The Unmade Podcast - 118: Back from the Dead

Episode Date: October 22, 2022

Tim and Brady discuss the number 118, a new cricket bat, Timothy Pringle, autographs, back from the dead, Greek spoons, a moon sandwich, training courses, and new Man in Black cover. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/yanjgj Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIRMZDOKKKs-d14YPmLMxg USEFUL LINKS Brady's Periodic Table videos - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7A1F4CF36C085DE1 Pictures of the bat - https://www.patreon.com/posts/73627445 Timothy Pringle - https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/tim-pringle-1193548 Lisa Gherardini - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_del_Giocondo Judas Iscariot - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot Pictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-week Send your own spoon by following these instructions - https://www.unmade.fm/send-us-a-spoon Skiathos - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiathos Moons Over My Hammy - https://dennys.id/menu/moons-over-my-hammy/ Moon Over Miami - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjNEtM3gOac

This is actually episode 118. Ooh. 118 tickles my brain. It's a special number for me. Can you guess why? 118. Why would that number tickle me? Is your birthday on the 18th?

Yes, but that's nothing to do with my birthday. Was it your highest score at cricket? I wish it was, but no, no, it wasn't. It's to do with my work. You've made 118 episodes of a particular podcast series? Well, kind of. You've kind of stumbled over it in a way. What do I make videos about?

What are the things I make videos about? YouTube series, I should say. I think I said podcast. Well, 118 unmade podcasts, man. Is that insignificant? No. What else do I make content about? Is that what I'm significantly... No.

What else do I make content about? You make YouTube clips for... About space and about periodic elements. Oh, do I? Do I? Do I now? Are there 118 periodic elements? There are indeed.

118 elements on the periodic table. Wow. So whenever I see the number 118, I think, because I initially made these 118 videos that I'm kind of remaking now and everything's changing and getting renamed. But as the periodic table stands now, there are 118 elements. So whenever I see the number 118, my brain is thus tickled. This is one of those things where I know nothing about,

but you know an enormous amount about. And I always assumed that this table of elements has been there since time immemorial. And then you told me once that they just recently added one to the table. They've added a few. There's been 118 positions for a while, but they had like these placeholder names. They hadn't named some of them because they'd never made them.

And then over the last sort of 10 years or so, they've confirmed the creation of a few of them so they've given them names so some that some of those ones that were just kind of essentially numbers have now got names but there's always been 118 as the periodic table is arranged at the moment what do you mean they've made them i thought the elements were sort of like the ingredients like raw things that not not the meal that you put two things together to make but basically the number of an element is how many protons are in the nucleus and once you go over 92 which i think is uranium once you go higher than that it's too unstable

for the atom to hold together and it falls apart, usually within seconds or microseconds. But what they can do is by getting two quite big elements or a big element and a small element, they can smash them into each other. And sometimes they stick for long enough for them to be able to measure it and confirm, yes, that element is there. We've made a nucleus with 118 protons in it. And then it falls apart. It decays away away very quickly but if they can prove that they made it that they stuck it together they nailed the landing for long enough you get to name that element so those elements don't really exist in nature for all intents and purposes but humans can make them and if they do that you get to name them and they've made up to 118 now wow gosh that sounds like quite a challenge it is they're quite impressive

machines that do it i can send you some videos about it i've been to some of these machines are there any videos on youtube yes tell me more about something i know a little bit about uh so 118 i just wonder how many how many fans there are out there who are jealous of me right now being able to ask you live about science stuff. And I'm only barely staying with you, right? It sounds really fascinating, but you've lost me. And I just think how many people would be like, oh, if I was there, I'd be asking him that. Well, I'm normally the question asker. So I'm sure I'm not the person to ask questions of.

I'm the person to ask the questions. But I know enough to answer your questions. Now, a few episodes ago, we showed a picture of Tim playing a cricket shot. This is a four defensive cricket shot or a block as it's known in the industry. And it was taken, I don't know, probably sometime in the nineties.

I don't know when it was taken. Anyway, in this picture, Tim remarked on his shadow because it was a sunny Australian day and he remarked that his shadow looked a little bit like the Michael Jordan jump man and it could be his sporting logo. And then we jokingly have started selling sports

merch with the logo. Aren't we hilarious? But anyway, I was not happy with this. I thought some sports t-shirt or a pair of shorts or a sports bra or whatever else you can buy was not enough. I thought this needed to be memorialized in a more appropriate way. I thought this needed to be memorialised in a more appropriate way. And I've been hard at work, Tim. And I've created the ultimate piece of Tim Hine cricket sports memorabilia. And I wish to share that with you now, if I may. I love the moment just before you're revealed.

Here it is. This could be anything. Let me take it out of its bubble wrap. And I want to introduce to you. And this is not trivial. This is the Tim Hine cricket bat. This is a real legit cricket bat. Let me tell you a little about this bat that I've had professionally made here in England.

This is the real deal. Wow. England this is the real deal wow this is a two pound eight ounce slightly bowed bat with a 22 inch concave flat profiled blade with square toe and low sweet spot for the front foot player this is made from traditional English willow with a Singapore cane handle by a master bat maker here in england you can see on the uh on the blade we have the tim hein logo sports logo yes a tim hein autograph because cool cricket boys have the autograph of the player and it's called i decided to call it the blocker bat we have tjh initials and the unmade podcast logo oh laser etched into the willow this is a once in a lifetime cricket bat this is like this is like this is the real deal man this is this is made to the specs that most uh australian international cricketers were using in the 90s.

I said I want it to be that kind of spec. So this is like, it smells beautiful. That English willow, that feeling when you get a new cricket bat. I don't know if you got many new cricket bats in your life, but every time I got a new cricket bat, it was such a big deal. And this has totally got that feeling. Beautiful feel, balance. And this will totally got that feeling. Beautiful feel, balance. And this will be heading in the post to you. Oh, man, that is amazing.

That is awesome. Isn't it beautiful? I love it. I can't tell you how beautiful it is. Yeah. Don't go out and hit a cricket ball with it because it hasn't been properly oiled or knocked in yet. It's made more for display purposes. But it is a real bat.

