The Unmade Podcast - 136: Blue Christmas

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Tim and Brady discuss shoes, lots of parish notices, Christmas podcasts, a Blue Christmas, Mt Lofty, and Cindy.Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to https://www.hover.com/UnmadeSupport us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/Catch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://www.youtube.com/@unmadepodcastUSEFUL LINKSPictures from and relating to this episode - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-136-picturesTim’s Adidas Stan Smith shoes on eBay (own the shoes of a Tommyball legend) - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/276217278605Toowoomba - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToowoombaWill Power - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_PowerFeeling blue at Christmas? There are people and organisations who can help. Please seek them out. Tim’s book (deals with some sensitive topics) - https://amzn.to/3NisJysElvis sings Blue Christmas - https://youtu.be/3KK6sMo8NBYMt Lofty’s true height - https://bit.ly/41cMCwEPictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-weekCatch the bonus Request Room episode - https://www.patreon.com/posts/94308348Information about getting the Request Room into your podcast feed (for patrons) - https://bit.ly/3uQWhNz

How's things there? I understand you're bunkered in, Tim. It has been a COVID bunker, unfortunately. We had my mother-in-law come and unfortunately she was the first down and the rest of us followed. You've gone down like 10 pins, have you? Oh, yes. We have, yes. I have to say, I avoided going out for the first few days just to be wise and cautious in relation to other people at work I'd be interacting with. Then, of course, I got symptoms. And so, then it's like, oh, I just added on that time onto the other time and now I'm recovering.

So, it's actually been about 10 days inside now, which is nothing compared to the lockdowns of a few years ago, is it? But it still took a bit of getting used to again, that's for sure. How do you deal with being locked away for 10 days? Is it something you're comfortable with, or does it drive you a bit crazy? Initially, it's annoying. Then there's the thought of, oh, hello, this actually means I can be still and quiet. And then you realise, oh, I've still got to do a heap of work. And then the novelty of that wears off pretty quickly, I have to say. I'm sitting here next to my shoes and I haven't worn any of them for 10 days. And I was just looking at them going, oh, look at you guys.

Just all waiting there, ready to go. Unwanted. Really? You talk to your shoes, do you? Oh, yes. Yes. You don't talk to your shoes. I've added an extra rack, actually.

There's a bunch of shoes there and a rack. And so they're sort of almost at eye height with me sitting here. So it's the Cherry Doc Martens I'm looking at at the moment and have been talking to for the past few days. Starting to sound like Dyer of a Madman here, I think. It really is time I got out. Do you have a favourite pair of shoes, Tim? Like ones that, you know, if the house was on fire and you can only grab one pair of shoes, what pair would you grab? I guess I've talked before about the R.M. Williams boots that you sort of throw on. Yeah, like ones that, you know, if the house was on fire and you can only grab one pair of shoes, what pair would you grab?

I guess I've talked before about the R.M. Williams boots that you sort of throw on. Let me have a look. Lately, I've been wearing the Converse Chucks. So, they're the Chuck Taylors Converse sneakers, you know, like the... You'd associate with, you know, sort of rock bandy sort of ones. Yeah. They're pretty good. These Cherry Docs are a bit of a favourite. I've been wearing them Doc Martens boots

Tim's holding them up for me Thank you Tim It's lovely to see them Yeah that's good Of course now you talk to your shoes And they can hear you They know what you're saying here So be careful

You don't want to offend one pair Sorry guys Sorry all the other guys I've got a least favourite here That I've actually put for sale online And they haven't sold Maybe we could advertise them here So these

Yeah These are a pair of stan smith like adidas's yeah and i'd never wear them they're too bright white and cream yeah and so i've put them for sale for like 20 bucks and they haven't sold because i just don't ever want them anymore are they like on ebay or where can people find them they are on facebook marketplace so that's maybe that can people buy that from around the world maybe i'll put them on ebay maybe i'll sign them put them on ebay and see if they'll get yeah ten dollars yeah tim's gonna sign these shoes we'll put them on ebay we'll have an auction

let's see uh let's see how much you can get for a pair of signed shoes yeah that's good let me see if i can get more than the 25 bucks there we we go. Okay, people. Link in the description to buy Tim's shoes. No, no. They're leather shoes. They're good shoes. They're like Stan Smith's. Oh, now he loves them. They're my favourite shoes.

They're not too bright at all. They are too. I wear them. I can't do it. I feel like Jerry Seinfeld, you know, with bright shoes, bright white shoes. I can't handle it. It's not me. So, anyway, they're out there for sale.

What else can I sell around the bedroom now that I'm in here? This is great. Let's get on with the show. Can I just say that you're looking very Marky Mark, who's just filmed Good Vibrations video at the moment, I have to say. Is that like a hat on backwards or a skull cap? I'm wearing a backwards cap and like I'm wearing like I'll show you the whole outfit. Hang on.

Oh, yes. Definite breakdancing been happening there. Yeah, I definitely look I'm definitely looking very Marky Mark. We have a lot of parish notices here. So let's crack through them. Lots of follow up from recent episodes. First of all, I know we've done a few of these songs that people have been writing to help memorize the apostles.

I don't want to go too hard on them because there's only so many songs you can play of the apostles. But we've had two really good ones, so I thought I've got to play these ones. The first one was sent in by Joshua. Joshua says, my daughter, who he hasn't named. I don't know if that's deliberate. So maybe he doesn't want to name her. So he's just saying, my daughter wanted to come up with something for the 12 Apostles Song Challenge.

I thought you'll recognize the tune. And this is his daughter, both singing and on piano. I've seen the video. Very talented young girl. And here's what she came up with. on piano. I've seen the video. Very talented young girl. And here's what she came up with. John, Judith, James, I'll begin with a J. Not Simon, Peter, but the other one. Now just one more, he's that he is. Don't forget about him.

Now you'll remember all of the twelve apostles. That is impressive work by little Miss Joshua Jr., I have to say. Really fantastic job. Beautiful, eloquent, well-recorded, well-performed. Oh, golly gosh. Great tune. Yeah. Of course.

