The Unmade Podcast - 129: Hot Donuts

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

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Tim, I have here an object that I am ridiculously excited about. Oh, yes? Actually, I have six of them. Six of these exist, and only six, and there only ever will be six. So, people may remember an idea I had quite recently, my podcast in a bottle. I'm obsessed with messages in a bottle, the whole concept of messages in a bottle being, you know, floating in the sea for years and being found in faraway places. And I had this idea of recording a podcast and releasing it via bottles. The only

way you could listen to it is if you somehow found one of these bottles. Well, a few weeks back now, Tim and I actually recorded an exclusive episode designed only for someone who found a bottle. I've had them put onto these special waterproof rugged USB sticks that I had specially made with Unmade Podcast branding. And then I sent them to a guy in Canada called Lucas Clark. He works for Simon Fraser University. People who watch my Numberphile videos will be familiar with him because he's an incredibly talented creator of glass sculptures.

He works with a guy called Cliff Stull making Klein bottles and things in these videos that people may know. But he's an absolute genius with glass. Seriously, watching him blows my mind. And he has made for us six bottles and he has sealed the USBs inside them. He's double sealed them in a glass tube within a bottle around it. And it's all sealed at the top. And it's specially designed to be very hardy to be released in some way. So we have six podcasts in a bottle. There'll be pictures and videos in the show notes. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able in some way. So we have six podcasts in a bottle. There'll be pictures and videos in the show notes. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to see it.

But this is a beautiful, beautiful thing to hold and behold. And it exists. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. Stop right now and go to the show notes and have a look, because that is absolutely beautiful. That is absolutely magnificent. Now, describe.

It's in the palm of your hand, so it's in the the palm of your hand so it's sort of a palm hand size like if you had a couple of big normal light bulbs together or something like that it's bigger than a light bulb smaller than a coke bottle yeah uh and so it's it's quite sort of stubby and it's got like a bottleneck with a lovely round sealed top everything's all sealed up but then through the middle of it running through the entire length of the bottle is another glass tube that holds the cylindrical USB firmly in place. Yes. It's like it's designed to last hundreds of years maybe. And it's sealed with glass.

He's actually made it airtight. Yeah. And to look at it like it's just without joins. It's this pure perfect thing because he's just a wonderful craftsman. He's really thought about it. He's put lots of little design elements into it to make it do what it's supposed to do. So, six of these exist.

Yes. And where can people buy these, Brady? Where can they get them? They cannot be bought. They cannot be bought. But one day you may be walking along the beach and find one in the sand, washed up on some desert island. It's true to say we're giving them away.

We're throwing them away. We are. Anyone has an opportunity to find it. Another thing that I've always been a little bit obsessed with is like treasure and treasure hunts. So it has occurred to me that maybe we could bury one of these or put one of these somewhere and then create like clues and a treasure hunt and a map. And like, you know, the world is our oyster here, Tim.

We have the prize. Now we've just got to decide where to put them and how to release them. I love it. I absolutely love it. So how are we going to decide where to put them and how to release them. I love it. I absolutely love it. So how are we going to decide where to put them all, though? I mean, let's say we do that with one of them, but the other five, are we going to throw them in the ocean, you know, the closest coast and see where they go? Are we going to move around the world and drop them in strategic places?

I think you and I should discuss it. I'm very open to suggestions from people. I'm not going to say on the podcast that I have thrown one in the ocean. I'm not going to say that. No. Because people might get, oh, you shouldn't be putting stuff in the ocean and, you know, I guess they're kind of right. So, I'm not saying that I'm doing that. Right. Okay. Alright. Fair enough. I wonder, seeing that there are five then, what about the five continents? Can each continent have a fair chance of getting the hands on that?

I mean, there are seven continents, but I like your thinking. Aren't there only five? That's why there's five rings in the Olympic Games. Oh, well, let's see. There's Antarctica and Australia, North America, South America, Asia, Europe, Africa. Is that seven? No, but they're all connected. They're not continents, are they? I mean, Antarctica hasn't got a ring on the Olympic flag, and I suspect Australia hasn't as well. But Antarctica is represented by all the white in the background. So that's the snow. Oh, right.

Okay. And what's Australia? So we're not represented, are we? I don't know. Are we not? Or do they combine the Americas? I don't know. They must combine the Americas. But I love your idea of putting them on different continents.

I always thought it was like, okay, that sort of there's Africa and then there's America and then there's like the big bit in the middle, which is like Europe and Asia and stuff, and then there's Australia. Oh, that still leaves Antarctica, doesn't it? They're going to have to add more rings. I love your idea, though, of them being on different continents. That's already- That's some good thinking. So, have a look at the pictures and the videos and maybe you will find one.

Maybe because of a clue that we dropped somewhere sometime, maybe you'll be serendipitously find it. What- I was going to say what I've done, but what Lucas has done for me, he's also put in there like this strip of metal that's been like laser etched with our logo that says Unmade Podcast, podcast in a bottle, if found, email. And like there's an email address there as well for people to get in touch with us. So, hopefully if it is found by a non-listener, which is, you know, it's possible that, you know, if a random person in the world is chosen, they don't listen to Unmade Podcast.

If it's found by a non-listener, hopefully, they might still get in touch with us and we'll know who found it, where they found it. How exciting is it? It's so funny. The thought had not occurred to me before that it could be found by someone who wouldn't be just thrilled to have found it because of the podcast. But of course, there's six billion people in the world. That's right.

I'm convinced Colonel Katrina will find it. She must. Yes, exactly right. And just totally randomly. All right. Well, man, that's huge. I know, exactly right. And just totally randomly. All right. Well, man, that's huge. I know, I know. And we're going to update people that they're out there somewhere from time to time?

Maybe. Is today the launch? You know what I mean? Like, is today the launch? Maybe not. Maybe we'll tell people. Maybe we won't. It's all mystery and serendipity and who knows-ness.

But we're very happy at the moment to hear from people with suggestions. As of this minute, none have been released. No, indeed. No. No. And they are safely in your sock, I can see. Well, this one, I've stored this one in a hiking sock because I took it to the beach the other day to photograph it on the sand. Oh, right.

So, I had to carry it in my pocket. Yes. But the rest are in bubble wrap and all sorts, so. So, just for the record, you will be taking it out of the sock before you throw it in the ocean. Well, no, no, you're not throwing it. Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah, who said I was, who said any were going in the ocean? No, I didn't say anything. I never said that on the podcast. No, no. Are you going, are they, they could be released like doves, you know, from the top of a tall building where you just throw them out into the air. I don't know if Lucas's glass blowing is that good. I don't know if I'd trust them to go from the top of a building.

I do like the idea of being released like doves. Or like, you know, when people release baby turtles into the sea or something like that. Not that we're putting them in the sea. No, no. But no. Yeah, with some level of ceremony. That's right.

Fantastic. Great work, man. Really great work. Keep your eyes peeled, people. This is a project I'm excited about, and it is surely the least efficient way to ever release a podcast episode. Indeed. So you'll be able to get a shortened version of what's available.

