The Unmade Podcast - 119: The Biggest Moon of Uranus

Episode Date: November 17, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So just before, you know when David Letterman would start Late Night with David Letterman or what's it called, The Late Show with David Letterman, he would do that run across the stage as a final little boost before he went on air. Did you ever notice that in the back? Right. Just before the start as they were doing the, and now here's Paul Schaefer and the CBS orchestra, you know,
Starting point is 00:00:23 then you'd see a little man running across. And it was Dave just sprinting across the stage to get that little pump of adrenaline before the show. Nice. I feel like I need to do one of those before we record today. I need to do a lot of those. Do you want to do a run? Can you do a run around your desk or around the room or something too? I'll just do it on the spot, man.
Starting point is 00:00:46 I'll just do a few arm curls. You can do a run if you want. All right, all right. Hang on, hang on. Okay. Go on. Go on, then. Do a run.
Starting point is 00:00:52 There he goes. On he goes. He's vanished. I see nothing. I see nothing. He's back. Here we go. See, now I'm pumping.
Starting point is 00:01:00 This is good. Does that feel better? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Should we get cracking with some parish notices? Oh, yes. Have you got some stuff? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:11 I've got lots. First of all, I want to deal with some Patreon housekeeping. I'm sure you've been following the news on Twitter, Tim, how people are now buying their verification ticks, which means you can finally get a tick on Twitter. Are you going to pay $8 a month for a tick? Well, I know you've been on to me about getting one because I think you find it easier to find my tweets if you just go through your list of authorised people or something, right?
Starting point is 00:01:37 Yeah, that was before you had to pay for them. I tried to get you verified. I contacted people I know who work at Twitter to try and get you a tick and I couldn't do it. It's all out the window now anyway. Not because you're not worthy, just because it's just hard to do. Oh, because I'm not worthy. If I was worthy, it would be easy to do.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Anyway, all you got to do now is pay $8 a month. This has caused all sorts of controversy and unhappiness and hoo-ha. That seems to be breaking the very point of having a verify tick. Of course. Of course it is. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But it has inspired me.
Starting point is 00:02:12 And I've created a new tier on Patreon, an $8 tier. And anyone who supports us at the $8 level gets a tick from us. You'll get it on the list we publish on the internet. And I'm also going to send ticks out to people. So if you're at $8 or above, you can expect a tick from us. And you're unverified by the Unmade podcast. Unverified. I like it.
Starting point is 00:02:40 An unverified civilian. Cool. Cool. I feel like I'd like to do that, actually. That feels cooler than getting it from Twitter. Yeah, way better. And just a reminder on Patreon, you can, like, limit your monthly donation. So, if you, like, say, all right, I think Brady and Tim,
Starting point is 00:02:55 I'm going to give them, like, $10. If we then release, like, 19 episodes that month, you can limit your, you know, we're not going to bankrupt you with a sudden glut of episodes. But if you join the $8 tier or above, I'm going to send you a tick in the post. Wow. Even Twitter doesn't do that. No, they don't. No.
Starting point is 00:03:16 And also something new arrived in the post, Tim. Let me show you. Oh, reaching behind me. Here we go. Here's one of the bags. I am restocked with sofa shop pins. Cool. Nice. Yes. So we did run out of these because when you pass like a lifetime $50 donation,
Starting point is 00:03:37 like cumulative, I sent out sofa shop pins. And then when they ran out, I've been sending out Tim Hine autographed plectrums instead. But that's clearly a second rate so well anyone in the front row of my concerts manages to catch one of those you see they're they're regularly from the stage yeah and if they don't tim's at the door as they exit making sure they take one anyway that's right it has been exciting to see during the um political season in the u.s at the moment with the midterms on how many politicians have got one of those little sofa shop pins on their lapel of their suit. I've been encouraged. You don't see them on everyone, but everyone who's worth voting for a little American flag or a sofa shop pin.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Very encouraging. One of the two. The two are interchangeable in many ways. In many ways, that's right. I was on Patreon last night and I asked the stakeholders if there's anything they'd like us to talk about or ask. I got lots and lots of questions. I'll come back to some of them maybe another time. But I'll throw a couple of quickies in there, Tim, that people asked. A bit of Q&A, nice.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Yeah, someone named Ryan asked, what is the best topping or style for hot dogs? How do you like, what's your preferred hot dog? Well, just with mustard. I like strong mustard and a little bit of tomato sauce or ketchup, as the Americans call it. But the mustard is the essential part of it for me. Yeah. I mean, that's my normal topping.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Like, you know, if I'm at a baseball game, you'll go the ketchup and the mustard. If I'm going a bit more exotic, I love bacon on a hot dog. Oh, no. I love bacon on the hot dogs they do at Five Guys. And I loved the chopped up bacon they used to put on the Oz Dog at Oz Bites at Marion Shopping Centre back in the day. Oz Bites, yes. Bacon and cheese on a hot dog. The Oz Dog at Oz Bites back in the the day there was like still like this wave of warm
Starting point is 00:05:27 nostalgia rolls over me as i think about going there i love a thursday night late night shopping at marion's mum giving me the money for a for an oz dog i don't think i ever bought a product from oz dog oz bites oz bites is it oh there we go um i do have Ozdog at Oz Bites. I do have a wave of nostalgia from Oz Bites, though, but that's because I dated a girl there for a while whose name I cannot recall, which is terrible. I think I remember her name. I think I was at. The Soul of the Shack.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Yes. No, I think that's right. I think it was. Yeah. Yes. Well done. Yeah. I was thinking Tanya. I think it was, yeah. Yes, well done. Yeah. I was thinking Tanya.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I remember. You hardly dated her. I don't think you were really dating her. Well, it wasn't like an arranged courtship that went over many months between the Montagues and the Copulets. No, well, my memory of it was that she liked the look of you and invited us to a party that night so she could see you again. And we turned up at the party and her boyfriend was there.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Yes, but he didn't know about me. And there were- Yeah, you didn't know about him till you got there either. It was about another week. Look, there was another week in it. I do remember picking her up after work and at Marion another day during that week, but it couldn't be longer than a week. And it's in my interest to say it was very short because I couldn't remember her name and I sound like a terrible person
Starting point is 00:06:55 if it was any longer than that and I couldn't remember her name. I can't believe that you were going out with a girl that worked at Oz Bites and you didn't hook me up with a free Oz dog. were going out with a girl that worked at Oz Bites and you didn't hook me up with a free Oz dog. You're like, jeez, I hope this lasts. She could be the one, Tim. She could be the one. Hey, let's go to marry.
