The Unmade Podcast - 22: The Omelette Space

Episode Date: January 28, 2019

Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to https://www.hover.com/Unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout. Check us out on iTunes and elsewhere... Details here: https://www.unmade.fm/how-to-listen/ Tim and Brady discuss skating, snow, words that we hate, missed moments, mountaineering, and running. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Unmade_Podcast/ USEFUL LINKS Mount Thebarton vintage TV ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us_1K_Ofsgw 28 Gross Words: https://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/09/moist-and-28-other-gross-sounding-english-words-that-everyone-hates/ Man Cave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_cave Royal Barge Procession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Barge_Procession John Hewson’s 1992 Budget Response Speech - yes, it is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnctT-PbYy4 Official I Wasn’t There Hewson T-Shirt: https://teespring.com/i-wasnt-there-hewson

so tim we've had an offer from a guy named alistair that lives in the uk you remember in that episode we did with hank last episode i mentioned that i'm not good at roller skating oh yeah yeah yeah alistair says i'm a uk sport level two qualified roller skating coach and would love to give brady skating lessons i'd be happy for these lessons to become part of a future unmade podcast wow and would not charge for them or ask for any other recompense. My coaching experience includes enabling many people of all ages and fitness levels to go from unable to stand on skates to skating competitively. Man. I'm happy to travel to Bristol to all. Wow.

He's going all out. That's incredible. What do you reckon? Hang on. I'm just turning my air conditioner off. Sorry. Is you turning the air conditioner off. Sorry. Is you turning the air conditioner off got anything? Has that got anything to do with the roller skating or it's unrelated? That's right. It's just like I was getting so excited. Are you a good roller skater, Tim? Look, I can roller skate.

And I did it. I had roller skates when I was a kid. I went to our local YMCA and went round and round and around the streets and stuff i wouldn't say i'm a really good roller skater because i know some people can you know they play roller skate versions of hockey i'm certainly not a level two although i i i want to know is a level two you know like just down from one which means you know level one is the highest or is level two just up from one which means this guy now has nine more levels to you know what i mean like is it yeah it's hard to know how level two you know he could he could be level two but you've got to be level 10 before you can stand up or something you know yeah they should have belts like if he said he was a black belt roller skater we'd know

exactly what he meant yeah even brown belt i figure is it's it's the next one down they're all confusing after that except if he was white yeah, we know what that means too. All I know is, yeah, white and yellow are not very good. But, yeah, and black is obviously good. And you also can get little things on the tip of the belt, can't you? Like you can be yellow with blue tips or something. I don't know. You never did martial arts, did you?

I didn't, no. No, me neither. I used to tell my friends I did, but I didn't actually. I think when the Karate Kid came out in the 80s, everyone sort of said they were into it and wore headbands and so forth, or wanted to be in it. You kind of feel like you're only a couple of lessons away from being able to win a fight against some sort of street gang at some stage. But yes, I know it's a very dedicated sport, but not unlike roller skating. I don't think it should be black belts and things like that, though. Maybe it should be wheels. Like I'm a black wheel, black wheeled roller skater. Whoa. And like you have different colour wheels

on your skates, depending on how good you are. Would black be the best or would black, we just start off with black and work your way up to pink? No, black would obviously be the best. Oh, right. Okay. Don't be silly. Black would obviously be the best. Oh, right. Okay.

Don't be silly. Sorry. Sorry. I don't mean to be silly about it. I had a reason recently to go roller skating again at one of my kids' friends' parties. And, you know, the parents were invited to have a bit of a roller skate too. And I hadn't done it for a long time. And I had a roller skate. And, well, it all came back to me.

It was- Really? The skills were still there. I was able, I didn't fall over. I was a bit tenuous at first. The main difference was the agony my shins were in the next day and the muscles in the back and all that kind of stuff. Really? Just from like holding your body tense, trying to stay up? Yeah. It's a weird angle. You're sort of leaning forward, but you're very tense and, you know, in a way that I never have reason to be in any other situation, really.

Can you ice skate or can you ski? No, no. I've never been skiing, so I don't know how to do that at all. I have been ice skating at the, you know, the Adelaide Mount Theberton place here, this famous ice skating rink in Adelaide. Famous. Famous to people in Adelaide. It's the only ice skating skating ring in Adelaide. Famous. Famous to people in Adelaide. It's the only ice skating ring in Adelaide. And I was bad at it. Oh my God, you've been to Mount Febbiton. I've summited Mount Febbiton three times. I wonder if some people are so bad they

don't reach the summit of Mount Febbiton, even though it's only this far. Like, I only got to base camp, which is just the foyer where the arcade games are. Go to Bogarty and Mount Thibodian. They're steerable, stoppable, and you can go like the clappers down the world's biggest indoor real snowfield. Really nice Mount Thibodian. Mount Thibodian not being a mountain of any sort. It's just like a big, basically huge shed with a very slight artificial snow ramp in it.

Yeah, well, and there's also ten good steps to get in there. Yeah. You put your ice skates on after that, obviously. That's true, yeah. Yeah, well, are you going to take him up on the offer? Oh, look, probably not. Okay, well, that's the end of that then. Yeah, but I'll hang on to your email, Alistair,

because who knows, one day for some other video or project I'm doing, I might need, you know, roller skating expertise, and you'll be my man. Yeah, yeah, video footage of you roller skating would be hot internet property, I'm imagining. Well, there's video footage of me ice skating, because I made a video for the BBC about how bad I am at ice skating. It was quite... I personally think it was absolutely hilarious.

But my best ice skating memory was actually at Mount Thabiton. It's nowhere nice, ski and skate Slipless island, it's a fucking ride Go swimming on the mountain Because you know how there was like a, there's like an inner rink and then there's like an outer track around the inner rink. Like, I guess they could use it for racing and stuff like that. But lots of people would skate around that kind of big oval track. And on one of the bends, on one of the the corners there was this area of ice that had melted a little bit so it was like this huge sort of puddle most people were skating around or you

could skate through it because it was just like a film of water and there was still ice underneath and there was this huge group of kids that was sitting on the wall there at that bend just watching people skate i think they were waiting for people to fall over in the water and i came wobbling around the corner and thought i'll be able to get through that water to the other side so i kept skating through it and then had the most spectacular crash landed flat on my back in like an inch or two of water so every everything i was wearing all my clothes my jumper my jeans everything just got absolutely saturated through with cold water. And this group of 10 to 15 kids were just pissing themselves laughing at me as I lay in the water.

