The Unmade Podcast - 24: The Great Great Podcast

Episode Date: March 26, 2019

Tim and Brady discuss all sorts of things, including The Greatest American Hero, a dodgy film starring Johnny Cash, and the late Luke Perry. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/b5ooad USEFUL LINKS The Great Gatsby - https://amzn.to/2UWS8k0 Australian Motors advertisement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL8FXTkzHRk The Greatest American Hero opening sequence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb4C7vSByMM The Great Depression - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression A hat-trick - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wbSX-owN8w Popcorn by Ben Elton - https://amzn.to/2U9X1Jp The Baron and the Kid - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086937/ The Baron and the Kid on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIsXbiC3Gq0 Snooker - The 1984 Cue Extension Incident - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvGvLNdwUUI More snooker scandal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxTcDsy9Gs I Will Always Love You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU Luke Perry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Perry Jason Priestley's magnificent hair with bonus rolled-up sleeves - https://cdn3.movieweb.com/i/article/f8Y8xcpWNoSV9M6bAE9U1AYptdGu5H/1107:50/Jason-Priestley-Punched-Harvey-Weinstein-1995.jpg

Da-na-na-na, da-na-na-na, ch-ch. You well? I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I've been looking forward to this for the last hour or so, and here we are. Yeah? The anticipation's reached fever pitch. That's right. You told me you were watching TV about to fall asleep an hour ago. That doesn't sound like you were too excited.

Well, that's what I mean, but your text message made me sort of kick into gear and go, oh, yeah, okay, that's right. When you know you've got an appointment in an hour, it's impossible to doze off. But just outside an hour, you're sort of, ah, it's more than an hour away. So, you can sort of doze off. That's the doze zone. An hour and one minute, I'm going to bed. That's right. That's right. Have you ever slept through something you were supposed to be at? I feel like, almost definitely feel that I have, but I can't remember what it is. Probably because I was asleep.

Have you ever missed a plane? I've never missed a plane. I've come very, very close. In fact, I've been with a friend sitting in a cafe at the airport and we bump into one of his mates and we've been chatting to his mate, just having a coffee and talking about, oh, where are you going? Oh, I'm going here and all the rest of it. And then he suddenly jumps up and goes, oh, no, that's my flight and runs off.

And we just sit back going, oh, that guy, I wonder if he'll make his flight, you know, kind of mocking him and all the rest of it. And then after about five minutes, we hear our names called out and we were on the exact same flight as him as it turns out. We only just made that one. That was an international too. When you got on the plane, did he see you and go, you idiots? No, no, but we felt very foolish.

I think we must have seen him up ahead or something, but I remember going, that's actually our plane. It's just those glorious moments where you kick back, someone else is rushing off and you lean back going, oh, lucky we're all sorted. Have you missed a plane? Not through my own fault. Like I've missed connections because of, you know, plane delays and problems like that.

Yeah. But I have been sitting in a cafe and getting carried away with conversation and then being called. That was a bit embarrassing, especially because I was really, really early for that flight as well. I always get to the airport way too early. I got there really early and I was just sitting there with a friend having a chat and we just chatted for so long that we had to be summoned. I'll tell you what I've done. I've got to the airport to catch a flight and realised I'd booked

it for AM instead of PM. Oh, right. Foolishly. He just looked at it and said that flight went 12 hours ago or 11 hours ago. I said, you're kidding. Oh, that's missing a flight then. Well, that's right. But it's not for running late. I was perfectly on time. Well, I was 11 hours late. What did you do when that happened? I had to buy another one right there and then. Right. I'd been interstate overnight for work or something and I was coming back on a Friday afternoon and it was like, well, you just hand over the card and buy another flight, you know, the next one leaving. All right, put me down for another

business class flight to Los Angeles. There goes another 10 grand. That's right. If part and parcel, big Tim. This client's not going to like it. But anyway, here we go. No, I felt very foolish then. And the guy just did the nice thing and, you know,

made me feel like, oh, look, people do it all the time. But I just booked it for 7 a.m. on the same day to come home or something stupid. I don't know. I remember my mum once decided to take me and my sister into the city, into the centre of Adelaide when we lived out in the suburbs. We lived down near Glenelg, you know. So we were going to get the tram into the city.

And it was a really big deal. This was something mum would never do. So we were really excited. And we were waiting at the tram stop. And trams, as you know, in Adelaide come very regularly. And we were standing there waiting and this tram just drove past and we were like, what the heck? And then another one came and it just drove past, but this time like the driver waved to us and we waved back and then he just kept going.

And this happened for like four trams in a row. There were usually two drivers in the cabin, which was unusual. So, she was like, oh, they must be doing training or something like that. And they just kept going past us. And eventually someone who like lived in a house near the tram station came out in their pyjamas and she was quite hostile and angry and started yelling at us and explained to us that the trams were on strike that day. Oh, really?

So, the tram drivers had to keep driving for some reason, but they weren't picking anyone up. I don't know if they thought we were supporting them and were like waving them out of support or they were just waving at us, but mum didn't know they were on strike and we were just waiting there for ages. And this woman came out and go, you idiots, they're on strike. My mum was like, oh, are they? And the woman said, no, I just made it up for fun. She was really mean. That's a grumpy person, isn't it? So literally the one day your mum decided to catch a tram and her adult life, if you like, they're on strike.

That is unlucky. I know. The other thing that reminds me of is I remember when I was young, there were these Mr Men themed like ice lollies, ice cream things you could get at the supermarket. Right. And me and my sister really, really wanted them, but mum wouldn't buy them for us.

And every time we went to the supermarket, can we please have the Mr. Men ice cream? She's like, no, you know, whatever. She thought they were silly or not healthy or whatever. And she would never, ever buy them. And one time we were at the supermarket and she just caved. She was like, all right, just this once you can have them. And she took them out of the freezer and put them in the trolley.