If you knocked it in and oiled it up, you'd play cricket with it. purposes but it is a real bat if you knocked it in and oiled it up you could you'd play cricket with it but uh yep i've got i've given this to you more as a display piece that you could have framed on the wall or something she's a beauty i love that that is awesome look at that the idea that a piece of sporting equipment has my name on it is absolutely hilarious. That's fantastic. You know, the thing about it's nice with a blocker because, you know, most kids playing cricket just long to slog it.

You just want to slog the ball. But I always wanted to master blocking because I saw them do it, but I'm pretty useless at it. You know what I mean? Like I'm either LBW or the ball just flies. As you know, having bowled to me about a billion times down the driveway, I'm terrible at it. I just misjudge all the time.

So I love it. I'm so jealous that you have a personalized cricket bat. Yeah, yeah. I could have just made one for me, but that's not the joke, is it? Getting one made for yourself is just a little bit pretentious. If anyone sees the pictures and video of it and wants to own one, get in touch. I could have a limited edition run, but these are really,

really bloody expensive. So I don't think anyone's going to buy one. It would be made to order. You're not going to get a hundred made up and then have them in your bedroom ready to sell, are you? No. There we go. That's awesome.

That is awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That is fantastic. All right. are you no there we go that's awesome that is awesome thank you thank you thank you that is fantastic all right i will enjoy um having that in the house and uh and then you know pulling it off the wall a bit of shadow batting in the lounge room yeah a bit of shadow batting in the lounge room that's right i'll see if i can recreate the shadow with the lamp like with the lights you'd

be safe hitting a tennis ball with it without even knocking it in so you could have the girls throw you down a few tennis balls on your hard floor there and you could just like practice that forward defensive shot they're about to be very busy doing that most evenings now all right very nice that's cool thank you very much that's fantastic very well i love it so i always remember i'd pick up the bat in your your room right and i'd just do a few shots or but and just the fact the way i was holding it you would just start giggling like you never appreciated my unique style you can hone your technique now with your very own personalized autographed cricket bat speaking of which coincidentally i was at the gym the other day while my wife was working out and I was having hot chocolate and food. And I was watching the cricket on the wall.

There was a TV on the wall. And currently, as we record now, the T20 Cricket World Cup is being played. And this is when you see some cricketing nations that you wouldn't normally see on the television. And I just so happened to be watching the Dutch cricket team play. And there was this guy up on the screen who was having a blinder. He was taking wickets. He took a catch. He did well with the bat.

He was having a super game. And my goodness, I thought he looked just like you, Tim. He was playing in glasses, which is unusual in cricket in itself. He was a bit of a Tim lookalike. And I thought, this is great. He's Dutch. He looks like Tim. Who is this guy? And I researched who he was i just his surname was pringle that's all i knew

i looked him up on the internet and his name is timothy james pringle and you're timothy james he looks like you he's dutch i mean his mum is actually his dad's not dutch his dad played cricket for new zealand his dad's actually new zealand but his mum's not Dutch. His dad played cricket for New Zealand. His dad's actually a New Zealander. But his mum's Dutch and he's playing cricket for Holland. Timothy James Pringle is now my new favourite cricketer because he's quite a character. He looks like Tim. If there's anyone that can get access to him and get a selfie with him or get his autograph for me,

please do. He's my new man. He was born... 2002, he was born. Timothy James Pringle. Gosh gosh that's recent to be born isn't it that's amazing i know i know check him out people superstar of the game what does he play is he an all-rounder a bowler or batter he's an off spinner he's an off spin bowler by the looks of it nice okay yeah check him out i'm a bit as you know i'm a bit of an off spin bowler too, so that... Yeah. Now you've got your own bat.

Now you're a specialist batsman. Oh, indeed, yes. Just a few parish notices. I think it was the last episode we talked about autograph memorabilia. I think maybe I thought you weren't taking good enough care of autograph memorabilia. You were a bit blasé about it. You know, read your signed books and touch your signed objects. I'm a bit more of a glass cabinet kind of guy. Yeah.

Anyway, we had a few messages from people about autograph memorabilia, and I thought I might share a few. Sure. This one really appealed to me. This came from Virtually Where on our subreddit. When I was at school, I had a crush on a girl whose brother was a professional footballer for the local team i supported we got along really well and spent a lot of time together she even brought me along to a lot of her brother's home games but i never

thought she liked me back for my birthday one year she got one of her brother's worn match shirts with all the players signatures i was surprised and so happy years later after we hadn't spoken for a while she told me she really liked me back at school and i realized how awful i was at noticing the signs so now i have this lovely shirt but whenever i look at it the only thing i can think of is how bad i was at picking up on the hints oh those break my heart stories like that. Such a typical young guy. Yeah. Clueless.

Yeah. Absolutely clueless. I'm sorry for you, Virtuallyware. All right. This is another one from the Reddit, and I think you'll like this one. This comes from Robert Ely, 1990. I have a copy of Summer Days and Summer Nights signed by three of the Beach Boys, Al Jardine, Mike Love and Bruce Johnston.

I got these signatures myself, bringing the record to shows and hanging out by back doors and such, hoping to meet them. I have it in a special liner to protect the signatures from the friction of being up against other records and shifting. However, it's still with my other records

and is my playing copy. Pulling it out and listening to it while looking at the signatures and remembering the concerts is very fun. Still hoping to get Brian Wilson, but it's a very hard prospect now. Can I just say, before we talk about the Beach Boys and whatever other music stuff you want to bore us with,

putting it in the liner and then putting it in with the other records is not sufficient protection because the liner is still going to rub against the signatures when putting it in with the other records Is not sufficient protection Because the liner is still going to rub against the signatures When it rubs against the other records Take it away from the other records Put it somewhere where there will be no rubbing and friction The plastic liner is not good enough

Plastic liner is a good protection But not for your signatures So you'd put it behind glass What would you do if you had a signed Beach Boys? I mean it's okay to have it out But don't have it pressed against other records this the face that has the signatures on it should not be pressed against anything it shouldn't be rubbing against anything this is dangerous okay if there's movement there is it could be between two careful books or

something i don't know i just i just feel i feel anxious just thinking about that obviously he's also missing carl wilson but carl wilson died, so he's not going to get him. But you could still get Brian Wilson. No, he's not going to get him. Yeah. You love the Beach Boys. In a sense, I think you kind of introduced me to the Beach Boys. Yeah, my dad was a big Beach Boys fan and got me into it.

