The Unmade Podcast - 12: One Star Review

Episode Date: June 7, 2018

Now, Tim, you are doubtless aware that my birthday is very fast approaching. You always make such a song and dance about my birthday and phone me up and you really make me feel special when the time comes. Really? No, never. Well, yeah, I always remember it. Yeah, you always remember it within like a month or two either side. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When it's that same date on a different month, I go, oh, that's a coincidence. So how's this an idea for a podcast? It's an annual podcast. It's only recorded once a year and it's called Brady's Birthday Presents. Okay. And now what the idea is, is that we get all the listeners, you know, I would hope in the tens of thousands of people to all send me a present. And then for the podcast, I open them and like discuss my favorites yeah not cheap tatty

ones i'm talking nice stuff you know like watches and iphones and yeah and i like review them and talk about the creative things that people sent me from all around the world not only is this a good idea i wish i'd had this idea why is it at my birthday you've missed your birthday that was back in april like a lot of people might be thinking, oh, this is just some idea for Brady to get lots of cool presents. No, no. Some cynics may think so. Man. So my idea is if there are any presents like that I don't like or I get two of or just things that I don't think suit my house, I give those ones to charity.

Not to me, to charity. I want to be seen. Like at least I want the appearance of like, you know, like a good cause and generosity because I think that might make people send me, to charity. I want to be seen, like at least I want the appearance of like, you know, like a good cause and generosity, because I think that might make people send me even better presents. Well, and if they send multiple, then they know one of them will go to charity. Yeah, like if you send me two Rolexes, I might give one of them to charity. There's a better chance of one of them ending up in charity than if you only sent one, put it that way. I think we should pilot this, Tim. I think we should actually make one.

It's definitely worth piloting. There is nothing to lose from piloting this idea. Exactly. And it helps charities. It may help charities. Depends. Only if you send, like, not very good stuff. Or multiple good stuff.

I think you may have a conflict of interest in regards to this podcast idea. I mean, if it's really successful, we could also have a Christmas edition where people send me Christmas presents. Well, hang on, hang on a second. I feel like we may be forgetting something. All jokes aside, there is an idea in this, like a birthday card idea. Will there be money in the cards? Man, you're devaluing the heartfelt messages that the listeners may want to convey to you on your birthday. My grandmother used to send me a birthday card every year with a $10 note in it.

Oh, yeah. And that was the only time I would ever get like a note as big as a 10. And oh, the excitement of opening that and seeing that green paper 10. It was back when we had the green paper tans. Yeah. That was just like pure greed and excitement, seeing a $10 note in a cart. I don't, and like, you know, I probably read the message from my grandmother, I don't know, but seeing that $10 note. Do you remember that scene?

I think it's in Family Ties when Alex just lifts up the cards. Yes. You know, doesn't even read them, just opens them out face down to see if anything falls out, and then puts them aside and just goes through them systematically. He has a technique to flick them, and if no money comes out when you flick it, you just toss it in the bin.

OK, I'm going to show you how to get through this pile of cards in minutes. Take your letter opener. You take your card, give it a clean slit along the top, like this, give it one of these, quick snap of the wrist, no money comes out, in the trash. Who's going first with real ideas? Yeah, look, I've got something. Just to bring us back into the higher and more sensible level

that this podcast usually works on. I do have an idea. Right. I'm denied about this because it does have a visual element involved in it. But I think it's a fun visual element. The podcast is called A Face. Now, I've been fascinated by the idea of how much you can tell about a person just by looking at their face. Like, I'm one of those people, I love to sit

at a cafe and just watch people walking past and you just see them and it's enjoyable and you just, you wonder about them and their lives. And I'm just wondering like a face, how much can you tell from a face? So is there a podcast idea in terms of like Googling a face images and choosing a face at random, putting it on and basically then having a conversation about the face. What can we tell about this person? What is their name? And you think of a name that suits them. What is their job?

What is their age? Which country? What nationality? But then you even start going, like, what's the backstory with this person? And then their personality. Are they an introvert or an extrovert? And you have a conversation about a random person's face. So you just make up a story based on a first impression?

Well, no, see, it's a bit of a contested idea because it's like a Sally and you go, no, that doesn't look like a Sally. That's a Barry. I see that you're not necessarily agreeing, but together you're kind of coming to a consensus or a disagreement, but together you're trying to come up with an identity for a person knowing nothing except what they look like. You could choose someone who you do know the backstory of, either because they're an obscure person, but relatively famous, like the FBI director in 1962 or something like that, or... Wouldn't that be J. Edgar Hoover? Isn't that what's his name? No, no you know what i mean someone that you can find off an obscure scientist or an obscure film star or someone like that yeah or someone that you happen to know or someone can send in their face with a photo of their face with a whole bunch of information about them you know what i mean like

one person the two people can talk about it but a third person or one of the person guesses and talks about the person, but another person, there's a bit of a reveal at the end, or they open an envelope and read at the end, you know, all the details. Or you pan out and they're like in a wheelchair or they're standing on top of Mount Everest or they're wearing a soccer uniform and they're a world famous soccer player or something like that. Oh yeah. There could be more information in it that way. You pull out to reveal context you could do it that way yeah i mean the idea you get the idea don't you it's like who is this person i get the idea what what are you not that you have to achieve something but what are you potentially achieving

here are you saying something about how people make judgment calls and stereotypes based on people's appearance or is it just the fun of making up a story? Or like, is there a higher purpose? Or is it just... There's not a higher purpose or a moral purpose or anything. All those things might be nice byproducts. It's more derived from the interest in the difference between the way you might, what you might think about a person by looking at their face and what is actually there. Like, you might find yourself, I found myself in a work situation or some kind of situation where you're in a meeting with people for a long period of time across the table from

someone and you don't really know anything about them. And so you're just wondering about them or you're doing public speaking and your eye forever catches one person who looks like they're frowning. And even while you're giving your public speaking address, you're wondering, is that person angry? Or is that person just concentrating? What is with that person? Are they disagreeing with what I'm saying? Or are they agreeing? So, there's something around you trying to read people. And like I did a bit of a very, very brief search, and there is a little bit of psychology around people's faces and what you can tell about them from their face. I mean, there's some obvious things you can tell, which is not that interesting.

