The Unmade Podcast - 19: Old Cassette Tapes

Episode Date: November 14, 2018

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Well, man, here we are back again. Normal episode. Well, we don't want to call it a normal episode, do we? We don't do normal episodes. Every episode is exceptional. Is exceptional. And this one is going to be an even more exceptional gem among the diamonds. Abnormal is the opposite of normal. And is he going to call this an abnormal episode? I don't know. Maybe it will be. Maybe it will be.

Every episode is abnormal. We're unpredictable. We're crazy. Well, how confident do you feel in what you've got? I always feel confident. I'm fine. All right, all right. Well, you kick it off then. All right. My first idea is called National Anthem,

and it is an opportunity to review and discuss the national anthem of all the different countries. So on the surface, that's the idea of my podcast to start with. I have got a deeper idea that makes it even better, but we'll start with that. National anthems. Well, my head is nodding. I think this is a good idea. There's fertile ground. In fact, not only do I think it's got a load of interesting stuff to talk about and explore,

but I think people are largely ignorant of it as well. And yet they'd be fascinated. We all have it in common. Where does it come from? Who wrote it? And all that kind of stuff. They do sometimes seem a bit samey, national anthems. So it'd be a fight against the sameness of national anthems.

But I'm not too worried about that. I think there'll be some funny ones out there, some with weird and strange lyrics and tells you a lot about a country as well a national anthem i think it's a good chance to explore the different countries and things like that so it'd be a good like exploration of the world via the medium of their national anthems so this is a sort of podcast where you can give your opinions do we like it do we not like it but getting in an expert to say or some research and saying well actually this is why it was chosen um like the south african national anthem for instance you know why did mandela choose that one going you know looking at all the tentacles of what led to those words and that tune choosing the tune is an interesting one why that melody and

yeah that's interesting i like this have you got any favorite national anthems or do you not know many of them? I really only know ones that get played at Formula One Grand Prix's a lot and at the Olympics a lot. I have to say, in a strange way, I love the British national anthem, God Save the Queen, and I think I love it because of its simplicity and its directness. It's not trying to be an overly complex fanfare. It is what it is, and it's very straightforward.

There's a tradition, obviously, there's a tradition to all of them. They're national anthems, but there's a timelessness about it and a simplicity. It's a bit like a hymn. So I do like it for that but on the other hand right down the other end of the spectrum is the the united states national anthem which is like a film score in itself it has movements and it rises and falls and and is anthemic and yeah you can i mean that's one where the obviously there's the the lyrics are well chosen and and there's lots to unpack there this would be a headlined episode of your podcast but the um the melody as well just seems to rise and rise and rise and climax and then climax again and i think we've mentioned that even before the obviously there's f-16s that fly over the top at a crucial time

that just seem to explode it. I like the French National Anthem. I think the French one's nice. My wife likes the German National Anthem. I don't know why, she just does. What about the Australian National Anthem? I have to say, she just does. What about the Australian national anthem? I have to say I'm not a big fan of the Australian national anthem. I really find it, I find the lyrics empty.

You know, when I hear them they're familiar and they remind me of home. So they work, but they're so empty and flat. They're sort of descriptive of the geography, but they don't really say anything about the people they don't say anything about the indigenous people and about the long history of the country and all those sorts of things and i think we could do better australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free we've golden soil and wealth for toil our home is girt by sea lots of people lots of people love we have the word girt in our national anthem. There's a two-volume sort of history of Australia that came out a few years ago,

big, thick volume, and it's just called Girt. Nice. I didn't know that. Our land abounds in nature's gifts of beauty rich and rare. In history's page, let every stage advance Australia fair. My wife thinks the Australian National Anthem sounds like the anthem for the holiday venue Kellermans in the film Dirty Dancing. And every time the National Anthem of Australia plays, she'll start singing Kellermans. And every time the Kellermans Anthem

plays, she'll get me to start singing the words to the National Anthem of Australia to it. Yeah, that is fantastic. That is brilliant. Gathermans, we come together, singing all as one. Australians, all let us rejoice, for we are young and free. At Gathermans, our friendships last, for gas the mountains stand. How well do you know the second verse? That's always the one Australians don't know quite so well. Well, being Australian, of course I don't know it. That's the tradition, that we have one but we don't know it.

I have got it next to me but I'm not going to look. I think it's beneath our radiant southern cross. We'll toil with hearts and hands to make this commonwealth of ours renowned among the lands yeah that's right yep i thought there's boundless plains to share or is that that's after that i'm now i'm now cheating now for those who've come across the seas with boundless plains to share with courage let us all combine to advance australia fair i have heard rumors of a of a third verse oh hang on yeah it's i'm looking at this web page now and it says full version and there's like this longer one with lots and lots of verses

that I've never even seen. Oh, gosh. Anyway, there we go. The Kellermans. The Kellermans Anthem slash Australian National Anthem. It's like American Pie. It just keeps going. It's like, oh, yeah, there's another verse.

Oh, yeah, there's another one after this. It just keeps going on. So a fun thing to do, I've called up this website that's got the lyrics to all the national anthems of the world and just choosing random ones and reading their their lyrics like you realize that every country thinks it's a pretty special country yeah so i've just called up randomly i've called up the national anthem of belarus the free wind has sung free songs to thy name. Green woods caught them with friendly voices. The sun called us with its flame to a seed time far famed. The stars poured faith into broken forces. I imagine that's probably a translation from another language, which-

It doesn't rhyme. Yeah, maybe it doesn't quite do it justice when you start translating these things, but it is really good fun reading the lyrics of, and I think that would be a really good fun part of this podcast, would be like the grandioseness of all the lyrics of the national anthems. I have got an idea to take this idea actually a step further, and that is we are in a World Cup year, which, you know, when all the countries come together to play the World Cup,

and national anthems are a very nationalistic country country thing so my idea with this national anthem podcast would be to turn it into like a world cup of national anthems and each episode would have a few of these not just one each episode you would pair up two national anthems and put them like head to head and decide a winner with the loser being out and the winner going forward into a future episode so as the podcast progresses you're like culling away the national anthems like a knockout sports competition going further and further and deeper and deeper until the final episode are the two podcasts that are like still standing and they have like a final playoff to decide what the best national anthem is in the whole world so you're taking something that's really nationalistic

and people take a lot of country pride in and turning it into this big worldwide knockout competition. That would be fantastic. I love that idea. I love it if people could get into the spirit of it, not just voting for their national anthem, but thinking objectively and trying to, you know what I mean, discern. Oh, yeah.

I didn't even think about giving people votes. That's probably not a good idea. Maybe it is. That would be fun. I was thinking just like our judging panel or our hosts would decide. But maybe you're right. Maybe it could be like a public vote. Oh, right.

Yeah. But I imagine it would become a bit like the Eurovision Song Contest if you make a public vote and people will start like, you know, rallying behind certain countries and not making decisions based purely on merit. Right. Yeah. Cool. That is a good idea.

