The Unmade Podcast - 135: Cave of Disappointment

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Tim and Brady discuss Adelaide drivers, visiting Mrs Hein, back to the Big Rocking Horse, The Magic Cave, the Unmade tennis match, superstitions, toasters, and other long-lasting household objects.Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to https://www.hover.com/UnmadeSupport us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/185zxneCatch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://www.youtube.com/@unmadepodcastUSEFUL LINKSPictures to accompany this episode - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-135-picturesThe Adelaide Christmas Pageant - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Christmas_PageantThe Big Rocking Horse - https://www.thebigrockinghorse.com.auCatch the bonus Request Room episode - https://www.patreon.com/posts/93685914Information about getting the Request Room into your podcast feed (for patrons) - https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041347732--How-to-use-your-custom-audio-RSS-link

This feels very maverick. What do you call it? Gonzo. Live. Like, I feel like we're not settled and ready and in the zone. We're sort of... Yep. So, for people listening, I'm still in Australia.

I'm leaving in a couple of days. We hoped to record several episodes while we were together in Australia, but it turns out travelling with an 18-month-old and having to see all my family and friends was a bit more demanding than I hoped. So, this is only our second and probably, well, definitely our final recording on this trip. And we are very ill-prepared.

Tim's had a really busy day. He's got a busy day tomorrow. He's rushed into church again to his office. I've rushed across and we haven't discussed what we're doing. We haven't thought about our ideas. Very unplanned, rough and ready. Unmade and unplanned, rough and ready. Unmade and unplanned. Can I start by talking about Adelaide drivers?

Yes. They are so bad. And I know I was once an Adelaide driver. We learned to drive in Adelaide. I'm an Adelaide driver too an Adelaide driver. We learned to drive in Adelaide. I'm an Adelaide driver too. Adelaide drivers. If you need to change lanes in Adelaide, Adelaide drivers are so selfish. They're just in these bubbles that they refuse to let anyone else near.

And if you indicate to change lanes in any other country in the world, that's a sign to the person in the other lane. Oh, can I slow down here? Can I speed up? Can I help get this person in? Maybe you can't get them in. You know, sometimes you can't. But in Adelaide, Adelaide drivers take it as a personal affront

that you want to change lanes in front of them. And they will do anything to stop someone changing into a lane in front of them. They will just speed up and block you. And, oh, they're so... Adelaide drivers are so selfish and so bad. I can't stand them. For those of you listening overseas, this is a common comment around Australia.

Like, Adelaide drivers are a bit known for this. And I think to a degree even greater than Adelaide people are even aware. Yeah, so if you come from Sydney or Melbourne to Adelaide, they will always gripe about Adelaide people are even aware. Yeah. So if you come from Sydney or Melbourne to Adelaide, they will always gripe about Adelaide drivers. And coming from the UK is especially acute to me. It's one of those things, though, that flows from something good. And that is that generally speaking, it's easy to get around in Adelaide, which means you have a mentality that it should be easy for me to get around in Adelaide. So when someone does something that means you're not 100% convenient and comfortable, like actually wanting to change lanes in front of you,

you want to throw everything out the window and go, what is this person doing interrupting my perfect day? Yeah, it is a less crowded place with big wide roads and I think people are so used to having their own way that, yeah, when someone from the UK or Sydney comes here who's just like, like all right i need to change lanes now i'm moving across it's like oh no you're not you will wait your turn my friend down the other end of the spectrum would be like a you know taxi driver in the middle of manhattan who who not only is everyone letting everyone else in complaining making noise but like cars will actually collide and just keep driving,

like not even stop and whinge and complain, just swear and keep going. The best example, I think, is India where it's this craziness. And if you want to change lanes in India, you honk your horn to warn people that you're there and then you just turn the wheel. Right. Honk and turn. You don't even look.

And it's like if a crash happens, it's like, whoa, I i did honk i don't know what you're complaining yeah i feel like a bit of a cheat actually because i get around on a little vespa and i feel both i feel like i cheat because i kind of avoid the frustration and slip around and past cars but i also am probably adding to people's angst they're probably going oh look at that guy he's you know what i mean He's living fancy free and getting around. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you've slipped through the net there. Do you consider yourself an Adelaide driver? Because obviously you're from the state of Victoria, but you're from a country town in Victoria. I know you lived in Melbourne, which is a big city, but you're like from a country town in Victoria. You spent more of your life in Adelaide than anywhere, haven't you?

Haven't you altogether? Certainly more of your driving life. Oh, yeah. No, that's right. I learned to drive here and got my license here through, you know, our late teens and into my 20s and stuff. So, are you an Adelaide driver or are you a- I think I probably am because I feel the intolerance. Right.

But because I lived all those years in Melbourne and drove around, I mean, massive, you know, big city and going from one side of the city to the other in an hour's traffic to get to work and all that kind of stuff. I feel like I have been somewhere else. I feel that edge of superiority as well over my fellow Adelaide drivers, which is terrible. You've got a foot in each lane, so to speak. So another thing I know people will be curious about was whether or not we've caught up with Aunty Dawn, Tim's mother, you know, a bit of a celebrity here on the podcast and an occasional listener. Yes.

And the answer is yes. As promised, I visited her city penthouse. I was shown the sights. I was given a tour of her place. I was shown the sites. I was given a tour of her place. I was shown the famous piece of sunflower art, as promised. It lived up to the hype. It was very beautiful. The one she won in the auction at the church quiz night.

