The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - Bonus: Glorious 25th Extravaganza 2023!

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan and Francine Carrel, usually read and recap every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series in chronological order. This week, it’s the Glorious 25th!Night Watch! Listener Questions! Good Omens! Find us on the internet:Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodInstagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: [e-mail]: www.patreon.com/thetruthshallmakeyefretWant to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:Waylands Smithy - Isle of AlbionDiscworld Halloween 2015 – Bad Pictures of a Good Night - thetruthshallmakeyefret.com With Great Pleasure at Christmas: Neil Gaiman - BBC Radio 4  Neil Gaiman on Tumblr Good Omens - An Ineffable Game - Renegade GamesQuaker names! - r/CuratedTumblr Music: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com

I had to explain why there's a picture of you and me with crowheads, but I don't see it. Any explanation needed, but okay. I mean, the explanation was Francine painted us with crowheads. It looks cool. One of those ones I'd like to try and redo now. We've had a couple more years experience painting, but there's so many other things I could paint like us with squid feet. Exactly. You could give us crowheads and squid feet. Yeah. Is it their nurse? Ship of thesis. How many plants of us can your place was random animals before we no longer us?

As long as the tits are there, we recogniseably may. So, so we had a lovely time on Friday. We did. We did our live show with the magic of Terry Pratchett. And Mark Burrows. Mark Burrows. It was good. We had, from what I could tell, a full room, I think.

We had a full room. Everyone laughed at the right bits and didn't laugh at the bits that you're not meant to laugh at. We met listeners, high listeners that we met. Hello. It was nice to meet you. And high new listeners who've discovered us via the magic of toe-approach. brackets. Mark Burrows presents.

The show, I can now say, without giving any spoilers, because it's still very much a preview show and journey and all that is very good. Go see it when you can, whether that's one of the preview shows or in Edinburgh this summer. And a fun time will be held by all.

By all. By all. What is it? 22nd May now. We're recording on the 22nd May. This is obviously coming out on the 25th of May. The glorious 25th of May. I need to think of some kind of nonsense art to do again. I mean, you don't have to.

No, I like it. I do it. I've got to switch my attention from trying to do a swarm of bees brush on Procreate or some kind of lilac thing. Swarm of bees lilac brush. Lilac made of bees, no. You haven't been able to tell to you, quite close, maybe. I feel like I may have created a monster here. All right, Diana. Let's do some structure stuff, because I'm not doing very well at the random conversation.

Yeah, that's fair. Do you want to make a podcast? Yeah, I do. I'll do a podcast. Hello, and welcome to the Tusha Maki Fratt Apocast in which we are usually reading a recapping every book from Tau Pratchett's Discworld series one of Stime Inchronology's Claude, I'm Joanna Hagen. And I'm Francine Carroll. And this is not an episode on a book as such, we are celebrating the glorious 25th of May. All right, it's coming around again. I'm genuinely a bit upset how quickly that whole year went. Yeah, no that apparently happened

I was there for some of it Definitely awake conscious paying attention for at least 30% of that last 12 months We've got 12 months was the podcast episodes to prove that at some point we were functioning that year. Yeah. Oh, that's true Oh, that's nice. We know we existed. We've got historical record. Anyway, yes, this is bonus episode to celebrate the Marvellous Glorious 25th of May. Noted spoilers before we click on, we are a spoiler-like podcast. This episode may contain spoilers for books that we have not yet covered, but nothing major. We will avoid building any major future plot points, past half full of sky, probably some heavy spoilers for Nightwatch. And of course we are saving

any in all discussion of the final Discord novel, The Shepherd's Ground, until we get there. So you dear listener, can come on the journey with us. Walking along a path in late spring, smelling the lilac blooms. Ah, you did a nice one. Hmm. Well, we haven't had anything horrible in a plot for me to draw from. So that's true in a nice day. Some quick follow up from a half full of sky. Just what the fact we're recording on Monday's or episode only came out like

a couple hours ago. Now I was. But from Jed on Twitter, did you know about the folkloric origin of the word flibbytijibit? No, no, I don't. I don't either. This is somehow what passed me by. So there is a place called Wailand Smithy, which is a nearly thick longbarrow dating back to around 3700 BC. Okay. And it's not far from the Uffington White Horse.

It dates from the arrival of Saxon invaders around the 5th century, the name, or the fact that it's been dubbed Wailand Smithy, comes from Wailand or Wailand, who was the Scandinavian god of Blacksmithing and metal working and so some folklore built up around this place that it was the home of Waland. And one of the stories around Waland is that his assistant flibbytty jibbit was a bit useless and negligent and lingered a lot. Incredible. Is this why we get the name Waland's mothers?

I think so. Quite possibly. Hell of a coincidence, if not. So yeah, I'll link to the little piece that Jed sent us about Wail and Smithy in the show notes, but yeah, that's great context. That's that. Thank you, Jed. We also had a Facebook comment from someone from Tanya who points out that Lawson ladies actually has quite a lot of hints about magnetzades, which we were debating. Yes, yes, I did see that, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she's described as wearing bright cheerful clothes, which don't suit her now, and probably didn't even suit her 10 years ago. Yeah. She was to imply that she was probably like a young woman 10 years ago. And also she mentions that she's known Millie Chellum for 20 years and calls her a grown up girl. So I'd say, Margaret acts like she's an idealistic teen or 20 something, but imagine she's closer to 30.

That's fine with me. Yep. That's still jealous of what I was imagining her as. I'm bad at imagining faces, so just a vague idea. Vague show. Somebody around 20 to 30 with messy hair. Yeah. Also what I see in the mirror every day lost in it. I was going to say it's relatable. Oh, I've not aged out of my magra area, though, that's a shame. So my magra era, I feel like I've been in my nanny, or gyrus since I was about 16. I'm hoping one day to magically go from my grad to where the wax for will see. You'll get there. I believe in you.