I love that idea. I love the second idea. There is another sort of tangent this could go on as well, because I think most countries have their official national anthem, but they also have sort of their national song, like a song that is the thing they sing in the midst of tragedies or when they're overseas and having a great night with other people from the same country. They have, like, for instance, Australia has Waltzing Matilda. Yes. I mean, it has these other pop songs too,

but Waltzing Matilda is a traditional song written by Banjo Patterson, is it? It was in the running to become our national anthem and it didn't win the vote. And a lot of people still think it should be. That's right. It's sort of, I've heard like a country singer in Australia, I think Slim Dusty, before he performed it saying, all right, let's sing our national anthem. And then, you know, a true national anthem and launches into Waltzing Matilda, which is an interesting piece to choose because it's about a guy that steals a sheep and

then runs away. It's that notion of the Australian underdog. Yeah. And then commits suicide by drowning himself. That's right. That's right. It's peculiar. But I imagine other nations have these as well. Yeah. Songs that just become... Yeah, I mean, England in some ways has Jerusalem. Oh, yeah. It's a song that a lot of, you know, gets sung a lot at big events. Maybe it's about the lyrics and then somehow it's old enough and it gets transferred into something else.

I'd be interested. People can put it in the Reddit what the song is of their particular nation that they think Yeah Like New Zealand has Slice of Heaven by Dave Dobbin That's exactly That is like a New Zealand national anthem If you're with New Zealanders and that song comes on They go crazy

Yeah, yeah That is a great song I love it I don't actually know what the actual New Zealand national anthem is I'm going to look that up Isn't it God Defend New Zealand? I think that's it Here we go

Let's see if you're right. Certainly New Zealand needs all the help it can get. Oh, it looks like you're right here. Yep. God defend New Zealand. And that was written by Neil Finn. Is that right? Jonah Lumu. It's a God of nations at thy feet in the bonds of love we meet. Hear our voices we entreat. God defend our free land. Guard Pacific's triple star from the shafts of strife and war. Make her praises heard afar. God defend New Zealand.

And on and on it goes for quite some time by the looks of it. It also has a Maori version where the words are in maori oh yeah i don't know if it's still the exact same lyrics i don't know what maori like the god of maori people is but anyway i think their national anthem should be the haka it's pretty cool yeah that's a that is a war dance basically yeah all i think all countries are jealous of the haka it's like wish we wish we had something like that. It's so awesome and feels a wonderful sense of connection and belonging and it's intimidating, imposing. That's what it's supposed to be.

Yeah. There is another Australian song called the I Am, You Are, We Are Australian. There's been a bit of a push in the 90s for that to become our national anthem, but it's partly because it talks about the migration, but it also talks about the Indigenous people. But it's a bit thin, really. it's a bit of a poppy song that was made for a tv ad wasn't it so yeah yeah there was i think the big candidate against advanced australia fair during the vote along with walsing matilda there's is there a was there a song called the song of australia yeah the australia song i don't know but it's really i remember looking at this this is going back to

australian studies back at school. I remember talking about flowers and wattles and it was quite flowery. The Song of Australia was written by English-born poet Carolyn Carlton in 1859 for a competition sponsored by the Gola Institute. The music of the song was composed by the German-born Karl Linger. How does it go, man? Give us a read. I'm looking for the lyrics now. Here are the lyrics. There is a land where summer skies are gleaming with a thousand eyes, blending in witching

harmonies, and grassy knoll and forest height are flushing in the rosy light. And all above is azure bright Australia. There is a land where honey flows, where laughing corn luxuriant grows. Land of the myrtle and the rose on hill and plain. The clustering vine is gushing out with purple wine and cups are quaffed in thee and thine, Australia. And on it goes. Wow.

I like that you get to the second verse and we're already boozing on wine. Anyway, there we go. National anthems and then maybe my idea taking it further, a World Cup of national anthems. I think that has merit. I think that could be a lot of fun. It'd be quite long if you did the World Cup. It would take you lots and lots of competitions to whittle it down.

But anyway. And also, you know, national anthems are quite popular on the internet. So I'm sure lots of such analysis kind of programs and things exist, but I'd be up for it. I'd be up for it. I love national anthems, but let's move on to an idea from Tim. Hey everyone. I want to tell you about a fantastic offer at Audible at the moment. Right now for a limited time, you can get three months

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film. And I need to explain the premise first. And the film is called Smoke. And in the film Smoke, which is a 90s film based on or written by Paul Oster. This film, by the way, obviously has had a huge impact on you. Yeah. Because you bring it up all the time. Oh, I do love it. Yeah. Well, the guy who wrote it, Paul Oster, is my favourite author.

And the film stars Harvey Keitel, and I really love it. There's a scene in the film where Harvey Keitel, and I really love it. There's a scene in the film where Harvey Keitel, who owns this little cigarette store in Brooklyn, every morning at 7am, I think it is, he goes out with his camera at the same place on the same corner and at the exact same time takes a photo. And he's been doing this for years and years and years and years. So he has all these albums full of photos of exactly the same spot.

And there's a beautiful scene in the movie where a guy who's a regular customer who lost his wife several years ago is just, they get chatting and he comes around to have a drink at his home and he's looking through them all and he says, but they're all the same. And Oggie says to him, no, it's in the details. I think he says, God is in the details. Look closely. And he realizes, oh, they're all different. Then suddenly he sees just a glimpse of his wife from several years ago walking past at that time. And that's a really beautiful moment. But I love the idea of having a photo on the same place at the same time every day just seeing what's there.

A podcast obviously doesn't lend itself to that kind of visual idea. So, I'm calling this podcast snippet. idea. So I'm calling this podcast snippet. I'm trying to think of a way in which you could grab a snippet of sound from the same place every day and see what conversations you catch midstream. So now this may break some laws. So for instance, because you need to be in a public place and I'm thinking, could you grab a snippet of sound from, you know, 7am to 7.01 on a train in a particular carriage or something and you just grab a snippet of conversation even if it was only 10 seconds or 20 seconds and you grab it every day and you play it and then you talk about what conversation you've caught midstream and so it's a snippet of conversation and you try to say wow i wonder if that is that a person on their mobile phone and

who could they be talking to and what are they saying? And you can just basically have a discussion about the snippet of conversation. There might be a better way of capturing it somehow, but an oral version of that idea of the smoke every day. I like the underlying premise here. I haven't totally figured out how to make it work. Some way of grabbing a snippet of conversation that's regular and then extrapolating out where it could go or what it could mean. I imagine like in the smoke oggy example, there's a strong chance you're going to get things repeating themselves. Like the same person, the same businessman on his way to work with his briefcase will turn up lots of different times in the pictures. I don't know if that's what you're trying to achieve with the podcast or not. If you are trying to achieve it, then it's important to be in the same geographic location and also to be reasonably consistent with