And then we were checking out at the checkout this was a long time ago obviously and it was you know before you would pay for things with cards you'd pay for things with cash and when they tallied up all the groceries my mum was like three dollars short of what she needed to pay for all the groceries and the woman said oh you'll have to put something back three guesses what she decided to put back so the mr men ice lollies were there like they'd been through the checkout we were about to have them and then at the last minute mom was like oh let's chuck those ones back and we just watched them disappear from our grasp i never ever had one in my life at that moment isn't it amazing how utterly irrelevant everything else in the trolley is to life? Everything else in the universe becomes irrelevant. I don't know who the prime minister was at that time, but I know I didn't get those Mr. Men ice creams.

No, what I mean is like, why are we spending, you know, like it wasn't, I guess, hundreds of dollars there, but it may have. You know what I mean? On all this irrelevant stuff, unaware of how it all comes together to become meals and things. It's just like, you know what I mean? Bottles of vanilla essence. Like, what is that? And what is this here? Canola oil.

And you know what I mean? It's all just irrelevant stuff. That's not actually concrete, hard food that I want. The one thing I do want, of course, that has to go back. Yeah. The fact that you think my mum had lots of different little ingredients to make amazing meals shows how little you know about my mum's culinary expertise. Anyway, didn't get those ice creams.

How do we get onto that? I don't know. So, who's going first today with some ideas for Unmade Podcast? This is what I was going to say. You were bragging, you were talking big earlier about your ideas. Yeah. So, you're going first. Definitely, definitely going first.

Doesn't that mean if I think my ideas are good, doesn't that mean you should go first so that yours don't seem bad coming after a gem? No, I just think we should need to get underway. Oh, you're thinking you can just, maybe yours don't even have to come up at all. That's right. I'm going to stretch this idea of yours out for so long, it's going to make podcast history. So, my first idea is called The Great Podcast. Right. And what happens is each episode is a discussion and exploration of something different, as most podcasts are.

And in this particular case, it has to be something with great in its name. in its name. So, it could be Great Danes, The Great British Bake Off, Great Ormond Street Hospital, The Great Barrier Reef, The Great Escape Movie, The Great Gatsby Book, Alexander the Great. The Great Escape Album by Blur. It could be that too. So, when you hear that idea, what's the first thing you think of? What's the first episode you'd want to make if the theme has to be something that's great? The first thing that came to mind was The Great Barrier Reef. And then the second thing was, just as you said it, The Great Escape movie. Right.

Though, as you were saying it, though, I was thinking, oh, we have a whole range of these in Australia. And then I remembered, no, they're not the greats. They're the bigs. We have the big lobster and the big banana and the big apple and not the big apple. Unless you've got the great lobster and the great banana, you're not getting on this podcast. None of these big things are great. As you know, if you drive around the coast of Australia, people just build big stuff

and they're not great. They're just big. The big rocking horse is great. Oh, yeah, that's pretty cool. I've got a soft spot for that. But what great things have you been to? Have you been to the Great Barrier Reef? No, no, I haven't.

No, man. I haven't been up that high around Queensland. Get your act together. Have you? I went scuba diving on the Great Barrier Reef, and I'm not like a trained scuba diver. I haven't like, you know, done my paddy or whatever it's all called. So I thought, oh, they're going to be really careful with us

and just like, you know, hold our hands. And at first, the guide was in the middle, and there were two of us each side of him all linking arms swimming and after about a minute or two he was like, all right, you guys look good. You know, he didn't say that but he sort of gestured it underwater and just let us go. And we were really deep scuba diving on the reef and I had no training.

Now I look back at it, it was super dangerous. How deep? Like I imagine the coral is not far underwater. It's deeper than you think. Like you couldn't swim down to it. Oh, right, okay. By holding far underwater. It's deeper than you think. Like you couldn't swim down to it. Oh, right. Okay. By holding your breath. It's much deeper than that. Oh, right.

I was surprised by how deep it was. And obviously, yeah, it wasn't Ben's territory. We weren't like in, you know, submersibles down at the bottom of the Mariner Trench or anything, but it was deeper than I expected. Anyway, so yes, I have been to the Great Barrier Reef. Were you in one of those? I always want to go in one of those boats that have the glass floor. When I was a kid, I thought they were a great novelty. No. And do you know what? I think if we'd had a glass floor, you wouldn't have had that good a view.

That's how deep it felt. There must be some shallower parts to it, I'm sure. Yes. And also maybe it was high tide. And also maybe I'm greatly exaggerating because it was so long ago. There was no scuba gear. No. We were just up to our shins.

Yeah. It was so long ago. There was no scuba gear. No, we were just up to our shins. Yeah. It was like some scam. They're like, this is the Great Barrier Reef and it was just a few seashells on the beach somewhere. You know that wallpaper you can get where it's like a mural? That you put in aquariums. That's right. They basically stuck that to the bottom of the boat

and then told us it was glass. It's so deep that that's why it's not moving. It's not appearing to move. The Great Escape. The Great Escape is one of those films When you stumble across it on TV You watch the end of it It's that good isn't it It's a real classic

Great film So interesting Great film Even though you know it's going to happen I haven't read or seen The Great Gatsby Have you? You probably have read that Yeah I read The Great Gatsby

And I've seen two of the films Any good? I think it's overrated Should Yeah, I read The Great Gatsby and I've seen two of the films. Any good? I think it's overrated. Should it just be called The Okay Gatsby? That's right. That's right. I read it because it was just there to be read. I'm like, oh, this is a classic.

You've got to read this. And I didn't love it at all, really. It didn't really grab me. And then the film I saw, which hasbert redford in it that bored me and then the the more recent one with baz luhrmann i just feel like baz luhrmann like i'm just over they're just over the top and i don't enjoy his decadent style it's just yeah i quite enjoyed moulin rouge i guess and i love strictly ballroom his first film is australian film but i do like that it's just like i don't know it, everything's a dance sequence

and it's just over the top. Chill out, man. Just chill out, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, oh, there's no subtlety. Anyway, so I didn't enjoy that either, actually. Maybe when we start my great podcast, at the end, once you've reviewed the thing you're reviewing,

you decide whether or not the thing actually is great or not. That could be like the conclusion. Yeah, that's right. I think it should be binary. It should just be either great or not great. actually is great or not. That could be like the conclusion. Yeah, that's right. I think it should be binary. It should just be either great or not great. All right, all right. You shouldn't have that latitude to say, oh, it's okay. You should just say, yep, it is great.