Well, that's right. Yes. Classic. Sofa shop. Well worth playing. I'm glad we presented that one. That is a cut above. That sort of sits in the middle ground between Sofa Shop covers and Apostle songs. She's sort of, you know, it's a real mashup there.

Yeah. If she'd done like a Dutch rap in the middle, that would have been the quintessential Unmade podcast musical performance. There you go. You're sowing seeds there. All right. And here's another one. Hi, Tim and Brady.

I'm Jay, a former high school teacher, long-time listener of the podcast. I've been meaning to do the music challenges you guys set, but either missed the boat on them or never managed to work up the nerve to do so. Anyway, here's my take on a song to help remember the names of the 12 apostles. I served to the doctor, Halle. Like you, I forgot the apostles' names. So here's a song with decent melody To help commit their names to memory Peter, Matthew, James, and John

Jude, Andrew, Philip, Simon Judas, James, Mark, Paul, and Luke Thomas and sometimes Matthias too Peter, Matthew, James, and John Jude, Andrew, Philip, Simon Judas, James, Mark, Paul, and Luke Thomas and sometimes Matthias too What do you think of that, Tim? Two minds about this one.

Firstly, I have to admire it. It's clever. Certainly it's clever. It's well done. It's well articulated and put together. The other mind is me. I can't stand that kind of punk pop music. I just can't stand it.

So it's not for me, that sort of commercial Green Day sort of thing. But I admire this. If I was going to listen to that sort of genre, I'd listen to this over any of the Green Day albums or Offspring albums or any of those. Well, there you go, Jay. Tim likes your music better than Green Day and The Offspring. So you can take that away from him. You can take that away.

Well, Blink 182, they do. All their songs are like this too. And sorry to all those who love that sort of music out there, but it's not for me. That's for sure. Well, there you go. You've been told, Jay. But I tell you, I have to admire it. I have to say I admire it.

Well done. Nice work. I thought it was very good, very professional. Next, I want to take us to the Queensland town of Toowoomba. You might remember, I think it was a couple of episodes ago, we did Spoon of the Week and Tim did a random pull from his family collection and pulled out a spoon from Toowoomba. This is a town in the state of Queensland, as I said, and we knew nothing about it. We even made a joke about how little we

knew about Toowoomba. Tim didn't know how it came to be in the family collection. Presumably his dad once passed through Toowoomba at some stage. Who knows? But it was a big joke how little we knew about Toowoomba, wasn't it, Tim? Oh, it was hilarious, Brady. Yes, it was. It was. It was hilarious. Oh, how we laughed. Yes. Well, yes, we did.

We had a right old chuckle at how funny we were. The next day, the day after we published this episode, I was at your church, Tim. And as much as I love your sermons, I did have my little boy there. So, I had to leave the church and go out to the sort of children's nursery area because I didn't want my young man's noise to, you know, ruin your flow. So, I did the right thing and took him out to the play area. I appreciate that. And there I met another couple who had their children and we had a chat. And it turns out this couple i i believe are quite good friends

of yours you've known them for many years you've worked with them they seemed quite close to you this is right isn't it you know you know yeah indeed absolutely yeah worked with and known them for a decade dear friends i would go so far as to say you're setting me up but yes anyway anyway i asked the wife so tell me about yourself. Where are you from? First thing she says to me, I'm from a place in Queensland called Toowoomba. She's from Toowoomba. Close friend of yours.

You didn't mention this Toowoomba connection when we spoke about the spoon. What was going on? Well, I didn't know. I didn't know that they were from Toowoomba. I would have brought it up if i did know we seem to have never spoken about it they are lovely people and it is a bit like i do meet lovely people from queensland it's a bit like oh like interesting people do come from queensland oh that's great so i didn't i don't explore much of their queensland origins i do know a variety of really interesting people from Queensland, but I don't tend to follow up with the part of Queensland they're from.

And I didn't even, I wasn't totally sure that Toowoomba was in Queensland. I certainly didn't know that fact. And I apologise profusely to this person and to all people from Toowoomba. Well, Tim, you have someone else to apologize to because I got an email from someone called Tara and the subject in the email was Tim knows someone from Toowoomba. And this isn't that couple. Right. So Tara writes, hi, Tim and Brady.

I'm a Toowoomba local born and raised here, but have lived elsewhere too. You're right, it's not very interesting here, but it's still one of my favourite places in the world. My husband and I moved back here from London and love it. It's got great parks and is a good cross between a city and a country town. Plus, it's a mountain, so it means you escape the worst of Queensland heat and humidity. Oh, right. Anyway, this may sound somewhat creepy, but

I thought it may give you something to comment on. Years ago, Facebook suggested Tim as a friend to me. Obviously, my curiosity got the better of me, and I clicked on his profile. It turned out we had five mutual friends. Pretty weird. One of those mutual friends is from Toowoomba. So it turns out Tim has got a contact here. And Tim, apparently that contact is someone called... Does that ring a bell? No. Obviously not a dear friend. No. Sorry. Anyway, I'm surprised Tim doesn't know Toowoomba for its Gospel Music Festival that ran from 1999 until 2015.

People came from all over Australia and New Zealand to see famous Christian bands. After the big flood here in 2011, there were a bunch of Christian bands who wrote a fundraiser song, Do They Know It's Christmas Style? I thought it was great, as a 19-year-old who had never heard a song about her city before. Well, that's lovely.

I don't know who that is, and I don't know who the friend is to which she's referring, but I stand corrected. I now know at least two people from Toowoomba. That's great. Tim has this incredible Toowoomba blind spot. On the Reddit, a quick shout-out to HiFuzzyToaster, a listener who lives in Toowoomba,

and AquaverPast8 wrote, I know someone from Toowoomba, my dad and his family. I think some of my ancestors were major shareholders and managers in the Toowoomba Foundry. This foundry invented and produced the Southern Cross Windmill, which is that iconic Australian outback looking windmill. According to Google, the foundry is now a bunning store. I wonder, you know how in Australia we shorten the name of everything? I wonder what they do with Toowoomba. Is it the womb or the woomba? The woomba.

Or the womb? Maybe they call it the womb. The big bar. T.W. The tomb. The tomb town. The tomb meister. Toowoomba.

