The Unmade Podcast - 112: The Truth About Spoons

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

Tim and Brady discuss more crumpets, more dash cam news, England and English-ness, a spoon exclusive, the biggest-known moon, tennis talk, and the shot of the century. Go to Storyblocks for stock video, pictures and audio at storyblocks.com/unmade - https://www.storyblocks.com/unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/uu9aam Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://youtu.be/Aw-Fkyqf46k USEFUL LINKS Brady makes a video about crumpets - https://youtu.be/Lqlo4YWX2NE Dash Cam Owners Australia Monthly Compilation for April 2022 - go to 10:50 for Courtney and Daniel's near miss - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK3gwbZm-_4 The FULL version of that video is embedded in the YouTube version of this episode - https://youtu.be/Aw-Fkyqf46k England - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England Pictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-week Ganymede images - https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/target/Ganymede Tennis shots a bit like Brady's - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXaEUUUJJ7s

How do I look? You look good. Wow. Yes. Do you know what? I started off, I started on Zoom and I thought, bloody hell, I look good. Like, and I was like really confused, like, because I never look good. And I checked.

And at some point, a box has been checked on my Zoom to like improve my appearance, like to touch up my face. And like, and I thought, well, you know, I'm not the kind of guy that's going to have touch up on my face. But then I thought, well, know i'm not the kind of guy that's gonna have touch up on my face but then i thought well why why wouldn't i i look fabulous somehow i don't know zoom has done it but it's combed your hair you don't have bed hair today no no i have i'm a bit more prepared wet and slick and got my sexy white t-shirt on my tennis body nice yes yes that's good if somewhere through the episode you were just to pull that t-shirt off That'd be fine

I'd be happy with that Even better if you were to tear it off Like just slowly rip it apart from the neck Even better if you didn't use your hands Just flexing your muscles If that was to just like Break it along the seams And it crumbles to the floor

Well, imagine if your idea was so good my shirt just fell off. Parish notices. Yes. I just want to make a quick reference to crumpets, which we discussed before. Yeah. Tim, I believe crumpets are a breakfast food. Tim thinks they're more of, well, you think they're more of an evening food or a... They're a bit too sweet and full on for breakfast, I find.

I want to, yeah. So I've really been taking the temperature of the community and almost everyone I ask in life the last week or so. I would say 75% of people are nominating crumpets as a breakfast food. I would say there's a lot of people who make the joke thinking they're the first person to make the joke that any time is good time for crumpets. And while that is true, you can probably do better on the joke front. But anyway, I would say about 10 to 20% are saying it's like an afternoon tea food. Oh, yeah.

No, I'm up for that. After school, before dinner, that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And about 5, 10% would say it's an evening food. But I want to clarify one thing for our American friends. A crumpet is not the same as an English muffin. No.

They are very different things. But because Americans never even see crumpets, they just see a picture of a round beige thing, maybe not at high resolution. And they think the two are interchangeable, a crumpet is the same as an English muffin. They are very, very different. Oh, yeah. A crumpet is made from like like, batter, almost like a pancake is. An English muffin is made from dough, bread. It's very bready.

The texture of a crumpet is very sort of springy and rubbery, and it has these giant gaping holes all over it. A bit like a sponge, isn't it, really? Sort of the texture of a sponge. Yeah, but with even bigger holes, yeah, and it is very spongy, whereas an English muffin is very bready. The sausage McMuffin at McDonald's, that is an English muffin. That is not what a crumpet is.

And I think a lot of Americans just see the round thing, they don't look closely, and they think we're just confused or we're using funny English words. But a crumpet and an English muffin are very different. The only people who can get away with saying that's not a crumpet are possibly some Welsh people and Scottish people, because then you do start getting all sorts of different names for crumpets like pikelets. And there are a lot of weird name things going on around Britain. Hang on, pikelets are small pancakes. They're not. Yes, but yes, yes, they are. But are, but it is legitimate in some parts of the UK

that the names do change. They just use different names for the same things and stuff. So there is a bit of confusion. But if you're American and you think when we talk about crumpets, we're talking about English muffins, there's a 95% chance you are wrong and you are not understanding what we are talking about. Huge geopolitical implications of this discussion. Oh, I know, I know.

And I know this is, I'm not going to hear the end of this, but I think if you're American and you think a crumper is an English muffin, you are probably thinking of the wrong thing. I'm calling out all Americans. Now's the time to double down and come back at Brady. We want some evidence, long explanations, repeated tweets. I have a long history of my American YouTube friends coming to England and me serving them crumpets at breakfast and them going, oh, this is different to what I thought, and really enjoying the crumpet, but realising they'd never seen one before.

That's only because of the time difference, and for them it is dinner, it's supper, and you're giving it to them at breakfast. Oh, this is, it feels right to them because they haven't, their body clock is out of whack. That would be my scientific explanation for that. Look, I'm not saying once and for all whether a crumpet is a breakfast food or an evening food, that sounds like the jury is out. I feel like I have the high ground. I have the upper hand. But there is differences of opinion. But in terms of what a crumpet actually is, enough of that.

Can I just say, you say the jury is out. You know how the jury, they all have to find the person guilty for them to be guilty. So that they have to be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Which means surely often there's a higher chance that a jury member, things aren't going to go their way. If they believe a person's guilty, not everyone's going to be on board. Or they may not believe the person's guilty, but others go their way. But at least it happened. I don't know if you've ever been part of a jury, but I can imagine if I was on jury duty and like I would never get over it.

Like you'd be thinking about it over and over and over again for life. It could be a very traumatic experience. It could be a very traumatic experience. And there is persuasion involved in jury deliberations. You know, traditionally the judge tells you do an initial vote and see where you all stand and the vote numbers change. There is persuasion and discussion in jury deliberations, I'm led to believe. I've never been part of one.

By the way, not all verdicts require a unanimous verdict, depending on the crime and things like that. Oh, okay, sure. But don't you think, you know how you have an opinion watching a television program and you have an opinion about the news and crime? But if you were actually on the jury, it's like you're – I can't believe you'd ever stop deliberating.

You'd never stop wondering and thinking and it would be very difficult to put aside and continue on in life. Not – I mean, and I'm not talking about crimes even as big as the debate between muffins and crumpets. I'm just talking about the regular crimes that happen in ordinary life. No, you're right. You're right. But I think something a lot of people often get confused about is the difference between doubt and reasonable doubt. You're always going to doubt you made the right decision. There's always a chance they're innocent or a chance they're guilty. Reasonable doubt is very different.

I think people think, well, if you think, oh, there's a chance they're innocent, you are still allowed to find them guilty if it's beyond reasonable doubt. So what you're saying, it's very reasonable to have ordinary doubt, but having reasonable ordinary doubt is not the same as having technical reasonable doubt. That's what you're saying, really, isn't it? I think you've cleared it up there. You're saying you're always going to have doubt. It's reasonable to have doubts, but that's not reasonable doubt.

You're making me doubt what doubt is now. I have another very important parish notice here, Tim. Remember in the last episode, you brought to the table a piece of footage from Dashcam Owners Australia, which is a compilation of near misses and crashes and cars flipping over, caught on Australian dash cam cameras and we had someone spot a near-miss car crash on this clip show there was someone driving along and a car veered onto their side of the road and at the last minute the naughty car veered back and the driver with the dash cam also veered to the left and disaster was narrowly averted but the reason this clip was very special was the unmade podcast was playing in the background when it happened

the whole thing unfolded to the dulcet tones of well me what a soundtrack and we do what we can to either find it, if it's possible, or if not, we'll get something close enough. Oh. A voice to die to. It's not quite Highway to the Danger Zone, but it's quite the soundtrack, yes.