And she was on great form. We had a lovely time. We had lunch. She didn't make me a Milo, now I think about it. Oh, no. No, she didn't. I don't think she even offered it. No. She's slipping. Yeah. S slipping i think she was she was so excited she was talking about you visiting and

then i saw her again tonight and she was talking again about the visit last week and how amazing it was and is brady still in town and oh my goodness and yes yeah i've had a text i've had a very uh lovely text message thanking me for my appearance, Tim was there too Tim came along Yes I did, yes Grumpily in the corner It's good to see mum, it's always good to go to her place Yeah, but it was fantastic

Lovely place she's got Lovely views, very spacious Very big shower Yes she did, she mentioned She gave Brady quite a comprehensive tour of what is a one-bedroom apartment. Yes, I was showing all of her. And I'll tell you what, she's got a lot of stuff in there. Like, I reckon almost all the stuff she's had from her big houses over the years,

she's managed to sort of somehow fit into this compact, cute little cottage, she calls it, doesn't she? I know, she calls it a cottage. She calls it a cottage, although it's a high-rise building. She used to call her last one Green Gables after Anne in Green Gables, and I used to refer to it as J Division. Did it have Green Gables, that previous house? No, no, not at all, no.

It had a sign that said Green Gables. But the gables of the house were not green gables, that previous house? No, no, not at all. No. It had a sign that said green gables. But the gables of the house were not green. No, no. It was just something that reminded mum of Anne of green gables. I guess you can't call it white gutters. No, that's right. That's right. Pale brick.

Yeah. Okay, yeah. Anyway, lovely place and we had a lovely time. It was so good to see you. And another thing that we did, I obviously wanted to take my son on a pilgrimage to the big rocking horse. So I did go up there with him and my wife and Tim came along as well with his family and we rocked the rocking horse once more.

It was amazing. It was wonderful to go there with your son and my girls are always up for a trip there. They just love it too. It is amazing. It was wonderful to go there with your son. And my girls are always up for a trip there. They just love it too. It is good. The car pretty much drives itself to Gamaraka, to the great big rocking horse. The moment the little man saw the rocking horse, he did like the Jurassic Park thing.

If anyone follows me on Instagram, you may have seen the video. He tore off his hat and he had these huge eyes looking at it. He was pointing at it it was fantastic of course he's too young to go to the top we could only take him up to the sort of hoof level of the rocking horse while others went on up to the the saddle and the brave ones went up to the head but unfortunately we had to stay down by the sort of the hooves area down down there in the fetlock area of the horse it's a goal for future visits i think that's one of those things i think each time he comes over the next few years you'll be able he'll be able

to go up at another level next time he'll go up to the saddle the time after that he can go all the way up to the main up to the top dead a dream yeah and imagine having all that in front of you i know i know it's it. It makes me quite emotional. Also, I really think at the Big Rocking Horse, they've really lifted their game in the animal park. I don't remember the animal park being so good, like that sort of the petting zoo part. I didn't remember it having all those kangaroos when we went.

There were loads of kangaroos. No, I always thought, apart from, you know, Snowy. Well, he's an alpaca. Yeah, yeah. But apart from him, I always thought of it having maybe a goat in the corner and maybe a peacock who's, you know, asleep. But no, they were everywhere, particularly when we brought the food out. It was. It was a safari.

And to be fair. It was a safari. That's right. To be fair, there were a few too many goats, and they were a little bit enthusiastic about the food. They did sort of muscle in a bit. But loads of kangaroos that I don't remember. And Snowy was still there.

Snowy, who we were warned not to go near last time. There were all these warning signs about how dangerous Snowy was. So when we got there, we were joking to the lady who let us in, oh, we know not to go near Snowy. And she was like, no, you can go near Snowy. And Snowy was fine. He ate out of our hand. He did.

He was way friendly. I think he's had a real attitude change. I think maybe he's had some sort of lobotomy or something. The electrode's on. I've done something. Or they've shipped him out and replaced him with another white alpaca that they call Snowy. Maybe this is like the fifth Snowy.

It could be. It could be. I don't know what's going on. We should have taken one of our T-shirts and compared. We should have. Oh, yeah. I forgot we had those Snowy. It could be. It could be. I don't know what's going on. We should have taken one of our T-shirts and compared. We should have. Oh, yeah. I forgot we had those Snowy T-shirts. I thought it was so funny.

We're in line and you're there talking about Snowy with a lady and she's explaining to you, you know, like you're some tourist, blissfully unaware that the person she's talking to not only knows about Snowy, has talked about Snowy on a podcast and has actually arranged and produced and designed Snowy T-shirts. Yeah. It's under new management, the big rocking horse, obviously. And, yeah, a few things have changed.

Still absolutely worth a visit. And another really big surprise was when I was buying some toys because there's also a toy factory. Yeah, lovely wooden things like Santa's factory kind of old-fashioned toys. Yeah. We are bigging it up a little bit now. But, yeah, it is a wooden toy factory. So I was buying some toys and I made small talk with a woman standing next to me at the checkout.