Starting point is 00:07:16 I'd still be living in Australia. That's right. Getting my free Oz dog. I also am a very big fan of the Wendy's hot dog because I love a hot dog. When instead of the bun being cut, they put it on those spikes. That puts a hole in the hot dog that the dog is then stuffed down the hole. I love those. Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:39 And Wendy's does that. But before they put the dog in, they fill that hole with garlic butter and a bit of barbecue sauce, a bit of brown barbecue sauce, a garlic butter and then that Wendy's dog. The good thing about that bun is when you have the spike is it creates, it's a little bit slightly crusty and cooked. You know what I mean? There's a strength to it. That's just, it's not cooked, cooked like toast. It's just got a very slight crisp bit down the edge and just perfect just perfect yes well dente yeah that's right it's gourmet
Starting point is 00:08:12 another question that inevitably we were asked by the stakeholders was where do you stand on the issue of pineapple on pizza oh i, I'm very strongly pro pineapple. Oh, I love pineapple on pizza. I do like the Hawaiian pizza. I like pineapple on pizza, but I'm sort of put as much as you can, everything on a pizza kind of person. I'm pro anchovies as well. I like anchovies on a pizza. Oh, my word, yes.
Starting point is 00:08:39 My word, yes. I very much so. My fear with a pizza is always that it's going to be too bland. So I like strong tastes on a pizza. You mustn't live in fear, Tim. You mustn't live in fear of your pizza. It is a genuine fear. Don't let fear conquer you.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Let love conquer all. What phobia is that? The fear of bland pizza. Yeah. People think all the Australians are scared of, like, spiders and snakes and sharks. No, no, no. It's bland pizza we live in fear of. That's right.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I like spiders and snakes on my pizza just to spice it up a little bit for fear of a bland pizza. Your cricket bat has arrived. It has. Oh, my goodness. It's so exciting. Tell me what it was like unboxing it and feeling the grip in your hands for the first time. Well, it was great coming home and finding it in the house waiting for me. Any package is exciting to see waiting for you.
Starting point is 00:09:36 But I looked at it for a moment perplexed and then I went, oh, yes, of course. It's cricket bat length and size. So, yeah, it was cool. Got the scissors out and you had very comprehensively packaged it and so that took a little bit of hacking. It was fantastic. Yeah, just came out, holding it, lovely feeling of the grip in my hands, immediately into a pose, lovely cricket, nice block.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Have you been doing a bit of shadow batting in the lounge with it? I have, I have. I've been sort of wandering around the house with it in my hand. You know, just, you know how some of those people, like a general in the army has one of those batons and they just sort of wave it around at people and point at things with it and it has no real other purpose. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I've been a bit like that with a bat. Wasn't there a movie or TV character that did their thinking holding a baseball bat? Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men. Yes, that's right. Loves to hold a baseball bat while he's thinking or his softball bat while he's thinking. That's it. Where's my bat? Where's my bat? I can't find it. Demi Moore says, I put it away in the closet. No, no. But then he goes to the closet and that's when he has a little moment where he realises something too. Yes, yes. Key
Starting point is 00:10:43 moment in the film. Good good memory tim well i've got my bat here you see i've you should have it i should have brought it you should do your sermons with it you should be up on the up on the at the pulpit just holding the bat like you know just preaching swinging it every now and then just a nice a little bit of a shot it does feel good just to be holding it around the house. Bit of a front foot pole shot there to go down with that little bit of communion. I'd accidentally take out a kid and a microphone and dent the piano. I'm sure I would.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Can't be doing that. Was there sport in the days of Jesus? There must have been. When did sport start? Like what sport did they play? Well, the Olympic Games were on for a good thousand years before Christ, even, in Greece. It wouldn't really be fair letting the Son of God compete in the Olympics, though, would it?
Starting point is 00:11:33 Like, he could just call in a few favours, couldn't he, if he's, like, 20 metres behind coming down the home straight. I don't think that's the idea, Brady. I don't think that's in the spirit of the Olympics. The spirit and the... What do they say? You felt like the idea that Jesus adheres to the spirit of the Olympics. That's what he was all about.
Starting point is 00:11:57 That's what he was here... That's the message he was here to spread. That's the spirit that he's talking about all the time. It's the spirit of the Olympics. The Olympic spirit. What do they say in the oath? There's talking about all the time. It's the spirit of the Olympics, the Olympic spirit. What do they say in the oath? There's something about the glory of sport. Yeah, well, I can imagine him ascending to heaven going,
Starting point is 00:12:11 okay, everybody, faster, stronger, higher. Higher. And he goes up into the sky and everyone's like, yes, we love the Olympics. This is not official doctrine, people, by the way. No, no, indeed. people need to delineate between what i'm saying on sundays and and what um brady is able to get out of me here on the podcast although i am on the same premises
Starting point is 00:12:34 very important distinction i think it was a bit weird though back there because the the sports were sort of like um wasn't there, like, wrestling in the nude? And then there was, like, the marathon. And that was about it, really. They did everything in the nude at the early Olympics. See, that's not appropriate, is it? It was just a big, big nudie fest. More parish notices.
Starting point is 00:13:00 The last episode, we had the KFC cooking. Yes. A lot of correspondence about that, especially about teaspoons versus tablespoons. Yes, I've been well berated by people in person about that. I'm sure. I'm sure. Soundsgood16 said, usually an uppercase T signifies tablespoon, whereas a lowercase T signifies teaspoon. T signifies tablespoon, whereas a lowercase T signifies teaspoon.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Assuming the Colonel was writing his recipe in the traditional way, Tim made the right choice because Tim had TS on the recipe he was using, but it was a capital T. You went for the tablespoon option and it appears maybe you were right. Although I heard this from a quaver past eight. Interesting to learn from here about capital T and lower T, meaning tablespoon and teaspoon, which I didn't know. Added to that, an Australian tablespoon is 20 mils, whereas an international tablespoon is 15 mils. And I don't know what an imperial tablespoon is. So using Australian tablespoons would increase the amount of spice used by a third. Even accounting for the increased size of a metric cup versus an imperial cup,
Starting point is 00:14:10 it would still be changing the ratio of flour to spice by a bit. That said, there is a whole mix of measuring spoons sold in Australia, and I sometimes struggle to find an Australian standard tablespoon. So, it would depend on the brand of measuring utensils used in the Hein household. Yeah, okay. Well, obviously I don't know which ones we've got. No. But they're orange and they look like they've been around since my mum was a little girl, so they look pretty ye olde Australian.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Okay. I wonder if there is a way to reverse engineer KFC. Like what if I was actually able to get a piece of chicken and then, well, I don't think you're going to be able to do this after it's cooked, but a pre-cooked chicken, if you somehow could have it slipped out the window from a drive-through or something from someone on the inside and take it away and reverse engineer all the things that are there and how much of them.
Starting point is 00:15:04 I'm sure you could. That's worth trying. Is that what you're saying? It's worth trying. Yes. Maybe you need to nip down to KFC on the way home and pick up a few pieces and see if you can just reverse engineer them by taste. No. No, that would go against my fast.
Starting point is 00:15:22 You're so close to the end. It would be a shame to fail in November. Yes. Finally, HVLogic says, it is important to note there is a difference between pressure cookers and pressure fryers. KFC uses pressure fryers to deep fry the chicken. You cannot do this in a traditional pressure cooker that someone would have in their home.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Right, okay, all right. But you can make other things in a pressure cooker that are normally done in fryers, is that right? Like fries. I have never even touched a pressure cooker, let alone used one, so I have no idea. Right. And I'm not even going to go into all the messages we got about us not knowing what buttermilk was. Yes.
