The Unmade Podcast - 142: Make No Bones

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

Tim and Brady discuss speeding, awareness courses, various parish notices, initials, Lego, and we reveal a special album.On Patreon listen to the Request Room in which we discuss our heights (among other things) - https://www.patreon.com/posts/101952302Apostles Album - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZsxkSuPtN4Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFMJoin the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/1bz3farCatch the podcast on YouTube where we often include accompanying videos and pictures - https://www.youtube.com/@unmadepodcastUSEFUL LINKSGraham and the Colonel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4LOVoPt_coSave A Lot ad jingle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=689SubyUw0gLJ Hooker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB03pPlRIb0It was not an NFL footballer who made the Lego comment, it was NBA player - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O56wsAsbjMMApostles Album - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZsxkSuPtN4Catch the bonus Request Room episode - https://www.patreon.com/posts/101952302Information about getting the Request Room into your podcast feed (for patrons) - https://bit.ly/3uQWhNz

There's something I've always wanted to do, right? Hmm. Tough, uncompromising, no holds barred, no beg your pardons. It's time for those intellectual sparring partners, Tim and Brady. Nice. That's a reference to the intro to Graham and the Colonel, which was a comedy sketch on The Late Show, a big part of our formative years.

Oh, it was. A lazily named show in retrospect because at the time it was like The Late Show. Wow, that's cool and it's late. But, of course, at any time around the world every day since has been two or three programs called The Late Show. So this is an ABC one. i think there's still a tribute website called champagne comedy if people want to look it up and your reddit username duffel coat supreme is a reference is a joke from graham and the colonel too that was their racehorse

that's right they're very poor performing racehorse they were like they were like these two uh sporting pundits that did like a little comedy routine at the end of every episode of The Late Show. And one of the things they would talk about was the performance of their racehorse, Duffelcoat Supreme. Duffelcoat Supreme, who suffered with gout, which was very mysterious. What a wonderful show. That was probably one of the very first things we bonded on, really. I think we discovered that and fell in love with it and became quite obsessive there we do well to not make too many late show references on this podcast

they sprinkle my like life like in other places i use the references in parenting and conversations at work just for my own amusement like people have no idea what they are but you know just they just appear because they're so ingrained great tv show from the 1990s tim i've got an idea for a podcast which is know, our stock and trade here on the Unmade Podcast. It's based on something that just happened to me last week. So I thought I'd tell you a bit about that. And then tell you about the podcast idea after I regale you with the latest news. Right, okay.

Okay. So I am ashamed to say I was caught by the constabulary exceeding the speed limit on one of the UK motorways. No. Oh, this is disappointing. I got done by a camera. I think I had gone from the normal speed limit into like a lower speed limit zone from a 70 mile zone to a 50 mile zone. And I did not slow my car sufficiently. Are you pleading ignorance?

Like, oh, officer, I didn't know, or is it? I'm not complete. I'm not that aware. I'm not saying I didn't do it. And I'm also don't want to make light of it. I do think it's important to obey speed limits, and I'm actually quite a cautious driver, I would say. I actually am sometimes even mocked in our household for my slow and cautious driving. Really?

So, to have been done speeding, there's a little bit of irony there. But anyway, I hold my hands up, me a culper. But anyway, I hold my hands up, me a culprit. Now, when this happens in the UK, you are fined and you will receive penalty points on your driver's license, which is a bad thing. You receive too many penalty points, you will lose your license. But also, just getting any penalty points on your license can make your insurance premiums go up, which is a very bad thing at the moment because car insurance premiums are insane in the UK. So, one does not want this to happen. But there is an out.

If you haven't been caught speeding in the last few years, which I had not, you can do a speed awareness course where you go along with other naughty people who have been caught speeding and you are trained for several hours about why it's bad to speed. Do you have these in Australia? Is this an option in Australia as well if you're done speeding? Can you do the speed awareness course and then you don't get the fine and don't get the points? Well, I mean, I wouldn't know. No?

I've been driving safely and cautiously on the roads for so long. I wouldn't have it. That's a bit of a porky pie actually i up until recently have been a shocker on this front but i know have never heard about a driver awareness training kind of thing i mean i'm aware of it from television programs and in the zeitgeist you see people being sent to the things like this yeah but i'm not aware of it myself okay operating in australia or i would have taken advantage of it to get rid of my points so in australia if you get done you get done there's no out you can't like that's right i think it's a bit different in every state

but certainly yeah if you get 12 um demerit points they're called you're in big trouble in fact you actually get offered the choice of okay you can lose your license for three months or you can just get one more chance but if you get even one more point or two more points or something then you lose it for a year oh so you're playing russian roulette so i have been on that line really you've got to 12 demerit points i have i have about 15 years ago and and i took it and i was so petrified and i drove so slowly and carefully. Yeah. And then one day I was turning onto South Terrace and I didn't realise that,

unlike the other terraces, which are 60, this one's 50, and I got pulled over and I was like, oh, my life has ended. I've tried so hard. Yeah. And the officer gave it to me and everything. And then I went home and I phoned up to find out, you know, how's this going to work now? And she said, oh, no, you've got no points.

And I'd actually been driving paranoid for so long. All my points, you know, over time, they sort of disappear. They expire. And I was in the clear. I was actually driving around paranoid for no reason. So I immediately started speeding again. That is bad. We do not encourage speeding.

No. Yeah. No, that was a joke Yes That was humour Meanwhile But you were actually arrested And sent off to one of these Of course I wasn't arrested

I was taken in shackles We were all chained together You're lucky you're not put on a boat And sent to Australia Down to the colonies. So, this has happened to me before. Many years ago, I'd done one of these courses before. And it was like, you know, in a conference room in a hotel.

It felt kind of corporate anyway. Right. So, this time I thought, oh, I'm going to have to go off to one of these things again. It wipes out a whole day. But in this modern age, you can now do them. wipes out a whole day but in this modern age you can now do them ironically you can do them via zoom which i which i made a few jokes about uh doing a speed awareness on zoom zoom yeah so uh it's about it was about three hours and i had to log on onto a zoom conference call with about about a dozen other people from various parts of the uk we were all

there in the in the virtual naughty room with a sort of a contractor type guy who's employed to run these courses and you know you do all sorts of interactive activities do you know what the speed limits are on various kinds of roads around the uk it's a bit more complicated than australia i think uh and then you know you've also shown videos and told why speeding is bad and how how x miles per hour can make this much of a difference in your braking distances and the injuries and you can imagine all the different things you go through and what are you going to do to make yourself a better driver and speed less often this three hour epic course I sat through. What do you mean?