I went and saw the Beach Boys with my dad and John Stamos on drums. Yes, I remember you talking about that. Right when Full House was a really massive show, the first time around. I watched an interview with John Stamos on TV just three three or four days ago and they were talking again they were talking about the beach boys mike love was interviewed what does he do is he still he's got some new tv show where he plays a sports coach or something so he was plugging some new tv show but all they wanted to talk about was the beach boys and full house right yeah yeah well he's not he's not going to get away with not talking about those two things they're the only two things he's ever done

i know he's a lot older now but he's still going to get away with not talking about those two things. They're the only two things he's ever done. I know. He's a lot older now, but he's still a hundred times more handsome than us. Because we're a lot older too, of course. It's not like we've been preserved and he's like aging alone. Does he still wear like all black, like his character in Full House? I don't think so. And he hasn't got that mullet and stuff. No, he's evolved a bit.

He still takes his acting very... He still thinks he's a pretty serious actor. I'm not so sure. Right, okay. Can I just say, by the way, that you saved us from me talking about the Beach Boys, but you somehow got us onto Full House. So that's not necessarily...

Anyway, continue on. All right. This is one for the video game fans. It won't mean much to you, Tim, but, you know, we've got to cater to our audience. This comes from Andreas in Sweden. I'm a listener since episode one and finally have something to contribute to the show. More than a decade ago,

I made a fan flash game for the video game Halo, and it got enough attention that Microsoft licensed it from me for a bonus disc for Halo 3. In return, I'd get a new console and the game. As it were, the delivery from them got delayed by several months, which was a bummer, as then I couldn't play the game when it was released. When it did eventually arrive, though, it was the legendary collector's't play the game when it was released. When it did eventually arrive though, it was the legendary collector's edition of the game, which includes a replica of the helmet the main character wears in the game.

To my surprise, the helmet had been signed by a whole range of people on the development team. I'm suspecting they put in the effort to arrange this as compensation for the delay. It stood at the top of my bookshelf for half a decade until I moved apartments, and since it has been retired to its original box. As it's an item with personal history, I have a hard time even imagining selling it, but I do wonder what it would go for.

I'm attaching a picture. Feel free to repost if desired. So a signed Halo helmet signed by the developers of the famous halo game pretty cool if you're into that sort of thing yeah well you know i have actually played halo yeah i know halo yeah yeah did you did you buy it thinking it was going to be about angels and stuff this is a game to teach kids how to be like angels i um no no it was just a i can't remember where i first played it. I think it was like the youth ministry at our church.

The youth group had a couple of Xboxes and a Halo and I borrowed it one summer when the rallies were coming over. It's good fun. It's quite addictive. Do you know one of my favourite BBC stories I did? I was quite like, I developed a bit of a reputation at my little BBC newsroom for finding unusual ways to report on stories. And one day they were having a big video game conference, not conference, a big video game experience day in the main square of Nottingham with all sorts of games you could play on big screens and booths and tents and things.

And they were trying to introduce people to the fun of video games and stuff. And my producer, who was a bit of an old grouchy guy, said, oh, I guess we've got to do a story about this. Brady, you can go and do it. Can you go and do a story about this thing and try and make it interesting? I've got no idea about video games. I find them boring. I don't even think we should be doing it, but Brady, go and do it. So, I thought, how am I going to make this interesting to my crotchety old producer? So, my idea was, I found out when his lunch break was like 12 till 1 and I said come on Kevin you're coming for your lunch break with me and I took my video camera and I took him to the main square

and I made him play all the video games in his lunch break and filmed him so I made the story about my producers made me do this story he thinks it's boring let's see if he thinks it's boring after an hour so the story was me taking my producer for the square for the day playing games it was very good fun I enjoyed it very much. And he put it on the news that night. So he put himself on the news that night. Cool. That's nice.

All right. Last one. Hi, Tim and Brady. Listening to the latest episode reminded me of the recent discovery I made in my wardrobe. I have a Michael Schumacher World Champion 2000 cap signed by none other than myself. I signed it at the age of seven to give to Michael when I won my first Formula One World Championship as a thank you for the inspiration he gave me. I decided against wearing it to the recent Italian Grand Prix as I wanted to preserve it and the signature just in case. Thanks for the podcast from a future f1 world champion

anthony d oh that is cool i like that a lot that is fantastic anthony yeah well done i love it very well that's nice okay podcast ideas that's our stock and trade you're gonna go first i've just got a short one i haven't really fleshed it out yet i want other people to listen to it and give us ideas and maybe tim you'll have some ideas. My idea for a podcast is called Back From The Dead. And this is where you do a bit of a thought experiment, where you bring someone back from the dead for a day or two, for whatever reasons you want to bring them back,

and you discuss who that person is and why you bring them back. And from the outset, I want to preclude loved ones, because I think it goes without saying that we all have loved ones that we would love to bring back for just a few more days and of course so i don't want to make it about that that's taken as an absolute given that we would all love to bring some loved ones back for a little bit more time this is people you have no personal connection to but you think would be interesting there are some obvious ones there are some unobvious ones i'll tell you the one that got me thinking about it. This is who I want to bring back from the dead for just a few days.

And that is a woman called Lisa Gerardini. Lisa Gerardini lived from June 15, 1479 to July 15, 1542. She was an Italian noblewoman. She married a famous merchant. And the reason she's reasonably famous is her husband commissioned a painting of her that we now know as the Mona Lisa. Oh, yes. So, this is a woman who would have very easily been lost to history, except for this painting by Leonardo da Vinci. And I would love to bring her back from the dead for two or three days

and just wander around Paris with her. Because I love the idea of her coming back, like, what is it? Nearly 500 years after her death and seeing her picture absolutely everywhere. In every gift shop, on pairs of socks, on plates, on spoons. And, of course, on the famous painting itself that people queue for hours to go and see. I would love to bring her back just so she can see what impact that painting she sat for has had on the world. Yeah, that's nice. It would be nice to see the sort of innocent reply that most people get.

