The Unmade Podcast - 125: A Preference For Tighter Jeans

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

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Last week was the anniversary of the day of 21 waves. You remember from March last year when I was learning to surf? Oh, how could I forget? We actually literally have merchandise commemorating the event, so I know you shouldn't have forgotten. No. I actually wasn't able to get out for a surf on the exact day, unfortunately, the anniversary, but I was out a few days before and after.

And I'm not sure I've progressed that much in a year, to be honest. I think that was in some ways the climax. I feel like I peaked on the day of 21 waves, but that's because I've become a bit more hungry for quality. You know, I want a good wave and I let other waves go that would be fun and perfectly acceptable, but I just sort of hold off. And I don't know, in some ways I come away a bit unsatisfied, like, oh, I should have just caught some of those fun waves, you know, rather than... You're waiting for that 50-year storm. Bodhi believes the 50-year storm is coming next year.

50-year storm. What's that? That's kind of a legend. No, it's real. It's absolutely real. That's right. That's right, yeah. I've become a bit choosy and a bit of a purist,

and it'll be my undoing, I'm sure. All right, then. Come on, then. I know you want to ask me. Well, not unrelated to surf culture, you've been dropping hints to me that you've got a tattoo. I've been inked. Whoa.

Whoa. In what universe are we where Brady has got a tattoo? I mean, really, this is just of all the what's going on? Why? How? Remember episode 15? One of your podcast ideas was called My Tattoo. You talked about how people love talking about their tattoos.

I'm now that guy. Right. Okay. So. No, to be fair fair i'm not really i don't i don't show it to people or talk about it like it's not something i'm like is a big is a big deal but it has happened yes a legit tattoo okay so you sent me a message saying i'm here at a tattoo parlor for real like and when you say for real i know for real like you know you're not mucking around but yeah it's it's happened what have you got a big uh kfc tim across your back is that what's going on here did i actually not show you it or no no no no i have no i have no idea where

i have no idea which um symbol scientific symbol or physics little doobie doobie or element from the periodic tables or moon or space junk algorithm or piece of calculus you have decided to. It's a Nick Cave lyric. Isn't that long one that I read out last time? It's your money for nothing waveform that I put on the T-shirt. That would be commitment, yes. Yeah. No. Do you want me to show it to you?

I do, I do. All right, here we go. I don't know if it would be reversed on your camera or not, but here it is. Oh, man, they put it on backwards. Now, what is that? Is that the meta sign, like the Facebook company? Yes. Now, what is that? Is that the meta sign, like the Facebook company? It is the first initial of my son. Oh, right.

Lovely. An E. Is it an E in some – it's just a straight English E, like just on the angle you've got it. It's not like it's a – It's actually in the handwriting of my late father-in-law. So, my wife found an E that my late father-in-law had written who never got to meet, obviously, his grandson. Yeah. And she has one on her wrist and I have the exact same one on my wrist.

Nice. Nice. That's great. That's fantastic. So, you're linking three generations there with a little bit of ink. Yeah, exactly. No, that's a nice way to put it. So, yeah, it was like, yeah, it was just something.

I don't know. I'm that guy. I'm that like, you know, new enthusiastic dad who's had a child late in life and like has all the photo shoots now and gets the tattoo and does all this, all the stuff. I'm like just a big walking cliche. Yeah. Well, you're not a walking cliche, well yes you are that guy you are you're saying it is it is um awesome to to see you indulging in all this stuff and so joyful about it that's brilliant i'm really really really enjoying that i did not expect you to get a tattoo of all people oh. I'm hardcore. Let me put it like this. If I got a tattoo, and I've thought about getting a tattoo over the years,

but I can never really nail down exactly what to get. I like your idea. But the first thought that would come to mind is, oh, hell, what's Brady going to say about this? What eye roll am I going to get from my good friend? I've lost the high ground. You have, yes, yes. There we go. Any regrets?

No. Do you regret it yet or at all? No? No. Okay. Every time I look down at it, it warms my heart and I hope it always makes me think of him. It's, no regrets at all. Because it's very, it's very subtle and it's also kind of abstract. You know, you can't exactly tell what it is because it's quite curvy and loopy. And so, it's got a kind of a, it's kind of nebulous and I like that about it. It's not like, you know, you can't exactly tell what it is because it's quite curvy and loopy. And so, it's got a kind of a, it's kind of nebulous. And I like that about it. It's not like, you know, it's not like a date. Yeah.

And it's not like a full name and it's not like, you know, a picture of something. I like that it's a little bit abstract. Yeah. Nebulous is what I like about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It's not too literal. It's got a bit of playfulness in it.

E is a very famous number in mathematics as well. So some people probably will think it's some geeky E, but it's not. It's for the boy. It's a little bit that though, isn't it? Although E is not my, a lot of people in maths love E. I'm more of a pie man, I think. I don't, I think E, E doesn't do it for me. And E is what?

Is that right? Energy? Is that what E is in? No, it's another thing. It's's to do with it's another mathematical thing it's and that's about i think it's is it 2.7 e i think they chose e for euler yeah it's 2.71828 it's one of those numbers that goes forever it's euler's number who is a famous mathematician so they gave it e but um it's it's a lot to do with natural growth and nature it's often also associated with like interest and compound interest and stuff like

that so it's a natural number to do with growth very very significant in mathematics like as as as significant if not more significant than like pi it's that kind of status so so like the john 316 of the science world is e equals mc squared what's the e in that e equals that that is energy yes that is it well there you go yeah that's different though but yeah what do you mean it's completely completely unrelated and and that is not a number e that's like that can be any number it's the amount of energy so that what that means is the m is mass if you had a bit of mass like if that's like a, that can be any number. It's the amount of energy. So, what that means is the M is mass. If you had a bit of mass, like if you had like a piece of cheese and you were able to convert that into pure energy, which is very hard to do, but like nuclear bombs can convert mass into energy. If you were able to convert that into pure energy,