Starting point is 00:15:58 It seems like we've committed some mortal sin by not knowing what buttermilk is. And for all the people who say, why don't you guys just Google stuff, how boring would this podcast be if we just Googled everything and got all our information correct? I think it goes against the spirit of the podcast. It does. It does. Otherwise, we would, well, A, we'd be correct. But what fun would that be?
Starting point is 00:16:21 No fun. No fun. Now, also, in episode 118, I had a podcast idea called Back from the Dead, where we talked about people we might like to bring back for a day or two, chat to them, show them what the world's like these days. Not family members, famous people was our sort of thing. A couple of messages. One here from Gunty Gunzen, who said, it would be interesting to talk to someone who died before being proven right, like Galileo Galilei. Is that his last name, Galilei? I think it's Galilei. Is it Galilei? I don't know. Galileo, showing him how everyone believes him now, or someone who was very certain of something that has now been proven wrong, like Einstein about quantum physics,
Starting point is 00:17:02 or Plato about the future being better than the past. Or maybe Fermat to show him what the real proof of his theorem looks like, as in Fermat's last theorem. That's one for the math fans. Yep, I got it. This came from Tabidi. I often thought about bringing back a classical composer and taking them to a music festival. The idea started because of a cliche that you often hear from metal music snobs that metal is classical music with heavy distortion. And I thought, I wonder if Mozart or Beethoven would agree.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I also think it would be interesting to see what those composers would think of how showy and entertainment-oriented music has become. Back then, it was more about the art of composition. Today, you have to put on a show. Thinking about it, I would love to hear Beethoven's pop music review podcast. There you go. Yeah, bring back a few composers. There was a few things you said there that lost me a little bit. I thought you said something about Einstein being wrong. There's a few things Einstein was not quite on the right track about.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Yeah. He got a lot of stuff right too, though. He did more good than bad. Oh, right. Yeah. Well, that's like saying in my science class, I got more than 50%. You know what I mean? Like, I got some things right and some things wrong.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Well, as physics evolved further through Einstein's life, he started chiming in with a few opinions and ideas that later on proved to not be the case. Right. And people love- anything Einstein ever said that was wrong, people love jumping all over and making YouTube videos about, you know, Einstein was wrong. The thing Einstein got wrong is like everyone's favourite YouTube video to make. I'm sure I've done about five. One last one that I liked here was from Gravity Tortoise.
Starting point is 00:18:35 I think it would be cool to bring the Wright Brothers back to see modern airplanes. That would be cool. That would be cool. Yeah, they would be blown away. I'd love to bring the Wright Brothers back and invite them to sit on the sofa with me last night to watch maverick top gun maverick yeah what do you think of this guys did you imagine this when you were there at kitty hawk tossing the coin did you think about who was going to be team leader on the mission to blow up the uranium enrichment plant? Has there been a, I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick yet, but when I saw a clip from the original Top Gun a while ago, I was thinking those planes look pretty good, like for back in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:19:17 You know how you sort of feel like it's a long time ago, but those planes look state of the art. Like, I don't know the difference between an F-16 and an F-16, but the planes, because they haven't changed much in their design. So I'm just wondering, did it appear like the planes were truly, like, more than 30 years better and more advanced? I mean, in Top Gun Maverick, there's a scene where they go into one of the planes that was used in the original Top Gun, and it's a joke what a dinosaur of a plane it is, I still think they look bloody awesome.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Was it F-14s in Top Gun, I think? They're fantastic-looking planes. The planes look a bit different now. I think planes are looking less cool now as they start giving way to other design considerations. Right. I think around the time of the F-14, 16, 18, I think that was peak fighter jet.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Well, that's what I mean. I think it's like if you look at a car from the 1980s and then you look at a car now, it's very clearly dated. But when I look at a jet fighter from the 1980s and a jet fighter now, I go, I don't know if they've come a long way. They seem to be a lot smaller and nimbler now, the jet fighters. I mean, the F-14 is a big lumbering monster. I think that they're getting a bit smaller and nippier now.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Like they can just sort of zip down to the shops in them and park them more easily, that sort of thing. Yeah. Go and buy milk. Well, I imagine they're sort of hybrid now or pretty much electric. Is that right? Yeah, they are. and you need to be able to get in they need to be small to get into those charging points like your local supermarket yeah
Starting point is 00:20:51 that's good to see that's good to see just flying along at about 1500 kilometers an hour and they go hang on i'm just gonna switch off battery got to get back onto petrol and they don't have like tape decks and CD players anymore. It's all, like, MP3 and stuff. Oh, that'd save a bit of room, I guess. So, I imagine there's hardly any instruments in front of them anymore then, really. It's just sort of the speedo and that's about it. Do you remember the film Iron Eagle, which was kind of like a sort of top gunny type film, but it was about, like-
Starting point is 00:21:22 I remember you mentioning it. Yeah, you bringing it up. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. But he used to like play music while he was flying his fighter jet and he had like a Walkman and he'd put the music on the tape deck and listen to it while he was flying to make him fly cooler. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Do you think you'd be able to hear a tape, a Walkman, in like a fighter jet? I imagine they're pretty loud, fighter jets. They are pretty loud, but those Walkmans were pretty loud too. You couldn't get it. Okay. Oh, yeah. Do you know what?
Starting point is 00:21:48 I bet they don't have any more. I bet they don't have those little cigarette lighters that you used to have. Remember, you'd push those in and then they'd pop out when they were ready? Yeah. With smoking gone, that sort of stuff would be outlawed, so that's a bit more room. I think smoking while flying a US fighter jet would be frowned upon these days, but it would be pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:22:06 We're so politically correct. But like the modern jets now have like electric windows and all sorts. It's pretty awesome. Seatwarmers. Nice. Idea for a podcast. Who's going to go first of the two of us? I feel like I want to go first with an idea that's one month early.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Like this idea would be perfect in one month and I think I'm going to go with it now because I feel like nothing else on my list is as hot as anything. Well, people listening to this in one month are listening at the perfect time. Indeed. Well, that's right. So perhaps I'll just call it that.
Starting point is 00:22:49 For the record, we are recording this in mid-November 2022. This is an idea called I Tried It For A Year, and it's a month short. Okay, yeah. But I feel like I've been holding off for a long time. I thought about going in with I've tried this at six months and then I thought, no, it's not enough. And I check with my daughters and they said, no, you've got to hold off,
Starting point is 00:23:21 you've got to hold off. So I've held off a long time. So this idea is officially called I tried it for 11 months or not quite 12 months. But I'm keeping going with what I've tried, but that's just where I happen to be at the moment. So full disclosure. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:38 The reason I'm bringing this up now is because I nearly brought it up in the KFC special episode last week, but I held off because it's been something that's a little bit associated with that. At the end of the last episode, the KFC special, we tasted some of the chicken, which was interesting and tasty, although not quite as on brand KFC as I was hoping, which means I didn't break my KFC fast. But while I've been on a KFC fast throughout the year, I actually have tried something else this year as well, which I still can't believe I have done.