You know, like you take her in and line up and the crowds are there and then you finally get to the front and she go oh that turned out quite nice i don't like it it makes my nose look big you could ask her which way are you looking are you looking left or right or which way were you looking what are you smiling at where are you smiling what's going on what's going on. What's, you know. What are you thinking? What are you thinking about? Yeah. I wonder if she would shed any light on that painting.

That would be of true value. Like something really interesting about it. What could she say that would be interesting? The most interesting would be if she'd had an affair with Da Vinci, I guess. That would be quite exciting. Indeed, indeed. Yeah. Of course, we presume she looks very much like the painting.

Because he's a great painter, we assume, well, it must look. But, of course, it might be a very bad rendition of her. You know, it's just a lovely painting because it looks like a woman, but she might look quite different. And we go, oh, hello, he's not really done your ears very well, has he? He's left off your glasses. What's going on? That's a good one.

That's a good one to get back to have a bit of a quick chat with. I like that. I like that. There are, of course, moments in history that you think, oh, if I could have a witness to this, even if they were reasonably unknown, you'd like to. Yeah, you're not allowed to go back. You can't go back.

You can only bring someone back and have a chat to them. Who are you going to bring back for a chat? Is it going to be some boring theologian like you know martin luther or something or like you know like thomas aquinas why on earth would i get a theologian to get to talk about what they thought a few hundred years ago from why wouldn't i go back to the original source and get one of the disciples or something like that yeah which disciple would you bring back for a couple of days of coffees and chat? I would probably bring, I guess, probably Peter. Got to be Peter.

Got to be Peter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. One of the apostles like Paul to explain, but probably Peter. What about a bit of Judas just to mix things up? Judas, what were you thinking? Was it the cash?

What on earth were you thinking? Was it the cash? What on earth were you thinking? Imagine that. Did you know that your name would become... Imagine bringing Judas back and him realising his name, because of him, has now become synonymous with betrayal. It'd be great to bring him to someone. That's exactly right. Oh, gosh.

I didn't think I was going to. I didn't think it was that bad. Imagine if he'd be really, if Judas came back and even having hung out with Jesus and become this infamous figure through history is just really, really chuffed that it was his name that was thrown at Bob Dylan for turning electric. You know, it's like, woo, Bob Dylan was called me. That's awesome. That's an intriguing question. It's a good spin. It's a bit of a good spin on the who would you have over for dinner in your ultimate dinner kind of point because it's not just someone.

It is just an individual person and you'd like to think it would be better to get someone like the Mona Lisa from a certain circumstance necessarily than just a famous person to ask them something when lots of other people would ask them a similar thing. Another twist on it is not just to get someone back from the dead to ask them an insightful thing about the past, but to get them back from the dead into the future to ask their perspective on something in the future. Oh, yeah, that's one of the main things I like about the idea. I want to see how they react to, you know, what the future turned out like. You know, particularly, you know, inventors and people like Tesla and that would be great to bring to the fore

and show him a Tesla car. I mean, to get Nikola Tesla driving a Tesla would be a huge marketing opportunity. It certainly would. Like to get Steve Jobs to come and say, ah, look, they've... What do you think of the iPhone 14? They haven't just moved the jack from the top to the bottom. They've done away with the cord altogether.

Wow. Look at this. Three lenses on the camera. He'd be so disappointed by how thick those iPhones are getting. I know. They're getting bigger. The whole point is to get smaller. I know.

It's ridiculous. Is there a particular sporting person that you would like in particular to bring back? Oh, that's a good question. We talk about Sir Donald Bradman, but you spoke to him on the phone once, didn't you? Yeah, well, briefly. The Great Don? Yeah, the Don.

I don't know. I mean, he hasn't been dead that long. No. So? I don't know. I'll think more about it. We would love to hear who you would like to bring back from the dead and why.

So you can email us, unmadefm at gmail.com. You can go to the subreddit, Twitter, you know, all those usual places. And if you suggest some good ones, maybe we'll discuss it next episode this episode has been supported by hover the domain registrar go to hover.com slash unmade that gives you 10 off your first purchase with hover hover is a fantastic resource for registering domains whether for a website for a future website just to divert the domain to somewhere else on the web i have a whole bunch of domains registered with hover tim has a growing little collection on the side too i understand i do and i'm transferring one

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But, of course, all these people never got the chance to do that. So they'd want to go on and quickly just buy up everything associated with alberteinstein.com. Yeah, I liked i liked i think they would i'm just having a look what judas ones are available if judas was here judas.website judas.website 24.99 uh plus 10 discount if you use hover.com slash unmade 30 pieces of silver discount if you get very nice what was judas's occupation was he a tax collector or something he was he was something money related wasn't it he was the he was the treasurer of the sort of band of disciples like he was the one that kept the purse oh yeah and um yeah yeah so

it was a bit stingy so when someone was really generous, Judas was the one. Like this woman brought in expensive perfume as a sign of worship and favour to Jesus and like, you know, rubbed it on him and stuff. And Jesus and Judas was like, oh, well, that sounds like that's a bit of a waste of perfume, isn't it? You know, and Jesus is like, are you serious? This woman's trying to be, you know, express her love. Maybe he just didn't want Jesus taking gifts of value Because there were tax implications He was protecting him If he's a money man

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Go to Hover.com slash unmade. Thank you, Hover, for supporting us and for giving us so many Judas website options. Nice, Hover. The name Judas isn't coming back, isn't it? You know how, like, old names come back sometimes? Judas isn't coming back. No one's going to redeem.