which is a very hard thing to do, the amount of energy you would get out of that piece of mass is the mass multiplied by C squared. And C squared is the speed of light squared, which is a massive number. It's how fast light goes times by itself. So, C squared is a massive number. So, the amount of mass, the amount of energy you get from a piece of mass is massive because you've got to multiply it by this massive number. So, the amount of mass, the amount of energy you get from a piece of mass is massive because you've got to multiply it by this massive number. And that's why in an atomic bomb, you turn just a tiny little bit of mass into pure energy using nuclear fusion or fission. Just a tiny bit of that mass of that bomb gets turned into energy, but it's a massive,

massive amount of energy, which is why atomic bombs are so powerful, because the conversion rate between mass and energy, like the exchange rate between mass and energy, is a massive, massive number. So, the amount of energy equals the amount of mass times the speed of light squared, times a massive number. How did Einstein come up with that? Like, it must have been just a theory. That's right. It's not like he's sitting in a chemistry lab and going, all well let me try no he didn't he didn't like guess or think

oh what would the number be it could speed of light squared would be a good number it fell out of other physics if people want to know more about this um area of science there's a wonderful australian movie called young einstein from the 1980s which explains it all perfectly it's absolutely brilliant. Don't you want to know any more about my tattoo? No, I don't. I want to get back. Let me ask the question that everyone wants to ask.

Like, did it hurt? No. No. Like a tiny, tiny little scratch. I mean, it's a tiny tattoo, to be fair. But it was just like a tiny, tiny scratch, if that. No, I would not call it. I wouldn't even call it pain.

Not as bad as a blood test, for instance, you know, like a needle. Similar, similar, like similar to having an injection or taking blood, but probably less, but for longer. I only had a five needle, five needles being used. They have different fittings they put on the end of the device. It can be like three needle, five needle five needle ten needle like depending on how thick you want your lines to be i had a five needle because it's quite a fine line oh it's like when you have a shave do you want a number five or a number two or something like that it's like a kind of like that but it's the actual number of needles that are pricking into you at

a time like oh wow so as a as the pen it's like the head they put different heads on the pen and the head on my pen had five needles going into me at a time. So it's like when you get, you know, those four pens that we love, you know, those four pens. And then if you unscrew the blue bit and then you've got those just the actual four inside, you know, bits and just with jabbing that into your arm. Yeah. Like that. Is that what he used? Did he use one of them or did you have to have all the same colour?

It was a she. It was a lady tattooist. Oh, that's nice. I like that. Is that what he used? Did he use one of them or did you have to have all the same colour? It was a she. It was a lady tattooist. Oh, that's nice. I like that. That makes the whole experience a lot more classy, I reckon. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it wasn't like a biker with a big beard or something at the back of a petrol station or something. Yeah.

Yeah. It was very delicate and artistic, yes. Was there a lot of the moment between I'm going to get this, did you walk in and say, oh, I'd like to have a tattoo with this, or did you go in and go, oh, I want a tattoo, and then you finally came up with this concept and then you were like, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. The tattoo appointment had been booked months in advance,

so we knew, like, the day and then- But it was only a few days before we totally zeroed in on exactly- we both knew we were going to get the E. Yeah. And my wife had decided on her father's handwriting. She thought I might go for a different E, but in the few days before we went, I said, no, I want the same as yours. I want them to match, you know. Yep. Yep.

And is that sort of- would it fit underneath a five cent piece? Oh, that's an Australian term, but would it fit under a minty? I would say you want a ten-cent piece. A five-cent might just cover it. A ten-cent definitely would. Australian ten-cent pieces being the universal size that everyone uses. It's smaller than a quarter. Right, yes.

For our American friends. So, yeah, and it's just below where my watch would sit, closer to my elbow. Oh, yes, you can actually see it. That's a good thing. So, when I'm wearing a watch, yeah, you still see it. And it's black? Yeah, yeah, black. Fine black line.

So, now, of course, whenever we watch TV shows and, we're watching like this dating show at the moment and like whenever there's a person who's got lots of tattoos and they say, oh, I want someone with tattoos as well. I always turn to my wife now and go, yeah, someone like me. Is this the start of it spreading? Are there going to be more tattoos? I don't know. I was warned that it can become addictive and once you get one, you want more. And literally, as I walked out and walking down the street, I said, oh, I'd like another one, actually. Like, I can imagine it becomes- I can imagine you get into it. I'm not going to be like, you know, that dude, but I could get another little one somewhere maybe. I quite liked it. Like on your neck, maybe? Nah, I don't know about that.

The thing is, like, you know, all my life, my main opposition to tattoos has always been, like, they're kind of permanent, which is, I guess in itself is not true, because you can get them removed, but they're kind of permanent and they're like a blemish on your body and stuff like that. But I think I've gotten to an age now where I realise, like, none of that matters. No, it doesn't, no. We've just got this old crappy, banged up body and what does it matter I get a tattoo, who cares, like look at the rest of my body Well also I remember an age where like I got a pretty significant scar on

my finger from procedure years ago and it moves your first thought is oh will there be a scar to like oh cool I've got a scar, like it actually becomes, like that's part of me and my story and my body and it's unique. And so what? You know, that's great. Yeah. Like I wouldn't get rid of it if I could because it's like, no, that was I remember the moments. I remember being in hospital.

I remember stories attached to it. And yeah, there's a podcast idea, though, to get a tattoo, to do a podcast while you're getting a tattoo. Not just talking about your tattoos, but while it's happening it's like oh how's that feeling and i can see this and that you can be talking to the person oh this is turning out well or is it hurting you know and then why are you getting it it would be cool if the if it was the same person every episode like and they just got more and more tattooed as the podcast went along. That's a cool idea. Yeah, yeah. So this person became like a living memorial to their podcast, all their podcast episodes. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I like that. That's cool. Speaking of immortal moments in the history of me, you may or may not remember my tennis shot of the century. How could I forget your tennis shot of the century? No, how could you forget? I will not let you forget. Don't tell me you've had that tattooed onto your back. No, but my local tennis club is having its tennis courts resurfaced,

and part of the process involved ripping up the old synthetic grass surface on which I played shot of the century on court one. Gosh, what a shame. Lost. Well, you'd think so. So, I went along on the day it was being ripped up and I went to the place where the shot happened, where the shot landed. Oh, no.