And just get some bees and goats. Yeah, yeah, there's always a chance. Unfortunately, I'll go down the gingerbread route, actually, no, cause I hate having sticky hands. Really, that's what saving me from becoming evil. Sensory issues. Yeah, I mean, if it works, it works. Right, so this is the first time we've been able to do

a bonus episode on the glorious 21st, where we can actually talk about it in the context of the book Nightwatch, because we've talked about Nightwatch. So that's exciting. That is exciting. On the the book Nightwatch, because we've talked about Nightwatch. So that's exciting. That is exciting. On the downside, it doesn't mean we just talked about Nightwatch for hours and hours and hours just earlier this year. So you're going to have to accept our apologies listeners if we don't have any blinding

new insights. But we have thoughts. We have thoughts. We have thoughts. It's nice to talk about it with the context. It's nice to acknowledge, you know, why it's become a rallying thing for listeners, why we wear the lilac on the 25th, which is an interesting thing that has become a kind of a day

of celebration for disco fans, and it's shared with towel day, the Douglas Adams thing. So it's just, yeah, so it's kind of just a whole big, nerd day of lilac and towels, which I love. But that's despite it not being a day for everyone in the book. Yes. Well, I suppose the thing is it's, where are you there? Is the the phrase in the book and as far as anybody can be present as a fiction, as a fictional event, the readers of that book were.

We were there. We were a part of it. We mourned the losses. Yeah, obviously not trying to stole and valour. Fimes. But it's a, it is in a much fainter way than it is in the book. It's a little nod of, I appreciate this book. I am this kind of person, at least in this direction. Yeah. And it's become like a broader day just to celebrate being a fan of these books as well.

It's a nice thing to have to point out and go like, hey, I really like this thing. There's a bunch of other people who really like this thing, because it's a really cool thing. Yes, yeah. And let's, you know, let's share Lila and we'll sing, see all the angels rise up and we'll talk about the glorious public of trick on one road. And we're also celebrating the other 40 books.

Yes. And then the other like 20 odd books that weren't disquelled books. Yeah, it's nice to have the kind of couple of specific motifs to send to celebration around. Yeah, definitely. I like it. I've got my little lilac pin.

I've got my lilac pin. And I enjoy posting nonsense on social media that day. Reading everybody else's nonsense. True. I like it. It is one day, yeah. I will with no feeling a little bit self-aware of how honest I'm being, joining the fandom. Yeah, we can both be a little bit self-aware when it comes to fandom meetings. Yeah, we are unbearably metter because I think partly because of the lists that we do.

I think I was like, oh, I'm not going to constantly gush on social media about how much I love to do Bradget. And so I decided to do a whole fucking podcast about it. Yeah, much more normal, reasonable and non-cringy. Yeah. Not that we think fans are crunchy. No, we don't know.

We just think of ourselves. That's why we do it. Yeah, no, it's crunchy, but we do. We're judging ourselves. And even then, I'm not judging Francine. I'm just judging me. Francine's also judging me. Always.

Yeah, well, your cat likes, so you need the extra judgment. Yeah, no, I deserve it. I feel really bad about it. Yeah, I mean, do you do anything on the day of the... Not really. I mean, we used to... Back before the podcast, I'm trying to think, did we? We used to go for a drink. Yeah. And we'd wear the, we'd wear lilac and sometimes I'd wear a big black hat and we'd go, we'd make a point of going to the pub and raising a glass. We've got

many photos of us doing it. Yes, let's try and dig them out. One or two. But we do look too bad, bad end of the night style. Yeah, because we've got a few just like in real life, discworld fan friends. Yeah, we did a, I think the year that Terry Pratchett passed away, we did a discworld themed Halloween at our local pub. Yes. And a bunch of people dressed up, and we did a pumpkin in the shape of the turtle and ran across to the toy shop and bought some toy elephants to stick on the back. I think we've pasted those before those pictures, so I'll find the link again on the website. It was all very low effort. I'm not going to like, for that scene look great. I think we all look, we all may more of an effort than we often do.

But yeah, so we've had a couple of like IRL going off to celebrate Disc World in certain ways. Yeah, it's, I think that was definitely before we felt plugged into any kind of outside community. No, and we even like, we've been in Facebook groups and stuff, but I don't think that's the same as like having gone to cons and having met some voluasers and having the podcast and having like our list of groups around that. Yeah, definitely. That's made everything feel a lot more connected as like a fan community is opposed to just... We know a few people who know this. Yeah. We know a few people who know this and sometimes we talk about it down the pub. Yeah, absolutely. I've been working with a friend of work who I made friends with initially because he saw

that I liked something, practically, on Facebook. And yeah, it is genuine. They like a connection point for somebody who not tried to talk to yet. And then there is, I think it's a good sign, isn't it? You're not going to get along with everybody who likes discwit, but there's always, there are shared interests. Yeah, it's all right. If I know you like discwit, I know we've probably got close enough sensors of humour. Yes, we'll find a lot of the same thing's funny, and you're also probably not that bad a person. Yeah, no, there are definitely some people who

managed to spin it in an absolutely bizarre from my point of view way, but they're a few and far between. They just float to the top on some of the group sometimes because it's hard not to interact with people who post-rage bait. Yeah, there is what the algorithm is. The algorithm does love it. So we talked about Nightwatch at length. But part of the reason the 25th Grover of it is it's one of the rare things in Discworld that has like an equivalent round world date. Yeah. Because lots of the months have got silly made up names. Grude. So I think that's a huge part of words. Yeah, I'm absolutely love growing. My birthday's

and growing. But yeah, so I think that's part of why the 25th of May has become a rallying point, but it's also because night watches is probably the most beloved Discworld book. Yeah. And what do you think about its first date? It's status as the best book. Understandable, I would say. It is, it covers a lot of themes that people care about. say, it is, it covers a lot of themes that people care about. So whether you're particularly into the efficient building of barricades or how best of oil and egg, I think those are

the two main themes covered, aren't they? Yeah, there's nothing else really important. I mean, there's some didn't social injustice stuff, but like, yeah got social injustice got the camaraderie that you know make mainly eggs I think yeah many eggs and barricades. It's hard to say whether it was a turning point in disc world but I think it was definitely a showcase of the talent that Pratchett had developed by that point and everybody loves vines. They've seen vines. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. the discobox maybe don't like get held up as great so much because it sort of seems like there's this consensus. Oh yeah, Nightwatch is the best one. Possibly. Yeah. I think because Nightwatch is the obvious answer. Yeah. It does maybe stop people thinking about it much further. And not because it stays a consensus, isn't

it? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't, I don't know. We should probably decide what the best book is. I suppose by the end of this podcast. But I mean, I feel like that's just causing controversy. I said, but then we'll be logging off so we find it. I said when we were covering like watch that, like I can kind of agree with that best stasis, but that doesn't mean it's my favorite.