There are no future Judi. You think it's in the adult category of uh i think it's highly out of fashion yeah and now it's time for now you say you've you've got a spoon, is that right? I'm not going to require you to delve into the family archive today because I'm delivering the spoons. I, a couple of weeks ago, went to Greece for a holiday. Oh, yes. And so obviously I was thinking I'm going to have to get a Greece spoon

for Spoon of the Week. But literally a day or two before I went, i went to our unmade mailbox where i encourage people to send spoons if they so wish and a spoon had arrived with a postcard and funnily enough it was from greece and it was from a greek place that has some meaning to me it came with this postcard and i'll read the postcard to you it says dear, Dear Dr. Brady and Tim, I trust this spoon has made its way safely to you and is a worthy addition to the Unmade Podcast collection. The spoon itself was acquired in such dull circumstances, it's not worth recounting.

Keep up the good work, two loyal Unmade listeners. And the postcard and the spoon itself come from the Greek island of Skiathos. You can see on the handle of the spoon there is a lovely, shiny metallic rendition of the island. Never heard of it, yep. And in the scoopy bit, there's like a nice enameled metallic picture of Skiathos. And you say I've never heard of it. And funnily enough, most people I mention Skiathos to have never heard of it.

But it has some meaning to me because my first ever holiday to greece with an ex-girlfriend actually was to skiathos and i'd never heard of it either and so often when i talk about you know greece and places i've been in greece i always mention skiathos and everyone always just looks blankly at me so the fact that of all the places in greece i would get a spoon from from a listener it was skiathos was quite a nice coincidence and thank you for sending it anonymous listeners i'll send that over to tim to be added to the main canon collection but where i went to greece i went to a place called uh helkidiki which you've probably never heard of as well it's just like a seaside resorty town.

And the spoon I got, I struggled to find metallic spoons at first, so I got this great big porcelain spoon with a painting on it. There'll be pictures of it in the notes and I'll send it to Tim. It's sort of quite like the spoon that John Green showed us when he was on the show and he showed us a souvenir spoon. It's of that ilk, a great big porcelain spoon. That's a spoon that you, I think it's one of those ones where you rest your spoon, your tasting spoon when you're cooking on.

Is that right? It sort of sits on the bench and then as you, you know how you have a spoon when you're cooking and you sort of taste things and you don't want to put it in the drawer and you don't want to get a new spoon every time. So you sort of rest it on that spoon. So it's a spoon for your spoon. It's a spoon spoon. It is.

It's a spoon spoon. Yeah is. It's a spoon spoon. Yeah. Spoon holder spoon. There we go. The thing that you would have liked about Helcadiki, though, was I had to fly into Thessaloniki Airport. And Thessalonia would be a place of great interest to you, I imagine, because of the Bible and the Book of Thessalonians.

That's right. Yeah. The two books, the two letters to the church in Thessalonica. Indeed, two books of the Bible. So, yeah, I didn't do any Bible tourism, but I was nearby. Nice. He did some spoon tourism. Yeah.

There we go. Pictures of those spoons in the show notes, along with some details of how you can send us a spoon if you are so inclined. But now it's time for prizes. And, Tim, why don't you crack out the guitar oh nice here we go here we go all right so this is the part of the show where unmade podcast stakeholders patreon supporters uh receive prizes and you can become a supporter by going to patreon.com slash unmadefm. Tim's going to just riff a bit while I tell you who the winners are today.

Nice. Nice guitar face too, man. Oh, yeah. I'm just writing something here. Hang on. Just let it flow. Don't man. Oh, yeah. I'm just writing something here. Hang on. Just let it flow. Don't think. Don't think.

Don't think. Okay. Don't think. Just play. Okay. So an unmade podcast souvenir spoon is going to be sent to Kent in New South Wales, Australia. I don't think Tim even heard that. Kent in New South Wales, South Australia. Nice.

A sofa shop mixtape is going to Grant from New York, New York. New York, New York. How does that... Start spreading the news. Oh, what's that? That's snazzy. Well, well, through the city on the 4th of July, got a firecracker waiting to glow.

Heading to the something, something, something, the cities of Mexico that one was for you Grant something else the Ryan Adams sings something

and he goes up high and he goes on and on and he goes I always loved you know New York do you know

that song New York New York New York by Ryan Adams perhaps I did know I know it less now after you played it.

Who are we going to see? We're going to be sending Spoon of the Week collector cards, just a handful of cards to start your collection. There's been a bit of trading going on lately, I've noticed, online, so keep trading your cards, people, but we're going to be releasing more cards into the wild. Firstly to Gene in Ireland. I don't know.

You don't have to sing a song named after every person. You can just go, Gene. I'm just now, I'm trying to get the chords right for the New York, New York song. Oh, let it go, man. Let it go. We've moved on to Gene now. It's Gene's moment in the sun. We've had New York.

I should be playing something from the Cranberries, shouldn't I? There you go, Gene in Ireland, well done And we also have, oh here we go Francis in Washington State I thought you might have a grunge there Washington State Oh, Washington State, that's where Seattle is, is that right? It is, yes, yes

Alright, very good That's where Seattle is, is that right? It is, yes, yes. All right, very good. Then we have Matthew F. in Illinois. Oh, Illinois, I need to play some Sufjan Stevens album. I don't know it, though. All right. How about Axel in Denmark? Axel, so I should be playing some Guns N' Roses.

Different spelling, but yes. Can you play any Guns N' Roses. Different spelling, but yes. Can you play any Guns N' Roses? Or can you just sing a bit? Just do a bit of Axel Rose for us. You must do a good Axel. Ooh, just a little patient. No, I wanted something a bit more screamy, a bit of Paradise City or something. Aye, City or something. Yeah, that's it.

All right. And last but not least, Christoph from Munich is also going to get some cards. Munich, Munich, something German. David Hasselhoff, maybe. He was big in Germany for a while. All right. There we go. Thank you, Tim, for...

Follow the muskwad. Down to Gorgie Park. Watch into the wind of change. Down to Gorgie Park All right. Rushing to the wind of change And now it's time for... Moon of the Moon You don't get the guitar for this. I'm putting it away. All right.