And I was like, I was mortified with embarrassment. I was only, you know, 12 or 13 at the time. And it's a moment of embarrassment that lives with me to this day. I'll tell you what was good at Mount Theban is they had a nice warm area, like a special warm, where you could get some chips and like a hot chocolate or something like that. And that was really cosy and nice to go to. In fact, it would be worth going to Mount Theban, not to go anywhere near the ice or the cold stuff, but just to go to that nice warm little area, which is just to get some chips and just sit there. It's just like a nice place to go. It's all about the chips.

Unrelated to any ice skating whatsoever. Tim's been to the Winter Olympics four times. Oh, no, he doesn't compete. He just likes the chips. Just likes... That's right. I'm always cheering for different nations to get it based on the quality of their chips, their hot chips.

You've been travelling loads since we last spoke. Travelling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been just camping and travelling around Australia. Hasn't it been like a record heatwave in Australia? Have you been like dying? Well, we've largely escaped it because we've been in other states until the last day travelling home.

It was, what's that, 40, I think the record hit in Adelaide, a new record for any capital, which was like 40, this is centigrade, 46.2 or something like that. Crazy. Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, that's crazy weather. And you were driving through outback South Australia during all that? Yeah, yeah, we were driving.

Well, when you drive back into South Australia, you're going through effective, it's not quite, well, it is kind of outback, but it's hot. But look, we were comfortable. We were in the car. The air conditioning was blaring. We were just listening to podcasts and a bit of music. And, you know, you generally, you are going, wow, it's really hot outside. Really glad we're not outside.

It's actually a reasonably comfortable place. If you've got to be anywhere on a really hot day, you know, being in a car is not a bad place if you've got a good air conditioner. So, but yeah, at one stage, like the little dial that says the temperature outside said 47. So I didn't want to break down anywhere or and going to pump petrol you know going to get the petrol and whatever you you know doing it reasonably quick and stopping up on the drinks and stuff i think anyone who has friends who are australian at the moment they find that their facebook and instagram and twitter feeds are just full of photos of people's car thermometers i know yeah oh look it's 47 i know and everyone's doing it and everyone's in the same

city so it's like oh really what's it like where you are it's like well you're about 12 kilometers away so it's not all actually it's raining where we are i i had that thought you know how there's the the film fight club and the first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club there should be like hot day club and the first rule of hot day club is you don how there's the film Fight Club and the first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club? There should be like Hot Day Club. And the first rule of Hot Day Club is you don't talk about the fact that it's Hot Day Club. It's just like we don't want to talk about the heat. There is one thing more powerful than that. And you probably won't appreciate this as much because, you know, you live in Adelaide.

And that is humans are completely unable to not share with others when it snows. Oh, right. Like, even if I look out the window and there's just a few flicks of snow in the air that aren't even settling on the ground, straight away the phone's out texting my wife, snow, snow. Oh, wow. There's snow. And it's a huge human thing when they... Unless you live in, like I guess, Scandinavia.

If you live anywhere where there's not like permanent snow, the human compulsion to tell others when they see snow is impossible to suppress. And it's, it does it feel magical? Is that why it is? It's just something special or? I don't know. Yeah, I guess it does. I guess there's something about it that humans can't help. They just like seeing snow. Even if you're driving past a mountain range and you see a bit of snow at the top of the mountains. Look, up there, look, look, seey Christmas, and I've only got vague memories of that being so young.

Where I grew up, there wasn't snow, but there were mountains nearby with snow, and so we'd go up there and toboggan and stuff like that. So you'd drive up and whatnot. But I've never lived in a city where it suddenly appears on your driveway, which must be, you know, like I've only ever been to New York and to Europe in summer since then. So it must be magical to suddenly go, here it is, here it is, it's arrived. And it's not guaranteed either, mostly in England, is it?

It often doesn't happen. Is that right? Most years it will snow a few times, depending on where you live. I mean, Scotland, you're guaranteed snow. It will snow a few days a year at least. Tim, this is a podcast idea. How about a podcast called snow and just every episode's about snow and here's a gimmick for it you know how eskimos have 50

different words for snow every episode title is one of those different words do you know any of them or are you doing some quick google do you not know that i speak Eskimo? Hang on. A roller skating Eskimo speaker. Eskimo languages Yupik and Inuit have an unusually large number of words for snow. First, loosely attributed to the work of anthropologist Franz Bose. It's become a cliche often used to support controversial linguistic relativity hypothesis. Where's a list of these words? I don't know what the actual podcast itself will be about studies of sami languages of norway sweden and finland conclude that languages have anywhere from 180 snow and ice related words and as many as 300 different words for types of snow

tracks in snow and conditions of the use of snow that is quite incredible but it makes a lot of sense as soon as you think about it for longer than 10 seconds. I was hoping for the list, but there are classifications of snow. Oh, I'm going down a Wikipedia hole live on the show here, which is probably not great. I think this would be a good podcast. I think this would be a good going to sleep podcast. Tell me more about it. What happens in this episode or in this podcast? I don't know.

I just thought of it then. But it could be people's telling their stories of their interactions with snow So it could be people who've never seen snow People whose job it is to work with snow You could have mountaineers That's true You could have special guests as well People who, like Santa Claus for instance That'd be

People who have a lot of experience That'd be a big get I've been negotiating with this agent for months We finally got him on the show. Yeah, I like that. Snowcast. The Snowcast. Basically, it's just an excuse to have the 50 different titles of episodes.