And that's true, like, within individual character arcs, I think there's differences between bests and the ones I like the most. But I do think with the height of night watch consensus that maybe some other stuff gets overlooked, like, I'm not sure I think of other potential bests off the top of my head, which is terrifying, and I'm scared people are gonna throw things at me.

That, yeah. I, poor, I think something like lords and ladies would be a contender. Yeah, I mean, I'd put carpet, Dracula M up there. Maybe one of the Tiffany's. Don't wanna go too far into that because we've not gone too far into that.

I think it's a spoiler to say. I think I shall wear midnight is the best Tiffany book. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and Smith though. Oh, again, difference between favorites and best which is my favorite Tiffany book, but I think I shall Wemidnight is a better book. Okay. Okay, cool. I'm noting that as a discussion to have when we've done both. Yeah, because I literally can't remember enough about them to make that cool. And then there's also something that I am just, I, too bias to be objective about, like the truth and monster's regiment, I think are two of the best,

but I don't know if they really are if I just really love them. Well, I think Monster of Regiment is one of the best books. Is it one of the best disc world books? Yeah, that's true. Like nation is one of Patrick's best books, but it's not a disc world book. Monster of Regiment is a disc world book, but is it one of the best examples of disc world? I think it is one of Patrick's best books, but it's not a Discworld book. Once we have a regiment, is it a Discworld book, but is it one of the best examples of Discworld? I think it is one of the best written, definitely. But it has paced some of the best characters. But because it doesn't tie in

very much with the rest, it's difficult to compare it on a Discworld level. Yeah, I mean, we've still got at least one like major character arc we haven't touched yet and we're close to the end now, which is a horrible thought. I'm trying not to think about the fact we've only actually got nine disc world books left. Don't worry. Listen as John is dragging this out as long as possible. I'm really worried though. If I don't like Francina, just stop talking to me when the podcast is over. In reasonably unlikely. We've just had quite a long time. I'm just half our lives at this point are we there yet?

Not quite. We're getting there. Almost. We're almost there. Yeah. Two more years. Yeah, but with us, I need a year and a half of the podcast Francine, anything could happen. All right. Well, that's exciting. Which is why I'll be tying. I kind of imagine what would happen. Yeah.

Oh, no, interesting times and all that. May you live in? Well, let's not live in interesting times. I've had enough in being on this website. It's fine. Okay, we've got some listener questions unless you have more night watch thoughts. No, I don't.

Not when senders write off rabbit holes. There's only so many rabbit holes we can fit in a single episode. And again, we've got listener questions. We'll start with questions from PD. What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don't know. I can't tell. I do know, but I'm not going to tell you.

Oh, okay. Can you DM me? Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to tell the listeners. Find that out for yourself. Yes, home-art closeness. Find yourself a swallow. I'm laden it. And then get back to your last few. Get back to your set. Then give it a coconut. No. Right. Anyway, given that Derry started off Discworld with parodies, who do you feel would

write the funniest Discworld parody? Are we allowed to go alive or dead? I'm hoping so, yeah. Douglas Adams? Yeah, that was what I wrote down to. Or left field, Phil Watson, because I want C. Rintzwind in the luggage as Calvin and Hobbs. Yeah, I would appreciate that.

I don't think you could parody Discord, I think, you would just feel like a poor imitation. Absolutely. Um, I can't. That's hard to parody a parody. Yeah, it's not that Discord is too much of a sacred cow. It's just meta-parody. It's a very rarely good. I mean, practice it, maybe.

Yeah, practice properly. Parody is practice, maybe. Yeah, practice properly. I would just go, That would be impressive. If we're doing a live or just then, yeah, practice. What famous tale would you most like to have seen get the Shakespeare slash Muscarade treatment? I'll let you go first on the one. This was another one of those questions where my mind went blank

as soon as I read it just because of who I am as a person. But I was thinking like Jane Austen stuff. Ooh, trying to read it as like. Yeah, so we go back to like the countryside stuff like. Oh yeah, absolutely. Upbringing. Yes, that kind of flavour. What's it? Ridkulli's country house.

It's kind of thing. Nice, yeah. But I could also imagine something like Game of Thrones beingrone, Game of Thrones being very ripped to shreds Just like fantasy that takes itself seriously and is very bloody Yeah, it'll be hard to Compress that wouldn't it Yeah, I'm good True What about you?

Picture of Doreen Gray, I'd like to see. I think it will be a God's book. Yeah. What do you say? Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Also, maybe something like going back to fairy tales and like beauty and the beast. Yeah, true. I think like fairy tales got so well-growing it. Fairy tales got so well-covered in which to broad that now I can't really see a fairy tale parody as anything other than like a kind of side story. That's true. Yeah. What about another Shakespeare one? Oh yeah. The Tempest. Stick everyone on an island and then make it weird. That's the last continent. Oh yeah. Oh no, this is just going to be like the Simpsons did it, isn't it?

No he's done that., he's done that. No, he's done that. Yes. So you like about Omi? Was prolific? He was. I'm going to say what you like about him. And we do. That's the pub class, Oli. Why did the Fiegel cross the road? It crossed me first, Paul. I, I, I, to get to the pub.