And I asked them to cut out that piece of court for me to keep. Because you know how when like like, famous stadiums close, people, like, keep bits of the turf or they keep the seats and things like that as souvenirs for the fans? Well, I didn't want this piece of court to be lost forever. So, I've kept a piece of the court about the size. How big a piece is it? I'd say it's about the size of two or three placemats maybe, a bit bigger.

It's got the green and the white line right where near where the ball landed. So, you know, obviously I could have it framed or kept. I don't know exactly what I'm going to do with it. It's sitting in my front yard at the moment, much to my wife's displeasure. Well, it's just out in the rain. Well, that's how it's spent the last 10 years. Yeah, it's fine to get rained on, yeah. Oh, that's how it's spent the last 10 years. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine to get rained on, yeah. Oh, that's funny.

So, obviously, I want to keep a bit for myself, you know, posterity. But I'm thinking maybe of having it cut into pieces and seeing if anyone else wants pieces, like as mementos. Is there like an international tennis museum somewhere? Somewhere in Florida or Wimbledon or somewhere? There must be something. There must be something. There must be something. I thought maybe just like, you know, just fans of the podcast and tennis in general might want a piece of this. So, if anyone's got any ideas what I should do with it, I could like cut it up into tiny squares or I

could like keep it big. I don't really know what to do with it. I'll put a picture of it in the notes and people can have a look and tell me if they have any ideas. What should I do with this piece of court? There might be some idea I haven't thought of yet. So they didn't want to take it and sort of ingrain it into the new surface, like as a sort of a handover legacy. You know how you do that with lawn? You know, you sort of go, oh, that's good lawn. Let's put that lawn over with this lawn so that it grows and spreads.

And they didn't want to do that to pass the legacy on. Well, that doesn't happen really with synthetic grass, so it wasn't really an option. Spiritually it happens, surely. Yeah, yeah. I got some very funny looks from the guys who were ripping it up when I asked them to cut me out a piece. But anyway.

I wonder if after you left they were like, oh, this must be really special and took a piece home for themselves. Of course, it wasn't the sacred ground where the ball bounced, but still, you know, it was near. Yeah. Parish notices. Lots and lots of comments and feedback and things have been coming in from people. I do read it all.

I love it. Keep it coming, people. I can't read it all out on the show, of course, but I'd like to read a few things. Lame superpowers, which was one of our ideas. Yes. Was that the last episode? I think it was the last episode.

Eric Larson, who is the cartoonist from Savage Dragon, who immortalised us in the Savage Dragon comic book. Legend. Oh, yes. Not cartoon. Comic book. Eric, who is a colonel. I believe we bestowed a colonelship on him for that. I can't remember.

We must have. Must have. I've still got that up on my fridge. It for that. I can't remember. We must have. Must have. I've still got that up on my fridge. It's amazing. I just love it as an image. It's one of my proudest moments. Anyway, needless to say, the useless superpowers bit was one that I actually did in my comic book, Savage Dragon, some years ago. The lamest was likely Wood Boy, who could turn any kind of wood into any other kind of wood.

It's a concept. I know a lot of guys that would love that, you know, going, oh, this is pine. Oh, now it's oak. Oh, you know what I mean? They can have that conversation in the shed. But it is lame. I love it. I love it.

Espen from Norway suggested the milkman. He knows exactly when the milk is the perfect temperature for the baby without having to drip it onto his wrist. Or possibly, he knows exactly how much milk the baby is going to drink so they don't have to measure up too much or too little milk. The milkman. That's handy. Espen has a new baby as well, I believe. So, this was, you know, this was on his mind. This was interesting.

Cameron from Canada wrote, Dear Tim and Brady, I think I may actually have a terrible superpower. I have recently been learning to meditate. I cannot float yet, but I am able to stop the hiccups at will. I don't know if this is an ability everyone possesses or if this is really my superpower, but by concentrating on my breathing, I can stop my hiccups immediately. After doing this for about 30 seconds, they're gone for good. This can be convenient when I'm alone, but with company pausing everything so I can concentrate for 30 seconds, it's more awkward than hiccuping. I'd be very interested to learn if any listeners can replicate this.

I simply put all my focus into counting my in and out breaths until I reach 10. Then I go back to one. I mean, I don't think being able to stop hiccups in 30 seconds is particularly impressive, but I am interested to hear how other people deal with hiccups and if they can stop them themselves. This is like, you know, one of life's great conundrums. Can you stop hiccups? I think it's super impressive. Just being able to stop it at will is phenomenal. I would like that superpower. Yeah, I would love it.

I can stop my hiccups. I know how to do it. And I do it in a similar way. What Cameron's doing is how you stop. The key to stopping hiccups is to concentrate very intently on something else. So, the way I stop hiccups is if I'm having a hiccup attack, I get my two pointer fingers. Yeah, my two index fingers from my two different hands. And I look at them really, really closely.

And I try to get them really, really close together without them touching. How close can I get them where I can still just see the tiniest gap between them? How close can you get your fingers without touching? Really, really, really close, but don't touch. Really close. So there's just the tiniest speck of light between them. And after you've concentrated on doing that for about 15 or 20 seconds, your hiccups are normally gone. Wow. Because you've been concentrating on something else so much. Do you close one eye or have you got two eyes open focused?

I usually do it with two eyes open. Oh, that's interesting. What do you do when you get a hiccup attack? I hold my breath. I do that big. Right. And just sit there with my heart beating too fast, my face going red for about four or five minutes. And then I pass out and then they're gone. Again though, you're concentrating on something else. Very, very diverting. I thought it was because it's about the amount of air in your lungs and stuff. And you're trying to moderate the amount of air. So you need to hold your breath to stop it.

I don't know. But if there's one thing I do know, it's that people are going to have something to say about this. So go to our subreddit or send us an email, unmadefm at gmail.com. That's right. How do you deal with hiccups? For any kids listening out there, I don't hold my breath for four or five minutes. That's not true. So, don't try that at home.

It's very dangerous. I had a really fun WhatsApp exchange with my brother-in-law, Darren, about superpowers. One of his suggestions was, Supper man who can deliver your evening snack anywhere at any time. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it supperman? Just whatever you feel like.