Toowoomba is such a, it is a fun, it is a fun word. Toowoomba. Toowoomba is such a... It is a fun word. Toowoomba. It is a fun word. Tim and Brady, I'm an American who has never visited Australia, much less Toowoomba, but as someone who grew up near Indianapolis, Indiana, I know one famous Toowoomba native, Will Power. Yes, that's his real name.

He's a two-time IndyCar Series champion and the only Australian winner of the Indy 500. Oh, wow. There we go. Will Powers from Toowoomba. This episode was brought to you by the Toowoomba Tourist Commission. Yes, indeed. Come and visit our Bunnings, which used to be a foundry, the place where Will Power is from. And they used to have a good music festival with gospel music,

but doesn't anymore. And was once flooded. We also talked recently about my ritual of touching the outside of a plane when I board a plane. Yeah. To prevent it from crashing. Did you do that on the way home? Of course.

I always do it. Right. Okay. I never, ever go on a flight where i don't touch the outside of the plane as i board and as i get off and we heard from numerous people who do likewise uh i will i will quote just a couple but we did hear from many more than two this comes from jason dear brady and tim it was very disquieting last episode when brady was discussing his airplane boarding superstition.

I too have a nearly identical ritual. Before entering the plane, I touch my index and middle fingers to my lips and then tap the fuselage above the door as I board. I've never told anyone this and always assumed it was subtle enough that nobody would notice. I thought I was alone in doing this, but apparently not. Rationally, I know this practice is meaningless, but I've always considered how dumb I'd feel the time I didn't do it and the plane crashed. After the plane lands, I also always tell the flight attendants or the flight crew,

if available, nice work. I know a failure to do this could have little impact on the immediately preceding flight, but I worry it might curse a flight in the future, so I don't take any chances. I do understand a little bit of your fascination with that little bit of the outside of the plane. I do ponder it as I get on and go, wow, that bit's going to be way up in the air. It's going to be flying over the ocean. It's going to be touching all sorts of weather and rain. You know, like there is some fascination with it. Yeah, you're right. It is a bit magical, that little bit you get to see and touch. That's like the naughty

outside part of the plane that you would never get to touch during the flight, of course. No, no. How could you? But here's your one chance to have a little naughty touch. Wind your window up, sir. Keep your elbows in. We're across the Atlanticantic i'm just thinking how tempting a naughty touch would be as an episode title but anyway how about uh this from nuclear tumbleweed in dr brady's defense not only do i touch the outside of a plane while boarding but i also take a picture of the aircraft's safety card as well. It started as a habit many years ago when I only flew on special occasions and

wanted to remember the plane. Now I fly almost weekly and can't bring myself to break the habit. I'm not superstitious that the plane will crash if I don't touch the plane or take a picture of the safety card, but I feel the need to keep the 10 plus year streak going. I think maybe that's it with me too. It's almost like not wanting to break the streak. Yeah. Maybe more than worrying about a crash or luck. I think it's just like, yeah, I've just got that brain that loves streaks and collections and unbroken things. Well, that's like me. Like I've never touched the outside of the plane, and I just can't start now. I can't break my non-touching streak.

It's been a lifetime. I couldn't bear to now. And Tim's non-touching streak would be another excellent podcast title. Indeed. Here we go. We talked about objects that last a long time. Tim brought up his toaster, and I brought up a fan, I believe, in my house. Numerous people got in touch about objects they have that have lasted a long time.

Bruce on the subreddit said his long-lasting object was his first home PC, an Atari 800 purchased in 1984. While I don't use it daily, I still hook it up to the big screen once in a while. And Adeline said, hi, Tim and Brady. You talked about designing things that get better with time to help reduce waste. I think one good example of this is leather shoes. The more I wear them, the better they get. I intentionally buy leather shoes with soles that can be replaced for this reason. Love the podcast, Adeline. Yeah, yeah. Yeah?

Leather's good. No arguments here. That's why we made our key ring. The shoe theme continues. I was just reading that more for the sake of your shoes in case they're listening into this episode. Oh, yeah, okay. They are all, apart from the canvas on the Chuck Taylors,

they are all leathers. There's one, two, three pairs of R.M. Williams, Doc Martens. Then there's a few sneakers. They're all leather. Yeah. So, we talked about bumping into, well, we talked about that lady that bumped into me at the Big Rocking Horse. And then we joked about bumping into the Pope at the Vatican, you know, bumping into famous

people at appropriate places. And this led to an interesting email. Who did it come from? Is it from the pope no hang on i'm trying to find the name uh this comes from chris and and it comes in the context that we joked about bumping into the pope at the toilet at the vatican by the way not quite the pope but around 12 years ago my mum having started worshipping at our anglican church decided she wanted to be confirmed in the church because Because of the timing, she was offered an opportunity to receive her confirmation, not at our parish, but at the

cathedral downtown. Before the service, there was a family meet and greet time in a side room, and we were introduced to various clergy members, including the Archbishop of Toronto at the time, Colin Johnson. There was a brief hello and photo opportunity, and then we stood around eating finger sandwiches and sipping coffee. Shortly before the service, I went to the restroom. As I walked into the urinals, I noticed somebody standing in a stall peeing, but with the door closed. I didn't think much of it, but when I turned around to go to the sink, I realised it was the arch. We nodded at each other as I started washing my hands, but I had to ask, do you basically just lift your vestments to go? He actually laughed and replied, I lift for one,

but I remove for two. Right. Laugh out loud. I have met him a few times since, and he remains charming and with no airs and graces about him. He has since retired as Archbishop. There we go. There's a lot of robes there, I guess. Yeah. I don't wear all those vestments and robes. I'm also not an Anglican Archbishop, so that's why.

It would be one of the harder outfits to go to the toilet in, I imagine. A bit like a knight in a suit of armour. That's a difficult one, too. Oh, yeah. How did they? Yeah. Did they just do it in their armour? They must have.

Like, especially on the battlefield or something. Was there a little trap door they could open to? I don't know. I don't know. What about the band Kiss? That's another difficult one. Here's another one, Tim. Sorry, we've been getting so many messages today.