Starting point is 00:24:13 And that is that I've not just fasted from KFC, I've fasted from meat entirely. Really? Yes. Well, then you really shouldn't have had that chicken the other day. I tried. I had one little piece of chicken in the spirit of the KFC. That would be the, from my memory, third time that I've had a piece of meat in just under a year. So you fell off the wagon thrice. I fell off the wagon thrice i fell off the wagon thrice that's right wow it's been really quite amazing i haven't eaten meat and they've been
Starting point is 00:24:54 three times and they've been accidents so i one time i was at a farewell like a drinks at work farewell and i was down and i was there's like a cheese platter and you know that kind of thing and I'm just hoeing in the to the cabana because there's chopped up cabana it's lovely yeah and then I stopped after about eight and went oh no no I don't eat this oh no the person in front of me was just talking and I just suddenly went I don't eat meat and they go, yes, you clearly do. You're doing it right now. And I'm like, no, I don't do it. So that was one time.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And the other night I did it deliberately. But, yeah, no, I did this. What was the third time? What was the third breach? Oh, there was one. I decided that I wouldn't cause offence to someone. And so I was in a social situation at someone's house and we were served, it was actually pizza and I had a little bit of meat on it
Starting point is 00:25:53 and I ate the meat rather than, I didn't want to be that guy that picks off the meat in front of, you know, it didn't feel like the polite thing to do on that occasion. Fair enough, fair enough. How have you found it? God, man, amazing. You know what? I found it? God, man, amazing. You know what? I found it a lot easier than I thought.
Starting point is 00:26:08 I am the least likely person to become a vegetarian. Or actually, I should say, well, probably apart from you, who is a true carnivore. Yes. Yeah. I am officially known as a pescatarian. That is that I do eat fish. Yeah. Yeah. I am officially known as a pescatarian. That is that I do eat fish. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah. Which I think is a big difference, being able to eat fish. Like I've never eaten so much fish in my entire life. Can you eat shellfish, like prawns and things like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I pretty much just ate seafood.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Yeah. But of course you don't have that every day, do you? So it's, yeah, largely been a vegetarian. I would not call you a vegetarian then in my opinion but you have gone meat free clearly that's right yeah this was initially done in solidarity with a daughter who decided that she wanted to eat more vegetarian meals and and i generally affirm that and she has an interest in cooking and and for ethical reasons and all those sorts of questions.
Starting point is 00:27:06 And, of course, I encouraged that and so forth. And then they got serious about it. And so I just said in solidarity, all right, let's do it for a year. How about we go all in for a year? And they were up for it and so we have. Did they stick with it or have you gone solo? They've fallen off the wagon a few more times than me yeah yeah right but there's been reasons for that in terms of like energy and that kind of stuff and and protein at one stage the doctor said look i think i think you know perhaps you should be having a little bit a little
Starting point is 00:27:37 bit of meat um so growing growing girls that gave her some. The doctor made no such ruling in regards to me. I was informed that it was a good move and I should stick with it and perhaps make some other modifications to my diet as well. Yeah. But yeah, look, I didn't think I'd get through the day. Honestly, when I said that, I suddenly went, oh my goodness, I don't know if I can eat like a meal today like that. Like, can I get through today without meat? But, of course, I did. And then suddenly you realise you get full and you move on with your life without meat. And I did it for two days and then a week,
Starting point is 00:28:15 and I couldn't believe how easy it was. To be honest, to be really honest, it's been a lot easier and I've become quite addicted to it. I've found it really quite pleasant and enjoyable. what does the thought of meat mean to you now are you going to go back at the end of the year well this brings me back to the chicken the other night i couldn't eat more than one piece of chicken like i didn't enjoy it i was fascinated by the taste of the skin because of oh did i get close to the KFC taste? The chicken itself, I didn't enjoy and I couldn't stomach more with the smell and everything.
Starting point is 00:28:52 It's really, really interesting. I found it unpleasant and that scares me when it comes to the real KFC, which I'm going to have on, you know, the 1st of January. So you think you might stick with pescatarian into the new year? I might. I will certainly see it through the year. Yep. Because that's what we're doing. And I'll go longer. And I think I will probably eat it more this way for the rest of my life or the foreseeable future. I may make some exceptions. The trouble with being pescatarian is you eat a lot of carbs. So that's, you know, like in terms of, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:27 fitness and stuff like that, you sort of feel every now and then, like you have lots of tuna. But, yeah, anyway, other people will, I'm sure, have lots of advice how to do that. But lots of breads and lots of pastas and all that kind of stuff. But the other night, like, we had people over and my wife made some, like, lamb for them because largely the family has gone this way,
Starting point is 00:29:45 but not strictly. And so when guests come over, we gave them, you know, some lamb and cleaning up afterwards, like the, you know, the oil and the trays. I actually had, I actually, I found it, I was repelled by it. I actually let them soak for a while, went away because I went, I don't. You were repelled by doing the washing up. Let them soak for a while, went away because I went, I don't. You were repelled by doing the washing up where you said. That's right. That's a good point. No, I didn't enjoy it at the table, but I wasn't near it.
Starting point is 00:30:13 And then later on, I was just interested by that. I was like, wow, this is really amazing. Oh, I would not have chosen this. I would not have thought it. It's really quite peculiar. It's a peculiar experience to try for a year, which gets me back to my podcast idea, which is the difference between trying something once. Like if I tried to do it for a week, I think I would have almost despised and resented doing it. But there was
Starting point is 00:30:36 something about doing it for a year where you just have to give yourself over to it. Yeah. This is a podcast idea where people would talk about how they've made a massive life change for a year and in the scheme of things maybe this isn't a massive life change but it was an unthinkable thought it was a different thought i know you live with um your wife is is vegetarian is that right so you do a lot of cooking down that line as well she's been a vegetarian for many many years so i and i cook, so I always cook vegetarian dinners at home. But I eat a lot of meat whenever else I can. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Do you eat vegetarian alongside her or do you cook meat for yourself? Like do you cook two meals? No, no, no, I eat the same dinner. So I'll eat a vegetarian dinner. We get like, you know, those delivery boxes usually and I follow the recipe. And they're nice. They're great. You know, they're often like, you know, a meat substitute, whether it's a true meat substitute or halloumi or something and yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:31:29 they're off they're often still very based around that idea of a staple protein essential thing but but yeah no i i've got and i think i'm sure it's done me good because you know i've lost a lot of weight over the last year or two and i'm sure tennis being the main reason, but I'm sure eating at least one healthy meal a day has helped as well. I'll tell you who would appreciate you talking about your triumphant year of vegetarianism after 11 months, and that is an astronaut called Scott Kelly, who... What year was it? Let me check what year he did this. It was 2015 to 2016. He famously did this
Starting point is 00:32:07 NASA mission called the Year in Space, a year-long mission on the International Space Station. Yeah. And it always drives me crazy because it was an 11-month mission. Even the Wikipedia page says the ISS year-long mission was an 11-month scientific research project aboard the International Space Station. It was up there for 340 days, but it was always branded as the year in space, the year-long mission.