your time. But if you're not too wedded to that, I have like a different idea that is born out of what you just said. And your snippet could not be pinned to a place or a time but pinned to something else arbitrary for example you could call a podcast 38 and every every snippet you get is just in seat 38 and it could be seat 38 on all different trains and sit and then start going to theaters and start going to all and planes and things and just going to seat 38 each time and seeing who's there and what's there and that would be quite a fun podcast with like a random but linked way of choosing the people but it doesn't quite achieve what your idea and the oggy idea achieves because suddenly you're everywhere and you're not getting that consistency of place and the consistency of time. So, it does leave behind something nice about your

idea, but it does give you something new that breaks you free from the constraint of this having to be a sound podcast. Oh, yeah. Well, the thing that I do like about the idea is being in the same place regularly. Right. Because I think it's unusual. While a photo, yeah, sure, a person might be running to catch the same bus at the same time every day they're unlikely to be having the same conversation in the same place every day so if there is a way of at a bus stop or in a place where people are having conversation waiting in line at the same time every day and you could and you could let's say legitimately record the conversation between two people or a person on their phone. And it's just a snippet. And then you try and extrapolate out from that, you know, possible ideas.

And you could make fun of it as well. But there's that regularity that I like. That's the idea. The problem is no one has conversations anymore. They're all just sitting, their head buried in their phones. Yeah, that's right. The old days of people talking at the bus stop were long gone. Yeah, yeah.

So, there's got to be a place where people, where do people have conversations? You overhear conversations still. I mean, a good place is a place where people are forced to have conversations like counters and things like that, where you interact with another person, like at a shop counter, you know, at the local post office or something like that. If you could somehow make that work on a permission level, you know, you're always recording conversation i guess i guess at a post office counter some of the conversations can be quite similar too but yeah you need to be a place where human interaction is forced upon us well a cafe of some kind there could be a table at the cafe and when you go to this particular table you're aware you know this is kind of like you know the podcast table and you might people actually want to sit there and have a conversation hoping that their snippet is grabbed and used.

That's one way of doing it. I mean, you get a bit self-selecting then obviously and you get kind of show off some people who want to be heard, but sometimes they're the best people to have because, you know, they've got interesting things to say and they're not holding back. So, what about the back end of this then? The second part, let's say you get a snippet every day at the same time that's of interest and you hear it for 10 seconds and then you how much is there to talk about it going oh this is interesting that i want you start guessing i wonder if this person has got this going

on or what they said there seems to insinuate that they work in this particular job they sound like they're a lawyer they were referring to a case and you know what i mean and then i guess there's a conversation to be had taking those strands and extrapolating them out and just seeing if there's something, something there to talk about that unpacks. It's kind of like, you know, the, the details thing. This is a tiny detail of all the noise in the world. What can we find in this tiny little detail? That's, that's interesting. That's worth a conversation. I like it. It's funny. I think you're probably going to end up needing more than 10 seconds that's my instinct is you'll need a few minutes at least of conversation to sustain a

podcast but i also do like the challenge of 10 seconds and then your your hosts or your conversation really sort of taking some wild leaps as they extrapolate yeah it could be a minute one minute snippet yeah see where it goes but then you might get too much information. Anyway, there we go. Maybe there's a better idea there in there somewhere and people can go to the Reddit and extrapolate it out. All right. It's interesting to think about whether...

The other thing is to think about yourself being recorded. We recently found some old cassettes laying around at mum's place and we put them in and listened to them. And there's recordings of like my dad and myself put them in and listen to them and there's recordings of like my dad and myself as a kid and all these things from years and years ago. Hey mum how come there's a dead fly in the tape recorder? Oh I don't know. There's a dead fly caught next to the tape. And there's these snippets of conversations and longer conversations. That was beautiful. Yeah that was a lot. And Ben's dress was just layers of cream lace.

It was really lovely. It was just a normal wedding dress. Lovely. Normal wedding dress. No, it was different. No, it was kind of different. She had flowers in her hair. There's once upon a time when it seems like my parents and other relatives,

well before the internet, would record a tape, like a tape letter, like a long talk on a tape, and then they would just post the cassette and then they'd list it in. It sounds charming to do that, but one of the great things about it is that we've still got a few of these laying around with, like, tape letters, and so you put it in and you can hear people's voices who have long passed away. I made a wedding tape I have not done because I've been so busy with the bedroom this week, but I shall do it straight after now, and I will send them straight to Graham or maybe straight a copy to you how did that make you feel was it was it an

entirely good feeling like hearing like for those who don't know tim's tim's dad has passed away like what was it like hearing his voice you say is that just like a wonderful positive experience for you is it in any way negative or no no no, no. It's magnificent. Absolutely brilliant. I'll tell you one thing that's interesting about it is that my dad is Dutch, so he had a very strong Dutch accent. Everyone always said, but I could never hear it because he was my dad. I grew up with it all my life. And so I just could hear my dad saying things. I never heard him. I never heard the accent. Your dad had a very strong accent. We will see what is happening. For now, I do not know what to say and that tape is nearly full. I never thought so.

I could hear him mispronounce words, but he was mispronouncing them, you know, without the accent. It's just that that's the way dad said things. And they were so familiar that I knew he always called things a certain, you know, different word. Having not heard his voice for years and years when i put the tape on and listened i could really hear his accent it really struck me how strong his dutch accent was and isn't that so interesting my my ears my brain is unlearned dad's voice and then i heard it again it was so familiar but it was like wow that's a strong accent well so you can sing on it yourself if you want to sing at home and put a couple of solos on and so this thing is it's very handy was he being recorded in a deliberate way was he talking to the microphone or was it an incidental recording

or no no he was this was one of those um recordings uh to send as a letter to someone i think it was being sent to my grandma and it's so funny they're just chit-chatting about all sorts of stuff like is it formal like a letter does it sound as if like maybe it's being read or is it just some guy meanderingly thinking uh oh by the way by the way another interesting thing is that uh tim learned to walk today or something or is it more like dear dear gladys i hope everything is well over there in amsterdam no no it's very casual. So it's, okay, here we are. And, you know, there's no thought got into what we're going to say. And, you know, and they start talking immediately to details like made scones today. And today I'm doing some ironing. It's just a little raining

outside. So I thought, well, I'll do some ironing. Tim's playing outside with his friend Shane from over the back fence. Removing the sentimental value of being able to hear your dad's voice again and like that it has that preciousness now. Can you imagine what it must have been like just receiving this if they were two friends? Do they seem really like boring and inane or do you think it's something you would have liked receiving at the time or does it seem really kind of awkward and weird now? I think it's more personal than a letter and so it's really wonderful for them to share and hear. It's like a telephone conversation. I guess it's almost exactly like

a telephone conversation. Because on a telephone conversation, you give the big headline news, you say, what else is going on? You go, well, you know, and then you go, what are you doing next week? So, big day, you know, you get down to details. And it's just like that. It's very different when it's one way though, and you're kind of just like guessing at what to say yeah yeah yeah does it sound planned or does it sound really unplanned sounds really unplanned it sounds like let's do this press record okay what should we say now so what i think i thought i'd do is finish this other side i hope you received the wedding tape by now and i just thought i'd let you know what's happened since but of course there's lots of things that is going on and then it says okay

well you know so-and-so's here now they're gonna say hello hello you know okay yes well you know and they kind of repeat some of the things that's been said by the other person. I've already told them that. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Yeah, yeah. Are you on any of them? Like, are there any where your dad says, oh, look, let's get Tim in the room and then you start talking? There is.