I think it's only fair we sometimes read out these messages because people go to the trouble to send them. talked about how bad adelaide drivers are and how they don't let you in when you want to change lanes oh yeah this comes from the walrus stated johannesburg drivers are probably the worst a colleague of mine was driving home from work one day when he was hijacked while sitting in stationary traffic in the turning left lane. It wasn't his first time. He drives a VW Golf, a super commonly hijacked vehicle. He saw the guys with guns appear out of some bushes, calmly grabbed his phone and wallet and climbed out of the car and walked away before they even reached him. He walked down the line of traffic asking for a lift when someone up front called to him the hijackers had abandoned his golf because

no one in the stream of traffic to the right of the car would let them in not because they were hijackers the cars wouldn't have known but just because joe burgers hate letting cars change lanes so the hijackers abandoned his car for the lack of a getaway route oh classic my colleague got back in his car drove to the shops to buy some new sunglasses because it's all the hijackers took from his car. And that was that. Golly gosh. So that's where traffic saved his car. Yeah.

These crooks are trying to change lanes and get away. And everyone's like, no, you're not getting in, mate. And they're like, oh. So he's basically seen them coming, got out of the car and went, oh, yeah, no, just take it and walked away. Like just made an instant walk away decision. Remember when we were young and we used to hear lots of stories about people getting rolled, like, for their sneakers? Yes. That was your biggest fear about having nice shoes was there was this constant fear.

Oh, yeah. There were two things. There were two things in life, or there were lots of things I grew up in life scared of, but there were two that now seem irrational. One was having my sneakers stolen. And the other one was people on water slides in front of me stopping and using chewing gum and razor blades to stick razor blades to the water slide so the next person down would get cut. Oh, yes.

There was this urban myth that people on water slides were doing that all around the world and you had to be so careful on water slides that you didn't get cut by razor blades. Oh, golly gosh. Yes, yes. Which is a cringeworthy thought just to think now. Oh, yeah, it is. But I think particularly with the sneakers, I think parents might have perpetuated that one.

Like, no, we're not buying you expensive sneakers because you'll just get rolled for them. This is happening now. We saw it on the news last night. sneakers because you'll just get rolled for them. This is happening now. We saw it on the news last night. And it's, like, happening in Harlem in New York City. Less so in Brooklyn Park in Adelaide.

Marion Shopping Centre. Yeah, that's right. It's like, yeah. But it was talked about as, like, you're going to get robbed. Basically, it's a hijacking. You're going to have your sneakers hijacked. That's what's going to happen. Is that why you're offloading those Stan Smiths? You're worried that you're going to get targeted?

That's right. They're just too nice. They're too bright. Someone's going to happen. Is that why you're offloading those Stan Smiths? You're worried that you're going to get targeted? That's right. They're just too nice. They're too bright. Someone's going to come. I'm like, all right, take them away. But with sneakers being stolen, you were quite right to say this. It was never your sneakers would be stolen or you would be robbed. It was always rolled.

Rolled. You would always be rolled for your sneakers. Is that a term that we use for anything other than sneakers? I'm not sure. I don't know. Anyway, there we go. Lots of parish notices. That is a lot of parish notices.

That's more parish notices than our church. Can I say, I've been to your church a few times now, and there's one thing I find a bit strange. And that's happened a few times, so it must be normal. And that is, like, you're the main event, right, man? Your sermon is like, you know, the business. That's what people are there for, right? It's exciting. And you're sitting off to the side, and I can sense the excitement that, you know, I wonder what Tim's sermon is going to be about.

But always, you always get up and do, like, one parish notice beforehand, like 10 or 15 minutes before. Like, there'll be different notices, and you'll get up and tell the congregation, oh, by the way, everyone, there's a thing happening on Tuesday night. I think it's going to be really good. I'd like you all to turn up or, you know. And then you go back to your seat for another 10 to 15 minutes before your sermon. And I think that's a mistake. Right.

You need to stop doing that. Right. Because you're breaking the spell. It's like if you're going to go and see, like, a huge band and during, like, one of the support acts, they just come out and say, hey, everyone, we're going to be out in 15 minutes. Can't wait to see you. You know, it's going to be huge tonight. Anyway, we're going to go get ready. Like, a band would never do that because you've got to build up the mystery and the suspense until you finally see them.

You may be missing the whole point of church, which is no, it's not actually about me. I know I'm the person you know at church. And so, you're like, oh, I wonder what Tim's going to do or say or whatever. But it's not actually about me. It's actually about Jesus. So, dispelling. So, it would ruin it if Jesus came out and gave a parish notice. Indeed.

Indeed. That's right. Just letting you guys know we've got the church barbecue coming up next week. You know, please bring a plate. I'll be back in a moment. Anyway, I'll see you all later when I come back and save your souls. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

It's like, that's right. There is to be no mystique. It is not about me. It is- You know what I mean? and save your souls. That's right. Yeah, yeah. It's like, that's right. There is to be no mystique. It is not about me. It is, you know what I mean? Like, at all. The sermon is the thing that is the longest part or the bit where you're listening. Yeah, but come on, man.

Even you have to concede there is like, it's a show. There is a bit of show. Like, you know, there's like, there's art to it. You are putting on a performance of a sort. It's an act of communication. I'm trying not to do a performance, but you can't. It's clearly not a conversation. I'm not just thinking it up as I go along.

You're going, here's something I've prepared and I'm presenting. And you use jokes to make it funnier. Yeah, yeah. So, you are trying to entertain people. Engage people, keep them interested. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. But it's not like-

Well, it's not like everything we do before then is like the build-up to this. Some churches I know are like that. It is a bit like that. It's like the TED Talk sort of inspirational moment. And it is all about- Because I would love to see you come out of the stage through a trap door. John Bon Jovi, that's right. Come in.

Yeah. Come up from the floor or- Yeah, that would be pretty cool. That probably would be a little bit too look at me though, that's right. Come up from the floor or... Yeah, that would be pretty cool. That probably would be a little bit too look at me though. You're right. Oh, no, I think that would be acceptable. Let's try it out. That'd be right, a trap door.