Rightly so. Away goes the guitar. So I have been sort uh casting about for moon ideas that are not actual moons like fictional moons or other moon ideas and i had one come from greg one of our listeners who suggested i talk and research about moons over my hamm, which I'd never heard of, but apparently is a really iconic and popular sandwich to order at the Denny's restaurant chain in the US. It's a classic ham and scrambled egg sandwich with cheeses on grilled sourdough, often served with hash browns, and it looks delicious. And I was wondering where this name came from. It seemed like an odd thing to call.

It's actually inspired by the 1935 jazz song Moon Over Miami, which was by the songwriters Joe Burke and Edgar Leslie, and the music was used in the 1941 film Moon Over Miami, played during the opening credits and also played during a couple of dance parties during the film. So it's this famous song and they called the sandwich moons over my hammy instead of miami because they you know obviously thought they were being clever with the ham and it used to have two fried eggs on the

top that looked like two moons on top of the ham moons over the hammy but of course that sandwich has since evolved since the 1990s when it was introduced and now they use scrambled eggs instead of two fried eggs so the moon's joke no longer makes any sense whatsoever but they still call the sandwich moons over my hammy right so there you go that's the story behind it shaved ham two fluffy scrambled eggs two slices of swiss cheese and two slices of american cheese on grilled sourdough bread for a very limited time uh a few years back over halloween uh 20 denny's restaurants in the miami-dade area made blue moons over miami where they actually used blue sourdough bread everything else was the same but they had a blue sandwich just thought i'd share

that i want you to know everything there is to know about the moons over my hammy sandwich there you go well there's certainly a lot of internet search websites for it yeah there's a lot of recipes online to make your own pirate versions of the moons over my hammy uh sandwich but the authentic one apparently is from denny's i've never had had one. If you have, tell us what it's like. And now, Tim, aren't you wishing I did a real moon? Yes, I am. I'm just waiting to go, where is this going? And I'm suddenly realising it's going nowhere. That's a moon.

It's a different kind of moon. It's a moon sandwich. Are they a new sponsor? What's going on? No. No, they're not. In fairness, I always think Denny's looks a bit greasy and yucky just to balance out the free advertising they just got.

I don't think I've ever eaten there. Okay, well, no, fair enough. Glad I put the guitar away for that one. All right. Moon over Miami. Tim, have you got a podcast idea? I know you have because you've been bigging it up on the side. This better be good after all the bigging up you've done.

No, that's not fair. Here, ladies and gentlemen, introducing the best idea ever presented on the Unmade Podcast. Take it away, Tim. Well, how do you follow moons over my hammy? I mean, really, it's going to be a letdown after that. I've made it easier for you, haven't I? That's true.

Look, I need a bit to introduce this idea a little bit, give it a little bit of context. And that is to say that this week, despite having ridden a little Vespa scooter around the city for several years, most recently, I've never in Adelaide had my motorbike license. And this week went and got it. I know you won't like this because you don't like motorbikes at all, but I do. And I was sick of driving a little Vespa that's like 50cc and under, which you can do with your normal driver's license in Adelaide. I wanted to get a slightly bigger bike, which meant that I needed to get my motorbike license properly. So the way it happens in Adelaide is that you've got to go,

I've got to get my L's again. This is L for learner. This is a learner's permit. That's right, a learner's permit. It's actually called a LAMS with motorbike, which is like learner something motorcycle, motorcycle S something. Anyway, so to do that, you have to pay and then go and do a two-day course,

a training course. And in order to get into a course nice and quickly, I went and did it out at Murray Bridge, which is about an hour down the freeway, just this sort of small town near the Murray River. Hence the name Murray Bridge. It's a bridge over the River Murray, in case you can't figure that out. Yes, that's certainly quite the coincidence. And I went up there to

do this course and it was pretty it was pretty interesting actually because it was on their show grounds which is like this where they have fairs it's like big open area big slab of asphalt there's like a couple of portable small buildings up one end so i sort of turned up wondering how official and legit is this it's all pretty low-fi but i knew i had the right place because there's a row of motorbikes they're lined up and i went inside and there's just a couple of legends couple of guys with a dvd player and a tv and a whiteboard and a couple of texters and that's the training day and i i thought here we go it's a pretty drizzly day what's this going to be like but I have to say

it began two of the most enjoyable days I've had for a long time not just the fun riding stuff outside but I have to say there's something there's something about the little community that forms during a training day and my podcast idea is about training days and experiences at training days because these two these two legends took us through like it's like a little community that forms and everyone has a certain role and there are certain things you look for in in every training day and throughout this day i was sort of not just participating in it but sort of observing waiting for that training day moment to happen and ticking them sort of off in in in my mind yeah and it and it didn't let me down it was it was really really awesome oh lovely did you have was there an ethan hawk denzel washington training day moment where someone planted a bunch of drugs on you or

something or no there was that's not the training day experience i was thinking of no right it wasn't it was more of the it was thinking of. No, it wasn't. It was more of the, you know, at the workplace, you get pulled together one day, someone's coming in and you get pulled into a different room and you're going to spend the day learning how to use a new piece of software. Yeah. And TV shows like The Office have had scenes and episodes that are based around this kind of experience.

But they ring true because I've had so many days that are exactly like that. And it was just wonderful to be like an, I don't know, an adult and to come into an environment like that. And like this particular one, I'll tell you a little bit about this one and then some of the things that occurred that are very, very typical. And you can maybe share some of your experiences

of training days as well. Yeah. One of the cool things about it was the, because it was a motorcycle day, very typical and you can maybe share some of your experiences of training days as well yeah one of the cool things about it was the because it was a motorcycle day that there was the one guy in the room who didn't think he needed to be doing the course like in fact one of the challenges he had was that everyone's there who probably already knows how to ride a motorcycle but of course the course has to start with the basics how to ride a motorbike yeah but and so we're all sort of like being polite but we all sort of know this bit

but there's one guy that you know through the whole course already and you can pick him quite early thinks he he knows more about motorbikes than the guy up the front because he feels and he feels a little bit and he feels a little bit like demasculated by the fact he's having to sit there and be told stuff and And he wants to make it. He really wants to remedy that. He's bursting, right? To just be able to get up there and say it better than the person up there. Or to add in extra information that shows.