How many hundred and sixty times is it? How many episodes are we up to now? I think this is 129 of the numbered episodes. But of course, we have all specials and bonuses too. Right. But you'll be the only one who hears it. That's the special thing about it. Exactly.

And for people who are like completionists and like to say, I've listened to every episode, this is a really frustrating piece of knowledge for them to know there's an episode out there they haven't heard. I'm sorry. Oh, dear. Wow. It's a very bespoke episode. It's very directed at the person who finds it.

It's a very personal discussion. It's very, yeah. Well, you know. I'm sure Tim can't remember. He can't remember what he did yesterday. No, but I- What we recorded in this episode. I do know we recorded one. And we said some specific things.

That's right. We went off track a little bit and some inspirational things. We looked to the future, made predictions, all sorts of things about the future. You know, it was made for future. Well, that's right, because we were thinking it may not be found within the next, you know, few weeks. It may be many decades. Could be. Could be generations.

Indeed. Parish notices. Look, people are always emailing us about previous ideas with things they want to say, suggestions. I just thought I'd mention a couple. Feel free to email us any time about old ideas and things. We still read them. We still want to hear about what you think.

The issue of a hiccups cure continues. Oh, yes. We heard from Brandon who says, I humbly and belatedly submit my family hiccup cure that has been passed down for generations. Now, all my friends use it and even the biggest skeptics have become believers. As you can see in the photos, see attached, I'll have them in all the usual places. The trick is to put a knife into a glass of water and balance the knife on your forehead while you drink the water. That's it. Well, now this is ridiculous. So, you're actually

laying with your head back, presumably. No, no, no. You can be normal, upright, sitting, and you're drinking the glass. But imagine that the glass has got like a knife, like a butter knife. Oh, right. There's no peril here. Like a long object. It could be a spoon, I imagine, as well. And as you drink, you can imagine that spoon in the glass is going to cause you all sorts of difficulty as it gets in the way. So, you take the end of that knife and balance it on your forehead while you drink the drink.

Yep, yep, yep. Like you've been drinking with a straw, but you missed and it's just on your forehead. Yes, and the straws hit your forehead instead. But you've got to keep it pressed there on your forehead right in the centre. So, there's some skill involved. Now, what benefit would that have? Well, like so many of these cures, like the ones I've also advocated, such as holding your fingers really, really close together without touching them,

I think it involves intense concentration on a task to distract you. Yeah, I think concentration is key. Maybe not breathing as well. Maybe when you're concentrating, your breathing rate changes and that somehow reboots your diaphragm and your hiccups. I don't know. I don't know why it works, but Brandon swears by it. There'll be a picture in the notes if you want to see it in action.

Why don't you try it yourself? You had any hiccup fits lately? I did. I had the hiccups a few weeks ago and I was conscious of it. I was going, oh, look, here I go. I've got the hiccups. And I was just thinking about it, what a bizarre condition it is. Totally harmless and yet frustratingly annoying and doesn't seem to serve any purpose and

just goes away. Just a bizarre. It's crazy. It makes the hiccups go away just to sit there and contemplate the hiccups for a while. bizarre it's crazy it makes the hiccups go away just to sit there and contemplate the hiccups for a while like look even maybe it's intense concentration as you say but even intense concentration on hiccups makes the hiccups disappear yeah it is bizarre who knows who knows anyway and here's a message from dave and this refers to the idea we've discussed about lame superpowers oh yes what's the worst superpower a hero could have?

Dave says, hi, Tim and Brady. Lean man. Lean man is capable of performing Michael Jackson's smooth criminal anti-gravity lean at any time and any place with no props or stagecraft. He can do it for real. It's amazing. With lean man around, do it for real. It's amazing. With lean man around, Annie will be okay. That's awesome.

Lovely idea. And you've got to look this up if you don't know this, but in the film clip for Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson and replicated on stage with some clever foot bracing or something like that, he's able to special shoe to lean forward and backwards um more than 45 degrees you'd say and well certainly close to that a gravity defying angle that looks like he should be falling over i like the idea of a superhero who just like can do michael jackson dance moves like he moonwalks everywhere and like like imagine moonwalk man he just moonwalks into the scene.

That's just how he walks. That's his natural walk. Yeah, that's just how he walks. Oh, that's nice. Cool. Is there a dance move that you've always wanted to perfect or like of, because you're a man of music and pop culture and entertainers and stuff like that. Is there any, is there anyone the way they move on stage that you've always been a bit

jealous of or wish you could move like that? Oh, any one the way they move on stage that you've always been a bit jealous of or wish you could move like that? Oh, look, there are a few. I mean, in the early days, John Bon Jovi was extremely enthusiastic in his movements around the stage, particularly on the New Jersey tour. But I would say when I was young in the 80s, there was a show, a movie called Electric Boogaloo, which was actually about sort of breakdancing. And there was a guy on there called Turbo and he could dance like nothing else.

And I remember watching that and then dressing a bit like Turbo and trying to do dance moves on the lawn in the backyard because I thought his breakdancing was pretty awesome. But the sort of the piece de resistance of breakdancing, like the ultimate breakdance you can do is the headspin where you get on your head and spin around. Yeah. And there was a bit of headspin in Electric Boogaloo. And that's, I mean, that was always the one that was the elixir of our primary school. Who could do a headspin? And of course, no one can. It's very dangerous to do a headspin.

But somehow they managed to pull it off in the film. I remember in my youth, obviously the moon everyone would try to do the moonwalk, like when that became a thing. Oh, yeah. Everyone would try and do it and you'd just be walking backwards and not doing it right. So, everyone tried to do the moonwalk but the other move I remember when breakdancing became a really big thing and everyone was trying to do those moves. The one you would always try to do in the schoolyard or at home was that worm one where you like go along the ground like a worm. No, no, not the shoulders one, not the arm and shoulders thing that you're doing and I'm doing at the moment.

Yeah. When you're actually laying on the ground and moving like a worm on the ground. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was like- that was the holy grail for me. You have to be careful with that because you can face plant the concrete pretty heavily. You have to be careful. And also at my age, just thinking about it now makes my back hurt. It's just getting down to start it.

It's like, well, why would I go down on the ground like that? Oh, no, as a new dad, I spend a lot of time on the ground now. Oh, yes. But doing the worm is, yeah, always been beyond me and remains beyond me. Do you do- when you're on the ground and then you need to get up, do you ever do that thing where you're sitting and then you roll back, like, you do, like, a backflip, but then flip up? Like, do you-

Well, I do this when I'm sitting down. I got called out for this two days ago by my wife when I'm sitting in a chair and I'm slumped down, like, on a sofa. Rather than just, like, getting up, I pull my legs back, like my knees towards my chest a bit and then push them out to create the momentum. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sort of pulls me out of the chair. She says I shouldn't do that.

It's like it's lazy and not good for my core. But I kind of, you know, you kind of give yourself a bit of a boost. I don't know. It looks like an exercise. I reckon that's good. That's like exercise, surely. The trick is to do it from- I'm not sure.