And I was saying, oh, I went up the rocking horse today. And I was saying, I took my son up. And I was talking to her. And then I was sort of saying to her, know i have actually been here before but i've brought my son here and i was sort of giving her all this context about my visit to the big rocking horse and she was just politely listening away and we had a nice chat and then once we went outside and it was just the two of us and there was no one else around she said she leans into me and she says i'm an unmade podcast listener. Yeah. I saw you and Tim.

I said, Tim's here. And she said, I know I saw you. I didn't want to say in front of the staff. But yeah. And so she knew. And like, it was lovely to meet her. I'm sorry I can't remember your name. She was a lovely lady.

It was nice to meet her. But it did make me think, does she think like that Tim and Brady just always at the big rocking house? She's just turned up and we're there again like what must she think that is like going to the toilet in the vatican and bumping into the pope it's like what are you fancy meeting you here i don't think the pope would use the public toilets in the vatican why not maybe he does don't know. It would be amazing if he did. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah. And like you play it all cool with the Pope and then later on you lean over to him and go, I just want you to know I am Catholic. Like I know who you are. I didn't want to say in front of all the cardinals, but I've been going to your church for years. What would be another thing?

Imagine visiting the Temple of Doom and bumping into Indiana Jones. That would be good, yeah. Finding the Ark of the Covenant and Indiana Jones is there. Yeah, wow. It's like, oh, gosh. Going to the Death Star and bumping into Darth Vader. No, that's right. Yeah.

Oh, dear. It was great. It was great. Can I just say something about Santa Claus's Toy Factory? Yes. In all the movies, right, he's always making very wholesome-y sort of wooden-y toys. You know, they are sort of, there's always like a sleigh and a bucket. And they're all sort of 1930s English-y toys.

Like, it's not, there's never, like, are the elves out the back working on remote control cars? There's a whole other section they don't show. Yeah. It is all a bit old-fashioned. And in Santa Claus the movie, he visits, doesn't he, and he gives all these wooden toys to kids and he gives, for one of the kids, he especially has hand-carved something for one of the kids and he's like, I made this personally for you.

I hand-carved it. And he gives him that. And I reckon if I was a kid and I got that as a present at Christmas, I would have been, oh, that's rubbish. I was hoping for Optimus Prime. Yeah, got some carve. It was a carving of an elf, wasn't it? It was Dudley Morse.

Anyway, that reminds me, though, one of the things I was most looking forward to about my trip to Adelaide was taking my son to a place called the Magic Cave. Oh, yes. The Magic Cave. So, yes. The Magic Cave. So what happens is every year in Adelaide there is a Christmas pageant where all these floats and a parade down the streets. It's a really big deal.

And the final float, the final part of the pageant is Father Christmas, Santa Claus. And he used to get out of his sleigh and then go into a department store called John Martin's into an area called the Magic Cave, which he would then inhabit from November, December until Christmas. And if parents want to take their kids to go and visit Santa and tell Santa what you want for Christmas and do that traditional thing, you would go to the Magic Cave to do it and you'd go and see him there.

Important to distinguish from the Tim and Brady Cave, which is down on the bump. Down at Victor Harbour. That's where you go and tell Tim and Brady what you want for Christmas. But anyway, and it was a really big part of my childhood. And not only did they have the place where Santa was, and I do remember there were four or five different doors to go and see Santa because it was such a big operation.

I think they had multiple Santas on the go. But before you would go through the door to see Santa, there was all sorts of stuff. They basically took out a whole floor of the department store and they had rides and attractions and merry-go-rounds. Hang on, hang on. Wait, wait. Like this time or are you remembering when you were a kid?

This was when I was a kid. This was when I was a kid. It was a really big deal. And they had decorations and it was a place you could spend half an hour, an hour just wandering around having your mind blown and then go and see Santa. It's a magic cave. It was a magic cave.

So I had been bigging up the magic cave to my wife for – I've been bigging up the magic cave to my wife for years. But finally, because when I was a kid, I got a big sack with Magic Cave branding on it. And I still use that as my Christmas present sack. So, every Christmas, I put this sack out under a Christmas tree with Magic Cave written across it. And my wife will put my gifts in it in the morning. But the same sack I had as a child. So, I'm so attached to the Magic Cave.

Yeah. So, we were booked to go and see santa at the magic cave it's no longer in john martin's the john martin's store has closed down but it was but a new department store is there called david jones and they kind of took over the mantle so we booked it and i had heard on the grapevine the magic caves not so good this year someone someone had told me that but I wasn't sure about it. But when my wife went on the website and booked it, she said, there's a warning on the website telling you

that the Magic Cave has been downgraded and not to have hikes. And you know it's a bad sign when the website. The actual advertising is downplaying expectations. So we went there. Have you been to the Magic Cave this year? No, no, I haven't. Do not go. It's ridiculous what they've done.

I am absolutely devastated. They don't have all that stuff anymore. No. It's just you go to the toy department and just off to the side, there's almost like a hole in the wall where it says Magic Cave and there's someone standing at a counter and they scan your QR code and then you walk in and you see and you go into this tiny room the size of your office right with a santa in the

corner who's who did a rubbish job as a santa as well he hadn't been briefed he called he called my boy a girl the whole time we were there right yeah and which is okay everyone thinks he looks like a girl i don't you know but he s Santa should be briefed. Because we'd booked it ahead. Right. So surely the elf could just lean over and go, this is a boy. But no, he got the gender wrong, didn't use his name. Half-assed Santa. It was a terrible experience.