You can often, you know, mostly tell the gender and you can pitch the age a little bit and all that kind of stuff and there's nationalities. But it's more beyond that. I'm trying to find out is this a person who gets angry often, this person looks angry, or is that just the face they have and they're actually an incredibly charming person. So I find it fascinating.

And it's hard to work out how to get to know that, you know, like in real life, you actually get to know the person. You're like, oh, wow, that first impression was, you know, really quite different. I was at this dinner one time, Tim, at like a, it was like a science event or conference I was at. And just a few people went out to dinner like the night before. It was probably 10 people at the table. few people went out to dinner like the night before. There was probably 10 people at the table. And sitting opposite me was like this, just like basically an old man with a foreign accent.

I didn't think much of him, just that he was some old dude, probably some old scientist. And about halfway through the dinner, this person next to me leaned over and said, do you know who that is opposite you? And I said, oh, no, I don't. And they told me his name and then said he's a Nobel Prize winner. He won the Nobel Prize in chemistry. Wow. And suddenly I looked at him differently and thought, yeah, he's got something, that guy.

He's got this authority and aura about him that only a Nobel Prize winner could have. And before that, he was just some old dude. It was only when I knew he won the Nobel Prize that I looked at him and thought, yeah, you've got that thing that only Nobel Prize winners have. Yeah. And it made me realise that, well, you know what it made me realise? That I had no idea.

Well, you're projecting it onto them, aren't you? Yeah, exactly. So I guess I'm interested in what you project onto a blank face. Like, for instance, you find a person who looks kind of maybe awkward and a little bit nerdy or something like that. And you might make those judgments about that person. But then if you happen to see them in, you know, like Q Magazine, like a rock magazine, and they happen to have, you know, the coolest new album this week. And you're like, oh, they look so cool. Like that quirky awkwardness is actually a total, you know, it's a slanting alternative kind of look and

the whole context around it. I think there would be a message of this podcast that people aren't what they seem like, you know, that would definitely be the thing you would take away from it. You were first, because I reckon 99 times out of 100 people are going to get it wrong and go completely down the wrong path with each person. So it would be a takeaway that when you first see someone, you know, you shouldn't judge them. You don't know who they are or what their story is. Yeah, you can't judge a book by its cover. But that's, I wouldn't want the podcast to be overly guided by that

or else it would forever being, well, I know this person looks a bit rugged, but they're actually got a heart of gold or something. That would become a bit ordinary after a while, even though that's- There would be occasional episodes where it'd be really exciting though, and you got exactly right who they are and what they do and stuff. It'd be like, oh, wow, you really nailed that one. I mean, the fundamental weakness of this, which you identified at the start is you have to see the person's face to be enjoying the podcast. And a lot of the times when you listen to podcasts, you might not want to be calling up a web page

and looking at a face and things like that. I mean, maybe you could change your podcast cover art to be the face, but then what would that mean for old episodes? Yeah. The problem is the visual element as you identified. But you could probably get around that. That's right. You could change it each time.

But when you're out, you know, on a long drive or on a run, you don't want to have to be faffing about on your phone to look at something. Like whenever you have to see something, it is a slight pain in the butt. But I don't think it's insurmountable. And I do think it would work as a podcast. Just some quick trivia then. I googled face and then clicked images. Who's the first image that came up?

Well, obviously, the way Google works now, it's different for everyone. But I thought maybe the Mona Lisa. No, Obama. All right. Obama. Do you know who else was on the first line? Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine. Oh, yeah.

That's pretty cool. Let me Google face on. Oops. It just auto-filled out to Facebook. Face. Oh, you see, I've got, mine's just stock images of faces from stock sites. It's funny when you look on, you mentioned Facebook and you're looking for someone, you know, you're wondering about someone you haven't seen for a long time, or you're wondering

about someone that you've met and you go looking for them. Like I was at a conference the other day and I was like, oh, so-and-so look up. And so you find all these people with the same name as that person and they all have lives and they all look totally different and they're different ages and it's so fascinating. And you feel like they've stolen your friend's identity. You can't be walking around calling yourself Tim Hyde. That's right. Who are these people?

Pretenders. Do you know what a good episode of your face podcast would be? To do like, you know, welcome to episode 19. I've got a face for you today, Tim, and you look at it and you speculate on the person and who they are and what they might be. And then I reveal it's like someone from your childhood, like it was your best friend in primary school and they're all grown up and you didn't recognise them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How cool would an episode of that be? It was someone you knew all along. Yeah, that would be clever. I have a face that people, like I have

deep set eyes and I don't have very good vision. I obviously wear glasses, although that wouldn't be obvious to anyone who's listening. But anyway, I do wear glasses. You do sound like a guy who wears glasses. So I often, you know, I squint a lot, although I shouldn't with wearing my glasses, but I still have to. And so I think people think that I'm frowning a lot and I've had that feedback. Like, what's wrong? You look concerned. Like, I'll be just walking along and i'll be looking and i'm just like i'm no i'm good i'm good i'm all good and so you do have deep set eyes and always because you know how

glasses makes it look like your eyes are like where your glasses are basically so they're at the front of your face yeah whenever you take your glasses off i am always freaked out by how far back your eyes are it's like a good half a foot back. They're like set in the back of your head. That's the only reason I wear glasses is to sort of balance out the illusion. You can't go around with this. But something, they're not corrective. They just create the optical illusion that my eyes are in a proportionate area.