You could do that from the ground, though. If you're laying on the ground on your back and then you're able to flick like that back up onto your feet. Now, if I'm on the ground, I definitely need to sort of create various areas of momentum to help me up. Various pulleys and levers and ropes. momentum to help me up, various pulleys and levers and ropes. The other thing I always do when I get up now that I'm being told to stop because it will teach my son bad habits is making noise going, oh, every time I get up. Like, I can't get up from anywhere without making that noise. And she doesn't want him to grow up thinking you have to make that noise whenever you stand

up. Stop it. Stop it. He'll think he'll start doing it soon. It's like the tennis grunt or something. It's like you end up- You can't- Once you start doing it, you can't stop doing it. Yeah. I know.

It's a bad habit. It's a bad habit. I need to get out of it. I do it just swivelling on a chair. All right. There we go. Yeah. Yeah.

There we go. You're good. You make good- You're good at that noise. That's a real trademark of yours, that noise. Maybe it comes from having a senior citizen as a father all those years. Speaking of senior citizens, ideas for a podcast. I've got an idea, and it's going to seem a bit macabre at first, but, hey, it's been a bit of a theme over the years, actually, isn't it?

I have a bit of a fascination with death. This is sort of a death-related idea. Oh, good stuff. Love a good death. Let me tell you where it came from. I was listening to the radio news the other day, and they were talking about the death of the former Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, who died recently. He did.

And they did the report, and at the end of the report, they said, Silvio Bellasconi, dead at 86. And that's a thing they sometimes do in the media, isn't it? Like, this dramatic dead at 74. Yes. And I was thinking, they don't do it for everyone. It's only sort of certain type of people and a certain type of mood you can get away with that. Dead at 94. Yes. of certain type of people and a certain type of mood, you can get away with that dead at 94.

Yes. So, like, it's particularly- it has to be someone who's a bit controversial. It can't be someone who's light and lovely. You know, I can't imagine you- I can't imagine you doing it for, like, someone like Lucille Boll or someone like that. It has to be, like, you know, a politician or something or- Perhaps someone who's made headlines and then this is like the final full stop or something. Yeah.

And it has to be- I imagine it being read by like an American news anchor with gravitas, a Dan Rather type character. Yes. Yes. A former president or something like that. Anyway, I just wrote in my notes from my ideas, dead at 86. That's just written there on my list of notes.

Right. After I heard it, because I thought there's got to be something in this i wanted to talk about it and last night i said okay it's time to pull this one off the shelf and i had my idea and i love this idea so i'm calling this idea dead at 86 as a tribute to silvio bellasconi who's not someone i have a great deal of respect for anyway he's he's the guy he's the guy who caused it so uh what this is, is a series of podcast episodes. And each episode is called Dead At and The Number. And you talk about people who died at that age, which is always going to be quite a disparate group.

And it could be, I mean, you could talk about them in their lives and be biographical. But I do think maybe you would tilt this podcast slightly towards the end of their life and how they died. Just because, I don't know. Otherwise, it's just a series of biographies, isn't it? Would you like to hear some people besides Silvio Berlusconi who died at 86? Yes. Okay.

This is not a complete list, obviously, because there's millions of them. But this isn't even a complete list of the famous ones. Then I've got one for you. Yes. I've got Claude Monet, painter. James Garner, the actor. Ed McMahon. Sir Alec Guinness, Ben Kenobi.

Ivan Pavlov of the Pavlov experiment fame. Nikola Tesla. James Cagney. Charles Messier, who Tim might not have heard of, but people who watch my videos may have, because he's the astronomer who made the Messier catalogue of objects in space. I know his name. He's been mentioned somewhere before. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've probably talked, I've talked about him before. That's for sure. Jacques Chirac. Oh, yeah. Former president of France.

Groucho Marx. John Nash, mathematician, economist, you know, beautiful mind fame. And Hank Aaron, one of the most famous, yeah, one of the most famous names in baseball. There you go. So, there you go. You could talk about them at dead at 86. I'm not sure how all of them died, but I do know how John Nash died,

and that was kind of interesting. He went to Europe to get a big mathematics prize, him and his wife. Yeah. Well, I was going to say in old age, at the age of 86. prize, him and his wife, well, I was going to say in old age, at the age of 86. And then he flew back to New York and was going back to his home in Princeton in New Jersey and the taxi driver had a crash and him and his wife weren't wearing seatbelts apparently and were thrown out of the car. Very tragic.

I have someone else who died at 86. Yeah. Someone that you know well, Jerry Hine, my father. Amazing. Amazing. I did wonder, it did occur to me, oh, I wonder if Jerry died at like 86 or how old he died. I was going to ask you how old he was, he died and look up the list of people. But there you go.

I already have. And I've already read it. You did. It was- Amazing. Yeah. In fact, we had his- What a coincidence.

He died a few days before his birthday and we had his funeral on his 86th birthday, which we had a nice connection. So, did he make it to 86 then? No, just a few days beforehand. We had the funeral on his 86th birthday, you know. Okay. So, he died at 85 then. Oh, well, technically, yes.

And a few days, yes. And two days, I think it was. Well, let's look at people who died at 85. I've got a list up here. Let me see. Edmund Halley of Halley's Comet fame, who famously died before he got to see the comet again. James Madison.

Agatha Christie. David Prowse. Darth Vader. John Madden. Pope Pius IX. Daniel Boone. It's not an amazing crowd, is it, John Madden, Pope Pius IX, Daniel Boone. It's not an amazing crowd, is it, Matt? It's not bad.

The 86 is bigger. The 85 is like the guy who played Darth Vader. Well, there you go. That's kind of a big deal. I met David Prowse a couple of times. Oh, there you go. So, the younger ages are always a little bit more fascinating. Yes.

It's not so well populated. A seminal episode, of course, would be the famous 27. Indeed. Which has gone into folklore now. We're looking at, do you want to name some of the people who died at 27, Tim? You'll know a few. Oh, yes, yes. You've got Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain.

Yep. And I feel like I'm missing one more. You're missing two that you might know. Who else is in the 27 Club? It's not James Dean. He was young, but a different age. He's not that 27 Club. They're musicians.

We've got Jimi Hendrix. Yes, of course. Yes, Jimi Hendrix. And one more. This is a woman. We've got, I said Janis Joplin, another woman. I don't know. British.

British. More recent and British. Ohlin, another woman. Hmm. Hmm. I don't know. British. British. More recent and British. Oh, yeah, right, yeah. Back to Black. What's her name? That's the album name. But her name is, insert edit here. Amy Winehouse.

Amy Winehouse. That's right. Yes, yes. Oh, geez, I loved her voice. And just another bonus one. Joseph, or better known as John Merrick, known more widely as the Elephant Man. Oh, right.

Okay. He was a dad at 27. Oh, dear. Yeah, that club. Well, no, that is a significant one, tragically. At 30, we've got Jeff Buckley, Sylvia Plath, Emily Bronte, and P. And- 30. At 30, we've got Jeff Buckley, Sylvia Plath, Emily Bronte, and Patsy Cline. Oh, that's quite a collection of people, isn't it? I remember the day Jeff Buckley died. Yeah.

