challenging relevant and exciting systemic overhaul of our entire organisation, focusing on our core competencies, while maintaining full and listening cooperation with the communities we're proud to serve. We fully realise that our energetic attempts to mobilize the flawed infrastructure we have inherited have been less than totally a satisfactory and hope and trust that our valued and loyal customers

will bear with us in the upcoming months as we interact synergistically with change management in our strive for excellence. That is our mission. Probably being a whore from the start, that word. Moist response of you had to approach the way perfectly innocent words were mugged, ravaged strutival tree meaning and decency and then sent a walk to the gutter for richer guilt. Oh, it's awful. I fucking, it's so, well, A, I've spent too much of my life editing stuff like that to make it less like that. B, I am frequently kind of fallen, I frequently fall into ENCO here in indignance when I'm reading the news and hear statements like that from the government

in particular, because at this point, I think we're all used to corporations doing it, but the government somehow is getting worse every fucking year with it. And my poor lung suffering has been, I think, at this point, I've managed to reverse radicalise him having radicalised him slightly. I've got to wheel it back again. But fucking hell. Oh, here we go. No, was sorry for anything because no living creature had done anything wrong. It's the passive voice, the passive voice in headlines, it's fucking fantastic. And the media is, oh, well, I'm going to sound very tin foil for a second here. The media is complicit, but the media is often complicit by echoing these things and using passive language in a headline. So, person was killed

in police shootout, not police. Police shoot person. Yeah. And yeah, so bad things had happened by spontaneous generation and some weird chilly geometric other world and were to be regretted. But for all that it's disgusting, Pratchett does it beautifully. Oh, he does. He knows it. Oh, he used to work in nuclear power for London. He's done it. He's, he's, I like to think he was one of the people who took the coffee and went, no, I rewrote it. So it was at least a little honest. I'm going to see me there. Yeah, the fucking, I don't kind of melts into the points about health and safety.

Because as moist I think is reading it, he goes through a pink myth. And I love the fact that moist is so fucking and furious by this, considering he's a con man. And he hates this. This is like, I don't know, so a craftsman of any sort being just infuriated by trickery, isn't it?

But safety is our foremost consideration. Why hadn't the lead type melt it? Why hadn't the paper blazed rather than be part of this obscenity? The pressure of fuck all the rollers should have cleaved under. I was like, wow. Which is quite imagery when we have the actual burning press a few books ago. That's good. Fine. Yeah. And that was in a fight about publishing true things and I do like to think the way this

is presented in the truth is this is the statement, not and therefore, yeah. And it's nice that Saturessa Kreetzlark is so not this. Yeah, absolutely not. She posted the statement, but she'll also just straight up quite anyone who has the bad sense to talk to her. Yes, I do like this also, just something that's a bit of a cousin to it when the gnower explaining the woodpecker to moist, moist wrist the rest of the sentence, innocent world swelled, innocent words swelled in it, like debris caught in a flood. Yes, the the cousin to corporate nonsense. Yeah, thanks.

To a full jargon. Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah. I'll be remiss if I didn't put out. I can't remember the name of it now, but Weirdel has a very funny song about this sort of corporate nonsense language. It's a mandatory fun album. Oh, oh, yes, I can't remember the name for that, but we'll link to it. Yes, making it. Yeah. Yes. Making it.

Yeah. Fantastic. And it's just the whole bit, again, I know I kind of went a little bit around to find it in the first episode, so I went in again, probably. But the whole thing about Pony's point about you are running it to death. We cannot do this. You can have one of what is it? You can have one of three things.

You can have cheap, effective, fast. Yeah, you can have fast cheaper three things, you can have cheap, effective, fast. Yeah, fast cheaper. Yeah, yeah, you can have one of those at this point. At some point, it might have been two. You can have one of those. And just the way that so many catastrophes happen, because of this kind of thing, one of my favorite subreddits as some of us know, I don't go on it much anymore, I can't read it anymore, but the catastrophic failure subreddit,

and within that I'm more cloud-sized, kind of very good breakdowns of air travel disasters. And so many of these things, it's just like fucking little things, build up and build up and build up, and in this one, big things build up and build up. And people are treated like things, and that's what sin is. Yes.