And I was so embarrassed after beating up the magic cave all this time to my family. I'm ashamed of what Adelaide has done to the magic cave. Well, I think it should be renamed the cave it's just the cave cave of disappointment because that's what it was that would make me go actually are you saying there's more magic in my office here than there is definitely i would i would and they charge so much money because we went for the whole package of photos which was going to include like a calendar and uh bookmarks and stuff like that so i thought okay we'll get some tat to give to the family back in england and they printed out the picture like onto glossy photographic paper yeah and then the calendar was just that picture with a with a calendar around it printed onto photographic, the same photographic paper, and the bookmark was just the same photo

into four strips on the same glossy photographic paper that you have to take home and cut into strips with like – so it's just using a photo as your bookmark. Sorry, I shouldn't be using this podcast as a forum to vent my frustrations about the Magic Cave. I'm really, really upset about it. Was it decorated? Was there like fake snow and stuff? as a forum to vent my frustrations about the Magic Cave. I'm really, really upset about it. Yeah. All right.

Was it decorated? Was there, like, fake snow and stuff? It was, like, neatly decorated. You know, it was... Like, I don't imagine it was exactly like my office. Like, there were probably fewer theology books in... No, it was... I would say it was more Christmas-themed than your office. Right.

Yes. But that's because I haven't got to my office yet. No, no. But, yeah, definitely avoid the Magic Cave at all costs. Big disappointment. The only thing that's a bigger disappointment is how few Wendy's hot dogs are available in Adelaide now. I know.

I know. That is difficult. And there's none in the CBD at all in the main city area. Gosh. Yeah. So I haven't been able to have one of my favourite hot dogs on this trip. But, anyway, enough griping about Adelaide because I know the thing about my visit to Adelaide that people are most keen to hear about

is the unmade open. Did we play our tennis game? Oh, dear, I forgot we were going to talk about this. Our much-hyped tennis match. Tim, would you like to – I've done way too much talking. Tim, would you like to take the floor and talk about our tennis match Tim would you like I've done way too much talking Tim would you like to take the floor and talk about our tennis match Sure sure sure Well speaking of the cave of disappointment

This is called the court of disappointment Yeah Well tell me talk us through it from your perspective Well there was a lot of love Love Three of them actually four what was there yeah there were four sets yeah look i would have to say i i would have to say you know how i estimated what uh how i'd go against you and then in a subsequent podcast episode, I revised that down.

Yeah, I didn't revise it down far enough. But I'm looking forward to playing you when I come to Australia. Yes, well, that will determine if I am also a mediocre tennis player or a bad tennis player. I will be very, very disappointed if you beat me at tennis. I know. I know how well you beat me. And I'm really looking forward to it. Look, I'd have to if you beat me at tennis. I know. I know how well you beat me. And I'm really looking forward to it. Look, I'd have to say two things.

One is I think I'm a better tennis player than you thought I was. That is true. Right? That is true. And I think I played pretty well. However, you are not as good a tennis player as i thought you were and yet you won six love four sets so what do we do with that in what way was i not as good as you expected oh it's i you're not as good a server as i thought but you're an effective server, which some people might say is what matters most.

Right. But when we talked about chasing down the ball, you are fitter than me and you chase down the ball well. And, you know, there's this old saying in tennis that if you get the ball over the net three times, odds are you win the point. But you were also playing by that maximum. So you were winning. The ball was forever coming back and I lost the point again and again and again.

So you smashed me, absolutely smashed me. And it was frustratingly one-sided. I have never heard a church minister swear so much. Yeah. one-sided hmm i have never heard a church minister swear so much yeah yeah yeah yeah fair enough look i did enjoy playing with you i did enjoy if if i and i it made me want to play you again because i felt like oh hang on a sec i'm better than this and i want to play again because i want to show that but also because it's a challenge now, like I really want to win a game. You did have a few break points. You did have a few times where you could have won a game,

but you didn't quite pinch the point. Yeah, from my perspective, in response to your recollections, you were a better player than I expected, which is a funny thing to say when you didn't win a game. But you hit the ball, you played better shots than I expected. You hit them hard and flat. Well, obviously you made too many unforced errors. You make too many mistakes, which is why you lost so badly.

Yes. And your serve was not very good in terms of you made a lot of double faults. So that obviously hurt you a lot. In terms of my play, I feel like I certainly didn't let you win or go easy on you or give you any free games, obviously. I certainly hope not. No. But I did feel like I didn't have to push the envelope.

I didn't have to hit them hard and go for winners. If you'd started taking games off me, I may have like gone harder. But I think if I went harder, I may have ended up making more mistakes. So it's probably for the best that that happened. Well, that's right. You're in the total comfort zone where you're like, what I'm doing now is more than enough and so I can keep doing it. But it was fun.

We will have a rematch perhaps in England. I'm hoping next year you'll come to England. That would be cool. That would be cool. That would be cool. I do find, I find, I find in this, in this, what am I, my fourth month now playing tennis sort of pretty deliberately and intensely and so forth.

I feel I'm getting the ball back, but I get it back pretty safe. That is you sort of centre the ball on the other side, which is pretty easy for you to then hit. Does that make sense? I'm not yet at that place where I'm like, oh, I'm going to get this back and position it well in a good attack late in the court, you know, stuff like that. You do hit them quite deep. You hit them deep, which is good, but you don't go for the lines. Yeah. And it was a problem for you that every time I came into the net, like you couldn't pass me or really go over me very much. So if I came into the net, like you couldn't pass me or really go over me very much.