Do you want to give me another age and I'll tell you who's on the list? Go 40 then. What about 40? Who made it to 40? 40? Okay. Let's have a look at 40. Come on, internet.

Here we go. John Lennon. Paul Walker, Fast and Furious fame. Paula Yates. Edgar Allan Poe. Glenn Miller. Lenny Bruce. John Coltrane.

Alexander McQueen. Franz Kafka. That's quite a list too. It is a list, yes. Unless it's immediate or random, you do think like a car crash or something. You do think, okay, 40, they've lived a little bit. You know, when they're famous, there's often drugs attached to it or something like that, and the stats start to go up.

It would be interesting to talk to a statistician about where are the most people dying, not just the average, you know, length of a life, but are there numbers, you know, is 27 a time when more musicians die or is it just that we know there's a few notable ones, noticeable ones and that's a coincidence? You know what I mean? But what causes at what age occasion death by certain people in certain walks of life?

I'll tell you an age I want to look up, 99, because I think there's something a little bit tragic about just falling short. I know one, George Burns, the comedian. I'm pretty sure he died. No, no, he went past 100. No. He did. I remember.

Here we go. Zsa Zsa Gabor, Betty White, Golden Girls, Prince Philip, of course. Yes. And here's one for Philip, of course. Yes. And here's one for you, Billy Graham. Yes, yes, that's right. And he was very close, I think, even just a few days. No, he was still about 200 days, over 200 days short. Yeah.

Betty White was very close. Betty White was a week away from turning 100. I thought George Burns died at 99 and then they just sort of held it over until he was 100 or the news or they pretended. What do you mean they held it over? Well, you know, like they didn't tell us or something or they – was it him or was it Frank Sinatra? No, Frank Sinatra didn't live that long.

George Burns died at the age of 100. Yeah. He'd been 100 for two months. I see. I wonder if – I thought we had a conversation about this, that we wondered conspiratorially whether he had really died at 99, but actually it was only – we were only told of his death afterwards to pretend.

You reckon? You reckon they did a bit of weekend at Bernie's? Yes, indeed. I don't know how or why – I don't know what the motive would have been apart from, oh, that's a nice round figure to die on. But I have some feeling we had a conversation. I'm sure. I don't remember, but I'm sure they rolled him out

on his 100th birthday for the media. I don't know. Maybe they didn't. I can't remember. I remember him turning 100. I remember it was a big deal. Right. Okay.

All right. Okay. What do you think of my podcast idea? Oh, look, yeah. No, I love this sort of thing. Yeah. I'm deeply fascinated by death as well. I find it really, really interesting. And yeah, like I said, going into some of the patterns and causes would be interesting as to how and why do heart attacks strike at a particular age

or particular peoples in particular walks of life, that sort of thing. Yeah, it's interesting. Nice. Good idea. Solid idea. Well, Tim, let's talk about something that will never die, and that's my love for Hover. Yes, nice.

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It could be like just little personal ideas, little pet projects. You could create a website for photos of all the Lego you've been building. It could be, you know, bradyslego.com is where I post all my pictures of Lego models and stuff. I'm just thinking of random stuff now. Let's have a look what's available on Hover at the moment. You got anything you want to register, Tim? No, I mean, I was impressed.

At work recently, we had some people do a big, big review that took many months. And I was sort of asking them at the start, oh, like, is there an email address that people can send their information to and he's like actually we're going to create a whole purpose-built website just for this review and it's like oh what a brilliant idea of course yes yeah if you just got doing a big project it's like here we go yeah yeah and it's just something memorable to say you know go by the way if you want to if you want to have a look at these documents i've been talking about go to you know thebigreview.com or whatever whatever you register at the time that's a it's a it's a great idea it's not super

expensive it's 10 less expensive if you use hover.com slash unmade you could do tim's snow holiday.com where tim could do pictures from his recent snow holiday that we're going to talk about later in the show. Who knows? timssnowholiday.com is available, by the way. There you go. $14.99. Not for long. Wow. So, anyway, great, great service. Really easy to use website. It's easy to move domains if you've got them with another registrar, to move them over to Hover where they're easier to use.

That's an easy process too. There's instructions on the site. They make it absolutely foolproof. I've done it numerous times. And it is something that could be complicated if it wasn't well explained. Hover make it easy. They're a great service. They're a great business, and they're a great supporter of the show, so we're thankful to them.

Tim's snowholiday.tattoo is available on sale. That's one to get. I don't think you're going to need.tattoo for you. People are going to, well there will be, where people can post their pictures and I will display them of tattoos people got to honour my snow holiday. You wait until they hear about the snow holiday. They got a holiday. All right.

Now, it's usually around this time of the show we give away some prizes to our Patreon supporters. Go to patreon.com slash unmadefm if you'd like to become one. We've got these leather key rings, the Australian nut, which is the colour of the leather. These are Unmade Podcast Australian nut leather key rings that are wonderful. You received yours recently, didn't you? What did you think?

Oh, loving it. I've got it right here. I don't. I've used my wife's keys to come along tonight, so I literally don't have it here. But I love it. It's on my key ring. Why is your wife not using it?

Well, because I gave one to my daughters and I kept one, and I happened to – in fact, I opened my mail near Colonel Katrina, and so she got one, and that was it. They're all gone. They're all gone. I'll have to send you some more. Although if you and your wife have the same key ring, that's probably not a good idea. No, that's what I thought too yeah no that's right she's got this big um like um like fluffy gorilla thing which would drive me nuts to have

something that massive on my key ring oh that's crazy it's um that's crazy helpful to see how how key noise there um it's helpful to see uh that they're not my keys when i see keys there even if they're near my hook that is good anyway four of our patreon supporters are going to receive one in the post they've been chosen using our special algorithm which is random but slightly advantages longer term and more generous supporters because that kind of seems fair, doesn't it, in some ways. But everyone's a chance. Everyone's a chance. And the four people who are receiving them this week are,

Tim, do you want to do the honours? Congratulations to Alexander G from Surrey in the UK, William from Campbell in California, Hugo from Norway. I love that Hugo doesn't have a last name. He's just Hugo. Everyone knows Hugo in Norway. Drew, everyone knows Drew from Rome.

Oh, Rome, New York. There you go. Yeah, Rome, New York. These people do have surnames. I just don't read them out in the podcast because basically if people found out they had an unmade podcast key ring in their house, that would be a security risk, you know, because these are desirable objects. So, I want to sort of protect their identity a little bit. Fair enough. Fair enough too. Yes. But there's something about Hugo from Norway. Everyone in Norway is going, oh, well done, Hugo.

