The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret - Hogswatch 2023: Going Postal TV (Gay Abandon)

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret is a podcast in which your hosts, Joanna Hagan and Francine Carrel, read and recap every book from Sir Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series in chronological order. This week, a bonus Hogswatch Extravaganza as we discuss the TV adaptation of Going Postal. Watch this episode on YouTube!Bells! Festivity! A Very Wet Banshee! Find us on the internet:Twitter: @MakeYeFretPodInstagram: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretFacebook: @TheTruthShallMakeYeFretEmail: [e-mail]: www.patreon.com/thetruthshallmakeyefretDiscord: https://discord.gg/29wMyuDHGP Want to follow your hosts and their internet doings? Follow Joanna on twitter @joannahagan and follow Francine @francibambi Things we blathered on about:The Infinite Monkey’s Guide to... Strawberries - BBC Sounds The history of letter boxes - The Postal Museum Music: Chris Collins, indiemusicbox.com 

What were we talking about? What are we going to talk about? Well, do you know, here we are at the end of the year, another year, 2023, our fourth year of podcasting. All four years. Hmm. Third, we started at the end of 2019. Yeah.

No, so that's four years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I said third. Yeah, four years of podcasting. Do you know what I'm saying? I can never do the counting how many years are in this number of years, yeah. Yeah, no. Maths. I actually worked same, I can never do the counting how many years are in this number of years. Yeah, no, no, maths.

I actually worked out that I figured that I'd covered when I was trying to work out how long we had had the dog. And I was like, we got her in 2018, let's 2022. But I've got five, I've got five August of photos in it was September. So yeah, that was good. Anyway, end of the year. End of the year, we finished the year. We've made it. Well, I haven't read it yet because I think you just pressed post as we got onto this call, but you've written your years round up for view of media. I did a quick round up form where I was like, yeah, you timed it really well. You sent me

the Zoom link literally as I was hitting posters, like frantically getting the last couple of pictures of it, and while I was waiting for the link. And that's me being psychic, not me refusing to learn how to hook up my monitor the first time. And your computer just broken. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, no, I haven't rounded up literally everything I liked or everything I watched in 2023 because I had like an hour to write the piece. But lots of things that I loved, snuck in a few, okay, I didn't really like this, but I loved this. Yeah, I've tried to be overall positive of where. Literally, yeah, I wanted to be positive at the end of the year. Think about the nice

things we had this year. What was a nice thing? Tell me a nice thing. There were lots of nice things. Period dramas. Period dramas? I'm not saying good at age. The Bucken Ears, which is so two period dramas set or within a couple of decades of each other, with just wildly different tones.

Is Bucken Ears world-first? No, it's similar to Gulded Age. It's like 1870s, New York and England. It's American socialites going to England to find husbands based on an Edith Warton unfinished novel that got published post-traumously. Post-traumously. Yes, there's been an adaptation of it before BBC Miniseries, but yeah, this is very like period drama, Donner's teen drama, which is

a particular sort of flavor of the guy I love. I remember you telling me about this now. Yes, they actually got some like modern slang and type thing. Yeah, modern slang, modern music, costumes, gorgeous, and it's got Christina Hendrix and I had a crush on her for a very long time. Absolutely. She's pretty. Yeah, period dramas, there's some video games I loved. Idiot that I am, I almost just completely forgot to mention Goodomans 2. And then realised and talked about it so much. I know, I gave it an honorable mention in the Doctor Who

Bear in a hot dividend summer. Mm-hmm, yeah. Because I couldn't write a paragraph on it. I've just talked about it too much, Francine. There's nothing left in me. It's just currently pretty. Yeah, I've linked to the, linked to the episodes.

It's fine. Yeah, it's pretty much just currently pretty. Yeah, I've seen even more analysis of this online recently, like new stuff to Twitter's been serving me new takes. And I kind of agree with some of them. I don't know if that's just because it's been too long, but I'll take it as a nice one. Oh, well, such as the way that Ezera Fail was looking, Darcy and I, side to side, might have met something or not. I can't really go further than that without putting a spoiler

warning on this episode, which I can't be bothered to. Yeah, no, that's fair. That's good stuff. Right, sorry, we're going to start the episode probably in a sec, but I can hit banging, I think there's like, there's some other door or something. I'll be back. Sorry. Every time, every time I say, no other episode, it's time to run out. If she gets murdered at the door, I feel quite bad about winter.

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Murderous carol doesn't come around here. How would you think? Have you had mice, yeah? It's been a wonderful year. There's been ice. There's been pigs. What more could you ask for, Francine? Your Palace of Bones, what a... My lovely Palace of Bones in the fullstime of year. Yeah, it is. It is. Now Francine, I've got some letters. Oh fantastic. Good. The listeners have once again managed to find your address. They've found my address. I don't know how I keep changing it. Fucking bird.

Hogfather. Sorry. He's eating. There's been a sherry or two on my rounds. But before I continue on bringing gifts and picked all the lovely dear little children, some letters, letters from your dear listeners. All right, I'll hear them.

Well, you seen, has asked for, the time and motivation for crafting projects, more reckless abandon in writing, I approve of that, everyone should write with gay abandon, preferably make it gayer. That's my, yeah. Good eyebrow. everyone should write with gay abandoned preferably make it gayer. That's my good eyebrows. Professional suggestion. Paul Crietz, which I approve of. What's that? Pate.

Very nice. Bits of pig. Use the whole pig, even the whole pig. The whole pig, yeah, no waste. And would like us to spare a thought for the people who, I don't know what the Nell Australia is, but it's sounds similar to Forex. Well, supermarkets don't have good patty. I am sorry for X. I'll be looking into this. Fourth with.

Fourth with goodness. Fourth with and possibly even fifth with. Oh, so is motivation and gay abandon something you can provide? I, emotionally, emotionally, I'm providing vibes of gay abandon and motivation. To all of your dear little listeners, if they so need it. I feel like if anything, some of them have too much abandon, but we'll see. No, there is no such thing, Francine. They have adequate amounts of abandon all around.

Slati the cat has sent a letter via a tolanta. He's been braving good this year. He's made a new friend fits and he's sharing his hogs watch presents. He'd like his favorite rabbit pate, which rabbits are harder than pigs because well, I've got the pick. They're on the roof. Hopefully not breaking the roof. I've heard it's fragile. But we'll do our best, Slati. We'll look for the rabbit pate, and Slati asked us to have a word with a friend of mine to take over a friend of his Boston, and we're keeping a good eye on Boston. He's very well looked after now.

Okay, okay, good. Craig has decided that he is comfortably on the nice list, which is bolder for him to assume for himself. But we'll allow it, even though he's been swearing and indulging in the demon drink. Wow. He'd like, well, peace and happiness to all person kind and I'm doing my best, but really all I can offer is gay abandon. It's very much effemed. Hogsarch. Not sure how we got here, but we're going with it, we're going with it. Tate and Gay abandoned. So we need Hogswatch's fat and gay abandoned. Two world peace next year. No, just scan with the morale, I carry sunglasses.

All I want for Hogswatch is fat and gay abandoned. Craig also suggests that one of the head fretters of Guypal, Joanna, should be on the naughty list. But never being present as the same time as me and I've to that. So I say, Craig, don't worry about it. It's fine. I'm very nervous. Give me that. Yeah. PD, PD has had a lovely year and has a delightful year coming. Oh, fantastic.