Right. You need more to it than that. But I think, does your whole life change when the snow arrives? It must be like you're sitting around in board shorts and a T-shirt, you know, and then suddenly it's like, well, it's snowing, it's snowing, and everything goes away and different cutlery and crockery and a different car and, you know what I mean? Like you must have jackets and suddenly everything's,

the conditions for dealing with there being snow everywhere outside and not having snow outside must be dramatic. Binary, totally. I remember one day I was living in Nottingham and it snowed really, really heavily. And it caused chaos. People couldn't get to work because people in England don't have snow tyres or chains on their tyres. And the snow was really, really thick and unexpected. And the roads weren't properly gritted for it.

So, it caught everyone unawares and it caused absolute chaos in the city. And I was working at the BBC at the time as like a video journalist and I called in to the boss because I wasn't going to be able to drive to work, but I was only 20, 30 minute walk from the BBC so I could walk to work. So, I called up the boss and I said, I'm going to walk into work. And I had my camera with me at home. So, I said, I'm just going to record my walk to work and all the things I see along the way. So, I, you know, put my warm clothes on and my boots and got my camera and just walked out the front door. And like on my street, there

were cars sort of slip sliding around as they tried to drive on roads they shouldn't be driving on. Cars were just like, it was like they were aquaplaning along the road. All sorts of problems people were having. And there were kids that couldn't go to school making snow angels. And there were people playing and building snowmen. And other people were dealing with issues and problems and trying to clear snow off things. And I just made the story of my walk to work and all the people I met along the way that I spoke to. And it was just like a

fun story. I got to work and the video edited itself. Like it's only like three or four minutes for the news. And because it was all in sequence and everything was so, all the footage was so amazing and I had everything I needed. It took me like half an hour to edit together this piece. So I'd been at work. I got to work at nine. I had it all finished by about 9.30, 9.40. I called over the boss and said, do you want to come and have a look? And he watched it and he said, oh, it's wonderful.

Lovely. I'm going to put that on the news tonight. Perfect piece to show what the snow was like in Nottingham. And then he said, well, I guess you can go home then. So I was like in Nottingham. And then he said, well, I guess you can go home then. That's great. So, I was like, okay. So, like my walk to work was my entire day at work basically. That's great.

My commute to work became my job for the day. And then I just like went home, built snowmen. That would be part of my snow story on the Snowcast. That's a good story. That's good. Have you got any more like that? I've got lots of snow stories. It's cool. I think people would like, it's one of those things you'd want to have a guess because lots of people would have snow stories like that, wouldn't they?

Oh yeah. It couldn't just be the same two guys talking about snow every week. No, no. Especially when one of them's in Adelaide. Still no snow stories this week, Tim. Well, here's another story from Mount Thurberton. Eating chips. The podcast should be called Chips, not Snow. That's what it's really about. You could definitely do a podcast about chips.

So should we have proper ideas for podcasts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you got stuff organised? I don't sound too enthused. No, I am enthused. I am enthused. I'm enthused about one of my ideas. Should we do that one then?

Do you want me to start it off? I'll do it then. I just gave you Snowcast. That's right. That's right. My idea is a podcast which is about words. But, you know, people talk about having words that they like and words they like the sound of and they like the visual aspect of words and graphic designers. And I think we've even mentioned this before.

This is a podcast about words we hate. Right. Words I hate. And I've had this idea for a long time, like in my little, you know, notebook of ideas. And it's been sitting there and I've been trying to think of a few more and they come up from time to time and whatever. So, I don't know how strong this idea, but it's been a real stay on the list. And so, I feel like I need to get it off the list. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's a good idea. It's a good idea.

There's two ways I was thinking that people may not- may hate words. They may not like words. One is that they may not like what the word, you know, means or the fact that it's been overused or the concept behind the word. Or it could be the sound of the word itself. Yes. You know, they just hate hearing it. Don't use that word. Oh, that's, you know, and I'm not just talking about swear words or words that are inappropriate or offensive or things like that, but just other words. It came to me today, like a word, I saw a word today that I really liked, which is the word wisteria. I saw the word wisteria and I just love saying it over and over, wisteria. And that reminded me that there's a whole range of words

that I don't like, but they're actually more about their overuse than they are the sound of them. But maybe you have a couple of words that you don't like. I have a vague memory of you mentioning once before something that you don't like the sound of and of using. Well, there's a word that I don't particularly mind, but lots of people I know say it's their most hated word. So, just then when you said that idea, I googled unpleasant words and then a list came top of my results and the top word on the list was that word. Wisteria? And that word is... Oh.

No. I'm like, wow. The word I'm about to reveal that lots of people don't like. That's an incredible going. Wouldn't that be funny if the word that you chose that you particularly liked happened to be the most unlike word in the world? Most hated word.

What is it? No, the word that's top of the list that lots of people hate is moist. Oh, really? Oh, that's interesting. And I don't mind that word, really. Here's the list that came up when I Googled it. Yeah. 20 other gross sounding English words. Okay. So, gross sounding. Yeah.

Okay. The first 10 on this list are moist, blog, lugubrious, yolk, gurgle, phlegm, fetus, curd, smear, squirt and chunky. Okay. There's a common theme. I think gurgle and chunky are okay.

Gurgle's good because gurgle kind of sounds like a gurgle, but maybe that's just the association. I understand blog. I don't like words that are, I mean, I have a blog, and there are vlogs as well, and we've talked about them as well. But I don't like that sort of it feels like 1990s techie kind of Silicon Valley language kind of stuff. You know what I mean? Those words, I don't I try and avoid using them.

But yeah, yeah. But they're out and about. They are there. There are some vlogs that I like and many blogs that I like. But I just, you know, the word. Do you want to hear the next 10 go i'll go ahead orifice maggots viscous queasy bulbous pustule fester secrete munch and panties see there's a there's a lot of those words people don't like. It's the sound, you know, something you might do, scrunch with your mouth or squirt or putt.

You know what I mean? They're all sort of, there's allusions. There's pictures in people's minds when they say them, maybe that influences them. Come on, Dan, what's on your list? What are the words you don't like? I have three. Actually, I've got four. And they're words that are- they're more about- actually, one of them is two words.