Cravings man or something, that would be the supplement as well. And then I came up with the idea of a superhero called Control Z, whose superpower is he can undo the last one thing he did. Oh, oh, brilliant, brilliant. But only one step back. He can only undo the last thing he did. Yeah, oh, brilliant. Brilliant. But only one step back. He can only undo the last thing he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He can't go all the way back.

I love it. Yeah. Do you reckon he'd get stuck in a moment? You know, that he'd just do something and then, no, and then try it, no, and then try it, no, and then try it, no. You get a tattoo over and over and over again and then wipe it off. No, let's go again. Yeah. That's a classic. It'd and over again and then wipe it off. No, let's go again. Yeah.

That's a classic. It'd be great in, like, playing cricket. It would be better. That's true. Maybe that's how you got your shot. You've been going for your shot time and again. And then after a million years in the metaverse, you've allowed this one to land. I asked people to tell us about sounds they make while listening to the podcast.

Oh, yeah, right. Do you even remember our recordings? I said that and you looked at me like totally blankly. Do you not remember? We discussed- What do you mean? Like when you're listening to the Unmade podcast, like, you know, involuntary sounds you may make, like a chuckle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You ask people to call in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand. Did I sound surprised? Like, oh, that's an interesting idea. It did hit me fresh, but I do remember you talking about it, yeah. Okay. Sometimes I feel like I'm podcasting with a goldfish with you. Have you ever thought about getting a tattoo? Sometimes the day after the podcast, I

messaged him about something that happened on the show that's just like burned in my memory and he like, it takes me about 10 minutes to jog his memory as to what I'm talking about. Dave said, in reference to reaction sounds, I had an unfortunate one last evening. While rocking my son to sleep, we often listen softly to podcasts, primarily unmade for a bit of white noise. He'd been asleep not even five minutes when Brady said, Old MacDonald had a fax machine. And I couldn't contain the muffled laughter. Needless to say,

it took another 10 minutes to get him back to sleep. Although I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. Jesse said, Hi guys, I've been a fan since the premiere of episode one. For obvious reasons, I find Tim's rendition of Money for Nothing really funny. So every time it plays, I find myself singing along to it in a loud, sarcastic way. One time I thought I was home alone and was doing some chores around the house while listening to the podcast on my headphones. And so like usual, I started loudly singing along to Money for Nothing.

And that's when my wife walked around the corner and gave me a look unlike any other. We awkwardly locked eyes for a moment and she said, what are you listening to? I just said, it's kind of a long story. That's kind of a Hugh Grant in, what's the film? Love Actually. Oh, yes. When he's dancing around as a prime minister. I think that's one of those moments.

That's right. The tea lady comes in. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Mary, I've been thinking, can we move the Japanese ambassador to four o'clock tomorrow? Certainly, sir. But this, I like this one. I did ask for people to send in

their sounds. The only person who did so far is Kelly. Dear Brady and Tim, I have a weird laugh that often bubbles out while I'm listening to the podcast at work. My co-workers say I sound like a hiccuping dolphin. How appropriate. I've listened to some particularly funny bits to capture the noise. Feel free to use it on the podcast if you so desire. Do you want to hear what Kelly sounds like when she's laughing at the Unmade podcast? I do, I do. Yes, a hiccuping dolphin. That's a classic.

It's like a little, there's a little yap inside it as well. It's like a little puppy that's stuck inside a dolphin perhaps. That's kind of cute, I think. Thank you for sending that in. That's lovely. Well done, Kelly. All right. Do you have an idea for a podcast?

I do actually, yes. I've been doing a bit of flying just recently, back and forward. And, of course, at airports these days, as in the old days too, but especially these days, you get stuck in long lines, queues. And particularly the other day I had this experience where, you know, there's the queue that sort of folds back on itself. So you sort of weave back and forward, back and forward and all that. and when you're in a long line like that waiting to go through the security checkpoint you pass people who are going the opposite direction right next to you and you are

looking forward so you see them and they notice and you lock eyes and the other day i locked eyes and smiled with this lovely lady the trouble is it's not just a passing hello because in a few minutes i'm going the other way and she's coming back the other way so you have to see the same with this lovely lady. The trouble is it's not just a passing hello because in a few minutes I'm going the other way and she's coming back the other way. So you have to see the same strangers again, which was awkward the second time. Like the second time it was like it was a briefer smile and then the third time we're deliberately looking

in opposite directions just to avoid the moment of like becoming closer and closer and closer friends. So there's all these little intricacies and little moments in being in a long line, a long queue. And I wondered about a podcast actually that exists entirely in one long queue. And this podcast will be called, wait for it, Q&A. Do you like that? I like the name.

So I think you're on the brink of a really good idea here you've given me a good idea what what actually is your idea though I want to I want to see what you think the idea is I think the idea is that you are you're you're making a podcast while you're in one queue so it starts when the queue starts and it ends when the queue ends or it's in the midst of it it's like how long have we been here now and you're describing the queue and how long you're there and you're interviewing other people in the line of the queue and just talking about why you're all lined up now at an airport that's pretty diverse because people are all going in different places but i'm thinking about also people like in the old days maybe we used to queue up for concert tickets so everyone in the line was like a massive

fan of oasis or whoever and so you just talk about the band the whole time and don't broach other subjects. But Q&A, that's my idea. I mean, the name is fantastic first, obviously. And the idea is really good. I'm not quite sure it's how I do it. I think my idea might be more the host, the star of the show, like if it was you, it would be the person you were standing next to in the queue that day. So, three days ago, it was the person you were standing next to at Adelaide Airport. Tomorrow, it's the guy you met queuing for the ATM.

The next day, it's the, like, so it's just the various people you meet in queues. I don't know about one podcast set in, I don't know, I didn't quite understand what your idea was, but I love the idea of just who did I meet in a queue this week. Another way, well, that's a good idea too. My idea is, you know, if you're in a queue, you sometimes just get talking to another person in the queue and you might have a long conversation with one person

and it's the only time you're ever going to know them really and the only thing you have ever going to know them really. And the only thing you have in common is that you're standing on the same bit of turf next to each other for an hour or whatever. That's the podcast, a conversation with someone and you're in the queue, why you're in the queue, all that stuff. I think maybe the idea is what I thought it should be then, yeah. But like so this one, this latest episode would have been that lady, that lady, next week it might be the guy you meet, yeah,

queuing for a hamburger. In a different queue, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and that's – and just – it's just interviews with strangers, but the mechanism for choosing the stranger is who I stood next to in a queue this week. That's right, yeah. You know, that's your shtick, yeah, yeah. But I like the idea of it being present.