He's even going to his first disco convention. Well done, PD, you know, and find some other actually humans that we love that we love. We support and love. PD would like the ongoing ability to finish his novel, the wisdom to edit decently, forstude what needs to be cast and the strength to do something with the manuscript. PD, I recommend gay abandoned. Plenty of gay abandoned that'll fix it. Yeah, yeah, and just some real ruthlessness with the carto. Yeah, yeah, and just some real ruthlessness with the carton. Yeah, you've got to give it 24 hours after you finish writing before you start cutting.

That's my advice. And lastly, Stacey, Stacey would like a battleaxe and Stacey, you've been very good this year and Stacey, you shall have a battleaxe. Please wield it with gay abandon. Love see this is what I like a return to traditional values. Yeah, battleux and heavy weaponry. Harsking for all this and all that mean Pate, Pate, gay abandon and battleux is. That's only a demo for this year. Core tenets of the hoax what I would say. Now, Francine, I'd love to stay and wait and say hello to lovely Joanna, one of the head freshers of the people. I mean, I imagine she'll be back from getting murdered at the door anytime now, if you want.

I'm sure she will, but my pigs are on the roof and this, this roof is not stable. Oh, no, actually, you're quite right. If she starts getting rained on and bedded out, now we're going to hear the end of it. Yeah. All right. All right. Have a lovely hog swatched to you and all of your dear little people. And you too, Hogfather.

I do, I love the sound of those glingol wells, I think they are perfectly fetched for this, nonsense. Well, listeners, I hope you for Joanna, thank goodness. Sorry about that, it was Carolas with Baselaxes. Oh good, yes. Well, at least that was Unix something traditional. Very traditional. Right, we've got stuff. Do you want to make a podcast? Yeah, I guess we'll make a podcast. Hello and welcome to The True Shell Make-E-Frat Special Hogs Watch Edition! It's a podcast in which we're usually reading and recapping every book from Toe Pratchett's

Discord series, one of Simon Inchronology's Glouder, I'm Joanna Hagen. I'm Prancing Carol. It's our bonus Hogs Watch extravaganza, we're going to be talking about the live action adaptation of Going Postal today. Yeah, all three hours of it. Every year I'm surprised that TV adaptations are longer than films. Yes. Just by the fact this is the third of these we've done.

Yeah, yeah, every year. Inclusive. So, no spoilers before we crack on. Spoilers for going post-all, the book and the TV adaptation. We're up to winter's meds, so theoretically spoilers, but we probably won't be talking about it all that much. However, we will avoid spoiling any major future events in the Discworld series and we're saving any in all discussion of the final Discworld novel, The Shepherds Crown, until we get there.

So you dear listener can come on the journey with us. Stampeding through the sky like wild hogs on a sleigh. Beautiful. Before we go into all of the festive fun, I've got some follow-up. Okay, very organised, go on there. Do a condiment correspondent, you see? Yes, she needs a badge. It does need a badge. I've been told I'd say it, so I'm sorry if I'm still going to it wrong. We asked about jam and the liminal.

It's an interesting question. Ask me about jam. Fantastic that. Ask me about condiments, one of the two. Sorry, jam and the liminal, please. Jam and the liminal. Professor Brian Cox has speculated frequently on the nature of strawberries alone on the infinite monkey cage for cost. I sure consider a life.

How can we tell? I'm making notes here if I can link to that. If we stick to the condiment paradigm, we can be sure jam is not a condiment, so it survives the liminal. Your litmus test of if it can go on toast by itself is not a condiment. It's spot on.

I'm glad our condiment corresponded and agrees with me on this. But jam, like most condiments, does also generally not go off. So one could argue there's no concept of jams in the afterlife, hence no jam from the cornucopia. Right. There is, however, the arguments be made that jam is eternal,

much like death, it's unchanging, eternal, and inevitable. Can one go through life and never encounter jam? I argue one can't. I agree, yes, in. Going anecdotally, certainly. This means that jam is outside of time and mortality, which puts in the same realm as death, and this opens up the possibility for death to make his own jam. Death makes honey. It does make honey. It follows all of those points as well.

I feel like jam, honey falls in the jam category, honey is not a condiment. Yeah, but not jam. Although it is also, it's not a, yeah, no, but that's what I mean, honey is not a condiment. Yeah, but it is also, it's not a, yeah, no, but that's what I mean, honey is on the jam side of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I would say possibly even more so because I'd say it's more of an association with death than unchangingness, like think of a modified man. Oh, yeah, good point. Yeah. Sorry, please, carry it. This opens up the possibility for death to make your own jam as well as so get deaths and strawberries before you ask I expect this works the same from Maram lad Maram lad ah yes they're difficult so you've seen official condiment correspondent of the trisha make you right we thank you for your

arm-labs suggestions and your maram lad suggestions for the maramads. For the maramelads. All right, as is traditional on our little Hogswatch episode, we have a couple of listener questions. Also very briefly, Patton John Harkin, which all of our listeners, a happy Hogswatch. Oh, passing by. Very nice. We hand a question from Nim. What five-discworld characters would you pick as contestants for an edition of Taskmaster? I personally am not indulging in this because I have not yet seen an episode of Taskmaster.

I will get to it eventually. But Francine. But Nim also asked about the host and co-host situation. So I've decided on that. Red Cully and the Berzer, I'm going to say, that's quite a different dynamic to Greg and Alex because Alex, Alex comes up with the tasks himself and is well definitely subordinate is that you know, not on dried frog bills as far as I can tell. So I'm going to base purely of like odd clips of taskmaster I've seen on TikTok that I would do like a rid cullion ponder situation if I wanted to parallel it more directly. Okay, yeah.

Yeah. For my own amusement, that's all. That's right. For the accuracy. Oh yeah, this isn't the correction. This is me throwing shit at you. Yes, yeah. And then for the five contestants Oh, yeah, this is the correction. This is me throwing shit at you. And then for the five contestants,

what did NIM go for? I mean, you have it there. Yeah. Naniog, Archchancellarid, Ridgully, Nabi Nobs, Tiffany Aking and Carrot. Cool, cool. So I've also gone Naniog as my first one, because I feel like Taskmaster,

that the series, each series really benefits from the presence of a totally insane older woman, normal age, an older woman. I've then got Ponder Stevens, so I could switch that with Versa. If we put him in a Sassan, we've got the Librarian, I think, would be an excellent contestant. So I think the Librarian and Nanny Og, it's probably, no, the librarian and Angua, who's my next contestant, it's gonna be close between them at the end. Nanny Og, I think, is in it for fun,

but we'll be surprisingly well at some lateral sinking tasks. And then at the end, I've got Rintzwind, question mark. So I'm not sure he'd agree, but he might get roped into it some eldritch reason. Yeah, and I feel like he's got the capacity to be a bit ingenious when heitch reason. Yeah, and I feel like he's got the capacity to be a bit ingenious when he has to. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And if it started to look fatal, I'm sure the luggage would stampede in a make for an interesting upside. That is even dust, disc weld task masters going to be a lot more dangerous. I assume there's more potential for talent. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I said that really weirdly. I really enjoyed thinking about that question.

Thank you very much. Now the main question we have been asked for this episode for multiple people is what are we going to do after the shepherd's crown? Oh god, I don't know. Jam on toast. Probably jam on toast. And it's some honey. It's coming up. It will be next year. I don't know when next year heads up the last one. I don't know if she starts looking insane. We will not be announcing the schedule for next year at the end of this episode because I haven't done it yet and I'm scared to open the spreadsheet. Just be word as much as you're all emotional about us reaching the Shepherd's Crown and therefore like the end of the Discworld. We're emotional about it too. Yeah. Yeah. It a scary thought, especially as Will have been doing this for almost five years,

by the way. Yeah, it's very blocked off in my head at the moment. Yeah, I'm just not thinking about it. I'm not because I'll have an emotion and I haven't got one of those scheduled until I think the 28th. Yeah, no, no, we've got, we've got stuff to do. Yeah, I got busy. Um, the sure answer is, uh, have a little holiday.