Like, it was like you're all in there. Were these three questions just being thrown out? It sounds quite confrontational. Like, you, Brady, what are you going to do now? Well, I wouldn't say it was confrontational. He was like a nice guy. And it was like, you know, it was put in a proactive way. What are some things we could do, you know?

How can we make sure we don't do it again? It was more lovey-dovey than don't you do it again and tell me what you're going to do. So it wasn't like a coach in front of a team at halftime and they've been playing badly and he's just starting to point people out. No. You, Johnson, you're going too fast. I would say it was more.

It wasn't a big guilt trip, was it? It was like... No, no, there was the right balance of guilt trip and being proactive and we would you and it was quite interactive you could call out answers to things or something but also you would uh write things down so you so everyone had to interact so he would say what do you think the speed limit on this road is and you had to write on a piece of paper and hold it up to your camera uh and things like that but it wasn't like shaming you when you got it wrong he was you know you can imagine it was all pretty pretty positive it was it was an interesting

experience the guy doing it i found really interesting too do you remember he hears us going back to our childhood and in jokes from our childhood do you you will remember this because we've joked about it for 20 years since do you remember when a policeman came to our childhood and in jokes from our childhood. You will remember this because we've joked about it for 20 years since. Do you remember when a policeman came to our school for the school assembly and did a- Oh, yeah. Because this is around the time we're first getting our driver's licenses, some of us at school. So, a policeman comes to the school and gave us all a big talk about driving and safety and speed awareness and that sort of stuff. So, this quite stern policeman whose job it was to go around to schools

and talk to kids came. And we, do you remember what our joke about him was? What we called him? Yeah, make no bones. Make no bones. Because he always said make no bones. Make no bones. One of you will die.

That's right. Make no bones. Three of you will be dead by the time you're 20. I think we've even mentioned this before. I feel like I've laughed about him recently. Oh, really? He's a legend in our mind. I don't remember his name.

We just call him Make No Bones. Make No Bones. Make No Bones, yeah. This is serious. So, yeah. So, I would say he took a more of a stick approach than a carrot. He was more, you know, trying to. And that's what I like. I like a bit of a stick approach than a carrot he was more you know trying to and that's what i

like i like a bit of scare tactics which was which was funny because we hadn't actually done any driving yet like that was the time to do the carrot like hey drive safely and have fun but he was coming in with a stick and we hadn't done it we hadn't even got behind the wheel yet i i seem to recall maybe we were shown pictures of crashed vehicles like it was a bit that kind of yeah it was a bit whereas and i that's what i was hoping was going to happen like the first time i did one of these courses i'd been told they show you pictures of crashes and things like that so i was like oh that's that sounds quite interesting quite fun but they don't really do that anymore it's all a bit you know they probably don't want to

traumatize people and they're a bit more cautious about such things now so uh it was quite it was a little bit you know soft touch for my liking mr air crash investigation who likes a bit of you know a bit of action was there a test at the end there was no there was no test you just but what you did have to do was leave your camera on at all times because i think they wanted to make sure you didn't like just like go to sleep or go off and watch tv so he could so we all had cameras on so we could be monitored, that we were paying attention. And you were always having to do things,

like write things on pieces of paper to make sure we were engaged. So in that respect, you had to be present and you had to interact. And you couldn't be driving. Like, just have it on your phone on the dashboard and just be driving along on Zoom. I'll take a call from while you're driving at 90 down the motorway i love it he was but the instructor i think it take don't get me wrong total respect to the instructor right this is a nice man who's earning a living making the the roads safer. He was kind. He has to deal with all sorts of personality types.

He had to deal with my occasional jokes, which were terrible. Joker? No, I tried not to, but at one point I started moving into comedy mode and then I made a joke which I think kind of offended him and then I kind of pulled back a bit. And then I was in kind of sucking up mode for the rest of the course, trying to be the best student to make up for my offensive joke. Doing lots of nodding, were you?

Zoom sucking up involves lots of nodding and serious. And being like, yeah, being the best student. Lots of mmm. I think he made, I think someone made a, I think he made some comment about passengers helping other drivers. And, like, I made some joke, well, you're obviously not married, as if, you know, joking that, you know, my wife badges me when I'm... But I think maybe he wasn't married or recently divorced or something because he seemed really upset by my you're obviously not married sort of joke.

And then I was like, oh, no, I really shouldn't have said that. Oh, that's great. So, I was in total crawling mode after that. It was very poor judgment on my behalf. Anyway, but also the type of person who does that course, there is a kind of David Brent, I'm a chilled out entertainer, comedian type element to them like he they have these like these jokes and these way of talking and this routine that is kind of yeah yeah it's a bit cringy like uh all these jokes you know he's done a thousand times and and they're very safe jokes and they're like yeah it was really like i was hearing someone give a speech once, right?

Actually, it sounds braggy, but it wasn't, at Princeton in the USA at a conference. And a guy was giving a tribute to someone and he was saying, this person always knew how to call a spade a spade or a shovel. And that always annoys me. Like, it's the safest. You know, if you're sort of speaking affectionately about someone saying, oh, they know how to speak, you know, call a spade a spade, but then you can add an extra little comment, which is, or a shovel,

like they really can. But he made it in such a polite way. It's always annoyed me as being, that's the safest. That's like adding a cliche on top of a cliche to make it even worse. I don't know why it annoys me so much. Isn't it contradictingicting yourself because isn't someone calling a spade a shovel the opposite of someone who calls a spade a spade someone who calls a spade a spade is direct and and doesn't like you know someone who calls a spade a shovel you're saying well actually sometimes they were a bit contrary sometimes they would they wouldn't be direct with you and they would be a little bit indirect and so i think that's like a kind of nothing i know i know it sounds like calling a spade a spade is like a straight talker and calling them a shovel is even more straight

talking but of course you're not you're telling something else isn't that the joke they're making isn't the intent of that joke to say they were a direct person but sometimes they weren't haha like we've all had that no he wasn't oh i think he's saying i think he's saying he called it's it's like an exclamation mark calling a spade a spade he always tells the truth he's a straight shooter and especially so he could do it with you know a, a really frank way. He could even swear when he did it or something like that. It's like underscoring how much he could call a spade a spade by calling it a shovel. That's what I think. Anyway, it annoyed me so much because it's just, I don't know, I guess because you can see it coming.