So if I came into the net, I was usually just getting a volley that I could just put away. So you didn't have a really – I don't have an effective lob or the ability to control that lob very well. Yeah, so it was coming into the net was easy points. But there you go. Set for the rematch. I didn't expect you to come into the net.

That shouldn't be allowed. No. You're supposed to stay back. I didn't do it much. And then just run from side to side and then puff out and let it run go. That's what I'm hoping. I didn't do it. I didn't come into the net much.

And your court coverage also was very good. You were speedier around the court than I expected. I was speedier around the court than I was three months ago, that's for sure. Right. But, yeah, that was annoying. Yeah. Were you lying in bed that night thinking, I wish I played better?

No, not at all. I wasn't frustrated. I was frustrated in the moment about some of the unforced errors. I really, really, really enjoyed it. Like, I wanted to keep playing. Yeah, it was good. And I want to play again. I don't think we'll get a chance now, will we, in this trip?

Probably not on this trip, no. But we will play again. Hopefully you don't get too much better and we'll, you know. I can only get better. Right. I and the Magic Cave can only improve. All right. Ideas for a podcast.

Tim and I haven't got our ideas for a podcast prepared. We decided that we wouldn't prearrange them. We would just look at our lists on the hoof in the spur of the moment we were looking at each other's lists the other day not not closely but you know scrolling flicking through did you look at my list no no no you can be held them up and flicked with your thumb like showed you that it existed like scrolling yeah yeah yeah and i did the same as well and we've got pages and pages and like long long notes of lists and so forth of ideas yeah and yet i still come to this moment i go hmm they're certainly not i would love some objective like podcast idea god to put them

in order of best to worst and i could just work my way through them because it's hard to come back to ideas and go is that something or not now that i've had it? I think it's easy in the moment when you have an idea for a podcast, I go, oh, here we go. That's an idea. But when I have an idea during the week and I write it down and then I come back to it later, I'm so critical of it because the energy behind it's gone. Yeah. You know? Yeah. All right. Well, I've got my list here. Oh, you're looking already.

I'm looking at my list. Should we do, so should I go first? Yeah. Okay. Well, you've got something there. How are we going're looking already? I'm looking at my list. Should we do... So, should I go first? Yeah, okay. Well, you've got something there. How are we going to do this? Should I pick one or... Oh, I'll tell you what I could do. I could close my eyes, right? Right. And just like thumb up and down the list, start scrolling past at an awesome pace.

Oh, yeah. Up and down. Up around the top of the list, but up and down, up and down I'm doing. You could tell me when to stop and I'll put my thumb down and see what it comes onto. So, it's like a random chocolate wheel sort of wheel of fortune thing. You tell me when to stop and I'll see what I stop on. Stop. Okay. Do you want to go again? No, no. I mean, this is an alright idea. Yeah.

I'm going to be true to the game. I'm going to go with this idea. So this idea here I called the thing I swear by. Because you know how everyone has something they swear by? Like this is the best way to do something. Oh, yeah. I have found this a lot having a baby. This is where this came from. Because everyone gives you advice and they have their thing they swear by.

This is you've got to do this. You've got to give your baby, you know, a cup of warm warm milk before bed or if you tickle their toes or if you do this there's always like old wives tales or wisdom you know old wisdom that people and everyone has a thing they swear by and every and we've talked about there are other things this applies to as well we've talked about hiccup remedies numerous times on the podcast. Everyone has their way of curing hiccups, the thing they swear by. So I think a good podcast is to have guests or submissions and that where everyone has their piece of old wisdom or their little trick of the trade or the thing they swear by.

This always works. This is a thing you do. Little bits of life wisdom because i haven't prepared for this idea i haven't got a whole list of them for you uh does anything spring to your mind as i say this oh only noting that i think people hold these things dear generally because it's a lesson that they haven't just heard but they have earned like it's been hard won and i think that in terms of the baby stuff it's like many sleepless nights or months of frustration have led to this that's why they they share it with you like it's you know

the most important thing ever um they do swear by them anyway that was the idea that came up it did it did come it has put another thing into my head though though, that I'd like to ask you about, which is kind of related, and that is traditions or little superstitions, which I think are more interesting. I have a superstition that whenever I get on a plane, I touch the outside of the plane as I go through the door. Like, I touch the outside of the hull, the fuselage. Oh, wow. And when I get off, and I do it every time, and it's just a superstition now, because if I don't do it, the plane will crash or something. Like, it's just a... And I don't want to break the streak now. So, I refuse to get on a plane without touching the outside.

And it's easy to do because you just brush it with your hand as you get on the plane. Is it really a superstition? Like is it just sort of like a habit that you do? Or do you sort of like – do you think you'll feel anxious if you don't do it and have to stand up and go back and do it? I don't think I would stand up and go back and do it. But it is a superstition. Like it's not a habit, like it's not a habit, like biting your nails. It's something I'd consciously do and I don't want to break the streak. So I would call it a superstition. It's not like a, but it's not like a, yeah, a really severe superstition.