It's more of a term. But they're words that are overused. Like, they're words that I don't mind the sound of and have used them many times myself. Perhaps this is why they're on the list, baby. I've become a bit self-conscious. But one of them is- the first one, top of the list that I hate is Man Cave. Man Cave. Man Cave.

Man Cave, yeah. I do. I hate it when someone's being shown around their house or they're talking about their house and there's a particular area which has, you know what I mean, like just the guy stuff and it's like, oh, that's his man cave or this is my man cave. And I, in that moment, I feel like grown men are reduced to teenagers. Like I just can't stand that concept on that word at all.

Do you know what I'm talking about? I think this is, yeah, I think this is actually a different idea to what I thought, though. But I love, I like the idea of those terms that annoy you. I mean, that's- man cave is not unpleasant sounding. No. It's not like an unpleasant sound. It's just an annoying premise. And it's like people who always talk about bucket list.

I hate people always talking about bucket list. Yeah. I hate that term. Yeah, yeah. Bucket list. And I also hate it when people say living the dream. Yeah. I feel like these are all words from Facebook posts.

Yeah. Maybe that's their common thing. In fact, the three there is almost like a perfect storm. You can just imagine some guy saying, it's my bucket list to have a man cave so I could be living the dream. That's right. Picture him sitting there with a computer game, with an Xbox. In my man cave. Hashtag living the dream. That's right. Picture him sitting there with a computer game, with an Xbox, in my man cave, hashtag living the dream, hashtag. That's exactly right.

Yeah, I just, it's just. It's more the type of person that says that stuff than like the stuff itself. No, I don't know. I mean, I've used the, well, maybe it is, but I've used the words myself. And so I'm, you know, the. I mean, I've used the, well, maybe it is, but I've used the words myself. And so I'm, you know, the type of person. I've used all three.

I totally put myself in that group of people who's really annoying. I totally put you in that category as well. Bucket list is an interesting one because it feels like, I feel like it's like, why can't you just say this was a pleasant experience or this is like this was something I wanted to do. It's almost like bucket list should be reserved for, you know what I mean? Like I only have weeks to live and this is, you know what I mean? Something important or anyway, that kind of scenario. But now it becomes. But also like when is the last time anyone referred to death as kicking the bucket as well?

That must be like a 30-year-old. Yeah, yeah. That's ye olde. Does anyone use that term anymore anyway? No. For dying? Kicking the bucket? Kicking the bucket.

Even like in fun? Like, if someone did it, I'd think they'd like come from Back to the Future or something if someone walked up to me and said, well, we're all going to kick the bucket one day. Like, that's just not a saying anymore, is, we're all going to kick the bucket one day. That's just not a saying anymore, is it? No, it's not. But bucket list, I feel like, has been around since kicking the bucket went out. So, it's handed the baton. The next one is, this is a bit controversial perhaps, innovation. Innovation. Whenever someone's talking about innovation, and particularly if it's on a news

report, something's happening that's promoting innovation, or there's a concept that's going to encourage innovation, I feel like it's about to do the very opposite of that. I feel like it's about to have people sitting on those round bouncy chairs that are good for your back that they have at Google. And you know what I mean? There's going to be an open plan office with post-it notes and lots of ideas. It feels, you know what I mean? Innovation doesn't feel like genuine innovation. Innovation feels like a word that means, oh yeah, we're all going to do one of those exercises now. And I know they can be actually good, but you know what I mean? The word, I like the, I actually like innovation. I like things to change and I like things to renew.

But I don't know, the word field's heavy laden and tired. You're right. It's a buzzword. The sort of people who really are innovative aren't the sort of people who would refer to innovations. No, that's right. Yeah, yeah. That's right. They're the sort of people that haven't got them.

Like, I don't think Elon Musk, like, builds a new rocket that can go to Mars and says, look at the innovation. He says, look at the rocket I made. I'm going to go to Mars. Whereas someone who actually has no ideas and no rocket sits around talking about innovations. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like innovation is a thing you're making when you're not actually making something. Like, it's like innovation is a thing you're making when you're not actually making something. Like it's...

Yeah. Yeah. Like people who aren't creating stuff sit around talking about ways to be creative. That's right. Yeah, yeah. It's just like show us the painting. It's like I was thinking about this the other day with culture. People talk about they're very cultured.

And I'm like culture isn't... Like people don't make culture. Actually, this is a quote from someone. People don't make culture. They make omelettes. Like you make things. You know what I mean? You don't make culture. Actually, this is a quote from someone. People don't make culture. They make omelettes. Like you make things. You know what I mean? You don't make culture.

Culture is just the broadest term to use for what we make of the world. You know what I mean? Like you can't be cultured. Those are two. Another one. Here's another one. Space. And this is used a lot as well to talk about a topic.

a lot as well to talk about a topic. So, people will say, instead of saying, you know, there's some important matters to address on that particular topic, they'll say there's a lot of matters to address in that space or in this space or something. And I get what they mean, because it's actually, at first, it felt like a really helpful way of, you know, talking about, oh, this is a smattering of issues, not just one topic that we want to nail down, but there are interrelated issues here that need to be talked about. But again, that feels a bit heavy laden now. Yeah. So, like before we start cooking, let's explore all the options in the omelette space.

That's right. That's right. In the omelette space. Yeah, yeah. Or even better, we need to unpack all the issues. Unpack is another one as well. And reach out. Now we're just going into like corporate buzzwords.

Yeah, I mean, that's what it is. And I guess maybe that's what these are, corporate buzzwords and so forth. I'm here talking about maggots and munching and you're talking about spaces and unpacking. You jumped in. I did say there's two categories here. I said there's words that, you know, sound, that cringe to the ear for the sound of the word. And then there are others that are- Yeah.

About the association. I do. I like- I like the way you went better. I do like the idea of all those terms that annoy you. In fact, I feel like I should just go to my Twitter feed and I'll find- In fact, I've got a few particular friends who I'm going to look up because I know they use those words all the time. I've got a few particular friends who I'm going to look up because I know they use those words all the time. I'm going to mine this person's Twitter feed to find good words because he's pretty pretentious.