Yeah. Because I'm not going to lie, I think Will have earned it. The short answer is have a little holiday, because I'm not going to lie, I think, will have earned it. Yeah, I could do with a good feast on days in a row without editing a podcast. That would be nice. Yeah, we'll probably take a couple of months of not podcasting, because we've earned it. Short term, we've still got the long earth to talk about. We're planning some disc world round-up episodes so there will be more content after the

Sheppard's crown. There will be more episodes. The schedule may look a bit different, the structure may look a bit different but the basic idea of us podcasting about terry pratchet related stuff will stay the same longer term. We want to keep podcasting together as much as life and jobs and everything else allows. Sean specifically requested a buffy recap podcast that's not going to happen. No, I'm very sorry, I can't do that. TV podcasting I think is never really going to be for me as anyone who's seen these before will I think agree or has seen them recently will agree. I'm not saying Sean,

as it listened to any of our adaptation recaps. However, if you want, I would like to go and recap Buffy with somebody, I will not be offended. I may be not Buffy because I don't think I could top buffering the vampire slayer, which is one of my favorite book costs, but I would like to do some TV recap podcasting if I can find someone to podcast with me and Francine's promise you won't get jealous. But yeah, we won't recap podcasting if I can find someone to podcast with me and Francine's promise you won't get jealous. But yeah, we won't be podcasting about Buffy, but we will be podcasting as much as life allows. So we're not, you're not getting rid of us that easily listeners. So suggestions of books, very welcome. Yeah, if there's any, necessarily listen to them,

but it might spark something. Yeah, if there's any book series that you really want to hear us broadcast about, obviously the immediate plan as soon as we finished the Shepherd's Crown is to release an eight-part series on Gorman gas. Yeah, we've actually had that recorded for nearly five years now. We recorded the entire series before we started this podcast. This has all been a real asshole move for that part. I forgot that last year my knee year's resolution was not even to read just a biocopy of gormangast. I still do that.

Yeah, no, I've got like nine days left. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe I'm going to get a touch more. Somebody tweeted about low stakes goals for the new year, which I really liked the idea of. I didn't actually come up with any because I was meant to be working.

Yeah, and fun resolutions. I saw someone on Tumblr talking about something similar, like every time I saw an unfamiliar piece of fruit, I bought it and then I ate it while reading the Wikipedia page about it. Well, that's nice, I like that. Oh, all right, well, I might look some up and decide on some, but that's a that's a really good one

Yeah, so low stakes resolutions for next year. I'm gonna be less of a troll about gum and gas I'm not promising to read it like guys. I'm gonna I'll tell my head. I'm gonna read each month the short story By an author. I haven't read a short story from before I'm not gonna be enough because I've got fucking magazines full of short stories everywhere I I'm not making any real commitments for next year, others are not gonna write a book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm writing a book. That's my New Year's resolution. Well, I started writing it. Okay. I'm just writing it.

What, because I have a lesser all deadline. Yeah. Yes, but I'm very scared about it. Okay, okay. As long as you're terrified, that's the main thing. As everybody knows, fear is the healthiest motivator. It is fear and... Yeah, I procrastination.

Procrastination and being the reason I've got fairy lights hanging up behind me. I was killing time when I should have been writing. Beautiful. Right. I think that's all of our non-going, post-all related nonsense we're gonna talk about. Right. I think that's that's all of our non-going post all related nonsense we're going to talk about. Okay. Okay. Look at us to the place on topic. More or less.

I'll give us on some topics. So it's our mould wine. Yes, this is mould wine. Nice. It's festive. I should have got more left of you. It's no one. I'm happy with my coffee. I need to stay pepped. This is this is my version of pep. I don't normally have this much sugar in one go. Wait, if I said pepped in my life before, it's normally festive. Is that a thing people say? Peppy. Not in this decade, I don't think. I learned today the up sort, up sorted a word, because I don't know all the words to jingle bells,

but it's in jingle bells and it's the pass sense of upset as in to be turned upside down. Yes. I think you're not trying to, the other one Jack told me that. Yeah. I'm going to fight you know, but you seem like talking. Yeah. Both Francine only speaks to people whose name is keeping him with Jay. It's me, Jack and you've seen our correspondents.

But that harder to mix up with the pronunciation. Because I never tried. Right, we have a quick break before we go to the show. I'll get it world wide in the coffee and let's talk about the TV adaptation of going postal. Okay. Yeah, I like this Yay. I like this one. I like this one. I liked it better than the other adaptations.

Yeah, I think this is Probs. Probs my favorite. Probs, they've. Probs, they've. Probs, they've. I think the Hogfather is the most direct face to screen adaptation. Yes. Yeah.

But this is, I like this one. So yeah, first ed in May 2010, which I don't want to think about how long ago that was. So this is produced by the mob with sky. This is sort of the third in the little trilogy of of Discworld adaptations. They did the first being Hogfather, which we talked about a couple years ago and the second being the color of magic and light fantastic, which we talked about a long time ago. Many years. Many, many moons ago. All Shrine Budapest. And I think there's some gorgeous imagery and gorgeous

landscapes and things as a result. I love that. I don't know. That's a better past. That's cool. Yeah. From Rob's book, A Life with Footnote, that'd be Rob Wilkins, not just some random dude called Rob. Terry Pratchett is going post-all from the 2004 novel. Didn't lend itself to large-scale borrowing of the book's original dialogue in the same way that Hogfather had. The story had to be recrafted and lines changed. That would possibly account for Terry's blowing hot and cold during this production to a degree he hadn't with the other two, Hogfather and Colour Amadot. Some days it was the best adaptation ever.

Other days it had nothing going for a storm. You wanted to pull the plug on it and despair. I'd love to know which bits provoked which. Well, there's a great story in Rob's book about watching a rough cut of it for the first time. I'm directly brought it around to watch with Rob and Terry. I don't know, I've read this book. I promise I have.

It's just, it was a lot of information. There's so much to make in the book. information. I tried to concentrate on the screen. This is Rob, obviously, but I was too busy watching Terry, watching his arms go across his body and then tighten their hold and tighten further. This wasn't a good sign. He was clearly unhappy, extremely unhappy. At the end of the first half, Rob rocketed up out of his seat and confronted Rod. You just don't effing get it, do you? At this point, within techable timing, Lynn came through the living room door with a tech tray of tea and lemon drizzle cake. So after tea and cake, which calms the potential education, they sit down and watch the second

half. Terry showed out of a seat, I take it. Yes, yeah. Um, classified somewhat by lemon drizzle, Terry reluctantly sat to stick with it and watch the second episode. Again, as the film ran, I found my attention was about 20% on the screen and 80% on Terry. He still didn't look happy. His arms were so wrapped tightly around himself as chin low. At the end, after the credits enrolled, the room fell silent. I was worried. Surely the only the entry of Lynn and another lemon Drizzle cake could save us now, although that seemed unlikely. Terry got up slowly, walked over to Rod and hugged him.

Oh, if I'd known the ending could be like that, Terry said, I'd have written a better book. Well, yes. I'm glad I read that clip bit from Rob's book after I had watched it and taken notes, because otherwise I think I would have been looking for what Terry didn't like and what he did. Yes, I had, yeah. Yeah, same. Yeah, I have my own thoughts, but not influenced by that passage, so that's okay. Yeah, overall, it's not the most accurate of the adaptations, but I think it's the most fun to watch. It's the most enjoyable as a thing in its own right.