There is. The one we found, yeah. So it's my voice as a little kid, which is really amazing. That is really cool. It's both charming and cringeworthy and glorious. You know, it's like, wow. I just done up my skateboard I made it up really cool

I made it into a vision skateboard Do you know what? If you found a big cache of these Because people must have keep caches of them from when this was a thing That in itself would make a great podcast Oh, wow Just re-uploading a bunch of these old letters Like from, you know,

Gerry and Maud in the 1978. The Gerry and Maud letters from 1978 between, you know, Holland and Australia and just, like, listening to them. And if the characters were right, they'd become, like, these cult heroes, like, with these inane conversations about cakes they've baked. You could follow along and there could be Reddits for them. And there'd be, like, characters that you're always whinging about like oh i'll bill at the church he's such a pain in the butt and he always parks in my car park there'd be these like these villains for these inane reasons and oh yes that would be good and

have some giggles and wendy can talk on it and john can say good afternoon you'd be cheering along weeks later, give us more on Bill. What's happening with Bill? Bill's my favourite co-star. Yeah, but there's these third-party people, you know, nothing. Oh, I love the idea of that. It is a bit of a moment in time, isn't it? Because obviously no one does that anymore now.

It's just so ridiculous with iPhones and technology and FaceTime. And obviously there was an era before then when, you know, where the technology wasn't available. The idea of putting a cassette in the mail would have felt indulgent. So there's this sort of, I don't know, 1960s, 70s, probably 1970s, 80s time when that was sort of something that was done. But there's a few of them laying around and they do get a bit dull after a while, after the charm wears off. But perhaps for fresh ears that enjoy it, especially if you edit it down

a little bit and got some interesting parts. That's a good idea. What would you call it? What would that podcast be called? Oh, it'd be called something like The Jerry Tapes or something, wouldn't it? It'd be called The Something Tapes, whoever your characters are. Yeah, yeah. Surely. But when you think about it, it is quite a skill too. Like, imagine if I said to you now, Tim, all right, I want you to record 10 podcast episodes. I'm not here for you to talk to. You're not allowed to write a script or anything and you're not going to be reading it. You just have to waffle for 60 minutes. Yeah. I'd kind of struggle. I'd feel a

little bit like, oh, what do I do? What do I say? What's interesting? Like, it's really hard to just sit here and talk to a microphone about just your life and keep it interesting and engaging. So, there's a real skill to it. If I knew I was recording it for you, in other words, okay, I haven't seen Brady for two years. We've sent a few letters, but now I'm going to tell him what's going on. You could kind of systematically work through your life and give a really comprehensive

amount of detail. But you're right, after about 10 minutes, you'd be going, you really don't need to hear this. Like, what am I telling you this for? But also just telling you what I did this week in kind of a coherent, structured, well-done way without questions and feedback and anything to bounce back on. Even without body language to bounce back on, just someone nodding and going, hmm, yeah, like to kind of shepherd you through your stories, I can imagine is not that easy. It's certainly something I would find difficult. Maybe, I mean, obviously maybe people like your dad found it difficult too

and that's why they're quite boring things to listen to. Yeah, so it may have been difficult, but I guess depending how much you love and miss the person, it's still wonderful to have it at the other end, you know. I wonder if it could be like radio. It's not so much about the information But you just love playing it Like maybe you just play it going to sleep at night Because you love that person

It's comforting to hear their voice And they're so far away You know, so it's sort of ambient noise in a way You just like having them chatting Like some people just love having the TV on in the room Even if they're not watching Because they feel lonely without it This could be something

And yet it's someone that you love and miss and you just play over and over. If your dad was recording this to send to someone else, why have you got the tape? Did he never send this one? No, there's a bit of back and forth. That's not a bad question. So the message will come back on the other side of the same tape or something? Yeah, maybe that's it.

Maybe that's it. There's back and forth. A lot of it was done with my grandma we were living this is when we were living in victoria in near melbourne and and grandma was in adelaide so there was sort of doing back and forward so all of us are on there talking to to grandma so i don't know perhaps there is i haven't listened to them comprehensively enough i haven't done a full transcript yet to work out why that is but perhaps it is record one side turn it over record the other side send it back maybe this one was never sent it was the unsent tape oh the unmade yeah the unmade tape letter yeah genie's dad was leaving as an idea

he pioneered this podcast i love it it is it would be a fun thing to do um I mean, it'd be a good podcast. It'd be a good podcast. One-way conversations that I'm sending to Tim and you're sending back. And, you know, a bit like there's a YouTube channel, the Vlogbrothers kind of do that. These two brothers send four-minute videos to each other where they're just one-way conversations each week. But they're quite pithy and well-edited and quite a bit more polished. But it is like, you know, letting the audience be the voyeurs

in a conversation as it goes back and forward. So there we go. But snippet. Snippet is the original idea. It maybe has some flaws, but maybe a snippet or a section from an old one and then a conversation about what was going on there. I like snippet, but what I really like the idea of is uncovering this treasure trove of someone's audio tapes over

the years we can you know the podcast i haven't i haven't listened to it yet but the podcast my dad wrote a porno where this guy uncovered this romantic erotic novel that his dad wrote years ago and never did anything with or published and and the young friends now are reading through it and having a laugh at what dad wrote all those years ago that's a sort of a similar thing isn't it finding some hidden thing that was never meant to be public and and analyzing it and going through it i think there's a really i don't know it appeals to me and and probably the most interesting part in these recordings would be the incidental things that they say like like oh hang on instead of i'll just turn off the gramophone or i mean this is this is 1978 or something so there's no gramophone.

But it's their incidental mentioning of things that have different names. Or like some pet dog that always walks in the room when it shouldn't and like, go away, Fido, you're in the way again. And Fido becomes this legendary character, this long dead dog that's always interrupting. Come and say goodnight to Aunty Faye. Did you tell Aunty Faye about the lady? Say goodnight to Aunty Faye. Did you tell Aunty Faye about the lady? Say goodnight to Aunty Faye.

Ruff. Quick. Oop. Oop. There we go. So there's a couple of ideas there. Interesting. God bless.

Bye-bye. Tell me what you think of this. All right. Exception to the rule this is a podcast where you talk about something where your opinions or your feelings or your views are pretty you know pretty solid but there is an exception so to come up with a hypothetical example um i love you too and i love all the you too songs but there's one song of theirs I don't like. I don't like Numb or something like that. There's an exception to the rule, the general rule of my life. Numb's a great song.