I'm semi-convinced I may be one of those people. You're actually the person I've looked up. At Tim Hine, here we go. I should have put a few up earlier today, shouldn't I? Do you have any? Do you have any come to mind for you and all? I wish I'd known this was coming and I would have thought about it more beforehand. Let me think about it.

Let me come back maybe in a future episode because this is one that I think is worthy of more thought. And maybe people can go into our subreddit and tell us some more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go, man. Good idea. That's a good idea. Good fun. There's something about that.

So, Tim, quick mention of today's episode sponsor, if that's all right with you. Yeah, absolutely, man. That's all right. You're approving that. My name's Tim Hine and I approve this message. We haven't given it yet. Hang on. Give it to me, man.

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or maybe in the future, you are going to need a domain name. Having a good domain name is really important. I register domain names for things I'm working on, but I also am sitting on a bunch for the future of things I'd like to do. So if you want to do it, go to Hover, hover.com. And when you register your first domains, you can get 10% off if you go to hover.com slash unmade, hover.com slash unmade. Great service, best domain registrar I've ever used by miles. I'm actually transferring all my other domains from the past over to Hover. That's how much I like using them.

Give it a go. And it's Hover, H-O-V-E-R. I know Australians and English people say Hover differently to Americans. Americans like to say Hover. Hover.com slash unmade. Tim, I've got to get you registering some domain names. Oh, I do. For those big future projects.

It's good. It's good. I mean, it's great to see a leader like this because I do have friends, we have conversations where I know they would register a domain name. They have no idea where to start, no idea what to do, where do you go. I know people who are in that world like yourself do that and you use Hover. Do you say Hover or Hover? Hover. Hover and you use Hover. Do you say Hover or Hover? Hover.

Hover. You say Hover. Hover. You do because you don't want all the good ones to go. So, for example, after we did our Tommy Ball stuff, one of the first things I did, for example, was I went to Hover and I registered TommyBall.fm so that I've got it for when, you know, Tommy Ball becomes the next big thing. And when you've got these domains, by the way, like, and you're not using them yet, you can just divert them to other places. So, I think I've got Tommyball.fm diverting

to our Tommyball episode or something like that. Yep, yep. It can get addictive. And we've talked about this before as well in a previous episode, but it can get addictive when you start thinking of possibilities. Yeah, like, if you're having problems with domain name addiction, you know, seek medical advice. That's right.

But I think most people probably will have it under control. I believe I have it under control. It's good to hear, man. I guess you want an idea from me? We haven't had one from you. Well, sorry, we have the snow one. Okay. All right.

Could you say it anymore? Yeah, the snow one. Oh, we had the snow one. Okay. All right. Could you sound any more? Yeah, the snow one. Oh, we had the snow one. That was just like improvising. I want to hear some specific Reddit comments about the snow one. Snowcast. Snowcast, okay. You wait and see.

So this idea is a twist on a common theme of podcasts, but I'm going the other way with it. And this is called I Wasn't There. And it's all about amazing moments in history and great things that happened that you weren't there for. Right. And obviously, that is most things in history. But the idea is it should be something that you could have been there or you missed it for the reason you weren't there or you know someone that was there. Like, you know, I left town three days before this

amazing thing happened. Because doesn't it annoy you whenever something massive happens, like some disaster or something like, you know, a huge fire in a building and you go on Twitter and everyone's like, I can't believe it. I was there just three years ago. Like, people just like having associations with things even when they're not really associated with it. They feel a personal connection. Yeah, yeah. So, I wasn't there is people coming on telling stories, hopefully a bit more engaging than I once saw it three years ago, about something incredible that happened that they weren't there for. But they could have been or they had some connection to it.

Yeah, okay. Now, I do like this idea. Like, I immediately want to hear some examples and stories and stuff. I was worried about that. One example, and it's a story I tell a lot, and I've told it on podcasts before, but I was in Bangkok one time, many years ago now, and read in the paper that there was going to be a big procession on the river the next day of like barges and stuff. The king of Thailand was going to come out on a river barge and there were going to be these other boats.

And I was there with my girlfriend at the time. We'd been in Bangkok for a few days and the weather was hot and we were sick of walking around. And we just wanted to go into like an air-conditioned shopping mall. So we said, should we go and stand by the river and watch this thing? Or should we just go shopping? And we ended up just going shopping for t-shirts instead. Picked up the paper the next day. And it turns out this procession is called the Royal Barge Procession.

That's been going for 700 years. And it only happens very occasionally. Like it doesn't happen every year. Only very rarely do they bring out all these golden barges and boats and floats and put them on the river and the king comes out and all the people of Bangkok come out. And we happened to be there for it, this amazing rare thing. And instead of going and watching it, we went shopping for t-shirts. Did you get some good t-shirts?

So, when the royal barge position happened in Bangkok, I wasn't there. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could have been. Yeah, okay. This is, I think this is good. But the quality of the stories will be based on the amazingness of the event and also the short space of time or the unique circumstances, won't they? It'll be like. I mean, another example of mine, this is a very serious thing, but recently when that

shooting happened in las vegas i think it was the biggest mass shooting in u.s history at the uh country western music festival oh yeah yeah and there was a guy up in the mandalay hotel and he like shot down on the people and you know he killed loads of people i was actually in the mgm grand in a hotel overlooking the site where it happened but i was asleep and i actually got a text message from someone saying oh my god brady you're in las vegas i hope you're okay and i'm like what are they talking about and i switched on cnn and there was all this news about this shooting in las vegas and i was like what the heck and i went and looked out the window and there and there the whole site was in front of me and and police cars and ambulances and then i went out into the corridor

and was full of people that had escaped in all their cowboy boots and some of them like had blood on them and all sorts of stuff and they were all crying and being counseled and stuff and it happened like right next to me and i was asleep as the whole thing happened another classic is people who don't get on planes that then crash like i had a friend whose dad missed a flight and that plane crashed and everyone who caught the flight died and he wasn't on the plane they're always quite like tragic i wasn't there yeah yeah which is a little bit different isn't it it's like a lucky escape kind of thing isn't it yeah which is a slightly different kind of story what about you is there something you you know we're a couple of days away from some amazing thing some concert you didn't go to or