They all know who they are, unless we've got 18 Hugos from Norway who are all Patreon supporters, which I think is highly unlikely. There was a Drew in Rome, Italy, who was disappointed halfway through my last sentence, though. Yeah. Sorry, Drew from Italy. It's Drew from New York who's getting it. Wrong Rome. Tim, have you got an Oon of the Week for us? I do. I do. It is time. Would you like to sing it? Would you like to sing it to me? For Afternoon of

the Week. And today's Afternoon of the Week is Saturday Afternoon. Which is a wonderful afternoon. Saturday Afternoon. Saturday afternoon. It is. Is Saturday afternoon the best afternoon? It's a good afternoon. Friday afternoon's pretty good.

Friday afternoon's good because you're finishing off work, except I have it as a day off. So Saturday afternoon for me is getting towards the end. And the other day on a Saturday afternoon it was a bit overcast and I was sitting on the couch reading. There were long sort of shadows and there was billowy winds outside. And I thought, oh, geez, I love Saturday afternoon. I guess as a preacher and a man who works on Sunday,

Saturday afternoon is your Sunday afternoon. Well, that's true. Although I do love, I'm quite partial to a Sunday afternoon too because you come home tired and you've done church and stuff and then it's like, oh, here we go now. And it's kind of a decompressing kind of time and it's often sunny on a Sunday afternoon. I don't know why, but I'm sure the weather's evenly placed

across the days of the week, but it feels like it's sunny on more Sunday afternoons, whereas Saturday afternoon's more cold and blustery. That's tradition. Is Saturday afternoon your favourite afternoon? I think it probably is, yes. I do like Saturday afternoon. What are you most likely to be doing on a Saturday afternoon?

Generally something with the family. Saturday mornings are pretty sacrosanct. Everyone's doing their own thing and read the paper quiet. But by the time we get to the middle of the day and into the afternoon, we'll be doing something together. We'll be off for a walk or maybe we're doing a bit of shopping or walking the dog or something like that. It's nice. But if you've got plans Saturday night, it's like, oh, cool. We're getting ready to go out with our plans. But even better if you don't have plans because it's like, oh, cool, we're getting ready to go out with our plans. But even better if you don't have plans because it's like, oh, nothing on tonight. Fantastic.

You just sort of relish and lean back into the afternoon even more. There's a good chance there'll be sport as well that you can watch. Yes. Yes, there is. Although I feel like the sports I watch are more evening because they're in other parts of the world or just a lot of football's on at night now. The cricket's been on at night. Also, in the UK, they're not allowed to show premiership football on Saturday afternoon.

Although lots of games are played, they're not allowed to have it on the TV here because it would affect attendances for all the other games and the other leagues, lower leagues and stuff. So, it's a strange historical quirk that I always think they're going to do away with, but they haven't yet. So, there's not a lot of premiership football to be watched on a Saturday afternoon in the UK, because they want to encourage you to be at the- go to the games, go to the grounds. It is a lovely thing to go to the football on a Saturday afternoon. That's one of my favourite things to do. I used to do that more in Melbourne than in this stage of life.

Wander down to the football, because you look forward to it all morning and then by the time you finish in the evening it's like dinner time and it's dusk. It's a lovely – I'm thinking later in the afternoon, I have to say. Early Saturday afternoon does nothing for me. It's more later in the afternoon. Like what time does the sweet spot start? I think around-

It's about 10 or 15 past four. That's a nice time. Oh, that's late. Yes. That's late afternoon. Oh, yeah. What time does afternoon start? I mean, obviously afternoon probably, but like 12.01 doesn't feel like afternoon to me.

No, that's- I think it has to be 1.30. Yeah. Well, it's different on different days. I think on Saturday the afternoon doesn't start like afternoon to me. No. I think it has to be 130. Yeah. Well, it's different on different days. I think on Saturday the afternoon doesn't start until well after 1. That's right. Getting maybe around 2. But then it continues on into when does Saturday night start?

Oh. But there's also Saturday evening, which is before Saturday night. Oh, that's true. That's right. Saturday afternoon, which is before Saturday night. Oh, that's true. That's right. Saturday afternoon, late afternoon, evening, and then Saturday night. Gee, there's a lot on Saturdays, isn't there? Oh, yeah. So, but this is an interesting discussion point.

If you have a theory on what time afternoon starts, let us know. In your head, when does afternoon start? And don't just say afternoon because that's, like, too easy. Another thing that reminds me of, one of my wife's favourite teasing points about Australia is how we shorten words. And, of course, afternoon is a big favourite of Australians. We would never say afternoon in Australia. No, it's Arvo. No, it's Arvo.

No, it's Arvo. Saturday Arvo. Yeah. Saturday Arvo. A-R-V-O. Arvo. Arvo. Yeah.

I'll see you in the Arvo. I forget that that's not an international way of speaking, but yes, all of these things. No, it's not part of the – no, it is. It's part of the phonetic alphabet. Arvo, bra yes, all of these things. No, it's not part of the – no, it is. It's part of the phonetic alphabet. Arvo, bravo, Charlie. Arvo, bravo. Could you pick a worse word?

Yeah. Do you have – I mean, we don't want to talk about any others because it's Saturday afternoon is our – is what this episode is about. But is it – what do you think of Saturday afternoons? Are you a big fan of them? No. No, I think I'm more of a Sunday afternoon guy. Oh, okay.

Saturday afternoon just feels like, I don't know, it's like the weekend hasn't really got going yet, but you're already thinking about it ending. It's just like an awkward time. Is it like the Wednesday of the afternoon because it's like in the middle yeah it's the way it's the it's the wednesday of the weekend yes yeah saturday afternoon is the wednesday of the weekend that's exactly right yeah that's what we should start calling saturday afternoons oh it's a weekend wednesday unlike the week like wednesday is sort of like you're hoping for the end of the week,

but with the weekend you're not hoping, you're dreading it. So, it's even worse than Wednesday because you're sort of dreading the end. Whereas like by Sunday, although the weekend is closer to being over, you can kind of look back and think what a good weekend it's been. You know, I've had a weekend. It's been good. You know, stuff's happened. Yeah, you haven kind of look back and think what a good weekend it's been. You know, I've had a weekend. It's been good. You know, stuff's happened. Yeah, you haven't got the fear of-

All the stuff hasn't happened yet, but it already feels like it's over. I know some people feel really apprehensive if they don't have plans for Saturday night. I love not having plans. My plans are to have no plans. But you know what I mean? If there's like, oh, I haven't been invited somewhere or, you know, it can be quite threatening. I'm here alone. I'm home alone. I've got nothing to do. Whereas that's- this stage of life, that's bliss.

That's marvellous. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm also- I'm definitely at a point now where every night you're constantly thinking, is it too early to go to bed? Can we legitimately go to bed yet and not feel ashamed? Oh, that's great. I reckon I was in bed at 8.30 last night. Going to bed is like the Friday afternoon of the day.

Like it's that zone of the day. Can you feel it? It's that feeling of it's the end. The day is nearly done. Yeah, the world is your oyster. I'm laying here. I'm relaxing. I'm reading. A whole bunch of hours of sleep ahead of me. Yeah, the world is your oyster. I'm laying here. I'm relaxing. I'm reading.