Well done. No, one of those, sorry, and there we go, I stopped my run. Granny, Granny Weather Act, could always put a full stop on something for me. Yes, she can. Granny. Something like that. There's a brief moment, and it's like the night after the post office has banned and moist is kind of just there existing. He's not sleeping, he's

around and it's full of people and in truth there wasn't enough for everyone to do, but it was that kind of night. You had to be there. So later you could say, and I was there that very night. And I was there that very night. Yeah, and you would be I think oh yeah And that bit was when um was kind of the the countdown version of the quote I used about the the ink and the sparks and things Which was something like the smell of wet pay for just meant the end and it was just a depressing smell It's so true, but wet paper that is a smell. There's something we haven't talked about much either, but the death of the old letters. That's a good point. What do you think of that as a narrative thing? It's kind of a, this was the big driving force for the first two halves of the book,

yeah, I'm sure. Thanks, Braille de Stuvert Johnson. From a narrative standpoint, they needed to get rid of those letters somehow, because they could not physically post them all, and the idea is that the post office becomes a functioning entity. Yeah, I can realize that. And really, several books have the outcome of posting all these old letters. Exactly. So I think they needed to be removed from the board in one first week, and that was a

good way. But just as a part of the story as well, there's something about it being a motivating factor for Moe's the deadletters were motivating him because they were talking to him. He had to deliver them because they almost forced a compulsion upon him when he was living among them. And so taking away that compulsion at that point, he could have walked away and it's that moment

where he realizes he's got the money and he can do the Albert's Fangalistric and he asked Adora to dance and there's this idea of ideas spinning like quick silver as one of the lines is when I start still and the world flows around him. I think it's a great moment to really kickstart moist into the full redemption bit of the arc. Yeah, it's very Phoenix. I think he says something about Phoenix, but building actually does know. But he's more of the Phoenix really,

just in the ashes in that moment. Yeah. That's a good hat. Beautiful. Anyway, I mean, we can't just go off into reveries today. They used to happen before the semifor. Well, yeah, reveries, certainly. That's all we did.

But we always kept thinking of all the bad things that could happen without the semifore. They used to happen before the semifore, of course, but that wasn't the same thing at all. And there's a really fucking huge point putting that like just snuck in there. I thought, which really sent me off thinking, so I was reading this bin on a plane, you know, when you're landing or whatever, you've got a minute to think. I was saying, that's such a good fucking point. There are so many things now that, quite often bad things are excused by we, you know, this is how it used to be, and we were fine. I was like, yeah,

but now we've managed to fix this. So now this is a choice or a failing that has led to this. I've gone on about the green dot, there is quite a lot recently. John Green's current war against tuberculosis is quite interesting on that because he addressed the UN the other day. And as he said then 75 or a hundred years ago, we could say that X amount of people died of tuberculosis. But since we've had to cure, really, it is more accurate to say that a million old people die every year through failings in human logistical or our choice not to get this medicine to the right people. And I think that's definitely how we're saying that there isn't it. It's like, if I take down the clacks, everyone who dies because they don't have a message on time

isn't dying because the clacks aren't there, they're dying because we chose to take them down. Yeah, that's very big point. And I thought it was really cleverly and quickly made, much more than mine. I hadn't even really thought about it in that much depth, but you're absolutely right. I hope you're just full-landing, so.

That's the place to get hit by an idea. Mm-hmm. But nothing else. Hopefully. Not a goose. And then going into some of your favorite visual metaphors. I love the thing Pratchett does where people are looking down at something in their circles.