Definitely, yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about the casting characters. Okay, yes. We'll start with the obvious. Moist one, Litvig, played by Richard Coil. Wonderful, yeah, I thought. I love this casting. I think looks wise he's got that really solid mix of like charming

and handsome but also can be like man in the street unforgettable. I feel mean saying that about him. For those of those people who can turn off the expression. Yes. Yeah. He's incredibly good at making thoughts like race across his face that you can see him forming plans. Micro expressions, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was really well done. I like Richard Kuhl, he's not in enough stuff.

He was really fun and chilling adventures of Sabrina, as all the founts to Splac would. Sure. Now he's great. I liked his big arm gestures as well, whenever he was doing public speaking stuff. I think he really put his energy in it. I do think they made him a lot harsher at the beginning, especially like he's not trying to be charming immediately. So, when he meets Stanley and Grope and goes to the post office for the first time. Yeah, which maybe isn't that realistic because it's always fun that Fergus charming by default. Yeah, like that's it probably be more of a choice not to be.

Exactly, and it's very he's at the end of his rope. Yeah, his moments with a dora, it plays more on the genuine romance and less on the performative, so things being less public, like him asking her out to dinner or be in proposing, which would bug me, but I really like it when a romantic moment happens, while two people are dangling on a rope like near their death. I'm into that. That bit was good. Didn't care for most of the romance, though. Yeah, so Adora Beldeerhub, played by Claire Foy. Mm. Play by Claire Foy. Stunner. Stunning. I love her. But there is, when she's doing aggressive and she gets a bit one dimensional in bits of this, she does this kind of chin-jussing head bobbing thing.

Whenever she's angry, she sort of... Okay, okay. Perfect. Demonstration for audio that I find irritating. Okay, I didn't know I'm very glad I didn't tell me that till now. I really like her apart from that. I like the chemistry between her and Moist, you know, there's an enemies to love this thing, but there is, but they just dragged out the enemies, like past all realism. Like, I feel like one of the things I really liked about the book I feel like one of the things I really liked about the book, when it came to that relationship, was that he didn't have them at odds the whole time.

No, and I feel like the film really did. Maybe that's just more traditional filmy way of doing it. Yeah, I think it had a hint of that kind of, like I said, bit enemies love us bit of that screwball comedy. Yeah. I'm getting along with each other thing. Yeah, and that's not something I love. I see where it's for me that's a very favorite tropey thing

because I'm sort of raised on like a white screwball comedy. And I hated the dancing. Oh, I hated the dancing. Like, she's so against it and he's literally picking up and dragging around. Yeah, I'd not a fan. And it was a really touching moment in the work and they just made it gross and grim.

Yeah, like they could have thought he was mercury dancing in the flushing light of the flame and she was, you know, with him. With the force of it. Yeah. Not getting kind of grabbed and thrown about. I think the cringy, I feel like I'm being really mean because I do actually like her casting and I like what they did at all. Oh, I thought she was great. I hated that scene and

I didn't like the fact that antagonism was drawn out. Yeah. The horse-taming scene is one of the cringest things I've ever seen on screen. I see I was going to ask whether you were into that. I like Stern Brunette. I have a very specific type. Mary Poppins was a formative film for me. But this was just over the top. I just, I feel like there's a time and place for the phrase naughty boy and this wasn't it. As true. Was it a Chris, no, it wasn't a Christmas movie said it was released in May? Yeah. It's got Christmas movie vibes with that over the topness. It does. I think that's just sort of what mob did with the Discord things and I don't hate it. But yeah, I thought that was a bit cringe. I love that choosing cigarettes over troc

look gets presented as this horrific tragedy. Yeah. Oh, and I hate the one that she gave up. Yeah, I can't remember her final answer. Oh, she's in this red dress, but it's still got like a black trim and she's got her hair down a bit. And I was like, if you're trying to do a contrast between the very stern black outfit, she was wearing don't dress up like a teenage goth wants to dress. She's in the back. I mean, I kind of, I love it on Claire for you.

Like I think she looks gorgeous. I just don't like the outfit. Yeah, for that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Alphids I do like, whatever they put a vestinarian for this whole thing, this kind of weird suit slash casak situation.

This is Charles Dance playing law vestinari. I think it'd be hard to dress Charles Dance off in something you didn't look dignified in, but this helped. Yeah, he's just, he's really hot. I think if you dress Charles dance in like a mascot costume and he would still look dignified. Yeah, I don't think he could not look dignified. Yeah.

On the one hand, Charles dance is kind of really perfect casting as veterinary. On the other hand, I'm uncomfortable with how much this makes me attracted to veterinary. I'm comfortable with it. I've accepted this part about myself. All right, fine. I accept you know, you know, me in the problematic benevolent tyrants. I don't mean I'm attracted to problematics benevolent tyrants. It's just I don't fancy book veterinary the way I feel about Charles dance as veterinary. Oh, well, again, Charles Dance, yeah. No, can't be helped.

Charles Dance managed to make me fancy Lord Mountbatten. Man can't be stopped. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was the thing that happened. He wore a jumper. Well, yeah, that's what I expected. Yeah, it's the man who asked me to ask him on this. It's inevitable as jam as they say.

I'm never letting this go. Me neither. Drom not played by Steve Pemberton, who I love. This is one of the castings and character things where I think it's a very different flavor of the character from the one we get in the books, but it's so much, I don't mind, I love it. Exactly, yeah. I think it was, he's not a big enough character for it to matter that they

really shifted him and they made him really good for the situation. Yeah. I can't put into words exactly how he shifts because I can see Drum not saying all those lines and a lot of it is from the book that's just something slightly... It's different. It's different. Yeah. It's a bit more in control and enjoying it more visually. Yeah, the book has in control and yeah enjoying it more visually. Yeah, the book has descriptions of how worried drama that looks at certain points in that. Like, yeah, it is, I think different. Yeah.

And I just love steam permitting doing stuff. I think it's always fun. Yeah, here's what is really great cast, isn't it? What a great cast. It's something I've got. Richard Gill, David Sushay. Hall of a choice. Like, Hall of a choice. Like, that man can pull off some odd facial hair. This is the villain that really, this is the villain that Tim Curry should have played, not Triman, because he was completely wrong for Triman. But I don't mind that it's not Tim Curry.

I love David Sushay doing this. David Sushay did very well that you're right. Tim Curry would have been great fun in this part. And I can't help but imagine Tim Curry, kind of long john silver, Muppets treasure island, Tim Curry when I'm reading the book. Yeah, just that real unhinged especially when with the beating to death of the assistant and the yeah. But this is so camp and over the top and hammy

and not in a annoying, you know, gurning David Jason, why you just need to be ridiculously fun. Yeah, he's a lot more like aggressively rude to that and Ari, I think. Yeah, they they they've kind of lined a lot of that corporate stuff and as a result, he's just a lot more directly antagonistic, but I think that's really fun on screen. Yeah. There's a great line delivery, how dare the gods go against me, I don't recall giving them permission. And this is after Moiske's The Only Human Temple Ethel, that was fantastic. And when he's facing off against Vestinari but they've cast incredibly tall Charles Dance's Vestinari so you get the great tiptoes moment.

There should be more of those in general I think. More tiptoes moments just in the long and great tiptoes. Yeah, furious tiptoes not through the two lips. Furious tiptoes the name of my very unsuccessful dance group. And my drag name. of my very unsuccessful dance group. And my drag name. If you tried performing on the same night, that was the problem. Yeah, the spelling was really confusing. I rate peruettes, fellow show. Anyway.