I've got hours of sleep ahead of me. Yeah, hours. Sleep is the weekend of the day. I'm going to feel so good tomorrow morning after all this sleep. It's going to be the best. Tomorrow's going to be great. That's great. Saturdays when I was a kid had this, there was a lot of jobs to be done,

a lot of tasks. So they were all pleasurable, but it was like mow the lawn and in the garden and lots of garden work and all that kind of stuff going on. But you got to the end of Saturday afternoon and things are being hosed down and finished up and dinner's nearly ready. And then mum would call that it's Tina time, which meant that it's young talent time was on TV with Tina Arena. And I always look forward to that.

Then I'd run in and watch that. Tina time. All right. There we go. Moving on. Instead of an idea from Tim this week, we're going to have a bit of a what I did in my holidays. Because, Tim, you've been away recently. There's going to be photos on screen and videos if you're watching

on YouTube and there'll be stuff in the notes. Tim, tell us what you did first. Well, you know how there's two different types of holiday. There's the big special holiday and then there's the thing we do every year holiday. And this mid-year holiday is the thing we do every year it's july and which is winter of course in australia so we've been to the snow so we had a fantastic time all right where did you go we go to um a central part of victoria and then there are several snow fields around there and we went up to mount hotham to the snow fields there and it it's fantastic. We're not big skiers.

We're not sort of go stay in a Swiss lodge and then come out and ski all day long like James Bond sort of holiday people. It's more like, you know, relax and then drive up the mountain and get in the toboggan and build a snowman and have lots of fun and all that kind of stuff and then head down again. And we do that multiple days. And, yeah, we had a fantastic time. Showing how well I've trained Tim, Tim took his audio recorder along.

So, we've got some bits of audio to play for you. We've got a few bits. Here's part one. Here we've arrived at the snow it's uh well quite obviously cold we're out at a place called mount hotham which is the snow country in victoria the state southern state of australia and uh mount hotham is a common ski resort we We've gone past the ski resort. We're not staying in one of those fancy resorts. We've gone past it to a place called Dinner Plains which is like a more general area for skiing and tobogganing and all that kind of stuff and it's fun. We're here with another family and so everyone's getting out of the cars and getting their stuff on and

rugging up nicely and all the way way up, people saying things like, I forgot my gloves, mum. And, hey, will I really need to wear these tights? And all that kind of stuff. Once we've gotten here and gotten out of the car, it's one of those situations where suddenly it's proven correct. Everyone's like, oh, hang on, I need more than I thought I didn't need when we left our little

apartment down on the flat I'm looking around the car park it's not as snowy as last year last year this car park was covered in snow as well but not this year it's just uh all asphalt but then there's snow around the edges so they've scraped it well and there's luscious snow beautiful everywhere trees poking out sort of Australian gum, these eucalyptus beautiful Australian trees that are everywhere poking out of the snow. And there's a little kiosk here where I'll be availing myself of some hot donuts that I remember they had last year. And just beyond that is this main slope. And people are coming down the slope and walking up the slope

and walking up the side and on the ski lift. And it's your pretty standard kind of snow scene, to be honest. It's hard to pick out something unique, apart from the fact that we're here. That's the unique bit. And it's going to be a lot of fun. Let's go over onto the snow and see if we can get some lovely snow sound effects. Here we go. Pretty compacted, actually.

and see if we can get some lovely snow sound effects here we go pretty compacted actually but there's and i'm puffed out already this is a you forget how much energy you exert all day in the snow whoa that leg has fallen into the first uh what is it, quicksand, quick snow? When you press on something light and it turns out to be a massive deep hole up to your knee. I'm a disaster in the snow, to be honest. I just basically just breathe heavily and try and survive. And then look forward to the warm, dry home. There's something gleeful about being here as well.

It's a lady. I think it's the fact that everyone's here for nothing but fun. There's nothing to be achieved here except a glorious day of fun. And freezing cold. So those two things, pure hell and total bliss, are somehow combined here. That's what going to the snow is. It's absolutely fantastic and it's hell, both at the same time. Anyway, back to the car because my hand's freezing over holding the recorder. So, Tim, I noticed there you referred to big, lush snow and you were almost impressed by the snow.

And then I saw the pictures and, you know, I've been skiing in Australia and Australian snow isn't particularly impressive. And this wasn't massively impressive snow, if you ask me. This is like, you know, this is pretty half-baked. It was fun and good and you could, you know, play around in it, but I think you need to sort of recalibrate what good snow is. Well, I think there was a sense of getting out of the car and going, oh, here's snow again, having not seen it for a long time and being overwhelmed because it's very joyful snow.

I know it's not like Christmas morning in the UK when there's a big blanket of powdery snow. UK is rubbish for snow. I'm not, I'm not bigging up the UK, but like if you go to somewhere like Switzerland or Austria or something, it's sort of a different. Yeah, yeah. Have you ever been like to mega snow? No.

Well, no, I've only been to, have I been anywhere else? No, no, only other places in Victoria as a kid and that sort of area. I've not been to the snow. Generally, if I go overseas, it's in the- You know, like it's summer over there. Summer. Yeah. Yeah. No.

The other thing I love about like your pictures and video and the thing that I love about Australian snow is there's snow on the ground, but there's gum trees everywhere. There's like eucalyptus trees everywhere, which is quintessentially Australian scenery to me. And there's something really jarring about these dry Australian trees that I associate with dry climates and Australian hot days. And then seeing the white on the ground, it's always really jarring seeing snow and eucalyptus trees together. Yes, yes. You more readily picture a bushfire or something like that raging through. It is beautiful. And I didn't send you, on the way up on the drive, there's some incredible vistas, just absolutely glorious. But again, it's gum trees and it's the

Australian countryside and so forth. But then blankets of snow, which is absolutely glorious. But again, it's gum trees and it's the Australian countryside and so forth. But then blankets of snow, which is absolutely gorgeous. We go through this to this place that we go back to each time, which we really like, which is a smaller kind of area. It's more suitable for kids and so forth and is more readily accessible. It's less like the massive ski lifts and things. But there is a ski lift there and we have a lot of fun there. We feel a bit of ownership over this little patch. I was sent a picture of you in sort of a cold

weather outfit and you were wearing these very tight tights. And I found it really disconcerting to look at. I was having that kind of sexy Flanders moment from The Simpsons and you were seeing Tim sticking his bum out in these tights. It had a strange effect on me, that photo. It allows for maximum mobility. Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Stupid, sexy Flanders.

This year, I was convinced by my wife several months beforehand in quite warm climate here in Adelaide to go out and buy snow gear when it was on sale. And I was resistant, but it was good planning. But getting the snow pants was a strategic move. And then being convinced that just having these beautifully slender, comfy tights underneath would be sufficient and very comfortable. It was like thermal underwear, was it? Yeah, they're kind of like, not quite underwear,

but they're just sort of, I don't know what they're called, they're just tights. They're the thing you wear underneath, you know, snow pants. Yeah, yeah. And, oh, they're amazing. Once you put them on, you don't want to take them off. I could just be prancing around the house in them all day long, to be honest.

Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Oh, stop it, man. Anyway, shall we go to part two of Tim's audio? Here's some more of Tim's ski trip. Well, we're sitting here on the sidelines of the slopes, my little snow conspirator, co-snow spiriter, and I. We've been doing one of the highest forms of snow activity really you start with snowboarding move on to skiing and at the very top for the very elite is tobogganing we've

been tobogganing this morning oh it's been marvelous and now we're just taking a rest here i've got the thermos which is lovely with a beautiful cup of tea, which is warming the insides very, very lovelyly. It's a beautiful day, isn't it? Yep. What do you like most about coming to the snow? The snow. You like the snow? Yeah.

Without the snow, coming to the snow would be underwhelming, wouldn't it? Yeah. Do you like the hard snow that you can slide on, or do you like the soft, powdery snow that you crunch, crunch on? Powdery snow, definitely. Do you like walking in the snow? Yeah. Do you like walking uphill after having tobogganed all the way to the bottom?

No. Good answer. There is a ski lift here, a small ski lift for those that are skiing, but when you're over on the elite tobogganing slope, they don't provide for that. They presume you're at such peak physical condition that it's okay for you to drudge and all the way up to the top under your own steam. Just take another sip of tea now. Why not?

It's beautiful. It's just all part of the sounds. I think if this was a movie, then it would be a hot cup of cocoa or something. That's what they say in American films, don't they? We would have Milo, but we didn't bring Milo. We brought tea. One of the more devastating aspects of this trip is we've now realised that the place that sells the hot jam doughnuts is shut for renovations.

They're building on. And, well, the level of disappointment is unbelievably high. In fact, if the doughnuts had been here but the snow hadn't, we would have been less disappointed having driven to the top of the mountain. One of the funniest things about recording in the snow with this little handheld Zoom recorder is that it has a fluffy thing on top, which is technically called called i think a pop shield but this is like if you can imagine a microphone you know on the tv shows they have a

boom which has like fluffiness on there which stops some of the noises uh ruining the sound i've got one of those on the top of my recorder holding it out in front of me though of course it just looking around the snow fields there's a whole range of similar shaped objects, which is small children with big fluffy sort of beanies on with pom poms. And so it just looks like there's a whole slope of Zoom recorders just sliding around and walking around hand in hand with their parents. It's very funny. Massive news. It's just come through that actually there is a small little window on the other side of the lodge where they are selling food so we're quickly moving around here now and i can see a flag there this is very exciting we're hustling across as quick as we can one can only hope that they do have the donuts let's have a look come. Thank goodness we thought you were shut. No. Oh, wonderful. Have you got the hot donuts?

Just there. Hello. Hey, how you doing? Good, thanks. Good stuff. Hot donuts, please. What was that, sorry? Hot donuts. You got the hot jam donuts? How many would you like to have? Do you sell them in certain amounts?

Yes, single or a pack of four. Pack of four? I don't like the with jam in it. Too bad. I'll have yours. Anything else? Not for the moment. Thanks. No. Awesome. Well, $11 for four donuts, but we're not going to complain now are we? Oh here they are. Fantastic. Marvellous. Thank you. Bye bye. Tim. I'm Susie. Oh yeah, yes sir you are.

How are you? Hello, I'm good. Good. Yeah, alright. Yeah, I said see you in bright. She laughed at me. Oh right. Yes, as Brady will say, typical, we've run into some people that we know, despite being in Victoria. Donuts.

Of course, Tim bumps into someone he knows. Tim, you cannot go anywhere with Tim without him bumping into someone he knows. The thing I want to talk about, though, is your thermos. And I thought this immediately, and then you did touch upon it yourself. When I heard that lovely thermos sound and you opening your thermos in the cold snow, and then you said you were drinking tea, my heart sank. That is hot chocolate all the way.

You don't drink tea in the snow. Like, tea's not snow drink. No, no. Well, this is my wife's fault, but she takes a big massive thermos of tea, it seems, every time she leaves the house, because she just loves tea and drinks it by the gallon every day.

Right. I would have liked Milo myself. Certainly when I got back to the hotel, it was Milo all the way, which is now, is Milo known overseas? Milo's like, I know we've talked about it before. Yeah, it's like a hot chocolate. It's a multi, I think people know Milo by now. It's a multi hot chocolate style drink.

Tim's mum is an expert at making it. Legendary. She wasn't there to make the Milo. No. Not even the Milo would have justified her presence, I'm afraid. No, it's true. But I certainly had lots of Milo Really enjoyed it

But up there The tea was satisfying Because it was warm But I do know what you mean It didn't quite hit the spot Just a quick note On your interview technique As well

When you were trying to get some Sound bites out of One of your daughters You know I don't want to tell you How to suck eggs man But we've got to work On your interview technique

Never ask questions That can be answered With a yes or a no especially if you're interviewing a kid yeah no yes or no questions no they need to be you will get a yes or no indeed it needs to be an open question i learned that as a shop attendant in sanity music you always ask a question that leads to them telling you which cd they're looking for you so you can buy it and I needed to draw upon those skills. But, yes, there was some hesitancy and nervousness, I must say. But what a moment when you found out you could get the donuts. Oh.

You must have been so happy. Oh, man, I can't tell you. Yeah, because that's part of what we're looking forward to is being up there and being so freezing cold that the donuts are so amazing. Yeah. So realising the little shop, the little tiny shop was open, was glorious. It was magnificent. I'm not eating sweet stuff at the moment.

So tell me about what the donuts were like. Spare me no detail. Like I can't tell you, like afterwards, after I'd finished, I looked down at my hands and there was so much sugar on them. It was like I'd had snow in my hands. Actually, that's why it didn't look very convincing as snow. That was all sugar out there, man. We were just prancing around, rolling around,

making a little sugar man with a little carrot. That's how awesome it was. They're delicious, though. And what was the jam like? What was it like when you hit the jam in the middle? Hot, hot. Like, ooh, ooh, that's hot. Beautiful.

Yep. Just exploded in my mouth. Stupid sexy Flanders. What was the crispiness? How crispy were they? Not too crispy. No, no, just nice and soft. And, you know, we sort of, I i got several and so everyone sort of took one

and then there wasn't one left sitting in the bag you didn't get the four just for you no no no but there was one left in the bag and um and then i was talking to someone and chatting and so i'm being polite all the time and my mind's like hey that donut's down there in the corner of my eye on the table you know like and so i'm talking to the person but just thinking about the donut so i just sort of did one of those casual, oh, just stretch over here and pick up this and oh, here we go. Just ploughed into the donut. How many donuts did you have on the whole trip?

We only had that bag full. So no, not many. We didn't get any more. What? Yeah. No, that's it. You didn't go back on a subsequent day and get them again? No, we didn't.

No, no, we didn't. No. Sorry, man. Okay. Sorry. Did you want me to post you some donuts? No. Hot donuts.