And then he said it. And so it just seemed like the antithesis of whomever the person he was talking about, you know, did. Yeah. The ultimate, you can see the joke coming at formal events like that. And you will have had a lot of experience with this, Tim, is the moment the minister asks at a wedding if anyone has any objections. And the bride and groom look back at the audience and everyone laughs. And there's that, like, is that moment not the same at every single wedding it's such a cliche i don't do that in it's not in our liturgy but i might start including it that sounds like a bit of fun yeah i've seen it i've been at weddings and i've seen it but i've

never heard anyone respond no but everyone always laughs like oh who's gonna who's gonna like it's this like it's this it's this funny moment that has been funny so many times. Surely it's not funny anymore. Surely it's not funny. But it always is. Everyone always laughs and thinks it's an amusing moment. What would be really funny is if someone really did object. Like, just, no, I'm sorry, I object.

That would be gold. It would be so amazing. Oh, gosh, I've never been at a wedding where that happened. Would they really object? Like, I just don't think they're a good match and I don't think they've thought it through. Like don't like they had really sensible reasons to the point where they kind of won over the crowd wouldn't that be awesome everyone's like yeah actually we're not sure this isn't good we've had some reservations too and the bride and groom look at each other

and go have we really thought this through that would be awesome i went to a stag party of a guy who was due to get married a couple of weeks later and then he turned up on his wedding day and the bride didn't turn up and she hadn't even organised the wedding. Like they each had responsibilities organising the wedding. He'd done his bits. She hadn't even done her bits without telling him and had no intention of getting married and then didn't turn up on the day. And like all family turned up and everything.

And that was the day he found out. Oh, that's cruel. It's like she's changed her mind a while ago and then just decided to- I don't know. Bluff it or something. I don't know. She just hadn't confronted the problem. We've just made every engaged guy listening very nervous.

Never can tell. So, anyway, I did my speed awareness course. I haven't got any points. Yes. Not paying a fine. I would have- Yes. I would almost have rather paid the fine because, three hours of your life is like, it's

a really boring three hours, if I'm honest. But I really didn't want those points on my license. So, I did the course and I have been driving carefully since, you know, I've been following my plans. Funnily enough, I heard something this week in relation to driving safely that had a profound effect it had the effect i think your course was supposed to have on you i was i've not been sleeping particularly well last couple of nights and so funnily enough i put on a late at night a documentary about sleep and it's called like the sleep revolution however we all need

more sleep and it's about this sleep sleep revolution however we all need more sleep and it's about this sleep center at university here in adelaide that's doing all this research so i thought oh this will be interesting because sleep's a really interesting kind of topic it's all mysterious and anyway one just one part of it was a conversation talking about the dangers of you know not enough sleep and one of them was on the road with a person who does like car crash investigations and as we as is and the interview is happening while they're driving along and so he's asking these questions and he says that sleep like tiredness contributes more to accidents than like drugs and alcohol and everything else fatigue and fatigue indeed and um it's like oh wow that's

actually quite interesting and then he was talking about know, when you start to feel like you're too tired, you're already too tired. So if am I awake enough to sleep, to drive, if that's entered your mind, you've probably already had a couple of very tiny micro sleeps. And it's so, so dangerous. Now, here's the point that got me. It's bleeding obvious, but i've never thought

of it before he says that he says the reason why we're never a good judge of us our our fatigue is because we're never conscious when we of when we fall asleep falling us we're only conscious of waking up falling asleep is something that that it's like and i was thinking it's like a trap door it just suddenly suddenly it happens you down, you know the moment's getting comfortable, and then it's morning or then it's the middle of the night. We can't consciously observe ourselves going to sleep, so it's always happening unconsciously. And just that very idea made me realise you really can't control

that moment at all. It really is like a trap door that just opens up at a certain time. And that got my attention in relation to driving very acutely. I suddenly thought, my goodness me, and I was thinking about it driving here tonight going, gosh, this is, this, this, I could just fall. I mean, I know we don't just walk around and just suddenly fall asleep. You'd never do anything. I'm not climbing that ladder.

I could fall asleep. I could fall asleep i fell asleep i mean driving tight is incredibly dangerous but you know we've all we've all been a bit tired driving somewhere and thought well i'm not going to pull over i'm only 10 minutes from home and you start doing things like slapping your face and putting the window down to make the car colder and putting the music up loud and stuff but so i think you can do things to mitigate it happening. But you're right, once you got to that point where you're doing that, you really probably should be stopping.

I've stopped and had a sleep in a car park before when I've been really tired. Was this on like a long trip or something? Yeah, it was a longer trip. Let me tell you a cool story about my dad doing that though. My dad for a while was living in new south wales over on the east coast of australia and it was dating i think my mum who was still in adelaide so my dad used to drive between sydney and adelaide a lot which is a very long drive you know a day's drive like a day and a half yeah yeah yeah so on one of these trips he was he decided he was

too tired to be driving so he pulled over in like a lay-by on the side of the road on one of these deserted australian highways and pitched a tent in the lay-by and went to sleep and it's a lay-by like a a place where uh where vehicles pull in like know, usually a gravelly type sort of car parky area. Sorry, that's a British term, isn't it? I don't know. I can't remember what we called them in Australia. These little parts where you can pull up. Just like a toilet pullover sort of place.

Yeah, a place where you pull up. So he pitched a tent and went to sleep. So in the middle of the night, he suddenly needed the toilet. So he got up and walked out into the scrub, into sort of the bushland nearby and was doing a wee. And as he was standing there doing a wee, he was looking back at his tent in the lay-by, just, you know, looking at his tent, doing a wee. And suddenly, this huge lorry, this huge semi-trailer truck pulled in off the highway into the lay-by and ran over the tent that he'd been sleeping in a minute before. And if he hadn't gotten up to take a wee, he would have been run over by the truck.

Oh, my goodness me. Yeah. Crikey. Yeah. That's incredible. Do you remember, was there an explanation from the lottery drivers? Oh, sorry, I didn't see that tent there. I think it was more Dad was stupid to pitch a tent in a lay-by

where any vehicle could pull into myself. I think it was probably more dad in the wrong than the truck driver. But, yeah, the truck driver didn't see it. You know, he just pulled in probably too fast. Obviously, he wasn't looking. The truck driver should have been looking at where he was driving at that speed because he was pulling off the road and parking. But, yeah, didn't see the tent, just ran over the tent and crumpled it

with Dad's sleeping bag and all the gear in it. But Dad was not in the tent. He was having a wee. And I sit here because of that wee. Indeed. You'd think about that every single wee afterwards, wouldn't you? Gosh. I don't think he does.