Well, that was just a made-up one. Oh, okay. All right. Or like probably one that's more applicable to my life is I love watching almost any sport. If I put the TV on and lawn bowls is on or some sport I'm not particularly into, I quite like it. But the exception to the rule is ice hockey. I just can't get into ice hockey. And if I put it on, I'm like, I don't like watching it. It's just a sport that doesn't do it for me. So, that's kind of like my exception to the rule for some reason I can't explain. So,

this podcast would explore people's exception to their rules. The one thing that is a bit of an aberration in their otherwise consistent view in life. I like this idea and I think it has a lot of potential because you can apply it to anything. So many, I mean, you've mentioned sport, you've mentioned music and they're kind of our two favourite things in a way, but it can go out from there into all sorts of fields.

You can talk about places. I love visiting that part of the country, except for driving through that area. Or, you know what I mean? I love this branch of wines, except this one here is just, I don't know what they did there. And away it goes. Have you got any exceptions to the rule you can think of?

This is the hard part. I've just sprung it on you. Let's pause for a moment. I'm trying to think of things that i know you like i know you like uh i mean i don't want to go with music analogies because i will have i could talk about that all day and it'll become a bit more one-sided i guess but i really don't like radio presenters for some reason. Like I'm notorious in my household for moaning about how I don't like this radio presenter or that radio presenter.

So whenever my wife puts on the radio, I'm like, oh, I don't like this guy or I don't like this person because I just, they annoy me after a while. I don't know. I'm probably just like a grumpy old man, but then there'll be one or two radio presenters who I like. And I always make a big deal about it. Like, so if we're in the car and I put on the radio and it's one of those few radio presenters who I have no beef with, I'll be like, oh, I really like, I really like this radio presenter. And I'll like make it, and it's a bit of a joke, joke between us. Yes, I know this is

the one radio presenter you like. Yes, I know you don't like all the others. So your exception to the rule could also perhaps be the one example of something you don't like like oh i don't like jazz music except for some reason i'll tell you a good example i'm not particularly enamored with country music i don't know a lot about it i don't mind it but it's not something i would call myself a fan of yeah and yet quite like garth brooks we've got this history with garth brooks and seen him in concert and i own lots of his albums so he's kind of like an exception to the rule. If someone said to me, Brady, are you a country music fan?

I would say, no, not particularly, but I'm a really big Garth Brooks fan. So he's like my exception to the rule. Oh, that's an interesting way because the exception to the rule isn't just that you love something, but there's one thing you dislike. There's a whole, it can be the exact opposite. A whole lot of things that you don't like. Oh, with the exception of that i have to admit that one is a good one yeah i tell you i have a funny thing with albums that i often don't like the first song on an album so bruce springsteen has an album tunnel of love and i

couldn't even name the first song because i skip it every time and um bob dylan's album oh mercy i always skip the first song which i I think is called Political World. I just don't like it. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have an album called No More Shall We Part. And the first song, I love the album and I really dislike the first song. I don't know why. I tell you what, that's a good example of exceptions, right? Albums you like, but you don't like the first song.

But you could take that and step further again and tell me an album on which you do like the first song. And that's an exception. I usually don't like first songs on albums, but there is this one album where the first song on the album is my all-time favourite. Can you think of an album on which you really love the first song? Oh, well, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have a live album called Live Seeds. It was the first album of theirs I got into. And the first song is called The Mercy Seat, and it's the best song they've ever written and is one of my top three or four favourite songs ever. So that's an exception, Nick Cave's The Mercy Seat. And then it's kind of downhill from there for the rest of the album.

There is a few rules around albums, just to stay on them. This idea that you put the hit single as the first song was sort of big for a while. There's also a theory that says the worst song on the album is the second last song. So it's sort of hidden there before you end, you know, with a bang. So the worst song on the album is often the second last song. What a great podcast that would be, the second last song.

And you just review the second last song on loads and loads of albums based on that theory and see how often it turns out to be true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that. That's a great podcast idea. The second last song. Often the weakest song. The funny thing is, it means that I always look to the second last song to try and see what it is. And my favourite, or one of my favourite albums, coming back to you too, is Ak Tung Baby. And the second last song is Acrobat, which I think is a fantastic song. And everyone's been begging for them to play

it their entire, well, since Aktoong Baby came out. And it's only on this last tour, they've finally played it. It's the one song in their canon that they'd never played live up until that point. Probably because they thought it was weak and a bit hard, but everyone loves it. I love, I'm really, I'm really, I'm obsessed now. I want to go and look at every album that I really like and look what the second to last song on it is. We'll pull up a few. What's your two or three favourite albums and let's look at them. Well, I would have said Uptown Baby actually is my favourite album,

but I wouldn't have known what the second to last song is. What other albums, what other good albums are there that I really like? You like Billy Joel, but he's? Billy Joel's a funny one. He's not really an album guy, is he? I know The Stranger is a classic album, but he's just a big collection of songs guy, isn't he? Yeah. Let me look at some Garth Brooks albums.

let's have a look at in pieces which was one which was garth brooks album when i first got into him i'm not a big fan of him no neither neither am i i it's i'm not a big fan of it but i'm wondering what the second last song is the second last song on in pieces is the night will only know which is actually i quite like that song on that album another exception to my rule is one of my favorite albums automatic for the people by rem where their second last song is night swimming oh that's my favorite rem song that finishes quite strongly that album because i think they're three singles apart from drive the first song this third last song is Man on the Moon probably their biggest um second or third biggest ever hit then Night Swimming and then they finish with Find the River which is probably my favorite R.E.M. song oh that's like such a great album all the way through so strong

Night Swimming deserves a quiet night. You know, when I was at the BBC, I did a special series all about the River Trent, where I went from the source to the sea and did like five reports on the news each night. And I was using music to like, they all had music montages in them, and I was showing the beauty of the river. And in one of them, I used night swimming because I went out on the River Trent at night. And I also used Find the River in the... So I used two of those songs in that series. Oh, that's cool.

Oh, this second last song thing. We must come back to this sometime. This is too interesting. I'm so up for that. It's unbelievable. Music related, I'm so up for it. We'll talk about this another time when we've done a bit more research because I think we could go deep.

I think that's even better than my exception to the rule. But I do think exception to the rule has some potential but maybe we haven't thought it through enough i'm just wondering if it can get past pop culture like consumable things like films and and books and oh yeah i like i like i love ice cream but i hate this flavor of ice cream oh yeah i don't like chocolate ice cream i can't i can't i'm not a big fan of i'd rather not have it ice cream than chocolate ice cream and I can't, I can't, I'm not a big fan of chocolate. I'd rather not have ice cream than chocolate ice cream and I'd have a whole bunch of others. Yeah.