It is, it is. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, we put the call out to try and find out who the driver was. Who was this hero that saved the life of all involved? And, Tim, they've got in touch. No way. Yeah, we've got it. We've got it.

We've got it. Has this been verified? I mean, are you sure this isn't just... Well, yes, it has been verified because they have supplied me with the full three minutes of footage not just the 10 seconds that appeared on dash cam owners australia oh so that's that's verification enough for me and they wrote what i would describe as a long slash meandering letter to us about it uh so i will read i'll read it to you i may edit parts out for brevity but you know the letter comes from the occupants of the car who were Courtney and Daniel.

It turns out they were very recently newlyweds. And the letter was written by Courtney on behalf of both of them. Oh. It says, hi, Brady and Tim. Just shaking it up from the usual Tim and Brady. We are your dash cam owners. We only started listening to the newest episode this afternoon while driving in the car. No almost accidents this time. And while the

crumpet discussion initiated a fun discussion of our own, we were even more interested in your next topic. When the topic of dash cam owners Australia popped up, we quickly turned into hot, sweaty and speechless messes. How we didn't cause an accident is beyond me because we were so genuinely surprised we were excited when our footage made the compilation but we were beside ourselves when it made it to the podcast so seeing as you asked us to reach out we'll give you a bit of a story it was april 10th and we were driving to my, that's Courtney's, parents' house in Seymour, which is in country Victoria. Oh, yes.

Do you know Seymour, Tim? I do, I do. Yeah. Okay. I've got friends that live in Yey, right nearby. Yeah, there you go. It was only the day before this fateful day that my husband, Daniel, and I got married in Healesville.

Oh. You know Healesville too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Healesville Sanctuary. It's beautiful. Animals and everything. Sorry. Tim's got spoons for all these places. Everything that you see in the video is really all that happened. Once we were back at my parents' house, we downloaded the footage from the camera and submitted it to Dashcam Owners Australia almost immediately immediately we showed a few people the footage but didn't discuss it much beyond that i love that they got home and the first thing they did was all right that's going straight to dash cam owners australia anyway golly gosh they say we usually listen to the podcast

whenever we're in the car we'd been saving the episodes for long car trips as we currently live in sydney and would regularly make the episodes for long car trips as we currently live in Sydney and would regularly make the drive to Melbourne. Therefore, we needed something good for the nine hours we spent driving each way. As mentioned in your latest episode, we were listening to episode 103, so we were slowly or quickly catching up.

The footage we have from the dash cam is around three minutes long and then they've supplied a link to it. We'll probably have it on screen, you know, the youtube version of this feel free to use it or not until your hearts are content so we've got a clearance team we've got clearance for that footage uh they should be asking our clearance they used our podcast no that's right well hang on that's right that's they submitted footage featuring our soundtrack yeah Yeah. Gosh. That's it. From now on, I'm watching all dash cam footage YouTube clips

just to see if we're playing in the background. Just to check, get those copyright claims in. The letter continues. If I knew we were going to become unmade famous, then I would have ensured there would have been more commentary on the episode featured. Usually we're quite chatty. We were during the 100th and 101st episodes but we only had a few comments regarding our wallets i'm afraid

during the scene that made the compilation you can only hear my reaction of whoa and my husband stayed silent if it's possible we didn't even get a reaction from our dog who was strapped in the back seat. Gosh. If we had been listening to anything else, I'm sure we would have made impact. You guys really are heroes. There's a reason why Brady is an OAM and Tim is the moth. How come you get an official recognition of your title and I get like a fun name? Do I have to answer that? Goodness gracious. title and i get like a fun name do i have to answer that goodness christ my husband and i love the podcast though he was listening from the very beginning and i joined

the party about 20 episodes in i'm very thankful that this was one of the things he was able to bring to my life it's certainly much better because of it oh that's lovely we also only very recently became patreon supporters we have wanted to for a while however because we were Oh, that's lovely. No. Imagine if we were lucky enough to win collector cards and they randomly arrived in the post without us knowing. We're so stoked to finally be stakeholders, although Daniel stresses to me all the time that it should have been chicken holders. Speaking of chicken, should Tim ever start a list about top quality KFC restaurants in Australia, not just the ones to avoid, then I would recommend Seymour KFC 100%. It has never disappointed us. All right. We actually didn't eat KFC for three months in the lead up to our wedding

and we indulged a couple of days after. It was simply divine. I'm not sure what you were hoping to get out of us from this. So what would you like to know? We're happy to entertain a keen audience. All the best, Courtney and Daniel. Courtney and Daniel, I'm not sure we could have any more questions after that letter.

You were very thorough. Very thorough, yes, yes. It never occurred to me there was a dog in the car, for example. No, no, indeed. I wonder how many other dogs are fans of the podcast. Yeah, we should create a new category of stakeholder for pets. We should also make special episodes just for dogs where we go, how are you going today?

How are you all going? Are you enjoying this episode? Yes, how are you going today how are you all you go you've been a good are you enjoying this episode yes you are yes you are he's a good boy oh that's great all right courtney and daniel there you go daniel behind the wheel courtney as uh what do you call them rio that was like the real what's goose courtney was goose to daniel's maverick yes yes yeah nice work love it so they didn't have kfc for three months before their wedding but then they didn't have it at the wedding they waited till two days afterwards i would have been tempted to have it at the wedding to be honest just a secret stash i don't know you could have got into some kind of shock with

that much excitement and love in one day like yeah that's true yeah you don't you would don't have kfc your wedding because you don't want something to overshadow your wedding. That's right. How soon after your wedding did you eat KFC? Oh, that's a good question. We went down to Tassie that night, and so it wasn't that night, and then it was the next few days we were sort of at a resort,

so we were further away. So it would have been a week, a week afterwards because it was grand final day a week later and I would have got it for grand final day. Okay. Nice. Well, there you go. You waited a good week. I know.

I can't believe it. I love the name Courtney as well. Can I just flag that? So thanks very much, Courtney and Daniel. All right. You're not such a fan of Daniel? No All right. Not such a fan of Daniel? No, no. Not such a fan.

I think he can do better. Work on it, Daniel, and come back to us with something to match Courtney. I love that Daniel introduced Courtney to the Unmade podcast and then they got married. It's like that was his play. That was his like you know that was his play that was his like you know yes that was his move yes so not only has so the unmade podcast so far has saved his life in a car accident and got him a wife i mean how we're delivering for daniel like nothing else yeah although you did just like criticize his name on the podcast and say you didn't like it so that's true all

right i'm sorry apologies daniel let us know your middle name we'll run with that and if there's name on the podcast and say you didn't like it. No, that's true. All right. Apologies, Daniel. Let us know your middle name. We'll run with that. And if there's someone in your life who you'd like to marry, why don't you introduce them to the Unmade podcast? Yes. Sign them up as a stakeholder, as a gift. They can already be a fan of the podcast before they've even listened to it.

That would be a nice gift, wouldn't it? I want to tell you about this podcast. And before I tell you any more, you're already a patreon supporter of it the thing that we're supposed to do and occasionally do on the handmade podcast is pitch ideas to each other for podcast ideas in case this is your first episode tim do you want to go first today i I do, but I've changed my mind. I was going to go with something that came out of a bit of a personal story anecdote, and I've decided just to keep that personal. So I'm not going to use that idea. So I'm scrolling back and forward through my Notes page,

my Notes app, the page of my Notes app that has podcast ideas, and I'm going to stop on something and I'm going to read it out and we're going to make an idea out of that. All right. So this is – you don't sound very excited about this idea. Well, I mean, how late did you change your mind about this? While you were talking about Courtney and Daniel. Oh, dear.