Remember we saw Garth Brooks like that and it was just like, just building, building, building and then this thing opened up and came out and then came down the box and then the box, sides of the box came down and then he was just sitting in the middle of it that was so cool yeah oh amazing gotta get one of those i'm a sucker for youtube clips where there's like the backstage area of a show and people are like you know climbing into the little bit that propels them up into the air or you know laying on this roller thing that takes them out to the middle stage i love all that stuff i love these videos that have been doing the rounds lately of taylor swift being taken to the stage for her performance.

And she literally hides in like a janitor's rolling trolley. Oh, I've seen that. And they hide her in one of those. And they pretend it's like, oh, here's just like there's brooms and stuff on the outside. And yeah, yeah. That's how they're getting her to the stage because everyone's looking for her. Yeah, yeah. There's lots of different ways they've done that over the years i like i like there's a there's a real tradition now with big stadium shows of the band just like walking out

and then like here we are and i like that as well like metallica does that just understated like yeah yeah yeah that's well that's like you getting up and doing your announcing a barbecue that's why i got it from metallica that's where i got it from yeah it's like i come out just have a cigar on the side of the stage you know sort of couple of high fives and then i go all right i'm gonna go up there now and rock this place i mean you even go and have a cup of tea with the congregation before so imagine that imagine if you went to a u2 concert and bono brought you a cup of tea and a biscuit. Yeah, that's right. It's going to be a good one tonight. Let's just... Did you get a new sheet?

I'm imagining Nick Cave comes out on stage in a pretty understated way. He just wanders out. Yeah, yeah. He's got his own sense of majesty, but it's pretty like, here I am. It's not... There's no show-busy, pretentious things. It's just kind of the dark lord wanders out g'day tim let's go ideas for a podcast right it's christmas right so even if you're listening to this ages later

it's christmas like now so well it's not christmas now it's like early december well it's kind of it's it's the christmas season it's the Christmas season. It's in, theologically speaking, it's Advent, which is like the you know, anticipation. Look behind me, Tim. There's my Star Wars Lego Advent calendar. Oh, nice work. You've just become so religious lately. Every time you open your mouth on the podcast, something about church or faith or something comes out. And now you've got a Star Wars Advent calendar calendar i'm trying to relate to you man i'm trying to engage with you okay uh no no i appreciate that no that's great yeah so it's christmas it's the christmas season

and even if you're listening at another time that happens with the tv show too doesn't it you're watching a series and it's like oh here we go here's the christmas episode whatever um yeah so this is like maybe not a christmas, but I was thinking of Christmas ideas. I found it really hard to come up with a Christmas idea. I thought about one idea that I had that I've disregarded is the idea of what would you most like to find in a bonbon on Christmas Day? And then it could be more interesting by saying what would you least like to find in a bonbon on Christmas Day at Christmas dinner? Which could get quite sinister. Yeah.

But then I started flicking through all my other ideas and just adding the words at Christmas at the end of them. Right. Sort of like, I've got one here. It's like the film Inside Out, but set in a stomach rather than a brain at Christmas. So that's something that could work. There's an idea.

I've just got here disappointment. You could go at Christmas. Run a campaign for politics at Christmas. Man, you're blowing all your good ideas here in one fell swoop. I don't remember doing this one. Does Yoda yodel? That's what I've written here. At Christmas.

I mean, that's a podcast idea in itself or just a good idea. Is everything better with at Christmas added to the end? At Christmas. Easter. At Christmas. Easter eggs under the Christmas tree. So, is there something in it? A lie I told at Christmas.

Oh, yeah. That'd be a very good one. You know how I've suggested before the podcast, dear, about people who died on their birthday? Yes. If that had happened to Jesus, wouldn't Easter and Christmas be a different experience? You know, he may have Because of course December the 25th is relatively arbitrary As Easter moves around

Whereas someone's death date doesn't move around through history Maybe he did Maybe he did One in every 365 messiahs do die on their birthday Yes We have just leveraged it out to more holidays though i guess that's this way yes that's important and it would be difficult combining lent and advent because in advent you're sort of buying heaps and heaps of yummy stuff whereas lent you're supposed

to be like like you know avoiding all the heaps of yummy stuff so and i and i guess like you'd have to get like giant eggs under the the Christmas tree with presents inside them. Hmm. Yeah. It's inside them. Yes, that's right. And the Easter bunny would be pulling the sleigh instead of reindeer. Oh, yeah.

You know, I was thinking about Christmas the other day. Hot-crossed mince pies? That's right. As we were putting up the Christmas tree, I was looking, okay, this really, this is all, this is all. It felt too soon to be putting all the Christmasmas stuff out which made all the christmas stuff suddenly look ridiculous like it's all we're in the the southern hemisphere it's hot as and we're putting this snow out and all that kind of stuff i know we know this and we talk about this every year but i don't know this year it suddenly did seem a little bit ridiculous and yet i was quickly

swept away and into it. And away we go. I've got a couple of podcast ideas, Tim. Can I share them? What have you got? Are they Christmas related? They're Christmas related. And let's do the religious one first,

because you think I always bring up religion. And this idea comes directly from you and from your church. Right. Because I asked you about what Christmas was like at your church and that. And you told me about a special service that you're doing this year called, was it called Blue Christmas? Blue Christmas. Yeah, we did it last year too. Before I talk about my podcast idea, can you explain to me what this Blue Christmas Church service is? Well, it's a service of lament because come Christmas time,

people who have family, friends, community, it heightens that feeling of connectedness. People who are lonely, people who are grieving, people who have lost people recently in particular or for whatever reason have negative memories of Christmas. It's a hard, it's an awful time of the year. It's really, really difficult. And so in amongst Christmas services where we might sing Christmas carols and remember the meaning of Christmas, the nativity story of Jesus, we also have a service

of lament and it's called Blue Christmas. So, you come along and there's space and time and acknowledgement of those things and that God's with us in our times of grief as well. Okay. Well, I thought that was interesting. And the idea I took from that is not a Christmas idea or a religious idea, but I like the idea of the Blue Podcast. And we always talk about funny things and have a lot of fun here. and we always talk about funny things and have a lot of fun here. But I thought, imagine a podcast called The Blue Podcast where people come on just to talk about sad things and to sort of be a bit sad and to kind of lean into that sadness,

acknowledge it, not say, cheer up, Charlie, everything's going to be okay, but just sit there and just wallow a little bit in sadness and accept that that's part of life. You could have guests come on and talk about the saddest part of their life or a sad thing they're going through, things like that. The Blue podcast. Brilliant. I'm all over this.