Which minor character do you feel had the most overlooked potential as a vines sort of veterinary granny Tiffany lead mainstay? I'm not sure if any of the ones I've got would make like a granny level mainstay. Yeah. But I'd have liked to see more from Dr. lawn. Yeah. And old mother, Dismars, I think could make a nice interesting short story. So she's the one who's unhinged from time and started and flating around. Maybe she could bump into the library and then else space, who can say? Possibly, uh, Luzo. Mm, Lobsy. Yes, yeah. One of them. Practice, one of the few also, so you can

write time travel satisfactorily, so it would be nice to see that I think. How about you? I mean, I know we do see them again multiple times but I would always love more from William and Sackarissa. Yeah, yeah. Who I feel are like are sort of the podcast mascots. Yes. And just for an out of left film one, Al Johnson, we want more of Al Johnson. How's his restaurant going? Which one book in a restaurant? Which one say? He's the one that has a restaurant and Colin goes there sometimes. Oh, greasy, the greasy one, yeah. No, Sham Harg has the greasy one. Al Johnson's got the fancy restaurant. Oh, right, yeah.

Okay, well, one that like fakes isn't both of them. Yeah, restaurant scene and animal pork. Yeah, yeah. Possibly a new food critic working for the times. Oh, there we go. Now we've got everybody sorted. Chef them all in one. Okay, questions from now binding on reddit. First up, what are your discoloured names and professions? So we do this one always every time, which I love because I get to change my mind. This time I've gone for Semolina Foley. She is a storm chaser, but because there's this disc world, she's a storm chaser slash news hound because you know where ever a storm's going, something dramatic is happening. Oh, amazing, I love this.

How about you? I win the different releases, give myself a new faculty name. Oh, okay. So we're going with Blinkard interrogator of folkloric media. Love that. Blinkard. Rabbit hole. Hype focus. Go.

Yeah. Sit behind my crystal ball all day looking at the folklore and then trying to find out what the fuck was happening. Wondering the orb got to be done. We do like to ponder the orb. We need to get the mobs to ponder. I know we're not very into the whole scrying thing, but it might be like a good focus, you know, like a shamble. Yeah, yeah.

Something stara other than reddit might be good for me as well, I'm thinking. Yeah, I could occasionally take a break from doom scrolling to ponder the orb. We sound sane. What animal unique to disquelled would you have as a pet? You go first. Swamp dragon. Oh, obviously. Yeah, a little swamp dragon hanging around. Occasionally draw on my shoes, sometimes cause a chemical explosion. The best kind. I've gone for scalbi. Remember scalbi? Scalbi. Horriblealby? Scalby? Horrible Scaven Deceiver from Small Gods.

Ah, yes. I've brought up the, hold on, lost my bloody page now. I've got the Discworld Companion with me, which I felt like I should at least try and use once during the episode. This, you know, expensive books. I never see it actually. Remember I've got them. You've got a member of the Crow family. it's seldom flies walking everywhere in a sort of lurching hop. It's distinctive call, dissimilar to that of a malfunctioning digestive system. Very greasy feathers, looks like other birds do after an oil slick. Nothing eats scallbees except

other scallbees. Amazing. Yeah, I just think it would be a good, you know, how people in medieval times eat have a pig around partly as a waste disposal unit. Yeah, more flock of it would be a good, you know, how people in medieval times you'd have a pick around partly as a waste disposal unit. Yeah, more flock of scale, but you'd do the same job. Excellent. Just like you're told I go nearer, am I guess? Yeah, maybe not. I still think you should get some goats.

I would like some goats, but they are not, as far as I know, unique to Deskworld. I think I've seen some. Nah, okay, a fictional way. Damn it. Goat's not real. God forbid. Desk World, I think I've seen some. Nah, okay, a fiction of my... Don't sound real, God forbid. What joke or pun, can you not believe, took you so many readings to spot? I have every...

All of these ones I can't... So many, I know. Fuck. So many, and yet I cannot think of a single example. Yeah, no, my brain did the same thing, but more broadly, like every time I reread, especially some music, moving pictures, masquerade and carpet jugular, which are the ones that like reference stuff I know the best. Yeah, there's always something new, Westport, and it always delights me. Yes, definitely.

Especially since we started doing these closer readings for the podcast. Yeah, it would be troubling if we didn't notice lots of new things during these. With the amount of post it notes going into these books, you think I'd learn something. You would think, wouldn't you? I was sorry, was it? No, no, that was it. Sorry. No, no, you're good.

Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to go with, and it's not because I've read it a lot of times, because I haven't, but I'm quite impressed. I managed to breathe the joke about rubber Johnny without getting it until Joanna very explicitly pointed out to me. You did also miss the deaf leopard joke in Soul Music. Which was that? Yeah, there's a leopard that's deaf. I'm going to excuse myself because I don't really care for that book.

No, but you've seen deaf leopard twice. I know. I was with you. I know. And there's a good book. We just went talk about the animated fun ever again. Yeah, that's fine. That's all that's in my mind now that I'm going to have to re-read the book so I can get

the animated version out my head. Father? No. I did. Why? Because I'm the worst. From Bexiva on Facebook, do you think you'll look at examining the audio books at some point?

I'd love to hear your characterization of what different narrators bring to the table. And we've kind of talked about if we could talk about the audio books at some point, like especially all these new ones coming out from Penguin with all the different narrators, but it's really hard to fit in alongside our coverage of the books. Yeah. I think if we did it, it would be a couple of bonus episodes covering the ball, covering audio books in general, because being on it, I'm not going to go back and relisten to all the ones I've listened to and listened to all of the current ones and the new ones like it takes a lot longer than it does to read the books. It does and us saying like I like this narrator, I like what this narrator did here but not with this one. That's not an episode. No, I think we could probably do

an episode on audio books using using the Discworld ones as an example. Yeah, 100%. But yeah, the iPhone is one like this more than a proper episode. We will probably talk about them in some way at some point. And I do want to listen to a bunch of the new ones, but even just listening to them is kind of difficult because we're already doing a Discworld Book of Month. So then if I go back and read Nolder 1 and that's in my head, I've only got so much room in my brain. It'd be cool if we could get hold of somebody who knows about all the other books to talk to about it.