That's incredible. incredible so my idea for a podcast oh yes yes what time is it my idea for a podcast is called awareness course and each episode you get a bunch of guests who have done something wrong, who have some sort of weakness or deficiency, and you get them onto the podcast as a guest with an expert, and you give them an awareness course as to why they have to be better at this thing, how they have to improve themselves, why it's a problem, ways to improve it. And they can also interact and say why it's a problem for them, Why is this a weakness? So, you could have a tidying the house awareness course where a bunch of messy people who don't keep their house tidy are called in and told why you have to be better at tidying the house. Tidying awareness course. Things you're bad at. They could be serious bad things like speeding they could be trivial fun things like packing the dishwasher stacking the dishwasher

more efficiently and that and you just have awareness courses each episode of the podcast where people are trained and talk to about the things they're not good at and the thing that gives the podcast a bit of a bit of something different is that you have these guests who are like the naughty people like me on the speeding course you have a bunch of them uh who are like the on the naughty step being having their ways corrected yeah you don't just have like an expert who's the telling off you know person but you actually have someone it's a bit of a confessional as well well here's why i do it wrong. Here's, yeah. What awareness course do you need to go on, Tim? Oh, geez, that's a hard question to answer.

Healthy eating awareness course? Proficient in so many areas, yeah. No, healthy. I'm eating a healthy amount of KFC. That would be a good one. I could benefit from that one. Healthy eating, yeah. No, it could be.

What's another one do you know what i i there are there are two different types of people in the world and there are those people whose desktop is clean and i mean their computer desktop and there are other people that have word documents and pdfs and jpegs and all that kind of stuff just piled everywhere distributed everywhere and i you're that person i'm that person i i don't really use my desktop as a thing i look at though my desktop is like like a work like a yeah where you store things obviously it's almost like a clipboard it's like my it's like a it's like where everything gets dumped and then maybe once a year i'll do a big purge but my desktop serves that purpose as a as the i need i i'm going to take the screenshot right now and grab it and then trip it up and turn it into a picture and send it to tim and i do that on the desktop and then i just leave everything behind so yeah yeah the reason that's on my mind

is the other day i did one of those big stock take moments where you just sit on the couch with your laptop and just drag drag drag to the trash and clean it all up and it feels so liberating i'm the worst kind because i think i'm a super organized person and neat but my desktop always has heaps of crap on it but i really don't like it and i'm judging myself for it all the time self-loathing and so self-loathing one of the tricks i've found this could be on the podcast was when you take things like a screenshot you design it so the screenshot doesn't go to the desktop it goes to your downloads folder yeah and that just helps things it's it's that's a bit like sweeping crap behind the door yeah under the bed yeah my downloads folder also is a bit of a wasteland but yeah um yeah nice no so yeah you're right that could be one of the awareness courses uh you know file

management awareness course for people who are better than yeah but i like the idea of each each week it's sort of like a self-help but it's and i mean and there are a million self-help uh and podcasts about you know being more efficient and things like that. But my gimmick would be that it's done in this more people have been brought in. The offenders have been brought in. Like this disparate group of random offenders. Because that's what it was like for me. There was some old man from London and some single mother from Wales.

And we were all like all these weird people. The one thing we had in common is we'd all been caught speeding and this was a convenient time of day for us to do the course. And we were all brought together. And you do learn fragments about the other people from their answers and things they say. And you kind of want to get to know them a bit more, but you don't in the end.

And then as soon as the guy says, okay, you've passed, everyone just leaves straight away. But I think that would give the podcast a bit of a gimmick, a bit of an eye, you know, something a bit different is that you've got the disparate group of offenders talking about why they're offenders and their stories about their wrongdoings to add to the lesson. This is a bit like Gilligan's Island,

a snapshot of all these people thrown together in this situation. Yeah, or lost. Yeah. Or lost. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah. All right. There we go. island a snapshot of all these people thrown together in your situation or lost yeah or lost yeah yeah nice yeah all right there we go awareness course the awareness course podcast something like that parish notices one of my this is one of my favorite parts of the podcast do you know what i have to next time you're in adelaide i'm going to get you to do our church notices. Could I do the parish notices at your church?

Yeah, that'd be so awesome. Oh, my goodness. I would love that. I would love that. They're on a big PowerPoint as well. You know, there's like different images and ads for everything. Oh, I'm going to... I can't wait. That's almost worth flying to Adelaide for on its own.

Let's see. What should we look at here? So, in the last episode, we talked about favourite places. This was a podcast idea from Tim. What were your favourite places when you were a kid and a teenager and an adult? And Tim and I shared our favourite places. Happy places. Happy places.

Sorry. Yes. My mistake. It was happy places. And we've had lots of people get in touch. If you go to our subreddit for the last episode, episode 141, you can read some of them. I'm not going to read them all out now,

but I have read everyone's contributions and I really enjoyed them. Some people went into lots of detail and it was really fun. Thank you for sharing. So do go and have a look at that subreddit for episode 141. But there's a couple I wanted to read out. This one really appealed to me. So it just appealed to me personally. So I wanted to read it.

It comes from Peter in LA. This was an email. My happy place as a child was a room in my house called Tic Tac Room. The room was filled with Lego and I would spend hours in there building and playing. I would build automated candy dispensers, design Lego board games, and organise all my spare bricks. I'm still a big Lego fan today, and I personally love Lego plants, which is a little reference to me saying I didn't like Lego plant models. The Tic Tac Room was also home to our European model train set. The Tic Tac Room was also home to our European model train set. My dad had a modest collection of Marklin trains and tracks that he bought over from Belgium when he moved to the States. And we would spend time together around the holidays building a track or gluing a little model house.

If you're curious, the name Tic Tac is the name of the Belgian children's television show that I would watch as a toddler in that room. It's a bit of an odd show consisting of random music, animations and colours. Although maybe your son will enjoy it. Anyways, the Unmade podcast has brought me lots of joy over the past few years. Thank you for putting so much energy and care into all you do. And that was from Peter in LA. And that room sounds like my dream, full of Lego and a train set. I just bought my son his first train set this week.

And I don't know what he thinks of it, but I'm- No, I do know what he thinks of it. He's loving it. And I'm like, he's loving it more than I thought he would, which has made me so happy. And I'm totally loving it. Designing the tracks and pushing the trains around. Oh, it's-

This is- I've gone a bit early on the train set for his age, but it's because I wanted it so much. Great fun. Some friends of mine had a couple of families on you had a rumpus room, like a play area just for mucking around. Oh, they were so awesome. I can still picture the feeling of being in them now and how cool they were.