Like here we are in a queue and let's talk about why you're in the queue. You know what I mean? Like, where are you going? And, you know, all that kind of stuff. And, oh, it looks like we're moving up now. And, you know, there's, oh, there we go. You know, there's all these little wonderful little intricacies. It's its own little universe in a queue about where you should stand

and how you walk and all that kind of stuff. Love it. Love it. Great idea. Great name. Do it. Do it. Great idea. Great name. Do it. Do it, man. Get that made.

Such a good, I'm astounded. You haven't had an idea that good for years. And the name is good. I'm particularly proud of the name. I love the name. Yeah, the name's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to play with something along the line,

like whose line is it anyway or it's your line now or something like that. Walk the line. Walk the line, yeah. But no, Q&A is good. It's funny how when you're in a long queue, and I think you would do this even more than me for sure because you do a lot more flying and internationally and those queues are longer,

is how the people around you become really familiar to you. Like they become, you know, like, oh, there's that guy. And then you see them later on. Like the other day I came through into the airport and I was sitting there having a coffee. My flight was delayed, so I took a bit longer. Another guy came and sat down at the table next to me. We didn't chat, but you just sit there for 45 minutes

and I was reading a novel and you'd look up and there he is again. So he becomes like a familiar face to me. And he was wearing his glasses up on his head. know like most people put their sunglasses up there this guy had his reading glasses up on his head yeah and so later on in the plane i looked three seats forward and there were the glasses on his head i was like oh there's my guy again you know and then yeah and then like three days later i flew home again and i'm walking to get my bag and suddenly he's walking next to me and he's got his glasses on his head again. I'm like, well, it's like we've been away on a trip together.

Like we don't even know each other's names. I was going to say the great circle of life is if you see someone checking in and then you see them at the other end at luggage claim. It's like, oh, my God, like we've done this whole journey together and you're still here. But you've taken that a step further. You even saw him on the return flight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was amazing, yeah. And it's like, ooh, I just feel like I want to say,

oh, back again, home, here we go. Like we're all part of one big village or something. It was really funny. What's the longest queue you've ever been in? Oh, that's a good question. It may be something as boring as a concert ticket, which would be something like for you to, I waited like two hours because you get there at 5 a.m. or 6, you know. Not counting queues where – like if you're at the airport and you're allowed to go sit down somewhere because your flight's delayed.

That's not – strictly you're in a line, but this has got to be a standing up experience. You've got to be in a queue. I can't think of one longer than that. What about you? I was once in a very long one arriving at San Francisco Airport waiting to go through customs. It was very long. I remember being in a really long one to get on a bus to go to a music concert in Japan,

like a music festival. Oh, yeah. And you got off the train. They then took you on a coach to the – I remember that being quite long, a long wait. Some of those – remember the old days with university, how we had to sign up for our classes in person? And it was just lines all day, like orientation day at uni,

and you're just lining up and lining up and lining up. Oh, I don't remember that. I don't remember that. The funny thing about that is that you got talking to people around you because it was first year of university. It's like you're excited to be there. And the people I was standing next to in line at one point, they became the people I hung out with for the next year. Like it's like a fantastic way just to meet people because.

Was that guy with the glasses there? No, no, he was there. Can I just say, it would be funny to know where he was at the time. Like imagine if you could have a map that doesn't just track, you know how we have on our phones now, you find my phone or some sort of thing that can track where you've been, where you're driving and GPS. What if you could have that for the last like 30 years of your life

with someone else and compare and go, oh, me and this guy who I don't know, we've been in Adelaide, and sometimes we've been in the same checkout, the same store, sometimes we're on the other side of the world. Or even better, like with your wife. Like was there ever a time you were like within a few metres of your wife, years before you met her? Yes.

See, five minutes before I met my wife, I was sitting in a lecture room wondering, I wonder who I'll marry and I wonder where she is now. I literally was looking out the window thinking that because I assume I'll get married, I guess, and I assume she's somewhere. I wonder where she is. And then my wife came in and sat down in front of me and, you know, obviously there was all the dating bit and all the other stuff from there. But she was just outside the lecture room, like walking towards the lecture room at that moment. That would be amazing to just track that you meet at that point.

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You could go on a hover advert marathon. That's right. And hoverthon. And you'd probably do really well in this quiz if you have. Because, Tim, I have here a bunch of hover, like, suffixes, like, you know, the dot whatever. Yeah. That you can register. Because they've got them all, you know.

They've got, I don't know how many they've got. They've got a lot of them. And I'm going to go through a list of them and I want you to tell me whether or not you think this is a real one that you can register on Hover or it's one that I've made up. Right. Okay. So, let's start with an easy one. .com.

I don't believe you came up with that. I believe that exists. Do you want me to say true or false? Or do you want me to say real or not real? Yeah, go true. True or false. Can you register.com on Hover? True.

True. .business. It's a longer word, but I'm going to say true. Correct. .tattoo. This is one of those I don't think so, but because Hover have so much, I'm going to go yes, true. Correct. Dot church. Dot church, I know they do. Yes.

I know you would know. Yes. True. What about this one? Dot I know you would know Yes True What about this one? Dot God Oh, I wonder if you can do I'm going to have to say yes I mean, come on Yes, true

No I don't think you can get dot God Wow, there are limits to hover But it's a pretty- You have to say it's not a small limit. It's a high bar. It's a pretty big limit. It's a high bar. .cricket.

I assume yes. And the name cricket isn't owned by anyone, presumably. It's a game generically. I would say yes. .cricket. Correct. True. .rodeo. They're crazy if they don't. Surely, surely. Yes, true.

True. Yep, yep. Dot circus. Well, I can't see why not, unless they haven't thought of it, but Hover have thought of everything. So, yes, true. Hover don't have that power. It has to be approved by some higher authority to become a domain suffix. Are they the same? Do you reckon it's the same people that approve racehorse names? You know how you have to submit names to name your racehorse and, you know? Dot circus is a false. What about dot pig?