Do you, as like someone who is a real man of faith, still have weird superstitions like that? Will you have little things like that? Or is that counter to your sort of belief system? It is kind of counter. I think superstitions are, they are ridiculous. But I think there's a category below superstitions. I mean, people, superstitions, what are they for? They're things you do in some ways for luck, aren't they?

Like blowing on a dice or putting one shoe on before the other one before you play football or something like that. They're things that if you do something different and then – it's a bit of fear even. Something wrong happens, it may have been connected to it, which of course it's not. Yeah. Or it becomes self-fulfilling.

You play badly because I know I'll play badly because I had that thing. So there's a fear in them and that is contrary to the Christian faith. Yeah, absolutely. Right. That said, do you have anything that you'll always do? I'm trying to think if I do or not. But I have little quirks and things like when I – but they are more habits. Like when I have a shower, I also – and I get out of the shower,

I rinse my glasses under the tap. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, you generally, I didn't do that for years and years, like wash your glasses or wipe your glasses. Like I used to wipe them, you know, spray or just go, you know, and wipe them on my T-shirt. I still do that during the day. But in the morning, I have a shower and I take off my glasses and put them on the sink. But before I, after the shower, put them back on again, I rinse them under the tap.

And it's like it's just washing them. That sounds more like it's like routine. Well, that's right. But that's what I think. But I, hmm, yes. But there's a practical reason for doing that too. It's to make your glasses cleaner. That's true.

Yeah. So that's what I'm thinking. Touching the plane is not going to make the plane more aerodynamic or help it in a collision. No, no. It is absurd in a way. Of course. Yeah, yeah. But you're a man of science.

So why do you do it as this absurdity? I don't believe that it is doing anything. I don't have any belief that it helps. But it's just like, well, it's not much extra effort to do it. And like, why tempt fate by not doing it? Like, it's almost like. That's not much extra effort to do it uh and like why tempt fate by not doing it like it's almost like that's so funny fate do you believe in fate or is fate your word no but but if the plane crashed the one time i didn't touch it i'd feel pretty stupid you wouldn't feel anything at all

because it wouldn't have been a big effort to have touched it. So I'd be like, oh, you idiot. You could have just touched it. These are funny mental exercises, aren't they? They have no basis whatsoever and yet there you are touching the plane. That's so funny. I mean, in my defence, I could say the same thing about your whole religion. No, no, no.

That's right. But mine's systemized over millions of people over thousands of years yours is your one little quirk that you do just something i decided one day i should touch the outside of the plane maybe in 2000 years millions of people around the world will be followers of brady and all touch the outside of planes before they get on them and people will look back to this this time this era and i'll be like this amazing figure it'll be your version of like you know how people cross themselves yeah yeah it'll be your visit touch the plane touch the plane touch the plane hey kids hey kids let's touch the plane

before we eat no no it'll be like it'll be like people like okay we're all we're off off to andromeda in our rocket ship but everyone just gets on and solemnly touches the outside of the ship, as learned. And people will be like, I can't believe we're still touching the outside of the ship because of some guy 2,000 years ago. That's right. Well, they say, well, we haven't had a plane crash for thousands of years,

and that's all because of him. We're so grateful. Yeah. Oh, that is really fascinating, isn't it? I don't think I have any superstitions, no. But if I catch myself doing one, I'll remember it and bring it up as parish news next time, okay? Okay, all right. And we would love to hear from other people.

Tell us about your superstitions. My actual idea has gone completely out the window. Oh, what was that again? It was the things I swear by. Oh, right, okay. Much prefer superstitions. Do you have a superstition related to the podcast at all? That was the things I swear by. Oh, right. Okay. Much prefer superstitions. Do you have a superstition related to the podcast at all? Like I must have an idea before I do this or turn my microphone on this way or no?

No, no superstitions. Do you? I'm reluctant to over-prepare ideas because they will get shot. No, I know, but I actually don't want to do it now because I feel like I should be better prepared, but every time I double down on the preparation of idea, it just sinks like a wet balloon. Okay.

And so I feel like I need, you know, that burst of energy that I talked to you before about with a new idea. I feel like I need that burst. That tenacity. Yeah, yeah. I respect that yeah let us take a moment to give thanks to hover who have supported this episode the domain registrar company let's harmonize let's see if we can do it because we for once we actually are in

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and like everything i'm saying now is being typed into my phone like by the you know by the microphone oh you've got a transcript of the episode i've got i've got a transcript of this episode i do wow i should probably stop that there we go all right idea for a podcast from you tim Like by the microphone. Oh, you've got a transcript of the episode. I've got a transcript of this episode. I do. Wow. I should probably stop that. There we go. All right.

Idea for a podcast from you, Tim. All right. So am I going to do the same thing? You do the same thing. You get your list out and we'll do like the random scroll. This is a bit like my white gloves of destiny I do on the objectivity videos. Tim's scrolling and I say stop now. What have you got?

What does it say? Oh, it's one we've done before. Okay. We'll do another scroll. I have to delete it. Do another scroll? Oh, it's one we've done before. Okay. Well, do another scroll. I have to delete it. Do another scroll. All right. All right.

Tim's scrolling again. Now. What does it say? Toaster gets stronger with age. So. Okay. It sounds like a title for one of your podcasts at least. It sounds like a title for one of your podcasts at least.