It's a question that's not a question. It's a question that's here's a question where i get to show that i know more about this and can actually answer this question for myself would that still be the case if it was a 125 cc overstroke hybrid model from the 1938 triath collection that's right which is what i have so there were there were two there was actually two guys a bit like this and i i it was out on the range actually that i i heard them being they were at their finest and being addressed one of them was when we'd done a it's like a basic weaving kind of thing and one of the instructors came over to the guy he was further down the line so i

couldn't see precisely um what it was that he had done but basically saying okay i can tell that you have a lot of experience riding motorbikes. Okay. I can tell that. But if you're going to do that here today, even though I know you'll get away with it and you'll be perfectly fine and you know how to do it, that's going to be confusing for all these other guys who don't know what to do the right way. So can you please just do it the way that I've said, you know,

in a really put the guy back in his place kind of voice, which inside, it's terrible, but I enjoyed, like I just so enjoyed watching him get put back in his place. The other one was when I just pulled up next to a guy and I caught the last bit of the conversation between this guy and one of the instructors. And the last thing I heard from the instructor was simply saying, but if you do, you'll get caught. And then the other guy saying well i've won many

trophies doing it so i don't think so and that's all like awesome awesome i love this guy so if i was talking to someone else from the course right yeah who were you how would they describe you what cliche guy are you on the course that's a good question i was my my inside i was trying to be the good student right like the good mature age student because i didn't want to fail and have to come back and do the whole thing again yeah so i was trying to do everything exactly as he told me and be really polite and all that kind of stuff but i think i'm kind of the guy i'm sure there's a there's a bit of me in there that thought i don't need to be doing this or yeah i'm i'm so good i'm so mature at this that i'm going to be

nice even though i'm this is all beneath me you know what i mean like i'm uh i'm totally the joker like and so often i go to courses with my wife and she says please just not today don't be the don't be funny today i so wished you'd been there so we could do that together i'm i'm i'm that guy when you're there and i love it one particular genre of training course that i'm sure you did a million of and i've and i'm fresh off doing recently uh baby courses before you have a baby oh and you go to all these like training courses. I went to one and there was one guy there who was an absolute classic.

I can't even remember what the course was about. Was it? I think it was about how birth works or something like that. What to expect during childbirth. And I'd been to a million of these courses. So, I felt like, you know, I could deliver a baby now. That's how well qualified I felt. But this guy had been dragged along and he was a bit of a geezer.

He was a bit of a, like a football fan. And he was, he clearly was a bit of a Jake the lad. And he obviously had not been to many courses and his pregnant wife had finally dragged him along to his first course. And we were talking about all the things that were going to happen and stuff like that. We're talking about how you have a lot of control over the birth and you can request things that you want and don't want. And was absolutely adamant that he didn't want you know instruments used that

they sometimes use to assist the birth if it's a difficult birth and no one wants those instruments used obviously that you know then it's not you know it's not the ideal scenario but it's a thing that happens but he was really really adamant that he didn't want them used and we were like oh fair enough you know everyone has their own feelings you know what what why don't you want them to use these instruments to help you know pull the baby out and he's like oh i've heard that it makes your baby have like this cone-shaped head which is true there are these various instruments that as a result your baby will have quite a cone-shaped head for like for a little while for a few days or for a week or two yeah exactly so so he said i

don't want my baby to have this cone-shaped head and and we were like we were like okay like fair enough but you know like that that goes away after a few days right you know and he's like oh it goes away it goes away i didn't realize that and i i couldn't help myself and i said to him dude how many people do you see walking around with cone-shaped heads or do you think they're all being sent off to some island there's this island of cone-shaped head people like clearly it goes away or there'd be cone-shaped head people and he's like i didn't know i just thought your baby would just have this big long cone head forever but he was he was so funny because the lady, the training lady,

was telling us all these things to expect. And the first time you hear some of this stuff, it's quite eye-opening and it's quite confronting sort of the physical things that happen. And every now and he kept like, this guy just was going pale and he looked really shocked. And he kept looking over to me as the more experienced guy. Yeah. Still no baby, but I've been to some courses

Looking at me going Is that true? And I just nodded I'd nod back and go Yeah man That's what's going to happen He's like I can't believe it

He was like He was weeks away From having a baby And he was just like Being absolutely blown away by Because your specialist knowledge Of coneheads He's now looking to you

As an authority figure on all other areas of life and birth as well. He was such a good character. He made the training course because he was just this like blank canvas. But you do get some, you get interesting people on those courses, like interesting.

Again, you get the worst person to have is someone who's a doctor because they're like your motorbike guys because they're a doctor. So they know everything already. And they're like, youbike guys because they've that they're a doctor so they know everything already and they're like you know yeah well when we're in you know at my hospital we do this and that like oh for goodness sake i tell you what's not good as well is a presenter who knows there's an expert in the room who keeps defaulting to them all the time like instead of just presenting their material they go oh look what you know sally will probably

you know have something to say about this but uh you know we do is that right s what you know sally will probably you know have something to say about this but you know we do is that right sally you know and and you're forever like look you're you just have confidence in yourself and say what it is yeah that happens sometimes with at my workplace because we have you know they'll be saying in the greek this word is this and they'll turn to the biblical scholar and say oh is that right or you know as you know you know and yeah yeah it's it's awkward when it happens all the time i have to say i was a little bit of the participant who when like because i walked into the room and there's like it's like the same middle-aged guy wearing the same dark motorbike like they're all motorbike guys right so i walked and i go wow he's like 10 versions

of the same guy and then like me and so so 10 versions of the same guy. And then like me. And so. So 11 versions of the same guy. Yeah. He's a motorbike guy, right? They're all the same sort of semi-ruralish farmer-ish kind of guy, you know. But what that meant is that they, no one wanted, they're certainly not the type to ask active questions all the way through. Like, oh, can I, can you please clarify that for us i don't i didn't understand that i'm sorry yeah i'm not sure i'm lacking confidence there was a whole lot of um

now are there any questions no and i'm the guy because i teach i guess i have this that i can't stand that pause i feel like i'm scrambling i've got to think of a question just so they'll feel better so i'm forever just like we'll come in off the drive and i'll just say oh look i haven't got a question but can i just say that what you said in that last session about holding the clutch that was so helpful that's so true isn't it and then the person gets to go it is true and then they explain yet again the anecdote they said before about why it's true and like okay well he feels better because he's had someone in just in some level of feedback and engagement yeah he also thought you were a moron and failed you. That's right.