I read an article once that talked about how Bill Clinton was a master politician in the way he was able to convey interest in people. He, you know, because he looks at them and gives them a great sense of feeling their attention. But the person also noted somewhat cynically, they were talking about how he's mastered the art of when he's looking at something like, hey, president, look at our factory here, or look at this school children's project or what, you know, you do so much of when you're a politician, that he looked with his, not with his mouth closed, but with his mouth like just slightly apart.

And the person said that the psychology of that is that you look interested, like you almost could go, oh, wow. You know, you're not sort of, you'd be overacting if your mouth was wide open. But to have your mouth closed, you're more likely to look disinterested, even though you'd be overacting if your mouth was wide open. But to have your mouth closed, you're more likely to look disinterested, even though you might be quite interested. So, having your mouth slightly apart has that look of, oh, wow. And so, that he just did that all the time. And it's one of those sort of political sort of skills. And they were writing about that, about him. If a stranger looked at your face, what do you think they would think about you? Well, apart from what I've already said, that people tend to see frowning, but I guess if I'm, I don't know. I don't know what they would think. It's hard to they would think about you well apart from what i've already said that people tend to see frowning but i guess if i'm i don't know i don't know what they would think

it's hard to know what about you have you had any feedback along those lines no i mean a lot of people would assume i'm a model obviously well apart from not if what if they weren't looking at like your your professional glamour pics that you've had done what if they were just looking at like i don't like to talk about those professional like i'm not talking about your rippling body muscles or anything i'm this is just like from the neck up right oh you mean my face because obviously yeah i do a lot of torso and chest modeling but the tats would give it away so without the tats or anything i don't know um no i don't think i look like anything it's impossible to think about about yourself isn't it But you can certainly invent a story looking at someone else.

Anyway, there we go. A face. Doesn't involve people sending me presents. No. But it's not a bad idea. Hey, everyone. I want to tell you about today's sponsor, Brilliant. But before I do, I want to clarify something you might not realise.

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Go for it, man. What do you got? I was listening to some songs by Garth Brooks the other day, who's a musician that both you and I have a soft spot for, and it gave me my idea for a podcast. This is what the podcast is called. It's called Unanswered Prayers, and each week someone comes on the show and talks about something that they really wanted in their life and they didn't get it

and they're glad they didn't get it and it turned out for the best. Yeah, yeah. Because for people who don't know, the song Unanswered Prayers is about a guy who goes to a football game with his wife and he bumps into an old high school flame who he used to really, really wish he could get together with. Just the other night at a hometown football game my wife and i ran into my old high school flame and when he meets her in this sort of grown-up time he realizes that she

she wasn't quite what he thought she wasn't quite the angel that i remembered in my dreams and they don't really get along that well and he looks at his wife full of love and he's so glad he ended up with his wife the moral of the song is you know i'm thankful to god that my prayer that because each night he used to pray that he could get this girl and he's really glad that god didn't answer his prayer Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. So obviously my podcast isn't about necessarily people who pray or ask God for things. It's just for people who want things and desire things or try to get things in their life. They fail and then they realise it was for the best that they didn't get it. I reckon it would be quicker to explain it if you sang the song.

at it. I reckon it would be quicker to explain it if you sang the song. The final line of the song is, some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. That's right. This is not a religious podcast I'm suggesting or about people who pray or about God, although that's not precluded. People who have a religious belief may pray for the things they want. But if you're not religious, you could just really want something and you don't get it. And then maybe soon after or maybe years later, you realise that was actually quite a good result for me that I didn't get it. Do you have anything that fulfils this requirement, Tim, this kind of unanswered prayer, something you wanted and didn't get? And you look back now and think, actually, that was probably for the best.

Yeah, look, I don't know. Look, there's so much in this. This is a brilliant idea, by the way. And can I just say, I've got another Garth-related idea that I was going to use. I wasn't going to use it tonight, but I've got it on the list and I'm waiting for the right time. And I'll put it off a little bit now. All right. Because I think-

Put it back a bit. I've got another Garth one as well. Garth gives us so much. Country music is pretty good for thought-provoking stuff, isn't it? You know, my pet dog died and my car broke down. And they're always like about like very lifey things aren't they so well i can see a podcast called pet dog died and people call and talk about their pets that died that's actually that is on my list so don't ruin it that's one

of my ideas and my car broke down that's less interesting is it your first car we've already done that come on unanswered prayers what's your unanswered prayer unanswered prayer got to think about this. Come on. You have to go first because you've been thinking about it because it's your idea. I do have one because I worked for the BBC in Nottingham for a long time. And then I went on a one year like secondment or an attachment, as the BBC calls it, to Birmingham. And I worked in Birmingham for a year on a TV video project. And at the end of that year, I'd quite liked my time in Birmingham and I thought, you know, things were moving forward for me. And if I went back to Nottingham, things might stagnate a bit. So I applied for this job that they'd advertised in Birmingham

involving videos and training and things like that. And I went through the interview process and got to the final interview and I didn't get the job. I was disappointed. I thought, oh, I'm a good candidate, but they didn't pick me. I was a bit put out like you are when you don't get a job. I went back to Nottingham and within a few weeks, different things had happened that I ended up doing this side project with the University of Nottingham involving videos. And then I moved over to YouTube and things happened. And my whole YouTube career started because I went back to Nottingham and that would never have happened if I'd got the Birmingham job. And I think if I had got that Birmingham job, I would never have started making YouTube videos. Wow.