I was thinking about the wonderful phenomena that, you know, when there's the things fall apart, right, in the world. Things fall apart. Yep. There's something quirky with a toaster though, right, because the older and the more it falls apart, the stronger it gets. So when you buy a new toaster and you push down the bread and then when it's ready it clicks up nice, but the older and crapper it gets, boom, it fires increasingly the bread or the toast, as it is, to the roof.

So I was just thinking about the fact that the more a toaster winds down and ages, somehow the stronger it gets. It's like a fine wine. It's like if we could have a really, really big old toaster, maybe we could create more energy. Or like that's how we would travel into space, like build like a big rocking horse version of a toaster, the big toaster, and it just fires people to the moon.

It's almost like it's got this innate power that's being held back and restrained when it's new, but the older it gets, the more it's unleashed. Toasters do have a good shelf life, don't they? We got a quality toaster as a wedding present, and it's still going strong. It's still, like, really good quality, like, does a good job toasting. It doesn't spring because this is one where you've got to use a lever

to lift it up, but that's part of the design. Oh, okay. It's deliberate. Right. But, yeah, it's still going strong. And I look back at toasters. I can think of very few times in my life where I've bought toasters because it's like when you buy a toaster, you got a toaster.

You don't need to replace them, do you? No, no, they're good. How long do you think you've had your toaster for? Oh, we bought our toaster, I know, about a year or two ago. Oh, you've just proven me wrong. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, but the other one we had for like a decade. Why'd you replace it?

I can't remember what went wrong with it but something did something where i don't i don't know but anyway i remember we bought one and i consulted like you know choice magazine to sort of you know you re-subscribe to this thing to look at i want to get the very best toaster you know i don't want to buy a lemon so the fear of being ripped off by toaster sales people it was great so there were toaster scammers everywhere it turns out toaster look they're all pretty much the same i did you sort of go and you're all right i'm gonna have this toaster for a long time i want it to last a long time so how often do you have toast not very often because i try and stay off the carbs a fair bit but in the last few, there's something about you being in town that I've just gone,

bugger it, I'm going to have toast. After the debacle of the tennis match, I'm like, oh, that's it. I'm going straight home to have some comfort toast. My eating has gone downhill because of coming to Australia like it always does. But you can't blame me being in Australia for your eating going downhill. I don't know. There's something about, oh, I'm on holiday because Brady's in town. Like, you're on holiday, so we're all on holiday.

So, normal discipline just goes out the window. Is it like I'm Voldemort and, like, your scar is hurting or something? Like, I'm nearby and you're like, oh, I'm going to eat some toast. I don't know. It's just kind of like, oh, there's probably going to be compromises around the place. But I may as well just go all in. Like, not even tempted. I've just gone, oh, I'm probably going to be tempted.

So we may as well just block out this fortnight. We've only, like, seen each other, like, four times and eaten together twice. No, toast wasn't part of it. No. But I'm just taking you. Brady's in town. KFC every night. So everyone gets a free pass to eat what they like.

All of Adelaide. They've just been shipping in crap food for millions of people. I haven't actually cognitively thought that. I'm saying now what's been going on in my brain. It's like you're looking for any excuse. It's me. Maybe I'm this bubble that makes people eat bad food. And everywhere I travel, people are just eating crap food around me.

And I'm like, why does everyone in the world eat such bad food? They don't. They just do when you're around. I don't know. It's just like, it's just like a, yeah, it's like, oh, why bother? Like, here we go. Oh, this is great. It's like months and months of absolute perfect discipline.

It's just like. I'm sorry. Blow it. So, no, no, no. It's great. I had some toast. I've had it two or three times in the last couple of weeks. Okay.

It's fantastic. I had marmalade and Vegemite. And I had Promite the other night because we ran out of Vegemite. So halfway through the spread, I switched to Promite. Mid-spread. Interesting. So that was good. Do you want me to look up another idea?

No, no, no. No, I'm quite happy with that. Tell me what the actual idea was. Is it just about toasters or is it about products that- No, no. It's not really an idea. It's like, oh, here's something I want to talk about with Brady on the podcast. Right.

Do you know what I mean? So I've sort of noted it knowing there's got to be an idea in here somewhere. Is there an idea in there? I think there's an idea in there about what are- What things get better with age? Or what things you've owned that lasted a long time, longer than you ever expected. Something you owned for a long time would be a good podcast. Yes, yes.

Do you have something in your- What have you owned the longest that you own? I mean, apart- That's functional, you know, not like your Magic Cave Santa bag that your mum still fills every Christmas morning. Sorry, that Santa fills. Santa fills. It's hard because I moved to the UK, there was a bit of a reset in my life. Oh, yeah.

Obviously. And then I've moved house a few times. And moving house causes a reset. So, I can't think of something I own. Like a razor? Like a shave? electric shaver that you've had for? No, I go through clippers and shavers pretty quickly, actually. I find them not to be good long-lasting products in my life. Obviously, I've got some watches that I've had for a long time.

Oh, yeah, well, well, the watches. Don't count, do they? No. We've had our microwave a heck of a long time. Yeah. As I said, our toaster, my desk, my office desk, I've had for a very long time, longer than I should. You didn't ship it to England, though, did you?

No, no. But I've had it in three different houses. And it is falling apart a bit, and I should replace it, but I'm very attached to it. It's very functional. It does everything I need. So I've had my office desk for longer than I should. Desks are interesting.