So it could be that. It could be like, just like preferences. I love dogs, but I hate German shepherds. I don't hate German shepherds, by the way. Don't email me if you've got a German shepherd. If you're a German shepherd listening to this, don't attack Brady. Yeah, but like, so it could be that. It could just be, it could just be preferences and think you know i'm such i'm so into this thing but i'm not you know

coming back to ice creams when you go to an ice cream shop do you order the same ice cream flavor every time or do you love looking around going what do i feel like today i like looking around going what do i feel like and then i always always gravitate back to the same few genres. But I'll mix it up. I'm not like I'm a rum and raisin all the way. I'll never have anything else. I will mix it up. Well, I am a rum and raisin.

You're a rum and raisin. Well, I have two flavours, boysenberry and rum and raisin. And if I'm having a two scoop, I'll have one each of those with boysenberry on top and rum and raisin underneath. I don't imagine they mix very well. Well, no, it's like two different worlds and you move from one to the other. Two acts of a great play. What about the barrier, though, where the two meet

and they start merging into one? What's that area like? Is that fun? Is it good to eat through that part? Because you sometimes forget the other one's there, so you're enjoying the boysenberry and then you go, oh, here we go. Here's the main course. This is great.

Move on to the rum. I've had those two flavours as long as I can remember from a child. And I think dad introduced me to rum and raisin and boysenberry. I can't remember where I discovered it, but I remember it was a revelation and it's been with me ever since. Those are my two flavours. Rum and raisin would be a cool nickname too. You're going to start calling me rum and raisin.

Rum and raisin. Where's rum and raisin? Oh, he'll be here in 20 minutes. Mr Rum and Raisin. I'll take it over boysenberry. No, I'd be like, I like honeycomb. I like... Honeycomb's too sweet.

I like light ice creams like you know um ones that are lighter colored normally um but i do like a bit of sweetness and i'm trying to think what else i like like car like caramely flavors there's no real ice cream flavor i really dislike though i don't think i oh coffee flavor but coffee flavor anything doesn't count like because i hate the taste of coffee so i don't like coffee flavored ice cream flavour I really dislike, though. I don't think I... Oh, coffee flavour. But coffee flavour, anything doesn't count, because I hate the taste of coffee. So I don't like coffee flavoured ice cream. But that's not an exception. That's just sticking to my guns as an overall coffee hater.

That's good. We are polar opposites there. Do you like coffee ice cream? I do. Yeah, yeah. Coffee flavoured ice cream. It won't make it into your rum and raisin boysenberry collection, though. No, it's a bit of a backup.

It's sitting on the bench, um it's there to be had i love vanilla as well but i drink so much coffee i just love coffee vanilla ice cream is like a waste of your ice cream allowance though no no no vanilla is a particular taste it's not a neutral it's not like water it's no no true but to me it To me, vanilla is like, that's just like, that's the base upon which you build other flavours and do things. I like vanilla ice cream maybe on my apple pie, but vanilla ice cream on its own is like, it's the ice cream equivalent of water, except with lots of calories. That's right. All right.

How do we get onto that? Oh, that's the exception to the rule yeah you could say you could have your ice cream exceptions yeah yeah i'm just like looking it's like it's like playing ice spire now we're just looking around the house at things oh i like chairs but i don't like i don't like i don't like this kind of chair it's like i don't know any brady's oh but you're an exception to the rule. Yeah, I like all the Bradys I've ever met except you. All right.

Anyway, I think we have... I think people get the idea. So, there we go. Exception to the rule. Let's move on again. Let's move to Tim's final idea. Now, generally, I like Tim's ideas for podcasts. But will this next one be an exception to the rule? Very good. Hi, everyone. Today, I want to tell you about our sponsor, Hover.

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It's a pleasure to be sponsored by them because I really enjoy using their website. Well, it's really funny that my first idea was called Snippet because my second idea is about the names of hairdressers. Ah. That was not planned. I just realized it as I was saying it before. Okay.

As you drive around, as I've been driving around England, this has really struck me as well, how people, the pressure is on to come up with a cute name for your hairdressing salon. Usually involving a terrible pun. That's right. A pun of some kind. And we drove past a couple the other day. And then I said i said oh look

you know i made that point and then you came out with yeah like hair force one which i thought was fantastic but there's a whole range of these and so i'm thinking this this podcast could go to a particular store talk about their name why they came up with that name and then could talk then could go further and talk about the people and how they came to be hairdressed who are you what's your story that That's right. And all those sorts of things. There's a whole, that's kind of the way in to talking to hairdressers. So, to qualify to be on the show, basically, you just have to have an awful name.

And then we'll just do a story about your salon and things like that. That's right. The good thing about this as well is that hairdressers are born talkers. They're basically professional conversationalists. Yeah, yeah, true, true. Yeah, I do like her. And each episode would be the name of that salon. That's right, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. They're also big on misspelling, aren't they? Like, I don't think any hairdressing salon using the word cuts has ever not used a Z instead of the S for cuts. Super cuts and things like that. Let me give you a couple that I've come across. To trim or not to trim. Right.

Live and let die. D-Y. Okay, D-Y, yeah, all right, yeah. All the world's a salon. Much ado for almost nothing. What much ado? Much ado, as in a hairdo. Yeah, for almost nothing. For almost nothing. What much ado? Much ado, as in a hairdo. Yeah, for almost nothing.

For almost nothing. I think you've got to pay a little bit and so forth. Get thee to a blow dryer. These are actual names of salons. They are. They are. Yeah, yeah. And they're all based on like literature references.

I never think of them being that. Let's see. What a... There's also pressure on them sounding like they're almost like nightclubs, like Hair Machine. Yeah. Like it's a place where you're going to go and dance and drink. Do you remember the ad in Adelaide for Hair Machine?

No. It was the worst ad ever. Basically, it was just like a PowerPoint presentation of haircuts they'd done and it had this music going, do-do-do-do-do, Hair Machine, do-do-do-do-do. And it just said Hair Machine like about six times. presentation of haircuts they'd done and it had this music going hair machine and it just said hair machine like about six times hair machine and then at the end like i mixed up at the end salon of the year oh yeah i remember that because they'd won some award likeon of the Year. Oh, yeah, I remember that.

I remember. Because they'd won some award, like Salon of the Year. Like they didn't put a lot of effort into writing the lyrics that the Hair Machine had. It wasn't Salon Song of the Year, definitely. No, no, no. That won't be on YouTube, but if it is, I will absolutely pee my pants. Sherlock Combs.