All right. Oh, here we go. Things that would be better if set in England. All right. Oh, here we go. Things that would be better if set in England. All right. I wrote this down a little while ago because I have this idea that everything's lovely in England. I'm not saying that you make everything sound lovely in England, but you can't help but not make everything sound lovely in England

because every time I say, hey, what are you doing? And I'm going to the beach, you're going to an antique fair four villages over, like in the countryside. And then I'm grabbing like some chips or a meat pie or something like that or whatever. And you're like, are we having scones and jam and high tea or something? And you're wearing like a flowing sundress and looking pretty and all those things. No, no, you're looking all, you know, buff and crisp. And there's something clear and crisp. There's this idea, you see it in films,

if something's set in England, it's charming, it's nice. And there's this idea that I think English schoolchildren are somehow more wholesome and nice than American schoolchildren or Australian schoolchildren who are sort of ratty and noisy and stuff. Everything's nicer in England. And this podcast idea explores this idea and compares the equivalent of things in England as to whether it's more English and therefore more lovely. I mean, you have been to England. When you come to England, do you think things are nice as well? Or do you think- I do. It's a bit of a magic land, really.

Well, I tell you what it's formed by, though, because when you go to New York, it's sort of familiar in a funny way, and it lives up to it because of all the films and TV shows you've seen. But when you go to England, it's kind of formed by all the books that you've read. It somehow feels more bookish and pure. And it's like Enid Blyton's stories and fairy tales. And it's almost like, you know, the Lord of the Rings world is sort of there. And it's a lot of picture books as well. And golden books from childhood are sort of fire engines and English-y kind of things.

And things seem more themselves, purely themselves. Reds are redder and greens are greener. And, you know, all those colours are richer and more vivid. It's like, because it's like you're saying, I mean, basically what you're saying is America has been captured in the zeitgeist kind of as it is now because we're watching films and TV shows made now, whereas the moment England was kind of frozen in our zeitgeist was 100 years ago, 150 years ago,

when all those books were being written, and therefore we've got this kind of old-fashioned, more pure picture of it. Yeah. A little bit more, and a little bit misty, a little bit, like, mist bit miss a little bit misty a little bit like misted by time yeah yeah steam trains and harry potter and big long scarves and you know those kinds of things are all big long scarves you know these are a few of my favorite things harry potter's train

that's right far away tree yes it's like splashings of, you know, whatever people have for supper. Lashings of lemonade and all that. That's right. That's right. But it's like you live in that world now. Of course, America and Australia are the new world, right, whereas England is the old world, you know. So there's a longer history and there's castles

and even your Parliament House is just that bit older and the churches are from the 11th century. And it's got, there's cobbled streets and there's lovely, the lights, the street lamps are all sort of, you know, from C.S. Lewis novels. And there's all sorts of leprechaunsuns walking around otters and moles and you know down at the riverbank and so your idea as you read it was so i'm just i'm just loving all the cliches that are popping out of your head as you think of moles on the riverbank you must just you must just walk through the doors at Heathrow And just go, what? This is not what I was expecting

You expect to be driven home in a classic car Driven by a toad That's right, to a thatched cottage First time I got off the plane in Heathrow And I saw a Nike symbol It was a massive lit down I was like, oh, right, okay, that's here too, is it? Coca-Cola, oh, what?

When did this get here, you know? I just wanted a lollipop. So your idea as you read it off your list was things that would be better if they were in England, did you say? Yeah, so I remember, so things that would be better if they were in England. So, for instance, what if Top Gun was made in England? Like, it would be sort of guys with moustaches.

They're all flying biplanes. Yes. Hello, sir. Roger that. Oh, right on you, sir. Let's go. And instead of Maverick, he'd be called Reckless. That's right.

Irresponsible. Mr. Irresponsible. Mr. Irresponsible. And his best mate would be called Duckling. That's right. And they'd have those wonderful goggles just pulled up onto their forehead. That's right. They'd have those wonderful goggles just pulled up onto their forehead. You know? That's right. Ice man would be lemonade or something like that.

It would be icicle. Slightly chilly. That's right. Oh, dear. Yeah, that's right. So Top Gun, it would be cooler if it was in England. And it would be called Big Musket. That's right, yes.

That's right. Yes, that's right. Very nice. What would the Grand Canyon be like if it was in England? Oh, I don't know. Like the large hedgerow or something? Like what's a hedgerow? It would be very green. It would be full of greenery and, like, you know, yeah, hedges.

Meadow. Yeah. What do you like that's uniquely in England that isn't somewhere else? The things you like. Like, for example, a thing that's very English, and it happened to me the other day. I was going to someone's house, and they were off in the countryside, so I had to leave all the main roads,

and I ended up going down all those really, really narrow roads that have got, like, hedges and rock walls either side of them and people love that and I love looking at that in the movies but driving on it is an absolute nightmare because anytime a car comes the other way you both have to stop one of you has to reverse 100 meters into a lay-by so the other person can pass and like all the all the quaint English lovely things that people like about England can be actually be a bit of a pain in the neck yeah and also on the whole england is pretty pretty much just a really crowded busy country full of motorways and shops and lorries and it's very it's very like a lot of the time you hear about um pizza express and and like modern

facilities and that clashes for me it's like oh right they have pizza in england why do they have pizza when they could have bangers and mash you know it just seems very contemporary and out of place no i like i do i do like uh the idea we've kind of stumbled on as a result of your idea of anglicizing uh things that are non-english taking a movie or a topic and discussing how you could make it more, yeah, old-fashioned English. When are you coming to England next? You're coming sometime. Well, I would love to, yeah. We had planned it a couple of years ago and then COVID hit, and then that was my study leave, which, you know, ended up being in a sort of a COVID bunker

lockdown. And I don't have any more study leave planned, but we'll have to do some, either some annual leave with the family, or I might zip over and do some stuff with you. Do some podcasting. If you were given a week in England right now, just to yourself, I said, you just teleported here, you had a car and you could have a week to yourself and you didn't have to come and see me or any or any other of your English friends you were just like you know left to your own devices what would you do where would you go what would you like to do for a week in England I fantasize about just being on a long train ride and I would go up north I've done a lot of London and that stuff and I would catch the train

and slowly wind my way north and I would go up to firstly to Manchester because I've not been to Manchester and there's a lot of music sort of stuff that comes out of Manchester that I love, where the Hacienda was and the Stone Roses and all that stuff. And then probably, so just the train ride itself is like, I just love sitting on the train for a long time, going down to the food cart, coming back and sitting and reading on the English countryside. So I just go round and round and do that for a while. That's another thing that you've got so wrong about England. Like, they aren't just like slow meandering trains.

They're like absolute bullets now from like London to Manchester. So it's all over very quickly. And it's just full of drunk people and obnoxious people. And they're horrible experiences, those train trips. No, you said I wouldn't see you. So I'd be avoiding you. No, so I would do that. I'd go up there and then I'd probably go up into Scotland, but that's cheating a bit, isn't it? Because I haven't been to Scotland, but I'd like to have a look around Scotland, do some walking around the locks and the castles and bits and

pieces there. Oh, yeah. You'd love Edinburgh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be more countryside-y sort of stuff. I've never been to Cambridge. I've been to Oxford for a few things and stayed in Oxford, but I've never been to Cambridge, so I'd go over there as well. But I would train it. I would be training. It'd be trains and pubs and castles and, you know, snoozing. Trains and pubs and castles.