Which has become such a huge part of my life in so many ways. I would never have started making podcasts. And like, I think my career has been for the better because of all the things that involve YouTube and podcasts and things like that. It would never have happened if I'd gotten that job I really wanted in Birmingham. I really wanted to get it because I wanted to stay and I didn't get to. There you go. Gee, that's fascinating, isn't it?

You could call this sliding doors. There's a little bit of that in it. It is a bit. Of course, unless you like are really, really unhappy in your life, you will look back at everything that you didn't get and think it was for the best. Yeah. Because it's got you to where you are now. There is a degree of that.

But, you know, I think it's good to choose one or two big things like the high school flame or the job you didn't get or the house you didn't get to buy. Things like that. I think those big moments are quite fun to look at. It is very sliding doors as well, yes. There's an idea there for a spin-off idea called Answered Prayers where you think about the things that you've got and you wish you hadn't. They've taken you down the wrong track. Here I am in this job and I'm stuck here. That would be a more depressing one but in some ways a funnier one

to talk about the house. I bought this house and it's just, it's a total, or the car, it's a total lemon. All I wanted was this car, I got it and it's a total lemon. It's fallen apart, this house. You're wanting one out of me, and I'm trying to think about it because I feel like I've got everything I've ever wanted. You're living the dream, Tim.

You're living the dream. All the prayers have been answered. Everything you could ever want. You've never not got anything you wanted. Did you apply for anything at university you didn't get into, or did you get your first choice at university? I got into my first choice. You're living got into my first choice you're living the dream then i dropped out and changed to another course that i wanted to and got into that and then i got a wonderful wife and a lovely family and

well you'd be terrible on the podcast i don't i'm a terrible guest fair enough i mean it's something that sometimes requires a bit of thought as well so yeah yeah yeah anyway like i said i think every i mean unless someone is like some miracle worker everyone has wanted things they didn't get so i think everyone can tell the story it's just you know sometimes you can't quite so easily draw the dots about how it turned out for the best whereas me like a month or two later my whole youtube career started because i didn't get that job i'll tell you there's another parallel idea which which is another spinoff idea, which is unanswered prayers that you're really frustrated they weren't answered. This is the more common scenario.

Like, I'd look back and I'd go, oh, jeez, you know, I'd like to, let's say, really practice the guitar hard, you know what I mean, and be a really great guitar player and be in a rock band. Like, and I still wish that had happened. Well, yeah, things you're still praying for. Things you're still, that's right, unanswered prayers that you're really frustrated by But I think this is good

Did you think of, were you thinking about Garth and then you thought of this idea or were you thinking I was out on a run and I was literally listening to that song when I thought, oh, this would be a good podcast Was it the live version where the audience takes over or was it the studio version? It was, yeah, it was on double live, yeah. That's a good album. Nice. Just one quick question about that Garth Brooks double live album Because you know I like Garth Brooks Yeah

And we know you do, right? Yeah So I don't want to besmirch him But he is kind of a bit of a control freak, I think Yeah Do you think double live was all recorded live at concerts? Or it was like some of it was recorded in studios and made to seem live? Oh, no, no, no, totally

Because it's very well recorded Yeah No, there's definitely what we call overdubs I I would say definitely. And many, many albums are done that way. Many live albums are touched up, even with a little guitar bit here or a vocal. And sometimes you can really tell. Yeah. I mean, the worst ones are, you know, a studio recording with an audience in the background or screaming or so forth. But I mean, they're getting better in terms of, you know, live recording is getting a heck of a lot better. And most artists record most shows digitally and really, really well.

Pearl Jam release a recording of every single show, like within a few hours of the show finishing online. Or they did that for several years. So there's hundreds and hundreds. They had like 20 albums in the top 100 of America at one stage because they just were all out there. And you can download them and, you know. So lots of them are recorded and they really they sound really really great but i'd be surprised if they if there wasn't something that was touched up on it you keep

talking about that and i'm just gonna nip off and get a drink i'm joking garth is um well firstly it's recorded over several live shows so there's two types of live albums one is that's recorded that's one show right there we go the other sort is where they've got a great performance from a whole bunch of them and put them together like midnight oil have a an album called scream in blue and it's from a few different shows put together but it's i probably think probably all the better for it well my unanswered prayer right now is wishing i hadn't asked you that question you're gonna cut that whole bit out of the final recording, I can tell. All right.

We'll release that as like a limited edition content. Unanswered prayers. Yeah, I think that's a go. I think that's really interesting and I think people would love it. You going to sing us a line to see us out? No. Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. All right, what's your next idea? There's a podcast here called Plausible.

The premise of this podcast is, is it plausible that this happened? And I guess the context I'm thinking about is in terms of a film. I watched Jurassic Park again the other night, right? Yeah. Now, I could stop here and say, is it plausible? But I want to push in even more specifically towards the end of Jurassic Park when everything goes crazy. I'm going to presume everyone's seen this film. The original Jurassic Park, this is. The good one. 1993. You know how the place is packed full of people? Like there are scientists working in the laboratories

and there are all sorts of guards and everything. But by the end of the film, you're focused in on those few main characters, apart from the lawyer who's, you know, the blood-sucking lawyer who gets eaten by the T-Rex. You're focusing on these characters so much and they run and they get to the helicopter and they take off in the helicopter and get away and that's a lovely end of the story when they're flying over the ocean. And I suddenly thought, what about all the other people?

Where are they? And so I was just thinking, this isn't plausible. Suddenly it all fell apart. And Jurassic Park has felt plausible for a long time. I don't want to pour cold water on your idea straight away here, Tim, but they deal with that in the film. How? They evacuate the island because the storm is coming early in the film. There's an evacuation. You don't mean to the boat that Nedry's getting to? Yeah. Everyone

is told to leave the island because this big cyclone or whatever's coming. So everyone leaves the island except for the one, like all the security guards go. They get rid of the security guards, even though they're having trouble. I think so. Although if that's the case, why don't the other people leave? Is it because they break down on their tour? I think they evacuate the island. They evacuate everyone except that one security guy with the gun. Yeah, and Samuel Jackson. And Samuel Jackson. I don't know. I could be wrong about that. I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting. It's not plausible.