Yeah, you said. I'm not sure there's a word for it. I think I brought it up in every time it's come up before Nightwatch. I was like, I love this, because it reminds me of this one that I really like and then we got to Nightwatch. And it's this bit where they move the people

and turn the circles green and pink and yeah. And we get this sort of mental image of it here when the audit is happening. And the scenario is physically looking down upon it in the great hall. And there's is physically looking down upon it in the great hall. And there's these chalk markings with papers and ledges. And periodically, they were added to piles. And then sometimes a new outline would fill

and sometimes an outline would empty. And the papers would be redistributed. And then the bankers turn up and bring papers and then the watch have the red ledger, the one that Crispin gave Gilts and that gets a circle and the pattern. I just, I love the visual so much, it's so clever. And imagine making such like an engaging, visually engaging scene out of a massive audit. Yeah, incredible. Fantastic. And then you pointed out to me earlier today that sort of alongside that goes huge floating crowd that was the street population of Aunt Morpork, Edden flowed around the city and tonight it would contract to form a mob in the square and could

be sold things which is very much the same flavour of thing if not a circle. Yeah, and I think that's another one from Nightwatch and maybe from some other books beforehand, but yeah, just a... Yeah. God's Gods is like, I think, the beginning of the Inkmore pork floating mob. I don't never really go so far. Yes. Known for it. Cool, let's talk about the bigger stuff then. I'll let you show. Cool. So, I just picked out some fun stuff about messenger avatiles, messenger gods because obviously that is what moist has become an avatar of a messenger god. And the disc world one, we can probably say is FedEx,

I was about to say Forex. It's a slightly obscure disc world reference because he only appears by name in small gods where he sends a warning arrow. But he's an unnamed, I I think messenger god in this one. Yeah. And so I'll start this bit off though with a special mention because he's probably not relevant here, but we love him. Ratatoska, the squirrel, who scampers up and down the world tree, he drives the illa to carry messages between the canopy dwelling eagles and the root and twine serpent. I think they're not throwing nice messages

if I recall. He appears in Neil Gaiman's American gods in which he brings Shadow a much needed nutshell of water. Little squirrel, a nice little squirrel and we love him. And now okay onto the proper obvious one. So Moise von Litfig is quite obviously an avatar avatar of Mercury. Oh, yeah, he's, if we're looking at the Greek, I'd say closer to Mercury just from what I've read. So, how his power is described, how he's kind of floating on golden wings, whatever.

He can feel that all-electric feeling, the one he got deep inside when he stood there in front of a banker, who's carefully examining example of your very best work. And as he said earlier, these were the moments he lived for when he was really alive and his thoughts flowed like Quicksilver in the very air sparkled. Later that feeling would present its full core back to Merrick. For now he flew. And Quicksilver is obviously Mercury, it's another name for Mercury. And that would

be just a nice visual metaphor anyway. But I think deliberately chosen at this point because Mercury is appropriate for Lutberg in more than one way. I mean, obviously there's the visuals. Mercury Hermes is represented as a young man with a winged hat, the petasus of Mercury, which is a traveling hat, but winged, and winged sandals. He also carried a white wand or a cadducius, I don't know if I'm not said. But Mercury is not only a messenger, but a lococious trickster. He's perfect. He's a patron of travelers, of shopkeepers, of merchants,

rogues, vagabonds and thieves. He's very busy deity. Yeah. There's not only a lot of groups, a lot of very busy groups who need their godot lot, I would imagine. Is he considered outsourcing to a lesser deity? He probably has. But to be more curialist to be light, to be quick and unpredictable, impossible to pin down. And so, you know, voice makes the perfect avatar form, Erkary. At one point, he thinks they'd made a crook the messenger of the gods, and he's all head in hand, self-pitting at mine. But I think it was always thus that the crook was always the messenger of the gods. That's how it is. He's one of the trickster gods. Yeah. And then just a couple of little bits of out mercury that I think suit this book. So posts with a marble head of mercury were often placed at crossroads to show the way.

Does that? I'm a little crossroads. We go quite a few crossroads in here. Very tenuous link. Romans devoted to mercury, the first fig gathered from a fig tree. And I know we talked about winged fig leaves before, and there are quite a lot of ancient Roman depictions of fallacies, Greek maybe, winged fallacies and things, which, you know, Google yourselves. And little, little bit of foreshadowing perhaps. Mercury is often sometimes depicted holding a purse. Is he?