Oh, I don't know. False. Correct. What about dot pizza? Yes. I think that would be a true. It is true. You can get dot pizza on H. I think that would be a true. It is true. You can get dot pizza on Hover.

Dot Black Friday. Hmm. I will say true. I think that would be a highly valued one and a relatively recent one. So, I'm going to say true. Correct. You can get dot. So, you could get Tim Hine dot Black Friday on Hover if you wanted. How about dot surfer? Yeah, I can get Tim Hine.BlackFriday on Hover if you wanted. How about.surfer?

Yeah, I can't see why not. Maybe they might have.surf for surf shops and surf weather and so forth, but surfer, I'm going to say no. Correct. You're right. They don't have.surfer, but they do have.surf. You clever boy. Yes, man of the oceans. Woo.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I've registered 21waves.surf. Oh, really? That's great. Yeah, it diverts to the T-shirt. But what about.easter? I'm going to say no. Correct. You cannot get.easter.

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Hover.com slash unmade. Fantastic. That's interesting. That is interesting. Remember back in the old days there was only dotcom.au in Australia, wasn't it? You had to only do the long Australian one for a while. Times have changed. Times have changed, man.

Those were the days where everyone still printed http. Backslash, backslash. You know, there was a lot of backslashing going on in the early days of the internet. And now it's time for a segment everyone's been waiting for. Today we have... Dune of the Week. Dune of the Week. Classic.

Dune of the Week. Because, you know, there are a lot of great sand dunes around the world There are And we like talking about them And today, well today we're talking about the daddy of all sand dunes We're talking about Juna Federico Curbis The biggest, tallest, highest sand dune in the whole world Is this in Saudi Arabia?

Well, I wasn't going to ask you to guess the country, but that is a good idea. Can you guess the country? Saudi Arabia sounds like it would be a good guess. Namibia would also be a good guess. There's a lot of big sand dunes in Namibia, as Dune of the Week fans would know. Say the name again, because that might give me a clue, actually, to the... Okay. Duna Federico Curbus.

Oh, that sounds like one of those things that scientists have named. You know, they all... They've got sort of a Latin tinge to them, so it could be anywhere, really. Yeah. Hmm. Well, this is in Argentina. Oh, right. Okay.

In the Catamarca province of Argentina. It's extremely high. It's Argentina, it's extremely high. It's 4,035 feet high. That's 1,230 metres. That's from its base to the top. It's actually already very high to start with. It's actually 2,845 metres above sea level. That's 9,334 so this is this is high it's how do you get all the

sand up there from the beach that like that's a long way up that's right a lot of buckets i would imagine um to give you an idea how big this sand dune is oh by the way why is it called Duna Federico Curbis? It's named after Federico Curbis, who was a journalist who figured out how high it was. It had never been officially measured. And I think this journalist who was an Argentinian travel writer and promoted a lot of amazing places around Argentina, I think he campaigned to get this thing measured because obviously he was familiar with it. And it looks incredible. It's massive. And he had it measured and it was confirmed as the biggest sand dune in the world. The journalist who went up a sand dune and came down a mountain. Exactly.

To give you some idea how big this thing is, there are 53 countries in the world that don't have a mountain or a piece of land higher than this one sand dune. Oh, wow. Golly. It's almost as high as the highest point in all of the UK, which is a mountain in Scotland called Ben Nevis. It's just 100 metres shorter than that. And there's no castle. Like, it's not like there's a sandcastle on top that's like cheating. It's just the dune itself. No, because it's not wet enough. It's too dry to build a sandcastle. The sandcastle will just

fall apart. But why doesn't the dune just fall apart then? You know what I mean? Like, because it's not wet enough. It's too dry to build a sandcastle. The sandcastle will just fall apart. But why doesn't the dune just fall apart then? You know what I mean? Like if it's so dry and then, you know, you walk down a sand dune and everything just goes everywhere. Why doesn't everything just go everywhere with this? Why doesn't it just flatten out? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know why sand dunes stay in place the way they do. I think it's to do with prevailing winds and things like that. This is a rolling dune, so I think it does move a bit. You get these stationary dunes and rolling dunes. And I think this one is a rolling dune. But yeah, I don't know why it's so tall for so long. I don't know. I don't know. As you can tell, this is my first dune of the week. There was a lot of I don't knows in there. That's more I don't knows that I've heard in the entire time I've known you. I know what you're thinking, though, Tim. You're thinking, why isn't Cerro Blanco in Peru the tallest sand dune in the world?

That sand dune that is so popular with sand borders and is another one of the monsters of the world. And the problem here is, although that is a very tall sand dune, it is actually based and it's over 2,000 metres above sea level. It actually has a rocky base of 1,300 metres. So, a lot of it is rock and the sandy part is only 780 metres. So, that's not all sand dune. That's cheating a bit. So, that's why Cerro Blanco isn't in there. Do you like sand dunes? Do you like playing in sand dunes?

Or do you find them annoying and hot and awkward to run in and stuff? When I was a kid, I loved them. I loved the little Sahara out in Kangaroo Island, which is a little patch of sand dunes in the middle of Kangaroo Island, just off the coast of South Australia, rolling down those sand dunes. One of the funnest days of my life. Yeah, that's a fun activity. And it's the one safe place to do like a giant leap. You know, it's like you're jumping off a cliff and you just hang for a minute, but then it's okay to land because you sort of crash and your feet go in. Feels dangerous and exciting. I think now as a- as a slightly older, grumpier man, I would probably enjoy playing in sand

dunes less than when I was a youngster. Oh, interesting. But certainly as a youngster. I have no- like, I remember playing in sand dunes, but I don't remember having, like, my underpants full of sand or my shoes full of sand, but I'm sure they were. And I don't think I would enjoy that so much now. No, no, indeed. I kind of learned to drive a little bit on the sand dunes, on the beach and then into the dunes and so forth with a friend's full drive. So, I feel I have, and we

used to do fun things like be on the back of the truck and it'd go over a sand dune and it was, you know, you'd suddenly find yourself bang on the other side of the tray and that was a lot of fun back then as well yeah dangerous again kids don't go driving four wheel drives we were able to tolerate a lot more pain when we were young i find yeah and risk my wife talks about um the fact that when all grew up, they grew up at the beach and stuff like that. So sand dunes are just as another name for toilet. Like instead of walking all the way back to the house, just go up in the dunes, you know. Go in the dunes.