Yes. Going to a little English pub and then staying upstairs for the night and coming down for a massive, totally unhealthy breakfast and then heading off for the day. That's fantastic. Then you'd go and sit in a pub and write a fantasy novel. That's right. I'm not into the fantasy novels, but a novel.

Sure, sure. But I can't imagine not coming to see you, man. See, you're better in England. I think you're wonderful. You're like the king of England. That's what you are. If England had a royal family, you'd be it. Let's talk about Storyblocks, who have supported today's episode.

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Good stuff, eh, Tim, Storyblocks? Well, yeah, you're selling it pretty hard, man. You must be a real fan. Oh, they are paying us as well, but I am a legitimate Storyblocks user. Like, I am a proper, proper user, customer of Storyblocks. It has become a really essential part of my work, my everyday work. You broke the news last time that you're going to be doing some footage for them. Have you done any more planning in that regard?

Yes, this is true. Obviously, they have all of these professional filmmakers who supply all this incredible content for their library. And they have allowed me to become a contributor to the library, you know, as an award-winning filmmaker myself. And I have put a toe in the water and I've filmed a few things. But then I watched it back and I thought, is this good enough? Because the Storyblocks stuff is so good. I feel like I have to lift my game. So I've been doing a bit of pre-filming to practice.

And I'm going to go out this week and film my first actual things for the library and contribute them to Storyblocks. So if you become a Storyblocks subscriber, you'll be able to download Brady Haran filmed footage for your own projects. Is what you're planning to film, is it of the natural environment or is it of the built environment? I think I want to do a bit of both.

I want to do a bit of nature, a bit of, bit of nature a bit of you know english quaintness for you lavender yeah yeah yeah pumpkin patches things like that uh dark woods with faraway trees and enchanted woods yes yes enchanted but i also want to do a bit of you know uh infrastructure motorways piers buildings that kind of stuff i've got i've got lots of ideas too many storyblocks ideas not enough hours in the day but luckily it's not just me contributing to storyblocks they have a massive team of people go to storyblocks.com slash unmade if you do anything creative, whether it's video, podcasts, art or anything, this is a resource you really, really could use. So now it's time for a very special edition of Spooned The Hein Family collection of spoons was collected by Tim's parents over many years. Tim features spoons each week.

It's a real highlight of the show, I know, for everyone. The highlight of the show, surely. The highlight, sort of the centrepiece, because it's usually in the middle and everything else just kind of is building up to it and then just kind of relaxing down from it afterwards. That's right. Now, people may remember in 2020, I made a visit to Australia and we filmed with Tim's mother, Mrs. Hine, Auntie Dawn, as she's known in the industry. Yep.

So, we had a Milo and Vegemite on toast. It was a lovely experience. It was very wholesome. We had a Milo and Vegemite on toast. It was a lovely experience. It was very wholesome. But what people don't realise was at the same time, I also did an extra interview with Mrs. Hine,

until now unpublished, about the Spoon Collection. This is like found audio, never before released. This is sort of similar to when they found Go Set a Watchman, that sort of unpublished manuscript from Harper Lee. Harper Lee, that's right. Yes, yes. Written To Kill a Mockingbird, classic book. Suddenly they find this unpublished manuscript, almost too good to be true. this unpublished manuscript, almost too good to be true.

There was quite a media splash about that at the time, and I can only imagine what it's going to be like when it gets out, this found audio of Aunty Dawn. It's like a new Beatles song. It is, it is. Yeah, yeah. It's like when Free as a Bird came out, that new Beatles song. It was like, wow. I have a connection with that Beatles song, Free as a Bird.

Do you? Because a few weeks before it came out George Harrison was in Adelaide and played it at a party. And I wrote the story about it. I interviewed the DJ who played it, the first ever playing of Free As A Bird. It was like one of my early newspaper stories. If I remember correctly, that was at Waves Nightclub at the Hyatt Hotel, is that right? Was it? I don't remember.

I'll have to look the story up, but yeah. Anyway, anyway, let us hear from Mrs. Hine, the original keeper of the spoons, and see what new information may be shed on the history of this famous collection. Do you know that your spoon collection is on our podcast? No, I didn't. Well, it is.

And we, at first, we used to always talk about it as Jerry, Tim's dad's spoons, but you are the originator of the spoon collection. Yes, yes. Tell me how it started. When I was about, I can't remember, probably around 20 or something like that, might have been younger, I'd go and visit people. And when I went to that place, I'd just pick up a spoon. Like I remember, I've got to try and think of the places I used to go. This is in Australia mostly? Like country Australia? Victoria? Yes.

I'd sort of go, well, Lake Centres for instance, I'd get a spoon. And then Mount Martha, you know, out of Bendigo. I've got a spoon there, but everywhere I went, I'd just collect a spoon. Why were you doing that? Like, what were you thinking? I guess it was something cheap as a souvenir to take away,

and then when I'd come over to Adelaide and visit my sister and her husband here, I'd get a South Australian. Or if there was some special event where they had a souvenir spoon. I imagine sometimes there would be like a selection of spoons that you could choose between. When you were choosing a spoon, was there anything you liked? Like did you like the most colourful ones or the classiest ones or golden ones or silver ones?

No, what they meant. ones or the classiest ones or golden ones or silver ones? No, what they meant. Like I'd get sort of, like some are put out because of some special event or something. So I'd get that because they were special. So if you went through my collection of spoons, you'd see like Bendigo, the gold rush. You know, I had relatives in Bendigo so I've probably got a Bendigo, you know, gold rush you know i had relatives in bendigo so i probably got a bendigo you know gold rush spoon but that have to mean something and what would you what would you do with them like before you

were married what were you doing with them and then what did you do with them after you got married well i had a frame like you saw in my kitchen there and i'd hang them yeah a spoon rack and i'd hang them on there and keep cleaning them are they something you would kind of forget about or would you sometimes just stand in front of the rack and look at and think about all the memories how would you use them I probably think where I got them from and I've got a cousin in New Zealand so she sent me one so I've got New Zealand and I was I had a lot of pen pals I used to write to so they'd send me a spoon and when you got married did your your husband also got into spoon collecting well he didn't really until we went to Holland which did he have a connection with Holland, your husband? My husband, Jerry, was Dutch.

And we lived in Holland for five months. Oh, right. You lived in Holland? Was that before you were born, Tim? No, I was three or four. Oh, you were there. All right. Tim was three and a half when we went over.

So then Jerry started getting into the spoons because he got patriotic about Dutch spoons? No, they were given. People just gave us a set because in Holland it's a big deal, probably more than in Australia, you know, because of in Holland the different, what do you call it? Like regions. Yeah. Yeah. And so you'd get a spoon from that region and they were Salvation Army so they gave us Salvation Army spoon to celebrate so many years of the Salvation Army.

Shall we grab a couple? Tim thought he had all of your spoons at home because he has a lot of your spoons now in his collection home, but we've come to your house today and found out you've still got many, many spoons here in the house. So the collection seems to have been split, doesn't it? Oh, here we go. If I see where they're from then I'll remember alright let's get you, so we've opened up this lovely blue and white tin

with some spoons in it, what's that one? Canada, Canada, wow Canada, so have you been to Canada? no I haven't, so that must have been sent to me. I can't remember why I got that one. Yes, it's a real nice one. It's got a big maple leaf on the scoopy bit. Perhaps someone came over.

Yeah. Yes, I did have a pen pal. That's right, in Canada. Very nice. That's right. And I thought I knew her name then. Look at this one. This is so striking, that one. That's beautiful. And I thought I knew her name then. Look at this one. This is so striking, that one.