This is fantastic. Yeah. There's actually a song, you know, Blue Christmas that Elvis Presley sang, and you can find it around the place. I listened to it five minutes before we started the podcast. What are the lyrics like in it? For what is he being blue? I think it's about unrequited love.

Oh, okay. That's a little bit different, isn't it? A sad love song is a bit different to real grief. You know what I mean? Like, there's like, oh, that girl won't go out with me is a different to I've lost my wife of 35 years. You know, there's blue and then there's blue. Do you think there's a market for a sad podcast, the blue podcast? Yeah, I think there would be.

I don't want it to be like a podcast about helping you deal with it. Like, I don't want it to be like a self-help podcast. I want it to be just sad. Sad things happen and we can talk about it and be sad. Because that's kind of how you, that's how you kind of pitched the blue Christmas service to me a little bit. It wasn't about, you know, trying to cheer them up. It was, it is about kind of pitched the blue Christmas service to me a little bit. It wasn't about, you know, trying to cheer them up. It is about kind of accepting the sadness. Yeah, there's nothing worse than someone trying to cheer you up

because generally they're trying to cheer you up because they feel uncomfortable about how sad you are, which means they're thinking about themselves. They're not thinking about you. They're trying to pretend and you can't pretend when you're sad. You just have to say, I'm sad. I need to feel this emotion. I feel like we are in an Inside Out film episode. That's kind of the point. You've got to let sadness take over for a while, which is what the film Inside Out is all about.

Yeah, absolutely. I love it. I love this idea. There's more like in the Bible, there's like 150 psalms and they're kind of like the song lyrics. And there's more lament psalms, psalms of like, you know, woe is me and I'm feeling sad and my heart is downcast than any other type. There's a lot of blue in the Bible. Do you have a saddest time of your life ever that you remember? Like a blue period? Oh, yeah.

There's some really dark times for sure. Yeah. A few years ago, I went through a very, very difficult time dealing with some memories and difficult things. years ago i went through a very very difficult time dealing with some uh memories and difficult things um when you're feeling blue there there are some some there's it can be dangerous actually when you try and get away from the blue feeling because you try and cheer yourself up and you can sometimes do that by reaching out for things that are not help not good for you in the longer term and so reaching out for help and i feel like we put at this point encourage people to reach out for help from for professional help.

Absolutely, if they find themselves stuck in a place where they're stuck in a moment they can't get out of, that's a very important thing to do. Yeah. But absolutely, there's been another time where I was in a very, quite a dark place coming to terms with some childhood trauma stuff. coming to terms with some childhood trauma stuff. And I mentioned it to someone who was very kind and gracious and gave me good advice. And then I got some counselling and that went on a bit of a journey that took a long time. That was a very important journey,

probably one of the defining journeys of my life. Yeah, seeing you asked. All right, there we go. If people want to hear any more about that, I do have a book about that out there that they can Google and read, but it's on a particular topic. Yes. And so it would be only relevant to some people.

But the second half of the book has more general reflections on suffering and sadness and blue. We'll put a link to that book in the video description. You can check it out if it's something you want to find out more about. Either that or my sneakers. They're both available online to purchase. Yeah. Tim will make more money if you buy the sneakers.

If you're wanting to help him out financially, go for the sneakers. Indeed. I've had another idea for a podcast. Again, inspired by Christmas, but not about Christmas. What part of my church is this one about? No, no, it's not about church. Oh, no, I will link it back to the church. Don't worry, for God's sake.

But it doesn't have to be church related. This actually comes more from the sort of the secular side of Christmas, because yesterday we went to the Christmas tree farm that we go to every year to cut down, to choose to cut down our Christmas tree. Oh, nice. You get a fresh tree every year. That's cool. Fresh tree every year. And it's handpicked. The guy who runs the Christmas tree farm is a guy called Simon. And we've been going for so long now. He remembers us. He'll say hello to us by name and, you know, how are you going and have a little, you know, small talk, the sort of small talk you have.

And that got me thinking about people in my life who I see once a year and only once a year because I only see this guy once a year, my Christmas tree guy. Oh, yeah. And I thought it would be a good podcast talking about people in your life, relationships you have that involve seeing someone once a year. Oh, that's brilliant. How do you think of these? That's a great idea.

Damn it. Damn it. Damn you. Right. Okay. Good idea. Yes. Who do you see once a year?

Oh, let me think. Because I thought when I mapped it back onto you in my head, I thought of you more as the Simon character because you're a church minister. And for some people, going to church is something they just do once a year, funnily enough, at Christmas. Yeah, yeah. So, I imagine there are some people you see once a year at church.

That's true, yes. There are also coincidentally other people too. Like, there is one couple that we bumped into, I think it was three times over the space of about three years in one spot in a department store here david jones in the city at the same spot it was so bizarre we're like oh oh hello you know and then and then it was like about a year later it's like wow wow okay there you are again and then i'm pretty sure it happened one more time in a slightly different place in the same department store it's less like we'll see you next year like it's brilliant brilliant there were things i thought of that were obvious like maybe like

health related like your dentist perhaps you see once a year someone who checks your eyes maybe i don't know oh yeah yeah yeah my eye guy i see once a year it's a weird relationship isn't it someone you see once a year because it's like where do you start the conversation you can't really say what have you been up to because too much has happened. My accountant. Yes. I see my accountant. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. That's a good one. Once a year. So, yeah, that's great because you can't pretend you've got a better relationship than you do because when you call up, you know it's only to do with this. It's work. It's not like I'm just calling up to see how you're going. It's like that time again. Here we are.