He has. Good night. Now, this is a bit of a leaf. It's just something I thought you'd enjoy and is kind of connected. Let's look at Fortunas, which is a German proto-novel about a legendary hero of the same name, is popular in the 15th and 16th centuries.

And now, little nerd detail for Joanna. The plot of the novel appears in variants from oral tradition across Europe, Asia, America's and Africa, classified in the Antomsen-Uther Index as tail-type ATU 566, the three magic objects are in the wonderful fruits. Yay! Yay, wonderful fruits.

But fruit aside, the two magical objects in this tale, which may be relevant, are an endless purse and a wishing hat. The endless purse supplies endless wealth, and as you might expect the wishing hat transports the wearer to wherever he desires. Now, Michael Halden is a folklorist, wrote a very interesting article titled The Translation of the Unseen Self, Fortunus Mercury and the Wishing Hat, which connects Mercury and Fortunus. And I think there's some real parallels

to Moist from the figures as well, especially with the endless walls in the Wishing Hat. I will see if I can link the article legally. I got it through the folklore membership website. I'll see if it's been published anywhere open source. But just a little extract from the piece. In the original Fortunat, Fortunat, but I've said that wrong the first nine in my text dating from 1509, there are many points of context centered in the hat, such as appearance, the scenes of speed,

secrecy, invisibility theft, and commerce between fortune artists and mercury. So yeah, right? Yeah, I reckon, I reckon. We've got to see if we can find a decent translation to read. I came across this quite late in the day, so I didn't go into it very far, but I love it. Also, I'm just going to say, I think the little focus on pigeons everywhere has nothing to do with gods, but I just want to, it's message-based. Yeah, I think it's a little nod to the fact that pigeons should have more of a role in messengers stuff still.

I like to think Pratchit was a secret pigeon fancier. That's all. That's all. Well, it's a pigeon fancier Pratchit. We've owned this old thing wide open. Yep. I think that's my head, Kevin. He did a good job with the Pia Cobra nonsense, and he liked pigeons as a, it's a concept. So I expect you, some of the magicie bits that you might be able to pick up on in your talking point. Yeah, a little bit.

So the first thing you want to talk about though, is save the cat. It's very important that moist saves the cat to be a hero. So save the cat is the full title, Save the Cat, the last book on screenwriting 11 e'd. It's a very, very famous book on screenwriting. Oh, I've never had it. The phrase Save the Cat is kind of used a shorthand for like, no, you're basics of screenwriting. You hear what it says. By Blake Snyder, the moment itself, Save the, the decisive moment where a protagonist shows that they're worth rooting for. So I'm always just doing this in a very self-aware way. If you are interested in

screenwriting, it is a very interesting book. It has been criticized a lot for creating, for kind of leading to a lot of formulaic screenplays because the book outlines like beat by beat, things that should happen in your screenplay. I don't think the book should be criticized for that. Ben at Ranovitch actually dedicated Wisp is under ground which is book three of the rivers of London books to Blake Snyder. Oh cool. Further save the cat thing. And he dedicated another one to Tory Fratid, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Just a fun little link there. Bring your full circle. So moist is fully aware that, you know, being this avatar, doing what he's doing successfully requires him being seen a certain way, and that includes saving the cat. He needs people to keep believing in him much like a

disqual god does. Because he is powerless without these people's belief Everything is going the right way. Yeah. Oh, so it's like a very self-aware use of a trope Which is something that catches a lot and I really love and this whole book is very self-aware of the drinks It's using and plays with yeah, and I think it's fantastic. I love after the save the cat, but you get the headline man saves cat Yeah And festinaries little the save the cat bit, you get the headline man saves cat. Yeah. And Fettino is a little cat. Sometimes I think they're quite sad that they've only got one front page to put headlines on. And you get some other like self-awaretropic moments just in that

bit, especially some horror moments where Moist realises Gryll is behind him. Tim is not only self-aware, but his audience is aware, isn't it? Yeah, it's not just the author the way, but he's telling us. Yeah. And everyone, the audience gets to be in on the joke because the author tells you they're doing the joke, which could be so clunky if it was handled badly, but it's very pratchy. So it's not clunky, it's great. Nope. It's only clunky and so far as that weird six-dimensional machine is.