Starting point is 00:32:34 That's so funny in the sense that time is kind of defined by space. You know what I mean? Like, we measure time really because of the apparatus of space, and yet he's actually right there. They had to market it as that year in space, even though it was 25 days. It wasn't even close. It wasn't like if it was a day or two short and they had to bring him down early for some weather reason or something.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Like there was a cyclone where he was going to land. I'd be like, okay, yeah, okay. But it wasn't even close. Not having that. I don't know things that I've done for a year like that. You kind of took up tennis and then just played tennis crazily for a year. Yeah, but that's not a year of doing something. That's just a new pastime I took up and got really into. But yeah, it was never like I'm going to do it for a year. No. Or it wasn't a New Year's resolution. It was just something I started doing and really liked. So, I've had a few New Year's resolutions and, you know, over the years, nothing I can think
Starting point is 00:33:22 of that really stuck really well. You're doing well. How's your surfing doing? Are you still surfing or has that fallen by the wayside a bit? It's been winter here, so I haven't – I went out a few weeks ago, but I haven't been out for several weeks. It's been mainly because it's, I don't know, busyness and then the weather. I have got a, you know, like a wetsuit to use, but it's – I have to say the wetsuit, maybe after a little bit of vegetarianism it'll be fitting a little bit better more recently. But it is like a hassle to get on and a hassle to get off,
Starting point is 00:33:51 which is just another – it's a little thought in your mind that goes, oh, I'll go for a surf, oh, then I'm going to do that, and then I'm going to do that, and then I'm going to go. You know what I mean? There's a really good place for cold water outdoor swimming near where I live, and I decided I wanted to get into it and got a wetsuit for Christmas and went and did it a few times but honestly the tech the putting on and the taking off of the wetsuit is the main thing that stops me it's like oh it's
Starting point is 00:34:13 exhausting such a faff it is it's like it's like yeah you gotta be houdini to get out of those things yeah no it'd be all right if i could buy one and then cut it off every time or something but um it's or it could be one of one of it could be one of those, is there a superhero or like a Roman centurion who just walks up and opens his arms and legs and then servants come and go click, click, click, click, click with their armour all over him and he goes off to battle. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's the way to get dressed. That's the way to do it.
Starting point is 00:34:40 That's the way to do it. That's how you want it. If you've done something for a year, taken up like a New Year's resolution, had some successful year-long project, or 11 months, if you're Tim and Scott Kelly and want to go early, get in touch in all the usual ways, the emails and the Reddits and stuff, and maybe we'll read something out. We love hearing from you.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Tim. Yes. Hover. Hover. Oh, wow. There are three reasons we're able to make the podcast. Our burning passion. Yes. Hover. Hover. Oh, wow. There are three reasons we're able to make the podcast. Our burning passion. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Our Patreon supporters and our sponsors like Hover. Hover have supported this episode. They are a domain registrar. They're the place to go to register all your dot coms and your dot nets and your dot ninjas and your dot accounting or whatever it is. Whatever you're doing in life, it's good to have a little war chest of domains to brand and store and place all your stuff on the internet. Tim and I both use Hover to register our domains.
Starting point is 00:35:35 What have we been talking about today? What would be a good domain? What about, what would you do, what domain would you use if you had been blogging your year of vegetarianism? Well, there is a cliche associated with vegetarians that they are always telling you about their vegetarianism every time you catch up. So it could be I'm a vegetarian. Did I tell you I'm a vegetarian? Tim.menu is available, $34.99.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, yeah. Tim.recipes. I'm not good with the recipes. So you could go down that. If you were doing some project for a year and you wanted to share it with your friends and you were keeping a blog, or even if you were doing a social media, you know, like an Instagram, you could divert a domain like that to your Instagram. I'm looking at all the Tim dots that are available at the moment.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Tim.fish. That'd work. Is that available? Oh, no. This is actually vegetarian.fish. Hindsight. I've always wanted to have a website called Hindsight. Hind.sight. Have you registered Hind.sight yet?
Starting point is 00:36:35 No, no. Oh, hang on, let me check. That's available. Hind.art? No, Hind.sight's been taken. Yeah. Hind.sight is taken because you were too slow. Don't!
Starting point is 00:36:44 That doesn't mean our listeners have you were too slow. Don't! That doesn't mean our listeners have to be too slow. Why didn't I get it? If only I'd gone to Hover. You should have gone to Hover. Hover.com slash, if you'd gone to Hover.com slash Unmade, you would have got 10% off your first purchase. No!
Starting point is 00:37:00 So not only would you have got it, you would have got it cheaper than the already cheap prices. Why didn't I do it? Why? Why? Why? No. Hover, please. If only I could do that. It's too late.
Starting point is 00:37:10 No. Hover.com slash unmade. 10% off. Don't be like Tim. Don't live a life of domain regret. Hover.com slash unmade. Thanks, Hover, for supporting our podcast. They're really great supporters. They're really good people there, too., for supporting our podcast. They're really great supporters.
Starting point is 00:37:25 They're really good people there too. They really enjoy the show. They love listening to these ads. That's great. These highly tightly scripted ads. The last ad about all the Judas domains, I sent it. I said, have you heard our latest Hover ad? We talked all about Judas.
Starting point is 00:37:38 They were like, because they don't like, they're not like, you know, draconian and they listen to things and say, no, you have to change that and do that. So they actually don't hear them until after they've gone out. Oh, right. So they were like, yeah. So, yeah. That's how great Hover are. They trust us.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Or they've never, ever heard one. Yeah, that's right. Let's go for Spoon of the Week. Where is it? Here it is. Here's my spoon. We're back to a traditional Spoon of the Week here. We've got a spoon from the Hein Family Collection.
Starting point is 00:38:17 What have you got, Tim? Well, Brady, I tell you, this spoon is extra special. I've pulled out of the magic box today the biggest scoopy bit you have ever seen in your life. It's almost like a shovel. I know. It is. I know. Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:34 After this episode, I'm taking this out to use in the garden. This is a phenomenal scoop. I've never seen it before in my life, but the scoopy bit is way bigger than the, what's the other bit? There's the handle and then- The handle, the stem and then the handle, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And look, it's massive.
Starting point is 00:38:54 And I don't know why it's massive, but it's something that we could definitely use for sugar. In fact, you could use it to eat cereal with, to be honest. It's large. The square shape of it might make it less comfortable for eating. Although it's shoveled like that, it does have kind of a few round flourishes to it. It does still fit in our mouth. Like, it's not that big.