We talked about offices last time, but desks themselves can be really significant. I had a really beautiful desk for a long time that was actually not my grandfather, but there was a man who was the kind of grandfather role in my life when I was a kid in Tarelgan. And he had a carpet store. And in that carpet store were big desks around the place. And there was a desk there. And so, when he closed the carpet store, this would be in the late 70s, my dad, you know, nabbed one of the desks just to use at home.

And so, it was the desk dad used at home all my childhood. And then when I moved out, because I don't know why, but I got it, I took it and I had it in my room through high school and stuff. And then when I moved out, I took it with me and I brought it with me, my stuff to Melbourne. When I moved to Melbourne, I had it for a long time and then into marriage and then back to Adelaide, it was still there. And so I was looking at photos this morning of like my daughter, you know, and the desk is in the background, you know, like when she was a baby. Where is it now?

I finally decided to pass it on to a genuine granddaughter of the man. You know, he was like a grandfather to me because he was a lovely man in our church, lived around the corner, you know, bought me presents. My birthday was really lovely. But then one of his genuine grandchildren, I said, look, I happen to have this desk. I don't think I'm going to have it, but you might want to have it. And she was so excited. Like, goodness me, I had no idea that these were still around. Nice. Fantastic.

I love that. It had one of those cool, you know, like you slide out extra table-y bits for your coffee on the side each time. Side table. Yeah. I mean, it was a pretty cheap desk, but i like to think it was a classy desk because it had those like little hidden features and stuff like that that's pretty cool no we live in such a society of replacing thing you know we replace our phone every year or two and stuff

you don't have you don't have things that last a really long time like you used to it's a bit sad that you that you use i have sentimental things that are old obviously like my lightsaber and stuff like that yeah but not um not things i could use i remember watching a documentary which was talking about like the massive amount of waste and all the products and objects and stuff that get thrown away because we have such a replacement society and they were saying that the key to new design is to actually think about things that can improve with age that we normally run down. So the example was given was like, like your toothbrush, your toothbrush, you know, you use

for a while, then you throw it away. But what if your toothbrush was a bit like your belt or your boots where it actually got better and more comfortable and more effective, the older it was like, what if you could create things like that, that actually, and if you could keep it for years and years, it's like, oh, this is is a great toothbrush i've been using it for five years rather than wearing down you know what i mean i have a fan a fan like a blowing of air fan on a stand that's made of metal it's really sturdy it's made of steel it's a really good really uh famous brand of fans that my wife got me as like a really extravagant, lovely present many, many years ago when, you know, it would have cost her a lot of money to buy. It was a

really lovely present. And that still works. And fans feel like something that shouldn't work for a long time, you know, with electric motors in them and stuff like that. And sometimes it like won't start and I have to hit it on the side to get it to start because I think a wire's come loose somewhere. But it still works and I still use it every summer in the UK and it's just such a lovely lovely well-crafted object so that's something that so I must have had that for like you know nearly 15 years yeah which is a long time for a fan so that's something I've had for a long time that would fit into that category uh just an electric fan our microwaves numbers are wearing away you know how they fade after a while or just i think one one of them's

fading you know the the most common two minutes what you know the others are the one that goes you know is like an hour that one's just perfectly pristine but the other one's fading away nice yeah nice i wonder if your coffee machine will be like that. I wonder how long your coffee machine will last. Well, yeah. I mean, they're made to last a long, long time. There's a lovely little French cafe called Moulas down on King William Road, tiny little place, and they've got a coffee machine in there

that they say is about 40 years old. And it's all lovely and it's metal, you know, but it's got lovely characteristics to it and so forth. They've been using it all that time. Nice. Yeah, I mean, it could keep going. You keep servicing it. You've got to replace little parts and stuff, but I love it.

I want it forever. All right. Well, I think we got enough out of that to call that a podcast idea. Do you reckon it's a podcast? Yes, I think that counts. Did you have any secret words today i do i do so we need to keep talking oh yeah okay so what's going on with you uh hover how great is hover have you mentioned no no i'm saying oh yeah just bring up something just talk about something so

i can i can i can slip in uh yeah so what did you get up to this afternoon uh um birthday it was it was a birthday in your family there was yes okay yeah um and um have you had an um nectarine while you've been in adelaide brady i have not had any nectarines yet but uh they are a nice fruit to have sometimes especially on your birthday. Oh, indeed. Yes, that's right. Oh, well done. Yes.

There's one more. There are three secret words. How does that happen? Because it's a birthday. Right. They got to have two. Oh, okay. The birthday girl's got two secret words.

That's right. Well, let's continue our conversation. What are you doing tomorrow? I have a meeting with Karen. Oh, yes. How is Karen? Well, I'll find out tomorrow. Okay.

Are you going to buy her a nectarine? Is it her birthday? No, no, no. Very good. All right. So in terms of Patreon prizes, because I'm travelling, I haven't done, like, the random draw, so there are no Patreon supporters are getting prizes today,

but they will in the next episode when we do key rings and cards and stuff, but we will be retiring for our after show party in the request room. So if you're a Patreon supporter, patreon.com slash unmade FM, you can have access to the extra bit of podcast chat between Tim and I when we go backstage and hang out. So more toaster talk. More toaster talk. Who knows?

We may eat nectarines. I may gripe further about the magic cave. Then I may ask Tim to talk even more about our tennis match. Who knows? Oh, dear.