It's not plausible. Yeah, well, it's not plausible you evacuate a whole island full of dinosaurs anyway in the first place so don't evacuate the dinosaurs they evacuate the people no no i've got a plausibility issue with a film that i think i wrote down on my unmade podcast list it was it was i was going to use it to get into a films in a different way but it sort of fits your idea so i'll bring it out now whip it out is it plausible that captain von trapp in the sound of music oh i love this film would turn from being such a hard ass to such a softy so quickly because he's like you know how he's hard and really difficult and you know and then just in like the space of three seconds when he sees the kid singing, he suddenly goes, oh, I'm not going to be a hard ass anymore. I'm going to be big, softy and sing songs with all of you guys.

He turns too easily. I'm okay with his arc of going from a hard ass to a nice guy and rediscovering his happiness. But he does it too easily. I don't know. There's a couple of times when they sing when that happens, though. Like it's when they come back and they're all wet. And he says, you're going inside, and they try and say they were collecting blueberries and all that stuff,

and he sacks her and then goes inside and he's, like, really moved and then has her back. So that scene in itself feels plausible. I just think he turns too easily. The one thing that's caught me about this film, and I do love this film. Me too. I do love it. And I love the love scene at

the end like i just love you know what i mean like you can't what the love what love scene is this from an uncut version what's the love it's a love scene where he says you can't be with someone else you know be with someone when you're in love with someone else and his head turns and i think that's i think that's really beautiful i think it's one of the truly romantic moments in hollywood to be honest is that when he's talking to the other woman he was gonna be with no no no he says the countess or whatever he gets rid of her right and yeah then he goes gets rid of her not in a pulp fiction get rid of he doesn't like take care of her like no he she just leaves right but then he goes walking in the garden and he goes up to the little gazebo. She, to be fair to the Countess, though, she's very gracious about it.

Like, she's a classy lady the way she handles that. Oh, yeah, but she sort of covers. She sees it and walks away, doesn't she, in a way. She doesn't let him say it. Her pride doesn't let her say it. She goes, on the other hand, I don't know if I'm, you're quite the man for me. And, you know, it's no use. And that's all he has to say is it's no use. And she's like, oh, she's out of there.

Anyway, the bit, there is a, I think there is a plausibility issue. I do buy that he kind of falls for her. The bit I don't buy is his timeline of the story. Because when they're in love and everything and they're just chatting, he says, do you know when I first fell in love with you or started loving you? And she goes, when? And he says, when you sat on that stupid pine cone at dinner. And it's like, no, you didn't.

Like, that's too far back. Like, she was new and you were annoyed with her. He was just annoyed by her then. I think he's rewriting history there. I don't think that's true. He's just trying to keep in the good books. He's a smart man. I really did like those dresses you made out of curtains.

I thought they were really nice, no matter what anyone says. I like the idea of your plausibility idea, Tim. I wouldn't want it to turn into like plot holes and like consistency mistakes. Because, you know, there's a whole industry of that. Oh, yeah. But I do like the idea better of just like this isn't a plot hole. It's just like it doesn't seem like something someone would do. Like the motivation seems wrong to me.

Yeah, yeah. That's a better conversation, isn't it? Like there are lots of those. You're talking about those consistency things where someone's wearing a wristwatch in one scene and then they're not in the next one or their cigarette's longer and shorter. Yeah. And there are whole people employed on films,'t aren't they to make sure that those things

are consistent and sometimes they get it wrong so this is a well there's a good conversation in this podcast because you're thinking about the character and the decisions that they've made why do they do that and not that it doesn't seem right that's a fair critique because that's the writer's job and if it doesn't seem plausible then if you stop and start talking to the person you're watching the film with about it saying they wouldn't do that would they i think you've made maybe a mistake like i remember years ago you and i were watching beverly hills 90210 right and yeah this was a long time ago there was a scene where brandon's like mrs walsh brandon's mum and brenda's mum and she was on the phone in the kitchen. They're all sort of talking and stuff, right? And then Brenda asks her mum a question,

and the mum politely sort of just answers her, like just goes, you know, blah, blah, blah, oh, you know, sure, Brenda, just do that. And I remember mentioning to you going, that doesn't happen in real life. That's not plausible. You're like, why not? And you go, because the mum would go, shh, I'm on the phone. Like that's what a real mum would do.h i'm on the phone like that's what a real mum would do do you know what i mean like they wouldn't even 902 and i was ruined from that

point onwards but even the fact that she was facing them talking on the phone like she would have turned because when you're on the phone you turn your back on the where the noise and the conversation is to hear clearly or walk to the other side but she's not she's standing there like she's in the huddle with them on the phone and they're talking and she answers a question. You're like, shh, I'm on the phone. That's not plausible. And, yeah, that's where 90210, I think, started. Do you think it's plausible that all the people as cool as they are

in 90210 would be friends with Andrea? Well, they're not all friends with her. It's just Brandon connects with her her he's a nice guy on the over the journalist oh yeah yeah okay it's not just because she's 40 they're all 40 garth brooks the sound of music we're doing our pop cultures we're giving away a lot of guilty pleasures today anyway so plausible. I think there's a conversation in there.

And I think it's a fun thing to talk about. And I think people listening will be thinking of their own examples right now. Well, I hope they're writing some of them in the Reddit for us. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. You want another idea from me? No, I think I'm done. No, I'm just kidding.