Yeah, there is that. Because that's also the fact that, no, like, I don't understand the faintest. We know very little about audiobook production. From Ben off of Pratchett. Hi Ben off of Pratcha. I'd been off of Pratcha. How are you? How did it down? I was wondering how you came up with the format for the show. You were the first to split each book into parts, but all the stuff about helicopters, loincloths, the scripted recaps and

detainingly lyrical scripted refaps, listing the characters and places. Was it organic? Was it planned? And if someone had dipped in an out rather than listen from the start, how would you explain those things to them? So, the first couple of episodes were very unstructured. We were just going through with post-it notes at the points we found interesting, we had notes, but they weren't. It wasn't very structured. As I recall, after the first couple of episodes, I said, can we put some structure in? Yes, because this is hell to edit. Yeah.

So it started there and it also helped. We had a big break between recording our kind of magic episodes and our life fantastic episodes. Yes. Because we recorded the, we've always planned on being a month ahead. That went away. Now we're about two days ahead. And that's why occasionally an episode gets recorded on the day it comes out.

So we recorded those color of magic episodes in July and we planned to release them in August. This was way, way back into 2019. And then my life got far of it. And Francine was very kind about let's put all of this podcast thing to one side for a couple of months. But it gave us some time to think about it. And I was listening to a lot of especially more TV week TV recap podcast and stuff at the time. So I think I put most of the structure together. Yes, I think my part was, please can we add some structure? And Joanna came up of the structure together? Yes, I think my part was, please, can we add some structure? And Joanna came up with the structure.

And definitely the scripted summary was your idea, because I wasn't convinced about that. You promised to keep it under a certain length, and that always worked out. I mean, you've never had it longer than I would consider acceptable. Yeah. And the previously on, I don't remember when that started. I remember going, I remember talking about how difficult it must be for TV series to do,

like a real previously on my bullshit version. Yeah. And yeah, but the previously on helps, because it gives us like a reminder of the context before we dive into what we've been doing. Yeah, I mean, literally it gives me a reminder because I have to go through Joe's notes from the last month,

from the last week. And the helicopter and loincloth thing like we've explained a couple of times that it was way back in front of his mouth. Yeah, that's it. Back in current magic, front turn up and I went, oh, he's

wearing a loincloth. There's quite a lot of loincloths in Discord actually. And then I said offhandedly, there's also quite a lot of helicopters, more than you'd expect, expect for a fantasy series. I was literally thinking of that once in a monstrous regiment, but Francine looked incredulous and said, the bit stuck. Yeah, I think and I'm not convinced that I left it in the episode. There is a chance that I cut the context out because I didn't think it would continue. But I like that the listeners have embraced it. Yeah, that's our own thing. But yeah, so most of the structure just, I get a lot of it came from other podcasts I was listening to because there's so many of the recap podcasts I listened to did tend to act through shows like chronology like talk about the scenes in an episode of a television

in order and it was I think the storm which was a lost real watch podcast had a structure that wasn't that and where they built up two bigger talking points and they had things like recaps and talking through characters and some bits and I thought that would be a nice shape. And then I had to tweak it because we're talking about a book, not a TV show. And then we still had to learn to self edit a bit before we recorded the episodes so that editing wouldn't be hell on you afterwards. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, originally the first few months of us doing the structured one, we had a couple of talking points and little bits we liked that I would cut out each time, which I've wondered and worked as well. I've just cut it out. Yeah, but now we just try and pick ones that will work

and it's very rare. I have to get a whole section. Yeah, we've had like occasional episodes as well where we've like, I said, oh, we're going to have this talking point and we've done it and then we've stopped and we've gone back and we've done it again. Yeah, generally ones that are a bit more sensitive or that we want to get right and just fucked up. Yeah, like I think interesting times was one of those. We talked through some of the racial stuff in it a couple of times. Yeah.

But yeah, so it was planned to start properly planning it, but it wasn't all planned right from the beginning. Uh, the splitting into three was something we planned from the off. Cause like, I had this idea of doing the disco or podcast. And when I started actually looking around at lots of them, I realized they would all be one episode on a single book, but I also saw the length of a lot of those episodes. And I just thought the part of the inspiration for doing the podcast was us talking about Discord and the pub, and we could easily get an hour and a half conversation out of 10 lines in Discord book. So I thought, you're all well, can we decide to not do that?

So I thought three episodes would be safer because thought, you know what, there's a lot to talk about. Yeah. And we wanted room to do all of that and we wanted to have like weekly episodes or on the month, the episodes not to criticize the other discord blogger. So I don't think those long episodes where you cover a single book are bad. No, but I know that Ben from Pratt chat for instance spends like an entire day if not more editing each one of those. Yeah. And it's easier for me to take a couple of hours out of a week than it is the whole day, ultimately. Yes, and this is definitely not art day jobs. Yeah. But yeah, so that's been a lot of it. I'm quite glad with how the structural

came together. Yeah, I think it plays all right. Yeah. Yeah, I think it flies all right. Yeah. I think it only occasionally comes out very unbalanced. I mean, structurally unbalanced, not mentally, obviously, it's always unbalanced, but... Yeah, I'm happy with it. Yeah, that's enough, Mesa. I do quite like making the podcast.

Well, it was a weird thing as well, because we wanted to do research and look at the existing Desqu existing Discord podcast when we started, which very quickly went like, I've listened to a couple of episodes, and now I'm not going to, because I don't want to be nicking stuff off of other Discord podcasts. Exactly, yeah.

We try and listen back to the episodes of books we've already covered. Yeah, I think the only time I break that rule was when Alan Deskworld had Joanna Robinson on, who I'm a big fan of, so I listened to that episode on Wondersmith. Yeah. But it's over a year ago, I think the only time I break that rule was when Alan Deskwold had Joanna Robinson on who I'm a big fan of so I listened to that episode on Wencesmith. Yeah. But it's over a year ago so I've fought on everything that was said. Yeah. And then we have one last question from Marie.