Starting point is 00:39:15 It's just square and large. And yes, it's about the- This spoon is all about the quantity, not the quality. Is there a particular vegetable you would most like to eat with that spoon? Oh, good point. I think it would fit a – you could fit a Brussels sprout on it. You could fit a couple of carrots. You could almost leverage to hold a corn, corn on the cob.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Wow. That would be quite a balancing act. Well, it would be, yes. You wouldn't want to take a bite into it, but it could be used to chop. You know how some people do that with their corn on the cob? They sort of slice down and rip them off. You could use it for that because it's quite a- It's a very nice spoon, though.
Starting point is 00:39:57 I do feel like it's one that you should have like a butler come up and bring to you on like a nice tray because it's very silver and shiny. This could be used for one of those formal events you know when the when the queen i was about to say the queen the king um often you know like plants a tree you know how they sort of or or turns the shovel at the opening of a new building this uh when a building's about this is the sort of thing you'd use for that he'd lean down with one of these and just turn the sod. Is that what it's called?
Starting point is 00:40:27 I think that's what it's called. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah, it's a very formal turning the sod spoon. I should mention up the other end there's a picture of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, and I'm pretty sure it's the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Yeah. Yes, it is.
Starting point is 00:40:41 It's a Sydney-themed spoon. It has the word Sydney, and sort of the enamelled coloured bit at the top deals with Sydney. Very, you know, standard, pretty standard there. They haven't really gotten too creative there with their Sydney branding. No, they've done a lot of the actions gone down the other end at the scoopy bit.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Very nice. There we go. Very nice. Like it. All right. Useful. Sydney spoon, big, big scoopy bit. Big scoopy bit.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Speaking of spoons, of course, it's time to announce the winners, and that means we've got a bit of a new tradition. Tim, do you want to grab the guitar while I... Oh, yes, yes, yes. Here it is. I'm going to reveal the gentlemen and damsels who have, among our Patreon supporters, that are winning prizes. All right.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Okay. Okay. So, first of all, an unmade podcast souvenir spoon forged in the fires of an English spoon maker. This week we're sending one to Michelle from Calgary. Michelle from Calgary. Michelle from Calgary. Michelle. Don't let me stop you. It's going to take too long if I do all of them twice.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Yeah. Michelle from Calgary in a black cap. We have a sofa shop mixtape going to lisa muck from ireland lisa from ireland lisa muck from ireland to be sure to be sure to be sure to be sure spoon of the Week collector cards. Christopher S. from Pennsylvania. Streets of Pennsylvania. Streets of Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:42:41 We also have Guido J. from the Netherlands. Hey, from the Netherlands. If only I knew a Dutch song. Guido J from the Netherlands. Hey, from the Netherlands. If only I knew a Dutch song. Yeah. I'm only into the Dutch rap, really, so. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:55 We also have cards going to Beth from Virginia. Virginia. There we go. Finally, a little bit of country down south. Yeah. And another Pennsylvania. Jeffrey W from Pennsylvania. Also got cards coming your way. Two Pennsylvanians.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And last but not least, Naomi from the Australian Capital Territory. Ah, there we go. Fantastic. Yeah. Lovely Australia. Aussie. G'day. Nice. G'day Nice She got married early
Starting point is 00:43:33 Never had no money Then when she got laid up Sorry, sorry Was that Naomi you were singing about? No, I wouldn't want to make that. That's a Paul Kelly song. Look up Paul Kelly if you're anywhere but Australian and you've not heard of him.
Starting point is 00:43:52 And now it's time for... Moon of the Moon. Let me just put the guitar away. Yes, go on. You start talking. I'll just be a little while. Yes, go on. You start talking. I'll just be a little while. That's all right. All right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Tim's going to go and take the guitar far, far away. Tim, I've decided to go back to our roots and do just like a traditional moon in the solar system. Oh, yes, good, good. And if you had asked me yesterday, what is the largest moon that orbits the planet Uranus or Uranus? I don't know what to call it. What is the largest moon of the Uranian system?
Starting point is 00:44:31 I would not have known the answer. Golly. A gap in my knowledge. But I do know now, and that's the moon I'm going to talk about today. It is, I think it's correct pronunciation is Titania, but you can say Titania. It looks like titanium. Titania, also known as Uranus 3, if you want to number them in the numbering system. But Titania, largest moon of Uranus.
Starting point is 00:44:55 It's the eighth largest moon in the solar system. So it's a big chunk of moon. It was discovered in 1787, a long time ago. It was spotted by William Herschel, a very famous old astronomer who had the best telescope in the world. So he was picking off all this stuff that no one else could see. And it's named after the queen of the fairies in A Midsummer Night's Dream. I think all the moons of Uranus are named after literary characters,
Starting point is 00:45:20 mainly Shakespeare. And how ironic that Midsummer Night's Dream also features a bottom. A character called Bottom. Very good. Thank you. It's a dark, icy, rocky moon. Slightly, slightly red surface, apparently. It hasn't got as many craters as a lot of the other Uranian moons. And that's because there was probably an event at some point, like a volcanic type event that smoothed everything over and covered it all over. We've only seen 40% of this moon because the only time we've ever got a decent look at it was when the Voyager 2 space probe went barrelling past Uranus many, many years ago. So we haven't seen it all.
Starting point is 00:46:01 It's about 270 miles from the planet it takes 8.7 days to do a lap of uranus and it takes 8.7 days to rotate on its own axis so the same face always points at the planet this is very common our own moon does this it's called being tidally locked so there is a dark side of the moon to Uranus. Well, you wouldn't call it the dark side. You'd call it the far side. Right. Because it's the, yeah, that's the same with the moon. The moon doesn't have a dark side. It has the far side.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Dark side is a bit of a misnomer. It's actually all dark, isn't it? Of course. Well, no, well, it's all light as well. Both sides get light and dark. But this is what's interesting. Because Uranus is kind of tipped on its side, it doesn't spin like a top like all the other planets. It more rolls like a bowl around the solar system. That means all its moons are doing the same thing relative to the
Starting point is 00:46:56 sun. So, that means what happens actually is the northern and the southern poles of Titania spend 42 years in light and then 42 years in dark. So, their seasons are very long, long seasons. It has one very big crater that has been named Gertrude, named after Gertrude from Hamlet. I love the name Gertrude, so I find that interesting. That's in the southern hemisphere, which is the hemisphere that was lit up when we got our photos. So, that's the only half we've seen. Right. Has lots of canyons and scarps and fault lines on it.
Starting point is 00:47:29 And I thought, well, maybe there's been some fiction written about it or, you know, maybe it's been used in books because every moon and planet has been used in fiction. But do you know what? Uranus is surprisingly unpopular in fiction and books and novels and sci-fi. in fiction and books and novels and sci-fi. Uranus itself is unpopular, yet alone the moons, so I can't find any books or plays or comics or anything where Titania has been used as a base or has played any role, which means there's a gap in the market. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:47:57 If you're a sci-fi novelist, Titania could be your moon. Titania is today's moon of the week. Not a classic, but today it has finally had some light shone upon it, which doesn't happen very often depending on what hemisphere you're in. No, indeed. Do you want my idea for a podcast? Oh, if we must. All right.