Or, no, it's not great. Doesn't deserve the name. What else comes to mind? The great. Well, I've got a few things that come to mind. I will quickly speak about Great Danes because my auntie had a Great Dane when I was a little boy. And I was obviously very little at that time. And Great Danes because my auntie had a Great Dane when I was a little boy and I was obviously very little at that time and Great Danes are massive. And I remember thinking there was

nothing in the world bigger than that dog. Like that dog was like the size of the universe to me. I was so scared of it. And one of my very first nightmares that I have a vague recollection of, and I can still remember it now, was me and my family being attacked by that dog and it was like biting us. But because I was quite young and didn't have a very good understanding of gore or what being attacked by a dog would actually be like, each time the dog took a bite, like of your arm or your leg or something, that part of you just like disappeared. Oh, wow. Like it just vanished.

It was completely bloodless. It was just like bite, bite, bite. And parts of you were just like vanishing in chunks. And like I was scared, but it wasn't very gruesome, but it was very scary. So I'm a bit scared of Great Danes. Can I ask a question? Are there Danes? And then the Great Dane is a large version.

Well, there are people from Denmark. Yes, I know there are Danes. Is there a dog breed called the Dane? I don't think so. There may be, but I'm not aware of it. What if we brought out a dog called the Great Aussie? How's that going to go down? Great Australian.

The Great Australian. Yeah. I can't believe there isn't one now you've said it out loud. If Australians had invented the Great Dane, they would have called it the Big Dane. Which is more accurate. So, let me throw you my two best great memories, though, of things that I would like to have on the show. Yeah, yeah. My first is a very special edition of great because this is double great.

Because obviously every episode of the Unmade Podcast, we have to talk about retro Australian advertisements. And I thought this was retro, but it turns out they're still using it. Yeah. And that is Australian Motors, the Mitsubishi dealership in Adelaide. Oh, yeah. You know who they are? The Great Great Guys. The Great Guys, are they?

No, they're called the Great Great Guys. They still use the slogan, but the song used to go, Australian Motors, the Great Great Guys. I don't know that at all. Now they just call themselves the Great Great Guys. Oh, right. You don't know the Great Great Guys? I don't. They've still got TV ads. I found them on YouTube. No, I don't know that at all. Now they just call themselves the Great Great Guys. Oh, right. You don't know the Great Great Guys. I don't.

They've still got TV ads. I found them on YouTube. No, I don't know it. Oh, you're showing your Victorian roots now. It must have... Is it an Adelaide thing then? Yeah, they're opposite the Wavell Showgrounds, their dealership apparently still. Mitsubishi are giving Great Great Deals guaranteed across our entire Mitsubishi range.

Get a Great Great Deal guaranteed on Lancer. All right. Big Mitsubishi range. Get a great, great deal guaranteed on Lancer. All right. Big Mitsubishi dealership. But the thing is, I was watching their recent ads, and because it's a bit politically incorrect to be so macho and just call yourself guys if you're a bunch of car salesmen, they still call themselves the great, great guys, but almost always the line where the great, great guys

is delivered by a woman, one of their female car sales people. Ah, okay. So they're still the Great Great Guys, but not in such a macho way now. They're more, you know, 2019 Great Great Guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get a great, great deal guaranteed from Great Great Guys. And the other one I would love to do would be the much underrated, which in my memory is underrated, but I'm sure it was really rubbish

because it didn't last long, television show, The Greatest American Hero. I was thinking about this a few months ago because I heard that song, Believe It or Not. Believe it or not, I'm walking on air. I never thought I could feel so free. George isn't at home. Oh, there we go.

Seinfeld reference. There's my Seinfeld reference for the day. I loved that song. Just like the light of a new day, hit me from out of the blue. I love the song too, and I remember watching the show, but I don't even really remember the premise. I remember him not being, he flies and then he's not able to land very well. I believe the premise was, this is, I could very easily be wrong,

he somehow comes across this superhero suit, which gives him superpowers. Yeah. But he's not able to read the instruction book for it. Okay. So he has powers, but he doesn't really know how to wield them correctly. So, he's a bit of a klutz. Because I remember him flying and then he, instead of landing on his feet like Superman, he'd just crash on the ground and roll.

Yeah. And he flies kind of a bit unsteadily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me have a look and see what I can find the wiki. Greatest American Hero, American comedy drama superhero television series, three seasons from 1981 to 83. The series chronicles Ralph's adventures after a group of aliens gives him a red and black suit that gives him superhuman abilities.

Unfortunately for Ralph, who hates wearing the suit, he immediately loses his instruction booklet and thus has to learn how to use his powers by trial and error, often with comical results. Oh, right. I didn't know that. I would have watched a dozen episodes of that back as a kid, but never got that. I mean, you see how long ago it was. It was the very early 80s.

But I remember thinking it was the most incredible show. Like, I thought it was fantastic. Because what more could a kid want? Like, slapstick comedy and superpowers. And not many episodes you said though. 45 episodes were made. Series one had nine episodes. Series two had 22. Series three had 14. So, it did a lot better than The Heights. Which was great as well, let's be honest. We're not talking about The Heights again. You can have your Seinfeld reference, but we're not doing The Heights again. Yeah, the greatest American hero.

So, I did a quick Google on the great while we've been talking and the Great Depression comes up, which is of interest. The Great Depression is something that I think is worthy of exploration. I think it's one of those things that people would like to hear more about and talk more about. I don't think we could review it at the end and say it was great or not. Was it great? Yeah, a lot of people would say, look, I was there.

Wasn't that great? Definitely the greatest depression we've had so far. By definition, though, a depression is great because otherwise, if you just have a recession, you can't have a great recession because a great recession is a depression. But then if you have a great depression, it's like, whoa. Has a depression got like a formal definition, does it? Like a recession does of, you know, consecutive quarters of negative growth or something?