that you wish you did or like. No, there's always things that you think, oh, I normally, like something happens and you go, well, geez, I walk down there every now and then. I wasn't going to go yesterday when it happened or anything like that. But you know what I mean? Like it just, because it feels familiar or it's somewhere that you know, whether whatever the situation is, you feel a connection of wow we go there all the time but i can't think of anything that comes to mind but when people have like when you think about something like i guess this is why one of the reasons why maybe 9-11 resonated so much around the world apart from it being an earth-shattering um kind of event but

so many people knew it they knew what it looked. They'd seen it in a million movies, but so many people had been there as well. So many people, oh yeah, we went there and we went to the top. And so they feel a particular sense of reality and connection to the television footage, even though they're a thousand miles away and everyone grieved. That's a bit of an exception, I guess, because everyone was so shaken by it. But those people I realise in particular, oh, wow, if you'd actually been there, yeah, that would have, you'd get a sense of how enormous the building is. It is a difficult feeling because you do feel it strongly, like say for something like the World Trade Centre, you always meet people who said, just, you know, two years before

it happened, I was up there on that observation deck. And I kind of understand why people want to say it for that reason you just explained. But it must also almost feel a little bit ridiculous as it comes out of your mouth. Yeah. Millions of New Yorkers are looking at it every day. They're right there. They live with it. And then it happens. That's very different to having visited once.

And maybe it's the fact that you've come from the other side of the world to visit it once that gives you that sense of special connection when, you know, or not special connection. It's just a, it hits home in a particularly real way. To take it to sort of a slightly more fun and cheery place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Than all the disasters. Another good story that I heard recently. I've recently become obsessed with the musical Hamilton. So I'm reading everything about it and I'm really into it.

And when you read interviews with the cast and you read about like the history of the musical, one of the big nights for the musical in New York was when Jay-Z and Beyonce came to see it. Oh, yeah. Afterwards, they went and met everyone backstage and told them how much they like it. And whenever you see interviews with people,

they talk about how exciting that night was for them and what Beyonce said to them afterwards and stuff like that. Yeah. But what I didn't realise was that Lin-Manuel Miranda, who wrote the musical and played Hamilton for the first year or two, didn't miss a single performance except one night he was sick and was in hospital with a drip. And that was the night Beyonce and Jay-Z came to watch.

Oh, right. Okay. And he talks about it. He says, I can't believe it. And when he found out they were coming to watch the show, he decided, oh, no, I've got to do it. I can't miss this. And his wife said, don't be ridiculous. You've got a drip.

You're not performing tonight. And he couldn't believe it. That was the one night he couldn't go. So, that was a I wasn't there for him. Again, this would be cool one to hear from people on the reddit about ideas because i think lots of people would have yeah they'd have a story and you'd want to it's one of those stories you love to tell and want to tell and i feel like i have them but i they're not coming to mind which probably means they're not terribly spectacular. But I want to make it very clear, I wasn't there for many, many, many, many grand events. What about like a sport, like there's always the sporting event you don't go to that ends up having this incredible result.

I would have thought you'd have some music ones, like some concert you decided not to go to and then Bono turned up or something. I have thought about the idea of if I could live life again, which concerts I would go to. Yeah. Like which ones you'd want to see. And I've thought about making a list like that. And, of course, some of them are, you know, when I was too young or, you know, happened before I was old enough to go to a concert

and whatnot. But you do think of other ones. You go, oh, I would have been there that night or I would have gone and seen that particular show those sorts of things there's a few concerts i would have loved to seen many times like the u2 zoo tv tour i would have gone to a whole bunch of those in a row i was finishing year 12 that year so we just got to one so i'll tell you a good example involving u2 and bono that is an example of that for me yeah and it involves you when you came to england and you were hanging out with me oh yeah yeah and then you just and Bono, that is an example of that for me. Yeah. And it involves you. When you came to England and you were hanging out with me. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then you went to London and I didn't come with you. You said, I'm going to London now. And you went to London because you wanted to go to Abbey Road and have a photo at the crossing. And when you got to the Abbey Road studios, a car pulled up and you two got out and you met them. That's right. That's true.

Yeah, yeah. That was- And I wasn't there. That's like 15, 16 met them. That's right. That's true. Yeah, yeah. And I wasn't there. That's like 15, 16 years ago. That's right. Although if I was there, maybe we would have gone for a McDonald's first or something and you would have missed them altogether. Yeah, you would have stuffed it up. That was a weird I was there one.

I honestly was just going to Abbey Road because I wanted to go and see it. Because you go and do it, right? And I just walked up and I'm just standing there. There's a couple of people standing out the front. And, of course, there's always a couple of people out the front of Abbey Road, I imagine. But then I said, are you guys waiting for someone? And they said, oh, you too. And I was like, really?

And then one by one they arrived. Yeah. Tim is like the biggest U2 fan, people. This is like you couldn't make this up. Yeah, it was really strange. And then Rick Rubin, who was producing, because I was just doing a couple of songs for a best of. This is about 2006 or something.

Yeah, he turned up. Rick Rubin's a great producer. He produced the Beastie Boys and then did Johnny Cash's last few albums. So I got to say to him, you know, thanks for doing those Johnny Cash albums. They were really awesome. And he said, hey, look to me. Thanks, man. Yeah doing those Johnny Cash albums. They were really awesome. And he said, oh, he looked at me. Thanks, man.

Yeah. Bono arrived too. I shook his hand. Yeah, that was cool. I thanked The Edge as well for coming to Australia. What did you say to Bono? I said, can you shake my hand? That's not normally how handshakes work, mate.

That's right. Can you shake my hand? They're normally a bit more spontaneous than that. I think I said that. Maybe he said that. I don't know. I don't know. Someone asked someone you shake my hand? They're normally a bit more spontaneous than that. I think I said that. Maybe he said that. I don't know. I don't know. Someone asked someone to shake their hand.