That's beautiful. What's this one? Singapore. Singapore. Well, I had a pen pal in Singapore. That's an interesting story. Yeah? Oh, really?

I don't think Tim might have even heard this. When we were younger and, you know, through different papers and magazines and and, you know, through different papers and magazines and that. You know, I loved writing letters. And it was really fashionable to have pen pals, you know, all my friends. We had pen pals in different countries. And different names of different people would put in books

and magazines and I'd write to them, ask for a pen pal. But Singapore was very interesting because, you know, the name is very different and you don't know whether they're a boy or a girl. Oh, the person's name. Yes, and I thought I was writing to a girl. Yeah. Uh-oh.

So that's where I've probably got that one from. It was a boy you were writing to. But I must have, he must have got tired of me putting Miss and then his name because he wrote once and he said, oh, I have to let you know, Dawn, that I'm a boy and not a girl. Did he call you Mr Dawn? I can't remember. But, and he sent me this lovely scarf from Singapore and this spoon.

Oh, wow. And that was really interesting. I wonder whatever happened to him. What was his name? Oh, I can't remember his name. John. But he, you know, and I was so shocked. Yeah.

And I told my parents and my father said, well, that's the finish. You're not writing to him anymore. And I said, why? And he said, well, he was in the scouts, you see. And my father said he could come out with a scout group and look you up and want to marry you. What would be wrong with that, Mum? How different would the Unmade podcast be today?

Oh, OK. So I had to write to him and he was very disappointed. So that was it? You broke it off? Yeah. Well, I just said I had to write to him and he was very disappointed. So that was it? You broke it off? Yeah. Well, I just said I was very young. I wasn't allowed to write to him anymore. Okay.

Well, I guess it was a different time. Yeah. Your father was just looking out for you because he cared for you. Oh, yes. Now. What else? You choose the next one. That's the Dutch one.

That's self-explanatory. That's the Dutch one. We'll say Tim can do that one day on Spoon of the Week. Yeah. Now, what does that one say? It's got a pelican on it and it says. What does it say? I'll read it to you.

It says Lake Barine. Lake Barine. I don't know what that one is. What else have we got here? This one here is from Rome in Italy. Wow. Have you ever been to Rome? No, I haven't.

I was probably sent there or given there. I feel like maybe we're in the pen pal tin here. Yeah, might have been. Hang on, what's this one? What's this one? Coré Museum in New Zealand. Oh, my cousin probably sent me that. I've got cousins in New Zealand.

This one's from Wales. Yeah, well, that was probably sent to me. Tim, there's some fantastic spoons here. I hope you're eyeing these up for future episodes. I'm sure there are some Dutch ones. Well, that's a windmill, so I'm sure that's Dutch. Yeah, that's 1876 to Centenary, but it doesn't say what country, does it? I mean, 1876, that's going to probably be something American. That's Centenary 76, isn't it?

My brother went to America, so perhaps he brought that back. Yeah. This one's very interesting. Yeah. Oh, let me see. So it's got like a little childlike elephant on the head. Timothy. Where does it say Timothy?

It doesn't say Timothy. It was just a little child spoon. Was that from Tim's childhood? Yeah. Did young Tim maybe use this spoon? Yeah. Wow. There's history in my hand.

I think they're all back, aren't they? Yeah. Well, we'll save some of these for later. Oh, no, here's one. That one's got a crazy head. It's like a snow dome type. What does that say? Let me have a see.

Kuranda. Kuranda? What is it? Kuranda, is it? Kuranda. Kuranda. C-U-R it? Kuranda, is it? Kuranda. Kuranda. C-K-U-R-A-N-D-A. Perhaps that's Ramana.

I don't know. All right, well. The others are all back, I think. Like you say, Tim's got. This one's from Noosa. Oh, that's Queensland, isn't it? It's not near the Queensland, New South Wales border, isn't it, Noosa? Noosa's Queensland.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I probably got that when I was coming back from New Guinea because I stayed in Queensland and Sydney on the way home. So can we take some of these spoons with us and feature them on Spoon of the Week on our podcast? Yeah. Yeah?

Why not? All right. Yeah, what's this one? Oh, that's the one you put back. Yeah. Yeah, well not? All right. Yeah, what's this one? Oh, that's the one you put back. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's Dutch. That's Dutch. That's Dutch.

A lot of Dutch spoons in here. Yeah, they were very special. You must have a lot of spoons that I collected in Australia and Tasmania because I've got one from Tasmania and... That's right. They're from... I've got a lot of those sorts of ones from around different parts of country Victoria and Australia.

Yeah, I think Tim's ended up with most of those ones. Yeah. Now you've got more Dutch ones. I know what's coming, Tim. Hmm. All right. Thank you very much, Aunty Dawn, for a little bit of spoon insight. Greater feeling for the history of the collection.

Setting the record straight in many ways, I feel, Tim. Do you feel that way? Yeah, it is lovely to have that kind of expertise. A bit like Antiques Roadshow coming here today, isn't it? Yeah. Although on Antiques Roadshow, there's not as much them going, hmm, don't know what that one is. I didn't think you were so interested in spoons.

Oh, you have no idea. I'll get you the T-shirt. Have you made a T-shirt? Oh, yeah. We have a spoon T-shirt. We're having a special spoon made for the Unmade podcast. So within a few weeks, there's going to be an Unmade podcast spoon, and we'll send you one and you can put it in your collection.

Well, she could buy one. They can't be bought, remember? Oh, indeed. That's right. They have to be. They have to. I'd love a T-shirt. Yeah?

All right. We'll organise a T-shirt. We'll get you a spoon T-shirt. I'll show you them online, Mum. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can give you the money and you can. Yeah, so you should.

You're not getting your T-shirt until you hand over the money. I'll sign you up as a patron supporter. Thank you very much, Aunty Dawn. That was wonderful. Well, there we go. Incredible. I'll tell you what I'd like to hear, some dashboard footage

with Aunty Dawn talking in the background. What a century. Oh, dear. Just the thought of your mum driving sends chills down my spine. So the thing that I... She recently gave her car away, you know. She gave it away finally. It was time to let the licence go.

And she gave the car away to the youth pastor at our church who happily received it, just getting his licence. And we took a fantastic Toyota, oh, what a feeling, like photo in front of it where he leaps up into the air all excited holding the car keys. That's so appropriate, your mum passing her car onto a youth pastor as well. So fitting for a woman with her heart.

I mean, my takeaways from that was, you know, your mum is the driving force behind the spoon collection, not your late father. Your father sort of took it on later in life, but, like, I think your mum has not been getting the credit she deserves. I know. I didn't really know that mum, the origin story of the spoons, was so directly linked to Mum.

She was really the spoon fan early on and it moved on to Dad. And the other thing that I took away from that is the mythology around the Singapore spoon is just increasing. Obviously, we featured the Singapore spoon on Spoon of the Week. You then lost the spoon. You then bought the spoon. You then bought a dummy replica spoon off eBay so we could photograph it for our Spoon of the Week collector cards. And now there's this whole scandal surrounding it about the Singaporean scout that may have come to marry your mum and whisker away to Asia.

That never happened. And it's like, oh, The legend of that spoon continues. Actually, that spoon stays with me a fair bit because when I sought a replica, I bought two replicas from eBay and the first one arrived and it wasn't very convincing and then the next one arrived and it was brilliant. I was able to swap it in. But that sort of not very good replica still sort of hangs around the kitchen. Like it's still sort of on very good replica still sort of hangs around the kitchen. Like it's still sort of on the bench and then around the place and then back.