I don't know if a depression does. I know the recession has, yeah, yeah, it's consecutive quarters. I wonder if a... There is a depression. Here we go. In economics, a depression is a sustained long-term downturn in economic activity. It is a more severe economic downturn than a recession, which is a slowdown in economic activity over the course of a normal business cycle. So it's an unusual and extreme form of recession. So itions are characterized by their length, by abnormally large increases in unemployment, falls in the availability of credit, shrinking output, large number of

bankruptcies, including sovereign debt defaults. So there's a few factors in there, but it's quite subjective. Here we go. This will help. It says here, in the United States, the National Bureau of Economic Research determines, they define a depression to include two general rules, a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%. Oh, wow, yeah. Or a recession lasting two or more years. Oh, okay. So that's quite formal, you know. Two or more years.

So that's four recessions in a row, really. Well, no, it's more, isn't it? Because in the United Kingdom, a recession is negative economic growth for two consecutive quarters. So for two years, you'd need eight quarters, wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry. A recession is two of them, though. So that's half a year.

Another one is another two. So that's full year. So four of them. But wouldn't one to two be recession? And then two to three would also be recession. And three to four. So it's not one and two be recession, and then two to three would also be recession, and three to four. So it's not one and two, and then three and four. It'd be a recession that suddenly that turns into a depression. It's not like, okay, that recession's over. Oh, look, now we're having a depression.

But if quarter one to two is a recession, and then quarter two to three also is negative, would you call that two recessions? No, no, no. If you get two negative growths in two quarters, you've got a recession. But you need four recessions then, which is four times two, which is eight. See, you and I are having a debate here over something that I used to argue about with my friends involving cricket. Right. Which is if you get three wickets in a row, that's a hat trick, right? Yeah.

And some people say if you get four wickets in a row, that's a hat trick, right? Yeah. And some people say if you get four wickets in a row, that's a double hat trick because wicket one, two, and three was a hat trick and wicket two, three, and four was a hat trick. No, I wouldn't say that. Yeah. So you think a double hat trick has to be six wickets in a row? That's what I would say, yes.

Yeah. Who do you – is that what you think or do you think the other? I don't know. There's an argument for the second one. I can see that. I think if you have three quarters of negative growth in a row, that's a double recession. You've had two recessions.

You've had two quarters of recession. Oh, you're right. Two quarters. That's interesting. Yeah. Well, it's not that interesting. It's not. In fact, sorry for people listening.

I'll ask an economist tomorrow. Yeah, let's do that off air. And then we'll insert it in. If you're listening to this live. Here's Tim's discussion with an economist. This is where you can dabble with these things in editing. You can find an answer and get in, and then you can find a recording of my voice saying,

you're right, Brady. Maybe we could have you discussing recessions with the economist as like bonus material, but only people who are not patrons have to listen to it. And your bonus for being a patron supporter is you don't have to listen to Tim talking to The Economist. I think we may get an episode of negative growth on our podcast listening. The Unmade Podcast Great Recession. Let's see if we can have three consecutive episodes of negative growth. I think we keep this up.

That's great. Imagine here's an idea for a podcast. Could you create a podcast with the intention of having no one listen? And what I mean is a podcast that has a genuine chance of people listening, trying to get no listens, fewer listens. Oh, okay. So like your perfect form, end game, will be the episode that no one downloads.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they have every reason to download it. So let me explain a little bit more. There's a book by Ben Elton years ago called Popcorn. Yes. And in it he has the premise that he's about, a person is about to televise a crime or something like that and they'll only, I can't remember if it was a murder

or a kidnapping or something like that. Yeah, I think they kidnap someone, don't they, and they threaten to kill them live. Yeah, and they're televising it. They say, I won't kill them if everyone stops watching. That's right, that's right, yeah. Yeah. Which is a bit like, it sounds like an episode of Black Mirror, doesn't it?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. So the idea is the person's life would be saved if everyone turned off their TV, but it plays to the voyeur side of the culture. So I'm trying to think about a podcast idea where it's someone famous or well-known podcast or something like that. Ah, yeah. But they're trying.

They say, okay, I want to release a podcast with the fewer listens or with the premise of I'm going to release four podcasts or five. I'm going to see how many podcasts I can release, episodes that when no one listens to it. And if one person downloads it and listens to it, ah, it's stuffed. And that's like an experiment. Does that make sense? And does that have any?

It makes sense. But my question is, what would the person be doing episode to episode in order to encourage the non-listenership? Like, will they be deliberately boring or deliberately offensive? Or what would you do to make your podcast unlistenable? What would you be doing as a sample to say, this is what my podcast is, so you better not download the next one because you're going to get more of this? That's the thing.

I think if you try and make it boring, that's a little bit too predictable. The most interesting thing is to say in the next episode, we're going to, I don't know, like interview Beyonce. And there's a genuine interview with Beyonce, but the whole purpose is that let's for no one to hear it. What's in it for the people? How are you incentivizing them to not listen? They get to be part of a great social experiment where they didn't spoil it.

Okay. Okay. Let me give you another example. Like for instance, when you have a minute silence at a large sporting event, you know, when there's a hundred thousand people in a stadium and no one makes a noise, but if one person makes a noise, then everyone's angry at them for it. You know what I mean? Because part of the high respect is that the fact that it's amazing to get 100,000 people to be perfectly still. Yeah.

That's the way the respect and the honour is shown and you don't want to be the one that breaks it. And I'm just wondering, is there another way you could do that with something like a podcast? I like it. If no one downloads this for one week or for two weeks, then I'll give five podcasts of Beyoncé. Okay, right. At the end of the week or something like that.

Yeah. I don't know why I thought of Beyoncé. I have no interest in listening to an interview with Beyonce particularly. You so would. You gave me another idea for a podcast, though. A minute silence. Oh, wow. Yeah.

At first, I was thinking it could just be literally a minute silence that you download onto your player when you want to have a moment of respect for someone. Yeah. But more interesting would be actual live field recordings of minute silences at sporting events and public events, because there's always ambient sound, isn't there? There is. There is. Even seagulls. So here's a minute silence from the football game at Wembley last night where England played Spain and they had a minute silence before the game for a former player who died. Here,

you can listen to the minute silence. It starts with the referee blowing the whistle and ends with the big cheer at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's premise in that. I think that's fascinating. I think that's interesting. More common now, though, it seems at sporting events, I'm sure it's happening in Australia too, is to have a minute's applause instead of silence. Oh, really? Yeah. So, they like, you know, as more of a celebration of the life rather than sort of a sombre, sad moment. They still do both, but quite often I'll see them say, let's have a minute's applause for so-and-so who led a great life and the crowd just claps for a minute. Oh, wow.