I only like listening to my own ideas can you just like edit me in later on say saying i like it or something just tim just say good idea a few times and i'll edit them in later on as i do my idea on my own that would be an amazing revelation for people if it was revealed that you and i record these, like, on separate days and I really cleverly just put them together so it sounds like we're having a conversation. People are staggered enough when they find out that you're in London and that I'm in Adelaide. They just find that unbelievable. I'm not in London. Why does everyone in Australia think people in England are automatically in London?

There are other places in England that aren't London. Okay, I'm using it as the generic term. That's fair enough. You are in the UK. How's Sydney today, by the way, Tim? That's right. I said, hang on. My koala's just walked in. Out, fella. There we go. Now the kangaroo's coming. Hang on, where's my fosters? Hang on, mate. Just play your didgeridoo at them and that'll scare it off.

That's right Yeah, yeah, no, no, okay So yeah, they find that amazing So that would be funny if you edited it together What if one of us didn't exist at all? Like it was an imaginary conversation with a computer-generated voice Which one of us is more likely to be computer-generated? If you were listening to you and I talk

Which person would you think if one of them had to be a bot? Jeez, that's hard I which person would you think if one of them had to be a bot? Jeez, that's hard. I think people would probably think me because I have so much intellect and knowledge, people would think it could only be an artificial intelligence. Like they'd be thinking, no human can know that much stuff. That's what gives me away. He's so knowledgeable. He must be connected to the internet.

He must be. He must be. He's just spewing out. But would you choose that voice? It's an unusual voice to have chosen Why did the artificial intelligence choose that nasal twangy What if neither of us exist? What if Garth Brooks has just dreamed us up To help promote his double live album

And he waited till this episode to drop the bomb Yeah So we've been establishing credibility for all these episodes until now we've smuggled. Two links in the show notes to the Double Live album, people. I hear he has a marketing degree. This is a new form of marketing. Maybe the whole world exists as a simulation to sell Double Live albums.

He created the earth just so he could sell his albums. But who is he selling them to? In the beginning, there was nothing and Garth wanted to sell albums. So he said, let there be an earth full of money and people. I would love it if the beginning of time was basically like there was nothing and then like Garth just... There was just a big warehouse of double live albums. I would love it if the beginning of all creation in the universe

was like the beginning of a Garth concert. Like where it's just dark and nothingness. And then suddenly he shoots out of the stage into the air. And there was life. Boom! AKA the Big Bang. That's right, the Big Bang. I think we're getting a bit ridiculous now.

So here's my final idea. Like all ideas, this is one I've kind of expanded, but I'm going to shrink it back to the original idea and keep it tight. Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what name I'm going to give it. I'm going to call it, I'm going to, initially I'm going to give it the working title One Star. And in this podcast, Tim and I will travel to places on TripAdvisor that have only been given one star in the reviews and have really, really bad reviews

and go and record podcasts at those places. That is a good idea. So, this was inspired by my brother-in-law and he was telling us about this absolute nightmare kind of holiday village he stayed at, which is actually really close to my house. It's only like about 20 minutes from where I live. And he was telling me it was terrible. And he said it was so bad I had to write a TripAdvisor review. I read the review, which was absolutely hilarious because he's quite a funny guy.

And he wrote, he condemned it in quite funny terms. And then I just started scrolling through the rest of the reviews and they were all like that. It was just terrible review after terrible review, all of them just getting that one circle or star that you get on TripAdvisor. I thought, how does a place stay open getting so many bad reviews? And, like, it was so funny hearing him talk about how terrible the place was. Like, you couldn't make up the stuff.

And it made me think, there must be a bunch of these on TripAdvisor. How funny as a podcast would it be for, like, just two people like you and I trying, you know, who think we're funny sometimes to go with a handheld recorder, go to those places, stay there for a couple of nights and just record our experience. Oh, that's, yeah, that would be fantastic. I actually want to do that. That's a lot of fun. You know that I'm trying to get you to come over to the UK to record some podcasts here soon. Top of my list of things for us to do is to go and stay at this place wow i'm slightly less enthusiastic now in fact that's where i'm gonna put you for the whole couple of weeks you're here and i'm gonna stay here in my house i mean it's a good

idea in theory i didn't mean you actually have to go there i think that would be fun so going and reviewing places that you know are going to be absolutely awful. Obviously, the expansion of this idea, one star, is to also review films that got one star, go to theatre shows that get one star, buy products from Amazon that are averaging one star and review the products. You know, you could expand it out. But I like the idea of going to places that have been given one star and just experiencing the terribleness. Was there any sort of redemptive charm in the end? Like, does he, after your brother-in-law had talked about it for a while, did he sort of go, but in the end, I kind of came to like its rugged, weird charm? I think they were supposed to stay there for four or five nights. And after one night, they booked a cottage somewhere else. Oh, really?

It was pretty awful. Oh, man. But we will find out when you come over and we go and stay there. We'll go stay at that specific place. That's a good idea. Yeah. And we'll give it a description. It's like, okay, I'm in the bathroom and I'm looking at two cockroaches. Yeah, that's a good idea. Apparently, there's like some fenced off trampoline that you've got to pay two pounds to go and bounce on for a couple of minutes and things like that.

Oh, that's incredible. I heard about people who stay at a place near the beach in a town where you have to put coins in so the electricity works. Oh, yeah. I think, yeah. I've no places like that. Oh, really? You've got like a long row of coins you've got to put in

or else the air conditioning, you know, stops and everything stops. Everything stops, the whole electricity. It's like unbelievable. It's like how do you set something up like that? Have you ever stayed at a place that was so bad you thought, I've got to leave? No, I've stayed in some places that I wouldn't stay again. That's not saying much.