And I don't know why I haven't just thrown it in the bin, but it's sort of like. No, you've got to feature it on Spoon of the Week sometime. The dud Singapore spoon replica. It's sort of, I feel like maybe it's a metaphor for this young man who was cast asunder and wasn't able to become Mr. Hine as he would have. So much like we found the dash cam owner footage, if you happen to be that man from Singapore that used to write to Mrs. Hine and then suddenly stopped getting letters because of her dad, get in touch with us. We'd love to hear your side of the story. get in touch with us. We'd love to hear your side of the story.

And, and, and as a reward, we've got a spoon for you that looks reasonably similar to one featured on the Unmade podcast. Reasonably similar. Anyway, our, our thanks,

our thanks to Mrs. Hine for, for taking all the credit for the spoon collection. That's all she did there is go, now that dad's gone, she's like, oh, that was all my idea. Yeah. I started the spoon.

What do you think listening to recordings of your mum on a podcast? What's that like for you? Because you hear her voice so much compared to me, obviously, you know. Yeah. Not as much as you should because you don't visit her enough, but, you know, you still hear her voice so much compared to me, obviously, you know. Yeah. Not as much as you should because you don't visit her enough, but, you know, you still hear her. It still does sound vaguely familiar from the last time I saw her, yeah. Look, I think when I hear her recorded,

I hear her like everyone else hears her, which is, it's a bit like, I think you and everyone else view my mum a little bit like I view England as this somehow enchanted sort of children's storybook character who's, you know what I mean, always got sort of charmingly lovely innocent things to say. Not as the person who used to smack my bottom when I was a kid or you know what I mean, made me go to school or chase me around the backyard telling me off because I wanted to watch more television or something. You know, like she's just this character.

Yeah. Yeah. And I see a glimpse of that when I hear her on, you know, when she's in character talking to you. Yeah. Your family sometimes sends me pictures of you when you're visiting your mum. Oh, really? And one thing all those pictures have in common is that you're asleep.

You tend to spend a lot of time sleeping at your mum's house, it seems. I go over there and I was like, hi, mum. And I sit on the couch and the other family members are talking to her about all this. And then mum launches into a story about how she bought carrots yesterday or something and by then i'm gone like i'm i'm just i'm out it's like oh golly yeah i didn't know they sent you photos that's pretty funny so uh time for a podcast quick time for a quick podcast idea from me before we wrap up No moon of the week this week? Oh yes, yes There is moon of the week

I can't believe it There's loads of stuff There's loads of stuff I forgot I also forgot our winners Our winners of spoons I can't believe it Tim's running the show now Sorry, well, yes

Brady, alright Now, every yes, Brady. All right. Now, every week, as you know, I'm doing my Brady voice. As you know, we have winners. These are stakeholders who have put their names in and we have selected them. Brady, how would you like to select them this week? Let's choose the... I'm trying to think of something from the show that would be appropriate let's choose the spoon let's choose the winners via a series of near misses so as we have near

misses on the road and cars veer past us i will reach into the car and pull a name out of the car and that will be our winner so here we go here's the first one all right All right. Oh, that was close. But I managed to pull out the name of Alan L from Sweden. And Alan is getting an Unmade Podcast souvenir spoon, specially struck here in England, the mystical land. Wow. Well done, Alan. Oh, here comes another car.

Whoa. Well done, Alan. Oh, here comes another car. Oh! And we have a mixtape, a sofa shop mixtape for Charles A from Georgia in the US of A. Oh, no, Tim, I think I see five cars coming that are going to decide the winners of our Unmade Podcast Spoon of the Week collector cards. Oh, that was close. Your overacting's almost as good as mine and the winners are mikoville from finland jaron from texas michael b from indianapolis in depal from london and robert p from pennsylvania you have collector cards coming Inder Pal from London, and Robert P from Pennsylvania. You have collector cards coming your way. If you'd like to become a Patreon supporter, please do, and you will be in the running for prizes in the foreseeable future.

And who doesn't like winning prizes? Now it's time for Moon of the Week. This is a time when Brady chooses a moon from the sky and gives us heaps of information about it. Over to you, Brady. This is otherwise known as the toilet break, a time when there are no near misses during this particular segment. Everyone's concentrating on the road and not listening properly to the podcast, but no. Moon of the Moon. Tim, I've chosen a moon.

It's one of, like, you know, the famous moons, one of the pin-up moons. And despite being one of the most famous moons in the solar system, I always find this one a bit boring. I just, I don't know, it just has never has never floated my boat this moon. Man, how could you possibly find moons boring? Moons are amazing. I hear all about them on this segment called Moon of the Week every week. What? A boring moon? No way. What have you got for us? We are off to Jupiter and we are doing Jupiter's biggest moon called Ganymedee ganymede is the biggest moon in the whole solar

system it's the biggest moon there is it's the big one all right ganymede ganymede it is i've told you before that there are four big moons around there are lots and lots of moons around jupiter but there are four big ones that were discovered by galileo they were so big even galileo could see them back in the day. The four Galilean moons and Ganymede is the biggest of them. It's the third one in distance from Jupiter of the four. It's the seventh furthest from Jupiter of all moons, but it's the third of the Galilean moons. It's about a million kilometers from Jupiter. Wow. And it takes seven Earth days to whiz around and do a lap of Jupiter, to do an orbit of Jupiter. Ganymede.

It actually was once upon a time they thought Titan, one of the moons of Saturn, was bigger. But when the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 space probes went to Jupiter, it got a closer look. They realized, no, Ganymede's the big one. It's the big daddy. All right. Man, you haven't said anything boring yet, so keep going.

Okay. When are you going to get to the boring bit? That's what I want to know. I mean, these are reasonably boring. There are reports that a Chinese astronomer, 350 years BC, called Gandhi, or Gandhi. It looks like Gandhi. Gandhi.

Gandhi. He actually reported seeing a moon around Jupiter like back in the in the days of you know in the olden days but people are pretty skeptical of that they don't think he would have been able to see it back back in those days so anyway he would have just had those old-fashioned binoculars he probably wouldn't have been able to see it. We're not going to count that. Now, Ganymede has a diameter across of 5,300 kilometres. That makes it bigger than Mercury. It's bigger than the planet Mercury. So it's big. It's not heavier than Mercury because it's not as dense,

but it is bigger in size than Mercury. It has a liquid metallic core like the Earth does, which means it has a magnetic field. It's the only moon known to have its own magnetic field. Having a magnetic field also means it gets aurora around it, like we here have on Earth, the southern and northern lights. Ganymede has its own aurora. And perhaps the most interesting thing about it,

and they're becoming increasingly sure this is true, but they're not 100% sure of it like anything in astronomy. They believe it has massive, massive underground oceans of water about 100 miles under the surface. You suddenly get these 60-mile deep oceans of water. And there's more water in those oceans under the surface of Ganymede than there are on all of earth's surface so wow pretty that's pretty interesting yeah that's totally not boring keep going no okay uh there are two types of surface on Ganymede parts of it are very cratered like you know typical looking moon for the craters other parts have got all these grooves and lines all over it they think that's because of the surface being sort of torn and ripped and affected by jupiter's huge gravity

because jupiter is such a monster of a planet it's named after trojan prince the cup bearer to the gods ganymede and the last thing i think is interesting is that there is a probe that the European Space Agency is going to launch maybe next year called JUICE which stands for Jupiter Icy Moon Explorer it will take eight years to then get all the way to Jupiter and it will fly by some of the Galilean moons and then it will drop into an orbit around Ganymede and just orbit Ganymede taking lots and lots of pictures and studying the moon. And that will be the first time we've ever put a space probe into orbit around another moon besides our own moon.