Yeah, obviously, the sorting engine, I'm assuming'm assuming at some point there was a clunk when Gryll went in there. So yeah, you have this time-slow little census height and there was a taste of copper in his mouth. And then after he kills Gryll, if he'd been a hero, he would have taken the opportunity to say, that's what I call sorted. Since he wasn't a hero, he threw up. Yes. As my point is a combination of everything I've talked about with this book for the last couple of weeks, this book keeps engaging with this theme of hope and what it tells people, because people have hope because they believe in stories, because people read stories and they hope things that will come out the way they do in stories.

I love the priesthood sort of settled for a kind of twinkly-eyed denial that it could happen to anyone when it comes to the money because now it's happened once everyone's all like oh maybe if I pray maybe I'll get taken to a secret casher golden the woods. And moist recognize that kind of hope because it was how he'd made his living. You know that life generally hands you the sticky end of the stick but this time you might be wrong and this was known as the greatest of treasures, which is hope, which is a nice call back to the beginning of the book. And moist hope that he can tunnel out of his cell. Yes. And there's a false hope as well as a theme, as a little underlying theme, that it dear heart kicks out of them with all people. Yeah, he's struggling with the hopes that people are putting on him.

These lessons for the gods and what to do with these prayers to him. And, you know, he says something about not promising to deliver in Adora's furiously says, you promised when you sold them the stamps. And then more calmly says, and it will give them hope. So you have these two sides to it. You have moist and kind of embracing hope and what it can do for people. And then you have guilt who gets away with things because people have hope.

And his perspective of hope is the curse of humanity. And so if you look at what happens to girls at the end, not accepting the angel, because he doesn't hope, he thinks he can take care of things for himself, so he thinks he can walk out the door, he doesn't need the job at the wrong end. Yeah. Whereas Moist has always danced on the edge of hope, and so thinks to check before walking out of the door. Yeah.

And he says, look, before does he need the fear being the hope turned inside out, you know, it can't go wrong. You're sure it can't go wrong, but it might. And yeah, so I guess yeah, guilt never got that far along the the hopes spectrum. Exactly. And then following on from what I was talking about with magic last week, you will quote from earlier, say, perfect, this idea of this happening is this physical tangible magic of block rhythms. No one explained this to me. They go with physics and golf. Magic, we got heard. And just slightly before that, what was magic, but something that happened at the snap of a finger. Because magic is so normalized within the disc world, it makes the star stay up and feet stay down. It's not physics, it's magic. And it compares magic to magical. Yes, sir. Yes. So why people want to believe in moist and how this ties back in to just the power of stories? Because I haven't said that often enough on the podcast ever.

No, I don't think I've ever heard you put those first together in Trusting Tamil. Reacher sums up quite nicely. People enjoy the experience of being full if it promises a certain amount of entertainment to just only have a stance with moist. It's what fiction is. Yeah. But his redemption starts really with not responding how Reacher did. Yeah, I can't say. I can't say. I can't say. I can't say. I can't say. I can't say. I can't say. I can't say.