He said, can I shake your hand? Are you Tim from the Unmade Podcast? Yeah, yeah. He was like, you know, g'day and stuff. So I shook his hand, and that was pretty cool, through the fence. The Edge was there, and I thank The Edge because they rescheduled Australia. One of The Edge's daughters had a cancer scare or got cancer. I'm not actually sure of the full details.

And they deferred a whole part of the tour. And then they rebooked it. I think it's some complication to come to Australia. So I said, oh, thanks for rebooking that tour to Australia because I don't think they'd come yet. But I was really pleased they were. And he looked at me and said, no worries. So that was it.

I love that when you meet these people, you drop in these really obscure references. Like, oh, I'm such a fan. It's always like, thanks for producing that Johnny Cash album and thanks for the logistics of rebooking that tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably should have said, well. I love lemon.

It was like that time I met John Hewson. Do you remember? He's an Australian politician, the leader of the opposition party in Australia. Yeah. And I was pumping petrol in Mick Scorpos Petrol Discount King, for those in Adelaide. And this is like year 11 at school. Name dropper.

And he drove in. He was in a car, like he was in the back or something of some, I imagine just with friends actually because it didn't look very official. And he got out and he was doing the pumping of the petrol for his friend's car, which was kind of him. He was like the opposition leader, you know, in the country. And a few weeks before had been the budget and I was really getting into politics.

So I went over and shook his hand and said, you know, well done on that reply to the budget speech the other night. The treasurer in Australia gives the budget and then a few days later the opposition leader does a reply and pulls it apart. This is in 92. Horror budget in 92. And so I said, thanks for your reply to the budget speech. I thought it was really good. He's looking at this sort of dirty, greasy, you know, sort of stanky New Year's 11 goes, oh, no worries. Comment, you know, thanks for saying so.

I like to give them something specific. Tim, you were there when John Hewson pumped petrol at Mick Scorpos Petrol Discount King. See, this would be a story that you... You're always there. This would be a story that you'd tell because you weren't there. I wasn't there. This is the thing about you, though.

These things always happen to you. This is why you probably couldn't be on I wasn't there because you always are there. That jammy stuff always happens to you. Some funny little things like that. Yeah. That was a coincidence with you too. That was pretty cool. Yeah.

Well, because the joke was when you came to England to visit me and the whole time there, the whole joke was, oh, when do I get to meet you two? Like the joke was, oh, you know, famous people like the Queen and you two are just walking the streets for you to talk to. That's right. So the whole time you were with me, you were always joking, when do I meet you two? And then you left me to go to London. And then the next day you send me this picture of you and Bono together. And I thought it was like some joke or I was at Madame Tussauds or like, how had you done

this? And then like, I spoke to you and you said, no, it's real. I met Bono. Like, I just met him in the street. Believe it. This is back before the era of selfies, though. So it was like just a photo of him, just a digital camera up close. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah. You did. You just took a picture of him walking past. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it funny? We went all these years with cameras without ever thinking, oh, I could turn this around and be in the picture too. And then it just snapped and it just clicked and everyone just started doing it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he wanted to take one. He suggested it,

but I said, nah, just get one of you and that'll be all right. Just to show Brady. This was before he asked to shake your hand. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So, there we go. Yeah, well, I think there's an idea in there. But, again, you've got different people. And it's one of those ones you line up the person and the story and they come on and you unpack it.

That's how it would work. Cool stories. I wasn't there. Or what is it? I'm not there. I wasn't there. I wasn't there. Because it's always I was there, isn't it?

That's like the saying. That's the zeitgeisty thing. I was there. Ah, yeah. So, this is I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I wasn't there. Because it's always I was there, isn't it? That's like the saying. That's the zeitgeisty thing. I was there. Ah, yeah. So this is I wasn't there. I think that comes, that I was there, I think that was immortalised or came from, there were T-shirts from people who went to Live Aid in 1985 at Wembley. I think they sold I was there T-shirts.

That's my first reading of it. But I guess it's. Oh, so are you saying we need to make I wasn't there T-shirts? I wasn't there T-shirts. That's my first reading of it, but I guess it's... Oh, so are you saying we need to make I wasn't there t-shirts? I wasn't there t-shirts. That's a great... I wasn't there. That's a great, humble way of saying... It's like, what were you there for? You're like, well, take your pick. I just wasn't there. I miss loads of stuff. We're always after a fun excuse to make a t-shirt. We haven't done a t-shirt for a while.

I like that idea. I like it. Should I just say I wasn't there or should it be specific about what you weren't there for? I wasn't there. I wasn't there when Tim met Bono at Abbey Road. I think a popular T-shirt would be I wasn't there when Tim asked John Hewson about his reply to the budget speech in 1992. There's not many of those T-shirts. Well, there wasn't.

The funny thing is, well, it's not really a funny thing. It's a totally irrelevant thing, but I'll say it anyway. I was a really big fan of Paul Keating at the time, who was the Prime Minister, and this was the opposition leader. But because he was the one that drove into the petrol station, he got to shake my hand so there we go i wasn't there when tim when when tim discussed the budget reply speech with john hewson in 1990 was it 92 1992 yeah yeah so tim we haven't done an idea from a patron for a while you can support the Unmade Podcast on Patreon at patreon.com slash unmadefm.

And if you do that, well, you help us make more episodes and you also get your name on the website on our official wall of thanks. But it also means you can send us your ideas for a podcast that we may read on the show, which is about to happen right now. Who have we got, man? The first one I opened is from Canada. I'm going to skip that one because we may read on the show, which is about to happen right now. Who we got, man? The first one I opened is from Canada. I'm going to skip that one because we always read ones from Canada. Canadians love sending us ideas or supporting us on Patreon.