Okay. In some ways that's like, you know, not only is that putting a positive spin on it, it does remove the ability for idiots to yell out. Yeah. Because all an idiot can do during a minute's applause is say, oh, bugger that, I'm going to be silent for a minute. Doing both, a bit of both is powerful. So it is very powerful to see it done and to be a part of it. You could have someone on the ground going, okay, everyone on my left, I want you to be

silent for a minute. Everyone on my right, I want you to go crazy for a minute. It's starting to sound a little bit like a Queen Live Aid concert audience participation than it is really anything to do with honour and respect. Anyway, we ready for an idea from you? Oh, hell. The... Before we get to Tim's idea, and I know you can't wait for it,

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Okay. This idea is called bad DVD. It comes out of me being in a shop waiting for a person I was shopping with yesterday. And it's like a cheap as chips, which is a shop in, you'll probably know in Australia, where they sell stuff that's dirt cheap. And I'm sure they call it the $1 shop. Like a dime store or a pound shop and things like that. That's right. That's right.

There's a audio visual section, though, which is always of interest. And, of course, in any shop, I mean, I sort of wander over there to see what sort of DVDs and CDs there are. Looking through the CDs is kind of scary enough. Do people still sell CDs? Can you still buy CDs? There are. There are CDs. Do you remember when we bought a present for someone once from, and it was one of those $2 CDs of someone we'd never heard of, but it was actually someone

really great. Who was it? The music was actually fantastic, even though we bought it as a joke. Do you remember this? No, I don't remember. And we bought him like a pair of undies as well. What were we doing? It was just like a joke present for fun for his, I don't know, 18th or 21st or something. I don't know. It was just the band was that.

There's two of them, two African-American guys, and they sing together. Oh, it wasn't like Sam and Dave or something. Sam and Dave. Sam and Dave. I've got Ben and Jerry stuck in my head for some reason. Ben and Jerry. Yeah, it was. It was Sam and Dave.

Yeah, yeah. I remember now. Who were great. But, yeah, it was like a $2 CD, you know, like it was just we bought it for novelty fun and he pretended to be a massive Sam and Dave fan when he opened it up. I went to the DVD section, right, and they still have DVDs, and I'm like, who on earth is going to buy a DVD?

And then you go browsing through and there's films there that, of course, I've never heard of, even though they're made in the last few years. You're just like, what is this? What is that? And you look at stars that have once won Oscars that are just now making a film you know this is where certain actors just you know come into their own with b-grade films but i thought

one interesting thing would be to go to sort of close your eyes and pull out a dvd and then watch it and review it and talk about it as an obscure b-grade nothing film and you know see if there's something in it so i did it so i pulled out a film and it's got johnny cash in it and it's a film called the baron and the kid and it also has june carter cash in it it says nothing to lose everything to win and he's on the cover and we'll put this in the show notes obviously it's a pool like a snooker table yeah Yeah, the Baron and the Kid. And I'll read the back section, the blurb. It says, William the Baron Addington, Johnny Cash, is a pro whose lifetime boozing has cost him his career and family.

Determining to straighten out his life, he gave up drinking and now plays pool only for charity. Eventually, the Baron encounters Billy Joe, a brash young pool hustler with immense potential, and it goes on from there. So it's a TV movie by the looks of it. I'm looking at Rotten Tomatoes and things. You can't find it anywhere?

Yeah, I can. Yeah, I can. It hasn't got a Rotten Tomatoes score. It has an audience score of 86%, but that might be based on 75 users. But, I mean, that could still be Johnny Cash fans. That could be Johnny Cash himself. Back in the 80s. My fear is it's going to be a repeat of Sam and Dave and you end up,

you've picked some film that was nominated for five Oscars or something. That's right. Undiscovered Diamond called The Baron and the Kid. Its ratings that I'm finding seem to be quite middle of the road. It is a TV movie. Yeah. Have you watched it? Did you buy it?

No, no. Oh, you should have bought it. I took a photo of it and I took a photo of the back. Maybe I'll go back and buy it. Yeah, you need to watch it. Tell us what it's like. You'll probably end up liking it. Maybe I could.

I do love Johnny Cash I wonder if he wrote any original music for it Oh wow You'd think that'd be a condition of having Johnny Cash in your movie Like yeah okay you can act in the movie but only if you do a few songs Maybe the contract was ambiguous and it says we want Johnny Cash as long as he plays And Johnny Cash says plays pool not plays guitar Maybe it was a misprint in the contract

And Johnny Cash wanted to play guitar and he thought he had to play pool as well. We want you to play it cool and it says play pool. He's like, I can't play pool. I'm Johnny Cash. It wasn't until the rap party that everyone realised what a terrible mistake they'd all made. We should have got Paul Newman again.

What are we doing? Johnny Cash is like muttering under his breath, I can't believe they're not letting me play music. And like the director under his breath is muttering, I can't believe he's not playing music. It got me thinking about people who have done a terrible piece of work. I'm not saying this is a terrible piece of work, but it's obviously not his greatest work.

But it probably is but who whose legacy remains undiminished like johnny cash is like he you know he obviously has done a whole bunch of b-grade movies and yet he's remains a legend and you know did to his death and afterwards elvis presley's a bit the same he's elvis no matter how many mediocre songs he recorded and how many poor movies he was in. It's like it's undiminished. So breaking news here, man. I've got The Baron and the Kid, 1984, an hour and a half. So the full length film on YouTube. I'm watching it right now. So I saved myself $5 by not buying the DVD. it right now so i'd save myself five dollars by not buying the dvd and johnny cash just did a trick shot that seriously is the worst trick shot i've ever

seen to start the film and i could have done it it wasn't like the worst editing of a stunt snooker person playing it was uh he doesn't hold the cue like he doesn't look that comfortable with it he doesn't look like a bad the baron maybe he's the kid in the cue like, he doesn't look that comfortable with it. He doesn't look like the Baron. Maybe he's the kid in the movie. Like maybe he's playing like it. He's got no idea and he's learning the ropes. Seriously, this trick shot he does at the start is, no, it's all right. Actually, it's all right.