Jack the Clipper. Jack the Clipper. Scissor Sisters. I guess that's a bit obvious isn't it yeah Curl Up and Die that's got the two puns in it

the curl you know well it's not a pun is it but it's the use of it isn't it yeah Hair Way to Heaven I like ones that just use hair

like because that also not only is it like unfunny and unclever they haven't even showed the creativity to move away from hair that's right yeah yeah yeah the hair up there um one of my favorite ones is the shearing shed which is a particularly australian kind of thing i actually think that's a good name to be honest

but yeah oh all of these are good names they're all genius but best little hair house, hair.com. That's terrible. Oh, dot com, I see. I had comb, I didn't think of that. Hairloom. This is great because you've got people to talk to who love talking and love sharing stories and you can explain how do they get into hairdressing and, you know, how long have they been at the salon? Do they enjoy working there? Their clients, I guess they can't talk about their clients too much, but you know what what i mean because they have different regular clients and conversations that continue on relationships people have a strong relationship with their hairdresser i mean i have had an idea on my list for a while now which is just called hairdresser which is a podcast

recorded in hairdressing chairs where kind of like you know how you get your taxicab confessions sort of things where they record tv shows in taxicabs and that. You could also have one where you just have a permanent podcast. And probably the hairdresser is like your host, is your consistent person. And the clients are the people being interviewed. So, but, and the podcast always carries on for the length of the haircut. So, you kind of get to know someone and have the conversation between them while the haircut's going on. You even hear the snip.

So every podcast almost starts off with, well, what are we having done today? You know, a little bit off the back, oh, I want to change this and that. And then the hairdresser conversation becomes the podcast episode. And, you know, so you've got always new people coming into the chair. You could mix up your hairdressers and things like that. I think that's a good idea. But I think maybe your idea i like your idea better because i like the funniness of the of the names of hairdressers but as you say hairdressers

are professional talkers people usually tend to open up a little bit at the hairdresser as well if they're in a good mood so it is a good place for talking and conversation and that lends itself to a podcast every time i like the idea of doing it with the snip snip in the background and having that conversation. And so it's like you're recording it while you're sitting there and they're talking and explaining your interview. It's a great interview situation. Yeah. One chair interviewing. Yeah.

And you've got like this captive, you've got this captive interviewee and you've got someone who's good at chatting. And you always have your cliche questions. Been on anywhere interesting on your holidays lately or got any holidays coming up? That's all I ever talk about with my hairdresser is what do i want done holidays love island at the moment we always talk about love island luckily hairdressers are almost as much into love island as me does the hair salon you go to have like a ridiculous name or is it just like has it got something quite normal no no it's pretty standard good joint you need to you need to find a better one you need to find one with like a you know zany name i don't think i've ever gone to one with a really bad embarrassing

name but here's a question why do so many of them have those sort of names well i guess that it's a there's a lot of salons and the pressure is on to try and distinguish it from all the others so it's basic marketing how can we be identified as not just, you know, Jeff's hairdressing or something like that? So, yeah, there's just so many. Yeah, you need to stand out. What I would love to see begin is a trend where hairdressers had to have a name like law firms with their surnames. Oh, okay, right.

Jones and Smith. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wouldn't that be awesome? I would definitely go to a hairdresser that had a had a lovely establishment kind of name like that i think that's the direction they should be going to like i want i don't want zaniness in a hairdresser i want like a safe pair of hands someone kind of yeah yeah yeah someone a bit of prestige and things like i'm i'm actually a bit turned off by crazy names. I want my hairdressing salon to be like, you know, Smith & Co. That's right.

You want to trust them, don't you? But obviously I'm in the minority there because the hairdressers go for the crazy names. Well, maybe because people go looking for something zany. And when it comes to our hair, we don't want something zany. We want something, apart from looking a bit like Morrissey, we want it to be pretty conventional and safe, don't we? Naming your business though, like it's inconceivable to me

that these businesses are being named without a lot of consultation, at least of your family and friends. Like, you know, oh, I'm opening a hairdresser. What are you going to call it? Oh, I'm going to call it Hairforce. What do you think? Obviously they're getting feedback,

like people saying, ha ha, that's brilliant. You should call it that. Like, are people just being polite and saying, yeah, that's a good name. And then behind their back thinking, that's brilliant you should call it that or like like are people just being polite and saying yeah that's a good name and then behind their back thinking that's crazy or like you think they're getting told yeah it's it's a good idea i don't know but i do know that the when they go to register the name they're going to be denied a name that's too similar to anyone else so maybe they do go in with their cool name and they say, no, there's already a hair machine. So you need to go away and, you know, come up with something else. And so they keep thinking and thinking to, you know, there's, it's a bit like registering a

racehorse. This is why you get crazy racehorses. There's so many racehorses and they can't all just be called Farlap. So the pressure's on to come up with more and more zany and interesting names. Bangs for the memories. Clippity-doo-dah. Clippity-doo-dah. Every day going to work at Clippity-doo-dah. Walking, look at the sign. Yep.

Comb as you are. Oh, yeah. Die hard. Well, if you want to go to our subreddit and tell us the name of the hairdresser where you have your locks cared for. Oh, locks. There must be something in locks. All right. It's that part of the show where we discuss an idea coming from one of our Patreon supporters.

You can go to patreon.com slash unmade FM to become one of our Patreon supporters and support the show. And that will also give you the keys to the kingdom, the ability to send us one of your ideas to be discussed here. Like Chase. Chase is a listener to the show. I actually have very bad memories of the name Chase, by the way. Why is that? Well, it's a bit of a long story but when i was when i was in high school my school had a really bad soccer team like we weren't good we were like a low low division right this isn't our school not as bad as the team you and i were in no that was a whole level of bad this was like this was before we went to school together the school before that we had like a we had an average team and we were in like one of the lower divisions among schools but then one year these two new uh boys came to our school who were like superstar players

right but we were still in the low division so every every week we would win like 20 nil we would we were in the we were in the wrong division all of a sudden we were like this super team but there were there was the higher division where all the good schools were and we never played against them and the only time you played against them was in like the fa cup there was the higher division where all the good schools were and we never played against them. And the only time you played against them was in like the FA Cup. There was an FA Cup among schools, which is a knockout competition that all the schools go in. And normally all the rubbish schools get knocked out early and then you have the final.

And because we had this super team, we went all the way to the FA Cup final. We made it to the final against the other school that was the best school team in the whole state. And it was played at the old High Marsh stadium like on where like the big adult teams played it was like a massive honor for us under lights to play against this team we couldn't believe it we were these huge underdogs and the other team had this had this the best player in the state and his name was chase i remember i remember him well and we're like he was like this to be feared player and anyway we like um we put up this really brave performance in the final this underdog team from the lower division

and they were like they were really good as well and then it was the only time you would ever play a full-length soccer match they decided to make it like a 90-minute match so our poor little legs were like really struggling to play this like 90-minute match at Heimark Stadium and then unbelievably it was nil-nil at full time and it went to extra time so we had to play this like 90 minute match behind my stadium. And then unbelievably, it was nil-nil at full time and it went to extra time. So we had to play like another 30 minutes, these like poor kids on this adult size soccer pitch. And then one minute before the end,

it was going to go to like penalty shootouts, which would have been absolutely terrifying. But one minute before the end of the match, one of their players had a shot and he hit our goalkeeper who had an unbelievable game, pulled off this amazing diving save and pushed it against the post and then just rolled back out and onto the field and the evil chase was there waiting for it and he like tapped in this easy goal and they won the game one minute before the end and i still remember him turning around with this look of glee on his face having won the game in the last minute of

extra time and we were like all dejected and our little underdog team missed out on the FA Cup final because of Chase. Because of you, Chase. How did you know his name? Because he was just like the good player. And because the good players we had in our team probably associated with him in like proper soccer circles away from school soccer because these guys also all played club soccer.