I'm a big hot donut. I don't like cold donuts. Cold donuts don't do much for me. Oh, what about a Krispy Kreme? No, no, no. They're all sweet and no, they don't do anything for me. Hot donuts are where it's at. A hot donut after the footy. Oh, yeah.

Heading home from the footy, heading home from the show or something like that. The Royal Adelaide show. Inhaled. Okay, it's time to hit the slopes. Here's part three. And there will be some video accompanying this too. So make sure you go and have a look at the great man in action on the slopes. a look at the great man in action on the slopes.

It's hard to capture the sheer monotony involved in walking along Upper Hill with a toboggan dragging behind you. All right, we're reaching the top here. All right, we're reaching the top here. I'm going to attempt to both film and record one of the most beautiful and elite sports in the Winter Olympics. Free tobogganing. Avoiding little kids. It's one of the main points of the sport and not hitting a tree being the other main point. Alright, so I'm standing at the top of the hill, I'm looking out over, it is the Victorian

High Country which is absolutely beautiful. In the, some natural dogs nearby as you can hear gum trees above the gum trees i can see the hills surrounding above that the beautiful blue sky and above that the cloud so the cloud covering in but there's a gorgeous horizon imagine the swiss helps but a lot smaller and with gum trees. All right a kid in front of me who has a Hawthorn beanie has gone and have the glove on one hand I'm going to steer with my other hands Other hands. And I'm going to turn on the iPhone.

I've never felt less graceful than this. Alright, there's the front view. Whoa! There's the front view. Over a jump. Bends around.

Okay, I'm going backwards. Alright, that was unsuccessful. Quickly got a river. Remount is it? Re-engage onto the toboggan. All right, here we go. Pretty nice. And I can't, if I go this way, hang on, I will take out this guy.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry mate. Whoa. Back again. Well, you can see why they call it the most elite of all sports in the snow. Sure they'll make a film about this. Cool runnings. Oh, this kid seems to be doing a hell of a lot better than me.

So there you go. How would you describe your tobogganing technique, Tim? Elegant. Closer to ballet, I think, than anything else. Ooh. Look, it's, I mean, what do you do? You get in a toboggan, it goes straight down to the bottom, you get off again.

I mean, it's fun. I have to say all the pictures and videos I saw, and this is not, I'm not casting aspersions on your physique, Tim. I know you're wearing lots of padded gear because you're in the cold. But I did get a lot of beached whale vibe from you on the toboggan. They're three. Like I half expected to see people throwing buckets of water over you and trying to push you back into the sea.

Three quarters of the way through there was like a hump. And it was, so you're coming down the big slope and then it sort of evens off a little bit. And so you're just like, oh, heck, I've got to get over that hump. And I wasn't totally successful. All the little kids were flying over it. No problems. I don't know what was going on with me, but yes. Well, thank you for sharing that with us.

Any other reflections on your ski trip? Any plans for the future? Things you wish you did differently? No. Although I have to say, I am tempted by the skiing or the snowboarding. You know, I sort of, I've avoided it and kind of been proud to avoid it a little bit. But part of me is like, you know what? I wouldn't mind going up and learning one of those.

I've been advised that skiing's a better one, that snowboarding is just you end up on your bum or your face over and over and over again, although that feels like the one I'd be more used to because of skateboarding and surfing. But you've done a bit of skiing, haven't you? I've skied a few times. I'm not very good.

My sister and brother-in-law are very good and they're usually who I go skiing with and that makes me feel even worse going with people who are really good. Yeah. And who think I should be able to keep, you know, do it with them. So, when you get going, you know, when you're going down the hill and the sensation of speed and that, it is a lovely experience, but I spend a lot of it planted in the snow. It's something I haven't done enough.

I'm going to the snow this Christmas. Maybe I'll try again this Christmas. Well, stay tuned for next year's ski holiday when maybe Tim will record audio of himself going down the hill on skis. Some more news. This is sad news. I've left it to the end of the episode because I didn't want to be a downer from the start. And people who follow me on Instagram, I think, might already know this.

But a huge part of my life and a big part of my online life too, for various reasons, has been Audrey the Chihuahua, much loved. And I'm very sad to report that Audrey has passed away. She died a couple of weeks ago. It was, we were very upset about it. We're still very upset. Very sad news. And I thought, because she's talked about so often on all these podcasts

and she appears in videos and things like that, I probably should mention it in this sort of public forum. So I'm really sad to report that. She had an operation and there were some complications afterwards and we lost her. So absolutely devastated but really, really grateful for the time we had with her and all the memories and the many, many, many photos of her that we took. So, yeah, I'm sorry to have to report that, but I just thought some people might want to know. Ah, yes.

Rest in peace, Audrey. Very sad news. Very sad news. Perhaps the most photographed dog in history, would you say? She's up there. She's up there. She was photographed many times. But, Tim, let me tell you, I've had another podcast idea.

And it's not like a full-blown idea. It's just something I've been thinking about, like that podcasts don't do, that maybe we could start to pioneer or someone could pioneer. Yeah. And that is the fade out. Because I was listening to some 80s music, like every song on Brothers in Arms, one of my favourite albums, rather than a song ending, ends with the fade out.

You know, the song just has something that repeats and fades and fades and fades and fades until it fades to nothing. And it seemed like in the 80s all songs seemed to end with fade outs, it felt like. That was just like the fashion or the style. And then it just stopped. And I remember when songs first started just ending again and having like just a hard end, thinking it was really weird and like modern

and pioneering, and now all songs seem to just have an end. They just end. But for a longer period of our childhood, songs didn't end, they just faded away. So my question is, do you know why that changed? And secondly, what do you think about podcasts fading away? This is a wonderful idea. What a great observation.

It is true, and I'm always conscious of it because I assume it's the choice of the producer, and it has to do with trends and probably commercial trends associated with the radio and airplay on the radio and so forth. Announcers would come in and talk over the end of songs. Remember that was a trend? And they'd talk over the beginning, like, here is the new song by Bon Jovi, and the song's already playing, which was so frustrating for those of us. So you had to have a longer intro then as well. Yeah, yeah.

That was always frustrating for those of us sitting at home with a cassette, you know, trying to record the song for our own collection. Off the radio, yeah. Instead of buying it. But, yeah, so I think it's something associated with that. It would fade out and that helped the DJs and go into another song, the talking. But you're right.

There's perhaps the turn towards authenticity, you know, more sort of authentic music at the start of the 90s with grunge era, sort of once, you know, the notion of a song as its own entity was part of that. And not a third party slowly turning a dial down on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels more like it's a self-evident thing or a complete thing in itself as an authentic article. That might be the reason why it is. But I don't know.

But I love the idea of the podcast, the fade out. Well, maybe that's what we'll do here. As Tim and I talk you out of today's episode, things are going to gradually get quieter and quieter and quieter. Can I say, while that's happening, if people can still hear me, I've always been proud of the fact that our podcast starts straight away. Too many podcasts have all this talk at the beginning and throat clearing. Don't you reckon?

Like, well, here we are and today we're going to be talking, you know.