I still think I could have done it. I'm jumping forward in the movie now. $250. I didn't think those hands came with those work clothes. First one to eight games. In a film called The Baron and the Kid, where Johnny Cash plays the kid, imagine how old the Baron is. Like Johnny Cash has got a face that makes him look 140.

And imagine if he's the kid, how old the Baron would have to be. Now Billy Joe was busted, but he hadn't felt the sting. And from the far end of the table, he threw his mother's wedding ring. I think I found the kid. If this is who I think it is playing the kid, he looks a lot like the greatest American hero. That blonde, curly hair like that guy did. The back of it says his name's Greg Webb.

Okay. Usually when you're scrolling through something like this, you generally are hoping to see at least someone who went on to greatness or has come from great. I mean, you've got Johnny Cash, but you know what I mean? Like, usually you go along and go, oh, there's Liam Neeson playing the waitress or someone like that. Yeah, exactly, playing the guy behind the bar.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang on, who's this playing the girlfriend? You know, there's a women's division in this national tournament if you want to ride with us. Beamer's got plans for me. You're not interested? I'm very interested. It is not a women's tournament.

Looks like I found the kid's girlfriend. Tracy Pollan, who plays the love interest, looked familiar to me, and it turns out she was married to Michael J. Fox, so that the love interest, looked familiar to me. And it turns out she was married to Michael J. Fox. So, that's why I've recognized her probably. Yeah. In terms of your overall idea, man, you know, reviewing bad films, I mean, I think there's already a bit of a cottage industry of that. It sounds like something there'd be a lot of. So, I'm not sure you're like breaking new ground, but i'd love to do it like and i think you and i

would have fun doing it that's for sure it would be fun to do it and to prepare it in such a way that you explain the premise of the film and then you're able to mock it and tear it down all the way through providing it's not an undiscovered great film obviously but it's um yeah it could be a lot of fun the baron and the kid there was a whole lot of bad action movies as well you could do a whole it'd be a whole genre of yeah a whole stream of these on bad action movies i mean i think reviewing b grade movies is like an acknowledged like a you know a fun thing to do because it's so much fun and so funny i'd like to do a whole podcast just related to the baron and the kid now it says here that it's based on his song, The Baron. If I had known you longer, you might be a little stronger.

Maybe you'd shoot straighter than you do. Oh, a title track of a whole album. The game was never finished. The eight ball never fell. The Baron calmly picked it up and put it on the shelf. It was derided by pundits as a feeble attempt to follow in the footprint of Kenny Rogers' The Gambler, another movie based on a song, and rope in those same fans.

I'm going to the end to see if it ends with like a big game or something, but I'm near the end now and they are at a pool table, but there's like no one in the crowd. It's very hard to have a film based in a pool room that doesn't involve someone picking up a pool cue snapping it over their knee ready for a fight you know what i mean like it's this is about to be a weapon i want to know i want to watch it now is that bad do it man go away johnny cash looks very ill at ease over the table. He really does. Talking about pool and snooker, I was watching YouTube this week

and something came up about snooker and I thought, I wonder if there's any, like, amazing snooker shots on YouTube. And, of course, there are. There's gazillions of them. Have you been on YouTube before? I wonder if there's anything, like like a bit freaky and amazing on YouTube or is it all just banal, normal aspects of life? That wasn't a thought where I sort of sat back, rubbed my chin,

looking at the sky and then thought, well, let's have a look. It was just one of those. I imagine there are sort of thoughts, you know what I mean, in the midst of clicking. But it got me thinking about controversies. So I typed uh snooker controversy or something like that and it's hilarious to watch there was this this whole incident that played out over about 20 minutes which was phenomenal about and it was referred

to as the you know the great incident of 1981 in a snooker championship in england of course and they're there with their you know tuxedos and their waistcoats and all that sort of stuff. There was a situation where a guy called for a ball called green, and we could hear it, but the ref didn't hear it or the umpire or whatever the gentleman's called. So he said, oh, you didn't call a ball, and so he lost points. And the guy's like, I did, I did, I called it.

But it's all very passive and calm and respectful, you know, my dear sir, I think I did say that, Paul, you know, that sort of thing. And it's like, no, no, I didn't hear it. And then the opposition player, the ref turned to him, did you hear it? And the opposition player said, I didn't hear it, which I think was crap. And anyway, that guy got so upset he left the room.

Now you're weighing into the controversy there. That's right. I can't tell you how, like, and the commentator's going nuts, which is in the English commentating, you know, extremely calm nuts. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, this I've never. He broke his teacup over his knee. That's right.

But saying things like, well, in all my career, I've never seen a moment like this. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 26, Cliff Thorburn. 7, Ali Chiggins. And we heard Thorburn nominate the green, but the referee's decision is final. And keeping his voice totally even.

And after a while, the other guy comes back and announces something quietly and then they get on with the game. And it turns out the thing that he'd announced was he no longer was going to let the other guy, like, borrow one of his sticks. Yeah, like the extension. Extension. The rest. The rest, yeah.

Turns out Leslie has withdrawn his offer to lend his reaching cue to the other player, which is, of course, there are reaching cues all over. We just only seem to have one here tonight and it belongs to Leslie. Looks like it's going to stay that way. And so let's hope that, you know, Jonathan doesn't need to use. And this is some championship where they've only got one cue and he's decided you're not going to be able to use mine anymore. And this became the big controversy the night when a guy you know withdrew the rights

to it's like no you're not going to use mine you can find your own or do without there's a little feeling come into this which is terribly unfortunate uh there is the extension which alex has been barring because Alex has gone wrong. Why? Thorben says that the audience here did hear him nominate the green. Alex, in fact, says he didn't hear it. So Thorben has said from now on, you cannot use my extension. Oh, geez, it was hilarious to watch for how animated the words were, but totally calm in the delivery. And you could see how angry people were, but while maintaining total decorum through the

whole thing, it was fantastic. Thorburn looking a bit bemused as Higgins showed out. And that's the frame that I'm sure you'll read about in the late editions of your papers tomorrow. I tell you what is a good experience, man. Watching the Baron and the Kid while Tim tells secondhand snooker stories from the 80s. The final game between Johnny Cash and his rival ends in some really weird circumstances. I need to watch this with sound at some point.