Did doing the podcast together change your friendship? Any near-ending fights because of completely different opinions? I think if anything, it probably made us closer friends in the, or more reliably in communication friends. We are over-sing mothers, because you and I are both the sort of person who like, well, absolutely not fall out with someone, but we'll forget to suggest like, Katie, you want to go for coffee for like weeks and months at a time, which when two people are like that, can drive friendships apart. Yeah, yeah. So this gave us a reason to talk to you to the every week, especially in the pandemic. Yes, yeah, I think we'd probably set something else up

during the pandemic, but without the like impetus to we need to release this every week, it would have been harder to stick to. Yeah, so I'm glad that this helped. And also like, like I think our friendship has probably changed over the last three and a half years, we've been in the podcast, but I don't know how much that has to podcast, and that's just also what happens to people. Yeah, I mean, we've both changed a lot in the last five years. Yeah, I think we've not really had any fights about it. My husband's spoken rule is I give Joanna just veto unless I really object to something.

And then Joanna never really seems to push back if I really object to something. So no, that's fair. And we also like, where are opinions differ? We're so used to seeing each other's point of view. Yeah. That it's been quite nice. Yeah, the thing is, at the end of the day, it's fucking podcast. And if there was going to be a friendship ending argument over it, I'd rather just give up the podcast than the friendship.

And so with that in mind, it's never come to it. So. No. And also, like, I don't think we've ever had any massively different opinions on the book. We've got like books. Some, like I like soul music, you're not a big fan of it. You're always like Rince Wind more than I do.

It's fair, yeah. Yeah. No, we're still good. Good. Well, I'm glad you don't hate me. Occasionally, one front scene is like editing a tricky episode and the sound has gone really wrong and the software's not working properly and she's very stressed. I get very scared I've made her hate me by making her do a podcast with me. Now luckily the Irish generally directed to a vague concept of technology and the world and whatever forces above the driving those other two against me. Yes, I've been very lucky to not be on

the receiving end of the eye because she's actually quite scary. Yeah, I'll tear it by me. Right, so the other thing we want to talk about, there's not a listener question and there's not Nightwatch. But as we know when it's coming now and it's not far away and we're rather excited. Yeah, can I go get coffee first? Yeah, absolutely. I just realized we were probably talking slightly across purposes on that last proper question and that I was talking about arguing about how the podcast is done and I think you were talking about arguing about how the podcast is done. And I think you were talking about arguing about how we interpret the books.

Yeah, probably. My revised answer on whether we would argue to the point of friendship and the gone, how we interpret the books would be even more dismissive. Like, unless Joanna somehow outshed herself as a terrible person through, through it. Suddenly became a racist transphobia. It seemed very unlikely and she was a better person than me.

I don't think we're gonna fall out over that. We didn't only disagree, but I like to think we try and make it humorous. I'm also not a better person than you. I'm just a bit of a liar. Ah, nice. So the other thing that we want to talk about today, we've got a release date now,

and I think it's time to start getting excited for it, is Good Omen Series 2. Whop-whop! Which, nice. Nice, coming up soon. And of July. Nois. And yes, we're going to talk about it at length.

I don't know how it length, yeah. Joanna might have decided. I have, I'm going to tell us at the end of the podcast, spoilers. Okay, so what we know about Good Omen series 2 so far, a few few things and we're excited. So, as you two years ago in 1989, in a shared Seattle hotel room at World Fantasy con, jet-like hit near the Terry and so they stayed up and plotted the sequel to Good Omen's before the first one had officially come out. But then Sandman and Discworld became Sandman and Discworld and they didn't really get around to writing it. So this plan existed. So after Good Open Series one was such a success.

Neil Gaiman and Rob Wilkins approached Amazon and BBC and everyone was very excited. So Neil brought John Finnamore into co-write, which for listeners who aren't familiar with John Finnamin, go look you up on basically just type his name in the BBC Soundz app and there's loads of good stuff but I will link to Marvelous Thing at the Boston which is with great pleasure. Tell me about that, I've not heard of that. So Neil Gaiman did an episode of this and it's got lots of like readings from stuff they like and conversations about it and they did a Christmas episode so it's John Phenomorin, Neil Gaiman but Peter Capaldi was also there Neenis Estesania was also there

The Eucalyleic Great Britain Eucalyleic Orchestra of Great Britain was there so I'm gonna link to that one in the show notes It's about an hour long and it's a really good lesson But also is it John Finnemore soon in the day program? That's what I'm thinking, wasn't it? I have no idea, I'm sorry We'll put a few links in the show notes, but it's a good choice of co-reducer. I think it's going to make things good. These are funny, man. So season two of Goodamans got announced on the 29th of June, 2021, which was a fun day because I saw it on Twitter and got very excited and I tweeted about it. And then everyone I know who knows that I have even a tent because it spreads so fast on Twitter

and then all across the internet, everyone I know who doesn't necessarily listen to the podcast but is fully aware I have sort of an interest in this sort of thing in any way, show, perform, texted me to tell me there was going to be a good omen series too. Including me. Including Francie. I'm going to give myself an excuse that has Joanna's official texture of things that she just read two minutes ago. Yeah, that is Francis' job.

I am not quite as online as Joanna, but nearly. But I am unhealthily online, and that is not something one should aspire to be. Newgaming recently said on Tumblr that season two of Goodamans is something he is truly satisfied with, which has not been true for a lot of his works. I love that Neil Gaiman still announced the things on Tumblr. Sorry. I'm not going to lie. A lot of contacts for today came from Neil Gaiman's Tumblr.

Good. Yeah. So it's been really interesting actually with the lead up to Good Oven series to in that Neil Gaiman is a member of the WGA and is therefore not doing anything to promote Good Oven season two because he wrote it and he is striking. Yes. So he has obviously like I think maybe retweeted things but that's about it and he is very quiet which is obviously 100% respect. That and the WGA strike but I am also glad that season two of Goodomans was very much

done dusted and ready to go and so the only thing it's really accepted is that Neil Gaiman does never sort of final say on things like lines on promotional posters. Yeah. So it's not like there's no, it's not like the shows that they're halfway through production and the writers and the writers' strikers happened. And it's not been affected by that, which is great.