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That's where we put the good ideas of the funny stuff. Stuff that doesn't go to air on the map. Yeah, that's the good stuff. Not the dross you're listening to now. So we are sending an Unmade Podcast official souvenir spoon to Jed T from New South Wales. Jed. We have a lot of Australian winners today you're about to discover for some reason. I don't know.

It's a random thing. Awesome. Awesome. Unmade Podcast Spoon of the Week collector cards. We're sending some to Isaac L from Western Australia. Congratulations, Isaac. And Hayden R from South Australia. Oh, congratulations, Hayden.

You probably know Hayden. I always imagine our South Australian listeners are people from your church. You've just been away from Adelaide so long, you now think everyone in Adelaide knows each other. But apart from the guy at the airport with the glasses on his head, I don't know many people. No. Maybe that is Hayden R. I don't know.

Maybe that's it. Hayden R with the spectacles. Nice. Here's an interesting one. We're sending a sofa shop mixtape to Vladimir P. Vladimir P. From Adelaide? From South Australia?

No, from Seattle. Ah, right. Vladimir in Seattle. And it's not that Vladimir P. I haven't said his surname, but it's not that P. It's a different surname. Vladimir P. from Seattle. Tape coming your way.

And last but not least, we're going to send out... Have you received these yet, by the way? I sent you some, Tim, some of our Unmade Podcast pads for shopping lists and to-do lists and things like that. Yes, I have. Yes, they're in the rotation. They're being used on the counter. So, thank you. Yes, very much appreciated.

Did you like it? Very much so. Yeah, they're very classy. I like them. Well, you didn't thank me or get in touch or anything. Oh, didn't I? I thought I... Oh, okay. Didn't I take a photo? I took a photo and sent it to a bunch of other people like, hey, cool, look at this.

But I didn't send it to you. I paid your thanks forward, man. I paid it forward. Alright. Well, there are a few still left, so we're going to give some of those away to patreon supporters as well and the first one to receive one will be jamie b from texas so jamie b from texas keep an eye on the post in the next few weeks or month or so and you will be receiving an unmade podcast notepad which you can rip off pages and use for

like shopping lists and to-do lists or whatever else you choose to do with it. I use them here on my desk all the time now just to jot down notes and things. So, come on your way. I think all that's left is a quick idea from me. Oh, you thought you'd get away with it. I can't believe it because today you've had a way better idea than me. I didn't bring one of my A-list ideas thinking I'd still be all right. And then you brought such a way better idea than me i didn't i i didn't bring one of my a-list ideas thinking i'd still be all right and then you brought such a good idea so you're gonna outdo me what do you look what you sound so surprised to be saying that i i'm shocked

goodness gracious sometimes i think you forget you're the sidekick here man and uh don't forget that my idea for a podcast is called I met your hero. And this is where two people come on the show and one person tells the other person about the time they met their hero. Oh, that's great. This happens to me all the time. I was at the tennis club the other day and I was telling,

I was with, there were four of us sitting around having a coffee after a game of tennis and I was telling them how much I love the Apollo moon missions and how obsessed I am with space and that. Yeah. And the other three people at the table with me had all met Neil Armstrong. No! That's awesome. And proceeded to tell me the three different stories about the times they met Neil Armstrong. They had all met my hero.

That's fantastic. I love it. And I think it would be quite a fun podcast to have someone who has a hero they've never met interrogate their friend or someone else they know that has met their hero. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's wonderful. This is a little bit like when you met and interviewed Radiohead

all those years ago. This is the other incident that when you met and interviewed Radiohead all those years ago. This is the other incident that sprung to my mind. That would be I could tell you all about when I interviewed Radiohead because I know you quite like Radiohead and they don't mean much to me. A little bit. I didn't meet him. But then remember we had that guy that's walked on the moon, Duke, someone, Duke, who came to our church. Yeah, you met Charlie Duke. Yeah.

Yep. And I just remember saying. I've never spoken to a moonwalker. Wow. Not even Michael Jackson? No, I didn't speak to him either. I just happened to have him here with me. Yeah, yeah. I just remember thinking, oh, here's a guy who's walked on the moon. That's pretty cool. He's talking at our church. I had no real concept at the time that there's, what is there, only eight people or something that have walked on the moon? Twelve walked on the moon, although nowhere near that many are still alive. So, yeah, because Charlie Duke is quite religious and he became quite into

evangelism afterwards, didn't he? And he just came and spoke at a church you were at, did he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We haven't had anyone at Malvern. That would be my aim now. I'm going to get someone who's walked on the moon to come and preach at Malvern. It's the last thing I do. Even if I have to go and convert I do. I would be jealous. I would be jealous. This is a good idea. This is a good idea because there's all that fun tension and, like, frustration about the person asking about what they said and did.

It would be like a reverse interview in a way, wouldn't it? Yeah. Like, tell me what they said and why didn't you ask this and all that. So I'm trying to think who's – I mean, you've met a few of your heroes, obviously. I know you've met Nick Cave recently, as we talked about not long ago. You briefly met Bono. I briefly met Bono. We didn't have a chat.

Who's left? Who would you really want to meet? Who can I try and meet to make you jealous? Oh, like who's still alive. That's a really good point. Who's the person I could meet that would most infuriate you. That's a really good point. Who's the person I could meet that would most infuriate you? That's a really good point. That's a really good point.