Wow. Will it stay perpetually in orbit then, or at some stage will we fire a rocket and get it out of orbit again? No, we won't get it out, but at some stage it will be de-orbited and it will crash into Ganymede. Wow. There we go. That will make for some cool photos as it gets closer and closer, taking all these photos before it finally smashes. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Ganymede. That's pretty exciting. It's pretty amazing when you stop and think that we have moons that are bigger than other planets.

And this is where you say, oh, lots of them are because Pluto or whether Pluto is a planet or not. No, I mean, there are a few bigger than Pluto. Titan is bigger than Pluto, for example. But no, not many. Yeah. Imagine if our moon was bigger than the Earth. How weird that would be. Like it was going around us or we were going around it.

Well, we would be the moon then. They would be. Yeah, we would be the moon. You got there in the end, man. Well done. That's right. We may not be called the moon, though, because the moon is the name of our moon. So we would be called the Earth.

So it would be the Earth and the moon going around the moon. Who knows? Who knows what would be called? But, I mean, it's entirely possible that life could develop on a moon, like, you know, elsewhere in space. I mean, there's no rule that says life has to develop on planets. Well, even if there was a rule, who would enforce it? There's no space police. Space police. Now you're talking. All right. Excuse me, you can't develop life here. It's like we've just wasted the last million years. Unbelievable. There we go. That was, in fact, when they talk about places,

there may be microscopic and forms of life elsewhere in the solar system. Mars has always been one. And a few planets that have liquid are the main other candidates. So Europa, which is a moon of Jupiter, we may come to another time. And now maybe people are beginning to think about Ganymede. Could there be microscopic life in those under the ground oceans, you know, some kind of, I don't know, sharks? No, something smaller than sharks.

Anyway. Just to clarify, so Martians are only from Mars, is that right? We don't know of any Martians from other planets. No, Martian is like Earthling. The word Martian comes from Mars itself. That's why it's called Martian. Well, that's what I mean. It's a Martian.

Like they're aliens from other planets. No, an alien from Jupiter would be called Jovian. Ah. So that's right. That's confirming. So we know that aliens come from other places, but if they come from a specific location. So Martian is a category of alien.

Is that right? Yes. An alien that comes from Mars. Yes. Martian can also just be something that comes from Mars like a rock. If we brought a rock back from Mars, you would call that Martian rock. Oh, right. Like something's Australian that comes from Australia.

Exactly. Exactly. Yes. And when did we first you mean? Exactly. Yes. And when did we first discover them? Discover what? Martians. Martians. And how did we know they came from Mars?

Did they tell us when they arrived? Yeah, if they can't tell us, if we don't see them there and they can't tell us, how do we know? They could be aliens coming from somewhere else pretending to be Martians because they think they're going to curry favour having, because it's like our friend planet. Yeah, that could be. They could be tricking us into thinking they're Martian when in fact they come from, who knows, Saturn. Uranus.

I mean, if someone had to say it, it was you. It's still funny. It's still funny. That is more than enough Moon of the Week. It's still funny. It's still funny. All right. That is more than enough moon of the week. Good. That was great. I think that was great.

I think that's your least boring yet. Well done. Thanks. You were all worried about it. No, man, it's going really well. Well done. All right. There we go.

Ganymede. Do you know what I want to hear one time? I want to hear Aunty Dawn. I want to hear Mum doing a Moon of the Week. We can combine the spoon and moon categories, worlds. Oh, yeah. To having a... Or I could just deliver Moon of the Week to your mum

and see how she reacts and what questions she has. That's a great... You know I'll tell her something incredible about some volcano on io that's putting a plume of plasma into outer space and she'll just say isn't god wonderful absolutely praise jesus isn't tim wonderful and isn't God wonderful? Mum's a big fan of both of us, I have to say She'll think it's all because of you I didn't even know Tim had made moons in space When he wakes up, I'll ask him

Yeah Time for a quick podcast idea from me Yeah, yeah, This is the highlight. Come on, man. You bring the gold. I'll keep this one quick. So this idea, let me tell you where this idea came from first. I've been making some new friends lately because I've been playing tennis.

My wife's been making a lot of new friends lately with various groups she's been going to. And when my wife goes out with her new friends, they'll go for like a coffee or something or to the gym and then have a chat afterwards. And seriously, two hours at least they'll spend talking. At least two hours. Right. My friends, we have very quick chats. And most of our chats are at the net at tennis during the change of ends when you're getting a quick drink of water and getting your breath back. So, every two games you have a quick chat.

So, my idea for a podcast is called chats at the net and basically it would involve capturing these one to two minute snippets of conversation had between the guys as they're changing ends at tennis and then maybe there'll be a little interlude between where you're hearing the ball getting hit and then you hear another one to two minute chat because i think i know this isn't true for all men or all women but in but the men and women in my life it's generally true that the women talk for longer than the men i know this probably isn't true for you actually because your job in pastoral care involves very long conversations but my chats with men are generally quite short and i think this could be quite a fun podcast format to choose a topic for the day. And just every 10 minutes when you're a bit out of breath and having a drink, you just have a quick chat about these topics at the net. Chats at the net.

Capturing these little vignette interactions that men have at the change events. Nice. What sort of topics come up? Like, do you sort of come to the net and say how about climate change eh and oh i know and then just move on again or are they more incidental are they often it'll be work because like one of the guys i play with has been going through some tumultuous times at work so what's going on at work what's happening with the boss what's going on with your pay rise stuff like that it could be stuff that's going on around town. Oh, have you heard this new shop's opening and that?

It could be stuff to do with like, you know, advice, advice on things going on, stuff that's going on in your family. Sometimes over time, they become quite personal. Oh, how's your brother? He was sick. Or what's going on with, what's going on with, you know, your uncle that had that gambling debt? Or how's your, oh, I know your wife wasn't well.

How's she doing? So they do have that role that I think all humans need. They warm up, yeah. It is providing that kind of, yeah, that nurturing and intimacy that's useful, but in a very manly way, in a very like just at the change of ends while you're having your drink. And it's good because like there's no awkward how do we get out of this conversation now because after two minutes you just walk away from each other and go to opposite ends of the court again and yeah tennis begins again so uh

i don't know i think we just could i don't know i think there's something in there i think there's something in there in this like does it happen when you surf i know sometimes when you surf and you go out into the backwaters behind the waves, you'll be next to another surfer waiting. Will you sometimes have a quick chat between waves? I do. I quite like it because I like to say hello to someone and initiate something. Generally, it's asking, you know, the time and that breaks the ice because I don't have a watch, but sometimes they do. And then you might chat a little bit about the conditions and what's going on.

There was one guy that I met once and then I saw him again and we chatted on further and he'd remembered and I was like, oh, hang on, it's you, isn't it? Yes, and we had a little bit of a chat and that was really nice. I enjoyed that. I think you're right. There is a different dynamic at play. I've often observed that guys speak better standing sort of sideways,

shoulder to shoulder, whereas women like to talk face to face, like they're quite committed into the conversation, whereas guys, they let more reveal if they don't. It's not as confronting. You stand sideways and kind of turn your hand. You know what I mean? Like you're speaking over your own shoulder to them and like you're at a party with drinks. In other words, you're both watching something. You've got something in common you're watching and conversation happens like at the footy. You know, to turn around and face the person and say, let us have a conversation. You know what I mean?

He's like, well, hang on, mate, what are you doing? You will sometimes even talk between points. You know, you'll serve and have a rally and someone wins the point. And then something will pop into your head as you're moving over to the other side and say, oh, how did that thing work out with your car? Oh, yeah, all sorted, bought the car. Oh, nice one. Then you send down the next serve. They're just these little bite size.