If I rate peruettes. Crispin Hall's Friday. Now this was a big change, obviously. Yes. And I'm guessing it big change, obviously. Yes. And I'm guessing it's mainly for exposition reasons. Yeah, there's a combination of very handy exposition sponge. As you know, Crispin Hall's fry, my father, the king. And also again, because they've streamed down

the corporate nonsense. So he's a different flavor of, he's a different flavor of character like Drumnought. I think he's more sympathetic in this than he is in the book. He gets a bit of Drumnought. He does. He's got the really like, inleycapped accounts book. I could see him organising paper clips. Yeah, which I don't think, I don't think any of reach has, I don't think any of reach has, uh, posse, like had none of the named ones had that rolled at they. And in the book, Christmas, keeping those accounts on purpose

is blackmail material, whereas in this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this stupid. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that made a more sympathetic, I thought it was it was interesting. This is sorry, Matt Avshama, who plays him, by the way.

I'm trying to get him to name him. And I'd say, he had completely his own character, really. Like, I don't think there was much of but Crispin horse fry. No, and him. But I thought he made a really good foil for this rich girl. Yeah, definitely, yeah. And Gabe, I think having someone who is less malicious and more stupid, like Gabe, more contrast to the rich girl for character. Yeah, and it never seemed very, as you know, Bob, to me. It's just noticeable because we've just read the book.

Yeah, I mean, I have to say this was a lot less expositional than like the Hogfather thing was. There is not a lot of, as you know, the unseen university. Yeah, but I think that's because the letter helped a lot with it. Yes, it really did. Mr. Pump. Yeah, a very emotionally open golem from the start, I'd say. Yeah, this is voiced by Nicholas Farrell and

Marnick's Vandenbroke, who's quite a known stunt performer, played the body. There's a nice use of practical effects as well as some CGI in there, which I think it doesn't look dated. Oh, we should look for a behind the scenes thing. There wasn't anything on the DVD. There's a little introduction from Terry Pratchy,

which is a nice watch. He tells a nice anecdote about, because he has this little cameo at the end, nice anecdote about how he kept flubbing his line up with Charles Dunes. And then sort of said to Charles Dunes, oh well, when you need to write a book, I'll show you how it's done. Oh, defensive. Oh, defensive. Yeah, I really like how they did Mr. Pum and this. I thought the look was really perfect. The kind of patchwork and a bit scruffy around the edges. Yeah, he's a working golem.

Yeah. He's not like, and it doesn't look like a sad lump and statue. It looks alive. Yeah, it looks like living clay. I thought it was really well done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you could tell though as practical effects, not just EDI all the way down. Yes. And that brings me a lot of delis. There's nothing wrong with using CDI, but I think when you have that mixed-particle effect in there, yeah, definitely at age better. This can make better. I just like the way it looks better generally. And that might just be a case of maybe in 10 years, CGI will have that same impact on me,

but at the moment, not quite there. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. He gets some of his existing lines still, he gets that this is better. And I thought that was really nicely delivered. Yeah. I love how he plays Keeferd a little bit

between Moist and the Dora. Yeah. It was interesting having him stand up for Moist Fun that they two had Dora. Like the idea of him volunteering despite being on duty, I'm not sure completely tracks with like Go of Law, but I liked it. Yeah, I think it works. I mean, you see things like moist running to stowl out and realizing that he could leave the city if it was on post office business, that sort of. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Um, I, and I really like the moment when he catches moist at the end, it's, it's a very like

platonically romantic moment. Yeah. Yeah. And I love moments like that in stories. Me too. Uh, yeah. And I love moments like that in stories. Me too. Groot. Groot. Senior placement. Not very revolting. Yeah, this is Andrew Sacks. Many well as there's one known as Manuel. So iconic. I didn't tons of iconic British actors as always. Yeah, they just called up the usual little black bird, don't they? Yeah, we need some old white men from England. Handily, this large box of old white men. A couple of attractive brooners, yet no, I've got to hear them as well. Well, I love you, my both handy. Got them. No, I like him as great though. Yeah, they cut all the ailments and the grossness, but I don't mind. I don't think you can get that across on screen anywhere near as effectively as you can in writing. No, no, not while at the same time preserving

that real like emotional punch you need to get from the the old man who's been at the post office for ever being attacked by the saying and you know I think I don't I talk about this on the podcast for a long time ago but yeah sure fire away to get me going, is there have like an old man being hurt in some way? Yeah, in a show. No, I'm with you on that now. His perfect, like, constant says the song in our of it, very sad gentle. I really, really like that. And Stanley played by Ian Ban. Fantastic. Fantastic.

I would say stand out performance for me. That wide eyed always lead to the left not making eye contact still was so good. Absolutely brilliant. I do miss the raised by P's bit of his backstory. He kind of gets great backstory instead. Yeah, but on the other hand, I think outside of a Disque World context, that might just not land. Yeah, and I know we're in a Disque World context, but it's a very different Disque World context. I can imagine watching it with a non-disque World reason. I'm going, what did he say?

Praise for, but what does that mean? But it is just one of my favourite lines and the book is one of the funniest sentences I've ever read. Yeah, absolutely. Praise for, yeah. Praise for, by Peace. But I like the detail of him being the one who chooses to sentences I've ever read. Yeah, absolutely. I'm raised by peace. But I like the detail of him being the one who chooses to perforate the stamps.

Yes. Yeah. He has the idea, and it's his pin paper. More hole-and-paper. But yeah, just everything about his weird intensity, it's fantastic. Yeah, yeah. It's brilliant.

And the head of pins. Taster. Yeah, yeah, it's brilliant. And the head head pins. Another, this is not mine, but I like it. Sack of Risse Cryptslock played by Tams and Greg. I'm very, very entrusted. I love Tams and Greg. I love her, and I love this version of Sack of Rryptalog. It just doesn't feel like my Sakura's Acryptalog, who I also love. I know we generally throw away from fan casting, but Toppy Head, can you think of someone who more fits that

role? Oh, no, because I've now forgotten the name of literally every single act, just a very unfair of me to put you on spot like that. If you can think of one as we go, just butt in whenever I will throw one in at some point. I don't know, the thing is, like I said, I like her, I like what they do with the character in this. I like that she's a little bit more in there with moist, like, a little bit within his confidence. But I can't see the saccharissa from say the truth acting like that. I feel like she's a little bit more closed off from her subjects. True. Yeah, she's slightly more tabloidy here, isn't she? I don't know if I say that not in an insulting way. I mean, it's fun. Obviously, you know,

Tam's engraved my favorite. She's been in so many things that I deeply love. I'd love to see her in that adaptation of the truth, actually. I'd love to see the truth made in the style by these people. I would love an adaptation of the truth, actually. I'd love to see the truth made in the style by these people. I would love an adaptation of the truth. I can only think of Matthew Bainton playing William DeWord, since he did the audio book. Not one I can think of. Wouldn't that be just so funny?

I'm in love at the thought, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it wouldn't be going with the physical description in the book because that's such a specific physical description in the book, but Charlotte Richie, who's in ghosts with them. Oh yeah, I know. I think she would be fun as saccharissa. I love her. I can see her playing like the proper lady bit. There's a girl, she's 40 something. I'm I'm Tech Talk, who reminds me very slightly of Charlotte Richie, crossed with Alexis from Shits Creek.