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No, no, tightly with you on that one. Yeah. Just took me a second to remember what happened in footage of the dawn treader. Everybody's first thought. But that moment we talked about was... Five Roman Empire, sorry, Karen. The moment we talked about with Ridcully,

his opinion, which is all from hearsay and what Bloke said down the pub, he's heard the short version of the story, the trunk of the baddies and the post office is the plucky little underdog. Underdog. Underdog? I love that though. And he buys into the story that he is being told, that is not untrue, but that he is very much being told

and responds by nominating the book full of diagrams. Yes. Which is partly he's brought into the story and partly that Red Cully's a chaos Gremlin. Oh yes. I think it's affectionate. Fracket's always affectionate. And this comes to a head in how Moist kills the monster at the end, which is the power

of the message he's sending from dead men, because he knows the power of what words can do, just like Terry Pratchett. What I found really interesting about that is he didn't script it. For him, shutting his eyes, lining up the thoughts and speaking. Yeah He he didn't sit him right down before home. What he was gonna say. He did read the evidence and he's clever and he could he could Put the right facts in Do you think have it having read a life for us for it knows do you think some of that is? Fracture right life for his footnote, do you think some of that is crutch it right when he writes when

he got into that zone because I think Rob Wilkins a couple of times said that like yeah he just fucking sat down and wrote that. Yeah. Bracket slight disgust. And also like because he would so often dictate. Yeah. And there's something about dictating and the way the idea has just come out really perfectly I think relates there But Moist knows that although what he's doing is winning he knows he is doing it in a he knows what he's doing is dishonorable that he shouldn't put mouth words in the mouths of dead men Which I think is an interesting Not even really call back but a relationship to of clay, where the golem tries to save

the priest by putting words into the mouth of a dead man. Oh yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Anyway, my point is, because there was one at the end of the one that ran. Oh, that's it. I didn't even need one, but God. This book is a story.

The good guys will be in. Oh, fuck. Sorry. Who fucking knew? This book is a very story, the good guys win. Oh fuck, sorry. Who fucking you? This book is a very story shaped story. The good guys win, the bad board comes down and you can tell just as we talked about right in the first episode, there is a palpable fury at corporate greed and nonsense that from Pratchett. So he writes a story where it doesn't prevail.

He can't physically go and take down BT with a woodpecker, but he can tell a really fucking good story and send a damning message with it. I think it's beautiful. I do. Yeah. Ray Bradbury wrote about that. Wrote about how he should choose something you're angry about

and sit down and write about that. That's one of his, uh, send in the art of writing. I'm a... Fuck, if you're as good a Tory fracture, is that you get to take down like the whole world? Have you got an obscure reference for you for me? I have. I've got so much. Sorry, yes, I have. I didn't want to leave the story, but we will. Sorry, yes, I have, I didn't want to leave the story, but we will. Because I have to get this fucking podcast out. The nice thing about mainly. The nice thing about how much we deeply love this book, though, is that we can talk about it a little bit more in December when we talk about the TV show. Oh, that's good for you. Yeah, nice.

All right, so the woodpecker. As you mentioned, one of our listeners in Discord actually, I'm completely forgotten who it was, because it was several weeks ago now. All right, so the woodpecker, as you mentioned, one of our listeners in Discord actually I'm completely forgotten who it was because it was several weeks ago now, mentioned that the woodpecker, what was probably, well definitely a reference to the Russian woodpecker.

And now that is a reference to the 70s and 80s when a strange noise could be heard on shortwave radios all around the globe. It was very powerful and it was immediately noticed by professional radio operators and biometers. And it turned out to be the Duga radio, Duga radar, a critical part of the Soviet Union's early warning system. And that was to detect incoming missiles, basically. But it was just incredibly strong in it, and the antenna was absolutely huge, of 700 meters long, 700 meters long, and 150 meters high. And so despite that size, the Soviets built two was nation-oable, and that was do you got one, and the other was in Siberia, I've called do you got two. However, I reckon this, like, their whole plan was also a reference to this kind of, almost of, and legend from early days of hacking. I also want to mention this on Reddit, and I very much agree. So I'm going to read out bits of this and kind of link the thought,

it's not even an article. I don't even know what this fucking website is, but this is the best way to pick up internet law in my opinion, just random HTML, like basic HTML websites. So once upon a time most hackers knew about the infamous IBM Black team. In case you don't I suggest you go and read about them first before you carry on here. And I'll link to the link. They link to. Yeah, forget this very cool. And it's basically people who found the stuff wrong with code penetration testers, you know, early ones. So let me tell you a story involving a member of the black team. This has come to me 13th hand, so I can't vote for its for after city, but I can believe it. Oh, yes, I can believe it. And doesn't that sound