But, yeah, a couple of places where you're like, this is not, that's not good. That's a nail, you know, sitting up in the carpet. Look, I cut myself on that. Or it's just not nice. It's just dank. Funnily enough, there's one in the UK that we stayed at on the way out somewhere, on the outskirts of London.

It's called Brady's House. That's right. It's just near you, actually. Well, apparently that's how Fawlty Towers came about, the TV show. Connie Booth and I've forgotten his name now, silly me, main character. John Cleese. John Cleese, of course, was staying at a hotel and it was so awful, they saw the comedic side of it and they were prompted to write the sitcom about it and play it up, which is a bit of a classic story.

You'd obviously have to keep it secret from the place that you were doing this. You wouldn't want to ring up and say, hi, I want to do a podcast about how terrible your place is. No. Can I have a room for two, please? That's right. Would you tell the name of it? Would you reveal the name of it on the podcast? This is a good question to which

I do not know the answer. It's just the same as doing TripAdvisor, although it's probably more impactful. I think you could do it legally, of course. Yeah, I don't think it would be illegal. Be a bit risky. Be a bit risky. If you started, if you exaggerated and said things that weren't true, you could put yourself on dangerous ground. But also, I think, you know, it could be a bit bullying to use the pulpit of a popular podcast, if it happened to be popular, to kind of put people out of business. But if you're doing honest, fair reviews, you could name them. That's not the purpose, though, is it? The purpose of the podcast is for it to be entertaining and fun. Yes. So, you could probably feel more

relaxed about that and do it with, you know, a greater spirit about it. Exactly. I think you would have a bit more latitude to be funny if you didn't. I don't know. It's a good question. Yeah, yeah. I don't have the answer to it. You could do it with restaurants too, but it's sort of about a meal. Yes.

I stayed, I did stay in a small hotel once in New York City and I just remember them talking about the lice, like be careful with the, you know, don't go barefoot on the floor. And so I was really, really conscious about that, but it was maybe more it was in my head. I've since stayed at a, you at a much nicer place in New York, and you sort of feel more relaxed about it. But, you know, you're in a big city, and it's a really cheap place just for one night going through, and you're just... And the people running it said, be careful of the lice in your room.

No, no, no. Just everyone gave me advice. They're saying, if you're staying at a place that cheap, you know, like, oh, that's great, but just, you know, just be careful. How cheap was it? Oh staying at a place that cheap You know, like, oh, that's great But just, you know Oh, right You know, just be careful How cheap was it? Oh, it wasn't that cheap

It's probably more my imagination come to think of it Like it's You're just making it up That's right Actually, that was five stars And it was just a bit more cautious One star reviews One star reviews, yeah

Just for the experience So it's a little bit like an idiot abroad or something like that. You're going out to do some... Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I'd like it to feel review-y. I think it would be good. I think we should do it.

I want to make one, mainly because I want to go and see if this place is as bad as my brother-in-law says. Would you point out the good things as well, like give it a fair review, or would you just make a lot of tightly edited banter around the really bad stuff? Ah, it depends if it's funny. Yeah, I think that's probably it. I would just want it to be a fun show to listen to. Yeah. I'd love people to start suggesting places

where they've had nightmare stays as well and go to those places. Yeah. Like, seek them out around the world. It'd have to be funny because I don't think people... You don't want to listen to something about going to a bad place. You know what I mean? Like, imagining it and it's awful unless you're laughing. You've got to be funny because I don't think people, you don't want to listen to something about going to a bad place. You know what I mean? Like imagining it and it's awful unless you're laughing. You've got to be laughing.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to listen to someone like going through a terrible ordeal and like just like going through torment and unhappiness. No, you're right. It would have to be, you'd have to be taking the mickey. Should we do an idea from a patron?

Yeah, yeah. Go to patreon.com slash unmade FM if you would like to support our podcast. I think we're going to have to have a Patreon drive soon as well because we're trying to squirrel away a few extra dollars because we want to do this. Basically, we want to get together here in the UK and make some podcasts together in person. So that's what Patreon support will be used for.

It's not going to be used just to you know buy kfc garth brooks albums and garth brooks more garth brooks albums we if you are supporting us that is what you are contributing to some very special episodes that we hope to be bringing your way soon and as a patreon supporter you can have potentially your idea read out on the show as i'm about to do now for let's go for debbie you want to hear from debbie i do is debbie from canada no no debbie is from the usa she's currently studying and it's while she's studying that she listens to unmade i don't know how someone can study and read stuff and listen to a podcast at the same time but that's what she claims to do she says herself i

don't know if that's productive or not i'll have see, but it's been a good way to keep my spirits up. She has a Jack Russell Terrier, uncreatively named Jack, and I miss him so much now while I'm in college. But whenever I see Audrey or Lulu, that's my dogs, on Brady's Snapchat, I get so excited and she demands more videos of Lulu running. Here's Debbie's idea, Tim. She says, I'm not much good at creative ideas as evidenced by Jackie's name, but my idea for a podcast would be to describe a historically obscure object, or maybe just a random object, and the listeners would have to divine what it might be. It requires a bit of back and forth between the podcasters and the audience, but who knows, it could be fun. Anywho, thank you so much, Brady and Tim, for doing this podcast. I can't wait for more.

Best from Debbie. Hey, thanks, Debbie. Hmm, this is an I can't wait for more. Best from Debbie. Yay, thanks, Debbie. Hmm, this is an interesting idea. It's a complex one to execute. I think her idea falls into the same problem that your face idea falls into, in that you really need to see this object for it to work. So we're going to have to put that step in the process where the listener has to pause or something for a second

and open up a web page and have a look at some pictures of the object. But other than that, I think it could be fun. It would be quite fun listening to the host sort of holding and handling some weird object, trying to figure out how it works themselves. There's a little bit that goes on Antiques Roadshow about this. Antiques Roadshow is a show in the, I know UK people will know what it is and Australian people probably do too. And you can imagine from the title what it is really. It's a show about antiques. But they pull out something, you go, what is that? And they talk about it for a while and then you suddenly realise it was,

you know, used to peel carrots in the medieval era. I do this. Do you ever go into antique stores and find some object and you have no idea what it is or what it's for or what it does, but you feel like you have to buy it? Yeah. Well, you did this once when we were together. I remember you buying something, we weren't sure what it was. And it looked cool.