Oh, the tic-tac room. Sounds amazing, Peter. And I thought I'd read one other one. This comes from The Banjo Lady, who did contribute this to the Reddit, so you can read it there too. My childhood happy place was our neighbourhood. There was a whole gaggle of kids and we called ourselves the 10th Street Gang. The empty lot next to our house hosted daily afternoon baseball games

or kickball when the little kids showed up. Every summer evening we'd meet there for a game of kick the can, which involved hiding everywhere within a four block range. We'd play until way after dark until Stephen's mother would shout out from her backyard, Stephen! That gave us all about five minutes to show up at home or face the consequences. Then one winter, the happy place became magical when a winter rain flooded the field and froze into a neighbourhood skating rink. My dad installed an outdoor floodlight and we all

skated every evening for weeks. Tell you what, this gave me an idea for a podcast, Tim. Imagine if the banjo lady made a podcast about getting the 10th Street gang back together. Oh, yeah. Imagine lady made a podcast about getting the 10th Street gang back together. Oh, yeah. Imagine that, a podcast where people just get their childhood gang of friends who they haven't seen since they were really little back together. Wouldn't you love that? How much would you love to do that?

Yeah. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah, that would be cool. There's a guy that lived over the back fence from me called Shane, and I haven't seen him since we moved away in 1989 yeah i'd love to see him yeah and i want to see simon again what are you up to simon i still have dreams that simon and i have rekindled our friendship as adults and we catch up and it's like oh it's good to see you and we sort of become friends again and then we don't see each other again for a few years but i remember oh it's okay because i caught up with him a few years ago as an adult. And then I wake up and none of it's true.

I haven't seen Simon since school. What are you up to, Simon? I should do a podcast tracking him down. You track down Shane and Simon, the Shane and Simon podcast where you track down Shane and I track down Simon. Nice. Good idea. Well, yes.

What if they're doing a podcast somewhere? They've somehow hooked up. Awesome. And they're talking about us right now. Oh, too cool. Anyway, this is not Ideas for Podcasts, this is Parish Notices. Let me tell you, I heard from Mike. Mike sent us an email with all sorts of things in it.

He wanted to talk about my half-mast idea, flags at half-mast. And he sent us some photos which i found interesting this is what mike wrote i've seen businesses with their corporate flags at half mast alongside the country flags like national flags see the attached pictures of a subway flag and a mcdonald's flag and he's attached some pictures of these flag poles where they're like a couple of flags side by side like the u.s flag and then the mcdon's flag, just a big red flag with an M on it, a yellow M. Yeah. And they're both at half mast.

And Mike continues, it always looks inappropriate, but a bit darned if you do, darned if you don't. Though I think the best solution would be to just totally lower the corporate flag on those days and avoid it completely. Yes. And I have to say,

it did look really weird seeing the McDonald's flag and the subway flag at half mast. Yes, yes. mast yes like you know like if the president dies or something you don't want to see the mcdonald's flag at half mast no no it's a brand that's right it's not a flag but he's right though because if they do fly their flag and like you know the queen dies and you don't have the mcdonald's flag at half mast it's like at full staff everyone's going to be like disrespect disrespectful so i think he's right i think you have to just take the flag down altogether flag at half mast it's like at full staff everyone's going to be like disrespect disrespectful so i think he's right i think you have to just take the flag down altogether don't they only fly the mackers flag when ronald mcdonald is actually in residence

what are they going to do when he dies i don't know but if but if the hamblar dies, they won't lower it, and then there'll be an outcry out the front. Yeah, the hemp there. Rubble, rubble, rubble. Is stealing of hamburgers punishable by death? I'm not sure, but... Here's another thing Mike included in his email.

Look, thanks for all your content, Mike. Mike says, thanks for your content mike because of course in the last episode we played a zimbabwean advertising jingle and i said if you want to send in catchy advertising jingles you know in the in reminiscent of our sofa shop obsession send them in mike sent one in he wrote here's a catchy jingle from a crummy discount grocery store chain in the u.s that i found myself singing over the years the first time i heard it i thought it was a new pop song it came out in 2010 and was right in line with mainstream pop songs of the time they've even made their own variations on it so here is the advertising jingle for the save a lot discount grocery store chain which mike says is a crummy

discount grocery store chain tim and i pass no judgment because neither of us have shopped there as far as i know It's kind of catchy, but it's got that sort of 15 or so years ago, very produced, you know, dense kind of poppy thing. Yeah. Sort of a bit Bon Jovi-esque, I think, in a way. Yeah. It didn't really sound like a jingle in a lot of ways, did it? No, no, no, no.

Like, I was thinking, oh, that's quite clever how it all rhymes, except when you look, they've actually rhymed the same thing three times in a row. I work hard for my money, so it means a lot. I've got to buy things and don't want to spend a lot. My dollar goes far, but save a lot. You're just rhyming a lot three times in a row. Yeah, but the emphasis is different, so you get away with it.

It sounds like a clever... I'm sure there's some technical name for rhyming the same thing in that way, but using... Yeah, anyway. Where shopping meets a better deal Where prices stretch my dollar bills I work hard for my money so it means a lot I gotta buy things and don't wanna spend a lot

My dollar goes far and save a lot My dollar goes far and save a lot Yeah, yeah, yeah still not it still hasn't got the like spectacular woefulness that the sofa shop has like like the zimbabwean one from last episode in this one like a veering into being good like songs whereas the sofa shop while has while it has merit and craft and skill have gone into the writing and the singing of it it does have this kind of it could only be an advertising jingle yeah i think i i agree there's also a sparseness to a jingle like this was quite dense right jingle sort of has just a real sparseness to it that really you know is open and bright and grabs your attention oh we talked last episode tim about people working out while listening to the podcast oh yeah are you in the gym uh while you listen to the Unmade Podcast? Cohen or Cone, Kern from the Netherlands says,

Hello, Brady and Tim. Recently, you seem surprised to learn that a part of the audience listens to the podcast while working out. You might be interested in an odd phenomenon that occurs to me while doing so. For me, listening to podcasts while working out is quite common, although not in the gym, but outdoors during bike rides. The nature of this type of exercise actually fits quite well with the more steady pace of a podcast instead of upbeat music.