I've got the actress's name. Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, but she explains Tech Talk drama, and it's my absolute favorite series at the moment. I'll send you a link after it. Okay, a lot of her. So good, you're a lover.

Yeah, she's so pretty. Where are we now? So, Gryl. Right. Oh, Yeah. I have a question. Why is the banshee so wet? I have a why is the point? quieter. Why is the banshee I'm just getting away from my microphone? Why is the banshee so wet, Francine? Why have they just dropped the banshee? So you can't catch him.

It just, you're trying to grab me a slip away like a piglet. It would never recur to me to put Loub on a banshee. And clearly I don't have the creative mission, more production. You would think he'd be as plammable if he was, really. I just, I think Adrian Schiller is doing great here. It's a very fun like silly. I didn't know who it was. He's not for art.

He's a hammer-horror vampire. Yeah, he is. And I think it's great. I think the look is great. I think the performance is great. It's a fun villain. He just also looks like he's covered in lube and I don't like it. I didn't love it so much. I didn't love this as much as

my sister the character's and not because of the performance, just the kind of the unnecessary exposition, the exposition a bit would just look at. Yeah. A dramatic way that doesn't fit within a sass-in character to me? Yeah, it's kind of repetitive, but then I suppose you're missing how the actual death of the mansion happens in the book and so you're getting it so you want to spell things out a bit. That is not a mystery being teased out in the way it is in book form. No, and not everyone's just red man lies the book.

Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't too off-putting to me, but as I was watching it, I was like, no, shush. I just couldn't not think about the loop. Wet and dramatic. There's that. I've been described that way many times. Anyway, Rid Cully. Good. Ridgully, played by Timothy West, again, infamous British white dude. Good pompous, pomposity, good pomposity. Do you think it was a bit of a shame they didn't have the same actor that they had from Hogfather, just because it would have been a nice little continuity thing?

Yeah. Which was Joe Sacklum, but I thought Timothy West was great. He's so good at playing that pompous, that ridiculous. Yeah. Um, which was Joe Sacklum, but I thought Timothy West was great. He's so good at playing that, that pompous, that ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he's antagonism with veterinary over the onus scope again. It was a change from the book, but it's a fun one. Yeah, I've bounced off each other quite well. Yeah. The slightly different relationships than the two of them in. I mean, you kind of, you put two incredible like vets or announcers like that in a room together. You want to give them something fun to do. Yeah. Yeah. incredible like vets or announcers like that in a room together you want to give them something fun to do.

And then he gets to do it again a bit with Steve Femberton when they're setting up the underscoring in the square. And then we have Dave, Dave of Dave's pinniporum. I love everything about how they did Dave's pinn important it's it's so well done it looks exactly how I imagine it. It's the second I the must have been some consulting or the designers and the directors will ever went to the same kind of second hand bookshops

as fractured and yeah, it felt immediately like exactly that place exactly that person behind the counter. Yeah, reminding me of this weird little um, these collect collective shop I went to be Malta, which I guess kind of makes sense. The kind of same kind of old buildings around things.

Yeah, yeah. And style for yeah, yeah. His delivery of to be fair, they're mostly holding pins was a particular highlight. It was just very nicely delivered. this. We might do nails, get kitties in here. And then you got real like he did the offense at Stanley, like getting a girlfriend very well. Not a girl, Stanley. Poor Dave, he's probably lost a lot of customers to, you know, feminine wiles. Howling about the place.

I just doesn't get it. I've got a hard shot full of pins. I'll pick more, more do you want? More pins than a loob-jop banshee. Jesus. Right, I don't know how you get he said. It didn't, but it's going to live in my head for the rest of my life. Angua played by Ingrid Bulso Burtle. I'm sorry I didn't check how that was pronounced. by Ingrid Bulso-Buddle. I'm sorry I didn't check how that was pronounced. Again, another, this isn't in any way the character from the books, also ranked as not really in the book, but I thought this was a nice little conceit as a way to get moist to and from veterinary multiple times. Yeah, well, little fast travel characters. Yeah, rather than because you can't just

have him do something and then have a sometime pass next chapter. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no exactly. I mean, considering we spent some time talking about that in the book, didn't we? About the how cleverly it was down, it was like, and we're blacking out. Yes. And this didn't do the fate of blacks. It showed how we got there. It showed who got him there. Yeah. So she was fun and antagonistic, but yeah, the kind of weird like always looks a bit not human. I didn't love so much. No, but again, it's just falling out, isn't it?

It is. It's very blatant. Mr. Pony, maybe John Henshaw. Pretty well, I thought. I loved him. Again, they kind of simplify the story a little bit. They make princesses nice and don't go into the sort of back stories of the Clack's tower as much.

Yeah. I like his moment with Adora. Yes, and it makes sense. It makes real sense with all everyone's backstories. Yeah, that he would have worked with a father and he wouldn't have known her. I thought that was a really nice emotional moment to add in. And the Smoking Blue, Mad Al played by Ben Crompton, St Alex as you can. And I couldn't find a credit for the third one. Yeah, and I did a lot of rummaging. Sassy saying, but yeah, pretty, he's real.

I was staring at Mad Al going, I know him, I've seen him in something, I know him, I've seen him in something, what's seen him in, he was in Game of Thrones. He was one of the night's watch boys. If anyone can find the third credit answers on a long abandoned envelope please. Thank you. St. John the edges. Preferably. But yeah, I thought they were fun, I thought all their stuff was well done, I like that we got a lot

of their bickering in the background. Yeah. It was just another like, made the world feel richer. And the praying moment when they appeared was quite fun. It was a nice little build up and sad. That's very practical. And a nice like from the book thing. Yeah. And yes, as I already mentioned at the very end, we have the postman, a cameo from Terry Pratchett.

Yay. Dropping the letter into the dark tunnel and saying that's a bit of an imbuggerance. Done. That was a very sweet moment that did not give me an motion at all because as I said I don't have any of those scheduled until the 28th. Very funny to know you kept fucking that elf in front of Charles Dunn's though. I mean I would fuck off if I had to do you can't lie in front of me. Yeah you can't put me in front of Charles Dahlt, or simply stop. I can't say a full sentence at the best of times, and I do podcasts.

Yeah, no, between us, we almost make not a functioning, anything. Right, so the bigger topics, a lot of choices make to streamline the story, which is something I was like looking at in adaptations. Didn't like sign, didn't like they shouldn't assign what? Yeah, I mean I feel so much of it is just to fill a camera. No, it doesn't make sense. It's a shame for the rest of it, neither rain nor snow nor glum of net. But yeah, the lumb of net will not. Yeah, gloom of night will not know it needed. Why would anyone assume it would? That was a bad streamlining joke. Yeah, gloom of life will not know it needed. Why would anyone assume it would? That was a bad streamlining joke. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, that's bad. I like that the corporate nonsense to scale back. Not that I don't like the corporate nonsense stuff in the book, I think it's really well written and really well done. It would have

been so dull and wordy on screen though. Yes. Whereas instead we get the sort of ridiculous marketing thing with guilt like dancing along with his parade and his mobile collect tower. Yes, yes, that was very silly and good. And he was more kind of up front right away with his nefarious. Yeah, there's zero sassal tea. There's no board of directors to start. I mean, there's no sassal tea in the book. You know, he advertised himself as a villain. That's the point.

Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, to the public, he does a better job, I'd say at the start. Yes, but from Harry's just like, As long as dancing girls, dancing girls dancing girls a tower Don't worry about it. I Really enjoyed that scene just David sushi doing it's little dance with this game Right only the sword can each

We do need a sword can each Listen as if you'd like to give us a late hogs watch gift Then the sword. That seems wrong. You name your atrocists. Now, but, atrocities are generally licensed. Carri Saud came, God, I'm talking about looks. We lose a lot of the post office backstory. Yes.