I don't know which, but Canada, Canada. This one comes from Tavi, who is a PhD student in computer science. Tavi has three kids, so has no time for hobbies or any amazing trips. But a few years back, he summited Stok Kangri in Ladakh in India. Do you know? Stok Kangri. No, I'm about to look that up. I've never heard of that one, but I like a good mountain. Let's have a look at this mountain that you summited. Over on the eastern side. Stok Kangaroo, 6,154 metres. It's the highest mountain in the stock range of the Himalayas. Looking at the picture of it, it's mighty impressive.

6,000, yeah, wow. That's hardcore. Despite its high altitude, Stock Kangaroo is a popular trekking peak and is often climbed as an initial non-technical foray into high-altitude mountaineering. However, the difficulty of Stock kangaroo is often underestimated and the need to acclimatise before enduring the ascent makes stock kangaroo an enduring challenge.

I think this could be for me, if normal people can get to the top. But it's really high. I mean, that's higher than Everest Base Camp that summer. That's higher than Mount Theberton. Go to Bogarty and Mount Theberton. They're steerable, stoppable, and you can go like the clappers down the world's biggest indoor real snowfield. It just tops over.

Is Mount Theberton even above sea level? I guess it is. The only certified mountain that has a negative height. He says, I could not find any photograph evidence for that, but there are eyewitnesses who can approve. We're not going to require eyewitnesses. We're going to believe Tavi on this one, aren't we? Totally, yeah, yeah.

I usually listen to the podcast while driving to and from university. It's about 30 minutes. My idea for a podcast is called Jogging Companion. Tavi writes, running alone can be quite boring, especially when it's dark. Running with others requires talking, which makes it harder. So the audience is people who want to listen to a conversation in which they have no obligation to participate. I think that just sounds like a normal podcast so far. Yeah, yeah. But so far. Then Tavi goes on to say, the podcast is recorded while running so that the listener feels like they are running with

them of course this idea could be extended to other types of activities and this is an idea that's occurred to me too actually when i'm running i sometimes think i imagine if i was running with someone else and we were talking and we recorded it as a podcast and then i guess other people could listen to that ah okay so it's chit chat the podcast is themselves yeah sound effects yeah yeah that's interesting it's an interesting idea i don't know if there's like a need for it like when i'm running and i'm listening to like you know some politics podcast i don't know whether i'm thinking gosh if only these people were running too i would relate to them more or if i'd find it like distracting or i don't know. It's not pleasant to listen to someone explain something

while they're out of breath. Normally the only reason you'd listen to someone is if it's an emergency, like they've run up and I've got to tell you something and then you're listening very carefully. But if they're saying, oh, I've got a great story. You know what I mean? Normally you're trying to bypass that. That's not a feature of the conversation, but maybe it'll feel more familiar.

Yeah. I mean, obviously, when you're doing a gym session, whether it's in real life or all these, you know, newfangled snazzy ones you can do from home via streaming and that, usually the person instructing you is doing the exercise too. So, if you're actually being instructed through the exercise, then maybe it makes it more relatable. I don't know. But isn't part of the reason as well, like when I don't run, but if I go for a long walk or if I'm riding a cycle and I put a podcast on, part of it is you're escaping what you're doing. Like, the way I'm going to get through this exercise is to not think about exercise. I'm going to get lost in thinking about politics, which is a pleasurable thing. So, I don't want to be reminded in that fantasy world, oh, well, you know, you're really running here and it's really tough. I don't know. I'm not sold on it, Tavi. But it's an interesting idea.

You've got us thinking. And maybe send us another email and tell us why you think having the podcast as running as well is a good idea can i take it a little bit further because there's an idea behind this that says that having a context for the podcast that suits when people are listening to podcasts so running is one example cycling could work a little bit better because there's a sense of well i don't know why but there's you may be out of work a little bit better because there's a sense of, well, I don't know why, but you may be out of breath a little bit less and there's a sense of maybe coaching that's going on or something like that. But in a car as well, driving along in a car

and you're listening to someone in a car talking, maybe there's a whole range. Or on a horse and you're, you know, maybe there's a... Yeah. In the bath, you're lying in a bath listening to someone else lying in a bath doing a podcast. That's right. That's right, yeah. But you could swap them as well.

Like, when I'm out riding, I like... When I'm out cycling, I like to pretend that I'm on a horse talking to someone on a horse. Or you know how people like listening to podcasts as they're falling asleep? You could be podcasted too by someone else who is like falling asleep and like sometimes they just fall asleep before you do the podcast yeah they just you know how they just sort of have nonsense to say like before yeah yeah i was uh yeah yeah oh good night oh they just go on like that i don't know i don't know maybe that's what you do when you're falling asleep and then they suddenly go They just go on like that. I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe that's what you do when you're falling asleep. I don't know. Then they suddenly go, what was that? What was that? Oh, yeah. I just remembered something. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I'm going to go brush my teeth. That's right. All right. Thank you, Tavi. Hey, can I just ask one more thing? How do you spell Tavi? T-A-V-I. That's cool. I like the name. Could be Tavi. That you, Tavi. Hey, can I just ask one more thing? How do you spell Tavi? T-A-V-I. That's cool.

I like the name. Could be Tavi? That's a cool name. Tavi? That could be. Look, my attitude is pronounce it one way and just stick with it and don't doubt. Yeah. As I did with Stok Kangri, the mountain in Ladakh, India, which I'm now going to start Googling to find out whether or not you can climb it.

Oh, cool. And have somewhere nice to stay anywhere nearby, or you have to just sleep in tents for weeks. Well, there we go. Thanks, Tavi. You've given Brady a new quest. Yeah. I've been looking for another sort of trekking holiday.

I won't be going anywhere near it, but I will like to listen to podcasts of people that are trekking while I'm at home. Eating chips at Mount Thurberton. No, Mount Thurberton. I'd like to go skiing at Mount Thurberton, listening to podcasts of people trekking in the Himalayas. That's what I'd like to do. You've been to the summer of Mount Thurberton, although there is no photographic proof at this stage.

That's right. That's right. Yes, but there are eyewitnesses. Go to Bogarty and Mount Severton. They're steerable, stoppable, and you can go like the clappers down the world's biggest indoor real snowfield.