Ah, right. I almost never ride exactly the same route and also take my bike on holidays, so there's a lot of variety. holidays, so there's a lot of variety. Yet once I do revisit a place at a later date, I'm immediately struck with the memory of the exact part of the podcast I was listening to. Even though my memory generally isn't that great, I can sometimes recall the fragment word for word even years later. It's as though you two start talking to me out of nowhere about some random topic. It's a bizarre bizarre experience and it works both ways if i re-listen to old episodes at home i can visualize where i rode at the original time of listening this has become something of a way for me to revisit memories in the same way music can

but more specific either way you have accompanied me during many great adventurous bike rides so thank you. Classic. I can relate to that. I sometimes get that. If I have a particular part of a podcast I was listening to and I'm driving somewhere, like sometimes I then associate the two. Also, sometimes if I'm exercising somewhere, like running somewhere, and I have a really good idea,

I will always associate that place with the idea i had yeah i can't relate to that like the running or the good idea separately or together it does happen but i think there's more i mean i would listen apart from say going to sleep or driving in the car i would listen to a podcast out on a walk and a walk and a ride feels a little bit different that's sort of like a journeying kind of exercise i think what we were imagining is people in the gym going hard in a pilates class or yeah in a sweat class or something or pushing weights and it just doesn't seem like we'd get you amped up but maybe we do maybe we're more inspiring than we realize i also i'm not sure

how safe it is to be wearing headphones while riding a bike oh right yes you know we're very we're very safety conscious tonight aren't we maybe there's going to be a bicycle safety awareness course for cohen coming up sometime we talked about me going to disneyland colin wrote on the reddit we went to Disneyland Paris for our honeymoon. We had a much better time than Brady seemed to. I hope I didn't come across that I didn't have a good time in Disneyland. I know I made a lot of jokes, but I did enjoy it. Anyway, Colin continues, there was one event that went down into family legend. While queuing to see Minnie Mouse, a small child was working his way through the queue,

pushing his way past other people behind us. We could see his parents encouraging him, and it was clearly annoying those who were patiently waiting. He came up behind us, and I put my leg out to block his path. Except, he was a lot closer than I thought, and I kicked him in the shin. Enough to knock him over, and sent him back screaming to his mum and dad at that point minnie's handler called us forward and we had our photos taken and the child was nowhere to be seen but the day colin kicked a child at disneyland is repeated every time we're in a queue although usually without the accidental part it's our 25th wedding anniversary next month and if this story is worth being shared on the

podcast, could you please thank my wife Jenny for 25 years of marriage. So Jenny, thank you for 25 years of marriage. Yes. Not to us, but to Colin. Thank you, Jenny, for 25 years of marriage. Yes. Well done. We really appreciate it. We do. You've been great.

You have. You've been great. And Colin, stop kicking little kids. Yes, indeed. He was a little kid. It it wasn't his fault he didn't know better the queues to see princesses and mickey mouse and stuff at disneyland paris were well over two hours long wow what do you mean to see mickey mouse isn't he just like walking around in the street and stuff or no that's what that's what my wife thought was gonna it was gonna be like but that's not what happens and if you want to get if you want to get like a one-on-one session where you know you go up and have a cuddle and a talk and a nice formal picture with a disney character that's like they're the biggest cues you'll see that's big time wow have you ever been in a queue

and kicked a child uh i was actually at child kicking safety awareness training just last month. Yeah. Like all jokes aside, Tim and I do not condone the kicking of children. No, no indeed. Colin, you should be ashamed of yourself. Absolutely, Colin.

That's right. I can't believe you're still married. That was just a joke. You're a wonderful woman, Jenny. We do appreciate it. Jenny, you're great. Jenny. Jenny. Jenny's 25 it. Jenny, you're great. Jenny.

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I would. First off the bat is Jenny for 25 years of Colin. All right. What have we got, Tim? Who's winning what? All right, the winners tonight. Winning a key ring, a special Unmade Podcast key ring, is Peter from Kewdale in Western Australia.

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Congratulations. Nice part of the world. Nice part of the world, Cumbria. And we have four. Whereabouts in England world cumbria and we have four whereabouts in england is cumbria it's sort of up like sort of lake district sort of up up north north over north um northwest up above liverpool and manchester and that sort of thing above that isn't that just scotland above there no there's more stuff before you get to Scotland, like Cumbria. Right. Nice. I always think of them being on the border, but that's... No, no.

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If you'd like to support us, please keep us in mind. Every little bit helps. Tim, do you have an idea for a podcast oh it's kind of an idea it's something on my mind that i can't resolve and maybe i was thinking my podcast could be about something on your mind that you can't resolve so this is uh the when when i i can't work out if my favourite initial is T or H. Like on Facebook and other places, sometimes you get advertised merch and it says, oh, look, buy this cap here with your initial on it. And I go, oh, that'd be cool.

And I should get it with, and I can never decide whether, like, my logo would be a T or whether it would be an H. Yeah. So if you had like a letterman jacket type thing, would it be a big T on it? That's right. Yeah. So it can't be TH. Obviously you'd go TH if you could have two letters.

Well, that's right. Yes. Yes. Or would you go TJH? TJH, which looks kind of cool as well. When I was in year eight, we were sort of like a um architecture draftsman drawing kind of you know tech studies class and we had to use our initials to come up with like a logo brand kind of idea with you know pencil and ruler all that kind of stuff and i came up with a version

of th that i was never quite happy with it's like it was it was the T. I'm using my hands here, which no one listening can hear, but it's the T, and then the H is kind of laying sideways on top of it so that the crossbar for the T becomes sort of the right-hand side of the H, and then that's above that. And I was never quite... Don't you mean the left-hand side of the H, lying on its side? Oh, well, the right or left. H's are the same up and down.

Oh, yeah, depending on where it's toppled from. That's right, yeah. Yeah. That does sound a bit lame, man. I'm not sure that's the way to go. I know, but do you know, for every now and then, that was in year eight, right? So that's like 1988.

From time to time in the 35 years since, I've thought, what's another way I could have put my two initials to make it look cool? TJ H lends itself well to a good logo because the J drops down below the line in a nice way. That's a nice, they are three nice letters for initials. I'll give you that. Coming back to your conundrum though

about whether you should have a T or an H on your cap. Yeah. I'm going to resolve this for you. I think the answer is simple. It has to be the T. Why? Because if you walked in with a T on your cap, I would go, ah, T, you know, Tim, because you're called Tim.

Yeah. But if you walked in with an H on your cap, I would say to you, why is there an H on your cap? What's the H for? And you'd say, Hein, it's my surname. And I'd go, oh, yeah surname and i'd go oh yeah yeah it is too yeah okay i get it okay but the t i would know straight away what you were doing the h like i don't know because i associate you with the word tim i don't associate you with the

word hein so the h would would throw me same with me you know if i had a cap with a b on it you'd go ah yeah b for brady yeah yeah yeah yeah if i walked in with a B on it, you'd go, ah, yeah. B for Brady. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I walked in with a cap with an H, you'd be confused. I'd be like, why are you wearing my cap? That's true. So I think if you've got one letter, it has to be the T. I'm not sure the T looks as good, though. It sort of works.