This is quite the film. I think you may have stumbled over something pretty special here. Something that may have another life. You've just ruined my wife's night. Trust me, the odds of me being allowed to watch The Baron and The Kid tonight are, I mean, zero. There's not even odds. I do like Johnny Cash. Yeah. But he's done better work than this, I'm sure. I'm not judging until I've watched it. So there's something there in the audience, not just of reviewing bad movies, that's something you could do, but, you know,

going in and plucking one out and going, what's going on with this? But the other interesting that came to mind is, like, the worst piece of work by someone great, something that you can't believe they did, but they managed to get over it. Their misstep. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I mean, for me, that's probably the Unmade podcast.

He was doing so well and then he did that thing with Tim. Will your career recover? I feel safe saying that because there's every chance this will be our zero download episode. Like if you were Kevin Costner. I like the start of this analogy. Continue from if you were Kevin Costner. If you were Kevin Costner, this is not your water world. This is your The Postman.

That's not true, man. You are my field of dreams. Oh, man. Man. I always thought I was your bodyguard or you're my bodyguard you're my whitney you're whitney what do you think of the film the bodyguard i actually hadn't seen it for a long time and so i actually watched it a few months ago but then last night funnily enough it was just on i really liked it at the time it's not great movie. But then they don't end up together, do they? And he's just like, you know, it ends with him just guarding someone else, doesn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or are they together and that's just him doing his other job? I can't, I don't remember. No, no, no, because it's all based around the song, remember? Like, if I stay, I'll only be in the way, so I'll go. But he could go and bodyguard for other people and his wife just happens to be Whitney Houston. Like that's who he goes home to. He could do that, yeah.

But it's kind of like they base it around the song. The ending feels that way anyway. They should have a little thing at the start of the film with a black screen and white text based on an actual song. Do you know I was reading the biography of Clive Davis, who's an amazing record producer, probably one of the greatest of all time. He sort of found and developed Whitney Houston amongst a whole range

of other people. And he was saying when it came to the Bodyguard soundtrack and they were doing that song, I Will Always Love You and all the rest of it, he said, funnily enough, of all people, it was Kevin Costner's idea for the song to start just with her voice like acapella like it they had the song all sort of cut with music and everything and he says no no no i've always heard it just her voice for the first verse and he was like that's a that's a daring idea nothing on the radio just starts with a voice

for the first 30 seconds so i'll go but i know but they cut it and they all got chills and went with it. And so Kevin Costner, of all people, was the musical inspiration for doing that. So like, what's your next idea? Oh, let's make a video about the world covered in water. You should have stopped at the Whitney Houston idea, man. Just stopped at the Whitney Houston idea, man. Should we do like a little news spot? Because a favourite person of ours from the 90s has died. Luke Perry.

This is sad. Yeah. We were big Beverly Hills 90210 fans when we were at high school. I think one of the things that made it so sink for us was that we were the same age so we were going through our years at school at the same time we were the same age as the people they were portraying not the people themselves but no no no obviously the actors were all a decade or two older than the characters but but also i mean you and i at that age bore very striking physical similarities to jason priestly and luke perry as well this is true this is true the girls at our school didn't realize it at the time but

people often commented on luke perry's sort of you know james dean tim heim kind of pastiche that he had going on no so we were the class of 93 as well so it was um yeah just felt just about right yeah we graduated together in many ways yes i had the graduation episode of 90210 on vhs for years afterwards and i know you had many episodes as well on vhs next sunday in a special two-hour episode the day they've all been waiting for the biggest event of their lives and the end of four unforgettable years. We've been through a lot together. You really are my best friend. Well, I hope I always will be.

It will be a day of farewells. But one thing that always struck me, and it kind of annoyed me in retrospect, was there's a scene in the senior breakfast, right? When all the seniors get together on their last day of school to have breakfast together. And they have a show that's put on. But then they put on a video and they show clips of the year like, hey, remember when we did this? And hey, remember when we did this, that and all the rest? Yeah. And the funny thing, of course, is all the clips are firstly in a school with hundreds of people and probably, you know, like 150 people graduating.

All the clips were just about the sort of six main characters that we follow and know and love. Yeah. But also the footage of those moments was like episodes of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Like professionally filmed at places where there were no cameras. That's right.

That's right. So it wasn't like it was like home videos and things. It was like. Like in one of them was when they went skydiving so it's actually footage of a plane like from another plane and then a close-up of them at the door going hey are we gonna jump out now or not like brenda and kelly and then finally they fall out it's like who the hell's great with great sound that was recorded retrospectively, yeah. It's actually, it was more like, here are some memories of when we were in a TV show

called Beverly Hills 90210 and in that episode we went skydiving. 90210 graduation day. The memories that we have shared will not go away. The thing that stuck in my core a bit about your observation there though as, as well, was like, fair enough, you know, they're there at their graduation breakfast and there's hundreds of them who are all graduating and they're showing these videos and the videos are all of these same

six people time after time after time. Like, okay, I kind of have to accept that because it's a TV show and we watch it for those six characters. But like, they cut to all the other people in the class watching and they're all laughing and applauding and having the time of their lives as well as their whole, like, high school experience is being just completely overlooked for these six people. Like, it's like you'd think they'd just be going,

oh, bugger this and just leave. I'm not watching another video about Brandon and Dylan. That's right. Maybe they were just so excited to be going to school with Luke Perry and with Jason Priestley. Well, as a tribute to Luke Perry, do you want to give us your kind of review or praise of his performance in Beverly Hills 90210?

Do you think he, you know, was it a good piece of work he left us with? I always thought he was the coolest guy. I thought he was the coolest guy. And he was, in his own words, mad, bad, dangerous to know. Dylan had to go through some, I mean, phenomenal atrocities. Firstly, he lived in a hotel, which was pretty cool. But then he had, you know, he struggled with alcoholism. And then his father was around but not around.