a bit fractured to? Oh yes, I was drawn in here. There was a programmer at IBM who's terribly excited to get the job writing the driver interface software for a brand spanking new tape drive. This was one of those cabinet size machines you'd see in like the 70s and 70s movies kind of thing. So it was real to real tape, you could fast forward it, rewind it, stop start, whatever. Almost hypnotic. Maybe I should write a simulator or a screen save. Yes, maybe a shirt run and put us in.

Anyway, our program was very excited by the idea of writing the software for this new piece of hardware, but also a little anxious. After all, his work would attract the attention of the black team, something no programmer ever really wanted. It sounds very much like there's a dark clock turning up to audit you like the way that talks to the house. So he decided to swap them by writing his code perfectly. So perfect, so neat that nothing wrong could be found with it. And the black team looked at it and they couldn't find anything and that pissed them off. And so they came back.

The entire team eventually was looking at his code to find the bugs that they just knew must be there. But they couldn't find it. And so the programmer was happy, content, confident, and above all smug. So the day came, the hardware was going to be unveiled and demonstrated to the world. The sort of event was always a big one. New hardware was a big deal and they were truly and truly trumpeted. At the last minute, before the demonstration began, a member of the Black team, hurried up to the console and began frantically typing in commands. Our programmer was confident, he knew the code was perfect, it was proven and tested. Nothing could go wrong.

He wasn't even fit-hered when the tape started spinning at full speed and running right to the end. It stopped before the end, as he knew he would. It was safe, it was working, it was perfect. It started to rewind and the same thing happened, stopped before the end. It stopped before the end, as he knew he would. It was safe, it was working, it was perfect. The starter chorewined and the same thing happened, stopped before the end. This kept happening. Ran all the way to the end, all the way to the start, again, again, with intolerances. The black team were beaten, so the programmer thought, and then he saw it. The cabinet had started to build up a gentle rocking motion. Ah, which was growing, what could be happening? And so the black team had found the fundamental frequency

of which the cabinet would rock and a program that take to resonate and amounting horror, the programmer watched the cabinet at first subtly and then quite violently began rocking violently until it finally followed that in front of the whole world press. Amazing.

History doesn't relate what happened to the programmer all to the product. Just by the tail being utterly believable, I've been able to find no record of it. The grey beard who told me the story has moved on to a place where I can no longer ask questions. And so I'm left with what might just be a tall tale. What a fucking folk tale for a star. Amazing. Isn't that amazing? We had fucking urban legend folk tale of our 60, 70's programming and also short, that's something like that's got the walking cabinet thing is kind of a known phenomenon with that kind of

computer thing. Like if you fucked up, you'd start the rocking momentum, whatever. But that is like a specific like deliver saying, I do wonder if I should have had that urban legend and yeah, and liked it. Inspired some in the woodfaker. Yeah. Amazing. Oh, as far as I know, woodpeckers fell trees by vibrating them. I don't know anything about autosolidate. I saw a bird once. Yeah. I saw a bird once. I'm pitching half a pigeon. Right, okay, God. Yeah, all right, let's go.

I think that's everything that we are going to say about the book Going Postal, until as I said around Hogs Watch, we will be revisiting with the TV adaptation of Going Postal, so that's plenty of heads up to acquire a DVD or watch it however you like. Yeah, and if you've got any complaints about the bits we left out, mispronounced or whatever, then get them in and we'll read about it. A hox watch maybe if we remember. We might. So we'll be taking a week off, we'll be back on the 9th of October with part one of Thud. Ah! So I just get to thud.

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Yep, perfect. All right, nice. I think we'd, I know it's run a bit long, but I think we did well considering. Considering. What a fucking bug. What a fucking bug. I'd talk about that forever. I could quite happily, but fun's going to be great. It is.