I mean, the H has a nice balanced feel to it. You know, it's got the crossbar there and it's got the two pillars and that sort of works well. The T, I know the T is sort of there, but it feels like it's got a bit of emptiness around it. It's a bit sparse. Yeah, I mean, yeah, sorry. That's the letter you're stuck with.

The T-J-H would work. Like if I was getting something embossed on my luggage or something like that, you know, that would work. Yeah. Coming back to your podcast idea, this is a decent idea. Like, you know, solve my problem, resolve my conundrum. I think there are lots of things like it. And you can also have like, you know, court of public opinion.

Here's my dilemma and what do you think I should do? It's a good solid idea. You know, but it's also, but I also enjoy, I enjoy the initials talk. Well, that was, to be honest, I feel quite satisfied. I think you've made a logical point, and I'm actually happier to have that resolved. How about the Rate My Initials podcast where you tell people your initials

and people say what they think? Because we're quite similar, obviously. You're TJH, I'm BJH. You know how there's like a few people with, you know, like Roger Federer and Tiger Woods. They get to that stage of, you know, where they get their logo and they're not just sponsored by, you know, Nike or whatever,

but they have their own version. Like Air Jordan, obviously, is a classic one. But, you know, Roger Federer has that kind of R and Tiger Woods has his TW thing and yeah it's yeah so it's a bit like that it's like oh what would mine be i i wouldn't have it with nike but yeah it's like designing your own cool logo yeah do you know the other time it would be useful is if i opened up a real estate business because you know they always have those sorts of very clever jay hein because there's a famous real estate company in adela they always have those sorts of very clever j hine because

there's a famous real estate company in adelaide called lj hooker so you'd be tj hine tj hine you're the best you're the best lj hooker you're the best do you have any problems that i could resolve for you man what what have you got going on i think for your podcast idea to work, they have to be like personal issues, like not just like questions you have wondering. No. Because just before the podcast started recording, I suddenly was struck by an insane desire to know why joysticks are called joysticks. Oh, yeah.

But I feel like now we're just delving into podcasts about, you know, etymology or unanswered questions. But before you move off it, like, I agree, that's just about trivia. Yeah. Did you work it out? What? Do you know why? I haven't looked it up yet.

Sorry, I don't know. I haven't got the answer. We've got to find that out now, first of all, before we disregard it. No, no, let's frustrate people by not giving them the answer. Why are joysticks called joysticks? Oh, dear. I mean, you know, you could guess that they're a stick. And in early video games, they were said to bring joy to the player of the game, I guess.

Presumably, they're not called that in a plane, though. That's which is they're based on, the idea. They just grab the joystick, you know, in Top Gun. That's not a line line the biggest conundrum i'm facing at the moment and maybe maybe you know the civilians can help with this is what to do with my growing lego collection because i do want to start building lego but it takes a lot of time i'm very busy with work i haven't got time to do it. To really make it viable, it would have to kind of be work. Could I build my Lego in a way that is work?

Could I make videos, podcasts? There's so much Lego content out there already where people show themselves building Legos and things like that. So what is the way I can integrate my desire to start building Lego into work somehow. Is there something people would like to see? Is there an idea that I haven't thought of? I've thought of all the obvious things, but I don't think I could do the obvious ones in a unique way that would be offering something interesting to the world. The only thing about your Lego collection that I'm interested in seeing in relation to work is you making a video of how

many unopened lego boxes you have i think that is yeah but that's just like a one-off that's just like one thing oh here's i actually think you should counterintuitively i don't think it should be anything to do with work at all i think it's something that you should you very soon will have it as a dad thing with edward and it should remain uh the the thing the thing the temptation or the thing that will be important for edward is that your things with him are not commercialized or turned into work and yeah do you know what i mean i think this should you could you could even have a rule going lego anything lego is definitely not work in fact this is just a thing that he and i do that is always just cool and it doesn't doesn't go anywhere else you know what i

mean so that that would be a way to resolve it yeah because he's not far off is he like how many like just a few years and then he can start on the millennium falcon yeah yeah i mean i hope i'm gonna have lots of those things with him anyway. No, indeed. Playing sport and like, you know, playing with the train sets and like, you know, I don't feel like, you know, Lego is my only option there. And, you know, so I'm not. But that is an interesting piece of advice. It's an interesting perspective you bring. And I will throw that into the mix. Are you just itching to play with Lego yourself, though? Is that the thing? You actually just want to do it?

I don't think adult Lego enthusiasts like to call it playing with Lego. I think they like to call it building it or doing it. I don't think they like to call it play, just for the record. But although the word Lego does mean play, I'm aware of that. The Wimbledon champions are playing tennis. It's not derogatory to play something. That's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's using the word play in a different context. I think adult Lego enthusiasts are taking themselves a little bit too seriously. No, I saw a video. There was a video with a famous NFL footballer who's really into Lego. And a journalist asked him about his playing with Lego. And he corrected him and said, I don't play with Lego. You know, I build Legos and I do Legos. I don't play.

He didn't like it. And he's an NFL football player. So, he's a guy who plays sport for a living. So, he thinks it's different. Anyway. I think it's a toy. I think it's a toy. I think Lego is a toy. I don't.

Not in this context. I think it's a toy. If I built the Millennium Falcon, right, and then I got out the little figures and I pretended they were flying and having adventures and things like that, I would then be using it as a toy. Right. But if I just build it for the construction and then display it, I don't think it's a toy.

I think it's a model. And I think a model is different to a toy. A model is different to a toy. I think Lego is a toy depending on how you use it. So I guess you do go to like Toys R Us or Toy World and buy model aeroplanes and build them and glue them and put them together. Do you think model aeroplanes are a toy a toy i think they that's a good point i i guess so because you buy them at a toy store but you also would buy them at a model craft store so they're a piece of you buy a can

of coke at a toy store it doesn't mean it's a toy like toy stores are allowed to sell things that aren't toys i don't know there's something about the fact that it's a ready-made product. It feels too easy to be craft. Have you seen the modern Lego sets? No, I know. But then they have, that's like going to Ikea and going, oh, it's a toy. Because it's, do you know what I mean? Like it's got instructions and you put this. Well, you're arguing against yourself now.

But I think Lego is a toy or not a toy depending on how you choose to engage with it. Yeah. Can it be? I guess it's a craft, isn't it? Like knitting and model aeroplanes and balsa wood and turning a bit of wood. I don't know. It feels different because somehow. I'll have to give it some thought.