I'm going to pause longer than you will probably want the pause to last on the actual episode. I mean, I guess you'd be upset if like, you know, God or Jesus did like a burning bush and chose me. I would be thrilled. No, I pray for that every day. bush and chose me i would be thrilled no i pray for that every day what if you do you know do you know what i think would be awesome is one day you woke up and there were letters on either side of the e on your tattoo and it was just spelt jesus now it just burned itself like a stigmata apparition overnight that would be awesome i'm trying to think if there's a and i look i i think here's a fun one right i i don't when i was a kid like i really

really loved john bon jovi and i've had lots and lots of dreams where i'm like meet john bon jovi and i love Bon Jovi and I've been on stage with him in my dreams and I remember waking up going, oh, that was a great dream. So even though he's well down the list now, you know, it's more of a nostalgic rock, I would actually like to meet Jon Bon Jovi just because the younger me would just thought he was just amazing and I still think I have a bit of a preference for tight,

tighter jeans than I probably should be wearing because of Jon Bon Jovi, like in my mind, like that's what he's always worn. And I think that's stayed with me ever since the 1980s. So I would like, it would be fun to meet Jon Bon Jovi. That would be cool. Now I'm thinking, can I title this podcast episode, A Preference for Tight Jeans? A Preference for Tight Jeans? A Preference for Tight Jeans.

I think there are jeans that kind of look sensible on me for a man of my age, but they look too baggy on me and daggy. Like when Obama wore those jeans and he got paid out because they're all like, you know, too floppy everywhere. I actually prefer tight jeans and tight black jeans and I just think that's a little bit of subconscious Jon Bon Jovi from my youth who, you know, wore ridiculously tight jeans. I've got a preference for tighter jeans now, I have to say. Although they're not as comfortable, they do look better. Yeah, especially now you've got like a real firm butt and stuff from all your tennis. Yeah, of course, yeah. I didn't want to say it.

What about you? Is there anyone, would you like to meet someone who's still alive? Neil Armstrong having departed, sadly. Yeah, who would I be? I mean, I'd be upset if you met a famous, another moonwalker. Is Buzz Aldrin still alive? Yes, yes, he is. Yes. At the time of recording. I've never met Ian Rush, who was a bit of a football hero of mine.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So, if you said, oh, I bumped into Ian Rush and had dinner with him last night, I'd be pretty jealous. That's cool, yeah. He's a person I know, I only know exists because I'm friends with you. Like, a few of those Liverpool players. Yes. I would like to meet Dermot Brereton again, who was my favourite footballer when I was a kid.

I met him at a footy clinic when I was a kid, but I'd like to bump into him again for nostalgic reasons. Paul Keating is a previous Prime Minister of Australia. I'd like to meet Paul Keating. I never met him. I had a signed poster that I'd sent off, and his PA very nicely got him to sign it and send it back. Oh, nice.

But I had that in the back of my door for many years. But I'd meet Paul Keating. I'm trying to think if there's a director because I really love films. Yeah. I'd like to meet Wim Wenders, who's a really great filmmaker that I really love. Once upon a time, I was a massive fan of Quentin Tarantino. So it would be fun to meet Quentin Tarantino. But I'm not as big a fan of him anymore.

Would you like to meet Steven Spielberg? You used to love Steven Spielberg. Yeah, yeah, I'd be happy to meet him. Yeah, he'd be nice to meet. Oh, well, that sounds a bit, you're a bit the same as me. Not quite. You wouldn't be infuriated if I met them. That's kind of the fun of this idea, I think.

Yeah, yeah. There is a degree of like, oh, I can't believe you met them. I'm the one who should be meeting them. That's the idea of this podcast, yeah. So let me just put it out there then, man. Which one of us can be the first to meet Tom Hanks? Obviously, obviously Tom is the ultimate. He's the king of the world, king of the universe, king of the

Unmade podcast. He's the only person on Twitter that we follow. I'd like to meet him. He seems like a really charming, nice man. And he's, you know, done lots. He's entertained me a lot over the years. But if you met him, I'd be happy for you. Oh, okay. And he's not my hero. He's not a hero. Like, he's not like, he's just, you know, he's not like a... He's just lovely, isn't he? But he's not my hero. He's not a hero. Like, he's not like, he's just, you know, he's not like a. He's just lovely, isn't he? But he's not got that. He's just a nice man.

He's more than a nice man. He's a very nice man. Would you rather make Tom Hanks or John Williams, the composer? Tom Hanks. Right. You're John Williams? Nah, probably Tom Hanks because you've got a bit more boast value. This is only the boasting against the other person,

the person who you then go and talk to about it. Would you rather meet Quentin Tarantino or Steven Spielberg? That's a really good question. Once upon a time, it would be Tarantino. I was obsessed. I had him all over my wall and everything, all these films. I've really gone off him, even though I think he's become a better filmmaker. I've really gone off him a little bit.

And I think I probably have a bit more respect for Spielberg. So I think I'd probably want to meet Steven Spielberg, to be honest. Would you rather meet Paul Keating, the former Australian Prime Minister, who you're a bit of an admirer of, or Barack Obama? I would rather meet Paul Keating. Paul Keating means more to me than Obama. Yep. Especially if Obama's wearing those jeans. Disappointing-tasting jeans. That's tipped it for me, I'm afraid.

All right. Well, that was good fun. Thank you, sir. Did you have to do secret words today? Oh, yes, yes, I did. Hang on. Now, wait. Hang on.

Hang on. Let me look up my notes. This is the traditional secret words from Tim's daughters that he's supposed to plant into the podcast and never remembers to do. This is very, very subtle. One of them is because I don't know this word. So if I missed these, I'd be, you know, up the river in a canoe without a panel. these I'd be, you know, up the river in a canoe without a panel. But I would be then needing to make amends by getting a bunch of peony, which are a look of recognition, you know.

Yes. And it's very funny that you have chosen that word because that is a word that apparently we Australians pronounce incorrectly, and my wife never stops laughing at me for saying peonies. Apparently it's peony. Oh. I don't think peony is not how you say it. Oh, right. This is our daggy Australian way of saying it.

Peony, mate. Yeah, and that particular, there is no word that causes more amusement and mirth and jokes between us than that word. So I'm very familiar with peony. Peony? Peony. How does it come up? How are you often sitting around talking about flowers?

That in itself is a sign of the Englishness of your lovely wife. Yeah, they're quite a common flower, like, you know, in the UK. It's just come up a few times. And ever since I said it, like, there's nothing my wife finds funnier than me mispronouncing words, particularly because of my Australian-ness. Yes. And that word is top of the list. Well, that's, I've walked right into that one then.

Did I go okay with canoe? Is there a particular English lady way of saying? No, canoe, I think a canoe is a canoe. Peony. lady way of saying no canoe i think i think a canoe is a canoe peony it's not peony it's peony