Which again, I'm okay with, because I don't think you can express the horrors of BS Johnson on screen. That's true. And that's so integral to the backstory. Yeah, no, that would have been a weird little sci-fi element if you put it in a film. Yeah, like the, the, the, the post sorting machine. And it's very, it's a very specific, the backstory is very specifically reminiscent of the British post office, I would say, even though it's obviously massively caricatured. And I'm guessing this was, you know, scut. I don't know if it ever went to

an international audience, but it did air internationally, but it was mostly British. This is part of a huge, I should mention that the entire part of a huge investment sky we're doing in new drama at that point. I think this is like 2010. You were in the first decade of sky being on the air. Is that true? Yeah, launched. Oh no, maybe it did launch late 1990s. I thought it was late 1990s, yeah.

It was late 90s if it was 90s. You were in the first 15 years of it being on the air. It's newish. Yeah, it's still relatively new. For exact date, it's seen my book, which is now yet, but it will be eventually. Adora's backstory gets simplified, and I think that was a good choice. It's tied more directly into Moist's run, it's sort of being the two backstories, one of her losing the job at the bank because of Moist, and then also her father losing the

clocks because of Reacher. So that all becomes. Yeah. What's that John Deat Harder spy in the book? No, that was a weird addition that I don't think needed to be there. I don't think it did anything for the story. I don't think it changed anyone's motivation. I don't think Reacher had enough motivation to kill him without the spy detail. Investing Ari wasn't invested in getting into the Claks company, he was invested in adding competition. Yeah. And doing it in an oversight way, not in a sneaking in from the middle.

He probably did have dark claks or something, but a Claks worker spy was not his vibe. Yeah, official. Yeah, so it wasn't a big fan of that. I thought the pacing was interesting because we talked a lot when we talked about the book about how like rapid flying the book is and I think the opening of this isn't quite that it's a bit slow to get going. Once you hit him doing his speech outside the post office, you can't see a little clacks with a kiss. You can't put a... I think from there, it kick starts thing and it starts getting the face of the book, but I think it took a minute to get

going. Yeah, and it didn't have a lot of the horror elements were after that point, and I think I might be remembering wrong, but I feel like in the book there was a lot of suspense in that intro bit before things really heated up, you know? Yeah. A lot of the teasers of the mystery. Yeah. I mean, I do think the horror elements on screen are good. You can kind of tell this isn't being made as a Christmas one.

It's slightly less aimed at families. It's not graphic by any means, but it is slightly more. You know, show a side. It shows a suicide. It shows where it doesn't show, but the someone getting beaten to death isn't subtle. Like that's happening just off screen. And I, do you know what?

It did because I'm watching it at Christmas obviously. It did kind of, I was thinking, oh, ghost of Christmas past kind of vibe because I think we talked about the horror elements a lot in the book a bit obviously, but this to me felt ghost story-ish in a way that it hadn't in book format. Yeah, I really love the, this canit of the silent movies as a way to make moist like confront his redemption. I thought that was really fantastically done. Yeah, I mean, you mean that kind of goes to Christmas past. Yeah. It was kind of harder to not harder, but it's a lot more explicit about the bad things that happened as a result of moistness.

Yeah, it wasn't just a number that pump came up with. I know a couple sentences. I think that's because once the letter is done, and I like the letter as a conceit, I like the idea of we need some exposition in this first half, we need some exploration, and rather than just having him be a voiceover, he's doing a voiceover for a reason and the reveal at the end that it's a lettuce, walsadora gives you this. So hint of unreliable narrator in that. But yeah, I think it's a you don't because you don't have his internal monologue, you need to see him wanting redemption and confronting what he's done somehow and I think

that's a good way to do it. Yeah. Rather than just he thinks about things a bit. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It worked. Yeah. I'm just creepy.

The burning of the post office is I think one of the things where we get a lot of changes. Yeah. I thought I thought it was kind of ironic that there's no cap to save, considering, and I talked about this in going postal like the save the cat being a famous like screenwriting thing. Oh, yeah. So I don't think it's a bad thing that there was no cat. Like obviously that makes me think that's the cat. No, Stanley was the cat.

Stanley was the cat. But there's a physical cat. They take out obviously the whole thing with Angamarad and the Golemfire brigade, which is fine because I think if they had done Angamarad and given him those lines on screen, I probably would have cried. Yeah. It makes me very emotional in the book, specifically when the old postman would say it would be an honour to work with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that whole bit was gone, wasn't it?

The trial... Yeah, I kind of missed the gauntlet. I thought that would have been fun. That would have been fun. I can understand why they didn't, but it would have been fun. I also miss Miss McAllaria. Yeah, that was an old one to leave out. That would have been a fun, fairly easy character, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I think, again, it streamlines it. You don't have people coming in and you're thinking about, because you don't see a lot of the post, you get like maybe two scenes of the post office working. Yes, yeah. It's so much about getting the post office to work and a lot of it's like montage that I think it would be a lot to shoot

when a character info, but be the extra public scenes. That's true, that's true. Yeah, even the post venue get like the old guard turning up and that's pretty much yeah Yeah, and yeah the rest of the gollums get their beautiful mstamp and that's mostly there for the Anoyer not the Anoyer. Sorry. I have that name in front of me. I was about to mention her the Adora antagonism

Yeah, the fact that the donate the priestly praying to get the money is all off-ler Hmm, and it misses the annoyance stuff. Again, it makes perfect sense to streamline it, but I missed having an annoyer there. Yeah. Yeah. Especially because it would have been fun if they'd done something like they have her manifest and it's just clear for you in a different outfit. That would have been funny. Yeah. That's what I would have done. Well, there you go. You should write in. So you know this thing you made 13 years ago. Well I've got

this idea right, I guess what you do, you get clairvoy and you give her an outfit. You put her in a car. And then you just put her in a car, you draw her hand or a cigarette. Perfect. How the fuck are you and how did you get in it? I don't know about it. But yeah, the visuals of this are stunning. I think it's great. There's so much detail. Yes. Yeah, they've done the nice, I think a lot of the fan Easter Egg stuff is within the detail.

Yeah. They've left out an oyer, they've left out some of the other disc-wieldy, like the peas thing, whatever, but they have made it feel very disquelled. They have, I think the look of it was perfect. They've upgraded in the little intro that Terry Pratchett did. He mentions like the disquelled book start with the color of magic and ink will put us kind of this quasi-medieval thing and by going post it's become more Victorian and I think there's a good sense of

it looks Victorian, not medieval, but it feels like it could be the same city that was in the colour of magic. Yeah. Let's grown up and you know a few hundred years have passed. Yeah. The inic thunkery of the clacks I think is really nice. Yeah. Oh yeah.

That it looked very satisfying. Yeah. I want to go and poke this. I really like the palace because it's like it's beautiful, all this beautiful stone, but it's run down and there's pantages of damp on the walls. And I'm assuming a lot of that is just they were probably filming in some beautiful building that had lots of patches of damp on the walls, but it looks like it could be the palace from color of magic about hundreds of years later. Is that same kind of idea again? Yeah, and that now has got better things to do.