Well, it's different because a lot of people use it as a toy. And it can be very toy-like, you know, Duplo Lego and little kids who build it and then pretend to fly the plane and crash them into it, you know. Of course it can be a toy. But then you get these, like, very adult targeted sets that doesn't feel like play. Sitting and constructing, you know, a replica of the Eiffel Tower and then displaying it in your house doesn't feel like play. Sitting and constructing a replica of the Eiffel Tower

and then displaying it in your house doesn't feel like play. It's recreational. It doesn't feel like play or toy, though. It feels different. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being self-important because I like Lego. It's fun. Anyway, coming back to the dilemma.

This is the dilemma. The dilemma is I want to dedicate back to the dilemma, this is the dilemma, is I want to dedicate time to it now, really, but I can't justify it because it would just cripple all my other projects. So, if it doesn't become a work project, if it isn't somehow work, then it's hard to justify the amount of time I want to dedicate to it. It doesn't help that I'm the father of a two-year-old, which also impinges on your time somewhat. You could be like Brickman Brady.

I'd love to hear some ideas. What about a podcast, Tim? You and I just building Lego sets together while we... While you talk? While we talk. Is that interesting? I've obviously thought about that. I don't know. I feel like you need to see what's going on.

Yeah. And there'll be lots of, oh, feel like lego is sufficiently taxing on your brain that you probably couldn't do a podcast at the same time properly it'd be too much like oh can you pass me the red no the red one with the two thick no yeah that no it's behind yeah oh yep and like that's not very fun to listen to there would be a lot of pauses as well of concentration, quietness. That doesn't lend itself well to podcasts. But I could be wrong. How to turn...

That's a conundrum. How do I turn Lego into a podcast or, in your case, a YouTube clip? How do you turn it into... I mean, there's a million examples out there. Yeah. No, a new idea is what we mean yeah of course yeah yeah new or something that plays to my strengths you know some people make these fantastically produced stop motion videos and you know although i'm a video maker

i don't think i'm that good a video maker that i could be in their league and therefore why even do it because people should go and watch those other ones instead so it's got to be something that plays to my strengths. Your niche. Before we finish, Tim, we have an album release. We're releasing a whole album today. We're not really releasing it. We're just the conduit. People may remember we played that song by, was it the Jehovah's Witnesses?

They had this song to help people remember the names of the 12 apostles. It was quite a catchy little song. It was. They were called apostles and there were 12 of them. The joke being Tim couldn't remember the name of the 12 apostles when I quizzed him twice, despite being a man of the cloth who should know the Bible back to front, in my opinion. That's right.

Didn't know the name of the 12 apostles. So we encouraged people to write other songs to help memorise the names of the 12 apostles. We had a few contributions. We had one from a guy named Jay, and he sent us a catchy one. And then he sent us a second one, like a new variation. And we jokingly said, we think you can do better, Jay. Make another one.

And didn't think much more of it. make another one and didn't think much more of it. Little did we know Jay went away and has made a whole album of memorizing the Apostles songs. They're all quite similar in structure, but they're all a little bit different genre. And we're not going to play all these songs to you on the podcast because that's pretty hardcore. There are 12, yeah. There are 12 of them. I missed the symmetry there. That's quite clever. Yeah. He should There were twelve of them. I missed the symmetry there.

That's quite clever. He should have named each one after an apostle. I didn't think of that. Yeah, anyway, there were twelve. We're not going to play them all. But I am going to put all twelve of them together and probably put it on the YouTube channel with some visualization about what each one's about and stuff like that.

Go and have a look. There'll be a link in the description. It'll be on the Unmade Podcast YouTube channel, all 12, back to back as the album. But for people who don't want to do that and just want a little taste, Tim, the music expert of the Unmade Podcast, has listened to the whole album.

And Tim, are there any that particularly caught your ear? Oh, look, there's some lovely work here, Brady. I love that essentially we've been sent to, well, I've been sent to Know Your Apostles awareness training. Yes. Jay's gone to a lot of trouble here to record a magnificent album. I think, firstly, it's been very professionally done, but there are a couple of favourites.

I have to start with number two, Leave You As You Are, which has got sort of a Nick Cave, you know, softer Nick Cave kind of mood to it. Shall we hear a little bit of that one? I made a joke about an album that i would do because i'm bored i guess i'm gonna follow through he did say it was inspired by nick cave i believe yeah even a little bit ben folds five i think as well there's a little bit of that in there because it's quite soft but that's that's good work i did like number four as well which is the

inspired by tenacious d's tribute not the greatest song in the world let's hear a little bit of that one and then there's the first demo version number 12 12, which is because it refers to Pastor Tim and Dr. Harron. But that's a sort of a traditional sounding one. I think it's a version of the cleaned one of the initial one that he sent, which was pretty good. So you've heard that one before, but that sounded a bit cleaner and a little bit better.

Judas James, Bartholomew thomas and sometimes matthias too i also like the slow dance version because there's like um he's he's got the sort of prom night for us it was a um the social every year and there was like a slow dance kind of moment at the social where you could get you know a dance with someone. And that brought back particular memories for me. I liked number six, the instrumental version, although it seems a bit pointless for helping memorise the names of the apostles, but an instrumental based on kind of the main music he uses. And I quite liked the pipe organ one, number seven.

I realised these arrangements won't be done without a version using the pipe organ. Yeah, that was quite different from the others, wasn't it? Yeah. Very clever. We have a very big pipe organ. It's used on a song or two every week um amongst more contemporary sort of stuff and it's very impressive sort of blows your socks off yeah nice work really really quality stuff actually work holds together as an album really well even though it's the same song over and over uh effectively

but it's um all right it's a lovely piece of work jay we really full respect well done lovely work if i had to pick one i'd go with number two number two which is the okay it's called leave you as you are which is a nick cave lyric well we'll play we'll play that one as we finish this episode you can check out the full album in the notes the description and for those of you who are patreon supporters you can now nip over to the request room and you can listen to even more content from tim and i as we are asked various questions including the burning question of who is taller out of tim and brady tim and brady it's lunar new year i'm now faced with a long weekend

I made a joke about an album that I would do Because I'm bored, I guess I'm gonna follow through I guess I'm gonna follow through Peter, Matthew, James and John Jude, Andrew, Philip, Simon Judas, James, Bartholomew Thomas and sometimes Matthias too. Peter, Matthew, James, and John, Jude, Andrew, Philip, Simon, Judas, James, Bartholomew, Thomas, and sometimes Matthias too.