It was like a box with a speaker on it and a handle or something. It looked really cool. Yeah? Yeah. I think it was. I can vaguely picture it in my mind. Was it in Australia or England? No, no, no.

This is in London. Yeah, I can't remember what it was. It was sort of semi-electronic. Was it my pigeon racing clock? Yes. Yes, it was. Yes. I've got that right here. Hang on. I'll get it. I'll hold remember what it was. It was sort of semi-electronic. Was it my pigeon racing clock? Yes, yes, it was, yes. I've got that right here. Hang on, I'll get it. I'll hold it.

Hang on. Are you holding it now? I'm holding it now, too. Oh, yes. I can hear the little chain. I can hear you holding it. I'm going to open the catch. I'll be opening the box.

And it's this big metal clock with levers on it. What does it do? It's used for pigeon racing. So I think it times the pigeons in pigeon races. Wow, right. Yeah, and for some reason it's got some weird design. I don't really understand. I still don't understand it, but I love the box.

Yeah. I never really take the clock out, but I just leave the... It's got a great box. Yeah, it looks cool. It looked cool. I'll put a picture in the notes for the show if people want to have a look at it. Yeah, that's cool.

Well, there you go. See, Debbie, this idea is not insurmountable. We're surmounting it ourselves. The pigeon racing clock would be great for not, I mean, we've given it away now, but it would be great for not knowing what it is because it's a bizarre thing if you don't know what it is. I've also got a pigeon racing cage, like transport cage for pigeons, that you put all your pigeons in when you're driving them around. And I've got that in my office as well. and that's why i used to store all my cables in

so each pigeon slot is for different cables oh wow really do you take it on the road with you no if you saw what it looked like you'd laugh all right it's like a big wicker wooden thing yeah okay i'll put a picture of that in the notes as well for people to look at are there any other objects in your room man we should talk about that don't start me i've got all sorts i've got an old cannon shell that i keep coins in oh yeah like an artillery shell i better stop this could get out of hand you could make this just with stuff in my office brady's like a whole podcast weird stuff that brady's bought i think a few episodes in it would start to lose energy it's like well it does look a lot like a pen.

Yep, it's a pen. No, I've got cool stuff in my office. I reckon you could get 20 episodes out of just stuff in my office without, and all of them would be like interesting things. Right now, I'm looking at a packet of M&Ms from Air Force One with Barack Obama's signature on it. No, that's great. Things have been sent by people and stuff. So I reckon I could sustain it.

I've got a little glass case full of rocks I've brought back from interesting places all around the world. That's cool. Maybe it's just interesting to me. They're not all mysterious. They're just cool, cool objects in Brady's office. A lot of them are mysterious. You wouldn't know what they are at first.

Or they've got more of a story to them than you realise. Yeah. Anyway, nice idea, Debbie. I'm going to give Debbie a 7 out of 10. Well, it's better than you realise. Yeah. Anyway, nice idea, Debbie. I'm going to give Debbie a seven out of ten. Well, it's better than one star. Everybody, this episode has been brought to you by a new T-shirt that you can have to support The Unmade Podcast. Awesome.

This is something that Tim suggested. I think you basically suggested this after about two episodes. It was an idea you had you've been you've been pestering me about it since i have i think this is a brilliant idea i think everyone will want one of these i want one of these i love this so these these are basically just oh they're just unmade podcast t-shirts they'll put a link in the notes how would you describe it tim like they're region specific which is pretty cool yes it's a chance to show your support for where you live.

And they basically say unmade in England or unmade in Australia. I think it's cute. I think they're cute. And they're a fun way for us to raise funds for future episodes because we've got some grand plans and things we want to do that's going to require us to raise some funds. And instead of just like giving us brown paper bags full of money, you can have a T-shirt in exchange for your support. We'll see what happens with your presents.

We could cash some of them in. We could do that too. So anyway, all jokes aside and birthday presents aside, if you would like to check out these new Unmade Podcast T-shirts, we will put a link in the description and see what you think. And we've only, I mean, I haven't made one for every country in the world yet but if there's a country that is not represented which is almost every country in the world barring four or five you can get in touch and if enough people from that country get in touch then i guess we'll make one i hope we're doing

a canada one are we yes i have done a canada one because we do seem to have a lot of canadians that's awesome i think it's a winning, as you've heard me say repeatedly. Now we've done it. So we're going to finally find out whether you were right when you said, I think people would like these. We are going to find out once and for all if you were right. I'm looking forward to it. Anyway, get on it, people.

We appreciate your support. Are you going to get just the Australia one? I will probably wear one from another country. I can't see myself. I mean, I probably will buy one from each country. I can't see myself. I mean, I probably will buy one from each country. I buy each of our, all of our t-shirts. You're going to buy one from every country? One from each country. I'll just make hundreds and make a profit out of you. That's right. Yeah. I'll buy one from each country and I'll wear them. I like black t-shirts and these are black. Are they going to be in other colours too, man? Or are they just in black?

Because some of the writing's in white, I've found if you put them on other colours, it doesn't look as good. But I don't know yet. I don't know. I can only devote so much time to T-shirt design. You know, I've got pigeon clocks to maintain. No, anyway, sorry, that's a boring story. Cut that out.