That guy took, he was a bit of a slow learner on the clutch. That Tim guy obviously doesn't know much about motorbikes. The other thing was in break time, you know, there's like break time. It's all right, guys, let's take 10 minutes breaks. Everyone walks outside and stares at their phone for about 10 minutes yeah and then they look up from their phones and just look at nothing yeah and no one you know australian males are like no one says a word yeah like there's 10 guys standing in close proximity and someone doesn't say hey guys so what's your name and you know what do you like to do you know like they all just stand there

awkwardly staring at the ground avoiding eye eye contact and stuff. Do you remember when that guy, there was a little bit of this in these guys, but not so much. And that is the archetype of the really tough guy presenter. And these guys weren't like that. But do you remember that guy who came to our school to, he was the police officer whose job was to go to the school. Make no bones. Just to scare the absolute crap out of us about driving. Yeah. And he was. He always said, make no bones. Make no bones. Just scare the absolute crap out of us about driving. Yeah. And he was.

He always said, make no bones. He said. Make no bones. If you drive a car too fast, make no bones. You'll all be dead in 10 weeks. Showing your pictures of cars. Look to the left and look to the right. One of those people will not survive to 25.

Like it's like we're all going to be in dead in car accidents and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that was, he was one of those guys who's one of those police officers when you, maybe his life ambition when he joined the police force was to be the guy that goes out to schools to scare kids and inform them about safe driving. Or maybe he was just on desk duties and had his gun taken away for discipline reasons.

Like, because there was just that edge about him, you know. Maybe he failed the running test. Yeah, that's right. He just sort of strides back in. You know, he's a tall guy, big belt, striding back and forth in front of these skinny little 15-year-olds and so forth, just talking tough. Yeah, he goes home to his kids and they're like did you shoot someone today dad no but i scared the bejesus out of a

bunch of 18 year olds there was a bit of that in the the good cliches of the guys that were presenting to us like there was a lot of talk in that i can't if i had a dollar for every time I heard the phrase, sure, that sounds all right in here, but out there, it's a different story. There's a lot of contrasting between in here, but out there. Out there on the road. Like it's Mad Max. Someone would ask something and he'd go, sure, that's fine. In here, but out there. I was almost saying it along with him by the end of the second day.

I went to one of those speed awareness courses that you sometimes do if you get like a speed camera fine. And rather than getting points on your license over here, you can do this course instead where you go for a couple of hours and they teach you what roadsides mean. You know, so you basically fall on your sword rather than taking the hit and i thought it was going to be cool because they were going to show you lots of like videos of high speed crashes and to scare you and i wanted to be scared i loved the idea of being shown all these cool crashes but in the end it was like it was deadly boring and they didn't show you any cool stuff they just told you about a bunch of rules and what signs mean and stuff like that and it was so boring there was one guy down the back who kept falling asleep and he fell asleep so many times in the course they told him if you fall asleep one more time you're not going

to have been counted as having done the course and you're going to get the points on your license he was there trying to keep his eyes open almost holding his eyes open it was so dull but he kept snoring he just kept waiting for him to start snoring again down the back they they have their own little rhythm those things don't they they do you're right you're right it's a great it's a great idea it's a great idea because everyone's got stories and there are all those cliche people it would actually potentially be quite a funny fictitious podcast like and like a you know an acted podcast where you're doing a training course like it could be like quite a good podcast play.

I imagine you could have some fun with it, with your two trainers at the front and all your clichéd people. Yeah, lots of different scenarios. That's right. Early instructions about when break times would be and where the toilets are and all that kind of stuff. Reminders to turn your mobile phone off and so forth. I have to tell you now, just in case, if there's a fire,

use that door over there. They always have to do it, yeah. That's right. It's always the joke, most important thing first, the toilets and the doors to the left. Nice idea. Nice idea. Training day day Secret words

Why did you have to say that? Did you forget them? Yep We've gone nowhere near the words No? Oh gosh How could we have gone near them? What topics would have taken us near your secret words from your daughters?

Speaking of food They're food related They're both food related? They both are food related What are you thinking of having for dinner later uh well how is that relevant like i don't know something vegetarian maybe yeah kale kale would be nice yeah anything else you might thinking of doing dinner related no no we're now Now that we've dealt with that business I thought we might finish the show with another Man in Black song submission That's come in

We've had a few come in Still coming? Yeah, we've had a few come in I'll just play one This comes from someone called Tim in North Carolina Hello Brady and Tim I'm a little late to the party But please find attached my

submission for the Man in Black Listener Song Development Challenge, the MIBLSDC. I have not heard it called that before, but there we go. Below are the lyrics to the song. It would behoove the listener to recall that at 54 minutes and 58 seconds of episode 115, Tim breaks the news to Brady that he's actually not wearing black, he's wearing blue. It should also be said that as far as my vocal talents go, I'm a pretty good guitar player. So here is a heavy metal version of The Man in Black The Man in Black is back Oh, you say he's back The Man in Black

The Man in Black in a black cap It's a nice black cap It's Monday night Another hot night At the Podmite The Hot Podmite It's Monday night, a lonely man and a street light Gosh, that light is bright Spoons and moons and hot air balloons are we but spoons

Are we but spoons And hot air balloons are wee buffoons Stones and moons and hot air balloons They measure curtains too The man in black, yo, he ain't wack The man in black That man in black wears blue, in fact, he's not in black Spoons and moons and hot air balloons, are we but fools? Spoons and moons and hot air balloons, they met your curtains too Who is it, Matt? Who's the nice?

The man in black or the man in blue And they met your curtains too Yeah!