It might not make a good listen. It might not be a good podcast idea, but I think there's something in there and I think it could be a nice podcast because you could also incorporate a little bit of the sounds of tennis too, the relaxing whacking of the balls and things like that. I don't know. There's something there. There's something there. There is something in that because most podcasts are predicated on the idea of, well, let's unpack

this. You know what I mean? Let's go deeper and bring out all the extraneous bits and pieces. Whereas you're trying to do the opposite. You're trying to make it like a pop song. How do we make this pithy and quick and- Yeah um and it could be i mean i'm just thinking on the on the hoof now but it could be like you know you pick five or six topics or five or six topics are submitted and that is what you discuss the news of the day or questions from viewers but it's just done in this concise way and it's just another it's just another format to make something concise you know you get these American shows where they'll have like 30 seconds on, what did you think of Michael Jordan's performance yesterday? 30 seconds on, what chance the Bucks are going to win this week?

30 seconds on, you know, what's happening in baseball? It's the same thing, but it's just, here's two minutes on this, two minutes on this. And the shtick is that it's the change of ends in tennis. Nice idea. Nice idea. All right. Nice idea. Nice idea. All right. All right.

Good idea. Like? Yep. Like? You're going to play tennis with me when you come over to England at my idyllic English tennis club? Yes. And you're-

We'll have those 1970s rackets that are sort of wooden. Yep. And we'll be wearing long white pants and shoes and stuff and those flat sneakers, you know. Yes. With a tucked in button up shirt. Yeah. Anyone for tennis?

And we'll have lashings of lemon squash afterwards. Oh, so refreshing. That's going to be fantastic. Yes. Totally grass court. You drive all over Adelaide trying to find a grass court, but go to England and every court's grass court and perfectly trimmed and neat. It's lovely. Lovely.

I know you've become quite proud of your tennis and it was marvellous a little while ago when you hit what the shot heard around the world, one of the great tennis shots. Are you wanting to share with our listeners the... I'm glad you brought it up because i think maybe maybe once or twice a century like a one-off sporting moment happens that changes the world like that that that will never be forgotten and i played this particular forehand the other day well no my opponent ian played this incredible forehand that had won the won the point and sent the ball flying out into the other court where a women's doubles match was happening.

And he had like, he assumed the point was won. And I recovered it. And it was amazing. I literally ran across the other court into the other women's game of doubles and played one of the most remarkable forehand recoveries ever seen. And I whacked it back across his court at an angle that doesn't even exist in mathematics. Wow. Jaws dropped. back across his court at an angle that doesn't even exist in mathematics and uh wow jaws dropped and because i ran across this other game they all saw the shot because i ran it ran into their rally

and they they were amazed in and everyone was talking about it afterwards shot one of the best shots i've ever seen my wife didn't seem to appreciate it so i thought maybe tim would so i i texted you about it and i don don't think you were quite understanding. So I did draw you a few diagrams. You drew a wonderful diagram. And I was looking at it and I was trying to ascertain what was going on. And it took me quite a while. And then I realised, oh, it's two tennis courts you've drawn here.

Yes. But thankfully you'd written at the top on the other one, other court. Like you'd not written my court. You'd just written other court. And then there were people with names and stuff yeah yeah and then but then you were winding me up by asking me all these irrelevant questions about the other players and yeah and obviously obviously has become a big joke right but the thing i love is i've seen ian who i was playing against three or four times since at other games of tennis and at drinks at the tennis club. And he keeps telling other people about it.

Like, he didn't like it. He's not the best loser, so he didn't like it. But he's a nice guy. And the recent times, we'll be having drinks with third parties who weren't there, and he'll be trying to... I don't bring it up. He brings up this shot and says, you should see this shot Brady played, you know, two weeks ago

and tries to explain it to them. And they're just like you, like, I don't really understand what, you know, I don't understand what you're talking about. You played a tennis shot in a social game of tennis. Nice. But it was a special shot. It was a special shot. Did it win the game or the set or something? Did it come at a crucial moment? It did win the game. And it did. That's a good question because sometimes you play a really good shot and then you lose the game and it's like, well, what was the point of that? But this one, I believe, we did go on to win the game.

It wasn't game point, but we did go on to win the game. And we won the set. Yeah. So very special, very special moment. Much like your 21 waves. It was the best tennis shot I've played since I started playing. Wow. Nice. And certainly it seems like it's the best one that ian has ever played or seen it was good uh you say i'm proud i

don't i'm not like a great tennis player i'm not playing i can't play i'm not playing in the leagues when i go and watch the league guys play it's like i'll watch them play and i think oh my goodness i'm the worst player in the world i'm amazed amazed at tennis players. I know. They serve and it goes in. It's just incredible. But I'm getting better. But this shot was my 21 wave, so maybe I need to get that diagram onto a T-shirt. Maybe.

It's a very special Leonardo da Vinci-esque diagram. I know you were in bed, weren't you, because it was late at night and I was saying, show your wife. Show your wife the diagram. Maybe she'll like it. Yeah, so I literally leaned over and said, can you make anything of this? And she just sort of looked at it with contempt. Nope. And then went back to what she was reading.

Did you show her the next morning when she was more awake so she could take it in better? No, surprisingly, we've largely forgotten about it and moved on with our lives. Largely forgotten about it, but not entirely. No, every time then Ian contacts me, Tim, got a story. Okay, I'll take my recorder down to Tannis on Friday and I'll ask Ian to describe it. That would be cool. Yeah, yeah, I'd love that. That would be cool. Yeah, yeah. I'd love that.

That would be great. Yeah. I'd love to hear it from Ian. I'm now at the tennis club. I'm on court one where the shot happened. And as promised, I'm here with Ian, who was the victim of the shot heard around the world. Ian, I think my friend Tim thinks maybe I'm exaggerating how good this shot was. Can you tell us about it?

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, sometimes when you hit a shot, you hit with the power and you think, that is a win, it all ends up. And that's what happened, to be honest. I stood there and admired my shot. I couldn't have put it in a better place, to be honest with you.

And I just couldn't believe it. Because out of nowhere, this flash, I didn't even know what it was suddenly the ball comes back right across there and i was just dumbfounded oh good god cannot believe this guy how did he how did he get anywhere near that so i had to say fair play to him it's a brilliant shot however next time i'll uh i'll cover it a bit better i think by going into the net and putting it away easily i haven't put him up up to this. This is not scripted. So, I mean, Ian, you've been playing tennis a long time.

You've seen a lot of shots. I mean, how does that one rank in the all-time greats? Well, I've been playing about three years here. But, you know, I must say there's one other guy at this club that could do that shot. And he's been playing for about 60 years. And that's the only other time for me to get that sort of shot back. So I think you may have a separate career here, Brodie. I think you may be able to sort of take up the game,

you know, the seniors tour maybe. That could do it for you, I think. And Ian, I've noticed in the club rooms you have all these boards up with gold writing of all the champions and stuff. Is there any chance that my shot could be recognised up there in any way? Well, I am on the committee so I could sort of suggest that the next meeting if you like you know shot of the uh of the month maybe but you're going for shot of the year i suppose aren't you

century century well i suppose only 22 years in you know it's got to be up there isn't it it's got to be up there well thanks thanks for joining us out here on court in and and seeing you've bigged me up i'll let you big up how did how did you go today you've just finished playing how was your set yeah well funny enough I play with another uh another Aussie um a female one Paula and I play Dave and Jenny every week and we usually you know usually lose but today we beat them in three sets so yeah I'm buzzing at the moment so cheers mate everyone's a winner thanks Ian