It's not like I'm just calling up to see how you're going. It's like, that time again, here we are. My accountant, I know enough about to ask, like, I'll ask how her family is and a few medical things that have happened. I know I'll ask her about and things like that. But I guess I have contact with her more than once a year, but I only see her in person probably once a year. I do a little bit of emailing, but that's right, in person, the sitting there. Someone who does maintenance, like on your boiler or sweeps your chimney something like that we have like a filtered um clear water system in our um sink and so every year that guy calls up and says it's time for me to come around and change your filter and he was he was here today actually because we had a new

tap installed which is attached to it so literally he came up but it's only been six months he's like it's only six months and we're like but the tap's dripping we need to get it all replaced and so that was a bit of a um was a bit too soon you know for him but uh something you have to have done in the uk is you have to have a special check on your car once a year called the mot so quite often i'll see a certain mechanic once a year when i take my car i asked simon the christmas tree guy what's it like having all these people that you only see once a year? And he described it as like, in his head, it's like an odometer in a car. He says he sees these people and in his head, this big wheels turning.

Another year has gone and another year has gone. And I say, do you always, what's it like? Do you notice the passage of time? Do people look different and that? Do you feel like you're seeing them age? And he said not so much that. The only thing that catches him out a lot is beards. People who one year do have a beard

and the next year don't have a beard. That's the thing that he finds most noticeable and interesting. Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah, once a year people but you might see them for a long time we've been watching a show that's really entertaining called clarkson's farm and it follows a uk very well-known personality in the uk called jeremy clarkson and he owns a big farm and he decides he's a city guy decides to learn how to farm it himself but he's got from his local area people that come and like do the harvest.

And there's one guy called Gerald and he's sort of harvested this particular paddock for whoever's owned the farm for 50 straight years. And it was the COVID year and he wanted to get out there, even though it was the, you know, he had a bit of COVID. He determined to get out and do a patch of it because he wanted to say that he's done that field for 50 years. But of course, just once a year, it just comes in for harvest and away we go. I love that idea. That's wonderful. This episode has been brought to you by Hover, the domain registrar company, the place to go if you want to get a domain on the internet like timhine.ninja, unmade.fm, whatever you need, whether it's for personal or business

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Yeah. But yeah, if you know someone, you could buy them the domain, like, of their name or some cute thing to do with them. And then without them even knowing, you could divert that domain to, like, you know, their Facebook page or their Twitter or, sorry, their ex or, you know, their Instagram and that. And then you could say to them on Christmas, like in their Christmas card, you could say, your present this year is, you know, timhine.ninja. And they type it in on their phone and it already goes through to like their Instagram or something. So, already it's kind of useful.

And they could then do what they want with it. If they want to then attach it to a website later in life or do other things, that's fine. But I think that's a really cute present. Have it in the Christmas card. Here's a domain type this into your browser nice idea nice idea yeah you could get a couple actually and one of them is like you could play a joke where you've like bought the domain name but you've misspelt their name and so it can be like a big fanfare here it is i've got this you know domain for you online and it's like what you've got my name and

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Yeah. Big beard, tummy-light jelly, red suit. once a year. Yeah. Big beard, tummy like jelly, red suit, once a year. Here he comes. Father Christmas. Father Christmas. Father Christmas. I tell you what, man, I see him way more than once a year. I've seen him at the Magic Cave.

I went and did a Santa train last weekend. I'm going to another cave this weekend. This will be our third Santa Claus already. I see him way more than once a year. I see him way more than my accountant. I see him more than you at the moment. No. This is his time of year, though, doesn't he?

He's a bit out of context at any other time, isn't he? He owns, this is December. December is his month. He's everywhere. I wonder when Santa Claus's birthday is. Oh, yeah. Wow. It's got to be pretty when Santa Claus's birthday is. Oh, yeah. Wow. It's got to be pretty quiet because he's not going to say, hey, everyone come around.

Do you reckon he gets all dressed up at other times or at home? He's just sort of like in thongs and well, thongs in Australia are flip-flops. I should clarify. And shorts or jeans. It's still always pretty cold at the North Pole, so I don't know about shorts. I wonder how Santa Claus feels about Easter. Does he like Easter? Does he resent it?

Like, there's a rivalry? Like, so he's a bit sniffy about it? I don't know. Like, it's when it's someone else's birthday, you know, and you're like, oh, jealous because it's not your birthday. That kind of thing. Like, it's a... But it's not even that. It's like a direct rival.

It's like. Hmm. Can we do a quick spoon of the week? Oh, we can. Yeah. Very quick because I just need to burn these spoons off because I bought two spoons in Australia and keep forgetting to do them. So here is.

And here's two spoons. I'll put links to them in the description if people want to see them. The first one I bought at Mount Lofty Summit. Mount Lofty is the highest mountain in Adelaide. Is it really? Is it a mountain? It's just sort of part of the Adelaide Hills. It's the highest one.

It's the one that's got the big TV antennas on top of it. So that's where all the TV stations transmit from. There's like a restaurant up there and a gift shop. And there's a big white tower, like a lookout type tower. And the spoon I bought up there is of that white tower. It's just a nice normal spoon. But at the top, there's a nice Mount Lofty summit thing there. And I've got a real soft spot in my heart for Mount Lofty.

So I wanted to get it into our spoon of the week canon. So there is a Mount Lofty spoon. I wonder if Lofty is named after a person or it's just that it's like really lofty by Adelaide standards. No, it's because it's tall. I think it was named from the sea. I think maybe it was named by like Flinders or someone from the boat. They said, oh, there's the tallest one. We'll call it was named by like flinders or someone from the from the boat they said oh there's the tallest one we'll call it mount lofty all right i think i've discussed this before but one of my minor claims to fame when i was a newspaper journalist at the adelaide

advertiser was i had a suspicion that the height given for mount lofty might not be correct and i was at a time when i was obsessed with like sort of geographical things. So, and from memory, the height was something like 727 metres. I could be wrong about that. But I went and did some checks with the authorities and it turns out that height was actually the top of this white tower that's on Mount Lofty and not the actual ground. Cheating. And so the height that had been used for Mount Lofty

for all these years was wrong. So I got to write this amazing story saying, Mount Lofty is not as lofty as you think. It's Mount Not-So-Lofty. And it was like 10 metres shorter than everyone thought. So I was sort of correcting this figure that had been used for many years. So Mount Lofty. You're like the man that went up a mountain and came down a hill.