So they would have known Chase through that. But he was like, you know, he was like the legend so and when you play like school sports you know who the best players are on the other team you do you tend to not know anyone's name except one player on the other team who's talked about and yeah legendary anyway sorry chase i'm sure you i'm sure i'm sure the actual soccer chase was a really nice guy too but i'm sure our chase is also nice chase is from the great state of Minnesota. His words, not mine. I'm currently going to school for my criminal justice degree and he hopes to become a police

officer. Cool. His hobby is beekeeping and his podcast idea. He actually has two, but we'll just go with this first one. And his podcast idea, unsurprisinglyprisingly is a bee related podcast talking about everything bees how to raise them what to look for when inspecting news around them things like that bee news that's like that's like his thing would you listen to a bee podcast is it is it bee news is that his is that the name no yeah he hasn't given it a name obviously it's going to be called the hive

or something like that isn't it yeah yeah yeah i probably wouldn't i haven't got that big a passion but i do i am fascinated by beekeeping i went to a place on kangaroo island which is off the state of south australia on a holiday and there's a special bee place and you could buy honeycomb and um gosh it's so delicious and i love honey um and it is it is always interesting you know i would watch a documentary on beekeeping it's so interesting i don't know if i'd listen to a podcast again and again and again but um i would probably listen to it once if someone said hey this is a great episode listen to this you're fascinated by beekeeping i am this is guy where where i sometimes go and work in san francisco like the guy who's in charge of building management and accounts is in his spare time a beekeeper and

i've i know that about him now and i really whenever i get him like in the coffee room i'll corner him for like 40 minutes and just ask him loads of questions about bees and beekeeping and it's so fascinating how it all works with the queen and how hives work over the winter and how the queen moves around the hive over time and how all the drones work and who dies and who lives and it's like it's really dramatic and interesting beekeeping and i think i'll probably i'd listen to a podcast about it i know a guy that makes youtube videos about them that are quite interesting but i can imagine it could be pretty cool and you could have some nice sounds and get this real nice atmospheric

feel of some man or woman out at the hives and taking out all the bits and pieces. Can I ask you a question about it then? You know how there's, I know that there's like one queen in the hive. Does that mean she's the only female and all the other bees are male? Yeah, well, are there drones as well that aren't male or female? I don't know. But there are like, there is definitely only one female. So, is it sort of like a 1 to 1,000 ratio of male to female in the B world? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I did know.

I did know when I spoke to Arthur about it, but now it's all just fallen out of my head. Because we haven't got the podcast. We haven't got Chase's podcast to refer to. Chase, you need to get onto that as the episode number one. Yeah. How many males? Are all the non-Queens males?

Or can you be like a like just like a nothing like i don't know well sort of the opposite of in in with hens and chooks so you have all these females and then you kind of own one rooster but all these other hens and it's almost like there's a um you know one to five ratio of um male to female but the other way around i know there's also a lot of very interesting stuff to do with like warmth and like generating warmth in the winter and moving around and eating all the stuff you've stored during the summer to eat through the winter to get the queen through the winter and and like the little the little bowl that's got the queen in it surrounded by other bees who are all vibrating to keep her warm and eating all her stuff, all her food through the winter moves around the hive,

like this big, um, the bowl and a little journey going through and eating everything up. And you can always, so in the winter you'll open up your hive and look where the, I don't know what the proper name for it is, but where the little queen bowl is at the moment and stuff. So let me just ask a few naive questions about it then. How long does it take to make the honey? Like if I go and it's empty and then we've got a whole lot of bees in a hive, do you come back like in a day or is it like a month? How often is honey made? I don't know.

These are good questions to which I don't know the answer. Yeah, how quick does it replenish when you like – are they angry when you steal all their honey? Or is that like – Bees seem like they're angry, like they're a threat. Yeah, but bees are always angry. Bees are like, they're just angry dudes, aren't they? You know, when you're at a picnic and someone spots a bee,

it's like a nuclear siren goes off. There's a bee, everybody, everybody, and everyone stops. Siren goes off, police are called. You think it's bad in australia you see what happens when an english person sees a bee or a spider that's like oh really yeah that's like that's like nuclear meltdown that is like yeah english people freak out about insects and spiders the way that make australians don't that's true in fact while i've been here in england and i have conversations with shopkeepers and different people including a hairdresser the other day

we're not gonna kick her. And they talk about Australia. What they bring up is, oh, I couldn't go to Australia. I'd be too worried I'd get killed. And it's all the natural, not natural disasters, but, you know, sharks and spiders. Nature, yeah. It's the wildlife, yeah. English people are absolutely terrified of Australian wildlife.

I don't know. I don't know. We've obviously got some PR problems because people always say to me like you know do you feel scared when you're there and i'm like i don't even you don't even like see it you don't think about it although although a few months ago i saw a redback spider i picked up a piece of wood and i just had a sixth sense to turn it over just to check when you pick something up and um yeah and there was a redback spider there which i was like oh there it is what did you do i killed it yeah i had to put the wood on another pile to use it and so yeah i killed it um but i do like i check by gumboots or wellingtons as they're called in

england i i you know give them a quick bang and then you know turn them upside down just in case there's a spider and then foolishly often you know then you put your hand in just to sort of brush out anything which is just basically saying here's sting me. And then foolishly often, you know, then you put your hand in just to sort of brush out anything, which is just basically saying, here, sting me on the hand instead of, bite me on the hand instead of on the foot. Yeah. All right.

There we go. Bees, the Bee Podcast with Chase. Thanks for getting in touch, Chase, and good luck in your ongoing quest to become a policeman. Did Chase say that he has bees or he's just interested in bees? Yeah, he's got bees. He's a beekeeper. He supplies a picture of himself.

He supplied a picture, which is his Christmas card he sent this year, and it's him holding in his hands, like, it looks like several hundred bees, like they're just all there. Oh, wow. He's got, like, a handful of bees, and that's Chase's Christmas card. That's incredible. Look, he's got them in his hand. He has. There we go. He's also got quite a beard on him, Chase, but I think that's Chase's Christmas card. That's incredible. Look, he's got them in his hand. Yes.

There we go. He's also got quite a beard on him, Chase, but I think that's a real beard. It's not one of those, you know, bee beards that people have. That would be even more awesome. They're people who, what do they do? I think they must have to hang a queen on their neck

to make all the bees go there and form that bee beard. But Chase just has a real impressive beard and a handful of bees. Oh, wow. Thanks for being a Patreon supporter. Good luck with the bees. I wonder if, like, so many people who keep bees, he makes bad bee puns. Like, oh, be-have. He calls everyone honey.

Yeah, that's right. He could start a hair salon