And his mum was around but not around. Is that right? They seemed to be lovely people, but they'd messed up his life totally. Well, didn't he have three or four different fathers? He did. Because different actors kept playing his father in different things. I remember his dad blew up in that car exploded. Oh, yeah.

But then he inherited all this money, like millions of dollars and stuff. There was an extent and it was like a joke that people would satirise about the show, was that he kind of seemed too old for the part more than some of the others. Oh, he was. Maybe because of his wrinkly forehead, I don't know. But, like, there was the joke. Look, I'm not saying he's that old, but if Johnny Cash is playing the kid,

Luke Perry could have played the baron i always found it interesting that dylan ended up choosing to have kelly as his girlfriend over brenda you held a candle for brenda i know that and they basically said you have to choose between us and i always feel like he made a very impulsive decision in the swimming pool to choose kelly he did that's right there was this who will he choose and then she jumps in the swimming pool to choose Kelly. That's right. There was this, who will he choose? And then she jumps in the swimming pool looking all lovely. And then he wants to give her a little kiss. And she says, no, not until you choose. And he says, I choose you.

That's right. That's right. I feel like. Yeah. And she even says to him at that point, if memory serves, like, if Brenda had come tonight, would you have chosen her? And he goes maybe like and he gets away with that stuff that's right tell him what if brenda had come tonight

she didn't so is that how you made up your mind she's not here maybe and kelly's just like well lucky I came. I got him. It's like, wow, you're not testing the fidelity or the integrity of this guy very deeply. You asked me to choose. I choose you. What do you think Dylan, the character, did when he grew up and left school? What job do you think he was destined to do or life he was going to lead? Oh, I can't see him working.

Like just surfing and lounging around not even surfing just driving back from having been surfing kind of was the thing that he did with the top down just cruising up yeah i've just been for surf you know like that's it he's the kind of guy that would have a surfboard bolted to the top of his car that's right didn't he have that surfboard bolted to the top of his car. That's right. Didn't he have that surfboard in his apartment in the show that was just always in the same place? I was thinking about that because I was looking at surfboards recently because I learned to surf recently. And so I was looking at a surfboard and I remember thinking, this is just going to be dirty all the time. Like, it's got to go in the shed, right?

And then I was thinking, hang on dylan had one in his apartment like that wouldn't work he's either cleaning that thing down every time and putting it there behind the sofa or that one's a prop and he's surfing on some other one that's covered in sand outside it's just there to impress the ladies that's right like having a guitar i haven't learned to surf but i've recently been practicing to learn how to drive home from surfing. You can lease surfboards, man, if you just want to drive home once a week. Yeah. I'll ask for one that's completely hollow so it's easier to carry.

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Did you ever see any of his other work, his post-90210 work? That last show he was in, the one that's based on Archie Riverdale I've seen a lot of his work in that because my wife quite likes that show so although I don't watch it myself I very often I'll be in the lounge while she's watching it so I've seen probably 10 to 20 episodes of that and he he had a big role in that show so I have seen him in that was he playing someone more age appropriate to his fard? Yeah, he was the dad.

Oh, right. I think he was one dad and I think Skeet Ehrlich was another dad. So all these like teen idols were all playing the dads of these people. And I think there was a joke. They were like, you know, all the, the yummy daddies, you know, they were all these good looking blokes playing the dads, but he was playing a more age appropriate role. Yeah. Was he good? Or was he kind of, was he kind of like an older Dylan or the same dylan or was he he was kind of like an older dylan but he was he was solid he was solid he didn't look out of place he was acting fine he wasn't embarrassing he was good he was just you know you know he's not going to win the awards well he wasn't going to win the awards but he also you know it was just good solid work it was fine yeah i did go back and watch some early episodes of 90210 after he died just for like a bit of a nostalgia hit.

Oh, yeah. Gosh, they were bad. They were so bad. Yeah, I've watched a few. I didn't watch the later episodes when maybe the show got better, but I was watching like, you know, first 10 to 20 episodes that period. And I was like, God, this is unwatchable. Unwatchable. As I watched it all.

That's right. And went to the mirror, restyled your hair. I was amazed by the elaborate masterpieces that were the guy's haircuts in that show. They did look cool. Whoever had the job of doing Jason Priestley and Luke Perry's hair, that must have taken two hours before each show. Yeah, Luke Perry, look, he had the sort of more James Deeny kind of wavy back. Jason Priestley's, though, was phenomenal.

I mean, it was like a wall and it was sculpted. Yeah, but there were intricacies too. I recently stayed in this amazing hotel made out of ice that they get all these sculptors to come in and sculpt these incredible structures. And they're so beautiful and intricate. And I swear they were nothing compared on looking at Jason Priestley's hair in 90210. The detail, the nuance, the work and creativity that must have gone into creating his hair. Incredible. There should be an episode in your series on the great things. The work and creativity that must have gone into creating his hair. Like, incredible.

There should be an episode in your series on the great things. Surely Jason Priestley's hair would feature alongside the Great Wall of China and the Great Gatsby. Oh, the Great Wall of China. I can't believe we didn't do the Great Wall of China. What an obvious miss. Because in the pilot, remember, he had a different haircut. He had long hair in the pilot episode. And then they re-sculpted it for episode two onwards.

He really pioneered a look that I'd rarely seen up to that point of wearing a T-shirt with the sleeves rolled up. Yeah. Like, isn't the point of a T-shirt that you don't have to roll up the sleeves because it's already short? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it looked cool. The difficult thing when we went to imitate that,

or at least when I did, my arms were a little more scrawny than his at the time. I'm not sure the effect was quite as. Yeah, it looked more like one of those little pots with just one toothpick left in it. That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

And tucked into the jeans and the big belt. Yeah, those were the days. Anyway, anyway. Well, Tim, I think it will only be appropriate that we end this episode with one minute of silence for Luke Perry, who gave us a lot of entertainment and joy through our high school years. So let's end the show like that. One minute silence for Luke Perry. Thank you. It's just me.