Yeah. I'm sure we made that joke last time as well. I can't remember. I really do. But also, we bought a spoon at the Big Rocking Horse. I bought it while I was there with Tim. But it hasn't got the Big Rocking Horse on it, this one. This is just, it says the Big Rocking Horse Gamaraka.

Yeah. But the object on top, this sort of three-dimensional sculpture. Yeah. Can you tell what that is, Tim? Is it a cockatoo? It is a cockatoo. It is a sulphur-crested cockatoo. Kakatua galarita.

It's a relatively large white cockatoo found in the wooded habitats of Australia, New Guinea and some islands of Indonesia. They can be very numerous and they can sometimes be considered pests, according to Wikipedia. They're a highly intelligent bird, well known in aviculture, although they can be demanding pets. Aviculture is the breeding and keeping of birds. I pass no comment on that. How long do you think cockatoos live, Tim? Oh, it's a long time, isn't it? Isn't it like 60 years or something? They can live upwards of 70 years in captivity. Wow. But they only live about 20 to 40 years in the wild. So the message there is if you're a cockatoo and want a long life,

get yourself in a cage. Indeed, indeed. Golly gosh, that's a long time. Two more spoons for our collection. Two spoons a week. I have to say the spoon of the week collection that's on the rack here at the Hein household has been disrupted this week because somehow they all made their way into our advent calendar. So it was kind of like a spoon of the week advent calendar.

They were all just perched into the little pouches, which is like... I'm so mad I didn't think of that as a piece of merch. How good would a spoon of the week advent calendar be oh it's great i've done it yeah so what they've been taken off the rack and put into an advent calendar so each day there's a new spoon in there but it's a spoon that has featured in spoon of the week that's right that's right yep love it except they got a bit heavy in the advent calendar because it's made of like soft material fell onto the floor and it all went clunk or you know know, everywhere that we've rescued it, but good idea.

Wasn't it? We do have an unmade podcast, official spoon. We're giving one away to a Patreon supporter. And this week it's going to Rebecca from Denmark who supports us on Patreon. Rebecca, we're going to at some stage in the near future,

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Lovely work. I have to say, the name Natalie is coming up regularly. There are Natalies everywhere at the moment. Yeah. I feel like I've heard it four times in the past week. It's a nice name. Yeah, it's a good name. It'd be in my top 100 favourite women's names, I reckon.

What's like number one? Cindy. Cindy, really? You said that quickly. Well, not really. But when I was a kid, it was like I loved the name Jason and I loved the girl's name Cindy. And when I used to write stories, the hero was always Jason

and his girlfriend was Cindy. So I used to just love the name Cindy. Now I realise it's probably, you know, it's not a name I would name a daughter necessarily. Cindy. I don't want to besmirch anyone out there called Cindy. It's probably not the best name. But growing up, I would have said Cindy. Did you get it from, is the youngest daughter on the Brady Bunches Cindy?

Is that right? I don't know where I got it from. Cindy with a C is my preferred spelling. And I don't know where i got it from cindy with a c is my preferred spelling and i don't know why i got so attached to it so early can't think of any other cindys yeah there was a doll called cindy as well uh but i don't think it was from that either i don't know what it was what were your other dolls called i don't think i had any dolls i wasn't really a doll guy action man doll did you i had a i had a 10th what's it called the 10 the million dollar man or the what's he called is that the 10 million dollar man 10

million dollar man yeah i had that action figure which is one of those things where it was a show on tv in the 70s that i maybe saw a repeat of once and yet found the action figure at a garage sale and was thrilled to have it but i have only a very vague notion of what the 10 million dollar man like was but i played with the action figure it was lee magis wasn't it who also played the fall guy oh right okay yeah yeah i remember the fall guy i will ask about the fact your nails are painted my nails oh yeah and my toes as well it was the the girls got at me last night. Yes. It's lovely.

Just sort of COVID boredom. Lockdown boredom. Yes. COVID beauty. But the toenails, I've never had the toenails done before. They got done. Yeah. So, I have to say, they are quite pretty.

Speaking of your daughters. I got nothing. Secret words? No, they were out. No. What do you think they would have chosen Considering what's been happening in the last few days? Because they seem to always pick words that are quite of the time

They do They go with something that's been happening that day I hung a picture for them today Maybe they'd say picture But that is almost certainly not the case. Do you want me to go and ask them now and come back quickly? Is that a fun thing to do? Go on.

Let's do live secret words. Here we go. Here we go. This is like David Letterman. Walking out the door. Hang on. I'll be back in a second. Tim's going out.

Tim's leaving the microphone. He's going to get the secret words because he's recording at home. He's recording. It looks like he's recording on the marital bed by the looks of it. He's still out of the room. I'll take this opportunity to tell people that after the episode finishes, we will be recording a request room that can be listened to by Patreon supporters. Go to patreon.com slash unmade FM.

If you would like to listen to just a little bit of bonus podcast, a bit of after show chat where we take requests from Patreon supporters of things they'd like to know or like us to do or like us to talk about check it out still waiting oh here we go and we're back he's back and we're back i've been out into the studio audience yeah and i've been able to return you've got to subtly drop these words in like just in conversation we're not going to be like, you know, too obvious about it No, no I'm not good at this

No, you're not I'm a bit of a potato head about it Really? Yeah, you are a bit of a potato head Or perhaps a gross pineapple A gross pineapple, maybe that's what I am I look like a bit of a pineapple with my hair Because I've got sort of crazy hair at home. Shall we retire to the request room?

That's probably good. Can I just clarify? I heard you say as I left, like it's not the marital bed. No, it is the room, but it's quite a long room and I'm at a chair arrangement down the other end. Oh, you're in a marital chair. That's right. The chair where the dog sleeps, actually. He jumps up on this chair.

And sometimes Tim, depending on how he's been behaving that day. That's right. Let's retire to the request room.