Oh, cool. Sorry, I just opened his tumblif, see if I could scroll down to the context, but I see he posts several times the day. So never mind. The context was someone asked him on tumblr, you've said in the past that I've never been satisfied with the movie or TV show I've made, but that was a while ago. Has your mind changed since? Some things like with Sam Mann and with Genniamanns and with like the anancy boys show coming out. Yeah. Which I'm hoping that's not been hugely delayed whether I'm actually struggling because I'm excited for it. Yeah. And he said he was truly satisfied. He said like in response to the things he's truly

satisfied with are like certain episodes of Gennemanns, he's in one but the whole of season two. of Good Omen season one, but the whole of season two. Exciting. I'm very excited. So what we know plot wise, Neil came in and told Radio Times in 2017 interview that the sequel that he and Prachi had discussed was about where the angels actually come from. Okay. So some of the angels that were in season one of Good Omen's that aren't in the book were drawn from those book two plans.

Yes. He's confirmed our story actually begins about five minutes before anyone I got around saying let there be light. Okay. He said we're back in Soho and all through time and space, solving a mystery, which starts with an angel wandering through Soho with no memory. So we know David Tennant and my designer obviously back as Crowley and a Zerafail. John Hamm is coming back as Gabrielle. Yeah. I gotail. John Hamm is coming back as Gabriel. Yeah.

I got I love John Hamm. God, he's good. I mean, I love like all of them, but I got I love John Hamm. John Hamm's like a surprising delight. I was forget his in it. And whenever I see him in anything, I'm like, oh, John Hamm. Yeah. Look at him being handsome. His brief story arc on 30 rock being one of my favorite favorite things. Yeah, especially the second one. It does seem like this is a sequel to Crowley and a zero fell story not the rest. So we don't have the them.

We don't have shadow. We can be on Pratresi. We don't seem to have balls of her in a Nathema. But some actors from season one are coming back in New roles. So they announced at New York Comic Con in 2022 during the Goodamans panel. Maggie Service and Nina Sasagna, who both played members of the Chattano Order of St. Barrel, returning as new characters called Maggie and Nina. I say Maggie Service is very practical in them. Yes, it is.

But a lovely ring to it. So Maggie is running a record shop and Nina running a coffee shop, both near Zerafell's bookshop. Okay. I think we're just building an neighborhood we'd like to live in now, is running a record shop and Nina running a coffee shop both near Zerafell's bookshop. I think we're just building an neighborhood we'd like to live in now in the in the bands of this television show. I believe so. There's also actors who were in season one who are possibly returning but in new roles. So Liz Carr, Dean McChill and Gloria O'Bianno who will play Dengels, Sarah Kel Michael and Yeriel. Miranda Richardson is coming back in a new role. Okay.

Which I don't care what that is. I'll enjoy it. It's Miranda Richardson. Of course. So David has confirmed that a conference recently that new actors being in this both in the sun. Can you say that again?

Sorry, I just lost you for a second. New actors that are going to be in this, David's tenant confirmed a con appearance this week that both his son, Ty Tennant and his father and orpí today with him are going to be in the show. I say. Okay, Ty Tennant. Yeah, he was very good. He was in Hashtagun.

Oh, Halty. I'm not sure. Like, Kim Sano, like Adolfson. I think he's like late teens, if not Adolf. Yeah. I'm imagining. I'm obviously Peter Davidson, we know as the fifth doctor. Yes.

But yeah, they've got some sort of scenes together. I believe it's in episode two. David Tennant said his favourite line from the whole thing is in episode two, and it's a scene that Ty is also in. All right, noted. He is also confirmed much more importantly that Crowley will have a variety of hairstyles. Good, excellent. I was worried. I was worried. Will he be appearing again in the bath wearing socks?

He hasn't confirmed or denied. Okay, okay, so I'm hoping. He hasn't confirmed or denied. Okay, okay, so I'm hoping. I want to know if we're going to get any recreation of the dancing around a pincine that lives in my head front free. I might start rewatching at home and now. That might be a good idea. So I don't love knowing I have to binge something.

I love binging things, but if I know I have to, it's a tool. Whereas if I start now. And I haven't rewatched it since we covered it actually, so that'll be fun. Let me neither. Because yeah, we watched it in fairly quick succession, didn't we? Yeah, so I mean, I'm really looking forwards covering it because, you know, telly. Who else have we got this new and out, Tim Downey? He might know from Abs.Crow, from Toast of London. What's he playing that? I can't remember either of...

Oh, he's Kit Marlow in Upsock Crow. I can't remember his character name in Toast of London because I can't remember people's names from things which really, by the way, was doing TV coverage. But he will be playing Mr. Brown Chairman of the Wicbist Street Shopkeepers and Street Traders Association. Oh, I know this chapter, yes.

Oh, cool. Nice. Unfortunately, Anna Maxwell-Marsin, who played BL's above wasn't available for season two. But they want to keep the character. So she's going to be played by Shelley Conn, who you might know as Lady Mary Sharma from season two of Bridgerton. The girl's mum. What's her name? Shelley Con. I should have made Francine look all of these up before we record it. I didn't think. Oh yeah, wow, okay.

Yeah. Cool. So that's what we know. We're very excited for it. There's also a good Omen's board game. Good Omen's the ineffable game. It's coming out on June 5th. It's very soon.

Yeah, what do you know what the what the deal is with that game? What's the... So apparently it's a set of seven different games you can play within the box. And it's all co-op, card and dice battle games where you try and save the fate of the earth. Okay. So it sounds like a very efficient game for a lot of not-a-money. Yeah. I'm assuming by seven different games it's going to be something along the lines of different scenarios you get to play with. Yeah. So I'm trying to think it would a game with a good example like that, most of the ones

that I know are a lot more complicated, like the Arkham games that we've played, Eldritch Horror, that's when we've got lots of different scenarios you can play through. I'm assuming it'll be something along those lines, but I don't know. So like an RPD aspect? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, okay. But I like a co-op game. I like the idea of getting a value for money.