Yeah, and it's going to throw people off of it. Yeah, and anyway, if you have a bottomless pit like that, really lights them the damper. Yeah, no, they really do. Get a D human a fire for your bottomless pit, advice from the true shot. I said it once, I've said it a hundred times. And I've done neither. And the polls of lesser in the post office look great as well. Yeah. I like the way the newspapers are incorporated right from like the opening minutes of it. That's just a nice

very thorough look. Here's a paper stand. Newspapers exist in this world. They are sold. They are part of the story. Yep. Easy. Done. And you just accept that yes,

Newspapers and their for printing are a part of this world. Don't worry about it. That makes a much sense as anything else at this point, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. I mean, well, you've got to have this in your congress. No, it doesn't. I just like that they're really present as a detail.

Yeah, definitely. Well, I also have, oh, yeah, on the horror front, one I really loved was the reigning ink in the bathtub scene before you get the male side. Oh, yeah, oh, that was very tripophobia, wasn't it? Yeah, and also that kind of invokes like psycho, the blood going down the shower drain. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get that kind of invokes like psycho, the blood going down the shower drain. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you get that kind of raining in, can then it get heavier and heavier, and then the letters everywhere flying through the thing. Yeah, I thought that was incredibly well done. That was nice. Yeah, considering a lot of it's very special of acting. Yes, it doesn't. Like my problem with a lot of fantasy stuff,

as we've talked about, is that it looks corny unless you spend so much money on it, but I think they found a really good, like, minimal way of doing it, but didn't. Yeah, it didn't look. The only thing I think thought looked cheesy was when Gryall gets burnt to death by the certain investors. Yeah, I thought that was a bit early Harry Potter-y. Yeah.

Yeah. A couple of other criticisms. I don't like that the third board wasn't octagonal. Yes, it's just such a minor thing. And the third game existed by this point and I just think it would have been really nice if they'd use that game. And I don't understand. Yes, that moudly bugged me. And the hat and the suit aren't gold enough to me. No, I don't understand why not. Why did you come to me? I get the hat looking grubby to start with,

because it's been buried under piles of stuff. But polishing the hat off and getting a really shiny suit, I think, because I keep referring to it, as are you glowing, you look like a little sunbeam. But it doesn't. It looks like it's got this like patina over it. It looks nice. I like the aesthetic, it looks like it's got this like patina over it. It looks nice. I like the aesthetic, but it's not the gold suit. The cost we didn't have any of the like, I am the avatar of the the winged. Yeah, we don't have a hava's gold. Yeah, if they had,

I think you could have, thank you, you could have given him like a flash of gold in the eyes, which I think would have been really cool. Is that you partly thinking that because we just read Winter Smith and you get the flashes of gold and in people's eyes and some a lady during the dance at the end? No, I came up with that entirely on my own. Oh, okay. No, that was definitely that subconsciously. It's just a very practical thing. The eyes of the eyes of the god you can see. Yeah.

No, I agree. I think that would have been a really cool assassin. Don't mind it. Yeah. Um, I'll say like I said, and it's a good adaptation, it's imperfect and I think that makes for a better watch. Yeah, no, I enjoyed it. Um, I'm not cross that you made me watch this one. I am glad. I really like the, the competition, the montage and the way that escalates things. Yes. Is one of the things I really noticed. It improved things, it moved things faster because obviously I was thinking back on what Jack Pratchett liked about the second half. I was seeing he couldn't put a montage in his book in the same way.

No, but it was an able the nice momentum builder. Yeah, and then the stakes and the yeah. Yeah, and then the stakes really get raised when the hanging threat is added to the final competition. And I think it's a good visual having this extra threat. You know, Moist doesn't just stand to lose the post office. He very much says these everything. So you have him standing there with a new surround his neck. Yeah.

And with a forgotten to write down the actor, but the guy who played the execution, it was great. He was so fun. Yeah. And exactly how I had a character. Right. Very nice. But yeah, having the omniscope in the Clack's office and the post office right up to each other, having the yellow.

Just one point. Yeah. I thought that was a nice compact. But yeah, having the omniscope in the Clack's office and the post office right up to each other having the galo there. Yeah. I thought that was all nice and compact. Yeah, I thought it was a really excellent stake razor for the final minutes of it. Yes. Any other thoughts? Not really. Now I think we've covered everything that I heard. My one real rant was about the sign not being right, so.

And I see your point and I agree with you. I respect that rant. You can rant about the sign and I'll rant about the suit. And I'll be in Scotland for you. As it's Hubswatch, Francine. have you got an obscure reference for Neil for us? I have. It's not so much a reference feel as just a related fun fact because I can be bothered to scour the bloody thing for references. But did you know that Anthony Trollop, the novelist, was the one who introduced letter boxes like teleboxes to the UK? I really? Yes, really. So he was a surveyor's clerk for the post office and he travelled in Europe quite a lot and he probably saw these roadside letterboxes in Europe and like Belgium and France and he brought in Europe quite a lot, and he probably saw these roadside letterboxes in Europe in Belgium and France,

and he brought back the idea, and they traveled them on the Channel Islands, and so the first ones were on Jersey, and then there were a couple more on Guernsey, and then it was such a success that the pillowboxes started appearing on the British mainland from 1853. Amazing. I'll link for a really fun article about the whole thing, like the history of Pellaboxes.

Amazing. HostelmeasyM.org. A very good website. Right. I think that's what we're going to say about the going postal TV and other people. Trans scene. Right, it's a light. You are a delight. We'll be back. Somers, I said we don't have a schedule ready for next year yet because I'm scared. What I can tell you is that the current plan is for us to take January off, burying a couple of bonus episodes. I know we normally just take a month, the year off in the summer, but we're

very, very tired guys. It's been a cut, yeah. It's been a year. And immediately after all the day this year, we went into some very intense good home and coverage. So yeah, we're going to take a month off. We're hitting the end of the run now, there's no need to sprint it. Oh no, I'm driving. I think that was a bad metaphor, because I think you do sprint the end of it long-running you. Yeah, I don't know. Do I look like I've ever done a long run in my life, Francine? I mean, not there was a long run, okay fine. Yeah. I watched the Olympics once. I was in the room while the Olympics was open. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, so we're taking next month off. So we'll officially be back in February with a book from the disc world.

Good. To keep an eye on you next. Yeah, whatever's coming next to keep an eye and actually find out what we're doing. Are there various ways you can go about this? You can join our discord link down below. Can't answer. You can go about this. You can join our discord link down below. Can I share it? You can. Full of some Instagram pictures. Yeah, no, our discord is so great. I love all of you guys. Hi. Hi people. Hi people. Right, sorry.

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fret, we need to change your hard end pennies for all sorts of bonus bollocks. We're going to go to patreon.com for the Stratutia Meki Fratt. We need to change your hard-earned pennies for all sorts of bonus bollocks. We've upgraded from nonsense. Well it's Christmas and for the last time this year, Dear listener, don't let us entertain you. And Dear listeners, as an extra special treat for you, we're going to let Joanna play us out with a winter-smith adjacent bit of music. Holders high in, ice as a star to snow. Snow had fallen, snow won't snow. Damven straight, if snow. In the bleak, the winds are smith from long ago. The dance it could not hold him, not when you One bright name's flee away when he comes to reign.

In the bleak red wind up he's touched for his new wife. She who danced that with him could wear the crown for life. A silver horse down rushing falls, cannot keep him away. As he searches, I unload just to find a way To make a man to find a way to become more Snow and frozen days, and all he was before. So he came and snow fell lungs, breathed his eyes, yeah. So she came before him, that she stood amidst. Balanced we in the frost and flame, the witch gave him a kiss.

And now she will weep for him, who wished to be a man. Now the snow's amounting spring has come for lands. In the bleak midwinter, all have done's that part. even him the winter smith with iron for a heart.