Starting point is 00:48:17 What time is it? Yes, all right. All right. We can slip it in under the wire. I'll give you some famous people's names. See if you can see any link or something they might have in common. Okay. All right. we can slip it in under the wire. I'm going to read. I'll give you some famous people's names. See if you can see any link or something they might have in common. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Tom Cruise. Yep. Know him. Heard of him. Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. Okay. Yep.
Starting point is 00:48:35 David Bowie. David Bowie. Listening to Bowie today. Prince William. Oh, now there's nothing in common with those people. Some are dead, some are alive. Napoleon Bonaparte. Oh are dead, some are alive. Napoleon Bonaparte. Oh, now, come on now.
Starting point is 00:48:48 They're certainly not putting a super group together. They're not appearing in a film together. All right. I'm going to start making it easier for you because I know because of your interests. Jimi Hendrix. Jimi Hendrix. Hmm. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Sir Paul McCartney. Oh, I think I know. What is it? Are they left-handedhanded these are left-handed people yes so my podcast is called lefties and every episode you profile another person who was left-handed because i am obsessed with left-handedness i find it so interesting i always notice it if i'm watching tv shows and movies i I'm always like, it drives my wife crazy. I'll just like nudge her and go, look, left-hander. That's interesting. You're not left-handed yourself, we should add.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I'm not left-handed. No. No. No. But I'm very, very fascinated by people who are left-handed. Why do you find it interesting and what have you found out about it? I don't know. About 10% of people are left-handed. Right. I find it interesting and what have you found out about it? I don't know. About 10% of people are left-handed.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Right. I'll tell you something else I've found out. Don't trust lists of left-handed people on the internet. Right. And, in fact, some of the ones I gave you may be wrong. I knew you'd get it when I said Jimi Hendrix and Paul McCartney. Yes. But I think the others are left-handed.
Starting point is 00:50:00 I'm not completely sure, to be honest. I'm not sure about Tom Cruise. Barack Obama is left-handed. Well, yes, I'll get to that in a moment. But I found Neil Armstrong on all these left-handed lists, and I was like, I can't believe Neil Armstrong was left-handed, and I never knew that. So I went on the internet, and I did actually something quite simple.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I just started Googling pictures of Neil Armstrong holding pens and pencils and things, and he's right-handed. He's always using his right hand. And what I think happens is left-handed propaganda people who love left-handedness just chuck people at random on these lists. And once you're on these lists on the internet that just get copied and copied and copied, you're on it forever. Albert Einstein is always listed as left-handed.
Starting point is 00:50:42 He was not. Isaac Newton is always listed as left-handed. He was not. Isaac Newton is always listed as left-handed. He was probably not. So, beware of lists of left-handed people. But you pointed out Barack Obama, and it was a very famous piece of trivia that there was actually a bit of a streak of US presidents who were left-handed. We had Ronald Reagan, then George W.H. Bush, then Bill Clinton. who were left-handed. We had Ronald Reagan, then George W.H. Bush, then Bill Clinton. Then we skipped.
Starting point is 00:51:07 They were all left-handed. We then skipped for George Bush Jr., George W. Bush. He was right-handed. And then we had Barack Obama, who was left-handed again. And I always thought that was an interesting fact. But here's another interesting fact. Although Ronald Reagan was left-handed, he wrote with his right hand. He was taught to write with his right hand at school because he was brought up at a time when left-handedness was put to the side a bit.
Starting point is 00:51:30 So he was a left-handed who wrote with his right hand. So he was naturally, what did he do with his left hand? Sports maybe, stuff like that. It's just his preferred hand throwing. The same was true of Harry S. Truman. He was left-handed but wrote with his right hand for the same reason. true of Harry S. Truman. He was left-handed, but wrote with his right hand for the same reason. And Gerald Ford was also left-handed. But the only US president before the 20th century who was left-handed that we know of was James Garfield, who was actually quite ambidextrous,
Starting point is 00:51:57 apparently, but supposedly he was left-handed. It's funny you mentioned that about the US presidents, because I remember the reason I know Barack Obama is left handed, or I first noticed it, learnt it, was when very soon after he was sworn in, he signed a piece of legislation. I can't remember what it was about. It might have been about Guantanamo Bay, you know, something he did an executive order straight away, as they sort of do. And I remember him saying, you know, here we go, the first signing, I'm a lefty. And he said, get used to it.
Starting point is 00:52:24 And I remember thinking, oh, yeah, okay, so that's a different thing. But now you're actually telling me there's all these presidents, like Bill Clinton was left-handed. Why would I have to get used to it? It sounds like it's a better than 50% chance. Yeah, it's high. Time magazine did a list of great left-handers, just an arbitrary list of 10, but they decided.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Here's their 10, which I found interesting. Barack Obama was on it. Bill Gates. Oh. Oprah Winfrey. Babe Ruth. Napoleon. Leonardo da Vinci.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Marie Curie. Aristotle. I don't know how they know Aristotle was left-handed, but anyway. I guess it was just documented. Ned Flanders, famously. Yes, yes. And Jimi Hendrix on their list. Kurt Cobain was as well, by the way, from Nir famously. Yes, yes. And Jimi Hendrix on their list. Kurt Cobain was as well, by the way, from Nirvana.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Yes, yes. Or he at least played the guitar left-handed, which might be something different. Bob Geldof, Noel Gallagher, Eminem, Celine Dion, Spike Lee, James Cameron. Noel Gallagher plays guitar right-handed. He's not left-handed on the guitar. I'm almost certain. Really?
Starting point is 00:53:24 I wonder why they've got him. Probably because this is an untrustworthy list. Einstein's on it. Jack the Ripper, apparently. Right. I think they know that because of how he killed people, because they don't know who he was. But I think they, you know, forensically figured out he was a left-handed when he was killing people. Are there any left-handers in your life? There are none in my immediate household. And neither of my parents. Your dog probably is because apparently male dogs, I think male dogs are left-handed usually and cats and things and females are lefties.
Starting point is 00:53:58 I may have that the wrong way around. Really? I did read that. And apparently kangaroos have an unusually high proportion of left-handedness. Do we know why? Is there something different in the brain that can be tracked or is it learnt? It's clearly not learnt behaviour that they just happen to pick up something first and then it's affirmed and they pick it up a second time. Is this people or kangaroos?
Starting point is 00:54:20 No, people. People. This is a great debate and you can read on it extensively as i did this morning they think there's a little bit of genetic also a little bit of learned behavior and cultural and all sorts of other things it's very complicated and it's also very undecided right so i can't i can't answer the question but neither can science nature or nurture i kick left left footed with when i kick a football. I kick left footed when I kick a football. Yeah, I'm left footed too.