And I generally like a board game. I mean, it's hard to not look at this and feel a bit cynical. Is this some kind of like extra cash grab. What's it? But I'm choosing to be very optimistic and think it'll be good fun. I mean, what's the line on that? When does it become a cynical cash grab what's it in your opinion? There's not enough effort put in. Yeah, when it's sort of a lazy like we've taken the most generic game structure possible and just shove some names on it. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I doubt that.

If Neil Gaiman has any control over it, I doubt that's happened. But yes. Yeah. No, which is why I'm being excited and optimistic for the game. At least how are we feeling about good moments? Are we excited? Are we nervous? Are we scared? I guess excited. I can't see why I'd be nervous or scared. I don't know. There's something about loving the book so much and loving the original series so much where I feel like if the second series isn't as fun, it's always going to be a bit disappointing.

I mean, it might be a bit disappointing, but it won't in any way take away from the first series or the book for me. Oh, yeah. So I'm assuming Neil Gaiman is not coming to my house forcibly removing my copy of Good Omen's copies of Good Omen's. I mean, and that in itself would be an experience that I wouldn't be too angry about because it would be interesting. Yeah, get to me. too angry about because it would be interesting. Yeah, gets me. This is just like teleports in in the pre-ass opposed. She like a coffee must be very busy. Is this the the hog father equivalent? I'm surprised. We did it all with one night. I mean, oh, you know, I just don't feel as strongly about television as you. I'm always surprised and delighted when

I really get on with a TV show. And so there's not really the disappointment when I don't. For me, this is really exciting, like just to talk about TV and do a podcast on it because obviously we've talked about TV before, but it's always been adaptations. So we've not, everything we've talked about has been like sort of through the lens of how do we feel about it as an adaptation? Yeah, how does it stack up? Yeah, as much as it is, it's very insil with the watch ones, but yeah, we didn't do many episodes on the watch for a reason.

Yeah. But yes, we're talking about something, we have no prior knowledge, it's not based, it is based on a book we love, but it's not the plot of the book we love. Hmm. I mean, really, it's just, it's just a new, new game and thing, isn't it?

Yeah, and that and itself, it's interesting. But in our podcast, now I think about it, the very loose ideas, well, no, I don't know, I don't know how loose or not loose, the ideas from Pratchett are, I suppose. Yeah, but it's not not Pratchett. It's not Pratchett. It's not Pratchett. It's not Pratchett. Yeah. But it is probably the least close to Pratchett thing we've done so far on the podcast. Yeah. Because it wasn't actively involved in its creation.

Yeah. I'm guessing we can do a bit of digging and Neil Gaiman will be doing more interviews and things so that we can add some more Pratchettin context. We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we pratcheting context. We're since we did the last good omens. With Rob's books come out, so we do have some more good omensy context. Yes, true. I think we can tie it in nicely. I'm looking forward to it.

I'm not nervous about it. I think it'll be good. Yeah. I think if Neil Gaiman says it's the first one he's been happy with, unless Neil Gaiman has very different tastes to me, which he doesn't seem to. I'm charging by what he's doing for uses. I you don't seem to. I'm just trying to buy what easily produces. I think it'll be good.

I still don't watch summer. It's good, you should watch it. Yeah, I enjoyed the first episode. It's just long, isn't it? So speaking of our coverage for this year. So obviously, we also talk about good moments and we are going to. So the current plan is next month we are talking

about the science of discord part two. That will probably be two episodes rather than three because it's a scrumptious club book. We don't want to bore you. Not that the science of discord books are boring but there is definitely less to talk about on the podcast. Yeah, well, our specialises don't really overlap with Stambury often. So when they do, it's very specific. As you might know, if you're a regular listener, we usually take us on holiday in August. We're going to move that forward this year because good moments. So after our two episodes in Science of Discworld, we'll be taking the rest of June and most of July off, which apologies I know that's slightly longer

than the break we normally take, but I have to hand in a book. Yeah, and I kind of need to do that. Yeah, yeah, so actually the time is coming up. So it's coming up and I'm not willing to ask her to do any more things. So we're going to have a little break, and then we will be back in time to talk

about get omens, the current plan as it six episodes and they're all dropping up once. And we don't want to hold back our coverage too much. The current plan is that we'll cover episodes one to two and then I'll come out the Monday after get omens comes out the following week three to four. I need to watch the show before I decide 100%, but episodes five and episodes six may get their own individual episodes or they may be covered in a single episode. So August basically is Good Omen's month. August is Good Omen's month. Okay. But starting at the end of July. Yeah. Then for the rest of the year, because we still got the rest of the year

Francine. We do. I forgot about all that. And I normally in December, but we have a Christmas episode, I announced the schedule for the following year, but because I was waiting for a good omen series two release, release date, I didn't write one. But we've got one round. We've been weeing it. The spreadsheet has been neglected, but it's back in full unhinged glory. Hooray. So thanks to my corkboards and string, I can now reveal. September, we will be talking about going postal. I will normally, obviously, if we cover a book and there's an adaptation of it, we cover that

the same month, going postal, we might save the adaptation for Christmas, because I just think it's a really fun thing to watch at Christmas. Yeah, I agree. But we will talk about the adaptation even if it's not the same month. Also, I kind of want to have a little bit of distance between the book and the adaptation because I love the book. I love the adaptation, but I would say it's one of the less accurate ones. Yeah, it'd just be nice to have the break anyway. I agree. I think it's nice to watch an adaptation at Christmas. Yeah. And then October, we will talk about Thad. We will talk about Thad. Oh, I can't believe it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's terrifying. November, we'll be taking another break from the disc because it's finally time to talk nation.

It is. So everyone, get your lines for November. Yeah. It's slightly outside the chronology, isn't it? But we decided that's where it works. Yeah, otherwise, I think we were trying to shove too much non-discold into this world. And I think emotionally, it's going to be a good time.

Yeah. And then we're going to finish off the year on a seasonally appropriate note with winter Smith. I think that's all we're going to say today about the 25th of May and listen to questions and good omens. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

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