Starting point is 00:54:47 I played cricket with a guy who bowled, which is like pitching, with his left arm but threw when he was fielding with his right arm. Wow. Alan Border, the Australian cricketer, was a left-handed batsman but played golf right-handed because he grew up in a household with right-handed golf clubs. So, he just had to play right-handed golf. Oh, wow. Okay. And Brian Lara, the very great West Indian cricketer,
Starting point is 00:55:13 batted left-handed and played golf right-handed also. But he played golf right-handed because he didn't want his golf playing to mess around with his cricket technique. So, he sort of quarantined it by playing golf right-handed. That's a great commitment to both golf and cricket, but certainly to golf, to persist on the opposite side in order to not mess with your bat swing. That's very, very impressive. I think writing is something that is quite significantly different.
Starting point is 00:55:39 Well, certainly Western writing, of course. You write Hebrew from the other side of the page, but of course we write from left to right. But it really is a different experience. Your hand is being smeared across what's been written already. And well, there's a great tradition of sort of beating left handedness out of people at school. There was a time when left handedness was considered kind of evil and things like that, which is, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Which is where the word sinister comes from. Sinister means left-handed and sinister also is like a bad word. Oh, really? But also when you were using certain types of pens that had nibs that you had to go across the paper, if you were right-handed, it was easy to drag the ink across the paper and the nib. But if you were left-handed, you would like be pushing it against the grain of the paper and pushing the pen. It would stick and jam all the time so they trained you to write right-handed
Starting point is 00:56:29 to get rid of that problem so anyway great left-handers the lefty podcast a tribute to left-handers have you found yourself trying to be more equitable with your left hand since you've been interested and obsessed in left-handedness like Like do you often, like do you pick up a bowl of cereal and think, no, I'm going to scoop with the left-handed? My interest is not like that. My interest is more like just, oh, look, look at that. Like, you know, look, a shiny thing. Just pointing and laughing.
Starting point is 00:56:56 Is that right? No, not laughing. Not laughing. I'm a little bit, I would like to be left-handed. I think it's cool. It confers an advantage in most sports. So I would like to be left-handed. I think it's cool. It confers an advantage in most sports. So I would like to be left-handed, but no. Would you podcast feature people who would come on and talk about being left-handed?
Starting point is 00:57:13 Oh, yes, that would be good. When they first realised that they were different. The challenges they face in life. Oh, no, I'd have a little bit of expertise and a little bit of first-person anecdotes as well, as well as talking about great figures from history. It's probably one of those things where if you're in a minority, wearing glasses is like this, where it's extremely common but it is the minority and where when you're young,
Starting point is 00:57:39 you're self-conscious about it but when you grow to a place where it's a point of pride and you can't imagine yourself otherwise. It's interesting you say you would swap if you could. I wonder if there are any left-handed people that would swap to become instantly right-handed if they could. Good question. Good question. Or it would feel like a sellout, you know.
Starting point is 00:57:58 So my Numberphile videos, I often film people doing mathematics on bits of paper and I'm filming them as they do it to explain it to me. So I actually have a great interest in making sure I'm on the correct side of someone if they're left-handed or right-handed so I can see what they're writing more clearly. So before I film anyone for Numberphile videos, I always ask, are you left-handed or right-handed? They're usually right-handed.
Starting point is 00:58:19 That might have been what Barack Obama was saying, get used to it. He might have been saying that to the cameramen, you know what I mean, positioning to sort of right with the pen and all that. You've got to come around the other side now. I always find it really weird when those presidents sign documents. And you know how because everyone wants to have the pen the document was signed with, so they have multiple pens, and they sign a different letter of their name with a different pen.
Starting point is 00:58:39 So if you've got like a 14-letter name, you'll have 14 pens, and you'll do this, this, you know, and change pen every letter and then give one pen to the person who did this and one pen to the person who helped with that and one, you know. But do you think your signature would look the same if you wrote each letter with a different pen? I don't think I could do it. No, I've wondered about that too.
Starting point is 00:58:58 That's strange. Let me try it now. Let me get a pen and paper. If I was doing it as my proper signature. Now, I'll take the pen out and then pick it up again i guess it kind of still works it kind of does yeah yeah you can do it famously in the west wing of course there's that extra two pens where they dot the i and cross the t as well that is there to be given away. Do left-handed people tend to, in your research and experience, wear their watch on their right hand?
Starting point is 00:59:30 I don't know. Good question. And do they wear their wedding and engagement ring on the other hand so it doesn't interfere with, you know, writing and activities? I wouldn't imagine they would do that. That would be something that was more traditionally held. But you never know. Having a ring, especially if it's an ornate ring with a diamond,
Starting point is 00:59:46 like I can imagine that would cause you some problems when you're writing. Tell us. If you are left-handed, get in touch with us. Tell us your stories and tell us, yeah, where do you wear your watch? Where do you wear rings? We want to hear. I wonder if there's anything geographical about it. Like are there any, you know, in different parts of the world,
Starting point is 01:00:02 do different cultures have more left-handed people than others? Oh, good question. Like what if we suddenly discovered there were no left-handed people in the Northern Hemisphere? They were all in the Southern Hemisphere, like some master. No one's ever realised it before. In my very scant reading beforehand, I didn't come across anything along those lines.
Starting point is 01:00:21 But it is an interesting question. Get in touch, unmadefm at gmail.com or Reddit or Twitter. We want to hear from you, lefties. And, Tim, have you done your secret words today? You know what? Only one of my children was at home and they said tonight, oh, they're the only one secret word because the other one is out, and then they didn't give me one.
Starting point is 01:00:43 So I have fulfilled all righteousness because i was not given one and i have not said one well done you didn't accidentally say one smug at that indeed let me tell you about righteous and smug you know how i said that i invited our patreon supporters to ask questions and suggest things for us to talk about today yes yes i was given two secret words from one of our patrons. So a patron supporter called Bart, his daughters each contributed a word. I have planted them in the podcast. People can try and figure out what they were if they wish.
Starting point is 01:01:17 I think it is figureoutable because my belief was I didn't forget, you know. So I think forgetting is poor form. Right. I managed to not forget. But I do respect that it can be hard to get them in. And it does drift out of your head. And I had it written on a piece of paper here in front of me in pink so that I'd remember. And sometimes I found after a conversation point had passed, I was like, oh, that would have been a really good moment to drop that word in.
Starting point is 01:01:43 And I missed it. I missed it. Yes. And you don't want them to sound too contrived. And I missed it. I missed it. Yes. And you don't want them to sound too contrived. And I think mine were a bit contrived. But they're in there, the two secret words. Oh, because I wasn't looking for them then, I guess.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Was the word left one of them? No. No. No. Neil Armstrong. That's true. No. It is difficult to get them in.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Every now and then I ask them on the way out As we're leaving If they want a secret word for the sermon as well on Sunday And I'll sometimes do it in the sermon Even though they're out with their youth group or something like that I get a little bit of enjoyment out of that Do they ever give you like Jesus or God or something like that or Bible?

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